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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Phil Mrakov on May 22, 2014, 09:06:43 AM
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It's a question that needs to be addressed
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Won't make any difference .
We need a coach that the players will play for....it can turn around pretty quickly .
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DeaMatt. Darrou. Bachelor.
McIntosh. RanceAlex. Grimes.
Martin. Miles. Vlastuin.
Ohanlon. Mcbean. Lennon.
Deledio. Elton. Cotchin.
Griffith. Conca. Arnot.
Helbig. Riewoldt. Lloyd. Gordon.
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option 2 we need the cattle
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Just make sure everyone is right to go for day 1 pre-season. If that results in wins or losses who gives a stuff.
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Club needs a winning culture. If we pull a Melbourne we will have players on low moral who will either jump ship or become Jack Watts. It sucks immensely to finish just outside the 8 but I felt 2012 was our best year because the team had a better on field attitude (beat Hawthorn and Sydney and didn't get spanked by North Melb).
Would rather see the team go down fighting and playing honest football on any given day.
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Club needs a winning culture. If we pull a Melbourne we will have players on low moral who will either jump ship or become Jack Watts. It sucks immensely to finish just outside the 8 but I felt 2012 was our best year because the team had a better on field attitude (beat Hawthorn and Sydney and didn't get spanked by North Melb).
Would rather see the team go down fighting and playing honest football on any given day.
No doubt. But getting players 100% fit for a real crack next year will also be important. Why play players injured and then have surgery after the season and miss pre-season? What's the point of that?
Doing a Melbourne and playing your ruck as a small defender, a medium forward as a ruck etc is what got them in that mess.
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Need to start thinking about 2015. Just think of what we could do next year with a gun top 5 pick that's ready to go in Round 1 :drool:
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Club needs a winning culture. If we pull a Melbourne we will have players on low moral who will either jump ship or become Jack Watts. It sucks immensely to finish just outside the 8 but I felt 2012 was our best year because the team had a better on field attitude (beat Hawthorn and Sydney and didn't get spanked by North Melb).
Would rather see the team go down fighting and playing honest football on any given day.
yep great winning culture last year. Win 15 games then lose to 9th
we need a culture first then worry about winning. They can start by getting Balme and rex down there.
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Need to start thinking about 2015. Just think of what we could do next year with a gun top 5 pick that's ready to go in Round 1 :drool:
If we've still got the likes of Chaplin, Hampson and Grigg out there it won't make any difference.
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I'd say play all the kids. Results will fall accordingly.
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I'd say play all the kids. Results will fall accordingly.
x2 :clapping
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I'd say play all the kids. Results will fall accordingly.
x2 :clapping
x 3 :clapping
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Yep play the kids.
:thumbsup
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LMAO@ The prerequisite for option number one - "START WINNING"
FRALMFAFOoOoOoOfffff
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Yep play the kids.
:thumbsup
What kids?
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17th please. that should get us sam durdin. knowing our luck it wont be enough.
we are not a chance in hell of making finals, thigs are so poor we could well get rolled this week wont that set the hounds loose.
play as many kids as possible while maintaining good structure and experience. if we win games doing this so be it if we lose come on down sam durdin hopefully.
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Does anyone know if there are any draft concessions this year which would affect the top 10? Or is it straight 18th = Pick 1, 17th = Pick 2 etc etc?
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Dont tank til round 14 or 16, then put everyone who needs it under the knife and the others in cotton wool. Once you decide to tank play the old fellers your going to retire like King and Newman, kids you want to check out, McDonut and players you want to trade like Hampson. I think we all know this season is over but dont pull the plug early it looks bad and is bad for moral.
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Nothing wrong with a strong ninth finish
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Sorry guys cant buy tanking or losing to get high draft picks,at all.Maybe its this sort of philosophy that contributes to a culture of mediocrity.In my opinion you try and win every game,you fight until the end.Thats what I want to see for the rest of the season
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lol at the guys wanting to win. accepting mediocrity
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lol at the guys wanting to win. accepting mediocrity
If we play the oldest 22 we can still come 8th
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lol at the guys wanting to win. accepting mediocrity
If we play the oldest 22 we can still come 8th
Sure we can
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What's the point of getting an awesome pick when we continually stuff up
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What's the point of getting an awesome pick when we continually stuff up
in fairness our recent top 5 picks have been pretty good. than again its become pretty hard to stuff up top 5 picks nowdays.
04 nd1 deledio, 07 nd 2 cotchin, 09 nd 3 martin.
its when we go past this point that we seem to have trouble lol. perhaps we need to ensure we get a top 3 pick just to ensure we get a quality player.
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We'll probably do a left field again and get a Conca type who would go in the mid teens. Blair Hartley is a miracle worker !
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We can't afford to finish that low. Our currently players need to learn to win together again. The pick will take care of itself. I used to be one to hang my hat on early picks but in the end teams like Collingwood, Sydney etc show us it really doesn't matter in the end. Its all about development and culture.
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The way things are going things will take care of themselves.
What pick does 3rd last land you this year?
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Learn to win, what utter udder.
The problem is with the 6th to 22nd selected, they are just not fit enough, hungry enough or good enough.
The best 22 team selected thusfar is simply not good enough to win on a consistent basis, and none of the younger talent is forcing the selection issue from the VFL (apart from Miles).
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We can't afford to finish that low. Our currently players need to learn to win together again. The pick will take care of itself. I used to be one to hang my hat on early picks but in the end teams like Collingwood, Sydney etc show us it really doesn't matter in the end. Its all about development and culture.
you still dont get it. they arent capable or good enough to win.we havent gone backwards that much. players reached their potential in some cases they played out of their skins there is no more upside to em. also most other sides have improved while we stagnate and dont have the ability to improve..
im not sure what part of middling people dont understand. middling implys we cant get near up and going top sides. it means there are a shedload of teams in a similar place which makes most games at least 50/50 and it means bottom sides are in with some sort of sniff if we are not close to our best.
stripes you keep on hanging your hat and hopes on 2013 and making finals. making finals is not some sort of panacea its a place where an awful lot of middling sides finish every yr, go ask ess or nm or even melb from 6 yras ago. go ask wce what middling means.
the only thing that determines how good your team is and what it is capable of is your list its overall depth and its overall quality.
our list is middling to bottom 4. it truly lacks depth in most areas and it lacks quality in most areas. to top it off there are few quality kids coming thru. thing is it is capable of making finals if everything falls our way you only need look at 2013.
as for picks the only picks that rabble can get right or spot on is top 3 picks. if a low finish bottom 3 is what it takes to get quality into our list so be it. we can afford to finish bottom 3 in fact it would be smart to go down that path.
the path is play as many of the younger blokes as possible. put a line thru players now who wont be there come seasons end and dont play em. try and keep structure and enough experience around the younger blokes so we remain competetive dont cop hidings. if we win games doing this so be it.
if you think we cant do with the best possible picks with the way our recruiting is you are well and truly kidding yourself. in two or 3 drafts we could get the list to where it is a genuine consistent finals list that should be the aim.
but first we have to get our heads out of our arses stop overrating everything and do some hard yards and make some hard decisions.
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TANK TIME!
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Put a tank in your tiger....
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TANK TIME!
DEVELOPMENT TIME. Big difference.
chaplin, a edwards s edwards, foley, gordon, lloyd, grigg, houli, jackson, king, knights, maric, newman, petterd, riewoldt, stephenson, hampson, thomas, vickery, rance, banfield, cotchin deledio
thats our most experienced 23 24 players give or take 4 or 5 you would not miss the rest if they walked tomorrow.
ffs play the younger blokes find out who can play send the rest packing with the myriad of players listed above.
let me ask how many games are we going to win those mentioned above.and if we win with them how sustainable is it. we dont have quality matureplayers and with out doubt we are better off at the least trying to find better than most of them named.
the sad part is most of those mentioned have been better than a lot of players we have cut emphasising just how far back we have come from.
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seasons over tank is the only option for us now.
Claw is spot on we cant get a root in a brothel but we surely couldn't screw up a top selection.
or lets continue with the winning culture that won us 15 games only to get embarrassed by the blues.