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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says Jack Riewoldt let his teammates down with criticism of Tigers game plan
Herald-Sun
May 22, 2014 10:56AM
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has refused to guarantee Jack Riewoldt a spot in the side to play Greater Western Sydney in Saturday’s crunch game, saying the forward “let down” the Richmond family with his critical comments about the team’s game plan.
Riewoldt said on Wednesday that the Tigers had tried — and failed — to replicate premier Hawthorn’s game plan during the off-season.
“Unfortunately we went one way with our game, and the game went the other way, really,” Riewoldt said.
Hardwick hit back this morning, criticising Riewoldt for going “outside the boundaries” of the club.
The coach said he had spoken to Riewoldt on Thursday morning and would do so again later in the afternoon.
He didn’t rule out further action and said the club’s leadership group would be consulted.
“Obviously we were pretty disappointed with his comments,” Hardwick said.
“We caught up with him this morning and removed his foot from his mouth and my foot from his arse.
“We’re disappointed, those comments don’t help. He probably was stumbling along and kept getting himself deeper and deeper in to trouble.”
The Tigers have endured a week of harsh criticism after last weekend’s loss to Melbourne left them stranded in 16th position on the ladder with a 2-6 record.
Here’s the rest of what Hardwick had to say about Riewoldt.
QUESTION: Was there some meaning behind his comments, is he confused about the game plan?
DAMIEN HARDWICK: Our last year’s game plan we’ve pretty much got the same, we’ve also polished a few things up — whether they’ve worked or not is a reflection of our form at the moment. Jack understands what he said and probably by his own admission would say ‘listen, I buggered that one up’. We’ll just work our way through it and move on.
Q: What disappointed you most about those comments?
DH: We sit here and we talk about being a united footy club and Jack went outside those boundaries. At the end of the day we are what we are, we’re a family, we work hard, we make sure we stay within these four walls and we get our game up and going. The disappointing thing for Jack is that he went outside those boundaries and unfortunately he’s learned a harsh lesson from that.
Q: What did he say to you?
DH: He’s upset, obviously If there’s one guy I know is going to play for me it’s Jack Riewoldt. I expressed how he let our family down really. He was remorseful, he’ll move on, he’ll get better.
Q: Is his place in the side in jeopardy this week?
DH: We’ve got match committee this afternoon. His form has been OK. Whether we take any of this in to account we’ll see this afternoon.
Q: Have you tried to take elements of Hawthorn’s game plan in to your own this season?
DH: If we are we’re not doing it overly well are we? Our game plan is our game plan, it’s been the same for about three to four years and we have subtle changes with that. From our point of view some things have worked and some things haven’t. We constantly reassess, but the overall philosophy stays the same.
Q: What do you think Jack meant when he said the club’s game plan had gone this way and the competition had gone the other?
DH: That’s the baffling question. I’m not too sure about that.
Q: Did he try to explain what he meant?
DH: I’m don’t think he actually knew what he was saying. That’s the thing, it was one of those interviews where he just constantly got himself in deeper trouble. He is remorseful, he’s thought about it and he doesn’t actually know why he said it, what he said, so we take it for what it is.
Q: Will there be some form of discipline?
DH: We’ll work our way through that this afternoon. Like anything, with every action comes an equal and opposition reaction. We’ll work our way through that. We obviously have some standards that we abide by here and he went outside those.
Q: Will the leadership group be involved?
DH: Yes, of course.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-jack-riewoldt-let-his-teammates-down-with-criticism-of-tigers-game-plan/story-fndv8t7m-1226926717064
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If jack gets dropped for being the only stuffing honest one at the whole club I'll lose it.
What he said was obviously true and Hardwick is too stubborn to admit it.
He wanted jack to say, 'look we will get better'. Eventually the players are going to share their frustration and say what is true, which is we failed to replicate hawthorns game plan this year.
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Good on Jack, i say. Much better than the KPI horse poo you offer us Dimma.
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Jack becoming disgruntled..... trade for Cameron or Patton.
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Hmmmm
Family? Aren't we the members partof the Richmond Family?
If you can't be honest with your family then who can you be honest with?
Obviously no one :-\
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Jack becoming disgruntled..... trade for Cameron or Patton.
or Fyfe
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DAMIEN HARDWICK: Our last year’s game plan we’ve pretty much got the same, we’ve also polished a few things up — whether they’ve worked or not is a reflection of our form at the moment.
In my humble opinion nothing could be more unbelievable than this answer. Saying we have pretty much the same game plan (just polished) :o :o :o and that our current form may or may not be a reflection of the success or otherwise of said polishing is probably the single biggest slice of tripe I have heard from Dimma's mouth this season. And that includes such howlers as saying we are playing better than last year! WTF? :huh :huh :huh Our game plan so far this season is soooooo far removed from or unidentifiable to that of 2013 that it's like comparing rugby to soccer.
Talk about heads in the sand - I reckon they have them shoved so far up their own anal cavities at present that they will need a block and tackle to see daylight again.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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At least we know now that the club is genuinely not united and is a rabble. Dimma will be gone by the end of 2015
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Q: Will there be some form of discipline?
DH: We’ll work our way through that this afternoon. Like anything, with every action comes an equal and opposition reaction. We’ll work our way through that. We obviously have some standards that we abide by here and he went outside those.
But this is the problem Dimma. You claim we have standards (that's a laugh this year) and Jack went outside them and should be disciplined even dropped yet onfield we have the same players continually show poor standards, ill-discipline and go outside the boundaries of the fundamentals of footy yet they receive no discipline such as being dropped.
Furthermore, you yourself Dimma have made contradictory and quite frankly ridiculous public statements as have others from the Club this year treating us members and supporters (ie. the family) as mugs. Claiming we were better than last year when we clearly aren't and using injuries to three players as an excuse for losing to the Dogs and struggling to get over bottom side Brisbane when even with Lids and Rance back in the side we can't even beat a Melbourne side missing two key forwards and their full back.
Q: Will the leadership group be involved?
DH: Yes, of course.
So Chaplin who has shown no onfield leadership this year is going to judge Jack :facepalm.
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Thought Hardwick looked the goods back in 2010, maybe he and his predeccessors actually were all good coaches but we just Richmondise them like we do players.
Perhaps he should start coaching from the boundary again - air's obviously too thin way up in the box.
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I'd say it's pretty obvious what Jack meant when he said our game plan's gone one way and the competition went the other. Richmond under Hardwick has always tried to play a positive, free flowing, high scoring style of game. Last year it worked pretty well, except against teams that were adept at bottling us up with extra numbers around the ball -like Fremantle and Nth. Melbourne. Unfortunately more clubs have started copying the Freo style this season (Melbourne with Paul Roos, the Bulldogs, Collingwood, whose more open style last year didn't yield their desired results.) So as he says the game is becoming more and more about constriction, and we are not coping well with it. Unfortunately the only way to beat these sides is to play ugly too and beat them at their own game. But we are just playing hapless and confused.
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If Jack gets dropped I will lose my poo and probably my entire colon and GI tract. The team has been crap. The delivery i50 has been crap. No one blocks for the captain and there are way too many passengers. Although Jack may've broken some code about being upfront to the media, it was refreshing for Jack to say the team is stuffed and I think it's the game plan. It's certainly more sincere than the constant "we're a good side capable of very good footy, we just have to regain some form"
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No gameplan will succeed with the current RFC list as the top 5 is ok, but the rest are not fit enough, hungry enough or good enough.
Move the duds along (including a coaching panel refresh) and set a high standard rather than make pitiful excuses for poor fitness, absence of desire and continual non-performance.
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It wont suprise me the way things a going Jack ask's for trade I cant see him ending hi career at us you can see he's not happy.As people said atleast his honest Dimma and his crew got this preseason wrong bigtime changing the game plan and recruitment etc.Why change the gameplan when we just finished out of the top 4 last year ??? if anything we just needed to fine tune a few things.
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And it's Terrific, just terrific TM to see we are currently the main news on all news websites with the "threat" to drop Jack :clapping
It wont suprise me the way things a going Jack ask's for trade I cant see him ending hi career at us you can see he's not happy.As people said atleast his honest Dimma and his crew got this preseason wrong bigtime changing the game plan and recruitment etc.Why change the gameplan when we just finished out of the top 4 last year ??? if anything we just needed to fine tune a few things.
Jack won't leave, he loves the club. He is actually the one player that you can tell loves this club like supporters do. Just need to chat with him for 5 minutes and you tell. ;)
No doubt he is peeved at the moment but it is IMV because of how we are playing and our results not because he wants out.
As for Chaplijn as part of the leadership group having any sort of say in what happens to Jack, well that would go down as the most farcical event of season 2014 at the RFC
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At the moment our football department is a mess.No idea to many exuses and not enough action.We lack football brains bigtime and a clear direction.Gale is silent President is silent.Cant understand how we have a premiership coach with us and a coach who played finals most years in Choco and his not Dimmas right hand man.
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Am I missing something here? Personally I would be more distressed if we didn't try to learn something about game plans from the reigning premiers & try to copy them! They are the reigning premiers for a reason. Should we try to copy Brisbane instead?
Naturally we can't be Hawthorn at this stage, but if we don't attempt to be like the best we can only ever be something less than that. If you don't even try to do the most difficult (& the most skillful) things in the game you will never achieve them. Narrowing yourself down to what is achievable is playing safe. That, Jack, would be the greatest failure of them all. Expecting us to play in an achievable style IS accepting mediocrity.
Hardwick is absolutely right to rapidly & repeatedly insert his foot up Jack's arse! (I think Jack knows it too, he just stuffed up tragically in an interview with people who love a headline).
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says Jack Riewoldt let his teammates down with criticism of Tigers game plan
Herald-Sun
May 22, 2014 10:56AM
DAMIEN HARDWICK: Our last year’s game plan we’ve pretty much got the same, we’ve also POLISHED a few things up — whether they’ve worked or not is a reflection of our form at the moment. Jack understands what he said and probably by his own admission would say ‘listen, I buggered that one up’. We’ll just work our way through it and move on.
The only thing that he's polishing are the mediocre turds in this side - Grigg, pet-TURD, hampson & edwards.
Even Griggs head is starting to shine it's been polished so much! :banghead
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Am I missing something here? Personally I would be more distressed if we didn't try to learn something about game plans from the reigning premiers & try to copy them! They are the reigning premiers for a reason. Should we try to copy Brisbane instead?
Naturally we can't be Hawthorn at this stage, but if we don't attempt to be like the best we can only ever be something less than that. If you don't even try to do the most difficult (& the most skillful) things in the game you will never achieve them. Narrowing yourself down to what is achievable is playing safe. That, Jack, would be the greatest failure of them all. Expecting us to play in an achievable style IS accepting mediocrity.
Hardwick is absolutely right to rapidly & repeatedly insert his foot up Jack's arse! (I think Jack knows it too, he just stuffed up tragically in an interview with people who love a headline).
You don't religiously follow a game plan that requires high skill level whilst constantly recruiting mediocre skilled players. You play to the strengths of your playing list. Hardwick is stupid. Sack the BUM.
Finally someone from within the club came out and told the truth. If you want to put a boot up someones arse, should have been Edwards, Grigg, Vickery and Co out the door.
Love what KB said at Hafey's eulogy that a coach would never get an extension back in the day for finishing 7th. What a joke!
Unfortunately, even now, Hardwick hasn't recognize he is steering the titanic into an iceberg. No matter how good the ship is, this terrible coach with his handpicked crew of recycled rejects is sinking fast.
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Think now more than ever we need to win a couple of games, not for our ladder position but solely to take some media focus off the club. It's just one comment being analysed after the next, foot in mouth disease is rampant, win a game or two and the blowtorch is turned down and the club can go back to attempting to fix the problems we have behind closed doors.
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Q: Will there be some form of discipline?
DH: We’ll work our way through that this afternoon. Like anything, with every action comes an equal and opposition reaction. We’ll work our way through that. We obviously have some standards that we abide by here and he went outside those.
But this is the problem Dimma. You claim we have standards (that's a laugh this year) and Jack went outside them and should be disciplined even dropped yet onfield we have the same players continually show poor standards, ill-discipline and go outside the boundaries of the fundamentals of footy yet they receive no discipline such as being dropped.
Furthermore, you yourself Dimma have made contradictory and quite frankly ridiculous public statements as have others from the Club this year treating us members and supporters (ie. the family) as mugs. Claiming we were better than last year when we clearly aren't and using injuries to three players as an excuse for losing to the Dogs and struggling to get over bottom side Brisbane when even with Lids and Rance back in the side we can't even beat a Melbourne side missing two key forwards and their full back.
Q: Will the leadership group be involved?
DH: Yes, of course.
So Chaplin who has shown no onfield leadership this year is going to judge Jack :facepalm.
Totally agree. Hardwick's failure to drop players who have performed consistently poorly has set the standards and as has his failure to accept responsibility for the losses. Constantly making excuses sets a bad example. I actually felt sorry for Lids saying we were still a chance for the finals after the loss on Saturday. You could see he was forced to peddle club line without truly believing it
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It's amazing how clubs implode when they have a string of losses (except the doggies who seem content with surviving)
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I agree with MT about dropping him for the same thing his babies do consistently on the field being hypocritical.
Also, this makes what Jack said all the more credible.
"Our last year’s game plan we’ve pretty much got the same, we’ve also polished a few things up — whether they’ve worked or not is a reflection of our form at the moment."
Need he be reminded one cannot polish a turd?
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besides, Dimmer wouldn't/Doesn't have the balls to drop him
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Jack has apologised on twitter tonight.
JR8 @JackRiewoldt08 twitter:
"Poor choice of words by me yesterday and poor timing. I've copped my right whack and moved on, can't wait to play this weekend #gotiges"
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:P
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And it's Terrific, just terrific TM to see we are currently the main news on all news websites with the "threat" to drop Jack :clapping
It wont suprise me the way things a going Jack ask's for trade I cant see him ending hi career at us you can see he's not happy.As people said atleast his honest Dimma and his crew got this preseason wrong bigtime changing the game plan and recruitment etc.Why change the gameplan when we just finished out of the top 4 last year ??? if anything we just needed to fine tune a few things.
Jack won't leave, he loves the club. He is actually the one player that you can tell loves this club like supporters do. Just need to chat with him for 5 minutes and you tell. ;)
No doubt he is peeved at the moment but it is IMV because of how we are playing and our results not because he wants out.
As for Chaplijn as part of the leadership group having any sort of say in what happens to Jack, well that would go down as the most farcical event of season 2014 at the RFC
I used to think Jack would never leave but I'm not so sure right now. Love can only take so many hits and the thought of playing out his career at a club with NFI is something Jack will have to decide.
The RFC and mostly Dimma has hurt everything about Jacks game over the last 3 years. They have taken the personality right out of him and every bit of confidence he used to get from it.
Jack is a very proud man and he is quite smart when it comes to footy and he will work out soon that if he ever wants to play in a grand final he will need to find a new love.
Richo unfortunately wasn't that smart. Poor bugger....
And what's worse, I wouldn't even be angry if any of our young stars decide to move on after seeing the same sh$t happen year after year.
Money is great but when your career is over you don't remember the money, you remember your successes.
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Nah very confident Jack will be at the club his entire career
Not so sure that Dimma will be his coach ;D
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The media throng was waiting at the northern entrance to Punt Rd Oval for Jack to drive out, so Jack skipped out the southern end and caught the train home from Richmond station :lol.
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LMAO at the same posters blowing smoke up Jacks arse after bagging him for years
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Dimma you have let me down.
The mantra you rode in on in 2010 is now defunct and replaced with a dogma that is as aboninable as the last 32 years at Punt Rd.
It's easy to be a hard nut on the ground when there are 17 other blokes on the ground but when the truth comes out you are just a small boy playing against men.
Dimma you have failed. It took 97 games but here it is.
From ridiculous team selections to inability of game plans.
From pi$$ing down our backs and calling it water to all the other spin and crap.
Good on Jack for calling it how it is. Noone else is has the gonads to do so.
This club has failed me and every other member.
No more FTF for me and extra donations.
Just my membership and that's it.
Club has lied to me for the last time.
Same spin same crap same results same failure.
The faces change the results don't.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop.
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Jack catching the train ...
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=646465
LOOSE-LIPPED Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt has gone to extraordinary lengths to escape a waiting media throng at Punt Road oval by jumping a construction fence at the club.
The dual Coleman medallist publicly criticised the team's game plan on Wednesday, saying it had tried, and failed, to replicate that of reigning premiers Hawthorn
The comments were met with disappointment from coach Damien Hardwick who said he had let the club down.
Several hours after training had finished, the 25-year-old scaled the fence surrounding Punt Road oval, jumped over and sprinted across Punt Road toward Richmond train station with several cameras and journalists in hot pursuit.
Instead of taking the direct route up Stewart Street, Riewoldt took the back streets to throw the media off the scent.
The Tiger even ducked down behind a parked car for a brief period of time, before walking briskly into Richmond station where he was forced to buy a Myki card to catch a train home.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-22/hardwick-whacks-riewoldt
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Lmao
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I'd say it's pretty obvious what Jack meant when he said our game plan's gone one way and the competition went the other. Richmond under Hardwick has always tried to play a positive, free flowing, high scoring style of game. Last year it worked pretty well, except against teams that were adept at bottling us up with extra numbers around the ball -like Fremantle and Nth. Melbourne. Unfortunately more clubs have started copying the Freo style this season (Melbourne with Paul Roos, the Bulldogs, Collingwood, whose more open style last year didn't yield their desired results.) So as he says the game is becoming more and more about constriction, and we are not coping well with it. Unfortunately the only way to beat these sides is to play ugly too and beat them at their own game. But we are just playing hapless and confused.
Perfectly summed up RR. Absolutely spot on.
Brilliant post.
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Find these comments disturbing from our Coach.
"We caught up with him this morning and removed his foot from his mouth and my foot from his arse"
What sort of leader says that publically? We give Jack a whack for being honest and crictical of our game plan in the media yet our coach can give a childish whack to a player? Pathetic.
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Roos is copying Lyon who copied Roos.
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I'd say it's pretty obvious what Jack meant when he said our game plan's gone one way and the competition went the other. Richmond under Hardwick has always tried to play a positive, free flowing, high scoring style of game. Last year it worked pretty well, except against teams that were adept at bottling us up with extra numbers around the ball -like Fremantle and Nth. Melbourne. Unfortunately more clubs have started copying the Freo style this season (Melbourne with Paul Roos, the Bulldogs, Collingwood, whose more open style last year didn't yield their desired results.) So as he says the game is becoming more and more about constriction, and we are not coping well with it. Unfortunately the only way to beat these sides is to play ugly too and beat them at their own game. But we are just playing hapless and confused.
Perfectly summed up RR. Absolutely spot on.
Brilliant post.
Thanks Popelord. The funny thing is, after the Melbourne debacle I was sitting for ages with some depressed Tiger mates outside Silvio's in Bridge Rd. trying to work out what had gone so horribly wrong this year, and I posed this theory about us copying the Hawthorn style unsuccessfully, and how the game had become even more defensive this year. Then lo and behold, Jack comes out and says the same thing virtually word for word.
While we were sitting there Dawes and Jack Viney rock up in their car and pick up an armful of pizzas. Obviously somebody was off to a celebration that night. Then after I left, apparently a whole bunch of Tigers turned up at this new sports bar that's opened up opposite the Town Hall. When they were leaving, Deledio had to discourage Sean Grigg from taking a pee up the wall of the old abandoned police station across the road. True story.
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Dimma you have let me down.
The mantra you rode in on in 2010 is now defunct and replaced with a dogma that is as aboninable as the last 32 years at Punt Rd.
It's easy to be a hard nut on the ground when there are 17 other blokes on the ground but when the truth comes out you are just a small boy playing against men.
Dimma you have failed. It took 97 games but here it is.
From ridiculous team selections to inability of game plans.
From pi$$ing down our backs and calling it water to all the other spin and crap.
Good on Jack for calling it how it is. Noone else is has the gonads to do so.
Nicely said.
It's hard to sit here and accept such a hypocritical stance from the coach. The standard to which the football department is being managed at the moment is not acceptable. To see so much fuss about what Jack said whilst Troy Chaplin is still named in the squad for this week sums up what is important to the club.
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Damien Barrett supporting Jack :o
Richmond
IF ..... we hear one more journo bagging Jack Riewoldt for what he said on Wednesday...
THEN ... we might shake our head right off. The journo game needs Jack, and now it's lost him too. Fear there's no one left now.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-23/sliding-doors-round-ten
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Why did he catch the train.
He could've just got into his car, smiled and drove off.
I'm confused.
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Because he is a massive flog.
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Grigg..... ::)
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Brownlow Medallist Jason Akermanis says Jack Riewoldt broke a footballing cardinal sin
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
May 24, 2014
BROWNLOW Medallist Jason Akermanis says Jack Riewoldt broke one of football’s cardinal rules by criticising Damien Hardwick’s game plan.
Akermanis said he will always regret questioning Leigh Matthews’ game plan in Round 1, 2006, with the coach livid at his triple premiership star.
The troublesome Akermanis was sacked by the club mid-year, and believes that betrayal of trust was a key issue.
Matthews said this week Hardwick should not have gone public with his issues over Riewoldt, but also wishes he had been stronger with his own discipline of Akermanis.
“This situation with Jack is so similar to my own (with Matthews),’’ Akermanis said.
“The players are the entertainers and without them the game is literally nothing. But as far as looking back on what was a really silly move to talk publicly about Leigh’s game plan, it didn’t help our relationship at all.
“I questioned what we were doing with the game plan in Round 1, 2006 against Geelong and I was gone by July.
“It gives you an indication how quickly relationships can sour. If you want to talk about (the game plan), just do it one-on-one. Talk to the coach and say, “What do you think about this?”.
“As bad as the stuff is, it’s good as a coach to know what your players think too.”
Riewoldt again apologised for his comments about the game plan on Wednesday, saying he had “copped his right whack”.
“I’m just looking forward to playing footy again,’’ he said.
Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt has shied away from the media following the criticism he received from coach Damien Hardwick on Thursday.
Riewoldt has been selected by Richmond despite warnings about his place in the side, and apologised to the coaching staff on Thursday.
His future at the club is not believed to be shaky given he last year signed a lucrative contract extension through to the end of 2016.
Riewoldt sacrificed hundreds of thousands of dollars by passing up a Fremantle offer.
But with Richmond 2-6 and playing a GWS side approaching full strength there is massive pressure on the club to defeat the lowly Giants.
Akermanis said it was hard to be an individual in footy, with ex-Carlton footballer Brendan Fevola also questioning the restrictions on Riewoldt.
“History will prove I was correct in what I said about Leigh’s game plan but the way I did it is one thing I want to take back and redo,’’ Akermanis aid.
“Even my ghost writer said, “Are you sure?” And I said, “It will be right. It was a bad decision and reading Jack’s comments it did remind me of 2006 so much.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brownlow-medallist-jason-akermanis-says-jack-riewoldt-broke-a-footballing-cardinal-sin/story-fndv8t7m-1226929161416