One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on July 26, 2005, 12:45:08 AM
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Skipped ahead to Razor because he was on club corner last night. He said alot without saying anything while sending everyone to sleep lol. He did say he reckons his best position is across half-back where he can use his run and he's happy living in Melbourne although he still considers himself a NSWman. Hall played full back in rugby in his early high school days before getting into footy.
Anyway should we keep Razor or is he offloadable?
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Keep unless we can get a decent trade for him.
Has been solid this year.
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get rid of him, for some one who grew up playing rugby he is weak as poo and cant tackle, should have offloaded him to the swans where he wanted to go 2 yrs ago
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The harsh reality these days is if you want to trade up to a higher pick then you have to be prepared to part with something decent.
Having said all that ::) I agree with the Captain here:
Keep unless we can get a decent trade for him.
Let's be honest you wouldn't trade a Ray Hall for a say Lappin from Carlton. And you woudn't get a pick in the top 15 for him either.
But if trading a Ray Hall and another player (eg a Tivendale or Newman) as a package could get you a pick in the top 10 of the draft you'd have to do it wouldn't you :-\ :help or at least consider it
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I think he is one of our more tradeable duds. Be honest with him and say are you prepared to work hard in the gym and on the track and become a real presence across half-back? Also ask him if he wants to go to Sydney.
I reckon we'd be surprised what the Swans would be willing to offer. They'll go a long way to ensure that they have a few local boys in the team. Look at Lewis Roberts-Thompson, who is one of the least coordinated blokes going around and how they have persisted with him.
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I reckon we'd be surprised what the Swans would be willing to offer. They'll go a long way to ensure that they have a few local boys in the team.
I think you make a fair point Jake. I reckon when it comes to the Swans at trade time they struggle to get blokes wanting to go there so when they find one that does want to go they'd be prepared make a decent offer - IIRC they gave a reasonable pick for Jolly (in the early to mid 20's)
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I think you make a fair point Jake. I reckon when it comes to the Swans at trade time they struggle to get blokes wanting to go there so when they find one that does want to go they'd be prepared make a decent offer - IIRC they gave a reasonable pick for Jolly (in the early to mid 20's)
They gave pick 15 for Jolly... first round :o
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I think you make a fair point Jake. I reckon when it comes to the Swans at trade time they struggle to get blokes wanting to go there so when they find one that does want to go they'd be prepared make a decent offer - IIRC they gave a reasonable pick for Jolly (in the early to mid 20's)
They gave pick 15 for Jolly... first round :o
And Sydney's defence is light on for height so you'd reckon they would do something similarly silly to get any tall defender they can get their hands on.
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Keep him.
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He is schit. Get rid of him. Ty Esler could read the game better and he was only allowed to handball when he got a game
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Everything points too Schultz having to step up @ CHB next year.
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That a dud like Ray Hall is getting a game before players like Schulz, Archibald, Moore tells you something about their dud status.
He is a dud, but the best dud at CHB that we have.
Keep.
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Dour Hall seen in new light
31 July 2005
Sunday Herald Sun
Howard Kotton
Ray Hall has been asked to fill some big boots, reports Howard Kotton.
RAY Hall knew he had the ability to be a creative player, but it took the arrival of Terry Wallace at Tigerland this year to bring this quality out.
Hall had been regarded as a dour defender for most of his 81-game AFL career, but this season he has provided a springboard to many attacks.
He attributes his new-found self-belief to Wallace.
"He's given me confidence to play my natural game, to leave my man and attack, get the ball and run with it," said Hall, who was picked up at No.79 in the 1998 national draft.
"I've always known how to be creative, but when one player becomes more creative it spreads throughout the team.
"I think we believe in ourselves a bit more. I think we've got a bit more resolve. When things aren't going our way, we can fight our way out of it. It's come from the coach and training and from situations we've been in."
The absence of key defenders Darren Gaspar (hamstring) and Andrew Kellaway (broken jaw) in the past few weeks has put extra pressure on the 196cm backman.
With stuff Gaspar unavailable to take the best key forward in the opposition, Hall, 24, has been forced to step up.
His workload has increased and he has enjoyed the challenge of testing himself against the best.
"They're big losses," Hall said of his injured teammates.
Hall, who hails from Woy Woy in NSW, came close to leaving Punt Rd at the end of 2003 to return north to play for the Swans. He is happy he decided to stay and expects to re-sign and continue his career at Richmond when his contract expires at the end of this season.
"I think the way the club is going, the improvement we've shown this year, it's only going to keep going next year," said Hall, one of only four Tigers to play all 22 games last year.
Not so this year. He was dropped after Richmond's Round 1 capitulation to Geelong, was reported next game in the VFL and later suspended for one match.
He returned to the senior side against Fremantle at the MCG in Round 4, played five games in a row and was then suspended for two matches after the Round 8 win over Collingwood. Hall returned against West Coast in Round 11 and has missed only one match since.
"I think I could probably be a bit more consistent, that's probably the one thing this year that could be better," he admitted.
But Hall is not unduly concerned about being suspended twice this year.
"I don't think it's part of the way I play," he said. "It's two things that didn't go my way and I definitely learned from it."
THE Tigers were gallant in the rain against Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium last week, but failed to get over the line and are under pressure to remain in the race for a finals berth.
Fortunately for the Tigers, their run home does not appear as daunting as fellow aspirants Melbourne, Port Adelaide and Fremantle. The Tigers' next four matches are against sides below them on the ladder: Carlton, Fremantle, Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn, before finishing off the home-and-away season against Geelong at Skilled Stadium.
The Tigers' poor percentage (94.1) does not help their chances, but they believe three more wins will be enough to get them into the finals for the first time since 2001.
Hall played three finals in the Tigers' 2001 campaign and hopes to add to that tally in September.
"It would be great to get back there (the MCG) and play in finals in front of a Richmond crowd," he said.
Today's match against the bottom-placed Blues is at Telstra Dome, where the Tigers play three of their next four games. They also play the Dockers at Subiaco.
"We've played most of our games at the MCG this year, but we can play good footy there (at Telstra Dome)," Hall said. "We beat Port Adelaide there and it does suit the way we play.
"When we play well, we're running . . . we're looking forward to getting that back into our game. In the last three weeks we've played on grounds that are pretty wet, so we're looking forward to getting back to our best form.
"If you had a look at the start of the season and said that we'd be in this position, you'd be happy with that. Early on we had some good wins when maybe we weren't expected to."
In Round 7 Richmond smashed Carlton at the MCG, but the Tigers will not underestimate their arch rivals -- despite the Blues' abysmal form in the past three months.
"You can never write off any team in this competition," Hall said.
"The last time we played them, everything went right for us and we can't go into the game expecting that to happen again.
"We really need to be on our game. They've got a lot of good players in their team."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16096117%255E19771,00.html
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Ray Hall played his guts out for the Tigers today.
He showed his critics that He is worthy of a place on the list at Tigerland which is at this stage of it's development devoid of match winning stars.
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Havent seen the game, but I still say see what we can get for him if Sydney are interested. I'm not going to be convinced by a game against Hawthorn, the most gutless team in the league, when he is continually underperforming in big games.
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I haven't seen Razor do what he did today since 2001. Granted he's played as a CHB this year out of necessity so he usually stays in defence but he played alot like a tall ruck rover today pushing forward and kicking those long goals from just inside 50 which we need to add to our gameplan. He of course needs to show this form against good sides not just against Hawthorn.
Given our lack of KPPs I doubt he'll be going anywhere but today he probably showed if we had two key defenders he'd be played more as a running 3rd tall defender or ruck rover type.
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Backed up last weeks promising performance with a great game today.