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Title: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on March 19, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition

Nathan Schmook 
afl.com.au
March 19, 2015 11:30 AM



RICHMOND'S tall forwards will compete for round-one selection in Saturday's NAB Challenge clash against North Melbourne, with coach Damien Hardwick yet to settle on his best structure in attack and the ruck.

The Tigers will call on tall forward Ben Griffiths for his first NAB Challenge match, showcasing a three-pronged attack with Ty Vickery and Jack Riewoldt.

Griffiths is leaner after a standout summer working on his running ability and repeat speed. He has missed short periods late in the pre-season with sore spots, but Hardwick said he was ready to play.

"He was probably touch and go but we gave him another week of training and got him up and going," the coach said.

"He's had an incredible pre-season. He looks like an incredible athlete and we're looking forward to him taking that into our game this week.

"Ty has been OK without being to the level that I know he can play, but it's hard for key forwards … in the NAB Challenge, because of the ball use, the wind, all these factors.

"This week we're at an indoor facility (Etihad Stadium), it's a quality field and we're looking forward to seeing how those guys go."

The Tigers could also use their final pre-season match to test Griffiths as support ruckmen after Vickery played that role in the opening two matches.

Skipper Trent Cotchin has been named for his first 2015 game after overcoming hamstring soreness.

Ruckman Shaun Hampson won't play after shouldering the load in the opening NAB Challenge match against the Western Bulldogs.

"It's an interesting one, Shaun Hampson was outstanding against the Bulldogs and without doubt the dominant ruckman," Hardwick said. 

"So we're giving some guys an opportunity.

"We're looking for Shaun to try a bit forward and possibly pinch-hit in the ruck, so that's a position where we're looking to develop that second type of ruckman.

"We're still a little undecided in that area at this stage."

The Tigers will field their strongest team of the pre-season against the Kangaroos, with Hardwick excited about the competition for spots across all lines.

"It's getting to the business end of the pre-season competition and we've got to try and find those guys who are putting their hands up for positions," he said. 

"We think it's going to be a really good contest (against North) and we're looking forward to it."

The Tigers have one vacant spot on their senior list, which can be filled by a rookie ahead of next Tuesday's deadline.

After impressing in the opening two NAB Challenge matches, mature-age recruit Kane Lambert appears poised for promotion if he performs against the Kangaroos.

"He's been really impressive," Hardwick said.

"He's a mature-age prospect, so we always expected him to be a little bit further advanced than our first-year players.

"The way he's attacked his training and the way he's fitted into the club has been outstanding.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-19/tigers-try-out-tall-trio
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: WA Tiger on March 19, 2015, 01:08:44 PM
Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition

Nathan Schmook 
afl.com.au
March 19, 2015 11:30 AM



RICHMOND'S tall forwards will compete for round-one selection in Saturday's NAB Challenge clash against North Melbourne, with coach Damien Hardwick yet to settle on his best structure in attack and the ruck.

The Tigers will call on tall forward Ben Griffiths for his first NAB Challenge match, showcasing a three-pronged attack with Ty Vickery and Jack Riewoldt.

Griffiths is leaner after a standout summer working on his running ability and repeat speed. He has missed short periods late in the pre-season with sore spots, but Hardwick said he was ready to play.

"He was probably touch and go but we gave him another week of training and got him up and going," the coach said.

"He's had an incredible pre-season. He looks like an incredible athlete and we're looking forward to him taking that into our game this week.

"Ty has been OK without being to the level that I know he can play, but it's hard for key forwards … in the NAB Challenge, because of the ball use, the wind, all these factors.

"This week we're at an indoor facility (Etihad Stadium), it's a quality field and we're looking forward to seeing how those guys go."

The Tigers could also use their final pre-season match to test Griffiths as support ruckmen after Vickery played that role in the opening two matches.

Skipper Trent Cotchin has been named for his first 2015 game after overcoming hamstring soreness.

Ruckman Shaun Hampson won't play after shouldering the load in the opening NAB Challenge match against the Western Bulldogs.

"It's an interesting one, Shaun Hampson was outstanding against the Bulldogs and without doubt the dominant ruckman," Hardwick said.

"So we're giving some guys an opportunity.

"We're looking for Shaun to try a bit forward and possibly pinch-hit in the ruck, so that's a position where we're looking to develop that second type of ruckman.

"We're still a little undecided in that area at this stage."

The Tigers will field their strongest team of the pre-season against the Kangaroos, with Hardwick excited about the competition for spots across all lines.

"It's getting to the business end of the pre-season competition and we've got to try and find those guys who are putting their hands up for positions," he said. 

"We think it's going to be a really good contest (against North) and we're looking forward to it."

The Tigers have one vacant spot on their senior list, which can be filled by a rookie ahead of next Tuesday's deadline.

After impressing in the opening two NAB Challenge matches, mature-age recruit Kane Lambert appears poised for promotion if he performs against the Kangaroos.

"He's been really impressive," Hardwick said.

"He's a mature-age prospect, so we always expected him to be a little bit further advanced than our first-year players.

"The way he's attacked his training and the way he's fitted into the club has been outstanding.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-19/tigers-try-out-tall-trio

Really funny isn't it, so I said I thought he went well and his work around the ground and at the ball was good. After that all disagreed on his thread, interesting to see the coaches take on it...
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Chuck17 on March 19, 2015, 01:11:59 PM
He was the dominant ruckman by far and if that was what he was judged on then so be it.

However most posters are looking at the wider picture of involvement in general play and jogging around the park for tap outs doesnt cut it
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: WA Tiger on March 19, 2015, 01:16:09 PM
Well whatever he did he obviously impressed the coach and played his role, which many disagreed he did.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Chuck17 on March 19, 2015, 01:21:10 PM
What do you expect him to say;

"Look, in terms of his tap work he was by far the most dominant ruck on the day.

However in terms of general ground play I'd rather his missus in there because at least she would distract the opposition instead of being another goal post".

I think if you re read the posts most will say he dominated taps but was useless around the ground.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Smokey on March 19, 2015, 02:05:40 PM
Well whatever he did he obviously impressed the coach and played his role, which many disagreed he did.

Yep, impressed him so much he hasn't been considered for a game since.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Diocletian on March 19, 2015, 02:22:27 PM
Would rather re-draft JON and play him in the ruck.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on March 19, 2015, 02:48:54 PM
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Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition

Nathan Schmook 
afl.com.au
March 19, 2015 11:30 AM



RICHMOND'S tall forwards will compete for round-one selection in Saturday's NAB Challenge clash against North Melbourne, with coach Damien Hardwick yet to settle on his best structure in attack and the ruck.

The Tigers will call on tall forward Ben Griffiths for his first NAB Challenge match, showcasing a three-pronged attack with Ty Vickery and Jack Riewoldt.

Griffiths is leaner after a standout summer working on his running ability and repeat speed. He has missed short periods late in the pre-season with sore spots, but Hardwick said he was ready to play.

"He was probably touch and go but we gave him another week of training and got him up and going," the coach said.

"He's had an incredible pre-season. He looks like an incredible athlete and we're looking forward to him taking that into our game this week.

"Ty has been OK without being to the level that I know he can play, but it's hard for key forwards … in the NAB Challenge, because of the ball use, the wind, all these factors.

"This week we're at an indoor facility (Etihad Stadium), it's a quality field and we're looking forward to seeing how those guys go."

The Tigers could also use their final pre-season match to test Griffiths as support ruckmen after Vickery played that role in the opening two matches.

Skipper Trent Cotchin has been named for his first 2015 game after overcoming hamstring soreness.

Ruckman Shaun Hampson won't play after shouldering the load in the opening NAB Challenge match against the Western Bulldogs.

"It's an interesting one, Shaun Hampson was outstanding against the Bulldogs and without doubt the dominant ruckman," Hardwick said.

"So we're giving some guys an opportunity.

"We're looking for Shaun to try a bit forward and possibly pinch-hit in the ruck, so that's a position where we're looking to develop that second type of ruckman.

"We're still a little undecided in that area at this stage."

The Tigers will field their strongest team of the pre-season against the Kangaroos, with Hardwick excited about the competition for spots across all lines.

"It's getting to the business end of the pre-season competition and we've got to try and find those guys who are putting their hands up for positions," he said. 

"We think it's going to be a really good contest (against North) and we're looking forward to it."

The Tigers have one vacant spot on their senior list, which can be filled by a rookie ahead of next Tuesday's deadline.

After impressing in the opening two NAB Challenge matches, mature-age recruit Kane Lambert appears poised for promotion if he performs against the Kangaroos.

"He's been really impressive," Hardwick said.

"He's a mature-age prospect, so we always expected him to be a little bit further advanced than our first-year players.

"The way he's attacked his training and the way he's fitted into the club has been outstanding.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-19/tigers-try-out-tall-trio

Really funny isn't it, so I said I thought he went well and his work around the ground and at the ball was good. After that all disagreed on his thread, interesting to see the coaches take on it...



Hampson had 6 possessions at 83% and 38 hit outs.
Played on ball as our number 1 ruckman
(Last week Batchelor gained 9 possessions at 88%  from half back which apparently wasn't nearly enough in possessions gained or effectiveness)

Says it all really.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: (•))(©™ on March 19, 2015, 03:05:30 PM
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Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition

Nathan Schmook 
afl.com.au
March 19, 2015 11:30 AM



RICHMOND'S tall forwards will compete for round-one selection in Saturday's NAB Challenge clash against North Melbourne, with coach Damien Hardwick yet to settle on his best structure in attack and the ruck.

The Tigers will call on tall forward Ben Griffiths for his first NAB Challenge match, showcasing a three-pronged attack with Ty Vickery and Jack Riewoldt.

Griffiths is leaner after a standout summer working on his running ability and repeat speed. He has missed short periods late in the pre-season with sore spots, but Hardwick said he was ready to play.

"He was probably touch and go but we gave him another week of training and got him up and going," the coach said.

"He's had an incredible pre-season. He looks like an incredible athlete and we're looking forward to him taking that into our game this week.

"Ty has been OK without being to the level that I know he can play, but it's hard for key forwards … in the NAB Challenge, because of the ball use, the wind, all these factors.

"This week we're at an indoor facility (Etihad Stadium), it's a quality field and we're looking forward to seeing how those guys go."

The Tigers could also use their final pre-season match to test Griffiths as support ruckmen after Vickery played that role in the opening two matches.

Skipper Trent Cotchin has been named for his first 2015 game after overcoming hamstring soreness.

Ruckman Shaun Hampson won't play after shouldering the load in the opening NAB Challenge match against the Western Bulldogs.

"It's an interesting one, Shaun Hampson was outstanding against the Bulldogs and without doubt the dominant ruckman," Hardwick said.

"So we're giving some guys an opportunity.

"We're looking for Shaun to try a bit forward and possibly pinch-hit in the ruck, so that's a position where we're looking to develop that second type of ruckman.

"We're still a little undecided in that area at this stage."

The Tigers will field their strongest team of the pre-season against the Kangaroos, with Hardwick excited about the competition for spots across all lines.

"It's getting to the business end of the pre-season competition and we've got to try and find those guys who are putting their hands up for positions," he said. 

"We think it's going to be a really good contest (against North) and we're looking forward to it."

The Tigers have one vacant spot on their senior list, which can be filled by a rookie ahead of next Tuesday's deadline.

After impressing in the opening two NAB Challenge matches, mature-age recruit Kane Lambert appears poised for promotion if he performs against the Kangaroos.

"He's been really impressive," Hardwick said.

"He's a mature-age prospect, so we always expected him to be a little bit further advanced than our first-year players.

"The way he's attacked his training and the way he's fitted into the club has been outstanding.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-19/tigers-try-out-tall-trio

Really funny isn't it, so I said I thought he went well and his work around the ground and at the ball was good. After that all disagreed on his thread, interesting to see the coaches take on it...



Hampson had 6 possessions at 83% and 38 hit outs.
Played on ball as our number 1 ruckman
(Last week Batchelor gained 9 possessions at 88%  from half back which apparently wasn't nearly enough in possessions gained or effectiveness)

Says it all really.

Lol, indeed.
It most assuredly, does.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: WA Tiger on March 19, 2015, 03:06:49 PM
Well Hardwick said what he said, he would have a bit more knowledge of his players and the job they were given then most here, so I will go by what he said.

Smokey, why would he just not be giving Ty a good crack at it and Maric ready for round 1???

Haters going to hate and unfortunately most of you see Hampson like this.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Chuck17 on March 19, 2015, 03:08:27 PM
You are right, my bad, he is a gun.

Gun Hampson sounds good.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Chuck17 on March 19, 2015, 03:14:12 PM
Wish we had two of him
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: WA Tiger on March 19, 2015, 03:16:17 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: (•))(©™ on March 19, 2015, 03:20:18 PM
What do u think the difference in footy iq would be between Angus Beefcake and Dudly Hamspud?
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: tigs2011 on March 19, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Well whatever he did he obviously impressed the coach and played his role, which many disagreed he did.

Yep, impressed him so much he hasn't been considered for a game since.
:lol
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: 🏅Dooks on March 19, 2015, 03:55:22 PM
Maybe we could play Hampson at half back?
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: WA Tiger on March 19, 2015, 04:14:41 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Owl on March 19, 2015, 04:28:57 PM
Wish we had two of him
spilt hot coffee on my massive chest muscles laughing
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: The Big Richo on March 19, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
If Hardwick thinks Hampson is even remotely in the picture to play senior footy this year without all of our other players over 165cms being dead, then we should bring the plan forward and get Bomber now.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: (•))(©™ on March 19, 2015, 05:29:55 PM
Hardwick's press conference  / Tigers RE-try out tall trio in attacking audition....again .....still....
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: The Big Richo on March 19, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
Hardwick's press conference  / Tigers RE-try out tall trio in attacking audition....again .....still....

No need to worry, I'm sure that 7 or 8 rounds in he will reconsider. Again.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: 🏅Dooks on March 19, 2015, 06:51:23 PM
What are the odds that playing all 3 (Maric, Vickery,  Griff) provides for a functional and reasonably potent forward and ruck setup? In a single game. Ever?

I mean, would it be lucky to work once a year against the bottom team?
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Chuck17 on March 19, 2015, 07:15:49 PM
What are the odds that playing all 3 (Maric, Vickery,  Griff) provides for a functional and reasonably potent forward and ruck setup? In a single game. Ever?

I mean, would it be lucky to work once a year against the bottom team?

I think the chances of success would be better if Hampson could start on the interchange in that set up.

That way it would be more game time for Griff and Ty to bag goals
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on March 19, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
Let's add Soldo, McBean & Elton
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: (•))(©™ on March 19, 2015, 09:56:47 PM
 The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Yeahright on March 20, 2015, 12:54:33 AM
Well Hardwick said what he said, he would have a bit more knowledge of his players and the job they were given then most here, so I will go by what he said.

Smokey, why would he just not be giving Ty a good crack at it and Maric ready for round 1???

Haters going to hate and unfortunately most of you see Hampson like this.

You do realise he rates Edwards too?
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: WA Tiger on March 20, 2015, 08:52:07 AM
Yep.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Chuck17 on March 20, 2015, 09:06:47 AM
Well Hardwick said what he said, he would have a bit more knowledge of his players and the job they were given then most here, so I will go by what he said.

Smokey, why would he just not be giving Ty a good crack at it and Maric ready for round 1???

Haters going to hate and unfortunately most of you see Hampson like this.

You do realise he rates Edwards too?

Thats because Shed is elite
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: WA Tiger on March 20, 2015, 09:14:09 AM
Yep
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on March 20, 2015, 12:18:19 PM
He also rates Newman and Pettard
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Yeahright on March 20, 2015, 03:10:13 PM
But don't worry Hampson will be like a new recruit this year and win an AA. Dimma rates him and that's all I need to back me up
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: mightytiges on March 21, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
Audition of 3 talls fails again.

At least we're consistent  :P.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: (•))(©™ on March 21, 2015, 05:19:10 PM
 Morons have run out of tricks.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Andyy on March 21, 2015, 06:54:30 PM
Wrong talls.

Stuff off Vickery. Been saying it a while.

Try McKenzie or McBean for goodness sake. Anybody but Vickery.
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on April 10, 2015, 10:05:08 PM
"Primarily, I want to play three talls,” Hardwick said.

“What we’ve just got to make sure of, is we pick the guy that’s in form.

“At the moment, I’m playing Sam Lloyd as a key-position player . . . he’s 5ft 10in.  He kicks three goals (against Carlton in Round 1), so he keeps his spot in the side.

“Whoever’s playing the best will play.”

Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-10/vickery-still-right-in-the-frame
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 10, 2015, 11:07:33 PM
"Primarily, I want to play three talls,” Hardwick said.

“What we’ve just got to make sure of, is we pick the guy that’s in form.

“At the moment, I’m playing Sam Lloyd as a key-position player . . . he’s 5ft 10in.  He kicks three goals (against Carlton in Round 1), so he keeps his spot in the side.

Whoever’s playing the best will play.”

Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-10/vickery-still-right-in-the-frame
Why are Newman playing & Morris still playing.
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: Lozza on April 10, 2015, 11:52:17 PM
Newman gets a get out of jail free card for each round,  the only thing that will see him out of the side is an injury, sad but true, should have retired last season.
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: the claw on April 11, 2015, 12:48:17 AM
dunno how long ive been saying it but 3 talls is the way to go. its the type and quality that lets us down.

look at most other clubs they employ 3 talls and do it successfully
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 11, 2015, 04:12:55 AM
"Primarily, I want to play three talls,” Hardwick said.

“What we’ve just got to make sure of, is we pick the guy that’s in form.

“At the moment, I’m playing Sam Lloyd as a key-position player . . . he’s 5ft 10in.  He kicks three goals (against Carlton in Round 1), so he keeps his spot in the side.

“Whoever’s playing the best will play.”

Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-10/vickery-still-right-in-the-frame

Square peg, round hole. Repeat x 100.
Title: Re: Hardwick's press conference / Tigers try out tall trio in attacking audition
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on April 11, 2015, 09:32:39 AM
Wrong talls.

Stuff off Vickery. Been saying it a while.

Try McKenzie or McBean for goodness sake. Anybody but Vickery.

I agree, one of these two could be the answer. I also think that a two talls with a third player thats not tall but can play that way. Current setup with Lids playing alot at half forward is not a bad way to go. The only thing that worries me is that if Griff or Maric goes down early in the game we are very short on ruck back up.
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: Andyy on April 11, 2015, 10:17:03 AM
For me it's Jack, Griff and McKenzie.

Only mention McKenzie because of his stature. He could become a genuine POWER forward which I've been crying out for for years. Somebody with a powerful frame like Walker/Hawkins/Roughead.

Jack on a stuff. Griff half-forward. McKenzie deep. Few smaller blokes around them.

They're the three I hope take us forward.
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: The Big Richo on April 11, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
Vickery needs to replace Maric in the ruck ASAP.
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: Zlatan on April 11, 2015, 10:32:17 PM
"Primarily, I want to play three talls,” Hardwick said.

“What we’ve just got to make sure of, is we pick the guy that’s in form.

“At the moment, I’m playing Sam Lloyd as a key-position player . . . he’s 5ft 10in.  He kicks three goals (against Carlton in Round 1), so he keeps his spot in the side.

“Whoever’s playing the best will play.”

Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-10/vickery-still-right-in-the-frame

 :huh
Title: Re: Playing 3 tall forwards [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 02, 2015, 08:38:10 AM
dunno how long ive been saying it but 3 talls is the way to go. its the type and quality that lets us down.

look at most other clubs they employ 3 talls and do it successfully

Seems you were right Craw. Now for some consistency