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Title: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Zlatan on May 31, 2015, 05:34:10 PM
image if we had this guy, playing in chaplins position...
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Zlatan on May 31, 2015, 05:37:16 PM
grimes - Carlisle - vlastuin
mcintosh - rance - houli

Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on May 31, 2015, 06:03:05 PM
 :clapping

would be a good get
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Zlatan on May 31, 2015, 06:36:45 PM
:clapping

would be a good get

Juventus-like backline
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 31, 2015, 06:54:15 PM
Snip.  :banghead :banghead

And I think you know why Bents.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 31, 2015, 06:56:18 PM
image if we had this guy, playing in chaplins position...

Yep, thought the same thing last night
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Yeahright on May 31, 2015, 09:05:58 PM
Would you prefer Carlisle or Griffiths?
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 31, 2015, 09:13:57 PM
Would you prefer Carlisle or Griffiths?
Carlisle is clearly the better player at the moment.  However, it is a strange question.  I don't think we will be in a position to ever swap the two anyway.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 31, 2015, 09:25:45 PM
image if we had this guy, playing in chaplins position...
Excellent idea.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Andyy on May 31, 2015, 11:19:23 PM
Bloke is an absolute gun. Same height and weight as Maric, runs like the wind and has a huge leap.

Played some enormous games last year but still looking to re-capture that form...
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Owl on June 01, 2015, 12:35:50 PM
nah spends too much of the game doubled up on the ground
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Diocletian on June 01, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
Is he leaving Essendon or something? Wanted him with the pick we used on Griffiths....
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on June 02, 2015, 04:30:25 AM
ESSENDON forward Jake Carlisle has received "a lot of interest" from rival clubs, his manager Anthony McConville says.

The 23-year-old is due to fall out of contract at season's end and is yet to recommit to the Bombers.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-01/rivals-showing-a-lot-of-interest-in-bomber-jake-carlisle
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Chuck17 on June 02, 2015, 06:35:38 AM
Depends how tall he is, suspiciously looks to be near 200cm
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 02, 2015, 06:49:48 AM
Depends how tall he is, suspiciously looks to be near 200cm
Maybe we could get him to cowl. Should make it under 196cm then.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Yeahright on June 05, 2015, 06:00:07 PM
Does the rule for over 200cm include blokes who are exactly 200cm? Can someone confirm?
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Willy on June 05, 2015, 06:13:06 PM
Head case in front of goals
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Diocletian on June 05, 2015, 06:18:53 PM
Still vastly superior to all our regular KPP's outside Riewoldt & Rance.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Willy on June 05, 2015, 06:29:23 PM
He's averaged about 7 possies this year. Moments of brilliance but let's not go overboard.
Ivan is also a better player.
And while he doesn't have the same upside, Vickery's stats are probably not far behind.
I'd take him for the right price but I wouldn't bend over backwards.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 05, 2015, 07:22:33 PM
Head case in front of goals
Replacement for Chaplin…. :shh
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: wayne on June 05, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
Id play him back if we got him, used to dominate there until bomber moved him
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Chuck17 on June 05, 2015, 08:46:44 PM
Does the rule for over 200cm include blokes who are exactly 200cm? Can someone confirm?

I can't but I think it is an excellent question that needs answering
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on June 11, 2015, 02:12:16 PM
Jon Ralph reckons Carlisle has had enough of dealing with the WADA stuff at Essendon and is off to the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 11, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
Would love Carlisle to take over from Chaplin.... :pray :pray :pray
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 11, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
Does the rule for over 200cm include blokes who are exactly 200cm? Can someone confirm?

I can't but I think it is an excellent question that needs answering

Turns to custard at or above 200cm  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: eliminator on June 11, 2015, 05:14:34 PM
Long term replacement for Chaplin.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: big tone on June 11, 2015, 05:15:00 PM
Does the rule for over 200cm include blokes who are exactly 200cm? Can someone confirm?

I can't but I think it is an excellent question that needs answering

Turns to custard at or above 200cm  :thumbsup
Before we get anymore side splitting gems, is he even 200cm tall?
I truly hope so otherwise the joke of the millennium is just plain stupid. 
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: tony_montana on June 11, 2015, 05:26:35 PM
Would go hard at this bloke, him and Rance as the pillars of defence would be huge
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: 1965 on June 11, 2015, 07:46:02 PM

I was thinking as  a replacement for Rance.

Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WA Tiger on June 11, 2015, 07:59:58 PM
Would go hard at this bloke, him and Rance as the pillars of defence would be huge

Agree, would complete the backline totally. One more mid like Treloar and that should do us!
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 11, 2015, 10:08:31 PM
Does the rule for over 200cm include blokes who are exactly 200cm? Can someone confirm?

I can't but I think it is an excellent question that needs answering

Turns to custard at or above 200cm  :thumbsup
Before we get anymore side splitting gems, is he even 200cm tall?
I truly hope so otherwise the joke of the millennium is just plain stupid.
He is exactly 200cm and this isn't a joke.
Look at the stats brother
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: bojangles17 on June 11, 2015, 10:15:39 PM
Has he always avg 7 possies or just a bad season
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: big tone on June 11, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
Does the rule for over 200cm include blokes who are exactly 200cm? Can someone confirm?

I can't but I think it is an excellent question that needs answering

Turns to custard at or above 200cm  :thumbsup
Before we get anymore side splitting gems, is he even 200cm tall?
I truly hope so otherwise the joke of the millennium is just plain stupid.
He is exactly 200cm and this isn't a joke.
Look at the stats brother
198cm according to the Essendon FC website- but what would they know brother.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: 🏅Dooks on June 12, 2015, 03:56:09 AM
Oh brother
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Yeahright on June 12, 2015, 02:48:57 PM
Does it matter how tall he is? I still want clarification of the rule for future reference. What if he grows a little before we get him, do we still chase him? Should we avoid drafting teenagers that are 198-199cm tall in case they do grow over the summer? So many questions, so little answers
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Zlatan on June 13, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
Has he always avg 7 possies or just a bad season

hes a boss in backline
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Zlatan on June 20, 2015, 04:57:03 PM
now everyone is signed throw the kitchen sink at the peptide enthusiast

rance would be stoked
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Penelope on June 20, 2015, 06:42:53 PM
but rance was stoked when we got chaplin........
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Simonator on June 20, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
Chaplin has been very good for us. His strengths arent in 1 on 1 battles, he is a an interceptor and ball reader. Carlisle could be very handy as a swingman for us. Not sure what hes worth though
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Yeahright on June 20, 2015, 09:11:46 PM
Worth a fair crack at thats for sure
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on June 20, 2015, 09:17:44 PM
Carlisle is so much better a key defender than Troy Chaplin, i am rather shocked it would need to be discussed.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Yeahright on June 20, 2015, 09:32:40 PM
Carlisle is so much better a key defender than Troy Chaplin, i am rather shocked it would need to be discussed.

Is he what we should be chasing though? Would our money be better spent chasing a good mid, ruck or small forward? All those areas need addressing before our talls IMO. In an ideal world we'd through money at everyone but we can't.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on June 20, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
Chaplin has been very good for us. His strengths arent in 1 on 1 battles, he is a an interceptor and ball reader. Carlisle could be very handy as a swingman for us. Not sure what hes worth though
Chaplin is has too many limitations as a backman.
He's slow, fumbles too much and I don't think he can jump more than 1cm off the ground.

I think Carlisle would be very important for us for the short & long term.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on June 20, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
Carlisle is so much better a key defender than Troy Chaplin, i am rather shocked it would need to be discussed.

Is he what we should be chasing though? Would our money be better spent chasing a good mid, ruck or small forward? All those areas need addressing before our talls IMO. In an ideal world we'd through money at everyone but we can't.

You make a very fair point. I am of the mindset you get the backline right before you build the rest. We have done well to sign down our 'A' Grade defender for the long term future. However another, would really give us some added stability going forward.

Not only is Chaplin slow and lacks the movement to keep up with most, he is also old which means he won't be around for a long time for form a partnership with Rance, Houli, Grimes, McIntosh and co. Our more promising types.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Jonesracing82 on June 21, 2015, 03:14:16 PM
WADA pending i'd get Carlisle. he & Rance would be the best KPD combo in the league, our backline would be set with those 2 with chappy as the 3rd tall ala H.Taylor (that role suit Chappy the most) Grimes/Batch for the other spot/once chappy retires etc. Astbury has currency at Trade table or as depth.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on June 21, 2015, 04:59:53 PM
WADA pending i'd get Carlisle. he & Rance would be the best KPD combo in the league, our backline would be set with those 2 with chappy as the 3rd tall ala H.Taylor (that role suit Chappy the most) Grimes/Batch for the other spot/once chappy retires etc. Astbury has currency at Trade table or as depth.

Rance
Carlisle
Grimes

With Elton and astbury waiting in the wings would be excellent and we'd be safe down back for some time.

Chaplin is not good enough
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on July 10, 2015, 07:06:49 PM
Mark Stevens, just now on Ch 7, said Carlisle will leave Essendon and most likely head to Carlton.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Diocletian on July 10, 2015, 07:43:56 PM
In that case.....GO WADA!
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 20, 2015, 10:44:51 AM
image if we had this guy, playing in chaplins position...

grimes - Carlisle - vlastuin
mcintosh - rance - houli

:clapping

would be a good get

‘This club is f---ed!’:    :clapping    Jake Carlisle’s remarkable outburst during Essendon’s loss to GWS

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/this-club-is-f-ed-jake-carlisles-remarkable-outburst-during-essendons-loss-to-gws/story-fnp04d70-1227490469179




Jake Carlisle: Appears more unlikely than likely to be at Essendon next year after struggling for form for the past two seasons predominantly as a forward. Hird persisted with him in attack this year and it never came off. The Bombers have been trying to get negotiations going for more than a year now but they have not progressed very far.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-19/essendons-20-out-of-contract-players-and-their-futures
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 20, 2015, 10:47:52 AM
Depends how tall he is, suspiciously looks to be near 200cm

underrated post  :clapping
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 20, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
Lachlie Henderson fall back option?

Unless someone better turns up
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on August 20, 2015, 02:29:32 PM
Don't want this scrub anywhere near the club. He's a decent defender at best, but not a player we don't already have. Would rather any of the other players we've been linked too recently.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Owl on August 20, 2015, 03:14:13 PM
wow, big upgrade going to carlton lol  all aboard the success train Carlisle
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: scjhammo on August 20, 2015, 03:20:56 PM
Jakes only good game this year came against us, maybe showing Dimmas something dimma has always had a big opinon of Jake and we were rumoured to be interested last year :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
GO U TIGERS
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: No More on August 20, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Carlisle and Rance would make an unbeatable duo as key defenders for us. I would take him if he wants to come to Richmond. He is young enough to play a lot of games for the Richmond Football Club.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 20, 2015, 05:15:43 PM
Carlisle and Rance would make an unbeatable duo as key defenders for us. I would take him if he wants to come to Richmond. He is young enough to play a lot of games for the Richmond Football Club.

and grimes too
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: torch on August 20, 2015, 06:40:31 PM
Get him!
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: (•))(©™ on August 20, 2015, 07:53:47 PM
who'd go to carlton.....They're the blue Essendone
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: No More on August 20, 2015, 10:37:16 PM
Clubs will be put off by the article in the papers mostly coz they will worry about how Carlisle will be going forward, Richmond should offer him a home. He is a 10 year player in the making. Carlisle will be ok in a new environment and when he the Tiger Army gets behind him he will come good for us. I would offer up our first pick in a heart beat for Carlisle.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Andyy on August 20, 2015, 10:48:52 PM
Who can blame him for not wanting to play for that debacle of a club?

Bloke was damned near All Australian in the back line, and has shown that he can do extraordinary things in the forward line too. Can pinch hit in the ruck as well!

I would be inquiring for sure. And Henderson.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: bojangles17 on August 20, 2015, 11:02:56 PM
Proved himself to be a ragbag , we don't need kpp , we have two or three  in the vfl that would get a game ea week with a dozen other clubs
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: No More on August 20, 2015, 11:05:55 PM
Proved himself to be a ragbag , we don't need kpp , we have two or three  in the vfl that would get a game ea week with a dozen other clubs

Don't be a tool ... your going overboard with the stupidity now Bj ... try and reign it in a little bit. It will do you good.   ;D
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Penelope on August 20, 2015, 11:07:08 PM
Proved himself to be a ragbag , we don't need kpp , we have two or three  in the vfl that would get a game ea week with a dozen other clubs
I seriously cannot work out if you actually believe the crap you spew forth, or if it is all one big wind up.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: No More on August 20, 2015, 11:20:31 PM
No worries Astbury and Elton will save us lol.  :snidegrin
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Yeahright on August 21, 2015, 12:15:41 AM
Proved himself to be a ragbag , we don't need kpp , we have two or three  in the vfl that would get a game ea week with a dozen other clubs
I seriously cannot work out if you actually believe the crap you spew forth, or if it is all one big wind up.

I always took it as tongue in cheek but lately I've been genuinely concerned about his mental health
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on August 21, 2015, 12:21:22 AM
We need to get a replacement for Chaplin ASAP. I couldn't think of anyone better than Carlisle. Put him on the best forward and watch our boy Rance dominate the competition more than ever before.
Make Chaplin a coach if we still need him around the club.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on August 21, 2015, 01:39:07 AM
Jake Carlisle will leave Essendon, is seen to want $750,000 a year and is not interested in moving interstate.

http://www.news.com.au/national/carlton-could-head-to-the-afl-draft-with-as-many-as-five-top-20-picks-this-year/story-e6frfkp9-1227492159567
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 21, 2015, 06:54:13 AM
Jake Carlisle will leave Essendon, is seen to want $750,000 a year and is not interested in moving interstate.

http://www.news.com.au/national/carlton-could-head-to-the-afl-draft-with-as-many-as-five-top-20-picks-this-year/story-e6frfkp9-1227492159567

He isn't worth $750k a year, especially with the WADA thing hanging over his head

He has had a crap season. Prior to that during seasons he played a few very good game, some OK games and some more crap games. Don't think his record justifies that coin. IMV he isn't worth it because you'd be playing on potential; what you might/hope you'll get rather that on what you know you will get
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: No More on August 21, 2015, 10:09:11 AM
Jake Carlisle will leave Essendon, is seen to want $750,000 a year and is not interested in moving interstate.

http://www.news.com.au/national/carlton-could-head-to-the-afl-draft-with-as-many-as-five-top-20-picks-this-year/story-e6frfkp9-1227492159567

He isn't worth $750k a year, especially with the WADA thing hanging over his head

He has had a crap season. Prior to that during seasons he played a few very good game, some OK games and some more crap games. Don't think his record justifies that coin. IMV he isn't worth it because you'd be playing on potential; what you might/hope you'll get rather that on what you know you will get

I agree 750 is over the top. 550k is about right for his ability and potential.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Andyy on August 21, 2015, 10:18:33 AM
$750k you're joking. What a disgrace.

Bloke is worth $400-500 tops. And next year might not be playing at all. Hopefully Carlton pay him $750k for like 5 years and he can't play the first 1-2.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: No More on August 21, 2015, 10:23:20 AM
$750k you're joking. What a disgrace.

Bloke is worth $400-500 tops. And next year might not be playing at all. Hopefully Carlton pay him $750k for like 5 years and he can't play the first 1-2.

Unfortunately KPP get paid more when moving clubs. He isn't worth 750 but someone will definitely pay him 550-600k per year.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: MintOnLamb on August 21, 2015, 10:42:36 AM
$750k you're joking. What a disgrace.

Bloke is worth $400-500 tops. And next year might not be playing at all. Hopefully Carlton pay him $750k for like 5 years and he can't play the first 1-2.
that would be very sweet potatoes :lol
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Yeahright on August 21, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Damned near proved himself as a KPD a couple year backs, was nearly unbeatable for a sustained amount of time. Fluctuation of form came after they started moving him around. The WADA thing definitely hampers his value though so 750 might be a bit rich
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Petey on August 21, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
I remember when he got 8 kicked on him about a month in a row but all ppl would talk about was his contested marking
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 21, 2015, 08:51:47 PM
We need to get a replacement for Chaplin ASAP. I couldn't think of anyone better than Carlisle. Put him on the best forward and watch our boy Rance dominate the competition more than ever before.
Make Chaplin a coach if we still need him around the club.

vlastuin. Grimes  rance  Carlisle

dynastic
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: cub on August 21, 2015, 08:52:44 PM
Don't have to worry dudes going from one poo club to another Carlton.....
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 21, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Don't have to worry dudes going from one poo club to another Carlton.....

L. Henderson?
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: bojangles17 on August 21, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
Yeah, champion ....whats with putting up these dud kpp, as if we re not well stocked for talls without consuming our tpp with these duds. Li,e that's the missing stuffen link ,,,,get a clue , seriously  :lol
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 21, 2015, 09:15:30 PM
Yeah, champion ....whats with putting up these dud kpp, as if we re not well stocked for talls without consuming our tpp with these duds. Li,e that's the missing stuffen link ,,,,get a clue , seriously  :lol

JC is the same age as griff. Rather young for large, key position type

a few years ago he was aa standard or there abouts when play in the backline

my personal thoughts are a player of that quality.  Along with the class of grimes and rance would be a excellent long term set up.

I would be equally happy with elton or astbury. But at 23 and 25 or so. With few afl games between them they are hardly proven

Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: cub on August 21, 2015, 09:22:42 PM
Didn't read my post  he's going to Carlton on big $$$$
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 21, 2015, 09:34:51 PM
Didn't read my post  he's going to Carlton on big $$$$

I read it

im flabbergasted hed go from efc -> carlton. (...silly duffer)

id target someone else as a third key back in offseason.  Preferably a Carlisle type that would release grimes a rance more in an attacking sense. 

Or pick a horse a play astbury  / elton / mcbean / griff there
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Andyy on August 21, 2015, 10:07:48 PM
Maybe he's not bothered about playing for a premiership club?

He's probably just sick to death of the drug scandal at EFC and how poorly the club is run...
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on August 21, 2015, 10:10:51 PM
Maybe he's not bothered about playing for a premiership club?

He's probably just sick to death of the drug scandal at EFC and how poorly the club is run...

so hes going... to... carlton  :facepalm

give him a ring benny gale. Talk some sense into the peptide enthusiast
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WA Tiger on September 09, 2015, 08:40:22 AM
Manager on SEN now..
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Jackstar is back!!! on September 09, 2015, 10:05:21 AM
Once an imbecile
Always an imbecile
Pass
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: El Guapo on September 09, 2015, 10:16:23 AM
Perfect replacement for Chaplin, I wouldnt pay overs but it would be worth a sniff.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on September 09, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Nae replacment , upgrade
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 11, 2015, 11:26:46 PM
Head case in front of goals
Replacement for Chaplin…. :shh

I am rather shocked and worried the club people leading the club have indicated we are stocked for rucks and key defenders 
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 15, 2015, 11:55:47 AM
Well well well

Tom Browne from Ch7 news reporting on Twitter that we've made enquiries and even put a trade offer for Carlisle to Essendon

@TomBrowne7: I can reveal @Richmond offered @EssendonFC about 12 and second round next season. Tigers having crack. @EssendonFC rejected at this stage

@TomBrowne7: Clearly most likely he'll go to @stkildafc , but point is @Richmond_FC circling #carlisle @EssendonFC
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 12:07:46 PM
we have bid pick 12 and something else

yeeeeessss big penny  :clapping
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 15, 2015, 12:11:48 PM
Well well well

Tom Browne from Ch7 news reporting on Twitter that we've made enquiries and even put a trade offer for Carlisle to Essendon

@TomBrowne7: I can reveal @Richmond offered @EssendonFC about 12 and second round next season. Tigers having crack. @EssendonFC rejected at this stage

@TomBrowne7: Clearly most likely he'll go to @stkildafc , but point is @Richmond_FC circling #carlisle @EssendonFC
He's the only "big fish" i don't want at the tigers next year. No thanks!
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 15, 2015, 12:12:56 PM
Please no. I'd rather keep our pick 12.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 12:13:27 PM
Well well well

Tom Browne from Ch7 news reporting on Twitter that we've made enquiries and even put a trade offer for Carlisle to Essendon

@TomBrowne7: I can reveal @Richmond offered @EssendonFC about 12 and second round next season. Tigers having crack. @EssendonFC rejected at this stage

@TomBrowne7: Clearly most likely he'll go to @stkildafc , but point is @Richmond_FC circling #carlisle @EssendonFC
He's the only "big fish" i don't want at the tigers next year. No thanks!

if you played him in our back line in place of the donkey

it'd be a seriously strong defense

even with hardwick incompetence and houlis squibbery 
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 12:13:57 PM
Please no. I'd rather keep our pick 12.

rance + needles will dominate  :clapping
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 15, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Well well well

Tom Browne from Ch7 news reporting on Twitter that we've made enquiries and even put a trade offer for Carlisle to Essendon

@TomBrowne7: I can reveal @Richmond offered @EssendonFC about 12 and second round next season. Tigers having crack. @EssendonFC rejected at this stage

@TomBrowne7: Clearly most likely he'll go to @stkildafc , but point is @Richmond_FC circling #carlisle @EssendonFC
He's the only "big fish" i don't want at the tigers next year. No thanks!

if you played him in our back line in place of the donkey

it'd be a seriously strong defense

even with hardwick incompetence and houlis squibbery
Don't forget Yarrans sooking. I agree, would be nice. Just not sold on the idea just yet. Give me time!
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: wayne on October 15, 2015, 12:16:28 PM
It would be nice to have a sure pair of hands in the backline, instead of butter fingers Chaplin.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2015, 12:18:26 PM
They just asked Brett Anderson on SEN about Richmond being interested in Carlisle. They answer was a simple "No".
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 15, 2015, 12:19:44 PM
So Tom Browne is lying? I thought the quote was he revealed we had put in a bid.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: sdc01 on October 15, 2015, 12:21:02 PM
Well well well

Tom Browne from Ch7 news reporting on Twitter that we've made enquiries and even put a trade offer for Carlisle to Essendon

@TomBrowne7: I can reveal @Richmond offered @EssendonFC about 12 and second round next season. Tigers having crack. @EssendonFC rejected at this stage

@TomBrowne7: Clearly most likely he'll go to @stkildafc , but point is @Richmond_FC circling #carlisle @EssendonFC
He's the only "big fish" i don't want at the tigers next year. No thanks!
dougey if i was the rfc i would cancel your membership for sheer stupidity..not wanting carlisle....lol :lol
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2015, 12:21:59 PM
Well well well

Tom Browne from Ch7 news reporting on Twitter that we've made enquiries and even put a trade offer for Carlisle to Essendon

@TomBrowne7: I can reveal @Richmond offered @EssendonFC about 12 and second round next season. Tigers having crack. @EssendonFC rejected at this stage

@TomBrowne7: Clearly most likely he'll go to @stkildafc , but point is @Richmond_FC circling #carlisle @EssendonFC
They asked Brett Anderson on SEN just now about us and Carlisle. He said "no". So someone is telling porkies  ;D.

Also Shane Edwards is going nowhere as far as rumours about him.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 15, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
Well well well

Tom Browne from Ch7 news reporting on Twitter that we've made enquiries and even put a trade offer for Carlisle to Essendon

@TomBrowne7: I can reveal @Richmond offered @EssendonFC about 12 and second round next season. Tigers having crack. @EssendonFC rejected at this stage

@TomBrowne7: Clearly most likely he'll go to @stkildafc , but point is @Richmond_FC circling #carlisle @EssendonFC
He's the only "big fish" i don't want at the tigers next year. No thanks!
dougey if i was the rfc i would cancel your membership for sheer stupidity..not wanting carlisle....lol :lol
Not very nice! I didn't like his attitude towards Essendon at the end of this season. He's a gun, I'm not questioning that, and he'd fit in perfectly down back. But just not sold on it personally.

Could mean we can trade Astbury and use that pick for Yarran.

But, apparantly it was all short lived and not happening.
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: scjhammo on October 15, 2015, 12:29:58 PM
I honestly don't think anyone knows whats going on with any trade... should like doggy car salesman to me :lol :lol
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 12:41:07 PM
So Tom Browne is lying? I thought the quote was he revealed we had put in a bid.

i was told, kb said we in for him

 :clapping
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 12:42:22 PM
i was also told, from a wise opposition supporter

that a carlise, rance, jack, deledio, rance, cotchin laden side would be frightening

and, a 7th 'a' grader could be the tipping point for a flag



 :shh
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 12:43:59 PM
folk essendon
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 15, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
So Tom Browne is lying? I thought the quote was he revealed we had put in a bid.

I'd go with Tom Browne

he's pretty good. He was the first to announce Carlisle preference was the Saints so....
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 15, 2015, 01:25:52 PM
Dan and Blair have tabled an offer to Bombers and Carslile but once again rejected by all parties in favor of a deal involving hawks, north, blues and any other club in the league.

Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 15, 2015, 01:26:31 PM
But it takes another twist

Twitter all a flutter via the AGE that Hawthorn have entered the race for Carlisile, possible deal involving Anderson and picks

@mickgleeson: Big trade move. Hawks could scupper Saints on Carlisle. North could get Anderson. Bombers end up with two first round picks @RealFooty1

Love this time of year  :rollin
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 15, 2015, 01:36:57 PM
appears Hawks offering picks 15 & 18 for Carlisle and Essendon happy with that

Also involves Adnerson going to N0rt

Clarke supposedly trying to speak to him now

All Jake has to say is Yes says Steveo

@Stevo7AFL: Ess very happy with 15 and 18 for Carlisle ... Bombers would end up with five picks inside top 25. All Carlisle has to do is say yes to Haw.

Hmm lets see if Jake is a man of his word or not ...will he hold firm and stay committed to the Aints  :rollin
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: (•))(©™ on October 15, 2015, 01:38:32 PM
Dan and Blair have tabled an offer to Bombers and Carslile but once again rejected by all parties in favor of a deal involving hawks, north, blues and any other club in the league.

Lmao @ RFC still not bieng a desired destination,

Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 15, 2015, 01:40:57 PM
Dan and Blair have tabled an offer to Bombers and Carslile but once again rejected by all parties in favor of a deal involving hawks, north, blues and any other club in the league.

Lmao @ RFC still not bieng a desired destination,

they tried mate. Apparently our offer of first round in 2015, 2016, and 2017 just couldnt get the chocolates on this occasion.

Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 01:42:27 PM
Bloody hell
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 15, 2015, 02:12:07 PM
This smells fishy.
Hawks were saying they haven't got a lot of cap space just the other day.....

Maybe the Bombers are just trying to force Saints hand to give up pick 5.....

Isn't Jake OS anyway? How is Clarkson going to sit down and have a chat with him unless all of this will just be done over the phone.... :whistle
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Brett Anderson said Richmond rang into SEN within 35 seconds of them talking about it to say there's no interest in Carlisle.

The Hawthorn is offer is real though. So it's down to whether Carlisle sticks true to wanting to go to St Kilda or is tempted now by the Hawks.

Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 15, 2015, 02:17:12 PM
Brett Anderson said Richmond rang into SEN within 35 seconds of them talking about it to say there's no interest in Carlisle.
Who to believe....
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2015, 02:30:36 PM
Surprise surprise ... SEN saying Carlisle has said he would be willing to go to Hawthorn if a trade with St Kilda can't be done  :whistle.
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on October 15, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
Surprise surprise ... SEN saying Carlisle has said he would be willing to go to Hawthorn if a trade with St Kilda can't be done  :whistle.

Well well well, Introduction of Gold Coast, GWS and F.A it's done wonders for the game hasn't it?  :whistle
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2015, 02:36:39 PM
The Hawks are attempting to snare Carlisle in a three-way deal that, according to reports, would see:

    Hawthorn parts with pick No.18 and Anderson for Carlisle;
    North receives Anderson and Essendon's pick No.41 in exchange for pick No.15, and,
    Essendon receives picks No.15 and 18 for Carlisle and pick No.41.

It is understood that if Carlisle and Anderson agree to be part of the deal it could be signed off on as early as Thursday afternoon.

Any change of heart from Carlisle would be a massive turnaround in one week. On October 8, he told NAB AFL Trade Radio, "From 2016 onwards I will be at the St Kilda footy club. 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-15/hawks-emerge-as-shock-carlisle-suitor
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: 🏅Dooks on October 15, 2015, 02:44:38 PM
Bang.

You snooze you lose saints.

Take note Richmond
Title: Re: Richmond has put in a trade offer for Jake Calisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 15, 2015, 03:47:21 PM
This smells fishy.
Hawks were saying they haven't got a lot of cap space just the other day.....

Maybe the Bombers are just trying to force Saints hand to give up pick 5.....

Isn't Jake OS anyway? How is Clarkson going to sit down and have a chat with him unless all of this will just be done over the phone.... :whistle

Being done via phone the Clarko chat

That crazy critter Twitter is saying Hawks have limited space in 2016 but have space freed up from 2017

Hawks don't have to offer the same terms as those being offered by Saints. He isn't a free agent so he would need to agree to a deal with Hawks

AFL website saying Carlisle has agreed to go to Hawthorn IF a deal with St Kilda can't be done

Let's see if the Saints blink and offer pick 5 now  :rollin

Still think Tigers spoke to Bombers...  ;D
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: tony_montana on October 15, 2015, 04:58:31 PM
Of course they didn't

We're pretty well stocked with KPD's
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2015, 05:10:27 PM
Yeah but not good ones....
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 15, 2015, 05:51:33 PM
Fact

Tigers made an offer

Source dedoro

stuff we are pathetic.
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Penelope on October 15, 2015, 05:56:11 PM
you forgot the !!!!
and the  :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 07:10:50 PM
Fact

Tigers made an offer

Source dedoro

stuff we are pathetic.

push push push

go tiges
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2015, 08:21:58 PM
Fact

Tigers made an offer

Source dedoro

The Herald Sun revealed Richmond had also inquired about Carlisle, which Dodoro last night described as “fact” on radio.

http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-hawthorn-richmond-enter-race-for-jake-carlisle/story-fnj3twbb-1227569967938
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 15, 2015, 08:33:51 PM
Fact

Tigers made an offer

Source dedoro

The Herald Sun revealed Richmond had also inquired about Carlisle, which Dodoro last night described as “fact” on radio.

http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-hawthorn-richmond-enter-race-for-jake-carlisle/story-fnj3twbb-1227569967938

After a 3 hour drive home I can finally post

I heard the Dodoro interview on SEN

Dodoro said RFC made an offer yesterday (WEd) FACT he said

RFC sent a TXT 10 seconds after that went to air and said it is NOT true, they made no offer

Porky central it seems  ;D

Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: 🏅Dooks on October 15, 2015, 08:36:38 PM
Fact

Tigers made an offer

Source dedoro

The Herald Sun revealed Richmond had also inquired about Carlisle, which Dodoro last night described as “fact” on radio.

http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-hawthorn-richmond-enter-race-for-jake-carlisle/story-fnj3twbb-1227569967938

After a 3 hour drive home I can finally post

I heard the Dodoro interview on SEN

Dodoro said RFC made an offer yesterday (WEd) FACT he said

RFC sent a TXT 10 seconds after that went to air and said it is NOT true, they made no offer

Porky central it seems  ;D
From the club.

It's all about integrity and transparency. Who do you trust?
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 15, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
In this case i trust the club. Dodoro is doing all he can to make the saints cough up pick 5. :shh
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Owl on October 15, 2015, 08:49:29 PM
Dildoro is a stuffing liar. 
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: pmac21 on October 15, 2015, 09:36:28 PM
Why would any club trade quality players to the Hawks making them virtually unbeatable again by topping up??  This deal doesn't make sense for so many reasons.
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on October 15, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
Why would any club trade quality players to the Hawks making them virtually unbeatable again by topping up??  This deal doesn't make sense for so many reasons.

better draft picks ?
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: mightytiges on October 15, 2015, 11:56:20 PM
Tough choice for Carli$le. The reigning 3-peat premiers still in their prime versus 1 flag (by a wobbly kicked point) in 118 years down in the bottom 4.

https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpt1/v/t43.1792-2/12051172_1647126212237613_1176086325_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjE1MDAsInJsYSI6MTAyNCwidmVuY29kZV90YWciOiJoZCJ9&rl=1500&vabr=700&oh=4a1a8d4907be9b5f987d76b930964844&oe=561F8F2C (https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpt1/v/t43.1792-2/12051172_1647126212237613_1176086325_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjE1MDAsInJsYSI6MTAyNCwidmVuY29kZV90YWciOiJoZCJ9&rl=1500&vabr=700&oh=4a1a8d4907be9b5f987d76b930964844&oe=561F8F2C)

 ;D
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 16, 2015, 02:17:43 PM
good ol blair hartley gets a mention in the carlisle didnt he or did he get offered a contract. You get the feeling Blair has no idea what he is doing.

Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Penelope on October 16, 2015, 02:32:30 PM
 :lol

funny stuff
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 16, 2015, 02:36:54 PM
good ol blair hartley gets a mention in the carlisle didnt he or did he get offered a contract. You get the feeling Blair has no idea what he is doing.

Have been saying it for a while now but up until now no one believed me  :rollin
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 16, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
to tell you the truth as soon i heard blairs name i immediately had this picture of you grinning WP

I would love to know what gives with that bloke. A mate of mine from adel shares many of the same thoughts.
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2015, 04:22:46 PM
Dodoro caught telling fibs again. St Kilda has put an offer to the Bombers.

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2015-10-16/saints-make-offer-to-bombers
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Chuck17 on October 23, 2015, 10:36:04 PM
Thanks all the stuffing stuff we didn't
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on January 14, 2016, 11:55:28 PM
Jake needles is now at the saints

Yet Hurley is pretty much the same but more of a flog

Hooker is highly rated  - Either would be vastly superior to troy the boat who will incredible slow by r1 2017


As for the next season, hopefully astbury Griffiths or elton full the finger out. Moore possibly too
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: mat073 on January 15, 2016, 10:37:54 AM
Chaplin > Carlise
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on January 15, 2016, 10:53:39 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Andyy on January 17, 2016, 06:55:17 PM
Time to make a move on BOTH Hurley and Hooker.

Frees up Rance to be 2nd/3rd tall and do more rebounding work. Along with Houli and Yarran would be nice coming out of D50.

Hurley - Rance - Hooker
Yarran - Grimes - Houli

Vlastuin to the midfield.
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on January 18, 2016, 07:44:02 AM
Na one or the other
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Stalin on April 27, 2016, 12:12:38 PM
No hooker
No Carlisle

Third time the charm? 
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Andyy on April 28, 2016, 01:28:48 PM
I guess you'd rather Hurley out of the three anyway wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Richmond has NOT put in a trade offer for Jake Carlisle [update]
Post by: Penelope on April 28, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
still dirty we didnt get carlisle