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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 05, 2016, 07:02:26 PM
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VFL Round 5
Port Melbourne (2-2, 8th) vs Richmond (1-3, 10th)
Saturday, 7th May @ North Port Oval.
Start time: 2:00 PM
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Richmond's VFL squad
B: 36. C Moore 12. D Astbury 65. R Gale
HB: 51. S Darley 35. N Broad 7. B Lennon
C: 60. T Langford 15. A Moore 28. T Hunt
HF: 71. N Mellington 73. T Couch 54. J Ballard
F: 41. M Chol 34. L McBean 55. R Bathie
R: 20. I Maric 44. A Marcon 21. J Townsend
Int: 31. O Markov, 40. D Butler, 75. K Williams, 52. A Scott, 80. A Forato, 59. A Morris, 64. T Silvestro, 74. T Kruse
23P: 78. D Coffield
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0&sID=325269&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=43466069
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Richmond's VFL squad
B: 36. C Moore 12. D Astbury 65. R Gale
HB: 51. S Darley 35. N Broad 7. B Lennon
C: 60. T Langford 15. A Moore 28. T Hunt
HF: 71. N Mellington 73. T Couch 54. J Ballard
F: 41. M Chol 34. L McBean 55. R Bathie
R: 20. I Maric 44. A Marcon 21. J Townsend
Int: 31. O Markov, 40. D Butler, 75. K Williams, 52. A Scott, 80. A Forato, 59. A Morris, 64. T Silvestro, 74. T Kruse
23P: 78. D Coffield
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0&sID=325269&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=43466069
I hope they don't persist with Lennon back. He is not a backman. Nowhere near desperate enough.
Play him forward and leave him there.
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Ballard back. Good.
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Ballard back. Good.
Back ? hasnt played a bloody game yet
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Ballard back. Good.
Back ? hasnt played a bloody game yet
He played preseason didn't he?
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Ballard back. Good.
Back ? hasnt played a bloody game yet
He played preseason didn't he?
1 game only IIRC
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Ballard back. Good.
Back ? hasnt played a bloody game yet
He played preseason didn't he?
1 game only IIRC
Still qualifies him as "back" IMESHO. :shh
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Ballard>Townsend>Moore :shh
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5 mins in - no score as far.
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Make that 9 mins and Port are first on the board.
Rich 0
Port 6
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Make that two to Port.
0 - 12
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Another to Port :P. Let's hope they have the breeze this qtr :help.
Rich 0
Port 18
13 mins Q1
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A blast from the past now at Port Melbourne (with an extra 't'):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch021beUgAItS-P.jpg)
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Much better ball movement sees Jacob Townsend find Oleg Markov inside-50, but equates to a minor score.
Rich 1
Port 19
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Coast-to-coast goal to Port.
Rich 1
Port 25
22 mins Q1
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Is it snowing at the ground.. ;D
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More like raining goals to the Borough :P.
25 degrees and sunny but very blowy.
Finally, we get our first.
Ben Lennon kicks a goal, courtesy of a free kick inside-50.
Rich 1.1-7
Port 4.2-26
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Quarter time
After a tight first 8 mins, Port Melbourne slammed on four unanswered goals and hold a 20-point lead.
Richmond 1.1-7
Port Melb. 4.3-27
Goal: Lennon
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McBean gets the first of the 2nd qtr but Port get it straight back.
Rich 13
Port 33
5 mins Q2
https://twitter.com/RichmondVFL/with_replies
https://twitter.com/PortMelbourneFC/with_replies
I've got to head out now. If someone can take over and post updates it'll be much appreciated.
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Port 8.5.53 to tigers 4.1.25
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From a Big Footy poster at the match (caps are his, not mine):
Dimma and his 3 assistant clowns are JUST LIKE US ALL THEY DO IS MOUTH OFF AT THE UMPIRES AND pee FART AROUND LAUGHING
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From Twitter:
Q3: A Dave Astbury mis-kick across goal hands @PortMelbourneFC the easiest of majors. PORT 69 to RICH 32 #gotiges #PJVFL
:facepalm
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3/4 time
"Glimpses of improvement in ball movement and intensity that quarter."
Richmond 1.1 4.2 5.3-33
Port Melb. 4.3 9.6 11.9-75
Goals: Lennon, McBean, Butler, Marcon, Silvestro
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:gotigers
:clapping
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From Twitter:
Q3: A Dave Astbury mis-kick across goal hands @PortMelbourneFC the easiest of majors. PORT 69 to RICH 32 #gotiges #PJVFL
:facepalm
:pullhair :pullhair
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Richmond VFL @RichmondVFL 8m8 minutes ago
Q4: Oleg Markov is a fraction late with the spoil, which results in a 50m penalty and a goal to follow. PORT 82 to RICH 33 #gotiges
Richmond VFL @RichmondVFL 1m1 minute ago
Q4: @PortMelbourneFC peppering the goals and lead by 54 points at the 17min mark. PORT 87 to RICH 33 #gotiges #PJVFL
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Lol
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"I have the blueprint to success." Hardwick
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Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Port Melbourne 4.3 9.6 11.9 13.16 (94)
Richmond 1.1 4.2 5.3 8.3 (51)
GOALS:
Port Melbourne: Pearson 2 Sandilands 2 Halsall 2 Hayes Mascitti Tynan Clarke Scipione Dixon Urban
Richmond : McBean 2 Silvestro Butler Marcon Scott Townsend Forato
BEST:
Port Melbourne: Mascitti Tynan Lange Tynan Haretuku Halsall
Richmond : Marcon Couch Darley Hunt Broad Forato
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
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I'm angry.
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I'm furious
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Has anyone told the club that tanking in the VFL doesn't land you draft picks? :shh
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Has anyone told the club that tanking in the VFL doesn't land you draft picks? :shh
They're so stuffing stupid
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A blast from the past now at Port Melbourne (with an extra 't'):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch021beUgAItS-P.jpg)
Probably getting proper development now and will be a rookie bargain this year :shh
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Have they let him bulk up again and play in the guts?
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Based on that:
In: Hunt
:banghead
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Worrying that Lennon isn't in the bests more often.
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For Richmond, rookie Adam Marcon, the ex-Northern Blues and Williamstown player, stood out for his use of the ball and Tom Couch and Taylor Hunt for their endeavour.
Ahead of the season the Tigers put a lot of effort into improving their VFL program. At 1-4, they’re not seeing the results.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/localfooty/tynan-brothers-have-56-touches-between-them-as-port-sees-off-richmond/news-story/f30683da6c62696daedfe2d0da6f07d9
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VFL Tigers outclassed by Port Melbourne
richmondfc.com.au
8 May 2016
Richmond’s VFL side suffered its third consecutive loss, as it went down to Port Melbourne by 43 points at North Port Oval.
The Borough held the Tigers at bay for the majority of the match and ran out deserved winners, 13.16 (94) to 8.3 (51).
After a tight opening eight minutes, with neither side troubling the scorers, it was The Borough who grabbed the early ascendency on the scoreboard.
Richmond was defending admirably, with key-back Ryan Gale dominating in the air early on, but the visitors just couldn’t find a target forward of centre to finish off their work.
The back-six was working with cohesion and propelling Port’s early forays forward, but as the defenders propelled, the Tigers struggled to maintain possession and get the game on their terms.
The Tigers had to wait until the 28-minute mark of the first term to hit the scoreboard, as Ben Lennon converted after being awarded a free kick.
Richmond’s first quarter performance could have been summed-up in one snippet as Dan Butler streamed into an open goal, to only be denied by a desperate smother from a Port defender.
Tigers’ VFL coach Craig McRae wanted a concerted lift in the side’s intensity at the contest in his quarter-time address and implored his charges to spread the load.
“I just thought at quarter-time we had too many passengers in that area (contest) and we just weren’t strong enough and we coughed the ball up too easily,” McRae said.
“I thought it was left to too few, so I challenged that."
McRae also urged the Tigers to be predictable to each other, to play their style and get the game back on their terms.
The second term began positively for Richmond, as key-tall Liam McBean made-up for his turnover going inside-50 by capping off some excellent work by Nathan Broad.
McBean handed the Tigers the first major of the quarter, and a slither of momentum, which was quickly evaporated as The Borough hit-back almost instantly.
Port nailed five-goals-to-three with the wind in the second term, as the Tigers’ forwards struggled to adapt to the conditions, constantly giving up front position as Port’s defenders intercepted at will.
Goals to McBean, Butler and Marcon kept the Tigers in the hunt, but Port simply out-pressured and out-worked the visitors and took a 34-point lead into the main change.
The second-half was relatively even, with the Tigers improving in the contest and garnered improved flow in their ball movement, but never really mounted a significant challenge.
In the end, in an error-riddled game based on turnovers, The Borough capitalised better and took their chances when they presented.
McRae held the group behind closed doors after the game as they sit 1–5 and strive to improve.
“I went through every player and talked about when they’re at their best, what they bring to the table and their strengths,” McRae said.
“I’m a strengths-based coach.
“We talked about the guys that are displaying theirs (strengths) and the ones that aren’t.
“Fundamentally, if you want to be a good team, the more players that bring their strengths to the table is the reason why you’re a good team.
“We went into the game thinking we needed to have a really strong effort at the contest.
“You play them (Port Melbourne) down here (North Port Oval), we knew how tough it was going to be.
“You look for positives within the game, I think in the second half it was pretty even.
“I think right now we’re working really, really hard in elements of the game and you cough-up turnovers which teams go down and score, obviously.
“Conversely, we worked really hard to turn the ball over and we don’t capitalise, that’s the nutshell of the game.
“In the end, our contest was reasonably even, the tackles were reasonably even, I think we might have won but then you say, ‘Just tidy up the other parts of the game’."
Richmond wingman Taylor Hunt (25 disposals) endeavoured to lift his side, while Adam Marcon (27 disposals) and Tom Couch (24 disposals) battled tirelessly against the tide.
The Tigers face North Ballarat at Punt Rd Oval at 4:30pm on Saturday 14 May in a curtain raiser to the AFL side’s clash with Sydney at the MCG.
www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-05-08/vfl-tigers-outclassed-by-port
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A blast from the past now at Port Melbourne (with an extra 't'):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch021beUgAItS-P.jpg)
Probably getting proper development now and will be a rookie bargain this year :shh
Yeah right, he hasnt played a game for them & is going that good he isn't even listed on their website as a player
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So McRae at least likes players to play their strengths....well that alone makes him a better coach than Half-Step....
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MCrae sounds exactly the same as Dimma, in fact if you copied his comments and applied to our AFL side its pretty much the same issues. That in itself tells me something is seriously wrong somewhere, whether its the types of players we recruit or the style of game they are encouraged to play. Either way its not working in the VFL or AFL which doesnt provide for much optimism moving forward.
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I bet Arnot is a handy player
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I bet Arnot is a handy player
see reply #40
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So McRae at least likes players to play their strengths....well that alone makes him a better coach than Half-Step....
He also seems to only talk to the players about their strengths. It's all well and good to concentrate on players strengths, positive enforcement blah blah,but how do you improve if you dont address the weaknesses?
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I bet Arnot is a handy player
see reply #40
Well there you go
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So McRae at least likes players to play their strengths....well that alone makes him a better coach than Half-Step....
He also seems to only talk to the players about their strengths. It's all well and good to concentrate on players strengths, positive enforcement blah blah,but how do you improve if you dont address the weaknesses?
You're better off getting your strengths sorted out than trying to improve your weaknesses.
Ideally the team has players that have complementing strengths so overall there are no weaknesses...
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what do you have sort out about your strengths? you are already good at that.
it is improving your weaknesses that will make you a better player.
do you allow a player who works hard forward of the ball but is lazy as poo when the opposition have possession to continue to do so and just keep encouraging him to work hard forward and ignore his unwillingness to work back?
do you allow a ruckman who is a great tap ruckman but just stands there watching once the ball hits the ground and doesn't take a mark around the ground to continue on that way and only concentrate on what he already good at?
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what do you have sort out about your strengths? you are already good at that.
it is improving your weaknesses that will make you a better player.
do you allow a player who works hard forward of the ball but is lazy as poo when the opposition have possession to continue to do so and just keep encouraging him to work hard forward and ignore his unwillingness to work back?
do you allow a ruckman who is a great tap ruckman but just stands there watching once the ball hits the ground and doesn't take a mark around the ground to continue on that way and only concentrate on what he already good at?
You are looking at it incorrectly. If you are lazy, chances are you're always going to be lazy. If you can't take a mark when you are recruited, chances are you're never going to be a good mark.
The best example is kicking. If you can't kick at 17 you're not going to be an elite kick ever.
What you are talking about is development through childhood and adolescence. I'm talking about players past that point. Hopefully you recruit players that don't have major deficiencies. Their strengths though are what attracted you to them and do if you can hoan them you create weapons. You build a team that has many different weapons.
The best example is if you're a poor shot for goal. What's the point of trying to make someone a great shot for goal as you'll almost certainly fail. If they are a reasonable field kick and a great mark, play them in the backline. Utilize their strengths. There's no point wasting your time on things that should have been worked on years ago.
Also I think we are also talking about PLAYING to ones strengths compared to DEVELOPING ones strengths or weaknesses. Sure you should try to improve areas of your game that are weaker but you should use your strengths during a game. What's the point of trying to use your weaknesses more than your strengths?
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im not talking about what you use during a game, but what aspects the coaches concentrate on to make you a better player.
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im not talking about what you use during a game, but what aspects the coaches concentrate on to make you a better player.
Fair enough but what McRae was eluding was the former, not the latter.
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Went down to game on Sat (from Canberra so take any opportunity to see Tiges when in Melbourne).
Few general thoughts. Our VFL team unfortunately has many of the same issues as our seniors. So many poor turnovers and bandpasses missing the mark. Our ball movement was slow and predictable and we kick to contests never giving our more skilled forwards 1 v 1 opportunities. Port on the other hand moved the ball with long kicks and looked much more dangerous with ball in hand. Stood next to Chocco. He was losing his mind at how many of our blokes were behind their man and got out marked when a scrubby kick came forward. With regards to individuals:
Marcon - Cracked in hard and was our best mid. Can't see him ever making it in the AFL though. Seems quite small out there and isn't particularly athletic or explosive.
Hunt - Got plenty of the ball but plays a very loose role sitting free on the opposite flank. Went to water anytime there was contact, much like he does in the AFL. Didn't see much run and carry from him either. Should be delisted at seasons end.
A Moore - Just looked at the stats and noticed he had 24 possies. Honestly didn't even notice him. Not damaging in the slightest. Why did we recruit him again?
Broad - Did a couple of things that were 'AFL like'. Some good intercept marks and one particularly good square up kick on his left to McBean where he showed plenty of composure. Actually is a reasonable long kick as well. Shocking short kick though. Unfortunately he's kind of the inverse Jake Batchelor in that his offensive work is up to AFL level but he's pretty poor defensively. Get's beaten in 1 v 1's a lot. Don't think he'll make it but would like to see him get a couple games soon.
Townsend - Was poor like Moore i thought. When he did get the ball he butchered it like he has in the AFL and got caught twice holding the ball trying to do too much. There's no upside here unfortunately guys.
Astbury - Was solid except for one shocking turnover late from a kick across goal. He's a good VFL defender and doesn't get beaten 1 v 1. The problem is he doesn't show any AFL attributes fm. Still just looks slow. I think he's reasonable depth but probably shouldn't be best 22 if we're pushing forward
Butler - Was quiet to begin but really came into the game in the 2nd half. Played as more of a high half forward than a goalsneak. Did some good things and showed some dash but did some things as well which make me question whether he's a very smart footballer. Was wide open on the lead in one instance and just ran under the ball in almost comical fashion. Chocco lost his mind here again. Feel like we're trying him in that Dahlhaus type role as a high hff but i think he lacks the footy smarts.
C Moore - Certainly a specimen. Athletic and physical. Not sure how tall he is but looked smaller (193 i would have guessed) than other kph players. Was moved forward in the 2nd half and didn't seem to have much of a clue. Took one very good grab but seems a long way off.
McBean - I've been a huge proponent of getting mcBean in the 1's (admittedly having not watched him play live). Unfortunately, I lost hope on Sat that he would ever make it in the AFL. He was lazy and repeatedly got caught behind giving up easy marks. Chocco was blowing up. Lacks any kind of a physical presence. Seems rather one dimensional as a lead mark type guy with good skills. Probably doesn't help that the ball is put on his head a bit but he's essentially Ty Vickery but in the VFL. Extremely frustrating.
Chol - Looks great when he times his run and jump properly. Has nice clean hands as well. Seeing him live he might be skinny at this point but he's got a great frame and should fill out to be a pretty impressive physique. Gets caught in no mans land a lot at this point (i.e. 2 or 3 m's of pack). Not near AFL ready but I think there's a bit to work with.
Lennon - Only played the first half (anyone know why?). is noticeably clean at this level despite dropping a few marks he would normally take. Looks like he should dominate but just kinda doesn't. Not sure about his tank still and as he was still playing forward. I'd rather see him getting some run in his legs on the wing at VFL level. Reckon this guy might continue to frustrate..
Markov - Barely touched in the first half but did a couple of things in the 3/4 quarter that were really impressive. His speed and willingness to take the game on was noticeable. If he fills out he will be a good size as well. Just needs to start finding the footy.
Maric - Ivan is cooked. It was actually quite sad watching him labour around the ground and have little to no impact. Won plenty of hitouts but doesn't have the impact at ground level or aerially he used to. Can't say I saw a lot of his vaunted leadership also. Chocco was imploring him to impact contest and he just couldn't do it. I think we might see a lot more of Hampson for the rest of the season.
Think that's everyone. I know we want to see kids played but no one is putting there hand up at this point. Pretty unimpressive stuff.
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Thanks HOD :thumbsup
Pretty grim stuff in the twos. Although I am looking forward to seeing how Markov develops.
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Brilliant HOD!!!
Thanks so much for that albeit a little disheartening. :clapping :clapping
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Well that was depressing
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Thanks for the report, HoD :thumbsup.
Lennon - Only played the first half (anyone know why?).
Lennon has had two concussions in 3 weeks in the VFL. So he's very unlikely to play this week in either grade.
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I think there's a common theme coming out of HOD's match report......
Slow, lazy, doesn't have a clue and not fit enough.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. ™
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Went down to game on Sat (from Canberra so take any opportunity to see Tiges when in Melbourne).
Few general thoughts. Our VFL team unfortunately has many of the same issues as our seniors. So many poor turnovers and bandpasses missing the mark. Our ball movement was slow and predictable and we kick to contests never giving our more skilled forwards 1 v 1 opportunities. Port on the other hand moved the ball with long kicks and looked much more dangerous with ball in hand. Stood next to Chocco. He was losing his mind at how many of our blokes were behind their man and got out marked when a scrubby kick came forward. With regards to individuals:
Marcon - Cracked in hard and was our best mid. Can't see him ever making it in the AFL though. Seems quite small out there and isn't particularly athletic or explosive.
Hunt - Got plenty of the ball but plays a very loose role sitting free on the opposite flank. Went to water anytime there was contact, much like he does in the AFL. Didn't see much run and carry from him either. Should be delisted at seasons end.
A Moore - Just looked at the stats and noticed he had 24 possies. Honestly didn't even notice him. Not damaging in the slightest. Why did we recruit him again?
Broad - Did a couple of things that were 'AFL like'. Some good intercept marks and one particularly good square up kick on his left to McBean where he showed plenty of composure. Actually is a reasonable long kick as well. Shocking short kick though. Unfortunately he's kind of the inverse Jake Batchelor in that his offensive work is up to AFL level but he's pretty poor defensively. Get's beaten in 1 v 1's a lot. Don't think he'll make it but would like to see him get a couple games soon.
Townsend - Was poor like Moore i thought. When he did get the ball he butchered it like he has in the AFL and got caught twice holding the ball trying to do too much. There's no upside here unfortunately guys.
Astbury - Was solid except for one shocking turnover late from a kick across goal. He's a good VFL defender and doesn't get beaten 1 v 1. The problem is he doesn't show any AFL attributes fm. Still just looks slow. I think he's reasonable depth but probably shouldn't be best 22 if we're pushing forward
Butler - Was quiet to begin but really came into the game in the 2nd half. Played as more of a high half forward than a goalsneak. Did some good things and showed some dash but did some things as well which make me question whether he's a very smart footballer. Was wide open on the lead in one instance and just ran under the ball in almost comical fashion. Chocco lost his mind here again. Feel like we're trying him in that Dahlhaus type role as a high hff but i think he lacks the footy smarts.
C Moore - Certainly a specimen. Athletic and physical. Not sure how tall he is but looked smaller (193 i would have guessed) than other kph players. Was moved forward in the 2nd half and didn't seem to have much of a clue. Took one very good grab but seems a long way off.
McBean - I've been a huge proponent of getting mcBean in the 1's (admittedly having not watched him play live). Unfortunately, I lost hope on Sat that he would ever make it in the AFL. He was lazy and repeatedly got caught behind giving up easy marks. Chocco was blowing up. Lacks any kind of a physical presence. Seems rather one dimensional as a lead mark type guy with good skills. Probably doesn't help that the ball is put on his head a bit but he's essentially Ty Vickery but in the VFL. Extremely frustrating.
Chol - Looks great when he times his run and jump properly. Has nice clean hands as well. Seeing him live he might be skinny at this point but he's got a great frame and should fill out to be a pretty impressive physique. Gets caught in no mans land a lot at this point (i.e. 2 or 3 m's of pack). Not near AFL ready but I think there's a bit to work with.
Lennon - Only played the first half (anyone know why?). is noticeably clean at this level despite dropping a few marks he would normally take. Looks like he should dominate but just kinda doesn't. Not sure about his tank still and as he was still playing forward. I'd rather see him getting some run in his legs on the wing at VFL level. Reckon this guy might continue to frustrate..
Markov - Barely touched in the first half but did a couple of things in the 3/4 quarter that were really impressive. His speed and willingness to take the game on was noticeable. If he fills out he will be a good size as well. Just needs to start finding the footy.
Maric - Ivan is cooked. It was actually quite sad watching him labour around the ground and have little to no impact. Won plenty of hitouts but doesn't have the impact at ground level or aerially he used to. Can't say I saw a lot of his vaunted leadership also. Chocco was imploring him to impact contest and he just couldn't do it. I think we might see a lot more of Hampson for the rest of the season.
Think that's everyone. I know we want to see kids played but no one is putting there hand up at this point. Pretty unimpressive stuff.
So after watching one game you can write off McBean?
One dimensional?? Lead, mark, kick with good skills??
The guy is 200cm tall and is brilliant at ground level. He had a good set of hands and kicks the ball beautifully. He would be a tough match up in any forwardline.
He has kicked a lot of goals over the last 3 years so he at least deserves another crack at AFL level.
A guy like McBean IMO would be a better player at a better level. Some guys just are.
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Thanks for the report Heart of darkness......now to find the closest bridge to jump off.
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Good review Heart of Darkness.
Nothing in the reserves to get excited about. Play the same bad game plan as seniors.
Rumour on Lennon is that he has had a couple of concussions. Hard to fathom why they would risk such a valuable asset at that level but its the RFC.
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Thanks for the report Heart of darkness......now to find the closest bridge to jump off.
:lol
it was like reading an obituary
cheers though :thumbsup
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I suspect most of our kids would start showing more & developing a lot quicker playing alongside Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt , Rance, Deledio, Vlastuin & Miles rather than the likes of Luke Conca, Bathie, Hunt & A. Moore.....
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what a crazy theory
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McBean - I've been a huge proponent of getting mcBean in the 1's (admittedly having not watched him play live). Unfortunately, I lost hope on Sat that he would ever make it in the AFL. He was lazy and repeatedly got caught behind giving up easy marks. Chocco was blowing up. Lacks any kind of a physical presence. Seems rather one dimensional as a lead mark type guy with good skills. Probably doesn't help that the ball is put on his head a bit but he's essentially Ty Vickery but in the VFL. Extremely frustrating.
Probably seeming like a jilted ex lover but it's funny how anyone who goes to the games and watches him play can see why he's not getting a game and aren't holding out hope for him to be our savior and the ones who only look at the stats thinks he's the next Carey (in terms of overall impact not style).
Still should plonk him in the AFL though and see how he goes
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McBean - I've been a huge proponent of getting mcBean in the 1's (admittedly having not watched him play live). Unfortunately, I lost hope on Sat that he would ever make it in the AFL. He was lazy and repeatedly got caught behind giving up easy marks. Chocco was blowing up. Lacks any kind of a physical presence. Seems rather one dimensional as a lead mark type guy with good skills. Probably doesn't help that the ball is put on his head a bit but he's essentially Ty Vickery but in the VFL. Extremely frustrating.
Probably seeming like a jilted ex lover but it's funny how anyone who goes to the games and watches him play can see why he's not getting a game and aren't holding out hope for him to be our savior and the ones who only look at the stats thinks he's the next Carey (in terms of overall impact not style).
Still should plonk him in the AFL though and see how he goes
Yes all the hardcore fans are loving Chaplin up forward
:clapping
You gotta watch him train to fully appreciate
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Well I haven't been to the VFL yet this year but having seen most of his matches live during the first three years of his career, his high level of abilty & natural talent seemed fairly obvious to me, even though his work rate sometimes leaves a lot to be desired....but so does the team he plays in and the midfield he relies on....I'd also suggest the fact the he still manages to overcome all that and kick more goals than nearly every other forward in the competition, most playing in far better sides, is testament to his ability....and realy his flaws at 21 are the same that Vickery & Griffiths still have at 25 & 26....and he has better potential as a ruckman than both as well....though admittedly that's not saying much....
Would also argue he did quite well in his two AFL appearances, particularly the Collingwood match....and against Essendon did ok against an opponent he was giving away several kilos plus two decades & 398 matches of experience to...
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McBean - I've been a huge proponent of getting mcBean in the 1's (admittedly having not watched him play live). Unfortunately, I lost hope on Sat that he would ever make it in the AFL. He was lazy and repeatedly got caught behind giving up easy marks. Chocco was blowing up. Lacks any kind of a physical presence. Seems rather one dimensional as a lead mark type guy with good skills. Probably doesn't help that the ball is put on his head a bit but he's essentially Ty Vickery but in the VFL. Extremely frustrating.
Probably seeming like a jilted ex lover but it's funny how anyone who goes to the games and watches him play can see why he's not getting a game and aren't holding out hope for him to be our savior and the ones who only look at the stats thinks he's the next Carey (in terms of overall impact not style).
Still should plonk him in the AFL though and see how he goes
Yes all the hardcore fans are loving Chaplin up forward
:clapping
You gotta watch him train to fully appreciate
This has nothing to do with Chaplin, Vickery, Griff or any other spud. We it's like saying we should have Hunt in the team because he's an upgrade on Morris. Why replace duds with duds. Give us a hard working forward with some god damn skills
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McBean - I've been a huge proponent of getting mcBean in the 1's (admittedly having not watched him play live). Unfortunately, I lost hope on Sat that he would ever make it in the AFL. He was lazy and repeatedly got caught behind giving up easy marks. Chocco was blowing up. Lacks any kind of a physical presence. Seems rather one dimensional as a lead mark type guy with good skills. Probably doesn't help that the ball is put on his head a bit but he's essentially Ty Vickery but in the VFL. Extremely frustrating.
Probably seeming like a jilted ex lover but it's funny how anyone who goes to the games and watches him play can see why he's not getting a game and aren't holding out hope for him to be our savior and the ones who only look at the stats thinks he's the next Carey (in terms of overall impact not style).
Still should plonk him in the AFL though and see how he goes
Yes all the hardcore fans are loving Chaplin up forward
:clapping
You gotta watch him train to fully appreciate
This has nothing to do with Chaplin, Vickery, Griff or any other spud. We it's like saying we should have Hunt in the team because he's an upgrade on Morris. Why replace duds with duds. Give us a hard working forward with some god damn skills
Ummm ...
It's directly related as Chaplin is playing key forward and McBean is playing Vfl
You can compare duds with duds as there only so many players on the list
Chaplin is a 30 year old hack. McBean is a kid with medal for goal kicking awards
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I think players such as McBean and Lennon should be given a proper chance in the seniors. If they fail so be it but at least give them a chance. The game plan of Hardwick is stifling growth in players. If the game plan was changed I believe that players such as Lennon would shine. A change in coach could bring about positive development in the players.
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I think players such as McBean and Lennon should be given a proper chance in the seniors. If they fail so be it but at least give them a chance. The game plan of Hardwick is stifling growth in players. If the game plan was changed I believe that players such as Lennon would shine. A change in coach could bring about positive development in the players.
He will do everything in his power to come 9th
Play all his list blocking mates
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Must say, also surprised by HOD's assessment of Butler....from what I've seen, "lacking in footy smarts" is the last thing I'd say about him....
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Richmond’s VFL coach Craig McRae's summary:
AFL-listed
Adam Marcon
27 disposals, 17 uncontested possessions, six tackles, one goal
Continued his really good form at VFL level. He played a little on the wing this week, we’re looking to add another string to his bow and he was clearly one of our best players.
Taylor Hunt
25 disposals, 18 uncontested possessions, six marks, 11 handball receives
Continues to work hard. His workrate off the ball and ability to turn the footy over in defence is a real standout. We just need him to have better ball use with ball in hand to capitalise on the opportunities he has.
Andrew Moore
21 disposals, six clearances, three tackles, ten contested possessions
Played as an inside-mid and had six clearances but we just need him to play like a big-strong on-baller we know he’s capable of. He’s not far away from really tearing a game apart at this level.
Nathan Broad
18 disposals, six marks, five contested marks, 10 uncontested possessions
Played his best game as a defender for us, started on the wing, but went back and had significant impact for us. His six marks was a team-high for us on the day with his contested marking and rebounding a stand-out and was a really good contributor.
Dave Astbury
15 disposals, seven contested possessions, four marks
Came back to the VFL and played as a key-back. He was a strong competitor in the air, but choosing between marking and spoiling and killing contests are decisions he needs to get right. He was a solid contributor.
Dan Butler
15 disposals, 11 tackles, nine handball receives, one goal
He bounced back to some good form, 15 disposals and 11 tackles as a small-forward are good numbers and kicked a goal. Just getting a balance between his work inside-50 and outside-50 is something he's working on.
Jacob Townsend
13 disposals, six tackles, 11 uncontested possessions
An inside-mid and strong at the contest but we need to see more of the strengths he has. His seven free-kicks against is a balance he needs to find between hardness at the ball and the man and something he needs to really work on.
Oleg Markov
11 disposals, four tackles, three inside-50s
Played as a forward to start with, we wanted to see him play in a different role. He had minimal impact so we moved him to a wing and half-back. His contest stuff was good and he’s got some real upside for us.
Callum Moore
11 disposals, six marks, four hardball gets
Started as a back and after half-time we moved him forward to provide a bit of spark in the forward-line. He continues to jump at the ball and show some real athletic qualities. We’ll continue down that path with him.
Ivan Maric
36 hit-outs, four clearances, four tackles, nine disposals
Returned from AFL opportunity, came back and dominated hit-outs, had four clearances himself, but only the nine disposals. We need his big-strong leadership to make other players stand taller.
Liam McBean
One goal, nine disposals, three marks
Struggled on the day. He had limited opportunity early, but his connection with the other forwards was poor. We need a stronger four-quarter contribution from him.
Ben Lennon
Six disposals, one goal
Unfortunately had another head-clash in the second quarter and failed to return in the second half. That’s two (head-clashes) in his last two games which is concerning.
Mabior Chol
Five disposals, three tackles
He was inconsistent in his effort and intensity and we need more four-quarter consistency in that area from him, he had minimal impact.
VFL-listed
Tom Couch
24 disposals, nine clearances, 15 contested possessions, four tackles
Continues his really good form. He’s so strong at the contest, his nine clearances and 24 disposals, he looks like one of the few guys that can break-out of stoppages and impact the game for us.
Sam Darley
22 disposals, 17 uncontested possessions, 12 handball receives
Showed great leadership again. There were a couple of occasions where he was sagging back in play when we want him to squeeze up the ground and be part of our team defence, but other than that he’s going really strongly.
Tom Langford
19 disposals, ten handball receives, three tackles
Returned from a hamstring injury in round 1. He started a bit slowly against his old team, but as the game wore on he really looked like he was important for us with his ball-use off half-back.
Nick Mellington
17 disposals, 13 contested possessions, four clearances, five tackles
Played as an inside-mid and came in and out of the game. His contested work is as good as we have, he had 13 of those (contested possessions), but we just need some more spread around the ground for four quarters.
Jacob Ballard
13 disposals, nine tackles, three clearances
Played his first game for the year with limited game time. His enormous work-rate and GPS really stands-out and we we’re looking forward to him playing four quarters. It was a good start to his Richmond VFL career.
Tom Silvestro
Ten disposals, four tackles, three inside-50s, one goal
The hardest worker we have on the ground, was our 23rd player and now playing in the team on his own right. The balance between how much work he does defensively and offensively is what he’s trying to work on.
Anthony Forato
17 hit-outs, one goal, eight disposals
Playing as a second ruck at the moment, and we really like his contest. He was a good back-up for Ivan and had 17 hit-outs.
Ryan Gale
Eight disposals, two marks
A key-defender, he started well with two intercept marks and just playing his role. A solid game from him.
Anthony Scott
One goal, seven disposals, three marks, three tackles
A small-forward, he had minimal impact on the day. He managed to kick a goal from a crumbing opportunity, but lacked real urgency and intensity to get back inside-50 and lock it in that area for us.
Daniel Coffield
Five disposals, three marks, one contested mark
Our 23rd player started really well with his intercept marking and is playing his role. He just trying to get that balance when he has the footy in capitalising on the touches he does have.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-05-10/the-vfl-report-round-5
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Can we swap Hunt, A.Moore, Townsend & Hamspud for Darley, Couch, Ballard & Forato?
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Can we swap Hunt, A.Moore, Townsend & Hamspud for Darley, Couch, Ballard & Forato?
Seriously the pick of them is Antony Forato , has played last 2 games as ruck & is very impressive
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Ivan Maric
36 hit-outs, four clearances, four tackles, nine disposals
Returned from AFL opportunity, came back and dominated hit-outs, had four clearances himself, but only the nine disposals. We need his big-strong leadership to make other players stand taller.
Now, now, now, c'mon, Batchelor only had 4, the lowest in the entire game against the Hawks, but ask the experts, possessions/disposals mean nothing... :whistle :whistle
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Ivan Maric
36 hit-outs, four clearances, four tackles, nine disposals
Returned from AFL opportunity, came back and dominated hit-outs, had four clearances himself, but only the nine disposals. We need his big-strong leadership to make other players stand taller.
Now, now, now, c'mon, Batchelor only had 4, the lowest in the entire game against the Hawks, but ask the experts, possessions/disposals mean nothing... :whistle :whistle
Without trying to pump up Jake's game, you sort of expect more possessions from someone who plays on the ball....
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Jacob Townsend
13 disposals, six tackles, 11 uncontested possessions
Our big, inside goal kicking mid :lol
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Taylor Hunt
25 disposals, 18 uncontested possessions, six marks, 11 handball receives
. His ability to turn the footy over is a real standout. We just need him to have better ball use .
the other words were just confusing the issue
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Dan Butler
15 disposals, 11 tackles, nine handball receives, one goal
11 tackles as a forward is good hustle. If he can make this a consistent feat, this would solve a lot of the problems we have in locking the ball in our forward line.
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Dan Butler
15 disposals, 11 tackles, nine handball receives, one goal
11 tackles as a forward is good hustle. If he can make this a consistent feat, this would solve a lot of the problems we have in locking the ball in our forward line.
I want him to play seniors. We must give him a block of games to see what he has to offer. From what I've seen, he has a lot although he must be wondering when he'll ever get a senior game.
Maybe he can play in the back pocket..... :whistle :whistle :whistle
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Dan Butler
15 disposals, 11 tackles, nine handball receives, one goal
11 tackles as a forward is good hustle. If he can make this a consistent feat, this would solve a lot of the problems we have in locking the ball in our forward line.
I want him to play seniors. We must give him a block of games to see what he has to offer. From what I've seen, he has a lot although he must be wondering when he'll ever get a senior game.
Maybe he can play in the back pocket..... :whistle :whistle :whistle
someone that can tackle would be nice there
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Needs to work on his defensive ga.....oh wait.....oh well, I'm sure we can think of some other reason to keep him out of the side.....meanwhile, let's just give Morris another crack as a defensive forward...#develpoment #therichmondway
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Needs to work on his defensive ga.....oh wait.....oh well, I'm sure we can think of some other reason to keep him out of the side.....meanwhile, let's just give Morris another crack as a defensive forward...#develpoment #therichmondway
Put him at HB so he can work on his defensive pressure. 11 tackles is too much and he has to learn the value of corralling