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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on September 11, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
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Feel that this question is the one that club should be asking themselves. Be interesting what the majority of the site thought.
Rebuilding would mean seriously looking at cashing in on our Elite players currency to create a list around Martin and Prestia's age bracket. Deledio, Edwards and Cotchin would be the main traders as KP players don't grow on trees and are harder and take longer to develop. We could keep Rance who in 3 years time would be 29. Jack would be 30. We would move on our middle tier almost instantly and look to play as many games into our 'iceberg' players such as Castagna, C.Moore, C.Ellis, McIntosh, Markov etc.
Negatives of this is excepting current list isn't good enough and 2-3 years of bottom 6 finishes await..
Rearranging would be potentially moving some middle tier around if possible but certainly not our top tier. Our middle tier haven't got much currency to do this but with luck and the right calls could possibly work. Holes would need to be filled at all cost, eg: need a ruckman, noth key back and key forward to add quality in the arcs as well as some more leg speed and kicking efficiency. Ideally tackling a focus as well.
Trading in 'moneyball' type players possibly at the expense of future draft picks and players.
Negatives of this is if this doesn't work we would be wasting Prestia and Martin potential juggernaut midfield with having Cotchin and Deledio retiring with no 'blue chip' draft pick replacing them.
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Like I've said previously. Start again.
Get rid of everyone involved in both the EF loss to the scum and the TH tribute game.
http://youtu.be/rGIY5Vyj4YM (http://youtu.be/rGIY5Vyj4YM)
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Rebuild is the only way forward.
GWS will dominate for the next few years so any attempt to rearrange will only have us making up the numbers.
Then we will have to do a proper rebuild.
Short term pain or long term pain take your choice.
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Resuscitate and Rebuild
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You can build through the middle. Look at the Swans for a perfect example and of late Geelong and the Hawks but whatever way you go you have to do it very well. I don't think this is the right question in the end. I think the right questions are
Do we recruit excellently
Do we develop players excellently
And so on
You can argue our game plan is crappola but Sydney won a flag using it 10 years ago and Hawthorn love to corral too, so it doesn't mean we can't win with a variation on what we already do.
But does it give excellent results. I'm not convinced I think it has been superceded by the out of bounds and time to take your kick rule. Sydney players used to take 30 sec to take their kick in 2005 you can't do that now. We now can't dribble it out of bounds to force a stoppage either. Given all that we need change to excellence, how we do that is open ended.
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The main question is can we rebuild around the edges and rebound next year well enough to beat GWS.
The short answer to that is a big resounding NO.
A proper rebuild is the only way.
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With the correct coaching, list management and development either option could work.
Do we have the correct football department in place?
I think we have the financial structure under control.
Maybe the much vaunted review will answer all.??
I thing The Bulldogs have shown with the correct football dept team in place a rearrange gives a pretty good result.
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Where is the 'detonate' option?
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I think the dogs have shown that you don't need to be rich but they did bottom out for 3 years at least. They haven't built through the middle and their current success is built on their previous coaches development and recruiting.
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Rebuild is the only way forward.
GWS will dominate for the next few years so any attempt to rearrange will only have us making up the numbers.
Then we will have to do a proper rebuild.
Short term pain or long term pain take your choice.
What's the point rebuilding - given the franchise clubs
Attempt to win flag 2029 ?
IMHO the idea should be to do something while rance is still around
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You can build through the middle. Look at the Swans for a perfect example and of late Geelong and the Hawks but whatever way you go you have to do it very well. I don't think this is the right question in the end. I think the right questions are
Do we recruit excellently
Do we develop players excellently
And so on
You can argue our game plan is crappola but Sydney woon a flag using it 10 years ago and Hawthorn love to corral too, so it doesn't mean we can't win with a variation on what we already do.
But does it give excellent results. I'm not convinced I think it has been superceded by the out of bounds and time to take your kick rule. Sydney players used to take 30 sec to take their kick in 2005 you can't do that now. We now can't dribble it out of bounds to force a stoppage either. Given all that we need change to excellence, how we do that is open ended.
Hawks build from bottom. (2004 draft, 2001)
Geelong were lucky father rules hadn't been changed.
Swans are a bad example. RFC can't really throw 18 million at two guns.. Pooing bricks about a mill to sack Dimma
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The supporters won't wait for a proper rebuild. We demand a half arsed effort. We demand average players from other clubs.
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:lol
:gotigers
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The supporters won't wait for a proper rebuild. We demand a half arsed effort. We demand average players from other clubs.
I say we demand a better half arsed effort for next season!
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The supporters won't wait for a proper rebuild. We demand a half arsed effort. We demand average players from other clubs.
I say we demand a better half arsed effort for next season!
Three-quarter arsed effort at least.... :gotigers
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You can build through the middle. Look at the Swans for a perfect example and of late Geelong and the Hawks but whatever way you go you have to do it very well. I don't think this is the right question in the end. I think the right questions are
Do we recruit excellently
Do we develop players excellently
And so on
You can argue our game plan is crappola but Sydney woon a flag using it 10 years ago and Hawthorn love to corral too, so it doesn't mean we can't win with a variation on what we already do.
But does it give excellent results. I'm not convinced I think it has been superceded by the out of bounds and time to take your kick rule. Sydney players used to take 30 sec to take their kick in 2005 you can't do that now. We now can't dribble it out of bounds to force a stoppage either. Given all that we need change to excellence, how we do that is open ended.
Hawks build from bottom. (2004 draft, 2001)
Geelong were lucky father rules hadn't been changed.
Swans are a bad example. RFC can't really throw 18 million at two guns.. Pooing bricks about a mill to sack Dimma
Yeah but since 2008 the Hawks have regenerated and since 2011 geelong too. It's been 12 years since hawthorn bottomed out. Which ever way you go, just do it very well.
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What would Luke Beveridge and Jason McCartney do ... ?
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In a regular weekly radio slot, Balme said there would not be a complete rebuild, instead renewal could occur while a club remained competitive.
“You can’t afford to tell your people to take the next couple of years off, that we’re going to rebuild something, because everyone from Hawthorn to Essendon are rebuilding,” he told SEN 1116.
“You have to be rebuilding always. It is just a matter to what extent.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-warns-theres-no-quick-fix-for-tigers-woes/news-story/31a91f78e63733810b95225cb552eb97
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In a regular weekly radio slot, Balme said there would not be a complete rebuild, instead renewal could occur while a club remained competitive.
“You can’t afford to tell your people to take the next couple of years off, that we’re going to rebuild something, because everyone from Hawthorn to Essendon are rebuilding,” he told SEN 1116.
“You have to be rebuilding always. It is just a matter to what extent.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-warns-theres-no-quick-fix-for-tigers-woes/news-story/31a91f78e63733810b95225cb552eb97
So sort of like a half step
FFS someone start up the sack Balme thread
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Balme is right all clubs are in perpetual rebuild some more than others is the only difference.
The state of the list determines to what extent you approach the rebuild.In every single area of our list we lack quality and depth.
Our best 22 is probably competetive with most teams, just like most clubs best 22s are.
Every one on this site has done the exercise of breaking the list down, I would say just about every poster has acknowledged we have a clear top 5 and then daylight.
Another problem is most of our juniors are clearly no better than most other teams kids in fact the concern here is also a lack of quality.
The mid tier well fmd just have to go yet they are actively giving these failures contract extensions.
As far as rebuilds go ours will have to be pretty full on for the next 3 or 4 seasons.
Looking at Just two of the areas below and it is lousy but it rings true for all areas
Rucks - Hampson,Soldo laughable situation.
KPF - Riewoldt then day light to an inconsistent and barley passable Griffiths. the rookie Chol who is another in a long line of RUCK/FWDS who will probably not be outstanding in either role.. last Elton who has been around what 5 seasons and done nothing. Serious questions has to be how hard would it be to upgrade the last 3. A rookie a bloke who has played few afl standard games over a long period and a bloke who cant even get a game. Are they or should they be the long term solution to our kpf problems or should we be actively looking for better.
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So claw are you arguing for a rebuild from the bottom. Play kids for 3 years come last or there abouts and have 9 to 12 top 20 picks. To do that you need to trade out some of your top 5.
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
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I'd prefer to trade out our entire list for picks and future picks.
Save cap space for when we are remotely close to top 4. Prestia will be finished by the time we are top 4 again IMO. Trading pick 6 for him would be a disaster.
If we trade Lids I'd prefer us to keep the pick than to on trade it to GC especially if it was a decent pick.
The idiots can't make money they can't manage a list.
Selling lids signing up every list blocker , very odd stategy.
Would of thought if we are selling lids might be worth bringing in more picks (b Ellis , Houli, conca) and or another star (jack for #1 and another first rounder or two)
Rebuilding ?
Re arranging?
Who knows half pregnant and nfi. Circus f c
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Getting rid of McBean, Mckenzie, Lennon, lids who will kick goals?
Jacks move toward the wing looks stupider every day. The game plan is bizarre
Mismanagement of the cream , not a bakers bum hole is damien.
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Excellent post
With a another birthday, can come more wise words
Happy birthday Dookster
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Excellent post
With a another birthday, can come more wise words
Happy birthday Dookster
Ya Old fart
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Excellent post
With a another birthday, can come more wise words
Happy birthday Dookster
Pfft...will last about a day.....everbody love everybooooooooo stuffin' idiots, stuff this club , pee off WAT....
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Excellent post
With a another birthday, can come more wise words
Happy birthday Dookster
Thanks WP.
I know im usually one to pre-emptively go whack (and get it right) but perhaps we should all take the high moral ground and give them (incl Balme) a chance for once to see what pans out.
I know I'm biting my lip.
But dont worry, ill be amongst the most critical if they balls up any trades.
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Excellent post
With a another birthday, can come more wise words
Happy birthday Dookster
Pfft...will last about a day.....everbody love everybooooooooo stuffin' idiots, stuff this club , pee off WAT....
In my defence, everybody here should do their best to love everybody. But as mere humans not everyone always gets along. Me, it's in my nature that I don't respect or tolerate stupidity and incompetence. And that's a flaw of mine in a humane sense, albeit on the flip side, not a bad value to have I reckon.
Some people are wired the same, others are different. So be it. We get on with life.
Anyways, back on topic.
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
Rebuild or shuffle turds?
No young man in his roght mind, or with parental guidance will join the rfc under its current regime.
They re signed conca Ffs.
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Excellent post
With a another birthday, can come more wise words
Happy birthday Dookster
Thanks WP.
I know im usually one to pre-emptively go whack (and get it right) but perhaps we should all take the high moral ground and give them (incl Balme) a chance for once to see what pans out.
I know I'm biting my lip.
But dont worry, ill be amongst the most critical if they balls up any trades.
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Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
Give it a rest mate
It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.
At least wait til the fact then make the call.
Excellent post
With a another birthday, can come more wise words
Happy birthday Dookster
Thanks WP.
I know im usually one to pre-emptively go whack (and get it right) but perhaps we should all take the high moral ground and give them (incl Balme) a chance for once to see what pans out.
I know I'm biting my lip.
But dont worry, ill be amongst the most critical if they balls up any trades.
Bump. A little patience seems to pay off.
More importantly, where's WAT? He's quieter than a church mouse