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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 17, 2017, 02:50:10 AM
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Who has been our best CHB over the past 50 years?
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-01-02/top-tigers-centre-halfback
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Where is Batchelor, must have him up there, plays tall does our new CHB. Would already be in front of the others without even playing there yet... :snidegrin
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
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I see Rance more as a full back than a CHB. I'll go with the Ghost.
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
SOS was overrated i reckon. Give me Langford.
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
One could also argue that Jess was never put under the constant pressure that Rance is, our midfield hardly ever got slaughtered when Jess played and he rarely had to clean up everyone else's mess like Rance has to nearly every week....wonder if Jess could ever have managed a BOG in an 88 point thrashing where we only kicked 23 points for the entire game...?....
..and your point about playing forward might be relevant if this was a "best swingman" poll....but it's not, so it isn't....
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
One could also argue that Jess was never put under the constant pressure that Rance is, our midfield hardly ever got slaughtered when Jess played and he rarely had to clean up everyone else's mess like Rance has to nearly every week....wonder if Jess could ever have managed a BOG in an 88 point thrashing where we only kicked 23 points for the entire game...?....
..and your point about playing forward might be relevant if this was a "best swingman" poll....but it's not, so it isn't....
A CHB that can play CHF is a CHB that can play CHF in my book. When Rance can win games for us when called on to do so, instead of saving us from losing by 345 points instead we lose by 88 then we can talk who is better.
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
One could also argue that Jess was never put under the constant pressure that Rance is, our midfield hardly ever got slaughtered when Jess played and he rarely had to clean up everyone else's mess like Rance has to nearly every week....wonder if Jess could ever have managed a BOG in an 88 point thrashing where we only kicked 23 points for the entire game...?....
..and your point about playing forward might be relevant if this was a "best swingman" poll....but it's not, so it isn't....
A CHB that can play CHF is a CHB that can play CHF in my book. When Rance can win games for us when called on to do so, instead of saving us from losing by 345 points instead we lose by 88 then we can talk who is better.
This is about the best CHB. Not the best CHB who can play CHF. Bloody obvious if you ask me. It only becomes relevant if they are judged equal as CHBs. Then the guy who can swing forward gets the edge. :whistle
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Number 20
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
One could also argue that Jess was never put under the constant pressure that Rance is, our midfield hardly ever got slaughtered when Jess played and he rarely had to clean up everyone else's mess like Rance has to nearly every week....wonder if Jess could ever have managed a BOG in an 88 point thrashing where we only kicked 23 points for the entire game...?....
..and your point about playing forward might be relevant if this was a "best swingman" poll....but it's not, so it isn't....
A CHB that can play CHF is a CHB that can play CHF in my book. When Rance can win games for us when called on to do so, instead of saving us from losing by 345 points instead we lose by 88 then we can talk who is better.
This is about the best CHB. Not the best CHB who can play CHF. Bloody obvious if you ask me. It only becomes relevant if they are judged equal as CHBs. Then the guy who can swing forward gets the edge. :whistle
Seeing as you seem to be incessantly anal, we can take it to the next level and suggest that Rance is a FB and gets swung to CHB when needed so he aint part of it too. :banghead
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
One could also argue that Jess was never put under the constant pressure that Rance is, our midfield hardly ever got slaughtered when Jess played and he rarely had to clean up everyone else's mess like Rance has to nearly every week....wonder if Jess could ever have managed a BOG in an 88 point thrashing where we only kicked 23 points for the entire game...?....
..and your point about playing forward might be relevant if this was a "best swingman" poll....but it's not, so it isn't....
A CHB that can play CHF is a CHB that can play CHF in my book. When Rance can win games for us when called on to do so, instead of saving us from losing by 345 points instead we lose by 88 then we can talk who is better.
This is about the best CHB. Not the best CHB who can play CHF. Bloody obvious if you ask me. It only becomes relevant if they are judged equal as CHBs. Then the guy who can swing forward gets the edge. :whistle
Seeing as you seem to be incessantly anal, we can take it to the next level and suggest that Rance is a FB and gets swung to CHB when needed so he aint part of it too. :banghead
Classically the FB took most of or at least some of the kick ins. Rance rarely does that and since there is no real set position anymore when you look at players lining up, he is more a CHB. Try again sunshine!
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
One could also argue that Jess was never put under the constant pressure that Rance is, our midfield hardly ever got slaughtered when Jess played and he rarely had to clean up everyone else's mess like Rance has to nearly every week....wonder if Jess could ever have managed a BOG in an 88 point thrashing where we only kicked 23 points for the entire game...?....
..and your point about playing forward might be relevant if this was a "best swingman" poll....but it's not, so it isn't....
A CHB that can play CHF is a CHB that can play CHF in my book. When Rance can win games for us when called on to do so, instead of saving us from losing by 345 points instead we lose by 88 then we can talk who is better.
This is about the best CHB. Not the best CHB who can play CHF. Bloody obvious if you ask me. It only becomes relevant if they are judged equal as CHBs. Then the guy who can swing forward gets the edge. :whistle
Seeing as you seem to be incessantly anal, we can take it to the next level and suggest that Rance is a FB and gets swung to CHB when needed so he aint part of it too. :banghead
Classically the FB took most of or at least some of the kick ins. Rance rarely does that and since there is no real set position anymore when you look at players lining up, he is more a CHB. Try again sunshine!
Do any FB's in the AFL take kick ins anymore?, does that make them all CHB's?
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Until Rance has a medal, for me its the Ghost...actually naaa, its the Ghost by a long way...Rance needs to be able to play CHF too to be better, like Jimmy did
This is about the best CHB not the best swingman.
It's not Rance's fault that he is surrounded by duds, so why descriminate against him because he is?
Exactly and it makes it easier to stand out, unlike the Ghost who stood out amongst guns....at the end of the day, the Ghost could slot one from the center after drifiting down from CHB if not FB...he had it all going on..Rance at this point is a top FB and a top CHB. Even SOS the FB of the century got gigs down forward when the time called and perforned...
One could also argue that Jess was never put under the constant pressure that Rance is, our midfield hardly ever got slaughtered when Jess played and he rarely had to clean up everyone else's mess like Rance has to nearly every week....wonder if Jess could ever have managed a BOG in an 88 point thrashing where we only kicked 23 points for the entire game...?....
..and your point about playing forward might be relevant if this was a "best swingman" poll....but it's not, so it isn't....
A CHB that can play CHF is a CHB that can play CHF in my book. When Rance can win games for us when called on to do so, instead of saving us from losing by 345 points instead we lose by 88 then we can talk who is better.
This is about the best CHB. Not the best CHB who can play CHF. Bloody obvious if you ask me. It only becomes relevant if they are judged equal as CHBs. Then the guy who can swing forward gets the edge. :whistle
Seeing as you seem to be incessantly anal, we can take it to the next level and suggest that Rance is a FB and gets swung to CHB when needed so he aint part of it too. :banghead
Classically the FB took most of or at least some of the kick ins. Rance rarely does that and since there is no real set position anymore when you look at players lining up, he is more a CHB. Try again sunshine!
Do any FB's in the AFL take kick ins anymore?, does that make them abll CHB's?
Yes, a few still do although not all the time. Maybe 10 to 15% of the time.. Rance almost never kicks it in.
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What FB's ever take kick ins? I mean I'm sure 1 or 2 have taken a kick in or two but I bet it ain't close to 10%
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What FB's ever take kick ins? I mean I'm sure 1 or 2 have taken a kick in or two but I bet it ain't close to 10%
Merrett from Brisvegas who has just retired kicked in a lot. Mckenzie at the eagles did too before injury hit him. Reid at Collingwood takes a few. That's jut to name a few.... :whistle
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What FB's ever take kick ins? I mean I'm sure 1 or 2 have taken a kick in or two but I bet it ain't close to 10%
Merrett from Brisvegas who has just retired kicked in a lot. Mckenzie at the eagles did too before injury hit him. Reid at Collingwood takes a few. That's jut to name a few.... :whistle
more like thats just to name 3 man, :huh
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What FB's ever take kick ins? I mean I'm sure 1 or 2 have taken a kick in or two but I bet it ain't close to 10%
Merrett from Brisvegas who has just retired kicked in a lot. Mckenzie at the eagles did too before injury hit him. Reid at Collingwood takes a few. That's jut to name a few.... :whistle
Lol if that is your definition of 10-15% of the time
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What FB's ever take kick ins? I mean I'm sure 1 or 2 have taken a kick in or two but I bet it ain't close to 10%
Merrett from Brisvegas who has just retired kicked in a lot. Mckenzie at the eagles did too before injury hit him. Reid at Collingwood takes a few. That's jut to name a few.... :whistle
more like thats just to name 3 man, :huh
Definition of a few is three or more.....
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What FB's ever take kick ins? I mean I'm sure 1 or 2 have taken a kick in or two but I bet it ain't close to 10%
Merrett from Brisvegas who has just retired kicked in a lot. Mckenzie at the eagles did too before injury hit him. Reid at Collingwood takes a few. That's jut to name a few.... :whistle
Lol if that is your definition of 10-15% of the time
Lol. That's your best retort? LMAO.
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Sometimes it's better to quit whilst you are behind
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Sometimes it's better to quit whilst you are behind
Without looking it up, name me the other 17 full backs.
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No response.
So the "experts" here can't even name the other full backs yet they want me to name all the ones that take the kick outs on a regular basis.
LMAO.
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Wow bro you waited a total of 50 minutes
Tom Lonergan, Daniel Talia, Cale Hooker, Tom McDonald, Sam Rowe, Alex Silvagni (sp?), Rory Thompson, Scott Thompson, Ted Richards/Heath Grundy, Schofield, Hamling. That's just naming a few off the top of my head. Yes some could be argued as CHB's and yes they may take the odd quick kick in or two but so does Brandon Ellis, that doesn't make him a full back.
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Wow bro you waited a total of 50 minutes
Tom Lonergan, Daniel Talia, Cale Hooker, Tom McDonald, Sam Rowe, Alex Silvagni (sp?), Rory Thompson, Scott Thompson, Ted Richards/Heath Grundy, Schofield, Hamling. That's just naming a few off the top of my head. Yes some could be argued as CHB's and yes they may take the odd quick kick in or two but so does Brandon Ellis, that doesn't make him a full back.
:lol
Answered only 2 days later and even then admitted some are CHBs.
Which is my point exactly! It was argued that Rance was more FB. My point being that it is impossible to classify as anyone as FB or CHB these days. When they line up they usually are all bunched up together near the 50m line. The only thing that MAY point to them being more FB is if they take the odd kick in. Rance almost never does so he can hardly be called more FB than CHB. Some of the others mentioned do and so are more likely to take the FB title but even then it's not a rigid classification.
It can be argued that the FB lines up on the FF too. We do not have stay at home FFs these days. The closest one is Hawkins from the cats. Rance does play on him on occasions but then he plays on others who run up the field a bit more too like Buddy.
Because of his attacking style and run off the backline he plays more like the old fashion CHB rather than the old fashion FB (David Dench excluded).
As such, if we are going to use old fashion terms like CHB and FB, I think it reasonable to think of him as a CHB rather than a FB. Does that sound reasonable?
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No
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Number 20
That was the veal parmigiana.
I repeat, number 20 your order is ready.
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No
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Wow bro you waited a total of 50 minutes
Tom Lonergan, Daniel Talia, Cale Hooker, Tom McDonald, Sam Rowe, Alex Silvagni (sp?), Rory Thompson, Scott Thompson, Ted Richards/Heath Grundy, Schofield, Hamling. That's just naming a few off the top of my head. Yes some could be argued as CHB's and yes they may take the odd quick kick in or two but so does Brandon Ellis, that doesn't make him a full back.
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Answered only 2 days later and even then admitted some are CHBs.
Which is my point exactly! It was argued that Rance was more FB. My point being that it is impossible to classify as anyone as FB or CHB these days. When they line up they usually are all bunched up together near the 50m line. The only thing that MAY point to them being more FB is if they take the odd kick in. Rance almost never does so he can hardly be called more FB than CHB. Some of the others mentioned do and so are more likely to take the FB title but even then it's not a rigid classification.
It can be argued that the FB lines up on the FF too. We do not have stay at home FFs these days. The closest one is Hawkins from the cats. Rance does play on him on occasions but then he plays on others who run up the field a bit more too like Buddy.
Because of his attacking style and run off the backline he plays more like the old fashion CHB rather than the old fashion FB (David Dench excluded).
As such, if we are going to use old fashion terms like CHB and FB, I think it reasonable to think of him as a CHB rather than a FB. Does that sound reasonable?
I don't sit here waiting for you to ask a question I can reply to so forgive me for not replying as quickly as you would have liked.
Never disagreed about whether he was FB or CHB. Just thought your definition of a FB being 'the one who kicks out' was a pee-er