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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: PuntRdRoar on February 25, 2006, 06:42:21 PM
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sums up the match against the hawks.
We started our rebuild 12 months before Hawthorn. Today we were beaten and we deserve to be beaten by a side who is atleast 3 years ahead of us in rebuilding. Today we were slow, incompetent and dumb. There can be no other dumber football team in the league than ours. All Richmond supporters deserve to be seething tonight. The supporters have had the wool pulled over there eyes by the administration and their feel good story pooh.
Pattison- Slow. Wont make it!
Foley- Slow. Wont make it!
Roach- Doesnt understand the game- Wont make it!
Rodan- Makes stupid decisions- Doesnt understand the game- Wont make it!
Howat- Waste of a Rookie Selection- Wont make it!
Jackson- Times now officially running out- Odds are he- Wont make it!
White- Good Goal, Clinical Finish- Will be ok
P.Bowden- Squad player at best. If we want Premierships with players like Patrick- We'll be waiting a long time!
J.Bowden- Should spend next 12 weeks back at Coburg. Disgraceful today!
Raines- Improving, Raines will be a player- Will make it!
Hartigan- Will make it- but tries to do to much, needs to make better decisions
Krakouer- Doesnt get the footy enough. Doesnt make enough impact!
Hyde- Squad player at best- tries hard, many others who are worse! Respect his efforts.
Stafford- Game has gone past Staff. Should retire today and save club some money!
Tuck- Diabolical 1st half, Outstanding 2nd half. Hes ok!
Deledio- Superstar - the only one we got!
Tambling- Lost the Mo. Looks like a footballer, Did good things today- thank god for Del and him.
Newman, Humm, Johnson all relatively good games.
Overall summation. Bottom 3 finish ahead. Rabble!
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LMAO@ Bowden boys.
Joel is a girl,no doubt.
Hears footsteps and sihts himself -STIL
Couldn't believe he droppped that mark todayL
Reminded ne of the collonwood game.
I hate him.
That gutless streak in him runs deep.
Patrick - i agree with all u said Ramps.
Premiership players-ha.
It gave a good indication of what the kids are up to.
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roflmao!
New year, same ole shiite.
Not that it was unexpeted though. We still have a LONG way to go.
3/4 of our list needs to go.
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Deledio is atleast 3 grades above any of our other young blokes. Raines is very good I reckon- im impressed with his effort today. Tambling gives us hope. White, Hartigan, Meyer and Schulz sees out the group. We gotta hope like the blazers that Oakley Nicholls, Hughes and Casserley add to the group...coz from what i could see today...after 3 national drafts and 3 pre season drafts and 3 rookie drafts of rebuilding...our youth policy has found a maximum no. of 6 to 7 players with the capacity to go to 9 if all of the last batch make it.
PS- Any of you guys see Clark last night. Wood at Brissy as well. taking Patterson instead of Wood is a mistake. Lets hope Clark doesnt embarrass us he started well last night.
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some harsh criticisms there
have patience, some recent posts may have been generous in their praise but hell its only february preseason ( look at Carlton last year do we want to mirror that???)
sure Terry wont be to impressed but now we have a yardstick more training , better decision making, more support for team mates, not going to happen over nite and definitley need some seniors to lead but 10 wins last year and 14+ this season is not unrealistic
hawks needed to make a statement today unfortunatley not many tiger fans heard ours
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Cant disagree with any comments made by Ramps, Ox and John
In a word it was "Terrible" and that is being nice.
Sitting with MJS and Moi, we couldnt believe how bad we were.
Still it is early and i will reserve judgement until around Rds 6-10, but it aint looking good.
Shame you couldnt make it Ox. Besides watching a rabble it was a good day.
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First hit out for the year - gotta expect a bit of crap and we got it.
Good to see Matt White do a few things and Rainsey wasn't disgraced.
Terrible day all over - started out with straight hair and end up with frizz lol - that's how bad a day it was :rollin
And nice of you boys to ask me to dinner and i starve myself all day and when we get there, oh, i don't feel like eating :banghead
:wallywink
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That 1st half was disgraceful. I think you can add soft to the title of this thread Ramps. Hawks wanted it more. We tried to turn it on in the second half but it was too late.
For some bizarre reason in that first half we were running back into traffic or away from free teammates on the fat side ???. We also tried to play on at all times even if it was the wrong time to do it. We'd just run ourselves into trouble with overuse of handball and gifted Hawthorn goals thorugh turnovers. We lost the match rather than they won it.
I can handle skill errors at this time of year but poor decision making is unforgiveable especially when the right option is bleedingly obvious.
We just didn't work for each other today. The Hawks were setting-up well while we weren't. The pressure is applied and all the things we practice at training go out the window. How many teammates ran alongside the ballcarrier!
We need to badly work on going inside 50. Hawks were flooding and we couldn't counter it. We were also too Richo conscious apart from a couple of Lids, Tambo, Staff and Paddy marks. When Richo is having an off day we fall down up forward.
Why didn't Joel go for the supergoal that would have won us the game? It was a good pass to Richo but he marked it in the pocket. Plus Richo was having a shocker in front of goal. The kick travelled further than had Joel gone for goal.
Roachy will play out his career at Coburg. If it was a H/A game he would not have been kept on Williams for the whole game.
Krak had an absolute shocker. Hardly touched the ball.
Positives were Schulz gave Franklin and Roughead a bath. Smartest Tiger out there. Rainesy was very good. Sugar, Tuck (second half) and Lids stood up.
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That 1st half was disgraceful. I think you can add soft to the title of this thread Ramps. Hawks wanted it more.
I had gutless in the title thread but after i settled down after like 10 minutes i came back and deleted the reference coz whilst i saw things today that i hate seeing on a football field i subscribe to that old saying about the issue of courage and that is
"that those on the field of battle...owe no explanation to those on the other side of the fence"
since i have never played AFL i do not want to question players courage or whether they are soft. I simply take my right to have my opinion on their abilities as to whether or not they are good footballers...and thats what i did in the first post.
I hope that explains why the word Soft is missing.
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And nice of you boys to ask me to dinner and i starve myself all day and when we get there, oh, i don't feel like eating
We spent all day with you, how much more could we take :P :P :P
I think MJS may have had a better offer :shh
Or maybe he was going for his full body wax :D :D :shh
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MJS and body wax in same sentence :chuck
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That 1st half was disgraceful. I think you can add soft to the title of this thread Ramps. Hawks wanted it more.
I had gutless in the title thread but after i settled down after like 10 minutes i came back and deleted the reference coz whilst i saw things today that i hate seeing on a football field i subscribe to that old saying about the issue of courage and that is
"that those on the field of battle...owe no explanation to those on the other side of the fence"
since i have never played AFL i do not want to question players courage or whether they are soft. I simply take my right to have my opinion on their abilities as to whether or not they are good footballers...and thats what i did in the first post.
I hope that explains why the word Soft is missing.
No worries Ramps. I would never question their courage. There were just instances in the first half where our blokes didn't go nowhere hard enough at the ball or we're ball-watching expecting someone else to make the contest or win the footy. A number of times we outnumbered Hawthorn at the fall of the ball but a Hawk would come away with the footy all too easily. We just didn't apply any pressure in the first half.
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panick buttons then is it? Pfft. The thread title certainly suggest so.
we played Febuary footy. We looked like we were trying to do the carry and run thing (Its gonna be special when we finally get it right) but alas it never happened tonight.
no injuries and we came close, im easy to please at this stage. no panick button required.
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Geez Geez , whats going on here.
was i the only person who left the game that can see the light!
yes we lost, les we played bad, under normal rules we would have lost by 7pts not ten. we also had 2 posters and easy misses.
why did we play bad, cos at this stage of the yr we are behind in match practice and fitness compared to last, terry has said this many times
we lost to a hopeless team that was close to full strength, we had as terry stated 8-11 blokes who could walk into our team atm.
even though the game was shocking, the cats and blues was the benny hill show!!!!!!
we saw schulz kick butt in defense, raines play well and showed a bit
we saw tuuck newman and hyyde carry on from last yr
we saw that lids, is gonna make alot of us cream our pants this year and in future lol
we saw krak in the last q show us he can make it in the middle , and in the 3rd q, took guerra out of teh game
we saw bling show some good signs
simmonds looked mores agile and quicker and his second half was fantastic
yes we played bad, we lost by 10, and made 1000 more mistakes that the hawks!!! with 3 more praccy matches to come , this will fine tune , dont worry, terry knows this, he is not worried and nor am i
come on guys have a lil faith
btw , was at the corporate function in the accolade room! fantastic :clapping :cheers
the tiger babes are something else 4 all u blokes and ladies that love ladies lol
$150 got u entry, footy records worth 7bux, all u can eat , all u can drink, beer, wine, sparkly, spirits and soft drink. i stuffed my face , had 15 bacardis and coke, and 5 vodkas . bar was open 4 all the game, pasta and other foods served , tell ya what i got smashed ,
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not smashed enough to notice that we had some real positives in the game and also
i would like to add, rodan will never be anything special, nor will hall, nor will hartigan!
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We still don't understand the fundumental concept of the run and carry game plan. Or is Terry not teaching them right? Some of our players try to "run and carry" the thing, but it's usually on their own without teamates running to offer support in the way of a handball receive or shepherd. Too many times a single tiger will take off, reach a dead end only to see no-one supporting. He then turns sideways or backwards and handballs it to a stationary teamate, who then without any momentum has no-where to go. Without the adequate support from the non-ball carriers you might aswell not even try to run and carry the friggin thing.
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We still don't understand the fundumental concept of the run and carry game plan. Or is Terry not teaching them right?
Not the latter Harry. There have been a numer of drills at training over preseason where they are organised to run in threes supporting the ball carrier. It's a case of under game pressure against real opposition that most of what they have learnt gets thrown out the window. That's why I still reckon the probables vs possibles game the week before is a waste of time and we would be better off evening the intra-club teams.
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X,
You must have been smashed if you can praise Krak and put down Rodan.
Atleast Rodan had a crack and put himself in time and time again to try and win the footy.
And on Hartigan, i think he got more possesions yesterday than Krak got all last year. Sure he did turn it over a bit, but atleast he got it and was prepared to try and create something.
I admit that when Krak gets the ball he is good with it, he shot out some good handballs and that pass in the last qtr to Richo was fantastic. I just dont think it happens enough.
That's my opinion anyway.
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X,
You must have been smashed if you can praise Krak and put down Rodan.
Atleast Rodan had a crack and put himself in time and time again to try and win the footy.
And on Hartigan, i think he got more possesions yesterday than Krak got all last year. Sure he did turn it over a bit, but atleast he got it and was prepared to try and create something.
I admit that when Krak gets the ball he is good with it, he shot out some good handballs and that pass in the last qtr to Richo was fantastic. I just dont think it happens enough.
That's my opinion anyway.
not that smashed. krak put huis body in many times and all u guys who think he is weak think again.
now when all u guys think krak was missing, he was fullfilling other roles (as in the 3rd q, where he kept guerra,who was murdering us , out of the game) no one knows what role each player has at during the game, but i spoke to some of the coburg boys and even they were aware of it.
now about rodan!
lets get this str8, yes he gets the ball, but whats the point when u have no idea what to do with it, when to pass it, and when to handball it, he is a selfish show pony and should be playing with the hawks!
we dont need players like him, sure he gets the ball , breaks the 1st line, fantastic, and then decides to zig zab all over the place, get himself into trouble and miss the lead up ahead. jackson, richo, staff, paddy must wanna punch the lil rodants head off after the game.
terry wants teh run and carry game plan, but he just goes too far, as does hartigan, and this shows they are both as dumb as dog poo!
the game turned 4 us whn krak and bling were in the middle, not when rodan was on his adventure 4 a one man show. krak put his body in, may not have had many possessions, but bloody hell he hit a target with every one.
honestly , i would rather tivendale in our team over rodant.
AMOUNT OF POSSESSIONS DONT MATTER, QUALITY WILL ALWAYS OUT WEIGH QUANTITY.
PS HOW MANY TURN OVERS DID RODAN CAUSE
PS HOW MANY SCORING FWD THRUSTS DID RODAN DESTROY
PS HOW MANY DID KRAK!
thats just my opinion, and the opinion of some of the coburg boys i was sitting with
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btw , was at the corporate function in the accolade room! fantastic :clapping :cheers
the tiger babes are something else 4 all u blokes and ladies that love ladies lol
$150 got u entry, footy records worth 7bux, all u can eat , all u can drink, beer, wine, sparkly, spirits and soft drink. i stuffed my face , had 15 bacardis and coke, and 5 vodkas . bar was open 4 all the game, pasta and other foods served , tell ya what i got smashed ,
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not smashed enough to notice that we had some real positives in the game and also
i would like to add, rodan will never be anything special, nor will hall, nor will hartigan!
forgot to mention
gary marchs wife beverley, a ver tidy lady ;) and gr8 to talk to!
o'connor told me b4 teh game, watch out 4 schilz this yr, he is ready and going to be fantastic in defense for us.
nb: the bar was still open after the game, thats when i drank my sorrows away, but my senses were all with me through the game
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no injuries and we came close, im easy to please at this stage. no panick button required.
Quote of the day - agree entirely :thumbsup
Having said that, all that friggin' handball drove me insane today :banghead
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X,
i dont disagree about your comments re: Rodan and Hartigan.
I dont disagree with your comments about krak and tambo turning the game for us.
Tuck was the one who got things happening.
Anyway, it is only early and there is a long way to go.
I have by no means written us off for the year. i will reserve judgement until atleast rd 10
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Keep in mind folks that if we had been a lot more accurate at goal we would have won it.
Not only Richo, Tambling, White et al sprayed a few as well.
They still played like crap, but they generally do when it's their first hit out - and that was their first hit out.
The poss v probables match last week ccould not have prepared them for the increased intensity of a match against an opposition who wanted to win like the Hawks did yesterday.
Sick of the club being written off after five minutes - when will we ever learn to put some faith in them and support
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My criticisms of yesterday was not based only on the result, but more on where our youngsters stand in comparison to Hawthorn. Hawks still have Dowler, Ellis, Bailey, Muston and Tuck and maybe some others I dont know about to come in and develop. All those young guys had good junior careers. On the other hand, atleast half of our young blokes showed there not going to make it and 2 of 3 most recent National draftees are suffering injury. Weve fallen behind the dawks big time in redeveloping the team!
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No doubt the hawks younger players are better than ours but that is to be expected when they have had more early picks..
Doesn't help also that we have only just appointed a full time recruiting officer after getting rid of Beck..
Up to you now Mr Jackson...
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And they achieved that by coming last for the last couple of seasons.
Something to be admired ::)
How in the hell you can rate a team that was made up of youngsters yesterday with about 10 senior players missing is beyond me, and come to the conclusion we are stuffed after one practice match.
It's just as delusional as Hawks supporters saying they're going to win a flag.
Get a grip :(
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We also have guys like thursfield , polo , meyer , mcguane not in the side so along with the new guys to come in our young player stocks are better than
yesterday indicated..
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Outside of Meyer Im not sure any of the others are gonna become 150 game players in AFL footy!
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Thats fair enough , none of them are anything near certainties but from what i have seen hey all have talent
and are capable of making it..
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come to the conclusion we are stuffed after one practice match.
It's just as delusional as Hawks supporters saying they're going to win a flag.
Get a grip :(
Problem is Moi when your Richmond and youve had 25 years of crap to watch and you need a good start to the season yesterdays performance was woeful. They may not care down at Punt Rd, but knowing I supporters I can tell you that because of yesterday we probably just blew 3 or 4000 memberships down the dunny! Not because we lost, but because theres a realisation that again we're falling behind on getting the team right for the future. Hope never dies...but at Punt Rd...hope is in short supply at the moment!
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come to the conclusion we are stuffed after one practice match.
It's just as delusional as Hawks supporters saying they're going to win a flag.
Get a grip :(
Problem is Moi when your Richmond and youve had 25 years of crap to watch and you need a good start to the season yesterdays performance was woeful. They may not care down at Punt Rd, but knowing I supporters I can tell you that because of yesterday we probably just blew 3 or 4000 memberships down the dunny! Not because we lost, but because theres a realisation that again we're falling behind on getting the team right for the future. Hope never dies...but at Punt Rd...hope is in short supply at the moment!
That is all very true, but why give yourself an ulcer over one game, and how you can write off players based on one performance is beyond me. The negative comments coming from ppl like yourself is more likely to turn ppl off joining than one performance.
In reality, we're probably going to go backwards in the next couple of years - that's pretty negative i know, but it's looking at it by how I see our list. We have an ageing list at one end and youth at the other end. No middle depth. Legacy of Frawley recruiting hacks who couldn't make it at other clubs. It's going to take a few years yet to repair that damage, so i don't have high hopes of winning premierships - playing finals this year is my ultimate goal.
If supporters won't join because of one game, stuff 'em.
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X,
i dont disagree about your comments re: Rodan and Hartigan.
I dont disagree with your comments about krak and tambo turning the game for us.
Tuck was the one who got things happening.
Anyway, it is only early and there is a long way to go.
I have by no means written us off for the year. i will reserve judgement until atleast rd 10
i know what u mean bull. its still very early days 4 us
terry wallace spoke to us before the game at the function i was at, and they asked him what he expected out of today. he never sais a win, he reminded us all that compared to last yr we are 4 weeks behind in match practice. he said we will be right 4 round 1 and that was our aim for last night was and this is in order
1/ no injuries
2/ to see which players have improved in their new roles and thats it
when asked about a win, he said, if we win it will be br8, but thats not the be all and end all atthis stage, what he was looking 4 is the improvement of schulz, raines, hall, roach, paddy, harts and simmonds.
i think he would have been real happy with schulz, raines and simmo.
re roach, he was out of position but where is his position
still early days boys, no need to panic
last yr we won all our regional games if i recall, we smashed the bombers, beat freo in the alice and thumped the lions at optus oval.
i dont think we will win mant this yr, but i think once rnd 1 begins we will be "chery ripe"
we must not forget , the hawks just about had a full stregnth team in
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Keep in mind folks that if we had been a lot more accurate at goal we would have won it.
Not only Richo, Tambling, White et al sprayed a few as well.
They still played like crap, but they generally do when it's their first hit out - and that was their first hit out.
The poss v probables match last week ccould not have prepared them for the increased intensity of a match against an opposition who wanted to win like the Hawks did yesterday.
Sick of the club being written off after five minutes - when will we ever learn to put some faith in them and support
u r right moi, terry said intra club games are like dancing with your sister, not gonna get u very far!
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Keeping in mind it is only February and it was only a glorified practice match I was none the less disappointed.
Not so much with the result but with the mistakes. The poor skills and the shocking decision making. The number of times someone would run and then handball it off to someone surrounded by 2 Dawks was amazing (and shocking). Then there was the apparent lack of talk that resulted in blokes getting run down. And I just didn't think our forwards worked hard enough in putting pressure on the Dawks backmen when they had the ball.
I agree with MT, simply Hawthorn wanted it more than we did and they were rewarded.
Why we didn't attempt any 9 pointers has me utterly confused, mystified you name it. We have the likes of Lids, both Bowdens and even Ray Hall who can kick 50+ mnetres on the run and none of them took a chance why ??? :-\
I think there were a few blokes out there that were there solely to see what they could do, to see how much they've improved and where they are at.
With that in mind I thought Schulz was fantastic - he's been set a challenge pre-season and he appears to have worked hard (he looks the fittest he's ever been :thumbsup) and has accepted the challenge and yesterday it worked and worked extermely well. I am not naive enough to think he is now a champion CHB but you can only beat your opponent(s) and help your team and he did that so IMV that's a huge positive.
Andrew Raines was another who played well and looked great, made a few skill errors but gee he looked so much more comfortable out there than he did in the games he played in last year. Running of the half back line seems to be his go and I just hope the coaches persist with him and give him a real chance to settle because I think he can be a very good option there for us.
I thought Rodan did OK for a bloke that hasn't played for 12 months. Granted he had some dumb turnovers (as did Hartigan) you have to wonder how many were caused from lack of support from teammates.
I liked White's game he seems to have footy smarts. And although the media has sung the praises of Humm - I have to say I wasn't that impressed only because a couple of times when he needed to go in help a teammate he stood back waiting to receive.
And I am sorry X, with the exception of the final quarter I thought Krak had a shocker - he just seemed to lack all intensity which is usually one of his strengths.
As I said it is only February and I'd rather lose by 10 points to the Dawks in Feb than win by 10 goals and then be as flat as a tack in round 1.
IMO it's not the end of the world or the season just an indication that we still have a lot of work to do between now and round 1 :thumbsup
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Good summary WP :thumbsup
Analysing the game and calling it how you see it - but no "the sky is falling and we're all gonna die" hysteria :rollin
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I rekkon Sugar is a wacko.
Turns it over all the time,makes BAD decisions and puts his receiving team-mates under massive pressure.
He's not my leader anyway.
IMO the Hawks could have buried us in the first half if THEY had of kicked straight.
Had they goaled every time ,they would have taken the wind out of what sales we had by half time.
I agree.,Hartigan tries to do toooooo much.
Either he has no confidence in whats around him or he is just young,dumb and full of cum.
Rainesy will be good for us.
Schulz will make it if he maintains this level of professionalism.
Krakouer is only as good as whats going on around him.
I'll take this opportunity to talk about the Bowden Boys.
What a couple of sihtmen !
You know ure fukced when one of your most distinguished,respected players is Joel Bowden.
The guy's a gutless prikc and I wish we had have fukced him off.
Where can i get a copy of him squibing that mark ? ? ?
His brother is just a nomadic fool.
LMAO@ one of his kicks yesterday.
Makes me want to just spew,
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I agree with MT, simply Hawthorn wanted it more than we did and they were rewarded.
And I am sorry X, with the exception of the final quarter I thought Krak had a shocker - he just seemed to lack all intensity which is usually one of his strengths.
watch the replay, krak played alot better than what u guys say! and rodan was pathetic, dont blame lack of talking, i heard from where i was many times him being screamed at that he was hot!
and when krak seemed quiet , thats cos his role was to keep guearra quiet and deep in the pocket which he did well, u obv never ubderstood teh role he was asked to play. we obv did cos terry praised his efforts when he spoke to us after the game!!!! i think if the coach is happy, he must have did what he was asked.
and yes we were not that interested in teh hard ball, look at our tackle count. the first priority as terry put it 4 the night was no injuries.
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I rekkon Sugar is a wacko.
Turns it over all the time,makes BAD decisions and puts his receiving team-mates under massive pressure.
He's not my leader anyway.
im his biggest critic, besides one or two bad errors, i thought sugar was pretty damn good, he played on vanderwanker and killed him, and hit 98% of his targets in my book
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Why didn't Joel go for the supergoal that would have won us the game? It was a good pass to Richo but he marked it in the pocket. Plus Richo was having a shocker in front of goal. The kick travelled further than had Joel gone for goal.
Don’t even get me started on that one MT. Four times Joel had the ball near the top of the 50 metre arc and 4 times he goes out wide. Twice to the boundary on his left, where one goes completely outa bounds on the full and the other two to his right in the pocket.
Not gonna mention anything about handballing sideways either, instead of kicking looooooooooooooooong.
Any chance – EVER – in any game, anywhere, that we will actually use the middle of the ground and go straight up the guts? Do our players think it’s trespassing on private property or something? :banghead
I swear, they should check the medallion club side of the ground. Dunno if it’s just my imagination, but there must be a ball magnet in the fence, on that side of the ground. And it seems to be there just about every time we play there.
Ok, I’ve had my rant. Bring on round 1. :whistle
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sums up the match against the hawks.
We started our rebuild 12 months before Hawthorn. Today we were beaten and we deserve to be beaten by a side who is atleast 3 years ahead of us in rebuilding. Today we were slow, incompetent and dumb. There can be no other dumber football team in the league than ours. All Richmond supporters deserve to be seething tonight. The supporters have had the wool pulled over there eyes by the administration and their feel good story pooh.
Pattison- Slow. Wont make it!
Foley- Slow. Wont make it!
Roach- Doesnt understand the game- Wont make it!
Rodan- Makes stupid decisions- Doesnt understand the game- Wont make it!
Howat- Waste of a Rookie Selection- Wont make it!
Jackson- Times now officially running out- Odds are he- Wont make it!
White- Good Goal, Clinical Finish- Will be ok
P.Bowden- Squad player at best. If we want Premierships with players like Patrick- We'll be waiting a long time!
J.Bowden- Should spend next 12 weeks back at Coburg. Disgraceful today!
Raines- Improving, Raines will be a player- Will make it!
Hartigan- Will make it- but tries to do to much, needs to make better decisions
Krakouer- Doesnt get the footy enough. Doesnt make enough impact!
Hyde- Squad player at best- tries hard, many others who are worse! Respect his efforts.
Stafford- Game has gone past Staff. Should retire today and save club some money!
Tuck- Diabolical 1st half, Outstanding 2nd half. Hes ok!
Deledio- Superstar - the only one we got!
Tambling- Lost the Mo. Looks like a footballer, Did good things today- thank god for Del and him.
Newman, Humm, Johnson all relatively good games.
Overall summation. Bottom 3 finish ahead. Rabble!
I don't rate our list either but a tad of a knee jerk reactio after 1 pratice game?
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I agree with MT, simply Hawthorn wanted it more than we did and they were rewarded.
And I am sorry X, with the exception of the final quarter I thought Krak had a shocker - he just seemed to lack all intensity which is usually one of his strengths.
watch the replay, krak played alot better than what u guys say! and rodan was pathetic, dont blame lack of talking, i heard from where i was many times him being screamed at that he was hot!
and when krak seemed quiet , thats cos his role was to keep guearra quiet and deep in the pocket which he did well, u obv never ubderstood teh role he was asked to play. we obv did cos terry praised his efforts when he spoke to us after the game!!!! i think if the coach is happy, he must have did what he was asked.
and yes we were not that interested in teh hard ball, look at our tackle count. the first priority as terry put it 4 the night was no injuries.
Despite his heroics on Guerra, roflmao, you've got to admit X, Krakouer just didn't get into the action enough. Unless he's 5 metres from the ball he never gets out of a jog and doesn't put himself in good enough position to get the ball, which in today's footy is the name of the game.
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he was around vjust about every contest , giving his support, when 3 or 4 players arive at a contest , they all are not going to get a possession!!!
he played a good game, did enough, only if other playes could use teh ball as weel as he does.
guerra had 20 touches til half time,
then krak was put on him and guerra only had 7 touches in thes econd half
tigers lost the first half, won the second half..........lets do our maths
krak had a somewhat tagging role in the second half , i have been reading some other sites out of interest and was glad to read the majority of tiger stuff saw kraks game as i did
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X, I still agree with WP that Krak lacked intensity for most of the night and just didn't get into the game until near the end. Tagging someone is all well and good but with his skill 12 possessions is not enough output for the team.
The most disappointing thing watching the game was watching blokes just forgetting all they've been told at training. I know Richo is 31 and won't change his stripes but David Wheadon has instructed everyone to make sure they run in straight and plant their foot pointing towards the centre of the goal. Richo at least twice ran towards the point post ??? and that's where the ball went. He also gets too close to the man on the mark.
im his biggest critic, besides one or two bad errors, i thought sugar was pretty damn good, he played on vanderwanker and killed him, and hit 98% of his targets in my book
Good to see you're warming to Sugar X lol ;).
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mt,
from listening to terry b4 the game , and watching the replay a few times, i really do believe terry
would have been real happy with what he saw. i dont think he/we went out to win. i really believe
he is keeping his cards real close to his chest. hence u said they did nothing to resemble training!!! thats another clue. playing roach all day on williams, rotaing our full forwards every 2 minutes. i second lids id ff, next staff, then richo, then jackson, then bling , then rodan etc. he was playing the bs game on purpose. he warned us b4 the game, that what we would see wont be pretty, and 4 us to be patient for round 1. then he said you will see all that has been achieved over summer.
im not angry or mad at anyones performance anymore, they have imo, bluffed all, the dos next week will flog us and we will bluff them too, come round one , they will be in 4 a huge surprise
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I have no probs with the way Wallace coached or his match-ups as the preseason games are glorified practice matches where you should try all sorts of things. It's just that for example some of the decision making by our runners or Richo kicking 1-4 and 1 OOF wasn't rustiness or a bluff. We've seen it before during the real stuff. I not saying it's the end of the world as I believe the gameplan Terry is developing will become very effective given time. However, bad habits shouldn't be tolerated even in meaningless games. Wallace was dragging blokes on and off for poor decisions.
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I like the Wallace game plan. with good players its an exciting brand of footy. At the moment i doubt we have the players to undertake the game plan thats all.
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I have no probs with the way Wallace coached or his match-ups as the preseason games are glorified practice matches where you should try all sorts of things. It's just that for example some of the decision making by our runners or Richo kicking 1-4 and 1 OOF wasn't rustiness or a bluff. We've seen it before during the real stuff. I not saying it's the end of the world as I believe the gameplan Terry is developing will become very effective given time. However, bad habits shouldn't be tolerated even in meaningless games. Wallace was dragging blokes on and off for poor decisions.
i know what u mean mt, bluffing is bluffing, but simple set shots at goal aand pathetic kicking technique is no excuse. anyway i cant go to shepp next week, if ur going let me know , love to know how that game pans out
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Unbelievable. Why don't we just put a gun to our heads and pull the trigger. Its just a practice match. When round one comes around, no one will even remeber this thread. :gotigers
Now having said that, Roach and Hartigan are spastics and should play another season at Coburg before being allowed on to the MCG. ;D
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No, it's not the end of the world - we are just crap and expect some hidings during the year. It's been like this for years.
We have quickly been overtaken by Hawthorn who have many many more talented kids than we do. Our recruiting has to improve big time and we need to get smarter players to the club.
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We are still miles off being any good, no doubt about that, but I don't reckon the Hawks have overtaken us. If they were any good they should have been up by 10 goals at half time at least. That's how pathetic we played with zero pressure and dumb turnover after turnover. Not forgetting they were 2 (3 when Everitt went off injured) short of their best 22 while we had 6 missing and that's excluding Chaffey, Tivs and Kellaway.
The Hawks didn't play a single young first gamer while we played White (and Howat as a rookie). Buddy and Lewis had shockers while Roughead was quiet. Patto and Tambo (except towards the end) did little for us. Lids and Clinton Young were the only 2004 draftees out there on saturday who played well. Guys like Tim Boyle, Campbell and Sewell have been in the system for 4-5 years. The Hawks had only 5 guys from the past 3 drafts 2003-2005 playing. We had 10 plus the older Tucky. They had 12 guys in the 4-7 year bracket. We had 5.
The Hawks had a stronger and more mature line-up and they could only knock us off by just over a kick. We might be crap but so are they. The Crows would have done to both of us what they did to Port if either side had played them.
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No, it's not the end of the world - we are just crap and expect some hidings during the year. It's been like this for years.
We have quickly been overtaken by Hawthorn who have many many more talented kids than we do. Our recruiting has to improve big time and we need to get smarter players to the club.
no offemce, but that statement is fos!!! im glad most of us aint quitters and pesimists like you on here.
you obv dont understand what terry has planned and how this year training has been vastly different to last year. we wont be ready to play until rnd 1. have you ever heard of periodised training!!!
its still pre season, relax. what do u want us to do, jump out of teh blocks like last year and fade.
terry has said many times, last yr we were ready to play footy by xmas based on the training they did cos he had to see what cattle he had.
this yr he knows what cattle he has and thus training is targeting rnd one not xmas!!!!
if the hawks are so far ahead, why was it just a 10pt win, in a game had richo kicked str8 we would have won!!! we played our worst , we played shocking, yet it was only 10pts and not a blow out.
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I remember reading a comment by Weaver on BF last year where he said usually you will get one or 2 blokes a year in the draft that will make it, but not generally be super stars. If your looking at replacing 14 odd guys, in Richmond's case probably more than that in the past 2 years, then at worst your looking at a 7 year period of rebuilding.
I think that way of thinking is spot on and unfortunately not all your draft picks are going to work out, you may jag one year and find 3 possibly 4 players that will go on, but its highly unlikely. Although I agree with many critics here over players like Rodan & Krak, I dont think its defcon 1 just yet. I'm looking forward to this season to just see which of our kids can take it to the next level.
Seriously 2 years ago our list won a spoon and couldnt win a match, 2 years on the way some people carry on it seems they think we should be playing finals? what a joke. Some of us have to remember this is the second season of Terry's 5 years as coach we have a long way to go.
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1 - I was peeed off Sunday but
2 - It was round 1 of the NAB cup ffs
3 - Maybe I was more peed off than I should of been cause it was the dawks
4 - Lets face it we had a bad game and they went hard and wanted it more
5 - Dont forget the Lions were on or near the bottom of the AFL ladder only a couple of seasons before heir 3 peat
I'll take that game as a bad practice match out of the way and really dont expect more more in the next couple of games at least.
I expect the season proper to be much the same as last year - to be competitive in most games and maybe to hopefully start finishing the seasons better.
Remember that as ST Kilda were building to where they are now at their finishes to the season were much the same as our last 2.
It takes the young guys a few years to get used to the length and rigours of a full AFL season and be able to see it out ... that is to be expected with any young rebuilding side.
I will give it another year or two of full seasons before I start on the sheep stations. :cheers
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To me it looked like there were two gameplans in action at the same time. We seemed to be playing the running game from the backline with the likes of Shultz, Hartigan & Rainsey but once we got past midfield our forwards appeard to be either standing still or on really slow leads. Stafford, whilst he is an accurate kick at goal he movels like the Rialto on rollerskates and invariably ended up with 3 opposition players around him by the time the ball arrived due to his lack of speed. Richo tried hard and led well but his kicking is still absolute poo and he is becoming so predictable that opposition teams have him worked out well in advance. So when we Had Richo, Patto and Stafford in the forward line it looked like a scene from attack of the zombies!
On Krak, I would have to go with the general consensus and say his game was poor and lacked any kind of intensity. Anyone who couldn't see this must have had beer goggles on.
Joel Bowdens crucial missed mark was a killer. The look on his face just before the ball arrived was like mine just before the teacher belted me over the head with a 1 metre ruler in grade 5.
Roach on Williams was a big mistake. You either get a Guy just as quick to keep up with him or a bigger body to muscle him out of line. Unfortunately Roachy is neither of these.
I don't think it's all doom and gloom and we can take a few things out of it to prepare us for the season ahead.
1. Never, I repeat never should we have 3 planks in the forward line at any stage. We must always keep a good mix of mobility and height.
2. Krak is not a midfielder and he will never be. Back to the forward pocket for mine where he can snap the odd opportunistic goal.
3. Shultz will be great for us in the backline this year.
4. Foley still needs more work before he will be a regular first grader but there is some promise there.
5. Raines is starting to look the goods.
6. Tuck should be better for the run and I would expect a much more consistent game from him next up.
7 We should have more key players back soon. We have to remember that we went into the game with an understrength side whereas the Hawks were nearly at full strength. Last years premiers went into their game with a similar lineup to us and they also got a towelling against the Roos who also had a nearly full strength side. As far as I'm concerned this time of year is for experimentation and I guarantee that our lineup for round one will be completely different.
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1 - I was peeed off Sunday but
3 - Maybe I was more peed off than I should of been cause it was the dawks
I was in those categories because I thought we had just given the Hawks a free kick membership wise over ourselves.
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I'm not pee-ed off or dissappointed at all because I know we are very ordinary. I wasn't surprised by the performance. I'm just stating the facts that we are crap and that we need smarter players at the club. I have very low expectations of our list - not basing it on a "practice match", basing it on the actual list. TW is good but he can't perform miracles - he'll need all of his 5 years assuming the recruiting is done well.
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TW is good but he can't perform miracles - he'll need all of his 5 years assuming the recruiting is done well.
Totally agree Harry. It'll take that long just to get our list back into balance. Using Lids as a guide he'll only be 22 and hitting his "peak" age.
Roach on Williams was a big mistake. You either get a Guy just as quick to keep up with him or a bigger body to muscle him out of line. Unfortunately Roachy is neither of these.
Roachy is fairly quick but I just don't think he is a footballer. At least Wallace gave him a full game on Williams to show if he was up to it instead of playing him on and off the bench.
1. Never, I repeat never should we have 3 planks in the forward line at any stage. We must always keep a good mix of mobility and height.
:clapping
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Roach on Williams was a big mistake. You either get a Guy just as quick to keep up with him or a bigger body to muscle him out of line. Unfortunately Roachy is neither of these.
Roachy is fairly quick but I just don't think he is a footballer. At least Wallace gave him a full game on Williams to show if he was up to it instead of playing him on and off the bench.
Wallace is no Frawley in that respect.