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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Jackstar on April 12, 2006, 08:02:56 PM
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To all Andrew Raines lovers ?
Good idea to get this weekends Herald Sun.
Nice liitle feature about Andrew and Dad Geoff.
To Moi and Co.. You are in for a Happy Easter. lol
The Sauce ! :thumbsup
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Speaking of sauce, i am getting stuck into some "sauce" tonight with my best mate in Qld :thumbsup :lol
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To all Andrew Raines lovers ?
Good idea to get this weekends Herald Sun.
Nice liitle feature about Andrew and Dad Geoff.
To Moi and Co.. You are in for a Happy Easter. lol
The Sauce ! :thumbsup
Has it got pics :o
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Yes, it has pics Moi!
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Hey I'm in the chat forum and there's no-one here?
where is everybody?
regards
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Yes, it has pics Moi!
Good reporting, Deep Throat lol :rollin
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Moi. I hope you get home delivery on weekends
Get the scizzors out , if will be on your fridge door very early I suspect :lol
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Moi. I hope you get home delivery on weekends
Get the scizzors out , if will be on your fridge door very early I suspect :lol
A poor substitute for the real thing ;)
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"lovers" - someone with the initials Moi will be jealous ;D.
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"lovers" - someone with the initials Moi will be jealous ;D.
Actually not my types - but beggars can't be choosers lol
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good work big jack!
any news on when the wiggles are back in town?
$50 million last year! not a bad earn
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Seen the wiggles 3 weeks ago actually at the Dallas Brooks Hall. They had a fill in for Greg.
You missed out obvisously!
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yea i did,
apparently he was a skinny twit ( the greg understudy that is )
next time is a must or junior will disown me!
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Son shines after Raines
15 April 2006
Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
GEOFF Raines thought his ears were deceiving him pre-season when he heard the cry "Pretty Boy".
He was sitting quietly among the crowd at Telstra Dome, watching Richmond play Hawthorn in the NAB Cup.
He knew there was nothing amiss with his hearing a week later when he heard the call several times more as the Tigers and the Bulldogs did battle in Shepparton.
Footy people know their history, even if it is the best part of 30 years since Lou Richards christened Raines "Pretty Boy" as he built a reputation as a dashing centreman with then powerful Richmond.
When you look as much like your famous father as Andrew Raines does, the same nickname is bound to get an airing.
There's no mistaking the son of the father, even after just nine games at AFL level with the Tigers.
The No. 4 jumper, the facial similarities, the thick thighs and slightly rounded shoulders, the long, sweet stride, the kicking style.
Raines, who turned 20 last month, is one of five sons of former players at Richmond this year.
Two Bowdens, Joel and Patrick, Matthew Richardson and Raines all played in the first two rounds, while Tom Roach awaits his next chance.
All the fathers – Michael Bowden, Alan Richardson, Michael Roach and Raines – are Richmond premiership players.
Raines, a property developer who divides his time between the Gold Coast and Melbourne, is thrilled by his son's progress on two counts.
There's the obvious parental pride, and there's what he refers to as "unfinished business".
"I'm excited for him," he said.
"We were really happy for him to come to Richmond. I think there's a little bit of unfinished business here.
"I would have loved to have stayed here but that wasn't to be.
"Hopefully, he can help re-establish the bloody joint with some of the other kids coming through."
Richmond took a punt on young Raines. The Tigers weren't certain he would make the grade, yet liked the idea of the sons of Geoff Raines and Michael Roach in yellow and black.
They went for the package. They took Tom Roach under the father-son rule and Raines with selection 76.
Two rounds into the 2006 season, Raines has been as good as Richmond has had. Despite growing up as a midfielder, as you'd expect, he has taken to his defensive role with aplomb.
Encouraged by coach Terry Wallace's pledge not to punish players run down trying to rebound from defence, he has given the backline a welcome splash of flair.
"Coming down as a 17-year-old was always going to be a big step for him, but he's just taken it in his stride," Raines Sr said.
"I was pretty happy for him to come down and learn the trade down here. I know Queensland's developing but I thought it was better for his education in football, whether it was TAC Cup or in the VFL, for his development.
"He'd actually finished his Year 12, so he was ready to move on, and Richmond put him in with a great family (the Morris family in Balwyn)."
Andrew said he was originally worried about his size.
"I was 70kg when I first came down; I'm 81 now," he said.
"Dad's always said to focus on your core because that's where all your power comes from.
"I've been training hard and a few things have happened for me but I've got a long way to go.
"When I first came down, they were going to start me in the (Coburg) reserves but I started in the VFL.
"Towards the end of the year (2004), I strung about eight games together of pretty good form."
Geoff remembers coming to Melbourne to check his progress late that year, going home to the Gold Coast thinking: "S..., he's really starting to improve."
Andrew: "I always wanted to come to Melbourne. It worked out really well."
He developed his skills kicking with his father and elder brother, Nick, who plays for Port Melbourne. The boys now share a Carlton house owned by their parents.
He grew up on the Gold Coast and toyed with rugby league for a couple of years while at Marymount College.
Kangaroo ruckman David Hale was two years ahead of him at the same school, while Nick Riewoldt grew up at neighbouring Broadbeach.
"I've always believed in his talent without rapping him up too much, but I knew it was going to be a bit of a journey, coming from Queensland, trying to break in," Geoff said.
"You can see the defensive, hard-at-it side of his game, but I think he's got some really damaging skills; he can break the lines."
The younger Raines can't be so specific about his father.
"I've watched a few tapes. I remember his last game, I think I was about three or four, at Carrara. I can still remember him running out."
Raines Sr is bemused by all the talk of the likeness between father and son.
"I listened to Triple M recently and every time he went near the ball, they were going on about it. I can see it but I don't see it as pronounced as others do."
The younger Raines says the fatherly advice is kept to a minimum.
"When I ask for some advice it's always there, but it's balanced. When I want my own time, he stands away."
Geoff: "I just tell him a couple of little basic things: be hard, contest, be accountable."
Andrew: "He talks about clean hands, he's always on to me about (hands) out in front, eyes on the footy, try to get a bit better in the air."
Geoff: "Decision-making. We used to just get it and go `boom' to the goalsquare to Roachy.
"It is more difficult now, there's no doubt about it."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,18816566%255E19742,00.html
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Raines scars remain
15 April 2006
Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
MORE than 20 years on, Geoff Raines remains confused and scarred by the circumstances that started him on football's merry-go-round.
In one of the most bizarre chapters of Richmond's colourful history, Raines was playing for Collingwood six months after representing the Tigers in the 1982 Grand Final.
What made the switch even more staggering was the fact he was 26, had played in the centre in Richmond's 1980 premiership team, and had three best-and-fairests and a second place to his credit from 1978-81.
When his career finished in 1989, he had represented four clubs in 254 games, leaving three of them on a sour note.
It is part of the reason he is so pleased son Andrew is playing for Richmond. He says there was "unfinished business" for family and club.
While Raines was his usual genial self in Melbourne this week, he found himself talking in depth for the first time about the famous falling out with Richmond.
"I felt I'd put my heart and soul into the joint and they weren't giving me due respect," he said.
The problem's stemmed from Richmond's decision to pursue brilliant South Fremantle centreman Maurice Rioli, finally bringing him to Melbourne for the 1982 season.
"I knew he was probably only going to play in one spot and that's in the guts," Raines said. "I got shuffled all over the joint that year.
"Nothing against Maurice, but I'd won three best-and-fairests and finished runner-up in another one, and I heard during the year Maurice was getting a lot more (money) than me.
"At the end of the year, I just went to the club and said, `Whatever Maurice is getting, I'd like the same'.
"All I said was I wanted comparable pay. `GR' (the late Graeme Richmond) came back and offered me a feeble amount – it was an insult, really.
"They actually believed I had another year (on a contract) to go. They said, `Play out your contract and we'll look at it the following year', but we knew the contract was up."
Collingwood was prepared to double Raines' pay and he accepted a three-year deal that sparked a bitter war between the two clubs, badly damaging both of them.
Raines and immediate past captains David Cloke and Bryan Wood all departed, the first two to Collingwood and Wood to Essendon.
The Tigers were compensated with an estimated $200,000 and three players: Neil Peart, Wally Lovett and Terry Domburg.
Richmond wasn't to play in finals again for another 13 years and still hasn't been back to the Grand Final.
Raines said Graeme Richmond tried to repair the damage at the 11th hour.
"I had to stand out the first few weeks because they wouldn't clear me. Richmond lost the first three or four games and `GR' came round to see me.
"He said, `We'll give you what you want' and I said, `No, I've given my word (to Collingwood), there's too much water under the bridge'."
Three years later, he was in a stand-off with Collingwood.
"We got dudded at Collingwood," Raines said. "Terribly. They signed me on a new three-year deal and then called me in three or four weeks later and said there was a pay cut.
"(President) Alan McAlister said, `You're going to have to take a 20 per cent pay cut'.
"I'm a man of principle. I said, `No, we did the deal, that was my deal'."
While Richmond had sounded him out about a return to Punt Rd before he re-signed at Collingwood, he accepted Kevin Sheedy's invitation to join Essendon, a decision he regrets.
"I had a s... year at Essendon. I didn't have my head right at all, I didn't enjoy it out there. They ended up show-ing me the door," he said.
"Sheeds and I have had a chat about it since, and we're fine. At the time, I was nearly ready to retire."
Raines felt homeless and hurt by the "mercenary" tag he copped. You don't walk out on Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon without paying a price.
He rounded off his career with three solid years with the Brisbane Bears.
Parting with Richmond was the major regret.
"My reputation probably diminished going to Collingwood then Essendon and then to Brisbane – there's no doubt about that," he said.
"When I left here (Punt Rd), I didn't think I was going to end up with four clubs, I can tell you that."
He admitted he could be pig-headed in his younger days.
"You probably put an older head on, we might have sorted it out. You look back and you think you've written the book at the time."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,18816564%255E19742,00.html
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Frawley gave Raines first break
15 April 2006
Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
DANNY Frawley gave Andrew Raines his first taste of senior football in his last game as Richmond coach in Round 22, 2004.
"I'd committed to playing everyone who was available when I resigned during the year," Frawley said yesterday. "The young fella came up to me a few weeks later, about Round 17 or 18, and said, `You know when you said you'd give everyone a game, does that include me?'
"I said, `I've got one pencilled in for you, young man'.
"I decided to play him in the last one. I wanted to give him a taste but I didn't want him killed.
"I reckon he was about 69kg dripping wet, but the Swans were going into the finals and they wouldn't have wanted anyone getting reported.
"He's a ripper, Andrew; he's going to be a very good player. Before we drafted him, Gavin McGuane, Mick's uncle, who coaches up on the Gold Coast, said, `Look, he's just a natural footballer'."
The Tigers took him in the eighth round of the 2003 national draft with selection 76.
"He's come from a long way back compared with most of the under-18 kids but his workrate was first-class," Frawley said.
He recalled how the Richmond coaching group marvelled at the striking family resemblance, to father Geoff, when he first arrived.
The similarities weren't only physical, either, Frawley added.
"He came down in all the designer gear; he was chirpy like his old man, too," he said.
"I got a real kick out of having a beer with Rainsey and Roachy (Michael Roach) after that last game.
"I used to play against both of them."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,18816563%255E19742,00.html
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My paper got all soggy with the rain :'( or should that be Raines :lol
Good article - great picture, they look so much alike. Tip for anyone who meets Andrew, say to him "Gee, you look like your mother" lol. It's a bit like asking Browny how his shoulder is with him.
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I thought you would be happy with the article :lol
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Very happy with the article, but - and there's always a BUT lol - i want to see less focus on him from now on and just let him get on with improving week by week with little fanfare. Don't want any distractions with ppl thinking he is going to be the next big thing, like we've been hearing. He isn't his dad - he might be something better or not - and i think we put too much pressure on the prodigies of our former greats. Although i don't think he has an ounce of conceit in him, and will take the attention for what it's worth and put his head down and keep on doing what he's been doing over summer.
:gotigers
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Andrew is an extremely hard worker who wont let footy go to his head. He knows what he has and wants to achieve for himself. Andrew will make a name for himself.
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Good article - great picture, they look so much alike. Tip for anyone who meets Andrew, say to him "Gee, you look like your mother" lol. It's a bit like asking Browny how his shoulder is with him.
Geoff needs hiss eyes tested if he doesn't think it's pronounced lol. Maybe he's comparing Andrew with himself now because at roughly the same age they are so much alike it's freaky.
As for Rainesy jnr - a top get at pick 76. LOL how asking Spud for a game was like a scene from Oliver Twist - "Please Sir, do I get a game" ;D.
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Don't blame me it's Moi :nope.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/ex_players/raines_cameron_undies.jpg)
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Thanx for sharing that from your personal collection, One-Eyed :rollin
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Thanx for sharing that from your personal collection, One-Eyed :rollin
:nope Before the admin's time ;).
I think we know whose collection it comes from --> Jane Moi :lol.
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The other guy on the tree is Cameron Clayton
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The other guy on the tree is Cameron Clayton
Geez I thought it was Leigh Matthews...looks awfully like him.
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Have to admit does look like leigh, Rainesy looks extremely young there ala Tiger days?
Thus my assumption its Cameron Clayton
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It's Cameron Clayton :thumbsup
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Thanks Moi, new you would know. :lol
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I know my Tiger flesh, Jack :o
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I know my Tiger flesh, Jack :o
Too much info Moi :o :o :o :o
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I know my Tiger flesh, Jack :o
Too much info Moi :o :o :o :o
Have you ever known me not to give out too much info lol
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Hey Moi, tell us about the dinner party then, lol What really did happen. lol :lol
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You tell everyone, Jack - even though i was there, you seem to know more than i do lol
Or shouldn't it be the case of what happens at a dinner party stays at a dinner party ;)
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Your right, now back to the topic, young Andrew. Cant wait to tell him he looks like his mum, lol
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Raines on "Before the Game" now.
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Raines on "Before the Game" now.
Did seem quite nervous
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Met him a few times and he always seems shy.
Only a baby, he'll get more confident
Having thousands of women chasing him won't hurt his confidence either lol
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Harts loves his sandwiches ;D.
Rainesy did ok on the show. Said alot without saying much. No fantastic five statements so Wallace will be happy.
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Harts loves his sandwiches ;D.
Rainesy did ok on the show. Said alot without saying much. No fantastic five statements so Wallace will be happy.
Those guys crack me up. I love that show.
Haha the footage of Harts was funny :lol
What about Strauchanie(sp?) testing positive for MSG :lol At the rate Collingwood are going, he'd probably get a game.