Just a bit fun here. Why would we not take Ethan Phillips here if it was a key defender we wanted.His body of work was way in front of any tall defender playing vfl last year.
198CM PLAYER #1 in the comp for marks per game #1 for intercept possesions vfl team of the year etc just 23 as well.
Are we still taking best available or not.
Just a bit fun here. Why would we not take Ethan Phillips here if it was a key defender we wanted.His body of work was way in front of any tall defender playing vfl last year.
198CM PLAYER #1 in the comp for marks per game #1 for intercept possesions vfl team of the year etc just 23 as well.
Are we still taking best available or not.
Yeah but was he best available?? No way in the world. Youngs season was no where near Phillips.
Not that we desperately needed another key defender anyway.
No key forwards developing and only Jack Ross as a big mid in the two's.
It was pretty simple really, get a performing state league kpf like Kietel who kicked 70 goals in the wafl in 2021 or take a punt on an athletically gifted one like bradtke. Instead we could not look outside our own back door to take a type we don't really need who is not best available anyway
Just the other side of the coin here.
Yeah but was he best available?? No way in the world. Youngs season was no where near Phillips.
Not that we desperately needed another key defender anyway.
No key forwards developing and only Jack Ross as a big mid in the two's.
It was pretty simple really, get a performing state league kpf like Kietel who kicked 70 goals in the wafl in 2021 or take a punt on an athletically gifted one like bradtke. Instead we could not look outside our own back door to take a type we don't really need who is not best available anyway
Just the other side of the coin here.
Your kidding arent ya. Jack maybe solidly built but at just 181cm and 82kg he can hardly be decribed as a big mid.Yeah but was he best available?? No way in the world. Youngs season was no where near Phillips.
Not that we desperately needed another key defender anyway.
No key forwards developing and only Jack Ross as a big mid in the two's.
It was pretty simple really, get a performing state league kpf like Kietel who kicked 70 goals in the wafl in 2021 or take a punt on an athletically gifted one like bradtke. Instead we could not look outside our own back door to take a type we don't really need who is not best available anyway
Just the other side of the coin here.
Jack Graham will be a big body mid in the 2s next year now
Your kidding arent ya. Jack maybe solidly built but at just 181cm and 82kg he can hardly be decribed as a big mid.Yeah but was he best available?? No way in the world. Youngs season was no where near Phillips.
Not that we desperately needed another key defender anyway.
No key forwards developing and only Jack Ross as a big mid in the two's.
It was pretty simple really, get a performing state league kpf like Kietel who kicked 70 goals in the wafl in 2021 or take a punt on an athletically gifted one like bradtke. Instead we could not look outside our own back door to take a type we don't really need who is not best available anyway
Just the other side of the coin here.
Jack Graham will be a big body mid in the 2s next year now
Richmond rookie draftee Tylar Young’s off-beat path to the AFL
Tylar Young was drowning his sporting sorrows at his local when he was convinced to pick up a footy again. Four years later, he’s one of Richmond’s brightest prospects, writes SHANNON GILL.
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December 10, 2022
There’s wall-to-wall big screens in the front bar of the Star Hotel in Albury showing sport from the big smoke and around the world.
It has become the choice venue for sports fans on the Victoria/New South Wales border to watch the big moments, but it can also lay claim as the birthplace of an unlikely sporting story of its own.
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Umps weren't at fault, Tyler was puting his left hand on his oponent's shoulder to lever himself up to spoil with his right hand.
Why Tyler kept doing it is the question.
He will probably play round 1 because that's what we do
But from the small amount of the game I watched he is not ready for AFL IMHO
From memory, didn’t the player you’re referencing go undrafted?
Even if he did get drafted, let’s let this play out more than 1 meaningless praccy game shall we.
If they debut him we will just have to see if he sinks or swims I guess.
Regardless I am glad we have at least taken talls in Young and Bradtke.
Question though - why not Biggie? He's entering what his fourth year on the list? You'd think he would be much better placed than a rookie with one pre-season under his belt.
Miller will have to play forward/ruck or backline backup surely.
From memory, didn’t the player you’re referencing go undrafted?
Even if he did get drafted, let’s let this play out more than 1 meaningless praccy game shall we.
Yes he did and it happens all the time, good players left to rot in the vfl
Point being made Phillips simply ticked more boxes and looked like he had better attributes to play afl footy.
He may never get on a list and that would be a shame because if Young is worthy of a try Phillips is too.
From memory, didn’t the player you’re referencing go undrafted?
Even if he did get drafted, let’s let this play out more than 1 meaningless praccy game shall we.
Yes he did and it happens all the time, good players left to rot in the vfl
Point being made Phillips simply ticked more boxes and looked like he had better attributes to play afl footy.
He may never get on a list and that would be a shame because if Young is worthy of a try Phillips is too.
Maybe so but there’s just as many cases of players from state leagues who ‘tick all the boxes’ that come into the AFL and don’t show anything at all and are straight back to the state leagues in 2-3 seasons.
Young won't be debuting this week according to Dimma. Dimma was asked about Tylar playing and Dimma replied "probably not".RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has all but ruled out a debut for mature-age recruit Tylar Young as he ponders the best way to battle Carlton’s twin towers of Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay in Thursday night’s blockbuster AFL season opener.
WP you rate him ?I know zip about him so I can’t comment.
Best of luck to Tylar :clapping.
The injury last week looked quite bad when he went down and he was carried off by the trainers. Thankfully, it looked worse than it actually was, and he has recovered quickly.
Don't think he will get Walker. He will get one of the others like Himmelberg.
Balta -> Walker
Young -> Himmelberg
Grimes/Broad -> Fogarty
Grimes and Broad are too small to play on 2m tall 99kg Himmelberg though. Like you say Miller would've been the choice if he wasn't dropped.Best of luck to Tylar :clapping.
The injury last week looked quite bad when he went down and he was carried off by the trainers. Thankfully, it looked worse than it actually was, and he has recovered quickly.
Don't think he will get Walker. He will get one of the others like Himmelberg.
Balta -> Walker
Young -> Himmelberg
Grimes/Broad -> Fogarty
Grimes and Broad would get monstered by foggarty IMO. Reckon Young should go to him. Would have made sense to play Miller on H but oh well
They may well be needed for Thilthorpe if he comes in to their team as well, who gets him?Best of luck to Tylar :clapping.
The injury last week looked quite bad when he went down and he was carried off by the trainers. Thankfully, it looked worse than it actually was, and he has recovered quickly.
Don't think he will get Walker. He will get one of the others like Himmelberg.
Balta -> Walker
Young -> Himmelberg
Grimes/Broad -> Fogarty
Grimes and Broad would get monstered by foggarty IMO. Reckon Young should go to him. Would have made sense to play Miller on H but oh well
He was OK
Struggled with the pace of the game a bit which meant he either second guessed himself on what to do when the heat was on or he just stood flat footed
There was one kick in the 3rd that stood out when he kicked it to the wing. He looked great in that passage
With Broad about to be rubbed out he will play next week but will confess the Pies manic pace and pressure is going to test him big time
I was clearly wrong about this bloke. Exceeding my expectations thus far. He really has been pretty consistent without being flashy. Just does his job which is all he needs to do.
I was clearly wrong about this bloke. Exceeding my expectations thus far. He really has been pretty consistent without being flashy. Just does his job which is all he needs to do.
x 2
Though I would like to see him clunk a few marks when he has the opportunity rather than the punch all of the time
I was clearly wrong about this bloke. Exceeding my expectations thus far. He really has been pretty consistent without being flashy. Just does his job which is all he needs to do.
What the hell has Rutten done to him. He poos himself in every contest now and either turns it over or gives away a free kick
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalmMistakes yes he makes a few. People forget this guy has played less than 10 games ( I think, haven't done a count). I'll give him time.
I'll give him time.
Never know, that might end up being the case. I'm not saying he is the next Rance but it pays to remember how he was rated in his first 10 games.I'll give him time.
Yes - two years in the VFL..... :shh
Also quotes should include the whole quote to keep context.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalmMistakes yes he makes a few. People forget this guy has played less than 10 games ( I think, haven't done a count). I'll give him time.
Once it hits the ground though...Remember Rance and Grimes when they first started?
Once it hits the ground though...Remember Rance and Grimes when they first started?
He has been horrid and ordinary just shows stats by themselves are useless.
For the record i thought Rance very early on ordinary in one v ones especially when he had to just stand and defend one v one.
Of course that improved but i still dont think it was his greatest asset.
I watched a fair bit of him as a colts player at swan districts and his movement over the ground always stood out. Reckon often he struggled when stationary but was unbeatable when in motion.
Grimes was great defending, but it took him forever to start taking intercept marks and contested marks. All he did for a couple of years was master the spoilOnce it hits the ground though...Remember Rance and Grimes when they first started?
Thought Grimes was great from the get go myself.
Rance poor by foot but considerably more combative at ground level.
Thought to tonight was his best game yet and tough opposition. Maybe he will continue to improve with some confidence.
Great game by the kid. Young won the battle tonight. Clear winner.
He's 24 so not exactly a kid. :shh
Bleak future if this bloke's a highlight. :shh
Id love to see the yaysers tell me what outstanding attributes he has.
Keep don't keep it has to based on some substance. He has one redeeming feature and as a defender you hope all defenders have it he has an ability to get a fist in to spoil. Thats his outstanding feature.
Just don't see any thing else in him that stands out. This bloke while inexperienced is not a kid will be 25 next and should be near the top of his game. Really hope im wrong but we are looking for A grade defenders moving fwd to build a team around and he will never get anywhere near it.
I think the bottom line here is about actually rebuilding and blokes like Young atm are stop gaps plugging the holes hoping we don't bottom out. His spot should be going to a talented kid. Trouble with that is we only have one kid and he is actually required.The result is we wallow in mediocrity.
Again was our best key defender back there today. Our defence, both as a team and a back 6 needs do much work it’s not funny.
Again was our best key defender back there today. Our defence, both as a team and a back 6 needs do much work it’s not funny.
Larkey kicked 6 so I'm not sure he was our best defender. But I reckon he would learnt a lot today
His improvement from the first half of the year has been remarkable TBH.
Our biggest issue done back continues to be Grkmes
Again was our best key defender back there today. Our defence, both as a team and a back 6 needs do much work it’s not funny.
Larkey kicked 6 so I'm not sure he was our best defender. But I reckon he would learnt a lot today
His improvement from the first half of the year has been remarkable TBH.
Our biggest issue done back continues to be Grkmes
Him & Balta together were like Laurel & Hardy - once they were separated they both started to think for themselves... :shh
Would have to be the worse KPD running around
DioDUD:thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown
He is softer than a soccer player in the Italian league. Him and Short need to go. I don't give a stuff if we have to play a little leaguer instead of him. He stinks worse than the Werribee sewerage farm.Soccer players not just in Italy but all over are not soft. They are just cheats. They do what they do to stall, stop the game. It's tactical softness and I hate it. Can't stand it to be honest.
He is softer than a soccer player in the Italian league. Him and Short need to go. I don't give a stuff if we have to play a little leaguer instead of him. He stinks worse than the Werribee sewerage farm.Soccer players not just in Italy but all over are not soft. They are just cheats. They do what they do to stall, stop the game. It's tactical softness and I hate it. Can't stand it to be honest.
Anyway I'm showing as many Italians as possible what real football is. And yes I show them footage of our glory days not current team. They all think we are nuts.
I keep telling them , soccer is a sissy version of football.
You still don't get it.and you never will.He is softer than a soccer player in the Italian league. Him and Short need to go. I don't give a stuff if we have to play a little leaguer instead of him. He stinks worse than the Werribee sewerage farm.Soccer players not just in Italy but all over are not soft. They are just cheats. They do what they do to stall, stop the game. It's tactical softness and I hate it. Can't stand it to be honest.
Anyway I'm showing as many Italians as possible what real football is. And yes I show them footage of our glory days not current team. They all think we are nuts.
I keep telling them , soccer is a sissy version of football.
Italian footballers are diving rolling sooks
https://youtu.be/Rh2KLm4DpXE?si=2USYzEXuRhml7iIQ
Embarrassments to themselves and their country
Losers
You still don't get it.and you never will.He is softer than a soccer player in the Italian league. Him and Short need to go. I don't give a stuff if we have to play a little leaguer instead of him. He stinks worse than the Werribee sewerage farm.Soccer players not just in Italy but all over are not soft. They are just cheats. They do what they do to stall, stop the game. It's tactical softness and I hate it. Can't stand it to be honest.
Anyway I'm showing as many Italians as possible what real football is. And yes I show them footage of our glory days not current team. They all think we are nuts.
I keep telling them , soccer is a sissy version of football.
Italian footballers are diving rolling sooks
https://youtu.be/Rh2KLm4DpXE?si=2USYzEXuRhml7iIQ
Embarrassments to themselves and their country
Losers
Anyway Italy played Australia recently in rugby
How did that fair?
Bait me as much as you want, but seriously, seek help.
Suspected ACL they are saying
Looked a brazillion times better with Balta back there instead of Young
Difficult one as Kosi played his best game so far when moved to defence. I think we continue with Ryan but we certainly need another tall forward option.
Only VFL but Kosi looked far better down back yesterday than Young has at any point this year.... :shhKosi played in defence all his junior years . Maybe that's his natural position
Dawks supporters reckon he was shyte down there and he's best games were when he rucked.......so who knows...... :shhNever realised hawk supporters watched Kosi play in his junior days
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
because we had 7 Cat A rookies which is 1 too many.
We now have 28 on main list which enables us to take 8 at the draft
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
because we had 7 Cat A rookies which is 1 too many.
We now have 28 on main list which enables us to take 8 at the draft
Spot on. Seems like a strange decision given where he is at
But why Young?
I would have promoted Campbell or Blight ahead of Young
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
because we had 7 Cat A rookies which is 1 too many.
We now have 28 on main list which enables us to take 8 at the draft
But why Young?
I would have promoted Campbell or Blight ahead of Young
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
because we had 7 Cat A rookies which is 1 too many.
We now have 28 on main list which enables us to take 8 at the draft
But why Young?
I would have promoted Campbell or Blight ahead of Young
no idea, I thought it may have been Seth
BTW, Young has played more AFL games that the 2 you mention combined , not sure why you or anyone else finds them that good TBH
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
because we had 7 Cat A rookies which is 1 too many.
We now have 28 on main list which enables us to take 8 at the draft
But why Young?
I would have promoted Campbell or Blight ahead of Young
no idea, I thought it may have been Seth
BTW, Young has played more AFL games that the 2 you mention combined , not sure why you or anyone else finds them that good TBH
You could argue Campbell potentially, but blight? He’s been at the club 6 months and played 3 games. For all Young’s faults, he’s certainly ahead of blight on the pecking order and that’s no fault on blight, he just hasn’t had the game time yet.
Okay. Not sure why we need to do this.
because we had 7 Cat A rookies which is 1 too many.
We now have 28 on main list which enables us to take 8 at the draft
Spot on. Seems like a strange decision given where he is at
But why Young?
I would have promoted Campbell or Blight ahead of Young
We just be really stupid to not want this guy to stay.
We just be really stupid to not want this guy to stay.
They want him to stay
But he has to want to stay.
If he doesn't and chooses to walk that's on him not the Club
We just be really stupid to not want this guy to stay.
They want him to stay
But he has to want to stay.
If he doesn't and chooses to walk that's on him not the Club
Yeah okay. What if the offer is a slap in the face that makes him want to leave?
The club is riding on the fact that gibcus and balta will take us to the promised land.
We just be really stupid to not want this guy to stay.
They want him to stay
But he has to want to stay.
If he doesn't and chooses to walk that's on him not the Club
Yeah okay. What if the offer is a slap in the face that makes him want to leave?
The club is riding on the fact that gibcus and balta will take us to the promised land.
His not worth a 4 year contract full stop based on 8 games this year regardless just like Ryan wasn't either
We just be really stupid to not want this guy to stay.
They want him to stay
But he has to want to stay.
If he doesn't and chooses to walk that's on him not the Club
Yeah okay. What if the offer is a slap in the face that makes him want to leave?
The club is riding on the fact that gibcus and balta will take us to the promised land.
His not worth a 4 year contract full stop based on 8 games this year regardless just like Ryan wasn't either
is that what he wants? We know this for sure?
young and 2 other talls going is a fair bit IMO.
Gibcus has proven nothing
I believe we've offered him two years. If someone's offered him 4 we may need to at least offer three.
We don't need talls, period, unless there's an actual mature body KPF who we can bring in if Lynch goes down and Lefau isn't fit.
Miller, Young, Balta, Gibcus, Trainor, Gray. Even Brown and Broad. We are sorted down back to the point that we delisted Blight.
Forward we have Lynch, Lefau, Armstrong, Faull, Sims. Much less suitable demographic.
I believe we've offered him two years. If someone's offered him 4 we may need to at least offer three.
We don't need talls, period, unless there's an actual mature body KPF who we can bring in if Lynch goes down and Lefau isn't fit.
Miller, Young, Balta, Gibcus, Trainor, Gray. Even Brown and Broad. We are sorted down back to the point that we delisted Blight.
Forward we have Lynch, Lefau, Armstrong, Faull, Sims. Much less suitable demographic.
Don't agree.
Balta. Gibcus. Miller. Trainor. Gray. - is not enough key defenders. More so when you consider the coach like to play 4 bigs in the back 6.
Young. Blight. Kosi. Is a lot of depth to lose in one go.
I believe we've offered him two years. If someone's offered him 4 we may need to at least offer three.
We don't need talls, period, unless there's an actual mature body KPF who we can bring in if Lynch goes down and Lefau isn't fit.
Miller, Young, Balta, Gibcus, Trainor, Gray. Even Brown and Broad. We are sorted down back to the point that we delisted Blight.
Forward we have Lynch, Lefau, Armstrong, Faull, Sims. Much less suitable demographic.
Don't agree.
Balta. Gibcus. Miller. Trainor. Gray. - is not enough key defenders. More so when you consider the coach like to play 4 bigs in the back 6.
Young. Blight. Kosi. Is a lot of depth to lose in one go.
I meant that I'm not taking a Zain Lockwood as a rookie when we've just cut Blight.
Just keep Blight instead. Simple.
I believe we've offered him two years. If someone's offered him 4 we may need to at least offer three.
We don't need talls, period, unless there's an actual mature body KPF who we can bring in if Lynch goes down and Lefau isn't fit.
Miller, Young, Balta, Gibcus, Trainor, Gray. Even Brown and Broad. We are sorted down back to the point that we delisted Blight.
Forward we have Lynch, Lefau, Armstrong, Faull, Sims. Much less suitable demographic.
Don't agree.
Balta. Gibcus. Miller. Trainor. Gray. - is not enough key defenders. More so when you consider the coach like to play 4 bigs in the back 6.
Young. Blight. Kosi. Is a lot of depth to lose in one go.
Lots of chatter about this on other forums.
I think their P33 or whatever it is, isn't enough.
He's best 23 and will be in their best 23 also. 27 all season next year, could get 5-8 years out of him if he stays healthy. Should be entering him physical prime etc.
No club walks anyone to the PSD anymore either. I wish people would shut up about it, it simply doesn't happen. CCJ didn't do it, Baker didn't do it, Young WILL NOT do it unless we are asking for pick 1 ffs lol.
I'd be asking for P20 which will slide to 25+
Lots of chatter about this on other forums.
I think their P33 or whatever it is, isn't enough.
He's best 23 and will be in their best 23 also. 27 all season next year, could get 5-8 years out of him if he stays healthy. Should be entering him physical prime etc.
No club walks anyone to the PSD anymore either. I wish people would shut up about it, it simply doesn't happen. CCJ didn't do it, Baker didn't do it, Young WILL NOT do it unless we are asking for pick 1 ffs lol.
I'd be asking for P20 which will slide to 25+
Lots of chatter about this on other forums.
I think their P33 or whatever it is, isn't enough.
He's best 23 and will be in their best 23 also. 27 all season next year, could get 5-8 years out of him if he stays healthy. Should be entering him physical prime etc.
No club walks anyone to the PSD anymore either. I wish people would shut up about it, it simply doesn't happen. CCJ didn't do it, Baker didn't do it, Young WILL NOT do it unless we are asking for pick 1 ffs lol.
I'd be asking for P20 which will slide to 25+
He was and would be behind a fit and non suspended:
Balta.
Miller.
Broad.
Gibcus.
Trainor.
The coach seems to have similar thoughts based on his recent comments.
That said I'd be over the moon with a pick like that
Lots of chatter about this on other forums.
I think their P33 or whatever it is, isn't enough.
He's best 23 and will be in their best 23 also. 27 all season next year, could get 5-8 years out of him if he stays healthy. Should be entering him physical prime etc.
No club walks anyone to the PSD anymore either. I wish people would shut up about it, it simply doesn't happen. CCJ didn't do it, Baker didn't do it, Young WILL NOT do it unless we are asking for pick 1 ffs lol.
I'd be asking for P20 which will slide to 25+
He was and would be behind a fit and non suspended:
Balta.
Miller.
Broad.
Gibcus.
Trainor.
The coach seems to have similar thoughts based on his recent comments.
That said I'd be over the moon with a pick like that
Balta has been in crap form
Broad is a different size, role and will retire after next year.
Gibcus has played about half a game in two years ffs.
Trainor a kid, also not playing let defender but doing his best footy playing loose or in the pocket etc.
Young paired super well with Miller. Starting 18 and will be in their starting 18, going into his physical prime. Stuffed if I know why some idiots are on their knees ready to lap up P50 odd.
Andy he is a 27 year old with 35 afl games to his name, coming off an ACL injury. Not sure what you think is a fair pick for him but in any case we have 0 leverage here. Out of contract and eagles are ahead of us in the draft, if we really want to be difficult here they can and will walk him to the PSD.
And seemingly regardless of whether it’s a pick in the 30s, 40s or 50s it’s just 1 that we will use to grab kellaway so what’s really the difference here?
Appreciate the passion Andy but I can't see anything under pick 40 being offered. We are only offering 2 year deal? You offer more than that for guys with pick 20 trade value.
I actually think hes true worth is about pick 40-45. If we can somehow convince Eagles that their pick 35 is actually Pick 40 with all concessions and compos, it may get over the line.
Disappointed he is leaving. Club was very supportive of him especially whilst recovering from ACL injury. Was getting opportunities. I am probably wrong but I see it as a kick in the guts to the Club.
Gray fmd why do people keep talking about him? He's done less than Blight and more injury prone but people talk about him like Kelvin Moore post hip injury.
He’s a very limited player eliminator.
It says more about west coast and their desperation for players than us.
Disappointed he is leaving. Club was very supportive of him especially whilst recovering from ACL injury. Was getting opportunities. I am probably wrong but I see it as a kick in the guts to the Club.
What's the alternative?
Clubs have to support contracted players with injury.
Not everyone is motivated by money and to say so is simplistic nonsense. There are many other factors which influence decision making. Dustin could have left Richmond on multiple occasions for better deals but didn't. Without knowing the details of the contracts it is just conjecture.
Gray fmd why do people keep talking about him? He's done less than Blight and more injury prone but people talk about him like Kelvin Moore post hip injury.
Injury prone? How do you figure that one?
His first season he comes in as mid season rookie pick and does a hamstring
This year he hurts his knee on a sub-standard surface out at Beaconsfield, same day as Juddy Clarke. From what I got told it was a unique injury likened to a syndesmosis injury to your knee. Then in his comeback game going back with the flight of the ball gets collected, badly broken nose and concussion. Not sure how that equals being injury prone :huh
To suggest Gray has shown less than Blight is a bad call because clearly the Club doesn't see it that way. Interestingly out of the 3 re-signings announced yesterday Gray was the only one who got 2 years. Think you need to remember he can also play forward. Perfect swing man as they say
I think with Balta, Miller, Gibcus, Gray as our keyback talls we have things covered.
IMHO Youmg showed plenty when he came back from his knee. Having not been a fan I will put my hand up and say I was genuinely surprised (pleasantly) with his improvement.
He has now made a choice to go, don't like it but that's the choice he's made. Time to get the deal done
We are not going to get a 2nd rounder for him, that's fanciful thinking. 3rd rounder seems right and fair to me.
As neither of us had access to the contracts at the time to comment on their terms is pure speculation. There are countless players in recent times who have signed for less money than they could have got at another club. All I am saying is there are many factors to making a decision.
As neither of us had access to the contracts at the time to comment on their terms is pure speculation. There are countless players in recent times who have signed for less money than they could have got at another club. All I am saying is there are many factors to making a decision.
We matched their 3rd year part of the offer but they're obviously offering more money. It must be quite significant for him to leave you'd think.
Let's agree to disagree
I'm disappointed that we're losing Young and everyone talks about Gray like we have a diamond in the rough lmao. He's done nothing mostly in the rehab group.
I thought Blight showed more in the backline, forward line and ruck.
Bottom line here is that if Gray doesn't become a useful player then there will be some egg on some faces but I'm quite confident Young has done more and we should have just matched the WCE offer so he'd stay.
Let's agree to disagree
I'm disappointed that we're losing Young and everyone talks about Gray like we have a diamond in the rough lmao. He's done nothing mostly in the rehab group.
I thought Blight showed more in the backline, forward line and ruck.
Funny I thought he showed plenty in his limited AFL games. Very good in his debut game....
Clearly, in the Club's view he shown more than Blight. Hence, the 2 year extension. And yeah from what I've seen of him at AFL and VFL level he has some great attributes and may just be the a diamond in the rough.
And let's be clear on one important point here Tylar has chosen to leave, which is his choice.QuoteBottom line here is that if Gray doesn't become a useful player then there will be some egg on some faces but I'm quite confident Young has done more and we should have just matched the WCE offer so he'd stay.
Are you seriously suggesting that we should simply just match contract offers for the sake of it so players don't leave?
The Club made him offer. Offered him what they believe he is worth. Young has decided it's not good enough and wants to go, then he goes. That is his choice.
Bigger picture here going forward and it's called Free Agency targets in 2026.... would think that getting the war chest ready is a bit more important than whether Tylar Young stays.
All contract decisions aren't just about the now for our Club but the future as well
I can’t believe the carry on about Young
Anyone would think it was Alex Rance
Gray fmd why do people keep talking about him? He's done less than Blight and more injury prone but people talk about him like Kelvin Moore post hip injury.
Injury prone? How do you figure that one?
His first season he comes in as mid season rookie pick and does a hamstring
Yes, very bad hammy
This year he hurts his knee on a sub-standard surface out at Beaconsfield, same day as Juddy Clarke. From what I got told it was a unique injury likened to a syndesmosis injury to your knee. Then in his comeback game going back with the flight of the ball gets collected, badly broken nose and concussion. Not sure how that equals being injury prone :huh
Clarke has a knee problem and a predisposition, Gray hopefully does not. I don't think the surface can be blamed for Clarke's multiple knees. It's possible they both did knees because they're injury-prone.
To suggest Gray has shown less than Blight is a bad call because clearly the Club doesn't see it that way. Interestingly out of the 3 re-signings announced yesterday Gray was the only one who got 2 years. Think you need to remember he can also play forward. Perfect swing man as they say
I guess I see it different to the club then. At the end of the day Blight managed 10 games (vs Gray's 3) and probably should have been given another chance at the end of 2025 but the club appears reluctant to trigger his extension. Pies interested now, hmmm. Was anybody asking about Gray?
I think with Balta, Miller, Gibcus, Gray as our keyback talls we have things covered.
I don't disagree, except that Balta's form has been so poor (hopefully improves) and Gibcus has hardly been fit and has played half a game in two years or whatever. Miller is the only fit and in-form one there. Young had returned from a knee reco and was in form (rated 7th best defender in the AFL, was he not, towards the end of the season?) whereas Blight was fit and in form in the VFL, carving it up pretty much every week. Makes you wonder if there's a personality issue? All we had to do was play him 1 game and extend him for a year but we decided we'd rather let him go for nothing which is odd...
IMHO Youmg showed plenty when he came back from his knee. Having not been a fan I will put my hand up and say I was genuinely surprised (pleasantly) with his improvement.
He has now made a choice to go, don't like it but that's the choice he's made. Time to get the deal done
We are not going to get a 2nd rounder for him, that's fanciful thinking. 3rd rounder seems right and fair to me.
I think it's a poor outcome if we end up with P40 or so, but at least we'll have a pick for Louis.
Let's agree to disagree
I'm disappointed that we're losing Young and everyone talks about Gray like we have a diamond in the rough lmao. He's done nothing mostly in the rehab group.
I thought Blight showed more in the backline, forward line and ruck.
Funny I thought he showed plenty in his limited AFL games. Very good in his debut game....
Showed plenty before we subbed him off from memory
Clearly, in the Club's view he shown more than Blight. Hence, the 2 year extension. And yeah from what I've seen of him at AFL and VFL level he has some great attributes and may just be the a diamond in the rough.
Genuinely hope he is (diamond)
And let's be clear on one important point here Tylar has chosen to leave, which is his choice.QuoteBottom line here is that if Gray doesn't become a useful player then there will be some egg on some faces but I'm quite confident Young has done more and we should have just matched the WCE offer so he'd stay.
Are you seriously suggesting that we should simply just match contract offers for the sake of it so players don't leave?
I guess it depends on the $$$ difference, but in some circumstances - yes. Isn't that the point of the RFA situation? However you'd have to think WCE offered significantly more money than us, so it's only worth increasing to a point, but there's also a point at which the difference is so small that someone like Young simply won't leave. For example if it's $50k/year and he's going to lose half in taxes and agent fees, uproot his life and move half way across the country...for what, $500/week? Doubt it.
The Club made him offer. Offered him what they believe he is worth. Young has decided it's not good enough and wants to go, then he goes. That is his choice.
Sometimes we pay overs, sometimes we get players to stay for less. I think with the current list and the TPP requirement we could have afforded to pay more to secure a key defender who another 3 clubs all enquired about.
Bigger picture here going forward and it's called Free Agency targets in 2026.... would think that getting the war chest ready is a bit more important than whether Tylar Young stays.
Don't disagree, but also don't think Young's contract would have any impact, we're talking peanuts compaired to the TTP limit. We are surely paying the 95% and have loads of space available given our current list. War chest is there and ready unless the club has seriously F'd something else up.
All contract decisions aren't just about the now for our Club but the future as well
I can’t believe the carry on about Young
Anyone would think it was Alex Rance
I actually really like Young. But if we take this build seriously, he's not part of it next gen and replaceable. We have plenty of options down back. Don't like seeing players go but this is one that we can survive.
Young is 28 next year and has played 30 odd games.
On what possible basis does he have 5+ years left?
And who’s spot is he taking?
Balta, Gibcus, Miller, Trainor or Grey?
He might just shade Grey in that pecking order
And, he wants to go. Let him.
Young is 28 next year and has played 30 odd games.
On what possible basis does he have 5+ years left?
And who’s spot is he taking?
Balta, Gibcus, Miller, Trainor or Grey?
He might just shade Grey in that pecking order
And, he wants to go. Let him.
He's turning 28 after the 2026 H&A season.
I'm basing 5+ years on his current age + the usual retirement age for most established players which seems to be 32-34 these days.
1 more year > he turns 28
2 > 29
3 > 30
4 > 31
5 > 32
6 > 33
7 > 34
As for spots... has Gray pushed Young out with his 3 games to date?
Gibcus with his 67-ish minutes played in the last 18 months?
I think for me the bottom line for me is if we get pick 56 it will slide to nearly 65. Pick 37 will be nearly 45. Both are ordinary and we'd be better off with Young on the list, and it would be darned shame if we lost him for $200k/year out of the TPP when our list is currently so cheap.
Young is 28 next year and has played 30 odd games.
On what possible basis does he have 5+ years left?
And who’s spot is he taking?
Balta, Gibcus, Miller, Trainor or Grey?
He might just shade Grey in that pecking order
And, he wants to go. Let him.
He's turning 28 after the 2026 H&A season.
I'm basing 5+ years on his current age + the usual retirement age for most established players which seems to be 32-34 these days.
1 more year > he turns 28
2 > 29
3 > 30
4 > 31
5 > 32
6 > 33
7 > 34
As for spots... has Gray pushed Young out with his 3 games to date?
Gibcus with his 67-ish minutes played in the last 18 months?
I think for me the bottom line for me is if we get pick 56 it will slide to nearly 65. Pick 37 will be nearly 45. Both are ordinary and we'd be better off with Young on the list, and it would be darned shame if we lost him for $200k/year out of the TPP when our list is currently so cheap.
You are aware when clubs match bids they usually use up more than 1 pick yes?
I want both picks!
56 for Kellaway.
37 for...fun.
I want both picks!
56 for Kellaway.
37 for...fun.
He wants 37 and 56?
Tell him he’s dreamin!
I want both picks!
56 for Kellaway.
37 for...fun.
Pick 56 is worth …. zero points for f/s.
There’s a link on the father son thread that Taz Tiger posted, shows points total for this year. In their new proposed model it will be worth 0 but that won’t strt until next year if it gets approved.
Sounds like wce / Matty Clarke have squibbed it on the Brandon Starcevich
Deal.
Hopefully does the same for young
Sounds like wce / Matty Clarke have squibbed it on the Brandon Starcevich
Deal.
Hopefully does the same for young
I read there's a threesome involving Freowaytogo but the pick swaps are so numerous I sort of lose sight of what's actually happening.
It doesn’t sound like kellaway will make it past 40 so we can’t rookie him.
Done deal for pick 38 👍
When bids come in it moves to about 41 ish
Sounds about right
When bids come in it moves to about 41 ish
Sounds about right
Are you sure?
Might go the other way with picks required to match