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Title: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 02, 2023, 06:39:03 PM
AFL Round 4

RICHMOND vs Western Bulldogs


Saturday, 8th April @ the M.C.G.

Start time: 4:35 PM (AEST)


Odds (Sportsbet):
Richmond  $1.42
Bulldogs    $2.89

https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4815
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: pmac21 on April 02, 2023, 09:35:22 PM
How the hell are we favourite
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 02, 2023, 10:13:26 PM
What are you talking about?
Bulldogs have been pantsed by Saints and Dees, played a classically enigmatic Brisbane away.
They have no consistent game plan, little or no defensive intent through any of their mid or forward line and their coach is as enigmatic as their playing list.

On any measure, we should be favourites.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 02, 2023, 10:21:27 PM
What are you talking about?
Bulldogs have been pantsed by Saints and Dees, played a classically enigmatic Brisbane away.
They have no consistent game plan, little or no defensive intent through any of their mid or forward line and their coach is as enigmatic as their playing list.

On any measure, we should be favourites.

Yep, Brisbane did what Brisbane does

Bulldogs just did what they do, win one they're not expected to....

With the "ins" we are expecting it would be crazy if we weren't favourites
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 02, 2023, 10:40:22 PM
On our home deck I’m expecting a better performance and improved pressure on opposition with hopefully better tackling technique.

I would also like to see better delivery across the field but especially kicking inside 50.

An improvement from our senior players especially Grimes and Vlaustin who I think have either, mentally, already retired or haven’t returned from holidays as yet.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 05, 2023, 05:46:39 PM
WHO WILL WIN AND WHY? THE PREDICTIONS AND TIPS FOR ROUND 4

Jack Makeham
SEN
5 April 2023


Richmond v Western Bulldogs

The Tigers and Bulldogs are two sides that are still trying to find their groove, and a win for either side in Saturday's clash could go a long way in that process.

The Bulldogs are coming off their first win of the season, putting together a strong performance against the Lions to take a 14-point victory.

That match was by far the best the Dogs have looked in all aspects of the game in 2023, with their backline holding Brisbane to just 53 points, and their forwards finally finding some form.

Meanwhile, Richmond became the latest victims of Collingwood’s white-hot start to the year, falling to the Magpies in a scrappy wet-weather affair.

Expectations were high for this Tigers squad coming into the season, however after three rounds they’re yet to put together a truly complete performance, with their sole win over Adelaide looking shaky at stages.

Both clubs have had trouble with their efficiency going inside 50 to start the year, each sitting near the bottom of average points per game as a result.

Despite this, the Tigers certainly have the star power and track record to come out of the gates firing, so the Bulldogs’ backline looks set to have their hands full.

Richmond will receive a hefty boost heading into the matchup with the return of Dustin Martin and Jacob Hopper, however the Dogs certainly have the talent to match.

With both sides heading to the MCG desperate for a win, this is a clash that could ultimately go down to the wire.

Tip: Richmond by 8 points

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/05/who-will-win-and-why-the-predictions-and-tips-for-round-4-1/
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 05, 2023, 05:48:21 PM
One player from every AFL team that must stand out from the pack: Round 4

Doran Smith
SEN
5 April 2023


Richmond v Western Bulldogs

Richmond:

Tom Lynch must have more impact on the game in Round 4 than he did in Round 3. He was matched up with Billy Frampton for much of the game against Collingwood and only managed one goal – he needs to be better than that. He also needs to help bring the ball to ground for the likes of Shai Bolton and Maurice Rioli.

Western Bulldogs:

Adam Treloar has only unfortunately played two games in season 2023 as the Bulldogs need him to stay injury free. He racks up the stats and has averaged the most score involvements of any Western Bulldogs player with 5.50 score involvements per game. It’s difficult to find a matchup for Treloar, as most of the planning by Richmond should go into curtailing the influence of Marcus Bontempelli.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/04/05/one-player-stuff-round-4/
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 06, 2023, 02:23:55 AM
Whateley and Brad Johnson on AFL360 and Lloyd and Bartel on Footy Classified all going for the Dogs to win.

Lloyd added he doesn't know where Richmond is at. Perhaps top 8 but not top 4.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Chuck17 on April 06, 2023, 08:56:19 AM

Lloyd added he doesn't know where Richmond is at. Perhaps top 8 but not top 4.

First time ive agreed with the diver
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 06, 2023, 01:09:05 PM

Lloyd added he doesn't know where Richmond is at. Perhaps top 8 but not top 4.

First time ive agreed with the diver

the diver is 100% correct. My view of us hasn't changed in over 12 months. We have a 7-12 team at the moment who has forgotten to play consistent september football, largely to age of personnel.

We wont be doing anything in september unless that changes.

Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Oh goody! We've got Deboy umpiring this week :help.


Umpires:
Brett Rosebury (8)
Robert O'Gorman (10)
Curtis Deboy (11)
Andrew Heffernan (29)

https://aflua.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Round-4.pdf
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Knighter on April 06, 2023, 07:16:16 PM
stuff me.  Deboy the Port loving cheat and O'Gorman the equal worst umpire in the league along with Fisher.   This is going to be a complete farce.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 07, 2023, 04:05:59 PM
'Bit of a surprise': Dogs bemused by Tigers' selection call

afl.com.au/AAP
7 April 2023


Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge admits he was surprised by Richmond's call to rest premiership heroes Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt for their round four clash on Saturday afternoon.

Beveridge said he had also been planning for dynamic forward Maurice Rioli jnr, who was omitted, to play.

"It was a bit of a surprise, you plan for those guys (Cotchin and Riewoldt) playing, even Rioli," Beveridge said on Friday.

"Part of (Friday) morning was just spent processing and digesting the changes and what that means for us.

"Then we just take care of our roles and our application. It doesn't change a lot for us.

"We've been playing our three key defenders and the boys (Alex Keath, Liam Jones and Josh Bruce) were terrific last week.

"It just means that one of them here and there will need to play on a small-to-medium forward (instead of Riewoldt) which is fine. Our keys are pretty agile."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/897935/-bit-of-a-surprise-dogs-bemused-by-tigers-selection-call
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 08, 2023, 01:35:53 AM
THE CERTAINTIES FOR THE REST OF ROUND 4

Richmond v Western Bulldogs:


Andrew Slevison
SEN
8 April 2023


Taranto to have 25+ disposals

Tim Taranto has been impressive in his early few games for the Tigers.

Across three rounds he has averaged a tick under 30 disposals, amassing 32, 28 and 29 respectively.

In his five career outings against the Bulldogs while with GWS, Taranto averaged 27 touches.

Armed with all that info, we feel Taranto is primed to pick up at least 25 disposals against the Dogs at the MCG on Saturday evening.

Daniel and Dale to combine for 45+ disposals

In seven games against Richmond, Caleb Daniel averages 27.4 disposals which is his best return against any club.

While he is slightly down on his usual output in 2023, averaging 23.7 touches, he tends to be more prolific against the Tigers with 26, 34, 22, 36 and 29 in his last five.

Teammate Bailey Dale has enjoyed two big games against Richmond in his career, picking up 27 touches in 2021 and 31 last year.

He averages a tick over 23 possessions in 2023.

Daniel and Dale have the scope to combine for at least 45 disposals in Round 4.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/07/the-14-certainties-for-the-rest-of-round-4/
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: georgies31 on April 08, 2023, 06:09:49 AM
I reckon it's a danger game personally and I don't like this crap resting players in rd 4 so early veterans or not.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2023, 03:52:54 PM
No late changes.

Cotch confirmed as the sub. Hannan is the Dogs' sub.

Seems odd to have Cotch as the sub  if we are "managing" him. What if we suffer an injury in the first quarter? He'll still effectively have to play a full game.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2023, 03:58:15 PM
I reckon it's a danger game personally and I don't like this crap resting players in rd 4 so early veterans or not.
To be honest, I'm not keen on it either. Happy with the ins but not a fan of the outs. Fear the Dogs will rebound out of F50 with little pressure. Hopefully, I'm wrong and Dimma will prove again why he is the coach.

One thing for sure, we can't allow the Dogs' midfield to smash us in the contested ball like the Pies did last week.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 04:45:32 PM
Geez - too easy  :thumbsdown
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 04:48:53 PM
Juddy - watch ya kicks
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 04:49:42 PM
Baker and Clarke's kicking is terrible. Just terrible.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 04:53:20 PM
Tylar Young has some gumption. :)
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: TigerLand on April 08, 2023, 04:56:36 PM
We've bottled this at selection again.

How is Maurice not playing in the wet. Absolutely zero forward pressure. Ryan a witches hat in wet and monstered in ruck. Why do we continue to stuff the most simple thing in football and licking best team for opponent and conditions.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 04:58:54 PM
Who’s on Bailey Dale?
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 05:00:27 PM
Bad kicking is bad football.

Someone needs to tell them to calm down. This is terrible football. Going at 40-odd percent kicking efficiency.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 05:04:40 PM
It’s going to be a long season >:(
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: pmac21 on April 08, 2023, 05:06:47 PM
We gunna get smashed.  Midfield completely unaccountable. 
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 05:07:17 PM
Woeful
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 08, 2023, 05:09:09 PM
Our boys clearly don’t train with the ball.

Skill level is atrocious it’s the worse I’ve seen since 1989.

Rubbish.  :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 08, 2023, 05:11:02 PM
Judson Clarke has hit Doggies players lace out 3 times :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 05:12:28 PM
Don't know about anyone else but I consider Baker very droppable after that quarter. He has no respect for the football and is setting the tone for us with this frantic, fumbly, bumbly, dispose first, look later bullspit that has creeped into our game.

Needs to drop down to the VFL with Maurice and relearn how to kick and handball before he's allowed to possess the football in the 1s again.

I remember there was a time when we were rubbish in the 2012-2016 era when we were epitomised by failing, last-gasp Steve Morris lunges at the football and that is what we have become again. Everyone falling to ground thinking they are achieving a 1%er when actually they just can't keep their feet and play basic football well.

Look. Think. Dispose.

Not ...

Dispose. Fall Over. Lunge.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 08, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
I know how we are trying to play but so far it's not working

Our set up at centre bounces is deplorable

Nice to see Dusty in there though
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2023, 05:12:50 PM
Our skill level and giving up centre clearances has been as bad as the umps. We're just making it so easy for the Dogs to feed off our turnovers.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 05:15:09 PM
Oh my goodness we look slow
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 05:15:55 PM
Kicking below 50% :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: TigerLand on April 08, 2023, 05:17:59 PM
Doesn't help with 3 absolutely howler decisions that were so costly.

Noah push in back was so soft.
50m penalty please.
Holding back / throw vs Naughton how to Libba and Goal.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: TigerLand on April 08, 2023, 05:18:34 PM
Playing a dry track team at a wet G and getting slammed is shameful. Dogs are crap.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 05:18:50 PM
Nank seems to always tap to the opposition
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Go Richo 12 on April 08, 2023, 05:19:11 PM
We are losing this with clearances. Taranto, Hopper, Prestia in there and we can’t win a clearance?
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Damo on April 08, 2023, 05:20:57 PM
Twice Balta hasn’t been willing to get crunched to help out a teammate
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: pmac21 on April 08, 2023, 05:22:11 PM
Lynch hamstring id say
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 05:23:50 PM
Thanks umpire for ignoring the hold on Ryan.

Cumberland has to stay in the team. He's the only one who can use the ball properly.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 05:26:06 PM
Fantastic to see Kevin Bartlett still kicking goals at his age.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 05:27:51 PM
That's why he's in the ****ing team!
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 05:38:06 PM
Suddenly turning it on at the 'G in the wet!  :gotigers
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: lamington on April 08, 2023, 05:42:11 PM
Loved Dusty’s usage with ball in hand. Always puts it to the teams advantage. Good to see he’s still a tough match up for opposition
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 05:45:15 PM
Loved Dusty’s usage with ball in hand. Always puts it to the teams advantage. Good to see he’s still a tough match up for opposition
He looks back tbh. Stronger, quicker, sharper. Get another 6 weeks of footy into him and he might well be dominating games again.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2023, 05:47:27 PM
1.5 qtrs asleep then woke up and slammed on 8 goals  :o.

Helps when we are winning the ball out of the middle,  running, kicking long more and finally hitting targets.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on April 08, 2023, 05:47:46 PM
Twice Balta hasn’t been willing to get crunched to help out a teammate

Had a real good look at Naughton steaming through on the lead and thought he'd stay out of it...

Amazing quarter there though, beautiful to watch. Sonsie and Cumberland never to be left out again surely
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 08, 2023, 05:48:51 PM
Much better in that quarter. Our youngsters look pretty good.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 08, 2023, 05:50:38 PM
Fantastic to see Kevin Bartlett still kicking goals at his age.
I thought exactly the same thing when he pounced the front of the pack and snapped it through
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 05:55:55 PM
Kicking now 74% :clapping
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:03:53 PM
It's coming down in f*ckets bull at the 'G.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:05:18 PM
Dumb handball by Balta
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:09:49 PM
Kicking with the wind in the wet -- yeah, let's dink it around instead of hoofing it 65 meters. FFS.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:17:32 PM
The fix is in.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Buddysucks on April 08, 2023, 06:20:23 PM
Geez we get called to play on quickly or for just looking sideways a hell of a lot.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:21:00 PM
Not sure who is cheating more at the moment -- the Bulldogs or the umpires. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:22:58 PM
Kicking back under 50%
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:28:33 PM
That was dumb play
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:31:41 PM
The Bullthrowers are dropping like nine pins.

That was a dumb quarter by Richmond.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:32:35 PM
Need to lift for this last quarter :pray
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2023, 06:33:48 PM
Dumb quarter. Overpossessing by hand and kicking short in the back half. Trying to play dry weather footy in slippery conditions instead of K.I.S.S.  Tiges  :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:42:37 PM
Time to get some clean kicks into the club.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:43:27 PM
Dammit :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:44:13 PM
The fix is most definitely in.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:44:43 PM
Oh come on!!!!! :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Buddysucks on April 08, 2023, 06:46:22 PM
We are our own worst enemy. Grimes defensively has made some howlers today.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:47:12 PM
Not going to win at this rate
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:48:30 PM
We might just be the stupidest side in the AFL right now. It wouldn't be so bad if we genuinely sucked, but we are capable of playing great football and continually shoot ourselves in the foot.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:49:36 PM
We might just be the stupidest side in the AFL right now. It wouldn't be so bad if we genuinely sucked, but we are capable of playing great football and continually shoot ourselves in the foot.
yep
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 06:49:48 PM
Umpires, collect your brown paper bags at the gate after the game. Well done.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 08, 2023, 06:52:03 PM
Is Nank injured?
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 06:53:06 PM
One good quarter is not going to win games
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Buddysucks on April 08, 2023, 06:57:09 PM
We aren’t playing Richmond footy, hospital handball after hospital handball. Way too cute in greasy conditions.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Buddysucks on April 08, 2023, 06:59:20 PM
FFS kick the friggin thing long!
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 07:08:49 PM
Nothing's changed since 2022. Season over imo. Play the kids.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 08, 2023, 07:09:52 PM
so what was the point of 2 gws players? To finish 11th?

we are a stuffin rabble
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: pmac21 on April 08, 2023, 07:11:04 PM
Yeah I agree we aren't making finals.  Hardwick needs to have a really close look at the game plan.  We should have tried to blow them away in the 3rd but we tried to manage the margin again. Really disappointed with that performance
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 08, 2023, 07:11:41 PM
So 8 goals in 1 quarter and a total of 4 coming in the other 3……nice.

Same issues as 2021 & 2022, consistency across 4 quarters is horrendous.

On the board for a loss by under a goal for the season. Wonder if we can break last seasons record, what was it, 5/6 games?
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 07:11:52 PM
so what was the point of 2 gws players? To finish 11th?

we are a stuffin rabble
Yeah, we suck unfortunately. Brainless football. The mindset is trashed.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Buddysucks on April 08, 2023, 07:12:13 PM
What an embarrassment. Coaching staff and on field leaders need to be under serious scrutiny.
Captains are not leading from the front. Nankervis is brutal!
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: pmac21 on April 08, 2023, 07:13:00 PM
Our stars are still under the illusion we're a top 4 side. 
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 07:13:43 PM
What an embarrassment. Coaching staff and on field leaders need to be under serious scrutiny.
Captains are not leading from the front. Nankervis is brutal!
I think Grimes should retire at year's end along with Cotch and Riewoldt. Nank can't be number 1 ruck much longer. He's broken. Can't ask much more of him. We ground him into the dust and shortened his career.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: julzqld on April 08, 2023, 07:14:00 PM
Yeah I’m wondering about Taranto and Hopper now. Also questioning the choice of captains
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 08, 2023, 07:14:41 PM
What an embarrassment. Coaching staff and on field leaders need to be under serious scrutiny.
Captains are not leading from the front. Nankervis is brutal!

just dont critisize teague, or a few posters on here will rip you apart. He has done a tremendous job since we got him. :help

Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 07:16:28 PM
What an embarrassment. Coaching staff and on field leaders need to be under serious scrutiny.
Captains are not leading from the front. Nankervis is brutal!

just dont critisize teague, or a few posters on here will rip you apart. He has done a tremendous job since we got him. :help
Maybe, maybe not -- what I can't explain is the basic skill errors across all lines. And the decision-making. Atrocious.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on April 08, 2023, 07:21:02 PM
What an embarrassment. Coaching staff and on field leaders need to be under serious scrutiny.
Captains are not leading from the front. Nankervis is brutal!
I think Grimes should retire at year's end along with Cotch and Riewoldt. Nank can't be number 1 ruck much longer. He's broken. Can't ask much more of him. We ground him into the dust and shortened his career.
The game was lost in the midfield not Grimes. Bont, Liba and Treloar smashed us. We bought in two players to fix this but not sure about it now, thier disposal is terrible.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 08, 2023, 07:26:32 PM
whoever is coming up with this game plan needs to be sacked. Its an absolute joke and its been evident since round 1 We have played crap in every game and right now i cant see a path into finals with this list.

Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2023, 07:28:11 PM
Just dumb footy in slippery conditions after half time  :banghead.  Rather than going for territory we continually tried to handball our way through them as though it was a dry day and just turned it over. Worst of all committing the cardinal sin of kicking across the half-back line witha heavy ball. He wasn't the only one but seriously Grimesy as captain what were you thinking?!

4 points thrown away being too cute on field and with team selection.

One ticked off Tiger supporter  :banghead
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: sdc01 on April 08, 2023, 07:38:10 PM
sonsie clarke cumberland positives from today
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: georgies31 on April 08, 2023, 07:40:55 PM
To many excuses here umpires this and the outs we had blind freddy can see we're struggling skills poor , disposal , pressure and the poor decisions.Match committee all over the place resting players in rd 4 lol if there not good enough to play on from rd 4 they should have retired simple and get fresh blood on the list smelled of arrogance to me.Dimma is carrying to many players past it
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: pmac21 on April 08, 2023, 07:42:25 PM
sonsie clarke cumberland positives from today

Tylar Young was a positive also.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: sdc01 on April 08, 2023, 07:55:10 PM
sonsie clarke cumberland positives from today

Tylar Young was a positive also.
absolutely
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 08:19:25 PM
I do enjoy the 17-day wait for the 4-minute post-match interviews. Must be uploading them on the NBN.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: FooffooValve on April 08, 2023, 08:23:21 PM
sonsie clarke cumberland positives from today

Cumberland??! Goodness me I must have attended a different game.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Willy on April 08, 2023, 08:45:20 PM
Trying to look for individual scapegoats is silly

It’s a whole team issue right now
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: FooffooValve on April 08, 2023, 08:51:12 PM


Tylar Young was a positive also.

Agree, thought he did a great job.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 08, 2023, 09:40:43 PM
Not a great look again this week during the press conference. Blaming all and sundry. Apparently we just lost the contested ball and that's the be-all-end-all. Nothing about foot skills, decision-making, and footy smarts.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 08, 2023, 09:42:38 PM
sonsie clarke cumberland positives from today

Cumberland??! Goodness me I must have attended a different game.
Was not good.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 08, 2023, 09:46:31 PM
I've calmed down a fair bit since I got home

Bitterly disappointed with today's result. For 20 minutes we played our best footy of the season so far.

But you cannot kick 2 goals in the 2nd half and expect to win. Our 3rd qtr was awful. Think MT said it Kicking across the HB line what was our co-captain thinking?

My biggest gripe is the lack of leadership in crunch moments. Where was it exactly? We smashed them in hitouts but yet again our centre circle set up meant those taps were being gobbled up by the opposition. It happens week after week. Nank is in there it is up to him to fix it.

Irony wasn't lost on me that when Ryan went in there we got on top in clearances

Biggest positive for me was Tylar Young. Thought he was really good today. Just one little thing he should not under any circumstances take the kick INS

Graham was massive loss, it meant Sonsie had to take on that role and it didn't work because he doesn't have the body strength yet



Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: FooffooValve on April 08, 2023, 09:56:49 PM
The biggest stand out for me was our terrible ball-handling. Can anyone other than Dusty and Bolton pick up the ball without fumbling it? Forget about game plans and other rubbish, if we could be as clean as them below our knees, we'd have won that game by 4 goals.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Gigantor on April 09, 2023, 12:08:53 AM
I thought doggies deserved to win , they were smarter with ball use, cleaner with hands and feet etc.
Very disappointed to see our trade mark of run and carry and manic pressure is fast  being eroded . Resting jack on a day when footy smarts was paramount seems very odd to me.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: the claw on April 09, 2023, 12:14:02 AM
To many excuses here umpires this and the outs we had blind freddy can see we're struggling skills poor , disposal , pressure and the poor decisions.Match committee all over the place resting players in rd 4 lol if there not good enough to play on from rd 4 they should have retired simple and get fresh blood on the list smelled of arrogance to me.Dimma is carrying to many players past it
Absolutely spot on.
Easy to blame the umps when other more concerning and damaging things are at play.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: georgies31 on April 09, 2023, 01:25:19 AM
We had 7 players under 25 that's great bit of a shift of opinions now I'm seeing , let's not forget we went all out recruiting Taranto and Hopper and gave up the farm for them to win a flag which we thought we could and maybe we still can that was the objective correct.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 09, 2023, 01:27:58 AM
we wont be winning a flag anytime soon Georgie, i can assure you of that.

We have so many holes and each week since that Sydney loss they are increasing.

dusty, nank, grimes, almost all of our players are a shadow of their former self.

Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 09, 2023, 06:09:14 AM
Team stats:

Disposals:    392 - 364 .... ( contested: 145 - 140 ; uncontested: 232 - 210 )
Efficiency%:   70 - 73
Kicks:          218 - 239
Handballs:   174 - 125
Turnovers:     76 - 78
Marks:           72 - 93 .... ( contested: 8 - 6 )
Tackles:         80 - 66
Clearances:    26 - 41 .... ( centre: 8 - 16 ; stoppages: 18 - 25 )
Inside 50s:     48 - 64
In50 eff.%:     52 - 42
In50 marks:      8 - 9
In50 tackles:   16 - 9
Hitouts:          45 - 30
Bounces:          1 - 4
One %ers:      64 - 73
Frees:            17 - 20

Individual possies:

D.Rioli    29
Taranto   27
Baker     25
Hopper   24
Martin    23
Vlastuin  21
Cumberland 21
Prestia    20
Pickett    20
Clarke    20
Ralphsmith 19
Bolton    16
Balta      16
Sonsie    15
Nankervis 15
McIntosh  15
Mansell    12
Cotchin    11  .... (subbed on in the 2nd qtr)
Young      11
Graham   10 .... (subbed off in the 2nd qtr - hamstring)
Grimes     9
Ryan        7
Lynch       6

https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4815#player-stats
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: eliminator on April 09, 2023, 04:16:03 PM
Played dumb football.  Didn't play wet weather football. Kick by Grimes in the fourth quarter was putrid and cost us a goal and then Nick gave away two stupid free kicks. Game set match. Bitterly disappointed
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: the claw on April 09, 2023, 05:02:13 PM
The biggest reason we lost and not for the first time. SKILLS AND DISPOSAL.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 09, 2023, 05:03:30 PM
Nathan Brown analyses how the Bulldogs dominated the clearances against the Tigers, as questions are raised over Richmond's midfield.

Click on pic or link to watch:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtO5P3iakAIoIfM.jpg:large) (https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1644862321217650688)
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1644862321217650688
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: pmac21 on April 09, 2023, 10:20:42 PM
Dimma did not do himself or the club any favors with this petulant attitude after the game.   
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2023, 11:38:13 PM
Dimma did not do himself or the club any favors with this petulant attitude after the game.
Coaches will stand up for their players.

We copped this rubbish about Lynch before after the 2020 SF against St Kilda.

https://twitter.com/brayden_cocks/status/1314493930067566593

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-cant-ignore-dangerous-and-dirty-tigers-any-longer/news-story/d34150540a0cd07b591c711ef5b6dc6a

Don't blame Dimma for having a gutful of it from the media.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2023, 11:46:56 PM
One of the reasons our first quarter was so pathetic was us expecting someone else to a job.

https://twitter.com/laceoutofficial/status/1644592851647602688

I was right behind this. Tim English was free in the pocket for about 30 secs. Our players were pointing at each other to pick up English, but we totally disorganised and couldn't find a free player. Balta then went to go to English before the kick came in, but only got to halfway there before turning back to mind one of the Dogs' tall forwards. This left the shorter Pickett at the last second as the nearest Tiger to try to man up on English and by that stage it was too late and English marked the incoming pass with ease  :P. 
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Andyy on April 10, 2023, 01:05:54 AM
Where tf was nank?
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Andyy on April 10, 2023, 01:07:50 AM
Dimma did not do himself or the club any favors with this petulant attitude after the game.
Coaches will stand up for their players.

We copped this rubbish about Lynch before after the 2020 SF against St Kilda.

https://twitter.com/brayden_cocks/status/1314493930067566593

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-cant-ignore-dangerous-and-dirty-tigers-any-longer/news-story/d34150540a0cd07b591c711ef5b6dc6a

Don't blame Dimma for having a gutful of it from the media.
Dimma did not do himself or the club any favors with this petulant attitude after the game.
Coaches will stand up for their players.

We copped this rubbish about Lynch before after the 2020 SF against St Kilda.

https://twitter.com/brayden_cocks/status/1314493930067566593

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-cant-ignore-dangerous-and-dirty-tigers-any-longer/news-story/d34150540a0cd07b591c711ef5b6dc6a

Don't blame Dimma for having a gutful of it from the media.

Honestly it's nauseating.

Especially when you look at the comments about that StK marking incident like fmd can't you see he was pushed in the back? He was going for the effing ball
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: georgies31 on April 10, 2023, 01:40:39 AM
We were pedestrian and passengers at times not chasing or manning up pressure etc along with our skills and disposal that is amature like at times.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 10, 2023, 10:00:20 AM
Dimma did not do himself or the club any favors with this petulant attitude after the game.

Good God people whack the Club for not standing up for our players and club when we get shafted

Dimma takes a journo to task for the witch-hunting of Lynch by said media and he gets whacked

I applaud him for his comments in his presser.

The main reason Lynch is off to the tribunal is because of media hysteria. Kudos for Dimma standing up for his players
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: the claw on April 10, 2023, 01:26:45 PM
Where tf was nank?

Probably rooted from all the other work he does.

Not sure people have it right blaming Nankervis for our midfield woes.

Stats stats and damned lies but imo he has been huge in a lot of areas including h/o.
Up to the end of the third round.

He is 3rd for hit outs which shows he really is competing but how effective his hit outs are i will leave for others to decide.
Have stated a few times  for me at 199cm he is always going to find it hard to be precise and dominate h/o. More a role of just competing and try to negate the oppo ruck. He is never going to be a dominant tap ruckman especially at centre bounces.

What he is not doing is taking marks around the ground and he is not taking contested marks but in this when it comes to ruckmen he is not the lone ranger way too many have 0 to just 2 contested marks for the first three rounds.

Nankervis for marks is actually equal 9th with just 7 in three rounds!!! that stat just shows how few marks are being taken by a lot of ruckmen not just Nankervis.

He is equal last, ranked equal 18th with zero contested marks which is a big worry but again the numbers are a concern overall with so many ruckmen with 0 to 2 cm in the first 3 rounds so he is not the lone ranger.

Thats the bad. The good well as stated till the end of the third round . People need to weigh up are they prepared to forgo this by dropping Nank.

H/O - 3rd. Okay for me he is there to compete and get ball to ground not actually win a lot of ruck contests.
Tackles - 1st
Dis - 3rd
Cl - 2nd
C/P - 2nd
1% - 1st

Reckon they show just how good he has been after competing the ruck contest.

Clearly observation says we want him be more effective with hit outs but thats asking a lot when he is giving away so much height most of the time.

What has to happen is he starts taking more marks and becomes a down the line outlet as well. In the past he has had this in his game we need him to get back to it.

Personally watching him i have thought him very good in so many areas but like others get frustrated with the things mentioned.
I think our mids and set up is wrong rather than blaming nankervis for all of it.

A disclaimer here i have rushed thru this and may have missed the odd stat but generally it has to be close.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: Broadsword on April 10, 2023, 03:47:26 PM
Dimma did not do himself or the club any favors with this petulant attitude after the game.

Good God people whack the Club for not standing up for our players and club when we get shafted

Dimma takes a journo to task for the witch-hunting of Lynch by said media and he gets whacked

I applaud him for his comments in his presser.

The main reason Lynch is off to the tribunal is because of media hysteria. Kudos for Dimma standing up for his players
I can see that. But I'm also starting to wonder what happened to 'Humble and Hungry' Dimma. 2023 seems to be 'Surly and Satisfied'.
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 10, 2023, 06:18:58 PM
Coaches votes (Hardwick & Beveridge)

Richmond v Western Bulldogs

9 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Tim English (WB)
4 Tom Liberatore (WB)
3 Caleb Daniel (WB)
2 Liam Baker (RICH)
2 Bailey Dale (WB)
2 Daniel Rioli (RICH)

https://www.afl.com.au/news/901227/coaches-votes-r4-package-delivers-perfect-10-young-gun-in-front
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 10, 2023, 10:25:03 PM
Bad kicking is bad footy.

Stats from The Couch tonight:

Quarter(s)                  2nd        1st, 3rd-4th

Disposal Efficiency       74%           52%

Score differential       +37 pts        -42 pts
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 06:00:44 PM
Report Card: Round 4

Ben Cotton, Ben Waterworth, Catherine Healey and Jono Baruch
Fox Sports
April 11th, 2023


RICHMOND

Outside of a 15-minute burst in the second quarter where they piled on seven goals in quick succession, the Tigers will be rueing poor kicking and poor execution as they went down by five points to the Western Bulldogs at a soggy MCG. Holding the lead heading into the final quarter, the Tigers were overwhelmed by the Bulldogs in the final quarter.

In the votes

Daniel Rioli (29 disposals), Tim Taranto (27) and Liam Baker (25) were all busy for the Tigers, while Dustin Martin was close to his brilliant best with 23 disposals (15 contested) along with one goal and an equal game-high 10 score involvements.

Room for improvement

The Tigers won more disposals (392-363) yet failed to convert their chances moving forward by foot. Albeit on a day where yardage and territory was the order of the day in inclement conditions, the Tigers would be after an improved showing from their two gun midfield recruits Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper efficiency wise, (Taranto 63%, Hopper 67%). Injuries to spearhead Tom Lynch and Toby Nankervis, two of their least-replaceable players, mean this loss may be felt for weeks and months, not just days.

Grade

C+

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-round-4-report-card-highlights-grades-analysis-every-club-reviewed-best-and-worst-video-stats/news-story/d4cc56da1127f378e8fd3beb48262eec
Title: Re: Richmond vs W.Bulldogs @ the MCG --- Round 4, 2023
Post by: one-eyed on April 11, 2023, 06:09:49 PM
OVERREACTIONS, POSITIVES, NEGATIVES & UNDROPPABLES FOR ALL 18 AFL TEAMS IN ROUND 4

BY SEN
11 April 2023


(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/XJY56qJcUzAA8ZfxfZGXm/dee60ab55a43a51073c88025240384b2/AFL_Club_banners_-_2022-10-12T153956.739.png)

The Key Takeaway: Struggling to close out games

Another Richmond loss by a single figure margin.

That’s 11 games decided by six points or less that the Tigers have failed to win since 2021.

Their three draws (including one this season) and eight defeats is the equal longest winless run in games decided by six points or less in V/AFL history.

The Tigers just need to find ways to win the close ones.

The Overreaction: Season is over

The calls have already been made - Richmond’s season is over.

You could be right in making the case for that statement given they’ve won one of four and now have a growing list of injured key players.

However, the Tigers have been in this position before and rallied. Even with vital players out they’ve picked up points along the way before resetting for the business end.

So it might be a bit early to say they’re in trouble or their season is over.

There are some issues, but Damien Hardwick and co. have been through this before.

The Positive: 2nd quarter

Richmond’s second quarter was simply irresistible. It was some of the best footy we have seen so far in 2023.

The Tigers kicked eight goals from 20 inside 50s to roar back into the contest after a tardy beginning.

But you rarely win games of footy when you kick 60% of your score in one quarter.

The Negative: Lynch and Nankervis injuries

The Tigers will be without key pillars Tom Lynch and Toby Nankervis for some time.

Lynch’s fractured foot and Nankervis’ syndesmosis will deprive the team of two of its most important players

Can veteran Jack Riewoldt step up to fill the Lynch void? And what does Hardwick do in the ruck given Ivan Soldo is also injured?

The report against Lynch should also be mentioned. Lynch’s high contact with Alex Keath highlights where the game is at right now that this action is even being considered for suspension, let alone sent to the Tribunal.

It’s unfortunate, but it’s the way the AFL wants to handle any head high contact, accidental or not, that results in concussion.

What they need to tweak for next week: Kick to handball ratio

The Tigers overused the ball in three of the four quarters on Saturday night.

On a wet and greasy evening, they ended just +44 with their kick to handball ratio. In comparison, the Dogs (who had 16 more inside 50s for the game) were +114.

When the Tigers were up and running in the goal-laden second term, they kicked it 66 times, 11 more than any other quarter. In that quarter, their kick to handball differential was +21 which led to their 20 inside 50s, which resulted in their eight goals.

In the remaining three quarters, the kick to handball ratio differential tallied +23, proving they were handball happy on a wet night which certainly had a detrimental effect.

Get back to kicking against the Swans this Friday night and it should give them a better chance at scoring.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/11/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-round4/