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I know this is 12 months away, but we will likely have two early picks so it's relevant to us.
Stars of the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2025
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
23 Nov 2024
ATTENTION has already shifted onto the draft pool for 2025.
The completion of this week's Telstra AFL Draft means clubs will quickly move ahead with planning for next year's crop.
The early look for next year is a draft class with many players tied to clubs as Northern Academy, Next Generation Academy or as father-sons, and here is our annual list of 10 names to track for next year.
Cooper Duff-Tytler
Ruck/key forward
199cm
22/8/07
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
What an exciting talent Duff-Tytler is shaping to be. Having concentrated on his promising basketball career, Duff-Tytler is now putting all his energy into making it in the AFL and the end of his bottom-age season suggests he is well on the way. His breakout game came in just his third appearance for the Cannons, when he kicked two goals from 30 disposals and 17 hit-outs in a best-afield display as a roaming ruckman. Across six games at the level he averaged 17 disposals and 15 hitouts and he shapes as one of the leading talls for 2025.
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Willem Duursma
Utility
191cm
21/6/07
Gippsland Power/Vic Country
With his three older siblings already playing at the top level, Duursma is set to make his own mark having been ready for his draft-age year for some time. Having played for Gippsland's under-18 team as an under-16s player, Duursma spent his 2024 moving around the ground in different spots – the wing, forward and back. He can also play as a midfielder around the ball. He is a very good overhead mark and has the versatility to play just about anywhere on the ground. Duursma will produce some eye-catching highlights in 2025 and is an early contender for the No.1 pick.
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Louis Emmett
Ruckman
198cm
23/3/07
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Emmett's end to 2024 certainly caught the attention of clubs. He had some big games playing for Oakleigh, including a four-goal effort in one game, 28 disposals and two goals the next week and then 22 disposals and a goal the week after that. The mobile big man finished the year averaging 17 disposals, 13 hitouts and more than a goal a game at Coates Talent League level and his capacity to get around the ground and use his skills really stood out.
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Matt LeRay
Midfielder
189cm
22/2/07
Central District/South Australia
It was a consistent season for LeRay with Central District's under-18 side, where he averaged 22 disposals and five inside-50s, as well as booting 13 goals from 11 games. A taller midfield option, LeRay also showed he can find the footy with a solid performance on Grand Final day in the under-17s clash. A week earlier he had led the Bulldogs' disposal tally with 22 touches and 1.1 in its four-point Grand Final loss to Woodville-West Torrens.
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Archie Ludowyke
Key forward
195cm
19/11/07
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
Ludowyke missed the Sandringham Dragons' Grand Final win over Greater Western Victoria due to injury but had an otherwise promising bottom-age campaign as a developing tall forward. The left-footer came back the next week to kick the match-winning goal for his side in the national futures game ahead of the AFL Grand Final. He competes in the air, flies for high marks and has plenty of the attributes you want in a key forward prospect. He kicked 13 goals from nine games with Sandringham's under-18 side.
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Riley Onley
Midfielder
194cm
30/3/07
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
There is a point of difference with Onley, given his stature as a 194cm midfield prospect. Onley played seven games this season for the Bushrangers and averaged 17 disposals and next year he'll have more responsibilities thrown his way. His taste of things this season also extended to Onley playing three games for Vic Country at the national carnival, including having 20 disposals and seven clearances against the Allies.
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Dyson Sharp
Midfielder
188cm
23/5/07
Central District/South Australia
Sharp plays with a hard edge that you don't often see for a prospect his age. It is why late in the year he wasn't daunted by stepping up to play at SANFL league level with Central District, where he performed well in their three finals. The bigger-bodied midfielder averaged 27 disposals, eight tackles and seven clearances at under-18 level for Centrals this season and will be pushing to continue his trajectory and be an early pick next year.
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Academy
Daniel Annable
Midfielder
183cm
5/4/07
Brisbane Academy/QLD
One of the gun midfielders in the crop for next year, Annable already has already proven his qualities. He dominated as a ball-getter for the Lions' Academy in the Coates Talent League this year, averaging 28 disposals and six tackles whilst also averaging 20 disposals playing for the Allies at the national carnival. He uses the ball well, has great game craft and is able to ferry the ball out of contested situations with his hands. Brisbane has another talented Academy product on the horizon.
Max King
Midfielder
191cm
9/1/07
Sydney Academy/NSW-ACT
Another Max King looks headed for the AFL and this version is a bit different to the St Kilda key forward. King, who is tied to Sydney's Academy, has plenty of upside. He can move through the midfield, which given his height is a weapon, but he can also be a marking target in attack and he likes to fly for his grabs. Injury meant he didn't feature in the AFL under-17s futures game on Grand Final day but King is a watch to be a player recruiters have their eyes on next season.
Zeke Uwland
Midfielder
178cm
24/4/07
Gold Coast Academy/Queensland
It was a super season for 'Zeke The Freak' this year, with the younger brother of Suns defender Bodhi showing all of his traits as a running, skillful and penetrating midfielder. Uwland plays in the Errol Gulden mould – a smaller sized ball magnet who uses his left-foot kicking to pierce gaps and set up the play. The Suns Academy talent won the Hunter Harrison Medal as the best player of the Academy series and also won selection in the under-18 All-Australian team.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1256448
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They were talking up the latest Duursma as potential no.1 on the radio.
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They were talking up the latest Duursma as potential no.1 on the radio.
Would be surprised if sharp isn't one. Although the 'rookieme website, has Duursma at one.
Maybe we get them both. Some sources claiming Rodriguez
Is decent too.
Do we offer wce one, two and future first for Harley Reid? If he doesn't get too fat :shh
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I wouldn’t be offering 3 x top5-10 picks for Harley Reid regardless of how much of a gun he is.
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I wouldn’t be offering 3 x top5-10 picks for Harley Reid regardless of how much of a gun he is.
I would consider it.
Lalor. Smillie. Hotton. Reid. McAuliffe looks fairly mouth watering. The norf pick is a bit of a bonus too... The spine is already sorted.
If the 26' draft is the tasmanian expansion. That pick might not be too valuable?
All that said there is speculation sharp is as good as Reid. Playing well in the sanfl at 16... However it pans out the list should be quite promising by this stage next year.
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ESPN rankings excluding academy:
1. Dyson Sharp (Central District/South Australia)
MID, 188cm
3. Willem Duursma (Gippsland Power/Vic Country)
DEF/MID, 191cm
5. Cooper Duff-Tytler (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)
RUCK/FWD, 199cm
6. Fred Rodriguez (South Fremantle/Western Australia)
MID, 184cm
8. Louis Emmett (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)
RUCK/FWD, 198cm
9. Riley Onley (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)
MID, 194cm
10. Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)
FWD, 185cm
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Duursma. Sharp. Lalor. Smillie. Hotton. McAuliffe. :shh
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how much creedence should one give the 'go home factor'?
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how much creedence should one give the 'go home factor'?
If we get his best 6 season, a flag and good compensation like Judd/wce would be a solid result.
A JHF to port scenario would be less fun
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Don't want another spoon but geez it'd be funny if we took #1-2 haha
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Don't want another spoon but geez it'd be funny if we took #1-2 haha
As long as we dont do a Melbourne and totally stuff it up
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Don't want another spoon but geez it'd be funny if we took #1-2 haha
As long as we dont do a Melbourne and totally stuff it up
Kangas win the spoon and we finish 17th. Pick 1 & 2 in the bag haha
Although that will likely see LDU leave in free agency which north would surely get pick 2 as compo for. Still pick 1 & 3 would be great!
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Don't want another spoon but geez it'd be funny if we took #1-2 haha
As long as we dont do a Melbourne and totally stuff it up
Kangas win the spoon and we finish 17th. Pick 1 & 2 in the bag haha
Although that will likely see LDU leave in free agency which north would surely get pick 2 as compo for. Still pick 1 & 3 would be great!
Our list should be junior enough to offer LDU a contract lmao.
Pick 1 + LDU for Pick 27, 28 (or whatever) and pick 2. Disastrous.
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Hmm if LDU leaves North can't get a compo after their first round pick as they don't have one. Be fascinating how that would pan out.
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Hmm if LDU leaves North can't get a compo after their first round pick as they don't have one. Be fascinating how that would pan out.
The compo is tied to their ladder position. Regardless of whether they have traded their pick or not the position of the compo will be based on the pick they had prior to trading.
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Hmm if LDU leaves North can't get a compo after their first round pick as they don't have one. Be fascinating how that would pan out.
The compo is tied to their ladder position. Regardless of whether they have traded their pick or not the position of the compo will be based on the pick they had prior to trading.
Just another example of the farcical compo system.
Should be binned and to make it a proper and fair FA system give Clubs the right to trade players to whichever club they choose.. players have too much of the control.. the compo system IMHO is there to appease the Club's but it fails because no one but the AFL knows how the calculate the compo
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Hmm if LDU leaves North can't get a compo after their first round pick as they don't have one. Be fascinating how that would pan out.
The compo is tied to their ladder position. Regardless of whether they have traded their pick or not the position of the compo will be based on the pick they had prior to trading.
Just another example of the farcical compo system.
Should be binned and to make it a proper and fair FA system give Clubs the right to trade players to whichever club they choose.. players have too much of the control.. the compo system IMHO is there to appease the Club's but it fails because no one but the AFL knows how the calculate the compo
My understanding is that there's a formula as a guide but the AFL literally has a discretionary criteria, so they basically use their formula and then decide if the compo is appropriate or change it, probably for equalisation.
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Sturt
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Louis Kellaway
height: 182cm
weight:
D.O.B: 16-03-2007
Named in the 2025 SANFL U18 State Academy
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Hmm if LDU leaves North can't get a compo after their first round pick as they don't have one. Be fascinating how that would pan out.
The compo is tied to their ladder position. Regardless of whether they have traded their pick or not the position of the compo will be based on the pick they had prior to trading.
Just another example of the farcical compo system.
Should be binned and to make it a proper and fair FA system give Clubs the right to trade players to whichever club they choose.. players have too much of the control.. the compo system IMHO is there to appease the Club's but it fails because no one but the AFL knows how the calculate the compo
My understanding is that there's a formula as a guide but the AFL literally has a discretionary criteria, so they basically use their formula and then decide if the compo is appropriate or change it, probably for equalisation.
Are there any prominent sports leagues other than the American ones whereby players can be traded to other teams/cities/states without prior agreement?
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Hmm if LDU leaves North can't get a compo after their first round pick as they don't have one. Be fascinating how that would pan out.
The compo is tied to their ladder position. Regardless of whether they have traded their pick or not the position of the compo will be based on the pick they had prior to trading.
Just another example of the farcical compo system.
Should be binned and to make it a proper and fair FA system give Clubs the right to trade players to whichever club they choose.. players have too much of the control.. the compo system IMHO is there to appease the Club's but it fails because no one but the AFL knows how the calculate the compo
My understanding is that there's a formula as a guide but the AFL literally has a discretionary criteria, so they basically use their formula and then decide if the compo is appropriate or change it, probably for equalisation.
Are there any prominent sports leagues other than the American ones whereby players can be traded to other teams/cities/states without prior agreement?
Soccer players get moved all the tine during their trade window's don't they
The AFLPA wanted the AFL FA model based on US sports just without the ability for clubs to trade players for the best available deal or without a players request
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Soccer players can most definitely not be sold to a club if they do not permit to it. If you think footy players have too much power then you will be gobsmacked with how players hold clubs to ransom in soccer.
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Yeah soccer is insane player power. Players refuse to play unless they are traded.
I actually have non-issue with current system but I'd get rid of compo. Clubs have had an entire generation of FA to know the importance of signing up players before they come out of contract.
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I can't think of many big name association football player refusing to play.
They fake injury sometimes if they don't get a move they want.
They don't want to play for the national team sometimes like Ben white but a bit different
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Are you talking about European soccer, because if so it happens allllll the time.
To be fair clubs are known to freeze players out as well to force them to seek a transfer elsewhere.
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Are you talking about European soccer, because if so it happens allllll the time.
To be fair clubs are known to freeze players out as well to force them to seek a transfer elsewhere.
Which player? Perhaps I'm just having a brain freeze.
I recall Winston Bogarde doing the opposite
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There have been so so many where a player didn’t train or go on preseason tour to try and force their way out. I don’t even know where to start. Few examples off the top of my head:
- Harry Kane when trying to join man city.
- Berbatov when moving from spurs to United.
- Coutinho when moving from Liverpool to Barca.
And there are countless countless more.
Like I said it works the other way too. Just this past off-season, Chelsea froze out what seemed to be half their squad to try and push them to leave lol
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Not training or arriving late is a bit different from refusing to play the games.
Tbf to the clubs they don't have to give the players guarantee of games after buying them.
Berbatov is going back a bit too
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I don't mind the AFL making it up to help crap clubs. I remember the dark old days of st Kilda forever wooden spooners and winning one game all year in the mud when plugger would kick 7. It was poo to watch and predictable as hell and must have shat st Kilda supporters off like nothing else. I much rather a biased draft to even it up.
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Richmond's Exciting Plans For The 2025 AFL Draft!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwKhB1mKjkk
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The top 2025 draft prospects training at your club this summer
Brisbane: Daniel Annable
Collingwood: Riley Onley
Fremantle: Cody Curtin, Fred Rodriguez
Geelong: Josh Lindsay, Ben Rongdit
Gold Coast: Beau Addinsall, Zeke Uwland, Dylan Patterson
Hawthorn: Oliver Greeves
Melbourne: Kalani White
North Melbourne: Jasper Hay
Richmond: Louis Emmett (ruckman)
West Coast: Koby Evans, Wesley Walley
Western Bulldogs: Thomas Burton
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1262417/afl-academy-the-top-2025-draft-prospects-training-at-your-club-this-summer
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25 AFL Draft prospects to keep under close watch in 2025
Dylan Bolch
Fox Sports
December 31st, 2024
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DYSON SHARP
Position: Midfielder
Size: 188cm
Clubs: Central District/South Australia
Sharp is a tough midfielder from South Australia who is one of the leading candidates to be the number one pick in 2025. The big-bodied on-baller is a beast at the coalface, clean with ball in hand and is also a good user. Sharp stepped up well to SANFL level late in the year for Central District’s and he has been a dominant junior throughout the years, winning the Kevin Sheehan Medal as the MVP of the Under 16 National Championships.
ZEKE UWLAND
Position: Midfielder
Size: 178cm
Clubs: Gold Coast Academy/Queensland
The brother of Gold Coast’s Bodhi, Zeke is another top prospect in next year’s pool. Uwland is a hard-running and skilful player, who can play through the midfield or off half-back. The Academy prospect is deadly by foot, can break the lines and can provide plenty of run and carry. Uwland averaged 23 touches and six rebound 50s in the National Championships this year and was the only bottom-ager selected in the All-Australian side.
WILLEM DUURSMA
Position: Utility
Size: 191cm
Clubs: Gippsland Power/Vic Country
The Duursma name will be very familiar to footy fans. Willem is the youngest sibling of the Duursma family, with Xavier, Yasmin and Zane all currently featuring at the top level. But Willem could well and truly be the best of the lot. The youngest Duursma is a genuine utility having shown promise in all thirds of the ground. He is a quality ball user, is strong overhead and is clean around the ground. Also a very talented basketballer, Duursma has all the tools to become a genuine star of the competition in due course.
DANIEL ANNABLE
Position: Midfielder
Size: 183cm
Clubs: Brisbane Lions Academy/Queensland
There’s something in the water in Queensland at the moment with the Lions set to cash in on yet another Academy star. Brisbane have landed a trio of father-sons in recent years in Will and Levi Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher, but they’ve also had significant success on the Academy front with Sam Marshall and Ty Gallop. Annable is a well-rounded midfielder who loves to extract the ball from contest and feed it out to his teammates on the outside. A hard worker who is an absolute ball magnet and nice user, Annable averaged 28 disposals and six tackles in the Coates Talent League this year.
BEAU ADDINSALL
Position: Midfielder/Forward
Size: 180cm
Clubs: Gold Coast Academy/Queensland
The Lions are cashing in on Academy stars, the Suns are a level above. Addinsall is a smooth-moving, powerful midfielder who won best on ground honours during the Under 17s Futures match at the MCG on AFL Grand Final Day. The on-baller had a game-high 34 disposals that day in an eye-catching display. Addinsall was an unlucky omission from the Allies side this year, but looms as a potential top 10 pick in 2025. Alongside Uwland and Addinsall, the Suns also have access to midfielder/forward Dylan Patterson and tall Kalani White.
COOPER DUFF-TYTLER
Position: Ruck/Forward
Size: 199cm
Clubs: Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
A promising basketballer growing up, Duff-Tytler has well and truly turned his attention to the Sherrin. Duff-Tytler is an athletic ruck/forward who is almost another midfielder, such is his athleticism and ball-winning ability. His 30-disposal, 10-mark and two-goal performance for the Calder Cannons in the Coates Talent League was just a glimpse into what he could become. Strong in the air and at ground level, Duff-Tytler looms as one of, if not the best tall prospect in 2025.
LOUIS EMMETT
Position: Ruck/Forward
Size: 198cm
Clubs: Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Another leading tall prospect in the 2025 pool, Emmett caught the eye during the Oakleigh Chargers’ 2024 campaign. A mobile big man with good skills, Emmett is a damaging forward as well. The Vic Metro tall has strong hands and loves to take a big grab but his endurance and work rate means he gets to plenty of ruck contests around the ground, too.
RILEY ONLEY
Position: Midfielder
Size: 194cm
Clubs: Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
Big-bodied midfielders are all the rage at the moment and Onley is one of the best in the 2025 crop. Onley is strong at the contest, clean with ball in hand and has plenty of power when bursting out of stoppage. Featured three times for Vic Country as a bottom-ager, the highlight being a 20-disposal, seven clearance effort against the Allies.
ARCHIE LUDOWYKE
Position: Key Forward
Size: 195cm
Clubs: Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
One of very few to feature in a stacked Vic Metro side as a bottom-ager this year, Ludowyke has plenty of upside to excite AFL recruiters. Ludowyke is one of the most entertaining prospects in the 2025 pool, he loves flying for marks and is crafty around the big sticks. Ludowyke booted 13 goals in nine matches as a bottom-ager for the Sandringham Dragons this year and will be a key focal point for Rob Harding’s side in 2025.
OLIVER GREEVES
Position: Midfielder
Size: 191cm
Clubs: Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Another strong midfielder, Greeves is a workhorse around stoppage but has also shown an ability to drift forward and hit the scoreboard. The Caulfield Grammar jet is an Under 16s All-Australian representative and is clean at ground level. A strong performance in the Under 17s Futures match (31 touches, seven marks) will lay the platform for what will hopefully be a fruitful 2025 season.
FRED RODRIGUEZ
Position: Midfielder
Size: 184cm
Clubs: South Fremantle/Western Australia
Rodriguez is a silky midfielder who impressed at National Championships level with Western Australia in 2024, averaging 18.8 disposals. Rodriguez is super quick and is a quality ball user by hand and foot. It’s that skillset, plus his run and carry, that will make him an attractive prospect for AFL clubs.
MAX KING
Position: Midfielder
Size: 191cm
Clubs: Sydney Swans Academy/NSW-ACT
A Sydney Academy prospect who is definitely one to watch next year. King is another one of these big-bodied midfielders who can also impact the game inside the forward 50 arc. Strong overhead and clean at ground level, the Swans could have another beauty on their hands here.
NOAH HIBBINS-HARGREAVES
Position: Forward
Size: 185cm
Clubs: Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
A crafty half-forward with strong aerial presence, Hibbins-Hargreaves had a strong season for the Dandenong Stingrays in 2024. The lively Mornington product booted 23 goals from 16 games and regularly stood up late in games. Hibbins-Hargreaves is slick in transition and often finds a way to create some space and hit the scoreboard. Had a strong first half in the Under 17s Futures match before fading a little bit late.
THOMAS BURTON
Position: Defender/Midfielder
Size: 178cm
Clubs: Western Jets/Vic Metro
A dashing rebounder off half-back, Burton loves to utilise his run and carry to generate offensive plays. The Western Jets youngster averaged 23.7 disposals and 5.6 tackles in the Coates Talent League this season and was a strong performer in the Under 17s Futures match where he amassed 26 touches. Loves to find and use the footy.
JACK DALTON
Position: Midfielder
Size: 176cm
Clubs: Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
A natural ball-winner who is clean with ball in hand, there’s plenty to like about the Sandringham Dragons on-baller. Dalton won the Vic Metro MVP at the Under 16s National Championships and is also a good leader, having captained the side to the title that same year. A classy operator who can play both on the inside and outside, expect Dalton to put his best foot forward for the Dragons and for Metro in 2025.
KALANI WHITE
Position: Key Defender
Size: 198cm
Clubs: Gold Coast Suns Academy/Queensland
The battle for one of the most promising key backs in next year’s pool will well and truly be on in 2025. White is the son of former Melbourne player Jeff White, who played 236 games for the Dees, but is also a member of the Gold Coast Academy. White is strong in the air and can play in all thirds of the ground but likens himself to Suns star Mac Andrew. Whether he nominates the Suns or Dees remain to be seen, but he is a genuine first round contender nonetheless.
THOMAS MCGUANE
Position: Midfielder
Size: 177cm
Clubs: Western Jets/Vic Metro
Here’s one for you, Collingwood fans. Thomas McGuane is the son of 152-game Pie Mick McGuane and is certainly one to keep an eye on next year. The consistent midfielder is an absolute ball magnet, having averaged 25.7 disposals a match for the Western Jets in 2024. The left-footer is clean with the footy and has shown he can thrive at the contest and on the outside.
SAM LEWIS
Position: Midfielder/Forward
Size: 186cm
Clubs: Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
A big-bodied powerful midfielder who started the 2024 season with the Dandenong Stingrays on fire, before a persistent foot injury curtailed the rest of his campaign. The Red Hill product averaged almost 20 disposals in a star-studded on-ball brigade featuring the likes of Harvey Langford and Cooper Hynes. A tough, hard worker who also finds a way to drift forward and hit the scoreboard, keep an eye on this young gun in 2025.
CODY CURTIN
Position: Key Defender
Size: 197cm
Clubs: Claremont/Western Australia
Cody Curtin, the brother of current Adelaide player Dan, is a promising key defender out of Western Australia. Curtin is an excellent mark and possesses a penetrating kick, which has definitely caught the eye of talent scouts during his bottom-age year. Curtin has thrived mainly as a defender throughout his juniors but spent some time in the forward half late in the WAFL Colts season, where he booted two bags of six goals.
JOSH LINDSAY
Position: Defender/Wing
Size: 182cm
Clubs: Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Named best on ground for Team Heppell in the Under 17s Futures match at the MCG on AFL Grand Final day, there’s plenty to like about Josh Lindsay. A strong decision-maker who rarely wastes a disposal, Lindsay amassed 20 touches and seven marks in that match. The Geelong Falcons youngster can play off half-back or on a wing given he loves to use his run and carry to generate plays out of defence.
MATT LERAY
Position: Midfielder
Size: 189cm
Clubs: Central District/South Australia
A member of the 2025 National Academy, LeRay is another highly touted on-baller. The South Australian youngster put together a solid campaign with Central District’s in the SANFL Under 18s, averaging 22 touches and five inside 50s. LeRay is powerful out of stoppage but can also do damage on the outside given his endurance base and ability to cover the ground. Has linked up nicely with pick 1 contender Dyson Sharp in recent times.
LACHLAN CARMICHAEL
Position: Defender
Size: 183cm
Clubs: Sydney Swans Academy/NSW-ACT
The Swans have produced some gems out of their Academy in recent years and defender Lachie Carmichael could be the next one in line. Carmichael is a well-rounded player who can take an intercept mark but is also a quality distributor out of defence. He put together a solid National Championships where he averaged 18.8 disposals and 5.8 rebound 50s for the Allies. Works hard and positions himself well.
NOAH CHAMBERLAIN
Position: Forward/Wing
Size: 192cm
Clubs: Sydney Swans Academy/NSW-ACT
An athletic half-forward, Chamberlain is another prospect tied to Sydney’s Academy program. A mobile and dynamic front-half player, Chamberlain has also shown that he can be used on a wing if needed. Had an inconsistent day in the Under 17s Futures match but proved he can be that vital link-up player between the midfield and forward groups. Also featured for Sydney’s Under 18s side as a 16-year-old.
JASPER HAY
Position: Ruck/Forward
Size: 198cm
Clubs: Tasmania Devils/Tasmania
Tasmania’s leading prospect this season is key position player Jasper Hay. Hay primarily plies his trade in the ruck but could look to develop his forward and defensive craft more in 2025. The Devils didn’t have anyone drafted in this year’s crop but had nine players selected in 2022/23. A National Academy member, it will be interesting to see how Hay progresses next year.
TAIRON AH-MU
Position: Ruck/Forward
Size: 198cm
Clubs: Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
A powerful tall who is ready to take his game to the next level, Ah-Mu was a crucial player for the Dandenong Stingrays in 2024 as a bottom-ager. Ah-Mu booted 22 goals from 11 games playing primarily as a key forward, but he is more than capable of playing in the ruck as well, which he did at times for Haileybury under Essendon champion Matthew Lloyd. The Berwick junior kicked four goals against the Lions but also kicked a bag of three on four different occasions, including one in the Qualifying Final against the Gippsland Power. It won’t be long until he really breaks a game apart.
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South Australian Under 18s MVP Samuel Cumming was incredibly stiff to miss this list, having put together a consistent and prolific bottom-age campaign. Vic Country defender Ben Rongdit is tied to Geelong as a Next Generation Academy prospect, while Wes Walley and Koby Evans are National Academy members linked to West Coast.
Northern Territory prospect Taj Murray is a promising ruck who is still pretty raw, while Murray Bushrangers tall Liam Hetherton and speedy Sturt winger Harley Barker are others who feature in the National Academy.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/academy-guns-and-family-ties-25-afl-draft-prospects-to-keep-an-eye-on-in-2025/news-story/d139d967a824292ca2cce2cdc5de7f62
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how much creedence should one give the 'go home factor'?
I reckon it's on the individual, check if they are an introvert/extrovert outgoing/inward kind of person. I think go home would be larger for inward/introverts, Broadway would appeal to extroverts, we are on Broadway whether we like it or not.
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No 2025 draft prospects training with us.
The 2025 draft prospects training at your club this week
Adelaide: Matt Leray, Dyson Sharp
Essendon: Cooper Duff-Tytler
Hawthorn: Willem Duursma
Greater Western Sydney: Liam Hetherton
Melbourne: Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves
Port Adelaide: Harley Barker, Sam Cumming, Taj Murray
St Kilda: Archie Ludowyke
Sydney: Lachlan Carmichael, Noah Chamberlain
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1264095/the-2025-draft-prospects-training-at-your-club
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We had 2, 2025 draft prospects training with us pre-Christmas in Louie Emmet and Louis Kellaway.
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Picks 1+2+F/S Kellaway sounds good to me haha
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Picks 1+2+F/S Kellaway sounds good to me haha
Aslong as that pick 1 comes courtesy of north lol
Don’t want another spoon.
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Race to #1: Dyson Sharp Player Highlights | 2025 AFL Draft
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgB8tQ0hSLk
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Looks almost identical to Reid lol
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Fred Rodriguez, invest all your stocks into him now.
This kid will come into first pick conversations i’ve got no doubt at all.
Can be that fast line breaking midfielder we’ve been dying for and could be the last piece to our midfield.
Invest now!
#GoTiges
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1899648014253486343
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WA PROSPECT READY FOR LEAGUE TEST
WA midfielder Fred Rodriguez is in the frame to start the WAFL season at League level with South Fremantle after a terrific pre-season that has showcased his improvement as a skilful and big-bodied onballer.
Rodriguez is arguably the leading midfield prospect in a talented pool of WA players who will be watched closely this season by a West Coast team needing to add onball class and depth.
A dual-sided midfielder who grew in prominence through his underage year in 2024, Rodriguez was a standout in the Bulldogs’ pre-season WAFL game last weekend, winning plenty of the ball and using it with poise and skill.
With the Bulldogs set to play their final practice game against East Perth on Sunday, WA talent manager Adam Jones said the young gun was in the frame to make his League debut in two weeks.
"He’s a really hard-working midfielder who works offensively and defensively, he has really good skills on both sides of his body, and he’s had a great pre-season and set himself up for a strong year," Jones told AFL.com.au.
"He has the potential to play League football early and based on what he did on the weekend, he'd be in the frame (for a round-one debut). He hasn't looked out of place, so it's a good sign."
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Fred Rodriguez in action during the Marsh AFL National Academy Boys training session at The Hanger on December 4, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1282022/inside-trading-dee-tipped-to-stay-blue-closes-on-trigger-hawks-major-boot-deal
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I really hope allan doesnt leave the eagles or we may end up with our first pick at 3 onwards.
we really need eagles to start winning, and north to keep losing.
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Doesn’t look like Norths pick will be top4. :shh
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INDICATIVE FIRST ROUND
1. West Coast
2. Essendon (tied to Melbourne)
3. Hawthorn (tied to Carlton)
4. Richmond
5. Essendon
6. Fremantle
7. Gold Coast (tied to Port Adelaide)
8. Sydney
9. Richmond (tied to North Melbourne)
10. Geelong
11. Western Bulldogs
12. St Kilda
13. Gold Coast (tied to Collingwood)
14. Greater Western Sydney
15. Gold Coast
16. Brisbane
17. Adelaide
18. West Coast (tied to Hawthorn)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291137/inside-trading-lion-to-land-extension-injured-don-set-for-talks-crow-to-wait
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Meet potential Richmond prospects!
What are your thoughts—what do Richmond need with their first two picks?
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https://x.com/Dylfollowsdraft/status/1907243770393088152
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Reckon we still need to try and get another high pick somehow, regardless of whether we trade for Reid or not. :shh
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AFL confirms dates for 2025 trade and draft periods
Wed May 28: 2025 Mid-Season Rookie Draft
Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 Telstra AFL Draft
Thu Dec 4 - Wed Dec 10: AFLW Trade Period
Mon Dec 15: The Telstra AFLW Draft
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291626/dates-for-2025-trade-period-free-agency-mid-season-rookie-draft-national-draft-for-both-afl-and-aflw-revealed
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Who will Richmond take with PICK 1 in the 2025 AFL Draft?
Richmond bottomed out in the 2024 AFL season and went straight to the draft! I breakdown their strategy and look at some players they might be targeting in 2025.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:42 - Best Current Players
07:36 - 2024 Draft
14:15 - What Picks?
15:10 - 2025 Options
22:49 - How they would look
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRswpe8fQ38
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‘EXTRAORDINARY’ PICK 1 STATEMENT WHILE YOUNGEST DUURSMA FIRES
Foxsports
4 April 2025
It’s the Round 1 statement – and potentially Pick 1 statement – that’s left AFL scouts gushing.
After a draft year where the No. 1 AFL draftee was unclear for most of the season, Calder Cannons star Cooper Duff-Tytler on the weekend set a high early benchmark for his peers with an “extraordinary” display – according to one scout spoken to by foxfooty.com.au – against the Oakleigh Chargers.
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Cooper Duff-Tytler of Calder Cannons. Picture: Martin Keep/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
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The 200cm prospect booted 2.0 from 26 disposals, eight clearances, four marks and 14 hit-outs playing as the Cannons’ No. 1 ruck in an intriguing battle against Oakleigh’s Louis Emmett, who also shapes as a potential top-10 pick.
Duff-Tytler kicked the first goal of the game within the opening 10 seconds. After competing in the opening centre bounce against Emmett, Duft-Tytler glided forward, got on the end of a handball chain and nailed a graceful on the run from 50m out.
“I haven’t seen a start to a season like that from a top-end pick,” a second AFL club recruiter told foxfooty.com.au of Duff-Tytler’s opening major.
While Emmett had the advantage at ruck contests, Duff-Tytler’s exceptional mobility, strong ball-handling skills at ground level and ability to play as an extra midfielder around the ground was on full show. Recruiters have likened that ability to Bulldogs All-Australian ruck Tim English, while also possessing speed and strong overhead marking skills.
It was an impressive reminder of Duff-Tytler’s tantalising talent and potential to the Coates Talent League fraternity.
A likely Pick 1 competitor with Duff-Tytler this year is another star to have emerged from the famous family from Foster.
Willem Duursma, the younger brother of Xavier, Yasmin and Zane Duursma, kicked off his 2025 Coates Talent League campaign with an eye-catching performance. Playing for Gippsland Power, Duursma looked every bit a top-five draft talent, booting 1.3 from 36 disposals, 10 marks, five tackles and five inside 50s against the Murray Bushrangers.
At 192cm, the silky Duursma has an elite kick, great lateral movement and the versatility to play in multiple positions on the field. But he did all his damage on Sunday playing predominantly as a midfielder – which is where the Power intend to play him for most of its season.
One scout likened Duursma’s ability to explode from congestion after receiving handballs on Sunday to Giants star Finn Callaghan. And the scary thing is scouts believe Duursma can go to another level if he can improve his contested game throughout the year.
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Willem Duursma playing for Victoria Country in 2024 in Perth. Picture: Will Russell/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
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Another top prospect that featured in the Bushrangers-Power game was Murray’s Riley Onley, who booted one goal from 28 disposals and seven marks. While some scouts would like a greater sample size, Onley (195cm) fans reckon he has all the traits of a modern-day midfielder: Size, good speed and endurance.
In South Australia, scouts were pleased with Dyson Sharp’s start to 2025, lining up for Central District’s SANFL league side and booting 1.2 from 10 disposals. Sharp played predominantly forward against Woodville-West Torrens but is expected to get more midfield exposure as the season progresses.
Sharp is renowned for being a big-bodied on-baller who’s a beast at the coalface, clean with ball in hand and is also a good user.
Sharp stepped up to SANFL level superbly late last year for Central District, playing five games – including three finals – to averaged 16.4 disposals, 8.2 tackles and 4.0 clearances – as a 17-year-old. He’s been a dominant junior throughout the years, winning the Kevin Sheehan Medal as the MVP of the Under 16 National Championships.
In the Stingrays-Falcons match, Geelong’s Josh Lindsay – the best player in last year’s Under 17s futures match on AFL Grand Final day – played a terrific inside midfielder’s game, finishing with 27 disposals, seven tackles and five inside 50s. Recruiters love Lindsay’s inside-outside balance and decision-making skills, with most believing he’s in the first-round mix at this stage.
Eastern Ranges big-bodied midfielder Ollie Greeves was solid in his first Talent League match of the year, warming into his game against the Northern Knights to finish with 23 disposals and five tackles. Clubs like his footy smarts, kicking skills and toughness at the contest.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2025-date-announced-top-prospects-cooper-dufftytler-willem-duursma-and-dyson-sharp-shine-order-predictions-hussien-el-ackhar-essendon-tom-mcguane-collingwood/news-story/f27bfd0152ff0025b1805ff6d1bfd907
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Dursma looked okay but his disposal was poor. It was a windy day though.
I’m not sure who we target. Need vs talent… duff Tytler is looking most talented atm but might be a hard one to take at pick 1.
I think we need a silky, quick footed mid like Jagga smith to compliment our big boys in Lalor and Smillie.
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I’m never taking a ruck at pick1 personally. Take the best mid available.
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Even the argument of best mid is difficult. Was Lalor the best mid ? Definitely not but he’s a player that comes around every so often, like Dusty, de goey, petracca. Best fit for us now is pace.
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Only reason to get Duursma is if it helps us get his sister's boyfriend. :shh
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Eagles putting up some stiff competition for pick 1
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Eagles putting up some stiff competition for pick 1
Hopefully the backlash from this week pressures Allen into staying at the eagles.
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Current draft order after Round 4:
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Our VFL side is playing the national U18s side on Sunday arvo at Moorabbin Oval.
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Australia Under 18 squad to face Richmond VFL
1. Thomas Burton (Western Jets/Point Cook)
2. Beau Addinsall (Gold Coast Suns Academy/Burleigh)
3. Lachlan Carmichael (Sydney Swans Academy/Mosman)
4. Willem Duursma (Gippsland Power/Foster)
5. Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves (Dandenong Stingrays/Mornington)
6. Josh Lindsay (Geelong Falcons/Newtown & Chilwell)
7. Dylan Patterson (Gold Coast Suns Academy/Palm Beach Currumbin)
8. Ben Rongdit (Geelong Falcons/Colac)
9. Zeke Uwland (Gold Coast Suns Academy/Burleigh)
10. Wesley Walley (Subiaco/Warwick Greenwood)
20. Daniel Annable (Brisbane Lions Academy/Redland-Victoria Point)
21. Harley Barker (Sturt/Mt Barker)
22. Noah Chamberlain (Sydney Swans Academy/East Sydney)
23. Samuel Cumming (North Adelaide/Wentworth District)
24. Louis Emmett (Oakleigh Chargers/Glen Iris)
25. Koby Evans (Perth/Federals)
26. Oliver Greeves (Eastern Ranges/Vermont)
27. Taj Murray (Northern Territory Academy/Nightcliff/North Adelaide)
28. Riley Onley (Murray Bushrangers/Shepparton United)
29. Fred Rodriguez (South Fremantle/Fremantle City Dockers)
30. Dyson Sharp (Central District/Barossa District)
31. Cody Curtin (Claremont/West Coast)
34. Cooper Duff-Tytler (Calder Cannons/Woodend-Hesket)
35. Jasper Hay (Tasmania Devils/Clarence)
36. Liam Hetherton (Murray Bushrangers/North Albury)
37. Matthew LeRay (Central District/Golden Grove)
38. Archie Ludowyke (Sandringham Dragons/East Sandringham)
39. Kalani White (Gold Coast Suns Academy/Broadbeach)
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The AFL this week released the Australian Under 18 squad to take on Richmond’s VFL team at RSEA Park on Sunday afternoon.
Pick 1 contenders Cooper Duff-Tytler, Willem Duursma and Dyson Sharp – who’ve all had strong starts to their draft year – have all been named in a strong 29-player squad, which also includes an array of top talent from northern academies.
Top Lions academy prospect Daniel Annable – a strong 183cm on-baller with excellent stoppage craft – will feature after his eye-catching academy series campaign, as will Suns academy midfielder Beau Addinsall.
Recruiters will also get a good look at the best players from the Sydney Swans’ best academy group in years.
Max King – an athletic 191cm prospect who’s strong overhead and clean at ground level – is a potential top-five pick. He produced a six-goal haul in a Summer Series game for the Swans’ academy against the Giants’ academy recently, while he had some standout moments against the Suns in his most recent outing.
Athletic and dynamic 192cm half-forward Noah Chamberlain and smooth-moving 183cm defender Lachlan Carmichael are also in the first-round mix. Carmichael was particularly impressive in his side’s most recent clash against the Suns’ academy.
Two players named in the Australian squad who won’t face the Tigers, though, will be Gold Coast’s top academy prospect Zeke Uwland and Dandenong Stingrays midfielder Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves.
Uwland is a brilliant, left-footed winger with great game sense who’s been likened to dual All-Australian Errol Gulden, with some recruiters suggesting he’s the No. 1 player in the 2025 pool. But he’s been managing a back injury in recent months and won’t face the Tigers on Sunday.
The Suns confirmed to foxfooty.com.au they and the AFL Academy medical staff continue to work towards a return to play for Uwland later in 2025, but stressed no timeline was in place at this stage and that he wouldn’t be rushed back if he’s not right.
Uwland, the brother of emerging Gold Coast defender Bodhi Uwland, already has plenty of runs on the board, as he was the only bottom-age player selected in last year’s Under 18 All-Australian team.
Hibbins-Hargreaves, meanwhile, won’t feature for the Aussie Under 18s on Sunday after hurting his left shoulder during a marking contest early in the first quarter of the Stingrays’ clash with Gippsland Power on Sunday. He kicked a set-shot goal after the mark, but immediately came to the bench for assessment and didn’t return for the rest of the game.
While Hibbins-Hargreaves won’t play this week, foxfooty.com.au understands the setback isn’t as bad as first thought and that he’s avoided significant structural damage.
Scouts are looking forward to seeing how this year’s top prospects fare against AFL-listed players from the Tigers, whose VFL side could feature an array of 2024 draftees like Josh Smillie, Jasper Alger, Jonty Faull and Tom Sims. Other Tigers who could also feature include Samson Ryan, Jacob Koschitzke, Hugo Ralphsmith and Maurice Rioli Jnr.
And recruiters are also awaiting Richmond’s call on Noah Balta and whether he lines up for the club’s VFL team this weekend. If he does play on Sunday, he could get the match-up on one of WA’s top prospects Cody Curtin – a 200cm key forward who’s the brother of Adelaide top-10 pick Daniel Curtin.
Following an induction camp held in Victoria last December, the academy squad will come together on Thursday ahead of the weekend’s game.
“Wearing the Australia jumper and representing the Australia U18 team is a huge honour for our young stars and always the highlight of the Marsh AFL National Academy program,” AFL national academy manager Tarkyn Lockyer said.
“We look forward to having the squad together this weekend and providing them new experiences and learnings which they can equip themselves with on and off the field throughout their football journey.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2025-australia-under-18s-v-richmond-vfl-zeke-uwland-injury-top-prospects-order-after-essendon-trades-hussien-el-achkar-adam-sweid/news-story/1cae1b0bb70e38529b7e90a9a6f6ebf7
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For those keeping track of this years draft, Rory Wright looks to be someone to keep an eye on.
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Gotta lol at Carlton.
No first rounder haha.
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Gotta lol at Carlton.
No first rounder haha.
Could be wrong but I think Andrew walkers kid as a f/s for them is in this upcoming draft and he is rated highly so they wanted to trade out their 1st round pick anyway.
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Gotta lol at Carlton.
No first rounder haha.
Could be wrong but I think Andrew walkers kid as a f/s for them is in this upcoming draft and he is rated highly so they wanted to trade out their 1st round pick anyway.
True, could have had both though!
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I believe Andrew Walker’s son is eligible for the draft in 2026, not this year. So you can lol at Carlton for this years draft.
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Is Walker in our academy? Why have we got a F/S in our academy? Seems a silly waste of resources. I can't see him choosing us over Carlton. Regardless how much of a basketcase they are. Even weirder he chose to be part of our academy over theirs.
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LDU re-signed with north so that’s 1 less free agency compo pick we have to worry about impacting our picks.
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Australia 18s today: (according to the commentators)
Beau Addinsall 28 disposals (Suns academy)
Oliver Greeves 26 disposals and 4 behinds - Eastern Ranges
Archie Ludowyke 3 goals - Sandy Dragons
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Top 10 draftees for 2025, April Edition
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AFL Draft Board
By Harrison Reid
7news
15 April 2025
Welcome to 7NEWS.com.au’s new monthly AFL draft series The Draft Board.
In the lead-up to November’s draft, we will hand-pick players each month who are impressing around the country.
The Draft Board will not try to be perfect and does not intend to publish an entire ranking system of every top prospect around the country — it will simply highlight some good performances which catch the eye from month to month.
Throughout the opening few weeks of the season, Eastern Ranges midfielder Oliver Greeves has solidified his credentials as a top-20 contender, and maybe higher.
Oliver Greeves
VIC Metro, Eastern Ranges, midfielder, 191cm
What a start to the year for the midfield bull. Averaging 27 touches from his two Coates Talent League games for the Eastern Ranges, including a best-on-ground performance against Sandringham in Round 2. Was one of the AFL Academy’s best in their exhibition match against Richmond VFL on Sunday, pushing his claims strongly as a top-20 selection. Hawthorn will be bleeding after having their late submission to list the 191cm ball-winner, who has an Indigenous background, as an NGA product rejected by the AFL in March.
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Oliver Greeves is rising up draft boards around the country. Credit: Josh Chadwick/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
Dyson Sharp
SA, Central Districts, midfielder, 188cm
Sharp is yet to find his absolute best in 2025, but is a victim of his own extremely lofty standards, to be fair. Among the draft crop’s best contested ball-winners and showed glimpses of that ability for the Academy against the Tigers. Right in the frame as a potential top-five pick.
Cooper Duff-Tytler
VIC Metro, Calder Cannons, ruck, 200cm
The potential No.1 pick made a statement in the first 20 seconds of the Coates Talent League season, kicking one of the more extraordinary goals you’re ever likely to see from a big man. But don’t think of Duff-Tytler as a typical lanky ruck whose instructions are to mark and handball; he’s more like a midfielder stuck in a ruck’s body, and is averaging 25 touches from his first two games with the Cannons. Was below his absolute best against Richmond VFL but still had his moments, including a carbon copy of his Round 1 goal out of the centre square when the going was tough for the Academy early in the contest.
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Cooper Duff-Tytler is among the contenders for the No.1 pick. Credit: Josh Chadwick/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
Willem Duursma
VIC Country, Gippsland Power, midfielder/forward, 191cm
Another red-hot chance for the No.1 pick in the draft who didn’t quite reach top gear for the Academy on Sunday, but has still shown plenty in the opening month of the season. In a wide-open race for the mantle of the No.1 pick, the youngest brother of Xavier (Essendon), Zane (North Melbourne) and Yasmin (Carlton) made the early running to have his name read out first with a statement 36-disposal game for Gippsland in Round 1. Recruiters will be watching closely when the Academy plays next against VFL outfit Coburg later this month.
Archie Ludowyke
VIC Metro, Sandringham Dragons, key forward, 197cm
That Ludowyke wasn’t quite at his best for the Academy against Richmond but still managed to kick three goals is an ominous sign for the raw and lanky key forward. Watching Ludowyke so far this season, he has always looked so close to tearing a game apart, without ever quite doing it. Even when he kicked 5.1 in the Dragons’ thrilling Round 2 victory over the Ranges, it felt like he left a few more out there. Nowhere near the finished product, but has all the tools to get there. It will be interesting to see how much he can progress throughout the year, and how early a club is willing to take him in the draft.
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Archie Ludowyke is one of the best key forwards in the 2025 draft class. Credit: Josh Chadwick/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
Other notable mentions
Sandringham Dragons star Rory Wright went toe-to-toe with Greeves in an epic midfield battle in Round 2, which will do his draft stocks no harm at all. Over-ager Zac Walker didn’t even make his Coates Talent League debut for the Gippsland Power until Round 1 this year, but is already proving a draft smokey as an impressive medium-sized interceptor at half-back.
Murray Bushrangers big man Liam Hetherton is among the best key forwards in the draft class, while Central District winger Matt LeRay offers something different as an outside midfielder at 189cm. Claremont forward Cody Curtin has made a great start to the WAFL Colts season and had some good moments in defence for the Academy on Sunday.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-board-hawthorns-rejected-bid-to-get-nga-status-for-oliver-greeves-could-hurt-c-18315666
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Would be considering Tom Evans in the MSD. Small rebounding defender, we have no small defenders coming through at all.
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Would be considering Tom Evans in the MSD. Small rebounding defender, we have no small defenders coming through at all.
We currently don't have a spot available to take anyone in the MSD
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Would be considering Tom Evans in the MSD. Small rebounding defender, we have no small defenders coming through at all.
We currently don't have a spot available to take anyone in the MSD
We will make a spot if there is a standout option surely?
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Yeah, Prestia could very well retire too
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FUTURE PICK FLOODGATES OPEN
Clubs will be able to trade away all of their 2026 picks with the extension of future trading to two years in advance.
Under the new rules, clubs will be allowed to trade a full suite of their future picks one year ahead as the AFL this year introduces two years' worth of future picks being up for grabs in deals.
Under the previous future trading rules, clubs would need to retain a 'full suite' of second and third-round selections in their future draft hand to be permitted to trade their future first-round pick. That caused some challenges among clubs as deals were left hanging by the need to retain picks to meet the criteria.
But with the advancement of future trading to two years, that rule now applies to the second year of future trading and no longer to the first.
For example this season, clubs will be able to trade their 2025 picks and all of their 2026 picks, but then have to carry their 2027 second and third-round selections to trade that year's first-round pick, or to trade out their 2027 second and third-round picks, they need to retain that year's first-round pick.
The AFL has kept its 'two-in-four' condition to future trading, meaning clubs must use at least two first-round picks over a rolling four-year period to be able to trade out their future first-round selections.
The extra hand of picks, plus no limits on the number of selections a club can trade one year in advance, means clubs will have far more assets to play with at the trade table this year. It is why many list bosses believe big deals can be arranged later than ever with more chips to play with and why clubs believed the AFL's call not to introduce the move last year stopped any chance of Christian Petracca being able to land anywhere as no clubs had enough assets to satisfy a deal. – Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1300399/inside-trading-young-gun-set-for-talks-blues-duo-wait-swan-keen-to-play-on
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AFL Draft: Race to be pick 1 wide open; lots of academy-linked players
Jasper Chellappah
ESPN
Apr 16, 2025
Willem Duursma lands at the top spot on ESPN's big board in a wide-open pool. The dynamic utility has dominated in periods on-ball for Gippsland, proving his credentials as a ball-winner who excels in transition. There were a number of highly-touted open pool prospects to raise their stock in the AFL Academy hitout against Richmond VFL, including Dragons high-flyer Archie Ludowyke and WA midfielder Fred Rodriguez.
2025 is the year of the Academies. Brisbane, Gold Coast and Sydney are preparing to match potential top-10 bids on club-tied talent, while Victorian NGAs are producing first-round footballers. It means we could see the first round of the 2025 AFL Draft extending out past 30 selections.
With a month of top-age football under their belts, this is ESPN's top 20 Power Rankings for April.
1. Willem Duursma
Gippsland Power/Vic Country
DEF/MID, 191cm
AFL Academy: 14 disposals, 2 marks
Duursma has had an inconsistent campaign to date, but there's no questioning his AFL-level traits on display. At 191cm, the boundless athleticism and competitiveness give him a high floor, but it's the capacity to play across all three areas of the ground and impact that makes him such an in-demand prospect. Duursma was quiet on the weekend against Richmond VFL without access to the ball through the midfield in a scrappy match. He played a lockdown role in defence with the midfield riches at hand, holding his own against AFL-listed talls.
2. Daniel Annable - Lions Academy
Lions Academy/Allies
MID, 183cm
AFL Academy: 22 disposals, 2 goals
3. Zeke Uwland - Suns Academy
Suns Academy/Allies
MID/DEF, 178cm
4. Cooper Duff-Tytler
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
RUC, 200cm
AFL Academy: 10 disposals, 1 goal
'CDT' has been immense to begin 2025, pushing his name into pick one calculations. He would be the first ruckman to be taken at the top spot since Matthew Kreuzer in 2007. Duff-Tytler is a roaming tall, clean with his hands in the contest and a good ball user by foot on the outside. His athleticism when the ball hits the deck is his biggest strength, buttering up from ruck contests to boot running goals from the 50m arc. Questions about his placing in this pool come mostly via the role of modern-day rucks - at 200cm he's slightly undersized and needs to build his body to compete at the next level. If he proves his contested marking around the ground there's no reason, he can't be the top choice.
5. Fred Rodriguez
South Fremantle/Western Australia
MID, 184cm
AFL Academy: 14 disposals, 3 marks
There were moments on the weekend when Rodriguez's class shone through on a blustery afternoon. The midfielder is equally adept off both feet and it proved vital in a contested, high-pressure game against bigger bodies. His work rate is strong and the burst of speed to clear congestion allows him to use those lovely skills. Rodriguez is an exciting prospect in the open pool for clubs to consider in the top 10.
6. Dyson Sharp
Central Districts/South Australia
MID, 188cm
AFL Academy: 11 disposals, 3 marks
It's been a shaky start to 2025 for Sharp, who has begun the season in the SANFL as a half forward. He hasn't been able to stake his claim as the contested beast he's been known as through juniors and lacks the outside polish of others to elevate his stock in the forward 50. Sharp is physically imposing and has the contested tools to become an excellent inside midfielder but may lack positional versatility at the next level.
7. Max King - Swans Academy
Swans Academy/Allies
FWD/MID, 191cm
8. Archie Ludowyke
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
FWD, 197cm
AFL Academy: 12 disposals, 3 goals
Ludowyke is a big winner from the first AFL academy hitout, booting three goals and looking dangerous on the move in forward 50. He proved to be the talisman of a talented group of talls, with his springy leap and proactive movement causing headaches all day. The Dragons high-flyer has started the season strongly and looks more controlled in his set shot routine off his left boot.
9. Beau Addinsall - Suns Academy
Suns Academy/Allies
MID/FWD, 180cm
AFL Academy: 28 disposals
10. Noah Hibbins-Hargeaves
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
FWD/MID, 185cm
Hibbins-Hargreaves missed on the weekend after sustaining a shoulder injury for Dandenong, but it shouldn't rule him out for too long. The AFL Academy was lacking a forward-half conduit which the Stingrays maestro does so well, finding the ball in pockets of space to set up teammates or finish off opportunities. He's a big game player and will be hoping to make it back for the second outing against Coburg.
11. Josh Lindsay
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
DEF/MID, 183cm
AFL Academy: 16 disposals, 6 marks
Lindsay is a smooth-moving halfback who racks up the ball and uses it gloriously off a carving left boot. It's difficult to see how his game doesn't translate to the next level, though he's had his battles graduating into an on-ball role and winning his own footy. Lindsay is at his best when he can cut up the opposition with kicks in the forward half.
12. Ollie Greeves
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
MID, 191cm
AFL Academy: 26 disposals, 5 marks
Greeves is a remarkably similar player to his former Ranges teammate Josh Smillie in physique and ball-winning capability. The inside midfielder is clean and strong over the ball and didn't have any trouble finding the footy down back in the second half on the weekend. He will go as high as his kicking allows him, which is the one big detractor - he finished with four behinds on the day.
13. Wes Walley - West Coast NGA
Subiaco/Western Australia
FWD, 181cm
AFL Academy: 9 disposals, 2 marks
14. Cody Curtin
Claremont/Western Australia
FWD/DEF, 197cm
AFL Academy: 5 disposals, 3 marks
Curtin has filled out his frame over the off-season and has become a strong marking target up forward for Claremont. It was down back that he rose to prominence last season and again for the AFL Academy he played an important role on talls in the first half. He's a stronger aerial presence than brother Dan but lacks the skill and mobility of his older brother.
15. Riley Onley
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
MID, 194cm
AFL Academy: 15 disposals, 3 marks
Onley is a hulking presence in the midfield but has found most of his success on the outside of congestion to date. That was true again on the weekend with extended periods on the wing where he was good in transition. Onley's ability in the air and penetration in his kick set him apart from other midfielders.
16. Louis Emmett
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
RUC/FWD, 199cm
AFL Academy: 5 disposals, 1 goal
Where Emmett settles at the next level will be of keen interest to recruiters. The ruck-forward has played extended football in both positions and likely finds himself as a roaming tall with his athletic qualities and skill. Emmett is slightly undersized to impact in ruck contests and doesn't have the physicality yet.
17. Tom McGuane - Collingwood father-son
Western Jets/Vic Metro
MID, 178cm
18. Dylan Patterson - Suns Academy
Suns Academy/Allies
DEF, 183cm
AFL Academy: 15 disposals, 2 tackles
19. Adam Sweid - Essendon NGA
Calder Cannons
MID/FWD, 175cm
20. Sam Cumming
North Adelaide/South Australia
MID, 185cm
AFL Academy: 13 disposals
A balanced midfielder out of SA, Cummins has been excellent in the U18s but found the step up for the AFL Academy a big task. He plied his trade on-ball for long stretches and had moments of class where he exited stoppages with safe hands but struggled to find the ball on the outside where he can become a metres-gained player. Cumming's defensive work is a highlight of his game.
In the mix:
A Swans Academy duo in utility Noah Chamberlain and midfielder Lachie Carmichael had quiet outings but are considered first-round options, while McGuane's Jets teammate Tom Burton is a dashing defender that accumulates like few others.
Essendon NGA small forward Hussien El Achkar leads all comers for goals in the Talent League to highlight his extraordinary form and left some on the table kicking 3.5 on the weekend.
WA midfielder Toby Whan could rise into this crop with continued dominance in the Colts, power forward Liam Hetherton should get exposure to the VFL level this year and Collingwood NGA pair Jai Saxena and Zac McCarthy are rising up boards.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/44676369/afl-draft-2025-april-power-rankings-duursma-ludowyke-annable-uwland
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Callum Smith, the grandson of Richmond legend Kevin Barlett also had a strong outing in Werribee.
“He’s more than that. I actually think this kid is going to jump really high… we’ve started to see some of the stuff he can do,” Cox said of Smith.
Smith runs a sub three second 20m sprint and is also an elite endurance runner who runs both ways.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-who-will-be-taken-in-afl-midseason-draft-floyd-burmeister-sam-lewis-tairon-ahmu-cody-walker-dougie-cochrane-port-adelaide-draft-rankings-whispers-latest-news/news-story/e22ba5f7da76a4f3a1ca0f6046c25722
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Call me crazy but I wish the father son rule extended to another generation. Think it's a huge shame Ed Richards isn't at Collingwood. Not a huge amount of sympathy for Pies.
Be disappointing if Smith is draftable talent and he goes elsewhere.
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Cooper Duff-Tytler is going to be seriously hard to pass up as the number 1 pick…
#afl #aflacademy #afldraft
https://x.com/Dylfollowsdraft/status/1916316245466714134
AFL Academy took down Coburg VFL today, here are some of the guys that impressed me.
Josh Lindsay
Dylan Patterson
Oliver Greeves
Cooper Duff-Tytler
#AFL #AFLDraft #AFLAcademy
https://x.com/Dylfollowsdraft/status/1916362849485787219
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An early mock draft.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpnHdLrbsAA3Rer?format=jpg&name=900x900) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v414-u9Ds0o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v414-u9Ds0o
He has us taking Willem Duursma at #2, bidding at #3, and then taking Sam Grlj at #4.
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How far has Sharp fallen?
Was being talked about as clear no.1 pick last year wasn’t he?
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How far has Sharp fallen?
Was being talked about as clear no.1 pick last year wasn’t he?
People are starting to notice how bad his kicking is. :shh
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AFL draft ‘unicorn’ in Pick 1 race turning heads at clubland as top prospects begin to form
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2025-calder-cannons-star-cooper-dufftytler-headlines-kevin-sheehan-top-prospects-profile-analysis-latest-news/news-story/7cc547d52d493b3b334b2dae2186cfb2
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No Duursmas near Punt Road please :pray
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A bit of draft talk from Callum Twomey from the 7 min mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX2CcJ3rsb0
Josh Lindsay
Ollie Greeves (called him Smillie 2.0)
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Let’s wait to see how Smillie 1.0 goes before we pickup Smillie 2.0 I rekn lol
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How does the 2025 AFL Draft crop compare to the 2024 Super Draft?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZSf74YEPA0
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No Duursmas near Punt Road please :pray
Bit harsh to judge him by his brothers.
Do you overlook nick dacios cause his brother was mid?
Willem Duursma + Cooper Duff-Tytler looks solid additions to the list currently.
Harley Reid dependant.
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How far has Sharp fallen?
Was being talked about as clear no.1 pick last year wasn’t he?
People are starting to notice how bad his kicking is. :shh
Reading the wce fans on the draft.
They are still high on sharp.
Many of them for him going top3
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GsAhqS8XEAAneb5?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://x.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1927583108712505601
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2 mids. I dig it :thumbsup
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I have moved into the Harley Reid trade mode. Reckon we go a 1:2 punch by leveraging Harley to Zach Butters as part of a free agency pitch in 2026.
Enter 2027 with Reid, Butters, Lalor and Hotton as the best young midfield in the comp.
Nank will be 33 but by then I reckon Sims can be a more than capable genuine no 2 ruck or go after another ruck in the trade.
I don’t want the Norf model of 5 bottom 3 finishes which is the risk if we keep going hard with top end draft talent.
Let’s not forget, we may enter 2027 without Lynch, Broad, Flossy, KMac, Short or Meatie. Like this group or not, that’s a heap of experience walking out the door, we have to replace some of it with ready made players.
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2 mids. I dig it :thumbsup
Yep - Reid & Kellaway. :shh
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2 mids. I dig it :thumbsup
Yep - Reid & Kellaway. :shh
I’m warming up to the idea.
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Reid and now Butters ... cannot see it happening
TBBH I can't see either at Richmond
I'll be honest I don't get the "obsession" with trying to get Reid. Yes very good player but I've got no doubt if WC decide to trade him this year (and I don't think they will) he will only agree to go to the team he wants to go to and right now IMHO that ain't us
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1. Richmond used their draft picks wisely last year and can do so again this year, but not in choosing the next best rookies but using picks 2 (a pick they have from North) and 3 to have a huge crack at getting Harley Reid.
Matthew Richardson
The Nightly
29 May 2025
Surely picks 2 and 3 will entice the Eagles to trade the star before his contract ends at the end of next year. He is exactly what the Tigers don’t have. A quick midfielder that can take the ball from inside to outside and kick goals. He would complement the tough and hard inside midfielders the Tigers already have in Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper perfectly. With the Tigers taking three talls in last year’s draft in Harry Armstrong, Tom Sims and Jonty Faull and three midfielders in Sam Lalor and the unseen as yet Josh Smillie and Taj Hotton they can afford to trade out the picks this year for Reid. And if West Coast were open to trading Reid, given strong speculation he will likely return to Melbourne in 2027 anyway with Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood and Essendon all interested in him, the Eagles could secure the top three picks by trading with Richmond. Get it done Tigers.
https://thenightly.com.au/opinion/sport/richos-top-10-richmond-tigers-should-trade-afl-draft-picks-2-and-3-for-west-coast-eagles-star-harley-reid-c-18853638
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Richo knows what's going down - preparing the fanbase for the trade. :shh
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Reid and now Butters ... cannot see it happening
TBBH I can't see either at Richmond
I'll be honest I don't get the "obsession" with trying to get Reid. Yes very good player but I've got no doubt if WC decide to trade him this year (and I don't think they will) he will only agree to go to the team he wants to go to and right now IMHO that ain't us
Reid just wants to come home. Don't care about Butters - overrated & injury prone. :shh
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Reid and now Butters ... cannot see it happening
TBBH I can't see either at Richmond
I'll be honest I don't get the "obsession" with trying to get Reid. Yes very good player but I've got no doubt if WC decide to trade him this year (and I don't think they will) he will only agree to go to the team he wants to go to and right now IMHO that ain't us
Reid just wants to come home. Don't care about Butters - overrated & injury prone. :shh
Yeah I get the same sense with Reid. He’s 20 years old I don’t really think he cares which team it is as long as it’s in VIC. Butters on the other hand (disagree I think he’s a gun), I’d suggest wouldn’t be interested in coming to a team that isn’t currently or on the cusp of contending. Think he may end up staying at port anyway.
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Been saying it for weeks.
We have 2&3.
A steak knife like blight.
Just need a modest pick back for Kellaway.
And no we're not giving the F1 that their fans want. 2+3 is a good deal IMO before Tas.
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Pick 2 and 3 for Reid your selling the farm bigtime considering we're in a rebuild. His a good player, but not worth that and his firm warrants it . We're paying on his season in 2024. Not sure we're journalist's and experts saying his quick he aren't a player who breaks the lines
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Pick 2 and 3 for Reid your selling the farm bigtime considering we're in a rebuild. His a good player, but not worth that and his firm warrants it . We're paying on his season in 2024. Not sure we're journalist's and experts saying his quick he aren't a player who breaks the lines
Firstly, he is absolutely a line breaker lol. Watched him at all dude? Far out.
Some guys go P1 and are still hit and miss, or just end up decent players like Walsh & McGrath. Reid is a player who has shown he has massive potential to be a proper superstar like Dusty. Personally I'd trade picks 2+3 (could end up 3+4 at least) to know that we're getting pretty much a guaranteed superstar with 12+ years of footy in him.
Form at this age always oscillates but you can see the extraordinary talent and ability for sure. He also looks like he doesn't want to be in WA, just like how JHF didn't want to be in VIC > Port won that trade hands down.
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Pick 2 and 3 for Reid your selling the farm bigtime considering we're in a rebuild. His a good player, but not worth that and his firm warrants it . We're paying on his season in 2024. Not sure we're journalist's and experts saying his quick he aren't a player who breaks the lines
Selling the farm big time?
Huge exaggeration
As for being a player that doesn’t break lines
:cheers :cheers :cheers
https://youtu.be/hxcPoA0VakM?si=yM7yZ5saPxvLtxdU
And lastly .. would you take picks 2 and 3 for Lalor? Because by your logic it’s selling the farm, meaning you most definitely would.
I wouldn’t
And by that logic I’d give up 2 and 3 for Reid in a heartbeat
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Not sure we're journalist's and experts saying his quick he aren't a player who breaks the lines
Lmao..... :joker :propeller
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Pick 2 and 3 for Reid your selling the farm bigtime considering we're in a rebuild. His a good player, but not worth that and his firm warrants it . We're paying on his season in 2024. Not sure we're journalist's and experts saying his quick he aren't a player who breaks the lines
Selling the farm big time?
Huge exaggeration
As for being a player that doesn’t break lines
:cheers :cheers :cheers
https://youtu.be/hxcPoA0VakM?si=yM7yZ5saPxvLtxdU
And lastly .. would you take picks 2 and 3 for Lalor? Because by your logic it’s selling the farm, meaning you most definitely would.
I wouldn’t
And by that logic I’d give up 2 and 3 for Reid in a heartbeat
Like I said your going on 2024 form and he hasn't shown quarter of that this season speed and breaking the lines im doubtful, and I'm not buying its because he wants out.
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Well he hasn’t just lost his speed and line breaking ability at the tender age of 20 years old lol.
Combination of eagles playing him in defence and him not giving a damn (very poor quality I know) has contributed to you not seeing it as much. However you could see it clear as day when they played us and mini finally moved him back into the middle, he was tearing our mid to shreds.
Anyway I’m still of the favour of taking our picks to the draft and getting the two best mids. Just with where our list is atm I think 2 players even with a lower ceiling than Reid is better than 1. Im just not as opposed to the idea as I was earlier this year.
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Harley Reid would've gone #1 in last year's draft and the 2022 draft as a 16 year-old. Murphy Reid (and nearly everyone drafted before him)would've gone #1 in this year's draft. :shh
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I'm on the Harley train. Would give up 2+3 in a heartbeat.
Midfield of Reid, Lalor, Smillie
Complimented by Taranto, Hopper
Possible additions or depth of Alger, McAuliffe, Hotton, Sonsie, Ross
We are golden.
Selling the farm big time?
Huge exaggeration
As for being a player that doesn’t break lines
:cheers :cheers :cheers
https://youtu.be/hxcPoA0VakM?si=yM7yZ5saPxvLtxdU
And lastly .. would you take picks 2 and 3 for Lalor? Because by your logic it’s selling the farm, meaning you most definitely would.
I wouldn’t
And by that logic I’d give up 2 and 3 for Reid in a heartbeat
:bow
Well he hasn’t just lost his speed and line breaking ability at the tender age of 20 years old lol.
Combination of eagles playing him in defence and him not giving a damn (very poor quality I know) has contributed to you not seeing it as much. However you could see it clear as day when they played us and mini finally moved him back into the middle, he was tearing our mid to shreds.
Anyway I’m still of the favour of taking our picks to the draft and getting the two best mids. Just with where our list is atm I think 2 players even with a lower ceiling than Reid is better than 1. Im just not as opposed to the idea as I was earlier this year.
Middle sentence is bang on. Look at JHF. Couldn't have given a flying F playing for the Roos but is clearly deliverying at Port.
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Reality is we cannot build a team by just loading up on draft picks. However you want to look at it, we must get players from other clubs. Butters might be injury prone but delivers exactly what we need, is at the perfect age profile and would cost us nothing.
Reid and Lalor look like generational talents - much like Anderson and Rowell at the Gold Coast.
It’s the perfect play going into Tassie’s entry in 2028 and profiles exactly as it did for us in 2011 when we had Rance, Jack, Cotch and Dusty as Goldie and GWS came into the comp.
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Reality is we cannot build a team by just loading up on draft picks. However you want to look at it, we must get players from other clubs. Butters might be injury prone but delivers exactly what we need, is at the perfect age profile and would cost us nothing.
Reid and Lalor look like generational talents - much like Anderson and Rowell at the Gold Coast.
It’s the perfect play going into Tassie’s entry in 2028 and profiles exactly as it did for us in 2011 when we had Rance, Jack, Cotch and Dusty as Goldie and GWS came into the comp.
I actually think we may well have done as well or better than we did with those big 4.
Early days, but I like the signs.
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Reality is we cannot build a team by just loading up on draft picks. However you want to look at it, we must get players from other clubs. Butters might be injury prone but delivers exactly what we need, is at the perfect age profile and would cost us nothing.
Reid and Lalor look like generational talents - much like Anderson and Rowell at the Gold Coast.
It’s the perfect play going into Tassie’s entry in 2028 and profiles exactly as it did for us in 2011 when we had Rance, Jack, Cotch and Dusty as Goldie and GWS came into the comp.
I actually think we may well have done as well or better than we did with those big 4.
Early days, but I like the signs.
That is a huge call to make and not one you can remotely make after something like 20 games combined between them. We haven’t even seen a few of them play at all yet. We’re not just talking about 4 very good players, those are all time greats of the club with 1100+ games, 10 premiership medals, 3 norm smith medals, 2 Brownlow medals, 3 Coleman medals, 8 jack dyer medals and many more accolades between them.
P.S pls god let it be true :pray
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Reality is we cannot build a team by just loading up on draft picks. However you want to look at it, we must get players from other clubs. Butters might be injury prone but delivers exactly what we need, is at the perfect age profile and would cost us nothing.
Reid and Lalor look like generational talents - much like Anderson and Rowell at the Gold Coast.
It’s the perfect play going into Tassie’s entry in 2028 and profiles exactly as it did for us in 2011 when we had Rance, Jack, Cotch and Dusty as Goldie and GWS came into the comp.
I actually think we may well have done as well or better than we did with those big 4.
Early days, but I like the signs.
That is a huge call to make and not one you can remotely make after something like 20 games combined between them. We haven’t even seen a few of them play at all yet. We’re not just talking about 4 very good players, those are all time greats of the club with 1100+ games, 10 premiership medals, 3 norm smith medals, 2 Brownlow medals, 3 Coleman medals, 8 jack dyer medals and many more accolades between them.
P.S pls god let it be true :pray
Should clarify somewhat, I don't mean better on individual potential
As a draft haul/securing our core players for success.
Sorry to confuse. Don't actually think I've seen enough to suggest we have another dusty, cotch, jack or Tross
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‘Generational talent’: Vic powerhouse urged to enter Harley race with mammoth move for ‘megastar’
Fox Sports
May 31, 2025
Richmond have been urged to consider putting a mammoth offer to the West Coast Eagles in a bid to lure Harley Reid back to Victoria.
Reid has become one of the competition’s most-discussed trade prospects in recent times with mystery surrounding his future.
The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph reported earlier this month that the Eagles were “confident” he would sign a new deal soon, but that rival clubs believe he ‘will request a trade at the end of the year’.
Plenty of Victorian clubs would throw their hat in the ring for Reid if he did want to leave the Eagles and return to Victoria and one AFL great believes Richmond should get aggressive on the trade front.
At the time of writing, Richmond holds two top five selections at this year’s draft, after North Melbourne traded their future first to the Tigers last year in order to land exciting tall prospect Matt Whitlock.
With a draft bounty at their disposal, could the Tigers get aggressive and land one of the country’s hottest young talents?
“Would you give up both of those picks and maybe a future first - do they need one mega star with Sam Lalor and co, or do they need three or four really good players to thicken out that list build?” Ralph posted on Fox Footy’s Thursday Night Footy broadcast.
“Two top fives and a future? I’d want something back if I’m Richmond. But I’m a believer, I’m a buyer in Harley Reid,” St Kilda champion Leigh Montagna said.
“I think he is a generational talent. I’d be giving up at least two first rounders, I’d be happy to give up a third if I got something back in return. I would, I’d do it.”
Hawthorn legend Jason Dunstall replied: “Three and four aren’t just first round picks, they’re top end.”
Montagna added: “They’re still speculative, you don’t know. We’ve seen some pick 3 and 4 that aren’t very good… I’d take Harley Reid, I’d take the risk.”
North Melbourne champion David King put to Montagna if he would still do a prospective deal with the Eagles, given the Tigers are likely to be towards the bottom end of the ladder as they continue their rebuild.
“Even if it was three, four and next year be three again?” King asked.
“If I got another first rounder back? Yep,” Montagna replied.
The Harley Reid contract situation remains a fascinating one but if he wants to return home to Victoria, expect a trade frenzy like we’ve never seen before.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-richmond-urged-to-pursue-harley-reid-harley-reid-trade-rumours-where-will-harley-reid-play-in-2026-whispers-links-comments-latest-news/news-story/cb9d73f5f21057b02e41046b93c16d1f
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A trade frenzy like we’ve never seen before
But many on the forum can’t see the attraction??
Would INSTANTLY be our best young player
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Not for our 2 firsts this year and our first next year. That’s 3 x top 5 picks.
Although whoever they are quoting is saying the eagles would give 1 back which doesn’t make any sense. Why not just make it for 2 straight up. Ours and eagles picks will be around the same mark both this year and next.
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Not for our 2 firsts this year and our first next year. That’s 3 x top 5 picks.
Although whoever they are quoting is saying the eagles would give 1 back which doesn’t make any sense. Why not just make it for 2 straight up. Ours and eagles picks will be around the same mark both this year and next.
Makes sense from our point of view if we think we will finish above them next year
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Not for our 2 firsts this year and our first next year. That’s 3 x top 5 picks.
Although whoever they are quoting is saying the eagles would give 1 back which doesn’t make any sense. Why not just make it for 2 straight up. Ours and eagles picks will be around the same mark both this year and next.
Makes sense from our point of view if we think we will finish above them next year
Yeah but the way it’s phrased in the article is that west coast would want it which doesn’t make any sense to me.
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Not for our 2 firsts this year and our first next year. That’s 3 x top 5 picks.
Although whoever they are quoting is saying the eagles would give 1 back which doesn’t make any sense. Why not just make it for 2 straight up. Ours and eagles picks will be around the same mark both this year and next.
2026 will be compromised by mini-draft for Tas, won't it?
I'm still thinking about the gamble of a draft pick vs a player who's already drafted and shown that they are absolutely going to make it at the top level.
Think of how many top 5 players end up being a flop?
Not saying I'd want to send 3x firsts but if something decent was coming back like 2x 2nds maybe
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Now we're talking 3 first round picks if that's not selling farm I don't know what is.
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Now we're talking 3 first round picks if that's not selling farm I don't know what is.
Would be picks coming back
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Now we're talking 3 first round picks if that's not selling farm I don't know what is.
There is no player in the competition worth 3 first round picks to a team in the first 1-2 years of a rebuild. Especially when atleast 2 of those picks are top5.
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Now we're talking 3 first round picks if that's not selling farm I don't know what is.
There is no player in the competition worth 3 first round picks to a team in the first 1-2 years of a rebuild. Especially when atleast 2 of those picks are top5.
Agreed. I reckon 2+3 is enough to get it done with something coming back.
Sucks for WCE but bottom line is once he decides to go they have to take the best deal and our picks likely represent that.
I'd take a pick back for Kellaway.
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I think we can better value. When we have developed enough to compete with any side , it’s the time to bring in sell the farm players, unless he came at a reasonable price, no thanks
the bitching that went on about what we paid for Hopper and Taranto says it all.
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I think we can better value. When we have developed enough to compete with any side , it’s the time to bring in sell the farm players, unless he came at a reasonable price, no thanks
the bitching that went on about what we paid for Hopper and Taranto says it all.
The gamble for the hopper F1 was a fail IMO but otherwise not upset about Taranto and I don't think they're paid too much, never have
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Reid's 20 not 25-26, he'll only be two years older than next year's draftees , he's form this year is irrelevant even though it's still a better "down year" than most kids have, you won't find a better player than him in this year's draft and he would've gone #1 in last year's and the year before he was drafted. Our rebuild should've started last year anyway and getting Reid will address that, plus we'll still be getting Kellaway , could rookie Raso who looks a likely type & El Nour who could be anything (despite what WP thinks) and looks like we've finally got some decent NGA & F/S coming through next year in Armstrong, Roberts, Leys & Daffy with or without the possibility of still hanging on to our 2026 first rounder. All of the above's before even considering we might trade out some more players and pick up some handy free agents, dfas or fringe players from other clubs, like the filth have pretty much built their premiership list with, - far from "selling the farm", it's no-brainer really. :shh
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Dio if WC ask for both our first rounders this year and our first next year straight up for Reid without getting anything else back, would you do that deal?
I’m about sold if it’s our 2 firsts this year for Reid and eagles third rounder (to get kellaway), but that’s where I’d draw the line.
Our picks this year will be 3-5 and if we’re being realistic our first next year will be top3 too. Something like 3 + 4 + 3 for any player is wild. I’d rather get 3 x 8/10 prospects than 1 x 10/10 prospect with where our list is at.
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Let’s see if he’s available and what’s the asking price , what’s the chances he re signs anyway and even if he wants to come home he chooses the likes of Geelong or Collingwood .
A pipe dream and not worth 2 top 5 picks and definitely not 3 top 5 picks IMHO.
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Disagree with 2 (unless the talent scouts rate this draft highly which by all accounts, that doesn’t seem to be the case). Agree not worth 3.
Neither Collingwood nor Geelong have the draft capital to satisfy WC.
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It’s a just fantasy at this stage, just navel gazing with no solid evidence , and
history shows those clubs find a way if they want a player,
There is always good prospects in the top 5 , just not a top 25 like last year , that why it was such a good draft
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SEN regular Tom Morris says there has been a “serious shift” in Reid’s mindset of late, so much so that it is looking more and more likely that he’ll reman with the Eagles in 2026.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/02/the-serious-shift-that-could-see-reid-remain-with-eagles
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Sounds like Tassie might be toast. Means 2027 picks won’t be compromised although I’d be hoping we are starting to climb off the foot of the ladder by that point.
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Id rather we keep all of our picks for the next two years even trading into a first rounder in 2026.
two first rounders this year plus kellaway plus a quality f/a in the right age bracket. Address the Nankervis Ryan problem with a young ruckman even in the rokkie draft. Target the best possible state league player we can. And see what we can get for the likes of Miller or Blight to get a reasonable nd pick or player trade.
I think this way because we just don't have a decent middle tier of players. That is 23 thru 28 29 year olds our kids for starters have to step up and replace this group then we will still need a quality group of kids coming up behind them.
Quality depth is the way to ensure we climb and challenge in three or four years time. It also enables us to trade into the first round at will.
Our core aged 23 to 29. Forget about juniors we don't really know what we have yet, and vets, the vets wont be here and are not a part of any flag discussions thats a fact.
The bane of our problems is the following. Are any of them A elite or B very good players. Our 23 - 29 year olds who should be driving the club.
This is where our leaders are supposed to come from the ones who show the kids how.
Ross - 24, 81 games.
Mansell - 25, 62 games
Miller - 25, 58 games
HRS - 23 58 games
Short - 29, 183 games
Rioli - 23, 41 games
Koschitzke - 24, 62 games
Balta - 25,108 games Potential A grade.
Dow - 23, 45 games.
Ryan 24, 25 games
Trezise 23, 17 games
Lefau 26, 10 games
Bauer 23, 12games
Young 26, 28 games
Blight 23, 8 games
OH-B 25, 0 games
Taranto 27,164 games. A/B
Hopper 28, 154 games. B.
The out and out quality is going to have to come from the 22 and unders that we have apart from Balta. I don't think Hopper or Taranto will be around long enough to play in our next flag.
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But the nature of the 2025 pool might have clubs with multiple first-round picks, such as Essendon, Richmond and West Coast, pondering their positions.
Given the ‘thinner’ strength of this year’s draft pool, it might mean clubs are more willing to part with first round picks than usual.
“If you’re Richmond or Essendon right now, you’ve got two first-rounders, you’re thinking: ‘Do we trade them off? Does anyone want them?’” Ralph posed.
If they are more willing, it could trigger a huge Harley Reid play.
“The Harley Reid stuff, where’s Harley at? Is it Essendon that’s probably the favourite right now?
“It’s worth it, but I tell you what, he’d want to be really good. He’s a superstar but he’s going to take some time.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2025-order-top-prospects-date-predictions-national-championships-results-and-talking-points-thin-victorian-pool-dyson-sharp/news-story/a6bf53845e6b23fa052ae1143ad1994b
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I’ve come around to giving both our 1st rounders for Harley but if the rumoured 1.8mil per contract terms are accurate, I’m staying far far away from that. I don’t even know how you front load that to make it work, like do you pay him 2.6mil which is like 25% of the cap for the first few, even then your left with paying him 1mil a season at the back end which would still make him one of if not the highest earner. Then what do you do when other young players like Lalor get to the end of their deals and rightfully want to get paid around the same?
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Id rather we keep all of our picks for the next two years even trading into a first rounder in 2026.
two first rounders this year plus kellaway plus a quality f/a in the right age bracket. Address the Nankervis Ryan problem with a young ruckman even in the rokkie draft. Target the best possible state league player we can. And see what we can get for the likes of Miller or Blight to get a reasonable nd pick or player trade.
I think this way because we just don't have a decent middle tier of players. That is 23 thru 28 29 year olds our kids for starters have to step up and replace this group then we will still need a quality group of kids coming up behind them.
Quality depth is the way to ensure we climb and challenge in three or four years time. It also enables us to trade into the first round at will.
Our core aged 23 to 29. Forget about juniors we don't really know what we have yet, and vets, the vets wont be here and are not a part of any flag discussions thats a fact.
The bane of our problems is the following. Are any of them A elite or B very good players. Our 23 - 29 year olds who should be driving the club.
This is where our leaders are supposed to come from the ones who show the kids how.
Ross - 24, 81 games.
Mansell - 25, 62 games
Miller - 25, 58 games
HRS - 23 58 games
Short - 29, 183 games
Rioli - 23, 41 games
Koschitzke - 24, 62 games
Balta - 25,108 games Potential A grade.
Dow - 23, 45 games.
Ryan 24, 25 games
Trezise 23, 17 games
Lefau 26, 10 games
Bauer 23, 12games
Young 26, 28 games
Blight 23, 8 games
OH-B 25, 0 games
Taranto 27,164 games. A/B
Hopper 28, 154 games. B.
The out and out quality is going to have to come from the 22 and unders that we have apart from Balta. I don't think Hopper or Taranto will be around long enough to play in our next flag.
Good post this claw
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Dyson Sharp
The South Australian captain was everywhere again. Dyson Sharp is probably a lock to be a top 5 pick, and he is arguably the best midfielder in the draft. Sharp collected 33 disposals, 7 tackles, 6 clearances and kicked 2 goals, backing up his 32 touch, 2 goal effort against Vic Metro last week.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/16/draft-watch-the-best-midfielder-from-this-years-crop-goes-ballistic
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Meh -looks like another Will Brodie but even scrappier, if that's the best this draft has to offer we should be chucking everything at Reid.... :shh
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Draft uncertainty hits trade market
By Callum Twomey, Riley Beveridge, Josh Gabelich
afl.com.au
18 June 2025
THE UNCERTAINTY around the top end of this year's draft class is having an impact on the readiness of clubs to be open to trade deals this off-season.
The likes of star trio Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Miles Bergman and Matt Rowell all remain out of contract and would command major trade deals if they move, while clubs such as Essendon, Richmond, St Kilda, Geelong and Hawthorn will continue to try and prise Harley Reid out of West Coast while under contract.
But the backdrop of a draft class lacking the star power of recent years in the early stages, and the depth at the back, is set to see clubs push for more future picks to be part of any significant trade deals for players.
The capability for clubs to trade future picks two years in advance this year will assist in getting deals over the line as recruiters wait for the draft class to assert themselves as prized early selections.
South Australia has so far dominated the Marsh U18 Boys National Championships, with Dyson Sharp's month of form showing him to be the best crash-and-bash midfielder in the pool.
But there remains a top group in flux, with the likes of Willem Duursma, Cooper Duff-Tytler, Josh Lindsay and Academy pair Zeke Uwland (Gold Coast) and Dan Annable (Brisbane) considered all in the mix as top-five picks. Another Suns Academy player, Dylan Patterson, is tipped to be in the five or so picks after that.
Ollie Greeves, Aidan Schubert, Sam Grlj, Archie Ludowyke and Carlton father-son Harry Dean are others who are in top-15 considerations, with West Australian Jacob Farrow also catching interest as a possible riser in the second half of the season.
Aidan Schubert celebrates with teammates after kicking a goal during the Marsh AFL National Championships U18 match between Allies and South Australia at Blacktown International Sportspark on June 1, 2025. Picture: AFL Photos
The under-18 championships have produced two blowouts in four games so far, with recruiters far from buoyed by the lack of players to emerge in the open draft pool. And due to that, there is less of a push from clubs to get into the top end of the draft if they are to lose key players in trades.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1345729/inside-trading-draft-uncertainty-hits-trade-market-pie-eyes-2026-dons-new-deal
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NWM and Rowell would be decent targets IMO if people are concerned about trading too much draft capitol for just one player ie HR.
Wonder if we'd have the currency to get both over?
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Hibbins-Hargreaves is the only player I'm even vaguely excited about and certainly not excited enough to forego having a shot at Reid for. :shh
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Interesting interview from Dangerfield on 360. For the flock he cops he is a champion of the game and an absolute wrecking ball. He spoke about he the game is moving away from power players like himself (atleast in the midfield) and the game more so requires runners and mids that can get from contest to contest all game, like Bailey Smith and Max Holmes.
There’s no doubt the game has moved towards the likes of a fast and aerobic style, with teams like Carlton and Melbourne who relied heavily on a contested style failing miserably.
I hope we are aiming to recruit some modern day midfielders the likes of Holmes and smith whether it be through the draft or trade. We have drafted 2 bulls in Smillie and Lalor, time for some runners
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Interesting interview from Dangerfield on 360. For the flock he cops he is a champion of the game and an absolute wrecking ball. He spoke about he the game is moving away from power players like himself (atleast in the midfield) and the game more so requires runners and mids that can get from contest to contest all game, like Bailey Smith and Max Holmes.
There’s no doubt the game has moved towards the likes of a fast and aerobic style, with teams like Carlton and Melbourne who relied heavily on a contested style failing miserably.
I hope we are aiming to recruit some modern day midfielders the likes of Holmes and smith whether it be through the draft or trade. We have drafted 2 bulls in Smillie and Lalor, time for some runners
Should never have drafted Smillie
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Interesting interview from Dangerfield on 360. For the flock he cops he is a champion of the game and an absolute wrecking ball. He spoke about he the game is moving away from power players like himself (atleast in the midfield) and the game more so requires runners and mids that can get from contest to contest all game, like Bailey Smith and Max Holmes.
There’s no doubt the game has moved towards the likes of a fast and aerobic style, with teams like Carlton and Melbourne who relied heavily on a contested style failing miserably.
I hope we are aiming to recruit some modern day midfielders the likes of Holmes and smith whether it be through the draft or trade. We have drafted 2 bulls in Smillie and Lalor, time for some runners
Should never have drafted Smillie
Bit premature to be calling this mate.
Should never have drafted Dow and RCD though haha.
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Speaking of Dangerfield, to commemorate his 350th tonight someone post the GIF of his greatest moment, when dusty sent him into row Z of the Gabba with a little flick of his hips……
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Speaking of Dangerfield, to commemorate his 350th tonight someone post the GIF of his greatest moment, when dusty sent him into row Z of the Gabba with a little flick of his hips……
He took a typical flop in Q1 and missed a snap.
Sucker.
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Speaking of Dangerfield, to commemorate his 350th tonight someone post the GIF of his greatest moment, when dusty sent him into row Z of the Gabba with a little flick of his hips……
Here it is TK ;D
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Speaking of Dangerfield, to commemorate his 350th tonight someone post the GIF of his greatest moment, when dusty sent him into row Z of the Gabba with a little flick of his hips……
Here it is TK ;D
(http://www.tigertigerburningbright.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/ezgif-2-ab1ca977a1c4.gif)
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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People forget how good prime Danger and prime Fyfe were.
Both were sensational players, just that it’s a long time ago
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People forget how good prime Danger and prime Fyfe were.
Both were sensational players, just that it’s a long time ago
Yeah it's sad, especially for Fyfe because he's probably lost a lot of footy in his twilight due to injury. And he's a lot more likeable than Dangerflop
Flop on the other hand is also probably in his last year but still jagging a few goals. He's on track for 30+ this year and honestly if a guy is parked in the forward line as a medium size forward, former midfielder, you could even see him going around again tbh.
If Dusty was doing 1-2 goals/week from 10-15 touches I'd happily have seen him keep going.
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People forget how good prime Danger and prime Fyfe were.
Both were sensational players, just that it’s a long time ago
yep agree. Both were sensational.
we lost respect a little for for danger when he moved to geelong and became a FT suck. Ultimately though elite players is what they were.
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I’m from the Surfcoast, most people here disliked danger for a long time, even when he came back, but seems like many are coming around to him now as you just can’t deny the beast of a player he is and was. Gotta respect it at the least
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Dangerflog still one of the all-time finals chokers - needed to play the the Swanettes witches hats who are the new Colliwobbles to finally win one. :shh
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2025 AFL Draft Power Rankings! (1-40)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kQ5n9kJcFEw/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ5n9kJcFEw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ5n9kJcFEw
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AFL Draft Power Rankings: National Champs are here, and shaping the rankings
Jasper Chellappah
ESPN
Jun 19, 2025
1. Willem Duursma (last month: 1)
Gippsland Power/Vic Country
MID/DEF, 191cm
National Championships: 1 game, 27 disposals, 7 marks
Duursma has been thrown around the ground this year through team needs. His flexibility has led to inconsistency in role, be it an intercepting defender, deep forward or inside midfielder. Duursma's greatest strength is his elite athleticism in transition with speed, power and a brilliant leap. His strong first-up performance for Vic Country through the midfield flashed Duursma's top tier upside as a prototype on-baller.
Shades of: Will Day
2. Dyson Sharp (6)
Central Districts/South Australia
MID, 188cm
National Championships: 3 games, 28.3 disposals, 1.3 goals
Dyson Sharp has reminded us all of his elite traits. Odds on to take out the Larke Medal for best player at the National Championships, the SA captain has proved overwhelmingly powerful on-ball, ferocious and game-changing with his defensive efforts. Sharp routinely puts SA on his back to shift the momentum of games, and is pushing forward to hit the scoreboard regularly. His clearance work, pressure without the ball and leadership are all best in class.
Shades of: Matt Rowell
3. Zeke Uwland (Suns Academy) (2)
Suns Academy/Allies
MID/DEF, 178cm
Uwland's back stress fracture has officially ruled him out of the National Championships with a view to playing VFL in August. An extended period out of the game may only be a good thing for the Suns who have been anticipating a top-five bid for the dynamic small. Uwland's precise left leg and elite running ability has seen him dominate off halfback, but it's his midfield upside that sees him retain his spot in the top three.
Shades of: Errol Gulden
4. Dan Annable (Lions Academy) (3)
Lions Academy/Allies
MID, 183cm
National Championships: 1 game, 28 disposals, 5 tackles
Annable has been ultra-consistent for every team he's turned out for, including as captain of the AFL Academy. He's one of the pool's most clean midfielders below his knees and does all basics well. The ultimate professional, Annable boasts a very high floor as a midfielder bound for Brisbane at the next level.
Shades of: Noah Anderson
5. Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves (14)
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
FWD/MID, 186cm
National Championships: 1 game, 18 disposals, 4 goals
Hibbins-Hargreaves is elite overhead, a deadeye in front of goal, uses the ball beautifully around the ground and can create time and space for himself like few others. He's also become one of the most clutch prospects to progress through the junior pathways, kicking vital fourth quarter goals for club and state across 18 months including two classy finishes to put Vic Country ahead of WA in the fourth term. We're no closer to figuring out where Hibbins-Hargreaves will play his best football at the next level. That isn't a bad thing - he currently appears most comfortable at half forward or on a wing, but it hasn't stopped the Stingrays from exposing him to inside midfield time.
Shades of: Harry Sheezel
6. Cooper Duff-Tytler (4)
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
RUC, 200cm
National Championships: 1 game, 18 disposals, 21 hitouts
Duff-Tytler continues to flash tantalising upside with his ball skills and athleticism at 200cm. He led Vic Metro's ruck division valiantly against SA first up and the future is clear to see - the skill level below his knees and high speed processing with ball in hand is remarkable for a ruckman.
Shades of: Tim English
7. Josh Lindsay (5)
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
DEF/MID, 183cm
National Championships: 1 game, 28 disposals, 8 marks
Blessed with a laser left foot, Lindsay is at his best picking off passes through the corridor off halfback. He wants the ball in his hands and loves to take the game on with dash, making him a damaging weapon for club and state. Elite ball users are always in vogue, which could see Lindsay rise into the top five come year's end.
Shades of: Josh Daicos
8. Fred Rodriguez (11)
South Fremantle/Western Australia
MID, 184cm
National Championships: 2 games, 18 disposals, 1 goal
Rodriguez has competed strongly as WA's captain through two games, and his numbers bely the impact he has on games. Wonderfully adept off both feet and offering a burst of speed to exit congestion, Rodriguez hunts the football in the contest and transition with his most damaging traits coming as the designated kicker into forward 50. He picks out targets under duress and executes more often than not.
Shades of: Hugh McCluggage
9. Ollie Greeves (7)
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
MID, 191cm
National Championships: 1 game, 27 disposals, 1 goal
A hulking midfielder made for the clinches, Greeves is continually adding to his game and has progressed to be rated as one of the elite midfielders of the pool. He was Vic Metro's best in a dour performance against SA with a strong influence on the game. He's found a penchant for hitting the scoreboard from range and is steadily improving his defensive application.
Shades of: Tom Green
10. Aidan Schubert (new)
Central Districts/South Australia
FWD/RUCK, 198cm
National Championships: 3 games, 16.3 disposals, 2.7 goals
The biggest riser through the National Championships is undoubtedly Schubert. The SA tall has become the spearhead of a dynamic forward mix, and is proving to be the best contested mark in 2025. Schubert's hands are vice-like and he's showing it both deep forward, around the ground and in extended periods as a genuine ruckman. There's a lot of buzz in recruiting circles around the emergence of Schubert, who could end up the best key forward in the draft.
Shades of: Riley Thilthorpe
11. Sam Grlj (8 )
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
MID, 182cm
National Championships: 1 game, 18 disposals, 16 handballs
The speedy Grlj has caught the eye of recruiters but his National Championships will go a great deal to proving his worth in this draft. Grlj (pronounced Grill) is evasive and confident either snaking through traffic or hitting the afterburners in space. He's the quintessential line-breaker but found the conditions tough against SA and couldn't find the space to use his foot skills.
Shades of: Colby McKercher
12. Max King (Swans Academy) (9)
Swans Academy/Allies
FWD, 191cm
National Championships: 1 games, 10 disposals, 3 marks
The high-flying King hasn't had a standout performance yet, but the Allies have three games for him to make his statement. His game as a half forward doesn't bring in big numbers, but it's the impact King can have as an otherworldly athlete and goalkicker that has recruiters excited. He's set to land at the Swans in a haul that includes utility Noah Chamberlain, small defender Lachlan Carmichael and halfback Harry Kyle.
Shades of: Mitch Owens
13. Dylan Patterson (Suns Academy) (16)
Suns Academy/Allies
DEF, 183cm
National Championships: 1 games, 23 disposals, 6 marks
Patterson is a halfback that takes the game on with reckless abandon. He only knows one way and it's exhilarating to watch. Though quieter in the VFL recently, he's proved his ability to impact against mature bodies for the AFL Academy and has a strong athletic profile to back up his dare.
Shades of: Bailey Dale
14. Sam Cumming (15)
North Adelaide/South Australia
MID/FWD, 185cm
National Championships: 3 games, 17.3 disposals, 1 goal
Cumming has been high impact through the National Championships with his strength, power and endurance all features through the midfield and up forward. He's tough and aggressive in the clinches plus continually sets teammates up or hits the scoreboard himself. Cumming is a vital cog in SA's brilliant run and is flying under the radar with his AFL traits.
Shades of: Bailey Humphrey
15. Beau Addinsall (Suns Academy) (13)
Suns Academy/Allies
MID, 180cm
National Championships: 1 games, 16 disposals, 7 clearances
Addinsall has been a ball magnet through junior football in the Suns' pathways, and is now being exposed to VFL competition. There's deft touch and incisive ball use at the fore of his game through the midfield, but he's also shown the capacity to play further up the ground and impact as a half forward.
Shades of: Sam Flanders
16. Toby Whan (Fremantle NGA) (10)
South Fremantle/Western Australia
MID, 184cm
National Championships: 2 games, 18 disposals, 0.5 goals
Whan has the hallmarks of an excellent midfielder at the next level. He's clean in congestion and possesses the skill and power to impact with the ball in the forward half. There's also a defensive appetite to pressure and tackle that isn't present in all top midfielders. He's held his own through two champs games but hasn't had a statement moment.
Shades of: Jai Newcombe
17. Mitch Marsh (new)
West Adelaide/South Australia
FWD, 191cm
National Championships: 3 games, 8.7 disposals, 2.7 goals
Marsh's impressive ground coverage at his size has made him a difficult match-up all season, and he's an important piece of SA's forward-half dominance. Marsh finds a lot of scoring opportunities through his strength in packs and ability at ground level, though has failed to convert accurately at times.
Shades of: Patrick Voss
18. Archie Ludowyke (12)
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
FWD, 197cm
National Championships: 1 game, 6 disposals, 1 mark
The soaring Ludowyke was held well in trying conditions through Metro's first hitout but has three more opportunities to make it count on the big stage. The left-footer's excellent mobility and aerial prowess is evident, but for it to translate to the next level he needs to build strength.
Shades of: Eric Hipwood
19. Harley Barker (new)
Sturt/South Australia
MID, 187cm
National Championships: 3 games, 16 disposals, 1 goal
Barker has been special to watch this year off a wing for SA, taking the game on and consistently beating his opponent through work rate and dare. He boasts an electric side step and finds pockets of space to assess his options, plus has a penchant for getting forward to take big marks. Barker projects to become an excellent role player at the next level.
Shades of: Ollie Dempsey
20. Xavier Taylor
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
DEF, 191cm
National Championships: 1 game, 13 disposals, 4 marks
There isn't much more Taylor can do to impress as one of the pool's best defenders. While not at the height of most matchups, his reading of the game and closing speed has seen him beat opponents consistently, including Mitch Marsh against SA. Taylor's excellent intercept marking game is his key trait, but there's burgeoning growth as a genuine rebounding option off halfback too.
Shades of: Josh Weddle
In the mix:
Carlton father-son Harry Dean may be the best key defender in a shallow pool for talls, with his intercepting a highlight. The Pies will also have a keen eye on the performances of father-son Tom McGuane (17 last month) for Vic Metro.
Louis Emmett (20 last month) has the tool as a ruck-forward to break back into the top group and his Metro teammate Lachy Dovaston is the premier small forward of the crop. A host of SA prospects are shining, with Tigers father-son Louis Kellaway hitting top form and Cameron Nairn booting a sensational seven goals on the weekend.
Cody Curtin and Liam Hetherton are key position prospects clubs are tracking closely, Jacob Farrow may be WA's next best prospect and Essendon NGA on-baller Adam Sweid (19 last month) will get a lot of exposure through the midfield for Vic Metro this carnival after making his Essendon VFL debut.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/45520934/afl-draft-2025-june-power-rankings-national-championships-academy-linked-players
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I'm sure there's plenty of good mids.
If Reid isn't realistic just draft the best two mids with breakaway pace.
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Ranking the 15 Best non club-tied Prospects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTUFSH2xYE
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Concerns continue to grow over Victorian talent ahead of this November’s AFL Draft.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-concerns-grow-over-victorian-draft-talent-in-2025-under-18-boys-championship-victoria-metro-vic-country-midweek-tackle-reactions-latest-news/news-story/d15ec53983bf2a9b20f9717d088b4e47
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AFL Draft: 2025 prospect Power Rankings – July edition
By Jonty Ralphsmith
zerohanger.com
3 July 2025
30 – Toby Whan (-10)
The powerful lefty from Western Australia is a great size and has the perfect athletic profile for the modern game. He's given himself an unbelievable platform for the second half of the season with his brilliant WAFL Colts form, and while he hasn't had a complete game at National Championships level, he's had some moments which showcase his brilliant upside as a midfielder/high halfback.
29 - Hussien El Achkar (NEW)
The Essendon-tied prospect kicked six goals in Calder's most recent game, a long overdue big bag. About the only thing which has held him back so far has been poor conversion, with his craft, power and hard work continually putting himself in positions to impact the scoreboard as a small forward.
28 – Xavier Taylor (NEW)
The Ranges defender finally breaks into our power rankings. Has been nothing short of incredible for the Eastern Ranges this year. His speed, composure, clean skills at ground level, aggression in marking contests and willingness to back himself to take grabs rather than spoil are on show game after game. Had an enticing duel with Mitch Marsh in Vic Metro's first game and kept him to 1.3 with the pair splitting the honours as Marsh was well serviced by his midfielders but struggled to capitalise. At Talent League level, he's proven that, at 191cm, he can play taller and nullify key forwards, has the pace and athleticism to contain small forwards and has the offensive attributes to be a menace on counterattack as a rebounder. He is a versatile and complete defender.
27 – Tom Burton (-3)
Appointed Vic Metro co-captain, Burton has had a very bankable month at Coates League level, but like most of his teammates, would have liked a better start to his nationals campaign. That he was given some on-ball minutes, though, in that match was a big positive, given his burst speed and work rate lends itself well to playing in the midfield, but his athleticism and run and carry also lends itself well to a halfback role, which he's accustomed to.
26 – Harley Barker (NEW)
Much like teammate Matt Leray, Barker's discipline, running, scoring threat and footy IQ are other traits that make up his game. His pace and will to seek overlap possessions helped him burn direct opponents and set him apart. Like Leray, Barker is the modern day wing prototype, with the main question being how early a club will go on a specialist winger when top picks tend to be reserved for midfielders and talls.
25 – Matt Leray (NEW)
The South Australian winger was brilliant throughout the National Championships. Athletic, gets forward and back, can take a big grab and lots of South Australia's scores went through him. Also has a background in high performance, forced to choose between footy and cricket ahead of 2025, with that time in elite pathways giving clubs confidence about how he'll settle into life at the next level.
24 – Noah Chamberlain (-9)
The Sydney Swans Academy prospect has spent time on the wing for the Allies and has been solid. Has likeable traits and has shown his potency at times forward of centre in 2025, but it still feels like he has another level to reach. Regardless, he has traits which look like they'll transfer seamlessly to the next level.
23 – Mitch Marsh (NEW)
Led South Australia's goal kicking with 12 majors, dominating the two closer contests, with four goals to open his campaign and five to close it out. His aerial potency is his major strength, and he has a good athletic base and can get you at ground level. Feels a touch low, but at 191cm, he's a little bit of an in-between size if a club wants to select him as a forward option, but he has plenty of attributes that could translate to the next level.
22 – Tom McGuane (-3)
The Collingwood father-son prospect has had a solid month for Western Jets, continuing to show his blend of clean skills, ball-use and ability to cover the ground. If anything, it's been a slightly quieter month for the highly-rated Pies-tied prospect, but he's still shown plenty to give himself confidence for the rest of the National Championships.
21 – Harry Dean (NEW)
The Carlton father-son prospect makes his first appearance on this list as the best key defender in this draft pool. He's exactly the sort of player Carlton have been screaming for to assist Jacob Weitering in defence. Has size, speed, intercepting and sound distribution, with his aerial presence and confidence launching for the footy impressing for a Murray defence that has regularly been under duress this year. Has also shown those traits in his two Vic Country appearances.
20 – Liam Hetherton (-6)
Is currently sidelined with a long-term injury which leads to him falling down the rankings through absolutely no fault of his own. A well-liked character and spearhead forward who will be a bargain in November given his absence means he has been unable to show what he can do consistently this year. What he did before his injury, though, was compelling.
19 – Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves (+3)
Is positioned a little lower than where some have him, which is to some degree down to his inconsistency. An undoubted match winner whose skills remain sound when he's under fatigue, the forward/winger kicked four goals in a statement game to start the U18s National Championships. Is creative, dangerous around goals and courageous overhead. But intertwined within that performance have been some quieter outings.
18 – Cody Curtin (-5)
Cody Curtin's traits are undeniable: a contested marking forward/ruck who you can build a forward line around, and is also capable of being swung back. But he falls down the rankings a touch, having failed to really do any damage for Western Australia as yet this year. Gets the best defender each week and kicked three goals in the first game, which felt like a solid outing, before being starved of opportunity in game two and locked down in game three. His ability to give his team presence in the ruck, though, has been on show.
17 – Louis Emmett (-1)
Missed Vic Metro's first game and has spent much of his time recently in the APS competition for Scotch College, so hasn't been able to press his case at a higher level, but made a Coates League appearance on Saturday and was brilliant. Covers the ground well, has the blend of athleticism and aggression you want in big men as a forward/ruck. A goal from 50 on the weekend was a frightening glimpse into his potential.
16 – Dyson Sharp (-6)
What to make of his last month? Does he feel a bit low? Sharp is such a difficult prospect to assess. What he does well, he does better than just about anyone in the draft class and for that he deserves enormous respect. Wins the hard ball, is clean, dishes off well and few, if any, are as ready-made to immediately transfer their skillset to the top level. But modern day midfielders are increasingly athletic and multi-faceted faceted and the question marks over his kicking do linger.
15 – Lachy Dovaston (+6)
Has turned himself into the most bankable junior forward in the country. Bags of five and four highlighted a sterling month for the small forward, with his clean skills, crumbing and finishing ability making a nightmare matchup, particularly at forward 50 stoppages where he can get on the move and doesn't need much space. But the big improvement in his game this season has been his engagement in the game when he doesn't have the footy, averaging more than five tackles per game, which rounds out his skillset as a bona fide small forward. Will be in hot demand as the clear standout for his position in the open pool.
14 – Sam Cumming (+6)
It wasn't the enormous U18s National Championships by numbers or influence that perhaps he would have liked to have had, but he showed what he needed to. The AFL Academy member has the runs on the board as a midfielder and when he ran through there for South Australia, he looked damaging, clean and powerful, but more impressive was his presence forward of the footy. Compared to Isaac Heeney, he will likely start his career inside 50 and showed that he's a tricky matchup given his strength, marking and forward craft, which helped him average a goal per game.
13 – Beau Addinsall (+4)
A hamstring injury will rule him out of the rest of the U18s National Championships, which will greatly frustrate the hard-working Sun, but he already has a glittering CV. Covers the ground well, finds the footy, excellent in and under and uses it smartly. There is a view that he'll likely start his career off half-forward, but will do his best work in the middle as his career develops.
12 – Aidan Schubert (NEW)
The big riser of the month, Schubert showed something a little bit different in each of his four U18s National Championships games for South Australia. Four goals in game one looked a hard performance to top, but his capacity as a relieving ruck with contested marking, athleticism, work rate and field kicking were all on show in the remaining three games. Is now ensconced as one of the best talls to watch.
11- Fred Rodriguez (+1)
Western Australia's leading prospect has had two strong games and a quieter performance for the Black Swans so far. Hasn't had huge numbers, but has made the most of his possessions, bursting out the front of clearance on several occasions, and kicking some goals from long range. Western Australia's captain is becoming a consistent asset at all levels.
10 – Archie Ludowyke (+1)
The key forward doesn't know how to play a poor game. Was starved of opportunity in Vic Metro's opener but has otherwise kicked multiple goals in every game he's played at all levels – AFL Academy, Brighton Grammar, Sandringham Dragons – since Round 1. Has always been a goalkicker who can take big marks but has now built a big body of work to prove his brilliant ability to get up the ground and provide an option, and take big contested marks, with his athleticism also setting him apart in the key forward race.
9 – Sam Grlj (-1)
It's hard to get a gauge on Grlj's current form, given he's turned out for Yarra Valley Grammar in recent times in the AGSV competition, viewed as a tier below the APS standard. Got his hands on the ball in Vic Metro's opener but was part of an engine room that was soundly beaten. Clean, hard-running and with a chiselling kick at his best, the way he is viewed was underlined by his appointment as Vic Metro co-captain.
8- Max King (+1)
It was brilliant to see the Sydney Academy player kick the match-winner for the Allies on the weekend, having had plenty of almost moments in June, but being let down at times by his finishing polish. That was most evident in his VFL debut, when he kicked 1.4 in an otherwise clean performance. An athletic freak, King has mostly played as an ominous forward threat this year, but also has the skillset to be a menacing, energetic presence in the midfield.
7 – Zeke Uwland (-)
The Gold Coast Academy prospect has been sidelined with injury all season, but has plenty of credits in the bank as a powerful left-footed half forward. Will turn into a brilliant front-half x-factor for the Suns.
6 – Josh Lindsay (-1)
His two National Championships games for Vic Country have been very strong, using his damaging left foot to great effect. He is arguably the best kick in the draft class and sees the game well, which allows him to get into position early, and his acceleration and overlap are other elements that complement his skillset.
5 – Ollie Greeves (+1)
Always highly-regarded by Craft of the Draft, there has been a spike in recent times in how others view him. He's now seen by some as the best openly available midfielder in the crop, such has been his form at all levels he's played at. A powerful, big-bodied midfielder who runs and provides overlap with a bankable kick, he was one of the very few Vic Metro players to give a good account of himself in their opener.
4 – Dylan Patterson (-)
Rarely can a player be synopsised in one moment the way that Dylan Patterson can through his match-winning goal assist in the Allies' second game. Run, dare, creativity, a killer kick, game-changing. Gold Coast have got a good one in Patterson, who has been very good for the Allies so far, but would probably feel he has another step to go given his lethal traits and the standard he set himself in the AFL Academy games. The Suns Academy boy got a pair of VFL matches last month, averaging 10 touches.
3 – Willem Duursma (-)
Utilised behind the footy in Vic Country's two games so far, Duursma has shown his ability to read the play and rangy athleticism, reach and rebound, providing class to an outfit that has lost its first two games. Highlighting his match-winning capabilities, Duursma went forward for a quarter at Coates League level in between Vic Country's two matches and kicked a pair of goals to win his side the game. A flashy, athletic, skilled ball-winner who gets it done in offensive and defensive phases in the game, he's in Pick 1 conversations.
2 - Dan Annable (-)
The Brisbane Academy prospect keeps piecing strong performances together, leading the Allies midfield with great authority in their two matches so far. An inside bull with acceleration, marking ability and forward presence, he's also turned out in a pair of VFL matches for the Lions, averaging 19 disposals.
1 - Cooper Duff-Tytler (-)
The ruck/forward option who has drawn Luke Jackson comparisons has been viewed as the top prospect by Craft of the Draft all season. He's spent most of June playing AGSV football for PEGS, while starting the carnival solidly as Vic Metro's first-choice ruck in a heavy loss.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/wnba/afl-draft-2025-prospect-power-rankings-july-edition/ar-AA1HO1wX
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRlQQ9fqmrM
Note: Assumes West Coast will get pick 2 as compo for Oscar Allen.
1. WCE - Duff-Tyler
2. GC - Uwland .................................. matching West Coast's bid
3. WCE - Lindsay
4. Rich - Willem Duursma (191 utility)
5. GC - Patterson ............................... matching Richmond's bid.
6. Rich - Sam Grlj (182cm mid) ........... We have Norf's first pick.
7. Bris - Annable ................................ matching St Kilda's bid.
8. St K - Greeves
9. Ess - Cumming ............................... Essendon have Melbourne's first pick.
10. Syd - Max King ............................. matching Essendon's bid.
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I’ve not been all that impressed by Duursma.
Was keen on Grlj but hasn’t played well for a while.
Very lacklustre
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SwREeRDsAg
1. WCE - Cooper Duff-Tyler
2. WCE - Dyson Sharp .......... ( compo pick for Oscar Allen )
3. GC - Zeke Uwland ................( matched bid )
4. Rich - Josh Lindsay
5. Rich - Will Duursma ............. ( Norf's pick we hold )
6. Bris - Daniel Annable .............. ( matched bid )
7. GC - Dylan Patterson ............. ( matched bid )
8. Syd - Max King ........................ ( matched bid )
9. StK - Mitchell Marsh
10. Ess - Harley Barker ................... ( Melb's pick held by the Bombers )
11. Ess - Oliver Greeves
12. Haw - Aidan Schubert ................. ( Carlton's pick held by the Hawks )
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1. WCE - Cooper Duff-Tyler
2. WCE - Dyson Sharp .......... ( compo pick for Oscar Allen )
3. GC - Zeke Uwland ................( matched bid )
4.WCE- Josh Lindsay (Richmond pick for Reid)
5.WCE- Will Duursma ............. ( Richmond pick for Reid)
6. Bris - Daniel Annable .............. ( matched bid )
7. GC - Dylan Patterson ............. ( matched bid )
8. Syd - Max King ........................ ( matched bid )
9. StK - Mitchell Marsh
10. Ess - Harley Barker ................... ( Melb's pick held by the Bombers )
11. Ess - Oliver Greeves
12. Haw - Aidan Schubert ................. ( Carlton's pick held by the Hawks )
Fixed. :shh
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If we cant get Reid, Lindsay doesn't look like a bad choice at our first pick.
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are these duursmas boys any good. I mean has one of them actually been any good
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are these duursmas boys any good. I mean has one of them actually been any good
This one is supposed to be the best of the lot - which ain't sayin' much. Looks to be a pretty poor field kick, which is the last thing we need. :shh
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Twomey's 7 who are vying to be pick 1.
Cooper Duff-Tyler
Dyson Sharp
Zeke Uwland (Gold Coast)
Daniel Annable (Brisbane)
Dylan Patterson (Gold Coast)
Josh Lindsay
Will Duursma
Next rung:
Aidan Schubert
Oliver Greeves
Mitchell Marsh
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1360466/gettable-the-rule-afl-must-change-inside-bombers-call-the-seven-players-in-no1-mix?videoId=1360466&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1752018397001
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West Coast No.1 pick locked and loaded with six rounds left. The AFL has never needed a draft lottery more than it does now.
Suggestion would only be for 3-4 teams. Not like the NBA where this year the 11th worst record got the No.1 pick.
West Coast is clearly the worst team in it this year and have had rotten luck… so zero suggestion they’re tanking.
But the current system gives no incentive to win
https://x.com/cleary_mitch/status/1944324077881360622
IF free agents leave… is the draft currently looking like this…
1 WCE
2 WCE
3 Rich
4 Rich
5 ESS
6 ESS
7 ESS !?!
Imagine that
https://x.com/JoshJenkins24/status/1944343973302333915
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A 1st round FA compo for Sam bloody Draper would be a travesty
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It may just happen. Remembers these Scott boys are in bed with the afl.
Hopefully that win over the weekend doesn't cost us 3 spots.
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A top 5 pick for Allen would also be a joke
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIpYVALWhM
Taking the next two selections, as Richmond also holds North Melbourne's first-round pick, Ralphsmith selected Calder Cannons ruckman Cooper Duff-Tytler for the Tigers' opening selection.
The move for Duff-Tytler comes with a caveat, but one that works in favour of Richmond as they continue their rebuild.
"I wouldn't select a ruck if it was your only selection, as a general rule of thumb, in the top 10. I just think the importance and significance of that role doesn't warrant it," Ralphsmith said of his first selection in the mock draft.
"But given Richmond do have two selections, and they overlooked a ruck (last year), they do need someone to succeed Toby Nankervis in the coming years.
"Cooper Duff-Tytler is that perfect sort of player that can also impact forward, is aggressive and is also really athletic as well."
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/nfl/afl-mock-draft-how-the-first-10-picks-could-unfold-for-this-year-s-count/ar-AA1IKvpL
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I hope the eagles take Duff-Tyler, if not we will Defs end up with him.
Nothing against the kid, he may actually be the most talented player in the draft for all I know, I’m just a firm believer in you don’t use top end picks on rucks.
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I hope the eagles take Duff-Tyler, if not we will Defs end up with him.
Nothing against the kid, he may actually be the most talented player in the draft for all I know, I’m just a firm believer in you don’t use top end picks on rucks.
Yep absolutely don't want one with a first rounder.
We should use other draft options to find a slightly more mature ruck. PSD, rookie etc.
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Prospects leading No.1 race — State of Play
Ben Waterworth and Dylan Bolch
Fox Sports
July 18th, 2025
Like last year, there’s no clear consensus on who the top player in the 2025 draft class is. Richmond took Sam Lalor with Pick 1 in 2024, Carlton traded up the draft order as it had Jagga Smith (Pick 3) as the top player on its draft board and Lions father-son selection Levi Ashcroft (Pick 5) was the top of several media power rankings.
For some recruiters spoken to by foxfooty.com.au, Calder Cannons’ ruck-forward Cooper Duff-Tytler is the best prospect in it. A potential AFL unicorn at 200cm, Duff-Tytler has impressed draft watchers with his unique athleticism, aerial ability and cleanliness with ball in hand, especially below his knees. He hasn’t necessarily had a ‘wow game’ during the national carnival, but he’s been impressively consistent – like he has been across all levels this year to date.
South Australia captain Dyson Sharp also proved his doubters wrong, leading his state to a drought-breaking title and winning the SA MVP award. And he’s a strong chance to take out the Larke Medal – which will be confirmed after Sunday’s Country-Metro game – as the best player across the carnival, kicking five goals and averaging 27.0 disposals, 11.3 contested possessions, 7.5 score involvements, 6.5 inside 50s, 6.0 clearances and 5.0 tackles from four games.
A bankable, ready-to-play midfielder with strong leadership traits, Sharp for months had been regarded among the top-10 players in this year’s draft class. Yet many scouts were hesitant to put him too high on draft boards, citing other players in the pool could have a higher ceiling at AFL level.
But Sharp couldn’t have been more impressive across his four games for SA – especially his middle two matches against Vic Metro and WA – with scouts impressed by his leadership and improved outside game. He now has to be in the top-five conversation, especially if he carries his form into Central District’s SANFL league team.
Eastern Ranges big-bodied 191cm midfielder Ollie Greeves would be a strong chance to take out Vic Metro’s MVP award, averaging 25.7 disposals, 12.0 contested possessions and 4.7 clearances from three games. Greeves has been a standout at the coalface in all three matches, showing off clean hands in congestion. Clubs like his footy smarts, kicking skills and toughness at the contest.
Like Greeves, Geelong Falcons defender Josh Lindsay looms as a top-10 pick, showing off terrific composure and pinpoint ball use out of the back-half. He’s averaged a team-high 24.3 disposals, 4.7 intercepts, 4.0 marks and 467m gained in a consistent campaign for Vic Country.
And Fred Rodriguez – a tough, bankable and team-oriented midfielder with a great workrate out of South Fremantle – had a strong carnival, showing off an improved inside game to compliment his outside traits. Rodriguez took out WA’s MVP award, averaging 18.0 disposals, 4.5 tackles and 4.3 clearances across the four games. Whether he’s still WA’s top prospect, however, remains a point of contention among AFL clubs.
THE CHAMPS ‘BOLTERS’
For some, Sam Cumming was already in the top-10 conversation prior to the champs. Four games later and he’s only strengthened that status, kicking four goals and averaging 17.0 disposals.
After dominant displays at SANFL Under 18s level, recruiters were pleased Cumming stepped up on the national stage, with one talent-watcher labelling him “the prototype AFL midfielder”. Even better, Cumming has made a splash for North Adelaide’s league team since the champs, racking up 16 disposals against Sturt before a brilliant display against South Adelaide last weekend, booting 3.1 from 21 disposals, six inside 50s, five clearances, five tackles and five marks.
THE LINGERING QUESTIONS
The versatile Willem Duursma remains a strong top-end prospect with big upside at AFL level. But whether he’s at the pointy, top-five end of the class type remains a point of contention among recruiters.
At 192cm, the silky Duursma has an elite kick, great lateral movement and the flexibility to play in multiple positions on the field. His ability to explode from congestion after receiving handballs has been likened to Giants star Finn Callaghan.
Duursma – the youngest of the four Duursma’s – started the champs as a midfielder against WA (27 disposals, 11 contested possessions, 4 clearances, 3 contested marks) before settling in defence for his most recent two games against SA (24 disposals, 5 intercepts) and the Allies (19 disposals, 5 intercepts). While he’s been prolific in all games, some recruiters spoken to by foxfooty.com.au noted some inconsistency with his kicking and had some question marks around his defensive work.
Other scouts, however, noted that while it’s been good to see Duursma spend time in all thirds of the ground this year, the positional shifts throughout the year might’ve hindered his draft campaign momentum. Most of Duursma’s best performances this year have come for the Gippsland Power playing as an on-baller pushing forward to hit the scoreboard.
Read more here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2025-best-players-and-predicted-firstround-picks-top-prospects-after-national-championships-results-state-of-play-willem-duursma-essendon/news-story/4ce6f731d05b30c17930535e0775562f
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Post U18s championships Top 20 for the 2025 AFL Draft from the talent scout for the Oakleigh Chargers.
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https://x.com/EdPascoe_Draft
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Post U18s championships Top 20 for the 2025 AFL Draft from the talent scout for the Oakleigh Chargers.
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https://x.com/EdPascoe_Draft
Assuming WCE get a band 1 compo for Oscar Allen, and all the other academy rorts are taken, we are probably looking at those Lindsay and Cumming boys.
Lindsay sounds like a running HBF - do we want one of those when we have the likes of Banks, Short, Trezise, Trainor etc?
Cumming appears to be a real goal kicking mid. Yes please.
I'd take Sharp too. I think he sounds good.
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
Rumour mill has him extending at the eagles. Certainly playing like he’s more invested in the second half of the year.
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
What would it take Dio and what would you be prepared to pay?
If they want picks I'd be offering P2+3 and F1.
Sounds like a lot but it's not.
2+3 will end up 6+7 at least with bids and compo.
F1 is compromised and could be anything from 2-5 or worse with Tas coming in anyway.
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
What would it take Dio and what would you be prepared to pay?
If they want picks I'd be offering P2+3 and F1.
Sounds like a lot but it's not.
2+3 will end up 6+7 at least with bids and compo.
F1 is compromised and could be anything from 2-5 or worse with Tas coming in anyway.
Get outta here, 3 first round picks that are all top 10 if not top 5. That is a ridiculous ask and there’s no way we should be doing that.
Our 2 first rounders this year with a 3rd rounder coming back for kellaway should be the max we offer.
Then we go into his contract demands. If it’s in the ball park of 1.5-2mil then we should stay far away from that.
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
What would it take Dio and what would you be prepared to pay?
If they want picks I'd be offering P2+3 and F1.
Sounds like a lot but it's not.
2+3 will end up 6+7 at least with bids and compo.
F1 is compromised and could be anything from 2-5 or worse with Tas coming in anyway.
Get outta here, 3 first round picks that are all top 10 if not top 5. That is a ridiculous ask and there’s no way we should be doing that.
Our 2 first rounders this year with a 3rd rounder coming back for kellaway should be the max we offer.
Then we go into his contract demands. If it’s in the ball park of 1.5-2mil then we should stay far away from that.
This draft is reportedly nowhere near as good, 2026 will be compromised by Tas.
But agreed on the contract price it's a big put off and smells like the kid is all about himself not about winning a flag.
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Did I not read somewhere that Yze said we are not in the hunt for Reid?
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Did I not read somewhere that Yze said we are not in the hunt for Reid?
What's he supposed to say mid-season?
'Yeah we're gonna try to pull off a JHF pretty much.'
Of course not. Subtle as it should be :)
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
What would it take Dio and what would you be prepared to pay?
If they want picks I'd be offering P2+3 and F1.
Sounds like a lot but it's not.
2+3 will end up 6+7 at least with bids and compo.
F1 is compromised and could be anything from 2-5 or worse with Tas coming in anyway.
Get outta here, 3 first round picks that are all top 10 if not top 5. That is a ridiculous ask and there’s no way we should be doing that.
Our 2 first rounders this year with a 3rd rounder coming back for kellaway should be the max we offer.
Then we go into his contract demands. If it’s in the ball park of 1.5-2mil then we should stay far away from that.
This draft is reportedly nowhere near as good, 2026 will be compromised by Tas.
But agreed on the contract price it's a big put off and smells like the kid is all about himself not about winning a flag.
Doesn’t really matter. Every year there’s a “this is a super draft” or “this draft is weak” claim but reality is no1 really knows until years later. To give up 3 top 5/10 draft picks for 1 player who while hugely hugely talented hasn’t proven diddly would be way over the top. It would be the biggest draft haul any club has received for a single player in history for a kid who has played 2 seasons.
With where we are list wise, 3 players is better than 1 even if that 1 player is the best of the lot.
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
What would it take Dio and what would you be prepared to pay?
If they want picks I'd be offering P2+3 and F1.
Sounds like a lot but it's not.
2+3 will end up 6+7 at least with bids and compo.
F1 is compromised and could be anything from 2-5 or worse with Tas coming in anyway.
Get outta here, 3 first round picks that are all top 10 if not top 5. That is a ridiculous ask and there’s no way we should be doing that.
Our 2 first rounders this year with a 3rd rounder coming back for kellaway should be the max we offer.
Then we go into his contract demands. If it’s in the ball park of 1.5-2mil then we should stay far away from that.
This draft is reportedly nowhere near as good, 2026 will be compromised by Tas.
But agreed on the contract price it's a big put off and smells like the kid is all about himself not about winning a flag.
Doesn’t really matter. Every year there’s a “this is a super draft” or “this draft is weak” claim but reality is no1 really knows until years later. To give up 3 top 5/10 draft picks for 1 player who while hugely hugely talented hasn’t proven diddly would be way over the top. It would be the biggest draft haul any club has received for a single player in history for a kid who has played 2 seasons.
With where we are list wise, 3 players is better than 1 even if that 1 player is the best of the lot.
Agree 100 pc
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Disagree
It’s pretty clear most years what the top end talent is like.
Obviously there is outliers in every draft. Hits and misses.
How is the first round in 2021 looking compared to 2020 and 2022
2021 was considered a super draft up the top and it’s hard to disagree.
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I'm.sure there's great players I'm every draft, and flops too.
But Reid is very clearly going to be a top tier/generational mid.
I don't think they come around every draft. Very good ones yes. Not as good as he's going to be.
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We’re not talking 1 for 1 though Andy. In your proposal, it’s a 3 for 1 deal which would be unprecedented and for a good reason.
So you’d be banking on 2 or 3 players drafted with top 5/10 picks across 2 drafts to end up as avg to dud players to win the trade.
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We’re not talking 1 for 1 though Andy. In your proposal, it’s a 3 for 1 deal which would be unprecedented and for a good reason.
So you’d be banking on 2 or 3 players drafted with top 5/10 picks across 2 drafts to end up as avg to dud players to win the trade.
You're gambling on 1 star in the making vs 3 gambles.
I'm happy to go to the draft.
But if we were to go after Reid I'd be happy with that too.
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We’re not talking 1 for 1 though Andy. In your proposal, it’s a 3 for 1 deal which would be unprecedented and for a good reason.
So you’d be banking on 2 or 3 players drafted with top 5/10 picks across 2 drafts to end up as avg to dud players to win the trade.
You're gambling on 1 star in the making vs 3 gambles.
I'm happy to go to the draft.
But if we were to go after Reid I'd be happy with that too.
Reid isn't a gamble. He got 20 in the first half with no help v nank. Taranto. Prestia. Hopper.
The only issue is injury or if he loses it mentally but that's possible for anyone.
19 years old.
As you say they are both good options but you can only put 18 on the park
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We’re not talking 1 for 1 though Andy. In your proposal, it’s a 3 for 1 deal which would be unprecedented and for a good reason.
So you’d be banking on 2 or 3 players drafted with top 5/10 picks across 2 drafts to end up as avg to dud players to win the trade.
You're gambling on 1 star in the making vs 3 gambles.
I'm happy to go to the draft.
But if we were to go after Reid I'd be happy with that too.
Reid isn't a gamble. He got 20 in the first half with no help v nank. Taranto. Prestia. Hopper.
The only issue is injury or if he loses it mentally but that's possible for anyone.
19 years old.
As you say they are both good options but you can only put 18 on the park
Exactly my point. He's a sure thing imo.
The draft picks are a gamble.
We look like we've done great last year but we've still had a lot of fails in the past.
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I'm in the go to the draft camp.
He has talent no doubt but asking for the touted money at 20 with very little to back it up doesn't sit right with me.
I'll take Tytler & Duursma/Sharp
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We’re not talking 1 for 1 though Andy. In your proposal, it’s a 3 for 1 deal which would be unprecedented and for a good reason.
So you’d be banking on 2 or 3 players drafted with top 5/10 picks across 2 drafts to end up as avg to dud players to win the trade.
You're gambling on 1 star in the making vs 3 gambles.
I'm happy to go to the draft.
But if we were to go after Reid I'd be happy with that too.
Reid isn't a gamble. He got 20 in the first half with no help v nank. Taranto. Prestia. Hopper.
The only issue is injury or if he loses it mentally but that's possible for anyone.
19 years old.
As you say they are both good options but you can only put 18 on the park
Exactly my point. He's a sure thing imo.
The draft picks are a gamble.
We look like we've done great last year but we've still had a lot of fails in the past.
Let’s agree to disagree on the actual trade aspect of it. But, and I’m just going off the widely reported figures, a 10 yearish deal at 1.5-2.0mil per is a massive massive risk.
Atleast those 2-3 players we draft instead of him would be on like one third of what Harley would be making combined.
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I'm in the go to the draft camp.
He has talent no doubt but asking for the touted money at 20 with very little to back it up doesn't sit right with me.
I'll take Tytler & Duursma/Sharp
Hard to see CDT getting past wce 1 and 2
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"[Harley Reid] and his family have made it clear they do not want to go to a struggling club."
❌ St Kilda
❌ Melbourne
❌ Essendon
❌ North Melbourne
🗣️ Caroline Wilson on Harley Reid's future
https://x.com/7AFL/status/1947255970842783808
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We’re not talking 1 for 1 though Andy. In your proposal, it’s a 3 for 1 deal which would be unprecedented and for a good reason.
So you’d be banking on 2 or 3 players drafted with top 5/10 picks across 2 drafts to end up as avg to dud players to win the trade.
You're gambling on 1 star in the making vs 3 gambles.
I'm happy to go to the draft.
But if we were to go after Reid I'd be happy with that too.
Reid isn't a gamble. He got 20 in the first half with no help v nank. Taranto. Prestia. Hopper.
The only issue is injury or if he loses it mentally but that's possible for anyone.
19 years old.
As you say they are both good options but you can only put 18 on the park
Exactly my point. He's a sure thing imo.
The draft picks are a gamble.
We look like we've done great last year but we've still had a lot of fails in the past.
Let’s agree to disagree on the actual trade aspect of it. But, and I’m just going off the widely reported figures, a 10 yearish deal at 1.5-2.0mil per is a massive massive risk.
Atleast those 2-3 players we draft instead of him would be on like one third of what Harley would be making combined.
Yeah the price is the big turn off for me.
Otherwise the attitude about it all reminds me a lot of JHF. Entitled.
But gee he can play.
And in 10 years that 1.5m/year might not be the huge contract it feels like today. It could be front loaded too while we're so junior.
But I appreciate the risk you're talking about.
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Twomey Phantom:
1. Uwalnd (*GCS)
2. CDT [Wce]
3. Duursma [Wce]
4. Pattison (*GCS)
5. Annable (*Lions)
6. Sharp (Richmond)
7. Lindsey (Richmond)
8. Marsh
9. Schubert
10. Dean [*Carlton]
11. Greeves
12. Grij
13. Cumming
14. King
15. Taylor
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I think we go for for speed and spread before a player like Sharp
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I think we go for for speed and spread before a player like Sharp
Sharp would be good for mine.
Need to replace taranto/hopper/prestia sooner rather than later and allows lalor to go forward
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I think we go for for speed and spread before a player like Sharp
Sharp would be good for mine.
Need to replace taranto/hopper/prestia sooner rather than later and allows lalor to go forward
In an ideal world, Smillie and Lalor are both majority midfielders whilst rotating in the fwd line. Also have kmac2.
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I think we go for for speed and spread before a player like Sharp
Sharp would be good for mine.
Need to replace taranto/hopper/prestia sooner rather than later and allows lalor to go forward
In an ideal world, Smillie and Lalor are both majority midfielders whilst rotating in the fwd line. Also have kmac2.
Ideally yeah but it'd be handy having sharp who was touted as the best player in the country for a long time. In his age group.
Also not many names jumping out as better options if he is overlooked by Richmond.
Wce have been linked to sharp a bit too so might not have the option.
McAuliffe looks good but a long way to go before he can be penciled in as a starting midfielder in a grand final calibre player
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None would've gone top 20 in last year's draft. Get Reid. :shh
What would it take Dio and what would you be prepared to pay?
If they want picks I'd be offering P2+3 and F1.
Sounds like a lot but it's not.
2+3 will end up 6+7 at least with bids and compo.
F1 is compromised and could be anything from 2-5 or worse with Tas coming in anyway.
Offer whatever is required , there won't be a better or even remotely good as player in this year's draft(we'll still get Kellaway) - and he is easily worth two of them- or next year's draft ( Cochrane might come closer than anyone but he's a tall utility, from SA & we'd likely have to finish last to get him - the other one is Walker who won't be available to us) - we can still trade back into next year if need be -won't be a top 5 pick but it'ssupposedly a lot stronger draft - we'll also have access to Armstrong & a few potential father-sons - (Leys, Daffy, possibly Knights) :shh
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I think we go for for speed and spread before a player like Sharp
That’s my worry too.
Sharp seems like the best midfielder in it, but both he and Smillie seem very similar in being pure mids and not the type you can rotate forward. I’m not fully across either but it seems that both are “average” in the speed department. Similar to the current dynamic of TT and Hopper. While both good/v.good players and having good/v.good seasons, our midfield does get overrun frequently.
Just not sure if the balance would be right but if he’s so far ahead of the other options then you just take him and hope to make it work.
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I think we go for for speed and spread before a player like Sharp
That’s my worry too.
Sharp seems like the best midfielder in it, but both he and Smillie seem very similar in being pure mids and not the type you can rotate forward. I’m not fully across either but it seems that both are “average” in the speed department. Similar to the current dynamic of TT and Hopper. While both good/v.good players and having good/v.good seasons, our midfield does get overrun frequently.
Just not sure if the balance would be right but if he’s so far ahead of the other options then you just take him and hope to make it work.
Too early in the rebuild to be overlooking best available
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I think we go for for speed and spread before a player like Sharp
That’s my worry too.
Sharp seems like the best midfielder in it, but both he and Smillie seem very similar in being pure mids and not the type you can rotate forward. I’m not fully across either but it seems that both are “average” in the speed department. Similar to the current dynamic of TT and Hopper. While both good/v.good players and having good/v.good seasons, our midfield does get overrun frequently.
Just not sure if the balance would be right but if he’s so far ahead of the other options then you just take him and hope to make it work.
Too early in the rebuild to be overlooking best available
Yeah. I agree.
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Drafting more players like Sharp puts us on the road to a one paced midfield like Melbourne except we don't have a Max Gawn to feed them and are highly unlikely to find one. :shh
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Melbournes mids won a flag.
More chance of Richmond doing it with sharpe than dow. Sonsie etc.
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They don't win that flag or even go close without Gawn - where's the next Gawn? They don't fall from trees. Even with Gawn they've struggled since then because the game's changed and teams like Bears. the Filth, Dawks & GWS just run them off their feet. :shh
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They don't win that flag or even go close without Gawn - where's the next Gawn? They don't fall from trees. Even with Gawn they've struggled since then because the game's changed and teams like Bears. the Filth, Dawks & GWS just run them off their feet. :shh
So what's your solution apart from coping on Harley Reid?
Reaching for a guy ranked 15th cause he is fast?
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What if we went hard for Wanganeen Milera instead of Reid, maybe he can't get back to SA for whatever reason
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What if we went hard for Wanganeen Milera instead of Reid, maybe he can't get back to SA for whatever reason
Reid or NWA would be ideal but seems like more chance of pigs flying
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Sharp and Kellyaway had a nice combination going for SA linked up really well.
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Top 30 AFL draft rankings revealed
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
July 23rd, 2025
1. ZEKE UWLAND (GC Academy)
2. DANIEL ANNABLE (Bris Academy)
3. WILLEM DUURSMA
4. DYLAN PATTERSON (GC Academy)
5. COOPER DUFF-TYTLER
6. DYSON SHARP
7. HARRY DEAN (Carlton F/S)
8. JOSH LINDSAY
9. SAM CUMMING
10. OLLIE GREEVES
11. MITCH MARSH
12. AIDAN SCHUBERT
13. MAX KING (Sydney Academy)
14. JACOB FARROW
15. ARCHIE LUDOWYKE
16. LACHY DOVASTON
17. HARLEY BARKER
18. ADAM SWEID (Ess NGA)
19. SAM SWADLING
20. XAVIER TAYLOR
21. LACHLAN CARMICHAEL (Sydney Academy)
22. FRED RODRIGUEZ
23. SAM GRLJ
24. MATT LeRAY
25. RILEY ONLEY
26. HUSSEIN EL ACHKAR (Ess NGA)
27. ZAC McCARTHY (Coll NGA)
28. BEAU ADDINSALL (GC Academy)
29. KOBY COULSON (GC Academy)
30. LOUIS EMMETT
Read full profiles here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2025-power-rankings-top-30-afl-draft-2025-july-rankings-top-prospects-latest-under-18-news-updates/news-story/faa16e3c0527314dead5d09a62492019
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Top 30 AFL draft rankings revealed
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
July 23rd, 2025
1. ZEKE UWLAND (GC Academy)
2. DANIEL ANNABLE (Bris Academy)
3. WILLEM DUURSMA
4. DYLAN PATTERSON (GC Academy)
5. COOPER DUFF-TYTLER
6. DYSON SHARP
7. HARRY DEAN (Carlton F/S)
8. JOSH LINDSAY
9. SAM CUMMING
10. OLLIE GREEVES
11. MITCH MARSH
12. AIDAN SCHUBERT
13. MAX KING (Sydney Academy)
14. JACOB FARROW
15. ARCHIE LUDOWYKE
16. LACHY DOVASTON
17. HARLEY BARKER
18. ADAM SWEID (Ess NGA)
19. SAM SWADLING
20. XAVIER TAYLOR
21. LACHLAN CARMICHAEL (Sydney Academy)
22. FRED RODRIGUEZ
23. SAM GRLJ
24. MATT LeRAY
25. RILEY ONLEY
26. HUSSEIN EL ACHKAR (Ess NGA)
27. ZAC McCARTHY (Coll NGA)
28. BEAU ADDINSALL (GC Academy)
29. KOBY COULSON (GC Academy)
30. LOUIS EMMETT
Read full profiles here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2025-power-rankings-top-30-afl-draft-2025-july-rankings-top-prospects-latest-under-18-news-updates/news-story/faa16e3c0527314dead5d09a62492019
I was going to say, maybe cumming is the one they reach for
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Top 30 AFL draft rankings revealed
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
July 23rd, 2025
1. ZEKE UWLAND (GC Academy)
2. DANIEL ANNABLE (Bris Academy)
3. WILLEM DUURSMA
4. DYLAN PATTERSON (GC Academy)
5. COOPER DUFF-TYTLER
6. DYSON SHARP
7. HARRY DEAN (Carlton F/S)
8. JOSH LINDSAY
9. SAM CUMMING
10. OLLIE GREEVES
11. MITCH MARSH
12. AIDAN SCHUBERT
13. MAX KING (Sydney Academy)
14. JACOB FARROW
15. ARCHIE LUDOWYKE
16. LACHY DOVASTON
17. HARLEY BARKER
18. ADAM SWEID (Ess NGA)
19. SAM SWADLING
20. XAVIER TAYLOR
21. LACHLAN CARMICHAEL (Sydney Academy)
22. FRED RODRIGUEZ
23. SAM GRLJ
24. MATT LeRAY
25. RILEY ONLEY
26. HUSSEIN EL ACHKAR (Ess NGA)
27. ZAC McCARTHY (Coll NGA)
28. BEAU ADDINSALL (GC Academy)
29. KOBY COULSON (GC Academy)
30. LOUIS EMMETT
Read full profiles here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2025-power-rankings-top-30-afl-draft-2025-july-rankings-top-prospects-latest-under-18-news-updates/news-story/faa16e3c0527314dead5d09a62492019
.furthermore. Hopefully Emmett doesn't get to the north pick
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I'm keen on Lindsay.
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Twomey Phantom:
1. Uwalnd (*GCS)
2. CDT [Wce]
3. Duursma [Wce]
4. Pattison (*GCS)
5. Annable (*Lions)
6. Sharp (Richmond)
7. Lindsey (Richmond)
8. Marsh
9. Schubert
10. Dean [*Carlton]
11. Greeves
12. Grij
13. Cumming
14. King (edit - Sydney )
15. Taylor
As above. King is apparently Sydney academy.
So that's 5 of top 15
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To be honest, this draft looks so underwhelming it’s not funny. It’s Lindsey and Duff for mine otherwise do we look into trading our second pick to get another first rounder in next years draft?
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Wce lose pick2 if they take Starcevich FA?
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Wce lose pick2 if they take Starcevich FA?
Yeah you’d imagine their Allen compo would slide to Atleast the 2nd round. All depends on contract terms and the AFLs secret herbs and spices formula.
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Jon Ralph's mock draft on twitter/X:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gwrz1nzbgAQ0sq1?format=jpg&name=large)
https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1948637897919180910
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Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' July ranking
Remember, this is a ranking of the best prospects and does not take into account where bids on father-son or Academy players will come or where the players will necessarily get selected.
1. Zeke Uwland 24/04/2007 180cm Midfielder Gold Coast Academy/Allies
2. Cooper Duff-Tytler 22/08/2007 200cm Ruck Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
3. Willem Duursma 21/06/2007 191cm Utility Gippsland Power/Vic Country
4. Dylan Patterson 01/09/2007 183cm Midfielder/Defender Gold Coast Academy/Allies
5. Daniel Annable 05/04/2007 183cm Midfielder Brisbane Academy/Allies
6. Dyson Sharp 23/05/2007 187cm Midfielder Central District/South Australia
7. Josh Lindsay 07/04/2007 183cm Defender/Midfielder Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
8. Mitch Marsh 15/02/2007 191cm Forward West Adelaide/South Australia
9. Aidan Schubert 21/12/2007 197cm Key Forward Central District/South Australia
10. Harry Dean 13/11/2007 193cm Tall defender Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
11. Oliver Greeves 07/02/2007 191cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
12. Sam Grlj 26/07/2007 182cm Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
13. Sam Cumming 27/07/2007 186cm Midfielder North Adelaide/South Australia
14. Max King 09/01/2007 192cm Key Forward Sydney Academy/Allies
15. Xavier Taylor 30/01/2007 191cm Defender Eastern Rangers/Vic Metro
16. Archie Ludowyke 19/11/2007 197cm Key Forward Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
17. Jevan Phillipou 30/03/2007 183cm Midfielder/Forward Woodville-West Torrens/SA
18. Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves 16/11/2007 186cm Forward/Midfielder Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
19. Louis Emmett 23/03/2007 199cm Ruck Oakleigh Chargers/VicMetro
20. Zac McCarthy 27/10/2007 198cm Ruck/Forward Oakleigh Chargers/VicMetro
21. Jacob Farrow 21/09/2007 188cm Midfielder West Perth/Western Australia
22. Adam Sweid 14/09/2007 175cm Midfielder/Forward Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
23. Beau Addinsall 09/03/2007 181cm Midfielder Gold Coast Academy/Allies
24. Lachy Dovaston 29/05/2007 177cm Small forward Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
25. Riley Onley 30/03/2007 194cm Midfielder Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
Full profiles here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1371243/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-july-ranking
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v4tDHrYYCKI/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4tDHrYYCKI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4tDHrYYCKI
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Richmond’s potential plans for the 2025 National Draft
Hayden Farquhar
Zerohanger.com
July 26, 2025
Should the Tigers split their top two picks? That is the question on many minds ahead of the AFL's 2025 National Draft as Richmond's current crop of talent continues to develop strongly this season.
Richmond hold just two picks for the National Draft - currently picks 2 and 3 - which presents them with an opportunity to add more young top-end talent.
However, they could also look to add father-son prospect Louis Kellaway, and would be required to trade down in the draft to acquire him with a later selection.
Splitting the picks for a pair of later selections could allow Richmond to better fill some of their more immediate list needs too.
According to Craft of the Draft analyst Mitch Keating, the list management at Tigerland will need to make some big calls on draft night to get the most out of this year's talent pool.
"The Tigers are in an awkward position where they don't have a pick late enough and their selections are too early, so trading into the middle of the draft is difficult," Keating said.
"It's going to be a game for them to work out this draft even though they've got two top picks."
Despite the looming challenge, Keating highlighted it would be important for the Tigers to get Louis Kellaway through the door.
"Son of Duncan Kellaway, he's been one of South Australia's best performers for 2025," Keating said.
"He performs at any level he plays at. He's a good ball user, has composure and toughness."
Craft of the Draft analyst Jonty Ralphsmith believes there are some glaring areas that need to be taken care of for the Tigers in this draft.
"The Tigers need a small forward and they need some outside run," Ralphsmith said.
"They've got Jacob Hopper, Tim Taranto and got Sam Lalor and Josh Smillie last year. So, that big body midfielder is covered the next two or three years when you look at Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper carrying the load as Richmond rebound.
"What they probably lack is that outside run. Taj Hotton, to me, will go into that midfield at some stage in his career and provide that firepower and spark. But for me, he's more of a 10-15 minute midfield spurt player. In terms of your first receiver to complement the larger bodies, I think they do need that still."
Who the Tigers end up selecting is highly dependent on their draft hand.
If they stick with their two picks inside the top four, Ralphsmith believes they could look at selecting Sam Grlj or Willem Duursma, but with a later pick could select a player like North Adelaide's Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier, who averaged 15 disposals per game at the AFL U18 Championships this year.
https://www.zerohanger.com/richmonds-potential-plans-for-the-2025-national-draft-165814/
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Na don't split them
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J Alger 183cm
T Hotton 182cm
S Campbell 182cm
T Sonsie 181cm
R Mansell 180cm
J Clarke 180cm
M Rioli 179cm
S Green 179cm
It's fashionable to say Richmond need a small forward but I am not too sure.
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Na don't split them
Why wouldn’t we just trade a future pick? Seems incredibly stupid to split 2 x Top 5 picks which will either deliver us a current gun mid or finish off the drafting talent acquisition part of our list rebuild
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Willem Duursma making his VFL debut
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West Coast has confirmed it will make a formal application for draft assistance after holding initial talks with the AFL about its recent plight, with the club facing the prospect of a one-win season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1376859/west-coast-eagles-boss-don-pyke-confirms-club-will-ask-for-draft-assistance
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They’ll get a second rounder which after all the father son and academy picks will end up somewhere in the high 20s. Don’t think they should get 1 but meh makes no difference to us.
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Pick 2 players that are not injury prone or have hyphenated surnames
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Central power rankings:
CDT.
Duursma.
Uwland. (GCS)
Pattison. (GCS)
Annable. (Bris).
Sharp.
Marsh.
Dean. (Carl).
Lindsay.
Schubert.
Greeves.
Cumming.
Grlj.
Taylor.
Ludowyke.
King. (Syd).
NHH.
Phillipou.
Douston.
Farrow.
Addinsall. (GCS)
Barker.
LeRay.
Carmichael. (Syd).
Emmett.
McCarthy. (Col.)
Murray.
Coulson. (GCS?)
Byrne.
Sweid. (Ess)
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Grilj playing for our VFL tomorrow :shh
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Grlj's game today playing mostly across HB for our VFL team:
18 disposals (16k, 2h, 4c, 12u, 72.2%)
6 marks
5 tackles
2 inside 50s
2 intercept
https://www.afl.com.au/vfl/matches/7438#player-stats
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Duursma lit it up
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Keep it simple. Duursma, Sharp if available & Kellaway.
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Sam Grlj made an impressive VFL debut with Richmond in last Saturday’s clash with Gold Coast at People First Stadium.
The talented teenage midfielder from Oakleigh Chargers in the Coates Talent League finished the match with 18 disposals, six marks and five tackles.
He adapted seamlessly to the significant step up to the level and looks a likely prospect at this year’s AFL national draft.
Richmond’s VFL coach Jake Batchelor liked what he saw from Grlj against the Suns.
“His leadership, his exuberance and his excitement to be part of our program, and to be himself, was outstanding,” Batchelor told Richmond Media in a post-match interview.
“And we saw on the track out there today he’s got speed, he’s got ‘smarts’, he’s got sidesteps and agility.
“He’s going to be a heck of a player.
“Really pleased (with him) and hopefully we can get him for the next couple of weeks as well because he definitely showed he can match it against some really good players.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1851380/grlj-meets-challenge-in-fine-style
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Surely just because people are assuming Eagles get pick 2 for Oscar Allan doesn't mean it will actually happen.
Surely his contract will not trigger band one compensation. Seems ridiculous
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Surely just because people are assuming Eagles get pick 2 for Oscar Allan doesn't mean it will actually happen.
Surely his contract will not trigger band one compensation. Seems ridiculous
I don’t remember a time where a reported compo band has proven to be wrong.
It’s pretty simple, if the contract doesn’t trigger band 1 compo (i.e pick 2), the eagles would just match and force the trade which isn’t in the lions favour.
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Allen will be band 1 because teams will pay a truck load for any half decent key forward and WCE won't go ahead with it unless it's worth their while
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And if they don't the AFL will ensure it's band 1. I suspect he won't be the only eagle leaving.
Is that Sam Draper a FA? Bombers wiill probably get a "band 1" as well
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And if they don't the AFL will ensure it's band 1. I suspect he won't be the only eagle leaving.
Is that Sam Draper a FA? Bombers wiill probably get a "band 1" as well
Agree re: AFL
And yes re: Draper. Dons fans are expecting band 1 compo, hence we need to ensure they finish above us and Norf.
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You are all forgetting one factor
The eagles are keen to sign Starcevich
If that happens it affects the free agency compo
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You are all forgetting one factor
The eagles are keen to sign Starcevich
If that happens it affects the free agency compo
They can trade. No chance in the world they would do anything to jeopardize that pick 2 that they are surely about to receive
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You are all forgetting one factor
The eagles are keen to sign Starcevich
If that happens it affects the free agency compo
Yeah they won't do it. Trade or nothing.
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Kellaway not in the top 40 in today's HS rankings.
Some seemingly talented guys from 13-30 , if the tigers can find another draft pick in that region
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Or trade a future 2nd or 3rd rounder
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It’s been reported that the contract being offered to Draper as well as his current contract at the bombers doesn’t qualify for band 1 compo so I don’t think it matters but better to finish below them just in case lol.
And damo makes a good point about starcevich. Let’s hope the eagles land him so it dilutes their compo to a second rounder.
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You are all forgetting one factor
The eagles are keen to sign Starcevich
If that happens it affects the free agency compo
This is brilliant
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It’s been reported that the contract being offered to Draper as well as his current contract at the bombers doesn’t qualify for band 1 compo so I don’t think it matters but better to finish below them just in case lol.
And damo makes a good point about starcevich. Let’s hope the eagles land him so it dilutes their compo to a second rounder.
Bombers won't let him go unless it's B1 compo
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It’s been reported that the contract being offered to Draper as well as his current contract at the bombers doesn’t qualify for band 1 compo so I don’t think it matters but better to finish below them just in case lol.
And damo makes a good point about starcevich. Let’s hope the eagles land him so it dilutes their compo to a second rounder.
Bombers won't let him go unless it's B1 compo
He is unrestricted so bombers don’t have the power to match contract and force a trade.
Allen is restricted, that’s the difference.
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It’s been reported that the contract being offered to Draper as well as his current contract at the bombers doesn’t qualify for band 1 compo so I don’t think it matters but better to finish below them just in case lol.
And damo makes a good point about starcevich. Let’s hope the eagles land him so it dilutes their compo to a second rounder.
Bombers won't let him go unless it's B1 compo
He is unrestricted so bombers don’t have the power to match contract and force a trade.
Allen is restricted, that’s the difference.
Draper will do what all the decent players do - request adequate compensation for his club, so he'll be looking for a contract that results in band 1 given how big the discrepancy between that and band 2 will be.
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Lol of course he would want that, because the only way he they get it is by giving him more $$$ and more years. He is negotiating for himself and whatever that lands on is what Essendon will get, there is no altering motive of getting the bombers a good deal, it is 1 in the same purpose. That sort of thinking can not works in trade scenarios.
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Lol of course he would want that, because the only way he they get it is by giving him more $$$ and more years. He is negotiating for himself and whatever that lands on is what Essendon will get, there is no altering motive of getting the bombers a good deal, it is 1 in the same purpose. That sort of thinking can not works in trade scenarios.
There's the deal he wants, the clubs want, market value etc.
The WankFL isn't transparent about the formula but my understanding is that clubs can enquire about what comp a deal will get.
When you're in that tax bracket making another $100k/year is going to net you $55k minus whatever your agent is being paid, so if you have to move states it may not be worth it, although for a guy like Draper he might be open to a return to SA for less money/year if that's what he wants.
So no, it's not always about that last dollar at the end of the day.
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I really think you’re failing to grasp the major difference between a restricted and an unrestricted free agent.
Oscar Allen is a restricted FA. The Lions make him a contract offer. The eagles check with the AFL what level of compensation they will get based on that contract. If the AFL come back and say band 1, done deal, all parties are happy. If the AFL come back and say band 2 the eagles say F that we will match that contract and force a trade to which the Lions say F that we’ll just increase the $$$ and or years to get the eagles band 1 so they don’t have to give up any players or draft assets.
Sam Draper is an unrestricted free agent. The crows/lions make him a contract offer. The bombers check with the AFL what level of compensation they will get based on that contract. If the AFL come back and say band 2, there’s not a damn thing the bombers can do about it. They can’t threaten to match it to force a trade, they have no leverage on the chasing clubs to get them to do anything.
The best chance the bombers have of getting band 1 compo for Draper is if a bidding war erupts between the chasing teams however I can’t see two of the top4 teams in the comp offering that high a salary for an average player especially the lions who will already be giving up a chunk for Allen.
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What you are all assuming is that this competition is built on some semblance of integrity. Which ain’t the case.
If Draper leaves, which he will, Bumbles the clown club will get a 1st rounder because the afl need them to start winning soon.
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What you are all assuming is that this competition is built on some semblance of integrity. Which ain’t the case.
If Draper leaves, which he will, Bumbles the clown club will get a 1st rounder because the afl need them to start winning soon.
voice of reason :thumbsup
the old herbs and spices mix from the wokefl will come to the fore.
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What you are all assuming is that this competition is built on some semblance of integrity. Which ain’t the case.
If Draper leaves, which he will, Bumbles the clown club will get a 1st rounder because the afl need them to start winning soon.
voice of reason :thumbsup
the old herbs and spices mix from the wokefl will come to the fore.
I’m not sure they like Essendon much
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I really think you’re failing to grasp the major difference between a restricted and an unrestricted free agent.
Oscar Allen is a restricted FA. The Lions make him a contract offer. The eagles check with the AFL what level of compensation they will get based on that contract. If the AFL come back and say band 1, done deal, all parties are happy. If the AFL come back and say band 2 the eagles say F that we will match that contract and force a trade to which the Lions say F that we’ll just increase the $$$ and or years to get the eagles band 1 so they don’t have to give up any players or draft assets.
Sam Draper is an unrestricted free agent. The crows/lions make him a contract offer. The bombers check with the AFL what level of compensation they will get based on that contract. If the AFL come back and say band 2, there’s not a damn thing the bombers can do about it. They can’t threaten to match it to force a trade, they have no leverage on the chasing clubs to get them to do anything.
The best chance the bombers have of getting band 1 compo for Draper is if a bidding war erupts between the chasing teams however I can’t see two of the top4 teams in the comp offering that high a salary for an average player especially the lions who will already be giving up a chunk for Allen.
Yep, so then you're ultimately making an assessment of how badly Draper wants to leave.
The different in offers may be minimal or zero - from what I hear, Essendon has increased their offer to match rival offers.
He may not want to go that badly.
If the compo ends up band 1, Essendon may well ask him to take it and go to help their rebuild.
Lots of factors and it's not just money. Restricted or not.
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You’re right in the sense that he may ask bombers to match the offer and if so he’d agree to stay to which they may do if it’s band 2 compo but not be so inclined to do so if it’s band 1 compo, but yeah like I said there isn’t really a back and forth between clubs changing contract terms in order to manipulate the compo because there is no reason for the clubs attracting the player to do so.
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You’re right in the sense that he may ask bombers to match the offer and if so he’d agree to stay to which they may do if it’s band 2 compo but not be so inclined to do so if it’s band 1 compo, but yeah like I said there isn’t really a back and forth between clubs changing contract terms in order to manipulate the compo because there is no reason for the clubs attracting the player to do so.
See your point.
But to play devil's advocate.
Draper may be amenable to a move, without wanting out badly (maybe like Jack Graham?).
Essendon may have a preference to keep him, but be open to moving him on to help their rebuild (like us with Bolton, Baker, Rioli etc, free agents or not it hardly seems to matter these days).
If a club offers money that warrants B2 comp, Dons would probably want Draper to stay, Draper may not really be that fussed - we can only assume. He may elect to stay. Alternative club may then increase offer and trigger B1, Draper is more enthusiastic for the money, Essendon tells him they won't increase their offer to try to keep him because they'd prefer B1 compo.
Off he goes.
But it's still very viable that he stays, even if he just uses an opposition offer to leverage more money out of the Dons. If they're only looking at B2 compo and can't get an offer closer to B1 I can see this being the outcome quite easily, but it looks like there's quite a bit of interest in him from a few clubs, and I genuinely think we should consider it given our ruck issues and that we have few players to pay wages and meet TPP requirements.
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Yeah that all makes sense but there’s less of an impetus for the wanting clubs to get involved in a back and forth knowing they are just being used to get Essendon more compo. The main clubs linked are Brisbane and Adelaide. I can’t see either offering a contract that triggers band 1, lions because they’re already doing that for Allen and are likely close to their cap and Adelaide having re-signed O’Brien surely wouldn’t be breaking the bank for a 2nd (or 1b) ruck. I sure as hell hope we wouldn’t be offering him a contract on enough $ or years to trigger it either.
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So Richmond only 1 wins , 6% behind the druggies.
Potentially losing two draft positions if the afl give them band one ...
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Grlj's stats in his second game for our VFL side today. 100% disposal efficiency.
15 disp (7k, 8h, 4c, 9u, 100% eff.)
2 marks
2 tackles
5 intercepts
1 score involvement
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Duursma couple mistakes to lose the vfl game at the end. Splayed well generally however
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You’re right in the sense that he may ask bombers to match the offer and if so he’d agree to stay to which they may do if it’s band 2 compo but not be so inclined to do so if it’s band 1 compo, but yeah like I said there isn’t really a back and forth between clubs changing contract terms in order to manipulate the compo because there is no reason for the clubs attracting the player to do so.
See your point.
But to play devil's advocate.
Draper may be amenable to a move, without wanting out badly (maybe like Jack Graham?).
Essendon may have a preference to keep him, but be open to moving him on to help their rebuild (like us with Bolton, Baker, Rioli etc, free agents or not it hardly seems to matter these days).
If a club offers money that warrants B2 comp, Dons would probably want Draper to stay, Draper may not really be that fussed - we can only assume. He may elect to stay. Alternative club may then increase offer and trigger B1, Draper is more enthusiastic for the money, Essendon tells him they won't increase their offer to try to keep him because they'd prefer B1 compo.
Off he goes.
But it's still very viable that he stays, even if he just uses an opposition offer to leverage more money out of the Dons. If they're only looking at B2 compo and can't get an offer closer to B1 I can see this being the outcome quite easily, but it looks like there's quite a bit of interest in him from a few clubs, and I genuinely think we should consider it given our ruck issues and that we have few players to pay wages and meet TPP requirements.
If Richmond win this week.
And efc get flogged 3 more times.
Tigers go above efc losing two draft spots - assuming draper is given band one :(
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The Essendon v blues game will be the one we need them to win....probably their only chance too to stay above us
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Could the RFC be worried the bombers would get band 1? Likely.
Anyone who thinks Draper is no chance for band 1 underestimates the cheating afl.
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We would have to win a game and make up a differential of probably 150+ points to cover the percentage.
Don't think it will happen.
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Could the RFC be worried the bombers would get band 1? Likely.
Anyone who thinks Draper is no chance for band 1 underestimates the cheating afl.
But I'm convinced this will 100% happen if Draper goes.
AFL hands out Band 1 to any struggling club and stooges the successful clubs (except Geelong, Motlop/Ablett situation).
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We would have to win a game and make up a differential of probably 150+ points to cover the percentage.
Don't think it will happen.
Richmond have every chance of beating norf.
It's only 5% difference and the druggies are very capable of dropping that fast.
Gold coast especially should win by a lot in the last game
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We would have to win a game and make up a differential of probably 150+ points to cover the percentage.
Don't think it will happen.
Richmond have every chance of beating norf.
It's only 5% difference and the druggies are very capable of dropping that fast.
Gold coast especially should win by a lot in the last game
We're no certainty to beat Norf, and we'll get absolutely pumped by Geelong. I can see our score differential for the next two games easily being -50 or -100.
Saints won't give the Dons a thrashing IMO and it's also likely that the Suns will take their foot off the pedal somewhat, I think more than Geelong will for us.
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Yeah 2 of their last 3 are the Saints and Blues. The thrashing they’ll likely get by the suns is offset by ours against the cats.
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Cooper Duff-Tytler finishes with 3.2 from 11 disposals in his VFL debut
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Regarding draft picks it makes no difference whether we beat North or not??
Either way we get pics 2 and 3.
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Regarding draft picks it makes no difference whether we beat North or not??
Either way we get pics 2 and 3.
Safest thing to do is lose, but yes it makes no difference
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Regarding draft picks it makes no difference whether we beat North or not??
Either way we get pics 2 and 3.
Safest thing to do is lose, but yes it makes no difference
Should be safe now to win.
Cause the druggies didn't get belted
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Would love the win today.
Want to build a winning culture and also get pay back on north for earlier this year
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Sunday ticket on Fox - r23
"Richmond planning to take first two picks to national draft"
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David Zita on Fox Footy said Richmond is planning to take their first two picks to the draft. Currently 2 & 3 although they may be pushed back one spot to 3 & 4 if the Eagles get first bank compo for Allen.
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David Zita on Fox Footy said Richmond is planning to take their first two picks to the draft. Currently 2 & 3 although they may be pushed back one spot to 3 & 4 if the Eagles get first bank compo for Allen.
Thank goodness
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So who are WC picking at 1&2 (can't believe they will get 2 for injury prone Allan) but looks likely a self fulfilling prophecy.
My guess is Sharp & Duursma
Leaving us with Tytler & Lindsay probably but I agree we need the best pure ball winning mids like Grjl, NHH or Greeves
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Isn’t Grjl a half back? That’s where he’s been playing in our vfl side. Hopefully WC take CTD so he doesn’t slide to us.
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Isn’t Grjl a half back? That’s where he’s been playing in our vfl side. Hopefully WC take CTD so he doesn’t slide to us.
Not 100% but talk is he's a mid
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So who are WC picking at 1&2 (can't believe they will get 2 for injury prone Allan) but looks likely a self fulfilling prophecy.
My guess is Sharp & Duursma
Leaving us with Tytler & Lindsay probably but I agree we need the best pure ball winning mids like Grjl, NHH or Greeves
I reckon he's doing a Daniher.
Will be fit when he moves.
I think we need 2 quick mids, but tbh If CDT is available I also think we need ruck options other than Sims.
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Whatever happens, we are still guaranteed to get two gun players provided the club doesn't royally stuff up.
Any combination of CDT, Duuuuuuurzma, Sharp, Marsh, Lindsay etc.
I'm quite keen on CDT as a ruck/forward. Can see him and Sims sharing the roles longer term.
Midfield would have to be made up of '26 P3, Lalor, Smillie, Hotton, KMac2 (yep I like him), then some chumps like Taranto, Hopper, Ross, Dow etc. Heck target a FA like Butters and we have a stew cooking.
Could be Sims/CDT ruck/forward.
Armstrong/Faull key forwards.
Backline of Balta, Miller, Young.
Plenty to be excited about.
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Gettable -
•CDT and Duursma firming as the 1-2 for wce
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Duursma could be a real player imo. I’ve really warmed up to him after vfl performances. Still plenty of talent left for us.
Thank Grlj is a must, then one of cumming or NHH
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Duursma could be a real player imo. I’ve really warmed up to him after vfl performances. Still plenty of talent left for us.
Thank Grlj is a must, then one of cumming or NHH
Well, one of those is a Carlton academy player, so they will have a say you would think
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Duursma could be a real player imo. I’ve really warmed up to him after vfl performances. Still plenty of talent left for us.
Thank Grlj is a must, then one of cumming or NHH
Well, one of those is a Carlton academy player, so they will have a say you would think
at this stage they won’t have the draft capital to snag him, see what happens though
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Whatever happens, we are still guaranteed to get two gun players provided the club doesn't royally stuff up.
Any combination of CDT, Duuuuuuurzma, Sharp, Marsh, Lindsay etc.
I'm quite keen on CDT as a ruck/forward. Can see him and Sims sharing the roles longer term.
Midfield would have to be made up of '26 P3, Lalor, Smillie, Hotton, KMac2 (yep I like him), then some chumps like Taranto, Hopper, Ross, Dow etc. Heck target a FA like Butters and we have a stew cooking.
Could be Sims/CDT ruck/forward.
Armstrong/Faull key forwards.
Backline of Balta, Miller, Young.
Plenty to be excited about.
Apparently Lindsay was rubbish in the u18.
Id go sharp and NHH.
Assuming wce take CDT and duursma
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I like the idea of pairing Sharp & Kellaway.
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Anyone know how highly KB’s grandson is rated in this years draft?
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One out of left field, we could offer North our pick 3 for FOS seeing I have heard the he is living with our draftees from last season.
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One out of left field, we could offer North our pick 3 for FOS seeing I have heard the he is living with our draftees from last season.
They'd want 2 and 3
He is a gun. And his body has held up
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Espn rankings:
1. Duursma Vic c
2. Sharp sa
3. CDT Vic m
4. Cumming sa
5. NHH Vic c
6. Lindsay Vic c
7. Schubert sa
8. Greeves Vic m
9. Grlj Vic m
10. Marsh sa
Minus academy , father son
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Eagles skipper tells club he wants to join rival... it could give the wooden spooners picks 1 AND 2
West Coast co-captain Oscar Allen has reportedly informed the club of his desire to move to the Brisbane Lions as a free agent.
Nine’s Tom Morris reports Allen told the Eagles of his plans to depart for the 2024 premiers at his exit meeting last Friday in a move that’d been widely speculated on for some time.
As Allen is a free agent, he can change clubs without the need for a trade. But because Allen is a restricted free agent, the Eagles have the power to match any offer he receives or take the AFL’s compensation, which could be Pick 2.
That would give the Eagles the first two picks in the 2025 National Draft.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2025-oscar-allens-west-coast-future-in-doubt-as-talks-break-down/news-story/1c0b09d567e58e146c8239f7e2dfab78
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WCE would be mad not to match any offer that isn't bringing in P2.
AFL would be mad not to give WCE P2 in lieu of official priority assistance.
So we're going to the draft with 3+4. Lock it in.
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Tigers plot draft bombshell
Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
24 Aug 2025
Richmond is open to using its pair of top five draft picks, trading one for elite talent or even splitting them for multiple selections.
Richmond has the No. 2 and No. 3 draft picks in the 2025 national draft after securing the Roos’ first pick last year in a trade that saw it hand over its 2025 second-round pick.
But by the time West Coast secures a first-band compensation pick for the departing Oscar Allen those picks will be pushed back to No. 3 and No. 4
The Eagles look keen on the versatile Victorian 191cm hybrid mid Willem Duursma as well as 200cm Calder Cannons ruck-forward Cooper Duff-Tytler.
SANFL mid Dyson Sharp, North Adelaide mid-forward Sam Cumming, elite kick Josh Lindsay and big bodied Eastern Ranges mid Ollie Greeves are all players the Tigers could consider with early picks but also need to continue bolstering their midfield.
They will also consider their father-son prospect Louis Kellaway as a later selection.
But they have not ruled out using one of those picks for established talent in the right age bracket if a chance arises.
Clubs like Gold Coast could also be keen to get up the draft order to take a pick before they match bids on their array of academy selections.
Changes to the bidding system mean those top five picks are worth their weight in gold given their points value so clubs could need those selections to match bids.
It means Richmond is in a perfect position to consider offers, with the evenness of a relatively poor draft meaning the Tigers might be happy to drop back in the order several spots to bolster their 2025 or future draft hand.
“We have to work out how we can stay in the game longer against the quality teams,” he said.
“But as a whole we feel like we have got some growth and games into players. Our first year boys showed huge growth.
“To see Taj Hotton get the second part of the season, to see Harry Armstrong come in, Seth Campbell’s season was outstanding and he’s backed it up. It’s two years in a row and he’s going to be a huge part of our future as well as Sam Banks and Tom Brown. Add that to the first year boys and hopefully we can bounce back quickly.”
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-weigh-up-trading-top-pick-with-adem-yze-nearing-extension/news-story/0aa494cebec2f0fcb4c42acbb09aec2e
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Let’s not get fancy here. Take the 2 best mids available in the draft with picks 3 and 4 and get a 3rd or 4th rounder in to get kellaway.
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Let’s not get fancy here. Take the 2 best mids available in the draft with picks 3 and 4 and get a 3rd or 4th rounder in to get kellaway.
Perfect
And I actually don't want any mids without good breakaway speed at P3+4
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Hibbins Hargreaves & Cumming for me now.
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The ability and mentality to attack and break lines with pace makes Sam Grlj a unique option in this draft pool
VIDEO: https://x.com/FootyStuffYT/status/1959815224829370821
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Let’s not get fancy here. Take the 2 best mids available in the draft with picks 3 and 4 and get a 3rd or 4th rounder in to get kellaway.
Perfect
And I actually don't want any mids without good breakaway speed at P3+4
Spot on
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Tend to agree , get the best 2 that fill our biggest gaps , mids with speed and maybe a class ruck with the exception being if we are offered a deal that’s just too good pass up ( like pick 3 for pick 21 scenario🙏)
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Think a combo of Sharp, Grlj and Lindsay are our ticket.
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Think a combo of Sharp, Grlj and Lindsay are our ticket.
Agree.
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No Duursma or Olly Greeves?
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Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' August ranking
Remember, this is a ranking of the best prospects and does not take into account where bids on father-son or Academy players will come or where the players will necessarily get selected.
1. Zeke Uwland 24/04/2007 180cm Midfielder Gold Coast Academy/Allies
2. Cooper Duff-Tytler 22/08/2007 200cm Ruck Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
3. Willem Duursma 21/06/2007 191cm Utility Gippsland Power/Vic Country
4. Dylan Patterson 01/09/2007 183cm Midfielder/Defender Gold Coast Academy/Allies
5. Daniel Annable 05/04/2007 183cm Midfielder Brisbane Academy/Allies
6. Dyson Sharp 23/05/2007 187cm Midfielder Central District/South Australia
7. Josh Lindsay 07/04/2007 183cm Defender/Midfielder Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
8. Harry Dean 13/11/2007 193cm Tall defender Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country (+2)
9. Xavier Taylor 30/01/2007 191cm Defender Eastern Rangers/Vic Metro (+6)
10. Mitch Marsh 15/02/2007 191cm Forward West Adelaide/South Australia (-2)
11. Sam Grlj 26/07/2007 182cm Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro (+1)
12. Sam Cumming 27/07/2007 186cm Midfielder North Adelaide/South Australia (+1)
13. Aidan Schubert 21/12/2007 197cm Key Forward Central District/South Australia (-4)
14. Jacob Farrow 21/09/2007 188cm Midfielder West Perth/Western Australia (+7)
15. Oliver Greeves 07/02/2007 191cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro (-4)
16. Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves 16/11/2007 186cm Forward/Midfielder Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country (+2)
17. Jevan Phillipou 30/03/2007 183cm Midfielder/Forward Woodville-West Torrens/SA
18. Adam Sweid 14/09/2007 175cm Midfielder/Forward Calder Cannons/Vic Metro (+4)
19. Archie Ludowyke 19/11/2007 197cm Key Forward Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro (-3)
20. Lachy Dovaston 29/05/2007 177cm Small forward Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro (+4)
21. Max King 09/01/2007 192cm Key Forward Sydney Academy/Allies (-7)
22. Oskar Taylor 01/08/2007 182cm Defender Eastern Ranges (new)
23. Louis Emmett 23/03/2007 199cm Ruck Oakleigh Chargers/VicMetro (-4)
24. Beau Addinsall 09/03/2007 181cm Midfielder Gold Coast Academy/Allies (-1)
25. Harley Barker 02/05/2007 187cm Midfielder Sturt/South Australia (new)
26. Cameron Nairn 15/10/2007 189cm Forward Central District/South Australia (new)
27. Zac McCarthy 27/10/2007 198cm Ruck/Forward Oakleigh Chargers/VicMetro (-7)
28. Sam Swadling 16/01/2007 187cm Midfielder West Perth/Western Australia (new)
29. Riley Onley 30/03/2007 194cm Midfielder Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country (-4)
30. Matt LeRay 22/02/2007 189cm Midfielder Central District/South Australia (new)
Full profiles here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1403466/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-august-ranking
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Uwland, Patterson, Annable
Literally bid on them all.
If CDT is there I am quite keen, despite the clear need for more pacey mids. We need a ruck option and only have Sims (unless you still consider Ryan a potential). CDT can also kick goals.
If CDT isn't there just take the two best mids with pace.
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If WC don't bid then just bid, bid, bid to flush them out of the pool.
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Clubs don’t wanna bid because they want their own players to be recognised as the top picks then they want to complain about the integrity of the draft and clubs not having to pay enough to match bids ::)
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No Duursma or Olly Greeves?
Durrsma will go top 2 by the looks, and if not I'd personally pass as Durrsmas look soft as. I don't really want one at Tigerland. They give me Morton and Cloke family vibes. Gifted everything as juniors being a gun junior family who are heavily involved. Look flashy but when things get real in the big time they are left wanting. Just my opinion. Wouldn't use pick 3 or 4 on him.
Huge fan of Sharp and Lindsay however think Grlj fills our need best.
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Agree, the Dursma’a seem to just stuff up under pressure
I won’t be surprised if we trade one of our first picks off
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The Eagles' offer to get Starcevich and keep Pick Two
The Eagles are currently angling to try and get the best of both worlds through their assistance package, as Sam Edmund told SEN’s Crunch Time.
West Coast are looking for extra rookie spots, that’s one thing,” he explained.
“But the most contentious element is asking the league to allow them to bring in Brisbane's Brandon Starcevich without diluting their compensation for Oscar Allen, which we all expect to be as high as pick two.
“It’s never been done, it’s never happened before, it’s never been allowed, but this is the negotiation around assistance packages.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/08/31/afl-trade-news-west-coast-assistance-package-brandon-starcevich
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A bit cheeky trying to change the rules re free agency just because you suck.
Brandon Starcevich would be in their best 3 players and they just want him gifted.
Give me a spell.
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you can bet the eagles wish will be granted.
If we were in the same boat there is zero chance we would be offered anything.
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you can bet the eagles wish will be granted.
If we were in the same boat there is zero chance we would be afford anything.
No chance.
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you can bet the eagles wish will be granted.
If we were in the same boat there is zero chance we would be afford anything.
No chance.
No chance what, that it won't be granted?
I reckon it's a monty. AFL dying to give them priority assistance without straight up giving them an additional first rounder.
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Full article here: https://central.rookieme.com/afl/power-rankings/afl-draft-power-rankings-august-2025/
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Rhy Gieschen, Richmond’s National Recruiting Manager:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHZptDLCv3U
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AFL Draft: Pairing the ideal prospect with all bottom 10 teams
By Mitch Keating
Zerohanger.com
2 Sep 2025
Here we've played matchmaker, linking a 2025 draft prospect with each of the bottom 10 teams.
Richmond
Josh Lindsay
The Tigers will have two bites of the apple in the opening few selections, having attained North Melbourne's first-round selection in a deal last November.
The Tigers won't be short on options, despite the Eagles likely having the first two picks and a handful of Northern Academy players also being in the top five mix.
For Richmond, they'll look to continue their growth from last year, where they heavily invested in key position personnel and contested ball winners.
This off-season looms as an opportunistic window that is primed for the Punt Road club to add some outside run and clean ball use, with Geelong Falcons ace Josh Lindsay just that.
The well-balanced left-footer has arguably the best kick in his class, and can be deployed across half-back or midfield, with a role in defence likely to ease his transition into the top flight.
The Tigers, who have ties to South Australian father-son talent Louis Kellaway, another player capable of offering some outlet avenues in the back half, may also consider Oakleigh speedster Sam Grlj with one of their earlier picks.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/wnba/afl-draft-pairing-the-ideal-prospect-with-all-bottom-10-teams/ar-AA1LG3Vm
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Not interested in Lindsay. To me he’s the kind of player you get when you’re ready to make a tilt at finals. Sort of like when we drafted vlastuin
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Not interested in Lindsay. To me he’s the kind of player you get when you’re ready to make a tilt at finals. Sort of like when we drafted vlastuin
WTF? Vlaustin was drafted a long way before our window and is nothing like Lindsay. Maybe think before you post complete rubbish
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Not interested in Lindsay. To me he’s the kind of player you get when you’re ready to make a tilt at finals. Sort of like when we drafted vlastuin
WTF? Vlaustin was drafted a long way before our window and is nothing like Lindsay. Maybe think before you post complete rubbish
Drafted 2012, played finals in 2013 after finishing 12th in 2012 and we were obviously building.
Maybe you should check the facts yourself before posting so aggressively.
Most rebuild, if any at all don’t begin with outside players
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Agree with the sentiment on outside players but I wouldn’t classify vlas as an outside player by any means.
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Agree with the sentiment on outside players but I wouldn’t classify vlas as an outside player by any means.
I’m not saying Vlas is an outside player.
I’m saying early in the rebuild you focus on the nuts and bolts, inside mids, impact mids, key position players.
Once that’s sorted after a few years you look at players like vlastuin, intercepting half backs and players like Lindsay, running half backs
Also small fwds (Dan Rioli) etc
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Agree with the sentiment on outside players but I wouldn’t classify vlas as an outside player by any means.
I’m not saying Vlas is an outside player.
I’m saying early in the rebuild you focus on the nuts and bolts, inside mids, impact mids, key position players.
Once that’s sorted after a few years you look at players like vlastuin, intercepting half backs and players like Lindsay, running half backs
Also small fwds (Dan Rioli) etc
Agree with that although at the top end of the draft all the clubs always say you just take the best talent available and worry about fitting them into the team later.
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Lindsay best kick in draft, id consider that nuts and bolts. Need a good user.
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“I think everything is on the table”: Richmond reveal draft “options”
By Aidan Cellini
zerohanger.com
3 September 2025
Richmond's national recruiting manager, Rhy Gieschen, emphasised that the club is poised to maximise its strong draft hand in the coming months, ensuring a significant impact on its future planning.
The Tigers have two top-three selections (as it stands) in the 2025 National Draft, courtesy of their dealings with North Melbourne last year on top of their own pick.
Following an influx of seven exciting prospects last year, Richmond could look to secure another pair of young talents in November.
"I think everything is on the table. When you have an early pick, it really opens up all your options," Gieschen said on Talking Tigers.
"Our role as a recruiting team is to assess the whole pool, and you don't want to rest on your laurels and that you are just picking up the top end, because you never know what will happen come trade time.
"We just assess the entire pool and do our ratings, and then, depending on what our ratings look like and what clubs offer, there is always possibilities."
West Coast are in the box seat at the National Draft, holding Pick 1, and are also expected to gain Pick 2 once the compensation for co-captain Oscar Allen's looming departure comes through.
Cooper Duff-Tytler, Willem Duursma, Dyson Sharp, Josh Lindsay and Xavier Taylor pose as potential inclusions for the Tigers among a host of club-linked prospects such as Zeke Uwland and Daniel Annable.
But Gieschen, who is approaching his third draft with the Tigers, is excited by the prospect of possessing two early picks that will help fast-track the club's rebuild.
"It's exciting to have Pick 2 and 3," Gieschen said.
"You feel blessed to go and watch the best players and go to their houses and know that you are a strong chance to get those players.
"It has been a fun year, and I look forward to whoever it is that we end up picking and bringing them in and adding to our talent mix."
Father-son prospect Louis Kellaway, son of 180-gamer Duncan, is also firming as another inclusion to Punt Road.
The Tigers are also interested in bringing across out-of-favour Gold Coast small forward Malcolm Rosa Jr.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/wnba/i-think-everything-is-on-the-table-richmond-reveal-draft-options/ar-AA1LLAe7
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September POWER RANKINGS: Top 40 | Craft of the Draft AFL
Top 10 excluding Academy & F/S.
10: Josh Lindsay
Geelong Falcons, halfback
Has had a slightly quieter month as he's been given the opportunity to develop out other areas of his game, but his strengths are abundantly clear for all to see. Kicks it as well as anyone in the draft class and isn't afraid to take it on, with his professionalism and leadership some other intangible ticks.
9: Dyson Sharp
Central Districts, midfielder
Has averaged 30 disposals and 10 tackles in his last three games for Central Districts, showing an increasingly rounded skillset in the middle. Has great strength and clean hands, is hard to take down and has excellent grit when the ball is in the opposition's hands. Crucially, his reliability on the outside and in transition is ever-increasing after a talismanic U18s National Championships.
8: Sam Cumming
North Adelaide, midfielder/forward
The strong and powerful forward/midfielder hasn't played since Round 16 due to injury, but is gaining traction as a potential selection right at the pointy end given his proven ability to play in the midfield and forward line. Originally from Wentworth on the Murray River, Cumming is a clean clearance-winner, and strong overhead and at ground level inside 50, which he showed off early in the year for North Adelaide and through the National Championships.
7: Ollie Greeves
Eastern Ranges, midfielder
This masthead has consistently placed Greeves higher than consensus because of his well-rounded skillset. Most players with comparable size and position profiles are stoppage beasts, and while Greeves has the ability to greatly influence at the clinches, his overlap run and kicking are just as dangerous when he's in the midfield, making him hard to stop. Eastern Ranges have also showcased him forward more in recent weeks, and goal-kicking accuracy aside, he's been excellent, proving a tough matchup with his power, size and marking.
3: Cooper Duff-Tytler
Calder Cannons, forward/ruck
His stint for Essendon VFL, where he kicked three goals playing forward, laid the foundation for an excellent finish to the season, where he has proven his excellent forward presence. Kicked 2.5 in a losing cause for Calder on Saturday, taking 11 marks - a mix of on the lead, up the ground and contested. His ability to impact as a fourth midfielder when he plays through the ruck is well-known - but given rucks tend to slip, and his size, the shift forward where he's shown natural craft and waxed well with the Cannons attack has been critical.
1: Willem Duursma
Gippsland Power, utility
The Gippslander just continues churning out best on ground performances and is hurting opponents in different ways. Some weeks, he's intercepting off halfback and setting the game up by foot, other times it's his contested ball-winning, goal-kicking, pressure, work rate...the list goes on and on. He's a match-winner, a hard worker, flashy, entertaining, and athletic. He'll take to the next level with ease.
Full Top 40 profiles here: https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-draft-top-40-power-rankings-167885/
Video:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyf5COr9TmY
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Maybe we look at taking the 3 South Australians. Sharp, Cumming & Kellaway? Looked to have a good connection in the champs and the team was dominant.
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Tough and quick.
Bolton had these traits in spades, not saying we'll get another one like him.
But I maintain that if CDT is available at 3...not sure I could pass on him. He can play forward and we need a ruck too.
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Updated combined #AFLdraft Power Rankings from @CalTwomey, @zerohanger, @RookieMeCentral, @Jasperc53, @FOXFOOTY, @codesportsau
Rise or fall from last month included.
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https://x.com/Snrubthoughts/status/1963434636014714975
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Is Kellaway actually good enough to even be drafted? We might do a lot of work to get a pick we don’t even need?
Could end up as a rookie
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Is Kellaway actually good enough to even be drafted? We might do a lot of work to get a pick we don’t even need?
Could end up as a rookie
Assuming we nab a 3rd rounder during trade week, think we’ll be live trading on the day to slide back if kellaways name isn’t read out before our pick or trade the pick out for a 2026 pick if he looks to be going into the rookie draft.
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I just wonder if it’s worth the trade hassle if he’s likely to slip through to the rookie draft anyway
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Sliding back would be an absurd strategy in an allegedly crap draft.
Keeping 2+3 should be a priority and use other junk currency to collect Kellaway.
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Sliding back would be an absurd strategy in an allegedly crap draft.
Keeping 2+3 should be a priority and use other junk currency to collect Kellaway.
I meant sliding back the pick we get to grab kellaway, in the event he only ends up being NG a 4th rounder or rookie prospect
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Sliding back would be an absurd strategy in an allegedly crap draft.
Keeping 2+3 should be a priority and use other junk currency to collect Kellaway.
I meant sliding back the pick we get to grab kellaway, in the event he only ends up being NG a 4th rounder or rookie prospect
Ah ok gotcha.
Tbh I haven't heard crap about him aside from our forum.
Maybe nobody thinks he's any good and we just rookie him?
But I think there's something nice about using a national draft pick on him even if nobody else wants him.
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Silly robey has thrown a spanner in the works
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Updated combined #AFLdraft Power Rankings from @CalTwomey, @zerohanger, @RookieMeCentral, @Jasperc53, @FOXFOOTY, @codesportsau
Rise or fall from last month included.
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https://x.com/Snrubthoughts/status/1963434636014714975
Surely you have to take who ever is left of duursma, sharp, CDT (?)
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Looks pretty hard to split 7 Lindsey to around
22ish phillipou
Maybe splitting the pick has some upside
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Think it’s pretty simple for us
One of Cumming or Robey, the latter if we are feeling like more risk.
Similar players. Big bodied, fast, aerobic, goal kicking mids
Liken them a bit to Callaghan
The other pick has to be Grlj imo
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I am personally not very invested in any player who is going to fall below 2nd round in a shallow draft so I don’t get the desire to trade into this year’s draft for kellaway. Am hoping we won’t need to worry as falls into rookie draft.
Why are we so focused on Sam Grlj? He is barely coming up in top 10 in most draft predictions. Think we should avoid getting too cute here and doing a Richard Tambling.
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Think it’s pretty simple for us
One of Cumming or Robey, the latter if we are feeling like more risk.
Similar players. Big bodied, fast, aerobic, goal kicking mids
Liken them a bit to Callaghan
The other pick has to be Grlj imo
You mean the guy predicted to go near the 3rd round? Don't think we'll be taking him at P3 or P4 tbh. Too cute trying to roll the dice on a player rated that low. We will just take the best two blokes we can.
WCE will take Duursma and one of CDT or Sharp.
We will just take two of whoever is left out of CDT, Sharp and Lindsay I expect.
We can bid on Kellaway with 2026 capital if required, otherwise rookie him.
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IMO there is 0 chance Robey makes it to the 3rd round.
But yes he is a risk.
I really hope we don’t draft CDT and I find it hard to believe we will, given the 4 talls we have drafted over the last few years + the addition of Gray and Gibcus returning to play
If it was a Nic nat like player I could understand, don’t think CDT is anything special at all
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If we could get Draper as a FA I would be settled.
Ryan is the (sucky) backup and Sims the developer.
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I still think Sharp, Cumming & Kellaway the way to go. Much like Brisbane did with Vic Country boys.
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West Coast has formalised its bid for a list assistance package from the AFL.
Included in the options put forward by the Eagles are access to more rookie list spots, with the club having ties to multiple Next Generation Academy and father-son prospects at this year's draft, as well as an extra selection at the end of the first round and another selection that comes with the caveat that it must be traded.
The Eagles have also put forward their hope to not have their Oscar Allen free agency compensation pick – expected to be No.2 – diluted if they bring in a free agent this year.
West Coast is keen on Brisbane's Brandon Starcevich as a free agent and has discussed the possibility of an exemption for having its free agency compensation pick diluted if another free agent comes into the club.
However, that bid is not expected to be granted as part of any assistance given by the AFL given it would disadvantage Brisbane's ability to match a free agency offer and force a trade.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1415896/details-revealed-of-west-coast-eagles-pitch-for-draft-assistance-package
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I still think Sharp, Cumming & Kellaway the way to go. Much like Brisbane did with Vic Country boys.
Except none of them are from Vic Country and apart from Kellaway do we risk another Horne-Francis SA sooky sooky la la. No thanks. I'll take Roney and Grjl.
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I still think Sharp, Cumming & Kellaway the way to go. Much like Brisbane did with Vic Country boys.
Except none of them are from Vic Country and apart from Kellaway do we risk another Horne-Francis SA sooky sooky la la. No thanks. I'll take Roney and Grjl.
Eh, most of the sooky ones are wanting to return to VIC, JHF was somewhat of an outlier there.
Plenty of players come to VIC for the big club experience and stay here.
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I still think Sharp, Cumming & Kellaway the way to go. Much like Brisbane did with Vic Country boys.
Except none of them are from Vic Country and apart from Kellaway do we risk another Horne-Francis SA sooky sooky la la. No thanks. I'll take Roney and Grjl.
My point was drafting players from the same area so they have close mates at the club, less likely to leave etc.
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Are people suggesting we use pick 2-3 on a player like Robey who is projected to go 30+?
I don’t know anything about the kid and he may end up being the pick of the draft for all I know but that is an incredible risk to take on a seriously shallow draft.
Almost certain we are just going to take 2 out of Duursma, CDT, Sharp, Lindsay, Cumming or Greeves.
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Are people suggesting we use pick 2-3 on a player like Robey who is projected to go 30+?
I don’t know anything about the kid and he may end up being the pick of the draft for all I know but that is an incredible risk to take on a seriously shallow draft.
Almost certain we are just going to take 2 out of Duursma, CDT, Sharp, Lindsay, Cumming or Greeves.
He is wildly considered first rounder now.
Players rise and fall leading into draft night.
Sonsie was a seen as top5 pick and fell out of top 20 when it got closer.
Unless the club sees Lindsay as a 'level above' the next tier. It makes sense to me to split the pick now imho
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My point was drafting players from the same area so they have close mates at the club, less likely to leave etc.
Yes, and it's a good point/tactic. Completely get where you're coming from.
Are people suggesting we use pick 2-3 on a player like Robey who is projected to go 30+?
I don’t know anything about the kid and he may end up being the pick of the draft for all I know but that is an incredible risk to take on a seriously shallow draft.
Almost certain we are just going to take 2 out of Duursma, CDT, Sharp, Lindsay, Cumming or Greeves.
Yep, seems a bit silly to me tbh. May be a bolter but to go from maybe 1 person's top 30 to supposedly top 5 is absurd only a few months out from draft night.
We have to absolute top picks and should take two players who have pretty much been pre-selected anyway. Any surprises in the top 5 are usually a fail these IMO.
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My point was drafting players from the same area so they have close mates at the club, less likely to leave etc.
Yes, and it's a good point/tactic. Completely get where you're coming from.
Are people suggesting we use pick 2-3 on a player like Robey who is projected to go 30+?
I don’t know anything about the kid and he may end up being the pick of the draft for all I know but that is an incredible risk to take on a seriously shallow draft.
Almost certain we are just going to take 2 out of Duursma, CDT, Sharp, Lindsay, Cumming or Greeves.
Yep, seems a bit silly to me tbh. May be a bolter but to go from maybe 1 person's top 30 to supposedly top 5 is absurd only a few months out from draft night.
We have to absolute top picks and should take two players who have pretty much been pre-selected anyway. Any surprises in the top 5 are usually a fail these IMO.
Outside of the academy and father sons there isn't a clear top5.
Post duursma. Sharp. CDT it looks very even 4-20.
Lindsay is an outside back flank type. Not your typical top5 pick
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I’d take my chances on a player who has widely been considered a top5 prospect for the best part of a year over the latest name to be described as a bolter / “steal of the draft”. So many players get dubbed that every single year only to end up out of the league in 3-5 years.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, imo we don’t need to do anything fancy here. We’ve got picks 2 & 3, take the 2 best players available, add them to our 7 drafted players from 2024 class and move on.
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I think you have to draft for well roundedness over pure talent.
Player like Grlj or even cumming really compliments the players we already have.
Will be interesting to see what angle the club takes
I’m tipping Cumming/Sharp and Grlj
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I think you have to draft for well roundedness over pure talent.
Player like Grlj or even cumming really compliments the players we already have.
Will be interesting to see what angle the club takes
I’m tipping Cumming/Sharp and Grlj
In that case we may as well trade down because those guys might be available around 10-15
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The reality is none of us really know, my opinion is that Grlj, cumming and sharp are all top 5 in the open draft.
Also if you’re basing this 10-15 range from Twomey’s guide there are 4 players off the cards, so makes cumming, Grlj and sharp the best available midfielders with our picks given west coast will certainly take Duursma
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Robey’s highlights do look quite good.
Him and Grlj could be a good combo.
Seems like not much separates 5-20
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We wont get a sniff at Sharp or Duursma.
WCE will use their picks, i say picks because they will get compensation for Allen on Both Duursma and Sharp and both are arguably the best two players imo.
Brisbane and gcs X2 will match bids on their acadamy kids and wce will take Sharp and Duursma with their pics. After bidding its not inconcievable that our first pick will be the dreaded #6. depends on us bidding Followed by pick 7.
Sam Grlj is a good pick for us and fits needs at 6. pace a real strength.
The one that interests me is Duff- Tyler if considered the best available will we take another tall ? at 7. Personally sam Cumming and Josh Lindsay address real list needs and are rated in the top 10.
Would not hesitate to bid on Dylan Patterson with our first pick and just to keep the cheating bastards honest id follow up and bid on Uwland as well even though im not a big fan on him.
One i do like a bit is western australian Jacob Farrow who will go top 20 at least. Need to find a way to get into this draft at the top end.
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Cal Twomey (from today’s Gettable) thinks Sullivan Robey is a now a top 10-15 prospect
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Twomey reckons Duursma and Duff-Tytler are now the clear top 2 as far as the open market draftees and the Eagles likely picks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-OhFYYxnRo
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I feel like the narrative has shifted lately in that if starcevich chooses to go to the eagles, we’ll have pick 2 and 3 come draft night.
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Twomey reckons Duursma and Duff-Tytler are now the clear top 2 as far as the open market draftees and the Eagles likely picks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-OhFYYxnRo
Doubt they pass on sharp
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I feel like the narrative has shifted lately in that if starcevich chooses to go to the eagles, we’ll have pick 2 and 3 come draft night.
.they'll trade for him instead , or not take him at all.
More chance of a cold day in hell than them losing p2 sadly
Two of sharp CDT duursma at Richmond would be outstanding result. Perfect end to north death ride
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Sharp and CDT is probably my #1 preference.
I'm in danger of sounding like a broken record but our ruck stocks are essentially this:
Nank (workhorse + gets banged up)
Ryan (crap)
OHB (crap + likely to never debut)
Sims (kid + forward/ruck hybrid)
CDT is more of a ruck/forward hybrid and in 5+ years I think him tag-teaming the ruck/forward duties with Sims would be a great plan, with Armstrong and Faull the two permanent tall forwards.
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Sharp and CDT is probably my #1 preference.
I'm in danger of sounding like a broken record but our ruck stocks are essentially this:
Nank (workhorse + gets banged up)
Ryan (crap)
OHB (crap + likely to never debut)
Sims (kid + forward/ruck hybrid)
CDT is more of a ruck/forward hybrid and in 5+ years I think him tag-teaming the ruck/forward duties with Sims would be a great plan, with Armstrong and Faull the two permanent tall forwards.
Would be happy with duursma over sharp as well.
If you look at the projected future side - something like.
Miller. Gibcus. Balta.
Brown. Trainor. Banks.
Rioli. Smillie. Mansell.
Algar. Faull. Lalor.
Campbell. Armstrong. Taranto.
Sims. Hotton. McAuliffe
The wings looks close to the greatest area of weakness. Duursma would instantly improve that.
Other options like trezsie and co. Are suboptimal too. .
CDT is a risk but you don't often get the chance to take unicorns and as you say he'd pair with Sims and replace nank perfectly in theory.
New rules should help too
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I’m still hopeful CDT is taken by our pick but if he’s there you gotta grab him I guess.
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Sharp and CDT is probably my #1 preference.
I'm in danger of sounding like a broken record but our ruck stocks are essentially this:
Nank (workhorse + gets banged up)
Ryan (crap)
OHB (crap + likely to never debut)
Sims (kid + forward/ruck hybrid)
CDT is more of a ruck/forward hybrid and in 5+ years I think him tag-teaming the ruck/forward duties with Sims would be a great plan, with Armstrong and Faull the two permanent tall forwards.
I’d like to see OHB get a chance before writing him off.
Odds are against him but he has developed well as a Cat B rookie and looks promising at VFL level.
If we have a rookie spot available I’d like to see them upgrade him to Cat A so he can get some exposure at AFL level.
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
If it is a waste. Why do you think there is a good chance of wce taking CDT? NicNat was a very good player.
In a weak draft , with a clear top3. *
To not take him , if sharp and duursma are gone.
With the club holding picks 3 and 4 * , seems like madness IMHO.
More so when you consider he can play forward and nank is cooked and there is nothing in reserve.
* Of the available draft pool
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
If it is a waste. Why do you think there is a good chance of wce taking CDT? NicNat was a very good player.
In a weak draft , with a clear top3. *
To not take him , if sharp and duursma are gone.
With the club holding picks 3 and 4 * , seems like madness IMHO.
More so when you consider he can play forward and nank is cooked and there is nothing in reserve.
* Of the available draft pool
If we look at the number 1 rucks from each team only 7 out of 18 are playing for the team they were originally drafted for and the highest pick used being English at pick 19.
Not saying we should pass on CDT if he’s available but it’s why I’m hoping he’s already taken. Past history just clearly shows that using such a top end pick on a ruck very rarely works out, even moreso the current iteration of the AFL.
Adelaide - ROB - rookie draft pick
Geelong - Rhys Stanley - traded from saints for end of 1st rounder
Brisbane - Darcy Fort - traded from Geelong from 3rd rounder
Collingwood - Darcy Cameron - traded from swans for basically nothing
GWS - Briggs - drafted 2nd round
Freo - Jackson - traded from dees for 2 x 1st rounders & 2nd rounder
Suns - Witts - traded from pies for 3rd rounders
Hawks - Meek - traded from freo as steaknives in Omeara deal.
WBD - English - drafted pick 19
Swans - Grundy - basically given away first by Collingwood and then by Melbourne
Blues - Pittonet - traded from hawks for 3rd rounder
Saints - Marshall - rookie draft pick
Port - Sweet - traded from dogs for 3rd round pick.
Dees - Gawn - drafted 2nd round
Essendon - Bryan - drafted 2nd round
North - Xerri - drafted 5th round
Richmond - Nank - traded from swans for 3rd rounder.
WCE - Flynn- free agent from GWS
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We will have so much cap space we should be able to bring in a Ruck to replace Nank so I'd be drafting 2 mids with 2/3. If available and Bombers hot for CDT then maybe they trade up for pick 5 & something else? Who knows
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Sharp and CDT is probably my #1 preference.
I'm in danger of sounding like a broken record but our ruck stocks are essentially this:
Nank (workhorse + gets banged up)
Ryan (crap)
OHB (crap + likely to never debut)
Sims (kid + forward/ruck hybrid)
CDT is more of a ruck/forward hybrid and in 5+ years I think him tag-teaming the ruck/forward duties with Sims would be a great plan, with Armstrong and Faull the two permanent tall forwards.
I’d like to see OHB get a chance before writing him off.
Odds are against him but he has developed well as a Cat B rookie and looks promising at VFL level.
If we have a rookie spot available I’d like to see them upgrade him to Cat A so he can get some exposure at AFL level.
I hope you're right. My confidence isn't very high but I suppose he's only been on the list two years.
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
Just gotta nail the pick. Plenty of good rucks go early.
NicNat (2), Jackson (3), Kreuzer (1), Ryder (7). All top shelf.
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Ty Bickery 8
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
Just gotta nail the pick. Plenty of good rucks go early.
NicNat (2), Jackson (3), Kreuzer (1), Ryder (7). All top shelf.
And Jackson the only one with a flag, who played with the best ruckman ever arguably.
History will say a high pick ruckman is just not required to win a flag.
Anyway if we do end up with CDT I hope he’s a winner, just don’t see it. Time will tell !
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
Just gotta nail the pick. Plenty of good rucks go early.
NicNat (2), Jackson (3), Kreuzer (1), Ryder (7). All top shelf.
And Jackson the only one with a flag, who played with the best ruckman ever arguably.
History will say a high pick ruckman is just not required to win a flag.
Anyway if we do end up with CDT I hope he’s a winner, just don’t see it. Time will tell !
I get your point about the premiership link and it's a good point.
I think what interests me is that he can play forward also.
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
Thilthorpe who would be on the list of most valuable player in the league; age/talent. Rucked a third of the game in the crows final.
Darcy has played ruck too.
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A high pack is just wasted in a ruckman imo
Duursma will not be available with our pick
west coast will take either Duursma/sharp or Duursma/CDT
If it is a waste. Why do you think there is a good chance of wce taking CDT? NicNat was a very good player.
In a weak draft , with a clear top3. *
To not take him , if sharp and duursma are gone.
With the club holding picks 3 and 4 * , seems like madness IMHO.
More so when you consider he can play forward and nank is cooked and there is nothing in reserve.
* Of the available draft pool
If we look at the number 1 rucks from each team only 7 out of 18 are playing for the team they were originally drafted for and the highest pick used being English at pick 19.
Not saying we should pass on CDT if he’s available but it’s why I’m hoping he’s already taken. Past history just clearly shows that using such a top end pick on a ruck very rarely works out, even moreso the current iteration of the AFL.
Adelaide - ROB - rookie draft pick
Geelong - Rhys Stanley - traded from saints for end of 1st rounder
Brisbane - Darcy Fort - traded from Geelong from 3rd rounder
Collingwood - Darcy Cameron - traded from swans for basically nothing
GWS - Briggs - drafted 2nd round
Freo - Jackson - traded from dees for 2 x 1st rounders & 2nd rounder
Suns - Witts - traded from pies for 3rd rounders
Hawks - Meek - traded from freo as steaknives in Omeara deal.
WBD - English - drafted pick 19
Swans - Grundy - basically given away first by Collingwood and then by Melbourne
Blues - Pittonet - traded from hawks for 3rd rounder
Saints - Marshall - rookie draft pick
Port - Sweet - traded from dogs for 3rd round pick.
Dees - Gawn - drafted 2nd round
Essendon - Bryan - drafted 2nd round
North - Xerri - drafted 5th round
Richmond - Nank - traded from swans for 3rd rounder.
WCE - Flynn- free agent from GWS
What is the point of listing every team when all fail bar one every season?
Ideally you'd get a superstar ruckman in the 4th round but that's very hard to do.
The saints have just given tdk one of the biggest contracts in football. Indicating some clubs are still thinking good bigs are important.
I'm not high on player rating but Jackson (very high pick) and xerri were top 5 all season.
Gawn being the best players in a flag winning season isn't an argument against a good ruck.
If you get cdt and he works out Richmond have hopefully finished the spine for the rebuild.
Fwd/ruck: CDT. Sims.
Fwd: Faull. Armstrong.
Back: Trainor. Gibcus. Balta. Miller.
You could also argue the past doesn't matter much as much as the future. You'd much rather a Jackson. Thilthorpe. Or even xerri than not.
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I think you misunderstand a few points.
1. TDK is somewhat of a proven player, not a draftee. And even with that said there isn’t a person that thinks he isn’t being tremendously overpaid.
2. The point on Gawn is that yes Jackson is a high pick and a premiership ruckman, but he played with the best ruckman the game has ever seen so clearly Jackson’s impact is less meaningful, also Gawn was drafted 34th…
3. What really matters is how many premiership ruckmen are 1st round picks.. I think it’s 5 in the last 20 years and 4 of them were then traded to the team they won a flag with.. if that doesn’t speak volumes then I don’t know what does.
Fair enough to say it’s more about the future. And bloody oath id take a Xerri type, drafted 72nd btw.
I’d be more on the CDT bandwagon if he looked a generational talent like Nic Nat, but he’s not even close IMO.
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I think you misunderstand a few points.
1. TDK is somewhat of a proven player, not a draftee. And even with that said there isn’t a person that thinks he isn’t being tremendously overpaid.
2. The point on Gawn is that yes Jackson is a high pick and a premiership ruckman, but he played with the best ruckman the game has ever seen so clearly Jackson’s impact is less meaningful, also Gawn was drafted 34th…
3. What really matters is how many premiership ruckmen are 1st round picks.. I think it’s 5 in the last 20 years and 4 of them were then traded to the team they won a flag with.. if that doesn’t speak volumes then I don’t know what does.
Fair enough to say it’s more about the future. And bloody oath id take a Xerri type, drafted 72nd btw.
I’d be more on the CDT bandwagon if he looked a generational talent like Nic Nat, but he’s not even close IMO.
TDK's wage is irrelevant though. He's a good player but was taken at P30. I'm mostly focused here on the top 5-10 picks/year.
Jackson is a dead set gun player and ruck. Playing with Gawn is irrelevant also. We'd instantly be a better team if we swapped Nank for him.
Regarding point 3...proportionally how many rucks are playing or picked vs mids and other positions? We often play with 1-2/23 players. So if there's 5 in the last 20 years I still think that's a good return given how few ruck positions there are in the AFL.
I think the ultimate example though is Darcy as a forward/ruck. No idea if CDT has that ceiling though?
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I think you misunderstand a few points.
1. TDK is somewhat of a proven player, not a draftee. And even with that said there isn’t a person that thinks he isn’t being tremendously overpaid.
2. The point on Gawn is that yes Jackson is a high pick and a premiership ruckman, but he played with the best ruckman the game has ever seen so clearly Jackson’s impact is less meaningful, also Gawn was drafted 34th…
3. What really matters is how many premiership ruckmen are 1st round picks.. I think it’s 5 in the last 20 years and 4 of them were then traded to the team they won a flag with.. if that doesn’t speak volumes then I don’t know what does.
Fair enough to say it’s more about the future. And bloody oath id take a Xerri type, drafted 72nd btw.
I’d be more on the CDT bandwagon if he looked a generational talent like Nic Nat, but he’s not even close IMO.
TDK's wage is irrelevant though. He's a good player but was taken at P30. I'm mostly focused here on the top 5-10 picks/year.
Jackson is a dead set gun player and ruck. Playing with Gawn is irrelevant also. We'd instantly be a better team if we swapped Nank for him.
Regarding point 3...proportionally how many rucks are playing or picked vs mids and other positions? We often play with 1-2/23 players. So if there's 5 in the last 20 years I still think that's a good return given how few ruck positions there are in the AFL.
I think the ultimate example though is Darcy as a forward/ruck. No idea if CDT has that ceiling though?
My post was referring to ajGreen who mentioned tdks contract.
And the Gawn thing is relevant because Jackson is one of the few first round picks who is a premiership ruckman, but he played with Gawn who at the time was a far better player and is arguably the best ruckman the game has ever seen who was also ironically drafted late. It’s a hypothetical but you’d have to think without Gawn, Jackson wouldn’t be a premiership ruckman.
That’s true the ruck pool is a lot smaller, but still the stats show basically 25% of premiership ruckman are 1st rd picks and 80% of those 1st round picks won at a team that did not draft the.
Of course all this doesn’t matter if CDT turns out to be a gun
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I think you misunderstand a few points.
1. TDK is somewhat of a proven player, not a draftee. And even with that said there isn’t a person that thinks he isn’t being tremendously overpaid.
2. The point on Gawn is that yes Jackson is a high pick and a premiership ruckman, but he played with the best ruckman the game has ever seen so clearly Jackson’s impact is less meaningful, also Gawn was drafted 34th…
3. What really matters is how many premiership ruckmen are 1st round picks.. I think it’s 5 in the last 20 years and 4 of them were then traded to the team they won a flag with.. if that doesn’t speak volumes then I don’t know what does.
Fair enough to say it’s more about the future. And bloody oath id take a Xerri type, drafted 72nd btw.
I’d be more on the CDT bandwagon if he looked a generational talent like Nic Nat, but he’s not even close IMO.
TDK's wage is irrelevant though. He's a good player but was taken at P30. I'm mostly focused here on the top 5-10 picks/year.
Jackson is a dead set gun player and ruck. Playing with Gawn is irrelevant also. We'd instantly be a better team if we swapped Nank for him.
Regarding point 3...proportionally how many rucks are playing or picked vs mids and other positions? We often play with 1-2/23 players. So if there's 5 in the last 20 years I still think that's a good return given how few ruck positions there are in the AFL.
I think the ultimate example though is Darcy as a forward/ruck. No idea if CDT has that ceiling though?
My post was referring to ajGreen who mentioned tdks contract.
And the Gawn thing is relevant because Jackson is one of the few first round picks who is a premiership ruckman, but he played with Gawn who at the time was a far better player and is arguably the best ruckman the game has ever seen who was also ironically drafted late. It’s a hypothetical but you’d have to think without Gawn, Jackson wouldn’t be a premiership ruckman.
That’s true the ruck pool is a lot smaller, but still the stats show basically 25% of premiership ruckman are 1st rd picks and 80% of those 1st round picks won at a team that did not draft the.
Of course all this doesn’t matter if CDT turns out to be a gun
Only if 'premiership ruckman' is your sole or primary measuring stick.
As for the 80% of 1st round rucks who were traded out...not sure that's relevant although I can appreciate the point that we should target a ruck via trade/FA
It doesn't really change the fact that out of say 20 years, 5 premiership rucks came out of the 1st round of the draft. I think that's actually quite a strong representation given how few are actually drafted in the first round?
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Fair view, I just look at it differently that the overwhelming majority of teams win the flag without a 1st round ruckman.
Anyway this isn’t a hill I’ll die on and if we draft CDT I’ll be hoping I’m completely wrong
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I’m on the same page as you Simonater.
History and current AFL team makeups suggest your more likely to recycle your ruckman from other clubs then to keep one that you’ve drafted, even less so drafted with a 1st round pick, even less so with a top5 pick.
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Draft Watch
Ben Waterworth
Foxsports
12 Sep 2025
CLEAR TOP SIX EMERGE
While the likes of Sullivan Robey and Oskar Taylor have worked their way into draft night one calculations, they’re still considered by AFL clubs a level below this year’s top draft prospects.
Most AFL club sources surveyed by foxfooty.com.au this week suggested a gap between the top six prospects and the rest of the draft pool had opened up.
Four of those players are already club-tied: Gold Coast academy duo Zeke Uwland and Dylan Patterson, Brisbane academy midfielder Daniel Annable and Carlton father-son prospect Harry Dean. Annable’s post-champs form for Brisbane’s VFL side has been particularly striking, averaging 25 disposals across an impressive five-game stretch.
The other two players are Calder Cannons forward-ruck Cooper Duff-Tytler and Gippsland Power utility Willem Duursma, who’ve only enhanced their standing in the pool since the champs.
A potential AFL unicorn at 200cm, Duff-Tytler has impressed draft watchers with his unique athleticism, aerial ability, competitiveness, speed, strong overhead marking skills and cleanliness with ball in hand, especially below his knees for a player of his size. Yet clubs in recent weeks have been particularly pleased with his forward 50 craft, booting 2.5 from 21 touches and 11 marks against Oakleigh before kicking 1.2 from 13 disposals and four marks against the Ranges. It came after he booted 3.2 from 13 touches for Essendon’s VFL side against the Zebras.
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Willem Duursma of the Power. Picture: Craig Dooley/AFL Photos
Source: Herald Sun
And Duursma has surely quashed any doubts over him since his excellent national carnival campaign where he took out Vic Country’s MVP award. Playing more midfield-forward for Gippsland, Duursma has kicked 7.8 and averaged 21.5 disposals and 6.5 tackles from his past four Talent League outings. It came after two VFL games for Casey Demons where he had 17 touches and 10 marks against Sandringham then 20 disposals and six marks against Brisbane. He plays with edge and intensity, while his versatility to play in any third of the ground appeals to AFL clubs.
Rival teams, at this stage, believe if West Coast received Pick 2 as free agency compensation for losing Oscar Allen, the Eagles would use the first two picks to draft Duursma and Duff-Tytler, possibly amid bids on club-tied talent.
AND BEYOND THAT?
This is where it gets tricky – because for many clubs, you could throw a blanket over the next group of players when it comes to ranking them.
Central District duo Dyson Sharp and Aidan Schubert, Geelong Falcons defender Josh Lindsay, big-bodied Eastern Ranges midfielder Ollie Greeves, West Adelaide forward Mitch Marsh and North Adelaide mid-forward Sam Cumming are all in the top-10 mix after strong draft years.
But what’s important to note about this area of the 2025 draft is after West Coast’s selections, Richmond and Essendon hold the next four picks with two back-to-back selections each. And in a draft where the top-end isn’t as sharp as previous years, sources wouldn’t be surprised if the Tigers and Bombers were more selective, brave and prepared to pick on a needs basis.
It’s why one club said they wouldn’t be shocked if the Tigers used one of their top picks to take a player like Oakleigh Chargers midfielder Sam Grlj – a well-rounded prospect with a great combination of speed, power and endurance. The 182cm prospect has had a strong finish to his 2025 campaign, with hauls of 18 and 15 disposals playing predominantly off half-back in two eye-catching VFL outings for, coincidentally, Richmond.
“His leadership, his exuberance and his excitement to be part of our program, and to be himself, was outstanding,” Tigers VFL coach Jake Batchelor told the club’s website after Grlj’s debut against Gold Coast.
“And we saw on the track out there today he’s got speed, he’s got ‘smarts’, he’s got sidesteps and agility.
“He’s going to be a heck of a player.”
There’s also lots of hype around Ranges medium defender Xavier Taylor, who’s only enhanced his draft prospects since his eye-catching national carnival with Vic Metro. Taylor has been a picture of consistency for Eastern, averaging 19.1 disposals and 5.8 marks across his past six games and 18.4 disposals across his entire 15-game season. Some scouts have likened him to three-time premiership Tiger Nathan Broad as a hybrid third defender who has the athleticism and versatility to either lock down or intercept while playing on forwards of different sizes.
Throw exciting small forward Lachy Dovaston – who’s kicked 34 goals for Eastern this season, including seven in its two finals wins so far – in with Xavier Taylor, Oskar Taylor and Greeves and the Ranges loom as one the big draft winners among Coates Talent League clubs this season.
The other possible top-10 watch is West Perth defender Jacob Farrow, who’s now widely seen as WA’s best 2025 draft prospect.
Likened to Adelaide captain Jordan Dawson for his strength, composure, kicking, running and rebounding ability, Farrow averaged 19.0 disposals and 4.8 marks and went at an impressive 87 per cent efficiency by foot from his four carnival matches for WA. Upon return, Farrow played three WAFL league matches for West Perth and impressed with an average of 17.7 disposals before returning to colts.
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Jacob Farrow of Western Australia. Picture: Paul Kane/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
Source: Getty Images
Farrow has fans at clubs that hold early picks and is now rated well ahead of fellow WA prospects Sam Swadling, Fred Rodriguez, Toby Whan and Cody Curtin.
The wildcard remains Dandenong Stingrays prospect Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves, who has top-10 talent yet continues to split scouts with his game-to-game consistency.
The silky 186cm prospect’s best is brilliant. It was on display at the national carnival in Vic Country’s tight loss to WA, booting four goals from 18 disposals as he hit the scoreboard when the game was up for grabs. Hibbins-Hargreaves then had a strong finish with the Stingrays, highlighted by a breathtaking five-goal, 29-disposal, eight-mark display against the GWV Rebels.
In what has been a rollercoaster, injury-impacted year for Hibbins-Hargreaves, some scouts believe they’ve seen more ‘highs’ from the Stingray across the back-half of the season. But whether they’d be prepared to invest in him with a top-end pick remains unclear.
One source suggested Hibbins-Hargreaves would suit a club that has multiple picks close together. Teams like West Coast, Richmond and Essendon all have multiple selections close together within the top 25.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-latest-news-2025-date-order-of-picks-sullivan-robey-a-clayton-oliverlike-bolter-willem-duursma-and-r-dufftytler-west-coast-sam-grlj-richmond-latrelle-sumnerpickett/news-story/e5915f190bdc29c19fdf77435386b66a
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Just get the best older ruckman available for now. A bit like Naismith just don't get one thats so injury prone.
Essendon with Goldstein did similar. theres your ruck back up for big Toby and rather than investing in a duff tyler type go and actually look at all the 18 thru 22 year olds running around that have the right frames will definately be the right size and have enough good attributes to succeed and take him late or rookie..
Big Caleb May 208cm from sth australia will probably have a club look at him late and why not.
Sam Ainsworth around 200cm has a big leap may be about at pick 30 -40.For me going into year two of rebuild with just two nd picks is ludicrous
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Fox sports saying - Sullivan Robey rise has been largest since Clayton Oliver. Who went at 4
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Just get the best older ruckman available for now. A bit like Naismith just don't get one thats so injury prone.
Essendon with Goldstein did similar. theres your ruck back up for big Toby and rather than investing in a duff tyler type go and actually look at all the 18 thru 22 year olds running around that have the right frames will definately be the right size and have enough good attributes to succeed and take him late or rookie..
Big Caleb May 208cm from sth australia will probably have a club look at him late and why not.
Sam Ainsworth around 200cm has a big leap may be about at pick 30 -40.For me going into year two of rebuild with just two nd picks is ludicrous
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The Jasper Algar recruitment was excellent work and the other pick was required for the north future 1st.
Both sound moves even if it leaves ha short currently.
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Updated combined #AFLdraft Power Rankings from @CalTwomey, @zerohanger, @RookieMeCentral, @Jasperc53, @FOXFOOTY, @codesportsau
Rise or fall from last month included.
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https://x.com/Snrubthoughts/status/1963434636014714975
Surely you have to take who ever is left of duursma, sharp, CDT (?)
this was in the HUN today
Hawthorn could give the Bombers pick eight (from Carlton) for Merrett which could be used to secure one of this year’s big draft bolsters, 192cm ballwinner Sullivan Robey.
any good?
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Ollie Greeves 35 disposals and 4 goals
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Just get the best older ruckman available for now. A bit like Naismith just don't get one thats so injury prone.
Essendon with Goldstein did similar. theres your ruck back up for big Toby and rather than investing in a duff tyler type go and actually look at all the 18 thru 22 year olds running around that have the right frames will definately be the right size and have enough good attributes to succeed and take him late or rookie..
Big Caleb May 208cm from sth australia will probably have a club look at him late and why not.
Sam Ainsworth around 200cm has a big leap may be about at pick 30 -40.For me going into year two of rebuild with just two nd picks is ludicrous
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The Jasper Algar recruitment was excellent work and the other pick was required for the north future 1st.
Both sound moves even if it leaves ha short currently.
They have had nearly 12 months to consider ways to get back into the draft look at possible trades and likely free agents and turnover players.
Grave concerns if they truly think turning over just 3 or 4 players is adequate.
Plenty of mature types can be looked at in all of the Psd Rookie draft PSSS and msd we should be have been planning for it this time last year.
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Long time lurker, finally got myself an account to get involved on the back of having picks 2 and 3.
Does anyone think we'll take Robey, the bolter out of Eastern?
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Not unless we split one of our picks up for a couple / few other first rounders with an offer that’s too good to be true from a club desperate for a certain kid.
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Long time lurker, finally got myself an account to get involved on the back of having picks 2 and 3.
Does anyone think we'll take Robey, the bolter out of Eastern?
Simonator thinks we should trade up to P1 to get him :lol
(jokes Simon).
But seriously, Simon is keen to trade down from 3 to 2x top 10-15's to get him maybe etc.
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These guys seem to really rate him - I can't remember someone coming so hard so late ...
https://x.com/readingtheplay1/status/1965667110597918727
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Long time lurker, finally got myself an account to get involved on the back of having picks 2 and 3.
Does anyone think we'll take Robey, the bolter out of Eastern?
Simonator thinks we should trade up to P1 to get him :lol
(jokes Simon).
But seriously, Simon is keen to trade down from 3 to 2x top 10-15's to get him maybe etc.
I’ve never suggested we trade down at all. I don’t care if we miss out on Robey as long as we get cumming. One or both will go top 6-7 in the open draft that’s for sure
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Long time lurker, finally got myself an account to get involved on the back of having picks 2 and 3.
Does anyone think we'll take Robey, the bolter out of Eastern?
Simonator thinks we should trade up to P1 to get him :lol
(jokes Simon).
But seriously, Simon is keen to trade down from 3 to 2x top 10-15's to get him maybe etc.
I’ve never suggested we trade down at all. I don’t care if we miss out on Robey as long as we get cumming. One or both will go top 6-7 in the open draft that’s for sure
Must have been someone else suggesting we split P3, my bad.
Going to be an interesting one without a very clear top 5-10
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FWIW I do think robey will be too much of a reach with picks 3 and 4, just not enough body of work. Midfielders probably rank in this order imo
Sharp, Duursma (may not end up a midfielder so hard to say), Cumming, Greeves, Then fair game after that. I just have Grlj and cumming over Greeves and sharp as I think they address more of a need for us since we have Lalor, Smillie and Kmac2, let alone Taranto and hopper.
Robey and Cumming are very similar players imo and theres an element of the unknown with both given Cummings injury and Robey’s late bloom
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These guys seem to really rate him - I can't remember someone coming so hard so late ...
https://x.com/readingtheplay1/status/1965667110597918727
In a pre-draft discussion, recruiting expert Brett Anderson noted that Oliver was "virtually unknown" to most clubs at the season’s midpoint, with his early TAC Cup games limited by injury and inconsistent form
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FWIW I do think robey will be too much of a reach with picks 3 and 4, just not enough body of work. Midfielders probably rank in this order imo
Sharp, Duursma (may not end up a midfielder so hard to say), Cumming, Greeves, Then fair game after that. I just have Grlj and cumming over Greeves and sharp as I think they address more of a need for us since we have Lalor, Smillie and Kmac2, let alone Taranto and hopper.
Robey and Cumming are very similar players imo and theres an element of the unknown with both given Cummings injury and Robey’s late bloom
Robey is almost 6'4 which is a point of difference between mids like Cummings.
Also late birthday which could indicate footy upside and physical growth
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FWIW I do think robey will be too much of a reach with picks 3 and 4, just not enough body of work. Midfielders probably rank in this order imo
Sharp, Duursma (may not end up a midfielder so hard to say), Cumming, Greeves, Then fair game after that. I just have Grlj and cumming over Greeves and sharp as I think they address more of a need for us since we have Lalor, Smillie and Kmac2, let alone Taranto and hopper.
Robey and Cumming are very similar players imo and theres an element of the unknown with both given Cummings injury and Robey’s late bloom
Rubbish. We must pick Robey. We need pace and ability to break away from stoppages and only Robey and Grjl have it in the 1st round this year.
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Pommy in Oz on the BF podcast mock draft chose Lindsay and Cumming for us at our first two picks.
Note: ignoring bids by clubs for academy kids
1. WCE - Dyson Sharp
2. WCE - Willem Duursma
3. Rich - Josh Lindsay
4. Rich - Sam Cumming
5. Ess - Cooper Duff Tytler
6. Ess - Ollie Greeves
7. Ess - Xavier Taylor ..... Draper compo.
8. StK - Sam Grlj
9. Haw - Mitch Marsh
10. Carl - Harry Dean (F/S) ..... TDK compo.
11. Syd - Max King (Syd Academy)
12. Dogs - Lachy Dovaston
13. Freo - Jacob Farrow
14. GWS - Sullivan Robey
15. Adel - Jevan Phillipou
16. WCE - Aidan Schubert
17. Bris - Daniel Annable (Bris academy)
18. Geel - Archie Ludowyke
https://www.youtube.com/live/V8Tq-6vqFy8
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If dons get P7 for draper there should be a royal commission
Band 2 at best surely. Htf would lions afford a band 1 compo?
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If dons get P7 for draper there should be a royal commission
Band 2 at best surely. Htf would lions afford a band 1 compo?
They’re saying it’s most likely band 2 which is end of 1st round compo.
That is unless they do a dodgy and agree to change the terms to trigger band 1 under the hush hush wink wink agreement that bombers play ball and trade them Ridley for a lesser than draft pick.
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If dons get P7 for draper there should be a royal commission
Band 2 at best surely. Htf would lions afford a band 1 compo?
They’re saying it’s most likely band 2 which is end of 1st round compo.
That is unless they do a dodgy and agree to change the terms to trigger band 1 under the hush hush wink wink agreement that bombers play ball and trade them Ridley for a lesser than draft pick.
Don't forget the AFL can literally adjust the compensation if they deem is not appropriate, formula aside.
Dons are a basket case so they'll probably get Band 1, just like WCE will get it for Allen.
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If dons get P7 for draper there should be a royal commission
Band 2 at best surely. Htf would lions afford a band 1 compo?
They’re saying it’s most likely band 2 which is end of 1st round compo.
That is unless they do a dodgy and agree to change the terms to trigger band 1 under the hush hush wink wink agreement that bombers play ball and trade them Ridley for a lesser than draft pick.
Don't forget the AFL can literally adjust the compensation if they deem is not appropriate, formula aside.
Dons are a basket case so they'll probably get Band 1, just like WCE will get it for Allen.
Yeah i can see the AFL giving them band 1 as it looks like they’ll lose Merrett, Ridley, Laverde and Draper this off-season.
At least it doesn’t impact our picks.
The sooner the AFL get rid of FA compo altogether the better. Pretty much rewarding clubs for not being able to hold onto their players.
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Also prevents matching bids too.
Just get rid of compo
Let clubs trade players wherever tf they want if they want out
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Just get rid of compo
Let clubs trade players wherever tf they want if they want out
^^^ this
Have said it many, many times....
FA only favours the players...
To even things up Clubs should be able to trade contracted players to whichever Club they want, the one that offers the best deal
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Pommy in Oz on the BF podcast mock draft chose Lindsay and Cumming for us at our first two picks.
Note: ignoring bids by clubs for academy kids
1. WCE - Dyson Sharp
2. WCE - Willem Duursma
3. Rich - Josh Lindsay
4. Rich - Sam Cumming
5. Ess - Cooper Duff Tytler
6. Ess - Ollie Greeves
7. Ess - Xavier Taylor ..... Draper compo.
8. StK - Sam Grlj
9. Haw - Mitch Marsh
10. Carl - Harry Dean (F/S) ..... TDK compo.
11. Syd - Max King (Syd Academy)
12. Dogs - Lachy Dovaston
13. Freo - Jacob Farrow
14. GWS - Sullivan Robey
15. Adel - Jevan Phillipou
16. WCE - Aidan Schubert
17. Bris - Daniel Annable (Bris academy)
18. Geel - Archie Ludowyke
https://www.youtube.com/live/V8Tq-6vqFy8
Undersized back pocket and. Guy that might be another ralphsmith. ..
Norf licking their chops
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Pommy in Oz on the BF podcast mock draft chose Lindsay and Cumming for us at our first two picks.
Note: ignoring bids by clubs for academy kids
1. WCE - Dyson Sharp
2. WCE - Willem Duursma
3. Rich - Josh Lindsay
4. Rich - Sam Cumming
5. Ess - Cooper Duff Tytler
6. Ess - Ollie Greeves
7. Ess - Xavier Taylor ..... Draper compo.
8. StK - Sam Grlj
9. Haw - Mitch Marsh
10. Carl - Harry Dean (F/S) ..... TDK compo.
11. Syd - Max King (Syd Academy)
12. Dogs - Lachy Dovaston
13. Freo - Jacob Farrow
14. GWS - Sullivan Robey
15. Adel - Jevan Phillipou
16. WCE - Aidan Schubert
17. Bris - Daniel Annable (Bris academy)
18. Geel - Archie Ludowyke
https://www.youtube.com/live/V8Tq-6vqFy8
These guys had Ludowkye at #31 - they seem to be doing a top 50 draftees countdown:
https://readingtheplay.wordpress.com/2025/09/17/2025-draft-power-rankings-31-40/
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Just get rid of compo
Let clubs trade players wherever tf they want if they want out
^^^ this
Have said it many, many times....
FA only favours the players...
To even things up Clubs should be able to trade contracted players to whichever Club they want, the one that offers the best deal
AFLPA will never ever agree to this.
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Cal Twomey sounding increasingly confident wce taking Duursma and CDT.
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RICHMOND VFL prospect Harry Scott has won an invitation to test at the state Draft Combine next month, in a sure sign the midfielder is in the sights of AFL clubs.
Scott has moved from the wing to the midfield this season and caught the eye of clubs looking for another success story from the Tigers' VFL program.
The 20-year-old, 191cm prospect has averaged 21 disposals this season and had a strong second half of the year and will take part in the State Combine on Sunday, October 5.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1421711/inside-trading-swans-move-on-pre-agent-cat-locked-in-big-hawk-set-for-new-deal
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Posted by a West Coast supporter.
Cal Twomey sounding increasingly confident we’re [Eagles] taking Duursma and CDT.
https://x.com/nuffingtonpost/status/1968150661599748475
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Cumming & Robey :shh
Grilj… future 2nd ;)
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Sharp, Cumming, Kellaway then
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Posted by a West Coast supporter.
Cal Twomey sounding increasingly confident we’re [Eagles] taking Duursma and CDT.
https://x.com/nuffingtonpost/status/1968150661599748475
Hes has been pretty consistent with that all year and Twomey usually nails the first 10-15 picks every year.
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yes he does, never this far out though, still over 2 months away
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Posted by a West Coast supporter.
Cal Twomey sounding increasingly confident we’re [Eagles] taking Duursma and CDT.
https://x.com/nuffingtonpost/status/1968150661599748475
Hes has been pretty consistent with that all year and Twomey usually nails the first 10-15 picks every year.
I hope he’s right.
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A big assumption that WC will get the second pick if they recruit Staravich
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A big assumption that WC will get the second pick if they recruit Staravich
They won't take Staravich if there is any risk losing pick two.
It's a shame as two of sharp. Duursma. CDT would be good result for tigers
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A big assumption that WC will get the second pick if they recruit Staravich
They won't take Staravich if there is any risk losing pick.
It's a shame as two of sharp. Duursma. CDT would be good result for tigers
They made trade him in.
They have 1, 2 (Allen), 15, 19, 33 and 51.
33 and 51 won't do it.
I reckon it would be an offer of 19, Bris would want 15, which would slip to around anyway. Probably around the mark for an established player.
They should pick up Blight too IMO.
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Ryan Daniels
@FootyRhino
Wce approach to Brandon Starcevich is for a deal up to 6 years
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Ryan Daniels
@FootyRhino
Wce approach to Brandon Starcevich is for a deal up to 6 years
Holy heck.
No way Brisbane would match that length, surely.
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Id be happy to get back into the draft via a young trade. Already 27. Don't rate him as highly as others.
That's said, young. Kosi. Blight out in the same window isn't ideal.
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Eastern win the U18s. Greeves had 24. Robey kicked 4 from 13 disposals. Not sure where he played.
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Eastern win the U18s. Greeves had 24. Robey kicked 4 from 13 disposals. Not sure where he played.
What a day for Eastern Ranges, winning the Coates Talent League Boys and Girls grand finals. The boys won by 15 points to end the Sandy Dragons' run of flags. Four goals for Sully Robey and 29 disposals for Blake Chambers. Lachy Dovaston prominent too with 24 and two goals.
https://x.com/PaulAmy375/status/1969270124218663161
Sullivan Robey .... Is doing everything right to surge into the top 10 picks in the draft
https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1969264997441098014
I suspect it’ll be Richmond or Essendon for young Sullivan
https://x.com/Tommy_Wolfe7/status/1969270106115952810
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Xavier Taylor named best afield for Eastern Ranges in Coates League Grand Final win. He’s a gun. 25 disposals and 15 marks patrolling defence. There’s some shades of Nick Vlastuin and Josh Weddle and he’s a top-10 player this year.
https://x.com/CalTwomey/status/1969271685942477181
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Geez these ranges guys have all boosted their draft stocks.
Taylor looks afl ready
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shades of Nick Vlastuin sounds nice
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Are people suggesting we use pick 2-3 on a player like Robey who is projected to go 30+?
I don’t know anything about the kid and he may end up being the pick of the draft for all I know but that is an incredible risk to take on a seriously shallow draft.
Almost certain we are just going to take 2 out of Duursma, CDT, Sharp, Lindsay, Cumming or Greeves.
@RileyBev
Sullivan Robey's rise as 2025's biggest draft bolter made all the more remarkable by the fact he's finished the season playing with a crack in his collarbone.
Toughed it out during a huge finals series and finished with four goals in Eastern's Grand Final win today
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Are people suggesting we use pick 2-3 on a player like Robey who is projected to go 30+?
I don’t know anything about the kid and he may end up being the pick of the draft for all I know but that is an incredible risk to take on a seriously shallow draft.
Almost certain we are just going to take 2 out of Duursma, CDT, Sharp, Lindsay, Cumming or Greeves.
@RileyBev
Sullivan Robey's rise as 2025's biggest draft bolter made all the more remarkable by the fact he's finished the season playing with a crack in his collarbone.
Toughed it out during a huge finals series and finished with four goals in Eastern's Grand Final win today
Is that why he played permanently forward today?
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Power rankings 21-30 from this Reading the Play website are out now too:
https://readingtheplay.wordpress.com/2025/09/21/2025-draft-power-rankings-21-30/
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I’m warming to Robey
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I’m warming to Robey
Me too
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From: Ed Pascoe
@EdPascoe_Draft
talent scout for Oakleigh Chargers.
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My updated top 20 rankings, it’s now onto the combine and rewatching footage with no more rankings updates until the draft proper in November.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1WjLxwbQAc7LCI?format=jpg&name=large)
A further 10 include Oskar Taylor, Archie Ludowyke, Beau Addinsall, Adam Sweid, Oliver Greeves, Max King, Jack Ison, Jack Dalton, Talor Byrne and Charlie Banfield. A few others very close aswell.
https://x.com/EdPascoe_Draft/status/1969659841653457317
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The AFL will decide tomorrow what the Eagles will get.
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MONDAY'S BACKROOM DECISIONS
For the Commission, the most immediate decision they have to make is on West Coast's bid for list assistance. The Eagles have made their final submission on their request for help after discussions with the AFL, and up to four extra rookie positions looks part of the likely outcome.
That would see the club be able to list more of its Next Generation Academy players, while also giving the Eagles room to add experienced players as rookies to bring experience to their list. West Coast has also raised receiving an end-of-first round pick that it can hold or be forced to trade, in a move that would make trading for Brisbane's Brandon Starcevich simpler given its pick hand.
Access to Academy players under pre-list terms without having to match a bid, like Gold Coast received in 2019-20, would also be high on their agenda.
As AFL.com.au revealed two weeks ago, their hope to get an exemption to not have their free agency compensation pick for Oscar Allen diluted by bringing in another free agent won't proceed but an extra pick from the AFL would be a workaround.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1425281/cal-culations-brisbane-lions-dynasty-just-starting-big-backroom-decisions-loom-collingwood-magpies-cliff-coming
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I’m warming to Robey
Me too
Not worried about picking someone at 3/4 based on 4-6 weeks of albeit scintillating Coates league form? I don’t think he ever represented vic metro at any point did he?
If that’s really where his consensus ranking is now then you have to do it but can’t say it doesn’t worry me using such a top end pick on someone who was considered outside the top30 1-2 months ago.
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I’m warming to Robey
Me too
Not worried about picking someone at 3/4 based on 4-6 weeks of albeit scintillating Coates league form? I don’t think he ever represented vic metro at any point did he?
If that’s really where his consensus ranking is now then you have to do it but can’t say it doesn’t worry me using such a top end pick on someone who was considered outside the top30 1-2 months ago.
Pascoe , who knows his stuff.
Having him as the 3rd best player outside academy guys is a big wrap
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I’m warming to Robey
Me too
Not worried about picking someone at 3/4 based on 4-6 weeks of albeit scintillating Coates league form? I don’t think he ever represented vic metro at any point did he?
If that’s really where his consensus ranking is now then you have to do it but can’t say it doesn’t worry me using such a top end pick on someone who was considered outside the top30 1-2 months ago.
Pascoe , who knows his stuff.
Having him as the 3rd best player outside academy guys is a big wrap
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I get it, but it’s awfully risky imo at such a high pick for such a short run of form.
Maybe this is the draft to take that risk at the top end considering consensus has always been there’s no standouts.
Assuming Sharp is available, I still think you’ve got to take him at our first pick.
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It’s definitely a risk. Gotta weigh up the potential returns
Someone like Duursma, who has obviously had a full year of good form, is also a risk though imo as he could become somewhat positionless at AFL level
Sharp is probably the best risk free option, however I don’t mind the club taking a punt with one of our picks.
Still prefer cumming over Robey
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The afl have apparently not announced wce getting pick 2 yet.
Was scheduled for today
:pray
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The fact they are delaying might be bad for the rest of the competition. What have they given them??
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They’re not announcing whether they will get pick 2 or not. That will be announced during the FA period based on Oscar Allen to the lions contract. They were meeting to discuss any further assistance they may give to them due to their crapness.
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The afl have apparently not announced wce getting pick 2 yet.
Was scheduled for today
:pray
Really?
Cannot announce it
As TK says can't be announced until the FA period starts
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The afl have apparently not announced wce getting pick 2 yet.
Was scheduled for today
:pray
Really?
Cannot announce it
As TK says can't be announced until the FA period starts
Makes sense. FA hasn't opened so they can't even table and offer yet technically?
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The afl have apparently not announced wce getting pick 2 yet.
Was scheduled for today
:pray
Really?
Cannot announce it
As TK says can't be announced until the FA period starts
Makes sense. FA hasn't opened so they can't even table and offer yet technically?
Correct. Guaranteed it will be the first one of one of the first ones tabled
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Twomeys latest phantom draft would see us taking Robey at 6 and Taylor at 7 assuming west coast get band 1 compo.
I’d rather Sharp who he has as next pick from available pool than Taylor especially if we take the gamble on Robey.
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Twomeys latest phantom draft would see us taking Robey at 6 and Taylor at 7 assuming west coast get band 1 compo.
I’d rather Sharp who he has as next pick from available pool than Taylor especially if we take the gamble on Robey.
Taylor :o
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Wce fans narrative shifted to taking Duursma and Robey
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This 11-20 draft ranking is interesting - some good players not in the top 10.
https://readingtheplay.wordpress.com/2025/09/24/2025-draft-power-rankings-11-20/
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Wce fans narrative shifted to taking Duursma and Robey
So we get Sharp and CDT/Cumming then? Fine by me.
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The fans narrative is irrelevant. I’d be banking on Twomeys phantom for the top 5 open draft picks atleast
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The fans narrative is irrelevant. I’d be banking on Twomeys phantom for the top 5 open draft picks atleast
Exactly this but still much time to change especially with the combine still to come.
I’m really hoping we take sharp. I get that he might be seen as a prototype midfielder from yesteryear without many dynamic traits but seems to me like a can’t miss 200 game consistent performing player. Would be the perfect foil if we were to take the imo risky choice in Robey with our other pick aswell.
Then we’d have a young midfield core of Lalor, Smillie, Hotton, Sharp, Robey, Kmac2 to hopefully form the nexus of our next contending side with TT, Hopper and Prestia to bridge the gap until they develop.
After that I think we should be going for a top end KPD player in 2026 draft and then start working on finding skilled/fast outside players.
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I’m happy as long as we take atleast one of Sharp,Cumming,Robey and Grlj
Understand the argument for sharp and wouldn’t blame the recruiters for taking him
As he’s the safest bet. Also don’t mind backing them in for a riskier prospect and backing in our development team to get it done
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Jon Ralph: The AFL will release the changes to the 2026 national draft bidding system next week and any Eagles draft assistance early next week after Andrew Dillon met Don Pyke this afternoon but any rule changes need more work and would go to the AFL commission again at the October meeting
Q: Do they get pick 2 @RalphyHeraldSun?? Tigers need to know
Jon Ralph: As free agency compo for Allen they will but not as a priority pick. So many ways they can get extra list spots, rookie picks to bring in young exciting NGA talent who can lift the pool of indigenous talent. They have asked for an end of first round pick but not a pre draft pick
https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1970463887398182982
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The fans narrative is irrelevant. I’d be banking on Twomeys phantom for the top 5 open draft picks atleast
That's true but twomey is also irrelevant this far out. He doesn't start zeroing int until the last week or even night before the draft.
His final mock is often pretty close to reality
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The fans narrative is irrelevant. I’d be banking on Twomeys phantom for the top 5 open draft picks atleast
Exactly this but still much time to change especially with the combine still to come.
I’m really hoping we take sharp. I get that he might be seen as a prototype midfielder from yesteryear without many dynamic traits but seems to me like a can’t miss 200 game consistent performing player. Would be the perfect foil if we were to take the imo risky choice in Robey with our other pick aswell.
Then we’d have a young midfield core of Lalor, Smillie, Hotton, Sharp, Robey, Kmac2 to hopefully form the nexus of our next contending side with TT, Hopper and Prestia to bridge the gap until they develop.
After that I think we should be going for a top end KPD player in 2026 draft and then start working on finding skilled/fast outside players.
Much of the talk this season has been sharp and smillie wouldn't be able to play in the same midfield together. Or function well together.
How much validity that has is another question but it's an interesting notion.
Thua people high on the like of Cumming or Grlj types even if it's a 'reach' and 3 and 4 *
* Prior to academy
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I know the game has moved to more hybrid role players but not sure there won’t ever be a time where your pure contested beast midfielders aren’t still big commodities in teams.
In terms of sharp and Smillie being too similar. It is a valid concern that I’ve considered myself, but I still think it’s far too early in our rebuild to pass up on the best ranked players because we already have a similar player.
Hopefully Smillie is an absolute get, but fact is he hasn’t played a single game, what would happen if he doesn’t make it at this level and then sharp goes on to become a star who we passed up on?
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Rowell is an inside mid, not much of a forward.
He goes alright.
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Not sure about the downers on Smillie i get the feeling people think he is slow but hes not. For his size
He currently is a a big mid but at 195cm we don't know what he may develop into.
For his size he is quick and he is a superb user.
Still think Grlj suits us to a tee with our second pick who we take with our first pick is the question.
people need to envision the list with out Taranto, Hopper, Prestia most likely dow and Ross. Imo for the next three seasons we need to be drafting mids of all types.
Sharp will fit in fine looking at the longer picture.
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@traderadio
"Clubs are divided on how highly they rate Ollie Greaves. You can't fault what he has done this season. He plays and looks a bit like Josh Smillie."
- Cal on Ollie Greaves being the great unknown
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Have not heard amazing things about Olly as a kid.
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Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' September ranking
Remember, this is a ranking of the best prospects and does not take into account where bids on father-son or Academy players will come or where the players will necessarily get selected.
1. Willem Duursma 21/06/2007 191cm Utility Gippsland Power/Vic Country (+2)
2. Zeke Uwland 24/04/2007 180cm Midfielder Gold Coast Academy/Allies (-1)
3. Cooper Duff-Tytler 22/08/2007 200cm Ruck Calder Cannons/Vic Metro (-1)
4. Dylan Patterson 01/09/2007 183cm Midfielder/Defender Gold Coast Academy/Allies
5. Daniel Annable 05/04/2007 183cm Midfielder Brisbane Academy/Allies
6. Sullivan Robey 04/10/2007 192cm Forward Eastern Ranges (new)
7. Xavier Taylor 30/01/2007 191cm Defender Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro (+2)
8. Harry Dean 13/11/2007 193cm Tall defender Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
9. Dyson Sharp 23/05/2007 187cm Midfielder Central District/South Australia (+3)
10. Aidan Schubert 21/12/2007 197cm Key Forward Central District/South Australia (+3)
11. Josh Lindsay 07/04/2007 183cm Defender/Midfielder Geelong Falcons/Vic Country (-4)
12. Jacob Farrow 21/09/2007 188cm Midfielder West Perth/Western Australia (+2)
13. Sam Grlj 26/07/2007 182cm Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro (-2)
14. Mitch Marsh 15/02/2007 191cm Forward West Adelaide/South Australia (-4)
15. Sam Cumming 27/07/2007 186cm Midfielder North Adelaide/South Australia (-3)
16. Oliver Greeves 07/02/2007 191cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro (-1)
17. Jevan Phillipou 30/03/2007 183cm Midfielder/Forward Woodville-West Torrens/SA
18. Lachy Dovaston 29/05/2007 177cm Small forward Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro (+2)
19. Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves 16/11/2007 186cm Forward/Midfielder Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country (-3)
20. Oskar Taylor 01/08/2007 182cm Defender Eastern Ranges (+2)
21. Archie Ludowyke 19/11/2007 197cm Key Forward Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro (-2)
22. Adam Sweid 14/09/2007 175cm Midfielder/Forward Calder Cannons/Vic Metro (-4)
23. Max King 09/01/2007 192cm Key Forward Sydney Academy/Allies (-2)
24. Cameron Nairn 15/10/2007 189cm Forward Central District/South Australia (+2)
25. Jack Ison 26/02/2007 190cm Forward/Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro (new)
26. Beau Addinsall 09/03/2007 181cm Midfielder Gold Coast Academy/Allies (-2)
27. Harley Barker 02/05/2007 187cm Midfielder Sturt/South Australia (-2)
28. Blake Thredgold 27/08/2007 194cm Tall Defender Sturt/South Australia (new)
29. Hussien El Achkar 02/04/2007 171cm Small Forward Calder Cannons/Vic Metro (new)
30. Latrelle Pickett 28/12/2005 180cm Small Forward Glenelg (new)
Dropped out of Top 30 since August
Louis Emmett 23/03/2007 199cm Ruck Oakleigh Chargers/VicMetro (Was 23)
Zac McCarthy 27/10/2007 198cm Ruck/Forward Oakleigh Chargers/VicMetro (Was 27)
Sam Swadling 16/01/2007 187cm Midfielder West Perth/Western Australia (Was 28)
Riley Onley 30/03/2007 194cm Midfielder Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country (Was 29)
Matt LeRay 22/02/2007 189cm Midfielder Central District/South Australia (Was 30)
Full profiles here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1427257/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-september-ranking
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Cal Twomey's update:
Duursma & CDT firming at picks 1 & 2.
Richmond's picks 3,4: Tough call. Players who should be in their mix are Taylor & Robey. who has pushed himself into that conversation. Richmond open to moving back one of these picks. Even converting to say pick 12 plus a future first to spread them out. Also could push back to get a later pick for Louis Kellaway.
Louis Kellaway's range: 30 - 50.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_iTcLokoUo
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Picks 2 and 3
By any stretch of the imagination or delving into fantasy world:
Could we trade these into 8, 9, 10, 11 ?
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Finally a range for kellaway :bow
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I'm actually starting to feel any two of Sharp, Cumming, Taylor and Robey will be awesome. Benefits of two very early picks I guess.
Although, some of the draft profiles make me feel like turning pick 3 into a couple of later first rounders might be ok too
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They've released their top ten now with a phantom draft scheduled for midweek:
https://x.com/readingtheplay1/status/1972054358616580284
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They've released their top ten now with a phantom draft scheduled for midweek:
https://x.com/readingtheplay1/status/1972054358616580284
.everyone has Sullivan Robey top3 now.
Wild
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From X
@traderadio
The pick Richmond received from North last year could help them get another early pick in next year's draft. 👀
@rheemaustralia | #AFLTrade
https://x.com/traderadio/status/1973582926148210891?t=wB1M1CYZdDvDCwRhcvyhXA&s=19
"I think Richmond is open to splitting their pick number 3 and moving back or to get an extra first round pick next year." - Cal Twomey
https://x.com/traderadio/status/1973575835694350491?t=_Sw2W_tFiPGbGzG5csHSzQ&s=19
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They released their first 2 round phantom: https://readingtheplay.wordpress.com/2025/10/01/2025-afl-phantom-draft-version-1-0/
Has us taking Sharp and Robey. I'd be stoked with that!
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Richmond open to shifting Pick 3
SEN / Trade Radio
2 Oct 2025
Richmond have collected a glut of first round talent over their recent rebuild, and according to Cal Twomey, the club may be open to sourcing further first round talent.
Entering the 2025 National Draft, the Tigers hold both Pick 2 and 3, landing North Melbourne’s first rounder in a trade involving Matt Whitlock in 2024.
However according to Twomey, the club may be willing to shift from one of those picks in order to acquire additional first rounders later in the draft.
“Richmond has to think closely around what it’s going to do with its picks,” Twomey told Trade Radio.
“I think that they are open to trading back or splitting Pick 3 – their second pick (of the draft).
“I think that they could either split that back and push back into multiple picks this year, or trade one back and get an extra future first round pick for next year as well, bearing in mind that they are probably going to be a bottom four side again next year.
“If you can add another two first rounders this season, and two next year as well after what they took next year, its basically bringing in half a team of first round picks over three years.
“That’s the build before Tasmania, and that’s something they will be open to.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/10/02/afl-trade-period-2025-live-stream-radio-news-rumours-whispers
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They released their first 2 round phantom: https://readingtheplay.wordpress.com/2025/10/01/2025-afl-phantom-draft-version-1-0/
Has us taking Sharp and Robey. I'd be stoked with that!
Yup. I’ve had my doubts on Robey and still think it’s a risk but taking Sharp with him would balance it out.
I really dislike this idea that we’re gonna trade either our pick 2/3 for a latter 2025 first rounder and a 2026 first rounder. Reason being is your taking a gamble with the club you trade with hoping they finish towards the bottom of the ladder so you nab a top end pick. I just don’t see which club we could get a pick in the early teens this season and a pick around the 5 mark next season.
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I was hot on Lindsay but he just hasn't kicked on enough to be Pick 3 or 4. I think we have to draft Sharp, why his stocks are going cold after the season has finished is weird. The kid is a jet. Combine will be interesting.
I wonder if Pick 3 could be traded to Tassie, and take 2 of their high first rounders next year. I'm guessing whoever was drafted this year wouldn't be happy going to a non AFL club but could be genius and helps Tassie spread their talent pool.
Sharp and probably Robey for me, can't knock that on the info provided.
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Are people suggesting we use pick 2-3 on a player like Robey who is projected to go 30+?
I don’t know anything about the kid and he may end up being the pick of the draft for all I know but that is an incredible risk to take on a seriously shallow draft.
Almost certain we are just going to take 2 out of Duursma, CDT, Sharp, Lindsay, Cumming or Greeves.
Heard someone compare the rise of Robey to Alix Tauru last season.
Would be happy with that as Tauru looks like a jet