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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: cub on May 04, 2007, 01:22:05 PM
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If it is Browny wont be surprised and have moved on allready - but damn :banghead
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1.45pm press conference
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They didn't say who it is but it must be Browny? :(
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Soy Sauce says that it is Darren Gaspar.
Wonder if Polak's game last week had anything to do with it?
As much as people bag Gas, i still think he was a great fullback prior to his knee reco.
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More than likely Browny.
I'm going into mourning - I really liked Nathan. Feel sorry for all the effort he's made in trying to get back, even though most of us thought he probably never thought he would get back to how he was.
What a legend!
:'(
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I am also not that confindent that Brown will make it back, but i think that you may find D. Gaspar is retiring.
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Gaspar...
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Confirmed
It is Gas
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Terry told him we are promoting the youth for the future. Basically, he retires effective immediately rather than go to Coburg.
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Well done Gas - youv'e been a great servant of the club :clapping
Well done to TW and boys too - The Claytons tank - tanking when your not really tanking.
Get the young boys in for experience now - Will Thursfield come on down. :thumbsup
Once again Gaspar has been a great for this club and deserves a great send off this Sunday, which I am sure he will get, the game may have passed him by in the last few years but anyone with half a brain knows he did a fantastic job at times in the old days :thumbsup
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
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gaspar was too proud to finish at coburg. thus he has retired, i hope that means we dont have to pay him out.
he said he is still staying at the club to help the young defenders develop, lets hope he does not teach them how to day dream, fumble, lose touch with your man and kick with your eyes closed
anyway, well done for the good games you played pre knee reco, and well done for giving it up.
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I might just add, why did the club sign him up for another year and then change there mind after 5 rounds, ::) ::) they will have to honour the contract I would think, this is comedy at its best :lol :rollin :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin
the circus continues at punt road!
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
u have my number jack ;)
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Its gets even worse, he was picked this week ::) ::)
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umm - didn't we choose to retain Gasper and retire Kellerway?
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What Gas said
During a meeting on Wednesday, Terry made it clear to him that the club wanted to employ a policy of promoting youth of the club ahead of Darren.
He believes his form over the first five games this year has been reasonable, with two very good games, two in which he did his job and one which he believes was below par.
It has been made clear to him that his form was not the issue; it was about developing the players for the future.
When he signed on last year he expected every opportunity to earn his spot in the team. When he learned that this wasn’t the case he was surprised and very disappointed.
He says he has no option but to respect the club’s decision, and believes that they will respect his decision to move on.
Says it’s been a great privilege to represent the RFC. It has been a wonderful journey that has enabled him to meet great players, people, supporters and officials.
Says he is a proud person and he’s proud of his achievements over a 14 year career in the AFL.
The club has asked him to work with to help develop the young defenders. He looks forward to seeing the development of the next RFC premiership team and will watch that premiership with the business of not playing in a premiership team himself.
Definitely been a stressful few days, especially the last 48 hours. However, nothing can take away the happiness that has entered his life last Thursday morning. Sarah gave birth to their first children Ella and Chloe, they’re identical twins.
He’d like to thank all the supporters, coaches, players, manager Ron Joseph, the staff of the RFC.
As a life member, he will be watching and supporting this proud club for ever more.
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umm - didn't we choose to retain Gasper and retire Kellerway?
YES!
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re what Gas said.
That to me says we've wasted three years (if you include this one) and are burning good people along the way.
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If being open by informing a player he will have limited opportunity going forward is burning good people, then fuel the fire I say.
Andy Kellaway declined a farewell game offered to him. I thought that was a shame.
Seems Gas has declined as well seeing he was picked this week after being told of his reduced opportunity, going by his comment about the last 48 hours.
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Sarah gave birth to their first children Ella and Chloe, they’re identical twins.
My guess is they are gonna have a pretty tough infanthood being dropped, fumbled and soccered around by Gaspar. The man couldn't hold a sherrin after 20+ years of practice, hows he gonna cope with two kids.
Seriously, well done, but I'm glad you're gone Gas.
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What Gas said
During a meeting on Wednesday, Terry made it clear to him that the club wanted to employ a policy of promoting youth of the club ahead of Darren.
He believes his form over the first five games this year has been reasonable, with two very good games, two in which he did his job and one which he believes was below par.
It has been made clear to him that his form was not the issue; it was about developing the players for the future.
When he signed on last year he expected every opportunity to earn his spot in the team. When he learned that this wasn’t the case he was surprised and very disappointed.
He says he has no option but to respect the club’s decision, and believes that they will respect his decision to move on.
Says it’s been a great privilege to represent the RFC. It has been a wonderful journey that has enabled him to meet great players, people, supporters and officials.
Says he is a proud person and he’s proud of his achievements over a 14 year career in the AFL.
The club has asked him to work with to help develop the young defenders. He looks forward to seeing the development of the next RFC premiership team and will watch that premiership with the business of not playing in a premiership team himself.
Definitely been a stressful few days, especially the last 48 hours. However, nothing can take away the happiness that has entered his life last Thursday morning. Sarah gave birth to their first children Ella and Chloe, they’re identical twins.
He’d like to thank all the supporters, coaches, players, manager Ron Joseph, the staff of the RFC.
As a life member, he will be watching and supporting this proud club for ever more.
Just pack ur poo up and GTF out.
:clapping
Absolute sihtman.
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I might just add, why did the club sign him up for another year and then change there mind after 5 rounds, ::) ::) they will have to honour the contract I would think, this is comedy at its best :lol :rollin :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin
the circus continues at punt road!
very bitter ex-employee talk there jack, very bitter indeed.
Maybe the club changed their minds because the youngsters have come on faster than expected, Mcguane Polak and Moore all have earned and retained their places in the team, Jack and Hughes also need to play as much as possible, Gas was told, and he did the tigers a big favour and retired, saving richmond at least 100k, thanks for the memories gas, dont the let the door slam on your way out.
You know a tiger fan is bitter when the retirement of Darren Gaspar, is not seen as a postive,
blaisee
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He was a decent full back prior to the knee...thanks for the effort but Plough is right to move him on now.
PS- Jacko...can you please not use words like circus and punt road in the same sentence- thats my material lol.
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It's a bit of a shame that things of this nature:
1. Happen at all.
2. Couldn't be managed a little better.
I agree with Jack that there is probably a little bit more to this decision than is visable, but I wouldn't go as far as to imply that there was anything sinister in it. Just a tad indicator of Mismanagement.
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It's a bit of a shame that things of this nature:
1. Happen at all.
2. Couldn't be managed a little better.
I agree with Jack that there is probably a little bit more to this decision than is visable, but I wouldn't go as far as to imply that there was anything sinister in it. Just a tad indicator of Mismanagement.
why, why mismanagement?
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I was about to ask the same question, blaisee.
What should have been done?
Just drop Gas to Coburg and not tell him he would have limited opportunities to play at Richmond now?
Not tell AK last year that he'd have limited opportunities other than at Coburg this year? Not give him the opportunity to play a farewell game?
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Maybe the club changed their minds because the youngsters have come on faster than expected, Mcguane Polak and Moore all have earned and retained their places in the team, Jack and Hughes also need to play as much as possible, Gas was told, and he did the tigers a big favour and retired, saving richmond at least 100k
That's pretty much it and being 0-5. This year was going to be Gas' last anyway as that was known before the season started. If we were 4-1 then the senior players would be given one last crack at playing finals but the reality is we are 0-5 and our season is gone as far as making the finals so we're starting now on 2008 and beyond now.
ps. Thank god it wasn't Browny or Cogs.
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Will Gas play this weekend for a farewell match?
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I was about to ask the same question, blaisee.
What should have been done?
Just drop Gas to Coburg and not tell him he would have limited opportunities to play at Richmond now?
Not tell AK last year that he'd have limited opportunities other than at Coburg this year? Not give him the opportunity to play a farewell game?
Exactly FF.
As for Chubba he wasn't a KP backman nor a rebounding defender. Both Chubba and Gas gave good loyal service to Richmond but the modern game has passed them both by. Good on Gas for effectively accepting an assistant coach role despite being obviously disappointed with the decision.
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It's a bit of a shame that things of this nature:
1. Happen at all.
2. Couldn't be managed a little better.
I agree with Jack that there is probably a little bit more to this decision than is visable, but I wouldn't go as far as to imply that there was anything sinister in it. Just a tad indicator of Mismanagement.
why, why mismanagement?
Not in the decision itself, but in the circumstance of how it all came about and that could be from a series of little bad decisions made over a period of the last 6 months or even longer or shorter.
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Will Gas play this weekend for a farewell match?
Didn't train today after the press conference.
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I might just add, why did the club sign him up for another year and then change there mind after 5 rounds, ::) ::) they will have to honour the contract I would think, this is comedy at its best :lol :rollin :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin
the circus continues at punt road!
very bitter ex-employee talk there jack, very bitter indeed.
Maybe the club changed their minds because the youngsters have come on faster than expected, Mcguane Polak and Moore all have earned and retained their places in the team, Jack and Hughes also need to play as much as possible, Gas was told, and he did the tigers a big favour and retired, saving richmond at least 100k, thanks for the memories gas, dont the let the door slam on your way out.
You know a tiger fan is bitter when the retirement of Darren Gaspar, is not seen as a postive,
blaisee
Nothing to do with me Blaisee.
Why give a guy a contract and then 5 games later say goodbye ??
Thats a bit strange dont you think ::)
Makes me think they have no idea what there doing.
And if they had any idea , they wouldnt have given him a contract this year, know theres money down the drain
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McGuane suddenly coming on quicker than they thought as well as us losing our first 5 games changed pretty much everything. If you want to be critical then perhaps ask why this wasn't done in Plough's first two years? The answer though is we had no young KP talls except for Schulz to replace Gas and Chubba thanks to Spud and Beck. If thursty hadn't done his knee last year Gas would have been retired along with Chubba.
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Well MT, I ask this, why pick him this week for ?
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It's a bit of a shame that things of this nature:
1. Happen at all.
2. Couldn't be managed a little better.
I agree with Jack that there is probably a little bit more to this decision than is visable, but I wouldn't go as far as to imply that there was anything sinister in it. Just a tad indicator of Mismanagement.
why, why mismanagement?
Not in the decision itself, but in the circumstance of how it all came about and that could be from a series of little bad decisions made over a period of the last 6 months or even longer or shorter.
um if you are trying to be cryptic, you have succeeded
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Well MT, I ask this, why pick him this week for ?
well,
you decide jack
a) because they are comedy capers
b) he actually decided 100% to retire this morining, or late last night, after the team had to be anounced.
Only a bitter ex-employee will pick a)
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Nothing to do with me Blaisee.
Why give a guy a contract and then 5 games later say goodbye ??
Thats a bit strange dont you think ::)
Makes me think they have no idea what there doing.
And if they had any idea , they wouldnt have given him a contract this year, know theres money down the drain
To the bitter and twisted it probably would look like a circus and mismanagement, but so would winning a premiership to them as well - nothing would suffice.
But the club's been honest with him - cruel, but honest. And Gas is being true to himself by walking away when he says he doesn't like it. Better than him being bitter like some and having it permeate through the club like it has on this board ::)
The fact he will remain at the club helping and also supporting the club, to me, means there's not a lot of bitterness and has a lot of class, unlike some!
If we're not going to win games this year, we've got to achieve something - and that something will be to go through everyone on the list, play them, develop them and sort out who's not going to be there for the long term.
I wonder if Tiv, Krak and a few others have received the same message as Gas! But Gas is different, he's of retirement age and the others are, hopefully, going to try and work through their deficiencies and get back some form.
poo happens, but Gas sounds pretty capable of handling this.
PS:
LMAO@Jake :lol
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Read PAGE 105 of todays paper, he is picked to play, team submitted at AFL 5pm yesterday.
Can tell you things ""happened"" this morning!
Could tell you more, but mate, I am just a bitter ex employee remember ;)
Really couldnt be bothered ::)
Answer. is A
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To all the old fossils dreaming of '90s mediocrity.
Guess what? Knights is gone, the Kellaways are gone, the Rogers, Turner, Gas and nearly everyone else from that outstanding ::) era :clapping
Get over it.
Why do you want to live in a past filled with abysmal failure?
They're gone - move on!
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Well MT, I ask this, why pick him this week for ?
good question jack
now i have no idea about what goes on behind teh scenes at afl clubs, you have a much greater understanding than me.
this is just my answer to your question and are my thoughts only.
maybe gaspar was selected to play and told it would be his send off and last game for the club and he would finish his career at the burger. now he said he was a proud man( i have no idea why, he sure as hell dosnt play like a proud man) and we all know he is a quiet type, thus he may have said thanks but no thanks, i wont play as of now.
so if he objected to a send off aka chubba, thats poor form.
however , we should be rejoicing . At least week in week out from now on the club wont have to select a player who plays, gives us the impression that he plays the game with no desire, no heart , no interest and poor skill.
its now one less dud we have to worry about.
i would rather lose by a few goals week in week out with moore, thursty, mguane, polak etc getting goals kicked on them than gaspar. at least the other blokes will learn from their experiences, gaspar, like tivendale wont learn anything else, and wont improve.
this way we are giving the kids game time and show us b/w now and rnd 22 if they can/have/havent improved.
i dont know why clubs have to be moral, why should they. players leave clubs , look at aker, browny, otto , stevens etc. when players dont leave on moral grounds we crack the nanas, so if its ok for players to shaft clubs, its ok for clubs to shaft players.
what gets up my nose, is why didnt terry just get rid of these blokes, gas, chubba, tiv, staff, chaff etc, as soon as he arrived. it woudl have meant 2 more wooden spoons or very low finishes and 2 more yrs of very handy picks.
these sackings/retirements/ droppings(tiv/krak etc) are 2 yrs too late
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Well MT, I ask this, why pick him this week for ?
Because he retired today :wallywink
Seriously I'm with Moi. I can't believe some people who have been calling for this for years on here are now upset that it's happened ???. Richo and Joel are the only ones left from the failed generation.
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Players need to learn that a first grade spot is a privilege not a right. If Gas was so willing to take one up the rear end from the club then that is what he deserves. If he still had any intestinal fortitude or fire in the belly he would have said to Terry "Okay throw me in the Burgers but I am going to lift my game to the point that you are going to have no option but to select me." Instead we got "Thanks for the good times. I'll now crawl into my corner and accept defeat and a payout."
And now for a tune (sing to the tune of 70's sitcom "Good Times")
Gas-par.
Anytime you need a clanger.
Gas-par.
Any time you need a Dud.
Gas-par.
Any time you need a blunder.
Not getting faster, not up to muster.
Kicking not AFL standard.
Should have been sent to the West.
Injuries & lay offs.
Gas-par.
Gee we sure got ripped off.
Gas-par.
decision ain't surprising.
Gas-par.
Now he's on the dole line
Gas-par.
Ain't we lucky he's goin'
Gas-par.....Yeah!
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Well MT, I ask this, why pick him this week for ?
Because he retired today :wallywink
Seriously I'm with Moi. I can't believe some people who have been calling for this for years on here are now upset that it's happened ???. Richo and Joel are the only ones left from the failed generation.
im not upset, just upset it is 2 yrs too late
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Players need to learn that a first grade spot is a privilege not a right. If Gas was so willing to take one up the rear end from the club then that is what he deserves. If he still had any intestinal fortitude or fire in the belly he would have said to Terry "Okay throw me in the Burgers but I am going to lift my game to the point that you are going to have no option but to select me." Instead we got "Thanks for the good times. I'll now crawl into my corner and accept defeat and a payout."
And now for a tune (sing to the tune of 70's sitcom "Good Times")
Gas-par.
Anytime you need a clanger.
Gas-par.
Any time you need a Dud.
Gas-par.
Any time you need a blunder.
Not getting faster, not up to muster.
Kicking not AFL standard.
Should have been sent to the West.
Injuries & lay offs.
Gas-par.
Gee we sure got ripped off.
Gas-par.
decision ain't surprising.
Gas-par.
Now he's on the dole line
Gas-par.
Ain't we lucky he's goin'
Gas-par.....Yeah!
good work :rollin :rollin
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http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=42572
The Richmond Football Club expressed its gratitude to the lanky defender in a media release today.
"An All-Australian representative and Jack Dyer Medallist, Gaspar has been an outstanding player and servant to the Richmond Football Club," it read.
“His highly competitive nature, courage and negating ability are both admired and revered as he took on the best AFL goalscorers, week in and week out for 14 seasons.
"The Richmond Football Club would like to formally congratulate Gaspar on a wonderful career, thank him for his service to our Club and we look forward to his continued involvement at Tigerland."
DARREN GASPAR: A CAREER
DOB – 20/05/1976
Recruited from South Fremantle
Drafted by Sydney in the 1993 AFL National Draft, as a priority selection (No. 1 overall). AFL Debut: 1994
Played 21 games for Sydney
Drafted to Richmond from Sydney in the 1996 Draft as a pre-season selection. Played 207 games for Richmond, including three finals
Achievements:
1997 – Richmond Third Best and Fairest
2000 – Richmond Second Best and Fairest, All-Australian honours,
2001 – Richmond Best and Fairest, All-Australian honours and International Rules Series
2003 – Richmond FC Life Member
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3 things that make me wonder and make my head explode
1/ how the hell was gaspar rated so highly and was a no1 draft pick
2/ how the hell did he win a JD medal
3/ how the hell did he make AA
all without being able to kick, handpass and fumble so often
just shows we live in a strange wierd world
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
Exactly spot on as per usual Jackstar.
This aint the end of it and a good chance of more to follow.
The Tiger board will be meeting next week to consider some major decisions regarding its onfield operations.
Brace yourselves. :)
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
Exactly spot on as per usual Jackstar.
This aint the end of it and a good chance of more to follow.
The Tiger board will be meeting next week to consider some major decisions regarding its onfield operations.
Brace yourselves. :)
Just as we're finally making the right decisions regarding the future of our playing list ???
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I assume this may resolve around Millers role???
Playing more kids,Gas gone,Tiv,Krak and P BO at Coburg ,Millers role possibly reduced..
The good news keeps rolling in :cheers
Now if only we could win a game
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This is my view on things.
1/ For the first time in a long time, the club has a direction.
Up till the start of last weeks game, I dont think we had any direction(Both on the field and with club direction) eg Kick it to Richo mentality and not playing the kids etc.
Last week we seen a change in game plan and playing of young kids. We seen a change in structure although its only taken a pre-season and five games to get a change in direction. Would say that the pre-saseon and the first 5 rounds have been a disaster and anyone who disagrees with that has there head in the clouds
Todays events should never ever of happened , why ? Because the club made a HUGE mistake giving him another contract and throwing $150,000 down the drain ( Dont know how many memberships that adds too )
The club chose Gas instead of Chubba.
The club should of cut both but didnt, reason being that there vision and direction for the future was clouded and it has was only this week that the penny has dropped or ""someone"" has pushed the button.?
I might add that Darren Gaspar is a life member of the Richmond Football Club and deserved better. Gas has just become a father of twins last week and then his place of employment decides to cut him, dont know how people on this website would cope getting the flick in similar circumstances. ::)
I Beleive that the club have managed this poorly should of never talked him into playing this year only to cut him after 5 games.
Now ,lets move forward, as of today the club is looking at the future and know seems to have a direction or vision for the future, well done RFC, pity its 5 rounds and a pre-season too late but, we are on our way! Lets see young kids played, lets see a chnage it game plan and not that ""Kick it to Richo mentality""
The next few weeks will be of interest.
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
Exactly spot on as per usual Jackstar.
This aint the end of it and a good chance of more to follow.
The Tiger board will be meeting next week to consider some major decisions regarding its onfield operations.
Brace yourselves. :)
CORRECT! ;)
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3 things that make me wonder and make my head explode
1/ how the hell was gaspar rated so highly and was a no1 draft pick
2/ how the hell did he win a JD medal
3/ how the hell did he make AA
all without being able to kick, handpass and fumble so often
just shows we live in a strange wierd world
Different game for a FB now to what it is then. If you were a good stopper then that sufficed and Gas was one of the best pre-knee as he was one of best judges of the flight of the incoming ball. The game has changed dramatically since 2001 and with it these pure stoppers have been left behind. A defender now needs to be attacking as well as know when to lock back on to the forward and has to be one of the most precise kicks in the team as so many attacks start from the backline now.
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You're amusing Jack.
After 5 defeats you say we have direction.
Before the season without a game being played you said we were stuffed.
I know we're going in the right direction or at least making the right decisions. Whether they come off that's for the Gods!
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Dont know why you think I am amusing. I dont !
Tell it how I see it.
Been going nowhere for the entire pre season and first 5 rounds.
The club has finally taken a stance, albeit way too late.
Its amazing how many people bag Alistair Clarkson and the dawks but at least they have a firm direction that they are taking the playing list and club, not saying its right but its a direction and plan
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1/ For the first time in a long time, the club has a direction.
Up till the start of last weeks game, I dont think we had any direction(Both on the field and with club direction) eg Kick it to Richo mentality and not playing the kids etc.
Last week we seen a change in game plan and playing of young kids. We seen a change in structure although its only taken a pre-season and five games to get a change in direction. Would say that the pre-saseon and the first 5 rounds have been a disaster and anyone who disagrees with that has there head in the clouds
This change started after the dogs game but I know what you mean and agree. At least they realised they made a mistake and changed Jack. In the long run it won't hurt us. Something Spud never understood ::).
Todays events should never ever of happened , why ? Because the club made a HUGE mistake giving him another contract and throwing $150,000 down the drain ( Dont know how many memberships that adds too )
The club chose Gas instead of Chubba.
The club should of cut both but didnt, reason being that there vision and direction for the future was clouded and it has was only this week that the penny has dropped or ""someone"" has pushed the button.?
I might add that Darren Gaspar is a life member of the Richmond Football Club and deserved better. Gas has just become a father of twins last week and then his place of employment decides to cut him, dont know how people on this website would cope getting the flick in similar circumstances. ::)
I Beleive that the club have managed this poorly should of never talked him into playing this year only to cut him after 5 games.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
McGuane doesn't look like getting a game at all 2 months ago. Thursty was coming back from a knee. Moore is/was injury prone. You also said Jack that Polak would spend most of this year at Coburg ;). Who would play KP defence for us then without Gas on the list? Joel and who?
Gas is also a veteran so as far as our salary cap goes he came cheap.
Now ,lets move forward, as of today the club is looking at the future and know seems to have a direction or vision for the future, well done RFC, pity its 5 rounds and a pre-season too late but, we are on our way! Lets see young kids played, lets see a chnage it game plan and not that ""Kick it to Richo mentality""
The next few weeks will be of interest.
Agree to look and move forward.
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Gas has just become a father of twins last week and then his place of employment decides to cut him, dont know how people on this website would cope getting the flick in similar circumstances.
If it was my last year there and I was being paid out, I'd cope just fine.
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Gas has just become a father of twins last week and then his place of employment decides to cut him, dont know how people on this website would cope getting the flick in similar circumstances.
If it was my last year there and I was being paid out, I'd cope just fine.
Actually I would cope fine too if i was on $150,000
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Hey MT, being on the veterans list means that half of his salary is not included in the cap, $150,000 is no laughing matter
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Well,It'a the best birthday present I've had in a long time...just wish i was 10 years younger to enjoy it :sleep
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“His highly competitive nature, courage and negating ability are both admired and revered as he took on the best AFL goalscorers, week in and week out for 14 seasons.
I think they missplet 'negotiating'.
How much did we give him in '01?
LMAO.
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Gas has just become a father of twins last week and then his place of employment decides to cut him, dont know how people on this website would cope getting the flick in similar circumstances.
If it was my last year there and I was being paid out, I'd cope just fine.
Not sure how being cut now or last year changes this. If Gas was cut at the end of last year it would have occurred at the time Sara would have just found out she was expecting and they wouldn't have any further income coming in just at the time they needed it to buy all the stuff they needed for the babies. Granted it's still tough but at least now they have income coming in for this year still.
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he's like an exterior tumor - cut it off and move on.
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Hey MT, being on the veterans list means that half of his salary is not included in the cap
That's what I said :wallywink
$150,000 is no laughing matter
$150k is less than others are getting. At least Gas got onto the park :whistle.
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
Exactly spot on as per usual Jackstar.
This aint the end of it and a good chance of more to follow.
The Tiger board will be meeting next week to consider some major decisions regarding its onfield operations.
Brace yourselves. :)
Just as we're finally making the right decisions regarding the future of our playing list ???
There is a major rift within the club that must be resolved MT and hopefully it will be taken care of soon.
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if u mean that the senior players are once again,in their brains,running the placethen I cant wait for the axe to swing.
See ya Joel
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
Exactly spot on as per usual Jackstar.
This aint the end of it and a good chance of more to follow.
The Tiger board will be meeting next week to consider some major decisions regarding its onfield operations.
Brace yourselves. :)
Just as we're finally making the right decisions regarding the future of our playing list ???
There is a major rift within the club that must be resolved MT and hopefully it will be taken care of soon.
It is major! ;)
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I assume this may resolve around Millers role???
Playing more kids,Gas gone,Tiv,Krak and P BO at Coburg ,Millers role possibly reduced..
The good news keeps rolling in :cheers
Now if only we could win a game
Your assumption is in the right direction Harry:thumbsup
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if u mean that the senior players are once again,in their brains,running the placethen I cant wait for the axe to swing.
See ya Joel
:thumbsup Stay tuned Ox.....
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Switched on now. Just read my phone messages ;). As far as I'm concerned at least the right decisions are now being made.
Thanks to Moi too for the word for word summary of what Gas said today :bow :cheers.
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Let me start by saying that it is fantastic that the club has finally chosen a future direction and is moving full steam ahead with the development of our youth.
I am sure that some people here will find it amusing but i agree with Jack, Gas shouldnt have been signed up but in saying that it it is a decision made in hindsight especially considering the development of McGuane.
It is however disappointing that a LIFE MEMBER of our footy club has been treated like this. Sure he is an average player at best these days. Surely he deserves better than that, i think he does anyway.
You cant argue that he didnt deserve to be all australian coz back then he was one of if not the best full back going around. Over the last few years, he is dropped off pretty badly which is a shame and it is for the best that he moves on.
The strange thing about this is that we have taken the direction 5 rounds in to the season. Terry's view of our playing list couldnt be any different to what it was 2 months ago.
So why do we start playing the kids all of a sudden out of the blue?
Something has happened behind the scenes for them to make such a drastic change like this. I would love to know what it is.
TigerTailz may hold that information, if you do send me a pm ;D :shh
Anyway, thanks for the memories Gas. You probably went on a little too long but it happens.
Well done. :thumbsup
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yes a p.m would be nice but i won't hold my breath... ;D
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More to this than meets the eye ;)
Exactly spot on as per usual Jackstar.
This aint the end of it and a good chance of more to follow.
The Tiger board will be meeting next week to consider some major decisions regarding its onfield operations.
Brace yourselves. :)
Just as we're finally making the right decisions regarding the future of our playing list ???
There is a major rift within the club that must be resolved MT and hopefully it will be taken care of soon.
It is major! ;)
look jack, tigertailz, everyone
I am not a miller man, nor am I wallet man, they are both fricken mercenaries as far as I am concerned. I am a richmond man, as far as that goes, I just hope and wish that the right decisions are made for the tigers long term . I am more confident of this now, than I have been in 25 years.
Blaisee out.
PS you know that I love you jack ;)
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I have no concern with Wallace coz hes gonna coach us for the next 2 1/2 years atleast but Greg Miller needs to resign from the board and open up his position on the board to someone else who can come in and be a possible replacement president.
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Might just add its a terrible way to treat a life member.
Hate to see what they do to an ordinary player ::)
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Might just add its a terrible way to treat a life member.
Hate to see what they do to an ordinary player ::)
life member my arse, it just suited him to jump ship on sydney to the tigers for big bucks, and then screw us over with freo and risk losing him for nothing. If 600k a year buys you loyalty well then great :banghead
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
McGuane doesn't look like getting a game at all 2 months ago. Thursty was coming back from a knee. Moore is/was injury prone. You also said Jack that Polak would spend most of this year at Coburg ;). Who would play KP defence for us then without Gas on the list? Joel and who?
Spot on, MT. Rational thought versus emotion
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I wasnt happy with Gaspar either and felt that he should have gone 2 years ago but in the end hes gone now and you have to show some respect for his contribution. Its better to end business relationships well and leave some doors open than to make someone feel bad. The clubs mistake is they made him do a preseason and retired him 5 games in...thats not correct for mine- although I reiterate that football had passed him by and he should of gone a fair while back.
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And by the way they should have presented Trent Knoble to the press today to announce his retirement as well. He wasnt available when we needed him ... time to say goodbye to Trent as well- although he should have gone last year as well.
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I wasnt happy with Gaspar either and felt that he should have gone 2 years ago but in the end hes gone now and you have to show some respect for his contribution. Its better to end business relationships well and leave some doors open than to make someone feel bad. The clubs mistake is they made him do a preseason and retired him 5 games in...thats not correct for mine- although I reiterate that football had passed him by and he should of gone a fair while back.
Ramps, spot on
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And by the way they should have presented Trent Knoble to the press today to announce his retirement as well. He wasnt available when we needed him ... time to say goodbye to Trent as well- although he should have gone last year as well.
Thats for next week, double billing apparently.
Knobs and Kent Kingsley :lol
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Gas has been a good servant to this club, perhaps a little bit too long, but nevertheless, I wish him all the best for his future and his life as a doting dad :clapping
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:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :thumbsup :bow :bow :bow
Well done DG ( Gas ) you done us proud with your service
Me and the kids will miss you playing in our backyard :cheers
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After having had the privilege of having dinner with Gas at the player sponsors night the other night, I will remember just a really nice person. Sat right next to me and we chatted all night. Didn't talk about footy, just his new babies that he was so looking forward to and general chit chat. You would never describe him as an extrovert, but very intelligent and just really easy to say hi to. Something I find pretty difficult on most occasions.
I left feeling glad that I actually got to meet him and dispel all of the crap I read about him on here and elsewhere.
He wants to stay in Melbourne - he loves it here, so hopefully we will see him around the club in the future.
I will remember the great player he was before he did his knee, and he was great for those who can't remember or choose not to lol. Like Browny, it wasn't his fault he was injured. And then having to come back and immediately play on the opposition's best forward, his form was exposed unfortunately for all to see.
I actually thought he was pretty accurate in how he's played this year, so I understand his disappointment, while at the same time pretty excited at the improvement of those that have come in to replace him, and more of them still to come back or debut.
I'm neither happy or unhappy. I think the club did it the only way they could - honestly. With the unusual circumstances of Wallace trying to turn over a complete playing list, of course there's going to be casualties and lots of tears, but that's just how it is. It's not personal, it's how it has to be if we want to become a great club again.
If the players use this as an excuse to create instability without looking at the bigger picture I'd be disappointed. If they don't like it, leave. Just go to another club. The club is bigger than any individual!
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Wallace should retire 2 more soon. Knoble and Kingsley: simply they dont get out on the park enough. And when thats done he should drop Tuck and Pettifer to the magoos and come the end of the year he should clean out the joint. He should also make a big big statement by trading a big name like Joel Bowden.
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The young blokes are coming on faster than expected before the start of the year. The surprise bonus is a number are KPPs. Gas and Kingsley were on the list to give our young KPPs extra time at Coburg to develop and work their way towards earning a AFL game. The fact is they don't need that extra time at VFL level. They are good and talented enough to develop and learn at AFL level. If you thought Polak, McGuane and Hughes would be doing anywhere near as well as they are prior to the start of the season then you must be psychic.
I'm neither happy or unhappy. I think the club did it the only way they could - honestly. With the unusual circumstances of Wallace trying to turn over a complete playing list, of course there's going to be casualties and lots of tears, but that's just how it is. It's not personal, it's how it has to be if we want to become a great club again.
If the players use this as an excuse to create instability without looking at the bigger picture I'd be disappointed. If they don't like it, leave. Just go to another club. The club is bigger than any individual!
Well said Moi :clapping.
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i haven't heard my father more happy with richmond then today !
as i drive out of uni my father calls me ...
first sentence he said was "DID YOU HEAR THE GOOD NEWS?"
ROFL ...
i am like "what?" ... "THEY SACKED GASPAR!!!" ... LM"F"AO ...
it is a good move, people have got to realise that wallace is wrong !!! why ???
REMEMBER it was either KELLAWAY or GASPAR ... and he chose GASPAR ...
that lasted 5 matches ...
so does this mean our defensive is shot ???
maybe not, if he plays McGuane, Jackson, Thrusfield and retires KELVIN MOORE ... i would be happy with that ...
so for gaspar ... i don't know really ... 2 all-australians and 1 B&F ... good but only "3 FINALS MATCHES" ...
i am glad he is gone, retiring now or what ever makes him look stupid, he should of gone last year really !
couldn't kick and couldn't keep his feet, yet he was still our best defender during our "bad years" ...
overall, just happy there is no more of him ... but i know he is an intelligent person with a hot wife (LMAO)
... so i would have him as a coach ??? well see how it goes ...
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Gaspar at his best was the best spoiler of the ball in the comp, he had a great knack for spoiling to his own advantage too, and collecting his own spoils helped him to elevate himself to the elite of the comp. I used to enjoy watching him twist and turn and he was always a pretty good bet of evading his opponent, nonetheless he always had bad habits in his game that frustrated me. I used to go crazy when he didn't help out fellow defenders, he always seemed unwilling to come in from the side and lay some body on a one on one.
His return from the knee reco was embarrassing for everyone, his loss of agility and confidence affected him badly, I mean some of his plays were absurd, I remember being really angry at first, but this guy who sits nearby just laughed his head off at all of his comical mistakes, I learned a bit from that guy actually, whenever Richmond lost you could always have a laugh on the way home, recalling Gaspar's errors.
True story, I phoned the club with a complaint about Gaspar circa mid 04, I pleasantly suggested that I thought he would be better off in the lower grade for a while and could that message kindly be passed on to Mr.Frawley (OK I may be exaggerating the tone of the call a little but you know what I mean)
Next day Danny Frawley's PA called me up and the conversation went something like this:
PA: Hi Danny Frawley's PA here from the rfc, responding to your concerns
me: Danny Frawley has a PA?
PA: Yes. Now what exactly were your concerns?
me: Darren Gaspar. He is playing really badly at the moment. He is really costing us
PA: He is coming back from a knee reco don't you know...
me: He is playing terrible footy and should be put in the reserves until he starts getting a kick again.
PA: Do you think Collingwood would bring up Nathan Buckley through the reserves?
me: (shocked) HE AINT NO NATHAN BUCKLEY! :banghead
end call
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Tiger policy pushes Gaspar out
Michael Gleeson | May 5, 2007
The Age
Six months after signing a one-year contract, Darren Gaspar has been pushed out of the Richmond side and into retirement by a youth policy the club insists has nothing to do with its winless start to the year.
In an ironic move, Gaspar will now coach the clutch of defenders responsible for making him redundant.
Gaspar was told on Wednesday, five rounds into the season, that circumstances had changed and he now would be likely to play the rest of the year for Coburg in the VFL.
Coach Terry Wallace insists the circumstance that changed was the form of young players pressing for Gaspar's job, and not that after losing the first five matches, the Tigers were preparing for next season and beyond.
"I believe my form over the first five games this year has been reasonable," Gaspar said. "I have had two very good games, two in which I did my job and one which I believe was below par. It has been made clear to me that my form was not the issue - it is about developing the players for the future.
"When I signed on last year, I expected every opportunity to earn my spot in the team, as you would. When I learnt that this was not the case, I was surprised and very disappointed."
Gaspar's manager, Ron Joseph, said he was surprised at the talk this week about the level of opportunity Gaspar would get, given the debate in the pre-season over whether Andrew Kellaway or Gaspar would be cut, before Gaspar was signed to a new contract.
"It's very, very disappointing," Joseph said. "Terry is an extraordinarily good spin doctor, but if we put aside the spin and get down to football, I mean the clear evidence is there as to why they have made this decision (alluding to the winless start to the year)."
Joseph said that had Gaspar known in the pre-season that he would be likely to play the season in the VFL, then he would have been unlikely to have signed his contract.
"I have been around long enough to know not everyone gets the fairytale finish. I understand the position the club is in and I respect that they have to make decisions and the club has to move forward. I am not bitter at all. We will move on," he said.
Wallace said the decision was based on the improved form of Luke McGuane and Kelvin Moore, who last night was promoted to the seniors in Gaspar's place for tomorrow's Telstra Dome clash with Geelong. Will Thursfield is the most likely long-term full-back but he is recovering from a knee reconstruction.
"His form was not horrid by any stretch of the imagination but we got to the stage where some of the younger players in our side had the equal form to what Darren had," Wallace said.
"Now where we are at, when Darren was ahead of them in form Darren played, but once those guys had caught up to him, all of a sudden the upside of playing those players outweighs anything else and we need to support them and start to play them.
"Are we conceding the season? Absolutely not - I would say the other way; we have got guys who are in the equal form of Darren who we need to play. Our VFL side is on the top of the ladder and performing extremely well.
"I just feel a little bit cheated that I only got the last couple of years with Darren. I would have loved to have coached Darren prior to his knee," he said.
In addition to Moore, Richmond promoted two more youngsters for tomorrow's game, Matt White and Danny Meyer.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tiger-policy-pushes-gaspar-out/2007/05/04/1177788402196.html
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Youth policy KOs Gaspar
05 May 2007 Herald-Sun
RICHMOND'S Darren Gaspar retired in disappointment yesterday after the dual All-Australian and coach Terry Wallace disagreed over his continued worth as an AFL full-back.
Gaspar struggled to hide his hurt as he called an immediate end to his 14-season, 228-game career after he was told younger teammates had caught up to him during Richmond's opening five losses.
Having been told on Wednesday that Richmond wanted to promote younger backmen, Gaspar, 30, decided to retire immediately, even though he had been named in the starting line-up against Geelong at Telstra Dome tomorrow.
"It has been made clear to me that my form was not the issue, it was about developing the players for the future," Gaspar said, reading from a statement.
"When I signed on last year (a one-season contract extension) I expected every opportunity to earn my spot in the team, as you would.
"When I learned this wasn't the case, I was surprised and very disappointed.
"I have no option but to respect the club's decision and I believe they will respect my decision to move on."
Gaspar's spot in the team to take on the Cats has been taken by young defender Kelvin Moore.
Two more youngsters, Matt White and Danny Meyer, were also brought in, replacing Gaspar, Greg Tivendale and Shane Edwards.
Gaspar and Wallace both used the word "respect" during their press conference, but their parting appeared a messy one.
However, Gaspar said he wanted to continue working with Richmond's next generation of key defenders, which includes Luke McGuane and Will Thursfield.
Wallace said his preference was for the veteran to stick out the year as insurance against injuries, although he insisted Richmond wanted to show Gaspar more respect than having him "wallow" in the VFL.
"We didn't make the decision for Darren to retire, that's Darren's decision and in his own rights," he said.
Wallace said he had shown Gaspar respect by having a "straight-line talk" with him, with club captain Kane Johnson in tow.
Wallace told Gaspar younger players had drawn level with him on performance.
"In our situation, when Darren was ahead of them in form, Darren was played," Wallace said.
"But once those guys had caught up to him, all of a sudden we believe the upside of playing those players outweighed everything else."
Gaspar admitted he was disappointed by Wallace's reasoning.
"The way they explained it to me was disappointing, but life goes on and I've got to deal with that," he said.
Wallace denied Richmond's call on Gaspar put other senior players on notice, and he said favouring youth was not a sign that the Tigers had written off 2007.
Gaspar, who on Thursday became the father of twin girls, said he would retire proud of his achievements and with no regrets.
He said his debut game and the 2001 finals series were his highlights, but said he would remain bitter at never achieving premiership success.
He was also proud of being able to handle the scrutiny put on him in the past five years, when his kicking and form fell away while he was on a long-term, big-money contract.
Gaspar was chosen by Sydney with the No. 1 pick in the 1993 national draft, before being claimed in the pre-season draft by Richmond in 1996.
He won Richmond's best-and-fairest award in 2001 and won All-Australian selection in 2000 and 2001.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21674329^20322,00.html
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Decision to sacrifice veteran was right call at wrong time
Michael Gleeson | May 5, 2007
The Age
On wednesday, Terry Wallace had the discussion with Darren Gaspar he should have had six months ago.
That meeting over summer, in which Gaspar signed a one-year contract, did not include the conversation that Gaspar, a dual All-Australian full-back, was likely to play most of the year with Coburg because Richmond, a rebuilding club, demanded time be put into its young talent.
That it did not have that discussion then suggests the club believed itself a finals contender. Now that Richmond is winless from five games and making decisions on senior players' futures suggests it realises that finals are a lost ambition.
The club strongly rejects any suggestion it has conceded the season. So if it were 5-0, would it have had the same talk with Gaspar?
The Tigers' official line is that Gaspar's form was not the important factor in the decision, but that they have been surprised at the rapid improvement in their young key defenders, to the extent that those players are now Gaspar's equals.
Luke McGuane, in particular, has improved quickly, while Kel Moore's form has been adequate. But the most likely full-back-in-waiting, Will Thursfield, Gaspar's friend and fishing partner, has not played a senior game this year as he recovers from a knee reconstruction.
This does not make the decision to talk with Gaspar the wrong one; it suggests only that something has changed in the months between signing a contract and the player's decision to end it.
Like losing every game.
Gaspar is rightly annoyed that the message in the conversations just months ago varied so greatly from the message delivered this week. All that has changed in five games for him and what he offered the club is that the Tigers have not won.
The club should have known when it was contemplating re-signing its full-back, as well as cutting Andrew Kellaway, that it was still a long way from contention.
The Tigers should have known then how much exposure their young players needed at AFL level and whether retaining an ageing full-back who was never quite the same after a knee reconstruction would stand in the way of development.
Now it seems they do.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/decision-to-sacrifice-veteran-was-right-call-at-wrong-time/2007/05/04/1177788402285.html
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The Tigers should have known then how much exposure their young players needed at AFL level and whether retaining an ageing full-back who was never quite the same after a knee reconstruction would stand in the way of development.
Now it seems they do.
Yes six months ago we should have known both McGuane and Polak would improve out of sight ::).
You can't win sometimes. We get bagged because Lids and Tambo aren't superstars yet and we get bagged because McGuane has developed faster than expected and Polak is performing far better than he ever did with Freo ???.
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True story, I phoned the club with a complaint about Gaspar circa mid 04, I pleasantly suggested that I thought he would be better off in the lower grade for a while and could that message kindly be passed on to Mr.Frawley (OK I may be exaggerating the tone of the call a little but you know what I mean)
Next day Danny Frawley's PA called me up and the conversation went something like this:
PA: Hi Danny Frawley's PA here from the rfc, responding to your concerns
me: Danny Frawley has a PA?
PA: Yes. Now what exactly were your concerns?
me: Darren Gaspar. He is playing really badly at the moment. He is really costing us
PA: He is coming back from a knee reco don't you know...
me: He is playing terrible footy and should be put in the reserves until he starts getting a kick again.
PA: Do you think Collingwood would bring up Nathan Buckley through the reserves?
me: (shocked) HE AINT NO NATHAN BUCKLEY! :banghead
end call
:rollin
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Might add all coaches have a PA
And I had to laugh that about Plough and Kane Johnson sitting down with Gas on Wednesday, The captain is the biggest problem I would think.
When is he going to retire ?
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Might add all coaches have a PA
And I had to laugh that about Plough and Kane Johnson sitting down with Gas on Wednesday, The captain is the biggest problem I would think.
When is he going to retire ?
hopefully next week!!!!
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Kane Johnson is all about records.
He is waiting until he is officially the worst captain in our history before he retires.
But seriously, if the club is going to make the tough decisions Johnson should be gone at seasons end.
Along with Tiv, Hall, Kingsley, P Bowden, Krak and i am sure that there are a lot more to add to that.
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yeah l'm sure they will cut the list like some of you expect
that would be a sure thing for disaster at RFC you need gamers to teach newbies
Moi you said it all as it is
Gas is truely a great person & loves nothing more than to sit down & talk about things other than footy
l'm not suprised he left without a sendoff game he is not a person to think of himself his always been the team person not like Ottens give me the money or l'm not playing here gas took the paycut & the brunt of the media during injury
he has planned his life after footy & its great news about the twins arriving so his form would have probably suffered being kept awake cause family comes first before footy its just a game after all
everyone will be still screaming here about our lack of success for a few more years its just that you can't get it into some heads we aint going anywhere fast it takes time to fix damage caused by others
Just take a look at Geelong everyone being saying they gunna win a premiership with their side for a few years ;D and they brought Ottens & the team turned to poo :clapping
Many forget Richmond were in a prelim final in 2001 & were put out by the premiers on the gabba ground how many forget quickly so why can't Geelong produce with there list of so called champs down here in Victoria & St-Kilda in the same boat as them
Wallace dropping some senior players like Tiv ( l'm suprised ) Krak, Polo, P Bowden, is a wake up call to the side who lets teams get on top of them after being in a winning position & until he puts beleive into the players themselves he will play the youngsters win or lose
what we all like to see is we belt Geelong on there own ground in a convincing win like 45 points l got strong beleive they can do it :gotigers
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yeah l'm sure they will cut the list like some of you expect
that would be a sure thing for disaster at RFC you need gamers to teach newbies
But do you want guys like J. Bowden, Tivs, Richo etc. teaching the kids?
I envy a club with a champ like Judd, Buckley or Hird. The kids would look up to these guys and be in awe of them.
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1. I think that Gas should have gone at the end of last season. A realistic analysis of our list tells you we had no chance this season and would have been better off opening up another spot on the list. The ONLY justification IMO for keeping Gas would have been if he could mentor some of the kids. To me he has never looked a leader, and I think that this is backed up by the fact the club chased Mark Graham and then gave him the role of mentoring the young KP defenders, even though we had a 10 year AFL player and AA defender in Gaspar.
2. Despite this, I kind of think this was a fitting end for Gas. We fumbled with him and scrapped and then got away a rushed inneffective disposal. Kind of what Gas did his whole career.
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"I believe my form over the first five games this year has been reasonable," Gaspar said. "I have had two very good games, two in which I did my job and one which I believe was below par.
That's why u got the ars.
It has been made clear to me that my form was not the issue - it is about developing the players for the future
LMAO
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lmao at gas thinking his foprm was ok
the only game he has played ok in is v the swans, where he beat a wounded and injured hall.
the blues game , he may think he played well but just cos he beat barge @rse whitnell does not mean he played well, he fumbled and stuffed up every time he went near the ball.
the otehr 3 games he was as bad as usual
whats happened is the tigers have been embarressed to have a so called AA in the team playing so poorly, they had no choice but to drop the drop kick gas because his disposal and constand falling over and fumbles became beyond a joke
now i see what jackstar means when he says the tigers are a circus .
how can we be a serious team if we keep playing these idiots
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whats happened is the tigers have been embarressed to have a so called AA in the team playing so poorly, they had no choice but to drop the drop kick gas because his disposal and constand falling over and fumbles became beyond a joke
now i see what jackstar means when he says the tigers are a circus .
how can we be a serious team if we keep playing these idiots
haha the son and l had been talking over the last 5 weeks X about Gasper always being on the ground after a contest & no 2nd effort so my son has been playing full back when he was going to ground, l yell out Gasper
l follow him end to end during the game getting right begind the goals
he knows exactly what l wanted from him, if he wanted me watching him play each week
its funny as it really got to him :cheers cheers big ears & l know how much you really like Darren
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I have no concern with Wallace coz hes gonna coach us for the next 2 1/2 years atleast but Greg Miller needs to resign from the board and open up his position on the board to someone else who can come in and be a possible replacement president.
No need to replace the president Ramps...just need to give him the right tools to work with!
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No need to replace the president Ramps...just need to give him the right tools to work with!
We've already had too many of those running the show. 8) No more, thanks.
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No need to replace the president Ramps...just need to give him the right tools to work with!
We've already had too many of those running the show. 8) No more, thanks.
:rollin
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No need to replace the president Ramps...just need to give him the right tools to work with!
We've already had too many of those running the show. 8) No more, thanks.
;D yes tools they are indeed!
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The young blokes are coming on faster than expected before the start of the year. The surprise bonus is a number are KPPs. Gas and Kingsley were on the list to give our young KPPs extra time at Coburg to develop and work their way towards earning a AFL game. The fact is they don't need that extra time at VFL level. They are good and talented enough to develop and learn at AFL level. If you thought Polak, McGuane and Hughes would be doing anywhere near as well as they are prior to the start of the season then you must be psychic.
If a club has faith in its ability to develop players, build their confidence and get the best out of them then they don’t need to be psychic to know players and teams can develop and improve quickly.
Have we just been hedging our bets to now? We think we’ve recruited well but we’re not sure. We think we can get something good out of our players, but we’re not sure about that either.
Just in case, we’ll hang on to some for longer than necessary and go recruit players from somewhere else to prevent the players of tomorrow from gaining valuable experience, and get them to follow their lead, even though we’ve recruited players with initiative. If all else fails we’ll just play the kids.
Where’s the Club’s faith if it’s not in recruiting, not in coaching, and not in the players, because all we’ve done to now is stifle player development through short term, stop gap measures. As long as there’s a good club/player culture in place, and a second tier competition where players out of form can go back to then players don’t need to get games when they don’t deserve them, then what’s the problem?
Anyway, moving on. I hope.
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There's a problem when below par senior players believe they are too good for VFL level. The Club has had enough.
As for our young blokes, there's a balance between getting AFL games and experience into them and Zac Dawson-ing them. The latter does untold damage to their development and confidence.
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I don't see a problem with having a contingency plan / insurance for if the young players might have taken a fair chunk of the year to be ready. I fail to see how that equates to not having faith in the ability to develop players.
There's a problem when below par senior players believe they are too good for VFL level.
Too right. Any senior player who believes he's too good for VFL level should prove it if dropped to there and show it's beneath him rather than take his bat and ball and go home.
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There's a problem when below par senior players believe they are too good for VFL level. The Club has had enough.
As for our young blokes, there's a balance between getting AFL games and experience into them and Zac Dawson-ing them. The latter does untold damage to their development and confidence.
If you have coaches, who know how to bring them through, show faith in them and grow their confidence, rather than destroy them, then there doesn’t need to be an issue. I question whether we know how to do that.
The issue isn’t with the coaching staff, it’s with RFC. When Clubs recruit coaches they need to know what their strengths and weaknesses are and cover all the necessary areas, in whatever way will make it possible to get the best out of players.
Clubs that chase their tails, from one season to the next, wondering why they never get anywhere are the ones who fail to recognise this basic need. RFC’s been at the top of that list.
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I don't see a problem with having a contingency plan / insurance for if the young players might have taken a fair chunk of the year to be ready. I fail to see how that equates to not having faith in the ability to develop players.
You reap what you sow. If you have faith in your ability to develop players, why do you need a contingency plan? Contingency plan for what? For when you fail to develop players? Doesn’t show any sort of faith to me, or even a basic understanding of what coaching is about.
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I don't see a problem with having a contingency plan / insurance for if the young players might have taken a fair chunk of the year to be ready. I fail to see how that equates to not having faith in the ability to develop players.
You reap what you sow. If you have faith in your ability to develop players, why do you need a contingency plan? Contingency plan for what? For when you fail to develop players? Doesn’t show any sort of faith to me, or even a basic understanding of what coaching is about.
Best post for ages!
Everyone bags the Hawks and Clarkson, well hello!
They have developed and are continuing developing there list!
Penny has only dropped with Wallace after 2 years and five rounds,.
Do people actually know what they are doing at Footy Clubs ::)
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Do people actually know what they are doing at Footy Clubs
You're absolutely right, Jack. Of course someone on a footy forum would have more of a basic understanding of what coaching is about than a senior AFL coach.
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IMHO Gaspar certainly struggled last week and had been OK in his other games.
What I am most disappointed about is how its all been handled.
Mark Robinson writes a piece about how the RFC needs to "tank" by playing the kids. 3 days later Tiv is dropped (again only my opinion but clearly the scape goat for the poor form of a number of senior players) and Gas retires after a discussion with the coach. It again looks like we've buckled under the pressure
We look like a bunch monkeys looking for peanuts but aren't quite sure what the peanuts look like :P
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It was Gas's decision to retire - nobody made him.
He was told what the club were trying to do/achieve - it wasn't nice, but they were honest with him.
If he'd thought about it, he might have considered himself lucky to be there in the first place knowing we had a youth policy and needed to make changes quickly that unfortunately, in reality, take years considering the shape of our club when Wallace took over.
I hope he can sit back in a few years and say the sacrificing of himself was worth it :thumbsup
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Well why wouldnt he retire, he has been told he wont play again.
What's the point, he has nothing left to prove by playing in the VFL.
Having played at the top level for over ten years football to Gas is about playing in the seniors.
If he isnt going to be considered for the seniors then why waste his time.
He can now concetrate on developing the younger players skill level :lol
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What's the point, he has nothing left to prove by playing in the VFL.
He also had nothing really to add to the club - he probably should have gone last year!
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He also had nothing really to add to the club - he probably should have gone last year!
He did when he was re-signed. McGuane hadn't kicked on yet and Polak hadn't been recruited.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. :) Young players becoming ready to play seniors quicker than anticipated is better again. :thumbsup
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He did when he was re-signed. McGuane hadn't kicked on yet and Polak hadn't been recruited.
That's adding something by default that we had no-one else lol
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That's adding something by default that we had no-one else lol
Not by default on my part. That's what I actually thought back then. :( :D
I hoped a few players would overtake him. Not totally convinced it has happened yet but feeling much better and trusting the judgement of the people in the best position to make that call.
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and trusting the judgement of the people in the best position to make that call.
According to most on here lately that must be Drac the bootstudder :rollin
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IMHO Gaspar certainly struggled last week and had been OK in his other games.
What I am most disappointed about is how its all been handled.
Mark Robinson writes a piece about how the RFC needs to "tank" by playing the kids. 3 days later Tiv is dropped (again only my opinion but clearly the scape goat for the poor form of a number of senior players) and Gas retires after a discussion with the coach. It again looks like we've buckled under the pressure
We look like a bunch monkeys looking for peanuts but aren't quite sure what the peanuts look like :P
it was just a coincidence that these things happened days after the article.
tivs dropping was deserved and was probably decided weeks earlier, well i thing it was. i quite clearly recall TW say 3 weeks ago that all players were given 5-6 weeks to prove themselves. he said it takes a few weeks to see really how their form is. he said this iirc after rnd3, thats b4 the article . then by rnd 6 we have krak out, tiv out, gas gone, petts tuck and others on the ropes. even richo it looks like has been told, re invent urslelf elsewhere to get a game as u r no longer no1 fwd or your gone too!
tiv deserved to be dropped, he played well in rnd 1 and benn crap since, his work esp off the ball is disgraceful.
wont be surprised if by the end of the yr richo and joel both retire or look elsewhere
the only way we can go fwd is get rid of everything linked to past failures, and that means everything . no man is bigger than the club. if its ok to sack ppl like hafey, kb , knights etc, its ok to sack richo joel etc etc
we must look for teh future and have a team list that does not have failure in it
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Well why wouldnt he retire, he has been told he wont play again.
What's the point, he has nothing left to prove by playing in the VFL.
Having played at the top level for over ten years football to Gas is about playing in the seniors.
If he isnt going to be considered for the seniors then why waste his time.
He can now concetrate on developing the younger players skill level :lol
the point is if he loved teh club as much as he bs and says e does, he would have played teh yr out at coburg, work his guts out , just to show teh kids teh way and lead by example, teach tehm even if your not getting picked to keep bustibng ur pooper cos the harder you work the more chance you will get. he could have stayed on as a spare wheel , incase thursty, mguane, polak, or moore have a serious injury .
but no he is a self centred dog and i never thought much of the money hungary talentless dog and never will
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Well why wouldnt he retire, he has been told he wont play again.
What's the point, he has nothing left to prove by playing in the VFL.
Having played at the top level for over ten years football to Gas is about playing in the seniors.
If he isnt going to be considered for the seniors then why waste his time.
He can now concetrate on developing the younger players skill level :lol
well said Bull
Darren was also frustrated & losing confidence in the game itself & was not enjoying it this year
The stupid rules the AFL bring in every year is taking the backman & the contest out of the game
This helped his decision to move out of the game completly as some bashers on the forums dont realize he played footy at top level for over 10 years & was rewared with a B&F + AA alot alot of respect from me as a supporter & friend
The rule changes are a sham this year
you cant touch a player so why not just stand back & let the forward mark it & hope he kicks like Rocca l mean Richo & Shultz ;D
we get touched & its holding the ball but f.me Judd gets spun around 360 & gets let off to kick a goal where is the standard of the holding the ball, gee we all seen so far this year if you get caught the ball its very simple holding the ball so what is the rule holding the ball cause being a old football trying to coach l got no idea myself so what am l gunna tell your kids at training
Maybe l get my wife to ring her idiot cousin Geish & ask him to come out & tell us at the family home what & how its applied l will invite the media around he can tell the world cause its got me well & truely *******
The umpire wont bounce the ball anymore simply cause they cant ******* bounce anyway so throw it up sissy gee if ya run into them by accident vice versa you get reported
the kids of today are soft anyway compared to how we played the game if you didnot come off the ground with scratches & pouring blood you didnot try hard enough you wont get in the best or get your money this week
its simple pussy footy ;D, l mean easy football today the grounds are manicured to be very soft the turf comes out from under you & you break your leg like Gary Lyon & have a squeal of agony
there is no slaps like Sammy Newman anymore you get reported for crap & you cant even go down the pub anymore after dark of being afraid of getting slapped by the girl you didnot reconize from the night before & dont remember her name after blowing a joint with her & she blowing you ;D vice versa for the gals moi :thumbsup
& to top it off you cant go to the after game party chatting with the players & there girls for fear of the media preying on a story that you were talking to your teammates wife & your having a affair
the umpires dont come cause of fear they gunna get caught kissing each other fair dinkum if todays game is crap & the AFL rules going to spoil it for me watching poo l aint gunna bother watching anymore l give all my football commitments away take my kids out of the game & let them play soccer maybe they can make league there & make some millions without little salary caps that would make a man give up his earns to play in front of the squealing Tiger supporters who say Gasper should have retired years ago
have a nice day enjoy the footy :gotigers
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Maybe l get my wife to ring her idiot cousin Geish & ask him to come out & tell us at the family home what & how its applied l will invite the media around he can tell the world cause its got me well & truely *******
Hahahaha!
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Well why wouldnt he retire, he has been told he wont play again.
What's the point, he has nothing left to prove by playing in the VFL.
Having played at the top level for over ten years football to Gas is about playing in the seniors.
If he isnt going to be considered for the seniors then why waste his time.
He can now concetrate on developing the younger players skill level :lol
Now X dont be like that l know you like Gas more than me you told me so ;D
the point is if he loved teh club as much as he bs and says e does, he would have played teh yr out at coburg, work his guts out , just to show teh kids teh way and lead by example, teach tehm even if your not getting picked to keep bustibng ur pooper cos the harder you work the more chance you will get. he could have stayed on as a spare wheel , incase thursty, mguane, polak, or moore have a serious injury .
but no he is a self centred dog and i never thought much of the money hungary talentless dog and never will
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Do people actually know what they are doing at Footy Clubs
You're absolutely right, Jack. Of course someone on a footy forum would have more of a basic understanding of what coaching is about than a senior AFL coach.
Not sure where it says that an AFL coach would be more knowledgeable about these things than a mere mortal. TW might know about implementing a game plan, which I wouldn't, but he's got a long way to go as far as being a coach goes.
As I posted on another thread, some AFL coaches aren't even able to get themselves out of the doldrums, let alone their players. But because they're an AFL coach, we should unerringly trust in them, even though we can think for ourselves.
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Not sure where it says that an AFL coach would be more knowledgeable about these things than a mere mortal.
I'm sure mere mortals could have applied for the job. They didn't. Terry did. We got Terry. End of story.
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Maybe l get my wife to ring her idiot cousin Geish & ask him to come out & tell us at the family home what & how its applied l will invite the media around he can tell the world cause its got me well & truely *******
The umpire wont bounce the ball anymore simply cause they cant ******* bounce anyway so throw it up sissy gee if ya run into them by accident vice versa you get reported
Tigermonk, haven't you been reading the posts lately, you're not allowed to say ****** or ****** anymore, it's been banned by the moderators! You *****!!!!
:lol
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Maybe l get my wife to ring her idiot cousin Geish & ask him to come out & tell us at the family home what & how its applied l will invite the media around he can tell the world cause its got me well & truely *******
The umpire wont bounce the ball anymore simply cause they cant ******* bounce anyway so throw it up sissy gee if ya run into them by accident vice versa you get reported
Tigermonk, haven't you been reading the posts lately, you're not allowed to say ****** or ****** anymore, it's been banned by the moderators! You *****!!!!
:lol
;D
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So did we miss Gas down back last night? :whistle
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So did we miss Gas down back last night? :whistle
Not sure if he would have made much difference at all Stephanie the way the Cats were playing....they well hell bent on a mission to smash us and we just went to pieces....possibly the whole situation regarding darren might have played on the minds somewhat leading into the game though.
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So did we miss Gas down back last night? :whistle
if gas played it woudl have been more embarrassing and we would have lost by 200pts
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If gas played the structure of the team would have been different with the element of experience you cant chuck kids to the wolves expect them to do a 200 gamers job on not so good forwards in Mooney & N Ablett as it showed we got beat by more points yesterday than in our whole 5 games together
Our structure is poo to say the least in team respect we lose a ruckman & everything falls apart surely if you gunna play kids you have Pattison playing off the bench & taking Gasper from the side surely you would have Polak at Fullback does TW know what he is doing why was newman in the forward line he only got a scratch on his head
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gaspar woudl have made no diference except add more goals to geelong
now its time for sugar to be gaspared
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we have no players left if you keep killing them X
maybe TW will ask Gas to come back nicely help his bro's out of the doldrums :help
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i would rather see us with 22 young kids out their getting thumped than a team of kids getting thumped with guys like gaspar, tiv, sugar, and joel in the team
richo should be the only older player in this team , make him interim captain this yr until we get judd next yr :pray
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maybe thats why the tigers are tanking maybe they gunna offload heaps of players get Judd as a #1 uncontracted ;D its laughable it wont happen but even if it did we still need players around him like Kerr cause we aint got no bonecrunchers in the club everyteam knows that we are peeweak side who wont fight
someone ran into mooney on the boundryline l cant remeber who but the tiger player bounced off to the ground it was a soft hit
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Sheesh - go away for a few days and the place goes down the toilet. :gobdrop
Gas retired, Hall suspended and 157 thrashings. :banghead
Great advertisement for the club. Come to Richmond. If we don't sack you, we'll thoroughly demoralise you that you wish you were never born.
And what's with all the nudge, nudge, wink, wink stuff. ??? If you guys know something, just come out and say it for Pete's sake! You can't go on about confidentiality and then drop cryptic hints. Either put up or shut up.
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Interesting that Mark Williams at Port has "gaspared" Darryl Wakelin by replacing him with their young defender Carlilie, yet Wakelin is willing to play on in the SANFL as back-up in case of a recall.
While young Alipate Carlile is excited by a rare chance to establish himself as a key defender, the veteran he replaced, Darryl Wakelin, seems ready to accept the fact that his playing days are rapidly drawing to a close. Williams softened the interesting change by saying: "You know, Darryl will look forward to getting back into the side, and at the same time Alipate will look forward to playing some games and getting experience. As I said, moving forward is a vital step and one which Darryl was very much aware of at the start of the year."
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/port-might-lose-gray/2007/07/06/1183351461449.html
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Good to see Gas acknowledged at the Grand Final with the other retirees. He had his hands full with his two little bubbas.
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Yes it was good to see Darren there he was a good player and deserved it
what he didnot deserve was to have his throat cut by Wallace the way he did early in the year when he could have played 3rd tall to Thursfield & McGuane & l'm sure they would have like to have him next to them to help them learn
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After round 5 with 2007 a write-off, the Club was prepared to play the kids (like McGuane) for the future. In any case Gas still could have played more games if he was prepared to play VFL after being dropped instead of immediately retiring.
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Would be more progress to play in the side with McGuane & Thursfield
Gaspers decision was based on family not football which is what l would have chosen if my career was told its over
things like that should be done properly like end of season
he works for the club its his job, if your boss terminated your contract would you do as he wants & lick his ass
Gasper had alot more to offer the CLUB shafted him
Richmond & Wallace shafted themselves there plan backfired
l'm glad he told Wallace to ******* ;D
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Yes it was good to see Darren there he was a good player and deserved it
what he didnot deserve was to have his throat cut by Wallace the way he did early in the year when he could have played 3rd tall to Thursfield & McGuane & l'm sure they would have like to have him next to them to help them learn
stuff gaspar.
He was axed because he sttod around at the Gv WV with his hands on his hips and didn't care a dam.
Regardless of what good he achieved in the past,he let it all go down the s bend with the way he reacted to being dropped.
As far as im concerned,he deserves nothing.
*spits a huge gorby and punches picture of gas*
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Would be more progress to play in the side with McGuane & Thursfield
Gaspers decision was based on family not football which is what l would have chosen if my career was told its over
things like that should be done properly like end of season
he works for the club its his job, if your boss terminated your contract would you do as he wants & lick his ass
Gasper had alot more to offer the CLUB shafted him
Richmond & Wallace shafted themselves there plan backfired
l'm glad he told Wallace to ******* ;D
Spot on.
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Would be more progress to play in the side with McGuane & Thursfield
Gaspers decision was based on family not football which is what l would have chosen if my career was told its over
things like that should be done properly like end of season
he works for the club its his job, if your boss terminated your contract would you do as he wants & lick his ass
Gasper had alot more to offer the CLUB shafted him
Richmond & Wallace shafted themselves there plan backfired
l'm glad he told Wallace to ******* ;D
Disagree on this one Tigermonk. It was always going to be Gas' final year anyway and all players know the coach has a right to decide who plays each week. Tivs didn't retire when he was dropped back to the VFL. He went back to Coburg and earnt his place back.
You also couldn't play Gas, Thursty and McGuane in the same side. Gas can't play a rebounding role due to his poor footskills so he would've had to take a KP role ahead of the cubs. He was a stopper which was fine in his prime when he won AA but not anymore. Defenders now days need to set up attacks.
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;D ok so we dont agree on this case dismissed