One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 09, 2009, 10:46:07 AM
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The next up is the much maligned Jordie. Stats wise 2008 was his best year in his whole career so far. The first time he averaged over 20 possessions.
What are your expectations for him in 2009 and what would he have to do to silence most of his critics?
Career at Richmond so far
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B
2008 22 22.9 5.9 1.6 6.7
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=13
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I expect him to be widely criticised.
To a certain extent I dont think he can silence his critics as being tough and accountable doesn't fit well with the role he plays in the side. He will always cop criticism because of
- his role vs playing style
- his clangers which because they are in the back half are usually costly even though his kicking efficiency is high
- being swapped for a high draft pick
- coming from the bulldogs
Stats as per last year would be good and a lessening of the clangers too would let the pressure off to a degree
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Well said Chuck. ;)
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He is another one of TW "skinny under 60kgs" lovechilds following the sad footsteps of Patrick Bowden.
Pathetic choice for trading a top 20 draft pick and i expect him to continiue as he did last year.
Unnacountable football is all he is good for.
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The way football is played these days, I reckon I'd be able to get 20 kicks on a HBF. Those stats mean nothing.
As has been pointed out, needs to reduce clangers.
I'd like to think that the young tall defenders at Richmond can put pressure on McMahon's spot. But then again he is Wallace's lovechild and is unlikely to be dropped.
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McMahon's clangers are often from a lack of workrate up fields. When you have no options you are forced to try and thread the needle and from coming out of defence, a turnover is always going to look bad.
With another year in our kids fitness base, hopefully we will be working harder to get into space and McMahon's output will reflect that.
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Quite right Infamy, one needs to look at the whole picture.
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Tackles - 1.6
Says a lot.
For him to impress me this year he obviously needs to lay at least 6 punishing tackles a match...at least!
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I expect McMahon will cost Wallace his coaching job.
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I expect that McMahon will be dropped the week after he costs Wallace his coaching job :lol
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aaahhh here come the mcmahon baggers.
knew it wouldn't take long before they would start popping out.
fact is we do not need another player who CANT lay tackles, CANT put on weight and is a defensive type of player.
He is rubbish and its good to see some of you coming to your senses.
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I expect it to be a year like 2008
Although in 2009 I reckon he isn't guaranteed a game every week, there areblokes who can do that role now
But seriously if we didn't have the Tiger Forums of the world would be pretty boring :rollin
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I expect that McMahon will be dropped the week after he costs Wallace his coaching job :lol
:lol
I expect you're right.
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I expect Jordan McMahon to be blamed for every loss we have this year.
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Tackles - 1.6
Says a lot.
For him to impress me this year he obviously needs to lay at least 6 punishing tackles a match...at least!
That's pretty much impossible unless you're an inside midfielder. In fact only Brett Kirk averaged more than 6 tackles a game last year and only barely at that. I can hardly see a back flanker or winger doing it, I'd say it's never been done in the history of the game.
McMahon layed FAR more tackles than Lindsay Gilbee last year, in fact 50% more with less games played.
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Tackles - 1.6
Says a lot.
For him to impress me this year he obviously needs to lay at least 6 punishing tackles a match...at least!
That's pretty much impossible unless you're an inside midfielder. In fact only Brett Kirk averaged more than 6 tackles a game last year and only barely at that. I can hardly see a back flanker or winger doing it, I'd say it's never been done in the history of the game.
McMahon layed FAR more tackles than Lindsay Gilbee last year, in fact 50% more with less games played.
get out of his behind will ya?
Jordy this Jordy that. allright already.
next your going to tell me he was our best recruit by the length of the straight.
give it up he is rubbish
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Tackles - 1.6
Says a lot.
For him to impress me this year he obviously needs to lay at least 6 punishing tackles a match...at least!
That's pretty much impossible unless you're an inside midfielder. In fact only Brett Kirk averaged more than 6 tackles a game last year and only barely at that. I can hardly see a back flanker or winger doing it, I'd say it's never been done in the history of the game.
McMahon layed FAR more tackles than Lindsay Gilbee last year, in fact 50% more with less games played.
get out of his behind will ya?
Jordy this Jordy that. allright already.
next your going to tell me he was our best recruit by the length of the straight.
give it up he is rubbish
Let's not let facts get in the way of a personal bias hey Daniel!
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fact is we do not need another player who CANT lay tackles, CANT put on weight and is a defensive type of player.
You got me here, are you saying you dont need defenders or that Jordan is a defensive type even for being a defender.
I thought you would have to classify him as an attacking defender, he certainly uses run and carry (and yes I know there are questions on his effectiveness)
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Tackles - 1.6
Says a lot.
For him to impress me this year he obviously needs to lay at least 6 punishing tackles a match...at least!
That's pretty much impossible unless you're an inside midfielder. In fact only Brett Kirk averaged more than 6 tackles a game last year and only barely at that. I can hardly see a back flanker or winger doing it, I'd say it's never been done in the history of the game.
McMahon layed FAR more tackles than Lindsay Gilbee last year, in fact 50% more with less games played.
get out of his behind will ya?
Jordy this Jordy that. allright already.
next your going to tell me he was our best recruit by the length of the straight.
give it up he is rubbish
You couldn't be more wrong, although you're probably used to that
I was NOT happy with the pick we gave up to get him and I'm pretty confident that when Selwood AND Rance slipped down to that pick that they knew they paid too much, I don't think it'll happen again, however we should have learnt our lesson before that. He was a player we didn't need more of his type and we still had too many deficiencies that needed replacing with high picks.
HOWEVER
I'd just like a little perspective. Despite his flaws, he does have some ability and he's playing his role as a fast link man out of defence who is there to break the lines. I agree that some of his clangers are terrible, but his kicking efficiency is one of the highest in the AFL. He doesn't do the safe "Joel Bowden" thing and kick sideways to a free player, he is trying to take the opposition on and be damaging. This will always result in some turnovers as it's a more high risk option and if the players up field aren't leading into space then he will have to kick to a contest.
Expecting a player like McMahon to have a high tackle count is pretty silly as it's not his job. That doesn't excuse him from avoiding a contest or giving up a chase, but it does mean that's not his primary focus. As I said in my last post, he has far more tackles than Lindsay Gilbee who is considered one of the best HBFs in the game.
I know stats don't tell everything, however in 2008 we can compare the two
McMahon 22 Game 313 Kick 130 Mark 191 HBall 504 Disp 6 Goal 7 Behind 36 Tack
L Gilbee 24 Games 352 Kick 112 Mark 157 HBall 509 Disp 14 Goal 8 Behind 24 Tack
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I know stats don't tell everything
You're right about that.