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Title: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: tiger till i die on May 23, 2009, 10:21:47 PM
Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years ...... i dont know what to say ....... can we go on as club from now on ???? is this the second coming of Geez for the RFC?

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Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 23, 2009, 10:26:56 PM
Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years ...... i dont know what to say ....... can we go on as club from now on ???? is this the second coming of Geez for the RFC?

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Mate this the lowest this club has been at full stop! No unity among players, staff or supporters. I am embarrased that all the media will laughing their putrid little guts out! Oh and do would be Daniel and Jack, sorry guys for the cheap shot but im devo at the moment!
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Jackstar is back on May 23, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
tonite highlighted how bad we are.
Players abusing each in the 3rd quarter when the bombers got a run on.
and rolled over and died in the last quarter
Bombers are a good team with plenty of players to come back in
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 24, 2009, 12:27:13 AM
Whole club is a shambles from the board down, from the inside and out. Anybody with any substance would have at least done something after the weeks events.
Too weak.
We are reactive in a negative way and not positive.
I don't think we have reached the bottom of the barrel yet. Terry is still coach and I just sit and wonder how that will transpire and what recent events will lead to it.

Freo round 10 loss
Dogs round 11 loss
Eagles at the Dome if that is a bad loss could be a repeat of the Adel game in 04.
If we win he may still be the only coach to get sacked after a win.

Either way club is a shambles and club is the worst of any of the 16 in the AFL.
It hurts but we have to wear it unfortunantely.
I just hope that a good person who has the resources power and clout who wants good and success of the club will arrive soon otherwise we will be the new St Kilda and our only flag this century will arrive 75 years after our last one. Then again we already may be the new St Kilda.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on May 24, 2009, 12:36:02 AM
stuff
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 24, 2009, 02:05:50 AM
Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years ...... i dont know what to say ....... can we go on as club from now on ???? is this the second coming of Geez for the RFC?

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Mate this the lowest this club has been at full stop! No unity among players, staff or supporters. I am embarrased that all the media will laughing their putrid little guts out! Oh and do would be Daniel and Jack, sorry guys for the cheap shot but im devo at the moment!

i know it was tongue and cheek but you have no idea how dissapointing this is to see.

I said it on another thread a few days ago this is the worst period our club has gone through  since the Save our Skins days.

It does not get any lower than this IMO
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Chuck17 on May 24, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
For me the dissapointment has passed after the realisation early on that we werent up to scratch to play comptetitive footy consistently.

From the last few weeks on it has been just confirmation of where we are at and the false dawn of 2009.

That said it may as well go on as it is the way to get a top draft pick for next year and hopefully 3 in the first 20.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on May 24, 2009, 09:59:09 AM
l'm used to it

biggest in 5 years is Raines, father / son was over done at Tigerland.  thats why our club is suffering still
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on May 24, 2009, 10:09:26 AM
its gonna get worse, we will be forced to merge with western sydney, we are poo but have a big supporter base so the afl will do their stats and if 50% or even 40% will still support the west tigers from melbourne.

the writing is on the wall, cos as a club here in melb we r stuffed
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: wayne on May 24, 2009, 10:16:34 AM
I know we were 1-7 going into this game and there is a split between players and coach BUT....

I still don't know how the Bumbers could man handle us like that.

They have Dyson, Lovett-Murray, Winderlich, McPhee, Lonergan, Jetta, Neagle and Slattery in their team FFS!!!  :banghead

Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Ramps on May 24, 2009, 10:19:43 AM
its gonna get worse, we will be forced to merge with western sydney, we are poo but have a big supporter base so the afl will do their stats and if 50% or even 40% will still support the west tigers from melbourne.

the writing is on the wall, cos as a club here in melb we r stuffed

I wrote this weeks ago in here, Im just waiting for the first story to emerge, of a union between us and the Wests Tigers NRL club in Sydney. To create a Western Sydney superclub. A journo will probably run with this story soon. And TT is right, we are stuffed, the club better start to do something soon, in terms of creating more positive perceptions.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 24, 2009, 10:40:39 AM
its gonna get worse, we will be forced to merge with western sydney, we are poo but have a big supporter base so the afl will do their stats and if 50% or even 40% will still support the west tigers from melbourne.

the writing is on the wall, cos as a club here in melb we r stuffed

I wrote this weeks ago in here, Im just waiting for the first story to emerge, of a union between us and the Wests Tigers NRL club in Sydney. To create a Western Sydney superclub. A journo will probably run with this story soon. And TT is right, we are stuffed, the club better start to do something soon, in terms of creating more positive perceptions.

that happens and i never will go to another game again and i will be the second person to dump manure, this time at AFL House.

more positiver perceptions Ramps would be dump Newman, Raines, Petticoat NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

They are worth a pick each on the top 30 on the open market. This is GOLD for us moving forward.

We have to do a Hawthorn and top up our draft picks by making some hard decisions. As a club this is something we have never done before.

Might have to consider if Tambling and Foley will win us a flag also. If NOT goodbye
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: WA Tiger on May 24, 2009, 10:58:12 AM
Yes very disapointing but can anyone remember a club called St Kilda many years ago, they were pathetic, I mean worse than us now 10 times over. ..................... how quickly things turn around!!!! In 5 years we won't be speaking about the loss last night, we will be talking about whether we will be top of the ladder or second at the end of the season.... :thumbsup
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: camboon on May 24, 2009, 02:20:45 PM
Your right about StKilda, but they were able to get so many early draft picks it wasn't funny. We wont have that opportunity as not only do we have to compete with Melbourne who dont want to win more than 4 we will have to compete with the new clubs.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Stripes on May 24, 2009, 03:52:28 PM
While we remain so successful off the field with attendances, memberships, ratings etc we will never move from Melbourne.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on May 24, 2009, 04:27:12 PM
Yes very disapointing but can anyone remember a club called St Kilda many years ago, they were pathetic, I mean worse than us now 10 times over. ..................... how quickly things turn around!!!! In 5 years we won't be speaking about the loss last night, we will be talking about whether we will be top of the ladder or second at the end of the season.... :thumbsup

different times , different era

fitzroy, 9 flags, 1 less than us, were a competive team untile finances struck them and all their stars left
saints , dogs 1 flag , but have more upside than us now. its now that matters not history to the afl

brisbane have a good following here bc of fitzroy, they will do the same to us because we are a basket case
While we remain so successful off the field with attendances, memberships, ratings etc we will never move from Melbourne.

wrong, afl wont give a poo about that,   even though we have good members, we are still in big debt, we have to get our act together or we are dead

would not surprise me at all if the afl are behind our demise, umpires never give us a fair go, afl never help us , it smells and it smells bad

we saved ourselves once, next time it wont be our call bc the afl own us
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: mat073 on May 24, 2009, 04:35:48 PM
Biggest disappointment of the last 5 years was the injury to Nathan Brown.

We have foolishly waited for years for him to get back to his 2005 form.....It was never going to happen.

He has been handy since breaking his leg but we have been robbed of an elite player.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Mr Magic on May 24, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
Biggest disappointment of the last 5 years was the injury to Nathan Brown.

Yep arguably the wheels have been off since that point.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: bojangles17 on May 24, 2009, 05:17:50 PM
its gonna get worse, we will be forced to merge with western sydney, we are poo but have a big supporter base so the afl will do their stats and if 50% or even 40% will still support the west tigers from melbourne.

the writing is on the wall, cos as a club here in melb we r stuffed

football clubs immediate viability is based more than simply where we finish on the ladder in the current year it's the complete business model...we have successfully managed to avoid AFL drip feed support despite going thru a rough trot , this is testament to our club being a going concern..sure we need to start again however I'm firm that we are better placed to commence that path than when TW began when our best 2 youngsters were Fiora and Zantuck :gotigers
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Smokey on May 24, 2009, 07:27:06 PM

would not surprise me at all if the afl are behind our demise, umpires never give us a fair go, afl never help us , it smells and it smells bad


 :lol   :rollin   :lol
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on May 24, 2009, 07:33:39 PM
no team has had such a stuffed up modern era like us, even fitzroy were better than us but they got shafted,

carlton a few years ago were gone, but rebounded, we have been poo since 1983

i dont trust the afl, they have their own agenda , they didnt even have the balls to move the roos but they will 4 us
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Smokey on May 24, 2009, 07:49:55 PM

...... even fitzroy were better than us but they got shafted,


 :lol   :rollin   :lol
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on May 24, 2009, 07:55:29 PM
fitzroy were only totally crap onfield in there last few yrs, bec all there guns left cos of finances, roos, pert, lynch, broderick, osborne,...etc they also lost champions like superboot, conlan, lyon etc

but onfield when they had those players they were a damn good team and made finals

we have only made finals once since 82

so keep laughing stuff face
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Smokey on May 24, 2009, 08:16:41 PM

even fitzroy were better than us but they got shafted,


OK then.

Quote

fitzroy were only totally crap onfield in there last few yrs, bec all there guns left cos of finances, .....


Aaaahhh, the magical invisible conditions to your statement.

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but onfield when they had those players they were a damn good team and made finals


And that was worth what to them because they were a financial shambles????

Quote

so keep laughing eff face


OK then.   :lol   :rollin   :lol
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 24, 2009, 09:53:00 PM
fitzroy were only totally crap onfield in there last few yrs, bec all there guns left cos of finances, roos, pert, lynch, broderick, osborne,...etc they also lost champions like superboot, conlan, lyon etc

but onfield when they had those players they were a damn good team and made finals

we have only made finals once since 82

so keep laughing eff face

Twice actually TT 1995 and 2001.
Fitzroy have made them 3 times since 1982 in 83,84 and 86.
Says alot about us doesn't it. :banghead
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 24, 2009, 10:06:06 PM
have to say it was Brown breaking his leg

Robbed us and footy in general of a superstar - although last night his first half was great
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: bojangles17 on May 24, 2009, 10:37:21 PM
no team has had such a stuffed up modern era like us, even fitzroy were better than us but they got shafted,

carlton a few years ago were gone, but rebounded, we have been poo since 1983

i dont trust the afl, they have their own agenda , they didnt even have the balls to move the roos but they will 4 us

err, thats because they attracted less than 10k to a game, couldnt secure major sponsors and had a debt that was ballooning by the week.(read there book, I have)..Thats when the liquidators moved in...about the only decent decison we made in last 12 mths was to sign cuzz, I estimate we earnt 1.5-2mn out of it in members and extra gate receipts
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 24, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
have to say it was Brown breaking his leg

Robbed us and footy in general of a superstar - although last night his first half was great

your point is???

i care little about how players play for 60 minutes. the game is not played in halves and N.Brown can go get stuffed.

selfish little prick can go sail into the sunset with Terry. Good riddons
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 24, 2009, 11:19:26 PM
Exactly I am sick of us carrying big name players whose reputations are inflated.

Browny played half a game big deal. Ablett played four quarters on Friday night.
So did Aker and Winderlich played four quarters last night. Who played four quarters for us last night????? Nobody oh wait we had a few and they played 4 poo quarters.
If we are happy for players who are match fit to play a good 60 minutes 4 years after they broke their leg then noone should be upset that we are 1-8 and that we have been overrun in the last quarter of games in each of the last 3 weeks.

I am sick of our underachievement failure and inflated ego bags that our players are.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Infamy on May 24, 2009, 11:36:18 PM
Not sure how Browny is expected to be 100% match fit in his 2nd game back from injury
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 24, 2009, 11:59:09 PM
Not sure how Browny is expected to be 100% match fit in his 2nd game back from injury

Yep those excuses are what I am talking about. :thumbsup

Friday night was Ablett's first game back from injury and Chapman's too and they excelled and contributed for four quarters and if Chapman did not unluckily dislocate his finger with 10 minutes to go which was not related to his injury last week which resulted in him not playing the result would not have rested on the last kick of the match.

Examples such as this clearly indicate why we are a bottom 8 side and will continue to be.
We make excuses for players coming back from injury, suspension etc etc whilst others from other clubs just fly and do what they have to do to succeed.
Examples like that are a slur and an indictment on the RFC.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Smokey on May 25, 2009, 08:43:33 AM
Not sure how Browny is expected to be 100% match fit in his 2nd game back from injury

Yep those excuses are what I am talking about. :thumbsup

Friday night was Ablett's first game back from injury and Chapman's too and they excelled and contributed for four quarters and if Chapman did not unluckily dislocate his finger with 10 minutes to go which was not related to his injury last week which resulted in him not playing the result would not have rested on the last kick of the match.

Examples such as this clearly indicate why we are a bottom 8 side and will continue to be.
We make excuses for players coming back from injury, suspension etc etc whilst others from other clubs just fly and do what they have to do to succeed.
Examples like that are a slur and an indictment on the RFC.

Agree Tucker.  Instead of only playing the best and fittest we continue to pick sides that have holes.  That's why I keep harping on about not tanking - spend the rest of the season teaching them that only hard work and effort will get you a game.  Play the 22 players who will listen and give you 100% for 4 quarters even if they aren't the marquis or crowd favourites.  Drop a player the first time he doesn't do this, don't make excuses and say he has got 1 more week to show us.  Fear of failure was the single most driving attribute in a successful team in my playing and coaching days, and I'm damn sure it hasn't changed 1 bit since.  Our players might be embarrassed occasionally but they aren't scared to lose and we are never ever going to improve if we don't fix that.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: wayne on May 25, 2009, 09:31:38 AM
Friday night was Ablett's first game back from injury and Chapman's too and they excelled and contributed for four quarters ...

Just on Ablett, he is deadset playing for the Brownlow this season. Breaking team rules trying for the miraculous goals.

I am starting to despise him, he drops like he's just been shot if anyone touches him. That 50 metre free kick he got when Aker tugged on the corner of his jumper was a disgrace. Even against us, he'd just collapse when he got touched, writhe around in pain, then spring up 10 seconds later and be right as rain.

I have a theory that people don't tackle him because they can't, it's because if they do it's likely to end up in a free kick to Ablett.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on May 25, 2009, 09:43:46 AM
Friday night was Ablett's first game back from injury and Chapman's too and they excelled and contributed for four quarters ...

Just on Ablett, he is deadset playing for the Brownlow this season. Breaking team rules trying for the miraculous goals.

I am starting to despise him, he drops like he's just been shot if anyone touches him. That 50 metre free kick he got when Aker tugged on the corner of his jumper was a disgrace. Even against us, he'd just collapse when he got touched, writhe around in pain, then spring up 10 seconds later and be right as rain.

I have a theory that people don't tackle him because they can't, it's because if they do it's likely to end up in a free kick to Ablett.

spot on wayne
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: 1980 on May 25, 2009, 09:46:52 AM
Exactly I am sick of us carrying big name players whose reputations are inflated.

Browny played half a game big deal. Ablett played four quarters on Friday night.
So did Aker and Winderlich played four quarters last night. Who played four quarters for us last night????? Nobody oh wait we had a few and they played 4 poo quarters.
If we are happy for players who are match fit to play a good 60 minutes 4 years after they broke their leg then noone should be upset that we are 1-8 and that we have been overrun in the last quarter of games in each of the last 3 weeks.

I am sick of our underachievement failure and inflated ego bags that our players are.


You mean like Deledio?

Deledio is my biggest disappointment in 5 years. We've made out he was going to be as good as Browny was before he broke the leg, and he's not half as good as that.

Not even in our best let alone an AFL superstar.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: blaisee on May 25, 2009, 11:32:59 AM
Exactly I am sick of us carrying big name players whose reputations are inflated.

Browny played half a game big deal. Ablett played four quarters on Friday night.
So did Aker and Winderlich played four quarters last night. Who played four quarters for us last night????? Nobody oh wait we had a few and they played 4 poo quarters.
If we are happy for players who are match fit to play a good 60 minutes 4 years after they broke their leg then noone should be upset that we are 1-8 and that we have been overrun in the last quarter of games in each of the last 3 weeks.

I am sick of our underachievement failure and inflated ego bags that our players are.


You mean like Deledio?

Deledio is my biggest disappointment in 5 years. We've made out he was going to be as good as Browny was before he broke the leg, and he's not half as good as that.

Not even in our best let alone an AFL superstar.


Deledio is not the problem.

He is an elite footballer playing with a team of hacks.

The team isnt good enough talent wise, we are carrying too many.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Ramps on May 25, 2009, 11:36:44 AM
I agree 100% with Blaisee. If only we had more like Deledio we would be ok, instead we are a rabble.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on May 25, 2009, 12:05:59 PM
deledio is a problem but i dont blame him entirely

yes he is eliteish, he will be elite, but not under walace

deledio clearly is not happy, and its showing on feild and i reckon once wallace is gone he will dominate

im his biggest critic only bec i know what he can do and can become

this year is over, who cares what happens from now on, its just a time wasting exercise until we start fresh next yr with a new coach

another wasted year , this is richmond
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerLand on May 25, 2009, 03:45:14 PM
I agree 100% with Blaisee. If only we had more like Deledio we would be ok, instead we are a rabble.

Yeah well said, expectation are rubbish. Who is anyone to say this guy should be a superstar and if he isn't then he's a failure.

We'd win a lot more football games if we had 22 Deledio's. Just cause he can't carry the side means he deserves to be ridiculed. The guy gets picked at Number 1 and it's forced upon him he has the pressure of being that years best player. He's done very well considering. At the end of the day he's exactly the same as a Matt White or a Kane Johnson over teh journey all have 2 legs and 2 arms just cause he's not Chris Judd means we have to drown the guy.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Smokey on May 25, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
I agree 100% with Blaisee. If only we had more like Deledio we would be ok, instead we are a rabble.

Yeah well said, expectation are rubbish. Who is anyone to say this guy should be a superstar and if he isn't then he's a failure.

We'd win a lot more football games if we had 22 Deledio's. Just cause he can't carry the side means he deserves to be ridiculed. The guy gets picked at Number 1 and it's forced upon him he has the pressure of being that years best player. He's done very well considering. At the end of the day he's exactly the same as a Matt White or a Kane Johnson over teh journey all have 2 legs and 2 arms just cause he's not Chris Judd means we have to drown the guy.

And wouldn't it be good if we applied the same set of expectations to Tambling; after all, he went further down in the draft than Deledio.  If he was a #10 pick we would be rapt with his output thus far - same as Deledio.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: 1980 on May 25, 2009, 10:12:58 PM
Exactly I am sick of us carrying big name players whose reputations are inflated.

Browny played half a game big deal. Ablett played four quarters on Friday night.
So did Aker and Winderlich played four quarters last night. Who played four quarters for us last night????? Nobody oh wait we had a few and they played 4 poo quarters.
If we are happy for players who are match fit to play a good 60 minutes 4 years after they broke their leg then noone should be upset that we are 1-8 and that we have been overrun in the last quarter of games in each of the last 3 weeks.

I am sick of our underachievement failure and inflated ego bags that our players are.


You mean like Deledio?

Deledio is my biggest disappointment in 5 years. We've made out he was going to be as good as Browny was before he broke the leg, and he's not half as good as that.

Not even in our best let alone an AFL superstar.


Deledio is not the problem.

He is an elite footballer playing with a team of hacks.

The team isnt good enough talent wise, we are carrying too many.

I disagree. He is a highly talented and skillful player but doesnt work hard enough or play 4 consistent quarters. Would be a superstar if he did.

Its a tradition down at Richmond to take talented players and ruin them. We did it with both Campbell and Bowden. We pumped them up so much they didnt feel they had to work too hard.


 
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 26, 2009, 12:08:13 AM
Exactly I am sick of us carrying big name players whose reputations are inflated.

Browny played half a game big deal. Ablett played four quarters on Friday night.
So did Aker and Winderlich played four quarters last night. Who played four quarters for us last night????? Nobody oh wait we had a few and they played 4 poo quarters.
If we are happy for players who are match fit to play a good 60 minutes 4 years after they broke their leg then noone should be upset that we are 1-8 and that we have been overrun in the last quarter of games in each of the last 3 weeks.

I am sick of our underachievement failure and inflated ego bags that our players are.


You mean like Deledio?

Deledio is my biggest disappointment in 5 years. We've made out he was going to be as good as Browny was before he broke the leg, and he's not half as good as that.

Not even in our best let alone an AFL superstar.


Deledio is not the problem.

He is an elite footballer playing with a team of hacks.

The team isnt good enough talent wise, we are carrying too many.

I disagree. He is a highly talented and skillful player but doesnt work hard enough or play 4 consistent quarters. Would be a superstar if he did.

Its a tradition down at Richmond to take talented players and ruin them. We did it with both Campbell and Bowden. We pumped them up so much they didnt feel they had to work too hard.


 

Yep and when someone bags the crap out of them its as if someone is being blasphemous.  :whistle
Club is a shambles.
Nine weeks into the season and we have been in the headlines each week for all the wrong reasons and the frenzy does not look like subsiding.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: blaisee on June 02, 2009, 10:16:01 AM
Exactly I am sick of us carrying big name players whose reputations are inflated.

Browny played half a game big deal. Ablett played four quarters on Friday night.
So did Aker and Winderlich played four quarters last night. Who played four quarters for us last night????? Nobody oh wait we had a few and they played 4 poo quarters.
If we are happy for players who are match fit to play a good 60 minutes 4 years after they broke their leg then noone should be upset that we are 1-8 and that we have been overrun in the last quarter of games in each of the last 3 weeks.

I am sick of our underachievement failure and inflated ego bags that our players are.


You mean like Deledio?

Deledio is my biggest disappointment in 5 years. We've made out he was going to be as good as Browny was before he broke the leg, and he's not half as good as that.

Not even in our best let alone an AFL superstar.


Deledio is not the problem.

He is an elite footballer playing with a team of hacks.

The team isnt good enough talent wise, we are carrying too many.

I disagree. He is a highly talented and skillful player but doesnt work hard enough or play 4 consistent quarters. Would be a superstar if he did.

Its a tradition down at Richmond to take talented players and ruin them. We did it with both Campbell and Bowden. We pumped them up so much they didnt feel they had to work too hard.


 


You cant compare deledio to campbell and bowden, deledio is much much better.

He is a rolls royce footballer who rarely wastes a possession, and doesnt go chasing cheap kicks. Cant believe you compare bowden and campbell to lids, no comparison IMHO
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on June 02, 2009, 10:43:21 AM
Exactly I am sick of us carrying big name players whose reputations are inflated.

Browny played half a game big deal. Ablett played four quarters on Friday night.
So did Aker and Winderlich played four quarters last night. Who played four quarters for us last night????? Nobody oh wait we had a few and they played 4 poo quarters.
If we are happy for players who are match fit to play a good 60 minutes 4 years after they broke their leg then noone should be upset that we are 1-8 and that we have been overrun in the last quarter of games in each of the last 3 weeks.

I am sick of our underachievement failure and inflated ego bags that our players are.


You mean like Deledio?

Deledio is my biggest disappointment in 5 years. We've made out he was going to be as good as Browny was before he broke the leg, and he's not half as good as that.

Not even in our best let alone an AFL superstar.


Deledio is not the problem.

He is an elite footballer playing with a team of hacks.

The team isnt good enough talent wise, we are carrying too many.

I disagree. He is a highly talented and skillful player but doesnt work hard enough or play 4 consistent quarters. Would be a superstar if he did.

Its a tradition down at Richmond to take talented players and ruin them. We did it with both Campbell and Bowden. We pumped them up so much they didnt feel they had to work too hard.


 

you call pumping Bowden up that he does not work hard enough. can remember another supporter oneday being shotdown by Robert Walls on live radio,  he was saying Bowden was weak & dont put his body on the line, Bowden played a great game that day  ;D maybe that was you calling in  ;D you stupid man
l say bowden has done more than most AFL footballers taking on huge opponants playing in the backline often beating them thats why he was picked as All-Australian
beating players like J Brown. why dont you write into the footy show & get Sam to ask Brown how he rates Joel Bowden when his played on him.  ;D
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on June 02, 2009, 11:42:19 AM
dont worry monk

people forget so easy how good players are

joel bowden is a dual AA you dont just buy them

joel has played forward midfield and back and been above ave in all positions, he has won games for us, saved games for us and been a true leader on and off the field

joel is a champion, and it is only the ignorant ones who forget how good he has been , as you say  ask j brown!!!!

btw

now that wallace is dust, watch deledio just bloom into the best , im his biggest critic but i dont blame him, i blame wallet and without wallet deledio will just explode
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Ramps on June 02, 2009, 11:45:08 AM
Bowden is an average player, he could have been much much better. My reason for giving this appraisal is that he spent way to many years in a back pocket getting cheap kicks, when in reality he had the size, the talent and the skills to be a key midfielder. That he never made it into the midfield to become like the midfield general  but instead spent most of his career in defence means that he lost alot of points.
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on June 02, 2009, 12:12:30 PM
Bowden is an average player, he could have been much much better. My reason for giving this appraisal is that he spent way to many years in a back pocket getting cheap kicks, when in reality he had the size, the talent and the skills to be a key midfielder. That he never made it into the midfield to become like the midfield general  but instead spent most of his career in defence means that he lost alot of points.

disagree ramps, he was put into the backline because RFC refused to get KP players down at the club to replace ones that left  & it was always a problem even after gettting Gasper
Bowden was the only player capable of doing the job, he was drafted as a forward & not a midfielder but you got to give him credit he can play most positions
Average players dont win dual all-australians my friend
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 02, 2009, 02:18:39 PM
Actually seen Joel kick 6 playing on a wing at telstra dome against the kangas 10 years ago..
if we didnt have to use him as a stop gap, I wonder how good he would of been
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: mat073 on June 02, 2009, 02:31:30 PM
Actually seen Joel kick 6 playing on a wing at telstra dome against the kangas 10 years ago..
if we didnt have to use him as a stop gap, I wonder how good he would of been

Joels never kicked 6....not in the seniors anyway.

Joels best goal return was 5 vs st kilda 2001
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on June 02, 2009, 02:49:34 PM
l cant remember him kicking 6 but Mat073 seems to know that stats on him  :thumbsup
maybe it was a reserves or pre-season night game
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 02, 2009, 02:54:34 PM
Actually seen Joel kick 6 playing on a wing at telstra dome against the kangas 10 years ago..
if we didnt have to use him as a stop gap, I wonder how good he would of been

Joels never kicked 6....not in the seniors anyway.

Joels best goal return was 5 vs st kilda 2001

check your records
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on June 02, 2009, 02:57:09 PM
ok if l must  ;D
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 02, 2009, 02:58:10 PM
ok if l must  ;D

you must, he kicked 3 in the last quarter of that game
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Infamy on June 02, 2009, 02:59:41 PM
Actually seen Joel kick 6 playing on a wing at telstra dome against the kangas 10 years ago..
if we didnt have to use him as a stop gap, I wonder how good he would of been

Joels never kicked 6....not in the seniors anyway.

Joels best goal return was 5 vs st kilda 2001

check your records
I suggest you check yours, he certainly never has at AFL level, unless it was a preseason match
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on June 02, 2009, 03:00:08 PM
Jack it says most goals against Saints 2001

http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/player.php?idno=10724
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on June 02, 2009, 03:01:47 PM
watch out Bowden basher on the ball here, he take any chance to beat up Bowden
How are you today Imfamy  ;D
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Infamy on June 02, 2009, 03:09:19 PM
watch out Bowden basher on the ball here, he take any chance to beat up Bowden
How are you today Imfamy  ;D
How is that exactly beating up on Bowden?
If anything it's beating up on Jackstars lack of memory
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Tigermonk on June 02, 2009, 03:13:08 PM
watch out Bowden basher on the ball here, he take any chance to beat up Bowden
How are you today Imfamy  ;D
How is that exactly beating up on Bowden?
If anything it's beating up on Jackstars lack of memory

just having your leg Imfamy lighten up lad  ;D you & 1980 must finish school at the same time  ;D
seriously l couldnot remember if he had or not kicked 6

Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: mat073 on June 02, 2009, 03:20:11 PM
I have Jackstar....Time to admit defeat


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/J/Joel_Bowden.html (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/J/Joel_Bowden.html)


Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: TigerTime on June 02, 2009, 03:27:09 PM
5 goals 6 goals who cares does not matter

fact is joel is a champion and has had to sacrifice his natural game to fill in gaps left by wallace and be mr fix it because of wallace

rfc fans that dont admire how good he has been are blinded because of his high possession last few yrs.

thats the modern game, every club has one, luke hodge plays that role and ppl say he is great, same as mcleod

ffs joel is a dual AA he is a gun and its about time ppl stopped kicking the boots into him

ppl wont see it but he has done and achieved more for rfc than matty knights yest matty is seen as a champion ::)

not saying matty isnt but joel is just as good if not better
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 02, 2009, 03:43:15 PM
I have Jackstar....Time to admit defeat


http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/J/Joel_Bowden.html (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/J/Joel_Bowden.html)




you win, too many beers that night in the medallion club :cheers
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: blaisee on June 02, 2009, 04:00:24 PM
Actually seen Joel kick 6 playing on a wing at telstra dome against the kangas 10 years ago..
if we didnt have to use him as a stop gap, I wonder how good he would of been


never kicked six in his life
Title: Re: Biggest disapointment in RFC this past 5 years
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on June 02, 2009, 05:25:02 PM
l cant remember him kicking 6 but Mat073 seems to know that stats on him  :thumbsup
maybe it was a reserves or pre-season night game

Lads game Jack was referring to was rd 6 2001 at the dome v Nth Melb.
We kept the Sh1tboners scoreless in the last quarter and kicked 7 ourselves to improve our record to 5-1. Joel kicked 3 in the last quarter. Some long ones from the 50 at the Northern End of the Dome.

He also kicked 5 I believe against the Saints later that year at the same venue.
Never kicked 6 at AFL level.