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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 24, 2009, 07:50:51 PM
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Gold Coast to attempt to poach Richmond's Nathan Foley
By Jay Clark
May 24, 2009
Gold Coast will try to shatter Richmond's rebuilding plans with an aggressive attempt to poach onball gem Nathan Foley.
Sources have confirmed the new club is interested in Foley and is well-placed to beat the Tigers' next contractual offer by a whopping $200,000 a season.
Foley, who comes out of contract next year, is the linchpin midfielder and future captain the Tigers could least afford to lose, other than draft ace Trent Cotchin.
Richmond has told Foley's management it is keen to get working on a deal to secure his long-term future at Punt Rd.
While the Tigers' vice-captain has shown no interest in leaving, Foley, 23, will most certainly consider their direction before deciding whether to re-commit.
The struggling club is in crisis mode after a renegade pocket of the fractured playing group, led by captain Chris Newman, reportedly asked besieged coach Terry Wallace to stand down last week following a horror 1-7 start to the season.
The club has neither confirmed nor denied the claims but has acknowledged players demanded Wallace change elements of his coaching style in the emergency meeting that saved his job last week.
Players' frustrations revolved around inconsistencies in Wallace's selection policy and his penchant for making unforeseen, last-minute changes to the game plan.
Despite the turmoil, Foley's manager, Peter Lenton, considered his client to be a loyal player and a big part of the future at Tigerland.
"I have spoken with Craig Cameron (football general manager) and he is keen to get something (a new deal) going," Lenton said.
Foley could attract about $400,000 a season at Richmond or upwards of $600,000 at Gold Coast.
Further, the Queensland club could be more advanced toward a flag than the Tigers, who face the prospect of a total list overhaul, with six of its best players all 30-plus.
Gold Coast chiefs believe they will be in a position to win a premiership within their first four years.
Their generous start-up concessions include nine picks in the first round of the 2010 national draft and an extra million dollars in its salary cap to help lure a maximum of one senior player from each club.
Gold Coast's chief targets include Hawthorn pair Luke Hodge and Jarryd Roughead, Bulldogs duo Adam Cooney and Shaun Higgins, and Geelong stars Gary Ablett and Joel Selwood.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25529362-5018851,00.html
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GC17 can have foley
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We can not afford to lose talent out of our midfield particularly as we would only be compensated with a raw late pick in the draft who could never see AFL action at all.
If he is keen to go we better start giving him extra votes so he finished up in the club B&F.
Stripes
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Cant afford to lose him unless we get another inside mid who excels at hard ball gets.
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Trade him at the end of this year, plenty of clubs will want him.
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This is an interesting one because if he was to sign with the GC17 we would get a compensation in the form of a draft pick. I am sure that's how this signing uncontracted players thing is supposed to work
2 questions
1/ Who determines what pick number a club would get?
2/ more importantly what number would he be worth?
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Before Foleys situation is looked at, Id suggest RFC try and get Brett Deledios and Trent Cotchins signatures on respective contracts. Foley is trade bait and his contract needs to be looked at only when Deledios and Cotchins contracts have been concluded. Personally Id put Foley up for Trade, Id offer him to Geelong in the hope that theyve lost hope in Hawkins.
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The other factor to be concerned with is when we can use any compensation. With our current young players Foley is of a similiar age so hypothetically, if they do all develop and begin performing together in the future :pray our 'draft pick' would have to be used in the 2011+ draft putting the player at least 6 years younger than these players. If he came on immediately like Rich or Selwood then this would be fine but it is more likely he would takea few years to develop and by this time we might have an aging list again :-[
So its not as simple as getting rid of one players and instantly replacing them with a star recruit. A lot of risk without any garrantees.
Stripes
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GC17 can have foley
Richmond are in a great position to give away their best players! :gobdrop
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Before Foleys situation is looked at, Id suggest RFC try and get Brett Deledios and Trent Cotchins signatures on respective contracts. Foley is trade bait and his contract needs to be looked at only when Deledios and Cotchins contracts have been concluded. Personally Id put Foley up for Trade, Id offer him to Geelong in the hope that theyve lost hope in Hawkins.
Agree Ramps
Deledio's should be the priority as he is out of contract this year
Cotchin I think maybe to tied up until 2010 - RFC have historical given there number 1 draft picks 3 years as opposed to the 2 year minimum. But will admit to not being 100% sure on that
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Before Foleys situation is looked at, Id suggest RFC try and get Brett Deledios and Trent Cotchins signatures on respective contracts. Foley is trade bait and his contract needs to be looked at only when Deledios and Cotchins contracts have been concluded. Personally Id put Foley up for Trade, Id offer him to Geelong in the hope that theyve lost hope in Hawkins.
oh yeah, marvelous idea, worked well last itme..Ottens for Meyer/Patto...gee whiz what NEXT :help
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The last thing we need is to weaken our midfield depth, Foley is a top quality midfielder and losing him for a punt in a future draft would put us back more than we gain. Foley is the right age to be a key player for the next 6+ years, it would take 6 years for us to get another player (assuming its an early enough pick) up to Foley's level.
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We can not afford to lose talent out of our midfield particularly as we would only be compensated with a raw late pick in the draft who could never see AFL action at all.
If he is keen to go we better start giving him extra votes so he finished up in the club B&F.
Stripes
why do you say that?? I would say he would be worth a top 10 pick for sure.
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The last thing we need is to weaken our midfield depth, Foley is a top quality midfielder and losing him for a punt in a future draft would put us back more than we gain. Foley is the right age to be a key player for the next 6+ years, it would take 6 years for us to get another player (assuming its an early enough pick) up to Foley's level.
We need to change our tact and not worry about what we will lose. In 2001 Hawthorn successfully gained pick 1 in a superdraft for Trent Croad. They picked up Luke Hodge who won a Norm Smith and regained the services of Croad from Freo. We could easily get a pick 7 to pick 15 for Foley. Will benefit the club long term and allow us the opportunities to address any deficiency we could not after this years draft or after season 2010.
I am not saying it should happen but of the 3 Cotchin Lids and Foley I would be least upset if Foley was traded to GC. Hey for good measure on current skill I'd throw in Raines just to help Axel feel at home in QLD and have a chapperone there for the first few months.
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The last thing we need is to weaken our midfield depth, Foley is a top quality midfielder and losing him for a punt in a future draft would put us back more than we gain. Foley is the right age to be a key player for the next 6+ years, it would take 6 years for us to get another player (assuming its an early enough pick) up to Foley's level.
We need to change our tact and not worry about what we will lose. In 2001 Hawthorn successfully gained pick 1 in a superdraft for Trent Croad. They picked up Luke Hodge who won a Norm Smith and regained the services of Croad from Freo. We could easily get a pick 7 to pick 15 for Foley. Will benefit the club long term and allow us the opportunities to address any deficiency we could not after this years draft or after season 2010.
I am not saying it should happen but of the 3 Cotchin Lids and Foley I would be least upset if Foley was traded to GC. Hey for good measure on current skill I'd throw in Raines just to help Axel feel at home in QLD and have a chapperone there for the first few months.
I'd much rather trade Chris Newman, he's older and less critical to team structure
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Perhaps all Foley needs is a new coach and some much needed team unity.KEEP
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Infamy just my opinion
I think Newman will be trade bait this year. Events of last week should see to that.
As for Foley sometimes we need to think outside the square. Reacting normally or conservatively as we have for a long time has got us nowhere. Possibly doing something that initially may seem absurd unusual and maybe even self inflicting in regards to pain in the short term future may not feel right but as time goes by we may benefit from something like that.
Its not like trading Cloke Raines and Wood for peanuts. Careful preparation and selection may benefit us more than having Foley in the side if things do fall that way which still is a long way off and much water has to pass under the bridge.
Nevertheless as a footy club we have to remain open minded and assess carefully our next moves as a footy club. The appointment of our next coach could in fact be the most important decision in RFC entire history in terms of longevity and survival and ultimately the final decision rests with him. Still a long way to go but I would not be against it. Doing nothing gets you nothing, attempting something may allow you to win the jackpot.
Conservatism is good when you have something to hold on to. Right now as a footy club we don't have much and thinking outside the normal realm within a specific but flexible guideline may be the way to lift us out of this mess.
Do something Do just to use an analogy from a rival club.
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I wouldnt trade foley for a pick from GC or any other club, foley should be put up for a player for player swap, as I said, Id offer him to Geelong to see if they are prepared to loosen there grip on Tom Hawkins, if we cant get such trade then Foley stays, on the other hand Id trade Newman for a decent pick. Half Back Flankers are a dime a dozen. Trade him now that his value is highest.
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I can see that Foley has trade value and you have to trade quality to get quality but.......Dont throw the baby out with the bath water
Foley will be a 24 year old -100 game player in 2010....His best years should be the next four.
With our senior players all but gone and big question marks over Tuck & Cogs...I believe we need to keep our young leaders like Axel.
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If GC outbid us, then we'll trade him and get compensated.
I don't want another overpaid player thinking he's ultra important to us and acts like Richmond are privileged to have him (Daffy, Gaspar).
The Saints have lost guys for zilch, the Power have as well. It never hurt them.