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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on June 01, 2009, 02:40:04 PM
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach?
Do you want to Tank or Win?
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids?
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit?
Whats your caretaker 22?
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Caretaker Coach: Doesnt Matter
Tank or No Tank: Tank
Best 22 or other: Other- lets play all the kids and find out if there any good.
Johnson: No- just a goodbye game in R22
Caretaker 22: Just put in kids like Vickery, Post, Rance and take out the oldies except for Cousins and Richo.
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Caretaker Coach: Doesnt Matter - YepTank or No Tank: Tank - Yep, but I like winning so much - Heart will allways rule.Best 22 or other: Other- lets play all the kids and find out if there any good - Yep
Johnson: No- just a goodbye game in R22 - Doesn't deserve one and goes against what is above.Caretaker 22: Just put in kids like Vickery, Post, Rance and take out the oldies except for Cousins and Richo. - Chuck in Gourdis too - Know he is not ready but chuck him to the wolves for an early initiation.
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Do I have to be realistic Pope ?
My heart says lets take inspiration from the Aussie cricket team and win 16 straight.
My head suggests Tank hard and Tank strong.
It pains me that we are in this situation.......I am about as logical as a pregnant woman at the moment.
I know come Friday I will be cheering the boys on- hoping for a win.I cant help myself.
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Caretaker Coach? Wayne Campbell/Kevin Sheedy/Leigh Matthews
Do you want to Tank or Win? think I'd like to win as many games possible to finished 3rd last, West Coast and Melbourne are tanking and i'd be happy to finish 14th with say 5 wins for the year, and have pick 5, and priority at pick 21 and then pick 22.
Would you play the best 22 or Play kids?
Play kids, Give Bowden a retirement game to himself he deserves it, maybe Round 14/15. Simmonds dropped. Cousins to play on next year, Brown make the call and try and retire him just not good enough to be number 1 or 2 forward anymore. Richo send to Germany to
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit?
Retire and have him in a car next home game at the G
Whats your caretaker 22?
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Do I have to be realistic Pope ?
My heart says lets take inspiration from the Aussie cricket team and win 16 straight.
My head suggests Tank hard and Tank strong.
It pains me that we are in this situation.......I am about as logical as a pregnant woman at the moment.
I know come Friday I will be cheering the boys on- hoping for a win.I cant help myself.
I'm not really for the whole tanking thing and lets get Pick 5 instead of Pick 8 by losing some games. History doesn't suggest the lower the draft pick the better the player. The last 2 NAB stars have been Pick 8 and Daniel Rich will most likley be the 3rd straight Pick 8 NAB rising star in a row.
For mine its all about blooding the players that will be playing AFL football in 3-6 years time and trying to win football games. No use putting in Brown, Simmonds, Bowden, Johnson as in 2011 they will NOT be playing. With or without them I can't see us beating a Geelong or St .Kilda in 2010 GF so I'm all for putting as many games into the Gouridis', Vickory's, Collins, Browne, Cotchin etc as we can so when we are ready in 2011 or even 2010 at least the7y have a minium of 40+ games under there belt instead of topping up our lists with untried.
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach?
Do you want to Tank or Win?
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids?
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit?
Whats your caretaker 22?
1. Don't have a preference. The inner sanctum have access to far more info than us on the three or more candidates.
2. Win
3. Kids. Tell the kids to try and win.
4. No.
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach?
Do you want to Tank or Win?
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids?
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit?
Whats your caretaker 22?
1. Don't have a preference. The inner sanctum have access to far more info than us on the three or more candidates.
2. Win
3. Kids. Tell the kids to try and win.
4. No.
Agree with this 100%. Play the players that have 5+ years left in them and try and win games, try new set plays, play players where they want to play and see if it suits them. Try some really out there stratergies, Tarrant as a backman who would havethought? Maybe Thursfield could become a forward? Put him up there for a game can't hurt? Try Raines in the forward line? He can kick straight just can't kick to depth?
Try some things and try and make them work, we'll uneearth 1 or 2 new thinsg that coudl help us next year. Wont find them out trying to gain pick 3 instead of pick 6.
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You know I have allways said go for the win.
I have sort of undestood the Tank option of late.
But thinking about it, you know what? stuff it! what for pick 5 and 18 instead of 9 and 23 who cares just need to get it right.
Win at all costs, while giving some of the kids a run at the same time.
Melbourne have the bonus picks sewn up and other teams have shown time and again you don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to start again.
WIN TIGERS :gotigers
I am miserable when we lose anyway
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what part of football dont you understand Popelord, if you say your involved with footy at TAC level you would know better but l think your just a fencer
you cannot take experienced players out of a league footy side & throw a bunch of kids in to replace them as you need experience to teach them & protect them.
anybody with a footy brain knows that in any team from junior to senior level you need the older players to blood the youngsters into thier roles & carry the main workload
this gives the younger players the knowledge to what it takes to become a stronger & wiser footballer at top level
l think if you coached you would have a team of David Bourkes ;D
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach? Rawlings
Do you want to Tank or Win? Win
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids? Best 22 (that means in form, not potential or has-been)
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit? See above
Whats your caretaker 22? Again, see above
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what part of football dont you understand Popelord, if you say your involved with footy at TAC level you would know better but l think your just a fencer
you cannot take experienced players out of a league footy side & throw a bunch of kids in to replace them as you need experience to teach them & protect them.
anybody with a footy brain knows that in any team from junior to senior level you need the older players to blood the youngsters into thier roles & carry the main workload
this gives the younger players the knowledge to what it takes to become a stronger & wiser footballer at top level
l think if you coached you would have a team of David Bourkes ;D
It's this exact mentality that ruins lists. This sort of mentality has recruited Steven Sziller to improved experience, recruiting Hudson to improve our forward line, recruit Kent Kingsley for some experience in the froward line.
Experience means nothing if they are not up to the standard.
I'd happily put my house on our Vic metro side running rings around a team of All Australians of 30+ players. It's a young mans game now.
Do you think Daniel Jackson has improved on the basis of playing with Troy Simmonds or playing on the best midfielder in the opposition for about 2 years straight?
I coudl go on for pages arguing that blooding some keen players will work then rather play half of the young list with a few oldies running around.
I'm all for players like Cousins who regardless of his age or experience can influence his team mates becuase he still has the ability to play at the elite level consistantly. Richo I'm of the same mind.
Graham wont learn much having Simmonds rucking for half the game. Get Graham in the side to ruck 80% with Patto a back up from the forward line.
Mitch Morton learn a fantastic lesson, backing your instinct at the right time etc. If we had Schultz in the side instead he woudln't have learnt it.
What will Thursfield learn by playing half the year in the VFL instead of Bowden? Nothing.
What will Gourdis learn in the VFL instead of Brown? Nothing.
Players learn more getting there hands on the ball and playing at the elite level against the best and experience the highs and lows of AFL.
They learn poo from having some experienced names on the team sheet for the sake of it who can't keep up with the team and opposition anymore.
Time to to let go Tigermonk.
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"I'd happily put my house on our Vic metro side running rings around a team of All Australians of 30+ players. It's a young mans game now."
To refine this comment I'd happily put my house on our Vic Metro side against a side of retired All Australians. Sounds better as I still believer regardless of age players can still contribute at the highest level regardless of age.
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It's this exact mentality that ruins lists. This sort of mentality has recruited Steven Sziller to improved experience, recruiting Hudson to improve our forward line, recruit Kent Kingsley for some experience in the froward line.
Experience means nothing if they are not up to the standard.
I'd happily put my house on our Vic metro side running rings around a team of All Australians of 30+ players. It's a young mans game now.
Do you think Daniel Jackson has improved on the basis of playing with Troy Simmonds or playing on the best midfielder in the opposition for about 2 years straight?
I coudl go on for pages arguing that blooding some keen players will work then rather play half of the young list with a few oldies running around.
I'm all for players like Cousins who regardless of his age or experience can influence his team mates becuase he still has the ability to play at the elite level consistantly. Richo I'm of the same mind.
Graham wont learn much having Simmonds rucking for half the game. Get Graham in the side to ruck 80% with Patto a back up from the forward line.
Mitch Morton learn a fantastic lesson, backing your instinct at the right time etc. If we had Schultz in the side instead he woudln't have learnt it.
What will Thursfield learn by playing half the year in the VFL instead of Bowden? Nothing.
What will Gourdis learn in the VFL instead of Brown? Nothing.
Players learn more getting there hands on the ball and playing at the elite level against the best and experience the highs and lows of AFL.
They learn poo from having some experienced names on the team sheet for the sake of it who can't keep up with the team and opposition anymore.
Time to to let go Tigermonk.
Great post.
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what part of football dont you understand Popelord, if you say your involved with footy at TAC level you would know better but l think your just a fencer
you cannot take experienced players out of a league footy side & throw a bunch of kids in to replace them as you need experience to teach them & protect them.
anybody with a footy brain knows that in any team from junior to senior level you need the older players to blood the youngsters into thier roles & carry the main workload
this gives the younger players the knowledge to what it takes to become a stronger & wiser footballer at top level
l think if you coached you would have a team of David Bourkes ;D
It's this exact mentality that ruins lists. This sort of mentality has recruited Steven Sziller to improved experience, recruiting Hudson to improve our forward line, recruit Kent Kingsley for some experience in the froward line.
Experience means nothing if they are not up to the standard.
I'd happily put my house on our Vic metro side running rings around a team of All Australians of 30+ players. It's a young mans game now.
Do you think Daniel Jackson has improved on the basis of playing with Troy Simmonds or playing on the best midfielder in the opposition for about 2 years straight?
I coudl go on for pages arguing that blooding some keen players will work then rather play half of the young list with a few oldies running around.
I'm all for players like Cousins who regardless of his age or experience can influence his team mates becuase he still has the ability to play at the elite level consistantly. Richo I'm of the same mind.
Graham wont learn much having Simmonds rucking for half the game. Get Graham in the side to ruck 80% with Patto a back up from the forward line.
Mitch Morton learn a fantastic lesson, backing your instinct at the right time etc. If we had Schultz in the side instead he woudln't have learnt it.
What will Thursfield learn by playing half the year in the VFL instead of Bowden? Nothing.
What will Gourdis learn in the VFL instead of Brown? Nothing.
Players learn more getting there hands on the ball and playing at the elite level against the best and experience the highs and lows of AFL.
They learn poo from having some experienced names on the team sheet for the sake of it who can't keep up with the team and opposition anymore.
Time to to let go Tigermonk.
so your telling me Bowden sprinting down the wing 70 metres in the last quarter getting the ball to Cotchin to Morton for a goal that experience didnot win the game, that he cant keep u with the game. Cousins has so much time & poise he be still playing for another 3 years, Brown still has 2 years left & still getting over his groin which Richmond have always damaged players in the past its natrual to them. Simmonds & Johnson are retired season end anyway. Bowden will playon unless his shafted like several other past tiger players on his way to 300 games & may even go to another club to acheive it.
Gaspers been gone awhile now & Thursfield couldnot hit up a lollie pop lately ;D his gone backwards, Polo gone backwards, Jackson l dont even rate highly, Newman gutless tanking as are several others, White backwards, Moore injured & backwards, Edwards under developed,
where was Newman while Joel was busting his gut, Newman was walking trying to lose the game, he was not even excited while Cousins was nearly raping Wallace cause he knows whats really going down. l can go on but our list is so far behind other clubs its not funny
& saying you bet your house on Vic metro would beat a over 30 All Australian side is so far over the top your house should be donated to the indigenous society
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach? Anyone but Wayne Campell, probably Rawlings as he has a good relationship with the kids at Coburg
Do you want to Tank or Win? I hate to say it but definitely tank. If GC17 & West Sydney weren't compromising the next few drafts then I'd probably say otherwise. It's not the loss of Pick 1 to Pick 5, it's the extra pick at the end of the 1st round that makes the difference,
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids? Drop all of them except Cousins, then resign Richo & Cousins for next year before the new coach is appointed.
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit? No
Whats your caretaker 22? Same as last week except drop Simmo, Bowden, Brown & White (inj) bring in Graham, Rance, Coughlan & maybe McMahon, but only to try and get his trade value up. We may be able to get Port's 2nd rounder off them at the end of the season for him if we're lucky. Even if we have to throw in a pick with him to get it done.
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Thats a nothing argument.
We can't hide away from the fact that our list with or without the 30+ group we have not shown a sniff of coming close to final let along beating a top 4 side let alone beating the best side in the comp to win a premiership.
When Brett Deledio is 25 years old it will be the 2011 season. We'll have a significantly stronger list when Brett has matured and has playing around 150 games. Bowden, Richo and Cousins will all be retired. In this period it is more important to see if Gourdis can play.
If Kane Johnson didn't get injured would Collins have got a shot? Maybe not?
To naivly discount youngsters is just football suicide.
Schultz and Pettifer haven't shown a lot after being nurtured under the wings of Richardson and Brown.
- I'd like a relationship to blossom between Gus and Vickory/Browne or Patto over having Simmonds amazing expereince of nothing helping Gus along.
- I'd rather have Morton Nahas and Riewoldt run away learning teh ropes and there limits, strngths and weaknesses at AFL over seeing Brown play out maybe 1 more season max. Add Gourdis to be tried as well as Vickory.
I could go on.
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach? Don't like any of them.
Do you want to Tank or Win? Tank
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids? Play Kids
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit? Not on anybody's life. Play the kiddies and only veteran to play is Cuz.
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
You've just argued my point. Our younger players ARE too under developed. The only way to further there development is more game time and responsibilty at the elite level along with a development coach.
How is having Brown, Richo, Cousins, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden taking up 6 spots in the best 22 going to help any development of the entire group. That leaves 6 players playing VFL when they could be advancing with there fellow teammates and learning the game.
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
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Board boy ??????? Gawnnnn ????
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
Bit over the top, no need for that big of a risk, our board have been doing a reasonable job financially and our members have increased every year.
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
Well I hope there is someone prepared to part with some hard earned $$$$$ because based on your theory we will need it to pay all the contracts ;)
Am I allowed to do that ;)
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
Well I hope there is someone prepared to part with some hard earned $$$$$ because based on your theory we will need it to pay all the contracts ;)
Am I allowed to do that ;)
most contracts expire at years end ;)
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most contracts expire at years end ;)
Some don't ;) ;)
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
Well I hope there is someone prepared to part with some hard earned $$$$$ because based on your theory we will need it to pay all the contracts ;)
Am I allowed to do that ;)
:rollin
:thumbsup WP :bow
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most contracts expire at years end ;)
Some don't ;) ;)
Footy Operations doesnt
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
Do you really mean all of them, or do you have a few exceptions in there?
My preference certainly would be for the new senior coach to bring his own support team with him for an entire clean slate so if we're doing a full clean out then there should be a FULL cleanout
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
Do you really mean all of them, or do you have a few exceptions in there?
My preference certainly would be for the new senior coach to bring his own support team with him for an entire clean slate so if we're doing a full clean out then there should be a FULL cleanout
Major problem down there is this.
CULTURE.
everyone goes
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this is the next step.
all staff in the footy dept need to be shown the door.
You will need to start fresh.
New culture, new faces , new ideas
from fitness to development.
Even the guys on the door, gawn
Do you really mean all of them, or do you have a few exceptions in there?
My preference certainly would be for the new senior coach to bring his own support team with him for an entire clean slate so if we're doing a full clean out then there should be a FULL cleanout
Major problem down there is this.
CULTURE.
everyone goes
Including Campbell?
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most contracts expire at years end ;)
Some don't ;) ;)
Footy Operations doesnt
And there are more ;) ;)
I like this ;) ;) business it's quite contagious :rollin
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most contracts expire at years end ;)
Some don't ;) ;)
Footy Operations doesnt
And there are more ;) ;)
I like this ;) ;) business it's quite contagious :rollin
;) ;)there are 2 more that I know of.
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All I want to see for the rest of 09 is our team playing as a team like we did in the first two thirds of the 3rd quarter.
If we can play a few game like that this will give a a few more wins and I will be happy.
And thats right I don't care about the draft picks, mainly cause I don't know who the hell the young one's are. :gotigers
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;) ;) there are 2 more that I know of.
;) ;) only 2 ;) ;)
;D
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Cambo and Craig Cameron are contracted beyond this year
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Cambo and Craig Cameron are contracted beyond this year
hmmmmm ;)
I know nuffink ;D
;) ;)
:eyebrow :eyebrow
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and talking about "'nuthink". whoever signed Schulz up for an extra 2 years should just walk out the door right now :banghead
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and talking about "'nuthink". whoever signed Schulz up for an extra 2 years should just walk out the door right now :banghead
Master stroke that was.
Funniest thing most on here was labelling his move in defence as a masterstroke. 2 years late look where the useless prick sits in the scheme of things.
another Ray Hall that imbecile. comedy capers at its best when Schulz and hall were playing. Goodbye Losers
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i actually liked Ray Hall, at least he had a go.
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i actually liked Ray Hall, at least he had a go.
Your right probably doesn't deserve to be used in the same breath as Schulz.
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you have to have some respect for the players that have a go,
Can remember Ray playing in the ruck . never seen a player with so many bruises after a game
Schulz ::)
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Schulz ::)
Actually on Jay - a friend the other week described Schulz this way
"Built like Tarzan, plays like Jane"
Hmmm
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what part of football dont you understand Popelord, if you say your involved with footy at TAC level you would know better but l think your just a fencer
you cannot take experienced players out of a league footy side & throw a bunch of kids in to replace them as you need experience to teach them & protect them.
anybody with a footy brain knows that in any team from junior to senior level you need the older players to blood the youngsters into thier roles & carry the main workload
this gives the younger players the knowledge to what it takes to become a stronger & wiser footballer at top level
l think if you coached you would have a team of David Bourkes ;D
Sorry Monk but that theory is what killed our club for 30 years.
At our club senior players pass on the loser/lets get the coach sacked/selfish stats whore player culture from the 80s through to today. I saw it ruin a young Wayne Campbell, Joel Bowden and now we see it passed down to Deledio
How many senior players did Clarkson ars when he got the job because he wanted to brick the loser culture???
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1) I want the entire board sacked
2) I want both WP and MT to apologise to me personally for arguing vociferously for the current board
3) I want Craig Cameron to stop showing his spandau ballet records to his barber
4) I want Kane Johnson bashed
5) I want Simmonds, Brown and Bowden to retire
6) I want McGuane & Reiwoldt traded to GC
7) I want Deledio & Newman traded for Pavlich
8) I want Wayne Campbell to apologise for being a phoney
9) I want Buckley as coach
10) I want KB as our football director on the board
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2) I want both WP and MT to apologise to me personally for arguing vociferously for the current board
:rollin :rollin
:nope :nope
:eyebrow :eyebrow
9 out of 10 do ya ;D
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1) I want the entire board sacked
2) I want both WP and MT to apologise to me personally for arguing vociferously for the current board
3) I want Craig Cameron to stop showing his spandau ballet records to his barber
4) I want Kane Johnson bashed
5) I want Simmonds, Brown and Bowden to retire
6) I want McGuane & Reiwoldt traded to GC
7) I want Deledio & Newman traded for Pavlich
8) I want Wayne Campbell to apologise for being a phoney
9) I want Buckley as coach
10) I want KB as our football director on the board
I like it comrade Stalin.
Everything apart from Deledio and Cotchin.
* it depends how you rate Deledio (22) vs Pav (26?). How good each is now and will potental be, inc. how many games they got left. Personally I thinking Deledio is more worth keeping, over getting Pav.
* I would only looking at given off Reiwoldt it is was very good offer
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1) I want the entire board sacked
2) I want both WP and MT to apologise to me personally for arguing vociferously for the current board
3) I want Craig Cameron to stop showing his spandau ballet records to his barber
4) I want Kane Johnson bashed
5) I want Simmonds, Brown and Bowden to retire
6) I want McGuane & Reiwoldt traded to GC
7) I want Deledio & Newman traded for Pavlich
8) I want Wayne Campbell to apologise for being a phoney
9) I want Buckley as coach
10) I want KB as our football director on the board
Number 3..............
:clapping :bow
Classic
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
You've just argued my point. Our younger players ARE too under developed. The only way to further there development is more game time and responsibilty at the elite level along with a development coach.
How is having Brown, Richo, Cousins, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden taking up 6 spots in the best 22 going to help any development of the entire group. That leaves 6 players playing VFL when they could be advancing with there fellow teammates and learning the game.
well Bowden will play on his 15 season then you can retire him ;D
The players are under developed & giving them unwarranted games destroys them, get them injured & takes years off thier careers, they lose interest & dont enjoy the game. get feral
Then to develop them you need the staff to do it & Richmond staff suck why you think we are so behind. Leon Cameron was more the development coach when a Richmond player haha
you would be the type of person to drop Bowden for Edwards in the backline
Edwards is smaller then my youngest son & he kicks goals with a wet ball in pouring rain 50 metres on the run several times on the weekend & thats how under developed Edwards is that a 14 year old body is more developed, his a damaged player Edwards. Edwards should have been doing more outside work on his body than chasing girls. Nahas has done more in several games than he did his whole career. Thats because his the product of Gary Ayres who l rate a very good development coach of young players at Port Melbourne & its not the 1st time l mention Gary Ayres over the years here.
So put them under developed players out there on the main arena & watch them get smashed & the body starts to breakdown quickly & then with crap fitness & development staff more problems occur its a vicious circle that started many years ago. enter the medical staff they make the correct decisions NOT, cost Cousins, Richo, Brown, Tuck, Johnson, Deledio, Tambling, Thursfield, Coughlan, Moore, Simmonds, Hughes, what me to carry on l can tell you more about players being mis-managed & that itself cost games & coaching jobs
anyway l'm starting to get bored going over the same stuff
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Why do you not go and apply for a job down at punt road? You seem to have some idea on what it takes to develop players.
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Why do you not go and apply for a job down at punt road? You seem to have some idea on what it takes to develop players.
because l'm already involved in footy ;D
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i want moi to love me and to increase my iq from 13 to 14
maybe both are impossible but i do believe in mracles lol
other than that i want us to start winning and building a winning culture, stuff tanking
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Why do you not go and apply for a job down at punt road? You seem to have some idea on what it takes to develop players.
because l'm already involved in footy ;D
I know that haha but not at punt road ;) :banghead
Anyways out of 2009, I want us to win, but I also think its important that we tank and get early draft picks! :-X So im for us playing the kids, give them some game time and experience while losing games . . . and also I'd like to see us with some decent development coaches at season end :thumbsup And Buckley/Hardwick/Hinkley for coach :gotigers
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Why do you not go and apply for a job down at punt road? You seem to have some idea on what it takes to develop players.
because l'm already involved in footy ;D
I know that haha but not at punt road ;) :banghead
Anyways out of 2009, I want us to win, but I also think its important that we tank and get early draft picks! :-X So im for us playing the kids, give them some game time and experience while losing games . . . and also I'd like to see us with some decent development coaches at season end :thumbsup And Buckley/Hardwick/Hinkley for coach :gotigers
maybe l go back oneday ;D when my lad is drafted :lol
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i want moi to love me and to increase my iq from 13 to 14
You want Moi to increase your IQ?
:cheers
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Why do you not go and apply for a job down at punt road? You seem to have some idea on what it takes to develop players.
because l'm already involved in footy ;D
I know that haha but not at punt road ;) :banghead
Anyways out of 2009, I want us to win, but I also think its important that we tank and get early draft picks! :-X So im for us playing the kids, give them some game time and experience while losing games . . . and also I'd like to see us with some decent development coaches at season end :thumbsup And Buckley/Hardwick/Hinkley for coach :gotigers
maybe l go back oneday ;D when my lad is drafted :lol
haha only another 4 years then?? :banghead
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
You've just argued my point. Our younger players ARE too under developed. The only way to further there development is more game time and responsibilty at the elite level along with a development coach.
How is having Brown, Richo, Cousins, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden taking up 6 spots in the best 22 going to help any development of the entire group. That leaves 6 players playing VFL when they could be advancing with there fellow teammates and learning the game.
well Bowden will play on his 15 season then you can retire him ;D
The players are under developed & giving them unwarranted games destroys them, get them injured & takes years off thier careers, they lose interest & dont enjoy the game. get feral
Then to develop them you need the staff to do it & Richmond staff suck why you think we are so behind. Leon Cameron was more the development coach when a Richmond player haha
you would be the type of person to drop Bowden for Edwards in the backline
Edwards is smaller then my youngest son & he kicks goals with a wet ball in pouring rain 50 metres on the run several times on the weekend & thats how under developed Edwards is that a 14 year old body is more developed, his a damaged player Edwards. Edwards should have been doing more outside work on his body than chasing girls. Nahas has done more in several games than he did his whole career. Thats because his the product of Gary Ayres who l rate a very good development coach of young players at Port Melbourne & its not the 1st time l mention Gary Ayres over the years here.
So put them under developed players out there on the main arena & watch them get smashed & the body starts to breakdown quickly & then with crap fitness & development staff more problems occur its a vicious circle that started many years ago. enter the medical staff they make the correct decisions NOT, cost Cousins, Richo, Brown, Tuck, Johnson, Deledio, Tambling, Thursfield, Coughlan, Moore, Simmonds, Hughes, what me to carry on l can tell you more about players being mis-managed & that itself cost games & coaching jobs
anyway l'm starting to get bored going over the same stuff
Your talking garbage and I don't think even you know what your going on about.
Fine lets play all the old players then when they decide to retire then we'll start debuting players.
Seeing as you can't be bothereed talking about it I'll finish on saying your horribly horribly wrong.
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2) I want both WP and MT to apologise to me personally for arguing vociferously for the current board
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9 out of 10 do ya ;D
You're a good sport and I love having a reason to use these things
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i want moi to love me and to increase my iq from 13 to 14
You want Moi to increase your IQ?
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that to, raise the bar so to speak lol :lol :lol :lol
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
You've just argued my point. Our younger players ARE too under developed. The only way to further there development is more game time and responsibilty at the elite level along with a development coach.
How is having Brown, Richo, Cousins, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden taking up 6 spots in the best 22 going to help any development of the entire group. That leaves 6 players playing VFL when they could be advancing with there fellow teammates and learning the game.
well Bowden will play on his 15 season then you can retire him ;D
The players are under developed & giving them unwarranted games destroys them, get them injured & takes years off thier careers, they lose interest & dont enjoy the game. get feral
Then to develop them you need the staff to do it & Richmond staff suck why you think we are so behind. Leon Cameron was more the development coach when a Richmond player haha
you would be the type of person to drop Bowden for Edwards in the backline
Edwards is smaller then my youngest son & he kicks goals with a wet ball in pouring rain 50 metres on the run several times on the weekend & thats how under developed Edwards is that a 14 year old body is more developed, his a damaged player Edwards. Edwards should have been doing more outside work on his body than chasing girls. Nahas has done more in several games than he did his whole career. Thats because his the product of Gary Ayres who l rate a very good development coach of young players at Port Melbourne & its not the 1st time l mention Gary Ayres over the years here.
So put them under developed players out there on the main arena & watch them get smashed & the body starts to breakdown quickly & then with crap fitness & development staff more problems occur its a vicious circle that started many years ago. enter the medical staff they make the correct decisions NOT, cost Cousins, Richo, Brown, Tuck, Johnson, Deledio, Tambling, Thursfield, Coughlan, Moore, Simmonds, Hughes, what me to carry on l can tell you more about players being mis-managed & that itself cost games & coaching jobs
anyway l'm starting to get bored going over the same stuff
Your talking garbage and I don't think even you know what your going on about.
Fine lets play all the old players then when they decide to retire then we'll start debuting players.
Seeing as you can't be bothereed talking about it I'll finish on saying your horribly horribly wrong.
if thats the best comeback you got for my dont stuffing bother your a wanker
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Do I have to be realistic Pope ?
My heart says lets take inspiration from the Aussie cricket team and win 16 straight.
My head suggests Tank hard and Tank strong.
It pains me that we are in this situation.......I am about as logical as a pregnant woman at the moment.
I know come Friday I will be cheering the boys on- hoping for a win.I cant help myself.
I couldnt agree with you more :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
You've just argued my point. Our younger players ARE too under developed. The only way to further there development is more game time and responsibilty at the elite level along with a development coach.
How is having Brown, Richo, Cousins, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden taking up 6 spots in the best 22 going to help any development of the entire group. That leaves 6 players playing VFL when they could be advancing with there fellow teammates and learning the game.
well Bowden will play on his 15 season then you can retire him ;D
The players are under developed & giving them unwarranted games destroys them, get them injured & takes years off thier careers, they lose interest & dont enjoy the game. get feral
Then to develop them you need the staff to do it & Richmond staff suck why you think we are so behind. Leon Cameron was more the development coach when a Richmond player haha
you would be the type of person to drop Bowden for Edwards in the backline
Edwards is smaller then my youngest son & he kicks goals with a wet ball in pouring rain 50 metres on the run several times on the weekend & thats how under developed Edwards is that a 14 year old body is more developed, his a damaged player Edwards. Edwards should have been doing more outside work on his body than chasing girls. Nahas has done more in several games than he did his whole career. Thats because his the product of Gary Ayres who l rate a very good development coach of young players at Port Melbourne & its not the 1st time l mention Gary Ayres over the years here.
So put them under developed players out there on the main arena & watch them get smashed & the body starts to breakdown quickly & then with crap fitness & development staff more problems occur its a vicious circle that started many years ago. enter the medical staff they make the correct decisions NOT, cost Cousins, Richo, Brown, Tuck, Johnson, Deledio, Tambling, Thursfield, Coughlan, Moore, Simmonds, Hughes, what me to carry on l can tell you more about players being mis-managed & that itself cost games & coaching jobs
anyway l'm starting to get bored going over the same stuff
Your talking garbage and I don't think even you know what your going on about.
Fine lets play all the old players then when they decide to retire then we'll start debuting players.
Seeing as you can't be bothereed talking about it I'll finish on saying your horribly horribly wrong.
if thats the best comeback you got for my dont effing bother your a wanker
The defence rests your honor... :clapping
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
You've just argued my point. Our younger players ARE too under developed. The only way to further there development is more game time and responsibilty at the elite level along with a development coach.
How is having Brown, Richo, Cousins, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden taking up 6 spots in the best 22 going to help any development of the entire group. That leaves 6 players playing VFL when they could be advancing with there fellow teammates and learning the game.
Interestingly, I came accross a development article today from what of pro-sports most successful teams, the NHL's Detroit Red Wings.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2009/news?columnist=lebrun_pierre&id=4222564
Funnily enough, they talk about letting players simmer in the minor leagues for a couple of years. This I agree with whole heartedly - make them earn a spot and keep their competitiveness strong. That concept of competitiveness - maybe not so much in AFL, but definatley throughout the basketball world (my line of sport) it is generally agreed that the best way to keep a young team or player developing is competitiveness for spots/roles/game time etc. as well as constant communication and analysis. I'm in all honesty happy with keeping players like Vickery, Post, Browne etc. in the reserves as long as it keeps them competitive and the coaches around Punt Road invest the time to help their understanding and development. I think its that last area of communication/player analysis that the club has struggles with in the past.
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What I hope happens for the rest of 2009 is that we create an environment which makes Deledio and Cotchin want to be 10 year plus players for the club.They have to see light at the end of the tunnel.
If that means winning 6-8 games so be it.....
Last thing we need is an "Ottens" situation where they both give up on the club.
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What I hope happens for the rest of 2009 is that we create an environment which makes Deledio and Cotchin want to be 10 year plus players for the club.They have to see light at the end of the tunnel.
If that means winning 6-8 games so be it.....
Last thing we need is an "Ottens" situation where they both give up on the club.
And that, if we decide to tank, is going to be a very very fine line. Hope all the tankers are comfortable with the risk.
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Popelord if you seen the press conference today you will see what jackstar & myself have been saying for years now our players are too under developed & are years behind other clubs. Richmond admitted this today thank you ;D
You've just argued my point. Our younger players ARE too under developed. The only way to further there development is more game time and responsibilty at the elite level along with a development coach.
How is having Brown, Richo, Cousins, Simmonds, Johnson and Bowden taking up 6 spots in the best 22 going to help any development of the entire group. That leaves 6 players playing VFL when they could be advancing with there fellow teammates and learning the game.
Interestingly, I came accross a development article today from what of pro-sports most successful teams, the NHL's Detroit Red Wings.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2009/news?columnist=lebrun_pierre&id=4222564
Funnily enough, they talk about letting players simmer in the minor leagues for a couple of years. This I agree with whole heartedly - make them earn a spot and keep their competitiveness strong. That concept of competitiveness - maybe not so much in AFL, but definatley throughout the basketball world (my line of sport) it is generally agreed that the best way to keep a young team or player developing is competitiveness for spots/roles/game time etc. as well as constant communication and analysis. I'm in all honesty happy with keeping players like Vickery, Post, Browne etc. in the reserves as long as it keeps them competitive and the coaches around Punt Road invest the time to help their understanding and development. I think its that last area of communication/player analysis that the club has struggles with in the past.
Really well written article, and I very much agree. I think giving the taste of AFL to the likes of Gourdis, Vickory, Browne, Post even Putt a smell of it is teh best way to ge them to start believing and become competeive against each other.
I'd like to see internal pressure in selection between Pattison, Graham and Browne for 2 spots instead of Simmonds, Graham and Browne.
Same with Vickory, Riewoldt and Morton instead of two of them and Nathan Brown.
I think the young brigade if pushed and given confidence can produce some very special things and I believe we shoudl be giving opportunities in the 2nd half of 09.
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach? the one who agree to play the kids and win no more than 2 games
Do you want to Tank or Win? Tank!
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids? The latter
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit? No not now given the season is gone
Whats your caretaker 22?
B: Polo Moore Thursfield
HB: Newman McGaune Rance
C: Deledio Jackson Tambling
HF: Cotchin Riewoldt Cousins
F: Morton Vickery Nahas
R: Graham Tuck Foley
Int: Browne, Collins, Connors, Post
Emg: Pattison, Edwards, White (inj)
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Who is your preferred Caretaker Coach? the one who wont allow the tail to wag the dog (tiger) ;D I actually have a preference but I will say no comment ;) ;D
Do you want to Tank or Win? Not fussed. Let the result go the way they go
Would you play the best 22 or drop Brown, Simmonds, Bowden and play kids? Play the kids
Would you play Kane Johnson if he was fit? Farewell game only
Whats your caretaker 22?
B: Polo Moore Silvestor
HB: Newman McGaune Rance
C: Deledio Jackson Tambling
HF: Cotchin Riewoldt Cousins
F: Morton Vickery Nahas
R: Graham Tuck Foley
Int: Thomson, Collins, White (when fit), Brown
Emg: Pattison, Edwards, Thursfield