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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 22, 2012, 07:40:45 PM
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Welcome Liam :)
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Pick 33 ~ Liam Mcbean
Richmond
(http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/2012/draft/mcbean-liam-2012.jpg)
Player statistics
Former club:Calder Cannons
DOB:25/08/1994
Height:203cm
Weight:86kg
Player assessment
Lightly framed ruckman/key defender who can win the ball in the air and at ground level. Very agile player who is gifted athletically and makes good decisions with the football. Is an accurate shot for goal when he goes forward. Played mainly as a key defender in 2012 AFL U18s Champs where he’s still developing his game. Dangerous as a tall forward.
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Happy with this later pick :clapping
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Good development type player. Not a bad selection here.
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Very canny selection this, one of the most talented talls going around...needs to put on 2 stone before he starts ripping it up
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Lol at some of the Facebook comments
"mcbeanpole"
"are we going to feed him?"
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
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We tried a ruckman that was built like a pear. We tried a ruckman that was built like Tarzan.
Lets hope this guy is just a good footy player.
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The next Gus
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Lol at some of the Facebook comments
"mcbeanpole"
"are we going to feed him?"
Mcstringbean?
Mcbakedbean?
Mcbean bagged by canny tigers?
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
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So we have invested in a developer with potential.........hope it works out ok after we put the necessary 5 years into him.
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Claw should be very happy with this pick.
As I am.
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Claw should be very happy with this pick.
As I am.
I wanted him too at this pick if we passed on Grundy. Just hope he can put on the Kgs without losing too much agility/mobility.
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Selection 33 – Liam McBean
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 22 Nov, 2012
Richmond has added another ruck prospect to its list, taking Calder Cannon Liam McBean with pick 33 in the National Draft.
McBean, standing 203cm, has also shown an ability to play as a key defender through his time in the TAC Cup, and in the National U18 Championships.
“Liam has played the last two years as a forward/ruckman with the Calder Cannons, combining his time with school football commitments at St Bernard's College,” said Richmond Recruiting Manager Francis Jackson.
“He is a highly rated young developing ruckman who has also been a member of the AFL AIS Academy in 2011 and 2012.”
“Liam's strengths are his abilities to read the flow of the game and get to many contests with his running ability.
“His overhead ruckwork is very good, but his standout feature is his ability to play as an extra midfielder on the ground, making good decisions with the football and damaging with his possessions.
“Liam is an excellent user of the ball by foot and is a big man who we genuinely want to have the ball in his hands due to his creativity and efficiency.
“He will be given very chance to develop into the versatile tall at AFL level we think he can be, and will be pushing for his chance in the next few years.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151555/default.aspx
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VIDEO: Liam McBean highlights ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABIiLDdLC8
or
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151555/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
Draftstar challenge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejJZ-LiMxU
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Beaner looks a gun KPF
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this kid may be a surprise in 2 yrs
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Dimma said he couldn't believe this kid was a ruckman from his highlights :shh
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The best thing about McBean is he can evade his opponent by doing things like turning side on or hiding behind the goal posts.
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Beaner looks a gun KPF
He likes to be called "MR BEAN".
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In one of those clips I seen him get knocked over by a gust of wind
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Beaner looks a gun KPF
He likes to be called "MR BEAN".
WGAF what he likes to be called, beaner
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The best thing about McBean is he can evade his opponent by doing things like turning side on or hiding behind the goal posts.
:lol :lol
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Im with Gerks, Beaner or Beany lol
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Im with Gerks, Beaner or Beany lol
Beaner Weaner for mine.....
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Pics:
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/03/19/1226303/999779-liam-mcbean.jpg) (http://www.contestedfooty.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Liam-McBean.jpg)
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Should've rode his bike before the draft.
Go for a bit of a cycle in the changerooms :shh
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Should've rode his bike before the draft.
Go for a bit of a cycle in the changerooms :shh
:shh
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Should've rode his bike before the draft.
Go for a bit of a cycle in the changerooms :shh
:shh
Heard rookie testing is easy to get past on a bike
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
Dean Putt.
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
Dean Putt.
Needs to put on a touch under 20kgs without losing much speed or agility thats the risk and the doubt but if he can do it he could be a good AFL player.
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geez he is agile for a big bloke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejJZ-LiMxU
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
Dean Putt.
Exactly. He's still developing! ;D
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he has put on 5kg since march.
if he can put on 5-6 kg a year for 3 years that puts him there abouts without stressing the body too much
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
Dean Putt.
Exactly. He's still developing! ;D
Spot on. We all need to remember that big blokes take time ;D
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geez he is agile for a big bloke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejJZ-LiMxU
Yeah I am liking this pick a lot, this bloke could be anything when he gets his physical development side up.
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Hates a contest apparently
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Hates a contest apparently
If he does then its a poo pick. Dean Putt mkII.
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Hates a contest apparently
If he does then its a poo pick. Dean Putt mkII.
Just going off the SMS that was sent to SEN just then
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from who to who ffs lol
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from who to who ffs lol
It was probably the claw
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haha
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:lol
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Lol phone calls to SEN are bad enough but not to have the guts to have your voice on radio making these claims is pretty funny. :lol
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
Dean Putt.
Needs to put on a touch under 20kgs without losing much speed or agility thats the risk and the doubt but if he can do it he could be a good AFL player.
okay ive calmed down a bit since yesterday.
they say hes a ruckman well and good we need a developing ruckman.
at pick 33 we take a bloke who needs to put on a touch under 20kgs, without losing speed and agility, wwe take a bloke who played more as a defender so its fair to ask is he a ruckman. we take on a bloke at 33 who it seems to me doesnt take a lot of marks but hes got good speed and agility. we take a bloke who is very much a long term development propisition at 33.
we take him at 33 despite having a similar more talented player in vickery with todd elton also there.
im sorry people i dont see him as a first ruck i see him playing kp.
now that we have him im going to give him at least 4 yrs to play a game im not against the player himself he may turn out to be a good one im a little narky at where we took him and im questioning what type of player he actually is. is he a ruckman or is he a defender.
in fact i dont have a problem with any of the kids we took its not a crack at the players.
all im doing is questioning the type of player we took and asking did we address any long term needs.
we took a supposed ruckman who may not be a ruckman. if we wanted a ruckman who will take over from ivan in time why not a pure ruckman and probably later in the draft.
we took a tall defender who is supposed to be a mid dont get me wrong i really like mcintosh as a player. astbury,griffiths,rance,chaplin, darrou, grimes, mcguane not enough defenders on the list for them its hardly a pressing need.
we took a small forward who they hope can in time play midfield why not take a genuine mid especially after shoring up the sml/med forwards with mature players.
seems to me we continually take players of one type and then try to turn them into something different if we want a mid why not take a proven mid with such a good pick as 31.
anyway those who have been taken i say welcome you will have my support
to those in charge i say. i question the logic the management and the types we have taken in relation to list management. i am asking have we addressed the ruck situation have we addressed the lack of tall forwards, and have we addressed the huge lack of genuine mids.
cant say we have.
what we do have in abundance now is tall defenders and small/med forwards. but we had them covered before the draft.
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Being a mad tiger fan I'm not as worried that should he develop he may leave.....Certainly worth a try and would have gone much earlier in previous, non midfielder centric drafts.
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
Dean Putt.
Needs to put on a touch under 20kgs without losing much speed or agility thats the risk and the doubt but if he can do it he could be a good AFL player.
okay ive calmed down a bit since yesterday.
they say hes a ruckman well and good we need a developing ruckman.
at pick 33 we take a bloke who needs to put on a touch under 20kgs, without losing speed and agility, wwe take a bloke who played more as a defender so its fair to ask is he a ruckman. we take on a bloke at 33 who it seems to me doesnt take a lot of marks but hes got good speed and agility. we take a bloke who is very much a long term development propisition at 33.
we take him at 33 despite having a similar more talented player in vickery with todd elton also there.
im sorry people i dont see him as a first ruck i see him playing kp.
now that we have him im going to give him at least 4 yrs to play a game im not against the player himself he may turn out to be a good one im a little narky at where we took him and im questioning what type of player he actually is. is he a ruckman or is he a defender.
in fact i dont have a problem with any of the kids we took its not a crack at the players.
all im doing is questioning the type of player we took and asking did we address any long term needs.
we took a supposed ruckman who may not be a ruckman. if we wanted a ruckman who will take over from ivan in time why not a pure ruckman and probably later in the draft.
we took a tall defender who is supposed to be a mid dont get me wrong i really like mcintosh as a player. astbury,griffiths,rance,chaplin, darrou, grimes, mcguane not enough defenders on the list for them its hardly a pressing need.
we took a small forward who they hope can in time play midfield why not take a genuine mid especially after shoring up the sml/med forwards with mature players.
seems to me we continually take players of one type and then try to turn them into something different if we want a mid why not take a proven mid with such a good pick as 31.
anyway those who have been taken i say welcome you will have my support
to those in charge i say. i question the logic the management and the types we have taken in relation to list management. i am asking have we addressed the ruck situation have we addressed the lack of tall forwards, and have we addressed the huge lack of genuine mids.
cant say we have.
what we do have in abundance now is tall defenders and small/med forwards. but we had them covered before the draft.
I don't get your issue, you've prattled on for weeks we need more defenders and ruckmen and complained that when we said we were taking midfielders that we didnt need any? Now we get one that could be taken as either but you say its a poo choice cause we suddenly have enough backs, and that he is not really a ruckman and go on about needing mids. You can't be made happy can you?
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
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Beaner, Vicks, Griff, Toddy - thats 4 x 200cm+ blokes that are quick, agile, good marks and good kicks
Vicks can play FWD/Ruck
Griff can play Back/FWD
Toddy can play FWD/Back/Ruck
Beaner can play Ruck/Back/FWD
Add Jack, what a future spine :clapping
FB: Griff
CHB: Elton
R: Beaner
CHF: Vickery
FF: Jack
:cheers
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The mcbean pole.
welcom aboard son, you have 2 1/2 years to be carving it up before the ferals turn on ya, if your lucky.
Nah, you're wrong Al, it takes 4-5 years to develop a big man. ::)
Dean Putt.
Needs to put on a touch under 20kgs without losing much speed or agility thats the risk and the doubt but if he can do it he could be a good AFL player.
okay ive calmed down a bit since yesterday.
they say hes a ruckman well and good we need a developing ruckman.
at pick 33 we take a bloke who needs to put on a touch under 20kgs, without losing speed and agility, wwe take a bloke who played more as a defender so its fair to ask is he a ruckman. we take on a bloke at 33 who it seems to me doesnt take a lot of marks but hes got good speed and agility. we take a bloke who is very much a long term development propisition at 33.
we take him at 33 despite having a similar more talented player in vickery with todd elton also there.
im sorry people i dont see him as a first ruck i see him playing kp.
now that we have him im going to give him at least 4 yrs to play a game im not against the player himself he may turn out to be a good one im a little narky at where we took him and im questioning what type of player he actually is. is he a ruckman or is he a defender.
in fact i dont have a problem with any of the kids we took its not a crack at the players.
all im doing is questioning the type of player we took and asking did we address any long term needs.
we took a supposed ruckman who may not be a ruckman. if we wanted a ruckman who will take over from ivan in time why not a pure ruckman and probably later in the draft.
we took a tall defender who is supposed to be a mid dont get me wrong i really like mcintosh as a player. astbury,griffiths,rance,chaplin, darrou, grimes, mcguane not enough defenders on the list for them its hardly a pressing need.
we took a small forward who they hope can in time play midfield why not take a genuine mid especially after shoring up the sml/med forwards with mature players.
seems to me we continually take players of one type and then try to turn them into something different if we want a mid why not take a proven mid with such a good pick as 31.
anyway those who have been taken i say welcome you will have my support
to those in charge i say. i question the logic the management and the types we have taken in relation to list management. i am asking have we addressed the ruck situation have we addressed the lack of tall forwards, and have we addressed the huge lack of genuine mids.
cant say we have.
what we do have in abundance now is tall defenders and small/med forwards. but we had them covered before the draft.
I don't get your issue, you've prattled on for weeks we need more defenders and ruckmen and complained that when we said we were taking midfielders that we didnt need any? Now we get one that could be taken as either but you say its a poo choice cause we suddenly have enough backs, and that he is not really a ruckman and go on about needing mids. You can't be made happy can you?
the only comment i can make to that is you obviously read peoples posts but nothing they say actually sinks in.
have constanly said now read closely and take your time.
if as the club says both griffiths and astbury are defenders we need at least
2 kpfs.
before the f/a period i regularly said we need a 195 cm plus 100kg defender we got him about a month ago. kudos to them it only took em 7 yrs to do it.
have constantly said we are at least that is a minimum of 4 genuine mids short on the list.
i have regularly said we are at least two genuine ruckmen short one long term one short term. yes they think mcbean is a long term ruckman im not so sure . i certainly would not have used 33 on him. but kudos to them for taking one.
if i go by what the club has said this off season the three biggest weaknesses in the list were
mids ffs we needed at least 4. have harped on about this.
kpfs going by what they say, griffiths and astbury are defenders then we have just 3 elton, riewoldt,vickery if hes not a ruckman. and if we must include the hack of hacks mcguane that would make 4. have harped on about this.
ruckman see my first paragraph. even if i concede, yes they think they drafted a young ruckman which is fair enough i have issues with it.
we took 1mid, 1 ruckman of sorts a bit too early imo, 1 sml forward 1 tall defender who is supposed to be a mid well we will see in time wont we. what area did we target theres a bit of window dressing in a lot of areas the way i see it.
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Beaner, Vicks, Griff, Toddy - thats 4 x 200cm+ blokes that are quick, agile, good marks and good kicks
Vicks can play FWD/Ruck
Griff can play Back/FWD
Toddy can play FWD/Back/Ruck
Beaner can play Ruck/Back/FWD
Add Jack, what a future spine :clapping
FB: Griff
CHB: Elton
R: Beaner
CHF: Vickery
FF: Jack
:cheers
talk about hedgiing our bets
you have a ff at fb
a ruck / forward at chb
a ruckman whos more likely a kpp at ruck
a ruckman at chf
and jack.
without a doubt our best tall players are jack grimes and ivan seems to me they specialise in one position.we arent trying to turn them into something they are not.
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
He's already sledging Brandon Ellis. :lol
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
He's already sledging Brandon Ellis. :lol
Who did Liam support before being drafted?
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
He's already sledging Brandon Ellis. :lol
Who did Liam support before being drafted?
The best one.
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
He's already sledging Brandon Ellis. :lol
Who did Liam support before being drafted?
The best one.
So he was a Tiges fan? You sure?
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
He's already sledging Brandon Ellis. :lol
Who did Liam support before being drafted?
The best one.
So he was a Tiges fan? You sure?
Yer he was asked on twitter today.
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
He's already sledging Brandon Ellis. :lol
Who did Liam support before being drafted?
The best one.
So he was a Tiges fan? You sure?
Yer he was asked on twitter today.
How about the other guys? I know Vlastuin was a Pies fan..
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You can send a welcome/congrats message to Liam McBean on twitter: https://twitter.com/liammcbean
He's already sledging Brandon Ellis. :lol
Who did Liam support before being drafted?
The best one.
So he was a Tiges fan? You sure?
Yer he was asked on twitter today.
How about the other guys? I know Vlastuin was a Pies fan..
No idea. Vlastuin said he was a Pie and the others you'd presume go for teams in their state as the most likely.
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Actually there's a 7 News video on McIntosh and there's a Carltank sticker on his family's car.
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Actually there's a 7 News video on McIntosh and there's a Carltank sticker on his family's car.
Send him back!!
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Actually there's a 7 News video on McIntosh and there's a Carltank sticker on his family's car.
Send him back!!
On a bright note he has a huge family so we are stealing Carltank fans. ;D
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Actually there's a 7 News video on McIntosh and there's a Carltank sticker on his family's car.
Send him back!!
On a bright note he has a huge family so we are stealing Carltank fans. ;D
HTF do you start barracking for cheatank in WA
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Actually there's a 7 News video on McIntosh and there's a Carltank sticker on his family's car.
Send him back!!
On a bright note he has a huge family so we are stealing Carltank fans. ;D
HTF do you start barracking for cheatank in WA
:lol
Started playing footy 4 years ago. Maybe didn't realise they cheated until it's too late?
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Actually there's a 7 News video on McIntosh and there's a Carltank sticker on his family's car.
Send him back!!
On a bright note he has a huge family so we are stealing Carltank fans. ;D
HTF do you start barracking for cheatank in WA
:lol
Started playing footy 4 years ago. Maybe didn't realise they cheated until it's too late?
Well he's a tiger now
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Phantom draft profiles of McBean:
St Kilda selection #41
LIAM MCBEAN
DOB: 25/08/94
Height: 203cm
Weight: 84kg
Club: Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
Happy to see Liam slip through to us at pick 41, we believe he has all the traits to impact at AFL level in a few years time. Will be great to watch McBean and McEvoy alternating forward and in the ruck in a couple of years time.
Kevin Sheehan says: "Lightly framed ruckman/key defender who can win the ball in the air and at ground level. Very agile player who is gifted athletically and makes good decisions with the football. Is an accurate shot for goal when he goes forward. Played mainly as a key defender in 2012 AFL U18s Champs where he’s still developing his game. Dangerous as a tall forward."
Not many articles floating around on McBean at the moment, but can read some more below.
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2012/09/liam-mcbean-2012-afl-draft-prospect/
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16888.msg340061#msg340061
#28 Hawthorn (Via Port Adelaide) - Liam McBean (VIC – KPP/Ruck)
Height: 202cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 25/08/1994
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Style: Josh Fraser
Player comparison: Lachlan Keeffe
Range: 20-50
Profile: Ruckman who can also play forward and has also spent most of this year playing down back so there is some versatility. McBean is an agile type ruckman who is excellent at ground level for a player of his size and has an excellent skill set and decision making ability for a tall. As a forward typically leads to the right spots and is a strong marking target without being a contested marking threat. Additionally he is an above average set shot goal kicker which is another nice positive. As a defender McBean has shown that he has the ability spoil his man and do a defensive job while using it cleanly from the back half for someone of his height. Physically McBean has a long way to go and I don’t ever expect him to develop into a super powerful ruckman but with time there is the chance that he develops into a useful tall utility who can play forward/back and some minutes as a no.2 ruck.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2012-mock-draft.956129/
# 27 GWS
Liam McBean
Calder Cannons
203cm / 87kg / ‘94
He has so much potential that it is still unclear where his best spot will be. In some ways he reminds of Keefe from Collingwood. Just an incredibly agile big fella who could play forward or back or ruck or .....all of the above. Seems to read the play well for a big guy, he certainly gets around the park very well for a big boy, he has very good skills so if he fills out and settles in to a role he could be a sensational player. Has huge scope. I would think they will be looking for a tall and if they passed on Corr then expect him to be called. Graham or Wright or even Colqhoun big chances for mine.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-dogs-2012-mock-national-draft.980620/
28. Greater Western Sydney
If McBean doesn’t go here I see him falling to the 40s. McBean undoubtedly has talent but he has not really shown much in the way of consistency this year. Still GWS can afford to take a punt and a 202 KPD would be pretty handy for them down the track when they are making a run at the cup. They have little to lose taking a flyer on a high upside guy here.
Liam McBean
DOB: 25/8/94 Ht: 203 Wt: 87
Most people have no real idea where to stick McBean in their mocks and I am a bit the same. He has got the talent to put very high in the draft but he has some big holes in his game as well which might cause him to drop down the order significantly as well. When I first saw him I was very impressed with him and what he could do at his height but the closer I watched the more warts I saw. I am still inclined to be drawn to the size/talent he has but I am wary as well.
For those who haven’t seen him play he is a lot like Alex Keefe from Collingwood. That is a true ruck sized player who moves like a much smaller guy and whose best position is a key position rather than in the ruck. He is very agile and a smooth mover for such a big guy. His pace is solid as is his ability to read the play.
The biggest problem that I have with McBean is his pathological avoidance of contests. He seems afraid of body contact and steers clear of it if at all possible during games. This is not going to cut it at AFL level. He is never going to be a bulky guy but he is going to be carrying a bit of weight by the time he is finished and he needs to be able to throw that around a bit. At the moment he stays outside of contests and hopes the ball comes to him. I have also noticed that when flying for a mark under pressure he often doesn’t commit to getting in line with the ball seemingly worried about the contact. He is also moved around pretty easily and is pretty weak even taking aside his relative skinniness. I can see a lot of gym and contact work in McBean’s future over the next couple of years.
If you can get the physical aspect of his game up to scratch there is a lot to like. He has played a lot up forward but moved down back this year including at the Champs and I thought he showed some potential as a KPD especially if he is allowed to play loose. He reads the ball well in the air and judges his arrival at the ball nicely. His height and decent jump allows him to get up above virtually anyone else and he is a capable mark of the ball. He is has a pretty good spoil when caught behind and again his height and reach make him pretty formidable in this regard.
He is agile enough that he is not turned around that easily and when he is he recovers pretty well and showed enough pace and nous to compensate. AFL forwards will obviously outbody him at the moment but down the track he should be a difficult proposition to handle. With the KPFs getting taller and taller including the likes of Daniher this year and Boyd next year, having a ruck sized KPD has a lot of appeal especially if they can go into the ruck. I am sure many coaches are intrigued by his height.
In the ruck contest thought his strength is really found out and I am not sure he will ever be a full time ruck. You never know though and he is already up to 203cm and still growing. If he stops growing upwards and starts bulking up and growing into his body then there is a chance. Put it this way though he is going to have height on every other KP/Ruck in the competition (barring Keefe maybe) and with some targeted coaching in a full time environment he should at the worst be serviceable as a team’s second ruck and there is potential that he could be significantly better than that.
He is a very relaxed kick for a big man and has a lot of confidence in his kicking ability. That is sometimes misplaced and you will get a few errors each game at present but you can definitely see the potential for improvement there. He is good off either foot and is a penetrating kick when he goes long. He tends to go short to intermediate as his first option and does misjudge the weight of his kicks not infrequently and he is also prone to leaving too much loop in his passes. A lot of his problems I think might be focus related and I think his coaches will be drubbing into him that he needs to concentrate on what he is doing when he is kicking first before he moves onto what to do next. He is an accurate kick for goal but he doesn’t tend to be a big goal kicker. I note his coach thinks he is an elite kick so maybe I am being a bit harsh on him.
Below the knees he is very good for his height and when he gets the ball he is very capable by hand. He can occasionally deliver a hospital handpass but usually he is pretty effective in clearing the ball to a man in space. He does have a bit of an odd jogging style where he splays his feet a bit as he runs like a lifesaver wading through water and I wonder whether this might make him more predisposed to injury.
Overall McBean is an intriguing mix of talent and he is such a long way from a finished product that it harder to see where he will end up than it is for the more finished products who will be available. Whoever takes him is going to need to be patient with him and the supporters should not expect to see him for a couple of seasons at the very least.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/
34. Richmond - Liam McBean (202cm defender - Calder)
I'm still not sure what I stand on Liam McBean. I'm pretty sure I like him. But he is that type of player that I've never liked - ruckman size, but not really a ruckman. And I don't think McBean will ever be a ruckman either, think he might struggle to bulk up enough to really be able to compete in the middle. But that's OK, because he has shown promising signs both in the forward line and more recently in the backline. And I think I would develop him into a CHB. For starters, he is very athletic for someone his size. So he isn't a liability in that regard. He can more than hold his own against the tall forwards both in the air and on the ground. McBean looks to be a really disciplined defender, he spoils well and rarely gives his opponent any space. But he is also more than capable up forward - not a super strong mark, but good enough for someone as tall as him. Also has a nice kick on him, both around the ground and for goal. A lot of people (myself included) seem sceptical about 200cm players who aren't ruckman, but I think McBean could be a very good player. And the way the game is going these days, you need players of that at either end of the ground. AFL Comparison: Lachie Hendersen.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-a-2012-mock-draft.956131/
PICK 39 – COLLINGWOOD: LIAM MCBEAN
Height: 203cm, Weight: 87kg, DOB: 25/8/1994
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Collingwood are apparently interested so I’ll put him here.
Much like Jordan Roughead from the Bulldogs, I don’t think McBean is a ruckman, but he is more a defender to me.
He has massive potential and is very agile for a guy his size.
He also has lovely disposal, and it shows in his efficiency stats.
http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-post-season/kristians-2012-phantom-draft/
28. Greater Western Sydney - Liam McBean (KPF/Ruck)
Height: 202cm
Weight: 84kg
Club: Calder Cannons
Range: 20-40
Description: McBean is one of the toughest to place. Has lots of potential as a highly athletic 200cm+ KPF/2nd ruck. I have heard he will likely go first round as you just don’t get guys with these qualities every day so someone will take the punt. I think you are more picking him for his work as either a KPF or KPD as he showed at the Champs, whilst his rucking is just an added bonus. His aerial ability, foot skills and reading of the play would hold him in good stead if someone wants to develop him as a KPD. However, not sure that 202cm CHB will be that successful. There’s always a first for everything though and Richmond is trying it with Griffiths to reasonable effect.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tigs-first-ever-mock-draft.960168/
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Make him room with the Donut till he puts on 15 or so kilos
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A Calder Cannons rep. was on SEN tonight. On McBean he said his skills by hand and foot are great for a 203cm tall bloke and he has good evasive skills. He reckons at the moment McBean is a HFF in a ruckman's body who needs to get his weight up into the mid-90kgs to play AFL. So he's a project player who'll need 2-3 years but in time the Cannon's guy believes McBean will be a ruckman who will be a 200-game player.
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A Calder Cannons rep. was on SEN tonight. On McBean he said his skills by hand and foot are great for a 203cm tall bloke and he has good evasive skills. He reckons at the moment McBean is a HFF in a ruckman's body who needs to get his weight up into the mid-90kgs to play AFL. So he's a project player who'll need 2-3 years but in time the Cannon's guy believes McBean will be a ruckman who will be a 200-game player.
Eff 2-3 years OE, more like 2-3 games before he will be widely criticsed as a dud pick
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A Calder Cannons rep. was on SEN tonight. On McBean he said his skills by hand and foot are great for a 203cm tall bloke and he has good evasive skills. He reckons at the moment McBean is a HFF in a ruckman's body who needs to get his weight up into the mid-90kgs to play AFL. So he's a project player who'll need 2-3 years but in time the Cannon's guy believes McBean will be a ruckman who will be a 200-game player.
Eff 2-3 years OE, more like 2-3 games before he will be widely criticsed as a dud pick
LOL Chucky. Well the discussion on SEN was sparked by a Tiger caller who rang up and questioned our 2nd round selections. The draft expert SEN had on mentioned that we had failed with Putt and Browne in our efforts to find a ruckman. The Calder replied that Putt and Browne weren't as skillful as McBean. The draft expert reckons McBean will end up playing that role of a forward who can ruck which you need in these days of one specialist ruckman.
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A Calder Cannons rep. was on SEN tonight. On McBean he said his skills by hand and foot are great for a 203cm tall bloke and he has good evasive skills. He reckons at the moment McBean is a HFF in a ruckman's body who needs to get his weight up into the mid-90kgs to play AFL. So he's a project player who'll need 2-3 years but in time the Cannon's guy believes McBean will be a ruckman who will be a 200-game player.
Eff 2-3 years OE, more like 2-3 games before he will be widely criticsed as a dud pick
LOL Chucky. Well the discussion on SEN was sparked by a Tiger caller who rang up and questioned our 2nd round selections. The draft expert SEN had on mentioned that we had failed with Putt and Browne in our efforts to find a ruckman. The Calder replied that Putt and Browne weren't as skillful as McBean. The draft expert reckons McBean will end up playing that role of a forward who can ruck which you need in these days of one specialist ruckman.
if thats the case who replaces ivan in 4 yrs time not mcbean surely.
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Liam McBean as a young tiger supporter at the 'G ....
(http://distilleryimage10.instagram.com/7a7e528836c111e2831222000a9e08e7_7.jpg)
http://instagram.com/p/ScN5i1Jnza/
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It's an impressive photo because he was only born two weeks prior to the photo being taken. Beaner is huge
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Liam McBean as a young tiger supporter at the 'G ....
(http://distilleryimage10.instagram.com/7a7e528836c111e2831222000a9e08e7_7.jpg)
http://instagram.com/p/ScN5i1Jnza/
That's.awesome.
U can telly when Matty white plays, regardless of hi defencent in some areas, he loves the jumper.
Ditto Morris.
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Cool photo, that mascot looks sus though :shh
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Cool photo, that mascot looks sus though :shh
It's the Werribee mascot. :lol
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Is that mascot a stuffing Japanese pokemon or something?
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Is that mascot a stuffing Japanese pokemon or something?
"gotta catch 'em all" is what the mascot is saying.
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It's an impressive photo because he was only born two weeks prior to the photo being taken. Beaner is huge
:lol :lol
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(http://i50.tinypic.com/157k877.jpg)
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Watched various Videos of this kid and he looks like he's got the goods. He controls the middle and disposes well. His leg speed appears to be above average for a ruckman and his set shot also looks good. Only question mark is his weight. If he can bulk up a bit and still maintains his speed and agility, we might have found us a good un'.
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With the ruck rules the way they are now, you have ruckman playing forward a lot more, not to mention key forwards like Tippett and Daniher who are almost 2 metres tall.
If McBean can play as a defender then we have a guy that can play on these super talls, and then have the added advantage of being able to run off them and use the ball well.
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VIDEO: Newy gets to know new recruit Liam McBean up in Cairns and we find out his favourite Tigers growing up ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/506424/default.aspx
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VIDEO: Newy gets to know new recruit Liam McBean up in Cairns and we find out his favourite Tigers growing up ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/506424/default.aspx
stuff me he's skinny
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Newman on Tigers’ new man
richmondfc.com.au
2:11 PM Wed 28 Nov, 2012
Liam McBean is still pinching himself to make sure it’s all real . . .
Here was the life-long Richmond supporter, on day two of the Club’s pre-season camp to Cairns, after being taken by the Tigers with their third selection (No. 33 overall) in last week’s 2012 AFL National Draft, being interviewed for ‘Roar Vision’ by former captain Chris Newman.
“It’s been good so far . . . the boys have really welcomed me. I’m just getting used to the training loads and all that sort of stuff, but have been really happy with it,” was McBean’s reply to Newman’s opening question about how he’d settled in.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151844/default.aspx
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VIDEO: Newy gets to know new recruit Liam McBean up in Cairns and we find out his favourite Tigers growing up ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/506424/default.aspx
Boy, just watched the vid, we ve got a beauty here, mad tiger fan too, pretty good frame to work with just quietly :clapping
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WHOA
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VIDEO: Newy gets to know new recruit Liam McBean up in Cairns and we find out his favourite Tigers growing up ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/506424/default.aspx
pretty good frame to work with just quietly :clapping
This is going way too far....
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VIDEO: Newy gets to know new recruit Liam McBean up in Cairns and we find out his favourite Tigers growing up ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/506424/default.aspx
pretty good frame to work with just quietly :clapping
This is going way too far....
Thought id throw that one in for the seagulls :lol....he ll be right though, richo was a skinny bugga when he started...and whoa he was a man mountain in the end :shh
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That is very true, young fella.
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when i look at mcbean i see more a zac clarke than a ivan maric.
in all seriousness i can see him being nothing more than a kpp which is okay by me but it wont help our ruck stocks, which is why we took him with a second rnd pick.
in fact im almost tempted to pencil him in as kpd now but that would be unfair on both the player and the club.
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na
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when i look at mcbean i see more a zac clarke than a ivan maric.
in all seriousness i can see him being nothing more than a kpp which is okay by me but it wont help our ruck stocks, which is why we took him with a second rnd pick.
in fact im almost tempted to pencil him in as kpd now but that would be unfair on both the player and the club.
Cheers when you finish with the crystal ball, please pass it around :lol
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when i look at mcbean i see more a zac clarke than a ivan maric.
in all seriousness i can see him being nothing more than a kpp which is okay by me but it wont help our ruck stocks, which is why we took him with a second rnd pick.
in fact im almost tempted to pencil him in as kpd now but that would be unfair on both the player and the club.
Cheers when you finish with the crystal ball, please pass it around :lol
i will keep my crystal ball thanks seems to work pretty well most of the time. ;)
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McBean joins Tigers
Patrick Lane
From: Moonee Valley Leader
November 29, 2012
The 203cm St Bernard's College graduate knew he'd land somewhere, but just what colours he'd be sporting by night's end was a mystery to him.
The first round came and went and McBean, his heart racing, was none the wiser.
But when Richmond was called to the microphone McBean didn't need to wait for his name, the numerical identification was all it took to send a loungeroom of family and friends into a spin.
McBean, of Aberfeldie, would be joining great mate and former Calder Cannons player Brandon Ellis at his beloved Tigers.
"I'm absolutely rapt. It still hasn't set in," McBean said hours after the draft.
"When Richmond's pick came (pick 33) along I'd memorised my ID and as soon as the last three numbers were read out everyone just jumped up and down.
"I started crying. I really couldn't believe it."
A member of the yellow-and-black army long before he was touted a future Tiger, McBean is well equipped to spin a yarn on Richmond's hopes, not just as a fan but as a player.
"They're on the up," he said. "I'm stoked to be joining such a good environment and I've been a Richmond fan since the day I was born.
"Next year will be a very exciting year for the club. After some of the results they've posted this year we are certainly on the up.
"I've been very excited about the direction they're taking for a long time and I'm just stoked to be a part of it."
Richmond recruiting manager Francis Jackson toed a similar line, telling the club's media unit McBean had the attributes to take the game by the scruff of the neck.
"He is a highly rated young developing ruckman who has also been a member of the AIS-AFL Academy in 2011 and 2012," he said.
"Liam's strengths are his abilities to read the flow of the game and get to many contests with his running ability."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/localfooty/mcbean-joins-tigers/story-fn53khk2-1226526374084
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VIDEO: Newy gets to know new recruit Liam McBean up in Cairns and we find out his favourite Tigers growing up ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/506424/default.aspx
pretty good frame to work with just quietly :clapping
This is going way too far....
Thought id throw that one in for the seagulls :lol....he ll be right though, richo was a skinny bugga when he started...and whoa he was a man mountain in the end :shh
And don't forget Luke McGuane too. He was a skinny runt and now look at........nah forget it. Bad comparison.
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It brings me to tears when these lads , supporters of the y&b all their lives, live the dream...what a story :clapping
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It brings me to tears when these lads , supporters of the y&b all their lives, live the dream...what a story :clapping
Yes Bo....and even moreso when they convey a real confidence in the direction our team is heading.
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You know what brings a tear to my eye? cutting onions. Or .. when I have been cutting up chilli and I forget and rub my eyes, that will do it too.
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You know what brings a tear to my eye? cutting onions. Or .. when I have been cutting up chilli and I forget and rub my eyes, that will do it too.
Try taking a leak after cutting chilli, that'll get the tear ducts working
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You know what brings a tear to my eye? cutting onions. Or .. when I have been cutting up chilli and I forget and rub my eyes, that will do it too.
Try taking a leak after cutting chilli, that'll get the tear ducts working
:lol....I did exactly the same thing one day....
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Back to the topic please people........
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Well if he does turn out a decent player at lease we will have a 90% chance of keeping him..
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You know what brings a tear to my eye? cutting onions. Or .. when I have been cutting up chilli and I forget and rub my eyes, that will do it too.
Try taking a leak after cutting chilli, that'll get the tear ducts working
lol, been there done that :lol...wasnt funny at the time, just about needed the damn fire hose
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Chilli makes me chuck until I've got nothing left to throw up but stomach lining....capsicum has that effect too.
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How many years before we see any benefit??
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I doubt we'll see any
nothing personal Id love to be proven very wrong, just not my type of player.
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You know what brings a tear to my eye? cutting onions. Or .. when I have been cutting up chilli and I forget and rub my eyes, that will do it too.
Try taking a leak after cutting chilli, that'll get the tear ducts working
lol, been there done that :lol...wasnt funny at the time, just about needed the damn fire hose
To make matters worse I was sprung by my 10 year old son trying to wash the affected parts in a wash basin :o Oh well...... he takes great joy retelling that story at family get togethers ;D BTW it didn't put me off chilli's...I have over 30 plants growing in my backyard....I can't get enough of it.
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I doubt we'll see any
nothing personal Id love to be proven very wrong, just not my type of player.
He may well be the type to take advantage of the evolving ruck and interchange rules though ;)
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The most important talent a player of this height must have is the ability to take a grab. There is no benefit being in the stratosphere if you cannot consistently pluck the ball out of the air.
If he can't do that he won't make it IMHO!
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The most important talent a player of this height must have is the ability to take a grab. There is no benefit being in the stratosphere if you cannot consistently pluck the ball out of the air.
If he can't do that he won't make it IMHO!
Saw some highlights of him taking a few good grabs. I know they are just highlights but they show the ability is there
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Super talented and can take a grab. Was rated ahead of Daniher @ Aberfeldie until about 12-18 months ago.
Problem is that during his late junior career he was effectively left to play where and how he liked. As such, his game has evolved to be very 'outside'. Avoids contact in the ruck and other positions. Also has never been committed to putting on muscle.
That's what Richmond are focusing on in his development.
He may find that football at the elite level is not for him when he has to curb his natural game and play a more physical and accountable style, however if he can adapt to this he has all the talent in the world to make it.
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strong post Dooks.
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Super talented and can take a grab. Was rated ahead of Daniher @ Aberfeldie until about 12-18 months ago.
Problem is that during his late junior career he was effectively left to play where and how he liked. As such, his game has evolved to be very 'outside'. Avoids contact in the ruck and other positions. Also has never been committed to putting on muscle.
That's what Richmond are focusing on in his development.
He may find that football at the elite level is not for him when he has to curb his natural game and play a more physical and accountable style, however if he can adapt to this he has all the talent in the world to make it.
Pretty sure I already replied to this but I will go again anyway. Where did you steal this from, PRE or BF? You wouldn't have a clue about McBean
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strong post Dooks.
:cheers
From the horse whisperer's mouth ;)
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Yesss bigman :clapping
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(http://nastynets.com/secretstash/freshprince.gif#Temptation%20Line%20Dance.gif)
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There's nothing more sad than a person who acts like they have inside info. You're just a normal supporter like the rest of, Adam. Go back to Y&B
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There's nothing more sad than a person who acts like they have inside info. You're just a normal supporter like the rest of, Adam. Go back to Y&B
You know, there's a lot to be said about the pleasure involved in being Envied by someone :lol
Get me off big man yesssss :clapping
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There's nothing more sad than a person who acts like they have inside info. You're just a normal supporter like the rest of, Adam. Go back to Y&B
You know, there's a lot to be said about the pleasure involved in being Envied by someone :lol
Get me off big man yesssss :clapping
God I love you
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iam McBean
DOB: 25/8/94 Ht: 203 Wt: 87
Most people have no real idea where to stick McBean in their mocks and I am a bit the same. He has got the talent to put very high in the draft but he has some big holes in his game as well which might cause him to drop down the order significantly as well. When I first saw him I was very impressed with him and what he could do at his height but the closer I watched the more warts I saw. I am still inclined to be drawn to the size/talent he has but I am wary as well.
For those who haven’t seen him play he is a lot like Alex Keefe from Collingwood. That is a true ruck sized player who moves like a much smaller guy and whose best position is a key position rather than in the ruck. He is very agile and a smooth mover for such a big guy. His pace is solid as is his ability to read the play.
The biggest problem that I have with McBean is his pathological avoidance of contests. He seems afraid of body contact and steers clear of it if at all possible during games. This is not going to cut it at AFL level. He is never going to be a bulky guy but he is going to be carrying a bit of weight by the time he is finished and he needs to be able to throw that around a bit. At the moment he stays outside of contests and hopes the ball comes to him. I have also noticed that when flying for a mark under pressure he often doesn’t commit to getting in line with the ball seemingly worried about the contact. He is also moved around pretty easily and is pretty weak even taking aside his relative skinniness. I can see a lot of gym and contact work in McBean’s future over the next couple of years.
If you can get the physical aspect of his game up to scratch there is a lot to like. He has played a lot up forward but moved down back this year including at the Champs and I thought he showed some potential as a KPD especially if he is allowed to play loose. He reads the ball well in the air and judges his arrival at the ball nicely. His height and decent jump allows him to get up above virtually anyone else and he is a capable mark of the ball. He is has a pretty good spoil when caught behind and again his height and reach make him pretty formidable in this regard.
He is agile enough that he is not turned around that easily and when he is he recovers pretty well and showed enough pace and nous to compensate. AFL forwards will obviously outbody him at the moment but down the track he should be a difficult proposition to handle. With the KPFs getting taller and taller including the likes of Daniher this year and Boyd next year, having a ruck sized KPD has a lot of appeal especially if they can go into the ruck. I am sure many coaches are intrigued by his height.
In the ruck contest thought his strength is really found out and I am not sure he will ever be a full time ruck. You never know though and he is already up to 203cm and still growing. If he stops growing upwards and starts bulking up and growing into his body then there is a chance. Put it this way though he is going to have height on every other KP/Ruck in the competition (barring Keefe maybe) and with some targeted coaching in a full time environment he should at the worst be serviceable as a team’s second ruck and there is potential that he could be significantly better than that.
He is a very relaxed kick for a big man and has a lot of confidence in his kicking ability. That is sometimes misplaced and you will get a few errors each game at present but you can definitely see the potential for improvement there. He is good off either foot and is a penetrating kick when he goes long. He tends to go short to intermediate as his first option and does misjudge the weight of his kicks not infrequently and he is also prone to leaving too much loop in his passes. A lot of his problems I think might be focus related and I think his coaches will be drubbing into him that he needs to concentrate on what he is doing when he is kicking first before he moves onto what to do next. He is an accurate kick for goal but he doesn’t tend to be a big goal kicker. I note his coach thinks he is an elite kick so maybe I am being a bit harsh on him.
Below the knees he is very good for his height and when he gets the ball he is very capable by hand. He can occasionally deliver a hospital handpass but usually he is pretty effective in clearing the ball to a man in space. He does have a bit of an odd jogging style where he splays his feet a bit as he runs like a lifesaver wading through water and I wonder whether this might make him more predisposed to injury.
Overall McBean is an intriguing mix of talent and he is such a long way from a finished product that it harder to see where he will end up than it is for the more finished products who will be available. Whoever takes him is going to need to be patient with him and the supporters should not expect to see him for a couple of seasons at the very least.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/
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Liam's no Daniel Jackson. Let's hope he can play footy.
:lol
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/liam-mcbean-juggled-school-and-footy-during-his-vce-year/story-fn4n10rz-1226538647329
IT'S been a big year of juggling school and footy for Liam McBean.
Hard slog comes to a perfect end
There was VCE at St Bernard's College in Essendon, where he was also the sports captain, there were footy commitments with the Calder Cannons, a scholarship which saw him travelling Europe to play with the Australian Institute of Sport and there was school footy.
"It was pretty full on, but you just adapt," Liam said.
In November, the 18-year-old was selected by Richmond as the No. 33 draft pick. The 203cm ruckman/defender overcame another hurdle yesterday when he got his VCE, with an ATAR of 60.05.
Liam hopes to look into sports journalism or a nutrition course, once he's settled into life at Richmond.
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Liam's no Daniel Jackson. Let's hope he can play footy.
:lol
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/liam-mcbean-juggled-school-and-footy-during-his-vce-year/story-fn4n10rz-1226538647329
IT'S been a big year of juggling school and footy for Liam McBean.
Hard slog comes to a perfect end
There was VCE at St Bernard's College in Essendon, where he was also the sports captain, there were footy commitments with the Calder Cannons, a scholarship which saw him travelling Europe to play with the Australian Institute of Sport and there was school footy.
"It was pretty full on, but you just adapt," Liam said.
In November, the 18-year-old was selected by Richmond as the No. 33 draft pick. The 203cm ruckman/defender overcame another hurdle yesterday when he got his VCE, with an ATAR of 60.05.
Liam hopes to look into sports journalism or a nutrition course, once he's settled into life at Richmond.
Not even slightly funny. WGAF about his school results.
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Good pick up this kid... ;D
Will show Edwards up soon enough... ;)
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Beany happy about get new wheels belonging to our major sponsor....
(http://distilleryimage6.instagram.com/9bcecb78775011e2b7ea22000a1f9366_7.jpg)
http://instagram.com/p/Vvw7JQpn2y/
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Liam's no Daniel Jackson. Let's hope he can play footy.
:lol
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/liam-mcbean-juggled-school-and-footy-during-his-vce-year/story-fn4n10rz-1226538647329
IT'S been a big year of juggling school and footy for Liam McBean.
Hard slog comes to a perfect end
There was VCE at St Bernard's College in Essendon, where he was also the sports captain, there were footy commitments with the Calder Cannons, a scholarship which saw him travelling Europe to play with the Australian Institute of Sport and there was school footy.
"It was pretty full on, but you just adapt," Liam said.
In November, the 18-year-old was selected by Richmond as the No. 33 draft pick. The 203cm ruckman/defender overcame another hurdle yesterday when he got his VCE, with an ATAR of 60.05.
Liam hopes to look into sports journalism or a nutrition course, once he's settled into life at Richmond.
Not even slightly funny. WGAF about his school results.
I thought it was slightly funny :lol
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certainly beefing right up :shh
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what are you alluding to BJ?
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why is he giving us the reverse peace sign?..lol
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Beany happy about get new wheels belonging to our major sponsor....
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$50,000 first car on your p's.. Gotta be happy with that :thumbsup
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why is he giving us the reverse peace sign?..lol
Was it not a hand sign from Nazi Germany
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why is he giving us the reverse peace sign?..lol
You just showed your age..
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yes yes i was at woodstock
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certainly beefing right up :shh
lol whats he at now 85kg.
they all manage good gains in the first yr its after that it becomes hard.
still think he will be a kpp. which is fine by me 200cm kpds are all the go it seems. still think we should have taken a mid like nick graham with this pick.
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certainly beefing right up :shh
lol whats he at now 85kg.
they all manage good gains in the first yr its after that it becomes hard.
still think he will be a kpp. which is fine by me 200cm kpds are all the go it seems. still think we should have taken a mid like nick graham with this pick.
Was Nick Graham the last genuine mid available?
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why is he giving us the reverse peace sign?..lol
Probably confused about what to do (he only got 60 in his VCE :shh)
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$50,000 first car on your p's.. Gotta be happy with that :thumbsup
$50k?
It's a Compass; wouldn't set you back $50k
you can pick one up for $26k for the base and $33k for the top model
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$50,000 first car on your p's.. Gotta be happy with that :thumbsup
$50k?
It's a Compass; wouldn't set you back $50k
you can pick one up for $26k for the base and $33k for the top model
Thought it was a Grand Cherokee as they all look alike to me.
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$50,000 first car on your p's.. Gotta be happy with that :thumbsup
$50k?
It's a Compass; wouldn't set you back $50k
you can pick one up for $26k for the base and $33k for the top model
Yeah, but don't you need both to be able to drive it around? Just a base or just a top would be no good and if you get both then it will cost $59k by your prices.
;D
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Jeep drive-away prices in Melbourne...
Patriot $25,000
Compass $26,500
Cherokee $30,000
Wrangler $36,308
Wrangler Unlimited $40,428
Grand Cherokee $49,180
http://www.jeep.com.au/compass-pricing
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Oh wow. I was anyways under the impression they were a little more than that. Cheaper than my Ford G6 (when it was new) lol.
Might look at one next time.
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certainly beefing right up :shh
lol whats he at now 85kg.
they all manage good gains in the first yr its after that it becomes hard.
still think he will be a kpp. which is fine by me 200cm kpds are all the go it seems. still think we should have taken a mid like nick graham with this pick.
But we need Ruckman so why take a dud when we get a possible good ruckman
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Great news to hear Beanpole kicking a few [four so far]
:cheers :cheers
Interviewed after the game. speaks well. Says it will be hard to break into the senior side.
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Radio compared him to Joe Daniher for upside
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will play seniors this year
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He is heavier than I thought according to our website he is already 86kgs. For someone his height he probably needs 10kgs minimum and probably 15kgs. That should be 2 preseasons away at the most.
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Radio compared him to Joe Daniher for upside
I remember listening to a scout on the radio who said that in his opinion Mc Bean had more upside and the Bombers rated both of them equal but couldn't take both.
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He is heavier than I thought according to our website he is already 86kgs. For someone his height he probably needs 10kgs minimum and probably 15kgs. That should be 2 preseasons away at the most.
The way he moves he doesnt have to be much heavier.
On what I seen today, he is already ahead of Elton and Derrickx
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Radio compared him to Joe Daniher for upside
Wasn't he rated ahead of Joe in the early years? With Joe training at peptide land, he put on a lot of weight quickly last year and by shear bulk has put a gap of one or two years between them in development.
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will play seniors this year
Really?
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will play seniors this year
Really?
:lol
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will play seniors this year
Really?
:lol
Yep, Caddy is set to play his first game for the Roo's any week now :lol :lol
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will play seniors this year
Really?
Yep,
Will get a game ahead of Elton and Derrickx
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will play seniors this year
Really?
:lol
Yep, Caddy is set to play his first game for the Roo's any week now :lol :lol
Get a life, ::)
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will play seniors this year
Really?
Yep,
Will get a game ahead of Elton and Derrickx
Derrickx has had his chance unfortunately needs a miracle from here to become a long term RFC player IMHO.
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Radio compared him to Joe Daniher for upside
I remember listening to a scout on the radio who said that in his opinion Mc Bean had more upside and the Bombers rated both of them equal but couldn't take both.
Hates injections does Mr Bean,Hence they decided on Joe.
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will play seniors this year
Really?
:lol
Yep, Caddy is set to play his first game for the Roo's any week now :lol :lol
Get a life, ::)
Was just stating a FACT :lol :lol :lol
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Wasn't he rated ahead of Joe in the early years? With Joe training at peptide land, he put on a lot of weight quickly last year and by shear bulk has put a gap of one or two years between them in development.
Liam was at Richmond pre-draft year as an AIS placement.
"The AIS youngsters will be hoping to follow in the footsteps of Trent Cotchin and Liam McBean, who trained with Richmond as members of the academy before later being drafted to Tigerland."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-01-18/richmond-welcomes-ais-hopefuls
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Wasn't he rated ahead of Joe in the early years? With Joe training at peptide land, he put on a lot of weight quickly last year and by shear bulk has put a gap of one or two years between them in development.
Liam was at Richmond pre-draft year as an AIS placement.
For 1 week
Daniher was training with Essendon for a whole season
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Wasn't he rated ahead of Joe in the early years? With Joe training at peptide land, he put on a lot of weight quickly last year and by shear bulk has put a gap of one or two years between them in development.
Liam was at Richmond pre-draft year as an AIS placement.
For 1 week
Daniher was training with Essendon for a whole season
Fair nuff gerks.
Didn't know they could have a prospective father/son all year when they don't have to nominate till after the season.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-04-09/coburg-r1-match-highlights :shh
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Mr Bean.
THE
GREAT
WHITE
HOPE
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Liam has shown more ability than Derrickx and Elton combined.
Hopefully this kid gets a game this year
Forget about what he looks like.
Play him when the opportunity is there.
Kid is a gun.
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I watched this kid once on Coburg TV months ago, once at training for 20 mins and I am sold.
Is not your every day package.
McBean now as the third forward would give there opposition coach indefinably more headaches than Lukas 'i have a track record of being mediocre so people talk nice about me' McGaune.
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he is excellent when the ball hits the ground.
Guys like Elton would dream about picking the ball up below there knees
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jack I agree he has talent to burn but at the moment he has the build of a matchstick man.
Joe daniher who is comparable to the Bean has the build of an Adonis yet the dons are holding him back
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daniher is a stick also no adonis ffs
get ur eyes checked
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Dear me username..put them next to each other and compare
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Dear me username..put them next to each other and compare
he is taller yes but he is no adonis ffs
danher is still a stick also
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danher is a testy juggler.
McBean has the LeBron James' about him 8)
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in fact mc bean is taller at 202cm and daniher at 201cm..however joe has filled out much more than the bean
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thats why mcbean looks skinnier
but daniher is still a stick and i reckon there is too much hype about him
imo mcbean shows much more
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yes I fully agree with you 1cm in height would make the world of difference in build
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Liam has shown more ability than Derrickx and Elton combined.
Hopefully this kid gets a game this year
Forget about what he looks like.
Play him when the opportunity is there.
Kid is a gun.
Have no problem if they play him Jack. Personally I wouldn't because we've thrown far too many to the wolves over the years
But heaven help him if he has a shocker. Patience isn't one of the great virtues of folks on this forum. You along with alot of others have bagged kids after one game and called them duds or not up to it. Can you guarantee you won't do it this time?
Elton is perfect example, plays one game, clearly over awed and people wrote him off after one game. Continue to say he won't make it
Don't want to see it happen to this time because this kid with time will be good.
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For anyone to dismiss Elton based on one game, he first game... is not very bright.
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Either you can play the game or you cant
Other clubs have young players come in and play good footy.
What I have seen of Elton , he cant , was outmarked yesterday by a guy 6 inches smaller then him
Wont make it.
McBean has already passed Elton.
I would play McBean, no issue there. he ran past Senior Essendon players yesterday and took them on
Other clubs play kids
Maybe just maybe we have had the wrong kids, thus we cannot improve our ladder position over the past decade.
;)
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jack are you also prepared to draw a line through griff too?
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jack are you also prepared to draw a line through griff too?
Yes, has been in system for what 5-6 years??
let some other club waste time on him.
Go and watch McBean do things that Griff, Elton and Derrickx only would dream about.
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yes I have seen the bean in action ,and yes I agree he displays attributes which are rare
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Liam has shown more ability than Derrickx and Elton combined.
Hopefully this kid gets a game this year
Forget about what he looks like.
Play him when the opportunity is there.
Kid is a gun.
Have no problem if they play him Jack. Personally I wouldn't because we've thrown far too many to the wolves over the years
But heaven help him if he has a shocker. Patience isn't one of the great virtues of folks on this forum. You along with alot of others have bagged kids after one game and called them duds or not up to it. Can you guarantee you won't do it this time?
Elton is perfect example, plays one game, clearly over awed and people wrote him off after one game. Continue to say he won't make it
Don't want to see it happen to this time because this kid with time will be good.
Can you guarantee this WP?
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jack are you also prepared to draw a line through griff too?
Yes, has been in system for what 5-6 years??[/b]
let some other club waste time on him.
Go and watch McBean do things that Griff, Elton and Derrickx only would dream about.
2009 National Draft
if he goes to sydney he would kick 100 goals...
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How on earth would Griffiths kick 100 goals at Sydney :lol :lol :lol
When in his 4th year on an AFL list he averages 3.5 kicks a game
Please spare me !!!
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I was initially a huge fan of griff and still prepared to give him time,however I have to admit his lack of ability to win the football is worrying
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On the other hand McBean appears very agile and creative particularly for a player of his height. I was very impressed watching him play. Griffith is a great footballer when he is on the lead or kicking. I don't think he has the same capabilities below his knees or crumbing ability as McBean though. Griff will need to learn how to mark on the run and position himself as to make it difficult for the defender to spoil after focusing on defense himself for so long. Different mind set completely as he switches from being reactive to being proactive. I won't write the big fellow off yet but with McBean he shows plenty of promise. :thumbsup
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I watched this kid once on Coburg TV months ago, once at training for 20 mins and I am sold.
Is not your every day package.
McBean now as the third forward would give there opposition coach indefinably more headaches than Lukas 'i have a track record of being mediocre so people talk nice about me' McGaune.
What more do you want from McGaune? Don't give me "his a spud" "he won't take us to flag" none of those pathetic responses. Tell me what you expect of him week it week out?
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Liam has shown more ability than Derrickx and Elton combined.
Hopefully this kid gets a game this year
Forget about what he looks like.
Play him when the opportunity is there.
Kid is a gun.
Have no problem if they play him Jack. Personally I wouldn't because we've thrown far too many to the wolves over the years
But heaven help him if he has a shocker. Patience isn't one of the great virtues of folks on this forum. You along with alot of others have bagged kids after one game and called them duds or not up to it. Can you guarantee you won't do it this time?
Elton is perfect example, plays one game, clearly over awed and people wrote him off after one game. Continue to say he won't make it
Don't want to see it happen to this time because this kid with time will be good.
Can you guarantee this WP?
No cant guarantee it with any kid drafted if we are honest about. But he looks incredibly skilful for a kid 200 cm plus
But facts are we have played so many kids when they weren't ready and then we as supporters jump on them and say they can't play.
Look at jack's post regarding Elton. It is his 2nd season for crying out loud but some are already writing him off. Apart from beng unfair it is just plain ridiculous .
Griffiths is in his 4th count it 4th season with his 2nd season ruined by imjury and people are writing him off too.
Just think we need to stop throwing the kids to the wolves and by wolves I don't necessarily mean out on the field
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Let the kid develop, no need to rush him into a side that is under performing.
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Let the kid develop, no need to rush him into a side that is under performing.
Totally agreed. This kid will be a very good player if allowed to develop properly.
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:lol
The great Jackstar thinking that all kids should come along at the same rate and writing off those that don't meet his lofty standards immediately.
On the other hand, Choco williams belives that you need to be patient with kids...
The first point that Mark Williams had was be patient with your players. He mentioned that when he was assistant (reserves) coach at Essendon, there were times when Scott Lucas and Matthew Lloyd almost got dropped from
the seconds. He then pointed out how in his first 2 years at Port, Chad Cornes didn’t play a senior game and it took Toby Thurstans 5 years to break into the seniors (and though he’s not regarded as a champion, he played over 100
games and kicked 3 goals in their premiership victory). His point is to encourage each player and make them feel confident even when their performances are low.
So we have two opposing views from two well respected and successful people from within the football world. which one should we take heed of?
Gee I hope we didnt make the wrong bloke our development coach ::)
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Here's McBean's stats for the year so far (they haven't updated the game on the weekend yet):
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192280661&client=1-118-10471-253880-18717695
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:lol
The great Jackstar thinking that all kids should come along at the same rate and writing off those that don't meet his lofty standards immediately.
Something about the name Jack when it comes to anything Richmond.Show Pony,Look at me etc etc etc. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
The great Jackstar thinking that all kids should come along at the same rate and writing off those that don't meet his lofty standards immediately.
On the other hand, Choco williams belives that you need to be patient with kids...
The first point that Mark Williams had was be patient with your players. He mentioned that when he was assistant (reserves) coach at Essendon, there were times when Scott Lucas and Matthew Lloyd almost got dropped from
the seconds. He then pointed out how in his first 2 years at Port, Chad Cornes didn’t play a senior game and it took Toby Thurstans 5 years to break into the seniors (and though he’s not regarded as a champion, he played over 100
games and kicked 3 goals in their premiership victory). His point is to encourage each player and make them feel confident even when their performances are low.
So we have two opposing views from two well respected and successful people from within the football world. which one should we take heed of?
Gee I hope we didnt make the wrong bloke our development coach ::)
in b4 comment about sniping. :lol
But well said all the same. :clapping
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Needs to play in the senior team :shh
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Bring in the Big Frijole :clapping
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Needs to play in the senior team :shh
Needs to eat some carbs and put on 10kg+ and then will dominate!!!!!
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Would be a better option than McGuane....
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Would be a better option than McGuane....
Or Vickery or even Riewoldt.
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Will get smashed with our forward delivery.
It is deplorable especially highlighted as bummers stopped the influence of our better kickers
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Will get smashed with our forward delivery.
It is deplorable especially highlighted as bummers stopped the influence of our better kickers
See the Coburg kicking inside 50?
The ball doesnt go down there much for starters.
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We need to start playing these kids.
I don't care if people say we are still in the race for the finals.
What difference does it make if we cannot beat any side that is decent!
We need to play the following: Arnott, McBean, McDonough, Griffiths and Elton.
Out can go Nahas, McGuane, Jackson and White.
The kids are our future. I'd rather get senior games under them and lose rather than playing the old guys who will never make it and never help us win a flag.
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We need to start playing these kids.
I don't care if people say we are still in the race for the finals.
What difference does it make if we cannot beat any side that is decent!
We need to play the following: Arnott, McBean, McDonough, Griffiths and Elton.
Out can go Nahas, McGuane, Jackson and White.
The kids are our future. I'd rather get senior games under them and lose rather than playing the old guys who will never make it and never help us win a flag.
White recently has shown "something" at least.
Agree with the rest!
Play McBean!
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He was getting a wrap this am on SEN, very good at ground level and clever player, is this all true?
Is he far away from a game at senior level? These tall blokes usually take a long time to come to their best
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He was getting a wrap this am on SEN, very good at ground level and clever player, is this all true?
Is he far away from a game at senior level? These tall blokes usually take a long time to come to their best
All true but probably not close to a game until he has arms bigger than a 12yo girl. :whistle
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I'm excited about the prospect of this kid lining up in the forwardline. Will hopefully take Vickery's roll eventually when he takes over the number one ruck role. If by some chance Maric remains on top of his game for another 3+ years, a forwardline of Jack, Vickery and McBean looks great to me, particularly with McBeans ground level skills
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I hope he turns out better than Jobe Daniher just to pee off Essendank fans
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Can't wait for the Jack & the Bean stalk forward line. Boy oh boy wowee what a thought. :shh :cheers
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He was getting a wrap this am on SEN, very good at ground level and clever player, is this all true?
Is he far away from a game at senior level? These tall blokes usually take a long time to come to their best
Bean the machine
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Can't wait for the Jack & the Bean stalk forward line.
:clapping
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Can't wait for the Jack & the Bean stalk forward line.
:clapping
x2 :clapping
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This from "The Age" this morning......
Daniher is no ordinary Joe as a ruck/forward. The 201-centimetre teenager is said to have the leg speed to play as a genuine key forward; but the kid's output won't be measured merely on marks and goals, but on whether they can harrass and pressure the Blues defenders. Then the Dons may have to recast their forward set-up, or pull the trigger on a substitution early.
The competition leader, Hawthorn, has played most games with David Hale, Max Bailey, Jarryd Roughead and Lance Franklin sharing a forward line and/or the ruck.
Last year, Bailey wasn't part of September, and Roughead rucked in support of Hale; this year, Roughead has played as both forward and occasional ruck-rover.
The Hawks can get away with an extra tall because Roughead and especially Franklin are so adept at ground level.
It's not the amount of the size that counts. It's the speed.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tall-forwards-are-finding-speed-a-killer-20130606-2nsyg.html#ixzz2VUB2Oagd
Surely there is some merit in applying this logic to McBean?
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Liam McBean interview
Richmond Tiger Talk
June 11th, 2013
In an exciting bye week special Nick and Andy interview Richmond Footballer Liam Mcbean and ask his thoughts about football and being a cult hero before he has played a senior game. As anyone who has seen him play would know, Liam is all class.
Listen to audio of interview here: http://richo.podbean.com/2013/06/11/round-12-2013-liam-mcbean/
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VIDEO: Choco cub watch: Liam McBean
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-13/choco-cub-watch-liam-mcbean
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Must be very close if Choco believes he will play up to 4 games this year.
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Last game of the year and 3 finals :shh :shh
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Gee thats exciting, cant believe we managed to snaffle this kid, nice work FJ.....again :shh
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Gee thats exciting, cant believe we managed to snaffle this kid, nice work FJ.....again :shh
Runs like a leopard, jumps like a gazelle. Whoa! What a get this kid is Bojangleberry :shh
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Gee thats exciting, cant believe we managed to snaffle this kid, nice work FJ.....again :shh
Where do you think he would slot in? Possibly A. Edwards spot?
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Gee thats exciting, cant believe we managed to snaffle this kid, nice work FJ.....again :shh
Where do you think he would slot in? Possibly A. Edwards spot?
3rd tall. Wouldn't be a huge stretch to put Vickery on notice the way he's tracking. Whoa :shh
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Gee thats exciting, cant believe we managed to snaffle this kid, nice work FJ.....again :shh
Where do you think he would slot in? Possibly A. Edwards spot?
3rd tall. Wouldn't be a huge stretch to put Vickery on notice the way he's tracking. Whoa :shh
Will have to play down back first, in for Rancer :shh
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Last game of the year and 3 finals :shh :shh
:lol how good :shh
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Last game of the year and 3 finals :shh :shh
I like your thinking TFT! :gotigers
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“I can tell you, his [McBean's] name came up for selection – that’s how close he’s getting towards pushing for a spot in the side,” Williams said in the latest instalment of “Choco Cub Watch”.
“At the start of the year, we thought he had no chance (of making his senior debut in 2013), but he’s moved along quite nicely, and he’s putting his name up for selection now.
“He’s a possibility . . . I would think that he’d play two, three or four games before the end of the year, and that’s be great for our club.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-14/big-mac-has-the-lot
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Gee thats exciting, cant believe we managed to snaffle this kid, nice work FJ.....again :shh
Where do you think he would slot in? Possibly A. Edwards spot?
Yep and there's more competition for that spot than a big brother audition , Elton, astbury, griff, bo hanlon , Madonna and now mcbean, all staking genuine claims :shh
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:lol
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lmao bj
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gotta admit, this kid runs like a steel trap and he hangs onto those marks like a gazelle, with steel traps for hooves and human arms for forelegs except they are still as skinny as a gazelles forelegs I spose, skinnier even
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gotta admit, this kid runs like a steel trap and he hangs onto those marks like a gazelle, with steel traps for hooves and human arms for forelegs except they are still as skinny as a gazelles forelegs I spose, skinnier even
:lol
They reckon he's put on a few kegs, but I dunno. A couple times I swear he disappeared when he turned sideways to the camera.
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While I don't dispute that McBean needs to put on a few kilos, I just want to utter the words.......................Dustin Fletcher says hello.
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While I don't dispute that McBean needs to put on a few kilos, I just want to utter the words.......................Dustin Fletcher says hello.
I agree Smokey. I've seen him live twice now and his pace and agility are assets that should not and need not be sacrificed for bulk. He is a Westoff type player with more upside IMO. Let Vickery bulk up and keep Mc Bean....lean........
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While I don't dispute that McBean needs to put on a few kilos, I just want to utter the words.......................Dustin Fletcher says hello.
I agree Smokey. I've seen him live twice now and his pace and agility are assets that should not and need not be sacrificed for bulk. He is a Westoff type player with more upside IMO. Let Vickery bulk up and keep Mc Bean....lean........
If he runs like a gazelle maybe we could stick the 224cm beanpole onto a wing.
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While I don't dispute that McBean needs to put on a few kilos, I just want to utter the words.......................Dustin Fletcher says hello.
I agree Smokey. I've seen him live twice now and his pace and agility are assets that should not and need not be sacrificed for bulk. He is a Westoff type player with more upside IMO. Let Vickery bulk up and keep Mc Bean....lean........
If he runs like a gazelle maybe we could stick the 224cm beanpole onto a wing.
If he runs like a gazelle maybe we could get David Attenborough to commentate.
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Atkin
Mr Bean
Beam Pole
LBW
The Skinny One
Justin
Hope these cub gets an opportunity soon. He can play!
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He will be a ripper no doubt about it all jokes aside
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They reckon he's put on a few kegs, but I dunno. A couple times I swear he disappeared when he turned sideways to the camera.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Im surprised they are saying he's near ready. He's not big enough to do the rough physical work of a Cloke or Brown. Doesn't mean he wont make it but we need Vickery above him to do some physical muscle work, maybe in a few years and 20 Kg but I doubt he'll ever add that much. I hope he does though. Maybe he will replace McGuane.
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Regardless of his height mcbean plays as a pocket or forward flank.
His weapons are skill smarts agility
Doesn't need weight
Would play him 3rd forward ahead of Edwards/mcgaune.
Would be ideal foil to jack / tyrone
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Regardless of his height mcbean plays as a pocket or forward flank.
His weapons are skill smarts agility
Doesn't need weight
Would play him 3rd forward ahead of Edwards/mcgaune.
Would be ideal foil to jack / tyrone
Yes, yes and yes. After today I'd drop Edwards for him...Aaron is just not up to it.
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might almost be Bean time...lets see how he goes sunday in the VFL
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Would play him ahead of Tyrone if he was built enough to chop out Maric in the ruck.
Til then, as defensively well as Edwards played today, I'd drop him for the great bean flicker
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Regardless of his height mcbean plays as a pocket or forward flank.
His weapons are skill smarts agility
Doesn't need weight
Would play him 3rd forward ahead of Edwards/mcgaune.
Would be ideal foil to jack / tyrone
agree he doesn't necessarily need lots of weight, but needs muscle tone.
Think of blokes like fletcher and silvagni. not big heavy blokes, but wirey and don't break easily. even justin madden was pretty durable without being a hulk.
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Joe Daniher is going alright and he too is a string bean with agility and good hands.
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Its up to him and Griff now to put their hands up for that 3rd tall spot.
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Regardless of his height mcbean plays as a pocket or forward flank.
His weapons are skill smarts agility
Doesn't need weight
Would play him 3rd forward ahead of Edwards/mcgaune.
Would be ideal foil to jack / tyrone
agree he doesn't necessarily need lots of weight, but needs muscle tone.
Think of blokes like fletcher and silvagni. not big heavy blokes, but wirey and don't break easily. even justin madden was pretty durable without being a hulk.
Al have you been to a Coburg game? The bean is not fragile in the slightest. He throws himself full bore into packs and out again against some big VFL units.
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I'm not saying he is fragile, but seeing his pics and video he is not toned or hardened, as you would expect from someone of his build and age.
You can see an improvement since he was drarfed though.
Throwing yourself into packs is a refelection on what sits on his shoulders, not how broad they are.
David bourke also threw himself in packs and showed enormous courage, but he broke too easily.
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Does anyone know what the situation is with Bean?
- is he being rested?
- does he have injury?
- did he play for the Coburg development side?
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2013 Peter Jackson VFL
Coburg Tigers 4.2 9.6 12.11 14.12 (95)
Geelong Cats 5.3 8.7 11.14 16.19 (115)
GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: McBean 2
BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Petterd Nahas Tuck McBean O'Hanlon
:clapping
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Can't drop any of our tall forwards on current form but Beaner's doing everything right to slip in hopefully when someone has a stinker
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The rise and rise of Liam McBean
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Thursday, July 25, 2013
Talented teenage Tiger ‘tall’, Liam McBean, has revealed why he’s so adept at ground level for a player who stands 202cm.
When he was about 16, McBean went from being a midfielder, to a ruckman, courtesy of a huge growth spurt.
“I was a midfielder growing up. I played under dad and he let me run through the midfield. That’s where I tried to work on my skills, left and right side,” McBean said on this week’s episode of “Talking Tigers”.
Sign up as a member for 2014 and get the remainder of 2013 for free.
“It sort of all hit me at once. I grew 10cm in a year, and they basically put me as a ruckman. They said, ‘Sorry, mate, you’re not a midfielder anymore’.
“I still try and play like a midfielder, but now I’ve got to adjust to being a bigger bloke and playing as a bigger bloke.
“I’ll keep working on that, but, hopefully, I can come to a happy medium between the two and, hopefully, I can cause some problems (for opposing teams).”
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-25/the-rise-and-rise-of-liam-mcbean
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Can not wait until the bean stalk gets a game in. If he could be a mobile big man like Nic Nat (but hopefully more consistent) that would be sweet.
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Beanie, mentioned he was a Tiger supporter growing up, must be an omen!!!
Can't wait until he puts on another 8kgs, already put on 7kgs since the start if the year o be at 93kgs.
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played midfield as a junior and we want to turn him into a KPF/ruckman?
why cant we just accept that where a kid plays is their position for life?
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played midfield as a junior and we want to turn him into a KPF/ruckman?
why cant we just accept that where a kid plays is their position for life?
:clapping
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get this beaner in the side, fwd pocket
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At the end of their careers
Mcbean>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Daniher.
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played midfield as a junior and we want to turn him into a KPF/ruckman?
why cant we just accept that where a kid plays is their position for life?
So moving Richo to the wing was a horrible move?
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forgot about that.
another case of the club trying to be too cutesy and turning players into something they aren't.
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played midfield as a junior and we want to turn him into a KPF/ruckman?
why cant we just accept that where a kid plays is their position for life?
Pretty sure the same thing happened with B.Gale, had a massive growth spurt in his teens and went from being a mid to a KPF and then ruckman.
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Boomer McBean was late to a few team meetings. Choco told him he needs to be fully professional to get a game. It's for his own good :clapping
Just ask Bents he knows the drill
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its true i was pm'ed it but i was allowed pm back :-X
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A big chance to play before the finals and a big chance to play finals footy for us. Will be given every chance. People see him as a potential X factor in September.
When Sheedy was at Essendon he used to pull similar ploys by playing players in debut finals games or really important games.
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A big chance to play before the finals and a big chance to play finals footy for us. Will be given every chance. People see him as a potential X factor in September.
When Sheedy was at Essendon he used to pull similar ploys by playing players in debut finals games or really important games.
6 goals :gotigers
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I reckon he will come in Round 22 against GWS to get a taste of senior footy.
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i got nothing against mcgaune but hes a plodder
this kid farts magic
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Someone needs to organise a " Cousins for Christmas " style of protest , right out the front of Punt rd oval...I want him in the team NOW NOW NOW.
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Someone needs to organise a " Cousins for Christmas " style of protest , right out the front of Punt rd oval...I want him in the team NOW NOW NOW.
Cousins has just had the snot beaten out of him by a bikie.
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Someone needs to organise a " Cousins for Christmas " style of protest , right out the front of Punt rd oval...I want him in the team NOW NOW NOW.
Cousins has just had the snot beaten out of him by a bikie.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/fallen-afl-star-ben-cousins-bashed-in-park/story-fnhnv0wb-1226691247435
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McBean has 31 goals from 12 VFL games.
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Beanie weanie :bow :clapping
Would love to see the fajole this year, but you don't flirt with form and we're pushing for a finals run. Sounds like he's piled some kegs on anyway, so probably best not to break him and let him get used to his body. Unleash the Bean on the comp next year :shh
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Can't be smaller than Ceglar from Hawthorn?!
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Can't be smaller than Ceglar from Hawthorn?!
If the rumours are true Nahas is smaller than Ceglar. :shh :cheers
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Boy oh boy wowee
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The thing that impresses me most about McBean is that he is a natural forward. He doesn't get his goals all the same way. In this manner he reminds me a lot of Jack. Even watching the 6 he kicked on Sunday, he was crumbing and creative one minute and quick and strong the next. His kicking from the 50 was effortless and he is extremely athletic. I'm looking forward to seeing him strengthen up so he can get in a wrestle with big defenders and hold his own but I feel this is still years away.
I agree that there is no hurry to rush him in this year but it is exciting to see someone of his ability just waiting in the wings :thumbsup
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Could be the best forward pocket of all time! :shh
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Geez H, is that a pic of him now or when he first came to the club? He would disappear when he turns sideways
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Geez H, is that a pic of him now or when he first came to the club? He would disappear when he turns sideways
Hides behind the post to lose his man.
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Geez H, is that a pic of him now or when he first came to the club? He would disappear when he turns sideways
Hides behind the post to lose his man.
:clapping
weapon bring him in
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Relax that picture was taken donkeys yonkees ago i mean WTF , Kate moss has bigger arms. That kid hasn't been out of the weight since he lobbed at punt rd and has some serious strength just quietly. :shh Watch his highlights reel, he put a yard n his opponent in a blink of a eye and brushed aside reputed North ballarat defenders who are no slouches, with nonchalant ease. Tis kid has got it, well done FJ.......again :clapping
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VIDEO: McBean's bag of six :thumbsup
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-08-06/mcbeans-bag-of-six
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Geez H, is that a pic of him now or when he first came to the club? He would disappear when he turns sideways
Hides behind the post to lose his man.
:clapping
weapon bring him in
Do we bring Dank as well
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VIDEO: McBean's bag of six :thumbsup
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-08-06/mcbeans-bag-of-six
No wonder he kicked 6, he had no one on him!!!!
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Great effort Beaner! But that number 42 from Nth Ballarat was as useless as a one legged cat trying to bury a turd on a frozen lake.
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Great effort Beaner! But that number 42 from Nth Ballarat was as useless as a one legged cat trying to bury a turd on a frozen lake.
LOL :thumbsup
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Could come into the team and wear the #70 guernsey and start something new :shh
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VIDEO: McBean's bag of six :thumbsup
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-08-06/mcbeans-bag-of-six
Look's like he has put on a few Kg's since I last saw him. That's a very good trend, particularly during playing season.
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Watching Saints v Hawks and this Grimley has the kind of frame the Beaner will probably have early on. Seems to be coping ok.
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Watching Saints v Hawks and this Grimley has the kind of frame the Beaner will probably have early on. Seems to be coping ok.
he certainly was coping in the seconds better than McGuane prior to his elevation......but I can see some merit in holding him back against the better sides.....the GWS game is ideal I reckon.
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Got to be close #1 VFL goal kicker
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Got to be close #1 VFL goal kicker
He (36 goals) is sixth on the VFL Goalkickers list 2013 behind Ben Warren (48). Daniher is on 29.
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Got to be close #1 VFL goal kicker
He (36 goals) is sixth on the VFL Goalkickers list 2013 behind Ben Warren (48). Daniher is on 29.
Ben Warren :laugh:
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Number one with genuine potential.. Sry ben
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11 goals in a fortnight, whoa :clapping
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Got to be close #1 VFL goal kicker
He (36 goals) is sixth on the VFL Goalkickers list 2013 behind Ben Warren (48). Daniher is on 29.
Forgot to add that the Bean has played less games than all those above him and moreover, 2 less than the leaders. Amazing effort for a first year player.
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Got to be close #1 VFL goal kicker
He (36 goals) is sixth on the VFL Goalkickers list 2013 behind Ben Warren (48). Daniher is on 29.
Ben Warren :laugh:
I screwed up Dooks, Lourey is on 48, one ahead of Warren on 47....
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Watching Saints v Hawks and this Grimley has the kind of frame the Beaner will probably have early on. Seems to be coping ok.
he certainly was coping in the seconds better than McGuane prior to his elevation......but I can see some merit in holding him back against the better sides.....the GWS game is ideal I reckon.
McGuane is in the side ahead of McBean because the coaches' rate McGuane's defensive pressure in our forward line.
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Liam McBean was seen limping and being supported to the rooms during the 3 quarter time huddle. Terrrible news for Coburg and Richmond if it proves to be anything serious.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Coburg-Football-Club/172400646148468
:(
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TBH not really the end of the world. Get him right for day 1 of pre-season.
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Broken ankle for the beaner. Season over
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From twitter
@TigerlandTone: Bugger
“@JHunterSmith: Coburg coach Tim Clarke says McBean has a suspected broken left ankle. Scans tomorrow. Was on crutches in the rooms.”
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Poo
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if you keep playing him on sheep paddocks hes going be rooted eventually...
*no idea of the state of boxhilloval ;D*
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From twitter
@TigerlandTone: Bugger
“@JHunterSmith: Coburg coach Tim Clarke says McBean has a suspected broken left ankle. Scans tomorrow. Was on crutches in the rooms.”
:banghead
Should have played against Carlton!
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From twitter
@TigerlandTone: Bugger
“@JHunterSmith: Coburg coach Tim Clarke says McBean has a suspected broken left ankle. Scans tomorrow. Was on crutches in the rooms.”
:banghead
Should have played against Carlton!
And who to say it wouldn't have happened playing at the MCG
Please
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i dare say mcg more suited to someone of mcbeans qualities
not to mention the team mates as opposed to coburg listed hacks
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i dare say mcg more suited to someone of mcbeans qualities
not to mention the team mates as opposed to coburg listed hacks
More RFC boys playing with him than "Coburg hacks" today so that's a mute point I reckon
MCG, Etihad or anyone venue injuries happen
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It was the Coburg oval...and its surface looks below par.
Wayno was at the Coburg game as hes always(assume he has some official capacity ).At the 3/4 time huddle he seemed more than a little concerned watching the Bean being helped off the ground
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i dare say mcg more suited to someone of mcbeans qualities
not to mention the team mates as opposed to coburg listed hacks
More RFC boys playing with him than "Coburg hacks" today so that's a mute point I reckon
MCG, Etihad or anyone venue injuries happen
Leyeah I forgot lonergan
Good call
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It was the Coburg oval...and its surface looks below par.
Wayno was at the Coburg game as hes always(assume he has some official capacity ).At the 3/4 time huddle he seemed more than a little concerned watched the Bean being helped off the ground
Nae you are wrong
Wp said same chance at g
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It's amazing these lower grade teams can field a team at all with all the injuries they get playing on these substandard grounds.
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Bents I was at the game and unless I was infused with LSD the game I attended was at coburg
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Gigs. Was the ground in good nick?
All. Don't worry mate. We can rely on the Coburg listed players for laser beams to the forward s
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so now the injury wans't due to the poor condition of the ground but the poor delivery from the 4 or 5 coburg listed players that played?
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I am no horticultural expert but to me and my learned cousin who was with me ..the ground looked crap.
As it always does
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so now the injury wans't due to the poor condition of the ground but the poor delivery from the 4 or 5 coburg listed players that played?
No
The lack of goals from Elton mcbea. Griffs maybe hampered by vlastuin playing seniors and repleved by abdluaah and friends
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One of the discussions we had today at Coburg was how much better it would be for the Bean if he had Dusty,lids,and cotch spearing in passes to him.
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No shyte...
Gotta feel sry Beanstalk
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mostly griffs has been hampered because he and the ball are usually miles apart.
however lets hope today is a new beginning for griff
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One of the discussions we had today at Coburg was how much better it would be for the Bean if he had Dusty,lids,and cotch spearing in passes to him.
That sounds good in theory, but if you notice the delivery into our forward line at many stages throughout the year theory doesn't necessarily translate into reality.
You also have the counter, in that he will be playing on a much higher quality backman, who will most likely be a member of a better drilled and more professional backline overall.
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I agree Al all you say is also true
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It was the Coburg oval...and its surface looks below par.
Wayno was at the Coburg game as hes always(assume he has some official capacity ).At the 3/4 time huddle he seemed more than a little concerned watching the Bean being helped off the ground
How did it happen G, did he go up in a contest?...did Elton play well?
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Bo I was looking at something else at the time that walked passed me,however the incident happened in general play that he was involved in.
Elton presented well,however I still reckon like griff needs to get involved more
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Could you see Edwards or griff coming not calcs for a game next week G?
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Reckon Edwards might have a chance..Gee Bo I would love more than anything to see griff in,however his form just doesn't stack up.
Look maybe he is one of those type who people here have mentioned shows nothing in the magoos but excels in the ones
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Word is that the ground was deplorable today....
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Bo I was looking at something else at the time that walked passed me,however the incident happened in general play that he was involved in.
Elton presented well,however I still reckon like griff needs to get involved more
out of 10 what would you rate this something else?
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a solid 8
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One of the discussions we had today at Coburg was how much better it would be for the Bean if he had Dusty,lids,and cotch spearing in passes to him.
That sounds good in theory, but if you notice the delivery into our forward line at many stages throughout the year theory doesn't necessarily translate into reality.
You also have the counter, in that he will be playing on a much higher quality backman, who will most likely be a member of a better drilled and more professional backline overall.
You might call this the Bean Counter Al....
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TBH not really the end of the world. Get him right for day 1 of pre-season.
If its a broken ankle, he aint reporting in for round 1 let alone day 1 of preseason.
poo luck poor kid
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Reckon Edwards might have a chance..Gee Bo I would love more than anything to see griff in,however his form just doesn't stack up.
Look maybe he is one of those type who people here have mentioned shows nothing in the magoos but excels in the ones
hes never done anything in the ones to warrant that appraisal.
i dont care what people think but i will stay consistent and say apart from riewoldt and maric all of our talls are of concern.
mcbean is a skinny 200cm first yr player who shows plenty as a key forward. sad thing is he looks more likely as a first yr player than the majority of our talls.
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Rance is coming along very well imo. Tracking really well for a 23yo KPD
Vickery is showing some promising signs. Still goes missing and still inconsistent but his trending upwards in performance this season.
Chaplin has been fantastic too.
Astbury - too slow concerning
Griff - just cant get near it concerning
Elton - bit like Griff just doesn't get involved enough (like his attack on the ball in the air), but his kicking is poo
Grimes - injuries and small frame
McBean - very very raw but bloody encouraging
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RANCE VICKERY AND CHAPLIN ALL HAVE THEIR ISSUE.
Whoops caps on apologies.
Vickery in particular is a concern. He just doesnt do enough of the big man things if we wanted a a crumber we could have drafted a quick skillful sml med forward.
how does one say it without getting everyone off side. he plays like a sml he doesnt do what you expect kpps to do. he is poor in contests and in the air he lacks size and physicality. yeah he gets the ball at times but he gets the ball in the role of say paul hudson rather than a jon brown. hes 200cm and he has no presence he takes few contested marks and he does few hard acts. in fact he spectates when the ball has gone hes lazy and worst of all hes soft.
ask yourselves what do you want in your chf or even your resting ruckman/for. he doesnt tick many boxes.
i wont go into rance or chaplin. but if we are all honest we know they both have issues in some areas that kpds should not have issues in.
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RANCE VICKERY AND CHAPLIN ALL HAVE THEIR ISSUE.
Whoops caps on apologies.
Vickery in particular is a concern. He just doesnt do enough of the big man things if we wanted a a crumber we could have drafted a quick skillful sml med forward.
how does one say it without getting everyone off side. he plays like a sml he doesnt do what you expect kpps to do. he is poor in contests and in the air he lacks size and physicality. yeah he gets the ball at times but he gets the ball in the role of say paul hudson rather than a jon brown. hes 200cm and he has no presence he takes few contested marks and he does few hard acts. in fact he spectates when the ball has gone hes lazy and worst of all hes soft.
ask yourselves what do you want in your chf or even your resting ruckman/for. he doesnt tick many boxes.
i wont go into rance or chaplin. but if we are all honest we know they both have issues in some areas that kpds should not have issues in.
Heard it all before, its like you've been in a time capsule claw. :) Im staggered you haven't seen the vast improvement in Rance as this season has progressed. Hes gone from honest chopper to a genuine quality KPD as the season has progressed. His intercept and rebound skill is elite for a KPD and his 1 on 1 has improved heaps this season.
Vickery too has stepped it up markedly. Has had and still has issues re staying involved in games for longer spells, but again as the season has progressed his good patches have increased and they way he drifts completely out of games has diminished although that's still an issue he needs to work on. When it comes to your summation, again, I don't think he plays like a small at all. :huh He doesn't get involved enough but when he does he looks like a star in the making, can make the game look very easy at times whicvh is why he's so frustrating. But he's young, coming off a shoulder - so Im satisfied with the improvement hes shown as the season has progressed.
Chaplin. I'll say again has been fantastic for us, no player apart from the ultra elite like Taylor and McPharlin doesn't have issues in some areas.
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all i can say hannah montana is until i see for myself improvement in areas that are key for me i will remain critical.
i have little doubt we would be better off with say a elton mcbean riewoldt combo than persevering with vickery if he cant, na why bother at the end of the day you lot just dont want to know.
i will finish by saying yes i would keep rance but at the same time i would be vigorously looking for a mcpharlin rutten merrett frawley type. some players have assurance and make few mistakes and others are well like alex.
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B: Bernie Smith (Geelong) Stephen Silvagni (Carlton) John Nicholls (Carlton)
HB: Bruce Doull (Carlton) Ted Whitten (Footscray) Captain Kevin Murray (Fitzroy)
C: Francis Bourke (Richmond) Ian Stewart (St Kilda, Richmond) Keith Greig (North Melbourne)
HF: Alex Jesaulenko (Carlton, St Kilda) Royce Hart (Richmond) Dick Reynolds (Essendon)
F: Leigh Matthews (Hawthorn) John Coleman (Essendon) Haydn Bunton, Sr. (Fitzroy)
Foll: Graham Farmer (Geelong) Ron Barassi (Melbourne, Carlton) Bob Skilton (South Melbourne)
Int: Gary Ablett, Sr. (Hawthorn, Geelong) Jack Dyer (Richmond) Greg Williams (Geelong, Sydney, Carlton)
Reckon if we lined up like this on the weekend with all players in their prime Claw would still tell us we need to turn the list over and find upgrades. I don't think he can grasp the fact no team ever looks like this...
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all i can say hannah montana is until i see for myself improvement in areas that are key for me i will remain critical.
i have little doubt we would be better off with say a elton mcbean riewoldt combo than persevering with vickery if he cant, na why bother at the end of the day you lot just dont want to know.
i will finish by saying yes i would keep rance but at the same time i would be vigorously looking for a mcpharlin rutten merrett frawley type. some players have assurance and make few mistakes and others are well like alex.
Don't want to know what? Whereas you think Vickery is an out and out dud that should be delisted I see something in him. I've said numerous times he has flaws and needs to improve. Not sure what else I can say? That's the way I see it, whether its right or wrong time will tell.
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It was the Coburg oval...and its surface looks below par.
Wayno was at the Coburg game as hes always(assume he has some official capacity ).At the 3/4 time huddle he seemed more than a little concerned watching the Bean being helped off the ground
The surface at Coburg always looks below par but it gets sign off from the league so.
Wayne Campbell is the RFC representative on the Coburg board since CCameron left the RFC. Part of his role is helping them set up for 2014 as a stand alone club
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And just in case folks missed it in the Coburg -v- Box Hill Thread I'll post it here
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McBean injured in Coburg loss
By richmondfc.com.au
1:01am AEST Monday, August 19, 2013
Scans later today will determine the extent of an ankle injury suffered by exciting, young Richmond key forward, Liam McBean, playing for Coburg in the VFL on Sunday.
McBean left the field in the third quarter and did not return, as Coburg suffered an 87-point loss to Box Hill.
The talented 18-year-old had registered 13 disposals and kicked 1.4 before the injury.
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-19/mcbean-injured-in-coburg-loss
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Should of played him against the Blues...FFS :banghead
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Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Had a good chance to play this week with question marks over Jack. Will probably have to wait another year now.
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Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
This is not oneeyed-westcoast.com :banghead
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oneeyed-snake.com :cheers
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Well the good news is the ankle isn't broken but the bad news is McBean is out for the remainder of the season
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Ankle injury grounds McBean
By richmondfc.com.au
2:27pm AEST Monday, August 19, 2013
Exciting, young Tiger key-forward prospect, Liam McBean, will miss the remainder of the 2013 season with an ankle injury.
It was initially feared the 18-year-old had fractured his ankle while playing for Coburg against Box Hill in the VFL on Sunday, after he limped from the field during the third quarter. Scans today, however, revealed no bone damage.
McBean has damaged ankle ligaments, which means he will be sidelined for a short period.
“It’s disappointing for Liam, but the good news is he will be ready to go for the start of the pre-season,” said Richmond’s Elite Performance Manager, Peter Burge.
“He will wear a moon boot for the next few weeks, before beginning his rehab.”
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-19/ankle-injury-grounds-mcbean
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oneeyed-snake.com :cheers
Yes it is. :cheers
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:clapping :clapping good to hear
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B: Bernie Smith (Geelong) Stephen Silvagni (Carlton) John Nicholls (Carlton)
HB: Bruce Doull (Carlton) Ted Whitten (Footscray) Captain Kevin Murray (Fitzroy)
C: Francis Bourke (Richmond) Ian Stewart (St Kilda, Richmond) Keith Greig (North Melbourne)
HF: Alex Jesaulenko (Carlton, St Kilda) Royce Hart (Richmond) Dick Reynolds (Essendon)
F: Leigh Matthews (Hawthorn) John Coleman (Essendon) Haydn Bunton, Sr. (Fitzroy)
Foll: Graham Farmer (Geelong) Ron Barassi (Melbourne, Carlton) Bob Skilton (South Melbourne)
Int: Gary Ablett, Sr. (Hawthorn, Geelong) Jack Dyer (Richmond) Greg Williams (Geelong, Sydney, Carlton)
Reckon if we lined up like this on the weekend with all players in their prime Claw would still tell us we need to turn the list over and find upgrades. I don't think he can grasp the fact no team ever looks like this...
and you never ever seem to grasp that im not looking for a team full of A graders. the number of retreads and state league players i advocate we take should tell you this.
while we can do with some more a graders and v/good players the real problem is the over all lack of players with the required minimum skillset smarts and physical attributes to play at the level.
dont you ever wonder why so many of our players are so up and down with form sometimes from week to week and especially from yr to yr.
we can and should be looking to vastly improve on many on the list.
ya know reading these boards you would actually think we have achieved something for yrs on end when the simple fact is we have done nothing.
ffs we have a thread asking who should we play mcguane edwards or griffiths there is no other option what the hell does that say.
mate you could improve our list just by cutting 5 and giving some state leaguers and blokes not getting a go at other clubs a crack at it.
we play so many battlers it has got me stuffed wondering how the hell we made finals the only thing i can come up with is the footy gods are smiling god help us if the smiles turn to anger,
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You don't think the club continues to plan to turn over the list and continually improve? It's like you expect them to do it over night. Maybe you should hang off the list management talk until after the final delistings because you're not really giving the club a fair crack
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B: Bernie Smith (Geelong) Stephen Silvagni (Carlton) John Nicholls (Carlton)
HB: Bruce Doull (Carlton) Ted Whitten (Footscray) Captain Kevin Murray (Fitzroy)
C: Francis Bourke (Richmond) Ian Stewart (St Kilda, Richmond) Keith Greig (North Melbourne)
HF: Alex Jesaulenko (Carlton, St Kilda) Royce Hart (Richmond) Dick Reynolds (Essendon)
F: Leigh Matthews (Hawthorn) John Coleman (Essendon) Haydn Bunton, Sr. (Fitzroy)
Foll: Graham Farmer (Geelong) Ron Barassi (Melbourne, Carlton) Bob Skilton (South Melbourne)
Int: Gary Ablett, Sr. (Hawthorn, Geelong) Jack Dyer (Richmond) Greg Williams (Geelong, Sydney, Carlton)
Reckon if we lined up like this on the weekend with all players in their prime Claw would still tell us we need to turn the list over and find upgrades. I don't think he can grasp the fact no team ever looks like this...
It's because that team doesn't have Kevin Bartlett.
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Beware McBean
By richmondfc.com.au
9:29am AEST Friday, September 13, 2013
Justin Leppitsch knows a good forward when he sees one . . .
The triple Brisbane premiership player and three-time All-Australian representative, carved an illustrious league career as a centre half-back, consistently beating the best centre half-forwards in the competition over more than a decade.
So, when Leppitsch, now an assistant coach at Richmond, declares young Tiger tall forward Liam McBean a hot prospect, you clearly take notice.
McBean, who was Richmond’s second pick (No. 33 overall) in the 2012 AFL National Draft, kicked 37 goals from 14 games, in an impressive first-up season playing for the Club’s VFL affiliate Coburg.
“We were disappointed we didn’t get to see him (at AFL level),” Leppitsch told SEN.
“Just watching his VFL form, he’s very exciting
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-13/beware-mcbean
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Beware McBean
By richmondfc.com.au
Friday, September 13, 2013
McBean, who was Richmond’s second pick (No. 33 overall) in the 2012 AFL National Draft, kicked 37 goals from 14 games, in an impressive first-up season playing for the Club’s VFL affiliate Coburg.
“We were disappointed we didn’t get to see him (at AFL level),” Leppitsch told SEN.
“Just watching his VFL form, he’s very exciting.
“Probably his weight (93kg, to go with his 202cm height ), was the only thing that kept him out of the team.
“He’s a little bit light to go as a second ruckman, but he’s certainly a talented forward.
“I think next season, when he gets a little bit more weight on, he’ll be ready (for AFL action).
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-13/beware-mcbean
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Your club's next big thing
By staff writers 9:30am AEST Wednesday, October 2, 2013
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RICHMOND
Liam McBean
Taken with the club's third selection in last year's draft, the Tigers initially considered McBean to be a long-term prospect who needed time to develop. The tall forward/ruckman who can play like a midfielder arrived at the club light for his 202cm height but showed sufficient signs, kicking 37 goals from 14 VFL games to push himself close to senior selection. With another pre-season under his belt, the Tigers are expecting to see him at AFL level next year after being disappointed he missed out on a debut in his first season. - Jennifer Phelan
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-02/your-clubs-next-big-thing (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-02/your-clubs-next-big-thing)
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Offer him a contract extension now. If he plays seniors and plays well he'll be offered a lot by clubs like Brisbane at the end of the year.
Get it done tiges!
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Vickery, too.
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Jack and McBean talk
richmondfc.com.au
October 3, 2013 12:07 PM
Star Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt has expressed his excitement at the prospect of playing alongside talented Tiger tall prospect Liam McBean in the team’s forward line next season.
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-03/jack-and-mcbean-talk
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Jack and McBeanstalk :lol
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B: Bernie Smith (Geelong) Stephen Silvagni (Carlton) John Nicholls (Carlton)
HB: Bruce Doull (Carlton) Ted Whitten (Footscray) Captain Kevin Murray (Fitzroy)
C: Francis Bourke (Richmond) Ian Stewart (St Kilda, Richmond) Keith Greig (North Melbourne)
HF: Alex Jesaulenko (Carlton, St Kilda) Royce Hart (Richmond) Dick Reynolds (Essendon)
F: Leigh Matthews (Hawthorn) John Coleman (Essendon) Haydn Bunton, Sr. (Fitzroy)
Foll: Graham Farmer (Geelong) Ron Barassi (Melbourne, Carlton) Bob Skilton (South Melbourne)
Int: Gary Ablett, Sr. (Hawthorn, Geelong) Jack Dyer (Richmond) Greg Williams (Geelong, Sydney, Carlton)
Reckon if we lined up like this on the weekend with all players in their prime Claw would still tell us we need to turn the list over and find upgrades. I don't think he can grasp the fact no team ever looks like this...
Doubt i t :shh
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Liam McBean @liammcbean twitter:
"The life I'm living #sloth #GTA #dontratetheoutdoors"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWRbAsUCAAAFU8X.jpg)
http://t.co/id9qKYbaHX
"ankle going alright mate, hopefully be right to start pre season!"
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Bugger GTA5. If he's housebound, he should have the 1980 grand final on high rotation and hand passing the footy off the ceiling. Kids these days have too many distractions.
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What's the beanstalk weighing in at now? How close is he from being 100kg or whatever the desired weight is for his role?
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I bet nahas is loving fifa14
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In the third part of a new off-season series on richmondfc.com.au, Richmond’s VFL coach Tim Clarke provides an exclusive assessment of the 2013 form and future prospects of talented, young Tiger ‘tall’ forward Liam McBean.
Tim Clarke says: “Liam had an outstanding year for us.
“When he came on board, we looked at him . . . he’s 203cm and he wasn’t carrying a lot of weight – I think he was about 86-88 kilos.
“He put on five or six (kilos) over pre-season and held down that key forward position or us all year.
“I think he would have played seniors this year if he didn’t get injured (ankle).
“If he has a big pre-season and puts on some weight, he’s a big chance to move into our (AFL) forward line.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-17/liam-mcbean-in-focus
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Bugger GTA5. If he's housebound, he should have the 1980 grand final on high rotation and hand passing the footy off the ceiling. Kids these days have too many distractions.
Love to see what your thoughts were after a few hours on GTA on a lazy Sunday arvo.
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Bugger GTA5. If he's housebound, he should have the 1980 grand final on high rotation and hand passing the footy off the ceiling. Kids these days have too many distractions.
Love to see what your thoughts were after a few hours on GTA on a lazy Sunday arvo.
DTRF, don't get me wrong, I plan to get the game when PS4 comes out, I just hope the Beaner maintains his passion for footy and the RFC whilst he is off his feet.
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“When he came on board, we looked at him . . . he’s 203cm and he wasn’t carrying a lot of weight – I think he was about 86-88 kilos.
“He put on five or six (kilos) over pre-season and held down that key forward position or us all year.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-17/liam-mcbean-in-focus
The fact he put on weight is a really good sign, it means he can unlike permanent bean stalks like David Bourke. I have to say I was worried he was and I wouldn't have recruited him myself. I hope he puts on 6 kilos more this year and is near 96-98 and over 100 the next year.
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So does this confirm that McBean and TV / Hampson will be vying for the same spot in latter half of 2014 ?
RFC cannot have team balance with Maric, TV, Hampson & McBean in the same side ?
Surely a max of 3 out the 4 play in the September side where structure and form combine for success.
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Why not?
Forward - jack / vickey / mcbean
Ruck - maric /
Bench - hampson
From memory hawthorn , Sydney, freo all played quite tall, in the led up and during finals
Its the same as playing jack Vickery and mcgaune or Aaron Edwards
Maric and orren
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I bet nahas is loving fifa14
That game is the same poo every year
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I bet nahas is loving fifa14
That game is the same poo every year
Nae, there is slight variations
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I bet nahas is loving fifa14
That game is the same poo every year
Nae, there is slight variations
Such as
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Such as I was OK @ 13, rubbish @ 14 >:(
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yeah same not as good on 14
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me: ShaneTuck21
bring it on bunnies >:(
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Richmond Tiger Talk @Richmond_TT
RTT interview Glenn Luff @LuffG0305 from Champion Data about what the AFL prospectus will say about the Tigers http://richo.podbean.com
Btw @LuffG0305 said off air he asked his staff to double check @liammcbean #aflprospectus2014 stats because they were so good for a tall
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McBean is gonna be a superstar
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McBean is gonna be a superstar
Not if he reads his own press :whistle
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McBean is gonna be a superstar
Not if he reads his own press :whistle
Will only inspire him to even greater heights.
A bizarre Matera/Salmon hybrid created in a lab - I call him Frankenbean.
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McBean is gonna be a superstar
Not if he reads his own press :whistle
Will only inspire him to even greater heights.
A bizarre Matera/Salmon hybrid created in a lab - I call him Frankenbean.
:lol
Cant wait to watch him eventually wreak terrible revenge on his creators/parents.
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So does this confirm that McBean and TV / Hampson will be vying for the same spot in latter half of 2014 ?
RFC cannot have team balance with Maric, TV, Hampson & McBean in the same side ?
Surely a max of 3 out the 4 play in the September side where structure and form combine for success.
i would not think so.
riewoldt is a shoe in for ond kpf spot. hampson is a shoe in for the ruck/for spot otherwise why did we target him. imo the fight for the second kpf spot is between blokes like vickery mcbean elton astbury and possibly griffiths. none of them atm are an answer to the tuck/forward problems we have, but all could possibly be an answer to the second kpf problem.
of all of mcbean, vickery, elton,astbury, and griffiths, who is the best aeralist among them?? it is elton imo. i would have thought taking and competing for marks is a high requisite for any kpf.
i suppose it leads to the question of what do you want from players 195cm plus. why play a lumbering 200cm player if he cant mark or rarely competes in the air. may as well go with a smaller more agile player.
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Vickery will continue to grow in size and become harder to move aside out of any ruck contest. Vickery also has agility and speed. I think he will surprize you this year claw.
McBean can take a great grab and is fantastic below his knees. Kicks as many goals crumbing as he does from set shots. Reminds me of taller, lanker Jack to be honest minus the big screamers.
I'm not sure Elton or Griff will make it. Astbury will be a backman and showed signs of being an even better option than Grimes this year....
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on grand final day hawthorn played:
bailey
hale
gunston
franklin
roughead
why is
maric
hampson
riewoldt
vickery
mcbean
unrealistic?
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on grand final day hawthorn played:
bailey
hale
gunston
franklin
roughead
why is
maric
hampson
riewoldt
vickery
mcbean
unrealistic?
It's not!
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A bizarre Matera/Salmon hybrid created in a lab - I call him Frankenbean.
:rollin That's the funniest thing I've heard today. Gotta put on some size. Maybe he needs a diet of franks 'n beans?
Edited to correct quote
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Frankenbean :cheers
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Vickery will continue to grow in size and become harder to move aside out of any ruck contest. Vickery also has agility and speed. I think he will surprize you this year claw.
McBean can take a great grab and is fantastic below his knees. Kicks as many goals crumbing as he does from set shots. Reminds me of taller, lanker Jack to be honest minus the big screamers.
I'm not sure Elton or Griff will make it. Astbury will be a backman and showed signs of being an even better option than Grimes this year....
vickery will never be a #1 ruck no matter how much size he puts on. yes vickery has agility and speed and atm thats about all hes got. again i ask what are the main kpi s you want from 200cm players.
ah mcbean. the new griffiths, well the love for a bloke whos achived nothing is comparable. its quite funny.
potential is potential and an awful lot of players have it but it seems only at richmond are they idolised before they have turned that potential into something approaching afl standard.
is there just one richmonmd supporter out there who has voiced any sort of concern at all about mcbean.
you know i got hauled over the coals for suggesting mcbean can take a mark i was told hes not taking em at coburg. and as it panned out those people were right.i know hes skinyy but again i ask what do we want from 200cm players what areas are critical they be very good at.
is he another who has too big a reliance on agility speed and ground work. the club keep on telling us they drafted him to eventually become our #1 ruckman is it really so bad to ask, is that a realistic interpretation of what he is.
me i thought hed make a great chb i still think defense is his position. i have concerns about him being a ruckman and there are some little nagging feelings that he wont be a forward at the level either.
anyway once again im prepared to voice my concerns. now bag away one and all. i know it contradicts the feel good perception of those who want him so badly to be a champion. i know it goes against popular opinion so bag away how dare someone go against the grain.
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vickery will never be a #1 ruck no matter how much size he puts on. yes vickery has agility and speed and atm thats about all hes got.
why?
IMO some of tyrones best football has been from the midfield
Franklin goes alright without being able to mark
If you watch young bean at training be looks a pure forward with all the tricks. Knows where the goals are
The kids not debut yet and you are bagging him
usually a giant 'project' type would be given four + years...
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Claw - I think the optimism surrounding McBean is far more justified than it ever was for Griffiths. Griffiths may yet turn into a quality player but he never had the same dominance in front of goal as McBean has had in his first year. Yes he scored as many goals from crumbing as he did from set shots but is that a bad thing. Just proves he is versatile and creative in the F50. Jack has a similar sort of ratio this year - in fact I believe he kicks more from crumbing/opportunist type than marks in 2014. Bean's marking will improve because it was always an asset for him when playing underage footy where his body size and strength was more balanced with the defenders.
I remember watching Jack play along side Morton for Coburg before he grabbed his chance the next year and I see a hell of a lot of similarities to McBean's year. I think he is a couple of seasons away from securing a permanent spot but the optimism on is far from based opinion alone claw. The stats and highlight reel is hard to ignore. :cheers
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I find it hard to believe you could find it a negative that a tall player has ground skills. The opposite I would've thought.
Some of the best forwards were elite because of their ability to take the ball at their shoe laces
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on grand final day hawthorn played:
bailey
hale
gunston
franklin
roughead
why is
maric
hampson
riewoldt
vickery
mcbean
unrealistic?
Think there's a fair difference between the 2 groups
franklin, gunston, roughead so much more agile across the ground than ours. I know Mcbean is quick and agile, but will he be when he puts on the required 17-18 kegs? Gunston can play small, none of ours can
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Tyrone is v agile
Mcbean plays small
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on grand final day hawthorn played:
bailey
hale
gunston
franklin
roughead
why is
maric
hampson
riewoldt
vickery
mcbean
unrealistic?
Because none of our forwards have the mobility of Franklin, Roughead, Gunston. Franklin is a freak and Roughead rotates into the midfield. Gunston is an athletic medium sized fwd who just happens to be tall for that position.
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Bean is the white franklin
Roughead isn't really a mid. Jus a gimic
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vickery will never be a #1 ruck no matter how much size he puts on. yes vickery has agility and speed and atm thats about all hes got.
why?
IMO some of tyrones best football has been from the midfield
Franklin goes alright without being able to mark
If you watch young bean at training be looks a pure forward with all the tricks. Knows where the goals are
The kids not debut yet and you are bagging him
usually a giant 'project' type would be given four + years...
jeezus h Geez where in hell did i bag the kid, yes he should be given 4 plus yrs but cant we comment on the good and bad in the mean time.
all ive said there is a lot of love for a kid who hasnt even played a game yet and who hasnt shown any sort of outstanding aerial quality that you would expect from a 200cm player.
we do this, talk em up as supporters all the time before they have done a thing. far more often than not we end up with egg on our faces.
ffs mcbean hes supposed to become our first ruck. what attributes does he need or should he have that will allow him to become the player we drafted him to become. they certainly arent being good at ground level and crumbing goals. while they are indeed good attributes to have they are not the most important ones we want from ruckmen and kpps.
vickery geez do i have to go over why i dont rate him again and again and again. let me be perfectly clear and as blunt as i can be. pea hearts do not make it as ruckmen in any league yet alone afl. wait you could be right afl has become so sanitised and soft vickers may yet make it.
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FFS
in his first year mcbean has been one of the stand out forwards of the VFL.
unlike others such as griffiths who has shown SWA, Mcbean has performed at the the 2nd tier.
he has shown more than any other kid as a kpf or a number of years.
Stuff me.
Get stuffing real, the positivity is warranted, although for some positivity is an dirty word.
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on grand final day hawthorn played:
bailey
hale
gunston
franklin
roughead
why is
maric
hampson
riewoldt
vickery
mcbean
unrealistic?
Because none of our forwards have the mobility of Franklin, Roughead, Gunston. Franklin is a freak and Roughead rotates into the midfield. Gunston is an athletic medium sized fwd who just happens to be tall for that position.
Thankyou
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Thats ok
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FFS
in his first year mcbean has been one of the stand out forwards of the VFL.
unlike others such as griffiths who has shown SWA, Mcbean has performed at the the 2nd tier.
he has shown more than any other kid as a kpf or a number of years.
Stuff me.
Get stuffing real, the positivity is warranted, although for some positivity is an dirty word.
lol ive seen even greater positivity over griffiths short career and where did it get us. you can reel em off in the shedloads yet im to get real. post astbury grimes vickery to date on our list champions all and lets not dare criticise em eh or even say they have to prove themselves. i wonder who should get real.
ive gotta ask why do people never learn, why the impatience awhy cant they actually wait for players to properly develop and then perform at the least to a reasonable standard before lauding them as the next big thing.
seems 30 plus yrs of abject failure and making the same sort of judgements is of no concern, lets just keep on praising em up before they do a thing. sooner or later one of em will turn out good. yep some just never learn.
i suppose the old idea of players actually proving themselves and then becoming good consistent players is old hack. me i think i will stick to those notions unlike others who it seems are still easily pleased by that word potential and are happy to pronounce em the next big thing before they have played a game.
yep i really do wonder who is the one who should get real.
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FFS
in his first year mcbean has been one of the stand out forwards of the VFL.
unlike others such as griffiths who has shown SWA, Mcbean has performed at the the 2nd tier.
he has shown more than any other kid as a kpf or a number of years.
Stuff me.
Get stuffing real, the positivity is warranted, although for some positivity is an dirty word.
lol ive seen even greater positivity over griffiths short career and where did it get us. you can reel em off in the shedloads yet im to get real. post astbury grimes vickery to date on our list champions all and lets not dare criticise em eh or even say they have to prove themselves. i wonder who should get real.
ive gotta ask why do people never learn, why the impatience awhy cant they actually wait for players to properly develop and then perform at the least to a reasonable standard before lauding them as the next big thing.
seems 30 plus yrs of abject failure and making the same sort of judgements is of no concern, lets just keep on praising em up before they do a thing. sooner or later one of em will turn out good. yep some just never learn.
i suppose the old idea of players actually proving themselves and then becoming good consistent players is old hack. me i think i will stick to those notions unlike others who it seems are still easily pleased by that word potential and are happy to pronounce em the next big thing before they have played a game.
yep i really do wonder who is the one who should get real.
Just drop it claw.
McBean has at least shown more than the others with actual performances. His super coach data is excellent. Whilst guts like Griffiths titillate you with their size and kicking ability, McBean has put in real performances.
McBean will never be a ruckman, at least not for a good 5 or 6 years. If you've ever seen him play, he actually plays like a small so he is very difficult to match up on. The poor kid has just finished his first season and has shown more than any other kpf other than Joe Daniher. Give him a break.
You say you're consistent but you're not. One minute you're saying draft kids with the ND, then the next you're bagging them saying what have they shown?!!! It's normal for supporters to look for the next big hope, so let them!
At least the RFC is putting a system in place that it hopes will fast track development. The results may take a few years to come to fruition but at least they are trying something different. This is despite you claiming that they are continually doing the same thing.
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ffs mcbean hes supposed to become our first ruck.
dont believe everything the clubs says
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FFS
in his first year mcbean has been one of the stand out forwards of the VFL.
unlike others such as griffiths who has shown SWA, Mcbean has performed at the the 2nd tier.
he has shown more than any other kid as a kpf or a number of years.
Stuff me.
Get stuffing real, the positivity is warranted, although for some positivity is an dirty word.
lol ive seen even greater positivity over griffiths short career and where did it get us. you can reel em off in the shedloads yet im to get real. post astbury grimes vickery to date on our list champions all and lets not dare criticise em eh or even say they have to prove themselves. i wonder who should get real.
ive gotta ask why do people never learn, why the impatience awhy cant they actually wait for players to properly develop and then perform at the least to a reasonable standard before lauding them as the next big thing.
seems 30 plus yrs of abject failure and making the same sort of judgements is of no concern, lets just keep on praising em up before they do a thing. sooner or later one of em will turn out good. yep some just never learn.
i suppose the old idea of players actually proving themselves and then becoming good consistent players is old hack. me i think i will stick to those notions unlike others who it seems are still easily pleased by that word potential and are happy to pronounce em the next big thing before they have played a game.
yep i really do wonder who is the one who should get real.
you are definately the one who needs to get real. go and have at look at mcbeans performance at VFL. You can list all the names of blokes who have shown nothing but that is just misery guts irrelevance.
Unlike all the others you mention, he has actually performed. Ranked 9 in the VFL goalkicking from 13 games, 5th on goals per game. What more do you want from a 200cm beanpole in his first year?
If someone his age had performed like that in the WAFL you'd be gobbling his name about like a turkey, telling all and sundry that if we didnt draft him we would be doomed for another 100 years.
If people cant show a bit of positiveness and excitement over a kid who,in his first year, has actually shown he can perform at 2nd tier senior level, then we all may as well line up behind you and your misery guts followers and neck ourselves.
If you want to spend your life in a pit of despair, thats fine, but why try to drag everyone else into the pit of darkness with you? Misery certainly does love company.
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jeezus h Geez ...
Damn it claw, I wish you hadn't said that. Read the rest of your post in Mr Slave's voice from South Park. I'm really hoping that doesn't stick, it's quite disturbing.
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If you want to spend your life in a pit of despair, thats fine, but why try to drag everyone else into the pit of darkness with you? Misery certainly does love company.
Misery was September 8th, 2013....…. The blackest day in football!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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FFS
in his first year mcbean has been one of the stand out forwards of the VFL.
unlike others such as griffiths who has shown SWA, Mcbean has performed at the the 2nd tier.
he has shown more than any other kid as a kpf or a number of years.
Stuff me.
Get stuffing real, the positivity is warranted, although for some positivity is an dirty word.
lol ive seen even greater positivity over griffiths short career and where did it get us. you can reel em off in the shedloads yet im to get real. post astbury grimes vickery to date on our list champions all and lets not dare criticise em eh or even say they have to prove themselves. i wonder who should get real.
ive gotta ask why do people never learn, why the impatience awhy cant they actually wait for players to properly develop and then perform at the least to a reasonable standard before lauding them as the next big thing.
seems 30 plus yrs of abject failure and making the same sort of judgements is of no concern, lets just keep on praising em up before they do a thing. sooner or later one of em will turn out good. yep some just never learn.
i suppose the old idea of players actually proving themselves and then becoming good consistent players is old hack. me i think i will stick to those notions unlike others who it seems are still easily pleased by that word potential and are happy to pronounce em the next big thing before they have played a game.
yep i really do wonder who is the one who should get real.
you are definately the one who needs to get real. go and have at look at mcbeans performance at VFL. You can list all the names of blokes who have shown nothing but that is just misery guts irrelevance.
Unlike all the others you mention, he has actually performed. Ranked 9 in the VFL goalkicking from 13 games, 5th on goals per game. What more do you want from a 200cm beanpole in his first year?
If someone his age had performed like that in the WAFL you'd be gobbling his name about like a turkey, telling all and sundry that if we didnt draft him we would be doomed for another 100 years.
If people cant show a bit of positiveness and excitement over a kid who,in his first year, has actually shown he can perform at 2nd tier senior level, then we all may as well line up behind you and your misery guts followers and neck ourselves.
If you want to spend your life in a pit of despair, thats fine, but why try to drag everyone else into the pit of darkness with you? Misery certainly does love company.
and yet hes to play an afl game. but never mind that hes a champion. its hilarious. delusion is grand.
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Who said he was a champion?
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no one. no one at all. he's just making poo up to justify his misery guts attitude.
Claw wants everyone to assume the foetal position in a dark corner and wait to die. Maybe one day someone will yell through the window and we won a premiership and we will be allowed a little nervous smile, but hope, excitement or any of those other things that make our life a little more enjoyable are definitely not permitted.
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Hate to go against santa at this time of year but sorry claw, you're on your own on this one. Take it from someone who, like you is a cynical realist, extremely weary of hype and has seen & heard it all before....kid's got what it takes and frankly I'd be staggered if he didn't make it.
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vickery will never be a #1 ruck no matter how much size he puts on. yes vickery has agility and speed and atm thats about all hes got.
why?
IMO some of tyrones best football has been from the midfield
Franklin goes alright without being able to mark
If you watch young bean at training be looks a pure forward with all the tricks. Knows where the goals are
The kids not debut yet and you are bagging him
usually a giant 'project' type would be given four + years...
jeezus
all ive said there is a lot of love for a kid who hasnt even played a game yet and who hasnt shown any sort of outstanding aerial quality that you would expect from a 200cm player.
we do this, talk em up as supporters all the time before they have done a thing. far more often than not we end up with egg on our faces.
As an 18 yr old playing in the vfl he was top 5 in the league for marks inside fifty.
Seriously claw, if you are going to appraise footballers, at least get your facts right.
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on grand final day hawthorn played:
bailey
hale
gunston
franklin
roughead
why is
maric
hampson
riewoldt
vickery
mcbean
unrealistic?
Because none of our forwards have the mobility of Franklin, Roughead, Gunston. Franklin is a freak and Roughead rotates into the midfield. Gunston is an athletic medium sized fwd who just happens to be tall for that position.
bullcrap, vickery & mcbean can play midfield and jack is as mobile as they come
has gunston ever even been manned up? (apart from when he got reamed by david treacle arseberry, lol)
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Hate to go against santa at this time of year but sorry claw, you're on your own on this one. Take it from someone who, like you is a cynical realist, extremely weary of hype and has seen & heard it all before....kid's got what it takes and frankly I'd be staggered if he didn't make it.
dont believe ive said he wont make it.
what i have said is theres an awful lot of love for a bloke who is yet to play a game. all im doing is questioning why we annoint them before they have done a thing. until he does perform at the level hes just another kid with a potential tag.
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Hate to go against santa at this time of year but sorry claw, you're on your own on this one. Take it from someone who, like you is a cynical realist, extremely weary of hype and has seen & heard it all before....kid's got what it takes and frankly I'd be staggered if he didn't make it.
dont believe ive said he wont make it.
what i have said is theres an awful lot of love for a bloke who is yet to play a game. all im doing is questioning why we annoint them before they have done a thing. until he does perform at the level hes just another kid with a potential tag.
totally agree
the guy hasn't done a thing imho
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Hate to go against santa at this time of year but sorry claw, you're on your own on this one. Take it from someone who, like you is a cynical realist, extremely weary of hype and has seen & heard it all before....kid's got what it takes and frankly I'd be staggered if he didn't make it.
dont believe ive said he wont make it.
what i have said is theres an awful lot of love for a bloke who is yet to play a game. all im doing is questioning why we annoint them before they have done a thing. until he does perform at the level hes just another kid with a potential tag.
Agree, but McBean has been good at VFL and I'm sure a lot of it is just a pee take. At least I think it is. As long as McBean himself doesn't get ahead of himself he'll be right.
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Hate to go against santa at this time of year but sorry claw, you're on your own on this one. Take it from someone who, like you is a cynical realist, extremely weary of hype and has seen & heard it all before....kid's got what it takes and frankly I'd be staggered if he didn't make it.
dont believe ive said he wont make it.
what i have said is theres an awful lot of love for a bloke who is yet to play a game. all im doing is questioning why we annoint them before they have done a thing. until he does perform at the level hes just another kid with a potential tag.
totally agree
the guy hasn't done a thing imho
37 goals in 14 games strongly suggests otherwise, in fact it strongly suggests he's done more in just two-thirds of a season than both Griffiths & Elton have done in a combined total of six seasons.
Can we guarantee 100% he'll make it - well no, there a very few kids you can 100% guarantee until they actually start playing AFL. Could well be one of those too good for VFL, not good enough for AFL types but I doubt it... IMO barring severe injuries -which is always a possibility with tall skinny kids and trust me, was the only reason he was held back last year- there aren't too many other reasons why he can't.
He has guts, determination & work ethic, this already puts him ahead of the likes of Griffiths & Post - he has great game sense/smarts and knows where to run, this puts him ahead of those two as well as Todd "lost" Elton. He's quicker than Astbury. His agility for his size is remarkable, in fact his level of agilty would be impressive for a 185 cm mid, so it's not merely just "good for his size".
His alleged deficiencies - contested marking (he doesn't really play the kind of role that requires alot of it yet -plus his skill in creating leads and reading the flight is such that he often finds himself out on his own. ) & set shot kicking (technique's fine enough)are not that bad and are more just aspects he'll need to work on the same as every kid his age -even the the highly rated top draft picks - has aspects of their games they need to work on.....and yes he probably won't be playing in the ruck for a fair while yet.
Let's not forget his 37 goals in 14 games came playing on the end of some shocking and often non-existent delivery in the second worst team in the VFL, a team often heavily compromised as to what structures & match-ups they could employ.
Yes there's been a lot of exaggerated urine extracting hype around the traps regarding his talents, but every now & then there are kids you can just tell have what it takes - for me he's one of those kids....and as I said, I'm far from a glass half full brightsider or delusional feral.
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Hate to go against santa at this time of year but sorry claw, you're on your own on this one. Take it from someone who, like you is a cynical realist, extremely weary of hype and has seen & heard it all before....kid's got what it takes and frankly I'd be staggered if he didn't make it.
dont believe ive said he wont make it.
what i have said is theres an awful lot of love for a bloke who is yet to play a game. all im doing is questioning why we annoint them before they have done a thing. until he does perform at the level hes just another kid with a potential tag.
Agree, but McBean has been good at VFL and I'm sure a lot of it is just a pee take. At least I think it is. As long as McBean himself doesn't get ahead of himself he'll be right.
yeah just a little bit of pee taking but theres an element of annoyance as well.
sick to death of players being pronounced before they have done a thing.
one lesson ive learnt fromthe last 30 yrs is players can show heaps they can even have a decent season at the top level but it means jack. let em prove themselves first and then let em show they can do it consistently.
just to finish and again i will be honest. i have never ever rated mcbean as a ruckman and i continue to have some small concerns about aspects of him. i wont be sure about him until i see what he becomes physically and how he performs some pretty crucial areas of the game for 200cm plus players. i wont be talking him down for at least 3 yrs or more and my expectations for him in the near future are low.
yes hes performed at afl level and as such im all for giving him a role in the seniors if for no other reason the experience but also to see how he handles it. i was for giving him a few games this yr as well. you know what if he goes alright keep him in. i still think he would make a real good chb. im not so sure about him being a forward at afl level.
its funny most are talking up a beanpole to significantly impact the seniors next yr yet in the same breath they talk about development.
like i said theres an awful lot of love for a bloke whos yet to play a game and is abot 15kg away from where he needs to get.
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I hope he hardly plays a game next year to be honest Claw. I don't think he's a ruck either. He wasn't really one as a junior but he was a good KPP. He needs the weight to get better as a contested mark but he can do pretty much everything else and he's generally a dead eye.
Hopefully can dominate VFL a bit more and keep Vickery under the pump now that Vickery is going to be played as KPF only. That's the role I expected McBean to grab eventually (2nd fiddle to Jack) with Vickery as 2nd ruck but they've aborted that so now Vickery isn't as certain to play each week IMO.
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I hope he hardly plays a game next year to be honest Claw. I don't think he's a ruck either. He wasn't really one as a junior but he was a good KPP. He needs the weight to get better as a contested mark but he can do pretty much everything else and he's generally a dead eye.
Hopefully can dominate VFL a bit more and keep Vickery under the pump now that Vickery is going to be played as KPF only. That's the role I expected McBean to grab eventually (2nd fiddle to Jack) with Vickery as 2nd ruck but they've aborted that so now Vickery isn't as certain to play each week IMO.
Imo Vickery's strengths are his agility, marking capabilities and movement around the ground. If McBean comes on and proves himself a superior option to Vickery up forward then I would love the coaches to begin to focus almost exclusively of Vickery's rucking. As his size increases I think he will make an ideal 2nd ruck/forward but at the moment his tap work is not up to scratch.
McBean needs another year to grow in confidence and size imo. Give him a few games later in the year or if injury demands it but otherwise keep giving him time.
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I hope he hardly plays a game next year to be honest Claw. I don't think he's a ruck either. He wasn't really one as a junior but he was a good KPP. He needs the weight to get better as a contested mark but he can do pretty much everything else and he's generally a dead eye.
Hopefully can dominate VFL a bit more and keep Vickery under the pump now that Vickery is going to be played as KPF only. That's the role I expected McBean to grab eventually (2nd fiddle to Jack) with Vickery as 2nd ruck but they've aborted that so now Vickery isn't as certain to play each week IMO.
Imo Vickery's strengths are his agility, marking capabilities and movement around the ground. If McBean comes on and proves himself a superior option to Vickery up forward then I would love the coaches to begin to focus almost exclusively of Vickery's rucking. As his size increases I think he will make an ideal 2nd ruck/forward but at the moment his tap work is not up to scratch.
McBean needs another year to grow in confidence and size imo. Give him a few games later in the year or if injury demands it but otherwise keep giving him time.
Agree, I hate it when they rush these kids in. BTW how heavy is the McBean Stalk?
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"yeah just a little bit of pee taking but theres an element of annoyance as well.
sick to death of players being pronounced before they have done a thing.
one lesson ive learnt fromthe last 30 yrs is players can show heaps they can even have a decent season at the top level but it means jack. let em prove themselves first and then let em show they can do it consistently."
What exactly are your professional credentials over 30 years?
Do you work professionally on list management?
If not, your learning over 30 years is no more insightful than anyone else who follows the game and our club closely.
And while I'm just a little bit of pee taking there's an element of annoyance that you somehow elevate your view of list management above everyone else's.
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"yeah just a little bit of pee taking but theres an element of annoyance as well.
sick to death of players being pronounced before they have done a thing.
one lesson ive learnt fromthe last 30 yrs is players can show heaps they can even have a decent season at the top level but it means jack. let em prove themselves first and then let em show they can do it consistently."
What exactly are your professional credentials over 30 years?
Do you work professionally on list management?
If not, your learning over 30 years is no more insightful than anyone else who follows the game and our club closely.
And while I'm just a little bit of pee taking there's an element of annoyance that you somehow elevate your view of list management above everyone else's.
:lol
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who cares if hes a ruckman or not if he can stand in a forward pocket or play as a half forward and he probably could considering his mobility and kick 30 goals a season thats good enough for me.
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Lol @ needs 20 kegs
Have u seen him play?
White franklin
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VIDEO: McBean prepares for 2014 ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-01-13/mcbean-prepares-for-2014
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the bean will either be the next superstar or the next alastair scott or justin plapp. lets hope its the former and not the latter.
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He'll be a tough matchup. Ok, so his contested marking is so so, all that he needs to do is bring the ball to ground, then his agility will see him destroy big, slow 195cm + kpd.
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McBean on the verge
richmondfc.com.au
January 14, 2014
Exciting Richmond key position youngster Liam McBean is on the verge of returning to the main training group, as he nears the end of a rehabilitation phase caused by an ankle injury last season.
The 203cm 19-year-old has already set his sights on being available for the start of the AFL season, after an impressive first year in the system.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-01-14/mcbean-on-the-verge
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This is good news, lets hope he trips over during training and falls in a pile of muscle, without hurting himself of course.. ;D
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Can't see him seeing much game time early. I think only a few games in 2014 until the pile of muscle appears that WA refers to 😊
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#McStringBean
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He'll be a tough matchup. Ok, so his contested marking is so so, all that he needs to do is bring the ball to ground, then his agility will see him destroy big, slow 195cm + kpd.
sounds like franklins
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White Franklin
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he's part indigenous, will be tossing the coin in the dream time game man
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White Franklin
Whanklin
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Didn't really get into it did he!
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Give him 3 years
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McBonged
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Didn't really get into it did he!
Yep, really struggled with the pace of the game
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Didn't expect him to play because he's missed all pre-season and when he did I expected little but...
...Was as soft as butter. It's ok to get beaten by Frawley whose one of the best KPD's in the game but keep ya stuffing feet :banghead :banghead
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Yeah was surprised to see him go to ground so easily, so often, maybe he just got carried away trying to demonstrate his fabled skills below the knees for the masses......either that or Rance was his pre-season training partner.
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Don't forget he was playing on Frawley and Dunn who are two of Melbourne's most experienced and strongest hackmen. He was monstered. Just not yet strong enough but it will come.
Unlike Daniher last night who played mostly on an undersized 19 year old.
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Don't forget he was playing on Frawley and Dunn who are two of Melbourne's most experienced and strongest hackmen. He was monstered. Just not yet strong enough but it will come.
Unlike Daniher last night who played mostly on an undersized 19 year old.
I mentioned he played on Frawley and he hasn't had a pre-season but that doesn't excuse you from just going to ground all the time. It's soft and weak and it was a knock on him as a junior otherwise he was looking at being a top 10-15 pick. It's a terrible look as you're out of the contest and it wasn't because he was slipping.
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He was just practising playing for free kicks, clearly needs some work and proves Jack's leadership is poor, I didn't even see McBean point once. I don't know what we are teaching these kids FFS :banghead
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Don't forget he was playing on Frawley and Dunn who are two of Melbourne's most experienced and strongest hackmen. He was monstered. Just not yet strong enough but it will come.
Unlike Daniher last night who played mostly on an undersized 19 year old.
Big like mcdonuts vs that Carlton shyte eater. Can't judge kids on game #1
Unless its Griffith first game in the ruck. Weak as water.
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Don't forget he was playing on Frawley and Dunn who are two of Melbourne's most experienced and strongest hackmen. He was monstered. Just not yet strong enough but it will come.
Unlike Daniher last night who played mostly on an undersized 19 year old.
I mentioned he played on Frawley and he hasn't had a pre-season but that doesn't excuse you from just going to ground all the time. It's soft and weak and it was a knock on him as a junior otherwise he was looking at being a top 10-15 pick. It's a terrible look as you're out of the contest and it wasn't because he was slipping.
Can't comment on his junior days but he wasn't going to ground like that last year - and I saw a fair bit of him, often in a lot worse conditions and on a lot worse surfaces.
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Don't forget he was playing on Frawley and Dunn who are two of Melbourne's most experienced and strongest hackmen. He was monstered. Just not yet strong enough but it will come.
Unlike Daniher last night who played mostly on an undersized 19 year old.
Big like mcdonuts vs that Carlton shyte eater. Can't judge kids on game #1
Unless its Griffith first game in the ruck. Weak as water.
McDonough didn't fall over when anyone got within 5m of him. Yeah he wasn't up to the pace of it but that happens with all kids early on. McBean I was expecting nothing from but he needs to stamp the soft, falling over crap out of his game straight away.
Don't forget he was playing on Frawley and Dunn who are two of Melbourne's most experienced and strongest hackmen. He was monstered. Just not yet strong enough but it will come.
Unlike Daniher last night who played mostly on an undersized 19 year old.
I mentioned he played on Frawley and he hasn't had a pre-season but that doesn't excuse you from just going to ground all the time. It's soft and weak and it was a knock on him as a junior otherwise he was looking at being a top 10-15 pick. It's a terrible look as you're out of the contest and it wasn't because he was slipping.
Can't comment on his junior days but he wasn't going to ground like that last year - and I saw a fair bit of him, often in a lot worse conditions and on a lot worse surfaces.
Yeh I didn't see him do it last year so hopefully it won't happen again. Needs to stamp it out straight away. The rest of his game is fine and it will come at AFL level once he builds up some VFL form again.
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Agree tigs, usually happens to players who haven't got the pace of the game in their legs, see it happen a bit when players come back from injury underprepared. I recall when merenda came back after a lengthy injury stint, was going to ground all the time and then became habit :( Hopefully its a one off and will gradually get etched out of his game
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How will McBean ever get a game... Seeing as the senior side is stocked for talented talls.?
Chaplin. Hampson. AEdwards.
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McBean aside, the fact that we have Vickey, Griffiths, Elton and McBean all reasonably gifted players under the age of 24? Yet we play Hampson up forward with pissa Aaron Edwards.
Its a disgrace
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After a bag today he needs to be played in the seniors for the rest of the year. :pray
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McBean aside, the fact that we have Vickey, Griffiths, Elton and McBean all reasonably gifted players under the age of 24? Yet we play Hampson up forward with peea Aaron Edwards.
Its a disgrace
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thats exactly my point with the likes of Claw on here.
Its one of the reasons people are fed up with the coach. His too skinny his too raw, bla bla bla.
Look at Joe D. Hardly setting the world on fire but he too is developing because he is playing senior footy.
Ditto Jack Frost etc
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Didn't he only get 4 touches 2 weeks back in the 2's?
Then he gets 15 touches and a goal this week. He is still a work in progress clearly, very up and down.
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kicked 5 today tidyman
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Didn't he only get 4 touches 2 weeks back in the 2's?
Then he gets 15 touches and a goal this week. He is still a work in progress clearly, very up and down.
i raise you vickery, Aaron edwards, Shane Tambling, Hampson.
You like a few others are completely missing the point. We have players who deliver similar stats in the one's consistently so whats the difference?????
Play the kid and give him some game time FFS, and permanently leave the worst player i have ever seen in Angus hampson out of the side.
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Didn't he only get 4 touches 2 weeks back in the 2's?
Then he gets 15 touches and a goal this week. He is still a work in progress clearly, very up and down.
i raise you vickery, Aaron edwards, Shane Tambling, Hampson.
You like a few others are completely missing the point. We have players who deliver similar stats in the one's consistently so whats the difference?????
Play the kid and give him some game time FFS, and permanently leave the worst player i have ever seen in Angus hampson out of the side.
I'm just sayin he is up n down. You would want to be careful who and when you play him. I'd hate to see him smashed by some fullback, drop a key mark in front of 80K and mentally never recover from it.
We have to cull a lot of the aged at the end of the year too.
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Fair enough but a few things
1. We won't be playing in front of 80k this year and possibly next
2. Our season is over
3. He needs game time and we have shitkilda, GWS coming up
What's the worse thing that could happen by playing him.
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Angus, our season has been over for weeks and our brains trust (and I use that term very loosely) has shown no inclination to give kids opportunities this year.
So why would they start now?
Can't have it. It's not our way....sadly
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I agree Angus, against the lower sides, go for it, play him.
You're dead right we wont play against 80K again this year.
St Kilda yes, GWS yes.
Collingwood at the G no. Not that I checked our fixture, do we play them again?
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I agree Angus, against the lower sides, go for it, play him.
You're dead right we wont play against 80K again this year.
St Kilda yes, GWS yes.
Collingwood at the G no. Not that I checked our fixture, do we play them again?
Nope only play Essendon out of the Big 4 twice this year - which is another baffling thing that I'd hope the club is questioning the AFL about but suspect are not. Should play the other 3 twice every year like they all do against each other, regardless of where they finish.
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You like a few others are completely missing the point. We have players who deliver similar stats in the one's consistently so whats the difference?????
The difference being they are getting similar stats in a much, much harder competition. Before you sook though I agree now that the season is shot play the kids no matter what
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You like a few others are completely missing the point. We have players who deliver similar stats in the one's consistently so whats the difference?????
The difference being they are getting similar stats in a much, much harder competition. Before you sook though I agree now that the season is shot play the kids no matter what
D you think it's easier for McBean to play forward with Williams bannfield Darrou passing the ball to him?
Or deledio cotchin Martin ?
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You like a few others are completely missing the point. We have players who deliver similar stats in the one's consistently so whats the difference?????
The difference being they are getting similar stats in a much, much harder competition. Before you sook though I agree now that the season is shot play the kids no matter what
D you think it's easier for McBean to play forward with Williams bannfield Darrou passing the ball to him?
Or deledio cotchin Martin ?
Do you think it's easier for McBean to kick goals on Joe Goose in an open forward line or Harry Taylor in a crowded forward line kicked to him deep in the pocket?
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With Riewoldt maric Vickery griffiths as potential forward line partners. Mcbean would not be getting the no.1 defender / Harry. Taylor. Jack on his own usually attract numerous defenders.
Mcbean would getting the best defender currently. Which would not be light years ahead of the 3rd or 4th senior defender. Mcbean would likely have a size advantage at senior level too.
Coburg in the past have been awful. And at times Richmond VFLa bbit of a rabble. Very often some people play betterat senior level with good pplayers around them. Even given the step up in tempo.
For mine - with mcbean near winning the VFL Coleman medal and still not getting a game behind mcgaune aedwards hampson sums up hardwicks backward mentality
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i still would like to see him play at chb.
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Me too. Mcbean rance Grimes astbury looks the goods
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Grimes hasnt developed as much I as thought he would. He looked very very capable early on but he is an ordinary player IMHO and if we can get a decent trade from a club wanting a potential key defender we should take it.
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You like a few others are completely missing the point. We have players who deliver similar stats in the one's consistently so whats the difference?????
The difference being they are getting similar stats in a much, much harder competition. Before you sook though I agree now that the season is shot play the kids no matter what
D you think it's easier for McBean to play forward with Williams bannfield Darrou passing the ball to him?
Or deledio cotchin Martin ?
Sounds good in theory, but have you seen the delivery into our forward line recently?
Where does this idea that you have to play AFL to develop your game come from?
Have Geelong got it wrong with Kersten?
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Did you watch coburg last year?
Did Geelong get it wrong with Hawkins?
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nice deflection, but it doesn't answer the question, or change it's point.
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I don't think a young forward could have developed in that coburg side, no.
did Geelong get it wrong by playing Hawkins in The ones from that start
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again, nice deflections, but still not addressing the point at hand.
You aiming to get a job as dimma's spin doctor?
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Geelongs list, coaching, and systems (drafting etc) are so far advanced yo cCoburg/Richmond VFL iI believe you analogy is not correct.
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Just my opinion but some blokes, and I think McBean could be one of them, will just rise to the level they are playing in.
He doesn't play that crash and bash type roll he is more like the Gunston type. He seems really smart, has great agility and is a decent kick for goal. Would only need a few chances a game and he would hit the scoreboard.
He would get a match up like a Mackie from Geelong, not a massive man either so I'm confident he would be fine out there.
Just play the kid, he could be the other shining light of the year along side Miles. Cannot be any worse than Petterd or Griffiths.
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so if our list, coaching and system is so poor, how is playing non physically matured kid who is yet to show any real consistency at the lower level, in the seniors the best way to develop his football.
If these thing count against him at the lower level, how do they magically improve and help him at a higher level?
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Just my opinion but some blokes, and I think McBean could be one of them, will just rise to the level they are playing in.
He doesn't play that crash and bash type roll he is more like the Gunston type. He seems really smart, has great agility and is a decent kick for goal. Would only need a few chances a game and he would hit the scoreboard.
He would get a match up like a Mackie from Geelong, not a massive man either so I'm confident he would be fine out there.
Just play the kid, he could be the other shining light of the year along side Miles. Cannot be any worse than Petterd or Griffiths.
Yes some do. To make the call you need a better insight than any of us have looking in from the outside, and even some will surprise you. I'm not saying dont give them a go, but to me this isnt about whether they will do better or worse than those already in the side, but the notion that some have hat the only, or best way to develop someone is to just throw them in the seniors. For a select few, that is the case, but for many, it is not.
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so if our list, coaching and system is so poor, how is playing non physically matured kid who is yet to show any real consistency at the lower level, in the seniors the best way to develop his football.
If these thing count against him at the lower level, how do they magically improve and help him at a higher level?
I think you make a valid point Al, also I recall the club saying that he was very close to getting a game last year so I would imagine given another 2 or 3 good games in the VFL and he gets his chance.
It's taken a bit to get his body right this year and in a few weeks hopefully we can also say that about his form and confidence.
He goes in to the seniors slightly under done and it's probably a set back in his development.
He seems very talented so we want to get this one right.
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so if our list, coaching and system is so poor, how is playing non physically matured kid who is yet to show any real consistency at the lower level, in the seniors the best way to develop his football.
If these thing count against him at the lower level, how do they magically improve and help him at a higher level?
I think you make a valid point Al, also I recall the club saying that he was very close to getting a game last year so I would imagine given another 2 or 3 good games in the VFL and he gets his chance.
It's taken a bit to get his body right this year and in a few weeks hopefully we can also say that about his form and confidence.
He goes in to the seniors slightly under done and it's probably a set back in his development.
He seems very talented so we want to get this one right.
agree with this - give him a few more weeks to make sure he's 100% ready to go after an interrupted preparation and then bring on the beanster.
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some good points on both sides of the debate. all are relevant.
obviously the ideal is to have players perform and develop in the twos. our problem is over the past three or more yrs our set up and in particular structures in the twos have not made for good consistent performances week in week out.besides it may not be form that gets players selected but improvement in certain areas. i know that doesnt sound right i hope people get the gist.
ffs we have one of the poorest midfield groups going around at vfl level imo and it has improved a fair bit this yr. we lack tall defenders so fwds have been played back, how do they impress and force a game if they are out of position. we have tall fwds with no or lousy supply far too often how do they impress.
we have continually either by design or been forced to play so many out of position. sometimes it cant be all about performance.
and finally what also has to be considered is the obvious things like being physically capable of going up. not to mention where we are at overall. by overall i mean for weeks now there has been a real case or need for us to play kids for the experince. just like we did in 10 11 and 12.
if mcbean can play as a gunston type then play him. he certainly cant be played as a contested marking player atm.
finally i dont think playing riewoldt whos slow, and two 200cm plus players as fwds practicable. it wont work. those 2 200cm players must as a priority be able to crash packs and actually take contested marks, if they cant we may as well play smaller quicker more agile blokes who can do the same thing.
will say it one more time we need a gunston type and we need a power fwd not 200cm bean poles so few make it as fwds. atm
playing mcbean atm cant be a bad thing for the club or the player not when we consider our current circumstances. we should be in full on development mode for the rest of the season its just plain old common sense.
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Hardwick and development don't go hand in hand!
Play McBean!
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VIDEO: McBean's 5 goals ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-07/mcbeans-fivegoal-run
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Improving McBean enjoying more influence
John Lindon
July 7, 2014 12:53 PM
Developing Richmond tall forward Liam McBean is enjoying his licence to roam further up the ground, after being dissatisfied with his quieter games since his return from finger surgery.
McBean wanted to have an impact when he wasn’t hitting the scoreboard, and Richmond VFL coach Tim Clarke encouraged the 19-year-old to win the ball outside of the forward 50.
“I was a bit frustrated being left at full forward and couldn’t really get into the game, so it was good to get up the ground and play as a higher forward, work overtime and get my hands on the footy more,” McBean said.
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-07/improving-mcbean-enjoying-more-influence
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The comparison to gunston is prob the best one I've heard, he has a unique skill set for a tall. We won't know until he experiences senior footy what he ll be able to get away with as snaps through traffic will be a bit harder I would have thought
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The comparison to gunston is prob the best one I've heard, he has a unique skill set for a tall. We won't know until he experiences senior footy what he ll be able to get away with as snaps through traffic will be a bit harder I would have thought
Dont like hearing the words snaps and mcbean together
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The comparison to gunston is prob the best one I've heard, he has a unique skill set for a tall. We won't know until he experiences senior footy what he ll be able to get away with as snaps through traffic will be a bit harder I would have thought
Yep. L.Dunn had his measure in the pre season comp. He can expect similar match ups to that in future.
Whilst his skill set at ground level is good for someone of his size he really needs to develop his body strength to take advantage of his height.
Pretty good on the hit up lead but if he can add contested marking to his arsenal he'll become a much more dangerous proposition.
As someone else said Justin Westhoff is his targeted development.
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yep would definitely like to see him add contested marking to his rep and just play taller in general. As it stands he wont be able to snap goals like that very often at afl level and as he gets older and bigger he will lose that agility - don't become a dean putt mkII small man stuck in a big mans body
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With Riewoldt maric Vickery griffiths as potential forward line partners. Mcbean would not be getting the no.1 defender / Harry. Taylor. Jack on his own usually attract numerous defenders.
Mcbean would getting the best defender currently. Which would not be light years ahead of the 3rd or 4th senior defender. Mcbean would likely have a size advantage at senior level too.
Coburg in the past have been awful. And at times Richmond VFLa bbit of a rabble. Very often some people play betterat senior level with good pplayers around them. Even given the step up in tempo.
For mine - with mcbean near winning the VFL Coleman medal and still not getting a game behind mcgaune aedwards hampson sums up hardwicks backward mentality
Harry Taylor is irrelevant fact is he will play on better opponents and won't be our number 1 target like he is at VFL. Plonk Reiwoldt in that VFL side and I bet he'd kick 10 goals even with the VFL hacks kicking it to him
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With Riewoldt maric Vickery griffiths as potential forward line partners. Mcbean would not be getting the no.1 defender / Harry. Taylor. Jack on his own usually attract numerous defenders.
Mcbean would getting the best defender currently. Which would not be light years ahead of the 3rd or 4th senior defender. Mcbean would likely have a size advantage at senior level too.
Coburg in the past have been awful. And at times Richmond VFLa bbit of a rabble. Very often some people play betterat senior level with good pplayers around them. Even given the step up in tempo.
For mine - with mcbean near winning the VFL Coleman medal and still not getting a game behind mcgaune aedwards hampson sums up hardwicks backward mentality
Harry Taylor is irrelevant fact is he will play on better opponents and won't be our number 1 target like he is at VFL. Plonk Reiwoldt in that VFL side and I bet he'd kick 10 goals even with the VFL hacks kicking it to him
Interesting, but I disagree. He wouldn't be kicking 10 with no midfield supply. He'd be just sooking a lot more.
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With Riewoldt maric Vickery griffiths as potential forward line partners. Mcbean would not be getting the no.1 defender / Harry. Taylor. Jack on his own usually attract numerous defenders.
Mcbean would getting the best defender currently. Which would not be light years ahead of the 3rd or 4th senior defender. Mcbean would likely have a size advantage at senior level too.
Coburg in the past have been awful. And at times Richmond VFLa bbit of a rabble. Very often some people play betterat senior level with good pplayers around them. Even given the step up in tempo.
For mine - with mcbean near winning the VFL Coleman medal and still not getting a game behind mcgaune aedwards hampson sums up hardwicks backward mentality
Harry Taylor is irrelevant fact is he will play on better opponents and won't be our number 1 target like he is at VFL. Plonk Reiwoldt in that VFL side and I bet he'd kick 10 goals even with the VFL hacks kicking it to him
Interesting, but I disagree. He wouldn't be kicking 10 with no midfield supply. He'd be just sooking a lot more.
Ball would get in there enough just like it does for McBean
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Richmond Tiger Talk @Richmond_TT twitter:
"In 72 hours we will know whether @liammcbean is playing his first game #candlelit-vigil #mcbeanmania"
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Richmond Tiger Talk @Richmond_TT twitter:
"In 72 hours we will know whether @liammcbean is playing his first game #candlelit-vigil #mcbeanmania"
Get him in the team. I need some Jack and the McBeanstalk action!
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Come on Dimma and give us members and supporters something new in a forgettable year. Play McBean.
Am I right in saying that Lennon and Lloyd are the only debutants for us this year? (AFL first gamers)
The future is bright at Tigerland!!
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yep would definitely like to see him add contested marking to his rep and just play taller in general. As it stands he wont be able to snap goals like that very often at afl level and as he gets older and bigger he will lose that agility - don't become a dean putt mkII small man stuck in a big mans body
the key question is, does he have the capability to play tall. if not delist asap. if so how best to develop it. still think he should be developed as a defender.
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Hardwick said exciting 204cm forward Liam McBean still had work to do before he’d be considered for an AFL debut despite slotting nine goals in the past two VFL games.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-tigers-chasing-lateseason-wins-after-poor-start-to-season/story-fndv8t7m-1226997807816)
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Hardwick said exciting 204cm forward Liam McBean still had work to do before he’d be considered for an AFL debut despite slotting nine goals in the past two VFL games.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-tigers-chasing-lateseason-wins-after-poor-start-to-season/story-fndv8t7m-1226997807816)
Not sure he actually said that. He did say he had things to work on but I don't think he made those things conditional to getting a game.
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Hardwick said exciting 204cm forward Liam McBean still had work to do before he’d be considered for an AFL debut despite slotting nine goals in the past two VFL games.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-tigers-chasing-lateseason-wins-after-poor-start-to-season/story-fndv8t7m-1226997807816)
yep sure does.
Lack of intensity, softness, Selfishness, Lack of gut running, and a mentally weak mind.
Once he satisfies these above requirements he gets a gig.
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Hardwick said exciting 204cm forward Liam McBean still had work to do before he’d be considered for an AFL debut despite slotting nine goals in the past two VFL games.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-tigers-chasing-lateseason-wins-after-poor-start-to-season/story-fndv8t7m-1226997807816)
yep sure does.
Lack of intensity, softness, Selfishness, Lack of gut running, and a mentally weak mind.
Once he satisfies these above requirements he gets a gig.
Bring him in for West Coast! I don't want a McBean less side to beat west coast because then we'll be 'chasing finals' and he definitely won't be getting a go at all.
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He looks like a tall atheltic forward like a Nick Riewolt type.He's a tall boy and has super talent judt needs more size.
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He needs more time. You would have to give him a chance of getting a game though considering how bad the rest of our talls are.
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I expect griff will be tv replacement , Mcbean would have no hope in the ruck giving ivy a chop out
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Mark Williams roughs up young forward Liam McBean at Richmond training today.
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/08/12/1227021/857947-82be6a8c-21d9-11e4-b035-3276a1bc3645.jpg)
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/08/12/1227021/862001-7c0e2b50-21d9-11e4-b035-3276a1bc3645.jpg)
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Picture: Paul Loughnan Source: News Corp Australia
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-players-never-lost-faith-in-playing-finals/story-fndv8t7m-1227021862535
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A whisper that he might be picked for Saturday night's blockbuster..... :shh
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Hope he makes it. He has so much talent just needs to become aggressive and work as hard defensively as he does offensively. Perhaps that is what Chocco is attempting to do with him :huh
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IN for who?
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IN for who?
Not decided yet if he is in and who makes way for him if he is....
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IN for who?
Not decided yet if he is in and who makes way for him if he is....
Probably someone injured that we don't know of yet. Griffiths with his hand maybe.
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A whisper that he might be picked for Saturday night's blockbuster..... :shh
Would be a massive backflip from what the clubs been saying and what we got told at a pre-match function just 2 weeks ago
Doubt very much he will play this year
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My mail is they're taking a forensic look at the side to see how we can get him in, maybe in for Gordon :shh
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A whisper that he might be picked for Saturday night's blockbuster..... :shh
Would be a massive backflip from what the clubs been saying and what we got told at a pre-match function just 2 weeks ago
Doubt very much he will play this year
two weeks is a long time in footy WP
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A whisper that he might be picked for Saturday night's blockbuster..... :shh
Would be a massive backflip from what the clubs been saying and what we got told at a pre-match function just 2 weeks ago
Doubt very much he will play this year
two weeks is a long time in footy WP
True
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My mail is they're taking a forensic look at the side to see how we can get him in, maybe in for Gordon :shh
In so many words Gordon stays in the 22 and McBean plays in the ressies.
Todd Elton played his one and only game in Adelaide 2 years ago.
So did Adam Slater in 1995.
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My mail is they're taking a forensic look at the side to see how we can get him in, maybe in for Gordon :shh
In so many words Gordon stays in the 22 and McBean plays in the ressies.
Todd Elton played his one and only game in Adelaide 2 years ago.
So did Adam Slater in 1995.
Exactly what I was thinking don
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My mail is they're taking a forensic look at the side to see how we can get him in, maybe in for Gordon :shh
In so many words Gordon stays in the 22 and McBean plays in the ressies.
Todd Elton played his one and only game in Adelaide 2 years ago.
So did Adam Slater in 1995.
Gordon would be a bit stiff , played a dreadful first half but a pretty good sec half bobbing up in the right spots and finishing his work too....Mcbean could provide the unexpected although I'd only favour him in the dry ...dunno what the forecast is
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Surely we can fit this guy in. So much heat was on Jack last week. He'd be a good foil.
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I agree, I'd have him in , kicks a couple and it's worked
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Needs to work on his defensive side and gain a little weight.
But a keeper, lots of potential.
:thumbsup
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Needs to build his core strength moreso than his weight at this stage.
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Yep that too.
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Riddle me this. Who is the leading goal kicker in the vfl?
Other clubs are looking at pinching McBean. Would be incompetence in the highest order if we don't give him games and a pay rise
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Riddle me this. Who is the leading goal kicker in the vfl?
Other clubs are looking at pinching McBean. Would be incompetence in the highest order if we don't give him games and a pay rise
its funny not many criticise this bloke at all.
id like to know how many contested marks this bloke has taken this yr or how many strong hard at it aerial contests hes given. hes clearly not ready and if i wanted to bring in a player to kick crumbing type goals it would be lloyd or knights.
we are screaming out for a tall presence a bloke who hits packs takes contested marks presents up and is physical. if we want him to be a kpf ffs develop him as one. if he cant do these things ffs lets find someone who can.
im told hes lazy he doesnt take contested marks and hes selfish. if this is correct play him in defense where he doesnt have a say but be accountable work hard and give a contest.
everyone keeps on telling me we have a player here well i will believe it when he starts to play like a big bloke and he gets a work ethic.
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Riddle me this. Who is the leading goal kicker in the vfl?
Other clubs are looking at pinching McBean. Would be incompetence in the highest order if we don't give him games and a pay rise
its funny not many criticise this bloke at all.
id like to know how many contested marks this bloke has taken this yr or how many strong hard at it aerial contests hes given. hes clearly not ready and if i wanted to bring in a player to kick crumbing type goals it would be lloyd or knights.
we are screaming out for a tall presence a bloke who hits packs takes contested marks presents up and is physical. if we want him to be a kpf ffs develop him as one. if he cant do these things ffs lets find someone who can.
im told hes lazy he doesnt take contested marks and hes selfish. if this is correct play him in defense where he doesnt have a say but be accountable work hard and give a contest.
everyone keeps on telling me we have a player here well i will believe it when he starts to play like a big bloke and he gets a work ethic.
Plays a little like Gunston. Very good on the ground and ok in the air. Just because he is tall doesn't mean he can't play small. Very talented kid.
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Young Tiger McBean stalks a senior call-up
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
August 14, 2014 7:30 PM
RICHMOND forward Liam McBean says he has shed his 'project player' attitude and is ready to make his mark if given the chance to appear at the pointy end of the season.
McBean has been building a strong case in the VFL for a senior debut, kicking 20 goals in the past five matches to lead the goalkicking in the state league with 33.
In talks to remain with the Tigers after two years on the list, the 202cm forward said he was mentally ready to play at the highest level if his form was rewarded.
"Last year when I got drafted I didn't have many expectations to put my hand up to play; I had the mentality of being a project player and taking longer to develop," he told AFL.com.au.
"But after about round 12, 'Choco' (senior development coach Mark Williams) pulled me into his office and said, 'They're thinking of playing you; you better get yourself ready and start believing you're ready to go'.
"Obviously big guys take time, but from that point onwards I really decided I'm not going to be that sort of player.
"I don't want to have that mindset that it doesn't matter if I don't play this year, because I'm as eager as anyone to get out there and pull on the Richmond jumper."
Recruited with pick No.33 in the 2012 NAB AFL Draft, McBean was on the cusp of senior selection last season when he booted 11 goals in two matches, but he was overlooked and suffered a season-ending ankle injury in his next VFL match.
Subsequent surgery restricted him through the pre-season and the 19-year-old's 2014 campaign was interrupted by a finger operation mid-year.
The ankle surgery saw him lose valuable weight, but McBean said he was back to 95kg and aiming to reach 98kg by the end of his next pre-season.
Another key focus has been the defensive side of his game after feedback from coach Damien Hardwick on what was required at AFL level.
"The amount of goals I was kicking was probably the same amount I gave away from not being switched on defensively," he said of his form earlier this season.
"There's been stages this year where I've looked a little bit uncompetitive and I've spoken to 'Dimma' a lot about second and third efforts, just to show that desperation.
"'Dimma' has shown a lot of faith in me, and I've worked a lot on just changing my mindset and being more aware and not letting my defenders run the ball out of the backline."
Contested marking has been the other key focus for McBean, who acknowledged he needed to take more marks in pack situations or bring the ball to ground.
He said he had made an effort to simplify his football, which had been the main reason for his recent good form.
"Sometimes I try to do a little bit too much," McBean said.
"I've spoken to 'Clarkey' (VFL coach Tim Clarke) a few times about trying to keep inside the box.
"There were definitely times when I had shots on goal when I wasn't in the right spot and I'd try to do too much with the ball and wouldn't pick the right targets.
"Now my game is about marks, goals, and applying defensive pressure."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-14/mcbean-stalks-a-callup (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-14/mcbean-stalks-a-callup)
Edit: Cheers hoover. Just added the title.
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Riddle me this. Who is the leading goal kicker in the vfl?
Other clubs are looking at pinching McBean. Would be incompetence in the highest order if we don't give him games and a pay rise
its funny not many criticise this bloke at all.
id like to know how many contested marks this bloke has taken this yr or how many strong hard at it aerial contests hes given. hes clearly not ready and if i wanted to bring in a player to kick crumbing type goals it would be lloyd or knights.
we are screaming out for a tall presence a bloke who hits packs takes contested marks presents up and is physical. if we want him to be a kpf ffs develop him as one. if he cant do these things ffs lets find someone who can.
im told hes lazy he doesnt take contested marks and hes selfish. if this is correct play him in defense where he doesnt have a say but be accountable work hard and give a contest.
everyone keeps on telling me we have a player here well i will believe it when he starts to play like a big bloke and he gets a work ethic.
Plays a little like Gunston. Very good on the ground and ok in the air. Just because he is tall doesn't mean he can't play small. Very talented kid.
Yeah but with his considerable height(205cm stuff me) as he gets older he will thicken up and there is no way he will stay as agile, losing his main strength as a player. Must develop into a strong marking tall or he will struggle long term imo. Besides, he wont be allowed to get away with crumbing goals at afl the way he does at vfl. Have noticed he is starting to play taller and take more contested marks which is good to see.
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Riddle me this. Who is the leading goal kicker in the vfl?
Other clubs are looking at pinching McBean. Would be incompetence in the highest order if we don't give him games and a pay rise
its funny not many criticise this bloke at all.
erm, its not funny at all.
He was a top five draft pick. and yet in his second season is leading the vfl coleman equivalent
id like to know how many contested marks this bloke has taken this yr or how many strong hard at it aerial contests hes given.
Its been widley documented that this is a weakness.
And yet, you have made not one comment in this post about his strong attributes...
hes clearly not ready and if i wanted to bring in a player to kick crumbing type goals it would be lloyd or knights.
not the leading goal kicker in the victorian football league?
we are screaming out for a tall presence a bloke who hits packs takes contested marks presents up and is physical. if we want him to be a kpf ffs develop him as one. if he cant do these things ffs lets find someone who can.
Yes sorry i briefly forgot riewoldt vickery griffiths are all rubbish thank you
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He was smashed when he played against Frawley in the preseason. He just needs to learn to develop his game to be more than crumbing goals. If he can pressure and create goals for his team mates as much as for himself and take a pack mark he will be a fantastic for us in the future.
If we lose this week he'll play the week after
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i get the feeling he will play better with deledio martin cotchin reiwoldt vlastuin etc. than without
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It's funny, Dimma didn't think Miles was ready either. It took him till about halfway through the year to realise the kid wasn't going away. In the end Miles made Dimma look stupid.
Give McBean a go and stop being a stubborn hole! Would the world really fallen down around us all if we gave him a taste?? :banghead
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It's funny, Dimma didn't think Miles was ready either. It took him till about halfway through the year to realise the kid wasn't going away. In the end Miles made Dimma look stupid.
Give McBean a go and stop being a stubborn hole! Would the world really fallen down around us all if we gave him a taste?? :banghead
Everyone who saw Miles play knew he was ready. Every time I've seen McBean play live he hasn't chased, crashed packed or pressured the player. I never saw Miles being screamed at by his team mates from the bench to run and chase. Until he changes this side of his game then he will just continue to look good on the VFL highlights video. Don't get me wrong I think he will make it and he may surprize me if he plays this year but I don't want another forward who only runs one way and is self absorbed.
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Agreed Stripes.
I think The Craw is on some pretty crazy drugs to be thinking a 19 year old 202cm 90kg forward is going to be crashing packs against grown men.
He is more likely to be bouncing off those packs than crashing them :lol
This is why posters wonder about your angle Craw.
It sounds like they want the String Beaner in the team on their terms not his.
Once he shows he can do those team things consistently well, he gets a game.
Seems reasonable.
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He is a tantalising talent for sure but at this stage, he is not ready for senior footy. Playing at 98kg next year and working hard on chasing, contested marking, etc next year seems more likely.
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Was always a long term prospect when drafted but has come on quicker in some areas than others, once he gets it altogether I am sure he will be a valuable addition.
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It's funny, Dimma didn't think Miles was ready either. It took him till about halfway through the year to realise the kid wasn't going away. In the end Miles made Dimma look stupid.
Give McBean a go and stop being a stubborn hole! Would the world really fallen down around us all if we gave him a taste?? :banghead
Everyone who saw Miles play knew he was ready. Every time I've seen McBean play live he hasn't chased, crashed packed or pressured the player. I never saw Miles being screamed at by his team mates from the bench to run and chase. Until he changes this side of his game then he will just continue to look good on the VFL highlights video. Don't get me wrong I think he will make it and he may surprize me if he plays this year but I don't want another forward who only runs one way and is self absorbed.
You say everybody new Miles was ready to play, but the simple fact is Dimma didn't..why did it take him half the season to play him? Cold hard facts is he got that one wrong.
With McBean I keep reading he doesn't crash packs, just because you are 200cm tall doesn't mean you are going to be that type of player. He leads at the ball carrier and takes a good mark out in front. And kicks the footy well. He is not going to get 20 touches but I'll bet the ones he does get are going to count. Same as Lennon, both just need to be playing.
Sure they need some work but every player does. Why can't they learn what's required by playing at the level?
IMO as a tall KPF McBean has done his job in the last 4 weeks at VFL level by kicking goals.
Would anyone really care if Gordon went out and this kid got his first game?
Play him deep in the forwardline instead of this crap of everyone in the backhalf of the ground with no one to kick to when we do win the footy, and let see what the kids got.
The kids has some tricks!!
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You say everybody new Miles was ready to play, but the simple fact is Dimma didn't..why did it take him half the season to play him? Cold hard facts is he got that one wrong.
In retrospect Dimma definitely did. At the time though he went for the proven player. He elevated Thomas and the Big O for insurance. There wasn't a place left open on the list. So they had to wait until there was. It did become embarrassing when Miles was clearly outplaying players in our side for many weeks.
With McBean I keep reading he doesn't crash packs, just because you are 200cm tall doesn't mean you are going to be that type of player. He leads at the ball carrier and takes a good mark out in front. And kicks the footy well. He is not going to get 20 touches but I'll bet the ones he does get are going to count. Same as Lennon, both just need to be playing.
Sure they need some work but every player does. Why can't they learn what's required by playing at the level?
When we don't have any chance of making finals then they will allow him the chance to learn and make mistakes at AFL level but until then there are players, who he would need to replace, who are playing a more team orientated game than he does at present
IMO as a tall KPF McBean has done his job in the last 4 weeks at VFL level by kicking goals.
Would anyone really care if Gordon went out and this kid got his first game?
Play him deep in the forwardline instead of this crap of everyone in the backhalf of the ground with no one to kick to when we do win the footy, and let see what the kids got.
The kids has some tricks!!
He kicks goals himself but doesn't stop or create goals for others. At present the slight on him isn't necessarily that he doesn't crash packs (though that does bring the ball to ground and creates crumbing goals or a stoppage at the least) but more that he doesn't defend his immediate player. Too much ball is flying out of defense through his player and he doesn't zone well either which again is all about development.
The club also questions his diet and the fact he doesn't seem to putting on the desired weight because he is eating the wrong foods and not pushing himself in the gym.
Seems to all add up to a lack of effort at the moment if you ask me. If you reward players before they really fight and earn their spot through hard work and improving their identified deficiencies, then they never improve to the level the club wants them too.
Being a forward doesn't mean just kicking goals now days otherwise Jack would be still kicking 5+ and we would be scoring 7+ as a team and losing. McBean needs to create goals through his team play and then he'll be called up.
I hope that's soon :thumbsup
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Riddle me this. Who is the leading goal kicker in the vfl?
Other clubs are looking at pinching McBean. Would be incompetence in the highest order if we don't give him games and a pay rise
its funny not many criticise this bloke at all.
1/ erm, its not funny at all.
He was a top five draft pick. and yet in his second season is leading the vfl coleman equivalent
id like to know how many contested marks this bloke has taken this yr or how many strong hard at it aerial contests hes given.
2/ Its been widley documented that this is a weakness.
And yet, you have made not one comment in this post about his strong attributes...
hes clearly not ready and if i wanted to bring in a player to kick crumbing type goals it would be lloyd or knights.
3/ not the leading goal kicker in the victorian football league?
we are screaming out for a tall presence a bloke who hits packs takes contested marks presents up and is physical. if we want him to be a kpf ffs develop him as one. if he cant do these things ffs lets find someone who can.
4/ Yes sorry i briefly forgot riewoldt vickery griffiths are all rubbish thank you
1/it is funny you have the blinkers on.whats even funnier is you think hes a top 5 pick. try pick 33. as for kicking a few goals in the vfl cmon do you really think he will make it at afl level as a crumbing fwd that is hilarious.
2/ what strong afl attributes does he have. i have said in other threads what few attributes he has wont translate to afl unless he learns to play tall. hes no buddy franklin and hes no jack gunston.
3/ as i said in the previous answer, what attributes. he can kick as many crumbing goals as he likes in the vfl they mean jack poo. he wont get those easy goals at afl and those type of goals will remain worthless until he starts getting em in a way that will translate to afl. ffs you want to bring him in for who vickeryy what role is that uber dud expected to perform.
4/ na your wrong so far griffiths and vickery have been rubbish. if you think ive criticised riewoldt then your wrong once again.
fair dinkum if was looking to play crumbing fwds id be giving youir mcdonough lennons, lloyds knights a game.
people need to get real here and wake up. if this bloke cant play tall he wont malke it at the next level.
gunna be real interesting down the track with him especially when the club thinks hes going to become a #1 ruckman. as usual not only the supporters kid em selves but the club even more.
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You say everybody new Miles was ready to play, but the simple fact is Dimma didn't..why did it take him half the season to play him? Cold hard facts is he got that one wrong.
In retrospect Dimma definitely did. At the time though he went for the proven player. He elevated Thomas and the Big O for insurance. There wasn't a place left open on the list. So they had to wait until there was. It did become embarrassing when Miles was clearly outplaying players in our side for many weeks.
With McBean I keep reading he doesn't crash packs, just because you are 200cm tall doesn't mean you are going to be that type of player. He leads at the ball carrier and takes a good mark out in front. And kicks the footy well. He is not going to get 20 touches but I'll bet the ones he does get are going to count. Same as Lennon, both just need to be playing.
Sure they need some work but every player does. Why can't they learn what's required by playing at the level?
When we don't have any chance of making finals then they will allow him the chance to learn and make mistakes at AFL level but until then there are players, who he would need to replace, who are playing a more team orientated game than he does at present
IMO as a tall KPF McBean has done his job in the last 4 weeks at VFL level by kicking goals.
Would anyone really care if Gordon went out and this kid got his first game?
Play him deep in the forwardline instead of this crap of everyone in the backhalf of the ground with no one to kick to when we do win the footy, and let see what the kids got.
The kids has some tricks!!
He kicks goals himself but doesn't stop or create goals for others. At present the slight on him isn't necessarily that he doesn't crash packs (though that does bring the ball to ground and creates crumbing goals or a stoppage at the least) but more that he doesn't defend his immediate player. Too much ball is flying out of defense through his player and he doesn't zone well either which again is all about development.
The club also questions his diet and the fact he doesn't seem to putting on the desired weight because he is eating the wrong foods and not pushing himself in the gym.
Seems to all add up to a lack of effort at the moment if you ask me. If you reward players before they really fight and earn their spot through hard work and improving their identified deficiencies, then they never improve to the level the club wants them too.
Being a forward doesn't mean just kicking goals now days otherwise Jack would be still kicking 5+ and we would be scoring 7+ as a team and losing. McBean needs to create goals through his team play and then he'll be called up.
I hope that's soon :thumbsup
Stripes, they took 2 or 3 weeks to elevate Miles after King went onto the LTI list. And a further 2 or 3 weeks to play him once they had. Dimma and his coaching head nodders got that horribly wrong. No one can defend that. Forget all that crap about who was or wasn't on the rookie list, Dimma had options before he did anything about it. Even the idiots in the Media were asking the question.
My point is don't take everything you hear from the club as gospel. The facts are they make more mistakes then they get right. Take a look at our last 30 years. I think Fitzroy have played in more finals than us in that time and they have been gone for half of it.
As a supporter who really gives a sh-t what McBean eats??? I don't! If he is kicking goals and working on some things than just play him when he has earned it.
The sad thing about this year is we have been pathetic, and we are one lose away from it all being over if it's not already, BUT almost as bad as we have been we have only debut 1 kid and 1 twenty two year old. I would be guessing but I would imagine that would be the least in the AFL. Dimma has a problem and it needs addressing. Kids need to be drafted and played and moved on if need be.
How many chances has Griffiths been give this year? How many goals does he kick in the twos when he goes back! Why the hell you wouldn't give McBean a game is beyond me. At the end of the day it's 1 spot in 22. Hardly earth shattering stuff. It's footy, what's the worst that can happen.
Anyway I know I'm bagging my head against a wall but that's just my opinion. :thumbsup
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There's no questions with regard to his diet, he has put on 10 kg since being drafted, no one would have exceeded that. He will easily achieve 3 more kg. more contested work is required if he is cut the mustard at senior level. That said, he should be given a taste , he s done enough
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As a supporter who really gives a sh-t what McBean eats??? I don't! If he is kicking goals and working on some things than just play him when he has earned it.
I don't care what he eats as long as he gains size and strength to help him play better and win us more games. At the moment though, according to some of our players, he isn't which is one of the reasons he's not getting a game.
The sad thing about this year is we have been pathetic, and we are one lose away from it all being over if it's not already, BUT almost as bad as we have been we have only debut 1 kid and 1 twenty two year old. I would be guessing but I would imagine that would be the least in the AFL. Dimma has a problem and it needs addressing. Kids need to be drafted and played and moved on if need be.
We have played our first three picks this year plus three rookie upgrades. We have also played McDonough, McIntosh, O'Hanalon, Arnot, Dea and I'm sure there more too. That's 6 from the last draft (well 5 if you exclude Big O) plus plenty from the last two drafts.
How many chances has Griffiths been give this year? How many goals does he kick in the twos when he goes back! Why the hell you wouldn't give McBean a game is beyond me. At the end of the day it's 1 spot in 22. Hardly earth shattering stuff. It's footy, what's the worst that can happen.
Griffiths is a leaping ruckman with a massive kick and strong contested mark. We need a backup ruckman who can take a pack mark more than a tall crumbing forward who is unaccountable. Griffiths did get plenty of opportunities but that was more because we desperately needed his backup ruckman capabilities particularly when Vickery lost form.
Anyway I know I'm bagging my head against a wall but that's just my opinion. :thumbsup
Bang away bt ;D I just can't see a spot for McBean at the moment unless he can improve his defensive and start taking some contested marks. I would love to see him get a game this year but while we are still a chance for finals there just isn't a spot.... imo :thumbsup :P
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There's no questions with regard to his diet, he has put on 10 kg since being drafted, no one would have exceeded that. He will easily achieve 3 more kg. more contested work is required if he is cut the mustard at senior level. That said, he should be given a taste , he s done enough
you know what i agree. there is no harm in giving him a game. just for the experience and to find out what is required.
but put yourself in their shoes, given they are chasing finals and are very much in the now can you blame em if they dont.
my gripe is what role do we play mcbean in, if we give him a few games. no way can we expect him to perform a tall role so he cant replace a vickery or griffiths and imo there are far better smaller options who also need games.
what message are we going to send to liam. yepp we will give you a game based on a crumbing game. or no mate your kicking goals atm but we need you to perform a different role, a role that will see you succeeed at this level.
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There's no questions with regard to his diet, he has put on 10 kg since being drafted, no one would have exceeded that. He will easily achieve 3 more kg. more contested work is required if he is cut the mustard at senior level. That said, he should be given a taste , he s done enough
you know what i agree. there is no harm in giving him a game. just for the experience and to find out what is required.
but put yourself in their shoes, given they are chasing finals and are very much in the now can you blame em if they dont.
my gripe is what role do we play mcbean in, if we give him a few games. no way can we expect him to perform a tall role so he cant replace a vickery or griffiths and imo there are far better smaller options who also need games.
what message are we going to send to liam. yepp we will give you a game based on a crumbing game. or no mate your kicking goals atm but we need you to perform a different role, a role that will see you succeeed at this level.
Currently he is playing the crumbing game better than anyone in the seconds. He is on top of the goal kickers with a crumbing game. Why do you say there are better options if they haven't actually kicked the goals????????
Just because he is tall doesn't mean he has to play that way.....Sheeeeeeshhhhh!!!!
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There's no questions with regard to his diet, he has put on 10 kg since being drafted, no one would have exceeded that. He will easily achieve 3 more kg. more contested work is required if he is cut the mustard at senior level. That said, he should be given a taste , he s done enough
you know what i agree. there is no harm in giving him a game. just for the experience and to find out what is required.
but put yourself in their shoes, given they are chasing finals and are very much in the now can you blame em if they dont.
my gripe is what role do we play mcbean in, if we give him a few games. no way can we expect him to perform a tall role so he cant replace a vickery or griffiths and imo there are far better smaller options who also need games.
what message are we going to send to liam. yepp we will give you a game based on a crumbing game. or no mate your kicking goals atm but we need you to perform a different role, a role that will see you succeeed at this level.
Just because he is tall doesn't mean he has to play that way.....Sheeeeeeshhhhh!!!!
ffs are you freakin think or dislexsic or something. IMO HE WONT MAKE IT AT AFL UNLESS HE CAN BECOME A TALL PLAYER. IM SAYING HIS CRUMBING GAME WONT TRANSLATE TO AFL. THE CLUB OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE GOOD SENSE TO THINK THE SAME WAY.
PLAY HIM ATM AND I RECKON HE WILL GET CHEWED UP AND SPAT OUT AS A SNACK.
TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
1/ HOW MANY 200CM PLUS PLAYERS HAVE BECOME GOOD PERMANENT KPFS.
2/ HOW MANY MAKLE A LIVILIHOOD AT AFL LEVEL AS CRUMBERS WHO CANT PLAY TALL.
ANSWER THAT HONESTLY AND YOU MAY ACTUALLY WAKE UP.
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As a supporter who really gives a sh-t what McBean eats??? I don't! If he is kicking goals and working on some things than just play him when he has earned it.
I don't care what he eats as long as he gains size and strength to help him play better and win us more games. At the moment though, according to some of our players, he isn't which is one of the reasons he's not getting a game.
The sad thing about this year is we have been pathetic, and we are one lose away from it all being over if it's not already, BUT almost as bad as we have been we have only debut 1 kid and 1 twenty two year old. I would be guessing but I would imagine that would be the least in the AFL. Dimma has a problem and it needs addressing. Kids need to be drafted and played and moved on if need be.
We have played our first three picks this year plus three rookie upgrades. We have also played McDonough, McIntosh, O'Hanalon, Arnot, Dea and I'm sure there more too. That's 6 from the last draft (well 5 if you exclude Big O) plus plenty from the last two drafts.
How many chances has Griffiths been give this year? How many goals does he kick in the twos when he goes back! Why the hell you wouldn't give McBean a game is beyond me. At the end of the day it's 1 spot in 22. Hardly earth shattering stuff. It's footy, what's the worst that can happen.
Griffiths is a leaping ruckman with a massive kick and strong contested mark. We need a backup ruckman who can take a pack mark more than a tall crumbing forward who is unaccountable. Griffiths did get plenty of opportunities but that was more because we desperately needed his backup ruckman capabilities particularly when Vickery lost form.
Anyway I know I'm bagging my head against a wall but that's just my opinion. :thumbsup
Bang away bt ;D I just can't see a spot for McBean at the moment unless he can improve his defensive and start taking some contested marks. I would love to see him get a game this year but while we are still a chance for finals there just isn't a spot.... imo :thumbsup :P
Lennon and Lloyd are the only ones to debut into the AFL this year.
McDonough is the only 2nd year player of your list.
Gordon has been in the system for 4 years.
McIntosh hasn't played.
O'Hannlon and Arnot are in their 3rd year and Dea is in his 5th
Even the rockies have all played AFL before.
So I'm a little confused at what your point was? Mine was we have only debut 2 players to the AFL.
Also you say McBean is not putting on weight due to his diet but once again that's not right either, 10KGs in a couple of seasons with some injuries thrown in there is massive for a young kid.
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There's no questions with regard to his diet, he has put on 10 kg since being drafted, no one would have exceeded that. He will easily achieve 3 more kg. more contested work is required if he is cut the mustard at senior level. That said, he should be given a taste , he s done enough
you know what i agree. there is no harm in giving him a game. just for the experience and to find out what is required.
but put yourself in their shoes, given they are chasing finals and are very much in the now can you blame em if they dont.
my gripe is what role do we play mcbean in, if we give him a few games. no way can we expect him to perform a tall role so he cant replace a vickery or griffiths and imo there are far better smaller options who also need games.
what message are we going to send to liam. yepp we will give you a game based on a crumbing game. or no mate your kicking goals atm but we need you to perform a different role, a role that will see you succeeed at this level.
Just because he is tall doesn't mean he has to play that way.....Sheeeeeeshhhhh!!!!
ffs are you freakin think or dislexsic or something. IMO HE WONT MAKE IT AT AFL UNLESS HE CAN BECOME A TALL PLAYER. IM SAYING HIS CRUMBING GAME WONT TRANSLATE TO AFL. THE CLUB OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE GOOD SENSE TO THINK THE SAME WAY.
PLAY HIM ATM AND I RECKON HE WILL GET CHEWED UP AND SPAT OUT AS A SNACK.
TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
1/ HOW MANY 200CM PLUS PLAYERS HAVE BECOME GOOD PERMANENT KPFS.
2/ HOW MANY MAKLE A LIVILIHOOD AT AFL LEVEL AS CRUMBERS WHO CANT PLAY TALL.
ANSWER THAT HONESTLY AND YOU MAY ACTUALLY WAKE UP.
Why can't he play that leading/hit up forward? Forget his size for a second. He is quick, moves well, takes a nice grab on the lead and kicks it well. With a bonus that he is good below his knees, would be a tough match up and even more so he thinks his way through things. He knows he cannot bustle and crash packs at his current size so he doesn't... He is a better option than O'Hanlon and has done more at VFL level and O'Hanlon has been given an opportunity. He is also a natural forward which sometimes gets lost in this. He knows where and when to lead. It sounds simple but it's a skill just as much as kicking and marking.
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There's no questions with regard to his diet, he has put on 10 kg since being drafted, no one would have exceeded that. He will easily achieve 3 more kg. more contested work is required if he is cut the mustard at senior level. That said, he should be given a taste , he s done enough
you know what i agree. there is no harm in giving him a game. just for the experience and to find out what is required.
but put yourself in their shoes, given they are chasing finals and are very much in the now can you blame em if they dont.
my gripe is what role do we play mcbean in, if we give him a few games. no way can we expect him to perform a tall role so he cant replace a vickery or griffiths and imo there are far better smaller options who also need games.
what message are we going to send to liam. yepp we will give you a game based on a crumbing game. or no mate your kicking goals atm but we need you to perform a different role, a role that will see you succeeed at this level.
Just because he is tall doesn't mean he has to play that way.....Sheeeeeeshhhhh!!!!
ffs are you freakin think or dislexsic or something. IMO HE WONT MAKE IT AT AFL UNLESS HE CAN BECOME A TALL PLAYER. IM SAYING HIS CRUMBING GAME WONT TRANSLATE TO AFL. THE CLUB OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE GOOD SENSE TO THINK THE SAME WAY.
PLAY HIM ATM AND I RECKON HE WILL GET CHEWED UP AND SPAT OUT AS A SNACK.
TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
1/ HOW MANY 200CM PLUS PLAYERS HAVE BECOME GOOD PERMANENT KPFS.
2/ HOW MANY MAKLE A LIVILIHOOD AT AFL LEVEL AS CRUMBERS WHO CANT PLAY TALL.
ANSWER THAT HONESTLY AND YOU MAY ACTUALLY WAKE UP.
You made a statement that has little substance and I disagreed.
I'll tell you that there have been few players of his height that have ever had his agility. As such, he can play the crumbing forward very well. The evidence is that he is kicking lots of goals that way. He does play a little taller as he can take the occasional grab too. Sure he is not a pack mark kind of player.
This makes him dangerous and difficult to match. Put a tall player to stop the one out mark and they can't handle his agility. Put a small player on him and he will out mark him more often than not.
You cannot generalise as he is a unique type of player. His main problem is injuries may eventually ruin his agility. Until then he will be a huge headache for an opposition.
How you can say with certainty that his crumbing game will never translate into the AFL, I don't know. Sure you MIGHT be right but the guy is putting the runs on the board by kicking goals. He can't do more than that!!!!
I hope he makes it, not only for our sake, but also to stick it up you! I say that because if someone disagrees with you you get angry and start capitalising your responses. Just learn to be more measured and calm. You actually might gain a little more respect from people that way.
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tone your post is a good one and i will get to it but mate im going out and dont have the time to answer.
There's no questions with regard to his diet, he has put on 10 kg since being drafted, no one would have exceeded that. He will easily achieve 3 more kg. more contested work is required if he is cut the mustard at senior level. That said, he should be given a taste , he s done enough
you know what i agree. there is no harm in giving him a game. just for the experience and to find out what is required.
but put yourself in their shoes, given they are chasing finals and are very much in the now can you blame em if they dont.
my gripe is what role do we play mcbean in, if we give him a few games. no way can we expect him to perform a tall role so he cant replace a vickery or griffiths and imo there are far better smaller options who also need games.
what message are we going to send to liam. yepp we will give you a game based on a crumbing game. or no mate your kicking goals atm but we need you to perform a different role, a role that will see you succeeed at this level.
Just because he is tall doesn't mean he has to play that way.....Sheeeeeeshhhhh!!!!
ffs are you freakin think or dislexsic or something. IMO HE WONT MAKE IT AT AFL UNLESS HE CAN BECOME A TALL PLAYER. IM SAYING HIS CRUMBING GAME WONT TRANSLATE TO AFL. THE CLUB OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE GOOD SENSE TO THINK THE SAME WAY.
PLAY HIM ATM AND I RECKON HE WILL GET CHEWED UP AND SPAT OUT AS A SNACK.
TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
1/ HOW MANY 200CM PLUS PLAYERS HAVE BECOME GOOD PERMANENT KPFS.
2/ HOW MANY MAKLE A LIVILIHOOD AT AFL LEVEL AS CRUMBERS WHO CANT PLAY TALL.
ANSWER THAT HONESTLY AND YOU MAY ACTUALLY WAKE UP.
You made a statement that has little substance and I disagreed.
I'll tell you that there have been few players of his height that have ever had his agility. As such, he can play the crumbing forward very well. The evidence is that he is kicking lots of goals that way. He does play a little taller as he can take the occasional grab too. Sure he is not a pack mark kind of player.
This makes him dangerous and difficult to match. Put a tall player to stop the one out mark and they can't handle his agility. Put a small player on him and he will out mark him more often than not.
You cannot generalise as he is a unique type of player. His main problem is injuries may eventually ruin his agility. Until then he will be a huge headache for an opposition.
How you can say with certainty that his crumbing game will never translate into the AFL, I don't know. Sure you MIGHT be right but the guy is putting the runs on the board by kicking goals. He can't do more than that!!!!
I hope he makes it, not only for our sake, but also to stick it up you! I say that because if someone disagrees with you you get angry and start capitalising your responses. Just learn to be more measured and calm. You actually might gain a little more respect from people that way.
fine cant be bothered or have the time to argue. needless to say one of of us will be seen to be right in about 3 or 4 yrs time. i will state now if he cant play tall we may as well delist the bloke right now.
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Its a fine line.....
Do we play him early to give him a taste of whats required & fast track his development?
Do we wait until hes a consistant player in the reserves?
Do we ease him into senior footy gradually?
Some young players arent seen until theyve played 3-4 years at reserves level whilst some are thrown right in like Joe Daniher.
Its not an easy answer. Geelong are grooming their youngsters until they are ready to play a role & from time to time they give them a taste when the kid is ready but its a juggling act as is shown in playing Kersten at the minute., is he ready? But they need another forward.
The facts are that some players can and will take the oppurtunity and grow quickly whilst some just cant handle it too soon.
At Richmond it seems, when it comes to the kids, the coaching staff want to make it hard for them to play senior footy. They want it to be a high acheivement at the club to be called upon for senior footy which is a good thing. Its also good that they are unmoved by popular opinion and the frenzy of expectation that can ruin a youngster regularly performing in the twos (see plapp).
I certainly would rather McBean played ahead of "Lockup" Edwards but wouldnt play him ahead of Griffiths as yet.
Im pleased that the club has raised the standards for senior selection but i truly hope that a kid like McBean will develop into a great 200+ gamer too. Lets hope they finally know what they are doing, God knows we have all been waiting for good development at punt road for a long long time.
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TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
1/ HOW MANY 200CM PLUS PLAYERS HAVE BECOME GOOD PERMANENT KPFS.
Out of curiosity who are the players you rate as good 200cm+ permanent KPF's?
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Bean has been taking more marks recently. This area will improve further as he gains size and confidence.
For a man of his size He moves stupidly well and has beautiful skills.
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Riddle me this. Who is the leading goal kicker in the vfl?
Other clubs are looking at pinching McBean. Would be incompetence in the highest order if we don't give him games and a pay rise
its funny not many criticise this bloke at all.
1/ erm, its not funny at all.
He was a top five draft pick. and yet in his second season is leading the vfl coleman equivalent
id like to know how many contested marks this bloke has taken this yr or how many strong hard at it aerial contests hes given.
2/ Its been widley documented that this is a weakness.
And yet, you have made not one comment in this post about his strong attributes...
hes clearly not ready and if i wanted to bring in a player to kick crumbing type goals it would be lloyd or knights.
3/ not the leading goal kicker in the victorian football league?
we are screaming out for a tall presence a bloke who hits packs takes contested marks presents up and is physical. if we want him to be a kpf ffs develop him as one. if he cant do these things ffs lets find someone who can.
4/ Yes sorry i briefly forgot riewoldt vickery griffiths are all rubbish thank you
1/it is funny you have the blinkers on.whats even funnier is you think hes a top 5 pick. try pick 33. as for kicking a few goals in the vfl cmon do you really think he will make it at afl level as a crumbing fwd that is hilarious.
2/ what strong afl attributes does he have. i have said in other threads what few attributes he has wont translate to afl unless he learns to play tall. hes no buddy franklin and hes no jack gunston.
3/ as i said in the previous answer, what attributes. he can kick as many crumbing goals as he likes in the vfl they mean jack poo. he wont get those easy goals at afl and those type of goals will remain worthless until he starts getting em in a way that will translate to afl. ffs you want to bring him in for who vickeryy what role is that uber dud expected to perform.
4/ na your wrong so far griffiths and vickery have been rubbish. if you think ive criticised riewoldt then your wrong once again.
fair dinkum if was looking to play crumbing fwds id be giving youir mcdonough lennons, lloyds knights a game.
people need to get real here and wake up. if this bloke cant play tall he wont malke it at the next level.
gunna be real interesting down the track with him especially when the club thinks hes going to become a #1 ruckman. as usual not only the supporters kid em selves but the club even more.
What I mean he was- bean was NOT a high draft pick. And yet in his 2nd season of being in the system, be has kicked the most goals, in The vfl. And i believe being going down with. Injury news I a. Similar position last season won the vfl goal kickers leaders. I believe McBean will make it at afl level as a combination of a crumbling playr, a leading/mark player, and a contested mark player down the track.
If you cannot see what good attributes beanDog has, I don't think I can help u
I would argue if you can be the leading goal kicker two season running the in vfl you can kick the odd goal at a Higher level. More so with a better quality of mid giving you the ball. And forward line partners like jack lids cotch, McBean would have a lot less attention.
To conclude Griffiths and Vickery are not rubbish. McBean has the ability to mark it, even if he doesn't take a mountain of contested marks in his first few games
Only six player in the afl average more than two contested marks a game. Jeremy McGovern being first with 2.5
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2013 AFL League Contested Marks Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank Player Team Games Average
1 Travis Cloke Collingwood 22 2.6
2 Levi Casboult Carlton 11 2.3
3 Thomas Lynch Gold Coast 8 2.2
4 Jarrad Waite Carlton 14 2.2
5 Mike Pyke Sydney 25 2.1
6 Shaun Hampson Carlton 6 2.0
7 Lachlan Henderson Carlton 24 2.0
8 Liam Jones Western Bulldogs 19 1.8
9 Kurt Tippett Sydney 12 1.8
9 Tom Campbell Western Bulldogs 6 1.8
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2014 AFL League Contested Marks Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank Player Team Games Contested Marks for Last Game Average
1 Jeremy McGovern West Coast 10 1 v Collingwood, Round 20 2.5
2 Max Gawn Melbourne 6 4 v Hawthorn, Round 20 2.3
3 Jarrad Waite Carlton 14 3 v Geelong, Round 21 2.3
4 Tom Hawkins Geelong 20 0 v Carlton, Round 21 2.2
5 Ben McEvoy Hawthorn 11 2 v Melbourne, Round 20 2.1
6 Thomas Lynch Gold Coast 19 1 v Carlton, Round 20 2.0
6 Drew Petrie North Melbourne 19 5 v GWS, Round 20 2.0
8 Jake Carlisle Essendon 18 2 v Richmond, Round 20 1.9
8 Levi Casboult Carlton 17 3 v Geelong, Round 21 1.9
10 Jay Schulz Port Adelaide 19 2 v Sydney, Round 20 1.9
11 Rhys Stanley St Kilda 16 1 v Western Bulldogs, Round 20 1.9
12 Aaron Sandilands Fremantle 18 1 v Geelong, Round 20 1.8
13 Benjamin Griffiths Richmond 12 2 v Essendon, Round 20 1.8
Hmmmm.
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Play this stuffin guy hardwick you imbecile
No one can tell me he is more or less raw than Ben Brown or Joey D
It's the refusal to get games into these types of guy that makes me convinced Hardwick just coaches for finals so he can feel proud
Loser mentality he continues to install on the RFC
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Last thing I want is someone who wont apply defensive pressure after the weekends performance
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Last thing I want is someone who wont apply defensive pressure after the weekends performance
You think Brown and Joey D applied a lot of pressure do you before they were selected. Joey D in particular was virtually thrown into the seniors and is growing in stature as he plays more games.
Tim Clarke hasn't got a clue about developing talent.
Play the kid get 50 games in him and go from there.
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Last thing I want is someone who wont apply defensive pressure after the weekends performance
You think Brown and Joey D applied a lot of pressure do you before they were selected. Joey D in particular was virtually thrown into the seniors and is growing in stature as he plays more games.
Tim Clarke hasn't got a clue about developing talent.
Play the kid get 50 games in him and go from there.
Agreed.
Most of the crop of 2010 were thrown into the deep end in an attempt to fast track their development. None of them were expected to have defensive skills only learnt in the seconds. We need to fast track Lennon and McBean and even McKintosh and whoever else we recruit.
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Geelong does this all the time.
Burbury, Duncan, Guthrie, Blicavs, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch, Thurlow, Walker, Kersten.
You need senior players to protect them and show them the way. They won't get that in the VFL.
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Well I enjoyed watching bean at senior level last couple years
Thank you Damien.
At least we got some games into aaedwards mcgaune hampson often
Vital corner stones of the clubs future
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Geelong does this all the time.
Burbury, Duncan, Guthrie, Blicavs, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch, Thurlow, Walker, Kersten.
You need senior players to protect them and show them the way. They won't get that in the VFL.
Aha that makes sense then and is why we must have kept newman on
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Geelong does this all the time.
Burbury, Duncan, Guthrie, Blicavs, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch, Thurlow, Walker, Kersten.
You need senior players to protect them and show them the way. They won't get that in the VFL.
Aha that makes sense then and is why we must have kept newman on
You know what I mean. You can afford to play a guy like Guthrie in the midfield when he's learning from the likes of Selwood, Bartel, Kelly etc. Bigger bodies to protect him, and excellent talent to show him how to play.
We leave our kids in the seconds to rot.
And keep playing fossils like Newman who despite being a good clubman and contributor isn't going to teach a lot of kids how to become solid players probably.
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i agree.too protective.
Baptism by fire
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i cant help but have a chuckle at the RFC when i watch Joe D develop into a descent type of player, then on the same breath hear how Bean needs to work on his defensive game while hacks like newman grigg thomas and edwards gets games.
stuff we are useless
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Play this stuffin guy hardwick you imbecile
No one can tell me he is more or less raw than Ben Brown or Joey D
It's the refusal to get games into these types of guy that makes me convinced Hardwick just coaches for finals so he can feel proud
Loser mentality he continues to install on the RFC
Ben Brown was a mature recruit with a big body, McBean is a lot more raw than Brown. Apart from that I can't argue anything else :thumbsup. We wouldn't of won 9 in a row playing a few kids but I don't think we would have done too bad either with the easier draw and would of been a hell of a lot better off in the long run with a few kids developing.
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2015 will be a big year for Beany. Time for him to break into the seniors.
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https://www.facebook.com/Richmond.FC/photos/a.10152847801018276.1073741857.298686323275/10152847802728276/?type=3&theater
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Bit of the "Harry Highpants" happening :laugh:
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2015 will be a big year for Beany. Time for him to break into the seniors.
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looks like he has lost weight
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I wonder how what difference in weight/height McBean is compared to Gunston.
Watching Gunston this year he also seemed to be on the leaner side.
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2015 will be a big year for Beany. Time for him to break into the seniors.
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looks like he has lost weight
Saw him at the b&f and he was really skinny there....
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2015 will be a big year for Beany. Time for him to break into the seniors.
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looks like he has lost weight
Gotta slim down for the crumbling fwd role
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certainly put some muscle on :shh, all the credit to our strength and conditioning,,, :clapping
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certainly put some muscle on :shh, all the credit to our strength and conditioning,,, :clapping
LOL
deary me
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Too young too skinny too this too that
All good dimwit just keep playing the same old spuds
Give the kids a go ffs.
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was mcintosh rubbish last year?
and as if magic, come round 1 this year he goes alright?
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2015 will be a big year for Beany. Time for him to break into the seniors.
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looks like he has lost weight
Gotta slim down for the crumbling fwd role
hhhhaaarrrggghhhh thats gold. sad but funny.we dont expect our ruck sized players to play tall do we we dont expect em to have just a little hardness and mongrel nope we are happy to have perform like flankers. one can only laugh at it.
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His second and third quarters for the vfl were very good yesterday. Seems as though he is being groomed as the primary lead up full fwd who starts in the goal square. Would make sense structurally for when he comes in to the seniors with where jack and Grif should play.
When will that happen? Hardwick wants 3 talls. vickery is about as effective as Elton even at vfl level at the moment. He still needs to adjust to the speed of the game, defensive pressure and (mainly) confidence.
Perhaps Vickert will be given another go and when he builds his confidence will be given 2-3 weeks in the seniors. In the meantime, McBean is probably being groomed for a second half of the year debut if he is ready
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His second and third quarters for the vfl were very good yesterday. Seems as though he is being groomed as the primary lead up full fwd who starts in the goal square. Would make sense structurally for when he comes in to the seniors with where jack and Grif should play.
When will that happen? Hardwick wants 3 talls. vickery is about as effective as Elton even at vfl level at the moment. He still needs to adjust to the speed of the game, defensive pressure and (mainly) confidence.
Perhaps Vickert will be given another go and when he builds his confidence will be given 2-3 weeks in the seniors. In the meantime, McBean is probably being groomed for a second half of the year debut if he is ready
every side in the comp wants 3 talls. what about mckenzie the only other option we have. surely hes physically okay to play.
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Reece is at least 2 years away
Needs to work on his mobility
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McBean should be tried as the third forward at some point. Who knows he may produce when he gets the chance.
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McBean should be tried as the third forward at some point. Who knows he may produce when he gets the chance.
unlike others i think we may have our third tall in griffiths. what we need to find is another high quality kpf. hence id rather we play mckenzie if possible. not just a kp but a potential power fwd.
personally id like to see us develop mcbean at chb or as a ruckman. i would dearly love for the club to go out and draft two kpf and a mobile quick hard running tall fwd ive thought we have needed to do this for yrs now. trade vickery out and use what we get for him to take a fwd and use a good pick on another.
i also think we need to find a high quality kpd and two tall rebounding types imo mcintosh fits the bill to perfection.
i know this is the mcbean thread but im gunna digress just a little. sorry no i wont ill just start another thread.
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McBean should be tried as the third forward at some point. Who knows he may produce when he gets the chance.
na we got sam Lloyd all good on that front
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hope he kicks 10
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The white franklin :shh
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racist!
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To white people?
Buddy kicked 3 in the crunch time :shh
Neally
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Buddy kicked 3 in the crunch time :shh
him and goodes would be the only ones to get away with that too.....
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The white franklin :shh
Whanklin?
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Drop Big Ben for this bloke. The Beaner has earnt some senior time
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Yeah, great time to play the poor bugger, against the absolute best in the comp who are playing the best football we have seen in many seasons.
Then when he fails everyone can ridicule him.....yep great idea.
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Yeah, great time to play the poor bugger, against the absolute best in the comp who are playing the best football we have seen in many seasons.
Then when he fails everyone can ridicule him.....yep great idea.
So don't reward Bean's good form, but continue to play out of form / out of confidence / sore Griffiths?
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Yeah, great time to play the poor bugger, against the absolute best in the comp who are playing the best football we have seen in many seasons.
Then when he fails everyone can ridicule him.....yep great idea.
So don't reward Bean's good form, but continue to play out of form / out of confidence / sore Griffiths?
Is that what I said, go read my post again FFS!!!!
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After re reading your post three times it does indeed seem like that's exactly what you meant
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After re reading your post three times it does indeed seem like that's exactly what you meant
Yes I must have actually said; McBean is playing so well lets not reward him and lets keep Griff in, I am sure I actually mentioned leaving Griff in at least 3 times.. :whistle
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Yeah, great time to play the poor bugger, against the absolute best in the comp who are playing the best football we have seen in many seasons.
Then when he fails everyone can ridicule him.....yep great idea.
Well when I spoke with him earlier this year at the Cocktail Party he was absolutely loving the opportunity of senior time. He's gone back to the 2's done time in the ruck and kicked plenty of goals. He's ready, young players that back themselves were one of the reasons we started winning earlier this year.
With Tyrone back and Jack as the focus, he could play a nice cameo under the radar. At least he can kick straight :thumbsup
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Yeah, great time to play the poor bugger, against the absolute best in the comp who are playing the best football we have seen in many seasons.
Then when he fails everyone can ridicule him.....yep great idea.
Well when I spoke with him earlier this year at the Cocktail Party he was absolutely loving the opportunity of senior time. He's gone back to the 2's done time in the ruck and kicked plenty of goals. He's ready, young players that back themselves were one of the reasons we started winning earlier this year.
With Tyrone back and Jack as the focus, he could play a nice cameo under the radar. At least he can kick straight :thumbsup
Yes agree but we could also see Astbury back in with Vickery too.
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Yeah, great time to play the poor bugger, against the absolute best in the comp who are playing the best football we have seen in many seasons.
Then when he fails everyone can ridicule him.....yep great idea.
So don't reward Bean's good form, but continue to play out of form / out of confidence / sore Griffiths?
Is that what I said, go read my post again FFS!!!!
What were you trying to say then?
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:help
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:help
Humor me
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:help
Humor me
Ok, here we go.....yes I agree McBean deserves a game, he actually should have come in against the Saints for mine. I just feel that bringing him in now against the Hawks in this sort of form could bring the wrath of the supporters on him should he not perform and that would not be his fault.
I would rather see Vickery and Astbury/Dea come in as they are bigger bodied and they have had more exposure at this level and at this intensity that that Hawks will bring.
I just don't want to see McBean hung out to dry and used as a scape goat.
Hows that???
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:help
Humor me
Ok, here we go.....yes I agree McBean deserves a game, he actually should have come in against the Saints for mine. I just feel that bringing him in now against the Hawks in this sort of form could bring the wrath of the supporters on him should he not perform and that would not be his fault.
I would rather see Vickery and Astbury/Dea come in as they are bigger bodied and they have had more exposure at this level and at this intensity that that Hawks will bring.
I just don't want to see McBean hung out to dry and used as a scape goat.
Hows that???
:thumbsup
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:help
Humor me
Ok, here we go.....yes I agree McBean deserves a game, he actually should have come in against the Saints for mine. I just feel that bringing him in now against the Hawks in this sort of form could bring the wrath of the supporters on him should he not perform and that would not be his fault.
I would rather see Vickery and Astbury/Dea come in as they are bigger bodied and they have had more exposure at this level and at this intensity that that Hawks will bring.
I just don't want to see McBean hung out to dry and used as a scape goat.
Hows that???
:thumbsup
;D
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May get his chance now Griffiths is out.
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yep probably a good opportunity for him to get in a decent block of games now that Griff is out. Bring him in and give him the chance to cement his spot. His chance has arrived - well deserved
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Could we see Jack, Vickery, Hampson and Maric all play at once :gobdrop
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Cometh the opportunity, cometh the man :clapping
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I started to re-watch the Collingwood game the other night and I really noticed McBean doing some nice things. He only had a handful of kicks but he ran to the right spots IMO. He took a really nice mark on a strong lead but it just happen to be touched off the guys boot, and was called play on.
He didn't by any means star in any of his games earlier this season but IMO showed he isn't far away. An early mark or a goal would really do his confidence the world of good. I hope he gets another opportunity soon.
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Cometh the opportunity, cometh the man :clapping
Or throw him to the wolves. :-\
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Cometh the opportunity, cometh the man :clapping
Or throw him to the wolves. :-\
Learn against the best. After this week (if he were to play) every week after will feel easy for him.
Darcy Moore debuted against Hawthorn 3 weeks ago and booted 5 goals in his 3rd game :shh
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It's time to play this kid. He's earned it.
Jack, Vickery and McBean forward.
Hampson ruck if fit. Maric VFL.
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Cometh the opportunity, cometh the man :clapping
Or throw him to the wolves. :-\
Learn against the best. After this week (if he were to play) every week after will feel easy for him.
Darcy Moore debuted against Hawthorn 3 weeks ago and booted 5 goals in his 3rd game :shh
Joe Daniher similar build to the Beaner kicked 3 and had 14 possies vs Hawks in R2
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It's time to play this kid. He's earned it.
Jack, Vickery and McBean forward.
Hampson ruck if fit. Maric VFL.
100% agree with all 5 changes!
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Kicked 5 again
Bog
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Kicked 5 again
Bog
Best game for the year in my books :clapping
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Kicked 5 again
Bog
Best game for the year in my books :clapping
:shh
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Kicked 5 again
Bog
Best game for the year in my books :clapping
Take many marks machine ?
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He is the reason why TV has pulled his finger out.
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Kicked 5 again
Bog
Best game for the year in my books :clapping
Take many marks machine ?
Not many contested but got a few on the lead.
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Liked the look of him when he came into the seniors. Someone has to make room for this guy very soon. We haven't had a forward kick goals consistently at VFL level in 5-6 years
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Liked the look of him when he came into the seniors. Someone has to make room for this guy very soon. We haven't had a forward kick goals consistently at VFL level in 5-6 years
Batch or Morris out, McBean in... :lol :lol
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McBean, Vickery and Jack down the F50.
With Lloyd, Deledio and Lennon.
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Get McBean in the team
McBean, Vickery and Jack down the F50.
With Lloyd, Deledio and Lennon.
Trelor and Motlop on the bench :pray
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Get McBean in the team
McBean, Vickery and Jack down the F50.
With Lloyd, Deledio and Lennon.
Trelor and Motlop on the bench :pray
If griff was fit would he be inthe team with vickery and Jack? If yes, mcbean should be getting a game for sure
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Get McBean in the team
McBean, Vickery and Jack down the F50.
With Lloyd, Deledio and Lennon.
Trelor and Motlop on the bench :pray
If griff was fit would he be inthe team with vickery and Jack? If yes, mcbean should be getting a game for sure
Id play Griff or McBean
Center Half Back :whistle
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Get McBean in the team
McBean, Vickery and Jack down the F50.
With Lloyd, Deledio and Lennon.
Trelor and Motlop on the bench :pray
If griff was fit would he be inthe team with vickery and Jack? If yes, mcbean should be getting a game for sure
McBean plays a similar role to Ty. Won't come in unless something happens to him. They may play McBean, Griff (if he was healthy) and Jack but I'm fairly sure Dimma doesn't like McBean, Ty and Jack structurally.
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Get McBean in the team
McBean, Vickery and Jack down the F50.
With Lloyd, Deledio and Lennon.
Trelor and Motlop on the bench :pray
If griff was fit would he be inthe team with vickery and Jack? If yes, mcbean should be getting a game for sure
McBean plays a similar role to Ty. Won't come in unless something happens to him. They may play McBean, Griff (if he was healthy) and Jack but I'm fairly sure Dimma doesn't like McBean, Ty and Jack structurally.
why not play Jack, Ty and McBean?
Dimma was pretty happy with Jack, Ty, Grifff...
the kid is leading the VFL coleman (again, year after years, getting BOGs, kicking 5 every week
fffs
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Dark navy doesn't suit him personally
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Dark navy doesn't suit him personally
if we lose mcbean / lennon i will be not happy jan
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I would also be sad to see Bean go, but we have done very well in the department of retaining players.
If Matty White is the biggest loss of the last 5 years then we're on top.
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Get McBean in the team
McBean, Vickery and Jack down the F50.
With Lloyd, Deledio and Lennon.
Trelor and Motlop on the bench :pray
If griff was fit would he be inthe team with vickery and Jack? If yes, mcbean should be getting a game for sure
McBean plays a similar role to Ty. Won't come in unless something happens to him. They may play McBean, Griff (if he was healthy) and Jack but I'm fairly sure Dimma doesn't like McBean, Ty and Jack structurally.
why not play Jack, Ty and McBean?
Dimma was pretty happy with Jack, Ty, Grifff...
the kid is leading the VFL coleman (again, year after years, getting BOGs, kicking 5 every week
fffs
As i said it I don't think Dimma likes that structure. Griff plays higher up the ground so a different role to Ty and Mcbean who are more traditional forward 50 players. Personally I'm a big fan of Liam and think when you have a talent like he is you can slightly alter your structure to fit your talented personnel. However, after 5 years I think its apparent Dimma likes to stick to his structures.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Ty, McBean and Jack forward line strutted out next year but it's not going to happen in 2015.
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I watched the highlights package and only one of his goals came from a mark. I imagine the feeling is he wouldn't get away with the ground ball gets with more nimble footed defenders at afl. :shh
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FFS, even Bojo can see it!
McBean is the small crumbing forward we've been crying out for!!!
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What is happening with Liam?
No pictures at training etc, theoretically he should be getting some game time this year I would have thought?
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Heard he's lost weight and vaporised which is why you can no longer see him at training...
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Mods, can we have a 'vaporised' emoticon added please?
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This kis reputation for being a future star is so stupidly ridiculous.
Talk and skinny.
So what.
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Relooking at training video i think he is all bearded up so hopefully firing on all cylinders
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Stick him in a pocket ffs
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Couldn't do worse than Ben " I miss goals from 30 m directly in front " Griffiths.
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Far better option than Benny Butcher-Clokechardson.
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Always thought he was the small forward we've needed....
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So is he injured? Why haven't we seen him yet? Because stuff this Chuckles Chaplin tomfoolery.
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So is he injured? Why haven't we seen him yet? Because stuff this Chuckles Chaplin tomfoolery.
I'll be at the club tomorrow. Will investigate! :thumbsup
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Couldn't do worse than Ben " I miss goals from 30 m directly in front " Griffiths.
Griffiths has kicked goals in AFL games though, McBean pole hasn't from what I remember in 2 games in the forward pocket. This kid could make it but might just as easily be a dud in the heat of the fire.
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Couldn't do worse than Ben " I miss goals from 30 m directly in front " Griffiths.
Griffiths has kicked goals in AFL games though, McBean pole hasn't from what I remember in 2 games in the forward pocket. This kid could make it but might just as easily be a dud in the heat of the fire.
Griffiths didn't kick a goal in his first two games either.
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That is so funny. What makes it funny is the big element of truth to it.
Has he taken any over head marks this off season.
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Couldn't do worse than Ben " I miss goals from 30 m directly in front " Griffiths.
Griffiths has kicked goals in AFL games though, McBean pole hasn't from what I remember in 2 games in the forward pocket. This kid could make it but might just as easily be a dud in the heat of the fire.
Griffiths didn't kick a goal in his first two games either.
I seem to recall he has kicked plenty at VFA level??
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Agree he has been mind copulated severely, what happened to his 60metre booming kicks??
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Griff can kick them from outside 50 - he just can't kick them from 30 m directly in front ( when it really counts )
Rd 17 Fremantle MCG - Griff misses a set shot from straight in front - would of put us over two goals up in the third quarter in a titanic struggle. Game cost us any real chance of top 4.
Elimination Final - Griff misses easy shot in the first when we had all the momentum..
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma .
Griff played in defence because of injuries to other defenders - and did quite well.
Played well against Hawthorn one year.
I'm a critic of Griff - but his versatility is one of his greatest attributes .
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma .
Played well against Hawthorn one year.
Yep that's my opinion. If it hurts your feelings, stiff for you.
And for the record, as per above you never miss a chance arguing the old chesnut that 'one game make the the man'.
Ridiculous logic.
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How good would of it to see chol McBean jack
The last two weeks instead of fat albert
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma .
Played well against Hawthorn one year.
Yep that's my opinion. If it hurts your feelings, stiff for you.
And for the record, as per above you never miss a chance arguing the old chesnut that 'one game make the the man'.
Ridiculous logic.
This is an Internet football forum - it would be impossible for you to hurt my feelings.
I think it's "ridiculous" to imply that after 7 years Griff doesn't know what he is doing .
Blind freddy knows what Griffs role in the team is - 2nd or third tall in the forward line , chop out in the ruck.
I'm pretty sure Ben Griffiths knows this.
I just think a return of 12 goals from 26 scoring shots is an ordinary return compared to Vickery 31 goals from 40 scoring shots.
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Footy is an easy game, get the ball and either dispose of it to a team mate or in range kick a goal
BBBG even though he can kick 82.5 metres seems to have troubles with the basics of footy
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma .
Played well against Hawthorn one year.
Yep that's my opinion. If it hurts your feelings, stiff for you.
And for the record, as per above you never miss a chance arguing the old chesnut that 'one game make the the man'.
Ridiculous logic.
This is an Internet football forum - it would be impossible for you to hurt my feelings.
I think it's "ridiculous" to imply that after 7 years Griff doesn't know what he is doing .
Blind freddy knows what Griffs role in the team is - 2nd or third tall in the forward line , chop out in the ruck.
I'm pretty sure Ben Griffiths knows this.
I just think a return of 12 goals from 26 scoring shots is an ordinary return compared to Vickery 31 goals from 40 scoring shots.
should of played him CHB last three years instead of KingKong
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Footy is an easy game, get the ball and either dispose of it to a team mate or in range kick a goal
BBBG even though he can kick 82.5 metres seems to have troubles with the basics of footy
the moron coaches tell them to kicked side ways / backwards
the moron coaches tell them to aim for the fwd pocket
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma .
Played well against Hawthorn one year.
Yep that's my opinion. If it hurts your feelings, stiff for you.
And for the record, as per above you never miss a chance arguing the old chesnut that 'one game make the the man'.
Ridiculous logic.
This is an Internet football forum - it would be impossible for you to hurt my feelings.
I think it's "ridiculous" to imply that after 7 years Griff doesn't know what he is doing .
Blind freddy knows what Griffs role in the team is - 2nd or third tall in the forward line , chop out in the ruck.
I'm pretty sure Ben Griffiths knows this.
I just think a return of 12 goals from 26 scoring shots is an ordinary return compared to Vickery 31 goals from 40 scoring shots.
should of played him CHB last three years instead of KingKong
I like that idea - problem is he's been so injury prone over his whole career.
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And people coul have yelled "shoot" when he was in his own half
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma .
Griff played in defence because of injuries to other defenders - and did quite well.
Played well against Hawthorn one year.
I'm a critic of Griff - but his versatility is one of his greatest attributes .
He also got a bath by our one and only Shaun Hampson. I still believe this is the point where Richmond thought he was a good player and decided to recruit him. For that I will always hold Griffiths responsible
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Is Griffs a person problem, a selection problem or a development problem?
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Footy is an easy game, get the ball and either dispose of it to a team mate or in range kick a goal
BBBG even though he can kick 82.5 metres seems to have troubles with the basics of footy
Wow what an insight pure genius on display. lol
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma
I'm a critic of Griff - but his versatility is one of his greatest attributes .
Hmm Versatility. Your only versatile if you can perform several roles consistently well. My trouble is i am yet to see Griffiths perform any role consistently well yet alone two or three.
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Being consistently mediocre at different roles is a kind of versatility...
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Didn't Griff play back line early on though.
He played forward at first. Then back. Then forward/ruck.
And what a masterstroke it's been by Dimma and friends. 7th afl season and the guy simply doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Wow - You never miss an opportunity to whack poor old Dimma
I'm a critic of Griff - but his versatility is one of his greatest attributes .
Hmm Versatility. Your only versatile if you can perform several roles consistently well. My trouble is i am yet to see Griffiths perform any role consistently well yet alone two or three.
I agree. The biggest problem with Griff has always been his body. It's as brittle as can be. This then translates into loss of confidence between the ears. He is not a guy that can play well with injury.
I have said before, this year is his last chance. Shape up or ship out. And that's from one of his biggest supporters.
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I haven't seen anything from McBean that fills me with hope. I'd be surprised if he makes it. I hope I'm wrong.
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I haven't seen anything from McBean that fills me with hope. I'd be surprised if he makes it. I hope I'm wrong.
Me neither.
When drafted all the talk from the club was we took him to be a future ruckman. Has he at any stage ever been played in the role. Surely he is big enough to play the role at vfl level this year.
I still maintain he should have been developed as a kpd. The simple reason for that is as a defender his greatest weaknessess are taken out of the equation.
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I haven't seen anything from McBean that fills me with hope. I'd be surprised if he makes it. I hope I'm wrong.
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He's not going anywhere mate.
The clowns still anticipate his arrival despite him being the longest developed player in the game.
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I haven't seen anything from McBean that fills me with hope. I'd be surprised if he makes it. I hope I'm wrong.
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He's not going anywhere mate.
The clowns still anticipate his arrival despite him being the longest developed player in the game.
Surely JON still holds that title?
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:(
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They've broken his spirit and fkd any possibility of him being the best he can at senior level.
Well done RFC
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what happened?
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Nothing
Same as very week
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Hardwick still thinks he might make the eight so be won't change anything.
I guess after the next 2 weeks it will be obvious that our season is shot and he will play the kids. At least that's what he told us.....
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It's good we played Chaplin forward
Good work tigers.
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Yeh look, we have depth but prefer not to debut it....Ever
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If it is true that McBean has asked his management to shop him around and he is as good as out the door then why would you play him at all?.Play and put games into others who will be around next year.
It was reported months ago that McBean was going i dont get why people continue to want him played.
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But if it's not true,it's ridiculous.
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Dimwit Hardwick ruining careers since he arrived. :thumbsup
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Don't blame the kid. I'd leave too...
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If it is true that McBean has asked his management to shop him around and he is as good as out the door then why would you play him at all?.Play and put games into others who will be around next year.
It was reported months ago that McBean was going i dont get why people continue to want him played.
3 reasons....
1...To make Dimma look like a fool
2...To increase his trade Value
3...To change his mind
Just give him a string of games and see what happens, we couldn't possibly do any worse could we?
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Good thing we gae troy Chaplin a string of games in the ones. In the forward line.
Long term planning damien
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If it is true that McBean has asked his management to shop him around and he is as good as out the door then why would you play him at all?.Play and put games into others who will be around next year.
It was reported months ago that McBean was going i dont get why people continue to want him played.
3 reasons....
1...To make Dimma look like a fool
2...To increase his trade Value
3...To change his mind
Just give him a string of games and see what happens, we couldn't possibly do any worse could we?
Point 3 won me over.If there is any chance to keep him then play him.But you know what? the bloke who has consistently refused to play him has been given a two year renewal.Imo he is gone.
A question for you if you had to put up with the double standards for as long as this bloke has had to if you was ignored for as long as he has been and the blokes who are responsible are not going anywhere what would you do? Personally i would not be able to get out of the door quick enough.
Nothing has come out yet but i reckon the Beaner has had plenty of enquiries.
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The worst thing is McBean goes, Hardwick goes, as we, the supporters, stay.
Hardwick not playing Liam is an indictment on our whole list management team.
If McBean was at another club (especially a Port Adelaide feeder club) we would be chasing him hard, and he would probably ignore us and go somewhere good.
Hardwick, wake up and smell the roses.
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If he really is gone them I can understand not playing him but I can't blame him either.
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Think Liam will stay
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Sack hardwick and Beanie will not only stay, he'll throw the biggest party of all time.
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Think Liam will stay
Me thinks Liam is goneskis ;D ;) ;D
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Yeah it's funny isn't it
Fingers crossed he reaches his potential somewhere else where he's given a fair go
And sticks it up the moron club and the demeted ideas they implement like Chaplin in the forward line
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Think Liam will stay
Methinks Liam is goneskis ;D ;) ;D
If you are going to use Shakespearean words...
:bow
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Yeah it's funny isn't it
Fingers crossed he reaches his potential somewhere else where he's given a fair go
And sticks it up the moron club and the demeted ideas they implement like Chaplin in the forward line
I would love that. Willy p would never hear the end of it.
"Doesn't chase tackle this that" hey bents
Shows how dilluded this whole club is playing every other dud ahead of this guy.
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Think Liam will stay
Me thinks Liam is goneskis ;D ;) ;D
Not good enough hey?? Doesn't chase tackle like vickers grigg chap
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Think Liam will stay
Me thinks Liam is goneskis ;D ;) ;D
What makes you say that?
It would be incredibly disappointing if that was the case.
At best, he has been given no opportunity to see if can be a senior player. There are so many examples of senior players doing less than McBean in the 2's who get games that it almost seems like a personality contest to get a game.
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Me thinks Liam is playing this week 😉
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Me thinks Liam is playing this week 😉
I hope so, remember the fight Tucky had to go through to play, methinks it is the same, play McBean for the rest of the year then decide
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Agree
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Me thinks Liam is playing this week 😉
I hope so, remember the fight Tucky had to go through to play, methinks it is the same, play McBean for the rest of the year then decide
It's the very least we can do for the kid and our so called management of the list.
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When Beanie makes an impression in the firsts the club and some fans will credit Harwick and his development of him in the seconds for it
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Me thinks Liam is playing this week 😉
The word is "methinks".
William S would turn over in his grave.
:cheers
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Hardwicks conference he said that mcbean will get a chance at some stage. Not very convincing.
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Cant wait for the meltdowns after selection of the side tonight, looking forward to it.
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Selected ;D
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Will proboably have an ordinary game with limited impact and then have the chicken littles come on here saying Hardwick has shattered him as a footballer
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Its a no lose situation by playing the Bean for the rest of the year, he either goes well and we keep/trade him or he stinks it up and we delist/trade him.
Either way its better than having a player on the main list only playing 2's football.
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If He does play this week how many games does he get before he gets thrown under the bus by his supporters if his performances arent up to par :rollin
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If He does play this week how many games does he get before he gets thrown under the bus by his supporters if his performances arent up to par :rollin
Id go a step further and ask, if he gets selected and his performance 1st or 2nd game up isnt up to scratch how many will say "told you so, hes a dud, hardwick knew what he was doing" ? :)
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He'll be dropped after one or two games if his numbers aren't at least double Vickery's binary code output.
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If He does play this week how many games does he get before he gets thrown under the bus by his supporters if his performances arent up to par :rollin
It will be the coaching panel the football department that throws him under the bus, not the fans.
Most fans have wanted Bean to get a decent run at it for ages now.
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yep - most just want to see the bloke given a chance! and if at the end of it, he's not good enough, then so be it.
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Good to see him finally get a game
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Long time coming. :thumbsup
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yep - most just want to see the bloke given a chance! and if at the end of it, he's not good enough, then so be it.
Yeah I agree Tony, it's pretty much this.
we've got a guy winning the goal kicking award twice yet we persist with this limp dick players who don't put in.
Dimma, penny, Benny stuff off
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yep - most just want to see the bloke given a chance! and if at the end of it, he's not good enough, then so be it.
Get that just interested in how long folks will give him
Some players get a few weeks, others are immune so seem to get forever, interested how long people will give him
Sorry my previous post was a bit :sarcasm2
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yep - most just want to see the bloke given a chance! and if at the end of it, he's not good enough, then so be it.
Get that just interested in how long folks will give him
Some players get a few weeks, others are immune so seem to get forever, interested how long people will give him
Sorry my previous post was a bit :sarcasm2
Every game until the end of the season.
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I give him 8 minutes into the first quarter to goal and get 2 goal assists or its the scrap heap for him!!!!!! But no pressure.
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:lol
For mine WP, I'll give him till the end of season, yes itll only be about 10 AFL games total in his career but hes been in the system long enough now, so we should be able to get a pretty good gauge of what we'll get with the beaner moving forward in the next 8 weeks.
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I think McBean is a natural forward. He leads really well, knows where and when to lead and is a very nice set shot at goal.
I fear for him though playing in our forward-line set up, and the slow stagnant ball moving into our forward-line.
I hope with DH making some well overdue changes, he also frees up the boys to be more attacking.
Anyway good luck to him and I hope he makes the decision to not play him earlier a stupid one.
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Hope he leads to the fat side and they kick it to him....... :whistle
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Is this Justin Plapp mark II?
I can't wait for this young fellow to play again, I can almost already here the cheers of excitement when he almost takes a mark or almost kicks a goal. :rollin
How much can we expect from a kid that couldn't get a game in front of Sideshow or TheGirlGriff? Or is it because he's been cultivated by the Guru himself "Chocco" & the disciples of development? :rollin
How much more will he improve with the most frustrating game plan any forward has ever seen?
Im glad he's finally got the opportunity but I'm not holding my breath. Most fail, it's an RFC tradition.
Maybe if he is fed up with this club & does leave us for better opportunities he can dominate the competition & stick it right up us just like all the other players that have left us that have had stellar careers elsewhere. :rollin
Richmond FC, ruining careers since "83. :clapping
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Play him at full forward. Give him to rest of him. Lets hope the delivery to the forward line is quicker than it has been previously.
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He is a good kid
Will do well on the weekend
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Gotta play the season out, just has to!
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Good luck to Liam, against the Dogs it will be a real tough game for him as a 3rd up game.
I am not expecting too much but I am sure he will do better than Vickery.
I just hope he gets a decent go and agree that he has to play the season out so we know where he is at re AFL intensity.
In all honesty he probably needs the rest of this year and a fair crack next year as well but unsure if TPTB (The Powers That Be) will see it like that
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#sackhardwick
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Based on what? Been very fumbly
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Based on what? Been very fumbly
Providing more than TV thus far as at least he is chasing with purpose :clapping
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Getting a contest. Works harder between contests. Doesnt look out of his depth for 3 games in compared to 26 y.o Vickerydouche. The rest will come.
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Going well is Bean
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Based on what? Been very fumbly
Shown more in a half than Hampson Vickery chaplin shown in moons
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Based on what? Been very fumbly
Shown more in a half than Hampson Vickery chaplin shown in moons
In my defence you posted that before he'd done anything and I replied when he'd fumbled two-tree times, one he could have probably had a good shot at goal from
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Based on what? Been very fumbly
Shown more in a half than Hampson Vickery chaplin shown in moons
In my defence you posted that before he'd done anything and I replied when he'd fumbled two-tree times, one he could have probably had a good shot at goal from
Infidel
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Based on what? Been very fumbly
Shown more in a half than Hampson Vickery chaplin shown in moons
In my defence you posted that before he'd done anything and I replied when he'd fumbled two-tree times, one he could have probably had a good shot at goal from
Infidel
Still playing better than Vickery. Sad that Vickery will probably be back next week if Bean doesn't kick a couple. "We need more goal kickers" or some junk
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Dunno, wasn't sold, he gets pushed around too easily from what I saw. Needs more games though.
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Dunno, wasn't sold, he gets pushed around too easily from what I saw. Needs more games though.
Chaplin forward pocket next week maybe
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Pace of the game looked
Too quick for him, but keep him in and persevere
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Saw nothing much that made me think he wasn't another Sideshow except I didn't seen a cameo. Didn't work hard enough or present enough IMO.
That said I'd rather see him play for the rest of the season
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I said he needs more games. He is more agile than TV and I reckon if he gets his groove on and plays to his body type, he could be awesome. In one on one contests I saw him get pushed round a bit too easily. Seems to be a feature we like though, we had full body cramp and we got TV who randomly falls over and then there are the other two freshly birthed giraffes injuring themselves at random intervals in Hamspud and Griff. Soooo Bean it is.
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Dimma said McBean will play next week and the week after. So Beany will finally get a decent run at it if he's good enough.
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it probably killed him to say those words. Dimwit would love to bring big bad ty the sissy back in.
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:huh3
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Must be persisted with....more he plays the better he'll get....worked harder than Vickery has since the Sydney match last year...and probably before that too....even shepherded through a goal....anyone remember the last tine Vickery or Griffiths for that matter, did that?
Should've played more in the ruck too....looked the best of the three IMO... more natural & competitive than Griffiths and didn't put it down the throats of the opposition like Hamspud does.
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Must be persisted with....more he plays the better he'll get....worked harder than Vickery has since the Sydney match last year...and probably before that too....even shepherded through a goal....anyone remember the last tine Vickery or Griffiths for that matter, did that?
Should've played more in the ruck too....looked the best of the three IMO... more natural & competitive than Griffiths and didn't put it down the throats of the opposition like Hamspud does.
I like him as the second ruck as he does tap it to advantage. He was clearly pushed around in the ruck contests early and i think the coaching staff got spooked by this so he spend more time forward the longer the game went. I would prefer Griffiths to play forward and deep which would allow Liam to be the second ruck as he is good around the contest. He just needs to be aggressive and competitive from today forward.
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Should've played more in the ruck too....looked the best of the three IMO... more natural & competitive than Griffiths and didn't put it down the throats of the opposition like Hamspud does.
Interesting comment this and having been at the game I thougt he was lost when he went in to ruck. Looked terrible to be honest. A friend I go to the footy with who is never critical of players even said he looked clueless and asked why bother putting him in the ruck?
I ask this not to be smart but because (and I say this alot) things you see on TV can be totally different to what you see at the game. were you at the game?
I thought his 3rd qtr was the best of a pretty average game. Will be interested to see what shows up on the replay.
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Better than Vickery
Will come good
Need to persist
Ty has has plenty of chances
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Must be persisted with....more he plays the better he'll get....worked harder than Vickery has since the Sydney match last year...and probably before that too....even shepherded through a goal....anyone remember the last tine Vickery or Griffiths for that matter, did that?
Should've played more in the ruck too....looked the best of the three IMO... more natural & competitive than Griffiths and didn't put it down the throats of the opposition like Hamspud does.
Agreed. I thought he looked okay I'm the ruck but then again I'm comparing him to others in our side which might be a little misleading.
I like him as the second ruck as he does tap it to advantage. He was clearly pushed around in the ruck contests early and i think the coaching staff got spooked by this so he spend more time forward the longer the game went. I would prefer Griffiths to play forward and deep which would allow Liam to be the second ruck as he is good around the contest. He just needs to be aggressive and competitive from today forward.
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and didn't put it down the throats of the opposition like Hamspud does.
Yeah he did a couple of times. None as bad as Hampsons two efforts thought
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McBean is the perfect example of why you would get rid of our strength and conditioning team.
4th year at the club and still looks like he's never been in the weights room.
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McBean is the perfect example of why you would get rid of our strength and conditioning team.
4th year at the club and still looks like he's never been in the weights room.
:clapping
Yes i made the comment to a friend last night needs to eat few (dozen) hamburgers
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Core strength is what he needs to work on...don't expect him to ever develop cannons & tree trunks...is just gangly like Fletcher, who took years to get any kind of definition....
Should've played more in the ruck too....looked the best of the three IMO... more natural & competitive than Griffiths and didn't put it down the throats of the opposition like Hamspud does.
Interesting comment this and having been at the game I thougt he was lost when he went in to ruck. Looked terrible to be honest. A friend I go to the footy with who is never critical of players even said he looked clueless and asked why bother putting him in the ruck?
I ask this not to be smart but because (and I say this alot) things you see on TV can be totally different to what you see at the game. were you at the game?
I thought his 3rd qtr was the best of a pretty average game. Will be interested to see what shows up on the replay.
Yes I was at the game. McBean will be a better ruckman than Hamspud and already is a more natural looking one than Griffiths & Vickery. Now none of those things actually mean he is or will ever be a good ruck, nonetheless, I think he has the makings to be a handy second ruck at worst.
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McBean is the perfect example of why you would get rid of our strength and conditioning team.
4th year at the club and still looks like he's never been in the weights room.
:clapping
Yes i made the comment to a friend lst noght needs to eat few (dozen) hamburgers
It might surprise a few here ( ;)) that some people don't have much of a propensity to put weight on, even if they're in the gym 24/7. You can become much stronger without actually adding much muscle mass.
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McBean is the perfect example of why you would get rid of our strength and conditioning team.
4th year at the club and still looks like he's never been in the weights room.
:clapping
Yes i made the comment to a friend lst noght needs to eat few (dozen) hamburgers
It might surprise a few here ( ;)) that some people don't have much of a propensity to put weight on, even if they're in the gym 24/7. You can become much stronger without actually adding much muscle mass.
Yet to see him use any strength,he plays like a flanker most of the time and still hasn't learnt to use his 2 metre frame the way most talls would.
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Agree with the comment about poor conditioning team. Liam needs to take some of the responsibility. My Dogs mate said he looked to have smarts but physically a mile away, needs a really big pre season in him, this should have happened 1st and 2nd year at the club.
Hope he gets a long run in the team, need to see how he goes when he adjusts to speed of the game. Looks a tad slow at VFL level so AFL was always going look a bit '1 geared'. No worse than what Ty has dished up this year. Give him all the chances possible before making a call at end of year. Might be able to get something decent at trade table if he shows improvement.
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McBean is the perfect example of why you would get rid of our strength and conditioning team.
4th year at the club and still looks like he's never been in the weights room.
:clapping
Yes i made the comment to a friend lst noght needs to eat few (dozen) hamburgers
It might surprise a few here ( ;)) that some people don't have much of a propensity to put weight on, even if they're in the gym 24/7. You can become much stronger without actually adding much muscle mass.
Yet to see him use any strength,he plays like a flanker most of the time and still hasn't learnt to use his 2 metre frame the way most talls would.
He needs to learn how to throw that two metres of balsa wood frame around you reckon? :cheers
In all seriousness he is always going to be thin but he can be strong as stuff still, snake was like that.
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Liam McBean 202 cm 94 kg
Joe Daniher 201 cm 94 kg
so what are our conditioning and development coaches doing?
SFA IMHO
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gee that is light for that height. What is he doing, nibbling on lettuce leaves?
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Pimples is light for that size too yet gets games
He's given a chance and not dropped when poor
As opposed to te hardwick all stars that favor a forward line of hampsons Chaplins Vickery
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thing is hes put on about 14-16kegs hasnt he? think he was 78-80kegs when we drafted him. But agree, you can be thin but strong. Whats our S&C department doing?
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Joe Daniher is significantly fitter and athletically more capable than Beaner. Partly development, partly DNA
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Joe Daniher is significantly fitter and athletically more capable than Beaner. Partly development, partly DNA
Yeah good call that and it gets me wondering whether the Beans major hurdle is simply his output.
He does look to have improved his body from last year but now he's got hat 1st goal out of the way hopefully he
grabs his opportunity and increases that output both on the track and on game day.
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Bean moves well, he just needs to get some games to adjust to the AFL pace. He has some good instincts, a good run of games and he should be able to find his rhythm. Lets find out please selectors.
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Bean moves well, he just needs to get some games to adjust to the AFL pace. He has some good instincts, a good run of games and he should be able to find his rhythm. Lets find out please selectors.
Nah, stuff that lets see if he can win the reserves goal kicking a third time.
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Bean Boy was 84 kg when drafted, he is 300 times faster than Vaporub
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Joe Daniher is significantly fitter and athletically more capable than Beaner. Partly development, partly DNA
he has also had an extra year in the system as he was allowed to train with the druggies before being drafted
BTW Mcbean is now 98kg
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Joe Daniher is significantly fitter and athletically more capable than Beaner. Partly development, partly DNA
he has also had an extra year in the system as he was allowed to train with the druggies before being drafted
BTW Mcbean is now 98kg
I'm not sure McBean will:-
A/ get the opportunity
B/ catch up to Joe if he does by next year
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Hasn't Daniher had the benefit of a chemically accelerated growth and development program though?
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Apparently not hence he ain't banned
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Apparently not hence he ain't banned
Wasn't officially an Essendon player at the time and so escaped tests and interviews..... :shh
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Not seeing much to get excited about with the stick insect. I thought this bloke topped the goal kicking at VFL level 2 years in a row.
Doesn't even look like he's going to kick a goal IMO, looks at all sea.
Atleast he's keeping up with the no tackling policy in the forward 50. :rollin
Positives: he's keeping Sideshow out of the team.
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Doesn't even look like he's going to kick a goal IMO, looks at all sea.
Atleast he's keeping up with the no tackling policy in the forward 50.
To be fair, the whole team never looks like it can kick an easy goal.
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Thing is he looks like a raw first or second year forward not one that's been in the system for 4 years. I'm glad he's being given a run bc we needed to know but he's looking way off (still prefer him to sideshow)
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He did a few things, Griffiths was on his game today & taking some big grabs. Just persist with him
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Keep him ... hard playing under Hardwick's game plan!
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I am yet to see what some people were raving about McBean. Think Markov and Castagna have been better than him.
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Actually watched him do some very clever subtle things when under a lot of pressure. Got the ball to our players a lot with deft taps etc. Didn't do a lot of spectacular marking or stuff but ran all day and is definitely improving for another run. Keep playing for mine.
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LMAO the sense of expectation is getting to some already
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Agree that he needs a decent run on the team at Vickerys expense.
Also agree that so far have seen very little that inspires me .
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The way we enter our attacking 50 certainly doesn't do him any favours. Its not rocket science, lead to space and together with a pin point pass you beat the opposition defence every time. The problem is we seem to have no structure in our 50 and we don't have the players with the skill to execute the pass. No good bombing it in the pockets every time, McBean is definitely not a pack marking beast, he is more dangerous in isolation so he requires space to do his best work. Unfortunately blind freddy can see this but the coaching staff either can't or alternatively the players aren't following instructions.
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Be interesting to see where he is at in another 4 weeks.
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LMAO the sense of expectation is getting to some already
I'm more patient than most Chuck - but he's been in the system for four years and looks miles away. Vickery and Griffiths were far more advanced at the same stage.
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I am yet to see what some people were raving about McBean. Think Markov and Castagna have been better than him.
the are advantaged not being 202cm
non kpp take less time generally ..
LMAO the sense of expectation is getting to some already
I'm more patient than most Chuck - but he's been in the system for four years and looks miles away. Vickery and Griffiths were far more advanced at the same stage.
as proven by winning the vfl goal kicking award eh
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Actually watched him do some very clever subtle things when under a lot of pressure. Got the ball to our players a lot with deft taps etc. Didn't do a lot of spectacular marking or stuff but ran all day and is definitely improving for another run. Keep playing for mine.
For starters, he at least trying. He's also adjusting to the pace of AFL. He's made a good contribution by working hard up the lines and competing which is something Vickery isn't even fit enough to do despite being on our list for twice the time.
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Actually watched him do some very clever subtle things when under a lot of pressure. Got the ball to our players a lot with deft taps etc. Didn't do a lot of spectacular marking or stuff but ran all day and is definitely improving for another run. Keep playing for mine.
For starters, he at least trying. He's also adjusting to the pace of AFL. He's made a good contribution by working hard up the lines and competing which is something Vickery isn't even fit enough to do despite being on our list for twice the time.
yep, I dont think anyone could possibly question his work ethic or smarts vs gimpery, but just saying physically he looks like a raw first or 2nd year player not one thats been in the system for 4 years.
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Be interesting to see where he is at in another 4 weeks.
Back in the VFL I reckon :rollin :rollin
Seriously, they've said he will get 3-4 weks guaranteed, so he has 2 more guwranteed weeks to show / do something
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Keep playing him to up his value then sell,if he plods then grab his hat and coat and stuff him off!
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Actually watched him do some very clever subtle things when under a lot of pressure. Got the ball to our players a lot with deft taps etc. Didn't do a lot of spectacular marking or stuff but ran all day and is definitely improving for another run. Keep playing for mine.
For starters, he at least trying. He's also adjusting to the pace of AFL. He's made a good contribution by working hard up the lines and competing which is something Vickery isn't even fit enough to do despite being on our list for twice the time.
yep, I dont think anyone could possibly question his work ethic or smarts vs gimpery, but just saying physically he looks like a raw first or 2nd year player not one thats been in the system for 4 years.
he was very tall and skinny when drafted
what were you expecting lebron james?
hence he was a later pick and a 'risk'
hes going ok was never going to b wayne carey b y now
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I'd rather see him run the season out than Vickery returning and restoring all that typifies what Hardwock coaching is about.
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I personally think he should be given the next 6 weeks to just go for it. Give him his head a little and let's see what happens. Getting 3 or 4 weeks can't be great for his confidence or willingness to take a few risks.
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I personally think he should be given the next 6 weeks to just go for it. Give him his head a little and let's see what happens. Getting 3 or 4 weeks can't be great for his confidence or willingness to take a few risks.
Pretty much spot on.
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Actually watched him do some very clever subtle things when under a lot of pressure. Got the ball to our players a lot with deft taps etc. Didn't do a lot of spectacular marking or stuff but ran all day and is definitely improving for another run. Keep playing for mine.
For starters, he at least trying. He's also adjusting to the pace of AFL. He's made a good contribution by working hard up the lines and competing which is something Vickery isn't even fit enough to do despite being on our list for twice the time.
yep, I dont think anyone could possibly question his work ethic or smarts vs gimpery, but just saying physically he looks like a raw first or 2nd year player not one thats been in the system for 4 years.
he was very tall and skinny when drafted
what were you expecting lebron james?
hence he was a later pick and a 'risk'
hes going ok was never going to b wayne carey b y now
wow what a surprise bents runs in like a mother hen defending her chicks at the slightest hint of criticism. no one said they expect him to be wayne carey by now and no one said they were expecting Lebron James.
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I personally think he should be given the next 6 weeks to just go for it. Give him his head a little and let's see what happens. Getting 3 or 4 weeks can't be great for his confidence or willingness to take a few risks.
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Don't think he's the answer but would keep him for another couple years given we have no kpf stocks after we see the end of vickery at seasons end. And maybe McBean will come good in that time. If not see ya later
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Does he present well for marks? Too slow, or can't break free of defenders? I just couldn't tell, he competes well in the mauls but never seems to present much of a lead. Might watch the games again, he was hard to spot..lol
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Does he present well for marks? Too slow, or can't break free of defenders? I just couldn't tell, he competes well in the mauls but never seems to present much of a lead. Might watch the games again, he was hard to spot..lol
Well we were playing one of the better teams, hopefully we will see more of him when we play some of the weaker teams
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Doesn't provide much defensive pressurre in the forward 50 but works 10 x harder than Vickery elsewhere....no doubt Ty will come back next week after his "decent" match today (i.e. less than shyte)but it really should be for Griffiths or Hamspud(seriously don't give a toss about hit outs at this point) who were both abysmal, not McBean...will be a joke otherwise...
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Doesn't provide much defensive pressurre in the forward 50 but works 10 x harder than Vickery elsewhere....no doubt Ty will come back next week after his "decent" match today (i.e. less than shyte)but it really should be for Griffiths or Hamspud(seriously don't give a toss about hit outs at this point) who were both abysmal, not McBean...will be a joke otherwise...
I thought McBean competed pretty well today. Got his hands on the footy but just dropped a few that he will take with more game time and experience IMO.
If he could only convert when he gets his opportunities he wouldn't have to worry about holding his spot in the side.
Keep playing him.
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Sorry but won't make it.
I hope he proves me wrong though.....
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Too slow, too weak and isn't a dead eye in front of goal.
Sorry but surely there are better options running around local leagues than McBean. Is miles away from it IMO
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Sorry but won't make it.
I hope he proves me wrong though.....
No need to be sorry :cheers
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Already has Tigeritis. This guy is doomed forever to be just another former Richmond FC hack. It's too late for him now with us, we should trade him now if there's any hope for him maybe there's a club that can help him but I think it's probably too late.
Poor bastard.
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Was a fan of Liam
But will never ever make it
The leap from VFL to AFL is to great for him
Back to Aberfeldie in 2017 I say
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We sure can pick em aye :banghead
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Not an ounce of intensity, has to want to take his opportunity. I'm afraid to say that there is very good reason as to why he's been in the twos for so many years
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No goals again.
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Pity missed a really gettable goal. Kicking to him was atrocious. Most of the time had two or three hawks around him.
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Still needs to stay in, give him time.
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Showed a bit IMHO
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na stuff him off. i mean he has had 7 years in the seniors like the girl griffiths and old man vickery.
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Pity missed a really gettable goal. Kicking to him was atrocious. Most of the time had two or three hawks around him.
Looks nervous. At 21/22 years of age and playing a brace of games he should be just cracking in and enjoying himself.
I'm not sure if it him or the coaching team but it's sad to watch.
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Keep him in for the rest of the year, nothing to lose
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felt he showed a bit yesterday. Is not being utilised correctly
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Pity missed a really gettable goal. Kicking to him was atrocious. Most of the time had two or three hawks around him.
Looks nervous. At 21/22 years of age and playing a brace of games he should be just cracking in and enjoying himself.
I'm not sure if it him or the coaching team but it's sad to watch.
Wonder if the fact it was the last of his "guaranteed" matches had anything to do with the misses? Was clearly more desperate around the ground.
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Showed a bit IMHO
Only because he's one of your favourites. Chaplin has showed more than him in the forward line
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McBean needs to be given a real go, hate to go on about it but if he had been given the same run as Daniher he would have gained a lot more experince. It is bad development strategy to keep a player u the system for 4 years and only give him 6 games for a decision.
IMHO he is a keeper for another season and play him. If is no good drafting kids then never playing them. In addition he needs to be coached, mentored and developed. I woul love to know if tgese and in fact all our players have KPI's which are constantly monitored, evaluated and modified
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Showed a bit IMHO
Only because he's one of your favourites. Chaplin has showed more than him in the forward line
Not really.
I just think he has been mismanaged like the other plethora of Dimmas handy work
I am in favor of giving people that MIGHT be ok a chance, or at least a somewhat fair shot
I am against proven list blockers
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I've seen enough. Playing like a cardboard cut out .
Replace with Chol asap.
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What's with big guys who play like scared midgets ?
Gotta be imbeciles.
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I've seen enough. Playing like a cardboard cut out .
Replace with Chol asap.
From what Ive seen from both, Id go Chol easily
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Agree Chol must be given a go.
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Simply not hard enough and can't take a pack mark. Skills are brilliant but not as a key forward
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I honestly thought he was OK.
I want to see him play a couple more games at least.
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We're that poo that we can't even fake boost his trade value by letting him kick some cheapies.
5 goals for the game and the ball kicked back and forth from Rance, Grimes and Vlaustin doesn't give the forwards much hope.
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Gets mugged too easily but he still does some cunning poo when you think he has been beaten. He manages to sneak a deft mitt out to tap the ball to advantage when getting pack mauled, just little things that show he has some good awareness, and smarts...just needs some stuffing meat on his bones to hold his own.
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Gets mugged too easily but he still does some cunning poo when you think he has been beaten. He manages to sneak a deft mitt out to tap the ball to advantage when getting pack mauled, just little things that show he has some good awareness, and smarts...just needs some stuffing meat on his bones to hold his own.
Well said Owl.
But some in here would prefer to watch BEllis run around and get 30 pointless sideways kicks.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol at Dimma being right all along that he needed more time.
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Gotta keep playing him.
Has never been my cup of tea as a fwd so to speak. Even if he had size and more strength he just doesnt project as an aerial player.Just my opinion but at 200cm fwd he needs to be far better than average in the air.
I still think we hang onto him and actually develop him as a defender.
With Chaplin, McKenzie retired and likely Vickery going we can not afford to cut or lose any more talls this year.
Also it seems with Elton they are now reverting back to him being a fwd if this is the case we bloody need tall defenders as badly as the human body needs a heart or more relevant B Ellis.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol at Dimma being right all along that he needed more time.
Can you be sure he would've played the same if these games had been say his 23rd-25th instead of his 3rd-5th?
His best game was arguably his debut v Collingwood over a year ago....what if he'd been kept in instead of dropped straight away and only bought back for the Essendon match two weeks later to play on Fletcher in his 400th, then dropped again?
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Dude's still only 21.
He's a baby in KPP terms.
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Dude's still only 21.
He's a baby in KPP terms.
exactamundo Willy, He is the sort of player clubs target, we draft him and because he isn't a superstar immediately, leave him in the VFL.
everyone knows these tall blokes take a while to develop if ever. So another club can pick him up after our 4 years of development.
If he was on another list we would probably be having a go at him ourselves.
IMHO Hardwick should be taken right away from list management, as decisions he makes now will not be relevant as he won't be there after next year.
Liam needs to be kept and played. He is not costing us a fortune and his upside is pretty good.
He does a lot of 1% stuff off the ball and in the contest that Vickery probably doesn't even see.
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yep, does some clever stuff, needs a good feed or two
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yep, does some clever stuff, needs a good feed or two
Needs to nail shots from 30m out. He is only a forward. He is there to kick goals or at least create goals for others.
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Dude's still only 21.
He's a baby in KPP terms.
exactamundo Willy, He is the sort of player clubs target, we draft him and because he isn't a superstar immediately, leave him in the VFL.
everyone knows these tall blokes take a while to develop if ever. So another club can pick him up after our 4 years of development.
If he was on another list we would probably be having a go at him ourselves.
IMHO Hardwick should be taken right away from list management, as decisions he makes now will not be relevant as he won't be there after next year.
Liam needs to be kept and played. He is not costing us a fortune and his upside is pretty good.
He does a lot of 1% stuff off the ball and in the contest that Vickery probably doesn't even see.
Needs at least a couple of years in the seniors before we make a call.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol at Dimma being right all along that he needed more time.
You reckon
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yep, does some clever stuff, needs a good feed or two
Needs to nail shots from 30m out. He is only a forward. He is there to kick goals or at least create goals for others.
absolutely, fair point. He is usually a good kick for goal, needs to shake off the nerves in the big leagues. Games/experience will give him the confidence.
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I think he has promise as ruck as well....maybe not a first ruck but at least as an upgrade on what Griffiths and Vickery offer in that role....which wouldn't be hard....
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sheesh they would knock him into next week as a ruck atm
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At first yes...and he'll require a rigorous pre-season or two of being trained up in the role.... .but Vickery still gets brushed aside now (when he's not trying to avoid contact altogther that is) and he's already shown more glimpses of ability and guts in the ruck in his 5 minutes there than Vickery has in 8 years.....
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yep, does some clever stuff, needs a good feed or two
Needs to nail shots from 30m out. He is only a forward. He is there to kick goals or at least create goals for others.
absolutely, fair point. He is usually a good kick for goal, needs to shake off the nerves in the big leagues. Games/experience will give him the confidence.
Wise words Owl :thumbsup
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I am still hanging out for this guy can come good so we can make Jack and the Bean puns
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I am still hanging out for this guy can come good so we can make Jack and the Bean puns
Yep, me too! Especially when Jack & the Bean Stalk play the Giants ... ooh ... its this week! :clapping
Its all coming together now ... ;D
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I am still hanging out for this guy can come good so we can make Jack and the Bean puns
Yep, me too! Especially when Jack & the Bean Stalk play the Giants ... ooh ... its this week! :clapping
Its all coming together now ... ;D
A :cheers
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:lol clowns
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I am still hanging out for this guy can come good so we can make Jack and the Bean puns
Yep, me too! Especially when Jack & the Bean Stalk play the Giants ... ooh ... its this week! :clapping
Its all coming together now ... ;D
:lol :clapping
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Be interesting to see where he is at in another 4 weeks.
Back in the VFL I reckon :rollin :rollin
Seriously, they've said he will get 3-4 weks guaranteed, so he has 2 more guwranteed weeks to show / do something
I was being a tad :sarcasm when i posted the above
But struth I was right :lol
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Another ruined player at the RFC. Is anyone really surprised. We either can pick duds or we are really good at deskilling any player with an ounce of potential that's not to say I didn't laugh when I first saw McBean and I wasn't expecting him to make it because a player like him needs a real good development program.
Poor bastard was probably an ok player and at a good club may have forged a good career for himself and that club probably might of had some success too but unfortunately for him he was picked by our man Betamax and his career ended before it even started. :rollin
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Be interesting to see where he is at in another 4 weeks.
Back in the VFL I reckon :rollin :rollin
Seriously, they've said he will get 3-4 weks guaranteed, so he has 2 more guwranteed weeks to show / do something
I was being a tad :sarcasm when i posted the above
But struth I was right :lol
#tickets
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Got a fair go over 3 games. Showed bugger all AFL qualities and deserved to be dropped
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Yes best we give Vickery a fair go now....116 games to show he has AFL qualities hasn't been nearly enough....
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I don't know if I should say this but...
Vickery has shown more AFL qualities than McBean
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With 4 more seasons & 111 more matches under his belt, you'd want him to....
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Send Bean to Steven Dank before someone shoots him in the head again.
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I don't know if I should say this but...
Vickery has shown more AFL qualities than McBean
A contender for most stupid comment of the week. Congrats!
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Send Bean to Steven Dank before someone shoots him in the head again.
Dank or Bean?
Should Liam's nick be Mister?
Did he go "her, her,her" in a low tone of laughter when he was dropped?
Did he get dropped because he wouldn't let Dimma play with Teddy?
Looks to the sky, Rubs chin
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I don't know if I should say this but...
Vickery has shown more AFL qualities than McBean
A contender for most stupid comment of the week. Congrats!
No contest, outright winner
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I don't know if I should say this but...
Vickery has shown more AFL qualities than McBean
A contender for most stupid comment of the week. Congrats!
Care to elaborate on what AFL standard qualities McBean has shown? Otherwise my comment stands and your comment is just a personal attack
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Think Liam at least tries and leads up
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Well that's it then
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I don't know if I should say this but...
Vickery has shown more AFL qualities than McBean
A contender for most stupid comment of the week. Congrats!
Care to elaborate on what AFL standard qualities McBean has shown? Otherwise my comment stands and your comment is just a personal attack
He's played 5 games @ 202 cm, 21 years old
How many coleman medals did you want by now ?
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wow, just wow
is there any different language he could use where you actually understand what was asked?
:lol
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wow, just wow
is there any different language he could use where you actually understand what was asked?
:lol
Yep not sure how Stalin comes to that conclusion. It's things like that that assures me he wears his tin foil hat to bed
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Yiddish preferably
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Hang on I know a Yid word, Schlong.
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The premise to yr question is stupid.
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please explain why asking what afl atributes a player has is stupid?
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Would think you should be asking that of all players, before they are even drafted. What's the point of the draft combine and under 18's competition?
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Would think you should be asking that of all players, before they are even drafted. What's the point of the draft combine and under 18's competition?
For FJ to get his degree in arboriculture :shh
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Would think you should be asking that of all players, before they are even drafted. What's the point of the draft combine and under 18's competition?
For FJ to get his degree in arboriculture :shh
Yet he still can't see the forest for the trees
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“IT'S RIDICULOUS”: WHY IS FORMER TIGER NOT ON AN AFL LIST?
Former North Melbourne player and current Glenelg forward Lachie Hosie finds it “ridiculous” that AFL clubs haven’t been showing much interest in teammate Liam McBean.
McBean has been on fire in the SANFL since his delisting from Richmond at the end of 2016, winning the past three Ken Farmer Medals for the league’s leading goalkicker.
The key forward struggled for selection during his time at Punt Road, earning five games and kicking one goal. However, McBean is a proven goalkicker at state league level and according to Hosie he should be on an AFL list.
“I pinch myself every time I get to play with someone that has the calibre of talent that Liam has,” Hosie told SEN SA Breakfast.
“Three Ken Farmer Medals in a row, you don’t really hear of that much at all. Whether or not he should be playing AFL? I definitely think that he should be on a list.
“It’s ridiculous how people haven’t been showing more interest in him but I know for a fact that he’s very happy playing at the Glenelg footy club and being around us at the moment.
“He can’t wait to taste some success and I can’t wait to taste it with him. It would be really good to share something special with him.”
McBean became the first player in a decade to win three consecutive Ken Farmer Medals after kicking 51 goals in 2021 to top the table.
The 27-year-old kicked a bag of five on four occasions this season which included a season-high haul of seven goals against Central District.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/15/its-ridiculous-why-is-former-tiger-not-on-an-afl-list/
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Yes! Bring back the Beanie! #whitechol :bow :clapping :gotigers
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Would love to see him back at rfc
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Would love to see him back at rfc
Why?
He was delisted for a reason
Great at either VFL or SANFL level but no AFL
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Hawthorn should pick him up. They deserve to start 1 player down each week.
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“IT'S RIDICULOUS”: WHY IS FORMER TIGER NOT ON AN AFL LIST?
Alex Johnstone
SEN
11 May 2022
Former North Melbourne player and current Glenelg forward Lachie Hosie finds it “ridiculous” that AFL clubs haven’t been showing much interest in teammate Liam McBean.
McBean has been on fire in the SANFL since his delisting from Richmond at the end of 2016, winning the past three Ken Farmer Medals for the league’s leading goalkicker.
The key forward struggled for selection during his time at Punt Road, earning five games and kicking one goal. However, McBean is a proven goalkicker at state league level and according to Hosie he should be on an AFL list.
“I pinch myself every time I get to play with someone that has the calibre of talent that Liam has,” Hosie told SEN SA Breakfast.
“Three Ken Farmer Medals in a row, you don’t really hear of that much at all. Whether or not he should be playing AFL? I definitely think that he should be on a list.
“It’s ridiculous how people haven’t been showing more interest in him but I know for a fact that he’s very happy playing at the Glenelg footy club and being around us at the moment.
“He can’t wait to taste some success and I can’t wait to taste it with him. It would be really good to share something special with him.”
McBean became the first player in a decade to win three consecutive Ken Farmer Medals after kicking 51 goals in 2021 to top the table.
The 27-year-old kicked a bag of five on four occasions this season which included a season-high haul of seven goals against Central District.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/15/its-ridiculous-why-is-former-tiger-not-on-an-afl-list/
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We need a forward for insurance. We don’t have anything there in the VFL.
If he’s the best option we should get him in the mid season draft for sure.
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Wasn’t one of the issues which lead to his delisting was that he would skip meals even though the club had a plan for him and as such me never put on the bulk required to really be competitive at AFL level?
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Liam McBean has been named SA state captain.
https://sanfl.com.au/league/news/liam-mcbean-named-west-end-state-captain/
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Is he just playing at his level?
Or did we stuff up with him?
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Is he just playing at his level?
Or did we stuff up with him?
IMESHO 👇
Would love to see him back at rfc
Why?
He was delisted for a reason
Great at either VFL or SANFL level but not AFL
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Is he just playing at his level?
Or did we stuff up with him?
Personally don't think he had the work ethic to make AFL level
Was clearly always very talented and probably above the level of SANFL.
Maybe he's changed but i doubt it
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Things can change though, especially with big blokes.
Might be worth a look.
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Yeah, it's been a while. He's worth a go for someone