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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: mightytiges on April 25, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
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I hope all the diggers are having an enjoyable day in the sunshine :clapping.
Especially best wishes to my Uncle Stan who is now 90 and went to the march today.
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Was up at 3.30 this morning to get to the Dawn Service at the Shrine. Massive crowd, biggest I've seen!
Enjoyed the "Gun Fires" breakfast
Then marched in honour of my Grandpa who served in France for 4 years (WW1)
It is a special day, words don't do it justice.
Thank you Grandpa
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War
Empire
The queen
:clapping
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Medals
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Abuse or opinion?
National identidy. War. Division.
Why has it shifted from respect for the fallen to defining a nation, over the past 20 years?
Respect to the diggers. They were fighting for a better world, not a smoke and mirrors world.
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salute :cheers
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Abuse or opinion?
National identidy. War. Division.
Why has it shifted from respect for the fallen to defining a nation, over the past 20 years?
Respect to the diggers. They were fighting for a better world, not a smoke and mirrors world.
Except nothing in this thread was about any of those things and was indeed just people respecting the fallen and their own relatives, so there was no need for people to come in and pee all over it with irrelevent political crap.
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Abuse or opinion?
National identidy. War. Division.
Why has it shifted from respect for the fallen to defining a nation, over the past 20 years?
Respect to the diggers. They were fighting for a better world, not a smoke and mirrors world.
Except nothing in this thread was about any of those things and was indeed just people respecting the fallen and their own relatives, so there was no need for people to come in and pee all over it with irrelevent political crap.
ANZAC day is political. If it was just about respecting the fallen, there wouldnt be the whole 'the day that defined a nation crap'.
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ANZAC day is political. If it was just about respecting the fallen, there wouldnt be the whole 'the day that defined a nation crap'.
I would argue strongly that it isn't political. Not sure how the Dawn Service is anything other than respecting and commemorating our fallen and by obvious extension our history? The two are linked.
The actions of those before us actually do define us, the good and the bad. It's called history. Our history defines us as a nation.
Have you ever been to a Dawn Service Dooks?
I would encourage everyone to do it at least once because it really teaches you lot. One of today's speakers gave the most moving speeches I've heard at the service. For me it explained perfectly why we as nation respect/revere ANZAC day the way we do and how it actually has defined us.
Not going to go into detail of what was said but if people can get a copy of it or it ends up on you-tube read/watch it. Just call it the perfect lesson
But at the end of the day (ironically ;)), each to their own.
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Abuse or opinion?
National identidy. War. Division.
Why has it shifted from respect for the fallen to defining a nation, over the past 20 years?
Respect to the diggers. They were fighting for a better world, not a smoke and mirrors world.
Except nothing in this thread was about any of those things and was indeed just people respecting the fallen and their own relatives, so there was no need for people to come in and pee all over it with irrelevent political crap.
ANZAC day is political. If it was just about respecting the fallen, there wouldnt be the whole 'the day that defined a nation crap'.
All sides of politics are equally guilty of trying to hijack the day to promote their own agendas. Sort of thing happens in most countries. Some venerate, some denigrate, they all exaggerate - the rest of us just remember, which was clearly the point of this thread.
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Patriotism is the last refugee of the scoundrel ...
And yet I love this state and I would die in the defence of it by Asians (china/Koreanorf/indonesia) or US (we are already an american state since jap bombing on darwin) in an open war
However - using ww1 and the boar war - to justify the "diggers" that have invaded the Middle East in recent times , a one sided battle with no end with historical war is poor form
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He's not well and he lives in a nursing home but my 91 y.o. Uncle Stan was determined to make it to the march today which is obviously important to him. For him and the diggers themselves, they want to be there for their mates that didn't come home and the ones they've lost since. For my uncle, it was also to pay respect to his late father and late brothers who also served. Despite the rain, I hope all the diggers had a good day :).
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He's not well and he lives in a nursing home but my 91 y.o. Uncle Stan was determined to make it to the march today which is obviously important to him. For him and the diggers themselves, they want to be there for their mates that didn't come home and the ones they've lost since. For my uncle, it was also to pay respect to his late father and late brothers who also served. Despite the rain, I hope all the diggers had a good day :).
thats great MT :thumbsup. I must admit i never gave it much thought when i was younger, but as you get older you do appreciate their efforts more and more
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I hope all the diggers had a great day in the sun yesterday. Good to see the Vietnam vets getting recognition at the front of the march this year.
Sadly, it was the first without my Uncle Stan, who passed away aged 92 in August last year. Especially hard on my cousins who would normally drive their dad to the march in the city. The number of surviving WWII diggers is dwindling with each passing year.
Lest we forget!
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I go every year to a dawn service with my 7yo daughter who has missed one and looks forward to it each year.
We will remember them.
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As always attended the Dawn Service
More significant now as my nephew is now serving in the army.
Lest We Forget
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Happy dead solider day
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I recommend 'war is a racket '
By (USA) general smedly butler.
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I hope the rain clears in time for the march and all the diggers have a great day.
Lest We Forget
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Vale James Aloysious ....The grandfather hero I never knew. Just one of the many good men destroyed by a senseless war.
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We will remember them
Had a really interesting RSL breakfast after the dawn service with an Indian historian and journalist. I didn't realise how involved they were at Gallipoli.
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I hope the rain clears in time for the march and all the diggers have a great day.
Lest We Forget
Rain didn't clear for the Dawn Service
But it doesn't matter. Solid turn out again despite the weather
Thanks Grandpa for everything you did and as importantly making it home
Lest We Forget
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I hope the rain clears in time for the march and all the diggers have a great day.
Lest We Forget
Rain didn't clear for the Dawn Service
But it doesn't matter. Solid turn out again despite the weather
Thanks Grandpa for everything you did and as importantly making it home
Lest We Forget
Great you can be proud WP
Lest we forget
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Great you can be proud WP
Lest we forget
Not ashamed to say I am very proud Damo.
I have a full copy of my Grandpa's full war records as well as the 13 "postcards" he sent home to my Grandma and family over the 3 years he was at war.
Fascinating reading and a massive history lesson
Can't help but be proud
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Sensational WP
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100th year anniversary of Villers-Bretonneux.
Lest we forget.
To all the diggers marching, have a great day.
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Well done to the Club last night for including the parents of Sapper Rowan Robinson in the pre-game ceremonies. Your heart just went out to them and their family.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-04-22/remembering-sapper-rowan-robinson
Hope all the diggers have a great day.
Lest We Forget.
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Numbers seemed down today at this morning's Dawn Service
But as always worth attending
Puts so much into perspective
Hope all diggers have a great day or reunions amd "Two Up"
Lest We Forget
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Numbers seemed down today at this morning's Dawn Service
They were blaming the Easter long weekend on the news. I thought it might have been for the first time in 5 years due to it not being the 100th anniversary of some event connected with WW1.
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Numbers seemed down today at this morning's Dawn Service
They were blaming the Easter long weekend on the news. I thought it might have been for the first time in 5 years due to it not being the 100th anniversary of some event connected with WW1.
We actually discussed the non 100th anniversary angle while we were enjoying the Gun Fiar breakfast.
Think that did impact as well
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Numbers were up significantly in the country
Woodend march (which was fantastic) has their biggest turnout.
HUGE crowd of thousands at the Mount Macedon service
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Numbers were up significantly in the country
Woodend march (which was fantastic) has their biggest turnout.
HUGE crowd of thousands at the Mount Macedon service
That's great to hear Damo
We have a family friend who sometimes attends the Mt Macedon service and she's said it's incredibly powerful & moving :thumbsup
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I normally go to the Kyneton dawn service with my eldest daughter, but we did the march in woodend for a change this year and it was very moving .. watching veterans fight out of their wheelchairs and march with family and friends and receive the reception they did was fantastic
Mt Macedon is meant to be an extremely good service .. this year the crowd was significantly up from what I’ve heard
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A very different Anzac Day this year without the public commemorations due to covid-19.
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The National Commemorative Service will be held from 5.30am AEST. It's being broadcast from inside the Australian War Memorial (AWM) in Canberra, and you can watch it live on ABC TV, listen on ABC radio, or stream on ABC's YouTube or Facebook feeds.
Victorians can catch the Melbourne Shrine of Remembrance service on ABC Melbourne and ABC Victoria Facebook pages from 6:10am local time and on ABC Melbourne radio from around 6:15am.
People are expected to gather in their driveways, on their balconies or at their front gates to "Light up the Dawn" about 6:00am.
Whether you're able to connect with the live broadcast outside or not, there are some important elements of an Anzac Day service to remember.
1. The first of those is the Ode, a section from a poem called "For the Fallen" by Laurence Binyon:
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them
2. The next element is to sound the Last Post, a bugle call used during the First World War (and earlier) to mark time.
3. After the Last Post, mark a minute's silence — this is to remember those killed and wounded in all conflicts.
4. The end of the minute's silence is marked with Reveille, another bugle call.
5. Then, hear the national anthems of both New Zealand and Australia — you can sing along, or even join in if you play an instrument.
What if I miss the dawn services?
From 11:30am AEST, tune in for a quiet moment of reflection including the Ode, the Last Post and a minute's silence.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-24/how-to-commemorate-anzac-day-light-up-dawn-driveway-services/12174808
LEST WE FORGET.
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So different this year
But we stood in our driveway, candle, photos of Grandpa and my nephew and a live stream
Lest We Forget
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So different this year
But we stood in our driveway, candle, photos of Grandpa and my nephew and a live stream
Lest We Forget
Well done WP
We will remember them
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Link for the live stream of the dawn service: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRpy5apViPQ
Lest We Forget.
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Honoured to be back at the Shrine this morning for the Dawn Service
Was one of the fortunate 1,400 who got a ticket
Lest We Forgrt
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Honoured to be back at the Shrine this morning for the Dawn Service
Was one of the fortunate 1,400 who got a ticket
Lest We Forgrt
How disgraceful limiting it to 1400
Who comes up with these ideas? Where is the logic in the decision making.
And the fact there was 75k at the MCG makes it even more ludicrous
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Honoured to be back at the Shrine this morning for the Dawn Service
Was one of the fortunate 1,400 who got a ticket
Lest We Forgrt
How disgraceful limiting it to 1400
Who comes up with these ideas? Where is the logic in the decision making.
And the fact there was 75k at the MCG makes it even more ludicrous
who else
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Nothing to do with the 'G. Sydney had similar restricted numbers for their dawn service.
There were 500 seated at the George Street end of Martin Place and a further 750 at the Pitt Street end. The inner sanctuary around the Cenotaph was restricted to 100.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/sydney-dawn-service-returns-to-normal-after-covid-forced-absence-20210425-p57m4g.html
All state capitals had small restricted numbers for their dawn services with the exception of Brisbane.
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MT
It has EVERYTHING to do with what took place at the G.
How can 75k be allowed to attend one public event and limiting the dawn services be justified. My problem is not the numbers at the G, the only thing better than 75k there would have been more than 75k being there.
My problem is the disgraceful limiting of numbers at the dawn services.
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MT
It has EVERYTHING to do with what took place at the G.
How can 75k be allowed to attend one public event and limiting the dawn services be justified. My problem is not the numbers at the G, the only thing better than 75k there would have been more than 75k being there.
My problem is the disgraceful limiting of numbers at the dawn services.
It was the RSL's decision. Which is why almost all other states had the same policy. The RSL encouraged people to attend local events or stay at home and watch the live stream instead.
Any ticketed event of any size needs to be manned which costs money. Unlike the AFL, the RSL is not a multi-billion dollar sports/entertainment business with thousands of paid employees/staff and should be spending its money on Legacy & helping surviving vets, etc. The RSL is also typically run by volunteers who are mostly old and seriously vulnerable to Covid. Logistical wise, it was practical for the RSL to host a ticketed event of small numbers at the Shrine.
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Will keep my comments brief on this
But RSL need put their hand up here and take responsibility here.
This all started in February and I have followed ever development since because of the significance of the Day to our family.
In February the Victorian RSL threw their hands up in the air and said it's all too hard and they cancelled the Dawn Service and the March. Their reckoning was they couldn't (perhaps wouldn't) submit a COVID Safe Plan for the 2 events.
It wasn't until an all mighty backlash because other states we forging ahead that the Victorian RSL decided to work with government and submit a plan. They submitted and it got approved
MT is correct about the financial side of things. The AFL and the MCC will spend what they need to get as many through the gates as they can. Simply for every dollar it costs to manage the crowds they recover and turn a profit. RSL isn't like that.
At service there were limited people checking and scanning tickets. Clearly, the RSL did indeed pay some people to do the scanning. At the parade assembly points it was same. They had representatives from the agency they used for the registering process scanning tickets and assisting with QR scanning for those who had registered before the March. I am sure the RSL had a budget but it would be nowhere near that of the AFL or MCC
Re the ticketing. Tickets to the service were available from 11am on Thursday 15th April. Due to work i didn't go on line until after 1pm. I thought we'd miss out but at that time there was still plenty of tickets available. So, yes we were very lucky and for that I know how fortunate we were being able to attend yesterday
I understand why people were disappointed with the numbers but at least there were services and marches across the country this year (except WA). And For that I am for one grateful
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To all the diggers - thank you and hope you all have a great day.
Lest We Forget!
ps. By the way, that was one stirring edition of the NZ national anthem at the 'G last night. The lady who sung it deservedly got a huge roar from the crowd at the end.
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Went to the Dawn Service at The Shrine this morning.
When we got there about 5.15am didn't seem to be that many there. When it was finished and the sun had come up and you could see the crowd I was genuinely staggered by the size.
Have to say the Governor nailed her speech it was brilliant :clapping
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Hope all the diggers have a great day.
Lest We Forget
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We will remember them
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Huge numbers today at the dawn service
Will admit I was generally surprised by the crowd.
Special one today, powerful words from all speakers.
Best "Welcome to Country" I've heard.
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Glad it stayed dry today for everyone. Hope all the diggers had a good day.
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