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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 27, 2015, 11:10:16 AM
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Welcome to Punt Rd, Mabior.
:)
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Mabior Chol
Player bio
Former club: Aspley
Age: 18
Height: 197cm
Weight: 80kg
Position: Ruckman
2015 Statistics
Games: 3
Goals: -
Avg Kicks: 5.7
Avg Marks: 3.7
Avg Hballs: 4.3
Sudanese-born tall forward who can play in the ruck. Left-footer who is quick and agile and a good user of the ball by hand and foot. Moved from Sudan to Queensland at eight years of age. Member of Brisbane Lions Academy. Impressed in the NAB AFL U18 Championships for Queensland.
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/CHOL-Mabior-2015.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker
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:clapping
very happy with this
(http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/countrys/zzzflags/sdlarge.gif)
i wanted Gach Nyuon but the drug cheats got him
this guy looks good too 8) (never seen him but at least hes black and tall)
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Well here is our ruckman......Good luck and welcome.
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http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/492185662-mabior-chol-runs-as-he-completes-the-20-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXmP7e7CPG%2BuUTSG8BzHqqnJThn6stO%2FLHnxbs2WficUUvNzqaZW5QTdcvImONFKaPw%3D%3D
not sure about the chicken-legs
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VIDEOS:
AFL draft prospect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdihMQ8EJZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXlE5gp1eZM
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Mabior Chol
DOB: 29/01/1997
Recruited from: Queensland Academy
Height: 198cm
Weight: 81kg
Position: Ruck/forward
What the Richmond recruiters say:
Chol has been a member of the Brisbane Lions academy for the last two years.
An athletic forward/ruckman who has mixed his football with the Queensland U18 squad, Lions reserves and Aspley, Chol’s football has really progressed in the last six months.
Chol and his family moved from Sudan, via Egypt, when he was eight years old, settling in Brisbane.
He took up the game shortly after, while at school, before entering the Queensland Talent Pathway.
He was a member of the Allies team which took on the AFL Academy on Grand Final day this year, and produced an impressive performance.
Chol then went to the AFL Draft Combine, and performed strongly, with an impressive 3km time trial of 10.55min, and finishing third in the country in the repeat sprint test.
He is very skilled by foot, and clean at ground level, and has shown an ability to play both in the ruck and forward. We will look to develop him in multiple roles.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/409283-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-11-27/rookie-draft-pick-30-mabior-chol
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More VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-11-27/rookie-draft-2015-mabior-chol
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45: Brisbane* – Mabior Chol
Height: 193cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 24/05/1997
Recruited from: Subiaco
Draft Range: 30-rookie
If you don’t know Mabior Chol’s well-publicised back-story, you know that he could yet be the Cinderella story of this year’s draft pool. One of eight from a Sudanese family, the Chol family fled Sudan to Egypt, only having to flee from there to Brisbane. Regardless, Chol has been a revelation since turning his hand to Australian Rules six years ago. He formed part of the Brisbane Lions academy where his extreme athletic profile, height and off-the-charts vertical leap meant he quickly adapted to rucking and has honed his marking game. Chol moves around the ground with ease, he has clean hands, a sense of timing and urgency and is really embraced by his teammates.
http://footyprophet.com/paiges-afl-phantom-draft-edition-two/
stop the boats? :huh
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This guy rocks, he will kill it if he settles in I reckon. I liked him better than Gach as an all round player. Stoked we gave him a crack.
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This guy is rocks, he will kill it if he settles in I reckon. I liked him better than Gach as an all round player. Stoked we gave him a crack.
:shh
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This guy is rocks, he will kill it if he settles in I reckon. I liked him better than Gach as an all round player. Stoked we gave him a crack.
:shh
hands like steel traps and legs like a giraffe
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runs like a cheetah
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smiles like a hyena
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Sings like Simba.
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Welcome mate!
Looks like this is our 3-5 year ruck project.
Just hope he comes good and that Maric/Hampson/Soldo + Vickery/Griffiths can hold down the position until he matures...
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smiles like a hyena
Geez, i thought you wrote 'smells' :o
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He could even play KPF as he is under 200cm! :snidegrin
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The only pick today that actually made any sense....though he's very close to his family so it would be just our luck to get a player who wants to leave and actually go back to Brisbane...
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The only pick today that actually made any sense....though he's very close to his family so it would be just our luck to get a player who wants to leave and actually go back to Brisbane...
I will make sure he doesn't com back across the border, if he is any good.. :snidegrin
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The only pick today that actually made any sense....though he's very close to his family so it would be just our luck to get a player who wants to leave and actually go back to Brisbane...
I will make sure he doesn't com back across the border, if he is any good.. :snidegrin
:clapping
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Nickname Bok?
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The only pick today that actually made any sense....
Actually I'll withdraw that, the three picks weren't too bad....was pleased to read Moore can play down back & in the ruck....Marcon fills the need for more mid depth (you can never have too much of that), would prefer he was 18-20, not 23, 24 next year....but suppose you're pretty much chucking darts by pick 48 in the rookie draft...probably better to go with a bloke that you know can at play least play VFL and will add something to the reserves side...
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I think they call him Macca at his club
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I think they call him Macca at his club
Yessssss. Welcome the Big Macca!!!
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The only pick today that actually made any sense....
Actually I'll withdraw that, the three picks weren't too bad....was pleased to read Moore can play down back & in the ruck....Marcon fills the need for more mid depth (you can never have too much of that), would prefer he was 18-20, not 23, 24 next year....but suppose you're pretty much chucking darts by pick 48 in the rookie draft...probably better to go with a bloke that you know can at play least play VFL and will add something to the reserves side...
moore cant play ruck @ afl @ 193 :(
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Eddie Murphy :shh
Congratulations though, I'd be really pleased for him if he could make it at senior level. :clapping
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The only pick today that actually made any sense....
Actually I'll withdraw that, the three picks weren't too bad....was pleased to read Moore can play down back & in the ruck....Marcon fills the need for more mid depth (you can never have too much of that), would prefer he was 18-20, not 23, 24 next year....but suppose you're pretty much chucking darts by pick 48 in the rookie draft...probably better to go with a bloke that you know can at play least play VFL and will add something to the reserves side...
moore cant play ruck @ afl @ 193 :(
He might at least provide some emergency cover if things got desperate, which wouldn't take much....not like we have an embarrassment of riches....
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Herald-Sun article from July about Chol and background ...
Maibor Chol’s family fled Sudan and is now a chance to be drafted
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
July 4, 2015 7:00pm
PLAYING tigee with his baby brother in the streets of Egypt, the racism and violence scarring Maibor Chol’s family came to a flashpoint.
A stranger emerged from the shadows and snatched Chol’s brother, leaving the Sudanese family petrified.
Chol remembers sprinting inside and alerting his parents to the kidnapper, who arrived armed with a stick and two metal bars.
Chol, who was just seven, tried to help but was too small and his parents eventually defused the situation.
After the confronting episode the Chols locked themselves inside their house for two days and ultimately the family of eight fled to Brisbane.
When Maibor was two, his family boarded a ship out of war-torn Sudan and headed to Egypt.
He remembers dining out on seafood on the vessel but the destination “wasn’t a positive place to stay”.
“It was really, really scary,” Chol said of the two years in Egypt.
“A lot of negativity and racism to black people. Mum and dad were finding it really tough and it was really hard for my family. To hear what happened to them, I feel really sorry for them.
“But they just put their head up high and worked really hard to try and get our lives back together.”
Chol, 18, has finished representing Queensland in the under-18 national carnival.
After arriving in Brisbane in 2005, he took up Australian rules six years ago and played in a winning school final on the Gabba that year.
He immediately fell in love with the game’s camaraderie and capacity to show off his raw athleticism.
After starting in the ruck, Chol is developing his craft as a midfielder.
“I really enjoy the running, the marking and taking the really big marks,” he said.
“I love taking the big marks, I love it. I took one on Saturday against Tassie which I thought was a really good mark.
“I climbed over one bloke — he was set up perfectly — and I took off.”
The man who drew Chol to the sport’s scaling heights was Sydney champion Adam Goodes.
Chol remembers watching Goodes on television and has since looked up to the indigenous superstar.
“He just caught me with the way he played,” Chol said.
“The way he leads out on the field, I thought it was brilliant so I followed the Swans and Adam Goodes will always be my idol.”
Chol has since signed his younger brother up to Auskick and his dad is a regular in the stands on game day.
He wants his brother to get the hang of the game and, in a dream world, follow him to the AFL.
The success of North Melbourne’s Majak Daw and Swan Aliir Aliir — fellow Sudanese players — showed Chol his vision was no pipedream.
“The first time I heard of Majak Daw it gave me a lot of confidence,” he said.
“It showed me this sport is not only built for Australian kids, but we can have multicultural players coming through.
“It gave me that little bit of motivation to work even harder and get up there with them as well.”
Chol knows he has a lot of improvement left but is committed to working hard at the game he loves.
“Footy means the world to me,” he said.
“My family would be proud of me (if I got drafted) and to help them out with their lives would be great.
“My mum would be in tears, dad would be really proud and even a couple of the family back in Africa would be really proud.
“But life is just really good now. Everything is settled, there’s no racism around here and everyone gets treated in the right way. I love it here.”
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/6c12c41523b7740fd4e425f38611bcaa?width=650)
Mabior Chol shows off his athleticism for Queensland at the under-18 championships. Picture: Colleen Petch.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-draft-2015-maibor-chols-family-fled-sudan-and-is-now-a-chance-to-be-drafted/news-story/ea20f41592d433c035650760c38d02ad
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could be anything this kid, has a leap like Michael Jordon and has hands like a venus fly trap. put some vfl games under his belt and look out :shh
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Owl already did that joke trolljangles - perhaps it's time for a new routine when people start pre-empting you....
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HALF
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Owl already did that joke trolljangles - perhaps it's time for a new routine when people start pre-empting you....
I don't read his material , too bad :wallywink
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Well thank god they got a ruck. Fingers crossed he has more game sense than Majak Daw, hopefully more like his other idol Goodsey.
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He goes good, I am flying his flag
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Seriously, this guy would be a headache up forward. Just needs to learn a few leading patterns.
And he came second in the repeat 30m sprints!!! A 198cm boy coming second in that event is incredible! :gobdrop
We now have the one, two and three ranked players from the combine in that event.
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Watched the vids. He can kick and mark but he trundles around like a young Jobe Watson used to. Hell have to pick up the pace. His handballs went astray a bit too. 3to5 year prospect might be really good. I doubt we will see him next year or the year after.
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Very long term prospect
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sure...and that's why he's picked up as a rookie...
no one is expecting him to come in round 1 and get BOG
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Isn't this the guy up on charges ?
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I see a winger until he fills out a bit! Born to jump, mark & run ... & run ... & run! Catch him if you can! Can always get forward from the wing & take marks too. Think of a young Buddy, only better ... :clapping
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Isn't this the guy up on charges ?
Lol. He's not Majak Daw Chucky!
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Isn't this the guy up on charges ?
Lol. He's not Majak Daw Chucky!
Oh that's good
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2015 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE LEADING PERFORMERS
Absolute standing vertical jump (cm)
Mabior Chol - 334cm
Gach Nyuon - 330
Jacob Weitering - 327
Andre Parrella - 325
Mitch King - 324
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 323
Jack Firns - 322
Matthew Flynn - 321
Callum Moore - 319
Eric Hipwood - 318
Absolute running vertical jump (cm)
Gach Nyuon - 362cm
Mabior Chol - 357
Jacob Weitering - 344
Andre Parrella - 342
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 340
Callum Moore - 340
Matthew Flynn - 339
Eric Hipwood - 338
Liam Jeffs - 338
Harry McKay - 337
Lachlan Tiziani - 337
Relative running vertical jump (cm)
Lachlan Tiziani - 97cm
Gach Nyuon - 94
Matthew Kennedy - 91
Mabior Chol - 90
Liam Jeffs - 90
Jordan Snadden - 90
Darcy MacPherson - 89
Blake Hardwick - 86
Hisham Kerbatieh - 86
Callum Moore - 86
Stephen Tahana - 86
30m repeat sprints
Daniel Rioli - 24.15 seconds
Mabior Chol - 24.30
Oleg Markov - 24.32
Thomas Glen - 24.46
David Cuningham - 24.51
Jordan Snadden - 24.54
Wayne Milera - 24.61
Will Snelling - 24.64
Liam Jeffs - 24.74
Luke Partington - 24.76
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-11/the-top-performers-from-this-years-draft-combine
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Eat poo
Gach
Ya drug cheats cunner
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Nickname
Manu chao
Or king of the bongos bongos
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The top three in the repeat 30m sprints all drafted by Richmond, one on the main list & two rookies! Good times! ;D
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The top three in the repeat 30m sprints all drafted by Richmond, one on the main list & two rookies! Good times! ;D
I believe some of our draftees last season like Menadue were pretty high up in these tests too ;D only a few have to make it and that should be a decent addition of speed in to the side.
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...and wasn't Broad's repeat sprint result at the State combine better than anyone at the National combine?
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Even big Reece McKenzie had a 20m sprint time of 2.87 sec which is elite. I think he was puffed out after 20m though! :shh
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Looks like someone has been watching "Top Gun".
:thumbsup
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Even big Reece McKenzie had a 20m sprint time of 2.87 sec which is elite. I think he was puffed out after 20m though! :shh
prob means they think they can build endurance but not speed. Prob is true too.
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Hope he makes it.
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Even big Reece McKenzie had a 20m sprint time of 2.87 sec which is elite. I think he was puffed out after 20m though! :shh
prob means they think they can build endurance but not speed. Prob is true too.
I just hope that they can kick, mark, handball at an elite level while running to the right spots and most importantly make the right decisions under pressure
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They only puck kids who can kick now and all appear to be able to mark it well but decision making at speed thats a trick.
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Very long term prospect
Very very long term project.Is he really only 80kg
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Very long term prospect
Very very long term project.Is he really only 80kg
Let's just say
He skipped leg day ...
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They say that I'm a clown
Making too much dirty sound
They say there is no place for little monkey in this town
Nobody'd like to be in my place instead of me
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Great story. Seems like a rough gem. If we can polish him properly we may have a pretty expensive gemstone. Seems like a genuinely nice guy too.
http://www.aflq.com.au/1-day-until-the-draft-mabior-chol/
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Will be back in Brisbane by June.... :shh
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Will be back in Brisbane by June.... :shh
Gee i hope not.
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Will be back in Brisbane by June.... :shh
yep i'm sure he will...we have a bye in round 13, in the middle of june...
he will go back home to visit family... :cheers
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Mabior's journey to the AFL ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-12-03/mabiors-journey-to-the-afl
* I started playing footy at the age of 12, at school first. We had a really good team there, went through to the final, which was played at the Gabba. I was amazed playing in a really big stadium. I was like, oh wow, why can’t I just join a footy club next year! So, I just took my footy there and I’ve never stopped playing it ever since.
* After playing for the World 18 (at the national under-16 championships in 2013), that really gave me a lot of confidence in my footy ability. And then, I got taken by the Brisbane Lions’ Academy and I never looked back. Just wanted to make it to the highest point I can.
* My goal for this year is to work really hard, get to know the boys very well, not just in footy but outside footy as well.
* I’ve actually gone pretty well [since arriving at Tigerland], better than I thought I would have, having to come as an 18-year-old to a football club, not knowing a lot of players. I think I’ve settled pretty well so far.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-12-03/mabiors-long-road-to-tigerland
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I've heard he is already commuting :shh
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(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/409283-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
:clapping
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I've heard he is already commuting :shh
Yeah, he runs there and back.
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VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-02-23/meet-mabior
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VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-02-23/meet-mabior
Impressive young man, I hope he makes it.
:thumbsup
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Awesome stuff.
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Nice vid
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His size, jump, speed are real weapons
Compliments jack in the fwd line
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There is plenty to work with that's for sure
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Damn right
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Wow ...
God bless this guy
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Wow ...
God bless this guy
Yep omg
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Chol-natanui
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Soldo better watch out.
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Chol can do some freakish things for a bloke of his size. As a number of us said last week, if we can polish his raw traits over the next couple of seasons as he develops then watch out. He's going to have a cult following at VFL level this year.
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Chol can do some freakish things for a bloke of his size. As a number of us said last week, if we can polish his raw traits over the next couple of seasons as he develops then watch out. He's going to have a cult following at VFL level this year.
And for the next 5 years
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I actually think he can be exposed to afl footy later this season. Yes he's skinny but the way he plays he doesn't have to be a unit, reckon he just lacks some conditioning, once he gains match fitness in the vfl I reckon he'll make great strides
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If he's good enough, he's big enough.......
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i was meaning dimma wont give him a go
like mcbean
cause dimmas is an hole
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i was meaning dimma wont give him a go
like mcbean
cause dimmas is an hole
Yeah I know, my post was in response to mightytiges post about the next couple of yrs
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mightytiges knows whats up with the Richmond FC bizarre selection policy
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Don't tizz off too soon find folks unlikely to see him for a couple of years in the ones
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Don't tizz off too soon find folks unlikely to see him for a couple of years in the ones
He offers far more than Chaplin or Hampson currently
And yet you are right
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Don't tizz off too soon find folks unlikely to see him for a couple of years in the ones
He offers far more than Chaplin or Hampson currently
And yet you are right
Would play ahead of those two plus Griff.
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Get some size and strength into him and he will be a very good player!
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Will be back in Brisbane by June.... :shh
I hope you are dead set wrong Dio! :pray
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Impressed by what I saw of him. I really hope he can make it at the senior level. Along way to go. Important not to place unrealistic expectations on him.
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That was the most exciting point ( behind) I have ever seen in a long time.
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Rohan Connolly asked Lade just before on SEN if he's glad Chol missed that goal from 5m out after that run, otherwise the hype-meter at Tigerland would've gone into overdrive?
Lade responded by saying Chol is actually playing a role for us at the moment and if he keeps doing that then he could be a chance to play round 1 :o.
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:o.
If you take bias out of it,
and go just on football
Chol is currently easy in our best side :shh
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:lol
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:lol
"your only as good as your last game"
compare Chol vs Chaplin last two games...
keep laughing chuckles
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:lol
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(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mabior-chol-of-the-tigers-leaps-early-on-marc-pittonet-of-the-hawks-picture-id512589136)
:shh
the guy on the right is like 'w.t.f'
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Rohan Connolly asked Lade just before on SEN if he's glad Chol missed that goal from 5m out after that run, otherwise the hype-meter at Tigerland would've gone into overdrive?
Lade responded by saying Chol is actually playing a role for us at the moment and if he keeps doing that then he could be a chance to play round 1 :o.
What he is doing is because of his height, leap and general agility he is demanding a similar attributed defender which he is moving out of the 50. This of course has the effect of allowing Jack a bit of space in behind, basically this will help to stretch opposition defences which will then additionally create a bit more space inside 50 for the likes of Dusty, Titch, Menadue etc. when they are resting forward.
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(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mabior-chol-of-the-tigers-leaps-early-on-marc-pittonet-of-the-hawks-picture-id512589136)
:shh
the guy on the right is like 'w.t.f'
Great pic!
It's a bird. It's a plane. It's Chooooooooooolllllllll!
Instant cult figure at tigerland!
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Geez! He nearly leaped out of his shorts! Its all pure leap too, not from getting a ride.
Soon he is going to clunk one of these massive hangers & THEN we will have a new cult figure at Tigerland! I can hardly wait! :clapping
Well on his way to being elevated to the main list ... :thumbsup
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Our serious ruck deficiencies will probably see him elevated by default regardless....
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Our serious ruck deficiencies will probably see him elevated by default regardless....
Not sure about Chol in the ruck, not sure if I want to see him wrestling with monsters just yet.
But what we do have is a tall forward who can run & jump like a gazelle! Or put him on a wing & kick out to him, let him mark & run ...& run ... & run! :clapping
He could be an absolute weapon going 3rd up at stoppages. Let Ivan/Vickery do the wrestling then the Big Cat can jump over the contest, he could be devastating at F50 stoppages! :clapping
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copy-> send to -> c:/spankbank/febtilsep
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mabior-chol-of-the-tigers-leaps-early-on-marc-pittonet-of-the-hawks-picture-id512589136)
:shh
the guy on the right is like 'w.t.f'
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That was the most exciting point ( behind) I have ever seen in a long time.
:laugh:
Same here ...
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That was the most exciting point ( behind) I have ever seen in a long time.
:laugh:
Same here ...
I loved the way he just put on the turbos when the hawks defenders were gaining ground running as fast as they could. He just then started pulling away again and that momentary look on their faces was gold!
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"I believe in miracles" sung by Hot Cholcate
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Did anyone else see similarities between Mabior and Lance Franklin as an 18 year old when he was running into the open goal (that he missed) against Hawks??
Just the way he moved and had a bounce, was eerily similar.
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:shh
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(http://donthatethegeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/download.gif)
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Chol charges into contention for Round 1.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-02/chol-charges-into-contention
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Mabior Chol a bolter for Richmond’s in Round 1 blockbuster against Carlton
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
March 3, 2016
SUDANESE rookie Mabior Chol has emerged as a Round 1 bolter for Richmond’s season-opening blockbuster against Carlton.
Punt Road’s newest cult hero has thrust his name into senior contention with two encouraging NAB Challenge showings against Fremantle and Hawthorn.
Chol, who fled war-torn Sudan for Egypt with his family as a two-year-old, only took up the game seven years ago after moving to Brisbane. But he has caught the eye with his athleticism and skill in his first months at AFL level.
Richmond assistant Brendon Lade, who stood in as senior coach for the club’s opening two pre-season matches, said he liked what he’d seen from the 18-year-old in a forward-ruck role.
“He’s got all the athlete traits you could want in a footballer,” Lade told SEN radio.
“We’ve got to keep reminding ourselves he’s only 18 years old (19).
“He’s playing a role for us at the moment in our forward line. And, if he keeps doing that, he could be a chance for Round 1.”
Richmond had set no expectations on the raw 198cm left-footer since nabbing him with pick 30 in the rookie draft, but Chol is forcing a rethink.
His numbers haven’t been prolific, but there’s been glimpses of brilliance in the air and on the ground.
Only the post stopped him from kicking an electrifying running goal against the Hawks, while his marking and crumbing snap against the Dockers drew praise from greats Jason Dunstall and Gerard Healy in the Fox Footy commentary box.
“He has been one of the stories from a Richmond perspective,” Dunstall said during the NAB 1 match.
“To see a bloke of that height be able to pick the ball cleanly up off the ground is a very good sign. He’s not just a kick-mark player.”
Chol arrived at Richmond after spending two years with the Brisbane Lions Academy.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mabior-chol-a-bolter-for-richmonds-in-round-1-blockbuster-against-carlton/news-story/8df703a43a626bd2fbf3dd91c3b8b535
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There's also an article in the Herald-Sun about Chol being now one of the five Sudanese kids on AFL lists and how this number will grow significantly over the next 25 years.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/majak-daw-led-the-way-now-new-wave-of-sudanese-talent-taking-over-at-afl-level/news-story/e1ebd199234ec175becd2978d5ddeb79
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Calm down - not ready yet by a long shot.
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You've got to have Chol
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Calm down - not ready yet by a long shot.
Latest noise coming out from the club is that they think he might be.....
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You've got to have Chol
I love the Chol
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No play Hampson
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He's probably not ready, but I can't help but get excited at the thought of him playing round 1.
Assuming Ty and Jack play, Marbior would likely get their third defender, who will either be an equally inexperienced kid or one of Carlton's vast array of potatoes. He could kick a bag! :shh
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We could watch big Benny G limp off injured halfway through the first quarter
Or
Watch this exciting Sudanese talent electrify the MCG
Either way we win by 100
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He's probably not ready, but I can't help but get excited at the thought of him playing round 1.
Assuming Ty and Jack play, Marbior would likely get their third defender, who will either be an equally inexperienced kid or one of Carlton's vast array of potatoes. He could kick a bag! :shh
Who gets deledio? Should run riot
Lennon, Edwards could get off leash too
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From what I have seen he is very raw but if used properly he could be an advantage. Unfortunately we dont have great depth in the small forward ranks whick ideally you need with a Chol type player, he has the leap to get the ball to ground if he isnt in a position to actually mark the ball. Could be a vital player in years to come if he builds a bit more bulk and strength.
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Majak Daw kicked 6 goals in his third game of AFL .
Unleash the Chol
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daws terrible
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daws terrible
Chris is
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Special mention goes out to big Chol for his behind the scenes walking down the steps on the latest Ty's Restaurant video...........champagne comedy :snidegrin
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daws terrible
Superb athlete who has no idea what he is doing on the footy field. If he could grow a footy brain he might win the Brownlow but he hasn't got one yet after how many years? 5 or 6.
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Chol / McBean / c moore
Should come in for Tyrone and Chaplin
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Yes....but he's........blick :-\
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Teach him a war dance and play chol aboriginal round
Chol showed more in 15 min preseason than Chaplin has last 3 years
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Teach him a war dance and play chol aboriginal round
Chol showed more in 15 min preseason than Chaplin has last 3 years
Chol said himself at a function recently he has a lot of long way to go and is still learning the game
He also said he needs to find consistentcy with his game
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Teach him a war dance and play chol aboriginal round
Chol showed more in 15 min preseason than Chaplin has last 3 years
Chol said himself at a function recently he has a lot of long way to go and is still learning the game
He also said he needs to find consistentcy with his game
He's not going to say Hampson is a hack and he's a better option.
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He meant, he still trying to understand what that moron dimmer is telling them to do
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Give him a game for Vickery somehow.
Not like Essendon are full of star players so why the hell not.
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I reckon if he ran as much* as Vickery, we wouldnt be talking about his lack of tank. Runs his arse off and spends all his tickets without pacing himself. Is now blowing up usually in the 3rd qtr as opposed to the end of the 1st quarter in the preseason.
Give him a go!
*as little
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I'm very lucky to have Rancey around: Chol
Ben Guthrie
afl.com.au
November 17, 2016
RICHMOND was "buoyed" by rookie Mabior Chol's development in his first season, but the youngster knows he has work to do as he eyes more senior footy in 2017.
Chol impressed in three games during the 2016 NAB Challenge series. His raw talent up forward and in the ruck provided plenty of excitement for Tigers fans in the summer.
The 19-year-old began the season up forward in the VFL but was moved to the backline later in the season to further his education and improve on his defensive positioning.
Chol, pick No.30 in last year's Rookie Draft, made his senior debut in round 23 against the Sydney Swans and is keen for more opportunities next season.
"I actually found it quite an interesting year," Chol reflected to AFL.com.au.
"I've still got a lot to learn about the game and I need to start believing that I belong out there."
Chol sought out All Australian defender Alex Rance for advice in making the transition from the forward line to the backline.
The Sudanese-born Chol could not have picked a better mentor in schooling him up on the fundamentals of being a defender.
"I learned a lot from those three NAB games where my defensive positioning wasn't as good as what it needed to be," Chol said.
"From there, I took that (learnings) through all the training sessions during the year and just tried to learn a lot from the likes of 'Rancey' and Dave Astbury because of their physicality and positioning.
"I'm very lucky to have Rancey around me a lot of the time."
Tigers football talent manager Dan Richardson said the club would continue to give Chol opportunities in different areas on the ground, and not just settle him down in one position.
"Does he go back forward and is he better for his experiences as a defender? Perhaps. Does he remain more as a defender? It remains to be seen, as it's early in his development," Richardson said.
"The bottom line is the experience in playing in different roles is important for a young player's development. We were certainly buoyed by what he did (in his first season), but he's got a long way to go in that area."
Chol feels far better prepared for his second pre-season at AFL level, namely because he knows where he is at as a player and where he needs to improve.
"My biggest focus this year is to add a few kilograms and some muscle as well, so hopefully I can get a call up in a few games this year," Chol said.
"With pre-season training, I know now what's coming my way and it what it takes so I feel like I've prepared myself well for that."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-17/im-very-lucky-to-have-rancey-around-chol
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Have a look at the latest forward training vid on the clubs website and take a look at the good old fashioned screamer Chol takes :bow
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Have a look at the latest forward training vid on the clubs website and take a look at the good old fashioned screamer Chol takes :bow
Oh boy, wowee!
9.5/10 for mine, what a ripper!
Seems to have put some size on as well, good lad!
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Have a look at the latest forward training vid on the clubs website and take a look at the good old fashioned screamer Chol takes :bow
Oh boy, wowee!
9.5/10 for mine, what a ripper!
Seems to have put some size on as well, good lad!
Yep, checked it out too - Wowee! :clapping That's a serious hanger! :cheers
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Took one at training last preseason too right in front of me. Unbelievable leap. Just needs to get other aspects of the game together and get the belief that he belongs out there. :clapping
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Saw him play at Sandy game last year, did a lot of 1%ers, fingers crossed,
Plus l recall he was playing fullback?
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Saw him play at Sandy game last year, did a lot of 1%ers, fingers crossed,
Plus l recall he was playing fullback?
Must throw one of him or Moore in the deep end as a third tall.Wont happen though they will play for finals never realising it is mediocrity they will reach.
I have never understood the optimism people get from scraping into the 8. 18 teams 8th is very much a middling finish.If done with a whole heap of kids you have hope but when done with a pile of poo trucks it is middling at best.
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Saw him play at Sandy game last year, did a lot of 1%ers, fingers crossed,
Plus l recall he was playing fullback?
Must throw one of him or Moore in the deep end as a third tall.Wont happen though they will play for finals never realising it is mediocrity they will reach.
I have never understood the optimism people get from scraping into the 8. 18 teams 8th is very much a middling finish.If done with a whole heap of kids you have hope but when done with a pile of poo trucks it is middling at best.
On the money Claw, Dogs pulled an amazing win from 7th wasnt it?.
Top 4 is our minimum pass mark, until they get that goal sorted forget it. Winning 1 final from 7th...pffffft, means nada
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Even if we tried to make the top 8 playing "our best side" (Houli, Grigg, Hunt, BEllis, Hampson) we wouldn't get anywhere near it. I think 2016 proved that. Those players are all duds and have all played their best footy and just making the finals was the best we could do. And that was 2 years ago.
We need to find kids that can compete with the good sides, not just beat up in the poo sides. That's the difference!
Having a dud coach also makes things more difficult.
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Sydney built from the middle and scraped into the 8 how many times under Eade. A few before Roos took them all the way. I don't begrudge building from the middle philosophy, I wouldn't do it myself but it can work.
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what do you mean by building from the middle?
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what do you mean by building from the middle?
I think he means climbing the ladder but without completely bottoming out and playing kids.
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I thought he meant build from from the midfield and worry about KPPs later....did Eade do that? I can't remember, though either theory matches what we seem to be trying to do....
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The other possibility was build your list by improving your mid range players.
This is why i asked the question
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That's something we do need to do more...
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VIDEO: Mabior Chol update: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-02-09/mabior-chol-update
VIDEO: Chol's exciting preseason challenge: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-02-09/chols-exciting-preseason-challenge
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Chol charts rapid rise
richmondfc.com.au
Feb 9, 2017
Preparing for season 2017
“Pre-season’s been really good so far . . . The coaches have been really happy with the way I’m going about my footy. I remember last year, this time, where I was still fresh and didn’t know what to do, really. My biggest focus this year, so far, has been trying to put on some body size and trying to understand the game better. ‘Burgey’ (the Club’s Physical Performance Manager Peter Burge) has been helping me, especially with my endurance and running ability . . . trying to last in the game longer.”
Areas of improvement
“I’m just trying to impact the contest more . . . trying to be stronger at the contest and bring the ball to the ground, instead of getting outmarked. And I’m trying to play more to my strengths as well, and back myself . . . My biggest strength is jumping for the ball, and my second and third efforts following up. I think my contested marking’s really improved since last year, and my ability to stay in the contest. I’m working really closely this year with ‘Fly’ (VFL and development coach Craig McRae) and ‘Leppa’ (assistant coach Justin Lepptisch) as well. He’s been very handy coming in to the Club.”
Development at AFL level
“I think it’s been really good so far. I’m feeling much stronger when I’m out there, and understanding the game a bit better. I’ve still got a long way to go with my development, but I’ll just keep working hard on it.”
Moving forward
“Last year in the VFL, I played mostly down back, but this pre-season I’ve been playing up forward. It’s always good to kick goals . . . it’s something I really enjoy doing a lot. We’ve got a very young forward line, but we’ve also got Jack down here, someone with really good experience, and really handy as well.”
Striving to take the next step
“’Dimma’ (senior coach Damien Hardwick) has been telling me I’m not too far away. It’s just the little things that I have to get right. With my training standard, I’m trying to take it to another level . . . training like an AFL player every day. That’s something I’ve been working on. And, just the ability to stay in the game as well . . . not wander off.”
Aspirations for 2017
“My goal is try and play some pre-season games. That will lead me into the season, where, hopefully, I can get a few AFL games under my belt. I’ve been hearing a lot that it takes time for ‘talls’ to develop. But I want to push myself and not wait another two years to start playing (regular) AFL footy. I want to play AFL footy as soon as possible. Whatever it takes, to do with lifting my training, I’m willing to do that.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-02-09/chol-charts-rapid-rise
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Saw him play at Sandy game last year, did a lot of 1%ers, fingers crossed,
Plus l recall he was playing fullback?
Must throw one of him or Moore in the deep end as a third tall.Wont happen though they will play for finals never realising it is mediocrity they will reach.
I have never understood the optimism people get from scraping into the 8. 18 teams 8th is very much a middling finish.If done with a whole heap of kids you have hope but when done with a pile of poo trucks it is middling at best.
On the money Claw, Dogs pulled an amazing win from 7th wasnt it?.
Top 4 is our minimum pass mark, until they get that goal sorted forget it. Winning 1 final from 7th...pffffft, means nada
Thanks for making my point.
They did it with a whole heap of kids and none of their older players ( not that they had many 3/4 of that side would have been 24 and under) are what you would call poo trucks.
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Reaching the dizzy heights of 8th is a massive win for those running the club celebrated by extending the coaches contact
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Eye-catchers in JLT3
Ben Guthrie
afl.com.au
March 13, 2017
Mabior Chol (Richmond)
The second-year rookie seems to have made impressive development as he sets himself to play more senior football in 2017. Chol, who made his debut in round 23 last season, showed flashes of his talent in the pre-season last year before being given the year to improve his game in the VFL. Based on his efforts against Collingwood, Chol has taken some significant strides forward. Chol had just 12 disposals but was lively all game, flying for his marks, contesting at ground level and producing some really good moments. With two spots on Richmond's senior list available, Chol certainly pressed his claims to be included in the Tigers' side early this season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-12/liked-the-look-of-18-eyecatchers-from-jlt-week-four
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Chol to be in Tigers best 22 says Watson
By SEN
26 Feb 2018
Three-time premiership player Tim Watson believes a Richmond rookie could find himself in the senior team throughout the course of the season.
After Ben Griffiths’ abrupt retirement, the Tigers have been left with a key position forward hole, with Jack Riewoldt being the only established one on the list.
However, Watson thinks Mabior Chol could be able to fill the gap, after he showed signs of his continued development in the weekend’s JLT win over Essendon, kicking one goal and collecting nine disposals.
“Toby Nankervis got injured, and he (Chol) went into the ruck, which isn’t his natural position,” the former Bombers captain told SEN Breakfast.
“They’ve been talking about this kid for a while, he is a developing player.
“I think he has something and can fit into that side.
“He can play as a back-up ruckman at a pinch, he has great mobility, he can play forward and in the back line.
“I think by the end of the year, he will be in Richmond’s best team because of the flexibility he provides.”
Chol is on the rookie list, but falls in the Category A area, meaning he is eligible to play in round one under new AFL list rules.
The 21-year-old is quick and agile, and was used as a forward, backman and ruckman in the VFL last season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/02/25/chol-to-be-in-tigers-best-22-says-watson/
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Had a good game on Saturday.
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His game was my highlight. Got involved and attacked the opponent which was great to see. Just needs to build his running ability and when his confidence increases he will start clunking a few ;)
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Play him the ruck amd he gets involved more...who knew? :shh
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We must've been watching a different game. I don't get the hype
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As I said in the match thread, he still has long way to go and criticised his tank or lack therof.........but it was still a notable improvement on most his matches so far and was easiy the best of his 3 or 4 senior appearances...might even finally be going past McBean in real life and not just certain people's imaginations.... :shh
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We must've been watching a different game. I don't get the hype
Only seen replays of the game, but X2 on this comment.
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As I said in the match thread, he still has long way to go and criticised his tank or lack therof.........but it was still a notable improvement on most his matches so far and was easiy the best of his 3 or 4 senior appearances...might even finally be going past McBean in real life and not just certain people's imaginations.... :shh
Hope your right, heard what seemed to be a Richmond official call him a "Sudanese McBean" at a VFL game last year
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“I’ve been getting help a lot from ‘Nank’ (Toby Nankervis) and Ivan Maric as well . . . It’s been really good,” Chol told ‘Roar Vision’.
He outlined the sound advice he’d received from the recently-retired Maric.
“Just being really physical in the ruck, how to win my tap-out, and then playing to my strength once the ball hits the ground,” he said.
“So it’s been really handy over the summer and very excited to see what I can do . . .”
Chol also has turned to star key forward teammate Jack Riewoldt for goalkicking advice, and it’s already paying dividends with the 21-year-old splitting the big sticks from a set shot at Wangaratta last Saturday.
“With my goalkicking technique, probably my ball drop was the main focus, and Jack’s been really handy with that,” he said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-02-27/chol-on-the-charge
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Shame Jack doesn't follow his own advice, looks more shaky these days, was slotting from all angles at one stage in his career.
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More confident in Jack kicking it from angles then from in front these days.... :shh
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More confident in Jack kicking it from angles then from in front these days.... :shh
:shh
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For me the key for us is give Chol a position were he is involved continually maybe that forward ruck role.
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It's been tried in the VFL.
He just tends to zone out after he moves to the pocket - forward or back.
The penny just has to drop within himself.
Don't sweat it. He'll either realise when everybody else is getting a game or he'll disappear.
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That was the first half of his first year and I think he might've played there in the first few games last year...recall him kicking 3 or 4 in the first match v Sandy I think...we should've shown a bit more a patience and persisted IMO....even if he did look "better" down back ...too bad it doesn't seem to be the done thing in football orthodoxy to play genuine ruck/defender hybrids (can sort of understand why though).....personally think he has huge potential as a ruckman -whether he ever actually realises that potential- or is even given the chance to - is another matter entirely.... :shh
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Think he is a lump of poo actually
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Racist...
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Racist...
:shh
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Unfortunately wiith Soldo, Hamspud & and now Callum-Jones on the list I don't see him doing much ruck work this year....even Moore was used ahead of him last year and Miller can supposedly give chop outs too...he only really did it on Saturday because Nankervis was hurt...
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To much negatively give him a chance still developing let's wait and see.
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back off you jive ass mother stuffing crackers, Marbs is my man!
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Unfortunately wiith Soldo, Hamspud & and now Callum-Jones on the list I don't see him doing much ruck work this year....even Moore was used ahead of him last year and Miller can supposedly give chop outs too...he only really did it on Saturday because Nankervis was hurt...
I'd rather have Chol than hamspud any day and I think you're right Coleman-Jones I think will be our next big man.
I hope he does more to prove himself and he needs to do that before he can be given a chance IMO. He's only just turned 21 so there's a bit of time left for him to do that, but only a little bit of time.
So let's hope he can pull it all together and bring his better than best to the table.
Oh and why the stuff is hamspud still on our list, move on and make room will ya, FFS
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Chol survives the cut.
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Chol survives the cut.
Very lucky. Some good players out there who could have had his spot.
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If Chol's lucky then Soldo should by a lottery ticket.....deserved another chance ...and anyone who bothered to watch the first half of the VFL season would agree.... :shh
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If Chol's lucky then Soldo should by a lottery ticket.....deserved another chance ...and anyone who bothered to watch the first half of the VFL season would agree.... :shh
Sure, Soldo should buy a lottery ticket, but that is not the comparison I am making.
Good luck to Chol, I hope all our players make the grade. But given we didn't commit to him before the draft, the club obviously had some issues here, issues to which I am not privvy.
I am also not sure what role we see Chol playing in the future. There would lookt to be players ahead of him on our list as a ruck, as a KPD, and most likely as a KPF.
Lot of talent out there this year ready to do anything for a chance.
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Waste of a pick
Been there for 3 years and done nothing
And we thought Todd Elton was gifted , boy 😂
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Not happy
This guy is soft as butter
We need a backup
Gunna bite us on the Arse real soon
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Then maybe we should've rookied Jordan Sweet with our first pick instead of the poor man's Stengle meets third rate Lambert Wet Faarts... :shh
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Richmond ruck coach Ivan Maric provides an insight into the development of Mabior Chol.
Fourth-year development
"He plays such a variety of positions, he can play up forward, down back and in the ruck, and because of his ablility to pick the ball up really well off the ground he can do most things which is really exciting for Marbs."
Pre-season focus
"Playing as a key position player you need to play physical and you also need to be really fit to work up and down the ground, so those sorts of things are right up there with his priorities."
His best suited position
"I think his best position is a forward that can go into the ruck as a second ruckman. He's got some really strong agility and is pretty hard to defend at times. So I think pinch-hitting into the ruck, being someone like Paddy Ryder, and using that athleticism."
VFL round two performance
"We were really pleased. He was picking the ball off the ground and snapping, had some physical marking contests, and was actually going into the ruck and sticking his knee into the opposition ruck which was really good."
His personality and leadership
"He likes having a bit of a laugh out there...Marbs is a great guy and he's very enthusiastic."
Contested marking development
"It takes time, you've got to spend all those years in the weights room as well, which helps that, and builds that belief. I don't think he'll ever stop working on it, it's something that you need to continually train and practice and try to master, so he's on the right path."
Gym work and physical growth
"It's a fine line, you don't want to get too big because his agility is his strength, he needs to maintain that and he needs to be strong as well. He's got to find that balance between weight and strength."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-04-16/coaches-corner-mabior-chol
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:shh
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He did ok but his last quarter is the reason he still has a lot of ?????
He just gave up and didn’t compete in the contest. I saw him do this in the reserves vs north and he didn’t compete. I don’t like it. I find it unacceptable.
His good is promising and worth developing but his worse makes me never want to see him play ever again
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He does some weird stuff, falls over when tackling when he didn't need to, taking himself out of play when the ball was released, sometimes he looks like a praying mantis moving its arms around in strange mating ritual I dunno, gn all
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Still showed more in one game than Slomo has in twelve... :shh
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Done well I thought considering
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Played a decent game tonight I thought. A shame he didn't use his main strength and jump at the centre bounce and was too far back in throw ins but overall was solid.
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I thought he was ok.
Worth a few more cracks at it.
Never want to see Soldo again.
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Did some good things in the first half but definitely faded after 3/4 time. Almost felt like dimma rested him in the 3rd to compensate for his energy.
Agree with praying mantis comment.
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Played a decent game tonight I thought. A shame he didn't use his main strength and jump at the centre bounce and was too far back in throw ins but overall was solid.
He did a couple of times....we definitely looked better when he was rucking than when Balta was... :shh
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Has promise but has a lot of question marks.
My issue with Balta and now also Chol is that they are being developed as utilities without any clear direction on development. Are they a ruck, forward a combination, ruck/rover, wingman or even at times key back with Balta.
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Mabior was very good today.
16 disposals (13k, 3h, 8c, 8u, 75% eff.)
9 marks (2 contested)
4 In50s
2 Re50s
1 clearance
2 tackles
7 hitouts
1 clanger
3 goals
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Great game from Chol. He has a lovely kick for a big fella.
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Great game by Chol. Wow! Absolutely completely opposite to how I seen him play vfl vs north.
If he competes like this every week there’s no reason he can’t start every week.
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Should be first ruck next year....with Nank playing primarily as an intercept defender.... :shh
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Rising star number 3
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Mabior was very good today.
16 disposals (13k, 3h, 8c, 8u, 75% eff.)
9 marks (2 contested)
4 In50s
2 Re50s
1 clearance
2 tackles
7 hitouts
1 clanger
3 goals
Thought he was better than "Very good"
Thought he was excellent. Gave us so much more around the ground
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Amazing when you back in some youngsters and give them a few chances, they rarely let you down. If this guy can become mentally stronger he could be a very very handy player... :shh
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What a fantastic performance...his best game by a long way :clapping The bonus with this performance is Balta should now be groomed to replace Astbury ASAP :thumbsup
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What a fantastic performance...his best game by a long way :clapping The bonus with this performance is Balta should now be groomed to replace Astbury ASAP :thumbsup
Assberry had a pretty good game today
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What a fantastic performance...his best game by a long way :clapping The bonus with this performance is Balta should now be groomed to replace Astbury ASAP :thumbsup
Assberry had a pretty good game today
Was ok but I believe the end will come fast for him.
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I still think Balta should be groomed to be the next Grundy. His speed is a waste if he doesn’t play on ball
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Awesome today!
The question mark has always been his effort levels but he was chasing as hard as anyone today.
Beautiful kicking too!
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Hardwick agreed that Chol's three-goal performance was his most promising for the Tigers and said he ''has certainly got some talent'', which was why Richmond had been patient with the 200cm ruckman-forward's development.
"He's just got to learn to get the consistency of the AFL ... and I think he can be a player for us,'' Hardwick said.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-season-starts-now-says-hardwick-20190630-p522qy.html)
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I thought he was make it some said on here
Looks like he has the tools. Shown more than slomo vickery already
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I was very excited when we got him coz I thought he had some amazing athleticism and agility for a tall feller, Then I thought we were gonna get rid of him. I think he was suffering from the rules / tactics clogging up his instincts a bit. Hope he keeps going on this trend.
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Will do wonders for his self belief
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After 1020-day wait for game two, Tiger proves he was worth waiting for
July 1, 2019 4:38pm
James Halley
FOX SPORTS
It was the final round of 2016 when Mabior Chol made his AFL debut. He had to wait 1020 days for a second game; but now he’s proving it was worth the wait.
The Tigers knew when they selected Chol with Pick 30 in the 2015 Rookie Draft that he needed time. He stood at 198 centimetres, but weighed just 81 kilograms.
His debut against Sydney in Round 23, 2016 was very bleak. He managed just two disposals in a humiliating 113-point loss and clearly wasn’t at AFL standard.
This is the project player’s fourth year on Richmond’s list, and many externally were questioning why he was still at the club. But Tigers coach Damien Hardwick knew he had a special player on his hands.
“Marbs (Mabior Chol), we’ve sorta hung onto him because we’ve seen what he can do,” Hardwick said in his post-match press conference on Sunday.
Season 2019 has shown letting players develop in the VFL can help unearth stars. The likes of Geelong’s Gryan Miers and Essendon’s Dylan Clarke have completed successful apprenticeships in the VFL system before cementing their spots in their respective AFL teams.
Chol now could be to be the next breakout star following in their footsteps.
Since his draft year, he has hit the gym and added 10 kilograms to his frame. He now has the body size to compete with the league’s big men.
That has been shown in his improvement in the VFL. He is averaging 93 ranking points (above average for his position, per Champion Data), 1.9 goals (elite) and 7.6 contested possessions (above average).
These numbers are unrecognisable to the Chol of yesteryear who struggled with form and injury in his first three seasons at Tigerland.
He was rewarded for his strong VFL form with a call up in Round 13 against Adelaide; he was beaten by emerging talent Reilly O’Brien in the ruck, although he still showed a glimpse of his potential.
Two weeks later Chol vindicated the club’s decision to re-rookie him. Against St Kilda, he had a breakout performance, nabbing 16 disposals and kicking three goals.
“Today was certainly the best game he’s played,” Hardwick said.
“He’s certainly got some talent. I think we can see why he’s hung ‘round our footy club.”
Now the Tigers coach just wants to see Chol perform at a high level more consistently.
“He’s just gotta learn to get the consistency of AFL and what that is and what it looks like, and I think he can be a player for us,” he said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-mabior-chol-is-showing-why-richmond-kept-the-faith-after-a-breakout-game-against-st-kilda/news-story/6a122d158710a3956ae29b1f27e6a565
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Was pretty worried about him, showed little flashes but massively inconsistant.
Great game, can he maintain is the ?
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Really pleased for him. Good kick. Hope he continues to play like this.
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“After the game, I’ve definitely set a standard for myself,” Chol told ABC AFL Grandstand.
“I’ve just got to keep working from here. I can’t look back at anything now.
“It’s been a long journey for me, especially not playing AFL footy for about three years.
“I’m just stoked to be playing at AFL level now.”
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“The thing with ‘Marbs’ is that as long as he’s engaged and showing up, he’ll give himself every opportunity,” Cotchin told K rock Football.
“He’s got an amazing athletic ability, he can take a ‘clunk’, but I think what I loved most was when he chase-down tackled, then had the composure to go back and slot it through (for a goal).
“His ruckwork’s really improved as well.
“He’s got the spring to get his hand on the ball. That’s very hard to stop for opposition ruckmen.
“But he also snuck forward a couple of times out of the centre bounce and got involved that way.
“So his reading of the game is obviously improving every week . . .
“It’s a credit to him the way he’s continually adjusting and working on his game.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-02/chol-on-the-charge
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Sudan escape to Marvel Stadium: How Daw inspired Tiger Chol
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
July 3, 2019
New Richmond revelation Mabior Chol says Majak Daw’s inspiring story has helped him become an AFL footballer after escaping Sudan just like the North Melbourne star.
Chol made a spectacular impact in only his third AFL game on Sunday, kicking three goals as well as taking nine marks in a performance that won AFL coaches votes.
He said he was proud to represent the Sudanese community in every game he played.
Both Chol and Daw’s families left war-torn South Sudan through Egyptian refugee camps before eventually settling in Australia.
Chol regularly keeps in contact with Daw, who will return through North Melbourne’s reserves against Sandringham on Sunday.
Richmond young gun Mabior Chol sasy fellow Sudanese AFL footballer Majak Daw has helped him on his path.
“I am rapt to be playing at the highest level and representing my people and family as well,” Chol said.
“It’s great to have that belief that you can go anywhere in life. You can work hard and that will beat talent so for me after a lot of hard work I am here today.
“We know Aliir Aliir from the Swans and Majak is working hard on his rehab as well.
“All of us are proud to play at the highest level and represent our culture.
“We do stay in touch. He’s doing really well. I am just happy to see him training and running around and doing the thing he loves. He is doing really well.”
Mabior Chol kicked three goals as well as taking nine marks in a performance that won AFL coaches votes.
Chol was a late call-up against Adelaide before the bye but held his spot and made a huge impact despite Rowan Marshall’s impressive form.
With Marshall off the ground late in the contest he took the ball from the ruck and kicked the sealer, dining out on St Kilda’s communication breakdown.
“It was a funny one, the umpire said there was no ruckman for St Kilda so the first thing that came through my mind was grab it out of the ruck and take off.
“I know Marshy would be a tough battle all day so it was a good battle. I shared it with Ivan (Soldo) so both of us would be very happy with the way we played.”
The streak of peroxide in his hair is also attracting attention, with Chol revealing his teammates had pushed him to add a dash of wow factor.
“Everyone is saying Richmond or Collingwood (colours inspired it) but I don’t know. The boys were asking me, “When are you going to dye your hair and I said maybe one day” and pre-season came and I did it.
“My mum was happy with it and the boys were too so I think I will keep rocking with it for the rest of the year. There was no inspiration, I am just loving dyeing my hair and having a bit of swagger with it so that’s about it.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-mabior-chol-on-majak-daw-inspiring-his-career-and-what-about-the-peroxide/news-story/29cc97270418614535efa405864be9fc
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How things have clicked for 'Two Phones' Tiger
AFL.com.au
Sarah Black
Jul 6, 2019
FOR ALMOST four years now, Richmond fans have eagerly been tracking the progress of Mabior Chol.
Known simply as "Marbs" – or, as the club's podcast Talking Tigers calls him, "Two Phones" (self-explanatory) – something has clicked for the versatile big man this season.
Signed as a rookie at the end of 2015, the Sudanese-born Chol played his first AFL game in round 23, 2016, a thumping loss to Sydney at the end of a disappointing year for the club.
Mabior Chol celebrates his first win for the Tigers against St Kilda last weekend. Picture: AFL Photos
Athletically gifted, Chol then teased in the VFL, his high-flying feats and pace catching the eye but struggling to perform with enough consistency to break through for a second senior game.
That opportunity came nearly three years later against Adelaide in round 13, when after a career-best month in the twos, Chol was brought in to play as first ruck Steven Bradbury-style, as Toby Nankervis (adductor) and Ivan Soldo (illness) were unavailable.
With Soldo returning after the bye, Chol held his spot and forced the exciting Noah Balta to the VFL, kicking a career-high three goals against the Saints and impressing with his footy smarts.
Richmond VFL coach Craig McRae has worked closely with Chol over the past few years and can see how the 22-year-old has changed, particularly this year.
"Watching his growth from a skinny boy to what he is today, we're really proud of him and it's been quite a journey so far," McRae told AFL.com.au.
"I think there's been some significant shifts in Mabior's game. Watching him and coding his games as his coach, I've seen his growth particularly around his consistency of effort.
"His contest stuff has always been strong, but the ability to do it for long periods has been a bit of a growth opportunity for him.
"He's had some standout games at VFL level, that Dreamtime game we had against the Bombers at Punt Road (for which he won the best on ground medal), his performance in the ruck was quite exceptional."
McRae said Chol is now fully understanding what is involved in being a professional athlete.
"I was a bit of a broken record sometimes in the early days, saying 'Marbs, you have to prepare to play and train how you want to perform and train at a really high standard.'
"He did that, but could he do it for long periods? You have to argue this year, he's really got that part of his game right.
"What you see on a Saturday, he's been training that consistently, so it's just there for him, rather than stretching for that real dynamic effort."
While McRae says Chol is a "modern prototype" of a ruckman due to his ability to cover the ground, he believes the Tiger is best suited to a dual role, as seen last weekend.
"I honestly think he's got that uniqueness to play that forward-ruck role, there's not many that can do that. You look through the competition, and they're either a forward or a ruck, but he's got that capability and he's shown that.
"At VFL level, he was our leading goalkicker before he went into the AFL, so he was able to impact the scoreboard through his marking capability, but then the opportunity through the injury to Nankervis, he's been able to play in the ruck."
And the bleached strip through his hair?
"He loves the bling earrings and the colour. To be honest, I remember when he first got it done, I thought it was better than the grey tinge I've got going at the moment," McRae said with a laugh.
"I just thought to myself, it's an example of 'Marbs' being comfortable in his own self. There's nothing better than when an athlete, or anyone, feels really comfortable in themselves.
"He's a pretty easy read, the players like to be around him, he's just a happy, smiley guy. If he's not smiling, it's 'come on 'Marbs', what's wrong, talk to me, what's going on.'
"But he's been smiling a lot more lately, which is a great thing."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-06/how-things-have-clicked-for-two-phones-tiger
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Living in WA , I don't see any VFL so I just rely on you blokes .Obviously there's been a few negative comments made about Chol.
He just looks like a natural talent to me with real x factor. Could become this year's Townsend.
I would keep him in the side and drop Soldo when Nank is ready..
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Living in WA , I don't see any VFL so I just rely on you blokes .Obviously there's been a few negative comments made about Chol.
He just looks like a natural talent to me with real x factor. Could become this year's Townsend.
I would keep him in the side and drop Soldo when Nank is ready..
Talent is there; could be something special.
You probably worry about his ability to read the play/decision making in the clinches.
Personally I don't think he can make it as a ruck. If he gets a clean leap at it he's likely to win the tap, but around the grounds gets bullied.
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Chol mastering the art of giving back
Chris Cavanagh,
Sunday Herald Sun
14 July 2019
Given opportunities in Australia that his parents could only dream of, Mabior Chol is determined to give back.
Each week, the 22-year-old spends an evening in Collingwood with up to 15 teenagers of South Sudanese backgrounds to help support them and set their lives on the right path.
Sick of seeing headlines about African gangs causing trouble around Melbourne, Chol decided earlier this year that he wanted to step in and help a community close to his heart.
And as a Richmond-listed footballer with a story to tell, the youth Chol has been working with as an ambassador for ‘The Growth Project’ have hung on his every word.
“Something I’m really passionate about is giving back to my community and working with my community people,” Chol said.
“What’s been happening in the media lately with all the South Sudanese kids doing the bad stuff, I’m just trying to be a great role model to them and someone they can look up to and trying to help set them up on the right pathway.
“They’re all wonderful kids, very humble and respectful. But I think sometimes when people see them on the street they think, ‘Oh, they might be trouble because of their skin colour’. I don’t think anyone should get discriminated because of the skin colour or where they come from. Everyone can think differently but at the end of the day we’re all the same.”
Chol can relate to the youth he is working with.
He was born in South Sudan before his parents made the difficult decision to flee the war-torn nation when he was just two years’ old.
What followed was a stint in Egypt as a new life in Australia was sought, the family eventually granted visas and moving to Brisbane in 2005 when Chol was an eight-year-old.
“Mum and dad decided to move to get a better life because what was happening back home wasn’t really stable for my family and I,” Chol said.
“There were a few tough moments. We probably copped a bit of racism as well, growing up in Egypt. But I don’t think mum and dad worried too much about it. We knew we were going to get out of there as soon as we got out visas.
“I’m just glad to be here and having my family very stable and very healthy.”
Chol’s family is not small.
He is one of seven children, with four brothers and two sisters.
Family time is “pretty crazy”, but Chol relishes every opportunity he gets to head home to Brisbane.
“Being the oldest, I’ve got a lot of responsibility for my younger siblings and every time I go back home there’s a lot of joy spending time with them,” Chol said.
It was his first year of high school in Brisbane that Chol fell into footy.
The school football team was short on numbers and Chol fit the bill for the vacant ruck spot.
Before the call-up, Chol “didn’t even know the AFL existed”.
“They just saw the tallest bloke at school and picked me to play as a ruckman,” Chol said.
“I was lucky enough to play in the grand final at the Gabba and I thought, ‘This is pretty cool’. I think that’s what attracted me to play the game.”
Chol’s AFL career could have been short-lived.
A broken foot last year came just when he was on the verge of playing senior football with the Tigers on the back of some strong VFL form.
At the end of the year, the 200cm ruckman-forward was delisted, only to be thrown a lifeline when he was picked up again by Richmond in the rookie draft.
Having played just one AFL game before this year — in Round 23, 2016 — Chol will run out for his fourth game on the trot against Greater Western Sydney today.
Since returning for his first AFL outing in 1020 days against Adelaide in Round 13 he has grabbed his opportunity with both hands.
“He’s got some incredible traits that can make everyday AFL players look silly,” Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said of Chol.
“It’s managing to keep the consistency of his performance to the level he’d like that has probably been his downfall. But he’s worked incredibly hard, had a great off-season. He had an injury-interrupted year last year so that was probably cause for the delisting. But the reality is when he plays at his very best he’s a very, very handy AFL player.”
Chol lived with Hardwick for his first four months in Melbourne after first being drafted in the 2016 rookie draft.
He has since settled in with a host family and taken on an unusual nickname — ‘Two Phones’ — courtesy of former teammate Shaun Grigg and Richmond legend Matthew Richardson.
However, Chol says the nickname makes little sense.
He only owns one phone.
“They were saying I had this phone for the ladies and this one for the business,” Chol said.
“It was all a made-up story but it’s been interesting having that name.”
So does he go all right with the ladies?
“Nah, nah, definitely not,” Chol says with a laugh.
Chol does not like to think about where his life would be had his parents not made the decision to leave South Sudan when they did.
“I haven’t really thought of that too much,” Chol said.
“But I think personally and for my family as well, if mum and dad didn’t make that move I don’t think we’d have the opportunities we have now.
“My siblings and I got the opportunity to get education. Mum and dad never had that so they’ve really encouraged us to study. At the same time we’re trying to give back and make our parents proud.”
Giving back is the constant theme in Chol’s life and will again be on show today when members of his youth group form a guard of honour on the MCG as the Tigers run out for their ‘Many Cultures Festival’ match against the Giants.
“I’m just glad I have something that can clear my mind off footy and bring me a lot of joy, working with kids that I enjoy seeing all the time,” Chol said.
“I can’t wait to see the smiles on their faces when we run out this weekend.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-mabior-chol-on-south-sudan-giving-back-to-his-community-and-his-two-phones-nickname/news-story/88e1e0d7febe58b514f2e2e73e881a27
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How did we rate Chols game on Saturday?
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Given his age and size etc I really like what I see. Guy will be very competitive and physical when he's more developed and you can see he has real athleticism and footy smarts.
He looks knackered though. I wouldn't mind bringing in Nank for him if fit, or Balta also if fit. He needs a rest. Next year could be big for him...
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How did we rate Chols game on Saturday?
Looked completely cooked. Struggled at times to get to contests
Needs a break
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What rot - if Chol's biuggered then Slomo's ready for the knackery - half the reason he only averages seven touches a game is because he struggles to get from contest to contest... :shh
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How did we rate Chols game on Saturday?
Looked completely cooked. Struggled at times to get to contests
Needs a break
I thought he was good and far from looking tired.
I thought his chasing and pressure was as good as it’s been.
I really like what I’m seeing from big Chol as I really didn’t think he had much to offer after seeing him the previous years.
I think he and Nank will make a decent ruck team.
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I like what I am seeing as well but having just watched the replay my thoughts haven't changed.
Take a look at the 3rd (mid onwards) and that's what I am talking about. Got to the stage he wasn't jumping at ruck contests
The reason Choi looks spent and Soldo doesn't is in part because Choi is covering more metres. Would rather manage a kid with so much upside than a bloke who is a back up
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Slomo looks spent after running through the banner.....:shh
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I like went I am seeing as well but having just watched the replay my thoughts haven't changed.
Take a look at the 3rd (mid onwards) and that's what I am talking about. Got to the stage he wasn't jumping at ruck contests
The reason Choi looks spent and Soldo doesn't is in part because Choi is covering more metres. Would rather manage a kid with so much upside than a bloke who is a back up
So would you play Soldo and Nank in the same side going forward?
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I like went I am seeing as well but having just watched the replay my thoughts haven't changed.
Take a look at the 3rd (mid onwards) and that's what I am talking about. Got to the stage he wasn't jumping at ruck contests
The reason Choi looks spent and Soldo doesn't is in part because Choi is covering more metres. Would rather manage a kid with so much upside than a bloke who is a back up
So would you play Soldo and Nank in the same side going forward?
Rotate both of bench for next week
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I like went I am seeing as well but having just watched the replay my thoughts haven't changed.
Take a look at the 3rd (mid onwards) and that's what I am talking about. Got to the stage he wasn't jumping at ruck contests
The reason Choi looks spent and Soldo doesn't is in part because Choi is covering more metres. Would rather manage a kid with so much upside than a bloke who is a back up
So would you play Soldo and Nank in the same side going forward?
No, absolutely not.
This week against the Pies yes but after that nope
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I like went I am seeing as well but having just watched the replay my thoughts haven't changed.
Take a look at the 3rd (mid onwards) and that's what I am talking about. Got to the stage he wasn't jumping at ruck contests
The reason Choi looks spent and Soldo doesn't is in part because Choi is covering more metres. Would rather manage a kid with so much upside than a bloke who is a back up
So would you play Soldo and Nank in the same side going forward?
No, absolutely not.
This week against the Pies yes but after that nope
May as well play Grigg on Grundy as Soldo and Nank (especially after a half a game of VFL in the past 8 weeks) will not keep up.
Soldo hasn’t the leap, the smarts, the fitness or the speed to keep up with Grundy.
May as well play Chol to test Grundy when we have the footy and in the air.
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Hard to see Chol being pushed out from here. A goalkicking 2nd ruck.
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Gee he can really jump this guy. I think Nank will push Soldo out but tbh I think Soldo has been very serviceable and would be a little stiff to get dropped.
Chol looking tired most weeks in the 3rd Q onwards. Needs another preseason of tank and body work but I really like what I'm seeing. Thought his interview after the game was really nice too, very well spoken young man with a sense of humour. Shame BT is such a moron...
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Chol is getting better and does some nice things, I have renewed my hopes for him. He backs up better now in contest and Geez is he agile when the ball is contested for a tall bloke? Cannot believe some of the tight spots he weaves out of like a big lanky cat doing bullet time in the matrix lol.
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Thought he was great tonight. Kept Grundy honest and worked hard around the ground.
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Darn good thing I'm not on the match committee :rollin
Marbs was very good, very good
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Really pushed through that tiredness .... :shh
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Just keeps getting better....
I’ll be honest and say I couldn’t see it with Chol but Wowee!
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Just imagine a Panther wearing a yellow sash ...
Dangerously slinky ... ;D
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https://twitter.com/RestingPlayers/status/1154703273787445248
:shh
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https://twitter.com/RestingPlayers/status/1154703273787445248
:shh
Bahahahhaha
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lol dayem that was good
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I like what I am seeing as well but having just watched the replay my thoughts haven't changed.
Take a look at the 3rd (mid onwards) and that's what I am talking about. Got to the stage he wasn't jumping at ruck contests
The reason Choi looks spent and Soldo doesn't is in part because Choi is covering more metres. Would rather manage a kid with so much upside than a bloke who is a back up
WP where did you get the stat that Chol was covering more metres than Soldo?
Chol is listed as 65% game time and Soldo 74% game time, this would suggest that Chol only competed in the ruck for 25% of the game time and was in the forward line for the other 40% of
game time.
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“He [Chol] is a great, young kid . . . he’s just taken a bit of time to develop,” Jack Riewoldt told Channel Seven.
“I’m glad we stayed with him on that fourth year as a rookie because it’s really paying dividends at the moment.
“He’s got a fantastic leap and he just gives us another weapon in the ruck . . . that sort of springy ruckman that is able to jump over the top of the bigger guys.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-04/chol-goal-roll
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I love his set shot kicking action. A few of the boys can learn from Chol on how to put the ball through the big sticks
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Beautiful action indeed, looks very relaxed. Concerning that he only got his hands on the pill 3 times though, however that doesn't tell the whole story.
Due for a rest?
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For the nightowls, Chol's on the Marngrook Footy Show.
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Leppitsch on 3aw pre-game talking about Chol.
Chol is not a "grinder" (can't play 4 quarters grinding away). We've got to manage his game-time. Possession wise he was down last week on what we would like but his aggression in the ruck and at the contest we were still pleased with.
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Thought was excellent today with his tackles and defensive efforts.
We know he’s a beautiful kick but the big fellas snaps definitely need work.
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Thought was excellent today with his tackles and defensive efforts.
We know he’s a beautiful kick but the big fellas snaps definitely need work.
Some very important knock ons late, yes his technique around the corner isn't great, seems to have the ball in the wrong position.
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He probably kick those with his normal technique.
Agility for his size is freakish..holds his own in the ruck due to his superior athlticism - will be a sight to behold once he starts to pick up the craft...fast becoming the player we all hoped McBean would be......just needs to take more marks... can't wait until him & CCJ are up & running together...:shh
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He sold the candy once again today which cracked me up laughing for a big lanky bastard to do that haha
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The thing that impressive me about Chol is his speed off the mark.
A lot of big guys are quick these days, but it takes them 10-15m to get into full stride. Chol is seriously explosive off the mark, especially given his size.
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https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/emerging-ruckman-mabior-chol-re-signs-with-richmond-c-424987
:clapping
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https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/emerging-ruckman-mabior-chol-re-signs-with-richmond-c-424987
:clapping
Confirmed by the club.
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Brilliant news
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Interestingly, Chol is being retained and contracted as a rookie.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-29/tigers-shore-up-ruck-stocks-with-young-duo-inking-new-deals
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A bit of incentive for him to work hard.
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Well done to the young man. Looks like we're happy with our rucks and we'll we should :clapping
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... manager Ralph Carr just signed Mabior Chol on a two-year deal, having secured him mid-season but on the promise he would redouble his efforts to get fit and add a new layer of professionalism.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/moneyball-latest-afl-trade-and-contract-news/news-story/38a0ff38f78fbed463b8779d6852a4de
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Richmond's Mabior Chol training with Warrnambool's Rudy Ryan
Nick Ansell
Warrnambool Standard
November 12, 2019
MABIOR Chol is trusting a Warrnambool gym as his bid to build cardiovascular fitness ramps up.
The Richmond big man, entering his fourth AFL pre-season, has enlisted the help of Kelp Street trainer Rudy Ryan.
Chol has combined boxing with his Richmond-approved off-season program and is reaping the rewards.
The 22-year-old said fitness had been his Achilles heel and was determined to build endurance.
"My fitness has been issue the past couple of years, it hasn't been great. It's one of the things I wanted to improve," Chol told The Standard.
"The first session with (Rudy) was probably the toughest one. I was like 'jeez, what am I in for?'.
"My fitness is improving every day and I'll hopefully be able to go back in good nick and impress my coaches."
Chol said manager Ralph Carr - who also has Tigers superstar Dustin Martin on his books - helped set up the Warrnambool camp.
"My manager has helped me a lot with it. He put me in touch with the perfect man for it, Rudy, who has been great. I couldn't be happier with how it's going," he said.
"(Warrnambool) is a small country town and I kind of feel like I'm becoming a local now."
The South Sudan-born talent said playing senior football was his sole focus leading into 2020.
"I was unlucky to miss out in a few games because of my fitness and Dimma (Richmond coach Damien Hardwick) really wants me to improve that," Chol said.
"During my exit meeting that was the biggest talking point.
"We have a healthy list and I have to put my best foot forward."
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Richmond's Mabior Chol has been training at Rudy's Boxing in Warrnambool as part of his pre-season training. Picture: Mark Witte
https://www.standard.net.au/story/6488188/afl-star-building-fitness-at-bool-gym/
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Didn't realiae he was indigenous....hope he's also working hard on his marking.... :shh
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Welcome back Mabior.
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Source: RFC twitter.
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Do something!
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Do something!
He’s playing well....
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Do something!
Are you even watching? :shh
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There was the soft frustrating Chol early on but he was very good in the second quarter. Started to usual his physicality and worked hard around the ground. Hopefully he now keeps it up in the second half.
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Playing very well actually!
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Chol is a good option in our line. I prefer him to Soldo. Infact id like to see the Coleman Jones Chol combo in action at some point.
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Well done Mabs, very good today.
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One of Mabs best games at AFL level. Not only kicked 2 goals but used his agility to the team's advantage hitting up around the ground.
Dimma pointed out that Chol has improved each year over his 5 years at the club.
ps. Chol said the red stripe in his air is copying Pogba (soccer player).
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Looks a very nice addition to the side
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The way this guy moves and tackles is awesome.
Hate to say it but I really think Jack might be done. Chol can replace him.
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It's taken a long time but the most pleasing thing from Chol is he is now using his size & athleticism to smash contests and the stay involved to back up with second efforts.
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Chol & CCJ surely our long term ruck combo in the not too distant future... :shh
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Chol’s ground ball ability is super impressive.
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Tackles hard too.
Moves like silk.
Really enjoy watching this guy!
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Next NicNat but with better foot skills..... :shh
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Next NicNat but with better foot skills..... :shh
Different body shape and type of athlete
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Splitting hairs....both spectacular high leaping rucks who tackle hard, are good around the ground and can play forward...once Chol builds enough core strength , improves his contested marking and ruck craft, he'll have the same impact on the game and the side.... :shh :shh
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He does have one thing in common with NicNat- doesn’t take many catches.
Hands the opposite to steel traps
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Not splitting hair Dio.. There would be 15+kg difference in weight and they go about it very differently
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Nearly kicked goal of the year just quietly.... :shh
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Another very average game.
How is it possible to play the second ruck/forward roll at AFL level and not be able to mark the footy??
He is good for a highlight every 3 weeks but that is about it.
Hurry back Nank and CCJ please.
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Chol's goals
After unwittingly being at the centre of the Tigers' groping issue that surfaced late in the week, Richmond forward Mabior Chol was important in attack. The much-improved goalkicker booted two important goals in the third term to help edge his side ahead and give it a chance at nabbing the win. Those goals followed an incredibly athletic effort in the first half which saw Chol set up one of Riewoldt's three majors. In a short space of time Chol has become a key part of Richmond's jigsaw with his marking strength and agility for a tall option, giving opposition backmen headaches.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/482493/game-of-the-season-power-prevail-against-premiers)
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He was good, and his ruck work is actually better than soldo
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I thought he was sensational
To come out the way he did under the pressure he was under (pressure not of his making TBBH) and play as well as he did speaks volumes of his character
Well done Marbs :clapping :clapping
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I thought he was sensational
To come out the way he did under the pressure he was under (pressure not of his making TBBH) and play as well as he did speaks volumes of his character
Well done Marbs :clapping :clapping
Agreed- he was great last night. When he sticks those marking attempts, and doesn't drift in and out of games like he currently does, he could be a very handy player.
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Chol is developing. Some people who criticise his performance cant see the forest from the trees. Like horses with blinkers on. Chol is more talented than some of our players including Egg, George, Pickett and a few others.
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How did we see Chol’s game tonight?
Plenty said about Soldo but at least he has a go.
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Not enough.
Either needs a rest or a rocket up the backside.
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How did we see Chol’s game tonight?
Plenty said about Soldo but at least he has a go.
Very poor tonight
Soldo was average
If Nank is good to go, them they both go out
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Needs a rest
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Has been woeful last 2 weeks. No intensity or attack on the ball.
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
Chol very quiet indeed. Should be dropped.
Almost as quiet as you are on George...
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
Chol very quiet indeed. Should be dropped.
Almost as quiet as you are on George...
I thought George was ok. He is obviously playing higher up the ground than previous years so he isn’t kicking as many goals, and like most of the small forwards, he is struggling for form.
But he is far from being dropped IMO.
I probably talk about George enough so I didn’t think I needed to again but obviously you did, so here you go.
What about you Willy, did anything offend you tonight?
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
Chol very quiet indeed. Should be dropped.
Almost as quiet as you are on George...
I thought George was ok. He is obviously playing higher up the ground than previous years so he isn’t kicking as many goals, and like most of the small forwards, he is struggling for form.
But he is far from being dropped IMO.
I probably talk about George enough so I didn’t think I needed to again but obviously you did, so here you go.
What about you Willy, did anything offend you tonight?
Yes, I was offended by our forward 50 entries.
So George is struggling for form, yet far from being dropped?...
Interesting take.
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
Chol very quiet indeed. Should be dropped.
Almost as quiet as you are on George...
I thought George was ok. He is obviously playing higher up the ground than previous years so he isn’t kicking as many goals, and like most of the small forwards, he is struggling for form.
But he is far from being dropped IMO.
I probably talk about George enough so I didn’t think I needed to again but obviously you did, so here you go.
What about you Willy, did anything offend you tonight?
Yes, I was offended by our forward 50 entries.
So George is struggling for form, yet far from being dropped?...
Interesting take.
Do you think George will get dropped this week?
What I find interesting is the coaches don’t seem to have the same opinion as some on here.
I’m especially interested in your thoughts now.
And I agree with you, the forward entries were terrible.
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As bad as Soldo is and was last night I can honestly say I noticed Soldo actually took a couple of marks.
Chol on the other hand did absolutely nothing with the 66 minutes he was on field except that easy goal.
How can such a large imposing unit with a leap Soldo can only dream of, play a whole game and not impact in the air?
He doesn’t utilise his strengths. His leaps are mostly mistimed, and he does not have the endurance to punch out a full game.
Two very poor weeks from chol and practically non existent performances from a team perspective.
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
Chol very quiet indeed. Should be dropped.
Almost as quiet as you are on George...
I thought George was ok. He is obviously playing higher up the ground than previous years so he isn’t kicking as many goals, and like most of the small forwards, he is struggling for form.
But he is far from being dropped IMO.
I probably talk about George enough so I didn’t think I needed to again but obviously you did, so here you go.
What about you Willy, did anything offend you tonight?
Yes, I was offended by our forward 50 entries.
So George is struggling for form, yet far from being dropped?...
Interesting take.
Do you think George will get dropped this week?
What I find interesting is the coaches don’t seem to have the same opinion as some on here.
I’m especially interested in your thoughts now.
And I agree with you, the forward entries were terrible.
I think he was slightly better than in recent weeks but still had very little impact on the game.
He really hasn’t had much positive influence all year IMO.
So yes, I think he is very much in contention for being dropped.
Just because the coaches haven’t dropped him yet does not mean he isn’t close.
I would drop both him and Chol for Nank and Higgins/Caddy, personally.
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If they’re happy to have dropped Rioli and Higgins earlier this season then they should be ready to give Georgie boy a spell.
There’s plenty of options to replace him with Higgo leading the charge
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
Chol very quiet indeed. Should be dropped.
Almost as quiet as you are on George...
I thought George was ok. He is obviously playing higher up the ground than previous years so he isn’t kicking as many goals, and like most of the small forwards, he is struggling for form.
But he is far from being dropped IMO.
I probably talk about George enough so I didn’t think I needed to again but obviously you did, so here you go.
What about you Willy, did anything offend you tonight?
Yes, I was offended by our forward 50 entries.
So George is struggling for form, yet far from being dropped?...
Interesting take.
Do you think George will get dropped this week?
What I find interesting is the coaches don’t seem to have the same opinion as some on here.
I’m especially interested in your thoughts now.
And I agree with you, the forward entries were terrible.
I think he was slightly better than in recent weeks but still had very little impact on the game.
He really hasn’t had much positive influence all year IMO.
So yes, I think he is very much in contention for being dropped.
Just because the coaches haven’t dropped him yet does not mean he isn’t close.
I would drop both him and Chol for Nank and Higgins/Caddy, personally.
Fair enough.
George’s last month has been poor and I have posted that last week, but last night he was better
IMO.
He might be close to being dropped and I guess we will never know, but he has plenty of teammates in the same boat. We have very few players playing at a decent consistent level.
Our smalls have struggled all year, Rioli has been dropped twice, Higgins is there now and Aarts has been down after having a great start to his career.
I don’t think the shorter quarters are helping and I don’t think training less in between games is helping either.
These guys need to be 100% with their touch and their skill, as they generally don’t get too many opportunities.
At least we agree on Chol.
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Chol had minus[/b] 17 metres gained last night :P.
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My biggest concern with him goes missing still to often.
Yep 5 games is too often
Chol very quiet indeed. Should be dropped.
Almost as quiet as you are on George...
I thought George was ok. He is obviously playing higher up the ground than previous years so he isn’t kicking as many goals, and like most of the small forwards, he is struggling for form.
But he is far from being dropped IMO.
I probably talk about George enough so I didn’t think I needed to again but obviously you did, so here you go.
What about you Willy, did anything offend you tonight?
Yes, I was offended by our forward 50 entries.
So George is struggling for form, yet far from being dropped?...
Interesting take.
Do you think George will get dropped this week?
What I find interesting is the coaches don’t seem to have the same opinion as some on here.
I’m especially interested in your thoughts now.
And I agree with you, the forward entries were terrible.
I think he was slightly better than in recent weeks but still had very little impact on the game.
He really hasn’t had much positive influence all year IMO.
So yes, I think he is very much in contention for being dropped.
Just because the coaches haven’t dropped him yet does not mean he isn’t close.
I would drop both him and Chol for Nank and Higgins/Caddy, personally.
Fair enough.
George’s last month has been poor and I have posted that last week, but last night he was better
IMO.
He might be close to being dropped and I guess we will never know, but he has plenty of teammates in the same boat. We have very few players playing at a decent consistent level.
Our smalls have struggled all year, Rioli has been dropped twice, Higgins is there now and Aarts has been down after having a great start to his career.
I don’t think the shorter quarters are helping and I don’t think training less in between games is helping either.
These guys need to be 100% with their touch and their skill, as they generally don’t get too many opportunities.
At least we agree on Chol.
Fair enough. :cheers
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So how do we see him relief ruck for Nank then pushing forward or back.Hows his ruck work tho ?.
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So how do we see him relief ruck for Nank then pushing forward or back.Hows his ruck work tho ?.
Replaces Lynch at Full Forward with 5 minutes each quarter in the ruck.
Not good at tap work but will balance it out as an extra on-baller.
Pointless anyway as the Adelaide ruck (O'Brien?) will win a lot of tap-outs regardless.
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Yeah wouldn't mind him through have a impact in ruck.
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Poor tonight my biggest worry no intensity goes missing even tackling and pressure was off not reliable.Better of with Broad doing his role you get a contest atleast or a Miller.
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It seemed that in contested marking situations he had been instructed to just bring it to ground
Very strange
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It seemed that in contested marking situations he had been instructed to just bring it to ground
Very strange
I think they mean if you don’t mark it, at least bring it to ground- not don’t try and mark it.
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He might still play because he’s the only suitable back up ruck we have but he didn’t do himself any favours with that performance.
Needs to really work on his marking over the summer, it’s really holding him back.
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He might still play because he’s the only suitable back up ruck we have but he didn’t do himself any favours with that performance.
Needs to really work on his marking over the summer, it’s really holding him back.
He clunked heaps of marks last week against VFL standard opponents. Unfortunately I think that is his level.
3 touches and 2 hit outs tonight.
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He might still play because he’s the only suitable back up ruck we have but he didn’t do himself any favours with that performance.
Needs to really work on his marking over the summer, it’s really holding him back.
He clunked heaps of marks last week against VFL standard opponents. Unfortunately I think that is his level.
3 touches and 2 hit outs tonight.
I said when soldo did his acl that the path was clear for him now. All he needed to do was stay involved, be competitive and take his chances. While he didn’t necessarily get out marked, he dropped far too many he should have clunked.
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Mabs just needed to show intensity at the contests and do the basics well. Didn't do either. Going one-handed for marks is schoolboy stuff. Sure he held onto one which lead to his goal but it's low percentage.
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I reckon copped a spray from the coaches for his efforts.
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I reckon copped a spray from the coaches for his efforts.
When? Was their vision? If it happened it didn’t seem to work.
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I reckon copped a spray from the coaches for his efforts.
When? Was their vision? If it happened it didn’t seem to work.
Just a thought maybe in the rooms.
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I'd at least trust him with a set shot from right in front more than Lynch... :shh
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Must improve: Mabior Chol
Chol was given a great opportunity to push his case for finals selection but didn’t quite grasp it. With Tom Lynch and Ivan Soldo both out injured, Chol needed to step up as a forward/ruck but was unable to impact the game as he would have liked. He kicked a goal after a lovely mark on Daniel Talia but finished with just three touches and two hit-outs. If Lynch is fit for the Qualifying Final, then Chol will be the one to make way. He has a huge amount of ability but until he becomes more physical, he will find himself in and out of the team on a needs basis.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09/22/the-players-who-stood-out-and-those-who-must-improve-from-round-18/
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I'd at least trust him with a set shot from right in front more than Lynch... :shh
Shame we can't have him on the bench as a dedicated kicker, Georgie marks the ball, drag him off, Chol comes on and takes the kick, NFL style.
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A make or break game for Mabs. Dimma and the MC has given him another chance despite his poor 'effort' against Adelaide. Hopefully Dimma has given Mabs a rocket this week and Mabs responds. Just need Chol to bring intensity and compete hard at every contest rotating with Nank between ruck & up forward.
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Mabior Chol
His disposals were mostly effective, but he looked off the pace. Just the one mark and didn’t get a foothold in the game at all.
Rating: 2
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
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I would delist him had enough time.Better of with a ruck forward from walf,vfl sanfl maybe not as talented but 100% effort.
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After that performance, I don’t think he will make it in the AFL.
Can’t read the play, can’t read the flight of the ball, doesn’t attack the contest, doesn’t use his athleticism he is blessed with, doesn’t fight his way through adversity. LAZY!
I’ve seen enough. Get someone who is seemingly less talented but will try hard.
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Lost confidence, was showing promise earlier in the year then was dropped
Probably knows and played like he is only in the side until lynch returns
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Mabior Chol
His disposals were mostly effective, but he looked off the pace. Just the one mark and didn’t get a foothold in the game at all.
Rating: 2
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
Did he get a 2 rating for lining up for the national anthem?
Rating: -5 for being a statue and getting in other people’s way.
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He frustrates me because he can’t take a contested mark! Like Collingwood I’m 2018 we need someone who can mark down the line in adversity. I also think he got in Jacks way.
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A Sudanese Mason Cox
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A Sudanese Mason Cox
No. Cox can actually time his leap and take a mark.
If Chol wants to be taken seriously he’s got to prove himself by at least trying.
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Wrong time to be comparing him to Cox
Kicked 3 in the first😁
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Chol was in no man's land between two roles and so did neither. Didn't make Andrews accountable nor did Mabs present at the footy as a forward when he had space to lead. It was like he was doing the wrong role at the wrong time. When Mabs should had drawn his opponent away from the contest he got in Jack's way and when he should've attacked the footy and lead up he ran away instead :facepalm.
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Chol has played 11 senior games this season and 21 all up. He missed out on selection in Richmond’s 2017 and 2019 triumphs and has been on the list since late 2015.
Hardwick reaffirmed his belief in the 23-year-old, but stopped short of guaranteeing the big man a preliminary final recall.
“We love what ‘Marbs’ brings as a player,” he said.
“He’s a player that is really young in AFL terms. His improvement level every year has been significant for us.
“We are really excited about what he is going to become. He was probably really disappointed with his first half against Brisbane but his second half was very good. We will continue to invest in him. He learns every time.
“Watch him train today, he can do things that other players can’t. We just need to get that consistency level between his very good and his lesser games to his higher level.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-preliminary-final-teams-team-whispers-port-adelaide-vs-richmond-brisbane-lions-vs-geelong/news-story/4e95a4db6206d28fbbc8ef90ff847ac8)
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Who's fighting for a new contract in 2021?
Rhys Knight
theRoar.com.au
10 January 2021
Mabior Chol
‘Two Phones’ is a cult figure at Richmond and has the attributes to make it, but at some stage things have to change. Taken in 2016, he’s played only 21 games during Richmond’s dynasty, and 6.67 touches and six and a half hitouts isn’t the greatest output on the field, With Jack Riewoldt in his twilight years, 17 goals doesn’t give us the greatest indication that he’s got a home in the goal square. Richmond admittedly are an elite side with plenty of guys on the outer, so the main thing working against Chol is that he’s 24 while some of their other ‘fringe’ players are younger.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/01/09/whos-fighting-for-survival-and-whos-flying-toward-a-new-deal-in-2021/
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Lucky to be on the list. Have we held on too long? suppose time will tell.
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Lots of boxing training.
Whack him a few times and see if he gets angry.
If not, delist.
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(https://instagram.fmel7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/c91.0.360.360a/152379118_114496923982001_7525837511197100099_n.jpg?_nc_ht=instagram.fmel7-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=HFvHr1bI1NEAX9zvEGa&tp=1&oh=d20745bf847aac321e3237670c8fc3ce&oe=6037D8A8) (https://www.instagram.com/p/CLoOliLhs7q/)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLoOliLhs7q/
Mabs obviously has too much time on his hands :laugh:.
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Dimma post-game said Mabs was really good in the ruck and showed some signs.
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Actually displayed some aggro today....still has his issues but can ruck and can play........ :shh
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Actually displayed some aggro today....still has his issues but can ruck and can play........ :shh
I liked his new found aggression- needs it every game.
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Actually displayed some aggro today....still has his issues but can ruck and can play........ :shh
Just needs to work on his marking. Can take them on the lead but if there is an opposition player within a metre of him he doesn’t stick them.
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Yes that would be one of the said issues.... :shh
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I thought his ruck work, from what I saw of about 60% of the game, was average. That clear tap to O'Brien or whatever was a double facepalm.
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He helped change the game in the 3rd when he was rucking.
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He helped change the game in the 3rd when he was rucking.
I missed the first 7min or so but watched the rest albeit with distraction from wife + 7yo + 4yo + 1yo + 2 dogs so I'll have to watch it again when I'm less stressed also.
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He helped change the game in the 3rd when he was rucking.
Which Hardwick then changed back by taking him out of there at the start of the 4th.... :shh
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In his sixth season on Richmond’s list, Chol, 24, returned to the senior side on Sunday to play just his 22nd AFL game and first since being dropped after last year’s qualifying final loss to Brisbane at the Gabba.
Having missed out on all three of Richmond’s AFL flags during his time at Punt Road, the ruckman/forward said he had been particularly driven by last year’s near-miss.
“The first premiership we won I was a bit young and it didn’t really hit me. But I reckon last year was probably the one that hurt a fair bit from my point of view,” Chol said.
“Last year was probably more painful than any other year, and that’s something that’s driven me.”
But speaking from the Tigers’ new Bondi base, Chol said he’d been pleased with his comeback performance, one which yielded two goals.
“I was pretty happy. I thought my contest work was pretty good,” he said.
“The message has been real clear from the coaches. Had a big focus on me to get my contest work up, I needed a big spike on that.
“Just keep improving every week.”
Off-contract at season’s end, and given the Tigers’ glut of quality talls, Queenslander Chol has been linked with an end-of-season trade to Gold Coast. But he said he was keeping his eyes squarely on the short-term.
“I haven’t really thought about the contract talk. I think at the moment I’m really focused on what I can control. The contract stuff will take care of itself,” he said.
Chol, of South Sudanese descent, is close with several of the Tigers’ Indigenous players including Shai Bolton, Daniel Rioli, Marlion Pickett and Derek Eggmolesse-Smith and was looking forward to playing in Saturday night’s Dreamtime game in Perth.
“I know how much it means to them, and I’m just excited to be alongside them. It’ll be amazing to run around them and show them all our love and support,” he said.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/where-did-he-come-from-chol-recalls-spectacular-riewoldt-mark-20210531-p57wqa.html)
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy last night:
Claims manager Ralph Carr has admitted there are 3-4 suitors and one of them is Gold Coast (who are interested in both Mabs & CCJ).
John Ralph "thinks" Richmond has accepted that they will lose Chol as they won't be able to match the 3-year deals and money these clubs will offer Mabior.
John Ralph also added as Chol is from Brisbane there's a connection there to the Gold Coast in Queensland.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/rival-clubs-circling-tigers-young-guns!803346
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy last night:
Claims manager Ralph Carr has admitted there are 3-4 suitors and one of them is Gold Coast (who are interested in both Mabs & CCJ).
John Ralph "thinks" Richmond has accepted that they will lose Chol as they won't be able to match the 3-year deals and money these clubs will offer Mabior.
John Ralph also added as Chol is from Brisbane there's a connection there to the Gold Coast in Queensland.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/rival-clubs-circling-tigers-young-guns!803346
What's he worth in a trade? 2nd rounder a stretch?
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He helped change the game in the 3rd when he was rucking.
Which Hardwick then changed back by taking him out of there at the start of the 4th.... :shh
:shh :shh
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His first qtr alone made this his best game for the club - more of that please!
Was in and out of the game after that just needs more consistency but showed he can contribute well around the ground.
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Good game but I felt he went missing a bit in Q3-4. His ruck work overall was excellent.
Two opportunities to go back with the flight in the D50 but he was spectating and conceded easy F50 marks for them.
NicNat will absolutely monster the crap out of him.
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His best performance by far but agree with Andyy with his lack of effort in the defensive half on a few occasions. A lot to like though.
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Good game but I felt he went missing a bit in Q3-4. His ruck work overall was excellent.
Two opportunities to go back with the flight in the D50 but he was spectating and conceded easy F50 marks for them.
NicNat will absolutely monster the crap out of him.
I don't think so Chol played on him lor Soldo last year if I recall with Nank and did well.
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Good game but I felt he went missing a bit in Q3-4. His ruck work overall was excellent.
Two opportunities to go back with the flight in the D50 but he was spectating and conceded easy F50 marks for them.
NicNat will absolutely monster the crap out of him.
I don't think so Chol played on him lor Soldo last year if I recall with Nank and did well.
Soldo is the man for the NicNats and Gawns out there. I'd feel better if Nank was available but neither are.
It will be Chol and CCJ getting belted. And hopefully not Pickett.
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Chol was fantastic with contested marking situations tonight. Best I've seen in this regard at any level. Keep playing like this and should he leave, the price keeps going up :shh
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Showed up the haters...only real concern left now is the tank...which he has a far better chance of improving here than on the Gold Coast.... :shh
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Really good game. His speed is a real asset and is ruck work/marking were good.
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Maybe the penny has dropped urgency , talent is there no doubt.
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“He rose to the challenge, ‘Marbs’, he was really impressive,” Hardwick said.
“He’s a guy that’s learning the rigours of AFL (football) . . . He’s been in our system for a fair amount of time, but when you’re asked to play the No. 1 ruck role, it’s a very, very challenging role . . .
“He’ll get used to playing that role a little bit more, obviously, with Toby (Nankervis) missing maybe a couple more (games).
“It gives him an opportunity to grow into the role and grow into the game . . .
“I thought he and ‘CJ’ (Callum Coleman-Jones) were pretty proficient in their tasks tonight and really rewarded the team with their efforts.
“We were pretty pleased with both those guys.”
Chol finished with an AFL career-high 19 disposals, a career-high 10 contested possessions, a career-high six inside-50s, career-high nine intercepts, career-high 19 hit-outs, career-high 338 metres gained and took six marks (two of them contested grabs).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/953174/chol-steps-up-in-strong-and-bold-style
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Best ever game for Richmond, dropped off a bit as he ran out of steam but to expect him to ruck all game by himself would be unreasonable
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Matthew Lloyd said Chol needs to back up his performance and have a great game this week against NicNat to force Dimma's hand and keep him in the side. Richmond would be concerned about the moments against Essendon where Phillips pushed forward and outmarked the shorter Pickett. However, Lloyd believes Dimma will still favour playing Pickett in the ruck ahead of Chol when Nank returns. Chol needs a great game against the Eagles to show Dimma this week that playing two rucks (himself and Nank) is the way to go for the rest of the year.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/628003/carlton-headed-nowhere-two-dees-applying-for-one-job
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Fair point Lloyd.
Pickett was badly exposed this week. Beggars belief that we would play Pickett in the ruck when we have CCJ in the forward line. Best thing to do would be get Lynch back and play either Chol or CCJ as 3rd tall + ruck relief.
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ... big Nank is out for at least one more match ...
THEN ... it's actually a bonus. It actually forces the Tigers to play Chol, who could be anything.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/628656/if-the-new-president-says-review-and-the-old-president-pipes-up-then
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Dimma's post-match comments on Chol:
"I thought Cholly was pretty good. I look at influence throughout and I didn't notice Naitanui was any bigger or better than our guy. But once again I don't really look at the stats and all that so I'm not sure what it is. Thought Mabs had some really good patches and looked really good. The fitness he requires to play at this level will take some time to get to. I thought him and CJ have been real positives for us over the last 3-4 weeks".
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/958456/round-13-hardwick-post-match)
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Gave a contest that's all you ask for his building up .
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How many years does it take to build a tank to last four quarters?
He’s been doing our preseasons for 6 years now.
Nankervis was younger than him in our 2017 premiership year and was our no 1 ruck.
Chol has improved and has upside but just need to work harder.
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Dimma's post-match comments on Chol:
"I thought Cholly was pretty good. I look at influence throughout and I didn't notice Naitanui was any bigger or better than our guy. But once again I don't really look at the stats and all that so I'm not sure what it is. Thought Mabs had some really good patches and looked really good. The fitness he requires to play at this level will take some time to get to. I thought him and CJ have been real positives for us over the last 3-4 weeks".
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/958456/round-13-hardwick-post-match)
Dimma was being nice to boost up his trade value.
Truth is he was rubbish, got his pants pulled down, and after so many years in the system boosting his "fitness" he can now be someone else's problem.
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Running on the ball all day opposed to playing a position takes a lot more out you and it takes time to build your engine. I don’t think they had him geared up for the ruck in the 2’s
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Running on the ball all day opposed to playing a position takes a lot more out you and it takes time to build your engine. I don’t think they had him geared up for the ruck in the 2’s
Agree
He wasn't drafted as a 1st ruckman, he was drafted as KPP and 2nd ruck
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He's finally starting to take marks and show a bit of aggro so it's just the tank that's holding him back now...anyone who still thinks he's rubbish simply has nfi... :shh
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Agree :shh
He’s :shh just :shh starting :shh to :shh get :shh a :shh better :shh attitude :shh
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Fair point Lloyd.
Pickett was badly exposed this week. Beggars belief that we would play Pickett in the ruck when we have CCJ in the forward line. Best thing to do would be get Lynch back and play either Chol or CCJ as 3rd tall + ruck relief.
This is spot on.My preference is CCJ not as athletic and may be a bit on the slow side but he sure has good dukes.
Keep working on his pace agility leap etc put a bit more strength and size into him over a period and he will be a goodun.
Because of these things id be looking to develop him more as a ruckman and go searching for a quality key forward who has these attributes.
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Dimma's post-match comments on Chol:
"I thought Cholly was pretty good. I look at influence throughout and I didn't notice Naitanui was any bigger or better than our guy. But once again I don't really look at the stats and all that so I'm not sure what it is. Thought Mabs had some really good patches and looked really good. The fitness he requires to play at this level will take some time to get to. I thought him and CJ have been real positives for us over the last 3-4 weeks".
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/958456/round-13-hardwick-post-match)
Either Dimma was not watching or he was being how to say it ? yes diplomatic.
He was right when he said Chol had some good moments and gave a contest but Naitanui monstered him and had a huge input.
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Dimma's post-match comments on Chol:
"I thought Cholly was pretty good. I look at influence throughout and I didn't notice Naitanui was any bigger or better than our guy. But once again I don't really look at the stats and all that so I'm not sure what it is. Thought Mabs had some really good patches and looked really good. The fitness he requires to play at this level will take some time to get to. I thought him and CJ have been real positives for us over the last 3-4 weeks".
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/958456/round-13-hardwick-post-match)
Either Dimma was not watching or he was being how to say it ? yes diplomatic.
He was right when he said Chol had some good moments and gave a contest but Naitanui monstered him and had a huge input.
Yep. When it mattered NicNat's tap work was unreal and WC just got clearance after clearance.
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Did we expect better ?.Considering his not a number one ruck never has and will never be.
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Yep. When it mattered NicNat's tap work was unreal and WC just got clearance after clearance.
So wasn't incumbent on our mids to work to NicNat's ruck work as it would have been expected that this would happen
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Yep. When it mattered NicNat's tap work was unreal and WC just got clearance after clearance.
So wasn't incumbent on our mids to work to NicNat's ruck work as it would have been expected that this would happen
Yeah of course, plenty of culprits. The mids were just immediately disadvantaged with the tap service.
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Remember when we beat WC at Subi by conceding the rucks and sharking Cox's & NicNat's taps? Pretty sure Cotchin, Martin & Edwards were all playing that night too... :shh
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Chol's best is unbelievable but you're not sure if he is always engaged. There would be a moment during the game where NicNat does something and you go if Cholly was a bit harder defensively he could've stopped NicNat. Mabs is exciting and I know I've been a bit negative but we do search for perfection.
- Neil Balme.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/959101/talking-tigers-episode-15-2021
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Thanks Balme
As I said chol was IMV very poor the other night, and in fact has been since half time of last weeks game.
He doesn't go hard enough, and should have been filling those holes but instead who knows where he was.
Send him to Gold Coast.
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If Chol goes elsewhere we will get nothing for him as he is an unrestricted free agent.
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Chol's best is unbelievable but you're not sure if he is always engaged. There would be a moment during the game where NicNat does something and you go if Cholly was a bit harder defensively he could've stopped NicNat. Mabs is exciting and I know I've been a bit negative but we do search for perfection.
- Neil Balme.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/959101/talking-tigers-episode-15-2021
Chol is lazy and inconsistent in his efforts across a full game. Looks like a Brownlow medalist for 10mins and then goes missing for long periods of time. You can see it live if he is not directly involved in the contest he won't exert himself to make it to the contest. He is looking like a wasted talent at this point.
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Cal Twomey and Mitch Cleary think Chol goes. Only question is where. The way Richmond's list has come together means Chol has missed out on their success and there will be opportunities elsewhere as other clubs will be keen on someone who can play forward and ruck. Tigers like Samson Ryan and put a lot of time into him. You can't play all these talls at once. If CCJ stays then Chol falls out.
32 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/news/632152/trade-edition-will-shai-stay-what-s-stopping-star-don-from-re-signing-
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He shows glimpses of good footy but at the end of the day it's all a bit like playing golf for him - a good way to ruin a long walk... :shh
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He shows glimpses of good footy but at the end of the day it's all a bit like playing golf for him - a good way to ruin a long walk... :shh
Agree. As did Vickery and Griffiths also. All 3 were soft and lazy.
Chol is finished at Punt Rd. Still can't believe they threw Samson in with the view that chol would give him a chop out.
Give the kid a go when nank is back.
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I agree with FJ...bloody Queenslanders.... :thumbsdown
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About as useful as a $&*i full of cold water
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OE didn't remove your post I did.
We had multiple complaints and for good measure you had to throw in an insult
So following the rules of the site it removed
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The man can’t take a mark to save his life. Gets to so many good positions and just can’t take a mark. Very frustrating
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We know what we’re going to get with Cholly boy. Year 6 in the system so it’s all about him getting a good contract with GC Suns and them being nice enough to throw us a 4th rounder for our trouble.
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The one thing I did notice about Chol last night was several plays where he could have impacted a pack going for a mark he chose not to or just was not able to .. that to me was disappointing
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Chol just does not have any grit or work rate. Never tough in any contest even against smaller opponents. When we need him to stand up he goes missing. Trade or delist end of story.
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Okay you've all had your say. This is a football thread. So snip it and get back to the footy topic!
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No longer a requirement imo never has been really.
With
Nankervis, Soldo, Colina, Ryan and Ruck/fwd CC-J he is just not good enough and just not needed on the list.
Didnt we delist him and then re rookied him should have let sleeping dogs lie.
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I would try him at CHB for a few games this year.
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I would try him at CHB for a few games this year.
At VFL level maybe
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We might have to , running out of backmen
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It reinvigorated Majak daw from memory. Like clearly Chol can’t make but if he can at least get a fist to it? My concern is that he has a bit of the vickerys I.e he picks and chooses when to do the grunt bodywork. I feel this could make him a liability as a defender
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He's crap.
Looks handy against bottom dwellers that's about it.
No mongrel, nothing.
Just an athletic bloke with average ability in a great team.
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No longer a requirement imo never has been really.
With
Nankervis, Soldo, Colina, Ryan and Ruck/fwd CC-J he is just not good enough and just not needed on the list.
Didnt we delist him and then re rookied him should have let sleeping dogs lie.
Agree
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Yeah, Chol seems like a great character amongst the group
He has some fantastic skills and ability just dont think he has the hardness of ticker to make it as a gun footballer.
We've persisted long enough
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Mabs was training today with a glove/hand guard.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2021/06/29/864932.jpg)
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2021/06/29/864936.jpg)
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Mabs had the most hitouts (25) on the ground last night but we got smacked in centre clearances 4 - 12 :P.
Chol was actually ranked on the AFL website as our third highest on the night :o.
14 disposals (7k, 7h, 8c, 7u, 64.3% eff.)
5 marks (3 contested)
2 tackles
2 clearances
25 hitouts
3 intercepts
2 score involvements
180m gained
2 frees against
1 behind
70% time on ground.
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Mabs had the most hitouts (25) on the ground last night but we got smacked in centre clearances 4 - 12 :P.
This doesn't surprise me
The number of times he hit it forward towards our forward half and our mids were running the other way and the Suns kept at least one back defensive side of the circle was staggering
Is that Chol's fault or is that the fault of stoppage/clearance set up and our mids and by default the midfield coach?
Serious question BTW
Back to his actual game...
Mabs didn't play well because he lacks the one thing that Nank has by the truckload and that's aggression but it is clear he is a reasonable tap ruckman. Just think his performance was made to look even worse but the ineptitude of centre square set up and the mids
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Seen enough and nothing has changed my mind not good enough.
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Seen enough and nothing has changed my mind not good enough.
Clearly not good enough at AFL level. Unfortunately due to the lack of tall players available he will keep representing at the level.
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Mabs had the most hitouts (25) on the ground last night but we got smacked in centre clearances 4 - 12 :P.
This doesn't surprise me
The number of times he hit it forward towards our forward half and our mids were running the other way and the Suns kept at least one back defensive side of the circle was staggering
Is that Chol's fault or is that the fault of stoppage/clearance set up and our mids and by default the midfield coach?
Serious question BTW
Back to his actual game...
Mabs didn't play well because he lacks the one thing that Nank has by the truckload and that's aggression but it is clear he is a reasonable tap ruckman. Just think his performance was made to look even worse but the ineptitude of centre square set up and the mids
This is spot on WP
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Mabior Chol (rolled ankle) played out the game but could be added to an injury list.
Source: AFL, Fox & Age websites.
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How many do we need and who goes
Nankervis 27, Soldo 26, Chol 25, CCJ 22, Collina 22 Ryan 20.
Soldo back from his knee and Another preseason behind CC-J and Chol really is superfluous to needs. Ryan looks promising as well.
Could really trade Chol and a pick and target a higher pick or a list need.
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Chol's a free agent, clubs don't need to trade for him... :shh
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Chol has shouldered the ruck which is a tough task considering he hasn’t had the conditioning and fitness to play sole Ruckman. I think he has done well considering he is undersized and has been knocked around.
He will be better player for the experience and we will not even get a compensation pick if he walks so I’m not that keen to push him out the door
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Chol's a free agent, clubs don't need to trade for him... :shh
Why let the truth get in the way of a fanciful list strategy...
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Chol's a free agent, clubs don't need to trade for him... :shh
Free agent thats not quite right he was originally rookied in 2016 and would not qualify for restricted free agency and thats despite him being re rookied in 2019.
He will become a delisted free agent if we delist him or if his contract has expired. If a club is intersted in him a deal is usually the way clubs go.
Still doesnt address the pertinant questions, How many ruckmen do we need? and who should g?.I count 6 ruckmen and i reckon 4 is sufficient normally.
Chol's a free agent, clubs don't need to trade for him... :shh
Why let the truth get in the way of a fanciful list strategy...
Hmm a bitter butt hurt poster in all its glory.
Chol has shouldered the ruck which is a tough task considering he hasn’t had the conditioning and fitness to play sole Ruckman. I think he has done well considering he is undersized and has been knocked around.
He will be better player for the experience and we will not even get a compensation pick if he walks so I’m not that keen to push him out the door
Hmm he hasnt had the conditioning and fitness now that is some excuse. Fmd he has been basically the sole ruck in the magoos and his fitness is not the issue but his ticker. FMD HES BEEN HERE SINCE 2016 and hes not fit sheesh. Excuses are never ending.
The bottom line is he will never ever be the #1 ruck and is not a key position player. Both Ryan and CCJ have shown more potential and are a chance to become #1 ruckmen.
Honestly weather we can trade him or if he walks he has to go we dont need six ruckmen on the list.
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Ryan’s not up to it this year, based on his last outing, how many Fit Ruckman have we got.
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Gez guys our recognised ruckman been out long spells even CCJ now.Chol is no number one ruck and he is being asked to play there because of our injuries.Might be out with his rolled ankle.
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Dimma today talking about Mabs:
* Chol is alright. He thought it was a bit of a carry on so he took some cement to harden up. So hopefully he'll be fine as well. It's a job well done as we thought we were in trouble when he went down in the first 5-6 minutes of the game. So for him to get through the game was incredibly important especially when it was off his jump leg. So he'll be better for the rest.
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/978881/hardwick-previews-brisbane)
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People here just missing the bleeding obvious.
Most are saying hes a second ruck and that is the point. He is nothing more than a second ruck and he definately can not on the body of work to date play KPP. You have your reasons why he should not be kept an at best okay ruckman and an okay fwd but nothing good at either.
6 ruckmen on the list and at 25 with obvious deficiencies that make you question him and the one who has to go is not hard to pick.
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Maybe he should be gone already. That way we could be playing a real ruckman like Pickett or Dave Astbury
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Maybe he should be gone already. That way we could be playing a real ruckman like Pickett or Dave Astbury
Okay smart arse how many ruckmen do you think we need on the list Six not enough for you?. Thats whats being discussed. How many and who should go.
Chol at no time has shown he can hold down the #1 ruck role we even cut him from the list, and stupidly re rookied him. yet here we are 6 or 7 seasons after first drafting him and he still doesnt look like making it as a #1 ruckman or Kpp. A second stringer who gets belted most weeks is okay for you eh.
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Maybe he should be gone already. That way we could be playing a real ruckman like Pickett or Dave Astbury
Okay smart arse how many ruckmen do you think we need on the list Six not enough for you?. Thats whats being discussed. How many and who should go.
Chol at no time has shown he can hold down the #1 ruck role we even cut him from the list, and stupidly re rookied him. yet here we are 6 or 7 seasons after first drafting him and he still doesnt look like making it as a #1 ruckman or Kpp. A second stringer who gets belted most weeks is okay for you eh.
Steady on Claw, we all know we are in trouble with rucks. A tongue in cheek comment saw you take the bait.
What I find strange is that Hardwick was the possibility of the AFL, allowing teams to offer one of their rucks to other teams so they could get experience/game time earlier this year.
Which one of our rucks was he talking about? We got nothing.
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Was good tonight.
Excellent kicking for goal and actually took some good grabs.
Building trade value IMO.
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About time. He has done this before. What I would like to see is repeated performances like tonight.
Great game.
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Run of games and responsibility certainly will be helping.
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Good game, but what was better was the combination with Nank.Been a while since our rucks gave a bit of silver service
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Best game he’s played are we allowed to expect more of this?
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Sensational
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He was awesome.
We would regret letting him go.
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Impossible to play to this standard every week but he has shown improvement every season. I hope his next quiet game (which will come) doesn't end up with us putting our leather chaps on and demanding he be hung at the town hall
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Impossible to play to this standard every week but he has shown improvement every season. I hope his next quiet game (which will come) doesn't end up with us putting our leather chaps on and demanding he be hung at the town hall
:lol
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Great game tonight but I'm not letting him off the hook just yet. Needs to be much more consistent for mine. He still has patches in games where he simply stops competing. That's where his improvement needs to come from.
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Impossible to play to this standard every week but he has shown improvement every season. I hope his next quiet game (which will come) doesn't end up with us putting our leather chaps on and demanding he be hung at the town hall
Why not?
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Impossible to play to this standard every week but he has shown improvement every season. I hope his next quiet game (which will come) doesn't end up with us putting our leather chaps on and demanding he be hung at the town hall
Why not?
Just think it's unlikely he kicks 88 goals a season, rucks well and takes big grabs from 60-70% game time.
The goal is closing the gap between his best and his worst, which he is making progress on. He's still got plenty to work on and it's just unrealistic to expect a performance like tonight to occur every game.
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Sounds like the kind of racism of low expectation you'd hear from a white leftist...very disappointed in you AT.... :shh
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AT's Outsiders have gone woke.... :shh
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Go Woke Go Broke :shh :shh
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It goes to show you why he isn't a number ruck and better suited in that role tonight.
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Loved Chol's last goal :clapping.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1416012794458120193
Mabs always plays better when he is moving around and attacking the footy. It's when he is stagnant and ball/opponent watching that we see those soft efforts.
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Loved Chol's last goal :clapping.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1416012794458120193
Mabs always plays better when he is moving around and attacking the footy. It's when he is stagnant and ball/opponent watching that we see those soft efforts.
Agree with this. I wish he would kick more. Beautiful by foot. He looks to handball a lot but I reckon he could be a great extra mid after a ruck contests
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Being the sole ruckman has been good for his development, seemed to enjoy the freedom but the test will be against Geelongs defence
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Loved Chol's last goal :clapping.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1416012794458120193
Mabs always plays better when he is moving around and attacking the footy. It's when he is stagnant and ball/opponent watching that we see those soft efforts.
Agree. He is quick also.
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Loved Chol's last goal :clapping.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1416012794458120193
Mabs always plays better when he is moving around and attacking the footy. It's when he is stagnant and ball/opponent watching that we see those soft efforts.
Agree. He is quick also.
Is he quick enough to be on the wing as per Richo?
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Yeah Richo was an aerobic freak....Chol - not so much...... :shh
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Chol needs to be a priority re-signing for Richmond
The Tigers have some deals to work through as they head towards the final stretch of the home and away season, with gun midfielder Shai Bolton and triple-premiership forward Daniel Rioli parking contract talks until the end of the season and young forward Callum Coleman-Jones also being courted by rivals. Free agents David Astbury, Kamdyn McIntosh and Bachar Houli are also all out of contract. But Mabior Chol showed on Friday night why he is a key signature the Tigers must capture, too. The unrestricted free agent booted a career-high four goals against Brisbane, and it was no coincidence his best game of the season came with Toby Nankervis back to shoulder the ruck load. Chol has suitors out there as a goalkicking/ruckman who has been in and out of Richmond’s line-up, particularly over the past three seasons. - Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/648646/nine-things-we-learned-young-blue-might-be-the-best-in-the-comp
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Settle petal he's just had a good game.
See what happened in the next 5 rounds.
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Kane Cornes reckons Chol is now equal to Bolton in importance given "Nank is banged up".
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1417097704581345285
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Cornwit
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Kane Cornes reckons Chol is now equal to Bolton in importance given "Nank is banged up".
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1417097704581345285
If Nank is banged up, Choi has shown he is not the full time answer for the ruck position. Serviceable as the second ruck/forward...not the number 1. Cornes has no idea at all!
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Kane Cornes reckons Chol is now equal to Bolton in importance given "Nank is banged up".
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1417097704581345285
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Biggest concern is he plays a handful of good games we keep him and do nothing about the Key Forward stocks. He then reverts back to normal and we end up the proverbial creek.
The other thing atm for me is its one decent game its a bit early to be hailing him as arrived. He turns 26 next year and i have to ask has the weaknesses REALLY been overcome.
People may look at it differently but imo we only have the two GENUINE PURE KEY FORWARDS ON THE LIST. Trouble is one is 33 and the other is approaching 30 and neither Chol or CC-J are pure primarily key fwds .They both look to be reasonable ruckmen and reasonable fwds but high quality at neither at this point in time.
Playing him atm certainly has some adavantages especially in the ruck with the crazy pickett situation and allowing Nankervis good breaks during games.It also frees Lynch and Riewoldt up and gives us the third tall target we need. If he can clunk a few marks up forward then opposition have to respect him. At the end of the day he teases us all but me im looking for quality key forwards and if they are young a bloke like Chol takes games off them. Ty Vickery says hello when it comes comparisons about how well you can expect them to carry out each role.
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Seen enough (a few weeks ago). Move him on, just not up to it.
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A typical Chol day
After a really good game, goes missing
Been non existent today
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A typical Chol day
After a really good game, goes missing
Been non existent today
To inconsistent that's why for me rather CCJ.
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Has worked to get to the right spots, rucked better than Nank. Not his day though, not anyones.
Knew there would be a pile on just didn't expect it this early :lol
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ooh yes the real chol is back. Knew it wouldnt take long
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Shows all the twits up, like Cornhead calling him our second most important signing haha.
Disappointing to see we lost the ruck battle against the likes of Stanley and Blicavs etc.
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Seems mentally weak does Chol. This was the game he needed to show what he has to offer. He matches up well against Stanley but simply fails to deliver. I would have taken a nil all draw in the ruck battle he was involved in but sadly he didn't either want it enough or was mentally beaten before it started.
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Easy scapegoat.
Any chance one of our mids could get 30 touches once in a while?
Our midfield is arse.
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Easy scapegoat.
Any chance one of our mids could get 30 touches once in a while?
Our midfield is arse.
Take a teams 2 best mids out and it’s hard to look good.
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should be at Geelong he plays just like a pussy.
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I hate to say it but he’s kinda like our mason cox
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A fair bit more agile than Cox... :shh
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I could cop this bloke bludging for up to say, 35% of the time such is the things he's capable of but the problem is he bludges for 85% of the time and I can't see him ever getting it down to even a barely acceptable 50%....blokes his size with those skills are like lightning in a bottle but unfortunately the bottle came without a lid and I doubt we'll ever find one...really is a crying shame but that's just the way it goes sometimes.... :shh
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Had enough time and chances move him on.
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No ticker/mongrel.
Could be anything if he had the drive.
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Should be on match payments only. Might give 4 quarters. Wasted talent that is just happy with his name in the game day program.
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Too busy colouring his hair to focus on footy.
Best he walks right of our club the bludger that he is..
Waste of a spot.
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Take the contract on offer from the Suns and run. Has developed but not to the extent we require.
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Mabior Chol (Richmond)
“Mabior Chol is an interesting one, I’m not sure if the interest is there, I don’t think that they’re banging down the door asking for Mabior Chol at the moment.
“What does that mean? Does he stay for less than what as I say in any other year there might be money and a bit more interest around, I don’t think there’s the interest there.”
Source: Sam Edmund on SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/24/sam-edmunds-trade-update-on-gunston-chol-wallis-and-more/)
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Andy Maher believes Richmond’s Mabior Chol would be a great fit at North Melbourne should he decide to leave Punt Road this off-season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/24/the-club-a-tall-tiger-would-be-a-magnificent-fit-for/
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Mitch Cleary on the AFL website podcast:
- Can't play both Chol and CCJ in the same side with Soldo returning. Chol the likely one to leave.
- Gold Coast showing strong interest.
- A few Victorian clubs keeping watch.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/670524/the-saint-in-limbo-pies-targets-best-talia-landing-place
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That first quarter in the Dreamtime match must've really made an impression...
BOMBERS ZERO IN ON TIGERS FREE AGENT
ESSENDON has doubled down on its interest in Mabior Chol, attempting to lure the Richmond ruck/forward across town in a move that won't cost a single pick.
AFL.com.au understands the Bombers have set their sights on Chol who this year qualifies as an unrestricted restricted free agent where he is able to walk to his club of choice.
Chol is one of 77 free agents still up for grabs as clubs prepare for the off-season.
The 24-year-old's career-best performance in Richmond's Dreamtime win in Perth this year provided plenty of consideration for the Bombers as he collected 19 disposals to go with 19 hitouts playing as the Tigers' No.1 ruckman.
The Queenslander has a number of suitors from across the competition including Gold Coast.
Should he land at Tullamarine he would be seen as a foil for emerging ruckman Sam Draper who has this year shared the ruck duties with forward Peter Wright.
Even after re-signing key trio Zach Merrett, Darcy Parish and Jake Stringer, the Bombers have room to move in their salary cap after losing Joe Daniher, Orazio Fantasia and Adam Saad last year.
Chol qualifies as a free agent having previously been delisted by the Tigers and re-rookied at the end of 2018. Should he move, the Tigers would receive a free agency compensation pick dependent on the size of his new deal.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/670602/the-arch-rival-circling-tigers-tall-st-kilda-swingman-testing-waters
:shh
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Thought he was better against Brisbane myself with his 4 goals
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Yes but Essendon were our opponents the Dreamtime match and they're the club supposedly chasing him... :shh :shh
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Mabs in hospital having had shoulder surgery.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/mabiorchol/2648358708333425730/
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Hope Essendon are paying for the surgery
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Who says he leaving 😉
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Reckon when you look at the contract lists then Chol probably has to go as a rf/a or a few trades of contracted players have to happen.
The way it is going with re signings i can see a lot of swapping picks this year for next season or us trading away a lot of picks to get higher up the draft.
If he does go i hope they dont target another ruck fwd type instead targeting a GENUINE PURE TALL FWD.
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Mitch Cleary thinks Essendon would be interested in Chol as someone to partner Peter Wright up forward and because Chol played his "career best game" in Dreamtime against the Bombers.
There's suitors out there where Chol will be able to get more money outside of Punt Rd but it all depends on how it falls with Coleman-Jones.
Go to 5:08 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/673342/blues-eye-a-swan-hopper-s-future-will-mcrae-poach-tigers-?videoId=673342&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1630467662001
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Athletic teammate Mabior Chol is sought by Essendon and North Melbourne as a versatile tall who could play in the ruck or as a key forward.
Unlike Coleman-Jones, Chol is an unrestricted free agent, so he can walk to other clubs without Richmond having the chance to match contract terms offered and force a trade.
If the contract offer for Chol is sufficiently high Richmond could still receive a compensation pick in return.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-talls-to-make-call-on-future-20210909-p58qa1.html
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Sam Edmund on SEN:
Mabior Chol (Richmond)
“He’s likely to walk to Essendon as an unrestricted free agent.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/14/sam-edmunds-trade-wrap-silvagni-wicks-talia-brander-and-more/
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Interstate move on cards for Chol
The race for Mabior Chol takes another twist.
Jake Benoiton
zerohanger.com
September 14, 2021
Mabior Chol could be set for a move up North to the Gold Coast with his time at Richmond seemingly coming to an end.
Chol is out of contract at the end of the season and is keen to play senior football now. With Richmond having re-signed Jack Riewoldt for another year and Ivan Soldo set to return from a knee injury, those opportunities may not come at Richmond.
SEN's Sam Edmund reported early on Tuesday morning that Chol would "walk" to Essendon, but those reports have been rebutted by the Herald Sun.
The Herald Sun report is claiming that Chol will instead be heading North to be closer to family with the decision coming down to either the Suns or the Saints. Chol's family lives in Shailer Park making the Suns frontrunners per the report.
Gold Coast are desperate for ruck stocks with Jarrod Witts recovering from an injured ACL and Zac Smith retiring.
Chol would be the perfect foil for Witts as well as provide a helping hand to star forward Ben King.
The Saints are looking to Chol as a replacement for Paddy Ryder who just penned a new one-year deal. Ryder will likely be rested at times throughout 2022, which may be his final season.
The Suns can offer Chol regular senior footy now though. And that maybe the sticking point for Chol.
He wants to play regular football now and it's hard to see him going to Moorabbin to wait at least another year.
Chol did play 10 of the last 11 games of the 2021 season but it remains doubtful he plays ahead of Soldo when he returns.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-interstate-move-on-cards-for-chol-tigers-90657/
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Why don't we sign up Sam Edmund & see if he gets the story wrong!! Again!! :wallywink
Honestly Sam ... its all just one big guess isn't it? :P
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Eventually someone gets one right
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New club firms in race for Tigers ruckman
Sam Landsberger, Jon Ralph, Glenn McFarlane & Jay Clark
HeraldSun
15 September 2021
A tall Tiger appears almost certain to be relocating north next season, with the close proximity of his family expected to rule fellow suitor St Kilda out of the race.
Gold Coast has emerged as the frontrunner for Richmond ruckman Mabior Chol, who is likely to settle on his second AFL club by the end of the week.
The Herald Sun can reveal the Suns have offered the 24-year-old a three-year contract with a trigger for a fourth season.
The Tigers cannot match that security and are about to ramp up their efforts to retain Callum Coleman-Jones with the expectation that Chol will walk as an unrestricted free agent.
It is unlikely the Tigers would offer Chol a contract longer than two seasons, given he has managed 31 games in six seasons.
They also have 2019 premiership ruckman Ivan Soldo on track to return next season.
At the Suns, Chol would team up with budding superstar Ben King as key forwards who can also relieve Jarrod Witts in the ruck.
They desperately need more ruck support after Stewart Dew was forced to coach without one as Witts, Zac Smith and Matt Conroy went down early.
The project player from South Sudan represented Queensland in juniors after his family relocated to Brisbane in 2005.
Chol’s family now lives in Shailer Park, which is halfway between Gold Coast and Brisbane.
The Herald Sun has confirmed that Essendon is not in the market for Chol, despite reports suggesting he would land at Tullamarine.
Chol’s Wikipedia page wrongly states that he is already a Bomber.
But the Suns are not quite across the line to secure the 198cm player who possesses a big leap.
St Kilda has also hotly pursued Chol as it plans for life after Paddy Ryder, who is likely to retire next season.
Chol’s choice is likely to be revealed next week and his exit from Punt Rd would not require the Tigers to broker a trade.
The Saints and Suns are still jostling for his services and have not been told to expect his signature.
Chol played in 10 out of the final 11 games for the Tigers, kicking four goals against Brisbane Lions in Round 18.
He spent 82 per cent of gametime in the ruck and just 18 per cent forward.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-player-movement-and-potential-trades-in-the-afl/news-story/902e05ce0c811960e3161633e63cdff6
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198? He is clearly 200cm.
Happy for him to go if it means more money to offer CCJ.
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Richmond could also lose Mabior Chol, but the unrestricted free agent is yet to tell rival clubs of his decision.
The Gold Coast offer for Chol will most likely end up being a four-year contract.
Source: Sam Edmund on SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/15/north-melbourne-to-land-richmond-ruckman-if-he-leaves-tigerland/).
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4 years wow.
And 4-5 for CCJ too.
Ridiculous lengths for these two.
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Chol gone too according to Jon Ralph.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-follow-the-latest-richmond-contract-and-trade-moves/news-story/70e74b980a18e25e9d45e443320ea910
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Mabior Chol grew up in Queensland and likes the security of Gold Coast’s four-year offer. Would play next to Ben King and support Jarrod Witts. St Kilda also in race but Essendon ain’t interested. Tigers might fatten up their two-year offer to CJ now
Not done yet. But at 24 Chol would be a coup worth celebrating for the Suns, who have had a conga line of players leave and few come the other way. Family in Acacia Park, 80km from Metricon. Played 10 of final 11 games at Richmond and his long leap is fun to watch at training.
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger
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4 years wow! I would have only offered a single year extension, at most 2 so can’t blame either RFC or chol for this one.
Good luck to him.
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Exclusive: Richmond young gun to join Suns after rejecting rival club
Tom Morris
Fox Sports
September 15th, 2021 5:41 pm
Richmond’s Mabior Chol will play for Gold Coast next year.
Foxfooty.com.au understands the free agent has agreed to join the Suns and will notify the Tigers as early as this week.
Chol was weighing up a proposal from St Kilda but has ultimately decided he wants to join the Suns on a three-year deal with triggers for a fourth season.
It’s unclear how his salary will stack up for Richmond, which will be hoping for at least a third round selection as compensation.
The free agency period begins the Friday after the Grand Final and Chol will officially join the Suns then.
The 24-year-old has played 31 games and one final since debuting at Punt Road in 2016. Richmond sources had sensed for some time he would exercise his rights as a free agent.
Chol’s decision is a win for the Suns following a wide-ranging search for a key forward partner for Ben King.
They had offered five years to Callum Coleman-Jones, who has preferred North Melbourne.
Chol’s family lives in Acacia Ridge - roughly 70km from Metricon Stadium.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2021-mabior-chol-trade-to-gold-coast-suns-richmond-list-free-agency-tom-morris-callum-colemanjones/news-story/231186c580789335677650f6d362e5d8
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Mabior Chol has told the Tigers he is out and has formally agreed to a four-year deal with a new club (Gold Coast).
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1438047698167353346
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-follow-the-latest-richmond-contract-and-trade-moves/news-story/70e74b980a18e25e9d45e443320ea910
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Chol will join the suns on a four year deal.
@7NewsMelbourne has spoken to his manager one on one this afternoon.
More 645pm
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1438048676912394241
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Mabior Chol will be playing at the @GoldCoastSUNS in 2022
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https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1438048612076773377
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All the media running with this now.
Out of contract Tigers teammate Mabior Chol, who is an unrestricted free agent, is likely to accept an offer from Gold Coast.
The four-year contract offer is likely to earn the Tigers a third-round compensation pick. Potentially the pick could be as early as the second round, but that is doubtful and will hinge on the final amount of the contract.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-talls-set-to-join-kangaroos-suns-20210915-p58ryl.html
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Manager Ralph Carr on 7news just now confirming Chol is off to the Suns.
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Manager Ralph Carr on 7news just now confirming Chol is off to the Suns.
Here's the footage:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1438063339230224384
- 4 year deal with the Suns.
- Going home.
- Wants more senior game time.
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Manager Ralph Carr on 7news just now confirming Chol is off to the Suns.
Here's the footage:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1438063339230224384
- 4 year deal with the Suns.
- Going home.
- Wants more senior game time.
Ralph Carr has confirmed Chol will go to the Suns on a four year deal.
I understand it’s up to $400,000 a season.
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1438064823347015681
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I can understand this one as he will be closer to home and get better chances. Good luck
I hope they commit a little harder to CCJ
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He can't pass that up but ridiculous contract offer from the Sun's.
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4 year, 400k, what kind of compo would that likely be?
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3rd rounder probably 45.
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He’s an unrestricted free agent, do we even get compensated?
If we do get a pick in the 40s that would a very good result IMO. Would leave us with 3 picks in the 40s which we could surely bundle up to get another pick in the first round.
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No wonder sun's a basket case offering 4 years for players of this calibre.
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As an unrestricted free agent, Chol's move can be confirmed as early as October 1 when the free agency period begins.
"We're extremely excited that Mabior Chol will be going to the Gold Coast Suns for four years," Chol's manager Ralph Carr told Channel Seven.
"It was important for him to go home and get more opportunity to play senior football."
Chol qualifies as a free agent having previously been delisted by the Tigers and re-rookied at the end of 2018.
Depending on the size of his new deal, the Tigers will receive a free agency compensation pick.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/677263/richmond-free-agent-mabior-chol-set-to-join-gold-coast
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Gold Coast’s upgraded contract has clinched Chol. Suns removed the trigger for a fourth year, guaranteeing Chol a list spot until 2025. St Kilda misses on Mabior.
Freakish athlete isn’t finished product but six years of Richmond development a sound base.
Third-round compo likely.
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/1438073502716755969
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As a guide from last year, Adelaide received an end of second round (pick 36) as compensation for Rory Atkins.
The Suns offered Atkins a five-year deal worth approximately $400,000 per season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/523268
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The AFL won't give us 2nd round compo haha.
And if we take a FA like Talia then we get zilch, I believe.
So we are either getting 3rd round (probably pick 50 after more slides) or Talia.
I'd rather Talia if he's fit for half the season tbh.
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Delisted Free Agents don't effect compo. :shh
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As a guide from last year, Adelaide received an end of second round (pick 36) as compensation for Rory Atkins.
The Suns offered Atkins a five-year deal worth approximately $400,000 per season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/523268
Yup so based on how we got a second round pick while Geelong got a first round pick for what was essentially the same deal when Ellis and Motlop left respectively I’d say we’re looking at an end of third round pick. So somewhere in the deep 50s or early 60s after all the f/s and academy bids are considered.
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I can understand this one as he will be closer to home and get better chances. Good luck
I hope they commit a little harder to CCJ
Agree.
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Delisted Free Agents don't effect compo. :shh
Thanks for clarifying. Not saying I am sold on Talia but I trust the club to do due diligence.
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This leaves us with a real problem
Who’s left for the players to grab on the knob whilst singing the song?
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I fractured a couple of ribs last week. Your post hasnt helped. Laughter and fractured ribs not a good mix gentlemen.
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I fractured a couple of ribs last week. Your post hasnt helped. Laughter and fractured ribs not a good mix gentlemen.
This leaves us with a real problem
Who’s left for the players to grab on the knob whilst singing the song?
Biggie will just have to rise to the occasion.
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We won’t have to worry about hearing about Chol again.
The suns is a wasteland.
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Speaking on Fox Footy’s AFL 360, Hardwick said it was tough to face the prospect of losing Chol, but suggested it might be the best move for him.
“Mabs has been a friend of ours, my family, and started his journey six years ago. But he’s got a fantastic opportunity, four years up at Gold Coast – and I think he’s only scratching the surface of what he could become,” Hardwick told AFL 360.
“He’s looking forward to the change and I think, in fairness, he probably needs a change as well. But he can be a talent, that lad.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-richmond-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-mabior-chol-gold-coast-callum-colemanjones-north-melbourne-robbie-tarrant/news-story/57b3d3049e143252bba807706ab75d07).
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Unrestricted free agent Mabior Chol's switch from Richmond to Gold Coast could land the Tigers a third-round pick given he's 24 and younger than a typical free agent. The ruck/forward was delisted by the Tigers at the end of 2018, handing him 'free agency for life' status.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/679559/big-dog-hungry-for-more-demon-backflip-tiger-lifeline-extended).
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HeraldSun's Jon Ralph and Sam Landsberger also said Richmond are expecting a third round pick for Chol.
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Honestly reckon we've won out here.
All due respect to Mabior but I'd be blown away if he improves much more than he already has. Wishing him all the best.
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"We feel Mabior can play a little bit of forward to give a chop-out to Ben King. It was important to get someone to help with that."
- Suns' list manager Craig Cameron
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1442724786564567044
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"I like the Suns pickup of Mabior Chol. Witts has been a significant loss to injury and he'll provide cover" - Dal Santo
"If he reaches his potential teams will have to respect him in the forward line, and that will help Ben King" - Goddard
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443029551295057922
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Nekminit King is at RFC. Witts still rucking with Chol their main forward going at 30 goals/year.
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"I like the Suns pickup of Mabior Chol. Witts has been a significant loss to injury and he'll provide cover" - Dal Santo
"If he reaches his potential teams will have to respect him in the forward line, and that will help Ben King" - Goddard
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443029551295057922
Not convinced at all with him 4 years smells of typical suns no idea how to run a club.
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Mitch Cleary reckons Chol to Gold Coast will be done tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443408375690063873
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https://twitter.com/RalphCarrRCM/status/1443713728067747843
BREAKING | The first move of free agency! Mabior Chol is a Gold Coast Sun, per his agent Ralph Carr.
Done Deal for #Tyrepower
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443719859657850883
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Richmond will receive an end of Round Two selection in the 2021 NAB AFL Draft for Chol signing with Gold Coast.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1443829024384450572
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Whats the pick number?
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Whats the pick number?
Currently pick 38.
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38 - highway robbery but we'll take it.
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AFL mustn't see us as a threat anymore... :shh
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Use it to get an upgrade. Its not a bad result actually.
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The AFL's formula has consistently pointed to the age of the player being a key ingredient. It's important to note that Chol is the youngest free agent who has ever moved. 24yo after six years in AFL - qualified as an unrestricted FA given he was delisted previously in his career.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1443830669402984455
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"Richmond have been fantastic to Mabs and myself.
2016 they picked him up as a rookie, for Richmond to give him a go and to develop him - we are so thankful."
- Ralph Carr
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443842099422449665
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Pick 38 wowee. We’ve lucked out here.
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Pick 38 wowee. We’ve lucked out here.
My god, pick 38 was a steal!
There is no way he would have played anymore than 10 games again next year.
Good luck to him at the Gold Coast, let’s take the pick and run!!
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Turned pick 30 in the Rookie Draft into pick 38 in the National Draft...#footyalchemy :shh
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Turned pick 30 in the Rookie Draft into pick 38 in the National Draft...#footyalchemy :shh
He was pick 45 in 2016 Rookie draft, which was held 27/11/2015
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That’s like upgrading from Chris Jenner to Kendall Jenner!
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Turned pick 30 in the Rookie Draft into pick 38 in the National Draft...#footyalchemy :shh
He was pick 45 in 2016 Rookie draft, which was held 27/11/2015
He was pick 45 in the 2019 rookie draft when we delisted & re-drafted him...was originally taken at pick 30 in 2016 rookie draft... :shh :shh
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Turned pick 30 in the Rookie Draft into pick 38 in the National Draft...#footyalchemy :shh
He was pick 45 in 2016 Rookie draft, which was held 27/11/2015
He was pick 45 in the 2019 rookie draft when we delisted & re-drafted him...was originally taken at pick 30 in 2016 rookie draft... :shh :shh
Apologies, you are correct
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King takes aim at free agency compo formula
Jake Benoiton
zerohanger.com
October 3, 2021
David King has heavily criticised the AFL's free agency compensation formula after some seemingly peculiar compensation picks were handed out to start this year's proceedings.
Mabior Chol left Richmond having struggled for regular senior football for the Gold Coast. He was an unrestricted free agent and thus was able to pick his club and leave.
The Tigers were awarded an end-of-second-round selection, currently Pick 38.
Sydney landed an end-of-second-round pick for the loss of George Hewett. However, the Swans could have retained the 25-year-old as he was a restricted free agent. All they had to do was match Carlton's offer. They opted not to.
Hewett played 21 games in 2021 compared to just then ten for Chol. One player was seemingly a key part of his team's plans while another struggled to get a game.
King said while there was a place for compensation, the AFL had to sort out a proper system.
“It’s a bit like watching the wrestling. We all know it‘s bulls***, but there’s a place for it and we need it,” he told foxfooty.com.au.
“I like it being a bit weighted and pliable. Melbourne needed that Pick 3, it became Angus Brayshaw.
“OK you’re losing Frawley, but you’re getting Brayshaw, so it’s a down payment on seven year’s time. Can you afford to not have that for the teams that need it?
“I think you need compensation, but in saying that I don’t know how they come to the decision of Pick 3 or Pick 21 or whatever it is …. but I like it.”
https://www.zerohanger.com/king-takes-aim-at-free-agency-compo-formula-91907/
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https://www.instagram.com/mabiorchol
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Scrap compo
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Massive loss.
What a flog of a decision.
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Hurts.
If this guy was with us still I wouldn't be playing Jack ahead of him.
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Massive loss.
What a flog of a decision.
He was unrestricted free agent could go where he liked and there's nothing we could do. He is getting big $$$ at GC $$ we couldn't match
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Massive loss.
What a flog of a decision.
He was unrestricted free agent could go where he liked and there's nothing we could do. He is getting big $$$ at GC $$ we couldn't match
Thanks WP.
Pretty sure I know how the system works
We offered peanuts as we thought we had one more flag in us and this is the result.
Hard choices like signing up George and holding on to veterans has cost us a forward.
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Have never been a fan but will concede he is having a pretty good season.
Dont get the whinging. When a club gets things wrong all good have a go but ffs there is a total lack of balance here.
The bloke is from queensland. He strugled to get a game with us not for one year but 6 or so. He totally lacked any sort of consistency and was never going to get a game in front of Lynch or Riewoldt and he never really showed enough as a ruck/fwd to warrant a consistent string of games and when he did get strings of games he invariably failed.. He was on low coin for a reason.
Also from what i can remember i dont recall the club wanting him to go they just did not have the money.
For a big bloke i still think he lacks well to put it nice a bit of mongrel but he would be a handy third tall second ruck if we still had him.