One-Eyed Richmond Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on July 20, 2017, 12:21:58 PM
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Not too happy about this >:(
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-to-stick-with-cardinal-george-pell-who-holds-vice-patron-role-with-club-until-outcome-of-potential-trial/news-story/d52409cc37dfa89705816bc8a64014d0
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If he is innocent, I have no problem.
Isn't it a fundamental part of our way of life that we presume innocence till guilt is proven? Or am I missing something?
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If he is innocent, I have no problem.
Isn't it a fundamental part of our way of life that we presume innocence till guilt is proven? Or am I missing something?
You might be missing the fact that many people see it as morally reprehensible how he acted when investigating and responding institutional childhood SA.
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Both comments above have merit. Mind you, the ritualistic genital mutilation of kids by Jews and Muslims should be equally condemned and anyone adhering to the barbaric teachings of the Quran :chuck or the Torah :chuck should also be banished from the club.
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"Not that I can recall"
He loves using those words doesn't Georgey
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If he is innocent, I have no problem.
Isn't it a fundamental part of our way of life that we presume innocence till guilt is proven? Or am I missing something?
You might be missing the fact that many people see it as morally reprehensible how he acted when investigating and responding institutional childhood SA.
He admits to making serious mistakes but also does not admit to directly allowing things to "happen". He'll certainly face the consequences of his actions if he is found guilty. And so he should. He should be punished to the maximum of the law if that is so. But at the moment, all he is guilty of is following the ridiculous rules of the organisation he has given his life to. I am not so quick in condemning him to the point that many here would.
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If he is innocent, I have no problem.
Isn't it a fundamental part of our way of life that we presume innocence till guilt is proven? Or am I missing something?
You might be missing the fact that many people see it as morally reprehensible how he acted when investigating and responding institutional childhood SA.
He admits to making serious mistakes but also does not admit to directly allowing things to "happen". He'll certainly face the consequences of his actions if he is found guilty. And so he should. He should be punished to the maximum of the law if that is so. But at the moment, all he is guilty of is following the ridiculous rules of the organisation he has given his life to. I am not so quick in condemning him to the point that many here would.
Fair enough, I won't crack you for thinking that way but have you read about his demeanour and treatment of those who made complaints to him? There are no organisational rules that bind him to that.
Either way they go about it, the RFC are on a hiding to nothing.
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If he is innocent, I have no problem.
Isn't it a fundamental part of our way of life that we presume innocence till guilt is proven? Or am I missing something?
You might be missing the fact that many people see it as morally reprehensible how he acted when investigating and responding institutional childhood SA.
He admits to making serious mistakes but also does not admit to directly allowing things to "happen". He'll certainly face the consequences of his actions if he is found guilty. And so he should. He should be punished to the maximum of the law if that is so. But at the moment, all he is guilty of is following the ridiculous rules of the organisation he has given his life to. I am not so quick in condemning him to the point that many here would.
Fair enough, I won't crack you for thinking that way but have you read about his demeanour and treatment of those who made complaints to him? There are no organisational rules that bind him to that.
Either way they go about it, the RFC are on a hiding to nothing.
All your points have merit. However, this is also a legal nightmare for his church. Rightly or wrongly he probably thinks that showing too much empathy opens his organisation up for further litigation. He thus behaves in a way that we all interpret as brash and uncaring. Ironically, his organisation is all about the latter (showing care and compassion) but unfortunately this not shown when it feels it is under siege. I know of people that work in this organisation and they do a lot of work that isn't recognised by the general community. They provide food and cheap housing for those more unfortunate as well as education to those who need it. They are not priests. They are everyday people. Unfortunately those higher up in the food chain have performed extremely poorly (and in some cases abominably) and attention is diverted to all the bad things that have happened through the Catholic church rather than the good.
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If he is innocent, I have no problem.
Isn't it a fundamental part of our way of life that we presume innocence till guilt is proven? Or am I missing something?
What about standing down for the integrity of the club until the matter is resolved?
Police do.
From memory the StKilda players did.
If a player was charged with the same thing would we expect him to stand down from his duties?
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Both comments above have merit. Mind you, the ritualistic genital mutilation of kids by Jews and Muslims should be equally condemned and anyone adhering to the barbaric teachings of the Quran :chuck or the Torah :chuck should also be banished from the club.
How the stuff do you compare and equate institutional pedo rape and cover ups by the Catholic church with circumcision ? For the record, Muslims don't circumcise.
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Both comments above have merit. Mind you, the ritualistic genital mutilation of kids by Jews and Muslims should be equally condemned and anyone adhering to the barbaric teachings of the Quran :chuck or the Torah :chuck should also be banished from the club.
How the stuff do you compare and equate institutional pedo rape and cover ups by the Catholic church with circumcision ? For the record, Muslims don't circumcise.
I think he was referring to female genital mutilation for Muslims.
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If he is innocent, I have no problem.
Isn't it a fundamental part of our way of life that we presume innocence till guilt is proven? Or am I missing something?
What about standing down for the integrity of the club until the matter is resolved?
Police do.
From memory the StKilda players did.
If a player was charged with the same thing would we expect him to stand down from his duties?
Has he even been contacted? He probably has lot on his mind atm to worry about a footy club thing.
I'm fine with him remaining until proven guilty, there is too much trial by media/ social media going on.
IMHO he looks guilty as sin but until proven in a court of law...
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Both comments above have merit. Mind you, the ritualistic genital mutilation of kids by Jews and Muslims should be equally condemned and anyone adhering to the barbaric teachings of the Quran :chuck or the Torah :chuck should also be banished from the club.
How the stuff do you compare and equate institutional pedo rape and cover ups by the Catholic church with circumcision ? For the record, Muslims don't circumcise.
Yes they do Owl. They even round up all the boys in the town and have them line up. Each has to watch the other being done!
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Both comments above have merit. Mind you, the ritualistic genital mutilation of kids by Jews and Muslims should be equally condemned and anyone adhering to the barbaric teachings of the Quran :chuck or the Torah :chuck should also be banished from the club.
How the stuff do you compare and equate institutional pedo rape and cover ups by the Catholic church with circumcision ? For the record, Muslims don't circumcise.
. Physical harm is physical harm no matter the ritual 'significance'....and have you not heard of Muslim clittoral mutilation on girls???...
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Both comments above have merit. Mind you, the ritualistic genital mutilation of kids by Jews and Muslims should be equally condemned and anyone adhering to the barbaric teachings of the Quran :chuck or the Torah :chuck should also be banished from the club.
How the stuff do you compare and equate institutional pedo rape and cover ups by the Catholic church with circumcision ? For the record, Muslims don't circumcise .
Physical harm is physical harm no matter the ritual 'significance'....and have you not heard of Muslim clittoral mutilation on girls???...
Seriously though, how did you twist this from the systematic Catholic pedophile exploitation and protection racket in OUR country to a tissue thin bigoted swipe at two other religions? Are you a Mick? You are all the same to me cept Christians seem to molest more children and the Jews don't recruit.
p.s. Female genital mutilation is over 2000 years old and is of cultural origins which predate Islam, and yes I agree it is nasty but bear in mind, the people who became Christians practiced it as well.
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Both comments above have merit. Mind you, the ritualistic genital mutilation of kids by Jews and Muslims should be equally condemned and anyone adhering to the barbaric teachings of the Quran :chuck or the Torah :chuck should also be banished from the club.
How the stuff do you compare and equate institutional pedo rape and cover ups by the Catholic church with circumcision ? For the record, Muslims don't circumcise .
Physical harm is physical harm no matter the ritual 'significance'....and have you not heard of Muslim clittoral mutilation on girls???...
Seriously though, how did you twist this from the systematic Catholic pedophile exploitation and protection racket in OUR country to a tissue thin bigoted swipe at two other religions? Are you a Mick? You are all the same to me cept Christians seem to molest more children and the Jews don't recruit.
p.s. Female genital mutilation is over 2000 years old and is of cultural origins which predate Islam, and yes I agree it is nasty but bear in mind, the people who became Christians practiced it as well.
More nonsensical argumentation and justification of the barbaric treatment of children - today! And another insipid sledge towards me. And where are your stats regarding respective molestation by religious followers??? The Quran directly encourages it and Mo' was a paedophile! Yet I am called a bigot for pointing that out??? By he way it is instructive that your original post was only edited after I slammed back. This site is becoming an echo chamber for the dd&b.
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This is a stuffing football forum, if you want to peddle your psychopathic religious rants - pee of to the General Discussion forum.
The topic is about whether George Pell as an accused pedophile should stay on as a patron or not.
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This is a stuffing football forum, if you want to peddle your psychopathic religious rants - pee of to the General Discussion forum.
The topic is about whether George Pell as an accused pedophile should stay on as a patron or not.
You have just 'franked' my previous comment... :lol This is too easy......
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The only reason Pell is interested in RFC is a report some years ago that we play like a bunch of schoolboys :lol :whistle
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This is a stuffing football forum, if you want to peddle your psychopathic religious rants - pee of to the General Discussion forum.
The topic is about whether George Pell as an accused pedophile should stay on as a patron or not.
You have just 'franked' my previous comment... :lol This is too easy......
We just don't want pedo's or pedo protectors in our club. "Yeah but they did stuff too" is not a valid defence of pedo incorporated.
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Let's keep it as on topic as possible please.
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This is a stuffing football forum, if you want to peddle your psychopathic religious rants - pee of to the General Discussion forum.
The topic is about whether George Pell as an accused pedophile should stay on as a patron or not.
You have just 'franked' my previous comment... :lol This is too easy......
We just don't want pedo's or pedo protectors in our club. "Yeah but they did stuff too" is not a valid defence of pedo incorporated.
Here you go again listening to what you want to hear, rather than what has actually been said. Look at my first post. Pell needs to be held accountable if found guilty...I've no problem with that. What peees me off are those who go for the 'low hanging fruit' when right in front of them are examples of out-in-the-open ritualistic child abuse.
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Let's keep it as on topic as possible please.
The Pell witch hunt...and its hypocritical dimension..is "on-topic" Dooks imo.
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This is a stuffing football forum, if you want to peddle your psychopathic religious rants - pee of to the General Discussion forum.
The topic is about whether George Pell as an accused pedophile should stay on as a patron or not.
You have just 'franked' my previous comment... :lol This is too easy......
We just don't want pedo's or pedo protectors in our club. "Yeah but they did stuff too" is not a valid defence of pedo incorporated.
Here you go again listening to what you want to hear, rather than what has actually been said. Look at my first post. Pell needs to be held accountable if found guilty...I've no problem with that. What peees me off are those who go for the 'low hanging fruit' when right in front of them are examples of out-in-the-open ritualistic child abuse.
Pretty simple really, no excuses for pedophiles and the institutions that systematically hide and protect them. Some things are indefensible. As for "low hanging fruit" the Catholic church is James and the giant stuffing peach - bit hard to miss isn't it?
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-remove-george-pell-as-club-vice-patron-20190226-p510cf.html
About stuffing time.... :clapping
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As much as I am a big believer in letting justice run its course, this doesn't look great.
Writing was on the wall, should have cut the cord long ago.
I'm wondering if there wasn't some sort of legal concern that might have arisen if he was found innocent after we had severed ties?
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You would hope that was the main reason.....
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I'm wondering if there wasn't some sort of legal concern that might have arisen if he was found innocent after we had severed ties?
Considering the Catholic Church's "power" wouldn't surprise at all
Also, wonder if there was legal concern about prejudicing the actually trial?
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Any doubts to this guys guilt were completely dashed today by his own QC!!!
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What cracks me up is the other scumbags lining up to stick up for him after he has been found guilty....Andrew Bolt, Abbott and Howard haha, now if people cannot see the contempt they have for the common man/woman I don't know what else will show them. Hey we are the elite we are allowed to molest your children.
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Boys will be boys...:shh
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What cracks me up is the other scumbags lining up to stick up for him after he has been found guilty....Andrew Bolt, Abbott and Howard haha, now if people cannot see the contempt they have for the common man/woman I don't know what else will show them. Hey we are the elite we are allowed to molest your children.
Some are now weirdly comparing Pell to Lindy Chamberlain. Trying to portray Pell as some sort of martyr :facepalm. It's like a cult with every member in denial. To them the abused, the courts, the media, etc are all out to get him and them in some giant conspiracy theory ::).
Any doubts to this guys guilt were completely dashed today by his own QC!!!
Bingo!
There is a technical legal argument that you can't refute the conviction and the QC of the convicted individual aims to minimise the eventual sentence. But, what a bizarre and sick thing for anyone to say let alone a QC. Since when is any sexual abuse classed as "plain vanilla"!
If you genuinely were innocent you wouldn't admit the crime occurred in any shape or form. You'd simply head to the Court of Appeal.
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Pell's QC has had a hissy fit and stepped aside before the appeal.
What cracks me up is the other scumbags lining up to stick up for him after he has been found guilty....Andrew Bolt, Abbott and Howard haha, now if people cannot see the contempt they have for the common man/woman I don't know what else will show them. Hey we are the elite we are allowed to molest your children.
A point-by-point rebuttal to Bolt's article by the wife of a survivor of clergy abuse :clapping.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/04/andrew-bolt-please-stop-implying-that-you-know-all-the-facts-about-george-pell
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Pell sentenced to 6 years jail with a parole period of 3 years 8 months.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-13/cardinal-george-pell-sentenced-for-sexually-abusing-choirboys/10876012
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Pell's appeal has been rejected.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/george-pell-appeal-decision-watch-live/news-story/9b95c6db17499db27369724ee28b3b9b
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Andrew Bolt is very upset
Says he's lost trust in our legal system
Can't post a link because it's behind the pesky paywall :rollin
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My lawyer niece -who's a raving leftist- reckons he was stitched up and the verdict's a shocker, based on what she and others (not Andrew Bolt) have told me, I'm inclined to agree but I also believe he did actually do stuff decades ago that they couldn't get him for...so it all balances out in a perverted kind of way.. ..at the very least he should be in jail for all the shyte he covered up and all the pedo priests he protected... :shh
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/pell-to-walk-free-after-high-court-overturns-conviction-20200407-p54hqe.html
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Boys will be boys........:shh :shh
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Just hope the club doesn't reinstate the prick now....imagine that... :shh
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Absolutely disgusted.
Surely the church has bought the court!?!?
Hope he gets COVID-19 and there are no beds available for him!!
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The Attorney General should release the full findings of the Royal Commission ASAP
All the parts redated due to his criminal trials should be released NOW
Failure to do so will taint this Attorney General and the govt he is part of
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Caro asked Eddie on FC if we should reinstate Pell as the #1 ticket holder...not surprisingly he refused to answer and said it was a matter for us but one of the reasons Collingwood don't have a #1 ticket holder is so they don't end up in situations like this....I dare say we should probably follow suit.... :shh
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Caro asked Eddie on FC if we should reinstate Pell as the #1 ticket holder...not surprisingly he refused to answer and said it was a matter for us but one of the reasons Collingwood don't have a #1 ticket holder is so they don't end up in situations like this....I dare say we should probably follow suit.... :shh
Technically, Edward Dunstan has been and is our #1 ticket holder. Before him was David Mandie from memory. Pell was a vice-patron before he got the flick from the Club.
Caro answered her own question of whether Pell should be reinstated as a patron with a clear "no".
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George Pell won't be reinstated as Vice Patron, says Richmond.
Paywall: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/george-pell-wont-be-reinstated-as-vice-patron-says-richmond/news-story/babb70f2dc1a888175dc211c04dd1733 (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/george-pell-wont-be-reinstated-as-vice-patron-says-richmond/news-story/babb70f2dc1a888175dc211c04dd1733)
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Cardinal George Pell aware of clergy sexual abuse for decades: royal commission.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/long-awaited-george-pell-royal-commission-findings-released-20200507-p54qmo.html
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/ch-ild-sex-abuse-royal-commission-findings-on-george-pell-to-be-released/news-story/d2cf13ab8771ce56e577f7c92cc8b15e
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/cardinal-george-pell-dies-vatican-aged-81/101843096
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I don’t believe in heaven and hell
But if I did, I know this (insert strong swear word) will be going to hell
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Karma bus at work