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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on June 20, 2004, 02:27:33 AM
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I have always felt the standard of umpiring has slipped dramatically the past few years but tonight took the cake. That third quarter was an absolute joke. We were laughing our heads off. The poor orange sods couldn't get one decision correct. Luckily the frees went our way mostly.
The holding the ball rule no longer exists. You can have the ball for ages, take on half the opposition, get tackled and when the ball spills loose it's called play-on ???
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Umpiring was very poor, there were some trival frees paid to both teams
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Don't know how many we got in the third - but at one stage we had 12 - the highest amount of frees for any team this season. And we got a few more after that stage.
Talking of stats - when stafford marked in the 2nd quarter and goaled. That was the second mark in the fwd 50 up to that stage of the game - abysmal.
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55 fress for the game - in our favour 35 to 20.
I watched the repay of the last half when I got home. In between port and chocolates I think they said the free count in the third was something 16 to the tigers and 1 to Carlton.
It was a joke - hence why I spent so much time laughing. No holding the ball, push in the backs paid when they were fair bumps - it's supposed to be a tough game after last night - yeah right
And BTW I think Fevola maybe in a lot of strife over Brown going down - looks bad.
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They're kidding.
This current crop of umpires is as bad as their coach and mentor,Geischen.
Put the yamuka back on Geoff,you;re a joke.
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the Umpires association wants to send Geish back to tigerland, lol
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Umpiring especially in that first half was pathetic today :banghead.
How the hell did Shane Parker gets awarded frees when he had his back to the play and wasn't even looking at the ball pushing Richo ???. What a joke! Back to the bush for Umpire Grum ::).
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Umpiring especially in that first half was pathetic today :banghead.
Umpires what umpires? Those blokes in red? I thought they just warming up in first half so they could umpire the Auskick games ;D
What about Pavlich's 50m penalty. Takes a mark sooks to the umpire and get 50. It was like watching Matthew Lloyd
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What about Pavlich's 50m penalty. Takes a mark sooks to the umpire and get 50. It was like watching Matthew Lloyd
That happened right in front of me. Pavlich took the mark but the footy spilled onto the ground as he and Razor fell to the ground. Pavlich went to scoop the ball up and play on while Hall was on the ground but Razor reached out and held the footy where it was. Umpire then gives 50 to Pavlich ???. The members weren't too happy :rollin. Natural justice came into the play anyway when he missed the goal. Suffer! ;D
The other one was the ridiculous push in the back free paid to Farmer after he had about half an hour to dispose of the ball trying to take us on :banghead.
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Both of these decisions right in front of me as well and just the most ludicrous crap I have ever seen.
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The 50 m penalty was ordinary, but i actually agreed with the Farmer one as the tiger player actually cannoned into his back. The free paid against Richo was a disgrace because not only was it not a free against Richo it was actually a free for him as Parker wasn't looking at the ball and made contact with him. Got no idea what the free was for because Richo made no contact with him.
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This probably belongs in the McLaren thread but we got absolutely screwed tonight by the other 2 clowns also tonight. If a Tiger fell on the ball it was holding the ball but if a Saint did the same thing it was a ball-up. The we had Riewoldt the protected specie while Richo gets continually dragged back by the shoulder and no free. Disgraceful :banghead. A Saitns fan at quarter time says to me you got 5 frees to 1. Yeah but that one was in front of goal while all ours were in defence ::).
And what happened when Will went off. Rainesy had possession before the game was stopped then the idiots say it's a ball-up 50m out from the Saints goal. If that's the rule then it's a joke; if it's not then that's plain cheating >:(.
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I was actualky going to start a whole new thread devoted to Richo being crucified by the umpires.
Seriously what does the man have to do to get a free kick? :banghead
Gehrig gets a free in the first (quite rightly it's the rule btw) for having his arms chopped and being touched - Richo gets held and we get play on - :banghead :banghead give me a break will ya.
Hello Geish and your band of merry green snots - let me spell it for you C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y - that's all we want
And to make matters worse
The question becomes even more important when in the final quarter Simmonds got a free kick directly in front for being held :banghead
That happended to Richo on at least 6-7 occassions and what did the umpires do ??? :help
Flap their arms like lunatics and call "play on" - can we get fair dinkum here or what. If the bloody free quick is there it should be paid no matter who the player is.
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Maybe Richo needs to change his name by deed poll to Matty Lloyd or Nick Riewoldt and get an extreme pretty boy makeover ::).
I still don't understand after Thursty went was stretchered off why it was a ball up when we had possession when the game was stopped ???.
As you say WP what we want is consistency and umpires who make decisions in the spirit of the game. Penalising us like that was just utter crap.
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And what about Simmonds having his mark (in front of goal btw) taken off him. The ball was within 5 metres and he only used his body (cause his arms were in the air) to bump his opponent sideways and yet he was free kicked. The saints ended up scoring a goal from that passage of play. Wonder if it made a difference to the score...hmmm let me see, no shot on goal for us and a goal for them - 12 point turnaraound in a game we lost by 1 points.
Along with you MT, I'm still flabbergasted that they bounced the ball after Thursty was taken off when we had clear possession when the game was stopped.....NOT HAPPY...... :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Along with you MT, I'm still flabbergasted that they bounced the ball after Thursty was taken off when we had clear possession when the game was stopped.....NOT HAPPY...... :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Unfortunately, they are the rules :(
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That rule needs changing them. How ridiculous can you get >:(.
And what about Simmonds having his mark (in front of goal btw) taken off him. The ball was within 5 metres and he only used his body (cause his arms were in the air) to bump his opponent sideways and yet he was free kicked. The saints ended up scoring a goal from that passage of play. Wonder if it made a difference to the score...hmmm let me see, no shot on goal for us and a goal for them - 12 point turnaraound in a game we lost by 1 points.
The ump penalised Simmo for being stronger ???. Another example that most of the umps these days have no understanding of the game. Even if something is technically there if it's incidental contact and had no effect on the play it should not be a free.
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I must have missed the memo that said the holding the ball rule no longer exists ???
Just 1 free kick to us (to the Dees 9) in a half of footy. What a joke :scream.
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I must have missed the memo that said the holding the ball rule no longer exists ???
It's been archived into the same place as push in the back. I reckon that there were 3 or 4 direct goals scored from blatant frees not being paid.
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Main recipient of this "change" on Sunday....
Brock McLean - couldn't believe, not once but twice :banghead :banghead
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More convinced umps don't want to or are instructed not to pay holding the ball anymore. I still can't understand why early in the last quarter by the MCC members that Carlton player wasn't pinged for holding the ball? ??? If that isn't holding the ball then the rule not longer exists. A crucial point in the game too with the scores still close.
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Bondy on 3aw just confirmed.
A Tiger caller rang up saying the umps cost us the game as even the commentators said during the game they were soft frees and 50 metres except for the double goal where Moore got pinged. Bucks replied you can't blame the umps for a game as it evens out. Richmond lost Richmond the game in the last quarter.
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That one against Jackson was complete bs, he was halfyway in the tackle when disposal was made. Nothing in Jacksons tackle at all, stop stuffing with the game leave the rules alone, all it does is leave crappy rules and crappier interpretation. :banghead
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Umpiring for both side was shocking
no wonder with a idiot like Geoff Geishien running the umpires
fair dinkum umpiring in the AFL is at its worst
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Umpiring for both side was shocking
no wonder with a idiot like Geoff Geishien running the umpires
fair dinkum umpiring in the AFL is at its worst
The rules comes from the top = Adrian Anderson :banghead. Too busy looking for soft ticky-touchwood frees off the ball and incidental contact rather than having the umps focus on the contest. Last night's umpiring display was a joke thanks to McBurney and today was no different.
They've also changed the interpretation of holding the ball. Prior opportunity has suddenly gone. That call against Whitey was laughable. He had no chance.
Moore getting pinged is the rule by the letter of the law and he was dumb to do it but Mark Williams is right. The game is so precious now. Like that has any effect on the actual game ::).
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You can choose your friends but not your family, TM.
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I actually feel a little sorry for the umpires, they struggle to get the rules right, then some morons go and change them or add some. It's such a fast game that I'm sure some blow their whistles a little to early to cover their ass, but then have to follow through. The AFL are the d*cks, the umpires are just the poor schmuks stuck in the middle.
Did I just stick up for the maggots????? :shh
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You can choose your friends but not your family, TM.
haha Fishy you had to stab me with that one didn't you ;D :thumbsup
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some of those decisions were farcical...how on earth could have jackson avoided that , he would have had to immediately stop swingging GA half way to the ground at which point he released the ball...impossibly...I thought this rule was supposed to snub out the Milburn tackle on edwards last yr that was miles too long and rough...bloody outraged...well done umpires butchered the game :clapping
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They showed the Jacko one on Before the Game. So you're now meant to stop a tackle halfway through ???.
Apologies to Kel. It was Luke who punched the ball away behind the goal. Very silly brain fade.
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As long as Anderson and co have noone to reign them in on their interpretations and rule changes then the adjudicating on match day will get worse and worse. Standards are slumping b/c the rules get changed all to frequently and the umpires themselves have NFI most of the time. We can blame the umps all we want as they are the ones making the match day decisions but we should start at the top first and blame AA and AD.
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Well said Tucky :clapping
They just had another shocker like the Jacko one in the Swans-Hawks game paid against Barry Hall. A massive 50 too. It's a joke of a rule that something so soft and irrelevant to the play is paid not only a free but also 50m which costs goals. Only an idiot could think of such a rule change and Adrian Anderson is that idiot :banghead.
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It's all a joke especially since Adrian Anderson has never played the game at the highest level. Its lawyers in high profile position causing mayhem madness and confusion.
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I hope Before the Game next week gives Tool of the Week to that umpire in the Swans-Hawk game who told the Swans' player who was ready for the kick-in to put the ball he had back in the bag and grab another one. It wasted a whole minute over nothing ???. The Swans' player who couldn't believe what the ump was making him do went over to the bag behind the goal, put the ball in one-handed and then grabbed the same footy back out of the bag :lol. Good on him :clapping.
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That one against Jackson was complete bs, he was halfyway in the tackle when disposal was made. Nothing in Jacksons tackle at all, stop stuffing with the game leave the rules alone, all it does is leave crappy rules and crappier interpretation. :banghead
well you can blame those 2 idiots in KB and the Fatfu.. Geesh for todays game and any rule change that goes on
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Tigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
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The Swans' player who couldn't believe what the ump was making him do went over to the bag behind the goal, put the ball in one-handed and then grabbed the same footy back out of the bag :lol. Good on him :clapping.
:lol :lol :lol
Unbelievable
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Tigers opposed to new penalty
Jake Niall | April 5, 2009
RICHMOND, unhappy with the new rule that mandates a 50-metre penalty when a player is "taken out" of play, will seek a second audience with the umpiring department after yesterday's loss to the Cats.
Coach Terry Wallace said the Tigers had been opposed to the new rule, which is supposed to stop players who dispose of the ball being slung and taken out of the action, and would seek clarification this week.
While the Tigers would not comment on specifics, they were the victim of the rule at an important moment in the third quarter when Daniel Jackson interfered with Joel Corey, resulting in a 50-metre penalty and goal. Just moments earlier, the Tigers had been on the receiving end of a "double goal" when Luke McGuane was penalised after punching the ball into the crowd, resulting in a shot from the goal line immediately after a goal.
"Each of the clubs were asked whether they wanted the rule brought in or they didn't want the rule brought in," Wallace said. "We had had a look at it in all games over the NAB Cup and thought that there were just too many variants in what was going on," said Wallace.
"Brian Royal spoke to Jeff Gieschen again, and we spoke to our playing group about it again on Friday.
"We'll be going back to the umpires department for interpretation. We'll just keep working with the umpires department till we've got a greater understanding."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/tigers-opposed-to-new-penalty/2009/04/04/1238833226112.html
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"We'll be going back to the umpires department for interpretation. We'll just keep working with the umpires department till we've got a greater understanding."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/tigers-opposed-to-new-penalty/2009/04/04/1238833226112.html
Good luck to you, I doubt whether they understand what they are doing
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They showed the Jacko one on Before the Game. So you're now meant to stop a tackle halfway through ???.
Apologies to Kel. It was Luke who punched the ball away behind the goal. Very silly brain fade.
Yeah stupid thing to do but is worth another goal? They have a pile of footys sitting in a bag behind the goals so it is hardly time wasting and you have to wait for the ads to finnish on tv before they bounce the thing anyway. Maybe a free from the centre square?
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Let's not let the now "Old Chestnut" of hands in the back go under the radar..... have always said it is a stupid rule simple because the they miss as many as they give .... :banghead
In the final qtr ... Tiges 6 points up with all the momentum, Joel on the lead 30 mts out and not one but two hands in his back and the arms are a flappin "play on" 30 seconds later in the same area Jnr gets a free for a high takles that was below the shoulders..... :banghead :banghead
Geelong fans sitting behinds us start laughing "geez we were lucky Bowden should have Garny shouldn't have" ....
Bloody fantastic ... another goal to Geelong from a dodgy free
And let's not forget the throw to Johnson by junior in the last either
Look I don't believe in blaming umpires but struth some of the goals that Geelong got gifted yesterday were softer than Richmond were against Carlton the week before :banghead
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Let's not let the now "Old Chestnut" of hands in the back go under the radar..... have always said it is a stupid rule simple because the they miss as many as they give .... :banghead
In the final qtr ... Tiges 6 points up with all the momentum, Joel on the lead 30 mts out and not one but two hands in his back and the arms are a flappin "play on" 30 seconds later in the same area Jnr gets a free for a high takles that was below the shoulders..... :banghead :banghead
Geelong fans sitting behinds us start laughing "geez we were lucky Bowden should have Garny shouldn't have" ....
Bloody fantastic ... another goal to Geelong from a dodgy free
And let's not forget the throw to Johnson by junior in the last either
Look I don't believe in blaming umpires but struth some of the goals that Geelong got gifted yesterday were softer than Richmond were against Carlton the week before :banghead
Say it how it is, WP :clapping
I was so spewing at the do-gooders on here bagging our players for doing silly things ::)
The umpiring was a disgrace and stuff the letter of the law :banghead
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all i will say is i hope that the umpires and gieshen all get their butt holes raped by a really prickly cactus
they cost us the biggest upset in footy history
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all i will say is i hope that the umpires and gieshen all get their butt holes raped by a really prickly cactus
they cost us the biggest upset in footy history
Crass (defn: So crude and unrefined as to be lacking in discrimination and sensibility)
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why should i be sensible when it comes to umpires, should not have been nathan jones' dad getting his jaw broken on the w/e but the umpires and gieshen. why be sensible when it is not half obvious that geishen and the umpires have an agenda against richmond. dont know why terry and the club dont do a collingwood after every game we get screwed because making an appointment to seek clarification is a total waste of time. put the umpires in the spotlight, cop a fine if you get one but tell the afl world that they way we get unjustly treated on the field by umpires is just not on.
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Let's not let the now "Old Chestnut" of hands in the back go under the radar..... have always said it is a stupid rule simple because the they miss as many as they give .... :banghead
In the final qtr ... Tiges 6 points up with all the momentum, Joel on the lead 30 mts out and not one but two hands in his back and the arms are a flappin "play on" 30 seconds later in the same area Jnr gets a free for a high takles that was below the shoulders..... :banghead :banghead
Geelong fans sitting behinds us start laughing "geez we were lucky Bowden should have Garny shouldn't have" ....
Bloody fantastic ... another goal to Geelong from a dodgy free
And let's not forget the throw to Johnson by junior in the last either
Look I don't believe in blaming umpires but struth some of the goals that Geelong got gifted yesterday were softer than Richmond were against Carlton the week before :banghead
Say it how it is, WP :clapping
I was so spewing at the do-gooders on here bagging our players for doing silly things ::)
The umpiring was a disgrace and eff the letter of the law :banghead
Yes it was Moi and the worst decision (and most crucial) of the whole p-poor lot was the free and 50 paid against Jackson. Absolute disgraceful decision.
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I apologise for taking it out on you people.
The umps upset me so much yesterday I am in melt down.
See you in a week when I've calmed down.
I will say though in parting that if you put up with garbage like that then it makes you complicit in the decisions the AFL make to fix a game that wasn't broke. And because you don't argue, leaves the little darlings open to making more unbelievable changes to what was once a great game.
Apologies again and see you for the game against the Bullies
:gotigers
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Yes it was Moi and the worst decision (and most crucial) of the whole p-poor lot was the free and 50 paid against Jackson. Absolute disgraceful decision.
It is a supposed to be a contact sport. tackling is one of the great parts of our game
If the Jackson thing had happened (say 30 seconds) after the disposal of the ball, then fair enough because that is what that rule was bought in for
But to penalise someone for actually laying a tackle is worse than p-poor it's effin joke.
Based on the decision yesterday Jackson should have let go of Corey as he was handballing... Jackson does that and we as supporters would want Jackson's blood for not tackling
This game is beign ruined by nuffers :banghead :banghead
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Tigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
That loss has done heaps for my confidence and i have no doubt the players as well. We match it with the cats for a 1/4, flogged them for the another! How many teams have gone in with 2 debutants, a first game club player with 7 games and kicked 8 in a quater against Geelong in recent history? Good on Tigers for trying to match Geelong and not playing flooding football or possesion :clapping It seems that the only football followers bagging our loss yesterday are Richmond supporters, the others are paying us respect
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The "12" point play was due to an awfull kick by king which went straight to Mooney.No wonder McGuane punched the ball in disgust.
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Tigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
Exactly how I feel Daniel- actually missed the footage of the game and was not interested when we lost. Mates have said it was an honourable loss- my view, it is a LOSS, not good enough. From reports in the press, Wallace feels the same as there apparently lots of noise from the coach directed at the players after the game. So there should be too. A loss is a loss in my book, no matter who we play.
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Tigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
Exactly how I feel Daniel- actually missed the footage of the game and was not interested when we lost. Mates have said it was an honourable loss- my view, it is a LOSS, not good enough. From reports in the press, Wallace feels the same as there apparently lots of noise from the coach directed at the players after the game. So there should be too. A loss is a loss in my book, no matter who we play.
A loss is a loss, that states the obvious! What you and Daniel are missing the point on is that a loss, a narrow one that is, can create momemtum. That 3rd quarter, and really the 2nd as well, showed how we can play. Mentally weak is a harsh call as they have bodies bigger than ours. Geelongs body language was puss poor compared to ours. You cant win every game, especially games against Geelong, so be postive as it character building to show foresight in times of trouble. It is mentally weak,as Daniel puts it, to be negative and self handicap. Truth be known, i would have taken 20 point loss before the game, o reckon a few others would have felt the same
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Happens to every team at Kardinia park. Umpires always pleasing the one sided crowd. Its like playing against 20 men on the park.
I hate Kardinia park. Its a disgrace that geelong still play home games there when every other club in Voctoria has lost its suburban ground.
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The "12" point play was due to an awfull kick by king which went straight to Mooney.No wonder McGuane punched the ball in disgust.
Yeah another defining moment that kick by King
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Browny called the punching the ball away rule "silly".
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-blast-rule-68039
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Tigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
Exactly how I feel Daniel- actually missed the footage of the game and was not interested when we lost. Mates have said it was an honourable loss- my view, it is a LOSS, not good enough. From reports in the press, Wallace feels the same as there apparently lots of noise from the coach directed at the players after the game. So there should be too. A loss is a loss in my book, no matter who we play.
A loss is a loss, that states the obvious! What you and Daniel are missing the point on is that a loss, a narrow one that is, can create momemtum. That 3rd quarter, and really the 2nd as well, showed how we can play. Mentally weak is a harsh call as they have bodies bigger than ours. Geelongs body language was puss poor compared to ours. You cant win every game, especially games against Geelong, so be postive as it character building to show foresight in times of trouble. It is mentally weak,as Daniel puts it, to be negative and self handicap. Truth be known, i would have taken 20 point loss before the game, o reckon a few others would have felt the same
Last week we got smashed and humilliated but this week i feel exactly the same.
We are one week away from virtually not making the finals, yet again.
Same players, same problems i saw yesterday. Tackling in the 3rd was great but why the fu.. cant we do that every week like the Pies do most weeks. I just dont get it!!
No forward structure which is the most worrying sign and yet again Richo leading the way.
Schulz is dead wood and another soon to be Meyer.
Rance was the best thing about yesterday.
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They showed the Jacko one on Before the Game. So you're now meant to stop a tackle halfway through ???.
Apologies to Kel. It was Luke who punched the ball away behind the goal. Very silly brain fade.
Yeah stupid thing to do but is worth another goal? They have a pile of footys sitting in a bag behind the goals so it is hardly time wasting and you have to wait for the ads to finnish on tv before they bounce the thing anyway. Maybe a free from the centre square?
They showed the Jacko one on Before the Game. So you're now meant to stop a tackle halfway through ???.
Apologies to Kel. It was Luke who punched the ball away behind the goal. Very silly brain fade.
Yeah stupid thing to do but is worth another goal? They have a pile of footys sitting in a bag behind the goals so it is hardly time wasting and you have to wait for the ads to finnish on tv before they bounce the thing anyway. Maybe a free from the centre square?
I agree it is a stupid rule and the punishment is over the top as you say GR with the bag of balls and now the time before the next bounce extended to 45 seconds to appease the tv networks ::). But we know the rule, other players from other clubs have been pinged for it, and you just need to keep your head and discipline and not do it. Same goes for mouthing off at the ump. The modern mantra is don't give the umps even the slightest excuse to pay a free against you. What Lukey did just compounded King's error even it was just out of frustration.
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Browny called the punching the ball away rule "silly".
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-blast-rule-68039
Vlad wants $10 000 please.
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Ball-punch rule 'stupid', Nathan Brown says
Jon Ralph | April 06, 2009
RICHMOND forward Nathan Brown yesterday labelled as "stupid" the law penalising players who punch the ball into the crowd after a goal is scored.
The Tigers were hit with a "double goal" at a crucial stage in the third quarter after defender Luke McGuane angrily smashed the ball away after a Cameron Mooney goal.
He was penalised, allowing Tom Hawkins to goal from the top of the goalsquare.
Players and coaches were yesterday united in their opinion that while the rule is valid, the penalty is too extreme.
Brown said on Channel 9 that a free kick from the centre square was more appropriate.
"It's a stupid rule . . . Lukey McGuane has hit the ball away. Obviously you shouldn't do it, but Luke was frustrated," Brown said.
"We go down to Geelong and we are working very hard to get back to just about level pegging, and they pay something like that.
"The umpire has to have a little bit of feel for the spirit of the situation of the game in this situation and probably not pay a free kick in front of the goals.
"Probably a free kick back in the middle would have been better. You have to understand where the game is at.
"Luke probably shouldn't have done it but I didn't think it warranted a free kick right in front either."
The rule was initiated at a time when punching the ball away was seen as time-wasting.
But there is a bag of replacement balls behind the goals, and umpires have 45 seconds to bring the ball back to the centre square, up from 30 seconds.
Geelong midfielder Joel Selwood said the penalty did not seem to fit the crime.
"I wouldn't do it personally but I don't reckon there's too much in it," Selwood said.
"They can get another ball out of the bag.
"At that stage of the game it was pretty crucial to us getting back in front so we will take it any day of the week."
Melbourne assistant coach Scott West told Channel 7 a free kick should be paid from the centre of the ground, not the goalsquare.
"It is a harsh penalty for a brain fade," West said.
"It should be a free kick but it should be back in the centre. After the goal is scored the ball goes back to the centre and it's a free kick."
On Saturday Richmond voiced its disapproval at the new law, which penalised players who held an opponent too long in the tackle.
Coach Terry Wallace said the club would seek clarification on the rule.
Selwood said while the intent of the rule was correct, it was being incorrectly applied.
The rule is supposed to be to prevent professional fouls, but Tiger Daniel Jackson was penalised after holding on to Joel Corey fractionally too long.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25294904-19742,00.html
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mcguane is an idiot. A rule is a Rule and he should know better.
Blame him.
if he is our 2nd best defender then we are in trouble.
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l'm afraid to say that football is becoming a all time low with supporters as the AFL is changing the rules of the game every year & this putting alot more preasure on the umpires.
But in saying that there are 3 umpires out on that ground & they are getting the basic rules wrong! yes basic rules for holding the ball, dropping the ball, incorrect disposal, holding the man,
The AFL has made the game too fast for the umpires & a perfect example is the Garry Ablett handball which was a handball ruled as incorrect disposal.
Its about time the supporters started to picket the AFL doorstep & protest about the changing of rules constantly & leaving the game alone
make a sign & show it at the game, how you hate the AFL changing the rules & changing the game before its too late because many supporters are blaming the umpires.
All umpires make mistakes ues but these rule changes are made for no good reasons
Changing our game is changing the way the public enjoy it. l'm starting to not enjoy the game l'm watching compared to when l was younger the game was the best thing going round
Its time the supporters protested to the AFL to show them that we are the paying public & without our continue support the AFL would be still the enjoyable VFL & State of Origin would be still the biggest game apart from the Grand Final
Only downturn to what l said above is that l'm all for the AFL exspansion but since Demetriou & Anderson got onboard they turned it to $$$$$$ & greed. its simply not family football anymore. The present AFL $$$$ guys are in damage control & the umpiring & rules clearly show that
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Good post TM - I agree 100%, although I think the 'greed' thing started before Demetriou and co - they have just taken it to new levels.
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That one against Jackson was complete bs, he was halfyway in the tackle when disposal was made. Nothing in Jacksons tackle at all, stop stuffing with the game leave the rules alone, all it does is leave crappy rules and crappier interpretation. :banghead
I agree totally Chuck-There was nothing wrong with Jacksons tackle.Mind blowing decision. :banghead
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l'm afraid to say that football is becoming a all time low with supporters as the AFL is changing the rules of the game every year & this putting alot more preasure on the umpires.
But in saying that there are 3 umpires out on that ground & they are getting the basic rules wrong! yes basic rules for holding the ball, dropping the ball, incorrect disposal, holding the man,
The AFL has made the game too fast for the umpires & a perfect example is the Garry Ablett handball which was a handball ruled as incorrect disposal.
Its about time the supporters started to picket the AFL doorstep & protest about the changing of rules constantly & leaving the game alone
make a sign & show it at the game, how you hate the AFL changing the rules & changing the game before its too late because many supporters are blaming the umpires.
All umpires make mistakes ues but these rule changes are made for no good reasons
Changing our game is changing the way the public enjoy it. l'm starting to not enjoy the game l'm watching compared to when l was younger the game was the best thing going round
Its time the supporters protested to the AFL to show them that we are the paying public & without our continue support the AFL would be still the enjoyable VFL & State of Origin would be still the biggest game apart from the Grand Final
Only downturn to what l said above is that l'm all for the AFL exspansion but since Demetriou & Anderson got onboard they turned it to $$$$$$ & greed. its simply not family football anymore. The present AFL $$$$ guys are in damage control & the umpiring & rules clearly show that
Great post TM, I hate the AFL with the same passion I love the tigers. And same as you, I dont enjoy watching the game so much anymore, the new rules have crucified it and leaving a game you feel frustrated and angry and totally powerless to change anything :banghead
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l have not come across one football fan who is happy with the rule changes of the game & the interpretation of the rules.
Spectators are so confused with the holding the ball rule & we see indecretions every week & thats with 3 field umpires.
The AFL is never going to do anything & continue to change the game if us the supporters dont let them know how we all feel.
l'm totally disgusted in the interpretation of the rules.
The rules need to be clarified & the umpires need to be taught how to umpire the bloody game properly.
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As Sam Newman used to say the umpires are there to enforce the rules, not interpret them!These new rules needed another NAB Cup to trial them out!
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The holding the ball rule looks like it has changed from the games I've seen this year. They're cracking down on prior opportunity. Mind you they usually go overboard in the early rounds before settling down with a more lenient attitude. The umps are also confusing themselves with this new holding on after the ball rule. It's meant to be paid for when there are two clear distinct separate actions; not for when a player goes through with a tackle ::) :banghead.
There are too many rules and too many rule changes and interpretations for the umps to keep up with. The game has sped up too as TM said which makes it even harder for the umps. The blame though goes to the top = Adrian Anderson and Jeff Geischen. If I had my way I'd scrap every rule change over the past 5 years (except for the centre circle rule which protects ruckmen from PCL injuries and charging into a player's head whose body is over the ball) and for the umps to be instructed to pay only blatant frees rather than ticky-touchwood ones from incidental contact especially off the ball when it has no effect on the flow of the game. I'd take the mics off the umps as well. They should be sight unseen lol.
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I'd take the mics off the umps as well.
'It's on the DVD'
The McGuane/Jackson decisions were stoopidity of the highest level.
effing Anderson. >:( >:(
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Unfortunately, the umpire was going by the letter of the rule book. The free kick was paid as it should have been. The issue is that just another bloody rule change has again highlighted the folly of knee-jerk reactions to isolated incidents on the field. Time wasting after kicking a goal hasn't been an issue for 30 years (well, never that I can remember to be honest) yet we have this utterly ridiculous and over the top rule introduced to counter it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it is as apt now as it ever was but the leading lights at AFL House seem determined to put their stamp on the 'current game' regardless of the cost. And they're stuffing it up. A free kick on the goal line for an action out of play, that has no impact on any player or official or game time? Get real. Fine him if you need to be seen to be doing something but don't penalise the team when it doesn't affect the game.
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FFS common sense should just have prevailed where McGuane punched the ball away.
Time wasting?
Just get another one out of the bag you nuffies!! :banghead :banghead
Agree with Brown, it a stupid rule for rules sake.
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I actually don't mind the time wasting rule, but the penalty is too harsh.
Free kick from the centre circle would be suffice. If you do it on the wing after the ball has gone out of bounds you don't get a free shot at goal.
I don't want to see it taken away, i'd hate to be sitting in the crowd and have a sherrin knock out my front teeth after a player punches the ball into the crowd.
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I actually don't mind the time wasting rule, but the penalty is too harsh.
Free kick from the centre circle would be suffice. If you do it on the wing after the ball has gone out of bounds you don't get a free shot at goal.
There's no longer just one footy so the rule is out of date. I don't mind the free from the centre idea though. At least that diminishes the harshness of the current penalty.
What's time wasting now is cheer squads throwing a second ball out on the ground as an opposition player is about to take the kick-in. You see that happen all the time even though they said they would crack down on it.
Then there's the clown of an umpire in the Swans-Hawks game who told Mattner to get another ball out of the bag because he picked up the one he had before the goal was signalled. What difference is what footy you have ???.
I don't want to see it taken away, i'd hate to be sitting in the crowd and have a sherrin knock out my front teeth after a player punches the ball into the crowd.
Pies cheer squad won't have to worry about that ;D
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Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
Gieschen also confirmed a 50m penalty against Sydney forward Barry Hall on Saturday night under the same rule was also wrong.
After two rounds, the umpires have paid 14 50m penalties under the "sling" rule, with three deemed incorrect.
The Jackson decision brought the rule sharply into focus because Richmond had momentum in the third quarter and the resulting goal to Corey was a savage blow.
Gieschen confirmed he had spoken to Richmond coach Terry Wallace on the issue on Sunday and again on Monday.
"I guess Richmond would certainly feel aggrieved that the 50m penalty was applied," Gieschen said.
"It is not a free kick and 50 because it wasn't a tackle or sling to the ground after he got rid of the ball.
"It was a secondary action. It should have been a free kick where Jackson and Corey were or where the ball was, whatever was the greatest advantage to Geelong.
"Most people thought the decision was for the initial tackle. It wasn't for that.
"The tackle was fine, Corey got rid of the ball and the umpire called play-on.
"About three seconds after the ball had left Corey's hands, you hear the whistle go again.
"Other footage behind the goals showed Jackson on top of Corey pinning him to the ground, not letting him go. As it is a secondary action, a free kick only should have been paid."
Richmond has conceded five goals from 50m penalties this year, more than any other club.
Despite the 50m penalties under the new rule, the 50m penalty rate has not risen after two rounds. At this stage last year the umps had paid 53 - 45 for general offences and eight for abuse. This year, they have paid 53 - 49 general and four for abuse.
Gieschen backed the decision to penalise Tiger Luke McGuane for time-wasting when he punched the ball away after Cameron Mooney had kicked a goal, costing another third-quarter goal.
HEAVY PENALTY
Goals conceded from 50m penalties
Richmond 5
Fremantle 3
Collingwood 2
Sydney 2
Hawthorn 2
West Coast 1
Brisbane Lions 1
Melbourne 1
Western Bulldogs 1
Adelaide 1
All other clubs 0
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25305871-19742,00.html
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Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
What the..... it deserved a free kick? Why? It should have been play on :banghead
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Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
Gieschen also confirmed a 50m penalty against Sydney forward Barry Hall on Saturday night under the same rule was also wrong.
After two rounds, the umpires have paid 14 50m penalties under the "sling" rule, with three deemed incorrect.
The Jackson decision brought the rule sharply into focus because Richmond had momentum in the third quarter and the resulting goal to Corey was a savage blow.
Gieschen confirmed he had spoken to Richmond coach Terry Wallace on the issue on Sunday and again on Monday.
"I guess Richmond would certainly feel aggrieved that the 50m penalty was applied," Gieschen said.
"It is not a free kick and 50 because it wasn't a tackle or sling to the ground after he got rid of the ball.
"It was a secondary action. It should have been a free kick where Jackson and Corey were or where the ball was, whatever was the greatest advantage to Geelong.
"Most people thought the decision was for the initial tackle. It wasn't for that.
"The tackle was fine, Corey got rid of the ball and the umpire called play-on.
"About three seconds after the ball had left Corey's hands, you hear the whistle go again.
"Other footage behind the goals showed Jackson on top of Corey pinning him to the ground, not letting him go. As it is a secondary action, a free kick only should have been paid."
Richmond has conceded five goals from 50m penalties this year, more than any other club.
Despite the 50m penalties under the new rule, the 50m penalty rate has not risen after two rounds. At this stage last year the umps had paid 53 - 45 for general offences and eight for abuse. This year, they have paid 53 - 49 general and four for abuse.
Gieschen backed the decision to penalise Tiger Luke McGuane for time-wasting when he punched the ball away after Cameron Mooney had kicked a goal, costing another third-quarter goal.
HEAVY PENALTY
Goals conceded from 50m penalties
Richmond 5
Fremantle 3
Collingwood 2
Sydney 2
Hawthorn 2
West Coast 1
Brisbane Lions 1
Melbourne 1
Western Bulldogs 1
Adelaide 1
All other clubs 0
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25305871-19742,00.html
the Geesh has as much of an idea about running the rules committee as he did as coach of our club.
absolutely NFI
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the Geesh has as much of an idea about running the rules committee as he did as coach of our club.
absolutely NFI
He isn't even on the "AFL laws of the game committee"
NFI is quite correct.
Moron
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the Geesh has as much of an idea about running the rules committee as he did as coach of our club.
absolutely NFI
He isn't even on the "AFL laws of the game committee"
NFI is quite correct.
Moron
wow hello who have we got here.
if i was a betting man id say you are geesh.
similar age, same intellect and a non existent life
yep thats our geesh
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Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
What the..... it deserved a free kick? Why? It should have been play on :banghead
Because apparently, Jacko held him down after the tackle. ::) Except I think it's reasonably clear on replay that Corey was the one who wouldn't let Jackson up.
Another fail.
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l been looking at other aspects of the game in the Ruck
l thought Graham rucked well all day & if you look at 1 Ruck contest he was clearly being held by the jumper by the Geelong ruckman in clear view of the umpire 3 metres away & he paid no judgement to the contest which should have been a Richmond free kick at a crucial time when we were also in front of the game
1 umpire with the dark hair was clearly against Richmond most of the day
but anyway its old hat now cause the game is over so we move onto Bulldogs next game
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anyway its old hat now cause the game is over so we move onto Bulldogs next game
Aren't you related to the Giesh
Of course you'd say move on :rollin
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Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
What the..... it deserved a free kick? Why? It should have been play on :banghead
So Geisch is saying fully tackling an opponent is no longer allowed in our game anymore and you have to stop half way through ???. How ridiculous can you get! :banghead
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Looks like they are going soft on off the ball contact this weekend if they follow tonight's game. Too bad they didn't do it last week ::).
Heath Shaw is a dill for touching an umpire lightly on the arm after what happened to Kirk last week but sheesh if that's the worst thing that happens to an ump then they are really being precious. Vozzo - "you touched me, that's 50m and I'm reporting you". It's heat of the moment stuff and no harm was done :-\.
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Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
Gieschen also confirmed a 50m penalty against Sydney forward Barry Hall on Saturday night under the same rule was also wrong.
After two rounds, the umpires have paid 14 50m penalties under the "sling" rule, with three deemed incorrect.
The Jackson decision brought the rule sharply into focus because Richmond had momentum in the third quarter and the resulting goal to Corey was a savage blow.
Gieschen confirmed he had spoken to Richmond coach Terry Wallace on the issue on Sunday and again on Monday.
"I guess Richmond would certainly feel aggrieved that the 50m penalty was applied," Gieschen said.
"It is not a free kick and 50 because it wasn't a tackle or sling to the ground after he got rid of the ball.
"It was a secondary action. It should have been a free kick where Jackson and Corey were or where the ball was, whatever was the greatest advantage to Geelong.
"Most people thought the decision was for the initial tackle. It wasn't for that.
"The tackle was fine, Corey got rid of the ball and the umpire called play-on.
"About three seconds after the ball had left Corey's hands, you hear the whistle go again.
"Other footage behind the goals showed Jackson on top of Corey pinning him to the ground, not letting him go. As it is a secondary action, a free kick only should have been paid."
Richmond has conceded five goals from 50m penalties this year, more than any other club.
Despite the 50m penalties under the new rule, the 50m penalty rate has not risen after two rounds. At this stage last year the umps had paid 53 - 45 for general offences and eight for abuse. This year, they have paid 53 - 49 general and four for abuse.
Gieschen backed the decision to penalise Tiger Luke McGuane for time-wasting when he punched the ball away after Cameron Mooney had kicked a goal, costing another third-quarter goal.
HEAVY PENALTY
Goals conceded from 50m penalties
Richmond 5
Fremantle 3
Collingwood 2
Sydney 2
Hawthorn 2
West Coast 1
Brisbane Lions 1
Melbourne 1
Western Bulldogs 1
Adelaide 1
All other clubs 0
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25305871-19742,00.html
the Geesh has as much of an idea about running the rules committee as he did as coach of our club.
absolutely NFI
About the Geesh.
he actually could coach and was one of the first to play players behind the ball and push through the corridor.
Oh, how we forget the win in the last round against Carlton at Princess Park in the 90,s
The Geesh at least showed passion as a coach, unlike the used car salesman we now have. lol.
The Geeshs problem was that once the opposition coaches worked it out, the Geesh didnt have the game plan B or C.
I like the Geesh, at least he was full of CRAP.
Also, you cant blame the umpires for the current situation.
If they dont award the frees as per the rules, they get dropped the following week,.
Apart from the Daniel Jackson incident, the umpiring has been okay
Its the rules that are the problem.
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I like the Geesh, at least he was full of CRAP.
:lol
What would you think of him Jack if you didn't like him ;D.
I agree Jack it's the rules and especially the interpretations that are the main problem rather than the umps.
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Its the rules that are the problem.
Agree 100% +
Best thing you've said on the forum this time round..... ;D
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If last night's game is any guide the umps have been told to put the whistle away this week after going overboard in the first 3 rounds ::). Maybe it's part of this umpire friendly round lol.
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If last night's game is any guide the umps have been told to put the whistle away this week after going overboard in the first 3 rounds ::). Maybe it's part of this umpire friendly round lol.
Bloody hell it was. Brown and Bradshaw couldn't buy a free kick for over the shoulder that the umpires were read hot on for the past three weeks.
Oh but sorry, I forgot, they don't change interpretations mid-week, right Geisch? ;D
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If last night's game is any guide the umps have been told to put the whistle away this week after going overboard in the first 3 rounds ::). Maybe it's part of this umpire friendly round lol.
Bloody hell it was. Brown and Bradshaw couldn't buy a free kick for over the shoulder that the umpires were read hot on for the past three weeks.
Oh but sorry, I forgot, they don't change interpretations mid-week, right Geisch? ;D
It's laughable isn't it. They introduce these new rules and interpretations, umps are told to go mad for the first few weeks and then when they see how farcical such a strict interpretation is they go soft and even ignore the new rules. See the holding on to the player after the ball has gone = 50m rule tonight. It doesn't exist. Adrian Anderson will then come out at the end of the season and state the new rules have been a success :wallywink. Having said that Bucks was right last night to say as a player you need to read and adjust to the umpiring on the day.
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Good article by Hird now that he can freely speak about umpiring...
Umps image revamp long overdue
James Hird | April 22, 2009
TODAY I break a promise I made to myself in 2004. The promise is that I would never speak about the umpires in public again.
The relationship between the umpires department and the clubs is at an all-time low.
By creating an environment in which the umpires are seen as precious we have harmed their image further.
Full article at:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25368305-19742,00.html
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Can someone explain what the free kick against Browny on the members wing was for when he didn't have possession of the footy?
It has no effect on the outcome of the game but there were some perplexing double standards with holding the ball decisions yesterday ???.
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Can someone explain what the free kick against Browny on the members wing was for when he didn't have possession of the footy?
It has no effect on the outcome of the game but there were some perplexing double standards with holding the ball decisions yesterday ???.
I can't remember the specific incident you're talking about MT.But then, I spent a lot of the day with my head in my hands,before leaving at 3/4 time. But what I would say is that there have been some perplexing double standards re: holding the ball and Richmond for several weeks now, at least. Cast your mind back to the North game. Or even the Saints game. The incidents that got my blood boiling yesterday were:
(1) When Tambling was tackled round the neck and pinged for holding the ball, right in front of Sydney's goals of course.
(2) When Moore was pinged for interfering with White in the goalsquare, when in fact it was clearly the no.18 who had slung him out of the contest.
Just in general play though, the umpires were applying the often-used "the split-second a Richmond player is tackled, it's holding the ball" rule.
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Can someone explain what the free kick against Browny on the members wing was for when he didn't have possession of the footy?
It has no effect on the outcome of the game but there were some perplexing double standards with holding the ball decisions yesterday ???.
yes it dumbfounded me as well. seen something the same before that & the decision was wrong again. Umpires dont know thier own rules
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Can someone explain what the free kick against Browny on the members wing was for when he didn't have possession of the footy?
It has no effect on the outcome of the game but there were some perplexing double standards with holding the ball decisions yesterday ???.
I can't remember the specific incident you're talking about MT.But then, I spent a lot of the day with my head in my hands,before leaving at 3/4 time. But what I would say is that there have been some perplexing double standards re: holding the ball and Richmond for several weeks now, at least. Cast your mind back to the North game. Or even the Saints game. The incidents that got my blood boiling yesterday were:
(1) When Tambling was tackled round the neck and pinged for holding the ball, right in front of Sydney's goals of course.
(2) When Moore was pinged for interfering with White in the goalsquare, when in fact it was clearly the no.18 who had slung him out of the contest.
Just in general play though, the umpires were applying the often-used "the split-second a Richmond player is tackled, it's holding the ball" rule.
Apart from the fourth when it appeared the ump's were trying to even things up a bit the standard of umpriing was absolutely atrocious. The number of times the Swans seemed to throw the ball out or illegal dispose of the ball was incredible and then we were getting pinned the second we looked like getting tackled.
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what l dont understand is when we tackle & turn them in a complete circle thats holding the ball in my knowledge.
But when we get grabbed lightly its holding the ball.
alot of head high tackles went unrewarded also.
l watch every game every week & Richmond is the most poorly umpired side in the AFL & why l cant explain
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what l dont understand is when we tackle & turn them in a complete circle thats holding the ball in my knowledge.
But when we get grabbed lightly its holding the ball.
alot of head high tackles went unrewarded also.
l watch every game every week & Richmond is the most poorly umpired side in the AFL & why l cant explain
Might have something to do with Geischen???
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Might have something to do with Geischen???
l will punch his lights out at the next family gathering ;D :thumbsup
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Might have something to do with Geischen???
The day Geisch steps down as coach of the umpires will be a great day for umpiring. It's ridiculous that because of the criticism the umps copped over not putting a stop to Baker and Stevie Johnson early on in that game that this week we have the umps instructed to overumpire and stamp their authority on each game. The annoying thing is not so much the change itself but that no one is told about it - not the players, not the coaches and not the spectators. We have these hardened interpretations just sprung on us without warning.
I hope Dimma has told our boys to watch out about not giving 50m away or off the ball free kicks (hello Jake King) as that's what the umps seem instructed to crack down on this round.
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Anyone thinking that the state of umpiring at AFL level is anything better than deplorable should have watched the game last night between Bulldogs and Hawthorn. The Hawks were slaughtered with terrible decisions - all going one way - and it is a credit to them that they still managed to get up and win. If they had lost it would have been a travesty of justice - the umpiring was just disgraceful and biased.
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Anyone thinking that the state of umpiring at AFL level is anything better than deplorable should have watched the game last night between Bulldogs and Hawthorn. The Hawks were slaughtered with terrible decisions - all going one way - and it is a credit to them that they still managed to get up and win. If they had lost it would have been a travesty of justice - the umpiring was just disgraceful and biased.
Yep, you're absolutely spot on Smokey. You can forgive them for the odd bad decision. But when it's just one way traffic all night long,then it's pretty obvious that they're biased. Boy, you could sure hear the fury of the Hawks fans booming out of the TV too.
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let's just say since our first NAB cup game there has been noticable improvement, fair dinkum I almost gave up on afl following that heist. Incidently has anyone else been paid similar frees for same infringement...giesch has to go, especially so after EVERY umpire seemingly missed ea of Bakers indiscretions the other night
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How about Osbourne's unrealistic attempt to mark...
He got his hands on the BALL!!!! :rollin
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Odd call as to the free against Osborne. Was a free though.
If you jump all over an opponent's back and mark, it's a mark. If you don't mark, it's in the back.
I just watched the game and couldn't see any umpiring bias. Maybe 4 mistakes, 2 each way. The mark paid to Renouf for the first goal of the match was a howler.
The hawks fans seemed to spend more time whinging than cheering. I don't think they had much to whinge about.
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History has shown.
Gieschen was a token coach at AFL level.
That tokeness has been part of the AFL umpiring ranks for some time now.
The way I see it the fish rots at the head but at the same time Gieschen is a puppet with the strings being
pulled by that krunt Anderson who is destroying the uniqueness of this great game and unifiying it rule wise
with other less physical ball sports.
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what made me laugh was the 360 decision...the umpire calls holding the ball and literally called '360' but he actually turned himself only 180 degrees to handball .... what stuffing school did he go to ? He fired a hand pass off behind him, that is 180, if you are spun around to face back to where you were facing in the first place, THAT is 360 and would of been holding the ball according to the 360 rule. Where do they find these half wits? Can I just quit my day job and rock up to the CES and apply for an AFL Umpire job or something, Ill hide all my qualifications and tell them I am a numpty halfwit, I should be a shoe in.
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Lol Owl
U couldn't do and worse
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How about Osbourne's unrealistic attempt to mark...
He got his hands on the BALL!!!! :rollin
and roughead copped a 50 in the same play just to rub it in for kicking it, disgraceful umpiring all night, HAWKS were very harshly done by.
I really detest the way they have their periodic themes, ie go harder on a particular interpretation that is the flavour of the month and the worse part is they then come out and deny that they ever focus on a particular theme in certain weeks, 'its always the same'
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Got this one from the EFL website.
"i heard a player recently got a week for telling the umpire he must have played with barbie dolls when he was a kid. I mean for Geez sake we understand you cant stand there and threaten to rip the umpires head off but to be punished for dropping a line like this is just a tad overkill for mine."
WTF is that - I hate them
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3 umps might find themselves in the bush leagues next week after last night's effort especially that second quarter. All we ask for is consistency guys :scream.
I hate that interchange rule but suck it up Freo as you got a dream ride most of the night from those in red.
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disgraceful. :scream
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The number of times a Freo player just dropped the ball out of the tackle without disposing of it correctly is a joke.
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They copped a serve from the crowd after the game! You can do it when you win.
Man they make me sooo angry, could of just about jumped the fence last night.
Right up there in the world with taxi drivers and metro .....
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Ha on the TV you could hear a loud amount of boos and that is when the umps must have walked off.
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that was clearly one of the most biased umpired games l have seen against Richmond Absolutely terrible. :banghead
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i was sitting there watching the game thinking, am i at subiaco or im melbourne
the i realised freo wore their white strips effing maggots
rfc should be complaining we have copped it for years from these bastards
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Who cares
we won
we beat those white stuffs and their pathetic rules
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3 umps might find themselves in the bush leagues next week after last night's effort especially that second quarter. All we ask for is consistency guys :scream.
I hate that interchange rule but suck it up Freo as you got a dream ride most of the night from those in red.
Yep, went a small way to doing the karmic thing. Gee we got slaughtered by them.
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the umps were a joke last night. an absolute joke. the amount of times they were given a soft free kick in front of goal because Pavilich or one of his other white maggot Docker team-mates took a dive was pathetic. I find it even more annoying now that Harvey is kicking and screaming because of the interchange freekick, because his lot received that many disgraceful freekicks whilst at the same time they seemed to be able to get away with doing just about anything. all that said, we won in spite of it, and that makes it all the more sweet!!!
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They copped a serve from the crowd after the game! You can do it when you win.
The half-time serve wasn't bad either lol. You could hear it getting louder and louder as they walked off and got nearer to the race.
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A lot of factors went against us today the umpys at the start!
Running 10m before getting tackled and dropping the ball is apparently not a free anymore ???
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they stuffed us, they stuffed us, they stuffed us, they stuffed us, they stuffed us, they stuffed us,
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Jeez its frustrating, a number of times one of the Norf players dropped the ball cold and the call was play on, but when one of our players gets the ball and gets jumped on by two Norf players immediately its holding the ball.
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we always get screwed by the stuffing maggots
and what poos me is that journos and broadcasters are not allowed to highlight this fact and bad teh umps because if they do they are breaching their broadcast agreement
afl are CU$%^ with a capital C
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North staged all day by throwing themselves forward when tackled for a free every time. It got so bad that I saw a North player do it before being tackled in anticpation - unfortantly we were second to the ball and lost the game by losing the hard ball gets which means you cant be pushed in the back by being second to the ball
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geischen must have a small penis and yes north just threw themselves forward whenever one of our guys were behind them.
Weren't they initially going to pay kicks against the stagers.
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The pricks should be fined or suspended but the people who get fined are the coaches who tell em the truth.
stuffing AFL is stuffing BS.
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Falling forward and then being tackled is not a push in the back. The standard of umpiring was very poor. Negligent to allow play to carry on when two Richmond players(Vickery and Will) were on the deck concussed
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Deliberate out of bounds is now not a free. North got away with 2 or 3 I thought...
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Umpire #9 who hates Richmond should be sacked
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Umpiring against us has been shocking since the Hawthorn game.
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As soon as the stats were up on the AFL site the first thing I checked was frees. 12 for ad 21 against pretty much sums it up. So inconsistent it’s a farce, another reason I think Richmond should appeal the cotch decision with legal council. Force the AFL to look at these inconstancies and make changes to even things up for all clubs instead of the teams at the top of the ladder or their golden players (Judd) getting away with murder. While the clubs already struggling are handed another hurdle by having the umpires and match review panel against them and handing out heavier penalties
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You would think the AFL would act, surely 30 000 odd fans constantly booing as in the last couple of weeks isn't a good look for the precious AFL
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Umps drop the ball in fans eyes
Matt Windley
Herald Sun
July 21, 2010
FOOTBALL fans believe umpiring standards have fallen compared with last year.
Players and coaches are prohibited from criticising umpires, but that doesn't stop fans having their say on the league's whistleblowers.
Asked to rate the standard of umpiring this season in the Herald Sun/Seven News Footy Fans Survey, 48.7 per cent of fans said it was "average", 19.8 per cent rated the umpires' efforts as "poor" and less than a third said they were doing a "good" or "excellent" job.
Last season, more than 39 per cent of fans said umpires were doing a good-to-excellent job.
The umpires' performance has come under fire after controversial decisions in cut-throat games this season.
AFL umpires boss Jeff Gieschen said last month he was disappointed field umpires had failed to see behind-play antics of St Kilda tagger Steven Baker and Geelong's Steve Johnson in the Grand Final rematch.
Six charges were laid against the pair when the match was reviewed, yet their behaviour at the time drew no free kicks.
On June 9, Gieschen outlined five separate contentious Round 11 decisions that various umpires got wrong.
That day the AFL defended the game's adjudicators, asserting they made the correct call 85.9 per cent of the time in the season so far.
Veteran umpire Scott McLaren was dropped after incorrectly penalising Essendon's Henry Slattery for a rushed behind in the Dons' Round 6 clash with Hawthorn.
The AFL did not return the Herald Sun's calls on the matter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/umps-drop-the-ball-in-fans-eyes/story-fn60xo8t-1225894771467
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The proverbial will hit the fan after this weekend. You can't have goal umpires with clear view not seeing the ball clearly hit the boot from a metre out. 3 incorrect calls in two days :P.
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The proverbial will hit the fan after this weekend. You can't have goal umpires with clear view not seeing the ball clearly hit the boot from a metre out. 3 incorrect calls in two days :P.
Yep the Shannon Byrnes one in the third quarter tonight was just awful. The more we talk about the umpiring the worse the standard of it gets.
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would think the lovely Chelsea Roffey will get a few weeks off after last nights game
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I hope not Jack. One of the big reasons some of my American friends watch footy is because of Chelsea :lol
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The proverbial will hit the fan after this weekend. You can't have goal umpires with clear view not seeing the ball clearly hit the boot from a metre out. 3 incorrect calls in two days :P.
Yep the Shannon Byrnes one in the third quarter tonight was just awful. The more we talk about the umpiring the worse the standard of it gets.
The momentum of the game changed after it as well which makes it even worse.
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Last night (friday) would have to be the worse i have seen umpiring! Imagine trying to explain the rules of our game to someone last night!
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whaddya expect from an organisation run by a guy who collects ----- ----
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%20A-E/Gieschen246x316.jpg)
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What is it with umpires umpiring the big occasion matches!!
The fans are there to watch their teams, not watch umpires try and make some big time calls and seek attention!!
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I didn't see much of Friday night's game (lost interest in it pretty quickly).
But my friend was telling me of an incident where Mitch Robinson ran at David Hille and head-butted him in the midriff, then went down like he was shot.
The scumpire then reported Hille, and of course gave Robinson the obligatory 50m penalty and goal. Bizarre if true.
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I didn't see much of Friday night's game (lost interest in it pretty quickly).
But my friend was telling me of an incident where Mitch Robinson ran at David Hille and head-butted him in the midriff, then went down like he was shot.
The scumpire then reported Hille, and of course gave Robinson the obligatory 50m penalty and goal. Bizarre if true.
true
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I didn't see much of Friday night's game (lost interest in it pretty quickly).
But my friend was telling me of an incident where Mitch Robinson ran at David Hille and head-butted him in the midriff, then went down like he was shot.
The scumpire then reported Hille, and of course gave Robinson the obligatory 50m penalty and goal. Bizarre if true.
true
Yep, pretty much exactly how it happened.
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I didn't see much of Friday night's game (lost interest in it pretty quickly).
But my friend was telling me of an incident where Mitch Robinson ran at David Hille and head-butted him in the midriff, then went down like he was shot.
The scumpire then reported Hille, and of course gave Robinson the obligatory 50m penalty and goal. Bizarre if true.
yep and not long afterwards Hille was obviously takin the pee out of robinson and umpires for that report and headbutted robinsons shoulder and got the freekick lmaooo. These umps are just friggen clueless
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Game is getting soft: Roo
* Mark Ricciuto
* From: The Advertiser
* August 16, 2010
THE AFL has become too soft. Not the players but the game itself.
In a week where the league has decided to look at more strange rule changes - and asked for the public's input - it should instead have surveyed the fans about the physical state of the game.
Sadly, the AFL is being weighed down by soft umpiring and soft rules where hard, physical contact is slowly being outlawed.
And it's infuriating me. I am tired of seeing far too many soft free kicks being paid and changing the momentum of games.
Instead of giving frees for minor ruck infringements, for touching someone's back in marking contests and nailing the blokes who go into win the hard ball for holding it, they need to let play go on.
Free kicks should be hard earned, not handed out for minor indiscretions.
I fear for the way the game is going, that it will soon be close to a non-contact sport.
Full article at:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/game-is-getting-soft-roo/story-e6freck3-1225905581203
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Pinging Lids for the towel was a doozy ::). I know people will say don't give the umps a reason but whatever happened to the umps just warning players to settle down or risk a free against in a no fuss manner rather than going bang and making a mountain out of a molehill situation that had nothing to do with the play :-\.
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Pinging Lids for the towel was a doozy ::). I know people will say don't give the umps a reason but whatever happened to the umps just warning players to settle down or risk a free against in a no fuss manner rather than going bang and making a mountain out of a molehill situation that had nothing to do with the play :-\.
Yeah, the only upside of that ridiculously precious decision was that pr@#! Henderson missed the goal from point blank range.
Was it umpire Schmitt-house who made that call by the way? The ground announcer informed us all that he was umpiring his 200th game. Honestly, who cares? These guys should remain invisible. These kind of calls demonstrate that they obviously think they're part of the spectacle.
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The only thing needing a bigger clean up that the RFC is the umpiring assoc starting with the big turd at the top
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The only thing needing a bigger clean up that the RFC is the umpiring assoc starting with the big turd at the top
half time in the adelaide game i stood there at the players race at half time and Geesh was standing there and asked him what the hell was going on with the umpring.
If anyone can remember that first half it was pathetic, an absolute joke and he turned around and said to me "well maybe if you start winning games you wont need to complain" This is the man in control of the rules of our game. Give me a spell
he himself brings the game into disrepute with his side kicks demetriou and Anderson.
The 3 biggest c.... to ever be employed by the AFL
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half time in the adelaide game i stood there at the players race at half time and Geesh was standing there and asked him what the hell was going on with the umpring.
If anyone can remember that first half it was pathetic, an absolute joke and he turned around and said to me "well maybe if you start winning games you wont need to complain" This is the man in control of the rules of our game. Give me a spell
A shame you didn't bump into him again after that game when we had won and said what's his excuse now.
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The only thing needing a bigger clean up that the RFC is the umpiring assoc starting with the big turd at the top
half time in the adelaide game i stood there at the players race at half time and Geesh was standing there and asked him what the hell was going on with the umpring.
If anyone can remember that first half it was pathetic, an absolute joke and he turned around and said to me "well maybe if you start winning games you wont need to complain" This is the man in control of the rules of our game. Give me a spell
he himself brings the game into disrepute with his side kicks demetriou and Anderson.
The 3 biggest c.... to ever be employed by the AFL
And there it is! Confirmation from that idiot Geischen's mouth of what I've suspected all along. That the losing teams get treated differently to the rest. And guess what, I'm betting the exact same thing applies to the match review panel and the fixtures.
So how exactly are you meant to bust your way out of this status quo, when everything is stacked against you?
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Hardwick not just a study in whingeing
Simon White
August 9, 2011
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick might be accused of whingeing for suggesting a pro-West Coast crowd influenced umpires on Sunday – but all he did was sub-consciously reference established research from all over the world.
Hardwick's reaction to a 30-14 free-kick count in the Eagles' favour during West Coast's 57-point win was to say the 38,000-strong crowd made "a big noise at certain stages of the game" and wielded a significant influence over "the people out there."
In doing so he trumpeted a 2000 University of Wolverhampton study which found that soccer crowd noise resulted in referees identifying 15 per cent less fouls against home teams.
Harvard University studies have also shown away soccer teams concede more penalties than home teams, data researchers say it alludes to the susceptibility of referees to crowd influence.
Professor David Rowe, a sociologist from the University of Western Sydney's centre for cultural research, told WAtoday.com.au it was common sense that umpires would be swayed by large and loud parochial home crowds.
More to the point, Professor Rowe said a home crowd – whether it consciously realises so or not – makes a concerted attempt to "talk" the umpire into a favourable decision.
"Why do fans make so much noise? When you think about it, consciously or unconsciously they are trying to get umpires to make a particular decision," Professor Rowe said.
"How many times do you hear a crowd scream in unison "holding the ball?" Or "handball" or "penalty" or "foul?"
"And the key thing is that they yell it out before the whistle has blown, which suggests they are trying to influence the umpire or referee."
Whether the lop-sided free-kick count on Sunday was anything out of the ordinary remains open to debate.
The Eagles were the better of the two teams and had more of the football – and it's normally easier to give away a free kick when you don't have possession than when the ball is in your hands.
West Coast is also a "good free kick" team, whether home or away.
Since losing the free kick count 18-30 to North Melbourne in round one, the Eagles are 179 free kicks for and 142 against in home games at Patersons Stadium (a differential of more than 20 per cent)
But the Eagles are also 194-for and 170-against in away games (a difference of more than 12 per cent) and even won the free-kicks 19-18 in their biggest loss of the season to Collingwood in late May at the MCG.
Professor Rowe, however, believes sheer empirical data is less telling than the potential relationship between crowd influence and situational statistics.
One of Hardwick's obvious frustrations on Sunday was that he believed West Coast had nine shots at goal as a direct result of free kicks.
"When you are talking about crowd influence and umpiring decisions, I suspect it's not so much the number of decisions as the really key ones," Professor Rowe said.
"In the AFL for instance, it might not be so important if a free kick is paid in the middle of the ground. But a decision at either end of the ground, where it might alter the result of the match can be very important.
"Another factor may be the experience of the umpires. It takes a great deal of concentration to make the correct decision with all that crowd noise.
"Sometimes you can't hear yourself think and it will probably be a more difficult task for a less experienced umpire."
Given Professor Rowe's observation on experience, it may be pertinent that the umpires on Sunday were Luke Farmer, Shane Stewart and Jeff Dalgleish.
Farmer started this season with 56 games under his belt, while Stewart had 40 and Dalgleish had only 17.
The ability for a crowd to influence officials is one element of "home ground advantage" that Professor Rowe subscribes to.
But he also expects the phenomenon can work the other way and that some more experienced umpires might consciously try to buck the trend.
"I suspect there are some umpires and referees who might revel in the controversy," Professor Rowe said.
"As much as a partisan crowd might yell at them to make one decision, they might quite enjoy making another.
"It's unlikely to be an inexperienced umpire who would do that as they would not wish to attract controversy and potentially risk their position."
Subconsciously or not, Professor Rowe's description would seem to fit larger-than-life whistle-blower Ray "Razor" Chamberlain, who was last month reminded by umpires boss Jeff Gieschen of the need to keep his theatrical side in check.
http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/hardwick-not-just-a-study-in-whingeing-20110808-1iiz8.html#ixzz1UWWHKvuH
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Sums up a Collingwood crowd ::)
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While other non-Victorian teams get a taste of their own medicine on the road, West Coast is again a big winner with a discrepancy of just minus seven free kicks in 12 years.
Richmond (+10) is the only team to have a free-kick edge when playing on the road against interstate teams in that period. North Melbourne (-16) and the Western Bulldogs (-25) are next best.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/eagles-win-with-umpires-in-the-west/story-e6frf9jf-1226349321851
Well there you go! :o
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I thought as much and commented to a mate that we had the 'rub of the green' at times on Sunday.......
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Yeah, maybe! Until the third quarter when that little bald-headed maggot kept saying "free and fifty, free and fifty", and bringing the Port players right up in front of goal. And that holding free against Grimes that kick-started all the angst in the first place was a load of shull-bit too.
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Getting the vast majority of your frees in the backline, does not compensate for the opposition being awarded their free kicks within the forward 50........
The stats also fail to register the free kicks that are not paid, and the inconsistencies in interpretation from one end of the ground to the other, game to game & quarter to quarter.
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Awww yeah they loved us at Subi vs Weagles last year. 30-14. :banghead :banghead
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Just for my peace of mind?
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Disgraceful all night. Worse umpiring I have seen in recent times :banghead
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mate there was some awful decisions at crucial points. Didn't lose us the game though...
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mate there was some awful decisions at crucial points. Didn't lose us the game though...
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i have a problem with tonights umpiring. i am saying no more coz i dont wanna get sued.
I have a big problem with it. I accept that our poot first half and poor kicking At goal were the primary factors why we lost, however, we were MURDERED on decisions that were and weren't paid for holding the ball and high contact.
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While channel surfing at half time i watched some of the Dogs v GC, like watching a game with different rules, ducking of heads was play on whereas the bummers seemed to milk endless free kicks doing the same thing. The free against the mullet was disgraceful, should have been a free kick the other way for dragging the ball back in.
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stuff those red and black idiots ducking their heads all through the first half.
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I'm really confused about frees for dragging the ball in. Maric touched that ball for a second and for the remainder of the time stanton had it tucked under his arm. Then a 50 for saying he was holding it in or something to that effect... really??? What about the Bombers backchat clearly heard on the TV mics about 5 minutes after and no 50?
Seems like week in and week out the other teams top liners dive on the ball and its a bounce every time. Any of our players dive on it and they can't blow the whistle for a free quick enough.
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Seriously pooful umpiring tonight.
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I was figuring it must of been a stunt because they had more Aboriginal players or something because it was so stuffing blatant. How many goals did they kick from frees? In just the first quarter even? Anyone got that stat? Because I am sure it was at least 3 or 4. In the first quarter the free kicks were 7 to 1. You can't tell me we weren't due any because I saw plenty of mugging going on in our forward line for the same poo they paid to them and tackles where they spilled the ball go unrewarded. They did play well in patches but so would we if we were getting the rub of the green along with our patches of scoring. When it all goes your way you look stuffing great. Whenever we started getting on top or looked like we were, that sonofabitch 10 mostly would pluck some bs out of his hole and cockblock us with a free the other way.
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Umpires clearly donot like Richmond & l be 100% sure 2 of them umpires were paid to favor Essendon :banghead
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Umpires clearly donot like Richmond & l be 100% sure 2 of them umpires were paid to favor Essendon :banghead
FFS even the monk can see it. :banghead
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Two absolute howlers that stick in my mind were: Jetta dead-set shoving Morris in the back then waltzing into an open goal, and jst before 3/4 time that unrewarded tackle where the spill resulted in a goal. That's a free kick every day of the week. As has been said, it just went on and on all night long. The scumpires were either on the take, or were completely sucked in by all the Effin-dumb hype.
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For what it's worth neutral supporters reckon Essendon had an armchair ride
Holding the ball interpretations from last night:-
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=c488bb0fe34c8a3fb9150419212ddb73&t=947528
Head high and Essendons ducking/milking:-
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=c488bb0fe34c8a3fb9150419212ddb73&t=947491
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i thoght in the first half the dons had the rub of the green with the umps, every stray head high was paid to them, every one of ours overlooked...7-1 FREES in Q1 said it all :o
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I thought they were going to crack down on players who came in and locked the ball to the player on the ground? last night the in the gold coast game the ump explained why one instance was a ball up - because the tackler dragged the ball in??
The real doozy was hearing the umpire drop the C word when he made one his many poor bounces for the night.
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I thought they were going to crack down on players who came in and locked the ball to the player on the ground? last night the in the gold coast game the ump explained why one instance was a ball up - because the tackler dragged the ball in??
The real doozy was hearing the umpire drop the C word when he made one his many poor bounces for the night.
really, why who got the blame for that :lol
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I don't normally play into the umpiring excuses but ffs they were disgraceful last night and they Must clamp down on player ducking their heads. Bloody Bombers players did it all night.
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stuff those red and black idiots ducking their heads all through the first half.
That goal to Watson where he ducked right our player yet got awarded a free kick is a disgrace
I've never been more angry but then Jettas hands in the back was the icing on the cake especially after I stood there and watched those malaka puntas crucify Richo a few years in front of us, costing us yet another 4 points
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Hands in the back anyone? ::)
(https://p.twimg.com/AtVeCQICAAAShwz.jpg)
Pic thanks to bg25 :thumbsup
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Hands in the back anyone? ::)
(https://p.twimg.com/AtVeCQICAAAShwz.jpg)
Pic thanks to bg25 :thumbsup
Gee One-Eyed, I hope you're not suggesting that we should be letting such trivial matters as the correct interpretation of the rules get in the way of showcasing Indigenous talent.
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Cant see the pic at work but I hazard a guess, Jetta ! ;D
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the two decisions which were terrible were
1/ The free kick against Maric when Stanton had hold of the ball, and Ivan got 50 for giving the umpire a spray
2/ The non-decision not to ping Hocking for holding the ball where he clearly was caught and dropped the ball, only to pick it back up and handball to another player who goaled.
The Watson duck needs to be looked at as well, as Nahas didnt get 2 frees for the same :banghead
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It hardly seems surprising that Essendon players are ducking there heads just like Joel Selwood does. Bomber, you are to blame for this. Flimsy evidence at best but i am taking it!
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Do you really think that playing for a particular team in the past blinds your judgement when you are rostered to be part of a game involving that same team?
How many Richmond coaches coached at the Dawks? Should we drop coaches Hardwick and Smith this week because they coached at the Dawks?
Maggot Bannister made as many errors as the other maggots, and some of his errors resulted in Richmond frees or the non-payment of frees against us.
Having said that though, the maggots were shocking on Saturday night and it will be interesting to see what the AFL says this arvo.
Shocking decision making by the maggots effects both teams - the players no longer know what to expect when they go for the footy or lay a tackle or stand on a mark.
I have more respect for the fish that I target than to put any of those maggots on a hook. Although using them as shark bait might be appropriate.
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think you will find the bad decisions were made by Brett Rosebury and Shane Stewart.
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Did anyone see the Richmond player run 20 meteres in the last with a Bomber player holding the back of his jumper while he was running.
I couldn't believe the umpire didn't pay that.
ONE OF THE WORST DISPLAYS and we get alot more than most it seems.
Bomber players got the Veruca Salt treatment as per usual.
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Did anyone see the Richmond player run 20 meteres in the last with a Bomber player holding the back of his jumper while he was running.
I couldn't believe the umpire didn't pay that.
ONE OF THE WORST DISPLAYS and we get alot more than most it seems.
Bomber players got the Veruca Salt treatment as per usual.
That was Houli. The crowd was screaming the entire time to blow the whistle. Eff the umps. I've always said that if you need fair treatment from the umps to win a game you probably weren't in it anyway, but some of those decisions were certainly deflating. We spent all our tickets in the third anyway and wasted our chances on the scoreboard :(
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Our shots on goal in the end cost us the game but if the umps didn't pay so many rubbish free kicks to the bumms and the ones that were there went our way, we would have won.
IMO we deserved to win the game more than them. It was ours for the taking and we stuffed it up.. But even with those errors in the 3rd and 4th we would have won if the umps did their jobs properly.
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VIDEO: Here's Gieschen talking with Schwarz about the umpiring from the weekend games...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/136596/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
He discussed two frees from our game:
(i) Watson's copping high contact from Dea in the 2nd quarter - Giesch said Watson had no time to duck and had his head down over the ball so a clear free kick.
(ii) Maric's holding the ball and 50m - Giesch said Maric went to ground over the ball so it was then his duty to get the ball out; not the Essendon player.
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Gieschen thinks he is a Jedi Knight, "the decision was correct" (waves hand in front of face). The footage shows it was stuffing wrong. Wanker.
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Gieschen thinks he is a Jedi Knight, "the decision was correct" (waves hand in front of face). The footage shows it was stuffing wrong. Wanker.
It's obvious to those of us who are strong-willed. Watto from Tatooine could even see it :banghead
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VIDEO: Here's Gieschen talking with Schwarz about the umpiring from the weekend games...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/136596/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
He discussed two frees from our game:
(i) Watson's copping high contact from Dea in the 2nd quarter - Giesch said Watson had no time to duck and had his head down over the ball so a clear free kick.
(ii) Maric's holding the ball and 50m - Giesch said Maric went to ground over the ball so it was then his duty to get the ball out; not the Essendon player.
So he's got to wrestle the ball back off the Essendon player who now has it and then dispose of it before the umpire decides to blow his whistle.
Rather than get to his feet with both hands in the air as he did to prove he didn't have the ball.
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Giesch talking through his behind again.
Quite a few AFL people came from Geppettos.
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Agrade fmoron.
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Gieschen thinks he is a Jedi Knight, "the decision was correct" (waves hand in front of face). The footage shows it was stuffing wrong. Wanker.
may think that but reality is he is more like Jabba the Hut.
fair dinkum to say that about the Maric instance. Maric did release the ball and it would have come free had not the Essendon player held it in. That response if mind boggling!
What the Eff happened to penalisng the tackler who does this?
Huh?
The bloke is either grossly incompetent, or he does actually hold a grudge against the club which affects how he does his job.
Either way he is not fit for the position.
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Humphrey bear was on SEN last night and Schwarz was ripping into him about the umpiring going against the aints over west.
Now I didn't see the game but they just wont open there minds to CONFKNSISTANT decision making, Humphrey bear just kept saying 'It was the correct decision by interpretation' and yep you can agrue this in 90 % of cases but they just blindly refuse to believe they are wrong in any way, when their interpretations from one team to the next vary greatly ..... stuffn wankers the lot of em .....
I said it and I meant it if I won 25 Mill in tatts and they had one of the many games they have against us, would have no hesitation in paying the fine by jumping the fence an snotting one of these fs
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(i) Watson's copping high contact from Dea in the 2nd quarter - Giesch said Watson had no time to duck and had his head down over the ball so a clear free kick.
I take umbrage at this one, Watson saw the tackler coming and in a 2nd action, put his head down further into the tackle, instead of lifting it out of harm's way.
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Once again they can pay this as they see fit and get away with it :banghead
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VIDEO: Here's Gieschen talking with Schwarz about the umpiring from the weekend games...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/136596/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
He discussed two frees from our game:
(i) Watson's copping high contact from Dea in the 2nd quarter - Giesch said Watson had no time to duck and had his head down over the ball so a clear free kick.
(ii) Maric's holding the ball and 50m - Giesch said Maric went to ground over the ball so it was then his duty to get the ball out; not the Essendon player.
So he's got to wrestle the ball back off the Essendon player who now has it and then dispose of it before the umpire decides to blow his whistle.
Rather than get to his feet with both hands in the air as he did to prove he didn't have the ball.
Luke Darcy who I think is on the rules committee said during the call of the game that regarding the Maric free to the letter of the law the correct decision (that is how the law is written and how it is to be umpired in 2012) was made but he went onto to say that currently the rule isn't in the spirit of the game and it needs to be changed
Would suggest Luke that if you are still on the rules committee then you do something about it
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darcy girl isn't on the committee any more
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dimma like us was not a happy chappy with the umpires on the weekend
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its just my opinion but one can assume that gieshen is an inbred turd, his mum is also his aunty i bet and his dad also his uncle, look at him !!!!!
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its not half obvious to see that gieshen is an inbred turd, his mum is also his aunty i bet and his dad also his uncle, look at him !!!!!
I need to think about that, can you supply a diagram to help?
:lol
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pretty simple really.
If your mother and father are brother and sister, then they are also your uncle and aunty.
happens all the time in small towns
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pretty simple really.
If your mother and father are brother and sister, then they are also your uncle and aunty.
happens all the time in small towns
Thanks, you have to remember I'm nearly 60 so a little slow on the uptake.
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its not half obvious to see that gieshen is an inbred turd, his mum is also his aunty i bet and his dad also his uncle, look at him !!!!!
I need to think about that, can you supply a diagram to help?
:lol
simple but al explained lol
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I always thought his parents were brothers
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Shafte. Again.
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agree
tosser
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not shafted, got poo decisions against and poo decisions for.
just absolute crap all round from the umps. combine the performance of these retreads and the stupid rules just makes watching the footy a frustrating experience
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Could not even bounce the ball properly
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Could not even bounce the ball properly
Had a fetish to bounce it to the right of screen
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Painful all day watching those knobs trying to officiate
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Frees for:
Cotchin - 2
Wallis - 5
Picken - 5
Morris - 4
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We won by 10 goals who really cares
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heh, they gotta look at that dodgy umpiring though, it was shocking, last year that would of sunk us
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as al said we got some agaisnt and got some that went our way
It is that stupid contact to the leg/sliding rule that they need to sort out more than anything
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And the push in the back rule which was the "in" thing today.
What I don't understand is how under the same rules the Pies game has 34 free kicks and ours had 63. :lol
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I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
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I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
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When are those germs going to stop over officiating in games? Grand final day they put away the whistle and only pay the blatant ones - its probably the best umpired gamed for the year. Do that everygame!
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Umpiring was terrible - game was over umpired, they were inconsistent, and heavily favored the seagulls. We definitely paid our account in full for last week's favorable return.
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I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
Why 3121? I'm not 3121 and I sat there. I have premium plus and had the option of level 1 or 2 when selecting my Etihad reserve seat.
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Umpiring was terrible - game was over umpired, they were inconsistent, and heavily favored the seagulls. We definitely paid our account in full for last week's favorable return.
that seems to be the way they way they want the game played. lets not forget that KB is on the rules committee
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I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
Why 3121? I'm not 3121 and I sat there. I have premium plus and had the option of level 1 or 2 when selecting my Etihad reserve seat.
Fair enough not having a go just know 3121 have their area there too. I know a few people in 3121 and they were telling me when we caught after the game they wanted strangle the umps ;D just thought of them when I read your post :thumbsup
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Yeah it was feral :lol yet my favourite was every time this one elderly bloke kept screaming out "go home number ten!!!" ;D
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are the 3121 crowd the ones shouting "ball" every time the opposition even look like getting tackled?
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are the 3121 crowd the ones shouting "ball" every time the opposition even look like getting tackled?
:lol :lol
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The 5m protected area is a joke for our game..
To see McGuane and Murphy both give away 50m penalties for something that both times were unavoidable is a disgrace.
If it is within 3 seconds of the player marking the ball, let it go...
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Umpires need to learn to put their whistles away, it is not basketball!!!!!!!!!
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I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
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Was over umpired 60 odd frees, why so many scoops being paid, and gee what was with the push in the back in goal sq 3 x ::)
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I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
Yep I was calling Dahlhaus tree hugger in 3121 on level 2 and was so pleased to see Gia kick a tough goal. ;D
Umpire 11 must have x-ray vision. Saw so many throws from the blind side. All of them against us. >:(
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Was starting to be mob mentality at the game. how anyone can definitively say a free kick is wrong from the boundary is beyond me. yeah some frees seemed a bit tiggy touch but hey that's how they umpired the whole game. jack should have taken note after the 1st free was paid against him and not keep leaning into their backs for a start.
Maybe a bit over umpired but we won and i thought they were consistant for the most part. i look forward to seeing the replay tomorrow night after work
Dont blame the umpire, blame the administration for making them interpret the rules the way they've been told.. i feel for the umps it must be a hard gig getting the interpretation changed all the time.
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I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
Yep I was calling Dahlhaus tree hugger in 3121 on level 2 and was so pleased to see Gia kick a tough goal. ;D
Umpire 11 must have x-ray vision. Saw so many throws from the blind side. All of them against us. >:(
Where were you on level 2 Tucks? I was in 32 right next to those Canidae seats and it was a pretty boisterous lot.
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I was in 36 on level 2 row K. Sat in my 3121 allocation.
I have a reserved seat on level 2 in the Olympic at the G and I reckon its the best view there & Etihad. :thumbsup
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Why cant the umpiring panel realise that the 2012 GF was a high water mark for adjudication and just show the guys & gals with the whistle that is the way that it should be done.
Simple game to play ... with 3 simple rules
i) The team has the ball
ii) the ball is in dispute
iii) The other team has the ball
And not an umpire mentioned.
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I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
It was a shocker, I also noticed that that particular ump was very quick on his whistle against Jack, seemed to blow it the moment contact was made. Reckon jack peeed him off early and he was dishing payback all game.
60+ frees in a game of football is just wrong. Just pay the blatant ones and the game will be all the better for it.
BTW tiger from tas - do you still think the diving at peoples feet rule is a good rule? Its a joke and its 50/50 whether they pay it for too low or too high ;D
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I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
It was a shocker, I also noticed that that particular ump was very quick on his whistle against Jack, seemed to blow it the moment contact was made. Reckon jack peeed him off early and he was dishing payback all game.
60+ frees in a game of football is just wrong. Just pay the blatant ones and the game will be all the better for it.
BTW tiger from tas - do you still think the diving at peoples feet rule is a good rule? Its a joke and its 50/50 whether they pay it for too low or too high ;D
I like it when they DIVE. But when someone is standing up but putting their head over it fair play
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The game was just slightly over-umpired yesterday ::)
Total free kicks - Round 3
Rich vs WB 63
Adel vs Port 49
Freo vs Ess 45
GWS vs St K 41
North vs Syd 39
Melb vs WCE 38
GC vs Bris 35
Coll vs Haw 35
Geel vs Carl 33
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There was an incident in front of where i was sitting ,on the boundary line,where a bulldogs player was pushed hard against the boundary line by Maric ,and the bulldogs player in trying to break out ,went head first at marics legs, maric sensing what was going on flung his arms wide to show the umpire he wasnt involved...The umpire blew the whistle and awarded the bulldogs player a free...it was one of many absolutely absurd decisions
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The goal that was taken from Martin was very poor umpiring. The umpires deserved to be booed off the ground. Their performance was ordinary to say the least.
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There was an incident in front of where i was sitting ,on the boundary line,where a bulldogs player was pushed hard against the boundary line by Maric ,and the bulldogs player in trying to break out ,went head first at marics legs, maric sensing what was going on flung his arms wide to show the umpire he wasnt involved...The umpire blew the whistle and awarded the bulldogs player a free...it was one of many absolutely absurd decisions
Saw this one clear, was just in front of me too. Was a crap decision.
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It was day full of poor decisions
But it didn't impact on the result, so my attitude is as always, 10 goal win so who cares. Actually even when we lose I don't believe in blaming umpires
But having said that the sliding rule :banghead :banghead indictment on the game, it is a flawed rule being administered by nuffers and interepted by morons ;D
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I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
It was a shocker, I also noticed that that particular ump was very quick on his whistle against Jack, seemed to blow it the moment contact was made. Reckon jack peeed him off early and he was dishing payback all game.
60+ frees in a game of football is just wrong. Just pay the blatant ones and the game will be all the better for it.
BTW tiger from tas - do you still think the diving at peoples feet rule is a good rule? Its a joke and its 50/50 whether they pay it for too low or too high ;D
I like it when they DIVE. But when someone is standing up but putting their head over it fair play
Incidental contact should never be paid in our game imo. If a player dives and takes out the legs of the other player with force, absolutely pull it up, but diving and seeing the player on his feet quickly shuffle a step or 2 to receive the contact is making the game a bit of a joke... And then to top it off we don't kno which way the umps will pay it ;D
...that, plus the way players put their head down and charge at the oncoming player to wear the high contact And players collapsing fwd at the slightest touch to get in the back are ruining the game as a spectacle and are all a result of rule changes from the rules committee.
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We were so dominant over the Doggies, at the game it felt more like we were playing against the umps at times. As if it was a little league or auskick game where the ump pays a sympathy free to the little kid who can't get the ball himself.
As for "that" umpire - thanks to him it didn't take long into the first quarter for the grog squad to break their promise of no swearing in the songs this week lol.
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I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
It was a shocker, I also noticed that that particular ump was very quick on his whistle against Jack, seemed to blow it the moment contact was made. Reckon jack peeed him off early and he was dishing payback all game.
60+ frees in a game of football is just wrong. Just pay the blatant ones and the game will be all the better for it.
BTW tiger from tas - do you still think the diving at peoples feet rule is a good rule? Its a joke and its 50/50 whether they pay it for too low or too high ;D
I like it when they DIVE. But when someone is standing up but putting their head over it fair play
Incidental contact should never be paid in our game imo. If a player dives and takes out the legs of the other player with force, absolutely pull it up, but diving and seeing the player on his feet quickly shuffle a step or 2 to receive the contact is making the game a bit of a joke... And then to top it off we don't kno which way the umps will pay it ;D
...that, plus the way players put their head down and charge at the oncoming player to wear the high contact And players collapsing fwd at the slightest touch to get in the back are ruining the game as a spectacle and are all a result of rule changes from the rules committee.
the ball ups from all the people diving on the ball has ruined the game the most IMO, which is why I don't mind the rule hopefully it'll encourage players to keep their feet
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people diving on the ball is nothing new. its been happening at all levels for as long as i can remember.
we also now have the umpires playing holding the ball if a player dives on, or drags in the ball while on the ground, and does not release it rugby style.
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The most perplexing decisions are the ones adjudicated during ruck duels.
I don't think even the players or rucks even know which way its going to be awarded as sometimes you see both rucks go back as if the free kick is theirs.
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Umpiring has been despicable this year. Soft decision after soft dectision. It's destroying the game.
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people diving on the ball is nothing new. its been happening at all levels for as long as i can remember.
we also now have the umpires playing holding the ball if a player dives on, or drags in the ball while on the ground, and does not release it rugby style.
It has picked up with teams wanting to kill the ball and I'm happy to see it completely eradicated
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Umpiring has been despicable this year. Soft decision after soft dectision. It's destroying the game.
Year after year it is deteriorating more and more
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it doesn't help they keep mucking with the rules, particularly trying to develop a game where going hard for the ball is frowned upon. Although it seems that some like the spectacle of seeing players just hanging back hoping for a cheap free.
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it doesn't help they keep mucking with the rules, particularly trying to develop a game where going hard for the ball is frowned upon. Although it seems that some like the spectacle of seeing players just hanging back hoping for a cheap free.
If you think it seems that I'm one of those people (after what I've said I can understand why you would) you're wrong. I just don't like diving on the ball to kill it, but I love seeing blokes with their head over it and getting it moving, mainly because I just like the game at a high free flowing intensity, not ball up after ball up.
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if you dive on the ball to kill it you are supposed to be pinged for holding the ball.
this new rule has blokes standing there hanging out of the contest, either unsure what to do or deliberately waiting for contact.
i doubt there would be too many people that enjoy seeing the ball constantly killed, but this rule, combined with the way the umpires often penalise the player who grabs the ball but has no chance to get rid of it is destroying the fabric of the game. it will soon be gaelic football
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if you dive on the ball to kill it you are supposed to be pinged for holding the ball.
this new rule has blokes standing there hanging out of the contest, either unsure what to do or deliberately waiting for contact.
i doubt there would be too many people that enjoy seeing the ball constantly killed, but this rule, combined with the way the umpires often penalise the player who grabs the ball but has no chance to get rid of it is destroying the fabric of the game. it will soon be gaelic football
well said
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Just wanted to show my appreciation
:outtahere
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They screwed us when we had momentum. Gifted the Cats about 4 goals in the 2nd
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The umps were terrible :banghead but we didn't do outselves any favours before half-time. Chaplin handballing to the feet of his teammates in defence surrounded by Geelong players and then Houli and Grimes stuff up a 2-1 advantage allowing the one Cat to keep the ball in play and get it to West for another gifted goal. We just gave away too many soft easy goals via dumb turnovers. So instead of going into half-time a couple of goals in front and a chance to apply scoreboard pressure to Geelong, we switched off in intensity and pressure and allowed them the lead.
As for the umps - just 4 frees in a half of football when we were in front for most of it and had more of the ball was a joke ::). Then the third quarter umpiring got to us. The turning point was when Dusty marked in front of goal and the ump pulled a free to Geelong back where the ball came from. Those are momentum changes :banghead.
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Terrible. Just terrible.
Especially the bald bastard with number 15 on his back.
White maggot if I've ever seen one.
Learn the rules you idiot!
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Early third quarter some elderly bloke in front of me just got out of his seat and said "stuff this, I'm not putting up with this. I'm going." And just walked out lol.
Can't put them down as the reason of the loss, but it was one of the most disgusting umpiring performances of any game. I'm having a lot of trouble trying to stay interested with the same old mediocre Richmond and absolutely atrocious adjudication.
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We received not a single free kick in the 2nd quarter :huh.
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Disgraceful
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If they're waiting for any "appreciation" from me, on last night's effort they can hold their breath til they turn blue and asphyxiate. Words haven't been invented that can describe how much I DESPISE the lot of them, and their brain-dead boss Geischen (surely, a bitter, sacked ex-Richmond employee with a lifelong axe to grind. What other explanation can there be for the continual reaming we receive from these maggots, week in week out?) Last night's game was nothing more than an exercise in assuring a fairy tale result for Stevie.J and Corey. From the 20 minute mark of the 2nd qtr, until the point in the 3rd when (combined with losing our rucks) they just crushed every bit of resistance out of us with their continually one-way interpretations. I hope they all rot in hell.
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If they're waiting for any "appreciation" from me, on last night's effort they can hold their breath til they turn blue and asphyxiate. Words haven't been invented that can describe how much I DESPISE the lot of them, and their brain-dead boss Geischen (surely, a bitter, sacked ex-Richmond employee with a lifelong axe to grind. What other explanation can there be for the continual reaming we receive from these maggots, week in week out?) Last night's game was nothing more than an exercise in assuring a fairy tale result for Stevie.J and Corey. From the 20 minute mark of the 2nd qtr, until the point in the 3rd when (combined with losing our rucks) they just crushed every bit of resistance out of us with their continually one-way interpretations. I hope they all rot in hell.
I felt your pain Rolls when I saw you on the big screen going off :thumbsup
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umpire appreciation round.....what a freaking joke that is
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If they're waiting for any "appreciation" from me, on last night's effort they can hold their breath til they turn blue and asphyxiate. Words haven't been invented that can describe how much I DESPISE the lot of them, and their brain-dead boss Geischen (surely, a bitter, sacked ex-Richmond employee with a lifelong axe to grind. What other explanation can there be for the continual reaming we receive from these maggots, week in week out?) Last night's game was nothing more than an exercise in assuring a fairy tale result for Stevie.J and Corey. From the 20 minute mark of the 2nd qtr, until the point in the 3rd when (combined with losing our rucks) they just crushed every bit of resistance out of us with their continually one-way interpretations. I hope they all rot in hell.
I felt your pain Rolls when I saw you on the big screen going off :thumbsup
Cheers
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No noi really did appreciate their continued lack I'd consistency in their interpretation of rules in season 2013
They been nothing if not consistent this year with their ineptitude
Congrats :clapping
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I am fast losing interest in this game, is a joke of the highest order. Watched the adel hawks game earlier and that was a joke too. They have ruined the game, they don't want body on body. They want both players looking at the ball and jumping at the ball not worrying about their opponent. What ideological BS.
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I am fast losing interest in this game, is a joke of the highest order. Watched the adel hawks game earlier and that was a joke too. They have ruined the game, they don't want body on body. They want both players looking at the ball and jumping at the ball not worrying about their opponent. What ideological BS.
They could learn from the flawless vfl umpiring
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If they're waiting for any "appreciation" from me, on last night's effort they can hold their breath til they turn blue and asphyxiate. Words haven't been invented that can describe how much I DESPISE the lot of them, and their brain-dead boss Geischen (surely, a bitter, sacked ex-Richmond employee with a lifelong axe to grind. What other explanation can there be for the continual reaming we receive from these maggots, week in week out?) Last night's game was nothing more than an exercise in assuring a fairy tale result for Stevie.J and Corey. From the 20 minute mark of the 2nd qtr, until the point in the 3rd when (combined with losing our rucks) they just crushed every bit of resistance out of us with their continually one-way interpretations. I hope they all rot in hell.
:clapping
Biggest hates
1 Umpires
2 Selwood
3 Johnson
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they can all rot in hell and die painfully
giesh is still the problem, he cant let go
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Speaking of protected species, n0rf have received something like 30+ extra frees in the past two weeks.
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I wonder if our complaining of last weeks umpiring turned them against us last night,because at one stage it was almost laughable.
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On Friday night I saw a decision which proves that umpires don't have a clue because they haven't played the game or don't have common sense.
Geary tackles Pendlebury with a perfect tackle whilst bringing him to ground turns him sideways. Both players are lying on their sides on the ground. Pendles turns his body back on all fours whilst holding Geary's arms so Geary is now on Pendlebury's back. Geary was getting lifted off the ground.
Result: Umpire pays a free kick to Pendlebury on the half forward flank for in the back.
:banghead
Can't understand the umpires. No idea maybe because they haven't played the game.
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I wonder if our complaining of last weeks umpiring turned them against us last night,because at one stage it was almost laughable.
:yep :clapping
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In the third quarter they forgot what holding the ball means. Countless times Geelong players were caught holding the ball or incorrect disposal but the umpires just waved it on
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Just watched the turnaround in the 2nd quarter again to see if my loathing of the maggots was justified.
1. 6 mins to go and Martin has just kicked his 2nd in a row to put us 19 up with all the momentum - we had won 8 of the last 10 centre breaks. Scrimmage from the ball up and Cotchin handballs just as he is tackled by Johnson. Johnson continues on with the tackle taking Cotchin and himself to ground in a Capt Obvious moment to take Cotchin out of the contest.
What should have been the outcome in a fair contest? A free kick for holding the man to Cotchin.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? A free kick to Johnson for Cotchin remonstrating by holding Johnson around the neck while lying underneath Johnson on the ground and a goal to Geelong.
2. 5 mins to go and Vickery kicks to a contest on our forward flank. Taylor grabs the ball but is tackled legally by Riewoldt and illegally disposes of the ball. Taylor then remonstrates with Riewoldt by holding him around the neck and then rolling him over.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Riewoldt for a. illegal disposal and b. around the neck/remonstrating and a shot on goal.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on into Geelong's forward line where the ball never left until a minute later decision #3.
3. 4 minutes to go and the ball is on the Geelong forward flank. First Vlastuin goes for the ball and get pushed in the back then it comes out to Cotchin who gets an even worse push in the back.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Vlastuin or a free kick to Cotchin (the worst of the 2 decisions) and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on deep into Geelong's forward line where Stokes to West for a goal.
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
And you know the worst part of it all is that the Queen Blowfly who breeds the maggots will come out in the press on Monday and say every single decision was the correct one.
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Just watched the turnaround in the 2nd quarter again to see if my loathing of the maggots was justified.
1. 6 mins to go and Martin has just kicked his 2nd in a row to put us 19 up with all the momentum - we had won 8 of the last 10 centre breaks. Scrimmage from the ball up and Cotchin handballs just as he is tackled by Johnson. Johnson continues on with the tackle taking Cotchin and himself to ground in a Capt Obvious moment to take Cotchin out of the contest.
What should have been the outcome in a fair contest? A free kick for holding the man to Cotchin.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? A free kick to Johnson for Cotchin remonstrating by holding Johnson around the neck while lying underneath Johnson on the ground and a goal to Geelong.
2. 5 mins to go and Vickery kicks to a contest on our forward flank. Taylor grabs the ball but is tackled legally by Riewoldt and illegally disposes of the ball. Taylor then remonstrates with Riewoldt by holding him around the neck and then rolling him over.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Riewoldt for a. illegal disposal and b. around the neck/remonstrating and a shot on goal.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on into Geelong's forward line where the ball never left until a minute later decision #3.
3. 4 minutes to go and the ball is on the Geelong forward flank. First Vlastuin goes for the ball and get pushed in the back then it comes out to Cotchin who gets an even worse push in the back.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Vlastuin or a free kick to Cotchin (the worst of the 2 decisions) and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on deep into Geelong's forward line where Stokes to West for a goal.
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
And you know the worst part of it all is that the Queen Blowfly who breeds the maggots will come out in the press on Monday and say every single decision was the correct one.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
This is the one that I was seething over the most. Stokes had prior opportunity and chose to take Newman, loses and drops the ball. That's a free kick in any level of the game.
There was one I think I the third, Princess Selwood was tackled just after a center bounce... and he places, yes PLACES the ball on the ground.
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Not sure it was the same contest i was thinking of but I personally thought there was a blatant throw from selwood at the time but he got a free for in the back after what I though was staging.
Wanted to have another look at it on the replay but haven't had a chance as yet.
If anyone can shed some light on whether or not it was a throw much appreciated.
By then I'd basically had enough of the umpiring and had already lost the plot.
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Just watched the turnaround in the 2nd quarter again to see if my loathing of the maggots was justified.
1. 6 mins to go and Martin has just kicked his 2nd in a row to put us 19 up with all the momentum - we had won 8 of the last 10 centre breaks. Scrimmage from the ball up and Cotchin handballs just as he is tackled by Johnson. Johnson continues on with the tackle taking Cotchin and himself to ground in a Capt Obvious moment to take Cotchin out of the contest.
What should have been the outcome in a fair contest? A free kick for holding the man to Cotchin.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? A free kick to Johnson for Cotchin remonstrating by holding Johnson around the neck while lying underneath Johnson on the ground and a goal to Geelong.
2. 5 mins to go and Vickery kicks to a contest on our forward flank. Taylor grabs the ball but is tackled legally by Riewoldt and illegally disposes of the ball. Taylor then remonstrates with Riewoldt by holding him around the neck and then rolling him over.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Riewoldt for a. illegal disposal and b. around the neck/remonstrating and a shot on goal.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on into Geelong's forward line where the ball never left until a minute later decision #3.
3. 4 minutes to go and the ball is on the Geelong forward flank. First Vlastuin goes for the ball and get pushed in the back then it comes out to Cotchin who gets an even worse push in the back.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Vlastuin or a free kick to Cotchin (the worst of the 2 decisions) and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on deep into Geelong's forward line where Stokes to West for a goal.
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
And you know the worst part of it all is that the Queen Blowfly who breeds the maggots will come out in the press on Monday and say every single decision was the correct one.
Not hard to see why a couple of our players lost their cool.
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Not hard to see why a couple of our players lost their cool.
Yep, saw Newman on TV this morning say sorry he lost his cool and gave Selwood the free.
Now this was when Selwood charges at Newman and attempts to drive the shoulder into Newman's chest.
Newman sees him coming and turns and grabs Selwood in a headlock as Selwood delivers the shoulder charge.
Now the free was given against Newman. Why?
1) because Geelong players are allowed to attack others off the ball.
2) because Selwood is allowed to charge others off the ball.
3) because Richmond players are not allowed to defend themselves.
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a) the rules are turning so poo
b) it seems like we get screwed over all the time
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Fricken
Umpires
Create
Kaos
THE UMPIRES AND WTF SHOULD WE APPRECIATE CHEATING BASTARDS
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Gee whiz. Someone missed their afternoon nap.
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cant sleep
every time i close my eyes i see umpires
gonna sue the afl
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Is the dropping the ball rule even around anymore, or are they to busy watching for pushing in the side and sliding ::)
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cant sleep
every time i close my eyes i see umpires
gonna sue the afl
I get these strange feeling if watching on the TV sometimes.
I find myself looking at the crowd (irate richmond fan) and hoping someone will crack and run onto field and lose the plot at one of these green magg0ts. Im going to talk to a shrink.
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Is the dropping the ball rule even around anymore, or are they to busy watching for pushing in the side and sliding ::)
Ive noticed it basically isn't around any more. Not just in Richmond games, in general they don't ay it any where near as much as they used to. It must be deliberate due to the speed of the game, they give players a lot more leeway with dropping it, but not with dragging it in.
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4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
Yes, and that was the one where the intrusive and embarrassing Channel 7 cameras focused on me up and out of my seat, pointing the finger squarely at the green trickles of rectal discharge and chanting "bull$#*" repeatedly at the top of my lungs.
This is the one that I was seething over the most. Stokes had prior opportunity and chose to take Newman, loses and drops the ball. That's a free kick in any level of the game.
There was one I think I the third, Princess Selwood was tackled just after a center bounce... and he places, yes PLACES the ball on the ground.
Edited to correct quote
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4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
Yes, and that was the one where the intrusive and embarrassing Channel 7 cameras focused on me up and out of my seat, pointing the finger squarely at the green trickles of rectal discharge and chanting "bull$#*" repeatedly at the top of my lungs.
This is the one that I was seething over the most. Stokes had prior opportunity and chose to take Newman, loses and drops the ball. That's a free kick in any level of the game.
There was one I think I the third, Princess Selwood was tackled just after a center bounce... and he places, yes PLACES the ball on the ground.
And I loved and appreciated your work RR!!!! :clapping ;D
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Thanks Smokey. If we can't keep the bastards honest, then at least we can protest at their dishonesty as loud as possible.
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The decision against Adelaide's Thompson was/is a blight on the game.
The frockers are destroying footy :banghead
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Even Geelong supporter think they are getting a dream run with the umps.
"But this year so far i think we are getting a beautiful run from the umpires and no Geelong supporter can complain about the umpiring this year"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/are-we-getting-a-dream-run-from-the-umpires.1003786/#post-28092638
Maybe we need to get the umps down to Punt Rd as the Cats did over preseason.
"I wonder if we're also benefiting from the fact that when we had our match simulations versus North in the pre-season, we also had the umpires down there explaining their interpretation of various rules? We don't seem to be giving away as many free kicks as we have in the past, and some of that might be knowing what the umpires will/won't allow (although umpires interpretation does change to a certain extent from game to game)."
"Geelong has also completely reversed it's free kicks against this season as last year we were the no.1 team who gave away silly/undisciplined frees and we are currently seeing the benefits of not getting drawn into the crap some of our boys were doing in 2012 and it's paying off as Richmond did what we did last year. "
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Is the dropping the ball rule even around anymore, or are they to busy watching for pushing in the side and sliding ::)
Ive noticed it basically isn't around any more. Not just in Richmond games, in general they don't ay it any where near as much as they used to. It must be deliberate due to the speed of the game, they give players a lot more leeway with dropping it, but not with dragging it in.
It's a joke, if players aren't diving they're dropping the ball then in the off chance they aren't doing either they're disposing of it correctly
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I would be very appreciative if they would all just FRO :lol
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cant sleep
every time i close my eyes i see umpires
gonna sue the afl
I get these strange feeling if watching on the TV sometimes.
I find myself looking at the crowd (irate richmond fan) and hoping someone will crack and run onto field and lose the plot at one of these green magg0ts. Im going to talk to a shrink.
I sit up the top so that I don't do this.
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my stuffing head is still pounding with rage, but its like peeing in the wind with these cheating arseholes, they get away with whatever they like and laugh behind our backs for peeing us off
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we'd had FOUR free kicks for the game up until the 8:45 min mark of the 3rd qtr, Cats had already notched 14 :banghead
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we'd had FOUR free kicks for the game up until the 8:45 min mark of the 3rd qtr, Cats had already notched 14 :banghead
We'd had 4 in the first quarter though. :shh
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my stuffing head is still pounding with rage, but its like peeing in the wind with these cheating arseholes, they get away with whatever they like and laugh behind our backs for peeing us off
Exactly Hooter. I'm still having trouble accepting how bad it was.
But the most concerning thing for mine about the umpiring is what can we expect next game? Or the next?
Where does this end and what does it mean :huh
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I found it.
Watched the replay and with 3:05 left in the second quarter Selwood gets the ball between wing and half forward for Geelong with Vlastuin hot on his tail, Selwood clearly throws the ball whilst falling forward probably deliberately.
Vlastuin who was in hot pursuit fell over Selwood unintentionally and got a blood lip or nose as a result.
Umpire gives a free kick to Selwood for in the back and Vlastuin had to go off with blood rule.
Selwood passes to Smetts and kicks a goal and they are 1 point behind us.
After the numerous non decisions that quarter that particular decision pushed me into a very dark place & I completely lost the plot, was ready to chuck it in or belt anyone that gave me any lip.
The umpiring is a joke.
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I found it.
Watched the replay and with 3:05 left in the second quarter Selwood gets the ball between wing and half forward for Geelong with Vlastuin hot on his tail, Selwood clearly throws the ball whilst falling forward probably deliberately.
Vlastuin who was in hot pursuit fell over Selwood unintentionally and got a blood lip or nose as a result.
Umpire gives a free kick to Selwood for in the back and Vlastuin had to go off with blood rule.
Selwood passes to Smetts and kicks a goal and they are 1 point behind us.
After the numerous non decisions that quarter that particular decision pushed me into a very dark place & I completely lost the plot, was ready to chuck it in or belt anyone that gave me any lip.
The umpiring is a joke.
Amen
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Imagine what Graeme Richmond would have done to these Richmond hatin' fluro maggots?
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I've always bemoaned when we get fixtured to play Geebung in Sleepy Hollow, because I've always assumed that it's the parochialism of the home crowd which sways the umpire's decisions against us there. While this is true, the problem is much, much deeper than that for us unfortunately. There is no such thing as reciprocation for us when we get to play them on the G. Far from pandering to a large and very vocal Richmond crowd, the umpires will go out of their way to rile us up. Sometimes, like on Saturday night, I truly believe that they get a sadistic kick out of it.
But generally, the truth is that they umpire to reputations. In their eyes, Geelong are (one of the) modern day champs, and we are the upstarts, and we must be kept in our rightful place. This has been happening to us for so many years against not just Geelong, but all the so-called power house clubs, that it has become ingrained in us as supporters to expect it. I always shudder when the whistle blows in a 50-50 situation.
The Catch-22 for us for so long has been, that to receive the same kind of preferential treatment afforded to the more successful clubs, we have to start knocking them off and become successful ourselves. But we have no chance of doing this when we cop umpiring like we did on Saturday night. Welcome to Groundhog Day -33 years and counting.
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I always shudder when the whistle blows in a 50-50 situation.
I brace myself too
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I found it.
Watched the replay and with 3:05 left in the second quarter Selwood gets the ball between wing and half forward for Geelong with Vlastuin hot on his tail, Selwood clearly throws the ball whilst falling forward probably deliberately.
Vlastuin who was in hot pursuit fell over Selwood unintentionally and got a blood lip or nose as a result.
Umpire gives a free kick to Selwood for in the back and Vlastuin had to go off with blood rule.
Selwood passes to Smetts and kicks a goal and they are 1 point behind us.
After the numerous non decisions that quarter that particular decision pushed me into a very dark place & I completely lost the plot, was ready to chuck it in or belt anyone that gave me any lip.
The umpiring is a joke.
Go back about 20 secs prior to that MrT and have a look at the holding the ball that wasn't paid to Newman for his tackle on Stokes. The ball should never have got to Selwood in the first place. That decision was much worse than Vlastuin's in the back!
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Yes Smokes. The irony wasn't lost on me that for weeks the media had been banging on about, how we were one of the lowest teams on the tackle count, and how we needed to lift our intensity. Yet when we did all this, hunting Geelong both ferociously and fairly, we got absolutely no reward for it. It still just completely STAGGERS me, that we could've gone the entire 2nd quarter, playing as well as we did, without receiving ONE lousy free kick.
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Imagine what Graeme Richmond would have done to these Richmond hatin' fluro maggots?
They would've taken a drive in the XB falcon and a few of them would've disappeared
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I've always bemoaned when we get fixtured to play Geebung in Sleepy Hollow, because I've always assumed that it's the parochialism of the home crowd which sways the umpire's decisions against us there. While this is true, the problem is much, much deeper than that for us unfortunately. There is no such thing as reciprocation for us when we get to play them on the G. Far from pandering to a large and very vocal Richmond crowd, the umpires will go out of their way to rile us up. Sometimes, like on Saturday night, I truly believe that they get a sadistic kick out of it.
But generally, the truth is that they umpire to reputations. In their eyes, Geelong are (one of the) modern day champs, and we are the upstarts, and we must be kept in our rightful place. This has been happening to us for so many years against not just Geelong, but all the so-called power house clubs, that it has become ingrained in us as supporters to expect it. I always shudder when the whistle blows in a 50-50 situation.
The Catch-22 for us for so long has been, that to receive the same kind of preferential treatment afforded to the more successful clubs, we have to start knocking them off and become successful ourselves. But we have no chance of doing this when we cop umpiring like we did on Saturday night. Welcome to Groundhog Day -33 years and counting.
Bravo.
We get treated like an away team by the umpires on our home ground.
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Hi Smasha. Are you the same Smasha who posts on PRE? That may sound like a dumb question, but there is (or was) a Rolls Royce who also posts there, and it ain't me. Either way, I admire your passion for the Tigers. We are RICHMOND -F***! the rest!
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Hi Smasha. Are you the same Smasha who posts on PRE? That may sound like a dumb question, but there is (or was) a Rolls Royce who also posts there, and it ain't me. Either way, I admire your passion for the Tigers. We are RICHMOND -F***! the rest!
Given your nickname and avatar RR I take it you watched Open Mike this week?
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Hi Smasha. Are you the same Smasha who posts on PRE? That may sound like a dumb question, but there is (or was) a Rolls Royce who also posts there, and it ain't me. Either way, I admire your passion for the Tigers. We are RICHMOND -F***! the rest!
Given your nickname and avatar RR I take it you watched Open Mike this week?
Yep! As you would gather from my sign-in name, Royce Hart is my all-time favourite Tiger. I'd already heard most of the stories he told on Open Mike, as they are part of football folklore. The only exception was the one about him chauffeuring Mal Brown to the Windy Hill brawl game in '74 as he was out injured that day. I really think he's long overdue for a statue outside the G. Gate 4, get on it MCC.
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Given your nickname and avatar RR I take it you watched Open Mike this week?
Yep! As you would gather from my sign-in name, Royce Hart is my all-time favourite Tiger. I'd already heard most of the stories he told on Open Mike, as they are part of football folklore. The only exception was the one about him chauffeuring Mal Brown to the Windy Hill brawl game in '74 as he was out injured that day. I really think he's long overdue for a statue outside the G. Gate 4, get on it MCC.
He was mine too. Had his number on my first ever jumper and was always Royce when I played the thousands of Rich v Carl or Rich v Coll grand finals in my back yard. Can't recall ever losing any of those games but Roycey Baby sure kicked a lot of goals after the siren that got us over the line! ;D
And as for the Windy Hill game, I was about 50 mts from the action that day on the wing near the players races and it was on. I was thankful I was with my old man because I was only a teenager and it was hairy enough for Richmond supporters anywhere around the ground after that. The trip home on the tram to Niddrie was exciting too! :o
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It's unusual that you would cast yourself in the role of Royce Hart. It's always been my observation of those back-yard grand finals that the kid in question would be the best on ground himself and kick the winning goal (complete with hysteria from the commentary box as they called out his name of course ;D).
Not that being a league footballer was ever my fantasy as a kid. I wanted to be a rock star instead.
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He was mine too. Had his number on my first ever jumper and was always Royce when I played the thousands of Rich v Carl or Rich v Coll grand finals in my back yard. Can't recall ever losing any of those games but Roycey Baby sure kicked a lot of goals after the siren that got us over the line! ;D
:lol
I used to play the same roleplay in my backyard except I was Michael Roach. Sometimes when the siren rang I would be 'too far' out from goal to score. In that instance I would also play the role of Bruce Doull arguing with the umpire (also played by me) who would then award me a 15m penalty, bringing myself within range. Everyone knows what happens after that.
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He was mine too. Had his number on my first ever jumper and was always Royce when I played the thousands of Rich v Carl or Rich v Coll grand finals in my back yard. Can't recall ever losing any of those games but Roycey Baby sure kicked a lot of goals after the siren that got us over the line! ;D
:lol
I used to play the same roleplay in my backyard except I was Michael Roach. Sometimes when the siren rang I would be 'too far' out from goal to score. In that instance I would also play the role of Bruce Doull arguing with the umpire (also played by me) who would then award me a 15m penalty, bringing myself within range. Everyone knows what happens after that.
:lol
Good times! :thumbsup
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ahh yes, I used to do that roleplay too, cept my umpire was played by a stuffed toy, It is still buried in that old backyard somewhere, under the vege patch, they will NEVER FIND IT or the weapon.
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:lol
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I found it.
Watched the replay and with 3:05 left in the second quarter Selwood gets the ball between wing and half forward for Geelong with Vlastuin hot on his tail, Selwood clearly throws the ball whilst falling forward probably deliberately.
Vlastuin who was in hot pursuit fell over Selwood unintentionally and got a blood lip or nose as a result.
Umpire gives a free kick to Selwood for in the back and Vlastuin had to go off with blood rule.
Selwood passes to Smetts and kicks a goal and they are 1 point behind us.
After the numerous non decisions that quarter that particular decision pushed me into a very dark place & I completely lost the plot, was ready to chuck it in or belt anyone that gave me any lip.
The umpiring is a joke.
Go back about 20 secs prior to that MrT and have a look at the holding the ball that wasn't paid to Newman for his tackle on Stokes. The ball should never have got to Selwood in the first place. That decision was much worse than Vlastuin's in the back!
Yes I remember that one and a few before that one. By the time Selwood got that free kick my woofa valve had blown and I'd completely lost all control of myself and tolerance for inept umpiring.
It's been a long time that I've lost it at the umpires at a game as I was involved at a club whilst my son was playing so I've developed a lot of sympathy for them.
But that game was atrocious, not really the ones they gave but the ones they let go but gave to Geelong.
My kids were scared of me at the time but I soon calmed down by the beginning of the third when I new we were gone.
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It must be a different rules interpretation tonight ::). Not bagging the umps in the Geel vs Ess match tonight as they have let the game go but last week we got pulled up for good tackles that may have slipped a fraction high 5 secs later :scream.
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It must be a different rules interpretation tonight ::). Not bagging the umps in the Geel vs Ess match tonight as they have let the game go but last week we got pulled up for good tackles that may have slipped a fraction high 5 secs later :scream.
Another good dropping the ball non-decision on Christenson in the first :banghead
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It must be a different rules interpretation tonight ::). Not bagging the umps in the Geel vs Ess match tonight as they have let the game go but last week we got pulled up for good tackles that may have slipped a fraction high 5 secs later :scream.
Another good dropping the ball non-decision on Christenson in the first :banghead
Just before 3/4 time, Carlisle retaliates at Motlop who goes to ground trying to suck the ump into giving a free. Tonight's umps too smart for that and just let it go but last week we had idiots umpiring the game :banghead so we copped two frees against for that (Cotch and Newy).
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amazing isn't it? Two different sets of rules
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Well when there is an umpire coach, Paul Turk, on essendrug's payroll you can't be surprised
I love AFL :birthday
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Steeling myself for the poo dished out today
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Well, I have to say it wasn't too bad. Looked pretty neutral. Couple missed for both sides, so fair enough. Port fans cracked me up when they carried on about the Newmos mark after their player smacked it out of his hands LOL
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All I could hear was booooooo boooo boooo booo
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umpiring was one sided and pathetic.. cost us percentage and kept helping them
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lol
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Surprised tarpaulins could make that much noise.
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THOUGHT they were terrible again today especially in the 1st quarter.
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THOUGHT they were terrible again today especially in the 1st quarter.
Agree there was a period about 15 mins in the first just before we kicked away where I reckon they made about 6-8 wrong decisions in a row all against the tiges
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The standard of umpiring is nothing but a disgrace. The amount of blatant missed frees just stuffs up watching the game. If that fat slimy turd geisham thinks they are are doing well then the only alternative to being incompetent is they are cheats.
Ox's comments about the car accident and dildo was on the money.
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22 (Port) - 15 free kicks ....do we ever win this count?
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Well, I have to say it wasn't too bad. Looked pretty neutral.
FWIW I thought we got smashed again Owl. Will watch the replay and reconsider my first impression.
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im with you there smokey.
got butt raped by the turds, and thats my sober opinion.
that will only degenerate as i drink more.
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Port won the free kick count yet their fans still booed all throughout the game and will surely blame the umps
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what would you expect from inbred limpgots?
nearly as bad as the purple horde.
they all eat their children that are born showing a lack of genetic diversity
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Surprised tarpaulins could make that much noise.
Laughed out loud with this post Spirit fingers. Funny poo.
:clapping :clapping
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what a stuffing debarkle in the whorekes faggots game.
Goal umpire was sure it was goal. Boundry umpire thought it may have been touched. after ginning around for a eternity they decide to review it. The video ump says inconclusive original call, so the field ump says its a point.
Well done geish and the AFL :clapping
you stuffing cretins
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Please cease the Port insults, Coach will go into hiding again if you keep making him sad
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Geisch last week said any pushing in a contest even if it's to the side or front was no longer allowed. Now this week the umps have clearly been told by the powers that be to let it go. Seriously Geisch has to resign or be sacked. He has not a clue from week to week and just says everything is okay when anyone challenges a decision even if he contradicts himself from what he had said previously.
As for the umps, someone emailed 3aw during our game and mentioned that of the 3 umpires from last year's Grand Final, two did the Geel vs Ess game and the third was umpiring in the Haw vs Syd match. So the AFL makes sure the best umps do the games involving the top sides while the low profile games get the poorer umps.
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My howler was in the second quarter.
Vlaustin gets tackled. Tackle slips below the knee he is tripped. Right in front of the ump called play on. Port player gets tackled and throws the ball in front of the same ump who lets that go too and end up with Broadbent taking a big mark and kicking a goal for them.
Farcical just farcical.
The fish does rot at the head.
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plus flos never had the ball when he was tackled around the legs.
retreads!
in any other job if those under your management performed so poorly week in week out you would be long gone, but these stuffs thrive on incompetence.
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Yeah I saw that legging I posted it in the running commentary during the game, I spose im just pretty happy we spanked em in the end. The umpiring is disgusting, but it was a bit less disgusting this game than it was last week. Last week I was going to vomit so eager were they to help cruel our flow, stuffing muppets.
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they cost us valuable percentage the michael hunts
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Port's first two goals were courtesy of ropey decisions. Moments before their first one, which came during a scramble in the goalsquare where Schulz milked a push in the back, one of our blokes was grabbed around the neck, but they conveniently ignored it. A couple of round the necks to us were "not seen" by the umps on the day. Overall I believe the free kick count was 21-14 in Port's favour. Of course, you can highlight these sorts of things after a win and not be seen to be making excuses, or whine from sour grapes.
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All I can say after yesterday is RIP "Incorrect disposal of the ball"
It seems to have goen the way of the Drop Kick ...GONESKIS :banghead
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lot of one handed hand passes and dropped balls going on, but hey, Geelong were getting away with that all day, especially in the first half too
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i dont have too much of a problem with blokes who get collared as soon as they take posession getting some leeway, as long as they make an attempt to dispose of it, when they can.
what drives me beresk is when you see someone get wrapped up by two or three enemy and the ball is pinned in, and hear the silly turd in green saying they made no attempt. :banghead.
they just have no feel for game.
one classic yesterday was one of our blokes picked up the loose ball, got collared immediately and slammed to the ground in the tackle, only to hear the dopey prick say that he dived on the ball and pin him for holding the ball.
How can someone get something so wrong? I mean, truck me outta here.
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i dont have too much of a problem with blokes who get collared as soon as they take posession getting some leeway, as long as they make an attempt to dispose of it, when they can.
what drives me beresk is when you see someone get wrapped up by two or three enemy and the ball is pinned in, and hear the silly turd in green saying they made no attempt. :banghead.
they just have no feel for game.
one classic yesterday was one of our blokes picked up the loose ball, got collared immediately and slammed to the ground in the tackle, only to hear the dopey prick say that he dived on the ball and pin him for holding the ball.
How can someone get something so wrong? I mean, truck me outta here.
Agree Al, IMHO they were just as bad yesterday as last week, it just didn't matter this week because we were still able to overcome them and win - the quality of the relative opposition being the biggest difference.
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i dont have too much of a problem with blokes who get collared as soon as they take posession getting some leeway, as long as they make an attempt to dispose of it, when they can.
what drives me beresk is when you see someone get wrapped up by two or three enemy and the ball is pinned in, and hear the silly turd in green saying they made no attempt. :banghead.
they just have no feel for game.
one classic yesterday was one of our blokes picked up the loose ball, got collared immediately and slammed to the ground in the tackle, only to hear the dopey prick say that he dived on the ball and pin him for holding the ball.
How can someone get something so wrong? I mean, truck me outta here.
Dan Jackson dived on it, got straight up then got tackled. If that's the one you're thinking of
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yeah, could be. i think it was jackson.
i must have been too busy abusing the turds from some previous incident and missed the diving on the ball part :rollin
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i dont have too much of a problem with blokes who get collared as soon as they take posession getting some leeway, as long as they make an attempt to dispose of it, when they can.
what drives me beresk is when you see someone get wrapped up by two or three enemy and the ball is pinned in, and hear the silly turd in green saying they made no attempt. :banghead.
they just have no feel for game.
one classic yesterday was one of our blokes picked up the loose ball, got collared immediately and slammed to the ground in the tackle, only to hear the dopey prick say that he dived on the ball and pin him for holding the ball.
How can someone get something so wrong? I mean, truck me outta here.
Dan Jackson dived on it, got straight up then got tackled. If that's the one you're thinking of
Yes it was Jackson. He dived on it but the made every attempt humanly possible to get rid of it. The umpire then told him he dived on the ball and made no attempt! I'm not sure if he was watching the same game as the rest of mankind!
Absolute rubbish decision!
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What bout where Mcguanne tackled a port player at chf and he clearly dropped the ball. It was the same as when lids tackled swan. We get right royally reamed every week. Even the biased boofhead commentator said that was interesting
:banghead
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Watching last night's game, the umps definitely went soft over the round. You could push an opponent in the side or front to your heart's content. Now this is the way the game should be umpired (ie. the game's let go) but it contradicts and makes a mockery of what Geisch and the rules committee have been saying in recent weeks.
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Watching last night's game, the umps definitely went soft over the round. You could push an opponent in the side or front to your heart's content. Now this is the way the game should be umpired (ie. the game's let go) but it contradicts and makes a mockery of what Geisch and the rules committee have been saying in recent weeks.
Geishch needs to pee off
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Tonight, Shuey dumps Thomas off the ball after the ball has been kicked downfield (worse than what Newy did to Taylor Hunt) but no free paid. Just showing again the umps have gone soft since (or that we had an idiot for an ump that night).
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Tonight, Shuey dumps Thomas off the ball after the ball has been kicked downfield (worse than what Newy did to Taylor Hunt) but no free paid. Just showing again the umps have gone soft since (or that we had an idiot for an ump that night).
and every other night and afternoon
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I know we played crap but that third qtr done my head in
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Green slime kept them in the game with some baffling decisions.
What is too high? Ask Jako maybe 2 or 3 times.
What is holding the ball because I have no idea anymore either?
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McBurney made sure the game didn't balloon beyond 3-4 goals in the 3rd. Well done pee ant. :clapping
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Well done by the germs directing flow of play :clapping
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Throw the ball at McBurney's head next time Ty. FFS if you are going to give away 50 at least make it worthwhile. We were getting cheated anyway so what was he going to do? Just get it done next time Ty. :clapping
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Green slime kept them in the game with some baffling decisions.
The umps matched the standard of the game (ie. crap!). The other two field umpires had just 30 games experience between them.
What is too high? Ask Jako maybe 2 or 3 times.
Becoming a regular issue in our games. Richmond players having their heads nearly ripped off yet it's play on :huh :huh3 :scream.
What is holding the ball because I have no idea anymore either?
Neither do the umps. As WP said to me at the game, prior opportunity is just randomly paid now. Twice yesterday a Melbourne player was tackled and did a 360 yet the ump continued to flap his arms and call play on.
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Yeah the Jackson ones were so stuffing blatant, right in FRONT of the prick and he ignored them. He got smashed in the moosh twice in a row, and got nothing.
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Deledio and Ellis both almost lost their heads at different times, no free knock.
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IF they were consistent in ignoring those, then fine, but they were making things UP to pay frees to Melbourne and then ignoring blatant ones to us.
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Well, there goes my theory that they umpire to ladder positions. Seems no matter who we play, good, bad, indifferent or Rabblebourne, we are going to get screwed.
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Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
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Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
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Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
I wanted to draft him ahead of Jack. :-X :-\
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Jackson has to stop leading with his head then maybe he wouldn't get so many knocks to it. Might help him hit a target too
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Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
:lol
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Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
:lol
OH yeah the misses walked away at that stage I was raging so hard surprised the cops didn't turn up with pepper spray...find a happy stuffing place...
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Giesch, surprise surprise, says the umps did great on the weekend ...
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-05-20/umpires-get-it-right
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Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
:lol
OH yeah the misses walked away at that stage I was raging so hard surprised the cops didn't turn up with pepper spray...find a happy stuffing place...
:lol pretty sure someone called the cops on me. Not my fault I can do a better job than these pricks from the grandstand :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
(http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/uploads/pics/MCBURNEY-Steve-246x316.jpg)
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
(http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/uploads/pics/MCBURNEY-Steve-246x316.jpg)
Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
(http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/uploads/pics/MCBURNEY-Steve-246x316.jpg)
What a smug looking twerp.
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Lol at jizzberts getting a free. He plays for Norf. :lol
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
(http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/uploads/pics/MCBURNEY-Steve-246x316.jpg)
Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?
It's the bum that screwed us in dreamtime last year along with Gordy Barrister
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Demetriou admitted on Footy Classified last night that the AFL doesn't have enough experienced and quality umpires to spread around the 9 matches each week. He also mentioned that Gieschen didn't have his best moments when interviewed on On the Couch a couple weeks back trying to explain the rules and interpretations. Andy D said AFL football operations manager Mark Evans may be looking at how the Umpires dept. in structured and rejigging it. Hopefully a sign Giesch might be getting the flick as umpires coach :pray.
On 3aw tonight, a Tiger supporter rang in about the disgraceful umpiring in Richmond games this year and does a Richmond player need to be killed before things change. However, Caro cut him off saying she doesn't like umpire bashing and that Richmond got the run of the green in the St Kilda game so we can't complain about the umpiring. Gerard Healy then chipped in and said yeah I don't think we'll go with that conspiracy theory.
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I was surprised to see we actually won the free kick count against the skiers on Sunday I was there bashing my head against the fence on numerous occasions!! :banghead :banghead
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
(http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/uploads/pics/MCBURNEY-Steve-246x316.jpg)
Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?
It's the bum that screwed us in dreamtime last year along with Gordy Barrister
Ah yes the kid in the schoolyard who was too geeky skinny weak and unpopular who would get bashed tackled and smashed into the ground be forced to sit at the front of the pack with a high ball coming in to have the speccy taken over him and who was picked last at lunchtime in schoolyard footy.
Now he is charge being an ump and retribution is dealt swiftly and harshly turning this schoolyard nerd into an AFL nerd. Still sucking up to the popular kids from Geelong and Essendon and Sydney and Collingwood looking for a free invite to a party some sweet Saturday night when mum and dad away on holiday for the weekend.
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It's a face you would never get tired of slappin
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
(http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/uploads/pics/MCBURNEY-Steve-246x316.jpg)
Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?
It's the bum that screwed us in dreamtime last year along with Gordy Barrister
Ah yes the kid in the schoolyard who was too geeky skinny weak and unpopular who would get bashed tackled and smashed into the ground be forced to sit at the front of the pack with a high ball coming in to have the speccy taken over him and who was picked last at lunchtime in schoolyard footy.
Now he is charge being an ump and retribution is dealt swiftly and harshly turning this schoolyard nerd into an AFL nerd. Still sucking up to the popular kids from Geelong and Essendon and Sydney and Collingwood looking for a free invite to a party some sweet Saturday night when mum and dad away on holiday for the weekend.
:clapping
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
Needs to stop ducking his head maybe
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
(http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/uploads/pics/MCBURNEY-Steve-246x316.jpg)
Uurrgghh! What a head to be confronted with when I'm having my breakfast. Looks like the kind of anonymous middle management accountant type who leads a secret double life as a cross-dressing kiddie-fiddler.
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The umpire in question has been of the same standard throughout his career. Consistently crap. When I see his name on the record I always know we are in trouble. Inept decision making is assured when this guy is umpiring.
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As an interesting comparison I watched the first round of the Foxtel Cup last night - Norwood vs East Fremantle at AAMI Stadium on a wet Adelaide night. The umpiring was first class as they umpired to the conditions and the spirit of the game and I can't recall even one bad or controversial decision. And most noticeable was that they only paid a free if it was really there, no tiggy touchwood or highly technical crap just a free was a free was a free. A breath of fresh air to see a game umpired the way it should be umpired and they put their more highly regarded compatriots to shame.
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A face even a mother wants to kick in. :shh
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The umpire in question has been of the same standard throughout his career. Consistently crap. When I see his name on the record I always know we are in trouble. Inept decision making is assured when this guy is umpiring.
Exactly how I feel, although I always know we are in trouble when I see Stevics name in the record. Richmond hater in my opinion if there ever was one.
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As an interesting comparison I watched the first round of the Foxtel Cup last night - Norwood vs East Fremantle at AAMI Stadium on a wet Adelaide night. The umpiring was first class as they umpired to the conditions and the spirit of the game and I can't recall even one bad or controversial decision. And most noticeable was that they only paid a free if it was really there, no tiggy touchwood or highly technical crap just a free was a free was a free. A breath of fresh air to see a game umpired the way it should be umpired and they put their more highly regarded compatriots to shame.
lack of influence from that fool geish would have something to do with that.
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Best umpires game we have had all year, umps have thrown out gooses rule book and gone back to common sense umpiring
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Best umpires game we have had all year, umps have thrown out gooses rule book and gone back to common sense umpiring
:clapping instead we were the incompetent ones.
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Best umpires game we have had all year, umps have thrown out gooses rule book and gone back to common sense umpiring
:clapping instead we were the incompetent ones.
Yep, from an old fashioned umpire basher they were the least of our problems- the game was well umpired tonight.
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Best umpires game we have had all year, umps have thrown out gooses rule book and gone back to common sense umpiring
:clapping instead we were the incompetent ones.
Yep, from an old fashioned umpire basher they were the least of our problems- the game was well umpired tonight.
Agree as soon as I saw we had Rosebury who's the best in the game I thought at least the umps won't take my focus.
Our stupid criss-crossing from one HB flank to another did that. My head still hurts from it ;D
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Preferred tonight but two things left me scratching my head
1. Jack being called a mark then ball up. Yes it was touched but Jack's a smart player and would of kept that ball moving instead of standing there and giving Carlisle an easy tackle stat. Umpire just needed to make up his mind and keep it one way.
2. "Play on if you want". :banghead :banghead :banghead I wouldn't have a clue what that means if I was out there.
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Preferred tonight but two things left me scratching my head
1. Jack being called a mark then ball up. Yes it was touched but Jack's a smart player and would of kept that ball moving instead of standing there and giving Carlisle an easy tackle stat. Umpire just needed to make up his mind and keep it one way.
2. "Play on if you want". :banghead :banghead :banghead I wouldn't have a clue what that means if I was out there.
Did this really happen? Dear God.
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Preferred tonight but two things left me scratching my head
1. Jack being called a mark then ball up. Yes it was touched but Jack's a smart player and would of kept that ball moving instead of standing there and giving Carlisle an easy tackle stat. Umpire just needed to make up his mind and keep it one way.
2. "Play on if you want". :banghead :banghead :banghead I wouldn't have a clue what that means if I was out there.
Did this really happen? Dear God.
Just before Lonergan got holding the ball
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Besides the above point,i thought the umpiring was pretty good.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick happy for umpires to pay more free kicks
AAP
From: Herald Sun
June 13, 2013 5:40PM
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has no problems with umpires paying more free kicks - as long as they are consistent.
Umpires have paid less free kicks in the past few weeks amid an ongoing discussion in the game about the rules and how they are policed.
Carlton star Chris Judd said on Thursday there is excessive tinkering with the rules and players are finding it much harder to play on instinct.
"You certainly get a general gist of the rules or how they're going to be interpreted watching the Friday night game,'' Hardwick said.
"The thing that we just like as a ... fraternity is just the consistency.
"My theory ... is the rules are the rules.
"If they're there, pay the free kicks.''
Hardwick added umpires were now perhaps not paying enough free kicks in some areas.
"The first five or six weeks, I know where they copped a lot of criticism ... I was pretty happy,'' he said.
"I probably feel they've gone away a little bit from rewarding the ball carrier.
"You'll see the stoppages have gone up - they've probably gone away from rewarding that second tackler in.
"That's probably the one I think they can be a little more diligent on.''
The Tigers coach is also unfazed by umpires' boss Jeff Gieschen talking to Essendon coach James Hird before the Bombers played Richmond in Round 9.
"I'm not sure - I'm only going on what I've heard from someone else,'' Hardwick said.
"To me, it was a non-issue - it had no bearing on the result.
"I don't think there was anything malicious in it.''
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-happy-for-umpires-to-pay-more-free-kicks/story-fndv8t7m-1226663408957
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/coach-consistency-plea-20130613-2o760.html
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Wtf is going on today, terrible umpiring
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It's like they're letting heaps go then stringing together some BS ones to make up for it. How was Rance out of bounds? He didn't leave his line and kicked it from inside the line. Could argue that he was outside when play on was called (and what for? Lol) but no different to that Adelaide bloke in the first.
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Wtf is going on today, terrible umpiring
Deliberate OOB's back in fashion today. High tackles for soft touches. Play on as soon as a sideways step is taken. Wonderfully consistent, these maggots. Must be pay back for Dimma making noise about the heads-up call the maggots gave Golden Boy pre-Dreamtime.
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Wtf is going on today, terrible umpiring
Deliberate OOB's back in fashion today. High tackles for soft touches. Play on as soon as a sideways step is taken. Wonderfully consistent, these maggots. Must be pay back for Dimma making noise about the heads-up call the maggots gave Golden Boy pre-Dreamtime.
Newys was shocking, came off the edge of his boot while getting tackled
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Wtf is going on today, terrible umpiring
Deliberate OOB's back in fashion today. High tackles for soft touches. Play on as soon as a sideways step is taken. Wonderfully consistent, these maggots. Must be pay back for Dimma making noise about the heads-up call the maggots gave Golden Boy pre-Dreamtime.
Newys was shocking, came off the edge of his boot while getting tackled
Yes, that was a classic. I forgot that one, Chuck.
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Edwardsshane kicked in hand
Looks at umpire
Play on
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Should Tur these umpires to a tree, spread honey on their vaginas and let the animals go wild!
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Should Tur these umpires to a tree, spread honey on their vaginas and let the animals go wild!
Sounds hot. Can I watch?
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Should Tur these umpires to a tree, spread honey on their vaginas and let the animals go wild!
Sounds hot. Can I watch?
Absolutely, Geisch will be wearing the g*** outfit
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They were shocking today. With all the talk of letting the soft ones go in recent times, you just knew they would come out and make a statement. They picked the right conditions to pay the soft ones ::)
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There was one decision early in the game that was just awful.A Richmond player kicked the ball 30 metres down the line ,the ball dribbled out and the umpire paid deliberate..it was just the worst decision
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There was one decision early in the game that was just awful.A Richmond player kicked the ball 30 metres down the line ,the ball dribbled out and the umpire paid deliberate..it was just the worst decision
There were 3 if I remember correctly. 2 against us and 1 Adelaide call. When the Adelaide (our way) decision was made the Richmond crowd laughed so much that I'm sure the Ump was embarrassed into resisting any more temptation :lol
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I reckon we(the crowd ) gave the ump so much crap for the crows decisions,we sucked him in for the Richmond one..or is that just wishfull thinking..lol
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I reckon we(the crowd ) gave the ump so much crap for the crows decisions,we sucked him in for the Richmond one..or is that just wishfull thinking..lol
I reckon you are spot on :thumbsup
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Some bloody shockers today.
The holds on Cotchin when he was playing as a high half forward were as obvious as dogs balls
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I think the crows were trying to mate with trent
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There was one decision early in the game that was just awful.A Richmond player kicked the ball 30 metres down the line ,the ball dribbled out and the umpire paid deliberate..it was just the worst decision
Yeah against Newy, horrendous. They should just put the whistle away!!!!! :banghead :banghead
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DELIBERATE? What a joke it was today
Terrific, just terrific TM
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Some bloody shockers today.
The holds on Cotchin when he was playing as a high half forward were as obvious as dogs balls
That one in the third quarter was a shocker.
Then the Crows got s string of cheapies culminating in Jenkins missing only for Maric to take a pack mark that was paid a free to Adelaide only for it to be reversed for off the ball shepherding to us 30 metres away.
The umps have reached a new low.
We can blame Geische all we like and that is fair but AA is the malaka who initiated all these malakia changes in his time at the AFLin the first place.
Malakes. :help
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Some bloody shockers today.
The holds on Cotchin when he was playing as a high half forward were as obvious as dogs balls
That one in the third quarter was a shocker.
Then the Crows got s string of cheapies culminating in Jenkins missing only for Maric to take a pack mark that was paid a free to Adelaide only for it to be reversed for off the ball shepherding to us 30 metres away.
The umps have reached a new low.
We can blame Geische all we like and that is fair but AA is the malaka who initiated all these malakia changes in his time at the AFLin the first place.
Malakes. :help
So what you're saying is malaka, malakia, malakes
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And malakismeni!
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Malakandreas
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Gee they give it to us today again... wtf
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HATE HATE HATE, just about blew a foofa valve at 10, most excitement for the day cause we always had it in the bag idiots
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I love how we booed when they didn't pay Adelaide a deliberate. :lol
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Simon Meredith (Ump no.21) receiving a lot of "appreciation" from us Tiger supporters :lol
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Should Tur these umpires to a tree, spread honey on their vaginas and let the animals go wild!
Sounds hot. Can I watch?
Absolutely, Geisch will be wearing the g*** outfit
LMAO...... until i get an mental image of geish in his gimp suit, complete with the ball gag.
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i hate umpires with a passion. they deliberately screw us over week in week out
cotch has a sore butt today he was raped all day yesterday
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I truly think they were just as bad each way.
Hopeless umpiring, but i dont think we were dudded as such
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Simon Meredith (Ump no.21) receiving a lot of "appreciation" from us Tiger supporters :lol
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Lol who is that dero in the white hat :shh :rollin
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The media are now saying Giesch didn't choose to go on a midseason 'holiday'; it was enforced by the powers that be. Giesch = gonski! :yep
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Morris getting choked and the maggot looking the other way :huh
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The media are now saying Giesch didn't choose to go on a midseason 'holiday'; it was enforced by the powers that be. Giesch = gonski! :yep
God, I hope this is true! I don't think the umpire's had any effect on our loss to Essendank - we just plain stank it up that night. But it was still disgraceful that they not only rang the Bummers midweek to forewarn them of a major shift in interpretation, but then went into their rooms pre-match like their best mates, and didn't afford us either of these luxuries.
As for their performance yesterday, it was nothing short of abysmal. Those three deliberate out of bounds by that pedantic number 10 were an early indication that we were in for a l-o-o-n-g day. That disallowed that mark to Ivan in the goalsquare late in the third was the final straw for me. I leapt out of my seat, ran down to the fence and smashed it as hard as I could with my fists, giving the umpire an absolute gobfull at the top of my lungs. Sure I stand up and shout a lot, but it's rare that they make me THAT angry.
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Simon Meredith (Ump no.21) receiving a lot of "appreciation" from us Tiger supporters :lol
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Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images
Lol who is that dero in the white hat :shh :rollin
I like the conflicted kid in a Sydney jumper and a Tigers cap ... C'mon son you know you want too !!
Risk both - Head & Shin
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Simon Meredith (Ump no.21) receiving a lot of "appreciation" from us Tiger supporters :lol
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Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images
Lol who is that dero in the white hat :shh :rollin
I like the conflicted kid in a Sydney jumper and a Tigers cap ... C'mon son you know you want too !!
Risk both - Head & Shin
:lol
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Appreciated the umpiring today ;D. Still some bizarre decisions that went against us (that non-holding the ball on the members' wing and then that 50m in the 3rd qtr when Vickery was just following his man around) but overall it was a rare day that we got a good run mostly (they loved Cotch).
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We got 3 goals from fees Jack, Vicks and Cotch on the 3/4 time siren and Arnot kicked a point in the third. The theory we had when we were battlers was true the more higher you are on the ladder the more frees you get and the more frees you get in your forward 50. I can't remember so many frees for us in our F50.
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If you don't mind, umpire: the most contentious umpiring decisions of AFL Round 17
Al Paton
From: Herald Sun
July 22, 2013 1:00PM
WE PICK the biggest umpiring eyebrow-raisers of the weekend.
Each week we'll nominate the most controversial, baffling and unusual umpiring calls - all the interests of raising issues of rule interpretation so important to our game.
TIGER TIME
Richmond's last two goals of the third quarter against Fremantle came from free kicks, and both were questionable. First Ty Vickery led under the ball and won a free for a push, going back to slot the goal from 30m. Then skipper Trent Cotchin felt a hand brush his shoulder and made sure the umpire didn't miss it. The whistle blew as the siren sounded to end the term, and Cotchin kicked truly from 50m to give the Tigers a 21-point lead and unbeatable momentum.
Freo unlucky, 2 goals in that quarter from free kicks that weren't there. Come on umps!! #afltigersfreo #getitright
— Paul Hasleby (@Haz4Paul) July 21, 2013
Robbo wasn't impressed - read his take HERE:
10 THINGS I DON'T LIKE
1. Diving
It's becoming a plague and the conversation has to move on from North Melbourne's Lindsay Thomas. If we asked for names, we'd probably get a 100 players, but the angst today is at the Tigers. Tyrone Vickery and Trent Cotchin seemed to milk free kicks just before three-quarter time. Paid free kicks, they both kicked goals, and the margin was 21 at the final break. Some can say it's football, and what comes around, goes around, but in a time where every free kick is scrutinised, the head throw-backs and the diving forward is a very bad look.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/if-you-dont-mind-umpire-the-most-contentious-umpiring-decisions-of-afl-round-17/story-fndv8ufg-1226683124046
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-captain-gary-ablett-moving-out-of-his-fathers-shadow/story-fnelctok-1226682796976
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Matty Lloyd, Angus Monfries, Lewis Jetta, Alwyn Davey board
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Thoughts on the umpires performance last night?
The head high hit on Vickery in the first quarter called play on?
20 free kicks to 13, Carltons way?
The advantage rule? Holding of our forwards?
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The holding of the jumper in the 3rd on Dusty :banghead :banghead
Didn't realise how much give (stretch) there is in footy jumpers these days
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
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Gotta watch the replay, but there was some real confounding stuff going against us out there.
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The worst part about last night is they became "whistle happy" again
Round 1 the umpiring overall was good vast improvement on 2013
Last night they seemed to have travelled back in time to 2013 :-\
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Can't believe that idiot reported Martin.
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back to being a joke was last night regarding the umpiring
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Can't believe that idiot reported Martin.
Ralphy was already talking about 2 weeks, down to 1 with a guilty plea!!
All from that footage where you can't tell if it was a slap, push, or a strike!?!
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The notion of teaching youngsters to play in front or be first to the ball is history based on last night.
the umpires are clueless to the notion of prior opportunity or being able to make a genuine attempt to get rid of the ball.
they are umpiring as if they want to encourage blokes to be second in with the sole intent to tackle rather than be first and get the ball.
as for throws, how many did the scum get away with?
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the umpire call on the Griffiths play on in the last quarter was a disgrace and nearly caused the kid a serious leg injury. the club should actually make a deal about this particular decision because it could have cost the kid his career. it was disgraceful decision although it wasnt the only one. the blooz had the umpiring with them last night.
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Discussing !!!
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Discussing !!!
Yes, we are!!
.. ;D
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the umpire call on the Griffiths play on in the last quarter was a disgrace and nearly caused the kid a serious leg injury
That was a howler ! I thought the worst one was in the last minutes when Carlton kicked out poorly after a point and Petterd got done for holding or some crap. That cost us a goal at a vital stage.
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the umpire call on the Griffiths play on in the last quarter was a disgrace and nearly caused the kid a serious leg injury. the club should actually make a deal about this particular decision because it could have cost the kid his career. it was disgraceful decision although it wasnt the only one. the blooz had the umpiring with them last night.
I second this. I almost had an aneurysm when I heard the play on call.
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it was disgraceful
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
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the umpire call on the Griffiths play on in the last quarter was a disgrace and nearly caused the kid a serious leg injury
That was a howler ! I thought the worst one was in the last minutes when Carlton kicked out poorly after a point and Petterd got done for holding or some crap. That cost us a goal at a vital stage.
Did you see Petterd have a crack at Yarran for being a weak dog?
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Did you see Petterd have a crack at Yarran for being a weak dog?
I did. Little stager. Reckon Waite should cop a fine from the tribunal for his pathetic stage too.
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
Thanks didn't see that part.
In the back in a marking contest was fairly inconsistent too. And what is the point of tackling if blokes can just chuck the ball out?
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.
Agree. Some think Griff should have moved out the way and let his opponent just win the tap.
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Think it was there to be honest. SImply because Griff was looking at the man and not the ball. But then again maybe you're allowed to stand in the way and look at the man when you're the ruckman. Don't know.
We won
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If you can't stand your ground the game is stuffed
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Think it was there to be honest. SImply because Griff was looking at the man and not the ball. But then again maybe you're allowed to stand in the way and look at the man when you're the ruckman. Don't know.
We won
Yep. If he hadn't of looked at him he would have been ok. The fact the ball went behind Griff and he went the other way to block Warnock didn't help.
Besides without it we don't get this gem
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Think it was there to be honest. SImply because Griff was looking at the man and not the ball. But then again maybe you're allowed to stand in the way and look at the man when you're the ruckman. Don't know.
We won
Giff was indeed looking at the man and not the ball. But if you watch the replay, so was Warnock. Difference was he was in the air so the ump ruled in his favour (although I don't believe this should have been a consideration).
Was very frustrated by the play-on call against Griff late in the game. Also the non-call for holding Martin (think it was Waite holding him). Should have either been a free against Martin for holding the ball when he was tackled (I wouldn't have been upset if that had been paid) or a holding the man call against Waite who was blatently pulling his jumper when not in possession for an extended period of time after the ball had come loose.
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Correct the umpire had that one right
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Correct the umpire had that one right
Surely as the designated Ruck you are allowed to take position and hold it, especially as it was a position that would allow him to tap the ball.
Show me where in the rule book it states that you have to have your eyes on the ball at all times when getting position for a ruck duel.
You can't because it doesn't exist!
Crap decision.
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Correct the umpire had that one right
Surely as the designated Ruck you are allowed to take position and hold it, especially as it was a position that would allow him to tap the ball.
Show me were in the rule book it states that you have to have your eyes n the ball at all times when getting position for a ruck duel.
You can't because it doesn't exist!
Crap decision.
which rule book have you been reading. ;D
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We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.
The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Correct the umpire had that one right
Surely as the designated Ruck you are allowed to take position and hold it, especially as it was a position that would allow him to tap the ball.
Show me were in the rule book it states that you have to have your eyes n the ball at all times when getting position for a ruck duel.
You can't because it doesn't exist!
Crap decision.
which rule book have you been reading. ;D
The AFL rule book? :shh
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The AFL rule book? :shh
show us the page about Ruck contest ;D
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The AFL rule book? :shh
show us the page about Ruck contest ;D
AFL rules 2014. Download PDF on aflcommunityclub.com.au
Page 52
Rule 15.4.5 (f)
Nowhere does it mention where your eyes must be focusing to constitute a block in a ruck contest.
Look it up.
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Yeah but they do in other aspects such as when running back with the flight of the ball, if a player takes his eyes off the ball and looks at his man, even the slightest contact gets paid, whereas if the player just watches the ball the whole time, he usually gets away with it. I don't know if its a written law or not, but its definitely part of the interpretation. They probably used this when paying that free
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if you know a 200cm 100kg bloke is going to be jumping over you because the retread cant ball it up correctly you are going to have a look to where he is so you can position yourself properly so as to minimise damage.
obviously those instructing the umpires have never been in this situation
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Do the umps give the blokes a wink and their phone numbers when they're looking into their eyes?
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Yeah but they do in other aspects such as when running back with the flight of the ball, if a player takes his eyes off the ball and looks at his man, even the slightest contact gets paid, whereas if the player just watches the ball the whole time, he usually gets away with it. I don't know if its a written law or not, but its definitely part of the interpretation. They probably used this when paying that free
The difference with what you you have put up is that the umpire makes a decision after the contest has occurred and can judge if the player went for the ball or not (i.e. he may never looked at the ball at all).
In the Griffiths situation he was always going to look at the ball at some point for the tap out. Fair enough if he never gets close to the ball but that wasn't the case on this occasion.
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What about when Bell was spun 720 degrees and not pinged? Seriously...
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For future reference, it was ump number 11 Matthew Lappard who crucified us.
Hopefully we dont draw him again especially with Shane McInerney (30) otherwise we are rooted
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Umpired them back into the game . was that umpire no 11 1st game umpired like it nfi.
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which rule book have you been reading. ;D
The AFL rule book? :shh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkErycB4Ahg
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CAUGHT BY SURPRISE
He was hardly the only person on the field to make an error on Thursday night, but a rush of blood by a field umpire in the dying minutes of Richmond’s narrow win against Carlton could have had drastic consequences.
Tiger Ben Griffiths latched on to a scrambled Bryce Gibbs kick into the Carlton forward 50 and went back to take his kick as the Tigers clung to an eight-point lead. Barely two seconds had elapsed before the umpire waved play-on and a blindsided Griffiths was mowed down by Jeff Garlett.
The ball spilled free and Jarrad Waite took a flying shot at goal but missed — not for the first time that night.
Griffiths was clearly stiff, especially since Garlett was no more than a metre or two away when the umpire waved his arms — an offence that would have drawn a 50m penalty last year.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/if-you-dont-mind-umpire-the-most-controversial-calls-of-afl-round-2/story-e6frf3e3-1226869913369
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CAUGHT BY SURPRISE
He was hardly the only person on the field to make an error on Thursday night, but a rush of blood by a field umpire in the dying minutes of Richmond’s narrow win against Carlton could have had drastic consequences.
Tiger Ben Griffiths latched on to a scrambled Bryce Gibbs kick into the Carlton forward 50 and went back to take his kick as the Tigers clung to an eight-point lead. Barely two seconds had elapsed before the umpire waved play-on and a blindsided Griffiths was mowed down by Jeff Garlett.
The ball spilled free and Jarrad Waite took a flying shot at goal but missed — not for the first time that night.
Griffiths was clearly stiff, especially since Garlett was no more than a metre or two away when the umpire waved his arms — an offence that would have drawn a 50m penalty last year.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/if-you-dont-mind-umpire-the-most-controversial-calls-of-afl-round-2/story-e6frf3e3-1226869913369
i must admit I was gobsmacked at the ground. Couldn't understand why the umpire blue the whistle....
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i must admit I was gobsmacked at the ground. Couldn't understand why the umpire blue the whistle....
because he's a ****
pretty easy to understand most of their decisions when you take that into account
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i must admit I was gobsmacked at the ground. Couldn't understand why the umpire blue the whistle....
because he's a ****
pretty easy to understand most of their decisions when you take that into account
An easy explanation! :lol
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CAUGHT BY SURPRISE
He was hardly the only person on the field to make an error on Thursday night, but a rush of blood by a field umpire in the dying minutes of Richmond’s narrow win against Carlton could have had drastic consequences.
Tiger Ben Griffiths latched on to a scrambled Bryce Gibbs kick into the Carlton forward 50 and went back to take his kick as the Tigers clung to an eight-point lead. Barely two seconds had elapsed before the umpire waved play-on and a blindsided Griffiths was mowed down by Jeff Garlett.
The ball spilled free and Jarrad Waite took a flying shot at goal but missed — not for the first time that night.
Griffiths was clearly stiff, especially since Garlett was no more than a metre or two away when the umpire waved his arms — an offence that would have drawn a 50m penalty last year.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/if-you-dont-mind-umpire-the-most-controversial-calls-of-afl-round-2/story-e6frf3e3-1226869913369
So did they admit they got it wrong ?
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick praises AFL umpires, but ...
Chloe Saltau
The Age
April 3, 2014 - 4:35PM
The umpires' willingness to put away their whistles has been widely celebrated, and Damien Hardwick is happy with the standard of officiating, but the Richmond coach wouldn't mind a few more free kicks for holding the ball to go the Tigers' way.
Hardwick said he had contacted the umpires' boss, former Richmond captain Wayne Campbell, to raise a couple of areas of concern after round two. One was an apparent reluctance to pay free kicks for holding the ball, and the other that the umpires had been quick to call play on after marking contests.
"I think they are doing a lot of things exceptionally well. I love the marking contests now," Hardwick said. "Probably the one we are a bit concerned about, we felt we got called to play on a bit from marking contests on the weekend. We had three guys who were tackled, so we clarified that with 'Campbo' and communication has been great. The other one is just the holding-the-ball decisions, I think we have had 110 tackles and only three holding-the-ball decisions that have gone our way, so if we could just get those right, Campbo, that would be great," Hardwick said with a grin.
The first two rounds have had an average of 16.5 free kicks paid to each side each game, the lowest figure for more than a decade. "Overall, I think the standard has been very good, which I think everyone is happy to see," Hardwick said. "The game is incredibly quick, the boys are massive now and there 's a lot of people around the ball, so overall they are doing a terrific job."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-praises-afl-umpires-but--20140403-zqqar.html#ixzz2xpy4Gn5y
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We have drawn the following umpires for todays game
Leigh Fischer (3)
Matt Stevic (9)
David Harris (24)
From memory Stevic can have his moments but otherwise these guys should be ok. Certainly not renowned for murdering us
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Stevic has been a c*** to us in the past
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Wallis' treatment of Cotchin around every single stoppage.
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we had a fair run from the umps today. no complaints from me. its a mans game not a game for panzies.
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we had a fair run from the umps today. no complaints from me. its a mans game not a game for panzies.
here here ramps.
great umpiring not only this game all year.
Its a shame we are a pathetic football club that have pies, lions away, hawks and cats waiting for us. No 8 for us this year
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Me neither, we got a good run today
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Except for the oompa loompa trying to dry hump cotchin at every stoppage. Only got pinged the one time when he was caught trying to rip cotchin's jumper off and had his prick out.
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we had a fair run from the umps today. no complaints from me. its a mans game not a game for panzies.
Yep no complaints from me. If anything we got the rub of the green
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Umpires tonight -
Craig Fleer (2)
Robert Findlay (23)
Tory Pannell (28)
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Eddie been going on all week about having fireworks ready for when Cloke 'finally gets a free kick.' So expecting some charity tonight.
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In fairness, Cloke does cop a raw deal. Just cuz he's a beast doesn't mean defenders should get away with clear holds. Tom Lonergan gets away with murder as a defender.
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I agree Coach but Cloke carries on a bit like Jack and I reckon umpires let him cop a few because of it.
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It's ok to maul Cotchin again, but you can't enter Pendlebury's special space.
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Don't pay a free kick for rape
Instead, say "watch your holds".
Mind blowingly good umpiring
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Don't pay a free kick for rape
Instead, say "watch your holds".
Mind blowingly good umpiring
We are crapier than the umpires. Much worse in fact.
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Endanger, when was that last paid, 1980..
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we going to blame the umps tonight? hhaha
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Putting our pathetic effort to one side if I may, what were peoples views on the umpiring last night and in particular, the treatment of Cotchin?
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they weren't very nice to us, but we got reamed anyway
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they weren't very nice to us, but we got reamed anyway
Without lube as well
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Yep it's a campaign against us from League Headquarters since 1980.
They have been against us since Raines got 0 votes in the Brownlow in 1980.
Has coincided with our decline.
Our teams are great but the umpiring standards are deplorable and hence our lowly position. :whistle
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Hard wick should've lost iit about Maccafer's scragging last night. Soft %#*!
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Hard wick should've lost iit about Maccafer's scragging last night. Soft %#*!
I agree other coaches stick up for their blokes when they get scragged and such. Ie Cloke this week.
Dimma sticks up for Ty, structures, contested ball stats and his balls.
Vanilla coach.
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Why doesn't he use a tagger
Ablett
Yarren
McRae
Penders
:banghead
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Yep it's a campaign against us from League Headquarters since 1980.
They have been against us since Raines got 0 votes in the Brownlow in 1980.
Has coincided with our decline.
Our teams are great but the umpiring standards are deplorable and hence our lowly position. :whistle
Agreed well said. :lol :lol
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Why doesn't he use a tagger
Ablett
Yarren
McRae
Penders
:banghead
He does. It just seems like it because even our taggers are poo.
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I don't think the umps had any influence on the result, even though there was some poor decisions.....we could of had another dozen free kicks but it still wouldn't have changed the result. Missing set shots from 30 metres, handling errors, fumbles, lack of skill, lack of composure, lack of intensity, lack of game plan, lack of structure had more to do with it
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Umpires are not to blame!
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Maybe not - but if rape is not. Free kick
Why don't we do the same to the opposition strongest player
What happens to cotchin
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Maybe not - but if rape is not. Free kick
Why don't we do the same to the opposition strongest player
What happens to cotchin
Mentally weak we don't retaliate. We simply play nice. We don't hunt we get hunted and once the trend of the game is set the pattern does not change unless the opposition change it.
Mentally weak and pea hearted bunch.
Has been hapenning for 30 odd years.
Haven't bashed anyone since the 70's just ask those who gleefully smashed Vin Waite, Nicholls and co at Carlton. Now we are just happy to cop it and move in. The less scrutiny on our deficiencies the better rather than try to improve on our image. Welcome to another cycle of skata.
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We breed administrator and manager types.
We need more Scotty Turners & Johnny Howats.
It's better to have a balance though or someone like Hodge or the Scott brothers or Matthews or Bomber.
Brutal on the field, leaders on and off the field.
The correct balance is what you need.
Or a culture that demands it. Nice guys become great players become strong uncompromising leaders that are brutal.
At Richmond the good guys just get softer become administrators/mangers and the hard nuts just get dumber (unless they leave ie.Schultz & Ottens) & forget even the basic fundamentals of footy.
The cycle of Skata.
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Yep noone gets in the face of the opposition. Noone. We don't grind anyone into dust we just leave a pathway for them to get back into the game.
Noone prepared to push the boundaries or encourage someone to do so.
Every team has a player you love to hate. Except us.
We have players that people laugh at. Vanilla types. Blokes who just simply cruise through the game in exactly the same way whether we are well up or down. Lamentably too many of these types and not enough blokes bucking the trend to show initiative and put the hand up to take responsibility.
We are the politically correct footy club. Non controversial and therefore non relevant.
Everyone gets a prize. The Jack Dyer Medal count will be postponed because all players deserve to win it. It's not about winning its about everyone wanting to play in the centre, FF, Wing etc and everyone plays the same amount of time. Its about participating and fostering happy kids playing footy.
Next week RFC will be playing Aus Kick because blokes like Ty don't want to play under the spotlight and the Aus Kick kids will be playing for us because we want to share the joy. Welcome to the Under 10's or more commonly known as the RFC.
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Johnny Howat :clapping
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Loved that johnny Howat banner in the cheersquad lmao
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Umps coach Hayden Kennedy says whistleblowers can only pay frees when there’s a clear hold
Herald-Sun
April 12, 2014 1:03PM
THE AFL’s senior umpiring coach says he didn’t like Brent Macaffer’s tagging tactics against Trent Cotchin.
But Hayden Kennedy says umpires are limited in what they can do about the so-called “bear trap” where a tagger wraps his arms around a player without actually grabbing his arms or jumper.
Asked on SEN radio if he liked what he saw at the MCG last night, when Macaffer restricted Cotchin to just 13 disposals, Kennedy said: “No, not particularly, and that’s purely from an umpiring perspective.
“Umpires are instructed as soon as they see a hold, that’s where the free occurs.
“There has to be a hold.”
All three umpires were instructed to watch players closely at stoppages, an issue that had been highlighted by the umpires department after Bulldog Mitch Wallis employed similar tactics against Cotchin a week ago.
“Speaking with the umpires they knew there were some hard tags going on ... not only were there hard tags around the ground, but also when players were moving forward that was also an issue,” Kennedy said.
“We’ll just keep on coaching and saying once there’s a hold, it has to be paid.”
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said today he expected Cotchin to have a tough night after watching Macaffer restrict Geelong star Steve Johnson the previous round.
“We’ll go through the tape, we’ll learn a few things from that and start to employ some of the tactics ourselves,” he said, rejecting suggestions Cotchin’s teammates could have done more to help their skipper.
“They were doing it throughout the night, they were trying to help him. But there’s a point where you ask how much do they help, there’s three guys out there (umpires) that should be protecting the ball player.”
Asked earlier if Macaffer overstepped the line, Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley answered: “Yep. And Cotchin got five free kicks for it.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/umps-coach-hayden-kennedy-says-whistleblowers-can-only-pay-frees-when-theres-a-clear-hold/story-fndv8t7m-1226881756376
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Yep noone gets in the face of the opposition. Noone. We don't grind anyone into dust we just leave a pathway for them to get back into the game.
Noone prepared to push the boundaries or encourage someone to do so.
Every team has a player you love to hate. Except us.
We have players that people laugh at. Vanilla types. Blokes who just simply cruise through the game in exactly the same way whether we are well up or down. Lamentably too many of these types and not enough blokes bucking the trend to show initiative and put the hand up to take responsibility.
We are the politically correct footy club. Non controversial and therefore non relevant.
Everyone gets a prize. The Jack Dyer Medal count will be postponed because all players deserve to win it. It's not about winning its about everyone wanting to play in the centre, FF, Wing etc and everyone plays the same amount of time. Its about participating and fostering happy kids playing footy.
Next week RFC will be playing Aus Kick because blokes like Ty don't want to play under the spotlight and the Aus Kick kids will be playing for us because we want to share the joy. Welcome to the Under 10's or more commonly known as the RFC.
Jake King was that type of agressor but the club told him he was a naughty boy, so he had to join a biker club as to appease that natural agressive instinct that tigeritis sucks the life out of.
Now he plays as soft and as dumb as anyone else in the team even when he is actually playing.
Jackson is typical of this too. Limited as a footballer but naturally an agressor and a supporter of mates. A combatant an instigator and a fighter.
But like many before him, he too will end up a administrators/managers list which is the legacy of the Richmond footy club.
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Maybe not - but if rape is not. Free kick
Why don't we do the same to the opposition strongest player
What happens to cotchin
Mentally weak we don't retaliate. We simply play nice. We don't hunt we get hunted and once the trend of the game is set the pattern does not change unless the opposition change it.
Mentally weak and pea hearted bunch.
Has been hapenning for 30 odd years.
Haven't bashed anyone since the 70's just ask those who gleefully smashed Vin Waite, Nicholls and co at Carlton. Now we are just happy to cop it and move in. The less scrutiny on our deficiencies the better rather than try to improve on our image. Welcome to another cycle of skata.
As crap as he's been, this is why King is still important for now and why he should've played last night against the club he gets most fired up for.
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Not,only does no one get in the opposition face
But our players get cleaned up
And no one retaliates
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Yep we are the vanilla boys.
Never chocolate, never strawberry just vanilla.
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Vanilla with a touch of pink icing
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Some of Macaffer's tagging tactcs illegal, says Cotchin
Ben Guthrie
afl.com.au
April 13, 2014 12:45 PM
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has described some of the tagging tactics used by Collingwood's Brent Macaffer on Friday night as "illegal".
Macaffer earned plaudits for the way he limited Cotchin's impact, keeping the Tigers skipper to just 13 disposals in the Magpies' 38-point victory.
It was Cotchin's lowest possession count since round 16, 2010.
"We know there's been taggers in the game for donkey's years but, just at times, I thought I was being held illegally," Cotchin told Channel 7's Game Day program on Sunday.
"But the reality is there's three umpires out there, they're doing the best they can and the onus is on myself to win the footy and to have my teammates helping me out."
Injured vice-captain Brett Deledio was also on the panel and believed the Tigers needed to do more to help Cotchin against the pressure he faces from the opposition.
"It's something we've been aware of for quite a few years. The hardest thing is you can't really hurt anyone, you've just got to get in the way and maybe wrestle them and get them on the ground, so that Trent can get away and get a few kicks," Deledio said.
"It's just something we've got to be better at as a side to really get our star players into the game."
Macaffer admitted to AFL.com.au on Friday night that his tactics would not win favour with everyone.
"It's difficult. I got pinged for a couple out there that I thought were a bit touch and go, and thought I should've got a couple as well," he said.
AFL senior umpiring coach Hayden Kennedy said Macaffer's "bear trap" did not look good from an aesthetics point of view.
"No, not particularly, and that’s purely from an umpiring perspective," Kennedy told SEN radio on Saturday when asked whether the off-the-ball contact was umpired efficiently on Friday night.
"Umpires are instructed as soon as they see a hold, that’s where the free occurs.
"There has to be a hold."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-13/tag-tactics-illegal-cotchin
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DUSTY DENIED
Herald-Sun
April 21, 2014
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was quick to note after the Tigers’ win against Brisbane that Dustin Martin had six shots at goal “and one taken away from him for a free kick”.
The decision he was referring to came with just 5min left in the game after Martin took what appeared to be a fantastic contested mark at the top of the goalsquare, only to have Jack Riewoldt land on his head and the umpire take the ball off him.
The call was for a hold but it was hard to see anything untoward before the ball arrived.
However, Martin can’t complain too much after he was paid a free after falling to the turf on the boundary line following a gentle push earlier in the final term.
And teammate Troy Chaplin also dodged a bullet after he cannoned into Dayne Zorko’s head in the first quarter only for the umpire to wave play-on.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/round-5-if-you-dont-mind-umpire-check-out-the-weekends-most-contentious-decisions/story-fnelctok-1226890950441
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Was umpire No.29 (Scott Jeffery) the one up at the Geelong forward end?
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From memory Umpire #29 was the one that looked Selwood in his bleeding face from 2m away after he kicked that goal in the last quarter and didnt send him off on the blood rule.
#29 also paid the free against rance for his spoil on Hawkins in the 3rd quarter for "blocking" >:(
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McDonoagh chases the Geelong player grabs him spins him around on the boundary line & the player drops the ball & its play on WTF how many times did them umpires not give us a free
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Umpire 29 is Corrupt :banghead Geelong player clearly holding the Richmond players jumper right in front of him
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Are we shot because of the umpires???
And all this time I thought it was because our team has a bunch of limpwristed softies that keep getting games because the coach had gone soft since he contracted the disease that is tigeritis.
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Umpire 29 is Corrupt :banghead Geelong player clearly holding the Richmond players jumper right in front of him
I think he is due to turn into a fly soon and hopefully fly away.... :whistle
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First quarter and half of the second, the umpiring was suss as almighty stuff, it didn't matter if we tackled them to the ground after they had the ball for five stuffing minutes and they dropped it after the tackle, it was just play on. If we touched the ball and they grabbed us it was a tackle.
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First quarter and half of the second, the umpiring was suss as almighty stuff, it didn't matter if we tackled them to the ground after they had the ball for five stuffing minutes and they dropped it after the tackle, it was just play on. If we touched the ball and they grabbed us it was a tackle.
yep it happened so many times, central umpire over ruled him 2 times
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thing that's always shitted me to tears with the umps is the extra leeway they give to the bigger names in the game. For example, when Bartel shoved Rance to the ground after his clumsy tackle on Selwood, as he was getting up to stand the mark. If that was one of the young blokes or an average run of the mill type, that would have been reversed 100% of the time
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That's right.
Some blokes can get away with more.
Typical dumb stuff mentality of the whole poo fight
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The decision against rance on Hawkins was a bloody disgrace , was a textbook spoil, and against cotch taking the knees out, he was already on the bleedin ground the silly idiot :banghead
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The decision against rance on Hawkins was a bloody disgrace , was a textbook spoil, and against cotch taking the knees out, he was already on the bleedin ground the silly idiot :banghead
The Rance vs Hawkins decision was the worst ive seen in a long long time.
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the greatest indictment on how the umps treat players differently could be seen when the umpire went to selwood and pointed out the blood on his forehead, selwood made a token effort to wipe it, but all that did was smudge it, but still allow him to stay on.
simply amazing.
the selwoods must swallow, for sure
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the greatest indictment on how the umps treat players differently could be seen when the umpire went to selwood and pointed out the blood on his forehead, selwood made a token effort to wipe it, but all that did was smudge it, but still allow him to stay on.
simply amazing.
the selwoods must swallow, for sure
And then the flogs in the media saying how RFC players made a fundamenetal error in not having him taken off.
After he was already inspected by the umpire, FFS we have been getting it raw from them over the years and now have to do their stuffing job
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Its been pretty funny for a few years now but the norr game was a new low ...
The gerkin couldn't even pretend he could bounce the ball
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Really hope our guys have revisited the holding the ball rule this week. I think against North it was the most times I can remember one team pinged continually for holding the ball, I think we only caught them once. Either we are doing something horribly wrong or our interpretation is way different to the umpires. From what I could see some looked almost identical where we were pinged and North were not, very frustrating for the players and supporters.
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Malthouse at least complains about the umpiring. What about Dimwit
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Really hope our guys have revisited the holding the ball rule this week. I think against North it was the most times I can remember one team pinged continually for holding the ball, I think we only caught them once. Either we are doing something horribly wrong or our interpretation is way different to the umpires. From what I could see some looked almost identical where we were pinged and North were not, very frustrating for the players and supporters.
Worst umpiring I've seen in many a year. We were simply robbed. There was one rule for Norf and another for Richmond when it came to holding the ball.
We would get tackled and dragged to the ground and the umps would just wait and wait and wait and then ping us for holding the ball yet when we tackled Norf the ump wouldn't wait at all ! He would immediately blow the whistle and call ' held to him , no prior opportunity '
That was a disgrace !
Also 51 free kicks paid in our game yet only 18 paid in the Coll V Melb game ? How can that be possible ? It's the same rules in both games isn't it ?
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Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
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Couldn't give a stuffing poo about the umpiring, it has absolutely nothing to do with our crap play.
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Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
So I'll ask you then , how can there be 51 free kicks paid in Sunday night's game and then only 18 paid in a game the following day ? We are playing the same game. AFL football.
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I get what your saying. But when football is generally ugly boring and low scoring - an umpire decision to remove and goal which results in a goal the other end - in a game where one side only scores three goals has a significant impact... To use the queens bday game as an example.
In regards to richmond. When we are on a 3/4/5/6 goal momentum raping. And the umps start pulling out strange free kicks / non free kicks / 50s, it might not be the reason for our crap but it does not help
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Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
I can see your point too
But they cannot pretend the rules off the game don't exist (ie. correct disposal) for free flowing reasoning
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I did chuckle a bit when Dustin Martin had a blatant throw :lol
But in the Nth Melb game the umpiring was crap. Don't think it would've saved the game for us but things like Deledio 'conceding' a free kick when he was just retaliating to a behind the play hit. RFC players getting pinged holding the ball when there is no prior opportunity.
The fact that JR got punched in the face and there was no MRP review of the incident pretty much says it all.
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deledio was in effect held, thrown to the ground, and had a free kick awarded against him :clapping
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Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
So I'll ask you then , how can there be 51 free kicks paid in Sunday night's game and then only 18 paid in a game the following day ? We are playing the same game. AFL football.
They follow the rules more duh :help
The fact that JR got punched in the face and there was no MRP review of the incident pretty much says it all.
Thompson got a reprimand so it did get looked at
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Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
So I'll ask you then , how can there be 51 free kicks paid in Sunday night's game and then only 18 paid in a game the following day ? We are playing the same game. AFL football.
They follow the rules more duh :help
The fact that JR got punched in the face and there was no MRP review of the incident pretty much says it all.
Thompson got a reprimand so it did get looked at
Yeah.
No 50 metres
Wtf
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Honestly between the rolling rugby scrum maul and the umpires inconsistency, the whole spectacle of AFL is holding less and less appeal
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Was a non stop stuffen joke the other night, staging by Harvey and then Thompson that was rewarded. Holding decisions 50m off the ball. Holding the ball whilst being pinned to the ground , FMD was like we had one hand tied behind our back all night :banghead
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Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
So I'll ask you then , how can there be 51 free kicks paid in Sunday night's game and then only 18 paid in a game the following day ? We are playing the same game. AFL football.
because were pathetic
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No, the umpires were, I had to peel myself off the ceiling after a few of those decisions , disgraceful :banghead
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Questionaire for the umps tonight.
What's holding the ball? ::)
What's a mark? ::)
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Questionaire for the umps tonight.
What's holding the ball? ::)
What's a mark? ::)
What's out of bounds? ::)
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Watch Hardwick make this an issue to deflect the focus from where it should be.
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Pretty happy we didn't win. Too late fir meaningless wins and it's all about 2015 now
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Pretty happy we didn't win. Too late fir meaningless wins and it's all about 2015 now
we'll win our next 3
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Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
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Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
not allowed to complain about the umps. could get fined
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:whistle
Pretty happy we didn't win. Too late fir meaningless wins and it's all about 2015 now
we'll win our next 3
9th :clapping
Hampson and houli so good we don't really need draft picks
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Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Free kicks.
Rich 18 / Syd 16
They were screwed just as much as us if not worse.
It's not why we lost!
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Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Free kicks.
Rich 18 / Syd 16
They were screwed just as much as us if not worse.
It's not why we lost!
Holding the ball to the man
Umpire watching the ball clearly out of bounds they kick a goal
2 goal directly kicked by the umpires
Deledio mark was clearly & not paid
They have stacks on us & we get pinned but only once they got pinned
clearly this cost us the game as our heads dropped
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I'm so confused with the holding the ball.
Countless incidents per round where a guy gets stacked on and gets pinged. It's awful. Anyone who has played knows it's so easy to lock the ball in and getting it out is bloody tough.
2 shockers were 1 against Miles after having stacks on and the worst was Ellis having ball held to him by McVeigh. Making it worse predicted species Goodes did the same thing 3 mins prior on the wing.
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Umpiring poor tonight
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Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Free kicks.
Rich 18 / Syd 16
They were screwed just as much as us if not worse.
It's not why we lost!
Holding the ball to the man
Umpire watching the ball clearly out of bounds they kick a goal
2 goal directly kicked by the umpires
Deledio mark was clearly & not paid
They have stacks on us & we get pinned but only once they got pinned
clearly this cost us the game as our heads dropped
You sound as delusional as Hardwick.
We lost because we are poo.
We lost because we have too many poo players.
We lost because we are soft as butter.
We lost because we lack on field leaders.
We lost because Hampsud is playing for us.
We lost because Shedwards is still playing for us.
We lost because our culture is poo.
We lost because the coach has no answers except that the umpiring was poo.
Etc etc etc
The umpiring was bad but it was just as bad for them as it was for us.
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Im with you TigerMonk
they did their usual bs of stuffing us over in the second half.
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I went to an AFL game tonight or so I thought
Heading to the Rugby on Sunday arvo well I pretty sure I am
All we get arerolling mauls because these ninkum poops just let it happen
It's ruining the game
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Thank flooding into the degeneration of the game and the standards of umpiring.
3 of 4 Buddy's gols questionable. The free in the last the mark that I touched from my seat in the Olympic in the second.
What about Goodes lame attempt to get rid of the ball with no free yet a minute later Ellis gets pinged when he had no chance to do anything? :help
Don't get me started on the crap that was adjudicated in the last.
Pretty soon AFL matches will be played at AAMI park to coincide with AFL's transition to rugby. :help
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Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Free kicks.
Rich 18 / Syd 16
They were screwed just as much as us if not worse.
It's not why we lost!
Holding the ball to the man
Umpire watching the ball clearly out of bounds they kick a goal
2 goal directly kicked by the umpires
Deledio mark was clearly & not paid
They have stacks on us & we get pinned but only once they got pinned
clearly this cost us the game as our heads dropped
Yeah when Buddy got the handball receive and he was well out of bounds that was ridiculous. I don't think we would've won but it's these umpiring howlers in a close match which make you think our club gets singled out and shafted
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If they ever bring in that rugby union rule regarding players keeping their feet then we're stuffed.
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Even my Richmond hating mates (including a Swans supporter) reckons we got shafted
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Will Shame Newman bag the umpires over this on the footy show like he did when Carlton were crucified?
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I was there and the umps didn't lose it for us......swans were more skilful for longer.......simple....we. Miss easy goals and players can't make distance from 50......we were not good enough for long enough......it's been the story of the year........I just wanna throw the TV remote thru the TV....... :banghead
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Even my Richmond hating mates (including a Swans supporter) reckons we got shafted
No one hates Richmond anymore.
They feel sorry for us that why we're everyone's second team now.
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Even my Richmond hating mates (including a Swans supporter) reckons we got shafted
No one hates Richmond anymore.
They feel sorry for us that why we're everyone's second team now.
Oh sorry didn't know they were your mates ::)
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https://twitter.com/TheTigerArmyAFL
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It's bad enough that the the players stop playing football to drop their dacks, bend over and let the opposition bugger them, but to get arse raped by the maggots as well.........
Most of us would have been taught to roll the player with the ball as you tackle them, but this is no longer necessary.
Not only is it now permissible to drive the player into the ground from behind when tackling, you are more likely to get a holding the ball decision if the ball is pinned under them.
The rules for holding the ball are quite clear, and simple really, yet no one has any real idea of what decision the umpire will make when they blow the whistle, except it probably wont be what it should. One thing for sure though, you are better off to be the tackler rather than the bloke playing the ball. (except for a select few of the protected species), which is not how the game should be played.
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I know the refs are all over the shop but I hate seeing our players laying there making no attempt. They have made it clear they are looking for genuine attempts but we have nuffers who lay there and don't make an effort
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Heard wayne campbell on the radio yesterday and he was asked about the the ellis decision, where the tackler was pinning the ball to him while he had his hands no where near it.
claimed it was a correct decision as Ellis didn't attempt to dispose of the ball :huh
He never explained how you dispose of the ball when you dont actually have hold of it, but did say that if his life had depended on it he would have done more to get the ball free :huh3
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Heard wayne campbell on the radio yesterday and he was asked about the the ellis decision, where the tackler was pinning the ball to him while he had his hands no where near it.
claimed it was a correct decision as Ellis didn't attempt to dispose of the ball :huh
He never explained how you dispose of the ball when you dont actually have hold of it, but did say that if his life had depended on it he would have done more to get the ball free :huh3
Like how Richards did everything he could to get rid of it when he laid on it like a hockey goalie covering a puck in the 4th quarter in our forward 50?
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Heard wayne campbell on the radio yesterday and he was asked about the the ellis decision, where the tackler was pinning the ball to him while he had his hands no where near it.
claimed it was a correct decision as Ellis didn't attempt to dispose of the ball :huh
He never explained how you dispose of the ball when you dont actually have hold of it, but did say that if his life had depended on it he would have done more to get the ball free :huh3
Like how Richards did everything he could to get rid of it when he laid on it like a hockey goalie covering a puck in the 4th quarter in our forward 50?
What I don't understand is say for example with the Ellis decision if he hasn't got his hands on the ball but the opposition player does then isn't it the opposition player's responsibility to get the ball out. I thought they were bringing a rule in whereby players were pinged for pulling the ball back in after a player legitimately tried to get the ball out.
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that was mentioned a few years ago, but i dont think they ever implemented it
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Heard wayne campbell on the radio yesterday and he was asked about the the ellis decision, where the tackler was pinning the ball to him while he had his hands no where near it.
claimed it was a correct decision as Ellis didn't attempt to dispose of the ball :huh
He never explained how you dispose of the ball when you dont actually have hold of it, but did say that if his life had depended on it he would have done more to get the ball free :huh3
Like how Richards did everything he could to get rid of it when he laid on it like a hockey goalie covering a puck in the 4th quarter in our forward 50?
What I don't understand is say for example with the Ellis decision if he hasn't got his hands on the ball but the opposition player does then isn't it the opposition player's responsibility to get the ball out. I thought they were bringing a rule in whereby players were pinged for pulling the ball back in after a player legitimately tried to get the ball out.
To much common sense in your interpretation
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"Umpire boss Wayne Campbell tells @abcgrandstand he agrees with Hardwick. Umpires should've blown whistle quicker with ball ups last night."
"Umpire boss Wayne Campbell concedes on @abcgrandstand umpires are struggling adjudicating the holding the ball decision at times this year."
https://twitter.com/White_Adam
But apart from that the umps are doing great :P ;D.
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Hardwick mentions the thing that least matters about the umps instead of ripping into them about favouring Sydney all night.
Soft bastard with no manballs
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Stuffing disgraceful maggots
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Very timely bump
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This will make Stevic's greatest hits vs Tigers.... :shh
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Been ok for mine.
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Been ok for mine.
Yeah. Theyve been great ::)
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Worst stuffing umpiring ever
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Stevic hates Richmond.
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Farce
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:lol
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Bent over and still won......
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Dont understand holding the ball, they leave the whistle when we get tackled but for the opposition they blow within a couple of seconds.
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I think it is a deliberate thing.
The umpires are clearly operating with an AFL directive to give Richmond a raw deal.
Could possibly have links to JFK's assassination and 9/11. :shh
:stupid
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First three quarters they ruined us and early in the last they raped and pillaged us. Even got the point call on Sloane wrong. They have no feel for the game regardless. The game being adjudicated collectivelly by blokes who are either to scared to make a call or too get it wrong too many times even with the help of video. It is just too farcical.
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Lovely little case of hometown maggoting tonight. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Lovely little case of hometown maggoting tonight. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
This
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Stevic hates Richmond.
This, has smashed us over the years, one time in Sydney I swear he had a bet going, was that ridiculous
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Farce indeed
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i thought they were disgraceful tonight and thats what made tonights effort from the team more meritorious.
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Lovely little case of hometown maggoting tonight. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
I swear half our home games are against interstate teams and they always get away team maggoting. :banghead :banghead
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Something needs to be done
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Stuff they are trying to make it an even game already
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Saints only 2 goals off crap umpiring. Going to need a lot of poo calls to drag them across the line.
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Commentators mentioned Richmond lead the competition in free kicks for. :shh
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Umpiring is all over the shop. You dont know what youre gunna get
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Five goals, zero after five mins or something.
Not In the spirit of the game really is it.
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Commentators mentioned Richmond lead the competition in free kicks for. :shh
Big Milesy!! :clapping
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Commentators mentioned Richmond lead the competition in free kicks for. :shh
Big Milesy!! :clapping
Big Milesy almost got his head taken off and didn't get a free, probably because he played on and didn't fall over screaming ala Big Cox
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Miles doesn't cheat like Joel sell wood
Genuinely tough
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The afl have appointed the following umpires for todays game:-
Stevic (9)
Pannell (28)
Rosebury 8
Stevics decisions have consistently (absolutely) raped us in the past and is the one guy i was hoping we didnt draw before i looked it up. :-[
Pannell also has form from 2013 onwards against us and can get on a bit of a roll with his 'gems'.
To be fair Rosebury IIRC has been ok.
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This kraut just cheats
Pops himself if the crowd says boo
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Stevic (9)
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So how many goals eill Sydney get from frees this time? I'll say about 5 :shh
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Please.
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So how many goals eill Sydney get from frees this time? I'll say about 5 :shh
Watch where they pay frees for Sydney (fwd) compared to us (back/mid)
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He probably asked for this game so he can stop us making the finals. :whistle
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0 suspensions to swans players this year
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I call umpire shenanigans, grease your arses up early boys, will save you the friction burns.
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We've got the best in the business in Rosebury...
Must be an important game ;D
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At least it's not #13 from last week who had no idea :facepalm and wouldn't pay us a free :scream.
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They're living up to my low expectations
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The best was Griffiths having both arms held by a person, each
:bow
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C'mon Chuckie, we've had a dream run with the umps.
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Arse raped by the stuffers
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10 to 1 in the third quarter. Fact
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I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
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I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
Really?
I'm not an umpire basher but I thought they were against us all day.
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I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
Specsavers is waiting for you Monday morning for your appointment Ramps ;D
That was some of the worst umpiring l have seen in the 3rd
:gotigers
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That was rrrrrrrrrubbish umpiring
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10 to 1 in the third quarter. Fact
Absolutely disgusting, we must have gotten five push in the backs that quarter that weren't paid
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It's disgusting how they change the momentum and get no scrutiny. The Swans cheat defensively. Rampe barely got a possession but was in possession all day of a Richmond player. Only one free kick paid against him. He is an ordinary player allowed to cheat because he plays for the Swans. Like Frost for Collingwood.
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After the first 15mins, it was one way traffic - some disgraceful decisions
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I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
Yeah had no major issues with the umpires today/tonight
Yeah they got a few wrong but nothing that impacted on the result of the game
Besides we won does it really matter ;D
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Needs to be an inquiry
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Needs to be an inquiry
Royal stuffing commission I think
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Someone spiked the Vasoline with sand tonight because My Arse is red Raw!!
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I hear ya Loui, its a conspiracy!
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worst was the headlock and throw to the ground "spoil" on cotch i think it was hannebry then the soft chopping of the arms paid inside their fifty a minute later
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yeah how the hell was he allowed to get away with that poo? Does he think he is a friggen jedi, just wave his hand and tell us all we didn't see it?
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Those 10 frees in a row in the 3rd was enough for me. There's a conspiracy
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I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
I didn't. We got dry-fisted imho. And I watched the replay this morning (with a clear but sore head) just to see if it was only emotion that I based it on but they really did give us a shafting. Rowan pushed 2 players in the back to kick one of his goals, Cotchin got decapitated for play-on, Hannebery was pushed in the shoulder as he kicked for another shot and goal, just to name a few. And WTF was with the boundary throw-ins?? They consistently threw it in towards Sydney's end all night, sometimes giving them a 20mt+ leg up!!
And if you get a chance, watch a replay of the Australian Of The Year at his cheating best when he stages a high hit and stays down on the ground as if he got whacked. The replay shows he got a glancing blow across his upper arm but the cheating scum went down like he was shot. Saw a revealing insight to his real character right there.
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I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
And WTF was with the boundary throw-ins?? They consistently threw it in towards Sydney's end all night, sometimes giving them a 20mt+ leg up!!
yes!!!!!! I thought it was a bit extreme most of the night but kind of didn't let it get to me until there was a throw in deadset bang in the middle of the wing and they threw it in TOWARDS sydneys goal when they were kicking to the left of screen(cant recall if it was the 2nd or 4th qtr though
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I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
I didn't. We got dry-fisted imho. And I watched the replay this morning (with a clear but sore head) just to see if it was only emotion that I based it on but they really did give us a shafting. Rowan pushed 2 players in the back to kick one of his goals, Cotchin got decapitated for play-on, Hannebery was pushed in the shoulder as he kicked for another shot and goal, just to name a few. And WTF was with the boundary throw-ins?? They consistently threw it in towards Sydney's end all night, sometimes giving them a 20mt+ leg up!!
And if you get a chance, watch a replay of the Australian Of The Year at his cheating best when he stages a high hit and stays down on the ground as if he got whacked. The replay shows he got a glancing blow across his upper arm but the cheating scum went down like he was shot. Saw a revealing insight to his real character right there.
l noticed this all game, this needs to be looked at & commented by the afl & all footy shows so far have said nothing
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Stevic (9)
Farmer (4)
Mitchell (31)
Not good Stevic consistently tries to umpire us out of games
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Why surely Campbell would know that he purposely kills us
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stuff me
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Ffs
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And I thought I was the only person that thought stevic hated us :huh
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Classic trolling. Love it. :cheers
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And I thought I was the only person that thought stevic hated us :huh
Caro forced her self upon him or something
Vendetta :banghead
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Murdering us again. Stevic 9
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Horseshyte
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I keep hearing "not 15 play on" before the ball has even traveled half the distance. This guy is a knob.
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I keep hearing "not 15 play on" before the ball has even traveled half the distance. This guy is a knob.
Once again thought iwas losing it
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I keep hearing "not 15 play on" before the ball has even traveled half the distance. This guy is a knob.
Exactly
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Wihile the other umpire pays the mark
And the player is like wtf u bastards
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WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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It will be too late and not change anything but someone needs to stick it up the umpires boss and afl stuffing flogs
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WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Shut up. No one is blaming the umpirse for being behind
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The AFL needs to know that Stevic clearly has an issue with Richmond.
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50 again. Give Stevic a stat.
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The AFL needs to know that Stevic clearly has an issue with Richmond.
Stevic has payed 3 x 50s against us in 22 mins of footy
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The AFL needs to know that Stevic clearly has an issue with Richmond.
Stevic has payed 3 x 50s against us in 22 mins of footy
50 every day of the week for the knee and Riewoldt knocking the ball away.
Can't remember the third.
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WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Shut up. No one is blaming the umpirse for being behind
Your obviously not ready the rubbish on this thread them.
Stevic this, Stevic that.
We are playing poo!!!!!!!!
I hadn't seen 1 50 metres that wasn't a 50 meter penalty.
rubbish!!!
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Inb4 another tigeritis thread with a lot of exclamation marks.
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Stevic another free against Houli
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Ordinary on all fronts!
Tigers = F
Umpires = F
Bounces = F
Me = @$%#
My Family = shut the stuff up.................
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Ordinary on all fronts!
Tigers = F
Umpires = F
Bounces = F
Me = @$%#
My Family = shut the stuff up.................
Best post of the day
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WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Tired of blaming our players ffs.... stuffing useless
Shut up. No one is blaming the umpirse for being behind
Your obviously not ready the rubbish on this thread them.
Stevic this, Stevic that.
We are playing poo!!!!!!!!
I hadn't seen 1 50 metres that wasn't a 50 meter penalty.
rubbish!!!
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WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Shut up. No one is blaming the umpirse for being behind
Your obviously not ready the rubbish on this thread them.
Stevic this, Stevic that.
We are playing poo!!!!!!!!
I hadn't seen 1 50 metres that wasn't a 50 meter penalty.
rubbish!!!
Is it possible
The umpires are doing us over
And richmond is shyte
.?
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I AM SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I AM SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your not doing it right, you need to write in bold and add a few of these :banghead
Wrong thread too, you need to be on the angry thread.
......And you missed an exclamation mark!!!!!
:facepalm
Lift your game Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead :banghead
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sorry
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How good will Stevic feel waking up this morning.
On top of the world like Christmas as a kid.
Must have gone to bed peeing himself
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Stevie (9) and Panell (28).
Brisbane have twice the number of frees.
An inconvenient coincidence
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Stevic is a dog
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Now
Bris 22
Rich 10
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Funny how umpires didn't get mentioned last week when the frees went massively our way.
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We were shafted tonight, some calls there way were beyond comprehension as a posed to what they were paying us. They tried to even it up in the last quarter but the damage was done :(
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Classic thread, this always cracks me up
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The umpires should have been strung up for the inconsistency out there , no holding the ball on our hff, no 50 for Jack in the back after a mark , then pays it up the other end 20 min later . There's a name for that :shh and it's called incompetence
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It was a series of dog acts. There's no two ways about it >:(
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Funny how umpires didn't get mentioned last week when the frees went massively our way.
I did at the Dogs game last week. I said to a mate that we are so bad today even these Tiger friendly umps can't get us over the line. Tonight though was Brisbane's way until the even upperners in last quarter. Not the first time for Stevic especially.
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Funny how umpires didn't get mentioned last week when the frees went massively our way.
beat me to it.
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There must be data somewhere which looks at free kicks paid by particular umpires against particular clubs.
Stevic :whistle
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Stevic grew up in the Eastern suburbs and is a Hawthorn supporter. Hates the Tigers
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Honestly
Stevic cheated last night or he is blind
Right in front of us in the forward pocket Griffiths was being held in a headlock basically while trying to take a mark
Stevic was no more than 10 metres away in direct vision
No free
WTF
Crowd went mental
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then the club should contact wayne Campbell and have a dvd ready of stevic's umpiring in our games. Its a disgrace.
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Over the course of the year it all evens up.
We used to get destroyed by Sheehan and Goldspink back in the day.
Always happened in the past always will.
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Honestly
Stevic cheated last night or he is blind
Right in front of us in the forward pocket Griffiths was being held in a headlock basically while trying to take a mark
Stevic was no more than 10 metres away in direct vision
No free
WTF
Crowd went mental
mini me was going off her brain. Some very dodgy decisions
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Mini me is a star Julzqld
You have named her well ;)
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Yes umpiring was not good last night & Cambo needs to look into it.
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For all those who think it's just a whinge fest, I implore you to watch stevic whenever he umpires us, noticed it in our first game against the giants in the wet, he fair dinkum had money riding on that game, never seen a worse display, have watched him ever since and he never fails to deliver.
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For all those who think it's just a whinge fest, I implore you to watch stevic whenever he umpires us, noticed it in our first game against the giants in the wet, he fair dinkum had money riding on that game, never seen a worse display, have watched him ever since and he never fails to deliver.
agree & watching him at the game is even more telling
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I can't recall a Stevic game over the last 4-5 years where he hasn't destroyed us.
Why does this keep happening?
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The Griffiths situation non free in the forward pocket was so bad
As he had full view
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Because Stevic is a Serb.
Ivan's a Cro
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I can't recall a Stevic game over the last 4-5 years where he hasn't destroyed us.
Why does this keep happening?
X 2
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Yeah the umpiring was but who cares
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Which umpires made us lose this week???:sarcasm
:ROTFL
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Which umpires made us lose this week???:sarcasm
:ROTFL
Who said that?
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Which umpires made us lose this week???:sarcasm
:ROTFL
Who said that?
No one but we're in meltdown mode, so please excuse.
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Inconsistent again. It poos me.
Duck the head, one holding the ball one too high. both paid to freo.
9 frees to 5 in the first quarter, freos way
Umpire Mollison (32) killing us in particular
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always gonna get molested in away games I spose
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Did their best to keep them in the game
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Waltersdidnt get the memo about rule change. Neither did the umps.
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It was a stuffing disgrace
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Makes it a better win. got rooted by the umps tonight
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Umpires hate us l'm sure
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Umpires we're woeful.
Walters had them in his pocket. :help
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there were dodgy decisions all night but when an umpire bounces a ball and it goes 10 metres one way and he doesn't call it back its a disgrace. Freo were on the charge and freo nearly got a goal out of it. Just disgraceful.
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so glad we won. I can say not very consistant in thier interpretations thats for sure. maggots
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Disgraceful
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There's no two ways about it.
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ducking - good joke that one
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Rewoldt lays a tackle in the 3 term right in front of the umpire. Perfect tackle swinging the player around & the player slips through his arms while they both go to the ground with Jack landing on top. Clearly he was holding the ball yet the umpire pays too high WTF They go on to kick a umpire goal. If the umpire were to be a little uncertain it was a ball up at most. To me having umpired games over my time in football. It was holding the ball :banghead You can't pay a high tackle when a player applies a tackle & the high contact happened in the motion of the tackle when both players had lost their feet. undecided ball it up but he was the umpire trying hard to get them back in the game. :banghead
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They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
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They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
l couldn't stop laughing as Bomber Thompson was riding on the Tigers. Couldn't take the smile off his face.
He said l love the Tigers & their fans are so passionate l just love them. ;D
Is Bomber a Richmond supporter ?
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Surely Bombers trolling.
Hey I'm curious, we've been fairly lucky with umpiring all year. Does this have anything to do with Stevic having not umpired us for a while?
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They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
It was embarrassing. Dennis making 2 references to Nth Melbourne in the 3rd quarter (we were out scored by 2 goals) and then talking about Grimes being a high draft pick... :huh
Hate to say it but Richo seemed to be waiting for the comeback all game as well. Played in too many losing sides the big fella.
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They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
It was embarrassing. Dennis making 2 references to Nth Melbourne in the 3rd quarter (we were out scored by 2 goals) and then talking about Grimes being a high draft pick... :huh
Hate to say it but Richo seemed to be waiting for the comeback all game as well. Played in too many losing sides the big fella.
To be honest I don't think any of us was comfortable until Vickery slotted the sealer. We are all traumatized by the past unfortunately & in today's game any team can slam on 5 quick goals in just a few minutes so its hard to feel safe even if your up by 30 points.
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They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
This was a shocking last night :banghead unprofessional on all accounts :thumbsdown
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Channel 7s commentators were shocking. Basil Zempilas didn't refrain from being a WA boy. Shocking.
Commetti was just about as bad.
The other 3 spent their time glossing over our good plays whilst smoking Fyfe and friends bats.
When freo got a goal or made play towards the goals, their energy levels went through the roof.
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Channel 7s commentators were shocking. Basil Zempilas didn't refrain from being a WA boy. Shocking.
Commetti was just about as bad.
The other 3 spent their time glossing over our good plays whilst smoking Fyfe and friends bats.
When freo got a goal or made play towards the goals, their energy levels went through the roof.
Hope there were plenty of tissues in the box for Lingy with Fyfe playing...
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It was embarrassing. Dennis making 2 references to Nth Melbourne in the 3rd quarter (we were out scored by 2 goals) and then talking about Grimes being a high draft pick... :huh
Freo kick just there 2nd goal for the 3rd quarter (2 in a row compared to our 1 for the quarter) and Basil can't help himself by say "here they come fremantle" ::) Only closed the gap by 8 points ::)
Oh and LOL Grimes being a high pick
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Players going third-man up at ruck contests has also been hotly-debated, with more teams than ever before using the tactic.
AFL UMPIRES boss Wayne Campbell admitted the controlling umpire made an incorrect decision by paying a free kick to Nic Naitanui – who wasn't deemed the Eagles' ruckman at the contest - in the first quarter when he was blocked from the ball by Troy Chaplin.
"It's an incorrect decision. Troy's allowed to do that. If he was the ruckman, you can't block the run like that," Campbell said.
"But essentially the … second jumper, is just a midfielder so you can stand in front of them."
Hardwick was slightly miffed at the call, but said he wasn't too concerned by players jumping over ruckmen at stoppages.
"I think it's one of those ones the AFL will monitor and see how it goes. But at this stage I think it's pretty well umpired," he said.
"Overall I don't think it has a huge impact on the game."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-20/campbell-admits-confusion-over-headhigh-rule-tweak
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No mention of Rance being penalised for throwing ball too hard at umpire :huh.
VIDEO: http://www.news.com.au/video/id-JocDBydTp6NnADAeDkwt_Sqz7GLGkqmW/Alex-Rance-penalised-for-throwing-ball-too-hard-at-umpire
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...are Matt Stevic, Shane McInerny and Leigh Fisher
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It's fine. Stop making excuses for the team
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Exactly. Team playing like the first half last week. Actually like most weeks
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Worst umpiring all year. Not happy
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Chamberlain was it, absolute shocker, it was as if they were favouring GWS with impugnity
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Not sure why Chamberlain umpired today, he came in as a late replacement. Might have something to do with the game cancelled tomorrow.
In any event, he was poo
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How can u blow for a mark when he drops the ball
Wtf
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Were awful today.
Think umps have been real good this year. Today was a disgrace.
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I am not normally one to criticise the umps as I believe everything free kick wise in every game is in control of the outcomes of the decisions UNTIL TODAY. Discussing and perhaps the worst umpired game I have seen!!!
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Were terrible, however, one of the worst calls of the day (and most critical) went our way with Miles not getting pinged for holding the ball.
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Were terrible, however, one of the worst calls of the day (and most critical) went our way with Miles not getting pinged for holding the ball.
Yep and fair enough too.
They had no idea
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Ray went berserk with those in the back calls on decent sling tackles.
Adding Fisher to the McInerny and Stevic pile. He really didn't want to call anything our way. Ray had to call to call a few our way from half way across he ground.
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I don't normally pot the umpires. They have a job to do and like players they make mistakes.
Don't think they influence results as much as of a lot of others do....
But today the umpires were absolutely disgraceful, pathetic and inept.
There was no consistency in their interpretation of the rules.
It was shocking
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I don't normally pot the umpires. They have a job to do and like players they make mistakes.
Don't think they influence results as much as of a lot of others do....
But today the umpires were absolutely disgraceful, pathetic and inept.
There was no consistency in their interpretation of the rules.
It was shocking
Were they as bad or worse than us today?
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I don't normally pot the umpires. They have a job to do and like players they make mistakes.
Don't think they influence results as much as of a lot of others do....
But today the umpires were absolutely disgraceful, pathetic and inept.
There was no consistency in their interpretation of the rules.
It was shocking
Were they as bad or worse than us today?
On par
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...are Matt Stevic, Shane McInerny and Leigh Fisher
Matt umpired Thursday night
Razor Ray took his spot today
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I don't normally pot the umpires. They have a job to do and like players they make mistakes.
Don't think they influence results as much as of a lot of others do....
But today the umpires were absolutely disgraceful, pathetic and inept.
There was no consistency in their interpretation of the rules.
It was shocking
Were they as bad or worse than us today?
On par
Pretty damn woeful then but woke up in the last 5min. :snidegrin
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I thought we could tackle in this game. Obviously not.
Razor Ray was disgraceful.
Ok for one team, other team just got pillaged.
Couldn't lay a hand on them and we couldn't buy one with anything.
Reminded me of the Freo game in 2012 when Pav kicked 6.
Singlehandedly killed us that day when the free kick count at half time was like 17-3.
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Shane Edwards tackles Shiela perfectly, Shiel tries to get up, collapses back down and gets in the back :scream
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The term "interpretation of the rules" poos me. Rules are not to be interpretated but enforced.
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Disgraceful, stop trying to be part of the show! You're NOT!!!!
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Exactly. Team playing like the first half last week. Actually like most weeks
one doesn't cancel out the other. we were crap, and so were the umps, which just adds to the frustration.
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Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?
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i was too busy laughing at the umpire telling him to move around further with devon trying to point out that he was right against the fence already, and the officious bozo not having a bar of that.
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Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?
I'm pretty sure the rule is that the ball must cross the line before it deemed to be "in play" and as such a player can do what he wants outside the boundary line but can also be tackled if he goes off line. It is a strange rule as the umpire must call play on when he is outside the boundary (to allow a player to tackle him) but it is not "in play" until it crosses the line. I think this has been done not to disadvantage the player who has the free kick as anywhere else on the ground he can move off the line 360 degrees without penalty and just a play on call.
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Thought the umpiring was lousy yesterday, and it continued at TIO last night.
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I don't normallty whinge abt the umps, but yesterday was stuffing pathetic
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Thought the umpiring was lousy yesterday, and it continued at TIO last night.
was also crap friday night. cloke had two shots on goal at a crucial stage where he gave away blatant frees
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Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?
I'm pretty sure the rule is that the ball must cross the line before it deemed to be "in play" and as such a player can do what he wants outside the boundary line but can also be tackled if he goes off line. It is a strange rule as the umpire must call play on when he is outside the boundary (to allow a player to tackle him) but it is not "in play" until it crosses the line. I think this has been done not to disadvantage the player who has the free kick as anywhere else on the ground he can move off the line 360 degrees without penalty and just a play on call.
It's the AFL's strangest rule that play on can be called whist someone is out of bounds. At what point is it boundary throw in? As soon as the opposition player makes contact?
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Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?
Yeah, that was bullcrap too I thought
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Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?
I'm pretty sure the rule is that the ball must cross the line before it deemed to be "in play" and as such a player can do what he wants outside the boundary line but can also be tackled if he goes off line. It is a strange rule as the umpire must call play on when he is outside the boundary (to allow a player to tackle him) but it is not "in play" until it crosses the line. I think this has been done not to disadvantage the player who has the free kick as anywhere else on the ground he can move off the line 360 degrees without penalty and just a play on call.
It's the AFL's strangest rule that play on can be called whist someone is out of bounds. At what point is it boundary throw in? As soon as the opposition player makes contact?
As soon as he is tackled if he is still over the line.
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You can not 'play on'
If one is not in the field of play
Think about it
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I don't see why you are blaming the ump when one of our players should of been standing there not allowing him to do it in the first place :banghead :banghead
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You can not 'play on'
If one is not in the field of play
Think about it
I think about it too much. It is absolutely bizarre. Does the player out of bounds have to run in a direct line into the field of play once he is called to play on? If he takes an indirect line into the field of play to avoid the player on the mark is he then not out of bounds? If the player just stands still out of bounds after being called to play on would the opposition player just go up and "tag" them or would he lay a tackle?
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You can not 'play on'
If one is not in the field of play
Think about it
I think about it too much. It is absolutely bizarre. Does the player out of bounds have to run in a direct line into the field of play once he is called to play on? If he takes an indirect line into the field of play to avoid the player on the mark is he then not out of bounds? If the player just stands still out of bounds after being called to play on would the opposition player just go up and "tag" them or would he lay a tackle?
It has never sat well with me.
The laws of the game state the game is played inside the white line in an oval shape.
I can understand kicking for goal from behind the boundary, if you walk straight at the guy on the mark
But one should not be allowed to play on from outside the field of play. Should be a automatic throw in, if guy goes off mark, whilst outside the playing surface
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You can not 'play on'
If one is not in the field of play
Think about it
I think about it too much. It is absolutely bizarre. Does the player out of bounds have to run in a direct line into the field of play once he is called to play on? If he takes an indirect line into the field of play to avoid the player on the mark is he then not out of bounds? If the player just stands still out of bounds after being called to play on would the opposition player just go up and "tag" them or would he lay a tackle?
It has never sat well with me.
The laws of the game state the game is played inside the white line in an oval shape.
I can understand kicking for goal from behind the boundary, if you walk straight at the guy on the mark
But one should not be allowed to play on from outside the field of play. Should be a automatic throw in, if guy goes off mark, whilst outside the playing surface
Agree. The only way it makes sense.
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Ray went berserk with those in the back calls on decent sling tain lower les.
Adding Fisher to the McInerny and Stevic pile. He really didn't want to call anything our way. Ray had to call to call a few our way from half way across he ground.
With all the who ha over the sling tackle, I don't see how you can stop it
Its a contact sport so people will get head injury / die, if you play enough games. Monkeys typewriters and Shakespeare. as they have done in lower levels
As sad as it is
The very act of pinning the arms, will mean its hard for the guy with the ball to protect himself and occasionally will not be able stop his head smacking the turf. The tackler is instructed to PIN the arms to such and extent, very strong people can't handball. Or thanks to Joel selwood, people now try and mame the tackle to towards the head for a free kick. Making it even tougher (IMHO)
The very act of pinning the arms, the correct and coached form of tackling means its enviable. A proper tackle, for example the opposite of Tyrone Vickery efforts
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yet the chicken wing tackle is the one most likely to get the tackler a free.
will be interesting to see the AFL's reaction when we get a dislocation because of one.
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Thomas was out for the season - for appealing for a free instead f protecting himself from the turf
in the first five mins f the year. dumbass
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Dooks my man, who are we dealing with today? Didn't grab a record on the way in
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Dooks my man, who are we dealing with today? Didn't grab a record on the way in
Am on it Big Man....watch for the new thread
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We got a good one today with Kreuzers non mark/Valstuins defensive blunder/mark in front. You win some you lose some with the umps.
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We got a good one today with Kreuzers non mark/Valstuins defensive blunder/mark in front. You win some you lose some with the umps.
Yeah, wtf was going on there lol
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How many freakin' marks were paid that were held for about .3 of a second!!
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30 frees to us, 25 to them. 55 stuffing free kicks. In comparison there were only 15 last night. Over officiated junk.
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30 frees to us, 25 to them. 55 stuffing free kicks. In comparison there were only 15 last night. Over officiated junk.
x 2. Shocking effort from them last night and I think we might have scored the rub of the green for a change.
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30 frees to us, 25 to them. 55 stuffing free kicks. In comparison there were only 15 last night. Over officiated junk.
x 2. Shocking effort from them last night and I think we might have scored the rub of the green for a change.
A fair chunk went our way, but chatting to neutral and Carlton family members after the game and comparing the free kick counts from the night before, we accepted that the whistle was probably blown nearly 40 times unnecessarily and both sides would have got a fair chunk of soft frees. That denied Kreuzer mark was a howler though. No two ways about it.
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Mark, or play on? AFL umpires coach admits mistakes were made in Tigers-Blues clash
Nat Edwards
afl.com.au
July 14, 2015
THE AFL concedes its umpires were a little trigger-happy when awarding marks during Friday night's Richmond-Carlton game.
One of the most obvious cases came in the third term, when a fumbled mark was paid to Richmond forward Ty Vickery.
On Tuesday, AFL umpires coach Hayden Kennedy admitted the officiating umpire blew the whistle too early.
"Obviously with Vickery, there were a couple of marks where we went too early," Kennedy told AFL.com.au.
"But once again, I'll reiterate whatever the guys see, if they think it's a free kick, they'll just blow the whistle."
However, Kennedy conceded a mark should have been paid to Carlton ruckman Matthew Kreuzer in the third term.
The Blues big man took a grab over the top of Nick Vlastuin in Carlton's attacking 50, but the Tiger was awarded the mark instead.
Kennedy said umpire Troy Pannell was in the correct position but just made a mistake.
"Matty takes a clean grab of it first, he controls it," Kennedy said.
"Nick brings the ball down with him but I think from the vision on the night, it needed to be a paid mark to Matthew Kreuzer.
"In two hours of footy, we make incorrect decisions at times, and this is just one of them. It seems as though our umpire was in pretty good position but just read it wrong."
There was also a huge discrepancy in the free kick counts between Thursday night's Port Adelaide-Collingwood game and the clash between Richmond and Carlton.
Just 17 free kicks were paid at Adelaide Oval on Thursday, while 57 were awarded at the MCG the following night.
Kennedy said he had no problem with standard of umpiring across the weekend and rejected suggestions the umpires were directed to pay more free kicks on Friday night after a low number in the previous game.
"We can only umpire what's in front of us," Kennedy said.
"There was a lot of chatter this week in the difference in the numbers. But if you have a look at those 57 free kicks, there's not many of them that are actually incorrect.
"It's just a different style of game. We can go from one game in Cairns where there's 12 ball-ups, and I go to Brisbane the next day and there's 39 ball-ups and free kick numbers are quite similar, so it's just a different style of game."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-14/when-is-a-mark-not-a-mark-afl-umpires-coach-admits-mistakes-were-made-in-tigersblues-clash
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Kennedy is wrong. Last Fri was a perfect example, if the umpy pays a couple of soft in the backs early in the game, the mids pick up on it immediately and it is congestion city as small mids jump on the ball hoping for an in the back.
The umpires have played a part in contributing to this congested rugby scrum of a game at the moment with their over-umpiring.
The umps are more upfront these days and own up to their mistakes, and good on them. But if you really want to be honest with yourself, even if not with us, those umpires ruined last Friday night's game. They got sucked into every little trick in the book and stupidly paid frees for them. I shouldn't complain because it went our way, but they contributed to the awful spectacle that the match became.
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Love how they mention the ones in our favour. What about Kruzers "mark" that was held for a shorter time than Vickerys
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Why are really badly skilled games always badly umpired?
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Why are really badly skilled games always badly umpired?
Because the 5h1te umpiring brings down the standard of the game?
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26 frees to 17. We were shafted!
No surprise in the week sheep dog leaves and Luke ball bag takes over
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you can't blame the umps when we gave away a 3 goal lead with 3 mins to go.
Where was the flood with 25seconds to go?
Where were our tall guys when moore kicked it to the top of the square?
What cost us was a lack of leadership in the last 90 seconds.
Fact is we let that game go because panic set in and we ran out of toilet paper.
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you can't blame the umps when we gave away a 3 goal lead with 3 mins to go.
Where was the flood with 25seconds to go?
Where were our tall guys when moore kicked it to the top of the square?
What cost us was a lack of leadership in the last 90 seconds.
Fact is we let that game go because panic set in and we ran out of toilet paper.
and the coach must be responsible for this.....if he can't teach his players this then they are not playing for him......time to go........poooo.....I forgot he has another 2 years......you idiots..... :banghead :banghead
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How stuffing annoying was the "East to West" stuff they kept saying. Towards the last quarter I felt like I had to decide between West Gate Bridge or Eastlink
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cheating bastards
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Umpiring was bad both ways at times
We lost the game & we are to blame no-one else.
All our players fly for the mark instead of going the huge punch.
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Umpiring was bad both ways at times
We lost the game & we are to blame no-one else.
All our players fly for the mark instead of going the huge punch.
^^^ agree
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Yep saw just as many puzzling ones go our way. They did not cost us the game, was deliberate
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If we'd kicked straight, the umpiring wouldn't have even come into it....
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If we'd kicked straight, the umpiring wouldn't have even come into it....
exactly right we missed some very straight forward goals. We also gave away 80- metres approx of backward football & gifted them a goal. Anyone who ever played backwards football in my team was outed & never played again ;D.
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sometimes other teams play bad a still win
cause the umpires are not cheating
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Only halfwits, kids & Collingwood supporters blame umpires for defeats....
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Sliding rule is a tough one to apply
Paddy McCartin unfortunately broke his collarbone sliding into Richmond's Nick Vlastuin who kept his feet as he approached the loose ball. McCartin received the free kick but Vlastuin was entitled to feel aggrieved at the decision. He had done the right thing by keeping his feet as the 94kg McCartin slid into him, but received a free kick against. Although tough to apply in the moment, it's a good rule that umpires need to be fierce on next season as Vlastuin was lucky not to be hurt.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda
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Sliding rule is a tough one to apply
Paddy McCartin unfortunately broke his collarbone sliding into Richmond's Nick Vlastuin who kept his feet as he approached the loose ball. McCartin received the free kick but Vlastuin was entitled to feel aggrieved at the decision. He had done the right thing by keeping his feet as the 94kg McCartin slid into him, but received a free kick against. Although tough to apply in the moment, it's a good rule that umpires need to be fierce on next season as Vlastuin was lucky not to be hurt.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda
Difficult? That was as clear cut a decision as I've ever seen. A howler of a decision.
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Sliding rule is a tough one to apply
Paddy McCartin unfortunately broke his collarbone sliding into Richmond's Nick Vlastuin who kept his feet as he approached the loose ball. McCartin received the free kick but Vlastuin was entitled to feel aggrieved at the decision. He had done the right thing by keeping his feet as the 94kg McCartin slid into him, but received a free kick against. Although tough to apply in the moment, it's a good rule that umpires need to be fierce on next season as Vlastuin was lucky not to be hurt.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda
Difficult? That was as clear cut a decision as I've ever seen. A howler of a decision.
Yep it should have been a free to Vlastuin
I dont agree with the sliding in rule but it's now there and as such it should be applied, there is no grey here.
Disgraceful decision
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The sport sucks.
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Absolute joke
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Sliding rule is a tough one to apply
Paddy McCartin unfortunately broke his collarbone sliding into Richmond's Nick Vlastuin who kept his feet as he approached the loose ball. McCartin received the free kick but Vlastuin was entitled to feel aggrieved at the decision. He had done the right thing by keeping his feet as the 94kg McCartin slid into him, but received a free kick against. Although tough to apply in the moment, it's a good rule that umpires need to be fierce on next season as Vlastuin was lucky not to be hurt.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda
Difficult? That was as clear cut a decision as I've ever seen. A howler of a decision.
Yep it should have been a free to Vlastuin
I dont agree with the sliding in rule but it's now there and as such it should be applied, there is no grey here.
Disgraceful decision
Stevic - 'nuff said....
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New umpire on the AFL list this year. Can confirm he's a Richmond supporter (or fan...not sure)
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Jake King... :clapping
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Mick Molloy.
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My post was genuine, stop taking the mickey >:( >:(
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Umpires: DeBoy, Schmitt, Kamolins
Enjoy umpiring in the bush leagues next week, fellas. You turned the "advantage" rule into a farce.
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3 blind mice
3 blind mice
One was paid by Eddie
One was paid by Bucks and
The last one loves Joffa and big c&$k
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Swings & roundabouts - Collingwood might've got the rub of the green from the umpires for most of the match but to be fair they gave us a couple of handy square ups late when it really mattered - Astbury got away with murder against Moore....Cotchin's high tackle on Treloar.......
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Not their finest evening :rollin
But it isn't how many you get but where you get 'em ;D
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To me the HTB and DTB interpretations by the umps changes every week. Obviously as a Tigers supporter I have a one eyed view but really it does seem that we have to make the perfect tackle to have any chance of getting a free whereas the opposition just seem to touch our guys and the ball spills and it's a free every time.
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Umpires: DeBoy, Schmitt, Kamolins
Enjoy umpiring in the bush leagues next week, fellas. You turned the "advantage" rule into a farce.
Exactly. What a farce.
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Umpiring offset their bad kicking for goal
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Treloar should make the shift to rugby as well, he throws those passes like Mal Meninga, umps didn't seem to mind a bit.
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To me the HTB and DTB interpretations by the umps changes every week. Obviously as a Tigers supporter I have a one eyed view but really it does seem that we have to make the perfect tackle to have any chance of getting a free whereas the opposition just seem to touch our guys and the ball spills and it's a free every time.
I thought they did OK last night. There were a couple that did my head in, but generally they got it right.
I think a lot of people don't actually understand how these rules are meant to work.
My understanding is;
First of all, you have to have had prior opportunity, this is the contentious part, but as a general rule if the player with the ball takes 3 steps, they will be deemed to have prior. If they duck their head, keep low and charge head first, attempt a fend off, take possession out of the ruck or while on the ground, or play on from a free kick or mark they have had prior opportunity.
The player with the ball, must still make a legitimate attempt to dispose of the ball correctly though. A one handed handpass will be illegal disposal every time, regardless.
Although they are not instructed to, umpires will give more leeway to a player attempting to kick the ball rather than handpass. A handpass must be a clear definitive handball, yet the ball has to only brush the boot to be a kick.
There are some strange inconstancies though. If the ball is knocked out in the tackle or the player attempts to kick it but misses, with no prior, it is play on, yet if the ball touches the ground while in possession and being tackled it is dropping the ball as it is regarded as bouncing the ball.
If the player drop kicks while tackled it is dropping the ball
Also, if a team mates takes the ball from the players possession while he is tackled it is illegal disposal.
Many people seem to want the rules interpreted in a way that would actively discourage players from taking possession in a contested situation, which goes against everything the game is about.
The worst decision last night was when cotchin layed a high tackle and got the free kick. It was pretty sweet an nearly made up for crucifying us with the advantage rule, where they were way to quick to call play on.
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That little fat umpire had a absolute shocker but he has been the worse in the league for years...
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Pendlebury had a sook on 3aw about the umpiring last night :nopity :lol.
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Tiger exploits ruck rule, Pendles not happy
Marc McGowan
afl.com.au
March 31, 2017
THE AFL's much-discussed 'third man up' rule is set to be debated again after Richmond midfielder Shaun Grigg successfully introduced a potential new tactic.
Grigg sneakily won a free kick and slotted a crucial goal with the tactic midway through the fourth quarter of Thursday night's 19-point win over Collingwood.
The AFL banned the 'third man up' in ruck contests in the off-season after it became a popular approach among clubs last year to curb dominant big men.
One player at each club must nominate before every ruck contest and the rule already caused some confusion in round one.
The umpire paid a free kick against Grigg's bemused Magpie opponent Brayden Maynard for "blocking" and explained the Tiger had nominated himself for the ruck.
Collingwood big man Jesse White was in the vicinity and expecting to contest the boundary throw-in.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick had no doubt Grigg was seeking a free kick.
Grigg, who is 190cm, kicked a 50m goal courtesy of the free kick, extending Richmond's lead to 20 points at a key stage with the Pies pressing.
"Collingwood has to be onto that. Grigg's taken the last three boundary throw-ins," Richmond great Matthew Richardson said in Channel Seven commentary.
Magpies skipper Scott Pendlebury told 3AW post-match he was concerned about the Tiger tactic.
"I don't think we want to get the game looking like that," Pendlebury said.
"All sides will see that tonight and think they can take advantage of that. Every side will think, 'Gee, we might be able to steal one if we can do this'. It might happen."
Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said the Grigg goal was "costly" and Maynard would have learned a harsh lesson about being aware.
"Brayden is a young player (and) he's still learning. At the very least he should be watching the ball," Buckley said.
"You shouldn't have your back to the ball and maybe that would have been enough."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-31/tiger-exploits-ruck-rule-pendles-not-happy
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, which I hardly ever am, but if you aren't facing the ball it doesn't matter if your a ruckman, a forward, a midfield, the umpire, or the waterboy it is still blocking the man. You have to actually be looking at the ball
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correct.
Definately a planned move, nank was the first bloke appealing for the free when it happened.
It was a smart move to have someone besides the ruckman nominate.
Other sides will copy the tactic and it should reduce blocking tactics, which can only be a good thing.
There was also one occasion occasion where no collingwood player nominated and you could hear the umpire telling them that no one could contest.
Maybe Hardwick isnt the dumbest coach in the league :lol
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After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
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After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
Going by Hardwick's presser, if was on field decision
Grigg became the 2nd ruckman option when Griffiths went off, so Grigg made the call
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correct.
So the issue isn't he was the nominated ruck, it was that the Collingwood player was blocking another player. Nothing to do with the new rules.
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I think the issue is they were outsmarted by us playing the rules.(as opposed to playing to the rules)
After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
you missed the point.
Collingwood were outsmarted on that one, and were not clued onto having to nominate a ruckman on another occasion.
Isnt that a reflection on their coaching?
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It was Griggs decision. Not the best footballer or kick but kudos to him. Must have a bit vpbetween the ears (along with Nank)
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I think the issue is they were outsmarted by us playing the rules.(as opposed to playing to the rules)
After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
you missed the point.
Collingwood were outsmarted on that one, and were not clued onto having to nominate a ruckman on another occasion.
Isnt that a reflection on their coaching?
History with this team suggests otherwise.
Taking into consideration all that I've seen over the last seven years, ie. the worst 90 seconds ever seen & the worst 3 minutes ever played.
Then I put it down to a fluke of circumstances & the Collingwood players were just too stupid to realise that our second ruck was injured.
It doesn't mean Hardwick was the mastermind.
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Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?
Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. 23-8 and worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media
Edit - just found this right on cue
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/st-kilda/st-kilda-fans-slam-free-kick-count-as-wayward-saints-fall-to-west-coast/news-story/293b911d20f1a63fb5e141e1d4f1fb6c
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Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?
Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. Worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media
Plenty of talk about it on Twitter and by alot of journos who are on twitter
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Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
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Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?
Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. Worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media
Plenty of talk about it on Twitter and by alot of journos who are on twitter
The afl need to be careful when the umpiring gets so strangely lopsided. It opens up the perception of genuine funny business going on.
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Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
Their interpretation of the advantage rule cost us. Interpretations of holding the ball and arm chopping/spoiling as well as throwing/handballing also cost us.
Well that was my take. A poor night out for the umps.
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The umpiring is always completely biased Perth. The crowd gets to the umps over there.
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Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
Agree...and its seems like we are every week :thumbsdown
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The umpiring is always completely biased Perth. The crowd gets to the umps over there.
True but believe me this was next level poot! And thats coming from a neutral supporter.
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Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
Agree...and its seems like we are every week :thumbsdown
I reckon nab cup we overall had the rub of decisions. Carlton wasnt too bad. Thursday night though made up for it. Just shocking. >:(
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The umpiring is always completely biased Perth. The crowd gets to the umps over there.
True but believe me this was next level poot! And thats coming from a neutral supporter.
Yep, sounded pretty bad.
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Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
Agree...and its seems like we are every week :thumbsdown
I reckon nab cup we overall had the rub of decisions. Carlton wasnt too bad. Thursday night though made up for it. Just shocking. >:(
Numbers dont tell the whole story but Carlton 25 Tigers 12 in round 1 was not acceptable at all :banghead
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Yeah but 3x the free kicks in a game with an even amount of contested ball doesn't make sense to me :huh
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Did anyone see the west coast/saints match? Massive home team support for that game.
I wonder if they'll get a talking too and we see some overcompensating this Saturday.
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Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?
Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. 23-8 and worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media
Edit - just found this right on cue
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/st-kilda/st-kilda-fans-slam-free-kick-count-as-wayward-saints-fall-to-west-coast/news-story/293b911d20f1a63fb5e141e1d4f1fb6c
Sorry mate. Just read this.
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Saints got rogered with a sandy stick but so did we. Difference is we won. Surely they look at these games and ask wtf is going on.
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The holding the ball decisions on Thursday night were disgraceful. I'm happy when our guys take the game on and I know that means we will get a few against us at stages but Collingwood just seemed to get away with it.
It was like there was 2 different rules. I'm not an umpire hater but it was noticeable to me the other night.
Umpiring in Round 1 was ok imo.
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Have to say that tinkering with rules during the season is a deadset farce. The prior opportunity interpretation has changed 360° in 3 weeks, confusing both players and supporters alike, very frustrating.
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It was a repeat of last week. We got right royally shafted in the first half before the umps started evening up the free count. We still finished 21-27 down but that was better than 5-14 at half-time.
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Farcical
Simply farcical
Terrific, just terrific TM
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Bewildering, and threatened to make the game unwatchable.
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We got some cheap square ups in the second half to make it look better but that first half was pathetic. I thought my old man was going to get up and walk out.
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The first half was an absolute disgrace. The inconsistency around holding the ball/ball up/too high was a farce. Not to mention West coast players blatantly holding on during the contest.
At one stage in the second quarter my normally placid Brother in law turned to me and said "chairs are going to get ripped out here and end up on the field if this keeps going." He wasn't wrong as our supporters were as furious as I've seen them.
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Never been one to blame umpires but I've really noticed it this year.....AFL doesn't help their cause though with the conatant rule changes...must do theie heads in.....also need to stop making celebrities out of certain umpires like "Rayzor" Ray Chamberlain....they need to realise that the only people who ever go to the football to watch the umpires are their families...
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Think they are part of the show, can't stand them. They must be very sad people!
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Spot the team getting the rough end of the stick from the umps so far this season ....
Free kick differential for the first 3 rounds
West Coast +5.7
Carlton +4.3
Gold Coast +4.3
W.Bulldogs +4.3
North Melb. +2.6
Coll'wood +2.3
Port Adel. +2.0
Melbourne +0.7
Hawthorn +0.6
Fremantle +0.3
Brisbane 0.0
GWS -1.4
Essendon -0.4
Geelong -3.0
St Kilda -4.3
Sydney -4.4
Adelaide -6.0
Richmond -7.3
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We are averaging 18 frees for (3rd worst) and 25.3 frees against (the worst).
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_team_rankings?type=TA&year=2017&sby=9
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Thanks for those figures, I thought I may have been being a bigotted OERite so that relaxes me a fraction.
With those differentials, especially against the teams we have played so far who all have positives...quite impressive methinks.
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In the umpires defence; maybe they just aren't used to seeing a Richmond side going in hard & actually tackling....
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:lol
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I think the issue is they were outsmarted by us playing the rules.(as opposed to playing to the rules)
After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
you missed the point.
Collingwood were outsmarted on that one, and were not clued onto having to nominate a ruckman on another occasion.
Isnt that a reflection on their coaching?
History with this team suggests otherwise.
Taking into consideration all that I've seen over the last seven years, ie. the worst 90 seconds ever seen & the worst 3 minutes ever played.
Then I put it down to a fluke of circumstances & the Collingwood players were just too stupid to realise that our second ruck was injured.
It doesn't mean Hardwick was the mastermind.
I was hanging poo on Bucklys's coaching ability, not pumping up hardwick you dumb stuffer
::)
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:lol
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Have to say the umpiring VS WCE was disgraceful.
Why the F don't they crack down on tossers like Shuey ducking their heads? I just wanna see him get knocked out so that they decide to pay frees against people who do that garbage...
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Interesting to note that the top 3 teams are in the bottom 5 for differentials.
Maybe St.Kilda the outlier as they played WC and got the usual -6 type treatment.
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How was that tackle on Dayne Beams "holding the man"
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How was that tackle on Dayne Beams "holding the man"
How was Martin Street, tackle on McInto :huh3sh when he wasn't in possession not holding the man :facepalm
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Not good umpiring. Again >:(
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Stuff me how come when they are tackled and drop the ball it's play on but it's an auto free to them when we do it
Also is there a new rule that holding the ball from a head high tackle is paid as holding the ball
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Umpires hate Richmond and the feeling is mutual. Oxygen thief Stevic is chief amongst them
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Bring your own lube to Tigers games these days. These guys love to bend us Tigers over
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I think those umps might of got a rocket up the cake hole because the umpiring improved a bit..
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First free kick count we have won for the year, only took 5 rounds.
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5 and a half, I think the rocket came after half time
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Yes lets blame the umps.
We have been garbage for ages but had the umps given us a fair go over the journey maybe just
maybe we may have had a few more first week final exits.
That's what it is. Clearly I thought we were crap.
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Umpiring was terrible.
All of Hogan's goals came cheaply, except maybe that soccer off the ground because Astbury was clearly unsure of how to play the ball. Yes he knocked it over deliberately but in wet conditions what was he supposed to be 2-3m out from the goals? Turn around and assess the pressure situation?
And Jack being basically tackled by Melksham in the last quarter was simply illegal. It was nothing like a legal shepherd at all....
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Yes lets blame the umps.
We have been garbage for ages but had the umps given us a fair go over the journey maybe just
maybe we may have had a few more first week final exits.
That's what it is. Clearly I thought we were crap.
We are blaming the umpires, keep up ffs.
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Umpiring shockers cost Tigers
We call out the players for blatant errors, and the umpires made a couple of their own – one in particular – in the opening quarter. It's a tough gig, being an umpire, but positioning was not necessarily a strength across the weekend. Levi Casboult somehow got away with shoving Richmond full-back David Astbury with both hands into the back before marking. The Blues scored a goal out of the play via Dale Thomas. Moments later down the other end, Jack Riewoldt received a free kick, but teammate Daniel Rioli eagerly gobbled up possession and delivered a centring pass straight to a Carlton defender. The umpire awarded advantage, to the Tigers' disadvantage. Examples like that are surely not what the rule was designed for.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-25/five-talking-points-richmond-v-carlton
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Thought the Rioli no mark in the last was interesting. How many marks of the year have involved some force into the back of an opponent. How the hell isn't that a mark yet they paid the mark after a blatant push in the back by Casboult on Astbury, dumbfouding to say the least.
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Thought the Rioli no mark in the last was interesting. How many marks of the year have involved some force into the back of an opponent. How the hell isn't that a mark yet they paid the mark after a blatant push in the back by Casboult on Astbury, dumbfouding to say the least.
Gresham did the exact same thing in the Saints-Suns game tonight and it was paid a mark.
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Thought the Rioli no mark in the last was interesting. How many marks of the year have involved some force into the back of an opponent. How the hell isn't that a mark yet they paid the mark after a blatant push in the back by Casboult on Astbury, dumbfouding to say the least.
One decision has nothing to do with the other.
Rioli's as much as it looked fantastic was clearly hands in the back.
The Casboult one was horrendous.
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Once again we got shafted
Thanks Stevic you stuffing stuffwit
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The Casboult one was horrendous.
You're being far too kind
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Thought the Rioli no mark in the last was interesting. How many marks of the year have involved some force into the back of an opponent. How the hell isn't that a mark yet they paid the mark after a blatant push in the back by Casboult on Astbury, dumbfouding to say the least.
One decision has nothing to do with the other.
Rioli's as much as it looked fantastic was clearly hands in the back.
The Casboult one was horrendous.
Disagree. Rioli's has always been paid despite the "hands in the back" rule. The sheer plethora of instances is over-whelming.
Did anyone feel that the Carlton free in our pocket 30 seconds prior to Casboults howler was an absolute charity free kick (being 2 stinkers in 30 seconds directly giving them a goal).
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Dougey is correct, if you take the mark, they pay the mark. I always wondered about it, but it has been that way for donkeys years. If he pushed him forward so he could mark, then fair enough but he took it over his head...
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Dougey is correct, if you take the mark, they pay the mark. I always wondered about it, but it has been that way for donkeys years. If he pushed him forward so he could mark, then fair enough but he took it over his head...
:lol
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Stuff I hate these stuffers
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Never seen such a one sided biased umpired game
Disgraceful
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it was awesome lol
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Some may say up to their usual standard this year :whistle.
The umpiring was a joke tonight. Back to the level of the 'Deboy' games of the first half of the season.
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Some may say up to their usual standard this year :whistle.
The umpiring was a joke tonight. Back to the level of the 'Deboy' games of the first half of the season.
Agree :thumbsup
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Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clapping
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Shocking officiating tonight. What a joke
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Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clapping
lol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
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Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clapping
lol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
He may have over compensated a tad
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Umpire #26 was atrocious
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Umpire #26 was atrocious
Craig Fleer from SA.
http://www.afl.com.au/umpires/profiles
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Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clapping
lol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
He may have over compensated a tad
Dw fellas I'll give him all of your feedback
Would be interesting to see how many he paid compared to the others
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Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clapping
lol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
He may have over compensated a tad
Dw fellas I'll give him all of your feedback
Will you now? Ill PM you some Urban Dictionary links shortly....
Cheers
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Could do if you ask nicely
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Could do if you ask nicely
Please?
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Could do if you ask nicely
Please?
And the rest :-* :-*
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We are a statistical anomaly. What a disgrace:
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/round-19-afl-free-kick-differential-ladder
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I knew it wasn't my imagination
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Don't want to make exuses but we a getting killed by these maggots everyweek.Today was shocking how many times holding the ball or dropping it. :banghead
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Dudwick will say they did a good job. Meanwhile they are peeing themselves laughing at us
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Dudwick will say they did a good job. Meanwhile they are peeing themselves laughing at us
Problem is if the coach comes out and even has a subtle dig at the umpiring like "we got back in the game after half-time when it was 22 on 22", he'll cop an automatic $50k fine and a please explain from the AFL which will force him to apologise. You can't win. Obviously, going through "official channels" doesn't work either. That first half of umpiring especially was a joke.
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yep thats why we lost, the umpiring.
lmfao.
we lost because we arent that great when it really counts.
first final locked in agaisnt the crows, loss and then a cut throat final after that. The pressure is going to be huge and this club proved today they still cant mix it with the big boys, hence why im predicting 0 finals wins for dimwit come GF day.
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That second quarter killed the game though. Jack was getting held and driven into the ground every time it went into our forward line, our tackles were never rewarded while every single thing was picked out in their forward 50. What about that rubbish push out in the second I think to Menzel to name just one? Wasn't even there. Should ask Short what he thought of Mackie's rushed behind too. These are goals denied from us and gifted to the opposition. No matter how well you play you can't control those things. The club needs to ask wtf is going on because it's every stuffing week.
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yep thats why we lost, the umpiring.
lmfao.
we lost because we arent that great when it really counts.
first final locked in agaisnt the crows, loss and then a cut throat final after that. The pressure is going to be huge and this club proved today they still cant mix it with the big boys, hence why im predicting 0 finals wins for dimwit come GF day.
A 7 - 20 free kick count against plus missed holds and pushes in the back against Jack in front of the sticks in the second qtr, was a joke. It doesn't excuse our stuff ups but we got right royally screwed especially in the first half. Umps got sucked in by the feral Geelong home crowd.
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That second quarter killed the game though. Jack was getting held and driven into the ground every time it went into our forward line, our tackles were never rewarded while every single thing was picked out in their forward 50. What about that rubbish push out in the second I think to Menzel to name just one? Wasn't even there. Should ask Short what he thought of Mackie's rushed behind too. These are goals denied from us and gifted to the opposition. No matter how well you play you can't control those things. The club needs to ask wtf is going on because it's every stuffing week.
:clapping
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The entire AFL community knows the umpiring is garbage. Inconsistent is about the most positive thing you can say about it.
But seriously, we didn't lose today because of the umpiring.
If people want to blame the umpires, so be it. I think it is just a distraction.
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the umpires sunk the slipper in
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Question needs to be asked.Like I said doesn't makes exuses but it was plane ridiculous and killed the game.
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yeah right, so 1 goal not paid made the difference.
how about the lack of moves made by dudwick when rance was getting pantsed by Taylor? He was getting toweled like trengrove did in that first half yet no moves? 4 goals to Taylor = game over.
Rance was as pathetic as edwards, houli and soldo today
how about he learn to deal with it instead of telling the whole world about it.
***sorry i forgot dudwick did make a move. Rance to FF with 1 minute left. LMFAO
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That second quarter killed the game though. Jack was getting held and driven into the ground every time it went into our forward line, our tackles were never rewarded while every single thing was picked out in their forward 50. What about that rubbish push out in the second I think to Menzel to name just one? Wasn't even there. Should ask Short what he thought of Mackie's rushed behind too. These are goals denied from us and gifted to the opposition. No matter how well you play you can't control those things. The club needs to ask wtf is going on because it's every stuffing week.
This. Quite simple 12 free kicks to 3 in 2nd qtr and god knows how many the umpire ignored. It's a momentum killer which handed them the game on a plate in the 2nd qtr
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Umpiring was a disgrace. Once again it is the ones they didn't pay that killed us. Geelong players seemed to be given much longer to dispose of the ball compared to our players.... :banghead
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Umpiring was a disgrace. Once again it is the ones they didn't pay that killed us. Geelong players seemed to be given much longer to dispose of the ball compared to our players.... :banghead
One word... Stevic
A fellow forum member sent me a msg during the game, i wasnt watching as i was working.
I decided to read msg, reply and check game on my afl app. As spon as the screen came up it had Matt stevic doing everything he could to not pay a holding free to macca on boundary.
Turned it off, knew we were stuffed before the game started so im not even suprised.
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Stevic should be banned for umpiring our games. Clearly something has happened in the past causing some conflict of interest and affecting his ability to officiate impartially.
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Over it!
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Holding the ball paid against Rioli a diagrace, so many instancesit was poo truck
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Cue the Benny Hill music or in when in Geelong take out the banjo and start playing deliverance solos.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-claims-richmond-copped-raw-deal-against-geelong-with-free-kick-count/news-story/23a2230219e817215a30a6f60bb19f73
Finally speaks up. The most clear cut frees missed and wrong frees paid against us was easily worth 6 goals. Still got beaten in other areas but that second quarter really broke us. Something like a 14 or 15 to 1 free kick run. We've been playing poorly and still winning games. This time we played poorly and paid for it with the umpires putting us to the sword having a massive say in it. Really need to start making the most of our opportunities so the germs can't be a factor.
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Experienced umpires Matt Stevic, Simon Meredith and Andrew Mitchell had been in charge.
Hardwick could face a "please explain" from the AFL for his comments.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/geelong-freekick-count-influenced-by-fans-claims-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20170811-gxugaf.html
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Experienced umpires Matt Stevic, Simon Meredith and Andrew Mitchell had been in charge.
Hardwick could face a "please explain" from the AFL for his comments.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/geelong-freekick-count-influenced-by-fans-claims-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20170811-gxugaf.html
Schwab should be given a stuffen please explain also
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I understand that it's their home ground and someone has spent a lot of coin to get it to where it is currently but would other clubs be allowed the same "advantage" if they wanted to have their own "boutique" home ground again? Because it is a massive advantage!!
Imagine if Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood or Essendon wanted to upgrade their home grounds and play games there.
I think in a competition the size of the AFL the grounds on which teams play on must cater for both teams supporters.
The AFL have a massive double standard imo with Geelongs home ground.
I'm sure if Richmond wanted to play games at Punt Road in front of 30,000 people the AFL wouldn't allow it purely on gate receipts alone, let alone the game wouldn't grow at the same rate as it is now with everyone being able to watch our home games whether you are a Tigers supporter or an opposition supporter.
Supporters not being able to watch their team play live each week is a disgrace!! And how the AFL can justify that is beyond me.
How they scheduled a side like us with 70,000 members regardless of how we went last year is just ridiculous.
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I understand that it's their home ground and someone has spent a lot of coin to get it to where it is currently but would other clubs be allowed the same "advantage" if they wanted to have their own "boutique" home ground again? Because it is a massive advantage!!
Imagine if Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood or Essendon wanted to upgrade their home grounds and play games there.
I think in a competition the size of the AFL the grounds on which teams play on must cater for both teams supporters.
The AFL have a massive double standard imo with Geelongs home ground.
I'm sure if Richmond wanted to play games at Punt Road in front of 30,000 people the AFL wouldn't allow it purely on gate receipts alone, let alone the game wouldn't grow at the same rate as it is now with everyone being able to watch our home games whether you are a Tigers supporter or an opposition supporter.
Supporters not being able to watch their team play live each week is a disgrace!! And how the AFL can justify that is beyond me.
How they scheduled a side like us with 70,000 members regardless of how we went last year is just ridiculous.
Your last paragraph sums it up perfect yet they come and give us the exuse on last year's performance and defend it nothing but clowns common sense were big drawers to games and 70000 members put interstate clubs there and low drawing crowds.
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Experienced umpires Matt Stevic, Simon Meredith and Andrew Mitchell had been in charge.
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Umpiring was a disgrace. Once again it is the ones they didn't pay that killed us. Geelong players seemed to be given much longer to dispose of the ball compared to our players.... :banghead
One word... Stevic
A fellow forum member sent me a msg during the game, i wasnt watching as i was working.
I decided to read msg, reply and check game on my afl app. As spon as the screen came up it had Matt stevic doing everything he could to not pay a holding free to macca on boundary.
Turned it off, knew we were stuffed before the game started so im not even suprised.
Stevic has been BIG BIG problem on and off for at least 7-8 years and i alsi recall some absolutely shocking games around 2006/2007 which he was proudly front and centre.
Whenever we are getting REALLY bent over i look for his name or umpire number (9) and suprise suprise hes officiating.
He has KILLED US. Theres no two ways about it.
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From Robbo's 'dislikes' column:
3. COME ON, DIMMA
Have a look at the free kick count, Damien Hardwick said in the post-match. His point might be valid, but it smacked of being a sore loser. Apportioning blame to umpires - and them being influenced by the crowd - for what happened on Saturday was the emotional Hardwick speaking. The free kick count was 28-17 after being 20-7 at half-time. The “noise of affirmation’’ might have been in play, but the Tigers had greater problems than the umpires.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinson-looks-at-round-21s-highlights-and-lowlights/news-story/b7212b9b4f0a5f449cc010a8ab6baf10
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yeah the 20 - 7 didn't suck the wind out of our sails at all blobbo
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A bit hard when the other team are given kicks wrapped in a bow right in front of goal in a game decided by less than three goals.
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A bit hard when the other team are given kicks wrapped in a bow right in front of goal in a game decided by less than three goals.
Exactly
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If they quoted his whole interview he went on to say it's the same for us when we play at the g..
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If they quoted his whole interview he went on to say it's the same for us when we play at the g..
If they did that then they wouldn't have hours of radio time and countless newspaper articles to fill, never let the facts get in the way of a good story
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AFL umpires boss Peter Schwab plays down talk of home crowd influence at Geelong
Daniel Cherny
The Age
14 August 2017
AFL umpires chief Peter Schwab says he won't buy into talk umpires are swayed by crowd noise after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick pointed to Geelong's home ground advantage for a free kick discrepancy in the Cats' 14-point win over the Tigers at Simonds Stadium on Saturday.
With Richmond already unhappy about being made to play their blockbuster at Geelong's fortress, Hardwick's angst was exacerbated by a 28-17 free kick tally in the home side's favour.
"The home crowd gets behind them - have a look at the free-kick count," Hardwick said.
However Schwab - who earlier this year said umpires were not specifically trained to deal with crowd noise - reiterated that it was not an issue, suggesting that it was unhelpful to focus raw free kick numbers.
"I think from our point of view, a lopsided free kick count isn't an issue," Schwab told Fairfax Media.
"A lot of clubs always talk about this so-called noise of affirmation which means the crowd has an influence. Personally I don't buy into it. I don't buy into the free kick count. The umpires go out and umpire on the basis of how the game unfolds. And they'll pay free kicks according to whether it's a free kick or not a free kick in their opinion.
"So the free kick count might be lopsided but that's no indication those free kicks aren't there or aren't correct. All I ever say is, if we're making errors, we need to look into why those errors occur.
"But there's no way known from an integrity point of view that the umpires ever look at the free kick count.
"It just can't factor in, because they're too busy umpiring the game. That's the way umpiring's always been."
It had been suggested that Hardwick could receive a 'please explain' from AFL football operations boss Andrew Dillon about the matter, and Schwab was reluctant to be drawn on whether Hardwick should receive such a notice.
"As for Damien getting a 'please explain,' that doesn't fall across my agenda," Schwab said.
"Ultimately Damien and I can always have a chat about the game and whether the free kicks were there or not. That's a legitimate conversation that we can have."
The AFL said no decision would be made on the matter until after the league's regular Monday meeting.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-umpires-boss-peter-schwab-plays-down-talk-of-home-crowd-influence-at-geelong-20170813-gxv3nh.html
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Robert Walls not impressed by Damien Hardwick's post-match comments after Richmond loss
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
August 14, 2017 6:05pm
CARLTON premiership great Robert Walls has blasted Richmond coach Damien Hardwick for his cheeky post-match comments after Saturday’s loss to Geelong.
In front of a parochial home crowd of 32,266 fans at Simonds Stadium, the Cats upset Hardwick’s Tigers by 14 points in an entertaining battle. But by game’s end, the free kick count was 28-17 in favour of Geelong.
Asked if Geelong had the biggest home ground advantage in the AFL when playing at Simonds Stadium, Hardwick said: “Absolutely ... the home crowd gets behind them. Have a look at the free kick count.
“It is what it is. What I will say is you’ve got a significant home ground advantage. I understand what (Geelong coach) Chris (Scott) is saying, I’d be playing as many home games here as I can. It is tough to play.”
But Walls wasn’t a fan of Hardwick’s remarks during his press conference, saying the Tigers coach was “better than that”.
“I think it’s OK for him to think that, but I don’t think you say it,” Walls told Fox Sports News’ AFL Tonight.
“I don’t think it’s good for his players to hear the coach say ‘we were given a raw deal by the umpires’ — you’re better than that.
“You’ve got to be able to play anyone at anytime anywhere and not be concerned about the umpires.:”
Walls, who led four teams during his 336-game coaching career, noted that Hardwick was emotional after such a huge top-four clash.
“It was a big build-up game for Richmond, a game which everyone expected them to win,” Walls said.
“They didn’t and I just think you button your lip and don’t talk about those sorts of things.”
Asked if Hardwick would regret those comments down the track, Walls said: “I think so. I’d be surprised if he did it again.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/robert-walls-not-impressed-by-damien-hardwicks-postmatch-comments-after-richmond-loss/news-story/872cd03f4e58522a3b963309eb215269
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Still not a single mention of Mackie's deliberate rushed behind. Coaches have commented on umpiring more than once this season, even Max Gawn had a cheeky jibe at them on the weekend. There is a problem and the AFL needs to address it instead of telling everyone to shut up or cop a fine.
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The umpiring was disgraceful
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who cares what Robert rosie leaf my starfish Walls says?
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Was Richmond really hard done by with free kicks against Geelong at Simonds Stadium?
CHRIS VERNUCCIO,
Herald Sun
August 15, 2017 4:15pm
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick chose his words carefully when asked about the impact the Geelong crowd had in his team’s loss at Simonds Stadium.
The Tigers were on the wrong end of a lopsided 28-17 free kick count last Saturday, which Hardwick pointed out after the game.
“Absolutely ... the home crowd gets behind them. Have a look at the free kick count.”
“It is what it is. What I will say is you’ve got a significant home ground advantage.”
While there was no reference to umpires or umpiring decisions, the inference was the vocal Geelong crowd swayed the men in lime green.
But after the emotion subsides, which it should have by now, Hardwick will be fully aware the discrepancy in the free kick tally had little to do with the “the noise of affirmation”.
A Herald Sun review of the match noted clear decisions that went against the Tigers, some of which were influenced by the crowd, but the Cats also on the wrong end of umpiring errors.
But what was apparently obvious was how much more effective the Cats were with their tackles, which Champion Data stats support.
Geelong laid 72 tackles from 105 attempts, an efficiency of 69 per cent, and missed just six tackles.
Richmond had 147 tackling attempts, effecting 84 tackles — 12 more than the Cats — but its efficiency was 57 per cent and the Tigers missed 13 tackles.
The Tigers weren’t able to make them stick as well as the Cats, and allowed their opponents to get a disposal away.
That was the biggest factor in the result.
Richmond still won its share of holding the ball decisions — seven to Geelong’s 11.
However, when it comes to tackling Geelong is clearly the No.1 team in the competition with an efficiency of 71.1 per cent — the only club about 70 per cent.
The next best is the Western Bulldogs at 68.8 per cent. Richmond’s efficiency is 64.9 per cent, ranked 14th.
The Cats also win the most holding the ball free kicks — 5.7 a game. Sydney is behind them with 5.2.
Here are some of the key moments from Saturday’s game at the Cattery:
FIRST QUARTER
18min44sec: Kane Lambert tackles Cats defender Andrew Mackie from behind, crowd wants a push back but the umpire correctly awards a holding the ball free to the Tigers. The end result is the game’s opening goal to Josh Caddy.
16:26: Tigers ruckman Ivan Soldo gets lucky when he’s tackled by Sam Menengola and drops the ball as Cats fans cry “baaaaall”, but the umpire waves play on.
13:59: Geelong tall Rhys Stanley denied a shot at goal despite David Astbury not having his eyes on the ball and making contact with his face attempting to spoil. Daniel Menzel picks up the loose ball and snaps the Cats’ first score — a behind.
11:45: Stanley gets a square-up free as Astbury hangs on to him, and boots Geelong’s first goal.
8:14: Mackie gets away with an obvious deliberate rushed behind after handballing to Lachie Henderson, who was already behind the goal line. The Tigers cheer squad behind the goals is ropeable.
SECOND QUARTER
19:14: The Tigers again start a quarter with the first goal from a free kick after Geelong defender Zach Tuohy was deemed to have thrown the ball in a Dan Butler tackle.
13:40: Geelong’s midfield press is forcing the Tigers to overhandball. Shane Edwards breaks a tackle and handballs to Daniel Rioli who tries to sell the dummy but is nabbed by Menengola.
7:22: Martin nudges Jordan Murdoch under the ball inside Richmond’s forward 50, there’s a murmur from the crowd but the umps aren’t interested.
5:45: Sam Simpson gets the benefit of the doubt after a dubious disposal when tackled by Nathan Broad.
5:38: Broad puts his head down between two Geelong players to win the ball and is taken high but doesn’t receive a free.
5:30: Mackie is all over Jack Riewoldt 10m from goal. Riewoldt is furious no free was paid. Crucial moment with the Tigers trailing 41-29.
4:37: Up the other end, Menzel is impeded by Brandon Ellis in a marking content. Menzel goal’s is effectively a 12-point turnaround.
3:57: The Tigers apply pressure at a centre bounce. Murdoch tries to spin out of trouble but is collared by Richmond captain Trent Cotchin. The ball spills but the umpire keeps the whistle away.
2:32: Grigg is under pressure in defence as he throws the ball onto his boot. It bounces between the 50m arc and the centre square and bounces another five times before going out of bounds. The vocal Geelong crowd scream for deliberate and get it. Harsh decision.
00:04: Menzel is dragged down Edwards, stopping a certain shot at goal on the siren, but seconds earlier Cotchin made high contact with the Cats forward.
THIRD QUARTER
16:16: Dangerfield marks on the 50 to crowd cheers, but is ruled to have pushed Dion Prestia in the back.
13:04: Jackson Thurlow is dumped after a strong tackle by McIntosh, and it’s questionable whether the Cat got a handball away.
10:35: Prestia is pounced on by Cam Guthrie and Selwood at a centre bounce. The crowd appeals for a free but the umpire correctly rules there was no prior opportunity.
8:06: Guthrie fumbles the ball before he’s tackled by Broad. He had prior opportunity and also didn’t dispose the ball correctly. Clear mistake.
6:02: Riewoldt is pushed by Tom Lonergan outside 50m and is the awarded the free. Delivers a pinpoint pass to Houli, who goals to cut the margin to 13 points.
2:00: Cats defender Jackson Thurlow is in the back pocket and under little pressure dribbles the ball towards the boundary line. Deliberate out of bounds paid.
FOURTH QUARTER
9:21: Rioli gathers the bouncing ball and is immediately seized by Selwood. The umpire waits before calling holding the ball. With the Cats 20 point up, the crowd is getting louder.
7:42: Selwood is tackled by Prestia as soon as he takes possession, in similar circumstances to the Rioli tackle previously. The only difference is Selwood had one armed pin and lets the ball spill out, but that’s incorrect disposal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/was-richmond-really-hard-done-by-with-free-kicks-against-geelong-at-simonds-stadium/news-story/1384bb16e671da1f07d34ea7b71337ec
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Wtf does that article even achieve? Only seems to show where we get away with a few and the obvious ones Geelong deserved while managing to conveniently ignore the others. Then it also mentions crap like second quarter 4:37 which during the replay showed Menzel didn't even deserve a free kick. Many of those HTB didn't even have prior opportunity but were still paid after a pause from the umpires which is what Hardwick was referring to with his "noise of affirmation" comment. Rubbish article.
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Chris Venereal.............another hillbilly with no idea
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Caroline Wilson criticises Richmond coach Damien Hardwick over ‘mean-spirited’ umpiring complaint
By WWOS staff
16 August 2017
Footy Classified’s Caroline Wilson has ripped into coach Damien Hardwick’s "mean-spirited" claim that AFL umpires favoured Geelong in Richmond’s Round 21 loss.
The free kick count was 28-17 in favour of the Cats, which Hardwick pointed out as part of the “significant home ground advantage” Geelong held when playing at Simonds Stadium.
“The home crowd gets behind them, have a look at the free kick count,” Hardwick said.
“They’re an outstanding side, but they’re an outstanding side plus when it comes to playing here.”
Though Hardwick didn’t blame the 80-66 defeat solely on the skewed free kick count, Wilson hit out at the coach’s unnecessary shot at the umpires.
“Damien, what were you thinking?” Wilson said on the ‘Caro’s Arrow’ segment on Nine’s Footy Classified.
“Who do you coaches actually talk to when you speak like that at post match press conferences? To your players? To your supporters? Maybe it’s political? Maybe you’re sending a message to the umpires? Are you worried the same thing will happen against Fremantle at Subiaco next week? Or at the Adelaide Oval during the finals?”
Coming into the game against Geelong, the Tigers were brimming with confidence having soundly beaten Hawthorn 93-64 the previous week. Wilson thought Hardwick’s complaints were a disappointing turn.
“In the context of what was a great week and a great build up for the Richmond Football Club it just seemed a little unsporting, a little negative, irrelevant and dare I say it Damien, mean-spirited,” Wilson said.
However fellow Footy Classified panellist and Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd appreciated Hardwick’s honesty.
“I agreed with him,” the 2000 AFL Premiership winner said.
“I thought Geelong got the rub of the green early and Damien Hardwick was just being honest.”
http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/08/15/15/14/caroline-wilson-criticises-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-umpires
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Yes marm....
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Caroline Wilson criticises Richmond coach Damien Hardwick over ‘mean-spirited’ umpiring complaint
By WWOS staff
16 August 2017
Footy Classified’s Caroline Wilson has ripped into coach Damien Hardwick’s "mean-spirited" claim that AFL umpires favoured Geelong in Richmond’s Round 21 loss.
The free kick count was 28-17 in favour of the Cats, which Hardwick pointed out as part of the “significant home ground advantage” Geelong held when playing at Simonds Stadium.
“The home crowd gets behind them, have a look at the free kick count,” Hardwick said.
“They’re an outstanding side, but they’re an outstanding side plus when it comes to playing here.”
Though Hardwick didn’t blame the 80-66 defeat solely on the skewed free kick count, Wilson hit out at the coach’s unnecessary shot at the umpires.
“Damien, what were you thinking?” Wilson said on the ‘Caro’s Arrow’ segment on Nine’s Footy Classified.
“Who do you coaches actually talk to when you speak like that at post match press conferences? To your players? To your supporters? Maybe it’s political? Maybe you’re sending a message to the umpires? Are you worried the same thing will happen against Fremantle at Subiaco next week? Or at the Adelaide Oval during the finals?”
Coming into the game against Geelong, the Tigers were brimming with confidence having soundly beaten Hawthorn 93-64 the previous week. Wilson thought Hardwick’s complaints were a disappointing turn.
“In the context of what was a great week and a great build up for the Richmond Football Club it just seemed a little unsporting, a little negative, irrelevant and dare I say it Damien, mean-spirited,” Wilson said.
However fellow Footy Classified panellist and Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd appreciated Hardwick’s honesty.
“I agreed with him,” the 2000 AFL Premiership winner said.
“I thought Geelong got the rub of the green early and Damien Hardwick was just being honest.”
http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/08/15/15/14/caroline-wilson-criticises-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-umpires
Get stuffed Caro. The comment was long overdue and I expected you to get that before most others!
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I watched Buddy Franklin's running goal against Adelaide last night totally incredulous.
I count 2 bounces and a drop of the footy with him running from just on the defensive side of the wing (I am being charitable) right around the left hand boundary to about 40m from goal in the pocket. In a straight line that would have to be 100m. When he dropped the ball he probably fumbles it about 20m. So in a straight line, he probably ran with the footy 80m. But then he didn't run in a straight line, he curved around the boundary, so add that 20m back on, give or take a little.
No free kick, but a fantastic highlight that the media and Swans fans will talk about for ages. But the fact is, anyone can have a highlight moment if they are allowed to play outside the rules of the game.
I'd be dirty if I was a Crows fan. But I am sick of this as a footy fan.
How could the umpires miss such a flagrant breach of the rules. When you watch it, gut instinct tells you he runs too far when he slots the goal, let along earlier in the piece.
And the AFL's immediate response to it via Twitter "This was Buddy amazing! #AFLCrowsSwans". Yeah, good work morons.
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Adelaide were robbed because of that 50m penalty against Eddie, the Sydney player clearly tried to handball but the ump didn't call play on and pinged him for tackling. Cost them the game as it resulted in a goal. I reckon that was the Grandfinal preview by the way. They both look amazing and balanced across all positions.
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For mine the Betts incident is enough.
Complaining about umpires has in the past largely been a seen as a discussion undertaken by the fringe sooks in the footy community but theres been so many poor decisions this year and unbalanced decision making its become a front and centre issue.
Something needs to be done otherwise the integrity of the game will be damaged.
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Something needs to be done otherwise the integrity of the game will be damaged.
Already there I reckon. There is not a sport in the world that calls itself professional that is so poorly officiated.
And it just seems to get worse and worse.
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Complaining about umpires has in the past largely been a seen as a discussion undertaken by the fringe sooks in the footy community but theres been so many poor decisions this year and unbalanced decision making its become a front and centre issue.
I hate it when we, as Tigers fans, complain about the umpiring after a loss. It smacks of sour grapes. I truly believe that anytime when want to blame the umpiring, we need to look at our own team's performance and think that we should not have been in a position for the umpires to influence the result.
But yep, the umpiring isn't a fringe issue any longer. For me it is smack bang in the middle. But the AFL just don't get it. When I or anyone else, as a footy fans, can't sit down to watch a game without the umpiring become a major bone of contention, then there is something fundamentally wrong.
And this isn't the umpires fault. The constant changing of rule interpretations must be a nightmare for them as well as the players.
I am really starting to feel like AFL is just some sort of contrived money making venture at the same level as the WWE/WWF wrestling.
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THe AFL not changing the stuffing rules and interpretations every five minutes would be a good start....
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That, and when so many of the rules are 'interprations', having multiple umpires means you get multiple interpretations and inconsistent, subjective officiating. I don't have any solutions and understand many umpires are needed to properly officiate a game this fast and size, but it's clearly a problem. Sure soccer has its fair share of incorrect decisions too but with only a single ref you only get a single interpration of rules and it's generally more consistent. How we achieve this on our game I have no idea and more umpires certainly isn't the solution.
There is one conspiracy theory I somewhat buy into though, and that's the umpires are instructed to keep it exciting. Too many games that are close do the trailing team get the benefit of 50/50 free kicks and too often are the star players get let off so they are exciting to watch.
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Buddy running too far was a clear cut decision, but no umpire alive would ever call it! You can't go robbing the game & the media of a highlight reel! Fifteen metres is rubbery at best when a star player is heading towards goal ... just ask Jake Neald ...
Let's face it, no device has ever been invented that can measure out fifteen metres!
So Dusty - just run as far as you like & drill a freak goal, then run around like an idiot kissing your guns & thumping your chest! Nobody will dare take the goal off you! No umpire or tape measure will dare get in the way of a great show ...
Surely it will work for us too? :-\
But if a blurry finger bends back two degrees in a pack as a snap shot goes through against an AFL backed team you can expect the video man to spot it & save the day by changing the result ... :o
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For mine the Betts incident is enough.
Complaining about umpires has in the past largely been a seen as a discussion undertaken by the fringe sooks in the footy community but theres been so many poor decisions this year and unbalanced decision making its become a front and centre issue.
Something needs to be done otherwise the integrity of the game will be damaged.
Too late, it's already damaged
The fact that ever week the footy world seems to spend more time discussing umpires, rule interpretations, rule of the week etc says to me the damage has been done.
I hate blaming umpires for teams losing but that call agaonst Betts was just so blatantly wrong. No ifs, buts or maybes.
The thing is that this is only game one of the round and there are 2 decisions that will talked about for the entire weeknd.. 8 games to go how many more will there be
The game is damaged because IMO We should be talking about the great players, plays and games not the ineptitude of the umpiring fraternity
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THe AFL not changing the stuffing rules and interpretations every five minutes would be a good start....
That's the real issue. Can't physically be possible to adjudicate the game with the weekly changes in the rules (or interpretation as they conveniently call it)
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The problem imo is they keep trying to tinker with poo to curb this or that behavior. What they cannot seem to get through their thick stuffing skulls is that players and coaches will always adapt to the rules to exploit to best possible advantage. Find a happy medium and leave it.
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Having a say already :lol
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Should complain more often 8)
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Got a square up today LOL
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I watched Buddy Franklin's running goal against Adelaide last night totally incredulous.
I count 2 bounces and a drop of the footy with him running from just on the defensive side of the wing (I am being charitable) right around the left hand boundary to about 40m from goal in the pocket. In a straight line that would have to be 100m. When he dropped the ball he probably fumbles it about 20m. So in a straight line, he probably ran with the footy 80m. But then he didn't run in a straight line, he curved around the boundary, so add that 20m back on, give or take a little.
No free kick, but a fantastic highlight that the media and Swans fans will talk about for ages. But the fact is, anyone can have a highlight moment if they are allowed to play outside the rules of the game.
I'd be dirty if I was a Crows fan. But I am sick of this as a footy fan.
How could the umpires miss such a flagrant breach of the rules. When you watch it, gut instinct tells you he runs too far when he slots the goal, let along earlier in the piece.
And the AFL's immediate response to it via Twitter "This was Buddy amazing! #AFLCrowsSwans". Yeah, good work morons.
The AFL umps' head boss admitted today that Buddy ran too far ("It was closer to 20 [metres] than 15") but defended it being missed by saying it was the heat of the moment non-decision and that Buddy can run a fair way as he's fast and he has a long stride.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-21/umps-got-it-wrong-on-betts-50m-penalty-afl
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:lol
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Amateur hour.
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They admitted Betts wasn't a 50 meter penalty and Mills played on in other words cost crows the game bunch of clowns.
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They admitted Betts wasn't a 50 meter penalty and Mills played on in other words cost crows the game bunch of clowns.
The umpire was standing right there, but the umpire 50m away was controlling play???
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full of shell grit these bastards, rather put on a circus than administrate a game fairly. They have to make up their minds what their industry is, scripted rock and roll wrestling sport/opera or a genuine competitive sport.
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I reckon we'll cop Stevic week 1 of finals :shh
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I reckon we'll cop Stevic week 1 of finals :shh
Bookmark it. Lose by a kick on the siren from a dubious free into 50m penalty.
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I reckon we'll cop Stevic week 1 of finals :shh
Stevic AND DeBoy will be our umpires in weeks 1 and any subsequent game they can't stop us from getting through to..... :shh
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Yesssssss :clapping that's the spirit
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
FFS my night is ruined already
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
stevic :banghead :banghead do you think balmy and co would bring this up after that geelong game??
I cant believe this, actually i can
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Stevic should just be named in their 22.
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
It could be worse
We could have got Deboy ;D he's doing one of the SA games
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Stevic
Might as well start planning for Sydney or Essendon in a fortnight....
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
It could be worse
We could have got Deboy ;D he's doing one of the SA games
I get that, but I feel Matt Stevic's interpretation of the rules and our way of gamestyle just don't compliment each other..
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Lets be honest Stevic is a stuffen cheat. He clearly hates Richmond and will do everything he can to shaft us.
Fingers crossed he pulls a hammy at training or else we are buggered.
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
It could be worse
We could have got Deboy ;D he's doing one of the SA games
I get that, but I feel Matt Stevic's interpretation of the rules and our way of gamestyle just don't compliment each other..
We've probably gone through about half-a-dozen different "gamestyles" since Stevic's been umpiring and none of then have ever seemed to "compliment" him..... :shh :whistle
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:facepalm
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Someone needs to take Stevic out prior to the game
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quiklax in his yoghurt or tofu salad?
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quiklax in his yoghurt or tofu salad?
was thinking something more permanent (but not fatal)
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Anyone got Tonya Harding's number? :shh
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I'm not one to bash umpires but the facts are Stevic is a cheat... And I'd like to bash him. :shh
I just hope whatever the result we can just walk away and not have to talk about them. Just do your job and call what you see without looking for poo that isn't there.
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I'm not one to bash umpires but the facts are Stevic is a cheat... And I'd like to bash him. :shh
I just hope whatever the result we can just walk away and not have to talk about them. Just do your job and call what you see without looking for poo that isn't there.
Interestingly on the Cats BF thread on this game they're just as upset with Stevic umpiring for more or less the same reasons.
Even more interesting was the free kick count at halftime in the rd21 clash down there which Stevic also umpired. Can't remember exactly what it was but I seem to remember it was more than 2:1 in their favour....
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I'm not one to bash umpires but the facts are Stevic is a cheat... And I'd like to bash him. :shh
I just hope whatever the result we can just walk away and not have to talk about them. Just do your job and call what you see without looking for poo that isn't there.
Interestingly on the Cats BF thread on this game they're just as upset with Stevic umpiring for more or less the same reasons.
Even more interesting was the free kick count at halftime in the rd21 clash down there which Stevic also umpired. Can't remember exactly what it was but I seem to remember it was more than 2:1 in their favour....
At one stage in he 2nd it was 20-4
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Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
It could be worse
We could have got Deboy ;D he's doing one of the SA games
I get that, but I feel Matt Stevic's interpretation of the rules and our way of gamestyle just don't compliment each other..
Well at minimum it puts a whole new dynamic on the game.
If theres evident bias things will get very interesting
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well that's us stuffed ill give you the news right now.
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Richmond vs Geelong AFL Finals 2017: ‘Disgusting’ error scars match
James Matthey
Herald-Sun
9 September 2017
ONE of the biggest talking points to emerge from Richmond’s momentous win over Geelong in Friday night’s qualifying final was a sour moment from late in the first term.
AFL greats voiced their unhappiness after one umpire denied Richmond’s Bachar Houli a goal when he snapped from inside forward 50, instead handing Geelong a free kick because he ruled Houli’s teammate Jack Riewoldt bent the rules.
Riewoldt was deemed to have illegally pushed a defender out of the way in the goal square as the Sherrin bounced through the big sticks, even though the Tigers forward’s eyes were on the ball the whole time.
To make matters worse he was then pinged with a 50m free kick when he encroached upon the mark while trying to smother the resulting drop punt.
Swans premiership coach Paul Roos said the Tigers forward didn’t deserve to be penalised, AFL legend Jason Dunstall said “the Tigers were stiff, no free kick” and Brisbane great Jonathan Brown was fuming at what he believes was a poor decision.
“No free kick, the umpires were here a few weeks ago and they told us the cue is whether the player has his eyes on the man or on the ball,” Brown said on Fox Footy.
“Jack Riewoldt clearly had his eyes on the ball there, that is play on. It’s incidental contact, it’s play on, that is a goal.”
Host of Channel Seven’s AFL program The Front Bar Andy Maher was equally as outraged at the free kick.
But Richmond didn’t let the controversial call rattle it, surging to a 13.13 (91) to 5.10 (40) victory on the back of a rampaging Dustin Martin.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/disgusting-call-in-richmondgeelong-final-criticised-by-afl-icons/news-story/74d341d95ce846237b2901579f38eed2
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I think the three did a good job. I didn't really see the goalsquare incident because I was still celebrating the Houli goal.
Overall I thought the umpires were pretty good.
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Yep poo decision but overall not too bad on the night.
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we won despite the atrocious umpiring >:(
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Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
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Something needs to be done otherwise the integrity of the game will be damaged.
Already there I reckon. There is not a sport in the world that calls itself professional that is so poorly officiated.
And it just seems to get worse and worse.
Rubbish Soccer is the most poo umpiring in the world. You can throw yourself down like you've been shot after the most pathetic if touches and win a world cup on the field and nothing happens but wiggle your finger at the crowd and it's weeks in the sin bin. We're not even remotely as cap as they are.
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Yep poo decision but overall not too bad on the night.
Umpiring was below par 6 out of 10 but not terrible. Goal square decision was crazy. The 50m seemed harsh too but if he hadn't blown the whistle to play on then it was fair.
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Thought they were still getting away with way too many throws and HTBs, but thought it was gold when Selwood got caught holding the ball by I think it was Presitia in our forward line. He looked like he was going to cry to the ump.
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Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
We are all euphoric about the win but the umpiring was garbage. The goal square decision was incorrect. Geelong incessantly tackled players without the ball, in one case they tackled a player leaping for a mark before he had even touched the ball and play on was called.
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Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
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They were better last night. Not because of the ones that they did pay but because of the ones they didnt pay. They let the game flow a bit more instead of trying to be the center of attention and blowing that whistle just because they have it. They still did make some glaring errors but just not as many.
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Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Only Watched replay now
On the night looked right, watchong slowed down reckon you can call it either way
Umpires would argue that Jack came in from 10 -15 metres out, no eyes for the ball and took whoever it was out of contest
6 of 1 half dozen of the other ;D
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Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Only Watched replay now
On the night looked right, watchong slowed down reckon you can call it either way
Umpires would argue that Jack came in from 10 -15 metres out, no eyes for the ball and took whoever it was out of contest
6 of 1 half dozen of the other ;D
Eyes were on the ball. Ball within 5m. Smashed into his side.
No free.
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Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Only Watched replay now
On the night looked right, watchong slowed down reckon you can call it either way
Umpires would argue that Jack came in from 10 -15 metres out, no eyes for the ball and took whoever it was out of contest
6 of 1 half dozen of the other ;D
I'd watch it again WP. That was in no way a free kick.
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Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Only Watched replay now
On the night looked right, watchong slowed down reckon you can call it either way
Umpires would argue that Jack came in from 10 -15 metres out, no eyes for the ball and took whoever it was out of contest
6 of 1 half dozen of the other ;D
I'd watch it again WP. That was in no way a free kick.
Fair enough :thumbsup
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Add to that the free Hawkins got for sneezing in the third and the goal Danger got on the half time siren it really was a shlacking. Typical umps trying to keep em in in :rollin
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Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished up
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Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished up
Just out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
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Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished up
Just out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
Stevic for sure, he can be PM of the pooty place
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Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished up
Just out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
Stevic for sure, he can be PM of the pooty place
He can manage traffic flow on Auckland hwy for mine :shh
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deboy can stuffing join him and McInerny and any other imbecile that upsets me
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Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished up
Just out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
Stevic for sure, he can be PM of the pooty place
He can manage traffic flow on Auckland hwy for mine :shh
If he was deported he's only got the skill set to end up screaming and hollering on a dirty street corner, selling pencils from a cup
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No fan of them, but Eagles getting absolutely stiffed by the umpiring in Adelaide.
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yep, but they usually get their poles smoked at home to be fair
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yep, but they usually get their poles smoked at home to be fair
How stuffing true this comment is
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Wanted to bump this thread in light of our premiership win.
After round 19 we were last on the list as posted with a deficit of 62 (the next worst was -36 to GWS)
We are a statistical anomaly. What a disgrace:
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/round-19-afl-free-kick-differential-ladder
Last 4 rounds was 72 for v 76 against. So better, even including the Geelong 28/17 against in round 22. Still a differential of 66 though.
Finals was 68 for v 62 against which looks about right but we did win them all pretty easy.
Huge lift if we get that sort of ratio this year.
The main point is that we should expect a much better deal from the umpires this year after proving we are the best team in the competition.
In the same way that the Brownlow medallists (and yes, we've got the current one here too) and top teams get preference from the umpires IMO, I hope we get a much better deal than last year.
Mind you, I'm not holding my breath since I also believe that the AFL knows our supporters will always turn up so they don't need to protect us like they do with Bullies, Lions, Carlton and North.
Add in the threat of Eddie going ballistic on radio Monday morning if the Maggies don't get a good run and the home town bias/intimidation for West Coast and you have the top 6.
St Kilda, Melbourne and Gold Coast get the AFL umpires support to prop up their club and supporters while Fremantle, Adelaide, Geelong and Sydney have the home town factor and we're at 13.
Perhaps after the finals this year, our supporters regularly become as intimidating as the interstate clubs.
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4 goals to Carlton from 50s ::).
As usual Umps were over zealous in round 1 on one particular rule (10m) without warning to the rest of us. It became an absolute joke ::). The question is why? What was wrong with last year's interpretation? :huh
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Fisher the new Stevic/Deboy.
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4 goals to Carlton from 50s ::).
As usual Umps were over zealous in round 1 on one particular rule (10m) without warning to the rest of us. It became an absolute joke ::). The question is why? What was wrong with last year's interpretation? :huh
That Geebung handbagger Hocking has made the umpiring worse! Well done :clapping
How long before we can sack him?
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Fisher the new Stevic/Deboy.
Fisher is a complete dud. Ex Players were invited to umpire as they are meant to have a better feel for the game!
Unfortunately Fisher is so stuffen stupid he couldn’t feel his own nut sack with both hands
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In the back is obviously no longer played...
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Fisher the new Stevic/Deboy.
Fisher is a complete dud. Ex Players were invited to umpire as they are meant to have a better feel for the game!
Unfortunately Fisher is so stuffen stupid he couldn’t feel his own nut sack with both hands
That is cause he probably doesn't have one.
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I was incensed with the cheating by Fisher
The RFC should officially submit a complaint
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Was he number 3? Terrible. :banghead
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How many goals were Carlscum gifted.
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DAMIEN Hardwick said he had no problem with the abundance of 50m penalties paid on Thursday night with the umpires red-hot on players encroaching on the protected area. But he now wants to see them paid all weekend.
Hardwick said Richmond conceded seven goals from free kicks as the umpires paid 42 free kicks in as the Tigers overpowered Carlton by 26 points.
“We went through it. As long as it’s consistent, I’m happy,” Hardwick said.
“As long as it’s consistently paid for the remainder of the weekend, I’m happy.
“It was a rule, we understand that, and we’ve got some work to do on that part of the game.
“I thought the Josh Caddy one was probably stiff, I thought he was heading out, but if the rules are in play I’m very happy provided they’re consistent.
“That’s my bad. I thought we gave away too many cheap free kicks, we gave away seven goals from free kicks.”
The Blues booted four goals from 50m penalties with Charlie Curnow capitalising on two on his way to career-best bag of five goals.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-v-carlton-follow-all-the-action-from-tonights-afl-season-opener/news-story/3123e70f691ab37fe6d2d60ce1d4ae29
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How many goals were Carlscum gifted.
Four from 50 metre penalties
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I watched the replay, our players were beside the Carlton player who got the free kick, they weren't given reasonable time to vacate the area. Leigh Fisher is a cheat.
Send him back to umpire country football
Have a look but they didn't call them against Carlton
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Tiger 50-metre penalties were wrong: AFL
Dinny Navaratnam
afl.com.au
Mar 23, 2018 3:08PM
THE AFL has admitted the umpires erred in awarding two of the five 50-metre penalties given to Carlton against Richmond for encroaching into the protected area, with another being assessed as a marginal call.
Clubs were told over the pre-season the rule regarding the area around a player who has taken a mark or given a free kick would be enforced more strictly this season.
On Friday, they were informed that incorrect decisions had been made in the season opener.
The protected area is five metres behind the player with the ball, and 10 metres either side of the player.
The first mistake was against Shai Bolton just over a minute into the match, when Zac Fisher had the football 60 metres out from goal. The AFL said there was no evidence of Fisher's protected area being infringed upon.
Josh Caddy was also wrongly penalised when Charlie Curnow had the football about 55m out from goal in the third quarter.
The marginal call happened earlier in the third term when Jacob Weitering had possession on the wing, against Kamdyn McIntosh. Weitering played on as he swung on to his right boot, which shortened the distance between the two.
In the umpire's opinion, McIntosh was "close to five metres away running through the protected area without deviating from his original line".
All umpires will be briefed on these decisions ahead of the rest of round one.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-23/tiger-50metre-penalties-were-wrong-admits-afl
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https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane/status/977035409371815937
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Great - now apologise for the throw call against Vlastuin...
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Great - now apologise for the throw call against Vlastuin...
Offset with the daisy one which was worse
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It's not often the highest goalkicker is the umpire- maybe they've set themselves to win the Coleman
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just a lazy 4 goal haul to umpire stuff knuckle
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Stuff me they’re getting into us early
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worst umpiring ive seen in 5 or so years.
havent paid us one htb
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You wouldn't want a final or Grand Final umpired like that. The umps were hot on us and whistle happy today :P. Surely, when both players are running back with the flight with their eye on the ball in the air you tell the players where the mark is on the ground.
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One of the 3 was DeBoy
Enough said
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It was putrid. We couldn’t buy a htb when they could just throw/drop it and spin around in tackles then lose it. Meanwhile we were getting done with no prior or in Short’s case getting coathangered high from behind.
No warning for us when over the mark, just instant 50s while Cox took two steps over one time to grab Rance when we was trying to kick.
Don’t get me started on the goal reviews. How was there enough evidence in any of them to overturn the goal decision?
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Pies fans are whinging about the umpires :o
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Clearly something was up today - I dont believe in having a crack at umps too often - but surely our cub are asking for a please explain - we are consistently on the receiving end of some very inconsistent interpretation. Those 50's were ridiculous as were the HTB's
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https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/round-6-afl-free-kick-differential-ladder
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Where’s owl? An umpire thread isn’t complete without the hooter.
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WTF IS UP WITH THESE POLE SMOKING MAGGOTS!!!!
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The non decision against Pendlebury for holding the ball just before half time left me seething and frothing from the mouth!! Led to Pies goal which put them in front.
We are definitely still on the receiving end of poor umpiring
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In all seriousness, I was pulling my hair out, And look who is right beneath colonwood on the big free kick differential ladder, Adelaide, big stuffing surprise there.
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The non decision against Pendlebury for holding the ball just before half time left me seething and frothing from the mouth!! Led to Pies goal which put them in front.
We are definitely still on the receiving end of poor umpiring
That one with Pendlebury had me fuming too. The bloke tried to pirouette in a tackle and just dropped the bloody thing. HTB every day. Even worse was the goal on top. And everyone else has the gall to say we get a ride.
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They were dropping the ball out of tackles all day, the other one they got away with was holding the man without the ball, drove me stuffing crazy, sometimes dragging them away from play...nothing to see here..stuffing umps right there
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https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/round-6-afl-free-kick-differential-ladder
"But its just Richmonds gameplan, they tend to give away frees going hard in the clinches" - every non Richmond flog searching to justify the #freekickrichmond trend.
Meanehile Collingwood copy our gameplan and sit atop the FK differentials....
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WTF IS UP WITH THESE POLE SMOKING MAGGOTS!!!!
:clapping :thumbsup
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Umpiring disgraceful in first half, love Jacks arms getting chopped then play on.
Umpires today 2/10
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fair and in biased - unlikely
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Round 7 rule of the week
The DOZEN rule
Pay 1 miss the next 11
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Round 7 rule of the week
The DOZEN rule
Pay 1 miis the next 11
How bad was that today, absolutely disgraceful
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Thought it was a massive improvement on last week :help
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We play the umpires darlings on Sunday. Nth got +7 against Sydney at home.
Apparently your allowed to tackle the head of the player wearing yellow and black.
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It was so obvious you would think the umpires had a directive from the AFL to keep Freo in the game.
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We play the umpires darlings on Sunday. Nth got +7 against Sydney at home.
Apparently your allowed to tackle the head of the player wearing yellow and black.
And the following week to Perth to play West Coast where West Coast has a positive Free count kick around Bradman's average
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Could anyone explain the non free to Vlastuin for high contact that apparently wasn’t
From what I heard from the commentators it was something to do with it wasn’t a free because he invited contact even though he didn’t drop the knees or shoulders?
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Could anyone explain the non free to Vlastuin for high contact that apparently wasn’t
From what I heard from the commentators it was something to do with it wasn’t a free because he invited contact even though he didn’t drop the knees or shoulders?
"Apparently" he lifted his arm which propelled the tacklers arm into his head. "Evidently" you are not allowed to lift your arm when you are getting tackled. Fairytale stuff.
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Can anyone explain how they reviewed the 2 goals we were paid but were 'touched' but did not review a Dockers mark on the line which looked to be over?
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Could anyone explain the non free to Vlastuin for high contact that apparently wasn’t
From what I heard from the commentators it was something to do with it wasn’t a free because he invited contact even though he didn’t drop the knees or shoulders?
"Apparently" he lifted his arm which propelled the tacklers arm into his head. "Evidently" you are not allowed to lift your arm when you are getting tackled. Fairytale stuff.
Thanks very baffling
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Dimma gave them another rocket regarding the goal review. Good lol, but I hope the AFL don't respond with the only way they know how .....
:rollin
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The umpires have been disgraceful. Today they were complete crap.
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Dimma gave them another rocket regarding the goal review. Good lol, but I hope the AFL don't respond with the only way they know how .....
:rollin
:clapping
Here's the vision of Higgins' goal review:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-05-26/round-10-higgins-goal-review-whats-your-call
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Some frees are thee but others could go either way.there is a bias against Richmond these days.I note the umpires tried to even up after we had won the game
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The non goal for Higgins was disgraceful
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The non goal for Higgins was disgraceful
Arrant cheating from my point of view.
It was so clearly an obviously a goal - only blatant one sided adjudicating can explain that call. A howler is a bad decision in the moment which can be accepted as they happen often enough. This is a review which has the benefit of slow motion and pauses. The ball was so clearly and obviously a foot behind the line before it was touched I cannot fathom how any unbiased person could call that a point. The equivalent of an edge being taken at 2nd slip, called by the on-field umpire and snicko showing a filthy great edge being overturned.
The person upstairs should be immediately removed from their post, absolutely and without discussion.
But, ya know, soft draws and #freekickrichmond right?
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What’s our luck on goal review in the last two years?
I think we’ve lost more than have gone our way. Probably tracking just as bad as the free kicks differential.
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Dim view: Hardwick slams review system
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
May 26, 2018 5:45PM
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has blasted the AFL's score review system as an "embarrassment" after a Jack Higgins shot at goal was confusingly ruled a behind in Saturday's win over St Kilda.
The first-year Tiger had a shot from 50 metres in the third term of his side's 28-point win.
The goal umpire is understood to have believed it was a goal before it was touched by Saints big man Tom Hickey, but it was referred to the goal review system, which ruled it a behind, despite replays not conclusively showing it was touched before fully passing the goal line.
Hardwick questioned why the game should stop despite the goal umpire's initial call Higgins' kick was a goal.
"So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about the we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre? And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing," Hardwick said post-game.
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable.
"What do you reckon the technology is going to be like in Alice Springs this week [when Melbourne and Adelaide play on Sunday]? Might as well get the Hubble telescope to come and give us a snapshot."
The Hubble telescope is based in space and operated by NASA.
Higgins' goal would have put Richmond up by 19 points early in the third term, but after it was disallowed the Saints struck back with four quick goals to snatch the lead.
Another incident saw Dustin Martin snap a goal in the final term, with a review found to be inconclusive whether Logan Austin touched the football, so the decision was made to go with the umpire's call.
St Kilda coach Alan Richardson was unimpressed with that decision, although not to the degree that Hardwick was.
"They were confusing today. I thought we were probably a little bit lucky on one. It looked like the ball that Hickey touched had cleared the line," Richardson said.
"I thought that Logan Austin's looked like he'd clearly touched it.
"Today it didn't work. I'm not sure whether it's embarrassing or not, but it was ineffective today."
Richmond was good enough to restore its composure after the Higgins incident, take the advantage by the final change and then comfortably run out winners. Hardwick said the moment had "flattened" him in the coaches' box but wasn't a factor in the Saints' run at that stage.
"They were playing a great brand of footy then. We needed that goal then, there's no doubt about it, but it is what it is. There's not much we could do about it," he said.
A goal to Dustin Martin in the fourth term was also sent to the score review system before being given the all-clear.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-26/dim-view-hardwick-slams-review-system
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".....Hubble Telescope..." thats a classic swipe by Dimma, good on him, sick of being on the wrong end of these ludicrous goal reviews.
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Looks like the video review ump pulled out the old 'the flags are part of the post' trick. So even if the ball is fully across the line it's still level with the flags that are sticking out backwards behind the post (sometimes half a foot depending on how the goal umpire puts the flags in the slot). It's a ridiculous and ambiguous "rule". Why have a goal line on the ground if it's not used for judging the goal line?! :huh3 ::) :banghead
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I was always taught that the padding on the goal post only ever comes into play if the ball touches it on the way through the goal. Otherwise the white line is the defualt guide as to whether the entire ball has passed through the goal mouth, the rule must have been changed.
If thats not the case then have a 30cm wide line and be done with it. If the padding is going to be used as a guide then surely that extends in all directions so if a ball is kicked and ever so slightly just misses the post then you could say that the padding if extended up the goal post means that the ball would have touched it and therefore should be deemed a point, cant see how it can be applied in one instance but not in another.
Have seen countless times in the past when players have dived goalkeeper style to touch a ball when kicked along the ground through the goal and never once has the conversation been about touching it before it went passed the line of the padding.
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Ball crossed the line end of story if umpire said it was a goal so why go to the video must be blind as a bat.
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I am waiting to here the AFL's explanation of the Higgins review.
Maybe it was touched of his boot, cause I sure as hell can't see how it wasn't a straight up goal. Even the Saints players thought it was.
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I am still just trying to understand what happened to the 50 metre penalty after Jack was knocked out :huh3
Umpire reported the thug so it is supposed to be an automatic 50
As a friend says alot during game "ump, get a rule book" :banghead
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They seriously need to revisit this goal review crap, leave it for the howlers ffs
Don't start me on the umpires
Game is so over umpired it’s not stuffing funny any more
If you insignificant umpires want to be part of the game and make poofy decisions be consistent at the very least and then we can just bury the game we used to love
Let it stuffing go and leave it at that
Rant over
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https://au.sports.yahoo.com/embarrassment-game-hardwick-slams-afl-goal-reviews-073129018.html
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When you look at the stills like that it's not even an issue of perspective, parallax or anything like that which may make it appear that the ball hasn't crossed the flag or the final single atom of the padding. It has clearly crossed the line, the goal umpire's decision was correct and it was nothing short of cheating to over turn it.
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The still shot by itself proves nothing! A frame or two before may be completely conclusive, but how can anybody tell unless those frames are presented too?
Bring in High Definition, High Speed cameras or GAGF!
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The funny thing is my mobile phone does 960fps and is demonstrably cleaner in slow motion than the technology used by the MCC........
Go figure!
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The still shot by itself proves nothing! A frame or two before may be completely conclusive, but how can anybody tell unless those frames are presented too?
Bring in High Definition, High Speed cameras or GAGF!
The full replay of it clearly shows the hamds touch the ball AFTER it crossed the line
The fact the incompetents in the review didn't look at all vision is the bigger issue. They looked at one version and made a decision..the wrong one :banghead
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Vision showed on foxtel clearly a goal
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The funny thing is my mobile phone does 960fps and is demonstrably cleaner in slow motion than the technology used by the MCC........
Go figure!
Bingo! Even the white cane the umpires used to use was in High Definition! :help
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The still shot by itself proves nothing! A frame or two before may be completely conclusive, but how can anybody tell unless those frames are presented too?
Bring in High Definition, High Speed cameras or GAGF!
The full replay of it clearly shows the hamds touch the ball AFTER it crossed the line
The fact the incompetents in the review didn't look at all vision is the bigger issue. They looked at one version and made a decision..the wrong one :banghead
Has it been stated definitively from the umpire department that the review person/s involved only looked at the one vision? How do we know this as a fact?
How do we know they didn’t looked at all vision available and still made decision?
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Hocking has 'sympathy' for Dimma over review
Trent Masenhelder
afl.com.au
May 27, 2018 4:03PM
A day after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick labelled the controversial score review system "deplorable" and "an embarrassment to our game", the AFL has conceded it needs some tweaking.
Hardwick delivered a scathing attack on the score review system during his post-match media conference on Saturday, perplexed by the decision to overturn a seemingly obvious Jack Higgins goal during the third term of Richmond's clash with St Kilda.
AFL general manager of football Steven Hocking could sympathise with Hardwick after the Tigers also copped a tough call in the round six win over Collingwood.
"I've got a bit of sympathy for them because there's no doubt the Tigers have been on the wrong end of a number of those at the MCG this year. I can understand his frustration around it," Hocking said on 3AW.
"We've definitely got the basis of a good system, but it needs some work."
In referencing the overturned Higgins goal on Saturday, Hardwick said post-match: "So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre?
"And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing,"
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
Hocking went on to outline the major issues with the current system.
"They (the reviewers) have access to different vision and I think that’s sort of where the disconnect at times happens. They tend to take it from a wider camera angle, whereas the broadcast feed is the camera that’s really close to the ball and it can distort the view of that," Hocking explained.
"I understand Damian … and acknowledge even fans and also the football industry that there's a bit of frustration around it.
"We've been very clear with the goal umpires that whatever their decision is, unless it's overwhelmingly obvious, you don't change it. We've communicated that to the score reviewers, and clearly we need to continue to do that."
When asked if Richmond was robbed of a goal in its win over the Saints, Hocking said: "No, they weren't. If you're looking at what you've seen, it's a different angle. We'll clear that up during the week," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-27/tigers-goal-review-call-wrong-afl
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Hocking has 'sympathy' for Dimma over review
Trent Masenhelder
afl.com.au
May 27, 2018 4:03PM
A day after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick labelled the controversial score review system "deplorable" and "an embarrassment to our game", the AFL has conceded it needs some tweaking.
Hardwick delivered a scathing attack on the score review system during his post-match media conference on Saturday, perplexed by the decision to overturn a seemingly obvious Jack Higgins goal during the third term of Richmond's clash with St Kilda.
AFL general manager of football Steven Hocking could sympathise with Hardwick after the Tigers also copped a tough call in the round six win over Collingwood.
"I've got a bit of sympathy for them because there's no doubt the Tigers have been on the wrong end of a number of those at the MCG this year. I can understand his frustration around it," Hocking said on 3AW.
"We've definitely got the basis of a good system, but it needs some work."
In referencing the overturned Higgins goal on Saturday, Hardwick said post-match: "So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre?
"And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing,"
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
Hocking went on to outline the major issues with the current system.
"They (the reviewers) have access to different vision and I think that’s sort of where the disconnect at times happens. They tend to take it from a wider camera angle, whereas the broadcast feed is the camera that’s really close to the ball and it can distort the view of that," Hocking explained.
"I understand Damian … and acknowledge even fans and also the football industry that there's a bit of frustration around it.
"We've been very clear with the goal umpires that whatever their decision is, unless it's overwhelmingly obvious, you don't change it. We've communicated that to the score reviewers, and clearly we need to continue to do that."
When asked if Richmond was robbed of a goal in its win over the Saints, Hocking said: "No, they weren't. If you're looking at what you've seen, it's a different angle. We'll clear that up during the week," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-27/tigers-goal-review-call-wrong-afl
Yeah let’s see them release this imaginary footage which proves conclusively it wasn’t over the line......
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Why then doesn’t the broadcaster and the venue scoreboard only show what the review umpire sees? Then everyone is on the same page.
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Hocking has 'sympathy' for Dimma over review
Trent Masenhelder
afl.com.au
May 27, 2018 4:03PM
A day after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick labelled the controversial score review system "deplorable" and "an embarrassment to our game", the AFL has conceded it needs some tweaking.
Hardwick delivered a scathing attack on the score review system during his post-match media conference on Saturday, perplexed by the decision to overturn a seemingly obvious Jack Higgins goal during the third term of Richmond's clash with St Kilda.
AFL general manager of football Steven Hocking could sympathise with Hardwick after the Tigers also copped a tough call in the round six win over Collingwood.
"I've got a bit of sympathy for them because there's no doubt the Tigers have been on the wrong end of a number of those at the MCG this year. I can understand his frustration around it," Hocking said on 3AW.
"We've definitely got the basis of a good system, but it needs some work."
In referencing the overturned Higgins goal on Saturday, Hardwick said post-match: "So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre?
"And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing,"
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
Hocking went on to outline the major issues with the current system.
"They (the reviewers) have access to different vision and I think that’s sort of where the disconnect at times happens. They tend to take it from a wider camera angle, whereas the broadcast feed is the camera that’s really close to the ball and it can distort the view of that," Hocking explained.
"I understand Damian … and acknowledge even fans and also the football industry that there's a bit of frustration around it.
"We've been very clear with the goal umpires that whatever their decision is, unless it's overwhelmingly obvious, you don't change it. We've communicated that to the score reviewers, and clearly we need to continue to do that."
When asked if Richmond was robbed of a goal in its win over the Saints, Hocking said: "No, they weren't. If you're looking at what you've seen, it's a different angle. We'll clear that up during the week," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-27/tigers-goal-review-call-wrong-afl
Yeah let’s see them release this imaginary footage which proves conclusively it wasn’t over the line......
They are working on the photoshop as we speak
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The umpies love us
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Hocking has 'sympathy' for Dimma over review
Trent Masenhelder
afl.com.au
May 27, 2018 4:03PM
A day after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick labelled the controversial score review system "deplorable" and "an embarrassment to our game", the AFL has conceded it needs some tweaking.
Hardwick delivered a scathing attack on the score review system during his post-match media conference on Saturday, perplexed by the decision to overturn a seemingly obvious Jack Higgins goal during the third term of Richmond's clash with St Kilda.
AFL general manager of football Steven Hocking could sympathise with Hardwick after the Tigers also copped a tough call in the round six win over Collingwood.
"I've got a bit of sympathy for them because there's no doubt the Tigers have been on the wrong end of a number of those at the MCG this year. I can understand his frustration around it," Hocking said on 3AW.
"We've definitely got the basis of a good system, but it needs some work."
In referencing the overturned Higgins goal on Saturday, Hardwick said post-match: "So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre?
"And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing,"
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
Hocking went on to outline the major issues with the current system.
"They (the reviewers) have access to different vision and I think that’s sort of where the disconnect at times happens. They tend to take it from a wider camera angle, whereas the broadcast feed is the camera that’s really close to the ball and it can distort the view of that," Hocking explained.
"I understand Damian … and acknowledge even fans and also the football industry that there's a bit of frustration around it.
"We've been very clear with the goal umpires that whatever their decision is, unless it's overwhelmingly obvious, you don't change it. We've communicated that to the score reviewers, and clearly we need to continue to do that."
When asked if Richmond was robbed of a goal in its win over the Saints, Hocking said: "No, they weren't. If you're looking at what you've seen, it's a different angle. We'll clear that up during the week," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-27/tigers-goal-review-call-wrong-afl
Yeah let’s see them release this imaginary footage which proves conclusively it wasn’t over the line......
They are working on the photoshop as we speak
Same crew as 911 :shh
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/northkoreanewsreader.jpg)
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Yeah let’s see them release this imaginary footage which proves conclusively it wasn’t over the line......
They are working on the photoshop as we speak
The official score review footage looks genuine to me :whistle.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/GoalLineReview.jpg)
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Why then doesn’t the broadcaster and the venue scoreboard only show what the review umpire sees? Then everyone is on the same page.
You are being way too logical :snidegrin
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My solution would be to have some adjudicate without any adgenda or bias and just call it as they see it (and perhaps have someone who's eyes arnt painted on).
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My solution is to scrap the whole system. We don’t use it at any other part of the game so pee it off.
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My solution is to scrap the whole system. We don’t use it at any other part of the game so pee it off.
Exactly. Rance has his arm held, free kick missed, Saints score a goal. Why is this not reviewed too?
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I think that the most important criticism Dimma has of the review system is being missed.
That is, it is a momentum killer for both the game itself and the crowd watching.
We want footy to be watchable, that is why we like the game. If that means copping a few howlers, so be it. I have generally thought that the goal umpires are remarkably accurate in their calls. You get the odd bad one, but often they make calls that are too close to call anyway. In that situation, I bet the human decision is typically better, and probably more in tune to the game.
Case in point. Higgins kicks a goal. Umpire calls for a review. Game stops while we wait and get restless. Goal is overturned. Saints kick the next 4 against the flow of the game to that point.
The AFL would be a damn side smarter to try and improve the consistency of the central umpires. Indeed, I think this goal review garbage is simply a smokescreen to cover up a serious problem they have with the central umpiring.
And let's face it, we all (every follower of an AFL team) like to be able to have a whinge if we don't win.
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The inconsistency kills me. We get mugged all game and can't win a free for it but we look cockeyed at one of them and they fall over themselves to give them a free and a fifty if they aren't quite in range. In every game I have seen our players held onto or tackled so they cannot attack the ball and it is all clear.
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We may as well just walk onto the field with our pants down to our ankles
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At least we didn't cop the worst decision of all tme like Fremantle did with that no free to Hamling call....though that umpire's probably earnt himself the dreamtime gig now... :shh
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At least we didn't cop the worst decision of all tme like Fremantle did with that no free to Hamling call....though that umpire's probably earnt himself the dreamtime gig now... :shh
Saw that non decision. I couldn’t believe it and then I couldn’t believe Dermie had trouble deciding on whether or not it was a good or bad decision. :lol
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AFL will stress video review operators to only overrule blatant errors after contentious MCG call
Jon Ralph, Chris Cavanagh,
Herald Sun
28 May 2018
THE AFL will this week stress to its video review operators they should only overrule blatant errors and not lineball decisions.
The league yesterday said that Jack Higgins’ overruled goal was the correct decision despite outcry from the AFL community.
But the Herald Sun understands AFL football operations boss Steve Hocking will effectively tell the video operators not to attempt to be heroes with difficult calls.
Only when there is overwhelming evidence should they change the decision made by the goal umpire on the day.
The league is expected to clarify the process in a statement this afternoon.
Richmond legend Matthew Richardson jokingly said goal umpires were becoming irrelevant because their decisions were rarely upheld.
The AFL tells the “third umpire” it should always use the camera angle furthest from the ball to avoid distortion of the lens.
On Saturday the camera angle furthest from the ball appeared to indicate not all of the ball was over the line when St Kilda’s Tom Hickey touched Tiger Higgins’ long-range shot.
The Fox Footy angle closer to the ball — which could have been affected by distortion — showed the ball clearly over the line.
Regardless, a decision that is impacted by the distortion of a camera angle should not be overturned.
Hocking told 3AW yesterday that there was the basis for a quality system, having ruled out a “bunker” trialled by the AFL in 2016.
“We have been very clear with the goal umpires. Whatever their position is, unless it’s overwhelmingly obvious you don’t change it,” he said.”
And we have communicated that to the score reviewers and clearly we need to continue to do that.
“The angle everyone has seen is different to the one that is used for the review. That is the one we need to sort out.”
Asked if Richmond was robbed, he made clear the right decision had been made regardless of the process.
“No, they weren’t. When you’re looking at what you’ve seen that is a different angle. We’ll clear that up during the week.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-labels-score-review-system-an-embarrassment-after-contentious-decision-at-mcg/news-story/0f85e136f46b40110c9d2b10ee82e144
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The review system should not be shown to the audience either at the ground or on TV. Just let them make the call and move on.
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Watch as the Bombers score a goal against us that should have been reviewed and wont be, Tigers seem to be the proverbial crash dummies.
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[smasha]No coincidence the first ever free kick for a deliberate rushed behind was awarded against us too.... :shh[/smasha]
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[smasha]No coincidence the first ever free kick for a deliberate rushed behind was awarded against us too.... :shh[/smasha]
Thanks smasha. :lol
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According to SEN, Foxsports/FoxFooty is reporting that the AFL has just come out and said Jack Higgins goal should have stood.
#aflscorereviewstuffup
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Official complaint should be lodged by the club.
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Wasn’t there a goal review against us that was clearly a point and they pressed the wrong button and awarded a goal?
It’s like the whole system goes pair shaped when it’s our game.
They must have Ol’ Betamax Jackson pressing he buttons. :rollin
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[smasha]No coincidence the first ever free kick for a deliberate rushed behind was awarded against us too.... :shh[/smasha]
Thanks smasha. :lol
And cost us the game. Drew with the Saints that night, in 2011.
Disgrace.
Dont forget Richos match winning goal in 2007 being taken off him in the dreamtime match by the new "hands in the back" interpretation first being implemented.
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Official complaint should be lodged by the club.
imagine if we miss out on top 4 by 0.05%..... :shh
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Richmond legend Matthew Richardson jokingly said goal umpires were becoming irrelevant because their decisions were rarely upheld.
:lol
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Only thing more embarrassing then the decision to overturn the goal, was hocking saying yesterday we weren’t robbed of a goal and saying they’d release the footage to the public during the week only to then come out today and say it actually was an incorrect decision :wallywink.
Bloody clowns, this goal review has been nothing but a complete failure and you only have to listen to the crowds reaction every time the umpire motions for it for proof. And why oh why do the goal umpires request for the goal to be reviewed in the first place when we are told at every opportunity that every goal gets reviewed on the way back to the bounce anyway. Shambles.
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Only thing more embarrassing then the decision to overturn the goal, was hocking saying yesterday we weren’t robbed of a goal and saying they’d release the footage to the public during the week only to then come out today and say it actually was an incorrect decision :wallywink.
Bloody clowns, this goal review has been nothing but a complete failure and you only have to listen to the crowds reaction every time the umpire motions for it for proof. And why oh why do the goal umpires request for the goal to be reviewed in the first place when we are told at every opportunity that every goal gets reviewed on the way back to the bounce anyway. Shambles.
:clapping
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AFL admits error on Tigers' score review
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
May 28, 2018 4:45PM
THE AFL has admitted it made a blunder with its score review technology that cost Richmond a goal in its win over St Kilda on Saturday.
The League added the Tigers had been on the wrong end of a run of score reviews so far this year.
The latest controversy surrounded a shot by young Tiger Jack Higgins in the third term of Richmond's clash. His kick was at first called a goal by the goal umpire before it was reviewed and ruled a behind, despite replays not conclusively showing it was touched before it passed the goal line.
Football operations manager Steve Hocking on Monday said the score review had erred in overturning the original call of a goal, as there had not been sufficient evidence to rule it a behind.
Hocking said the score reviewers were instructed to make quick decisions but that the wrong one had been made on the weekend.
"I would repeat again that the overall mechanics of the score review system are good for the game in correcting errors and ensuring against wrong decisions, with some 29 reviews this season reaching a decision that corrected an original error," Hocking said.
"That said, when an overrule decision is made that is incorrect or confusing for fans, such as the decision in Saturday's game, all of that good work is quickly undone and clubs, players and fans will lose faith in the process of going to a score review.
"It will continue to be educated to the review staff as the highest priority that when it comes to an over-rule the vision must be beyond reasonable doubt, or to revert to the original decision made by the umpire on-field."
Higgins' non-goal drew a fierce reaction from Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who labelled the score review system an "embarrassment" after the game.
"He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about the we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre? And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing," Hardwick said.
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
The AFL said the Tigers had been unlucky in score reviews throughout the season.
"The Richmond Football Club has had score reviews in its games in the first part of the season that the AFL acknowledges were not performed to the expected standard. The AFL will continue to coach and educate the staff involved around what is expected in their roles," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-28/afl-admits-error-on-tigers-score-review
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In other words, the AFL has admitted they've continually shafted us and cost us goals and momentum in games this year ::).
Monsieur Myop and Mr Magoo clearly doing the video score review at Richmond games ::).
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"The Richmond Football Club has had score reviews in its games in the first part of the season that the AFL acknowledges were not performed to the expected standard. The AFL will continue to coach and educate the staff involved around what is expected in their roles," Hocking said
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-28/afl-admits-error-on-tigers-score-review
What is their "expected standard" exactly?
I don't think they have any standard they want to adhere to at all - they've stuffed this up. It's been a farce from the moment it was introduced
get rid if it
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Damian Barrett Says The Official Who Did The Jack Higgins Score Review No Longer Works For The AFL
On the Friday Huddle
Rudi Edsall
MMM
2 June 2018
Triple M Footy news breaker Damian Barrett has said that the the official who was responsible for last weekend’s disastrous score review in the Richmond v St Kilda game no longer works for the AFL.
Jack Higgins kicked what looked like a goal in the Tigers’ win over St Kilda last week, but a score review overturned the decision.
The AFL’s head of football operations Steve Hocking initially backed the call, before the league conceded that they got it wrong earlier this week.
On the Friday Huddle tonight, Damo said that the person responsible for the call no longer works for the AFL.
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/damian-barrett-says-the-official-who-did-the-jack-higgins-score-review-no-longer-works-for-the-afl
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Wasn’t there a goal review against us that was clearly a point and they pressed the wrong button and awarded a goal?
It’s like the whole system goes pair shaped when it’s our game.
They must have Ol’ Betamax Jackson pressing he buttons. :rollin
Yeah, good ol Betamax.
Recruited most of the premiership team last year with little or no support for the first 5 years
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Oh ffs, let's not start getting all rose coloured revisionist and sentimental about Hackson now.... ::)
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Based on the games so far this round, get ready tonight for the game being over-umpired with 50m penalties galore :help. The Hawks vs Port match has had 8 of them in only one-half :o.
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Wasn’t there a goal review against us that was clearly a point and they pressed the wrong button and awarded a goal?
It’s like the whole system goes pair shaped when it’s our game.
They must have Ol’ Betamax Jackson pressing he buttons. :rollin
Yeah, good ol Betamax.
Recruited most of the premiership team last year with little or no support for the first 5 years
I call rubbish to that. He is rubbish and if he is so good why isn’t he still doing the job? You are greatly mistaken.
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Good, bad or indifferent, he still recruited the majority of our premiership team. No one can take that away from him.
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Why are we giving away so many frees these days? It must be tactical.
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Why are we giving away so many frees these days? It must be tactical.
Our team pressure game would be part of it and apparently Nank is giving a few frees away this year in the ruck. However, for a top side we get poor run with the umps as the AFL admitted during the week with the score review system.
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It isn't helped when you have a space cadet like Butler giving away really dumb 50s.
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Can someone explain why last week when Jack got ko'd he didnt get a 50, but in the hawks port game, robbie gray did the exact same thing but didnt ko his opponent, however, a 50 was given??
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Who is in charge oof plyers feet over the line on kick ins after a behind?
Ess did it all the time last night
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Am I the only one that felt the Martin free was completely there?
Everyone else seems to be crying shoft decision. I saw both players jostling for position, Dusty push Hurley out to protect space, and then Hurley fool Martins arm as he lost ground. Thats a black and white free kick for mine.
Edit. Hurley re.tarted Martins arm. Lol at "swear" filter.
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Am I the only one that felt the Martin free was completely there?
Everyone else seems to be crying shoft decision. I saw both players jostling for position, Dusty push Hurley out to protect space, and then Hurley fool Martins arm as he lost ground. Thats a black and white free kick for mine.
Agree
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AFL CEO says score review errors are unacceptable
By Ben Gibson
SEN
13 June 2018
AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan says the errors made when using the score review system are unacceptable.
“It p----s me off when there’s mistakes,” McLachlan said on SEN's Whateley.
“To have score review mistakes is unacceptable.”
Despite the recent errors made, McLachlan believes the score review “100 percent” does enough good to outweigh the bad.
“I think it’s a ridiculous notion to get rid of it,” he said.
After an incorrect review overturned the on-field decision to award Essendon’s Jake Stringer a goal against Brisbane on Sunday, the review system has faced heavy scrutiny.
But McLachlan says “a fair discussion” is whether the system should no longer be used to determine if a ball brushes the fingers off the boot.
“It’s not ‘scrap the whole thing’,” he said.
“It’s ‘do we actually finesse it a bit or tone it down and stop trying to solve stuff which is too hard to do, like a touch from 50 metres, so we’ll limit its purview?’
“If you did that, then that’s a fair conversation. Getting rid of it is not.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/06/13/afl-ceo-says-score-review-errors-are-unacceptable/
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Stuff me they are putrid
Not giving Rance frees because of the media bullpoo is just wrong
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Become beyond a joke club needs to approach afl with vision frees payed to other teams we dont get.
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Umps wearing these horizontal hooped glasses today.
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Free kick bonanza
After Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge questioned the trial of four umpires on Thursday night, the spotlight went onto the same group of officials who backed up three days later. Nick Foot, Brett Rosebury, Simon Meredith and Jacob Mollison combined for 53 free kicks, four more than they paid in Adelaide. It saw the competition average rise to 47.5 across the six matches for the weekend, up from 43 paid across round 12. Two 50-metre penalties in the second term left fans bemused with Kamdyn McIntosh and Tom Stewart's protected zone infringements resulting in direct goals.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-17/five-talking-points-geelong-v-richmond
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Lost my poo at cats supporters trying to defend every 50/50 they got when we get none
Then they pulled out the old if it was at Kardinia, which incited more from me
stuff I hate Geeflog still salty about last year .., stuff them
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I know why the rule was introduced, but they have to do something about the diving in/contact below the knees rule.
Jack Graham got penalised in the last qtr today when he was the only player going for the ball. A Geelong player just basically watched him go hard at the footy, and then got a free kick for it because Jack dived head first on the pill. Graham didn't even look to be heading in the direction of the Geelong player, more parallel to him.
Stuff me, if you are going to reward the bloke who is not making a contest and going for the ball, then you are going to stuff the fundamentals of the game.
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Will Danger cop the same treatment as Rance for his flop against Dusty?
Jack getting coathangered in a marking contest right in front of goal pretty much sums up our treatment from umpires this season.
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It's the free kicks we dont get that do my head in....our players held off the ball all day....third quarter in particular was an absolute disgrace - Martin at the first bounce, Rioli twice with a couple of minutes...Lambert in the lead up to a Geelong goal...just to name four...
...and as usual Riewoldt needs to be assaulted with a stuffing iron bar before he gets a free...and even then it would probably be a toss up...so much for thinking the addition off a fourth idiot to proceedings might see him finally get a break....
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Lost my poo at cats supporters trying to defend every 50/50 they got when we get none
Then they pulled out the old if it was at Kardinia, which incited more from me
stuff I hate Geeflog still salty about last year .., stuff them
Geelong supporters are the worst in terms of their knowledge of the rules and that’s saying something when you consider how clueless the scum cheats and crows and eagles supporters are about even the most basic rules.
In my experience, Surprisingly, the filth supporters aren’t as bad as you’d expect but I know there are exceptions with all teams supporters.
I can confidently now say that Geelong supporters are generally the most clueless in terms of knowing the rules I’d say after today and history would suggest that the cats supporters are probably the most clueless of all supporters.
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The northern club's supporters are easily the most clueless though that's probably to be expected given their circumstances... :shh
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It's the free kicks we dont get that do my head in....our players held off the ball all day....third quarter in particular was an absolute disgrace - Martin at the first bounce, Rioli twice with a couple of minutes...Lambert in the lead up to a Geelong goal...just to name four...
...and as usual Riewoldt needs to be assaulted with a stuffing iron bar before he gets a free...and even then it would probably be a toss up...so much for thinking the addition off a fourth idiot to proceedings might see him finally get a break....
That's the problem with a game where just about every rule is open to interpretation. Adding a fourth umpire doesn't improve anything, it just adds another interpretation.
Reckon our players should just start throwing their arms out like inflatable tube men when they're being held. Seems to work every time for darlings like Geelong.
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I know everyone has heard this before but if they only paid the free kicks that actually impede the player going for the footy instead of looking at every contest as a chance to pay a free kick.
Every year in the finals they put the whistle away and it’s a better game.
If someone’s hand is resting on an oppositions back in a marking contest and doesn’t actually push the player, don’t call it. Pretty simple.
That 3rd quarter yesterday was BS!
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'Let the players play', Hardwick pleads
Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
Jun 29, 2018
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has pleaded with the umpires to "let the players play".
Hardwick appeared to approach the emergency umpire at three-quarter time, upset with a late decision to award Sydney star Lance Franklin with a 50m penalty that resulted in a goal.
Alex Rance had smothered Franklin's shot on the stroke of three-quarter time, though was adjudged to have encroached on the mark – which led to the 50m penalty.
The goal brought Sydney to within 10 points of Richmond going into the final term, but the Tigers were able to withhold the visitors' surge and claim a satisfying 26-point win.
Asked whether the 50m penalty that gave Franklin the third of his four goals was the source of Hardwick's frustration, he replied: "Frustration is a kind word."
A total of 43 free kicks were awarded in an entertaining game of footy, with the AFL reverting back to three umpires this week – having trialled four across the past fortnight.
However, despite praising the four-umpire trial, Hardwick suggested those officiating the game should stop searching for free kicks and only pay the obvious ones.
"Just let the players play," Hardwick said.
"I'm a big advocate for the four umpires, I just don't think we've got the positioning right of those four umpires.
"If free kicks are there, let's pay them. But let's not be inventing free kicks that aren't there."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-28/let-the-players-play-hardwick-pleads
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"If free kicks are there, let's pay them. But let's not be inventing free kicks that aren't there.".
This spot on.
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Yet another example of the special Buddy rule about running around on the angle when he kicked the goal in the second.
The free kick was given on the boundary line where Short had the ball.
Looking at the replays of the goal, Buddy kicked from about 15 metres inside the boundary.
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Something that needs to be queried with the AFL. Surely the minute he walks off the line which forms the original marking position then it is play on as far as i am concerned, they certainly dont hesitate when Dusty or Jack does similar.
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On the smother at 3/4 time, looked to be completely fair, I watched Rance carefully from where I was sitting. stuffing woeful decision imo, can anyone else clarify if he actually stepped over the mark?
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On the smother at 3/4 time, looked to be completely fair, I watched Rance carefully from where I was sitting. stuffing woeful decision imo, can anyone else clarify if he actually stepped over the mark?
I heard Big RAZOR Ray say "he jumped 2 metres over the mark". I thought he was on the mark to be honest, if he was over it wasn't by much.
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On the smother at 3/4 time, looked to be completely fair, I watched Rance carefully from where I was sitting. stuffing woeful decision imo, can anyone else clarify if he actually stepped over the mark?
I heard Big RAZOR Ray say "he jumped 2 metres over the mark". I thought he was on the mark to be honest, if he was over it wasn't by much.
Rance started on the 50m line and went forward 2m to effect the spoil. Not sure where the mark was set by the ump but if Rance was over the mark at 52m then why wasn't the mark reset at 0m out from the goal after the 50 meter penalty was applied? Have a look how far out it was set then go back to where Rance was.
Someone was wrong.
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Rayzor should've been put out to pasture years ago. The Billy Bowden of the AFL.
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Have a close look at most smothers from players on the mark and i think you will find the umps would have a case to give a 50m penalty on most occasions. Of course we are the only team they would pay it against, Richmond, the crash dummy for umpiring decisions.
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Last night was the best umpired H&A game Ive seen in years, so many tiggy touchwood frees that usually get paid were let go last night and it made the game that much better.
State of the game? Have a look at the way your stuffing umpires adjudicate and disrupt the flow with their inane frees.
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Umpiring puts 'ducking practice' on Dimma's agenda
Sarah Black
afl.com.au
Jul 15, 2018
'DUCKING practice' could be on the agenda at Punt Road this week after Greater Western Sydney inflicted Richmond's fourth interstate loss of the season.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick couldn't resist a tongue-in-cheek swipe at the umpiring of several tackles during his side's thrilling two-point loss to the Giants at Spotless Stadium.
GWS forward Toby Greene drew a free kick for high contact in a tackle by Tiger defender Nick Vlastuin in the dying minutes of the second quarter, which resulted in a goal.
Earlier in the term, Dustin Martin appealed in vain for a high-contact free kick after being tackled while his head was over the ball, only to be penalised for holding the ball moments later.
"Look, I can't really comment on the umpiring, but it would be fair to say we're going to do a bit of ducking practice at training tonight," Hardwick said with a laugh.
"The game is incredibly hard to umpire, let's make no mistake about that. It was a pretty good contest, transition-wise it was up and back and it's tough. They get a lot right. Sometimes they get some wrong. That's life.
"The game, as I said, I don't think was dominated by umpiring tonight, I thought we saw a pretty good game of footy that we should be looking at the game and that's how it should be played. Two sides going at it for a long period of time and one side got out the winner."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-14/umpiring-puts-ducking-practice-on-dimmas-agenda
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Speaking of dirty grubs, did anyone else notice Toby Green collect the ball and then deliberately launch himself at he knees of the nearby Richmond player. I nearly jumped through the TV to belt the filthy grub.
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Speaking of dirty grubs, did anyone else notice Toby Green collect the ball and then deliberately launch himself at he knees of the nearby Richmond player. I nearly jumped through the TV to belt the filthy grub.
Something happened in the second quarter that left Rance on all fours on the goal line after GWS kick a goal
The Grub was walking away with his "what me look?"
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Speaking of dirty grubs, did anyone else notice Toby Green collect the ball and then deliberately launch himself at he knees of the nearby Richmond player. I nearly jumped through the TV to belt the filthy grub.
Yep, that was htb everyday of the week
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stuffing local element bs. Sometimes I really wonder if this crap ain't just WWF scripts.
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Toby Greene - the most punchable head in the AFL since the glory days of Milne & Ballantyne....
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Toby Greene - the most punchable head in the AFL since the glory days of Milne & Ballantyne....
Followed closely by Viney :shh
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GWS and Richmond were both underwhelmed by some critical umpiring decisions on Saturday night, with Damien Hardwick quipping his club will now do some "ducking practice".
The Giants pipped the Tigers by two points at Spotless Stadium, with the margin giving both teams plenty of fodder to wonder "what if" had a couple of contentious calls gone their way.
Both Leon Cameron and Damien Hardwick were underwhelmed by umpiring decisions on Saturday night.
GWS coach Leon Cameron indicated his club will contact the the league's umpiring department on Monday, seeking clarification on a number of calls.
Many pundits commented on how the whistle-blowers' interpretation of holding the ball at Spotless seemed different to what it has been for most of the year.
Tigers coach Hardwick and counterpart Cameron both aired some grievances in their post-match press conferences.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/gws-seek-clarification-on-afl-umpire-calls-20180715-p4zrlu.html
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Did their best to support the Ainters
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Did their best to support the Ainters
stuffen bunch of geeks
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Tonight's umpiring was laughable.
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Were they experimenting with no head high free kicks for Richmond players today?
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diving into players backs, No prior opportunity tackling off of the ball was all the rage this week. Do they have a list of poo they are going to stuff up each week to 'be edgy' or just send me to an early stuffing grave?
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diving into players backs, No prior opportunity tackling off of the ball was all the rage this week. Do they have a list of poo they are going to stuff up each week to 'be edgy' or just send me to an early stuffing grave?
As I posted in the game thread, explains why the Pies have the best free kick differential whereas we have the worst. Two different set of rules for each team.
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I was just waiting for Higgins to be called for a throw.
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The prior opportunity rule BS.
Protect the player making the play.
Their second goal I think it was when Broad got pinged for holding the ball was just wrong. As soon as he pick up the footy he got tackled and both players went to ground. The ball didnt spill out so it couldn’t be incorrect disposal, but a free goal was awarded.
Even a Collingwood supporter next me agreed it was BS.
It was that bald hole umpire that had no idea with that decision today.
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Was good to get the win, but time to bump this thread again that umpiring was woeful!
:banghead
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First half was borderline cheating.
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It's game like tonight that we need to make an official complaint. Absolutely biased against us tonight >:(. Not so much the frees paid but the ones that weren't. The Cats scragged us all night and HTB only applied to us with Geelong continually allowed to duck and drop the ball in the tackle.
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The worst decision out of many was Short copping a high tackle and slung in a dangerous tackle yet it was paid HTB and Geelong goaled ::).
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The two blatant deliberate out non calls were pretty telling. First one "came off the side of the boot" when he was facing the boundary, and the other in the second quarter when they just ran it over the line.'
All the non HtB decisions. So many times we get done for not making an attempt. They never did. They just went cold on the deck and it was a ball up. If they didn't do that they just threw it.
After Edward's non mark Higgo getting pulled out of the contest.
Short was lucky not to be knocked out with the high contact then sling tackle. Somehow it ended up a Geelong goal.
Selwood's constant ducking.
Sure some were missed our way (like Nank driving someone into the deck without the ball in the third I think it was?) but at one stage the frees were 12-3 when we were dominating. Free kicks aren't meant to be even but the discrepancy is wrong. I swear it's intentional for the theatre of it.
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A lot of the Cat frees get paid after the umpire see Selwood or Hawkins waving their arms and think they must have been infringed against.
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Selwood should have been sent off to replace his jumper that he menstruated all over.
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That call against Short for hold9jg the ball in the 3rd was a disgrace
It wasn't the head contact but the sling tackle after, pretty sure that's what should be deemed a dangerous tackle.or is it only dangerous if you get knocked out?
As I said earlier disgraceful
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Martin held off the ball at the centre bounce. no free....just like last time we played them....
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That call against Short for hold9jg the ball in the 3rd was a disgrace
It wasn't the head contact but the sling tackle after, pretty sure that's what should be deemed a dangerous tackle.or is it only dangerous if you get knocked out?
As I said earlier disgraceful
this.
absolute disgrace.
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Rampant Cheating
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That call against Short for hold9jg the ball in the 3rd was a disgrace
It wasn't the head contact but the sling tackle after, pretty sure that's what should be deemed a dangerous tackle.or is it only dangerous if you get knocked out?
As I said earlier disgraceful
Pathetic and Duckwood receiving his normal frees is absolute cheating....Duncan not far behind with his impersonations of Duckwood :banghead
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Interested to see if the AFL makes any comment re the sling on Short. If they do and its deemed as a sling tackle then essentially the umpires got it terribly wrong.
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Are we there yet minus 100 frees from team who gets the most.We a way below bottom.Gez minus 100 is laughable.
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Can someone explain the advantage rule, Lloyd halfway through his kicking action after we get a free and the ump calls plan on advantage. Could have been a vital moment in the scheme of things, another clanger by the umpires who had an opportunity to bring it back and didnt. Last night confirmed that umpires are human and that when you have a team who hasnt lost at the G for 18 games against a team coming home like a stream train that the umpires can get caught up in the moment and clearly favour the opposition.
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It was basically cheating imo.
As a Tigers supporter you walk away not talking about the game but feeling cheated even after a win.
The amount of times they were tackled and didn’t dispose of it properly was simply cheating.
Selwood is way to good a player to duck his like he does and should be called on it by the commentators. He consistently does it week in week out.
The clubs needs to come out and make a formal complaint soon as this bias will cost us a game soon and potentially a big game.
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Can someone explain the advantage rule, Lloyd halfway through his kicking action after we get a free and the ump calls plan on advantage. Could have been a vital moment in the scheme of things, another clanger by the umpires who had an opportunity to bring it back and didnt. Last night confirmed that umpires are human and that when you have a team who hasnt lost at the G for 18 games against a team coming home like a stream train that the umpires can get caught up in the moment and clearly favour the opposition.
They were allowed to replay an advantage that didn’t work out for them earlier in the game though.
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It was basically cheating imo.
As a Tigers supporter you walk away not talking about the game but feeling cheated even after a win.
The amount of times they were tackled and didn’t dispose of it properly was simply cheating.
Selwood is way to good a player to duck his like he does and should be called on it by the commentators. He consistently does it week in week out.
The clubs needs to come out and make a formal complaint soon as this bias will cost us a game soon and potentially a big game.
:clapping
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It was basically cheating imo.
As a Tigers supporter you walk away not talking about the game but feeling cheated even after a win.
The amount of times they were tackled and didn’t dispose of it properly was simply cheating.
Selwood is way to good a player to duck his like he does and should be called on it by the commentators. He consistently does it week in week out.
The clubs needs to come out and make a formal complaint soon as this bias will cost us a game soon and potentially a big game.
:clapping
I’m still in a bad mood about that crap last night.
Almost like losing on a Friday night and having the whole weekend to stew on it.
Enough is enough and something needs to be said imo. And not just tongue in cheek comments at a press conference but an offical complaint.
How can any club be on the wrong end of the free kick count basically the entire year??
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Perfect example of the total bias against us, a Geeflog player heads straight at the boundry from 30 meteres, no one within cooee ...nothing nada crickets
Tigers payer goes long probaly clears 50-60 metres players in vicinity shape of ball cause to bounce out - Couldnt put these whistle in his pathetic little gob quick enough.
And whats with these umpires making decisions from 80 meteres away, pathetic excuses for humans stuff em all
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Perfect example of the total bias against us, a Geeflog player heads straight at the boundry from 30 meteres, no one within cooee ...nothing nada crickets
Tigers payer goes long probaly clears 50-60 metres players in vicinity shape of ball cause to bounce out - Couldnt put these whistle in his pathetic little gob quick enough.
And whats with these umpires making decisions from 80 meteres away, pathetic excuses for humans stuff em all
If they want zones for the players then maybe the umps should zone 1-1-1 too and they can’t make a decision outside their zone. We’re constantly getting shafted by the furtherst ump.
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Port shafted. Bin the goal review.
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Not expecting anyone to understand my mumbles
But short for Richmond got his arm pinned ball gone and head smashed into the ground in a sling tackle free kick Geelong
Collingwood the same but lucky if his head even touched the grass and they get the free
Umpires absolutely killing Richmond this year
It will get us when it counts I see it coming
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Not expecting anyone to understand my mumbles
But short for Richmond got his arm pinned ball gone and head smashed into the ground in a sling tackle free kick Geelong
Collingwood the same but lucky if his head even touched the grass and they get the free
Umpires absolutely killing Richmond this year
It will get us when it counts I see it coming
Florent just got his head flung into the turf. Free kick Collingwood
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Why cant RFC sit down with the AFL and umpires, go through the game on Friday, review every free kick and get them to explain why we are getting so badly reamed every week?
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Why cant RFC sit down with the AFL and umpires, go through the game on Friday, review every free kick we didn't get but maybe should have and get them to explain why we are getting so badly reamed every week?
EFA
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Not one but two illegal acts by the Geelong tackler on Short plus a MRP report equals #freekickGeelong :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dju3iFYU4AEqocQ.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dju3iNUVAAUYX3R.jpg)
https://twitter.com/hkspeedking/status/1025615140920520704
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https://twitter.com/hewgeballz/status/1025621304722972673
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Just watching the replay.
First quarter Geelong had 3 clear HTB not paid against them. Two were Selwood. Surprise, surprise!
They also got a couple of soft ones for to high.
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2nd quarter another 3 clear HTB not paid against Geelong while we had 2 that were paid against Mandue and Townsend that were extremely tough.
It’s like watching a completely different game with the inconsistency of the HTB decision.
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That stuffing umpire has some stuffing questions to answer, not only did he let it go, but it resulted in a goal...stuffing makes my blood boil.
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who were the umpires in the game?
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Donlon, O'Gorman, Meredith
It seemed to be all down one end they were giving it to us there. To the left on the replay.
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Donlon, O'Gorman, Meredith
It seemed to be all down one end they were giving it to us there. To the left on the replay.
which ump is number 10? that prick nearly made me choke on my own spit
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Since we have had a dump truck full of poo left over from last year lets use it and put it on the doorstep of the stuffknuckle umpire boss
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Donlon, O'Gorman, Meredith
It seemed to be all down one end they were giving it to us there. To the left on the replay.
which ump is number 10? that prick nearly made me choke on my own spit
O'Gorman
A DeBoy clome = clueless
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AFL must explain Friday night timekeeper error
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
5 Aug 2018
A significant timekeeper error occured in the final minute of Richmond's narrow victory over Geelong on Friday night that could've impacted the result.
With 42 seconds on the clock, the ball is thrown up and a clearance is won by the Tigers.
Almost 10 seconds pass before the clock begins ticking again as you can see here.
In the end Richmond held on regardless, but the AFL must explain what caused this to happen in the first place.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/05/afl-must-explain-friday-night-timekeeper-error/
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:gobdrop unbelievable!
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Yet this will go unoticed that is laughable.10 seconds.Yet this peanuts worried about rule changes. :banghead.
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:snidegrin get the fraud squad in... I don't believe in so coincidences. "if it bleeds we can kill it" statements before the game, umpiring rubbish all game, then this. I mean, explain to me again the closeline around the neck sling tackle head in turf, in which the Geelong player is later charged, was not a free kick to us, ends up a goal to them... There is a sewerage stink all over this stuffing game.
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Waiting for a response from the afl ?.
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:snidegrin get the fraud squad in... I don't believe in so coincidences. "if it bleeds we can kill it" statements before the game, umpiring rubbish all game, then this. I mean, explain to me again the closeline around the neck sling tackle head in turf, in which the Geelong player is later charged, was not a free kick to us, ends up a goal to them... There is a sewerage stink all over this stuffing game.
You are 100% correct.
Conspiracy Theory... :shh this is bigger than the fake moon landing :shh
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AFL claims that the 10 seconds were accounted for by the timekeepers later.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-06/no-sirengate-in-tigerscats-clash-afl
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ROFL they added the time on after the siren perhaps??? LOL stuff off
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We won the free kicks. :gobdrop
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Good to see the AFL even it up when it didn’t matter
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Good to see the AFL even it up when it didn’t matter
yep either they measure it up in dead rubbers or in our back pocket.
I see the pies win the free kick count again. What a surprise!
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Comically biased tonight. 15 - 27 ::).
Time for the Club to make an official complaint.
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Comically biased tonight. 15 - 27 ::).
Time for the Club to make an official complaint.
Totally agree we have hit the ton now with difference between us and top side for frees this year laughable.
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Comically biased tonight. 15 - 27 ::).
Time for the Club to make an official complaint.
It's a disgrace :banghead
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Only danger to us going back to back
Disgusting
Suck poo Essendon
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That was utterly disgusting
Something needs to be done
Plus the biggest flogs commentators in the world
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Tom Browne just asked Dimma about the lopsided free kick count.
* Called it a frustrating night. Let others comment on the free kick count.
* 80% of the free kicks against us are there. The rest make you go hmmm.
* It's the ones we don't get that get under Dimma's skin more. You see what Jack cops and then look at what is given at the end other end of the ground and wonder what would happen if Jack played for the opposition.
* Look, our game is a very difficult game to umpire.
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well played dimma. Put the cheats on notice. That was the worst i have seen all year tonight
That dusty hold against in the goal square to francis. FMD
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSA_oQ2PSSE
:shh
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well played dimma. Put the cheats on notice. That was the worst i have seen all year tonight
That dusty hold against in the goal square to francis. FMD
Was 100% there. Classic forward move, grab a handfull of jumper first and every time the defender will grab your arm and make it look as though they started holding you and not the other way around.
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Damien Hardwick slams umpires over lack of Richmond free kicks
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
18 Aug 2018
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has expressed frustration over how his side is treated by the umpires.
The Tigers are 18th for free kick differential and were again on the wrong side of the ledger in Friday night’s win over Essendon, losing the count 27-15.
Hardwick said he didn’t have an issue with the free kicks his side gave away as much as those it should get.
“It was a frustrating night, there’s no doubt,” Hardwick said.
“It’s not the free kicks we give away. The vast majority, the 80 per cent (of those) are there.
“It is the one’s you don’t get that I find a little bit frustrating. I look at Jack (Riewoldt) tonight and I thought, ‘You know what? He doesn’t get much’.
“And I look at the other end and think, ‘Hmm, I wish he was playing at the other end’, but it is what it is.”
Riewoldt gave away three free kicks in the second quarter alone, but didn’t receive a free for the entire game despite Hardwick believing he was held at times.
“Once again, it’s a very, very hard game to adjudicate,” he said.
“Jack normally perseveres with that. He doesn’t complain, doesn’t blame; he just gets on with it and jumps at the ball.
“There’s not much we can do about it. We’ll just take it for what it is and hopefully get a better result next week.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-frustrated-by-lack-of-free-kicks-for-his-team-in-win-over-essendon/news-story/9da2fcdd938ceb7277d405ee0498bd6b
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Do they have tunnel vision? I see so many opposition throws, incorrect disposals, holds, interfering etc that get ignored, Jack copped it last night, but even a sniff the other way and they are tripping over themselves from the other side of the ground to blow their whistle. What are they trying to pull? Is it to stop blowouts? Are they sabotaging us? I mean we used to cop shellackings and everybody had a great old laugh at our expense. Now we Have a good 2 seasons and the whole world is going to end.
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My Carlton flog cousin reckons the free kick counts are just to cover up the umpire making sure we get the frees that matter at the most crucial times in games... :propeller
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I had one Essendon flog sitting near me saying we were “protected species” from
the umpires.
Not sure what game he was watching.
That curly head prick umpire gives us f&@k all every time.
Dimma needed to say something but he should be asking for a please explain from the AFL.
The numbers are just too one sided to be a coincidence.
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My Carlton flog cousin reckons the free kick counts are just to cover up the umpire making sure we get the frees that matter at the most crucial times in games... :propeller
:shh
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So protected that Jack gets ganged up on like a Swedish teenage girl and gets pinged for it.
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So protected that Jack gets ganged up on like a Swedish teenage girl and gets pinged for it.
I just googled this to be sure I understood your point.
I was going to watch a replay of the game, but I think I'd better stick with understanding the issue Jack faces.
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So protected that Jack gets ganged up on like a Swedish teenage girl and gets pinged for it.
I just googled this to be sure I understood your point.
I was going to watch a replay of the game, but I think I'd better stick with understanding the issue Jack faces.
I'm sure it will be an episode of Law and Order: SVU at some point.
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Except in the Law & Order episode, the white girl lies about being attacked.... :shh
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Richmond ranks last in free kick differential but Jack Riewoldt not getting a bad run this year
Chris Cavanagh,
Herald Sun
18 Aug 2018
LET’S play a game of MythBusters.
Myth 1: Richmond’s Jack Riewoldt gets a bad run with the umpires. BUSTED.
Myth 2: The Tigers are getting the rough end of the stick in the free kick count this season. CONFIRMED.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick made his frustrations clear last night after his team lost the free kick count against Essendon 27-15 at the MCG and suggested Riewoldt would have got more free kicks if he had a red and black jumper on.
“It’s not the free kicks we give away. The vast majority, the 80 per cent (of those) are there,” Hardwick said.
“It is the one’s you don’t get that I find a little bit frustrating. I look at Jack (Riewoldt) tonight and I thought, ‘You know what? He doesn’t get much’.
“And I look at the other end and think, ‘Hmm, I wish he was playing at the other end’, but it is what it is.”
Riewoldt, who leads the Coleman Medal with 60 goals, gave away three free kicks in the eight-point win and received none in return, but overall this season he has now received the same number of free kicks as he has given away at 25-25.
That stacks up reasonably well against some of the competition’s other leading key forwards in Sydney’s Lance Franklin (24-25), Geelong’s Tom Hawkins (19-33) and Greater Western Sydney’s Jeremy Cameron (20-32).
However, the same can’t be said for a host of teammates with the Tigers dead last on the free kick differential count, having now given away 110 more free kicks than they have received this season.
The startling figure is a 204 difference to Collingwood, who topped the free kick differential table after Round 21 with +94.
North Melbourne (+81) and West Coast (+78) also tend to get a favourable run among the whistle-blowers.
While Riewoldt might get relatively looked after, there are others in yellow and black whom are not.
Ruckman Toby Nankervis leads the competition for free kicks against with 54 from his 20 games, while he has received just 29 in return.
Defender Nick Vlastuin has given away 13 more free kicks than he has received at 12-26, Jacob Townsend is 6-16, Jack Graham is 15-26, Shane Edwards is 8-22, Nathan Broad is 7-13 and David Astbury is 13-20.
It’s not a new phenomenon either, with the Tigers having been -65 in the free kick differential last season, having given away the second most of any team behind Geelong.
But while it might frustrate Hardwick, it doesn’t seem to be having much effect on results.
Richmond will finish this year as minor premiers for the first time in 36 years, their push for back-to-back premierships right on track.
FREE KICK DIFFERENTIAL LADDER BEFORE ROUND 22
1. Collingwood +94 (463 for, 369 against)
2. North Melbourne +81 (458, 377)
3. West Coast +78 (463, 385)
4. Adelaide +45 (392, 347)
5. Western Bulldogs +38 (429, 391)
6. Brisbane Lions +22 (439, 417)
7. Hawthorn +14 (424, 410)
8. Carlton +10 (442, 432)
9. Geelong 0 (428, 428)
10. Melbourne -10 (414, 424)
11. Port Adelaide -14 (418, 432)
12. Gold Coast -37 (417, 454)
13. Fremantle -38 (389, 427)
14. Essendon -43 (376, 419)
15. Sydney -46 (400, 446)
16. GWS -48 (386, 434)
17. St Kilda -49 (379, 428)
18. Richmond -98 (361, 459)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-ranks-last-in-free-kick-differential-but-jack-riewoldt-not-getting-a-bad-run-this-year/news-story/dbf8817fe3e93f55ac8afb35fb902239
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I don't think anything was "BUSTED" about Jack there.
It's not about the fact he's given away the same amount he's received, it's what he hasn't received. Nank on the other hand has no reason to complain because he gives away obvious as hell frees all the time. Jack gave away plenty of frees that were there the other night too, but we just want him to get paid the frees he misses out on every week.
That gimp Mitch Brown got one of the softest frees ever on Friday night. 3rd quarter I think it was. Same thing happens to Jack in every contest except worse. :shh
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I don't think anything was "BUSTED" about Jack there.
It's not about the fact he's given away the same amount he's received, it's what he hasn't received. Nank on the other hand has no reason to complain because he gives away obvious as hell frees all the time. Jack gave away plenty of frees that were there the other night too, but we just want him to get paid the frees he misses out on every week.
That gimp Mitch Brown got one of the softest frees ever on Friday night. 3rd quarter I think it was. Same thing happens to Jack in every contest except worse. :shh
Brown got 2 free goals- 1st and 3rd quarters. Those 2 aren’t paid 90% of the time.
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I don't think anything was "BUSTED" about Jack there.
It's not about the fact he's given away the same amount he's received, it's what he hasn't received. Nank on the other hand has no reason to complain because he gives away obvious as hell frees all the time. Jack gave away plenty of frees that were there the other night too, but we just want him to get paid the frees he misses out on every week.
That gimp Mitch Brown got one of the softest frees ever on Friday night. 3rd quarter I think it was. Same thing happens to Jack in every contest except worse. :shh
Brown got 2 free goals- 1st and 3rd quarters. Those 2 aren’t paid 90% of the time.
I know, but unfortunately the first one was probably there. Broad not looking at the footy grabbed at his arm.
Pity, because Brown was never marking that ball and he's the shittest, softest & laziest player I have ever seen grace a football field anywhere. Disgusting to see him kick 2 snags because of frees.
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Staggering we a negative -98 and top side is + 94 .Even saints second last a still nearly behind us by 50.Like I said 20 or 30 I can live with but that is a joke.
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Staggering we a negative -98 and top side is + 94 .Even saints second last a still nearly behind us by 50.Like I said 20 or 30 I can live with but that is a joke.
umm no, we are - 110
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Staggering we a negative -98 and top side is + 94 .Even saints second last a still nearly behind us by 50.Like I said 20 or 30 I can live with but that is a joke.
umm no, we are - 110
Your calculator is broken
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Staggering we a negative -98 and top side is + 94 .Even saints second last a still nearly behind us by 50.Like I said 20 or 30 I can live with but that is a joke.
umm no, we are - 110
Your calculator is broken
umm no, we were -98 BEFORE Rd 22 as per the article
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stuffing get over it mate. Point is we're copping a raw deal
enough with the 'umm no' :shh
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stuffing get over it mate. Point is we're copping a raw deal
enough with the 'umm no' :shh
umm no need for you to comment
:shh :shh
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So protected that Jack gets ganged up on like a Swedish teenage girl and gets pinged for it.
I just googled this to be sure I understood your point.
I was going to watch a replay of the game, but I think I'd better stick with understanding the issue Jack faces.
He made an interesting point
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How was the Jack one busted, the free kicks that he wasn't paid were there. He missed the bloody point.
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stuffing get over it mate. Point is we're copping a raw deal
enough with the 'umm no' :shh
umm no need for you to comment
:shh :shh
Slide into my DM's :shh :shh :shh
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The compelling numbers that show umpires snub Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt
August 22, 2018
Sarah Olle@sarahjolle
FOX SPORTS
RICHMOND may be sitting pretty on the top of the ladder.
But the reigning premiers haven’t got there courtesy of the umpires.
It’s well known the Tigers have received the fewest free kicks in 2018.
But Jack Riewoldt could be the player most harshly penalised. Just look at the numbers.
In marking contests in 2018, five forwards have been awarded the most free kicks.
North Melbourne’s Ben Brown has received 42 frees, while Carlton’s Charlie Curnow (25), Melbourne’s Jesse Hogan (23), Collingwood’s Mason Cox (22) and Adelaide’s Josh Jenkins (22) have all bee well compensated.
Yet Riewoldt — who plays in the same vain as all the aforementioned forwards — has received just 12 free kicks from marking contests.
It has been an increasing frustration for Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who plead his forward’s case after Friday night’s win over Essendon.
“I look at Jack tonight and I thought, ‘You know what, he doesn’t get much’,” Hardwick said.
“And I look at the other end and I think, ‘Ooh, I wish he was playing for the other end’.
“Jack normally perseveres with it — he doesn’t complain, doesn’t blame — he just gets on with it and jumps at the ball.
“So it is what it is, not much we can do about it — we’ll just take it for what it is and hopefully get a better result next week.”
While it’s a coach’s prerogative to vouch for his player, Hardwick has found a friend in three-time premiership Lion Jonathan Brown, who said the numbers were “compelling”.
“Damien Hardwick has got a point,” Brown said on Fox Footy’s On The Couch.
“I know what they’d be saying in opposition team meetings: Just do whatever you can to impede Jack because if we can stop Jack from jumping we can beat the Tigers.
“He’s the only one who can jump in the forward line. He’s the only tall so they’re very reliant on him.”
Riewoldt (60) is two goals clear of Brown (58) in the race for the Coleman Medal.
Sydney’s Lance Franklin (57) and Geelong’s Tom Hawkins (56) are also in contention for the coveted award, with one round remaining in the home and away season.
FREE KICKS IN A MARKING CONTEST
1. Ben Brown (42)
2. Charlie Curnow (25)
3. Jesse Hogan (23)
4. Mason Cox (22)
4. Josh Jenkins (22)
6. Phil Davis (21)
7. Charlie Dixon (20)
7. Eric Hipwood (20)
7. Alex Rance (20)
10. Patrick Cripps (18)
25. Jack Riewoldt (12)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-compelling-numbers-that-show-umpires-snub-richmond-forward-jack-riewoldt/news-story/78a3fd7c6ca31fe7f43d8a6ed21fb459
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Why didn’t they list all the full forwards?
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Can you imagine Jack getting 42 frees in a season? ::) Here comes a quick ton!
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Now that article nails it, he is our main tall and they know if they mug him, they are going to put a dent in our score. That is fine, but if they give away frees, they need to be paid same as they are at the other end ffs.
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Richmond gives away more frees for pushes in the back than any other team. Do their colours play a role?
Al Paton,
Herald Sun
August 23, 2018 11:12am
IS THIS the secret to Richmond’s horror free kick record this season?
Despite sitting two games clear on top of the ladder the Tigers have clearly the worst free kick record in the competition, giving away more free kicks than any other team (486) and 110 more frees than they have earned this year.
Damien Hardwick singled out missed frees to Jack Riewoldt after a 15-27 tally against Essendon last Friday night, but the answer could lie in Richmond’s famous colours.
An alert listener to Richmond’s official Talking Tigers podcast alerted the team to a 2012 study by the University of Florida.
“Teams that wore black jerseys were penalized more, significantly more, than teams wearing other coloured jerseys,” researcher Gregory Webster said.
The finding was based on an analysis of more than 50,000 NHL games over a quarter of a century.
Webster told NPR that the higher number of penalties could be a result of black jerseys being more visible on the ice, but that didn’t explain why they copped a worse deal than other teams with dark colours.
He theorised that humans were trained from a young age to see black as a more aggressive colour.
“There is this very strong cultural association that comes through in how we think about colours in terms of white being associated with good and black with bad,” Webster said. “Many of us are raised from childhood with some of these associations. And over time, we develop a kind of cognitive bias. That’s been shown time and time again in social psychology.”
One obvious argument against the idea is that Essendon, which also wears mostly black, ranks seventh for free kicks awarded this year. Collingwood (second) and St Kilda (10th) also seem unaffected.
But Talking Tigers host Matthew Richardson reckons he has the slam dunk evidence for the dark jumper theory: Richmond wore its mostly yellow away strip in last year’s Grand Final — and won the free kick count 24-19.
WORST OFFENDERS: WHICH FREES ARE YOUR CLUB GIVING AWAY?
STATS for push in the back frees this year support the NHL theory. Richmond has given away 111 frees for in the back, 16 more than the second-worst team (GWS) and 50 more than West Coast.
THE Tigers are one of five teams to have given away more than 100 frees for holding the man (101, three fewer than worst offenders Sydney and Port Adelaide). The Crows are the most law-abiding team in this category, penalised just 67 times.
THE Western Bulldogs have been penalised five times this season for running too far. The next most is two (Melbourne, St Kilda, Fremantle, Sydney, Gold Coast) and six teams haven’t given that free away at all in 2018.
SYDNEY is the worst offender by far when it comes to high tackles, giving away 115 frees. Next worst is Gold Coast (97) and Adelaide again ranks No. 1 with just 65 frees conceded.
COLLINGWOOD has been pinged just three times for deliberate out of bounds this year. Gold Coast and GWS have given away a deliberate out of bounds free 18 times each.
MELBOURNE is the worst team at throwing the ball, giving away 24 frees compared to Carlton’s nine.
ALASTAIR Clarkson’s famous coffee with Gillon McLachlan didn’t have much effect. Sydney has been penalised for an illegal block just 11 times this year, 12 fewer than Carlton. Hawthorn has been pinged 14 times.
GEELONG has been hit hardest by holding the ball frees, caught 119 times. West Coast again fares best with 87 frees against in this category.
PORT Adelaide has been pinged four times for kicking in danger, the most of any side.
Source: Champion Data
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-gives-away-more-frees-for-pushes-in-the-back-than-any-other-team-do-their-colours-play-a-role/news-story/0797bd4977dab1a19dbd9045ba3a061b
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Stuff me that first quarter was terrible from the maggots
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Yep - 10 to 4.....nothing new to see here just more of the same :help
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The plot thinnens. In the second quarter they tried to make it look half reasonable, they are as predictable as Hollywood movies.
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Dogs 20 vs Tigers 10
Unfreakinbelievable.
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They only infringed 10 times in 4 quarters of a physical contact sport......
Righteeoh.......
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That Pannell was simply a cheat.
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I have to admit when I saw the chick I thought we were in for a long day but I’ve got to say that she was actually the best one out there today. She only missed a couple that I saw one in the first and one in the last.
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I have to admit when I saw the chick I thought we were in for a long day but I’ve got to say that she was actually the best one out there today. She only missed a couple that I saw one in the first and one in the last.
^^ agree with this
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The Slime weren't consistant as usual, same yep cheats
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I have to admit when I saw the chick I thought we were in for a long day but I’ve got to say that she was actually the best one out there today. She only missed a couple that I saw one in the first and one in the last.
^^ agree with this
I actually thought she was really firm when she held her position in the rear despite her deficiencies up front. Her ball pick up and bounce were superb, actually even better when watched in super slow motion on the replay :rollin
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The Club needs to make an official complaint. It's beyond a joke now.
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Can't wait to hear how they spin the Roughead
throw holding the man.
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Can't wait to hear how they spin the Roughead throw holding the man.
Ump said the tackle lingered ................ seriously! :facepalm.
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"Lingered" lol
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like the stench of corruption lol
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Move along, nothing to see here.
Tigers won the free kick count 20-19 which proves we are just a whingeing bunch of so and so's.
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Good to see nothing has changed in 13 odd years.
Stuff me sideways how bad were the maggots.
I counted four throws little Alfie Langer would have been proud of.
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Good to see nothing has changed in 13 odd years.
Stuff me sideways how bad were the maggots.
I counted four throws little Alfie Langer would have been proud of.
It’s not the ones they got that irritated me but the ones we didn’t get. Seemed inconsistent at best.
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Surely we're at least saying something to the AFL behind the scenes about it....well on our to a third straight year of this shyte now..... >:(
Good to see nothing has changed in 13 odd years.
Stuff me sideways how bad were the maggots.
I counted four throws little Alfie Langer would have been proud of.
It’s not the ones they got that irritated me but the ones we didn’t get. Seemed inconsistent at best.
Collingwood got away murder all night.....high tackles, high contact, in the back, holding the ball, holding players off the ball, hits behind play... :shh
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Honestly they cant be this bad on purpose, something is purposefully on against us
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The amount of frees we don't get paid is staggering.
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It's got me stuffed
I mean I give it to the maggots as tradition dictates....but now it is a statistical anomaly that needs accounting for.
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The state of umpiring for the want of a better word is. poo.
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Our ratio of tackles made to free kicks awarded must be the lowest in the competitions history. There are clearly two interpretations of HTB, one for us and one for every other team.
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Our ratio of tackles made to free kicks awarded must be the lowest in the competitions history. There are clearly two interpretations of HTB, one for us and one for every other team.
I don’t understand it. If a player gets tackled and doesn’t correctly dispose of the ball it’s supposed to be a free kick. The umps just won’t pay them :banghead
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The difference between our game up against Brisbane V Gollywood couldn't be greater. The filth got every single soft free kick under the sun & then few more to make sure, but we couldn't buy a free kick if we had a fist full of gold nuggets! It is hard to watch two games over a weekend & have them umpired so differently! Get a clue AFL! :thumbsdown
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Funny how the rules and interpretations change into just two days from Thursday night when Collingwood plays ::).
Our mistakes stood out more in the second half but that first half of umpiring was a joke as far as holding the ball. It didn't exist! When we tackled Swan players they just dropped the ball all night and got away with it. Even when they had a heap of prior opportunity or it was chase down tackle, the umps still waved their arms and called play on ::).
Edit: Beat me to it, JP :clapping.
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With the amount of throws the Swans did I thought I was watching league
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This was paid a free kick to Buddy against Grimes:
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/d9df2c21-7e7e-4d0d-aa19-c276cfe8b870-jpeg.658912/)
And here's Buddy pushing Astbury in the back of the head yet called play on:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/TasoKatsionis/status/1120107927539335168
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/7f62fb29-857b-49dd-99e4-76410926bc65-jpeg.658944/)
Source: BF, TasoKatsionis.
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With the amount of throws the Swans did I thought I was watching league
Was about to put my Storm’s guernsey on at the game!
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Well we probably came level with frees and possibly in front but that umpiring was shocking. Some of the lowlights were;
* Tom Lynch being victim of the new non mark Tom Lynch rule
* Multiple throws and drops by them in a row then I think Balta gets pinged for doing exactly what they done about five times in a row
* A clear 50 not paid
Even though we’re winning I hope the RFC is being loud about this to the AFL as it will
cost us in close games
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No such thing as Incorrect disposal when being tackled by Richmond players.
In compensation to butt hurt opposition supporter general Richmond Jealousy, All opposition players with have an extra five seconds after Lynch marks to attempt to spoil and or tackle him without a mark/free being paid. Play on will be called unless Lynch is caught with the ball at which time a free will be paid to the opposition for holding and 50m if he complains about not being paid the mark.
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Every full forward cops a non-mark decisions like that every now & then...but only a Richmond one would cop it twice in the same match within a few minutes of game time... :shh
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It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.
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It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.
Last nights and today’s game!
I’m starting to think there are some umpires that don’t actually know the incorrect disposal rule.
How can someone who is tackled and doesn’t correctly dispose of the footy by either hand or foot not be penalised for incorrect disposal?
It’s a bloody joke.
And that free to Cox for “blocking” against Hooker was mind boggling. But I’ve got to say that I don’t think most umps actually understand the rule. You’ve got to dispose of the footy in a legal way.
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It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.
Yep, I dislike both Collingwood and Essendon equally but watching the game Collingwood was on the best end of the umpiring.....Again.
The numbers don’t really say that but it was pretty clear for me as a neutral observer.
Again, like in our game last week, it wasn’t the free kicks that were paid but the free kicks that weren’t paid.
I’m not a boo-er but I can understand why the Essendon crowd pooed at the end.
We as supporters all pay good money to go and watch our teams play, all we want is a fair game, win lose or draw, and the umpiring in the last couple of years has be “pro” Collingwood from all the games I have seen them play.
It’s time teams spoke up IMO.
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It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.
Last nights and today’s game!
I’m starting to think there are some umpires that don’t actually know the incorrect disposal rule.
How can someone who is tackled and doesn’t correctly dispose of the footy by either hand or foot not be penalised for incorrect disposal?
It’s a bloody joke.
And that free to Cox for “blocking” against Hooker was mind boggling. But I’ve got to say that I don’t think most umps actually understand the rule. You’ve got to dispose of the footy in a legal way.
I thought over the offseason, Hocking and co. said they were cracking down on illegal disposal. The umps seemed hot on their HTB interpretation during the preseason. It's now gone back to "knocked out in the tackle" or "he got a toe to it" when the tackled player is run down and just drops it.
As for the two Lynch marks that weren't paid ::). That is clueless umpiring :facepalm.
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It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.
Last nights and today’s game!
I’m starting to think there are some umpires that don’t actually know the incorrect disposal rule.
How can someone who is tackled and doesn’t correctly dispose of the footy by either hand or foot not be penalised for incorrect disposal?
It’s a bloody joke.
And that free to Cox for “blocking” against Hooker was mind boggling. But I’ve got to say that I don’t think most umps actually understand the rule. You’ve got to dispose of the footy in a legal way.
I thought over the offseason, Hocking and co. said they were cracking down on illegal disposal. The umps seemed hot on their HTB interpretation during the preseason. It's now gone back to "knocked out in the tackle" or "he got a toe to it" when the tackled player is run down and just drops it.
As for the two Lynch marks that weren't paid ::). That is clueless umpiring :facepalm.
Is “he made an attempt” even an actual bylaw in regards to incorrect disposal? If it is I haven’t read it.
It wasn’t that just the Essendon players that stopped today, in those two decisions it was the Collingwood players that also stopped because in all the players minds on both occasions it was incorrect disposal, same part of the ground too so I’d assume it was the same ump.
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It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.
Yep, I dislike both Collingwood and Essendon equally but watching the game Collingwood was on the best end of the umpiring.....Again.
The numbers don’t really say that but it was pretty clear for me as a neutral observer.
Again, like in our game last week, it wasn’t the free kicks that were paid but the free kicks that weren’t paid.
I’m not a boo-er but I can understand why the Essendon crowd pooed at the end.
We as supporters all pay good money to go and watch our teams play, all we want is a fair game, win lose or draw, and the umpiring in the last couple of years has be “pro” Collingwood from all the games I have seen them play.
It’s time teams spoke up IMO.
Yep. The Pies got away with a number of head high tackles that weren't paid. One ump kept saying McDonald-Tipungwuti had ducked. Hey ump, he's only 5ft tall or thereabouts :lol. From memory, Castagna got his head almost pulled off last night at one stage in our forward line and it was called play on as well.
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These 2 flogs in AFL360 are talking all high and mighty about the booing after the game. (since when has booing been so offensive?)
Then they go on to say we shouldn’t boo champions, so I’m assuming booing just average players is ok?
Try talking about why the crowd booed.
The umpiring.
David King is the only one with big enough balls to actually say it.
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biggest bunch of hyprocrites, none moreso than bucks himself.
how was the crowd going when dom sheed was taking that kick? Thats okay because he aint a champion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3_6TMOvZAU
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Well we probably came level with frees and possibly in front but that umpiring was shocking. Some of the lowlights were;
* Tom Lynch being victim of the new non mark Tom Lynch rule
* Multiple throws and drops by them in a row then I think Balta gets pinged for doing exactly what they done about five times in a row
* A clear 50 not paid
Even though we’re winning I hope the RFC is being loud about this to the AFL as it will
cost us in close games
Riewoldt got a blocking free paid against when he was the one running at the ball and McDonald was just standing there.
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It’s simple.
You currently have amateurs officiating a professional game.
Fix that and you’ll solve a lot of the inconsistencies
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why do they keep showing us fat Eddie and his son...i swear if i was a bombers fan sitting next to them i d smash their heads together like 2 coconuts after the way the muppets celebrated that crap free kick they got at the end when it should've been dropping the ball against Stephenson
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Since when has it been against the law to boo at games people do as they please as long as they arent breaking the rules.Give us break the al love the pies and media.
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The irony meter is about to blow! Essendon supporters booing because they reckon something fishy is going on? Hmm .... :-\
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So maybe Buckley could come out and explain how he feels about having a club President who in recent times cracked King Kong jokes about a champion of the game.
Over to you Nathan…….
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So maybe Buckley could come out and explain how he feels about having a club President who in recent times cracked King Kong jokes about a champion of the game.
Over to you Nathan…….
spot on. Bunch of hyprocrites that lot
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The irony meter is about to blow! Essendon supporters booing because they reckon something fishy is going on? Hmm .... :-\
I saw the game yesterday. They had every right to boo. The umpires gave the game to Collingwood yesterday. To be honest yesterdays umpiring was simply shameful.
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The irony meter is about to blow! Essendon supporters booing because they reckon something fishy is going on? Hmm .... :-\
I saw the game yesterday. They had every right to boo. The umpires gave the game to Collingwood yesterday. To be honest yesterdays umpiring was simply shameful.
Only saw the last quarter on TV.
Saying it was shameful is being kind.
If you had money on the Bombers, you'd be filthy.
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Umpiring went pear shaped when the umpires boss (usually ex umpires) were replaced with ex players and coaches.
It started when Jeff Gieshen got the gig it and went down hill from there.
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The irony meter is about to blow! Essendon supporters booing because they reckon something fishy is going on? Hmm .... :-\
I saw the game yesterday. They had every right to boo. The umpires gave the game to Collingwood yesterday. To be honest yesterdays umpiring was simply shameful.
Agree it was absolutely disgraceful but nobody will be held accountable. I watched the replay again last night and it was simply astonishing.
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You watch now, every collingwood game, they will be booed all game mercilessly every time they touch the ball, I support this
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IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
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IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
What will happen is that they will implement in tandem an umpiring propaganda campaign and a boo ban on the grounds it is emotionally hurting the umpires
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IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
What will happen is that they will implement in tandem an umpiring propaganda campaign and a boo ban on the grounds it is emotionally hurting the umpires
That will become Bill Shortens major campaign policy
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IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
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IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
... Thumbscrews were involved... ???
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IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
Remember it well
It was actually a great segment
And they usually sent the best umpire in not the no names
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IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
... Thumbscrews were involved... ???
Ve haf vays of makingz you talk :lol
Actually, here's a clip of one of the segments from World of Sport:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTcZX-6XaNA
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:cheers :bow :lol
Great memories MT. Excellent job by the umpires explaining his decisions but it never stopped me calling them a “white maggot” the very next week. :rollin
I used to love watching World of Sport. They used to get both coaches in too and ask them questions about the game etc.
I also have earlier memories of every Sunday, after having our lunch, switching on the PYE tv and then watching World championship wrestling cheering on Mario MilanoSpiros Arion, Killer Karl Kox, Skull Murphy & Killer Kowalski, there were more but I can’t remember all their names.
Those were great times growing up, going to the footy on Saturday arvo and spending most of my
youth outside, playing footy or cricket or riding our bikes for hrs. But still managed to catch a glimpse of the winners before running back outside to finish our game.
Dad used to let us stay up to watch league teams on Thursday night too.
Good times.
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Larry O'dea
Ron Miller
Haystacks Calhoun
Mark Lewin
Playboy Gary Hart
Abdullah the Butcher
To name a few others......
Wonderful days those. You could ride your bike and feel safe anywhere.....
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Umpiring was pretty poo then though. So much was missed, the favourites always got the key decisions, namely the hawks, and then you got a few make up ones at the end of the game. Then they got professional about it and it has improved a lot.
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Don't forget Ox Baker & the heart punch! And Andre the Giant! With Ted Whitten on commentary the whole show was priceless! ;D
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Can we send the umpiring dept. a "please, explain"?
First half: 2 - 12
Second half: 13 - 8
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The concerning issue as I see it are the types of frees that get paid against us that are always ignored for us. Incorrect disposal, in the back HTB, holding etc. we never get the obvious ones but so many soft ones go against us. Our free kick count gets padded for a hold even though we’ve taken a mark, deliberate OOB.
We tackled someone today and 8 players stopped because they knew it was HTB yet it got called olay on... WTF!
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Shocking today
Can we send the umpiring dept. a "please, explain"?
First half: 2 - 12
Second half: 13 - 8
Reckon the umpire advisor must have saod something at half time ::)
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We tackled someone today and 8 players stopped because they knew it was HTB yet it got called olay on... WTF!
That has happened in a number of games I have watched over the last month.
It underlines just how bad the umpiring is in general at the moment. These are professional footballers who are trained from their first footy game to play to the umpires whistle. And yet even they concede when a really obvious free kick should be paid and stop to wait for the umpire, who doesn't call it.
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There is a bias towards certain teams
We ain’t one of them
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Umpire number 10 was disgraceful
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Mr Bean's lovechild.
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Deliberate out of bounds free kicks
Round 10, 2019: 16 (4th highest recorded)
Richmond v Essendon, R10, 2019: 7 (2nd highest recorded)
Average per game R10, 2019: 1.77
Average per game per round 2017-R10, 2019: 0.5
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/snapshot-deliberate-and-not-so-deliberate-calls-at-dreamtime-20190528-p51rub.html
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Deliberate out of bounds free kicks
Round 10, 2019: 16 (4th highest recorded)
Richmond v Essendon, R10, 2019: 7 (2nd highest recorded)
Average per game R10, 2019: 1.77
Average per game per round 2017-R10, 2019: 0.5
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/snapshot-deliberate-and-not-so-deliberate-calls-at-dreamtime-20190528-p51rub.html
I think the umps missed that it was a wet and very slippery night.
They should have given the benefit of the doubt to the players in some of those 7.
No game sense most of those muppets.
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I reckon 1, maybe 2, of those frees were actually there. Mindboggling
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I reckon 1, maybe 2, of those frees were actually there. Mindboggling
problem is the dumb stuffers made some calls early and then had to be consistent on the crap calls
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What an absolute stuffing blight on the game Rayzor is..the .idiot seriously thinks he's part of the entertainment..joke that he's umpired 298 matches...hope they fho for good one short of his 300th... :shh
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I couldn't believe Razor copped a footy to the cods! I mean, I didn't realize it was even possible to hit such a small target with such a large footy ... :-\
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What an absolute stuffing blight on the game Rayzor is..the .idiot seriously thinks he's part of the entertainment..joke that he's umpired 298 matches...hope they fho for good one short of his 300th... :shh
Putting Mics on these guys was the worst thing. They have made them part of the game and the entertainment. Upires feel the have to be more involved in the game now. It rubbish. I would also say that the balance between what forwards can do an what backs can do seems to be getting worse.A free is a free where ever it occurs. Some of the stuff that towards do to sheppard a goal through is ridiculous.
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People don't wonder why Naish isn't in the side ?.It's because of his defence efforts so don't think we're going to gain that with him in the side.
People harping on about Balta,Garth,Soldo last night etc our kids all less then 12 games there the least of our issues you going to get the ups and downs.Every single loss this year was a failure of our senior players switching off big time maybe besides 1 or 2 senior players like last night Dusty,Houli and Cotch at times the rest were coasting around.That's the real issue not the kids who have at times been carrying them.
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Does anyone not believe the AFL don’t instruct their umpires to give poo sides like Norf, after what has happened the past week a good run with the decisions. For me it’s as clear as day.
I thought last nights umpiring was as bad as I had seen it this year against us
Especially in the first half.
Just 2 completely different interpretations for the two sides.
The numbers don’t show it but like always it’s not the ones they necessarily pay, it’s the ones they don’t pay, and it’s where they get paid.
Ben Brown gots some really easy ones last night, none easier than the one with Grimes in the second half where their arms were just tangled.
I’m usually at most games and you miss a lot of the decisions because you are just too far away to see them all properly, and when you watch the reply you know the result so you are not as into it as you are watching it live. But last night watching it live on the TV I wanted to break something.
The holding the ball against Broad where he bounced the ball and it didn’t come back to him and he was tackled was one of the worst. My 75” TV nearly wore the remote control.
I just wish our club would ask for a please explain occasionally through the media so the umpires are put on notice the following week and keep doing it until things change.
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How about the one where Broad got pinged for HTB when ball was under the Norf player's arse... :huh
...and don't get the started on the Simpkins goal... >:(
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Can anyone remember a time when the umpiring was so bad?
You used to hold your breath when a pack formed waiting to see if the umpire would pay holding the ball. Now you hold your breath at nearly every whistle wondering which way it will go.
And how bad is it when on about 6 occasions the players have stopped in anticipation of a holding the ball and the umpires are the only ones who think it wasn’t?
pee the new rules/ interpretations off, get back to basics and watch the umpiring improve ten fold.
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How about the one where Broad got pinged for HTB when ball was under the Norf player's arse... :huh
...and don't get the started on the Simpkins goal... >:(
... tell us about the Simpkin’s goal, please?
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There's too many rules that are open to interpretation and afford the umpires too much discretion.... :shh
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How about the one where Broad got pinged for HTB when ball was under the Norf player's arse... :huh
...and don't get the started on the Simpkins goal... >:(
... tell us about the Simpkin’s goal, please?
Sorry not Simpkins I meant Anderson's first goal...Grimes was manhandled on the line.... :shh
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How about the one where Broad got pinged for HTB when ball was under the Norf player's arse... :huh
...and don't get the started on the Simpkins goal... >:(
... tell us about the Simpkin’s goal, please?
Sorry not Simpkins I meant Anderson's first goal...Grimes was manhandled on the line.... :shh
Yep, I agree, shouldn’t have been allowed.
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There's too many rules that are open to interpretation and afford the umpires too much discretion.... :shh
This is true, there are too many grey areas in the rules. It does make the game hard to umpire as a result. But there is nothing more frustrating than when an umpire can't see a defender being blatantly bear-hugged on the goal line, unable to even put a hand out to save a goal. If the umpires just paid the obvious frees I'd be far more sympathetic towards them. More basics from the umpires & less 'Look at Me' officiating would be a good start.
Can somebody GIF Razor Ray copping one in the cods? I need a laugh after last night ....
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i cant stand the priks more than anyone but what i saw last night is exactly what we have done to teams, especially the blocking that was going on to Lynch and Balta by Tarrant and Thompson.
The umpiring wasnt nearly as bad as previous weeks.
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Some umpires are just shytehouse but most of the poor standard is due to the rules , the constant changing of the rules & directives from the AFL which just puts too much on the umpire's plates which in turn affects their abilty to get even the basic decisons right...and I have no doubt they're at least nformaly instructed to crack down on certain teams and even certain players, and protect others... :shh
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I would love one of the players to say to Ray, “just umpire the game mate. You don’t need to commentate, you just need to blow your whistle, make the sign of what the free kick is for, point your finger, and then STFU. The people are not here to watch you”
I cannot stand when they tell players to separate if there is a bit of niggle. Players can niggle each other as long as they don’t give away free kicks.
Just pay the obvious free kicks when they are there and shut up.
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Yep.
It's outrageous to me how this guy can basically mouth off to players and if anyone looks sideways at him there's a 50m penalty dished out.
This bloke isn't the principal of the school. He's meant to officiate a game of football
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Pox umpiring and that clown needs to stop showboating, only problem with him being hit in his lolly bag by the ball was that it didn't rupture one of his testes so he had to stuff off and let the emergency umpire on.
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Dunno why north don’t kick the ball to Ben brown at every single opportunity. Guy would get a free kick if a feather landed on his head, just needs to flail his 3m long arms in the air.
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I"ll just leave this here...
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1136983591554961408
...nighty night... :shh
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And the rule pulled out of nowhere today is "studs up" ::). Not once but twice against an experienced Tiger who has played for a decade at the highest level and has never been pinged for it before :huh.
Add Soldo's mark not paid in the second quarter in there too.
The Club should send a please explain to the umpiring dept. after today.
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Umpire 32 is the worst in the comp, a known Richmond hater and a disgrace to the AFL
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Umpire 32 is the worst in the comp, a known Richmond hater and a disgrace to the AFL
That's Jacob Mollison.
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Umpire 32 is the worst in the comp, a known Richmond hater and a disgrace to the AFL
That's Jacob Mollison.
Muppet of gargantuan proportions.
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'Have some common sense': Dimma slams studs-up rule
AFL.com.au
Riley Beveridge
Aug 18, 2019 4:45PM
THE FIRST 'studs-up' free kick paid against Jack Riewoldt on Sunday left him seething.
The second left both Riewoldt and his coach Damien Hardwick with a look of confusion.
Now, Hardwick has called upon the AFL to rethink the merit of what he believes was a "reactive" decision in introducing the controversial rule for the 2019 season.
Riewoldt gave up two contentious free kicks during Sunday's dramatic six-point victory over West Coast when he planted his studs into the backs of opponents in marking contests.
One came at a critical moment of the game, with the Tigers clinging to a narrow lead in the dying stages of a thrilling wet weather contest between two premiership hopefuls.
According to Hardwick, such an action was not reflective of why the rule was introduced.
"I don't think that's what the rule was brought in for," Hardwick said.
"If you don't want high marks in the game, come on … I don't think it's a good look.
"At the end of the day, the rule was brought in for the guy who kicks someone in the head. The last time I looked, that player's head wasn't on his hamstring.
"Have some common sense."
Hardwick also suggested the AFL reconsiders whether the rule is necessary going forward.
"I didn't know why we needed the rule in the first place, to be perfectly honest … we seem to have a very reactive nature at stages," Hardwick said.
"The game of AFL is so tough on these blokes. Don't give them so many rules."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-18/have-some-common-sense-dimma-slams-studsup-rule
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#FreeKickEagles ::)
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Every week I think I’ve seen the worst umpiring display ever but from the depths they produce a display like this
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Today was the worst for the year
Not so much in general play but such pathetic decisions that determine games
Jack
That Rioli free
Incredible
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And yet, some of the whinging on social media suggests we were gifted the game :whistle
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The Lynch mark where he didn't blow the whistle until he was tackled and forced to play on then called play on and it wasn't to advantage...lol wanker
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I thought the Willie Rioli one in the last was the worst..... :whistle
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‘Our game is stuffed’: Fury over studs up frees
Jon Ralph and Al Paton
Herald Sun
18 Aug 2019
Wayne Carey said “our game is stuffed” if the AFL approved the studs-up decisions.
Riewoldt was going back to prepare for a shot at goal from 30m out when the umpire took the footy from his arms, prompting the two-time Coleman Medallist to declare: “You’re joking!” as the MCG erupted in boos.
“I was in the meeting when they came up with that rule and that’s not what it was designed for,” Eddie McGuire said on Fox Footy.
Collingwood premiership captain Tony Shaw said on 3AW: “That was one of the worst calls I’ve seen, and the AFL say that was the right decision.”
Richmond champion Matthew Richardson backed Shaw, labelling the decision a “joke”.
If that wasn’t enough, Riewoldt’s head was spinning after he was penalised a second time for the same offence in the final quarter of the Tigers’ nailbiting win.
The rule sparked controversy earlier in the season when Collingwood’s Howe was denied a spectacular grab after putting his boot into the back of Melbourne’s Tom McDonald.
The second-quarter decision seemed to spark the Tigers into action as they responded with the next two goals in a gripping top-four contest.
Surely common sense prevails in the studs up rule. 🤦🏼♂️
You’re allowed to protect space, understandably if it’s malicious & deliberately aimed at an opponent then blow the whistle...
— Mitch Robinson (@MitchRobinson05) August 18, 2019 (https://twitter.com/MitchRobinson05/status/1162945904875171845)
The decision by the umpire that paid the kick out decision against Jack Riewoldt was just horrible. @AFL leave the game alone ! #afltigerseagles
— Brant Softley (@BigsofoBrant) August 18, 2019 (https://twitter.com/BigsofoBrant/status/1162936117739474944)
All because of you Toby Greene.
— Dull Jack Riewoldt (@DullJackR8) August 18, 2019 (https://twitter.com/DullJackR8/status/1162935340044177408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/umpire-penalises-jack-riewoldt-for-studs-up-in-marking-contest/news-story/9bc9be24c98d0283558c1caf2e776e9c
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STUDS UP
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
18 Aug 2019
The intent of the Toby Greene studs up rule was to prevent players being seriously injured by a foot full of studs in their face.
Jack Riewoldt’s overturned marks, as he twice shunted Tom Barrass slightly forward in marking contests, should be allowed in football.
Regardless of what the umpiring department says on Monday.
It ticked off Jeremy Howe’s studs-up mark on Tom McDonald so it will surely back in Sunday’s decision.
But Howe and Jack Riewoldt are two of the AFL’s great aerialists who don’t try to use their feet in studs-up challenges even if it has happened to both once this year.
In a game full of low scoring, defensive battles to disincentivise star players flying at the ball seems crazy.
Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-move-into-top-four-with-thrilling-win-over-west-coast-in-an-mcg-epic/news-story/751c819c65d06b932a771ba86c299e73)
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So I guess the mark of the year should have been a free kick to Max Gawn..... :whistle
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Edit: Altered image size. OE.
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From the Robbo's 'Dislikes':
DISLIKES 1 STUDS UP
The first free kick paid against Richmond’s Jack Riewoldt can’t be right.
He jumped to mark and his extended leg and foot made connection with the upper leg of his opponent. That surely is not why the rule was introduced. The second free kick against Riewoldt was closer to what the AFL wants out of the game. The contact from the studs was higher, although nowhere near the head.
But don’t blame the umpires, blame the rule makers. Could you imagine the crowd reaction if Riewoldt marked in the goalsquare on GF day, the Tigers down by five points with 30 seconds to play, and the umpire paid a free kick against him. Oh boy!
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-22/news-story/b60f668e7dfa6ebccb547a575fce393b
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Rule change stunner: AFL relaxes interpretation to studs-up rule
Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
Aug 19, 2019 6:15PM
THE AFL has made a stunning interpretation change to the studs-up rule less than 24 hours after it was blasted by Richmond coach Damien Hardwick.
Tigers forward Jack Riewoldt was penalised twice for using his studs in a marking contest during Sunday's win over West Coast.
While the AFL said both decisions were correct, they have made an immediate change to the interpretation of the rule ahead of round 23.
"The studs up rule was brought in to ensure players did not employ their studs in marking contests in a manner likely to cause injury," AFL General Manager Football Operations Steve Hocking said on Monday.
"Although the two incidents from the Richmond v West Coast Eagles match were adjudicated according to the current interpretation, the AFL acknowledges there is a need to adjust the interpretation of rough conduct free kicks relating to the use of studs in marking contests and will make this change effective immediately."
The initial change was implemented after Greater Western Sydney forward Toby Greene repeatedly used his studs in marking contests during the 2018 finals campaign.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-19/rule-change-stunner-afl-relaxes-interpretation-to-studsup-rule
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The AFL is such an amateur organisation..... :whistle
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Not good enough, stuffers need to admit they were wrong and apologize
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I thought the idea was to stop idiots karate kicking people in the head and front on dangerously like Toby "jackoff" Green, which is legit, but common sense on legit Marking contests
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Rule changes after we cop the bad decisions......go figure.
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Disgusted. What a joke of a governing body.
Need to admit they F'd up!
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Greene was receiving a handpass and raised his foot at Dahlhaus' head as an act to avoid being tackled. It was a free kick under the old rules as a high fend off. We didn't need another AFL overreaction to one incident and another new rule that gets misinterpreted.
In both of Jack's cases, they were leaps to mark a ball that had been kicked towards him (it wouldn't be a marking attempt otherwise). Happens dozens of times in every AFL match. The ump got it wrong ... twice! It was a dud rule anyway but just spineless and dishonest for the AFL to claim they were the right calls under that rule. Otherwise, where's the video examples they present to the umpires and clubs preseason showing such a call in a marking contest as being the correct decision?!
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Greene was receiving a handpass and raised his foot at Dahlhaus' head as an act to avoid being tackled. It was a free kick under the old rules as a high fend off. We didn't need another AFL overreaction to one incident and another new rule that gets misinterpreted.
In both of Jack's cases, they were leaps to mark a ball that had been kicked towards him (it wouldn't be a marking attempt otherwise). Happens dozens of times in every AFL match. The ump got it wrong ... twice! It was a dud rule anyway but just spineless and dishonest for the AFL to claim they were the right calls under that rule. Otherwise, where's the video examples they present to the umpires and clubs preseason showing such a call in a marking contest as being the correct decision?!
There was an example shown tonight on the news where Toby Green basically kicked an opponent then took the mark. I can’t remember who it was against though. Sydney maybe??
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Yes it was against Sydney, player he kicked was Newman.. :shh
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"It's gone too far": Hocking explains why AFL relaxed studs-up interpretation
By SEN
20 Aug 2019
AFL football operations boss Steve Hocking has explained why the league decided to relax the interpretation of the studs-up rule.
The rule came under fire on Sunday when Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt was penalised twice for using his studs in a marking contest against West Coast.
Hocking was at the game and admits Riewoldt should’ve been paid both marks.
“After sitting there watching the game on Sunday and being an administrator but also a footy fan, it just didn’t feel right,” Hocking told SEN’s Whateley.
“Looking at Jack and also Jacob Mollison, the umpire, it really felt like as an administrator, I put the umpire in a bit of a situation there.
“It’s gone too far. We want to see those marks paid. That’s why the decision was made.”
Hocking says the rule initially came in to protect players, but Sunday’s calls made him want to take action on the grey area surrounding the interpretation.
“What we did at the start of the year was introduce that (rule) to really take care of the players and get a shift in behaviour,” he said.
“We feel like we’ve reached that point with it.
“Having a look at that game on Sunday, it was quite clear that what Jack’s doing, there was no intent to harm the player.
“The intent was to take the mark. I think those fans, particularly me being a fan sitting there watching that, you can’t walk past that.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/08/20/its-gone-too-far-hocking-explains-why-afl-relaxed-studs-up-interpretation/
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AFL ‘should be applauded’ for immediate studs up rule change
August 20, 2019 9:26pm
FOX SPORTS
Richmond star Jack Riewoldt believes the AFL should be applauded for immediately making a change to the divisive ‘studs up’ free kick rule.
After two free kicks paid against Riewoldt in Sunday’s win over West Coast drew scorn, including from Riewoldt himself, the AFL moved on Monday to change how the penalty was given.
The reigning Coleman medallist told AFL 360 he didn’t expect the league to make a move so quickly, with AFL footy operations boss Steve Hocking saying he didn’t want any issues with the rule during the finals.
“The AFL should be applauded for this. There’s probably a bit more room for it as well,” he said on Fox Footy.
“He’s new to the game in that area, Steve Hocking, and to jump on it straight away - you saw my reaction then. If that’d happened on Grand Final day, I don’t know how I or another player would’ve reacted.
“I was as surprised as I think a lot of people (by the change). I thought maybe, these sorts of things get drawn up at the end of the season.
“It just happened really. Someone texted congratulating me and I was like oh, what for? And then I had a quick flick through the socials.”
Riewoldt revealed he texted umpire Jacob Mollison, who made the calls and copped some choice language from the Tigers forward in response.
Umpires boss Hayden Kennedy in fact had to call Riewoldt because Mollison wasn’t sure if he was being pranked when he received the apology.
“I’m going for the ball. Pure as it is, just trying to get the ball,” Riewoldt explained.
“I think the two examples with me on the weekend, and when I looked at the Jeremy Howe one at mid-season. The essence of AFL football - people come from other countries to watch our game, or they’re from other countries and they watch our game, and they love the high-flying capacity of it.
“There’s no malice in me kicking Tom Barrass in the back of the hammy - not even kicking, really pushing off. It was brought in for the incidents with Toby Greene who kung fu’d a couple of people. They’re completely different examples.
“And the wording (using studs in a manner likely to cause injury) ... thousand to one that I’m going to cause injury.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-richmonds-jack-riewoldt-applauds-league-for-quickly-changing-studs-up-free-kick-rule/news-story/50e0b2f0b439324d757c457d28d6ea2d
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has applauded the AFL for its change to the interpretation of the studs up rule.
Tigers' forward Jack Riewoldt was twice penalised by umpires in last Sunday's clash against West Coast for illegally using his boot studs in marking contests against Eagle Tom Barrass.
Hardwick slammed the decisions post-match and the controversial rulings came under fire from the wider AFL community.
There was a swift reaction from league headquarters on Monday, with the interpretation to be changed from this weekend.
League football operations boss Steve Hocking said the rule had not been brought in to penalise marking actions such as Riewoldt’s, but the penalties against the Tiger were adjudicated correctly under the previous interpretation.
Hardwick said he was pleased common sense had prevailed.
"What else can I get changed this week?" Hardwick joked to reporters on Friday.
"I think (it's) common sense. I think we're all in the same boat with regard to why the rule was bought in.
"But I don't think we quite got the interpretation right. But it was pleasing to see that it did get overturned.
"Decisions are made sometimes and credit where credit is due, I'm really happy the AFL took it on board and decided to implement the change, smart move."
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-rolling-footy-news-from-friday-august-23/live-coverage/ece3fd0c4c70b8bb0c927f495a16e955
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IF YOU DON'T MIND UMPIRE
Richmond's fans gave the umpires a hostile send-off at half time after a series of controversial Lions free kicks. Lynch was pinged for fending off Andrews in the chest before taking a mark and moments later Prestia was nabbed for deliberate out of bounds after hooking a kick 40 metres up field at half forward. But the penalty that most raised Tiger ire was when Lynch, leading back towards goal, pushed off Andrews and was penalised. Lynch then drew a 50-metre penalty for abuse.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-secure-top-four-finish-in-a-cracking-contest-against-the-lions-20190825-p52kk5.html)
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Don’t forget Zorko blocking Lynch in the goalsquare in the first.
A tremendous advantage to them in a few weeks if theyre allowed to blocks Lynchs movements (and indeed draw free kicks) like they did today.
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Beyond abysmal...
I am now convinced after the last 2 week's that the AFL influence games to conceive a result that benefits their agenda.
Towards the end of that first quarter we looked like we were going to blow the lid off the joint and the umps did everything they could to assist Brisbane.
Don't bother looking at the free kick count it says nothing.
The reason why the lions were up and about in the third is because even they knew they could do no wrong
I've never been so disgusted with the umpiring and the AFL's agenda
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Brisbane were applying blocks in marking contests for first half without even bothering to disguise em, not just that one on Lynch
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'Razor Ray' isn't afraid to make a big call on the big stage
Just before half-time Geelong led by 15 points and could easily have been five goals up. A Jason Castagna set-shot conversion had broken a run of five successive goals by the Cats when umpire Ray Chamberlain made a courageous decision. After a marking contest 50 metres from Geelong's goal, Chamberlain blew his whistle to award a free kick to Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield. However, Tiger defender Bachar Houli believed he was the beneficiary and beckoned his skipper Trent Cotchin to give him the ball, and Cotchin obliged. Chamberlain's whistle sounded again and he delivered a 50-metre penalty and the easiest of goals for Dangerfield to the boos of Tigers fans. Late in the third term Chamberlain again incurred the wrath of the yellow-and-black army when he failed to award an apparently obvious 50-metre penalty when Tiger Tom Lynch was lining up from the arc.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/five-things-we-learned-lynch-thrives-on-big-stage
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Razor "can't help myself" Ray
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'Razor Ray' isn't afraid to make a big call on the big stage
Just before half-time Geelong led by 15 points and could easily have been five goals up. A Jason Castagna set-shot conversion had broken a run of five successive goals by the Cats when umpire Ray Chamberlain made a courageous decision. After a marking contest 50 metres from Geelong's goal, Chamberlain blew his whistle to award a free kick to Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield. However, Tiger defender Bachar Houli believed he was the beneficiary and beckoned his skipper Trent Cotchin to give him the ball, and Cotchin obliged. Chamberlain's whistle sounded again and he delivered a 50-metre penalty and the easiest of goals for Dangerfield to the boos of Tigers fans. Late in the third term Chamberlain again incurred the wrath of the yellow-and-black army when he failed to award an apparently obvious 50-metre penalty when Tiger Tom Lynch was lining up from the arc.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/five-things-we-learned-lynch-thrives-on-big-stage
Razor was stooged by Paddy's dive and paid a free that wasn't there, compounded his mistake by only giving a brief signal to indicate to the players which team had the free creating confusion.
Instead of using common sense Razor then paid a knee jerk 50 mt penalty.
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so are we going to hear about dangers drive all week like we did about grimesy????
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so are we going to hear about dangers drive all week like we did about grimesy????
There should be 2 fines this week for staging
One for Dangerfield and one for the that kid Myers who went down after Houli brushed past him in the 3rd like he'd been collected by Balmey in his prime
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so are we going to hear about dangers drive all week like we did about grimesy????
There should be 2 fines this week for staging
One for Dangerfield and one for the that kid Myers who went down after Houli brushed past him in the 3rd like he'd been collected by Balmey in his prime
Cats fans apparently want Chris Scott fined for pretending to be a coach.
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They are pretty dark on Scott and Hawkins. Quite a few of them reckon the umpires were on our side. This was rejected by the more balanced of their supporters lol.
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Surprised nothing was said about Henderson literally mugging Grimes on the goal line on 2 occasions. In reality it looked like 2 easy mark / spoil opportunities that resulted in goals to them.
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Surprised nothing was said about Henderson literally mugging Grimes on the goal line on 2 occasions. In reality it looked like 2 easy mark / spoil opportunities that resulted in goals to them.
Oh man that was peeing me off, he had him in a half nelson, pulling him backwards in front of that idiot umpire multiple times ....nothing to see here carry on...ffs
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Razor needs his own TV show
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Razor is a Fecking eijit...
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When was turning away from the ball and holding a bloke not a free , they should not get a GF
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Conversation on Crunch time on SEN right now is that those umps are in really good form and may end up there next week
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Thought they were ok - horrendous danger free and 50 call aside.
Didn’t blow their whistle every 2 mins like we’ve seen all finals series. Sub 40 free kick count was refreshing.
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Conversation on Crunch time on SEN right now is that those umps are in really good form and may end up there next week
Rayzor in the GF... :facepalm :help
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Thought they were ok - horrendous danger free and 50 call aside.
Didn’t blow their whistle every 2 mins like we’ve seen all finals series. Sub 40 free kick count was refreshing.
Plus missed the 50 metre penalty to Lynch. Thought umpiring was substandard.
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What about when two of our blokes tackled God boy and had him splayed out like Geez on the cross cept on his knees and everyone is staring at the umpire for a full minute...Play on!
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Conversation on Crunch time on SEN right now is that those umps are in really good form and may end up there next week
Rayzor in the GF... :facepalm :help
Confirmed.
Stevic named as well. We will be murdered.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-umpires-2019-razor-ray-chamberlain-in-afl-grand-final-afl-umpire-appointments/news-story/c6e2605b996205f02aef6708b7ac86d3
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Rayzor, Stevic and Shaun Ryan will be the umps on Saturday.
Lauren Wood reports
Herald-Sun
Ray Chamberlain is out of the Grand Final wilderness.
The field umpire – who has not officiated a premiership decider since 2010 – has been confirmed as one of the whistleblowers for Saturday’s Grand Final, joined by Matt Stevic and Shaun Ryan.
But he won’t get the first bounce.
“We’ve had, particularly over the last 10 years that I’ve been involved in September, we’ve had unbelievable umpires … really high-level operators,” he said.
“It’s difficult to get appointed to one … I’m just looking forward to doing my part and being part of a really good team on the weekend.”
Stevic will umpire his seventh Grand Final – his sixth consecutive decider – and will, as “the best bouncer”, have responsibility for the first bounce, with Ryan to officiate his eighth.
“It’s a wonderful privilege (to umpire a Grand Final),” Stevic said.
“You’re grateful for every time you get out onto the G or anywhere around Australia … with the amazing talent in our game, being able to be in the box seat is just such a special opportunity.
“We’re in a really unique spot and we love what we do and Saturday will be no different.”
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-tuesday-24-september-2019/live-coverage/30b1dd2e3765b6a49e37d5b1219a333c
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Rayzor & Stevic....5 goal start for GWS right there.... :facepalm
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:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
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F ME
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The fix is in
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Stevic and Ryan were 2 of the umpires back in 2017
They were very good that day.
So happy with those 2, would have had Rosebury as the 3rd not Rayzor
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Stevic and Ryan were 2 of the umpires back in 2017
They were very good that day.
So happy with those 2, would have had Rosebury as the 3rd not Rayzor
Almost a given that Razer will provide at least one absolute clanger, hopefully it favours us.
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Funny thing is the amount of people on media who think this selection is in our favour haha.
Apparently Razor hates interstate clubs? :)
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You just KNOW that in the dying moments of a very tight contest Rayzer is going to pay some absolutely rubbish tiggy touchwood free kick + 50 against us to stamp his name all over the game.
Cause this is all about Ray.
Can't wait :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Stevic and Ryan were 2 of the umpires back in 2017
They were very good that day.
So happy with those 2, would have had Rosebury as the 3rd not Rayzor
I agree with that. Razor is a problem.
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If Whitfield plays then I'll be watching out for us copping a dodgy "not in the spirit of the game" free against us for touching or bumping his abdomen area :thumbsdown.
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Spot the odd club out that won comfortably yet still had a large negative free kick differential ::).
GWS +9 W
Coll'wood +8 W
Carlton +6 L
Essendon +6 W
Hawthorn +5 W
North +4 W
Port +3 W
Sydney +3 W
Melbourne +2 L
WCEagles -2 W
Adelaide -3 L
G.C. Suns -3 L
St Kilda -4 L
Brisbane -5 L
Fremantle -6 L
Richmond -6 W
Bulldogs -8 L
Geelong -9 L
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Russian roulette tonight :help.
We got pinged a lot going first in for the ball and getting tackled immediately.
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New interpretation is horrible. I don’t care if we benefit from it sometimes it’s hurting the game overall. You’ve got players looking like idiots punching the ball to look like they’re making a genuine attempt, players avoiding picking up the ball completely because they know they’ll just be tackled straight away and potentially give up a free and you’ve got players just straight up throwing the ball because they’re so desperate not to be pinged.
All of this is another knee jerk reaction to try and avoid congestion. Media and commentators always talk about how great footy was in the 80s and 90s well go have a look at how much leniency the ball player was given before they were actually pinged.
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The difference in the 80’s & early 90’s was that there wasn’t the stupid rule called “prior opportunity” nor was there a stupid “made an attempt” classification.
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If you had time to take a second step you had prior opportunity....umpires also seem to let blokes off more often than not because they had no team mate to give it to...that's hardly the stuffing point you dippoos... :shh
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Different rules tonight in the Port-vs-StK game. Back to the old interpretation for HTB. So much for consistency :::). Makes you wonder if there's been another directive overnight from HQ to ease off from the ridiculous whistle-happy umpiring that spoiled our game.
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This is a nonsense’: Richmond left feeling like deliberate out of bounds rule was changed and they weren’t told
August 4, 2020
Both Richmond and the viewers at home have been left puzzled by a series of umpiring decisions around the deliberate out of bounds rule on Tuesday night.
The Tigers were the victims of two consecutive free kicks paid under the rule within 30 seconds, leaving Fox Footy’s commentators asking whether the rule had been changed and no-one was told.
The first free kick was paid against Liam Baker who dribbled a kick out of the Tigers’ defensive 50, bouncing towards teammate Marlion Pickett but then suddenly bouncing out of bounds.
Despite coming extremely close to finding a target, Baker was still penalised.
“It rolled about a metre in front of Pickett,” St Kilda great Nick Riewoldt said on Fox Footy.
Melbourne champion Garry Lyon added: “Essentially any kick out of bounds between the arcs is gonna be paid.
“The umpire must be a good judge of footy talent, because the players can’t bend the ball like that, so he’s assessed that was exactly what he meant.”
Then only a few seconds later, Ivan Soldo’s accidental kick out of bounds was also penalised for deliberate.
“Oh no,” Lyon said. “I’m telling you Rooey, last man to kick it or touch it gives a free kick!”
Riewoldt responded: “Then just bring the rule in.”
They weren’t the only ones confused by the calls.
Just make it last touched and be done with it. This is a nonsense.
— Andy Maher (@AndyMaherDFA) August 4, 2020
https://www.aflcrowcast.com/this-is-a-nonsense-richmond-left-feeling-like-deliberate-out-of-bounds-rule-was-changed-and-they-werent-told/
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Absolutely pathetic to pay them one way only
Best one was Charlie stay out, Charlie rucks and no free
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Absolutely pathetic to pay them one way only
Best one was Charlie stay out, Charlie rucks and no free
:clapping
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Between the commentating on Fox and the umpiring the game was contrived for port to win, pathetic the number of incorrect disposals Port had and the free kicks were bewildering
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It stinks
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I've always wondered whether the AFL is rigged. There have always been suspicious tribunal decisions and the umpuring has always been poor. This is for 40 years it's been poor not just this year or last. They have NFL to look at which is the gold standard in umpiring and soccer which is blatantly corrupt and they have chosen closer to the latter then the former. I really do wonder if the high ups have ordained Port or Brisbane will win this year.
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According to the Port supporters they were robbed 11 times. :rollin
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According to the Port supporters they were robbed 11 times. :rollin
They need to change their to Port Boganlaide
Bunch of ferals on ice
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They're the South Australian Collingwood...'nuff said... :shh
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They're the South Australian Collingwood...'nuff said... :shh
and the foxtel port.
did you listen to that commentary yesterday Dio. FMD that was rubbish. Grey falls forward and fakes it yet eddie was virtually screaming for a free. Worst examples of bias i have ever heard yesterday.
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Fat Ed is a salty old campaigner - nough said
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We had the better of it for sure
The free kick numbers quite often lie and this was a prime example game
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We had the better of it for sure
The free kick numbers quite often lie and this was a prime example game
Are you taking the pee Damo??
FMD, and apologies if you are kidding but who knows these days with the amount of flogs commenting.
The umpiring yesterday was horrible. We had half the amount of free kicks.
The HTB decision was completely different for both sides.
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'Absolute disgrace': AFL world erupts over 'horrible' moment
au.sports.yahoo.com
9 August 2020
AFL fans and commentators erupted in anger on Saturday over what many labelled the worst umpiring decision of the season.
Port Adelaide fans threatened to “tear the place down” at Adelaide Oval after back-to-back umpiring howlers cost them against Richmond.
Early in the tense encounter, Richmond’s Jack Riewoldt was awarded a free kick for what the umpire deemed interference from Port defender Tom Clurey.
However Dustin Martin had clearly shoved Clurey into Riewoldt, causing the collision.
Port Adelaide fans exploded in anger as Riewoldt kicked the ensuing goal, and commentators couldn’t help but agree.
“Oh, I thought it was a free kick against Dustin Martin,” Dwayne Russell said on Fox Footy.
“He gave one of the best shoves you’ve ever seen, Dustin Martin … this is an extraordinary decision.
“That’s a horrible decision, just a horrible decision.”
Port fans felt they were dudded again moments later when Riewoldt appeared to get away with holding the ball, only for Martin to play on and kick another goal.
“They are going berserk over there at Adelaide Oval,” Eddie McGuire said on Fox Footy.
“It’s madness over there. Twice in a row now, Port Adelaide … have been absolutely murdered by the umpiring.”
Fans and commentators also took to social media to slam the standard of umpiring.
“Is Dustin Martin the most protected player in the game? What a farce. That is an absolute disgrace,” sports journalist Jack Hudson tweeted.
Sydney Swans champion Jude Bolton posted: “Port fans sounding like they will torch the Adelaide Oval with the umpiring going against them inside the lie defensive 50.”
Journalist Craig Cook posted: “The umpiring is the biggest story of the AFL 2020 season - beyond inept.
“Teams should be allowed a video review for a shocking decision like that one with the Martin push.”
Footy legend Graham Cornes wrote: “Port Adelaide definitely shafted by three incomprehensible decisions or maybe that’s non-decisions”, while journo Vince Rugari labelled it an “absolute stitch up”.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl-2020-fans-erupt-disgraceful-umpiring-controversy-221108037.html
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There were two bad calls for us. The missed htb as well.
Besides that...quite one sided?
More witch hunting!
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Will they scrutinise every decision or only the ones that cost them goals? :rollin
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We still in line for our third free kick differential wooden spoon in four years (were 13th and in the negative last year too)? :shh
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Win the free kick count by double the opposition and still complain about the umpiring??
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Win the free kick count by double the opposition and still complain about the umpiring??
Its only the toothless bogans from Port and the Richmond haters that really believe they got a bad deal
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The Port bogans really do make the Collingwood bogans look second rate dont they?
I remember being at the Elimination final a few years back and just marveling at how feral and gross they are.
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Watching the Crows V Pies and Razor Ray is doing his best to keep the Pies in it. He is the only umpire ever blowing the whistle in games he umpires.
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#freekickcollingwood(&westcoast&bulldogs) confirmed:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/revealed-the-full-report-which-blows-the-lid-on-which-clubs-are-the-darlings-of-afl-umpires.1225996/#post-62326204
http://media.news.com.au/multimedia/2019/AFL-free-kick/Free-kick-analysis.pdf
:shh
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It's starting to feel like a type of handicap system being applied by the umpires against us.
Maybe it's my imagination but we have to do so much more to get a HTB decision whereas the opposition only seem to do the absolute minimum in comparison.
Our forwards get literally attacked by their direct opponents every time they attempt to contest the ball, at the other end we seem to have soft frees paid against our defenders.
We only have to kick near the boundary line and it's immediately intentional even considering a random bounce sideways, the opposition in comparison seem to have their boundary kicks judged as a non intentional miss kick even though it's clear as day what their intention was.
Funny how in the finals with all eyes watching the handicap system then seems to be removed.
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Agree 100%
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Another disgusting performance
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We apparently have no heads.
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How many times will Tomahawk get away with clear push in the backs?
I’ve counted 3 and it’s only half time. :banghead
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Umps wearing blue & white hoops tonight #FreeKickGeelong :rolleyes.
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We apparently have no heads.
Clearly
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This is appalling.
Bolton's been targeted for sure. HTB no problem, he's been caught, but that deliberate was criminal!
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I’ve seen some bad displays by the stuffers but this is the worse by stuffing far
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How many times will Tomahawk get away with clear push in the backs?
I’ve counted 3 and it’s only half time. :banghead
def
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Can anyone explain to me why it wasn't a free-kick for push in the back from hawkins on Balta that got Soldo injured because I'm lost.
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Another truly stuffing useless display
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And the brand new stupid rule this week is:
Chase for 30m and run down an opponent = ball knocked out in the tackle and play on :huh3 ::)
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At an all time low :banghead
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At an all time low :banghead
Agree
But if I don't do this :jump :lol
I end up with a shocking headache because of this :banghead
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How do you win by 44 points, have 61 tackles, and yet get 8 free kicks?
Out of that 61 tackles, I would say we got 3 HTB decisions.
The umpiring is at an all time low.
They just hate us.
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It's across the league at the moment. S Hocking has a lot to answer for as he is a :wallywink
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Frees:
Adelaide 17
Richmond 8
Yet Crows fans are still sooking.
Riewoldt propelling himself forward in every single marking contest, can’t believe he doesn’t get done for staging
Putrid umpiring display!
Richmond will always be too good with that kind of assistance.
The Richmond bias umpiring and pro Richmond commentary always kills the enjoyment. It's always ugly.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/good-bad-vs-richmond.1248034/
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https://twitter.com/Jpana75/status/1307241724952023042
"Play on ...." :facepalm
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What about the Cotchin kick off the ground in a pack that went 30m, that was called deliberate- that was a horrible decision
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiFU6a0U4AA1_GU.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/AFLZeroHanger/photos/pb.192716170902619.-2207520000../1706498589524362/
Another -9 to our tally from the Crows game. So we're now -58 (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif).
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So I just watched the game again and I only counted 6 free kicks to us.
3x head high
1x deliberate out of bounds (which isn’t really a free kick if it’s blatant)
2x holding the balls
So from our 61 tackles we got rewarded twice with HTB.
And of the 3 head high free kicks we got, 2 of them were paid advantage, so we had the footy anyway.
FMD!
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How was that holding the ball against Vlastuin when there was no tackle and the ball was knocked out of his grasp
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That was 50 to Kmac
Cheat stuffers
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These umpires are making conscious decisions to not award free kicks. The K-Mac non-50 was obviously not in the contest.
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Nah, not deliberate, there was a Lions player nearby... absolute crap if you watched the replay of our H&A game today, we got pinged every time.
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The umpies are heading down the race to sing the song with the lions in the huddle
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Hooter - where you been ya old lefty scumbag? :santa
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Mollison is a stuffen campaigner
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'Let them play': Damien Hardwick lashes 'trigger happy' umpires after Richmond's undisciplined loss
By Chris De Silva
Nine WWOS
October 3, 2020
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has urged "trigger happy" umpires to allow players to play in finals after his side paid a hefty price for a number of 50m penalties.
Hardwick's Tigers gave away a remarkable four 50m penalties in the first half alone, with one double-penalty giving the Brisbane Lions a vital goal just before the half-time siren.
Lachie Neale's goal gave Brisbane a 14-point half-time lead, and the Tigers were unable to claw into the lead in the second half as the Lions ran out 10. 9. (69) to 8. 6. (54) winners at the Gabba.
Following the loss, which sees Richmond play their first semi-final since 2001, Hardwick lamented his players' lack of discipline which reared its ugly head.
Richmond will have to traverse the long path if they are to reach the Grand Final this year after the loss (Getty)
The veteran coach called the umpires "trigger happy" at the half-time break and urged his side to adjust accordingly, and expanded on his point after the loss.
"The situation is it is a volatile game and players will get angry," he said.
"At the end of the day the game is umpired in a certain way. It is a final, let them play. It's for the players to play."
While Hardwick admitted that "the better team won", he was left frustrated by the Tigers' controllable errors.
"I just thought we gave away undisciplined free kicks at the back end of that second quarter and the reality is that was the difference in the game," he said.
"I think there were two 50m goals and a couple of other goals we gave away through stoppages.
"It's disappointing because we control that so we've got to be better at that part of the game. Every now and then it rears its ugly head and it's on the big stage."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/damien-hardwick-criticises-trigger-happy-umpires-after-richmond-undisciplined-play/6a21baa1-9b45-4ea9-8bd2-5414a530c009?ocid=Social-AFLFS
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The Tigers were the third worst free-kick team in 2020, winning the count just four times during the home and away season. Only Essendon and Hawthorn fared worse with umpires.
The free kick count would finish 17-11 in Brisbane’s favour. More free kicks were paid in Thursday night’s qualifying final, with Port Adelaide finishing with a 16-15 lead in the count.
Post-match, Hardwick’s press conference began with him detailing why his team’s sloppy work in the clinches cost them the game.
“I just thought we gave away undisciplined free-kicks in the back end of that second quarter,” he said.
“The reality was that was the difference in the game. There was two 50 metre goals and a couple of other goals we gave away from stoppage and it’s disappointing. We control that. We have to be better to be better in that part of the game.
When pressed on the similarities between Friday night’s match and te club’s Round 11 loss to Port Adelaide (when the free-kick count was 22-11 in favour of the Power), Hardwick conceded a pattern has emerged.
“Every now and then it rears its ugly head on the big stage. It was really disappointing,” he said.
“The players know and understand. The situation is that it’s a volatile game. Players will get angry.”
Back in 2013, Hardwick had the umpires in his sights also, but his view was noticeably different.
“The thing that we just like as a ... fraternity is just the consistency,” he said.
“My theory ... is the rules are the rules. If they’re there, pay the free kicks.’’
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-brisbane-vs-richmond-highlights-double-50-metre-penalty-lachie-neale-goal-lions-tigers-fight-gabba-finals/news-story/c9760ed1aaad7ebac38acdd0fedc5332
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Hooter - where you been ya old lefty scumbag? :santa
hiding from COVID, Trump, Frysenberg, my mum died so the old man needs a bit of looking after.
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It's time our players grew up. We've been playing with fire for a few years now and it cost us dearly last night
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Caro was wondering why the umps were wearing yellow and black last night. In one instance she thought Cotch mistook an umpire for a teammate.
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Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.
Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!
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Ill-discipline at the centre of Tigers review
Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
4 October 2020
Speaking on Sunday, Richmond captain Trent Cotchin said the side's indiscipline – having also been on the wrong end of a 17-11 free-kick count on the night – was a major reason for the potentially pivotal 15-point defeat.
"There's no hiding away from the fact they kicked a few goals from free kicks," Cotchin said.
"Some were just part of the game, but the 50m penalties … I think they kicked three goals from 50m penalties. They're the things that are probably in our control that do determine the scoreboard.
"We'll look at them. There are some things where the boys know we want to play to the edge in regard to our toughness and what we bring to the contest. But there are also some things that we can control and we want to eradicate those out of our game."
It was the second time Hardwick has been made to answer for Richmond's poor discipline this season, after Josh Caddy also gave away a costly 50m penalty in a tough loss to Port Adelaide in round 11.
However, despite the increased number of 50m penalties given away by the Tigers on Friday night, Cotchin said the umpiring hadn't been an issue that had been discussed inside the club either before or after the match.
"It hasn't been spoken about in regard to how red-hot they were on it," Cotchin said.
"I think it's just part and parcel of the game and you accept that. You learn to live with it and you move on. Effectively, their role within the game is to control it.
"I'm the first to admit I would not want to be an umpire in an AFL game because there are so many different challenges within it, just like a player as well."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/514306/ill-discipline-at-the-centre-of-tigers-review
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Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.
Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!
Naitanui also in the pies game. No fifty.
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.
But no grace offered when it was our players . :rollin
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Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.
Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!
Naitanui also in the pies game. No fifty.
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.
But no grace offered when it was our players . :rollin
This actually peees me off a lot when players kick the ball away. They do it assuming they have got the advantage and then pretend they can't hear anything or hope it was quick enough to pretend as much.
All year I've been wanted that crap called.
Now they pull the trigger for one game against us.
Just be consistent. I'm ok if it's done every time. Bolton and Martin clearly knew they'd given away frees.
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Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.
Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!
Naitanui also in the pies game. No fifty.
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.
But no grace offered when it was our players . :rollin
This actually peees me off a lot when players kick the ball away. They do it assuming they have got the advantage and then pretend they can't hear anything or hope it was quick enough to pretend as much.
All year I've been wanted that crap called.
Now they pull the trigger for one game against us.
Just be consistent. I'm ok if it's done every time. Bolton and Martin clearly knew they'd given away frees.
All we ask for is consistency during games and from match to match.
However, they've hardly paid kicking the footy after a free during the H/A season when there was no crowd and no excuse for not hearing the umpire. Now all of sudden they nail us twice in a final in front of a loud crowd for the first time this year but don't pay 50 for the exact same indiscretion in the other finals ::). It was really poor umpiring on the night IMO showing a lack of awareness of the situation. Seems the umps became flusted as well and they were trigger happy as Dimma said. IMV we clearly became frustrated with the umpiring in the first half favouring Brisbane (no 50s against Berry on Kmac or Robinson on Pickett) and it got the better of us mentally leading to undisciplined acts and not focusing on the process.
We need to learn from it and accept we're not the AFL's darlings. We're going to have to win the hard way. Put what happened away in the back of our minds and seek revenge next time we play where it matters on the scoreboard.
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AFL umpiring: Pies ranked No. 1 for free kicks in 2020
Richmond has coughed up a staggering 25 50m penalties this year. No other club has given away more than 17. Who are the repeat offenders?
Sam Landsberger dives into the key umpiring stats ahead of the semi-finals.
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
8 October 2020
Richmond’s lack of discipline has been laid bare, with the Tigers ranked second-last for free kick differential and last for giving away 50m penalties in 2020.
The Tigers have coughed up a staggering 25 50m penalties this year, with Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton all conceding three each.
That’s effectively giving away 1250m gained, which is further than Dustin Martin, Shai Bolton and Trent Cotchin advanced the ball on Friday night.
No other club has given away more than 17 this season, while fellow finalists Western Bulldogs (six), St Kilda (eight) and West Coast (nine) have conceded far less from the same number of games (18).
Bolton’s two unforgivable 50m penalties against Brisbane on Friday night gifted the Lions two goals in the 15-point loss.
“We gave away undisciplined free kicks in the back end of that second quarter and the reality is that was the difference in the game,” Hardwick said.
“We have got to get better in that part of the game.
“Every now and then it rears its ugly head and unfortunately it was on the big stage, so it’s really disappointing.”
The Tigers addressed their mild case of white-line fever after Martin and Josh Caddy gave away 50m penalties in the Round 11 loss to Port Adelaide.
“We’ve got a bit of a protocol at the moment, if you do give away a 50, young Parker’s nappy, Trent’s baby, will be getting changed by that person,” Hardwick said a the time.
Hardwick said at halftime the umpires were “trigger happy” and, after the loss, called for them to just let the players play.
Free kicks were down from 32.2 (home-and-away) to 27.6 (week one) to start the finals
But the Tigers are -64 for the season, which is 15 worse than the 16th-ranked Essendon.
Scott’s team isn’t far behind the sloppy Tigers, with Geelong -44 in free kicks, ranked 15th.
Collingwood (+76) and Port Adelaide (+45) are the umpires’ darlings this season, ranked No. 1 and 2 in the AFL.
The Magpies even managed to win the free kick count 16-12 against West Coast at Perth Stadium on Saturday night.
The other remaining finalists have just about broken even, with the Lions +3 and St Kilda -3.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-umpiring-ray-chamberlain-retained-for-geelongcollingwood-clash-pies-ranked-no-1-for-free-kicks-in-2020/news-story/12f82899ab6eefd818ea172d9f5657ba
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We must have been an undisciplined side for the past 4 years then as those free kick differential stats haven't changed since 2017 ::).
Richmond's 2020 free kick count (& differential) in our 12 wins, 5 losses & draw:
Lost free kick count won free kick count drew free kick count
Wins: 10 (-55) 2 (+5)
Losses: 3 (-19) 1 (+4) 1
Draw: 1 (+1)
https://finalsiren.com/Fixture.asp?TeamID=8
So apparently we're more "undisciplined" in our wins by over 5 frees against per game :huh ::).
The free kick count in both Brisbane games this year were virtually identical (R10: 11-18; QF: 11-17) despite the opposing results.
Let's not bring up us flogging Norf by 9 goals and having more tackles yet lost the free kick count 11-18.
Or the Adelaide game where we won by 8 goals, had 21 more tackles yet lost the free kick count 8-17. Just 8 frees to a side that dominated :lol.
Or the Geelong game - dominated 3/4ers of it, more tackles but you guessed it 11-17 against in frees.
I'm not saying we don't give away some dumb frees & 50s but it's amazing how opposition sides somehow hardly give away frees and 50s against us often for the same indiscretion.
ps. That's my umpiring rant for the day ;D.
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Nailed it! It’s not how many we give away, it’s the obvious ones we don’t get!
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We got shafted against Brisbane and even if we squeeze past the Saints the reaming that awaits in Adelaide will require a truckload of lube
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Wow.... umps given directives at half time??
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This is dead set cheating
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The problem is, I don’t think the AFL cares how any of this sh*t looks.
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Wow.... umps given directives at half time??
Who said? Is this fact?
What were these “directives”.
Seems like a heap of bovine schatology to me.
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2 of the 3 umps are the same as we had last week. Mollison should never umpire any of our games let alone two finals in a row.
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ARC Blunders: One all?
‘Archaic nonsense’: Garry Lyon questions validity of Saint Dan Butler’s clutch goal
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was left frustrated in the coaches’ box, while Lyon said Butler’s kick and subsequent goal should’ve been reviewed.
“That is an archaic nonsense. Just a nonsense,” Lyon told AFL Nation.
“We leave these stupid little unresolved issues open and they bite in a final.
“We stop a game for three minutes to work out the slightest touch of a post and we’re happy to recall that, yet in half a second we can tell you whether it was kicked before or after a siren, but no, we’re not doing that. I mean, please.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-dan-butler-goal-vs-richmond-siren-rules-umpire-hears-siren-garry-lyon-richmond-vs-st-kilda/news-story/e19fe93760d35e071ce85e7c681313e3
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St Kilda were robbed against Richmond by an ‘embarrassing’ blunder
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-robbed-of-a-critical-goal-after-embarrassing-arc-blunder/news-story/3930a9038b46fea5d7b5f415c41efdcc
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The issue with the first one isn't the ball being kicked by Butler as the siren went. That's okay.
The issue is the siren didn't get blown by the timekeeper in the first place until about 3 seconds after the clock ran down to zero.
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St Kilda were robbed against Richmond by an ‘embarrassing’ blunder
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-robbed-of-a-critical-goal-after-embarrassing-arc-blunder/news-story/3930a9038b46fea5d7b5f415c41efdcc
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Check that the ball was entirely over the line which it was not (IMO)
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There is no doubt the time keeper resisted blowing the siren until after butler kicked that goal.
Easily 3 seconds after the clock ran down to zero.
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If that is the case he should sacked or suspended complete failure has the afl got the balls to investigate.
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St Kilda were robbed against Richmond by an ‘embarrassing’ blunder
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-robbed-of-a-critical-goal-after-embarrassing-arc-blunder/news-story/3930a9038b46fea5d7b5f415c41efdcc
Check that the ball was entirely over the line which it was not (IMO)
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So the umpire said it was touched by Vlastuin and was the closest to the play, and these media flogs are saying Vlastuin is a cheat and the decision is incorrect due to this vision- spare me!
The vision is so inconclusive and grainy the correct decision was made! Should the goal umpire have called it touched, the same outcome would have been made with the available vision- umpires call.
How are some people making a living in the media? :help
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Richmond's Nick Vlastuin bites back at cheating claims after controversial goal review
Anna Harrington
AAP
10 October 2020 4:17 pm
Richmond defender Nick Vlastuin is adamant he touched Jack Sinclair’s kick for goal that drew a lengthy score review in Friday night’s AFL semi-final.
The Tigers were leading St Kilda by 32 points late in the second quarter when Sinclair launched from distance, with Vlastuin running back with the flight in a bid to avoid the Saints cutting the deficit to 26.
The goal umpire ruled Vlastuin had touched the ball on its way through, but called for a score review.
Some still frames showed daylight between Vlastuin’s clenched fist and the ball, while others appeared to show it grazing his hand.
After a lengthy process, the AFL’s reviewer deferred to the goal umpire’s original on-field call, with a behind awarded.
The AFL confirmed the score reviewer had seen insufficient evidence to overturn the original decision.
On Saturday, Vlastuin took umbrage with suggestions he’d claimed to touch the ball without making contact.
“When you know you touched the ball, the goal umpire thinks so too, but someone watching from the stands calls you a cheat, what is that?” Vlastuin tweeted.
After tweeting his thoughts on the issue, Vlastuin also shared still frames that appeared to show he made contact with the ball.
St Kilda coach Brett Ratten dismissed conjecture over the decision post-match, instead focusing on St Kilda’s inaccuracy in front of goal.
“Does it matter (if I thought it was a goal)?” Ratten said of the decision.
“They’re not gonna change it (the decision). Can they replay it and we go out there and finish off the game? They’re not doing that.
“So we can get caught up in all that ... but they are not changing the decision. We couldn’t kick them from the goal square, let alone get a bit of assistance when we thought we got one - so we had (ourselves) to blame.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/vlastuin-sure-he-touched-sinclairs-kick-c-1378031
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The agenda from some in the media to drop the boot into the Tiges on any pretence no matter how small is deadset putrid acts from low life human beings.
Despite Vlas claiming touched straight away the flogs immediately put their own spin on it and tried to make something out of nothing.
Stuffholes
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People hate what they fear ...prefer this to all those oppo flogs who used to say shyte like "I have a soft spot for the ol' Tiges" or even worse said we were their second team....that's what people say when you're non-threatening... that's what people used to say about Fitzroy....both far worse insults IMO... :shh
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I absolutely love being hated.
We finally get the chance to be taken seriously ..... and that makes us hated.
This would be a beautiful flag to win because it would take the whole hatred to a new level.
I thoroughly enjoyed telling the Port fans at work last week that they’ll know there playing a side this Friday night - a far cry from our last final in Adelaide
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Dimma trying to get on the good side of the umps so we don't get ripped off tonight. He congratulated Stevic on his 400th over the PA on the plane.
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Umps tonight:
Stevic, Meredith & DeBoy
https://aflua.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020-AFL-Match-Official-Appointments-FINALS-Week-3-formatted.pdf
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Oh gawd! Not clueless SA homeboy DeBoy for freak's sake :facepalm :help
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Which one is that blonde punce that likes to impose himself early on the game with soft free kicks?
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Which one is that blonde punce that likes to impose himself early on the game with soft free kicks?
Razor Ray?
All brunettes tonight.
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Not meant to be a sook at the umps tonight as I thought they were pretty fair and consistent. But why was deliberate OOBs made surprise rule of the week in a Prelim final? It obviously came from the powers that be and not the umps. This out of the blue interpretation change is what ticks off us supporters.
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Not meant to be a sook at the umps tonight as I thought they were pretty fair and consistent. But why was deliberate OOBs made surprise rule of the week in a Prelim final? It obviously came from the powers that be and not the umps. This out of the blue interpretation change is what ticks off us supporters.
At least they were consistent
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I think they had 8 or 9 free kicks to our 2 in the last quarter.
It was heart in the mouth stuff. The umps did their best to give them every chance to win.
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Rioli’s 50 against, he clearly thought it was his free kick. In the audio all you could hear was the umpire blow the whistle and say holding the man. Never said who it was awarded to. Even before the 50 was paid no umpire was calling him off or showing which way the free was going.
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Can't stand Stevic... :thumbsdown.
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Well umpired for the most part I thought.
Was expecting a large crowd influence but umps kept their head and were fair.
Glad they put the whistle away, why can’t all games be umpired this way?!
Well done umpires :thumbsup
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Put the whistle away??
There was 43 free kicks!!!!
I would suggest that would be very close to the most in a Richmond game this year .. thought they were too involved .. especially deliberate.. in saying that , I don’t think we were treated too badly
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Stevic had a shocker. Paid the feee to Ladhams for a goal and was poor on the deliberate interpretations
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I thought they umpired well apart from the start of the 4th but came good.
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Well umpired for the most part I thought.
Was expecting a large crowd influence but umps kept their head and were fair.
Glad they put the whistle away, why can’t all games be umpired this way?!
Well done umpires :thumbsup
Agree
Thought they were good last night and not influenced by the crowd
DeBoy is known to be whistle happy at home on Adelaide
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Well umpired for the most part I thought.
Was expecting a large crowd influence but umps kept their head and were fair.
Glad they put the whistle away, why can’t all games be umpired this way?!
Well done umpires :thumbsup
Agree
Thought they were good last night and not influenced by the crowd
DeBoy is known to be whistle happy at home on Adelaide
someone was whistle happy , 43 free kicks
all up 34 in SF & 28 in QF
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The free kick that I was most curious about was from the kick-in after Lynch’s miss to start the 4th quarter. Dixon jumped into the back of one if our players and got awarded a free kick for a block.
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The free kick that I was most curious about was from the kick-in after Lynch’s miss to start the 4th quarter. Dixon jumped into the back of one if our players and got awarded a free kick for a block.
I thought I was the only person who noticed that
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Then there was the high contact free kick later on and just before Vlas gave away the free kick in front of the sticks, 2 Port players collided and somehow got a free kick.
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Then there was the high contact free kick later on and just before Vlas gave away the free kick in front of the sticks, 2 Port players collided and somehow got a free kick.
I thought I was the only person to notice that. :lol
Was a shocker
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Must have been a one-night only rule. No such thing as deliberate in tonight's prelim :huh.
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Vlaustin got his head taken off in the middle.
Play on. :rollin
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Then there was the high contact free kick later on and just before Vlas gave away the free kick in front of the sticks, 2 Port players collided and somehow got a free kick.
I thought I was the only person to notice that. :lol
Was a shocker
The missus had to leave the room when that happened some how a port player hitting another port player with his hip was our fault LOL I shook the house foundations roaring at the bastard umpire.
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Must have been a one-night only rule. No such thing as deliberate in tonight's prelim :huh.
There were at least three tonight that weren't paid that would've been paid deliberate last night.
#UmpsConsistentlyInconsistent ::)
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Oh how bout that throw from the Geelong player to Gabblett Junior god boy for a goal LOL so blatant, good show umpire!
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Oh how bout that throw from the Geelong player to Gabblett Junior god boy for a goal LOL so blatant, good show umpire!
Dangerfield threw that. Ump on the wrong side to see it.
Reminds me of Dusty to Jack in last year's QF against Brisbane :laugh:.
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lol fair enough
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THE AFL is pleased to announce the umpiring panel for the 2020 Toyota AFL Grand Final between Richmond and the Geelong Cats, to be played at the Gabba this Saturday, October 24.
Matt Stevic, Simon Meredith and Craig Fleer have been selected as the field umpires with Robert Findlay named as the emergency.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/520299/afl-reveals-umpires-for-afl-grand-final
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We will get reamed whoever does it
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How the hell did Stevic get a gig after those horrendous DOB calls in our Prelim!
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Stevic :facepalm
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Stevic umpired in the 2017 and 2019 GFs, so issue from me. Ditto with Meredith
I'd be more worried about Fleer ;D :help
But hey, at least he can bounce the thing :rollin
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If Stevic carries his form from the prelim into the match then we'll be up against it.... :shh
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Can someone explain to me how this is play on?
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/HowIsThatNoATrip.png) (https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1372479037080281090)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1372479037080281090
It should be a trip and a free to Kmac. It was a bloody Rugby tackle around the legs ::).
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I got nothing
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What’s even funnier is the commentators were debating why It wasn’t holding the ball :facepalm :facepalm
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I was fuming when that happened. Can’t believe blues supporters were angry it wasn’t paid htb.
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What’s even funnier is the commentators were debating why It wasn’t holding the ball :facepalm :facepalm
It was definitely a trip IMO
But one way or another it had to be a free, either a trip or holding the ball.
It simply cannot be "flap, di flap" play on :help :banghead
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Is any tech heads able to post the trip here please?
Clearly a trip but in typical Carlton fashion looking forward excludes as to why they lost.
I’d love to send it off to those years Carlton supporters this morning who are rambling on about it.
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Had some crap ones go the other way for us too.
Nank's rushed behind should have been a free to them.
Anyways...1 round in and we're already -10 for frees despite winning KPI's like tackles. Looks like another year of the same old...
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Yeah I felt like a shower after the stupid standing on the mark fifties. But then I remember Vlas getting ironed out dangerously and the prick calling play on etc. and so forth.
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I thought Broad was stiff to give a free kick away mid last quarter for high contact on a spoil. Live it looked like all ball and just normal incidental body contact but they didn’t show a replay.
Frees were 7-19 at half time.
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I thought Broad was stiff to give a free kick away mid last quarter for high contact on a spoil. Live it looked like all ball and just normal incidental body contact but they didn’t show a replay.
Frees were 7-19 at half time.
That was pure cheating.
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Is any tech heads able to post the trip here please?
Clearly a trip but in typical Carlton fashion looking forward excludes as to why they lost.
I’d love to send it off to those years Carlton supporters this morning who are rambling on about it.
Here you go, Frankie.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/trip.gif)
It wasn't as though the umps were blindsided either. The trip happened right in front of ump #26 :facepalm.
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It was simply shocking last night. Ump 32 was horrendous :shh
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Now that I'm watching 2'teams I care nothing about the stand rule is absolute garbage and has to go.
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Now that I'm watching 2'teams I care nothing about the stand rule is absolute garbage and has to go.
Watching on TV, it looked like both sides were just flooding numbers back to counter the standing rule and so the ball was bouncing between the arcs. 17 goals combined is hardly high scoring. Even last year with shorter games and without the rule we saw scores of 69-53.
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A petty rule, a truly SHocking rule.. :shh
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I thought Broad was stiff to give a free kick away mid last quarter for high contact on a spoil. Live it looked like all ball and just normal incidental body contact but they didn’t show a replay.
Frees were 7-19 at half time.
That was pure cheating.
Might be a bit biased but I also seem to notice that when there is a contentious decision our way they replay from about 50 different camera angles and then in super slowmo. When it goes the other way, maybe one replay if we're lucky, might just be coincidence but it's happened a few times.
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Bloody nuff nuffs declaring the new rule a success what a joke. If kicking more goals was the aim then in two games so far its been an utter failure.
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That's probably the worst non call by an umpire for Geelong there. What a howler.
I'm sure we're all death riding cats losses so I'm quite upset.
Umpires in general weren't very good at all.
Chris Scott angry at every umpires call where he throws the phone is priceless
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That's probably the worst non call by an umpire for Geelong there. What a howler.
I'm sure we're all death riding cats losses so I'm quite upset.
Umpires in general weren't very good at all.
Chris Scott angry at every umpires call where he throws the phone is priceless
Yep. Another game of poor umpiring. It's been a whole day for it :thumbsdown.
How about this Selwood rugby pass too right in front of the ump:
https://gyazo.com/c323f4545a53a83d1fcf44b7b737820d
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Geez! That was rugby through was dodge! And to think oppo supporters have a go at sheds fast hands which are legit handballs
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That's probably the worst non call by an umpire for Geelong there. What a howler.
I'm sure we're all death riding cats losses so I'm quite upset.
Umpires in general weren't very good at all.
Chris Scott angry at every umpires call where he throws the phone is priceless
Yep. Another game of poor umpiring. It's been a whole day for it :thumbsdown.
How about this Selwood rugby pass too right in front of the ump:
https://gyazo.com/c323f4545a53a83d1fcf44b7b737820d
A bit younger and the Wallabies would snap him up :lol
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Guthrie's non-HTB + illegal disposal also terrible.
Last quarter the umps pushed Geelong over the line. Free kicks all the way down the field from the Selwood 50m.
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What a disgraceful first qtr by the maggots
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Free to Heeney disgusting. Lynch gets held like that every quarter
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Well at least they are being consistent
Obviously been promoted up from the AFLW, totally shambolic
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How was that not a mark to Nank
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Why was that a free against McIntosh
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This umpiring is disgraceful, head scratching.
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Trying to even it up in the last qtr the cheats
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No more 'it's not any easy game to umpire' crap, paying clear marks isn't hard. Players spun 360 is holding the ball. It's not hard.
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Umpires made some mistakes as always.
I think we were still the worst team out on the ground in regards to mistakes and decision making.
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Why was that a free against McIntosh
Apparently the ump paid below the knee contract (taking out Rampe's legs).
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The game is stuffed with Hocking in charge of the rules and Richardson in charge of the umpires. Today was disgusting
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Certainly weren't the reason we lost but they certainky made sure we never got too close... :thumbsdown
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Certainly weren't the reason we lost but they certainky made sure we never got too close... :thumbsdown
Perfect summation :clapping
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Stop making excuses. Today was classic we have won too many premierships stuff them. Classic bias cheating.
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Every 50 50 decision went their way apposed to every 50 50 our way ignored. Was as blatant as ever seen in the AFL comp. Was disgraceful.
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Papley and Heeney were untouchable today whereas any head contact on us was called play on.
The blatant cheating decision was Nank's mark. It was right in front of Ump #7 (Dalgleish) who had clear vision of it but he kept silent. It was the umpire 50m away in the centre of the groumd (Ump #4) who flapped his arms and called play on.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/576634/tigers-fans-furious-after-non-mark-call-ends-sour
As I said in the game thread, our pathetic-ness hid a disgraceful umpiring display. Ump #4 (Power) should never umpire our matches ever again.
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The Swans new they were getting everything. They kept playing on after blatant frees against. The McIntosh hit was a classic example. Our players stopped expecting an obvious free and they played on and got another goal.
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Papley and Heeney were untouchable today whereas any head contact on us was called play on.
The blatant cheating decision was Nank's mark. It was right in front of Ump #7 (Dalgleish) who had clear vision of it but he kept silent. It was the umpire 50m away in the centre of the groumd (Ump #4) who flapped his arms and called play on.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/576634/tigers-fans-furious-after-non-mark-call-ends-sour
As I said in the game thread, our pathetic-ness hid a disgraceful umpiring display. Ump #4 (Power) should never umpire our matches ever again.
Not making excuses that is plain cheating how many umpires on the ground now ? we should get a explanation.
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i hate to be seen making excuses but i agree with all and sundry we got well and truly reamed this week.
Just another reason in a ever growing list why the game is becoming unwatchable.
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Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
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Sue the bastards and start a rebel league..... :shh
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Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
More like Chris Scott studied us and told him to introduce the rule
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We were simply terrible. Turnovers, dropped marks, like the game versus st Kilda late 2017. Bolton dropped a mark first few minutes and never recovered, Edwards hand balling nowhere, caddy might have had zero good disposals etc. umpires over technical and swans were the beneficiaries. But no effect on the game: we were simply not on our game. I watched Carl versus Freo. Freo were raped by overzealous umpiring. The umpires wrecked that game. Conversely, the umpires in Melbourne vs gWS let the game go.
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Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
There was a quote on the news outlet about it.If that is true that is mind blowing how we can change rules because of a certain teams success and style of game.He is pathetic as a administrator and not accountable.
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Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
There was a quote on the news outlet about it.If that is true that is mind blowing how we can change rules because of a certain teams success and style of game.He is pathetic as a administrator and not accountable.
an article from a scott gullin bloke back in March. Cotch was the main culprit or beneficiary from standing the mark and gaining advantage.
does it surprise you given how much scott, hocking and cats in general hate us? Ben Dixon last night tried to draw a comparison to that rule change and the deliberate handball through for a behind change after the 08 grand final. I call garbage to that as once again that was a rule change was already in the pipeline after the bowden game.
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Yep - complete myth that it was Hawthorn's GF tactics caused that rule change...they started banging on about it straight after that Bowden match v Essendon.....and of course the first player pinged under the new rule..Jordan McMahon from Richmond... :shh
The 6-6-6 rule was designed to stop us as well- but then we got Lynch..... :shh :shh
Even Purple Parrot's campaign to downgrade our Ellis compo was AFL orchestrated - he writes for their website...said nothing the year before re: WC's compo for Lycett despite it being an identical situation....flogs saying we're AFL pets now have NFI...they've screwed us over for years going all way back to the Lockett deal.. hell going all the way back to the 70's when the VFL changed the recruiting zones in middle of our last dynasty... :shh :shh :shh
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Yep - complete myth that it was Hawthorn's GF tactics caused that rule change...they started banging on about it straight after that Bowden match v Essendon.....and of course the first player pinged under the new rule..Jordan McMahon from Richmond... :shh
The 6-6-6 rule was designed to stop us as well- but then we got Lynch..... :shh :shh
Even Purple Parrot's campaign to downgrade our Ellis compo was AFL orchestrated - he writes for their website...said nothing the year before re: WC's compo for Lycett despite it being an identical situation....flogs saying we're AFL pets now have NFI...they've screwed us over for years going all way back to the Lockett deal.. hell going all the way back to the 70's when the VFL changed the recruiting zones in middle of our last dynasty... :shh :shh :shh
Absolutely spot on Dio. The reductions in the soft cap were aimed at us also. They were designed to flush out the likes of Caracella, Leppa, Hartley and Livingston. Whilst a few of those are gone they didn't count of Balmey agreeing to take a backseat role.
Also no coincidence that the AFL won't support Benny's appointment whilst we are dominating the competition. They want to bring us down first.
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Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
There was a quote on the news outlet about it.If that is true that is mind blowing how we can change rules because of a certain teams success and style of game.He is pathetic as a administrator and not accountable.
Loser is just doing what he is told. The lanky polo playing tossbag is pulling the strings. He hates us because we are everything his snotty nosed white privileged upbringing detests.
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Yep - complete myth that it was Hawthorn's GF tactics caused that rule change...they started banging on about it straight after that Bowden match v Essendon.....and of course the first player pinged under the new rule..Jordan McMahon from Richmond... :shh
The 6-6-6 rule was designed to stop us as well- but then we got Lynch..... :shh :shh
Even Purple Parrot's campaign to downgrade our Ellis compo was AFL orchestrated - he writes for their website...said nothing the year before re: WC's compo for Lycett despite it being an identical situation....flogs saying we're AFL pets now have NFI...they've screwed us over for years going all way back to the Lockett deal.. hell going all the way back to the 70's when the VFL changed the recruiting zones in middle of our last dynasty... :shh :shh :shh
Spot on that flog Barrett was all over us and kept quiet on the deal you mentioned even the Motlop one cats got.Now we got Hocking like I said before how it was written in print a rule was introduced to combat us and studied is beyond belief you will never see that stuff from people running the games world wide.
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I'm ok with the new standing the mark rule, really, its about time that got fixed up. I'm not too sure if it was designed to stop Cotchin (specifically) from moving laterally on the mark or not, I think he was one player out of hundreds doing it!
What I am getting narky about (already) is how long it is taking the umpires to call play on when the kicker goes off the line! Its only round 3 & already I can think of many times when the kicker has cribbed around laterally & then runs off leaving the man on the mark stranded until the umpire gets around to calling play on!
Don't get me started on 'Buddy's arc' either! It has always been tolerated but it has always been against the rules! Its called 'his natural arc' because it is his typical kicking style, but he only does it because he gets a 10 metre advantage on the kick! Of course he wants that longer kick, but now the new rule should mean that Buddy has to stay on the line too or be called to play on. Buddy is not the only 'arcer' out there either, now the new rules have to cut both ways!
If the umpires positioned themselves in line (behind the kicker) they would be more able to see the kicker shuffling off the line so they can call play on quicker. If the umpires have the time to make sure the player is standing on precisely the right spot to man the mark then they have time to get behind the kicker too!
The new rules are good, but make they cut both ways! :banghead
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyBsZXwUcAIyoFg?format=jpg&name=900x900)
#FreeKickSydney :facepalm
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One of these shows up at footy matches and pointlessly flaps around to annoy everyone.
(https://instagram.fmel7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/168518181_287506392983387_7661129814260421631_n.jpg?tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fmel7-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=mSvPXyd_Z0gAX_U8WsW&edm=AP_V10EAAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=943f2308bff2b0a79ff6b3add776b1a7&oe=608E9B1B&_nc_sid=4f375e)
... The other is a pigeon.
;D
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Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
There was a quote on the news outlet about it.If that is true that is mind blowing how we can change rules because of a certain teams success and style of game.He is pathetic as a administrator and not accountable.
an article from a scott gullin bloke back in March. Cotch was the main culprit or beneficiary from standing the mark and gaining advantage.
does it surprise you given how much scott, hocking and cats in general hate us? Ben Dixon last night tried to draw a comparison to that rule change and the deliberate handball through for a behind change after the 08 grand final. I call garbage to that as once again that was a rule change was already in the pipeline after the bowden game.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyLNRftVcAkgClD?format=jpg&name=large)
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SHocking is a old campaigner.
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When Edwards got that 50 against him the was annoying.
The reason he moved was the player running past and the start of a feigned hand pass.
Is that what is part of the game/new rule.??
Once the player who has the kick does any sort of move surely that is an automatic play on??
Any comments??
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The stand rule is garbage, higher scoring does not necessarily mean better footy. Watching teams just chip the ball around with no contested stuff I'd just boring.
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When Edwards got that 50 against him the was annoying.
The reason he moved was the player running past and the start of a feigned hand pass.
Is that what is part of the game/new rule.??
Once the player who has the kick does any sort of move surely that is an automatic play on??
Any comments??
I agree. Once they move sideways it should be play on.
Sometimes our blokes get the mark and I feel like they are called to play on after 1.5 seconds without lateral movement. Almost like there is no mark allowed and it's just free play.
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The rule is a farce....it effectively leaves the defending side a player short, the umpires are calling play on way too late and it's not even being consistently enforced which is hardly surprising due to the inherently pedantic nature of it and at the very least the rule shouldn't apply when the mark is inside the forward 50 which is yet another one of it's apparently unforeseen yet obvious flaws..... :shh
AFL & the media are obsessed with high scoring but people will soon become bored with the game if every match is an uncontested touch footy shoot out or just an extended version of AFLX... :shh :shh
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I like it. Footy is more like the 90’s with a lot of run and carry and goals.
If we could learn to get our big forwards to lead into space and if we could actually deliver the ball lace out then we would also be kicking 100+ points a game. It’s no use getting 60+ inside 50s if it’s coming straight back out 50 times a game.
Our pressure is down especially in our forward 50
Still a lot of work to do. This next month of games is a good test for us.
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The only thing 90's about it was our performance.... :shh
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Dimma gave the umps a subtle dig in his presser today. Said we'll "challenge" the umps on the shortness of the distance of kicks (that the Swans were doing).
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Maggots didn’t think we could win and let the first qtr go
Decided to give Port an edge in the second qtr
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Every whistle I am expecting a Port free
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Disgusting the RFC needs to do something about this
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Pathetic umpiring :banghead
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There is clear & blatant umpire cheating going on here. I'm at the game. It's disgusting and the club needs to act officially.
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Atrocious
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Cheats- the commentators aren't allowed to call them out for it but it's gotta stop.
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Dunno about you guys but this is beyond atrocious, the fix was in.
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How can a game that tight be 22-12?
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Disgusting tonight.
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Ill tell ya, Steve Hocking, peeed off sook from Geebung who's team got reamed in a grandfinal last year.
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The last quarter wasn't that bad but the only reason they were up over 4 quarters was the umps. I'm not sure what as a club we can do about it but it has been a long time since we were at the plus sides of umpiring descions.
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Butt reamed again. It happens too many times to be a coincidence
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Did Bolton not tackle a player on the wing who just dropped the ball right before the kick inside 50 for grays winner????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
How can we only get 12 free kicks in a full game of footy. Around have of those were from out on the fulls too so they were giving us nothing from open play.
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Did Bolton not tackle a player on the wing who just dropped the ball right before the kick inside 50 for grays winner????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
How can we only get 12 free kicks in a full game of footy. Around have of those were from out on the fulls too so they were giving us nothing from open play.
Spilled out in the tackle the umps were saying to our boys all night. Why tackle at all :banghead
It was bloody dropping the ball you pathetic umpire
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The stuffing stuffknobs
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Deboy's such a little sissy... :thumbsdown
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Not being biased but probably the most one sided umpiring for the season!
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One of Deboy's special calls tonight.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyh4VhRVcAMd4hb?format=jpg&name=900x900) (https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1380480331547963398)
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1380480331547963398
When was the last time a player downfield was pinged for holding the ball after marking/catching a touched ball? ::)
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DeBoy is a stuffen idiot and should have been told as such by Bachar
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Where are the usual umpires? Razor ray etc
Who is this flog
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Did Bolton not tackle a player on the wing who just dropped the ball right before the kick inside 50 for grays winner????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
How can we only get 12 free kicks in a full game of footy. Around have of those were from out on the fulls too so they were giving us nothing from open play.
Spilled out in the tackle the umps were saying to our boys all night. Why tackle at all :banghead
It was bloody dropping the ball you pathetic umpire
Ahhhh the old spilled out in the tackle routine aka we don’t have the balls to make a call against the home team.....
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It was dropping the ball every day of the week except when it’s against Richmond.........or Brisbane
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyiVmN5UUAMYhyN?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/TheTigerArmyAFL/status/1380517772975730694
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How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.
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Free kicks first match last year 22/11 against
Prelim 24/19 against
Last night 22/11 against
Nothing to see here
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It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
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With Hocking in charge of the game we will have no hope of placing an enquiry into this farcical situation. Makes me wonder if match fixing is at play here...
The unfortunate situation being the standard is poor at VFL level so I cant see any improvement.
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How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.
The Gray decision was correct as he was under pressure. The rule itself is wrong.
If he had done same thing 5 metres around from the point post, straight over the boundary then it would have been deliberate.
That's where the deliberate rushed rule is flawed. This idea of "pressure" is open to being abused.
For me the worst decision in the last and there were many was the non free to Lynch in front of the goal post he was basically choked around the neck.
Different between and losing for mine
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Not being biased but probably the most one sided umpiring for the season!
I said that last week! Just when u think it can’t get any worse it does.
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The Robbie Gray deliberate behind was within the rules but I have no doubt in the world that if it were the opposite situation that a free kick would have been paid against us. Absolutely no doubt.
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https://twitter.com/brycebear33/status/1380497668401553410?s=19
Not sure that was within the rules he had options to dispose it and no one tackled him he had pressure on him.
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How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.
The Gray decision was correct as he was under pressure. The rule itself is wrong.
If he had done same thing 5 metres around from the point post, straight over the boundary then it would have been deliberate.
That's where the deliberate rushed rule is flawed. This idea of "pressure" is open to being abused.
For me the worst decision in the last and there were many was the non free to Lynch in front of the goal post he was basically choked around the neck.
Different between and losing for mine
Agreed. They should just make it a free kick if you rush a behind at all, or not at all.
Same with out of bounds.
Anything with umpire discretion is questionable.
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It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
Name?
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It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
Name?
Deboy.....no.11
Been shafting us for years
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Deboy
SA. The defence rests...
I do blame the club also For not coming out swinging. Happens too much
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That's because we can't afford to lose another 25k from the soft cap...expect there's been some very strong words said behind the scenes... :shh
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How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.
The Gray decision was correct as he was under pressure. The rule itself is wrong.
If he had done same thing 5 metres around from the point post, straight over the boundary then it would have been deliberate.
That's where the deliberate rushed rule is flawed. This idea of "pressure" is open to being abused.
For me the worst decision in the last and there were many was the non free to Lynch in front of the goal post he was basically choked around the neck.
Different between and losing for mine
Agreed. They should just make it a free kick if you rush a behind at all, or not at all.
Same with out of bounds.
Anything with umpire discretion is questionable.
David King made the same point on Fox Footy.
King believed it was time for a shift in rules given it would’ve been judged a deliberate out of bounds if only it went a few metres to the right or left.
“By the rules and the letter of the law, it’s the right call. But I don’t think you should be able to handball the ball through the behinds at any stage of the game from anywhere,” he said.
“This is not what we want our game to be. If that goes over the boundary line that is a free kick. Why should it be different because it is three metres to the right?”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-afl-rushed-behind-afl-rules-port-adelaide-vs-richmond-robbie-gray-tom-jonas-david-king-fox-footy-saturday-countdown/news-story/2d3f152e5430413a5e321490823801b5
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Dimma's comment on the non-call Gray out of bounds:
In the second quarter, Gray gathered the ball when clearly out of bounds – but the boundary umpire didn’t whistle and Gray passed to teammate Orazio Fantasia, who scored a goal.
“Did that guy from the first row give it to that guy so he could kick that goal?” Hardwick said.
“It couldn’t be any further out, could it? Anyway… Look, its a hard game to adjudicate but they do a good a job as they can. Yeah, I will leave it at that.”
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/04/10/hardwick-dodges-umpiring-controversies-post-port-loss/
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The rushed behind rule is stupid but based on the rule the call on the night was correct. Picking that one out deflects from all the shockers against us especially in the first half.
How about the 50m paid against Grimes for being in the protected area. What was he meant to do? He was already in the area before the whistle and he didn't run away through the mark to follow his direct opponent. Absolute garbage decision.
In the first quarter, Allir lands right on Jack's back 50 while Jack was lying on the ground face down after going for a mark. It should have been a shot on goal to us from 50 out. Nah that was play-on ::).
Others have already mentioned Dusty being tackled without the ball but getting pinged for HTB followed 30 secs later by the identical situation with Rozee yet it was (correctly) paid a hold.
We've already mentioned Gray's OOB non-call, Houli being pinged on a touched ball mark and Port players not getting pinged for illegal disposal when tackled.
That rushed behind was one of the rare decisions the umps got right on the night.
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This is what the umps give as a deliberate rushed behind:
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1380851011800080385
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It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
Name?
No need for me to name the names:shh
It's an absolute disgrace is what it is.
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It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
Name?
No need for me to name the names:shh
It's an absolute disgrace is what it is.
He has history with us going back to 2017. Screwed us late against the Dogs that year and then infamously paid this BS deliberate rushed behind against us in the Dreamtime game a couple of weeks later:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA066nwUQAAj8-m.jpg) (https://twitter.com/AFL/status/868415088931119105)
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/868415088931119105
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18 v 8 against us when they havent had the ball
sHocking
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20 v 8
Fmd
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Umps have gifted them half of their goals
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Saint supporters blaming the umps :lol.
Umpires still riding Richmond.
Another rubbish 50.
"You held the ball too long"
GAGF
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-2021-round-5-saints-v-tigers-thurs-april-15th-7-20pm-est-marvel-tigercast-link-in-op.1262727/post-69580859
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I'd like to see a crackdown on kicks that go about 8m.
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Saint supporters blaming the umps :lol.
Umpires still riding Richmond.
Another rubbish 50.
"You held the ball too long"
GAGF
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-2021-round-5-saints-v-tigers-thurs-april-15th-7-20pm-est-marvel-tigercast-link-in-op.1262727/post-69580859
Square up for the free Jack got and #11 held the ball for about 5 minutes
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I'd like to see a crackdown on kicks that go about 8m.
Agree wayne. Dimma mentioned this after the Swans game too.
Also like to see a crackdown on opposition players deliberately diving forward and dropping the ball to con a free. Lonie the little weasel did this every time he went near the ball ::).
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Saint supporters blaming the umps :lol.
Umpires still riding Richmond.
Another rubbish 50.
"You held the ball too long"
GAGF
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-2021-round-5-saints-v-tigers-thurs-april-15th-7-20pm-est-marvel-tigercast-link-in-op.1262727/post-69580859
Not sure how you can blame the umps when they got 10 more than we did.
The unfavourable 10 differential is stock standard for the Tigers :help
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Free Kicks:
St Kilda 23
Richmond 13
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How can a team who wins by 80+ points on the scoreboard and dominate every single statistic in the game lose the free kick count by essentially double :huh
Also the amount of ‘high’ they conjured by dropping the shoulder and throwing their head back was driving me insane.
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Umps were crap.
Half of those high contact frees I could have thrown a brick through my TV.
If they want to protect the head and prevent CTE they MUST stop paying free kicks for blokes who draw high contact, and this now needs to include ducking your head unnecessarily to pick up with ball with the should down towards your tackler and then flicking it up so their arm gets your neck/head. Higgins in a key offender for this and we got nailed for it several times.
That free for high contact that King got mAde me wanna puke. When Balta love-tapped the back of his shoulder. Fmd if Lynch got paid those he'd be kicking 6 every week.
Jack also infringed several times.
And that 50m for not returning the ball was 100% there, not to mention they were already getting pantsed by 10 goals anyway.
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Free Kicks:
St Kilda 23
Richmond 13
^^^^ the unfavourable 10 differential :clapping
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This is what the AFL dishes out when a club complains about the umpiring during a game :-X.
The GWS Giants have been hit with a $20,000 fine after football department boss Jason McCartney had a run-in with the umpires last Friday night in Canberra.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/giant-20-000-hit-for-mccartney-s-clash-with-umpires-20210427-p57mws.html
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Why shouldn’t they fine him ???
He broke the rules in a big way. You can’t do what he did , simple as that
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The Club needs to make a formal complaint and make it public. This bias is beyond a joke!
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Bulldogs can drop the ball , run 25 meters without bouncing or disposing, kicks 8 meters get paid marks....
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What would be interesting is a neutral person went through the games and gave a report on not only the trees that are paid but the ones that aren't. I'm sure we miss out more on the ones that aren't paid. I know the AFL would never commission such a thing but I'm sure such a report would sell well. Might even do it myself when I retire.
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I would loveeeeeeee a holding the ball free kick, love it!
It’s even worse when they don’t give a blatant one to us and then give them one within the next minute. :banghead
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Perfect time now to make a formal complaint after a win so they can't accuse us of sooking after a loss.
As Fluffy Tiger says, it's the ones they don't pay to us that are the main issue. We get pinged for things the opposition don't. For all our tackling and pressure tonight I can only remember two HTBs paid to us (RCD's in the 1st qtr and then one late in the last qtr deep in our backline)
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Absolute dog crap tonight.
Someone got upset with me for calling that lady a cheating *female dog* but I stand by my comment.
Disgusted. The push to Lynch. A handful of HTB ignored. Club should be demanding an independent review.
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So inconsistent. Holding the ball is a raffle but not for the oppo
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Win I can complain
that was disgusting
I do not care about this diversity poo - Leave the boys sports to the boys that 34 was .....ill leave it there
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Posted by HeraldSun footy journo Sam Landsberger:
Bevo said last week the adjudication of whether a kick has travelled 10 or 15m depended on the night. Strange call to deny Jeremy Cameron. It was far from a 50-50. Nobody would’ve cried foul if the mark was paid. Geelong’s Zac Bailey moment. Jezza to be the hero against Richmond?
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/1388470489824206855
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Probably justification for the Brisbane game they stole
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Head high infringements were by the wayside imo
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Couldn't buy a htb...counted at least half a dozen clear ones we weren't awarded and probably another half-dozen again if the same standards were applied to the Scraggers as they were to us... :shh
...and as for that useless diversity hire .."it was the timing" lmao....stuffing Kakistocracy... :thumbsdown
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Perfect time now to make a formal complaint after a win so they can't accuse us of sooking after a loss.
As Fluffy Tiger says, it's the ones they don't pay to us that are the main issue. We get pinged for things the opposition don't. For all our tackling and pressure tonight I can only remember two HTBs paid to us (RCD's in the 1st qtr and then one late in the last qtr deep in our backline)
The failure to ping West for holding the ball was a very poor decision. Blatant free kick.
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We got a few our way also. Particularly the female ump who let a lot go in the last qtr which is good to see.
Apart from the Easton Wood one I thought it was not too bad. Pass mark for the 2nd time this year only. Inc VFL.
The first pass was when Kingsley and Chocco umpired the VFL practise game.
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Dogs should have had a free at the top of the square when Grimes pretended he was Angus Graham trying to pick up a bar of soap
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Eleni pays some very random free kicks (Bailey Dale unrealistic attempt comes to mind) but at least both sides cop it.
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Perfect time now to make a formal complaint after a win so they can't accuse us of sooking after a loss.
As Fluffy Tiger says, it's the ones they don't pay to us that are the main issue. We get pinged for things the opposition don't. For all our tackling and pressure tonight I can only remember two HTBs paid to us (RCD's in the 1st qtr and then one late in the last qtr deep in our backline)
Spot on, that was terrible.....
there's a reason we are consistently bottom of the free kick ladder, the umps seriously just feel sorry for the team playing us!
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I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
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I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
Totally agree Owl. Applys the rules and doesn’t second guess player intent which is where Razor drives me nuts.
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The AFL will ensure we never get umpired by her again, we won the free kick count, damning evidence against her.
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I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
Totally agree Owl. Applys the rules and doesn’t second guess player intent which is where Razor drives me nuts.
I agree. I thought she was the best of them Friday night. Number 3 on the other hand was woeful.
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Suprise afl under Hocking admits a blunder for cats yet our clear out of bounce against Port by Gray didn't get mention clowns.
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I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
I thought she was crap but got better in the last quarter. #3 was terrible
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I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
I thought she was crap but got better in the last quarter. #3 was terrible
Number 3 was Leigh Fisher, former AFL player. It would appear the following applies: Average player, average ump
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I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
I thought she was crap but got better in the last quarter. #3 was terrible
Number 3 was Leigh Fisher, former AFL player. It would appear the following applies: Average player, average ump
poo player and poo umpire
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Can we buy a free?
Once again it's the ones we don't get paid :banghead.
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#22 can gagf
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Tigers lose fair enough, Geelong much better but seriously 21 free kicks to 10 and another week with a similar differential.
When does the club do something about this?
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You can say that again!
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:clapping :clapping
Normal transmission resumed, the standard 10 differential back this week
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stuffen cheats at it again
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You guys all realise that the way we play the game means that a negative differential in the free kick count is expected
Getting bored with all the umpire this, umpire that sooking
We play a tough high pressure game that will more often that not result in us copping it .. that game style resulted in 3 premierships and 3 years of copping it hard from the umpires .. live with it
We aren’t victims
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A tough high pressure game style usually comes with a fair amount of both punishment and reward from the umpires....yet we almost invariably seem to cop a lot of the former and very little of the latter... :shh
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Hey Damo I have umpired for over 30 years so I have a fair understanding of the umpiring side of the game and I understand the angst of posters when there seems to be two different interpretations for each team.
It is not the frees paid against us it is the frees that are not paid to us in identical situations that get posters frustrated.
Ask yourself this why does the umpiring towards us change during the finals?
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You guys all realise that the way we play the game means that a negative differential in the free kick count is expected
Getting bored with all the umpire this, umpire that sooking
We play a tough high pressure game that will more often that not result in us copping it .. that game style resulted in 3 premierships and 3 years of copping it hard from the umpires .. live with it
We aren’t victims
Disagree completely. It's not the amount given away it's the missed ones that aren't paid to us. That has nothing to do with game style.
Baker getting pinged for holding the ball when the ball landed in his lap and got stacks on and another 4 similar go cats way.
Cats chipped ball 10m all night and got paid marks. Then as soon as we do it RCD called to play on
Not once has the umpiring cost us 4 points but the lack of consistency is a disgrace.
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We can cop free kicks from our pressure that’s not the issue. It’s definitely the misses that we don’t get. They can drop throw or hold the ball and it’s called play on or ball up.
It’s a bloody disgrace and I don’t usually complain about the umps.
That said I’ve can’t remember dropping so many easy marks in a game probably since 2016.
Lynch x2 easiest marks dropped.
Mansell, Vlastuin & Broad also it was embarrassing to watch.
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You guys all realise that the way we play the game means that a negative differential in the free kick count is expected
Getting bored with all the umpire this, umpire that sooking
We play a tough high pressure game that will more often that not result in us copping it .. that game style resulted in 3 premierships and 3 years of copping it hard from the umpires .. live with it
We aren’t victims
Couldn't disagree with this anymore. We are smashed with decisions and non decisions every week. I get statistical anomolies occur but not for this length of time.
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We are being deliberately cheated against. Thats the reality.
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SHocking basically admitted we were the main reason they introduced the stand rule...so I'd suggest if the AFL actually changed a rule specifically to stop us is it really that far-fetched to suppose they've instructed the umpires to do likewise? :shh
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Have to agree take loss out of it we a not getting the same frees as the opposition simple as that.
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The standard of umpiring has never been better :rollin
North's Cameron Zurhaar did a Castagna and was pinged for deliberate out of bounds :huh3.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1390934601191673864
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So de goey gets 2 goals from 50's. One of which was a replica of what wasn't paid against the cats player for not going back on the mark.
What a load of poo
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Tom Stewart come back a metre.
Tom Stewart back a metre.
Tom Stewart back a metre.
Tom Stewart back a metre.
Tom Stewart back a metre.
Play on!
::)
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You forgot blowing time off after the 4th warning to physically set the mark for him. Bloody joke.
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The standard of umpiring has never been better :rollin
North's Cameron Zurhaar did a Castagna and was pinged for deliberate out of bounds :huh3.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1390934601191673864
So de goey gets 2 goals from 50's. One of which was a replica of what wasn't paid against the cats player for not going back on the mark.
What a load of poo
North Melbourne coach David Noble will contact the umpiring department after a series of controversial decisions went against the Kangaroos in their 18-point loss to Collingwood.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/noble-to-call-umpires-seeking-clarity-on-contentious-decisions-20210508-p57q61.html
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The standard of umpiring has never been better :rollin
North's Cameron Zurhaar did a Castagna and was pinged for deliberate out of bounds :huh3.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1390934601191673864
So de goey gets 2 goals from 50's. One of which was a replica of what wasn't paid against the cats player for not going back on the mark.
What a load of poo
North Melbourne coach David Noble will contact the umpiring department after a series of controversial decisions went against the Kangaroos in their 18-point loss to Collingwood.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/noble-to-call-umpires-seeking-clarity-on-contentious-decisions-20210508-p57q61.html
And David Noble will find just like we have that it is a complete waste of time
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For the first time in my footy viewing life, I’m genuinely starting to wonder at the umpires decisions...
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Get rid of prior opportunity rule. It’s too open to interpretation. Footy survived without it for hundreds of years.
I think it causes all these issues. No call for holding the ball. No call for dropping the ball (incorrect disposal). No fall for ball seemingly falling out of hands when tackled. All because the umpire is trying to ascertain prior opportunity. If prior opportunity doesn’t exist all these are free kicks and the ball is moving again and stoppage is avoided (ball up avoided). Increased speed means more tired players means more open games means more goals scored and a return to mid 90’s footy and pre-prior opportunity rule introduction (1996)
Currently if your a forward and your running after the ball with the defender the forward is encouraged not to possess the ball but to wait for the defender to get possession so the forward can tackle to create a stoppage the defender doesn’t mind because if there’s no prior he won’t get pinged.
This happens time and time again and we get multiple stoppages.
Get rid of Prior opportunity players and clubs will adapt to it. Good players already do and know how to get rid of the footy they are already good at it because they are ball getters and are elite.
If a player decides to possess the ball he must dispose of it properly otherwise he will think of different ways to make it work as we have seen countless times by Dusty. The great players are already doing it because they are ball winners.
Even on Friday night we saw Rioli tap the ball into space and run onto it creating a nice passage of attacking footy. We would see more of that type of thing.
A lot of problems would be solved and umpires would love to be able to just call it as it is.
#getridofprioropportinity
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The free kick differential ladder is out and not surprisingly we are at the bottom with 50 less against than for. We average 16.13% free kicks a game. Compared that to Adelaide who get an average of 22.9% a game. It is sometimes the ones you dont get that cause the issue.
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The free kick differential ladder is out and not surprisingly we are at the bottom with 50 less against than for. We average 16.13% free kicks a game. Compared that to Adelaide who get an average of 22.9% a game. It is sometimes the ones you dont get that cause the issue.
Remaining at the bottom with a huge -50 differential is perennial offenders Richmond who have attracted the least free kicks for (129) and given away the second most (179). They’ve been on the negative side of the free kick ledger in six of their eight games.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/FreeKicksR82021.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/09/the-2021-free-kick-ladder-after-round-8/
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Cats captain Joel Selwood is clearly in front with 25 frees for, and a positive differential of +14 having given 11 away.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/FreeKicksForPlayersR82021.png)
Richmond’s Marlion Pickett (17) on the list of most frees given away. Jake Aarts has 16 frees against.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/FreeKicksAgainstPlayersR82021.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/09/the-2021-free-kick-ladder-after-round-8/
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Aarts on the list for frees against too...presume it's mostly for getting caught with the ball... :shh
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No surprise we have the lowest frees for. As we've said, it's the frees we don't get that is the issue :thumbsdown.
eg: Stewart holding and scragging Dusty off the ball and no free is paid.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/DustyHeldByStewart.png)
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/DustyHeldByStewart2.png)
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St Kilda coach Brett Ratten has called out the umpires after his side's defeat to Geelong, questioning the lack of holding the ball calls in the match.
While the free-kick count was relatively even throughout the contest (13-12 Geelong's way), Ratten was left miffed after his side laid 87 tackles and received just three holding the ball decisions in their favour.
"To think you'd have (87) tackles, I thought we out-tackled them, and you get three free-kicks for the day?" he told reporters.
"I don't know if it's worth tackling, just set up behind the ball and flood back. I don't think we got reward for our effort in the tackling component of the game.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/brett-ratten-questions-umpires-after-st-kilda-loss-to-geelong/0abcc011-da5d-4de4-9add-8a121917d9a0
Asked by a reporter if he was upset by Geelong players seeming to drop or throw the ball at times on Friday night, Ratten responded, “You said it, I didn’t say it.”
“If that’s a handball - jeepers.”
https://twitter.com/merrrnique/status/1393202985203765254
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No surprise we have the lowest frees for. As we've said, it's the frees we don't get that is the issue :thumbsdown.
eg: Stewart holding and scragging Dusty off the ball and no free is paid.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/DustyHeldByStewart.png)
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/DustyHeldByStewart2.png)
I agree, unfortunately in these shots it looks like they are holding each other, maybe Dusty needs to lift his arms up or try some other method?? Gurus comments??
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St Kilda coach Brett Ratten has called out the umpires after his side's defeat to Geelong, questioning the lack of holding the ball calls in the match.
While the free-kick count was relatively even throughout the contest (13-12 Geelong's way), Ratten was left miffed after his side laid 87 tackles and received just three holding the ball decisions in their favour.
"To think you'd have (87) tackles, I thought we out-tackled them, and you get three free-kicks for the day?" he told reporters.
"I don't know if it's worth tackling, just set up behind the ball and flood back. I don't think we got reward for our effort in the tackling component of the game.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/brett-ratten-questions-umpires-after-st-kilda-loss-to-geelong/0abcc011-da5d-4de4-9add-8a121917d9a0
Asked by a reporter if he was upset by Geelong players seeming to drop or throw the ball at times on Friday night, Ratten responded, “You said it, I didn’t say it.”
“If that’s a handball - jeepers.”
https://twitter.com/merrrnique/status/1393202985203765254
Have raised this before, there seems to be two different interpretations of holding the ball, have heard umpires saying a player attempted to dispose of the ball albeit with one hand, while another will just call it incorrect disposal. I think if you don't kick it and you don't handball correctly when tackled with or without prior then its a free.
Have seen us make consecutive tackles where the opposition just drop the ball on each occasion and it's called play on only for them to transition from congestion and score against the run of play. Notice that teams tend to try and knock the ball out of our hands when they tackle us and that seems to be rewarded more often than not.
Like Ratten says there is no point tacking if the tackler isn't rewarded especially if you are committing more than one player to the tackle as you are then outnumbered if the ball finds its way out of congestion.
Given the Cats seem to be the team that throws consistently I wonder if that annoys Hocking to the point where he will suggest a rule change to address an issue seemingly giving one team an advantage over all other teams.
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Given the Cats seem to be the team that throws consistently I wonder if that annoys Hocking to the point where he will suggest a rule change to address an issue seemingly giving one team an advantage over all other teams.
Given his recent history around rule changes and which Clubs they clearly impact on I sadly doubt it
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Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
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Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
I like it Tigeritis!!
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Robbo on 3aw just said that during an ad break on AFL360 last Monday night, Hardwick told him the number of throws in the game is getting out of control.
Seems coaches are getting ticked off with Geelong especially throwing the ball and getting away with it. Selwood the chief offender.
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Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
I like it Tigeritis!!
If you have time to take more than one step before you're tackled you have time to get rid of it....same if you're spun around even 180 degrees let alone 360... :shh
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As pathetic as ever tonight
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DeCheat trying to change the momentum we had. Another clueless display of umpiring or blatant cheating.
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Robbo on 3aw just said that during an ad break on AFL360 last Monday night, Hardwick told him the number of throws in the game is getting out of control.
Seems coaches are getting ticked off with Geelong especially throwing the ball and getting away with it. Selwood the chief offender.
GWS were throwing it constantly tonight.
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What was that new rule that was invented for that free kick against balta 10m out from goal???
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Umps and especially Deboy booed off and rightly so.
Didn't pay HTB for 3 qtrs and then we cop them in the last ::).
Richmond players don't have heads either apparently for too high frees ::).
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Maintained the standard tonight.
Brilliant performances :clapping :clapping
:sarcasm2
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seriously just when i thought it couldnt get worse, well the flogs proved me wrong
They are a disgrace
Its only HTB when it suits them and usually when its a free against us
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Shocking has stuffed the game and turned the umps against us.
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Missed calls infuriated fans as free kick numbers varied wildly over the weekend. See the numbers - and the AFL's explanation, via @RalphyHeraldSun:
The AFL did not instruct its umpires to pay a different holding-the-ball interpretation in Round 9 despite wildly divergent free kick tallies paid ...
Paywall: https:www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-not-responsible-for-wildly-different-holdingtheball-numbers/news-story/88e6f6a8ba0c0e24b5a644fa442bef36
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https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1394114204534284290?s=19
Minus 56 lool not 10 or 20 56 :banghead
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I rewatched the game and counted only one holding the ball free paid to us all night (against Whitfield in the last quarter). GWS were paid 5 HTBs (against Baker x2, Mansell, RCD and Graham).
So across a whole match that's just ONE HTB free from our 69 tackles (1.5%) on the night :facepalm ::).
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Does anyone think the way we play is partly to blame at all for the differential ?
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Does anyone think the way we play is partly to blame at all for the differential ?
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No, I think it's bulldust personally.
Few babies out there saying we scrag a lot off the ball and edge forwards under the drop etc but I don't agree
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Does anyone think the way we play is partly to blame at all for the differential ?
Frees against are mostly our own fault but the lowest frees for is not our doing. We don't control an ump's whistle.
It could be argued our pressure & tackling gamestyle can cross the line at times and cost us frees against. But if that's the case it should also result in more frees for us for HTB/illegal disposal. That's not happening. There was a play on the weekend where we had 3 tackles in a row with Giants players dropping the ball that weren't rewarded yet the Baker was pinged seconds later for HTB.
All we ask for is consistency for all sides. That isn't happening in games and between games.
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Umpiring atm is as bad as I have ever seen it. Umps looked totally overwhelmed with the complexity of decision making/interpretation.
No wonder Kennedy left.
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Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
Did Dimma give you a call Tigeritis?
He said exactly the same thing at his presser this morning, get rid of prior opportunity :clapping
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Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
Did Dimma give you a call Tigeritis?
He said exactly the same thing at his presser this morning, get rid of prior opportunity :clapping
No he didn’t. But you know what they say about great minds :lol
I haven’t seen it but Im keen to watch it now.
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Get rid of prior opportunity rule. It’s too open to interpretation. Footy survived without it for hundreds of years.
I think it causes all these issues. No call for holding the ball. No call for dropping the ball (incorrect disposal). No calls for ball seemingly falling out of hands when tackled. All because the umpire is trying to ascertain prior opportunity. If prior opportunity doesn’t exist all these are free kicks and the ball is moving again and stoppage is avoided (ball up avoided). Increased speed means more tired players means more open games means more goals scored and a return to mid 90’s footy and pre-prior opportunity rule introduction (1996)
Currently if your a forward and your running after the ball with the defender the forward is encouraged not to possess the ball but to wait for the defender to get possession so the forward can tackle to create a stoppage the defender doesn’t mind because if there’s no prior he won’t get pinged.
This happens time and time again and we get multiple stoppages.
Get rid of Prior opportunity players and clubs will adapt to it. Good players already do and know how to get rid of the footy they are already good at it because they are ball getters and are elite.
If a player decides to possess the ball he must dispose of it properly otherwise he will think of different ways to make it work as we have seen countless times by Dusty. The great players are already doing it because they are ball winners.
Even on Friday night we saw Rioli tap the ball into space and run onto it creating a nice passage of attacking footy. We would see more of that type of thing.
A lot of problems would be solved and umpires would love to be able to just call it as it is.
#getridofprioropportinity
This was my first recent post about it and I think Hardwick articulated it perfectly too.
I heard them say that Fagin had also mentioned it.
I’m ready to start an AFL revolution ✊🏽 Let’s all get behind this.
#getridofprioropportinity
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Yes Fagan said it too in am interview on 3AW last night
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Its bad enough at times now players sitting on players waiting for them to take possesion. No one will want to go and get the bloody ball if prior was taken away.
The real trouble is they are paranoid about stoppages so instead of balling it up when its obvious it aint coming out they let it go and go and go and then pluck one even worse make up new rules so they can pay a free kick..
FMD how many parts are there to holding the ball.
Player takes the ball and then Player is tackled. Its dead easy
1/did he have time to dispose of the ball. 2/ If yes Did he dispose of it correctly.
1/ he didnt have time to dispose of the ball then its a ball up or if it is knocked out play on.
FMD there is only one part of the rule that is open to question and that is how much time constutes prior opportunity. Maybe we should just put a time limit on it like say two seconds.
If we didnt do away with the bump and lets face it they basically have then there would be less need to tackle.
Not allowed to bump not allowed to drive home a tackle just more things wrong with the game.
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I would be very very strongly against them implementing this. All it does is disadvantage the ball winners. Why go for the ball if you can just wait until someone else picks it up and tackle them to get a holding the ball free kick?
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They don't need to remove the prior opportunity rule. They just need to pay the blatant incorrect disposals during a tackle. It's really not that hard. The throws and the dropping the balls that we all see.
Seriously...
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Here is what Dimma (and Fagan) said.
Chris Scott is against any change.
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‘Get rid of it’: Richmond coach calls for major rule change
Oliver Caffrey and Shayne Hope
7Sport
Wednesday, 19 May 2021 4:31 pm AEST
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has called for the AFL to scrap prior opportunity as a way to remove the confusion regarding holding-the-ball.
The rule and its application have come under scrutiny since St Kilda coach Brett Ratten lamented his side earning just three free kicks from 86 tackles against Geelong on Friday night.
Hardwick said it was up the AFL to make life easier for umpires.
“Prior opportunity just makes the umpires’ job harder,” he said on Wednesday.
“Put the pressure on the players, the players adjust really quickly.
“We’ve seen how quickly they’ve adjusted to the man on the mark rule.
“If we put the rule in place that the players have to get rid of it, they’ll start tapping it, they’ll start kicking.”
Hardwick referenced Essendon great and former teammate Michael Long as a great exponent of keeping the ball alive.
“The amount of handballs we see now if we go back in the course of time and look at history, the players used to kick it, now under pressure they will handball,” the three-time premiership coach said.
“If we take away prior opportunity, it probably reduces congestion around that.
“Back in the old days you knew you were going to get tackled and knock it on.
“You tap the ball to your advantage, you kick it off the ground, or you kick it long.
“The really smart players will become smarter.”
Brisbane coach Chris Fagan had similar thoughts to Hardwick, saying players who did not handball or kick the ball after they were tackled should be immediately penalised.
But Geelong’s Chris Scott did not think the rule needed to be changed.
“It seems that there are some people that think that rewarding the tackler is the most important thing and that’s not the rule,” Scott said.
“It’s incumbent on everyone, including some of the media commentators as well, to understand exactly how the rule is interpreted and I think the umpires have been quite clear with us.
“Obviously there are individual variations within umpires and sometimes there is a little bit of a tightening or loosening of the interpretation, but I think we understand the rule pretty well.
“The important thing within games is that it is consistent for both teams.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/get-rid-of-it-richmond-coach-calls-for-major-rule-change-c-2880184
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So Scott says the rule doesn't need to change but at the same time says "The important thing within games is that it is consistent for both teams.”
He can't have it both ways. There is no consistency in the rule.
And seeing his side seems to one of the main incorrect disposal offenders it is no surprise he doesn't want the rule changed
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Change the rules, prior opportunity is out, fine.
Around 180 tackles are made in each game, so tell me how we avoid paying 180 free kicks per game after the prior opportunity rule goes out? :help
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Change the rules, prior opportunity is out, fine.
Around 180 tackles are made in each game, so tell me how we avoid paying 180 free kicks per game after the prior opportunity rule goes out? :help
Players won’t always possess the ball. The best players (like Dusty) will do as they do now and still get the ball and somehow extract the ball and we will continue to marvel at their skill. The others will have to be more inventive by taping knocking or punching the ball into space so they can run onto it.
Those players that choose to possess the ball without disposing of it correctly will incur a penalty but It avoids ball up stoppages which slow the game down.
Footy survived without the rule just fine. If your unsure how this might look I suggest you watch any game prior to 1996 - watch any game in the 90s (considered the golden era of our game) prior to the rule and you’ll see what part time players were able to do
Free kicks opens up the play and you get more open play and more goals as a result ( just like it was during AFLs golden era)
Paid free kicks aren’t the most frustrating thing it’s the ones that aren’t paid that are most frustrating.
Watch this. Enjoy.
https://youtu.be/p_hBmHxRLNE
*pay close attention to the one on one contests when the ball is on the ground
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They don't need to remove the prior opportunity rule. They just need to pay the blatant incorrect disposals during a tackle. It's really not that hard. The throws and the dropping the balls that we all see.
Seriously...
Play the blatant ones and also pay the borderline ones so players learn they need to clearly and cleanly dispose the ball.
Also stop paying high frees for knee droppers/shoulder shrugs or I swear I will jump the fence one day and headbutt selwood
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7 to 1 free kicks against stopped our good start
Thanks Maggots
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Every stuffing week you think it can’t get worse
But sure enough the maggot stuffers stuff show their cheating stuffing poo
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20-6 at half time.
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If we don't officially complain were soft.
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If we don't officially complain were soft.
We have in the past, gets you nowhere so what's the point?
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At some point the coach has to stand up in public and call these cheats out for exactly what it is... blatant cheating and double standards. Credit to our boys for not teeing off at this crap on field.
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At some point the coach has to stand up in public and call these cheats out for exactly what it is... blatant cheating and double standards. Credit to our boys for not teeing off at this crap on field.
Seriously? You want him to call them cheats?
He'd cop a suspension a bloody big one :facepalm
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We are a free speech country in everything but terroism and AFL umpiring critiquing.
AFL = China
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At some point the coach has to stand up in public and call these cheats out for exactly what it is... blatant cheating and double standards. Credit to our boys for not teeing off at this crap on field.
Seriously? You want him to call them cheats?
He'd cop a suspension a bloody big one :facepalm
You’re a literal fella aren’t you 🤔 I’m sure he knows how to exercise some common sense in the choice of words.
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If I was the RFC board I would pay the fine but ensure it is the biggest mother stuffing spray of the stuff cheats of all time
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How on earth that wasn't payed a throw lol instead push in back nothing but cheating.
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Must be Good Friday - because I just witnessed a crucifixion... :propeller
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This is why the game is stuffed. You move one inch standing on the mark these days and you get fifty. How can Andrews dance like a flog on the mark and no fifty be awarded?
It's an absolute disgrace.
To make it worse, the pathetic commentators didn't pick up on the rule breach- they just laughed at the flog :banghead
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All jokes aside, those free kick numbers are not right. Everyone was talking about them not just Richmond fans, some thought it was funny but still admit it is horse crap. They tried to fool the game at every step, rushed our players when they had marks and called play on, when there was no reason too, gave Brisbane all the time and latitude in the world. The free kicks and bs 50's Geez...I just can't watch anymore.
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LOL @ Carey and Brayshaw focussing on HTBs that Brisbane got frees for complaining they didn't get them :facepalm.
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What was the freekick count ?
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28 to 16.
We got a few late frees. It was 18 to 4 at one stage.
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Free Kick Brisbane
28 kicks - most kicks?
How many were a direct goal?
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AFL fans fume at umpiring ‘farce’ in heated clash of premiership heavyweights
Greg Davis & Jasper Bruce
The Australian
22 May 2021
The first half of Richmond’s clash with Brisbane at the Gabba was a tight tussle on the scoreboard, but there was one stat that was far from an even contest between the two premiership heavyweights.
AFL fans were left fuming as the free kick count soared to a staggering 20-6 in favour of the home side heading into the main break.
The Tigers have averaged 21.9 free kicks against them per game this season but were close to surpassing that total at the half on Friday night.
The ledger evened somewhat in the second stanza, but Brisbane still enjoyed the lion’s share all up, finishing ahead 28-16.
So you can grab Dusty around neck and get a free kick????? #AFLLionsTigers
Free kick count
Brisbane - 18
Richmond - 4
Richmond lead by 5 points.
I know it’s at the Gabba but wow. That is a slaughtering.
#AFLLionsTigers
Give 20 free kicks to the Tigers and watch the scoreboard 🤬! #biasedumpires #AFLLionsTigers
Tigers playing against 21 on the field tonight.
I know there’s only one team on the field the lions with extra support thanks to @AFL & the umpires .. >:( >:( #AFLLionsTigers
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/afl-fans-fume-at-umpiring-farce-in-heated-clash-of-premiership-heavyweights/news-story/430d86f724951bf37c1f42811a5f6114
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https://gfycat.com/favoriteflusteredankolewatusi
It should have stopped in Marlon getting a free cloths line weake maggots play on gets frustrated 2 sets of rules we a getted murdered.
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Conveniently the umps were kind enough to give us some junk time free kicks when the game was already decided. :clapping
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The AFL wants to take all the niggle out of the game but if you watched last night anybody could see it was the pure frustration at the "One sided" umpiring that was the cause of it. There were at least 4 times our players were called to play on when all they were doing was going back behind the mark, these things frustrate players and lead to incidents. Keep it consistent and then the players know what to expect, its very simple really.
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Richmond is being screwed and Id say its a deliberate strategy.
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No idea why they kept calling play on from the marks when they wernt moving out of the line. It truly was bizarre even the commentators were picking up on it. They were calling it both ways largely though but still shows they don’t know what they’re doing or it’s just the go to direction from the AFL this week.
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Richmond is being screwed and Id say its a deliberate strategy.
Hocking hates us with a passion :shh
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Pickett suspended yet this high shot on Short is given the all clear by the MRO and the umps ::).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1-5aA9VEAIFjf5?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/SpartanGhost17/status/1396017379088343041)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/SpartanGhost17/status/1396017379088343041
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Graeme Richmond wouldn't have copped this shyte...... :shh
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About time our club grew some balls and told Shocking and Gilligan to GAGF’d
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Pickett suspended yet this high shot on Short is given the all clear by the MRO and the umps ::).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1-5aA9VEAIFjf5?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/SpartanGhost17/status/1396017379088343041)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/SpartanGhost17/status/1396017379088343041
Pathetic why a we not getting the same rules and frees as the other side.
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Better for us that Short wasn’t given a free kick. Wouldn’t have benefited us in any way to have the whistle blown then as Rioli was out in open space
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Most blatant htb of all time against Whitfield that would've given the WC a shot at goal & the lead not paid , then a 50/50 htb paid against WC less than a minute later....maggots stuffing us over even when we're not playing..... :thumbsdown
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CORNES TELLS HARDWICK TO "STOP CRYING" AFTER FREE KICK COMMENTS
Kane Cornes says Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has "got to stop crying” after complaining about the free kick count at half time of Friday night’s match against Brisbane.
The former tagger believes the AFL "needs to have a word" with the Tigers premiership coach.
“Look, (he was a) premiership teammate of mine, he has been unbelievable for four years and it's a great story, but he's got to stop crying,” Cornes said on AFL Nation.
“He cried before the game last night on the coverage with Fox Footy, he said that (Tom) Lynch and (Jack) Riewoldt hadn’t had enough free kicks for the year.
"He cried at half time about the free kick differential, he cried all last week, as did the club.
"I think there's got to be a letter sent from the AFL or something and start handing out fines for the complaining that we're getting from the reigning premiership coach and team.”
Hardwick last week expressed his disappointment at Richmond being forced to play a home game at Marvel Stadium, away from their regular home ground at the MCG.
He made efforts to take those comments back during the week, but Cornes believes the three-time premiership coach undid his good work with his comments on Friday night.
‘He backed away from (the comments about Marvel Stadium from last week) during the week,” Cornes said.
“I bet you the AFL had a word to him and said that isn’t good enough, so he’s backed away from that but then he’s gone again at half time on the national stage of prime time footy."
Richmond lost the free kick count 28-16 on Friday night against the Lions, and are 18th in the competition for free kick differential.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/22/cornes-tells-hardwick-to-stop-crying-after-free-kick-comments/
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Pretty funny coming from this stuffwit given his crying after the Hartlett DOB last year!
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Yes no need to complain when you’ve conceded 20 free kicks to half time when the highest team average for frees for a full game is 23...... not to mention we only got 6 back our way.
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TIGERS’ FREE KICK WHINGE IS SIMPLY WRONG
Max Laughton and Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
May 24th, 2021
If you’d listened to Twitter on Friday night, you would’ve thought Richmond was a free kick away from beating Brisbane.
Heck, if you’d listened to Damien Hardwick at halftime, you would’ve thought so too.
“Six to 21 free kicks mate, it’s pretty hard to win the ball when you’re either second to it or the count isn’t going our way,” the triple premiership coach told Channel 7.
He wasn’t wrong; the Tigers were behind in that stat. But he chose not to cite other statistics, such as Brisbane’s 37-19 inside 50s lead, or 21-11 clearance lead, or 83-57 contested possession lead.
The Lions went on to win quite comfortably, off the back of dominating the latter three categories. And Hardwick’s comments play into the great fallacy of footy: that the free kick count really matters.
In the book Footballistics, author James Coventry and his team analysed which statistics are most closely correlated with winning.
For example, between 2007 and 2017, the team that won the inside 50 count won the game 74.2 per cent of the time; if you’re winning the territory battle, you’re more likely to win the game.
What about free kicks? Well, the team that won the free kick count won the game 52.4 per cent of the time. That’s barely better than flipping a coin to tip a winner; even being the team that had more smothers (52.5 per cent) was more predictive.
So what does this tell us? Obviously free kicks - or non-free kicks - can be incredibly decisive. Just ask Melbourne fans. But overall it barely matters if you win or lose the free kick count; and there’s certainly nothing in the rules that says the count has to be even.
The funny thing is, Richmond has proven that better than anyone.
In their current dynastic era, the Tigers have always given away more free kicks than they’ve received. In 2017, 2018 and 2021 so far, they ranked 18th for free kick differential - the gap between the frees they received and the frees they gave away. They were 17th last year, and 13th in 2018.
Has that mattered? Obviously not. Richmond has won three flags in four years despite never getting ‘the rub of the green’ in the free kick count.
The common wisdom is that teams who are first to the ball win more free kicks, because they put themselves in positions to be awarded them. The Tigers aren’t the best contested ball team, and in recent years have prioritised winning the ball on turnover and applying manic pressure.
That manic pressure, and playing on the edge, means Richmond plays a risky style of footy. But the risks generally pay off, because if they don’t give away a free, they find themselves in an advantageous position.
We complain about free kicks because it’s an understandable emotional response. But for the most part, it’s just not rational.
Stop worrying about free kicks, Richmond fans. You too, Dimma.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-round-10-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-richmond-free-kicks-hugh-mccluggage-brownlow-finals-chances/news-story/de26a073a2a1389682b24b31f1c1152c
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Years since last negative free kick differential (incl. 2021*):
0 BRI, COL, FRE, GCS, HAW, PTA, RIC, STK
1 CAR, ESS, GEE, GWS
2 MEL, SYD
3
4 ADE
5
6
7
8 WBD
9 NTH
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20 WCE
https://twitter.com/SquiggleAFL/status/1396657170595278858
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Years since last positive free kick differential (incl. 2021*):
0 10 teams
1 BRI, COL, FRE, PTA
2 GCS
3 HAW
4 STK
5
6 RIC
https://twitter.com/SquiggleAFL/status/1396680414194900994
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AFL THREATENS TO SUSPEND PLAYERS, OFFICIALS AND COACHES FOR UMPIRE ABUSE
Sam Edmund
SEN
26 May 2021
The AFL has threatened to suspend anyone who criticises umpires or approaches them on game day.
The league yesterday dialled up the strictness on umpire abuse, fed up with what it believes to be an increasing willingness to make public comment on the whistleblowers.
In a scheduled meeting with club CEO’s, the league warned that it was willing to ban players, officials and even coaches for commenting on the umpiring.
The latest chapter was Damien Hardwick’s umpire swipe on prime-time television at half-time of Richmond’s loss to the Brisbane Lions last Friday night.
“Six to 21 free kicks mate, it’s pretty hard to win the ball when you’re either second to the it or the count isn’t going our way,” he told Channel 7.
“We’ve got a young midfield we understand that, but we need to start getting a little bit of luck I reckon.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/25/afl-threatens-to-suspend-players-for-umpire-abuse/
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Shocking a stuffen campaigner - I can't wait for that prick to get boned.
Maybe get it stuffen right Shocking and people wouldn't be so pee'd off.
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Things will never improve whilst the maggots are a protected species
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Loool another branch of there dictatorship any sport in the world you can question umpiring and decisions as long done the right way how many results afl has come out and admitted they got it wrong and it cost games not including our Port one the out of bounce.They think immune to criticism.
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Loool another branch of there dictatorship any sport in the world you can question umpiring and decisions as long done the right way how many results afl has come out and admitted they got it wrong and it cost games not including our Port one the out of bounce.They think immune to criticism.
No criticism = perfect umpiring
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Just imagine if Neil Warnock was an AFL coach. He'd be ban for years :lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU0PbRCMJdQ
"It's a disgrace"
"Is he lying or did he see that?"
"How do I mark him today? That's the best I've seen him referee that. I've had some nightmares with him. I thought he had a good game but he was wrong there."
"Honestly, the laws of the game and the people that run it now ... Mike Riley .... crikey! ... he'll probably end up running the referee association this guy"
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Just imagine if Neil Warnock was an AFL coach. He'd be ban for years :lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU0PbRCMJdQ
"It's a disgrace"
"Is he lying or did he see that?"
"How do I mark him today? That's the best I've seen him referee that. I've had some nightmares with him. I thought he had a good game but he was wrong there."
"Honestly, the laws of the game and the people that run it now ... Mike Riley .... crikey! ... he'll probably end up running the referee association this guy"
The umpires wouldn't make it to the carpark in the afl .
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Yes we're 10-4 up in frees so we can't complain but geez how are the players on both sides expected to know what is and isn't a free when tonight has been umpired so differently to the other games in the past fortnight. HTB no longer exists again.
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:gobdrop :gobdrop
Over HTB not being paid
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Just 3 free kicks paid combined in a whole quarter of footy lol. We got 1 that qtr.
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Needs a complete overhaul does this side of the game. I blame Hocking the spud :wallywink
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Needs a complete overhaul does this side of the game. I blame Hocking the spud :wallywink
Yep he is single handedly ruining the game
His rule changes haven't improved the game one iota
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Needs a complete overhaul does this side of the game. I blame Hocking the spud :wallywink
Yep he is single handedly ruining the game
His rule changes haven't improved the game one iota
I disagree.
I think the kicking in rule has improved the game from a kick in point of view
Initially I thought the standing the Mark rule was ridiculous but I actually really like it even though it was brought in because of us I reckon there is more open play and more goals as a result.
It gives the smarter players even more opportunities to create play.
All we need is a bigger reduction in the use interchange (5 per quarter) and get rid of prior opportunity rule and I think we will see even more improvement.
If the umps just paid incorrect disposal it would also help the game.
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Needs a complete overhaul does this side of the game. I blame Hocking the spud :wallywink
Yep he is single handedly ruining the game
His rule changes haven't improved the game one iota
Agree, though look at the creators. Spud Hocking and his mate Chris Scott
What annoys me is how the umpiring differs from round to round.
They are a basket case that department.
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Love how Cornes all of a sudden sees an issue with umpires after highlighting 2 obvious non decisions involving the Tiges. There were at least a dozen last night both ways. To be honest I’d prefer to see them pay nothing than picking and choosing.
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he plays on it buddy. I thought exactly the same thing.
He knows we have the biggest supporter base so its his way of staying relevant.
he probably trolls on here like some of you blokes troll through those other rubbish sites.
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Easy to cherry pick like Cornes does.
For instance, this should have been a clear free to Jack for not only holding but also third-man in the ruck.
https://twitter.com/Jpana75/status/1401360870127521793
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If Richmond lose the free kick count it’s because they’re undisciplined
If Richmond win the free count it’s unfair and they’re being favoured
Fans hate towards Richmond is now at comical levels that that can’t see the hypocrisy they spew.
https://twitter.com/AaronWright360/status/1401335599613706244
:yep
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In fairness the hate is much like the hate that was bestowed upon the hawks, well it was for me anyway.
The hawks supporters annoyed me the most as they weren't really die hard fans.
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Tend to agree, green eyed envy
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The 11 non-decisions that prompted calls for a ‘black and white’ six-week rule trial
Video in the link: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-holding-the-ball-essendon-vs-richmond-ben-dixon-confused-rule-change/news-story/03128d32749ac21aaa85fa3355ed4f80
They showed nine incidents in the video which wasn't just an Essendon sook fest. Half were frees not paid to us.
1. Phillips non-disposal in Dusty's tackle.
2. Stringer spun >360 degrees in Houli's tackle.
3. Laverde illegal disposal from Pickett's tackle.
4. Guelfi spun 360 + illegal disposal, tackled by Vlastuin.
5. Dusty tackled and spun >360.
6. Baker tackled immediately after receiving the ball and held in. [ed. Not sure why this one is listed?].
7. Aarts tackled and drops the ball.
8. Grimes tackled and gets no foot contact (illegal disposal).
9. Graham tackled by Cox. Was it high initially? Cox ends up with fist of Graham's jumper at the shoulder.
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Gee that Phillips one was bad. Was actually twice HTB!
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From SEN:
Umpire Dean Margetts has explained the holding the ball rule, which has caused plenty of consternation among footy fans in recent weeks.
“There’s a lot of different cues for holding the ball,” he said on SEN WA’s Sporting Goss.
“The perfect tackle doesn’t mean it is a free kick. If I haven’t had prior opportunity and I get tackled, all I have to do is make a genuine attempt to handball or kick. If I miss that, it’s play on.
“If there’s no prior opportunity we must then see a genuine attempt to dispose (of the ball). If we see that, it will be play on.”
Specifically touching on some 360 and even 720-degree tackles which were judged as play on, Margetts added: “The rule is, have you had reasonable time?"
“If we deem the 360 to be reasonable time, which I don’t think it is… There was (also) a 720, but it happens really quickly.
“It’s an interpretational decision. My concern is, and I heard a lot of social media after Dreamtime that we might have got a couple of decisions incorrect, but it’s generally the way people want it umpired, not the way umpires are instructed to umpire.
“As I say, there are so many cues. Prior opportunity, illegal disposal, have you dived on the ball, is the tackle legal, and this is all happening in a split second.
“It’s very easy in your comfy chair at home to go, ‘oh, that’s a poor decision’, but I’d love to take people on a little two-minute tour of an AFL game just to get an idea of it. I’m not making excuses for errors, but it is a lot more difficult than what people may think.
“Don’t criticise the umpire because we’re educated and we’re paid to get it right.”
The veteran umpire also gave an insight into the officiating of the incorrect disposal rule.
“It must be an illegal disposal, so that’s a clenched fist or anything below the knee,” he said further.
“It’s the prior opportunity or no prior opportunity that comes into it. If I’ve picked up the ball and had a bounce and then I get tackled, if I get even a little toe to it, that’s deemed a legal disposal.
“To the people in the back row at Optus, they’re going that’s holding the ball, but he’s still actually physically kicked the ball.
“If it misses my boot, 100 per cent that’s holding the ball. What people forget is a little ‘clenched-fister’ is actually a legal disposal. You can’t pay a free kick for that.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/10/umpire-margetts-explains-holding-the-ball-rule-following-dreamtime-confusion/
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What the?
Can someone please explain what the hell Margetts is talking about :-\
:wallywink :help
On 2nd thoughts don't bother
RIP Holding the Ball
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What a stuffwit
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There’s a lot of different cues for holding the ball,” he said on SEN WA’s Sporting Goss.
……“The perfect tackle doesn’t mean it is a free kick. If I haven’t had prior opportunity and I get tackled, all I have to do is make a genuine attempt to handball or kick. If I miss that, it’s play on.
“If there’s no prior opportunity we must then see a genuine attempt to dispose (of the ball). If we see that, it will be play on.”
……. “As I say, there are so many cues. Prior opportunity, illegal disposal, have you dived on the ball, is the tackle legal, and this is all happening in a split second.
……. “It’s the prior opportunity or no prior opportunity that comes into it. If I’ve picked up the ball and had a bounce and then I get tackled, if I get even a little toe to it, that’s deemed a legal disposal.
I rest my case! :rollin
What a bloody joke
#getridofprioropportunityrule
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So which was worse - the dangerous tackle call against Pickett or Ryan's 10 metre kick to Kennedy being called a mark? :banghead
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A tie between us and the umps for dumb decisions and execution of them. The umps were biased and shocking but we still should have won.
Pickett's "dangerous tackle" call has to be one of the worst umpiring decisions ever made. I wonder if we will get a worthless apology now during the week like Brisbane and Geelong did ::).
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Umps were crap both ways tonight. Let plenty go uncalled
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Agree but we copped the crap ones when it most mattered.... :shh
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That dangerous tackle call was rubbish and laughable. If they don’t apologise it will be an absolute disgrace.
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A tie between us and the umps for dumb decisions and execution of them. The umps were biased and shocking but we still should have won.
Pickett's "dangerous tackle" call has to be one of the worst umpiring decisions ever made. I wonder if we will get a worthless apology now during the week like Brisbane and Geelong did ::).
. We led most of the game and the decisions cost the outcome. The other thing they kept getting away with all night was shoving players in the back at marking comps even into other players.
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If any of the following happens in the last qtr we win the game
1. Jack halves a few contests
2. The umpires don't shaft us completely with ridiculous decisions.
- The last contest of the game was a free kick to Bolton for a push out
- Pickett free kick was a joke
- Grimes free kick when he hand balled it was a joke
- Kennedy grassed a mark from a kick that went 8m.
3. Chol being willing to work hard to get to defensive contests
4. Cotch being able to go with Yeo
5. Flossy hitting a target with his kick
We didn't get any of these right and hence lost. Get one of these right and we win
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On 360 they measured Ryan's kick at 14.5 metres (bullshyte) which according to Laurel & Hardy was "close enough".... ::)
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On 360 they measured Ryan's kick at 14.5 metres (bullshyte) which according to Laurel & Hardy was "close enough".... ::)
Here's the segment from 360:
"Let's settle the debate..."
The #AFL360 team reveal exactly how long Liam Ryan's kick to Josh Kennedy was on Sunday night.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1404374402863566849
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Was it the full 15 metres?
By AAP
15 June 2021
WEST Coast forward Josh Kennedy admits he was a little lucky to be paid the mark that led to his match-winning goal against Richmond, but he's adamant the ball travelled the necessary 15 metres.
Debate has raged about the distance of Liam Ryan's pass ever since Kennedy nailed the snap with 40 seconds to go that sunk the tigers by four points last Sunday night.
A measurement of the kick broadcast on Fox Footy placed it at 14.5 metres - 50 centimetres short of what is required under official rules for a mark to be paid (watch the pass in the player below).
Kennedy says it travelled the necessary distance but understands the umpires could have easily thought otherwise.
"They're the ones that sometimes they call play on, sometimes they don't. I was quite lucky in the end," Kennedy told 6PR.
"I felt like it was 15m and the umpire called it 15m, so we'll take it.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/632014/was-it-the-full-15-metres-lucky-josh-on-that-liam-ryan-pass
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😂. Yeah 14.5 Bout the same height as the mound of bs they’re laying on
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Was it the full 15 metres?
By AAP
15 June 2021
WEST Coast forward Josh Kennedy admits he was a little lucky to be paid the mark that led to his match-winning goal against Richmond, but he's adamant the ball travelled the necessary 15 metres.
Debate has raged about the distance of Liam Ryan's pass ever since Kennedy nailed the snap with 40 seconds to go that sunk the tigers by four points last Sunday night.
A measurement of the kick broadcast on Fox Footy placed it at 14.5 metres - 50 centimetres short of what is required under official rules for a mark to be paid (watch the pass in the player below).
Kennedy says it travelled the necessary distance but understands the umpires could have easily thought otherwise.
"They're the ones that sometimes they call play on, sometimes they don't. I was quite lucky in the end," Kennedy told 6PR.
"I felt like it was 15m and the umpire called it 15m, so we'll take it.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/632014/was-it-the-full-15-metres-lucky-josh-on-that-liam-ryan-pass
Kennedy also said drug use has never been a part of West C history or culture!
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Dont mention the war
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Talk about kissed on the Willy. Cats give away so many frees that aren't paid at that poor excuse for a ground
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Both teams are chuckers. Dogs actually won the free kick count 21-13.
Almost fell off my chair when Selwood was actually pinged for a throw :o. Rarer than Haley's comet.
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It was hocking that referred the McKay bump to the tribunal, this bloke and his directions are killing our game, who voted him in, how do you get rid of him
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More than a few tackles in that match rewarded with free kicks that I have no doubt would've been ruled in the back had it been us.... :shh
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Credit where it's due - they helped us out tonight.... :shh
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No way did we deserve to win...but jeez wasn't just the Gold Coast who ambushed us tonight..... :banghead
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We play like poo. We dont deserve to win games playing like that irrespective of how umpires umpure our games.
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No way did we deserve to win...but jeez wasn't just the Gold Coast who ambushed us tonight..... :banghead
You didn’t watch the first quarter?
Come on mate :shh
:rollin
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Insipid but we were easily The worst team tonight
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last quarter was a farce too, they had two sets of tackling without the ball rules. it was 8-1 at one stage. We didn't deserve a win though. We look slow, fumbly and poo, second to the ball a lot and predictable. Every game they know where we are gonna swing it for a handball and are waiting. There is a lack of that click going on that we used to have. Team has changed a lot except the glamor gang.
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If that's the way they want the game umpired then they shouldn't be surprised crowds are down. We don't go to watch the umps wreck a game. #1 might as well have wore a Suns jumper.
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No way did we deserve to win...but jeez wasn't just the Gold Coast who ambushed us tonight..... :banghead
You didn’t watch the first quarter?
Come on mate :shh
:rollin
Do you ever read a post properly? :shh
How was umpiring in the last quarter when it most mattered? :shh :shh
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
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No way did we deserve to win...but jeez wasn't just the Gold Coast who ambushed us tonight..... :banghead
You didn’t watch the first quarter?
Come on mate :shh
:rollin
Do you ever read a post properly? :shh
How was umpiring in the last quarter when it most mattered? :shh :shh
:lol
Apologies, I clearly did not read that post you wrote :shh :shh
:rollin
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
Well all i can say to Jack is get a kick, take a mark and kick straight. Until you start doing this- shut up!
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
Well all i can say to Jack is get a kick, take a mark and kick straight. Until you start doing this- shut up!
I would've just liked him to kill the ball over the boundary line.... :banghead
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
Well all i can say to Jack is get a kick, take a mark and kick straight. Until you start doing this- shut up!
I would've just liked him to kill the ball over the boundary line.... :banghead
Yep, super costly
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11 - 2 in the last...'nuff said... :shh
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
Terrific, just terrificTM,
Jack,
Yes the umps were crap but your job is to kick goals and you missed the ones you should have kicked
Can i suggest you focus on that >:(
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
More people speak up about this without fear of AFL reprisals the better
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Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
Terrific, just terrificTM,
Jack,
Yes the umps were crap but your job is to kick goals and you missed the ones you should have kicked
Can i suggest you focus on that >:(
But they did crucify us, umpiring this year has been at it’s all time worst in my time of watching it. I can honestly say I’ve only felt like the umpires have cost us games of football a handful of time over many years watching the tigers .... this year I can nominate 3 or 4 games that have cost us this year alone.
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But they did crucify us, umpiring this year has been at it’s all time worst in my time of watching it. I can honestly say I’ve only felt like the umpires have cost us games of football a handful of time over many years watching the tigers .... this year I can nominate 3 or 4 games that have cost us this year alone.
As I said they were crap ...but I do get your point
They get worse every week not disputing that. I reckon they definitely contributed to us losing the WCE game
But Jack missing sitters isn't the fault of the umpires. Mouthing off about how crap they are isn't going to change the result or their decision
I get he was frustrated, we all were but mouthing off like that just gives the media more ammunition to fire at us....
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I’m not sure if it’s partly due to the rules but I also think there is a bias against Richmond. I not sure where it’s coming from.
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The reason why we get a lot of frees against us was our pressure and manic style of play that would sometimes cause us to cross the line so to speak. But playing like that has more reward vs risk.
Now we are just giving away those stupid free kicks that loser teams give away like holding or blocking and pushing in the back etc.
It isn’t the same scenario this year as in past years.
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Steve Hocking is leaving his post at the AFL to become Geelong Cats’ new CEO
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/geelong/steve-hocking-is-leaving-his-post-at-the-afl-to-become-geelong-cats-new-ceo/news-story/ea6a73a688dcda4c37355d912832d7f8
you couldnt make it up if you tried what has gone on here.
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Steve Hocking is leaving his post at the AFL to become Geelong Cats’ new CEO
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/geelong/steve-hocking-is-leaving-his-post-at-the-afl-to-become-geelong-cats-new-ceo/news-story/ea6a73a688dcda4c37355d912832d7f8
you couldnt make it up if you tried what has gone on here.
Who cares he is going
Obviously he feels he can't stuff the game any further
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Thank god- the worst administrator the game has seen. Has made the game almost unwatchable.
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Steve Hocking is leaving his post at the AFL to become Geelong Cats’ new CEO
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/geelong/steve-hocking-is-leaving-his-post-at-the-afl-to-become-geelong-cats-new-ceo/news-story/ea6a73a688dcda4c37355d912832d7f8
you couldnt make it up if you tried what has gone on here.
Who cares he is going
Obviously he feels he can't stuff the game any further
Its too late, its stuffed.
His damage has been profound.
Colluding with who knows at his now new employer to change the game that we dominated.
https://twitter.com/KISSMyArt72/status/1370940609754664961/photo/1
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Mission accomplished, set his team up quits in time to rejoin them for finals
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Disgraceful , there is no doubt he has been helping Geelong already, with a bias against Richmond
Making the standing on the mark rule because he was incensed at Cotchin moving around on the mark
His own brother dislikes him says a lot
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5f19fQWUAAafCi?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1411867447594991620
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So HTB only applies to us ::). 4 clear frees to us not paid which were no different to the one against Bolton.
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Terrible tonight.
They are letting the pies drop everything. Just terrible.
The HTB paid against Jack was absurd.
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Free kicks:
Tigers 16
Pies 24
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and weren't those multiple 50 metres handy and the bs ones in front of goal lol. The best one was that guy who did a diving hand ball into our player and got a high contact penalty literally dived into him fmd, you can just award yourself one at anytime if that's the rule just push your face into any oppo players arms and you get a shot at goal
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6n_YSgXsAAmUXj?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1416944353667338242
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I see the "Can't hold a player off the ball unless they're Richmond" rule is still in full effect.... :banghead
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Frees: 12 - 20 ::)
Umps were a joke tonight making up the rules as they went.
"If you attempt to soccer the ball and it goes out then bad luck."
They were also coaching the Freo players.
"Stay out or it'll be a free"
Then add their HTB russian roulette decisons. Hot for us as soon as we took possession whereas a Freo player could try to avoid 3 Tigers and not get pinged.
Still despite all that we've only got ourselves to blame. We were as bad as the umps. So many stuff-ups of our own making that cost us the game.
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I have seen some terrible umpiring in my time (this year in focus) but this was absolutely disgusting. The comp is stuffed with the current admin in charge.
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Disgusting. The game is completely stuffed
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All you can do is laugh
And lose any faith you have
Not blaming the umps as pathetic circus clowns they are
But we don’t deserve finals
Love my tigers 🐅
Merry xmas one eyeders I’m over it
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7wJVdoX0AE_-1t?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1422021849454632962
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NOT why we're losing but not helping:
Norf players moving on the mark all game - not one 50 :banghead
Norf players given an eternity to get rid of it :banghead
Cotchin coathangered off the ball - no free :banghead
Bolton cops the most blatant front on contact -would've had a shot.. - no free :banghead
etc etc etc.... :banghead :banghead :banghead
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How was that not a free to Nank? :banghead
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I try not bag umps as they have a tough job even more so now with the ridiculous rules Hocking has bought in
But geez they've been pathetic again this week
A different set of rules for each team it seems
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Once again it's the frees that we should get but don't that are the issue.
HTB is a complete joke.
AFL claims it wants to protect the head yet our players can have their head almost ripped off and it's called play on.
SHocking's legacy in full show :thumbsdown.
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They should be better considering there’s no crowd bias to sway their decision making process.
But clearly they are just as blind as any Carlton supporter :rollin
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They should be better considering there’s no crowd bias to sway their decision making process.
But clearly they are just as blind as any Carlton supporter :rollin
Umpiring and the game is at an all time low thanks to Hocking and Co. :thumbsdown
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The stuffholes
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I am always thinking I am probably biased BUT I watched Geelong v GWS, on Friday night, GES were bent over severely by the umpires.
Is there an agenda ( not so hidden) being directed to the umpires??
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There are two football people who could improve the current state of the game tomorrow given the chance. Eddie and Grant Thomas see the game like most of us see it. They like us are so frustrated with the non frees to HTB, push in the back, ducking and receiving a free, the ridiculous taking out the legs rule which has evolved to something completely different than what is was meant to be, throwing is allowed, standing still on the mark :banghead, and the list goes on.
The current standard across the board is at an all time low and people are turning off. The boofheads at AFL house will disagree sadly :banghead
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/cf4c49da-6ea5-4a86-99a4-d6ee9c30693a-jpeg.1202463/)
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Stuffing cheating maggots started early
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The fix is on here.
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What the stuff is going on. 12 points literally scored by umps
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This is genuine match fixing
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I don’t bash the umpires
In fact I find it annoying and tiring
But this has been as bad a start that I’ve ever seen, bordering on cheating
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(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/166726.gif)(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/166726.gif)(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/166726.gif)
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Bad as I've seen it tonight.
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Elsewhere, the umpiring decisions were criticised given the 12-point swing they effectively created at the outset of the match.
Wow , outrageous Decisions.
https://twitter.com/mattricho0/status/1426121620297437193
AFL rule of the week…….Umpires make sure Tigers don’t make finals. (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)
https://twitter.com/Thomo_Grant/status/1426121232164872197
Geez we are seeing some soft free kicks paid.
#AFLGiantsTigers
https://twitter.com/Jude_Bolton/status/1426124627613413376
YES
That's absolutely NOT a FK against Lynch there.
Shocking call. #AFLGiantsTigers
https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1426120471867576321
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-richmond-vs-gws-umpire-decisions-free-kick-count-video-social-media-reaction/news-story/186a72b97ed6f2c956e5fd280f18353a
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Not even a mention from the afl regarding those the umpiring in the first 15 minutes and those decisions.
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Has anyone noticed what a good run Geelong get with not only the umpires but with the tribunal , can’t be just luck surely
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Happy with where your club has ended up after the 2021 season?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9il0FhVUAAeOMH?format=png&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1430075197718077444
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-86 for us? Unbelievable! Especially when the second last side (StKilda) were 52 frees in front of us!
That is last in a very big way, an impossible way, a rigged way, a totally unfair way ...
The most penalized but also the least rewarded side - Good job SHocking!
Can we get a ladder showing how many goals were scored from free kicks for each side for the year? I'll bet we finished on top of that ladder! :thumbsdown
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An independent enquiry is warranted. It’s stuffen blatant bias against us.
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How does this compare to the last ten years or so?
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it's almost like they are ripping the pee out of us LOL
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The Dogs held a differential of +79, some 46 free kicks clear of second placed Geelong on +33. The Cats were the most significant movers in the final four weeks going from sixth to second.
Down the bottom, it was Richmond who held up the rest for most of the season.
The Tigers had by far the worst differential at -86 after receiving the least frees for and giving away the equal second most.
It completed a fifth straight season in which the reigning premiers have finished a season with a differential of -30 or more.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/31/the-full-2021-afl-free-kick-ladder/
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Stuff me I didn’t know the umpires got presented with medals for the GF
That’s seriously stuffed up
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Stuff me I didn’t know the umpires got presented with medals for the GF
That’s seriously stuffed up
Been happening since about 2016
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Well to be fair they were best on for the Dogs that year.... :shh
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Stuff me I didn’t know the umpires got presented with medals for the GF
That’s seriously stuffed up
Been happening since about 2016
Well their you go that explains a lot
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The Umps were amongst the Bullducks best players last night...
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The Umps were amongst the Bullducks best players last night...
Yep they got away with a few which would have given Dees a shot at goal when they were trailing. Good thing it didn't matter
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AFL supporters have called for the stand rule to be abolished, are tired of rule changes and want clearer umpiring interpretations, a new survey has found.
The AFL Fans Association has released the findings of its maiden poll exclusively to The Age, and the results have been sent to AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan and club presidents and chief executives.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fans-take-a-stand-on-rule-changes-commentary-and-curtain-raisers-20220214-p59w5g.html
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Here's the AFL Fan Survey's comments on the stand rule:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/FanSurveyAFL2022.png)
https://www.aflfans.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2021-AFL-Fan-Survey_Final-1.pdf
A quarter of responses were from Tiger supporters :thumbsup.
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I agree. And get rid of the worst rule in footy, Prior opportunity.
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BALME on stand rule:
I can’t believe some idiot came up with that idea in the first place. We like to cover space, so it probably did challenge us a bit. But, you just gotta deal with it.
https://twitter.com/SportsdaySA/status/1495673255356944384
:clapping
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Balmey telling it like it is. Never feared anyone on the ground nor off it.
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Balmey's full comments:
“I can’t believe that some idiot came up with that idea in the first place,” a tongue-in-cheek Balme told Sportsday SA.
“It’s crazy, but anyway, let’s not go there.
“It probably did challenge us a little bit, but you’ve just got to deal with it. It means the other blokes behind the ball have got to work a bit harder to cover the spaces and the opportunities because the bloke on the mark has got to let the guy play on for some reason.
“I don’t quite know why, but that’s the way it is.
“I’m not quite sure what we’ve specifically done on it, but I think it’s more about covering the player and the space depending on what’s most dangerous at the time.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/02/22/richmond-masterminds-honest-assessment-of-crazy-stand-rule/
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Haha.
A not so subtle dig at shocking
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THE AFL has launched a crackdown on umpire abuse from players and club staff this season as the League looks to stamp out "disrespect" towards the officials.
A memo was sent to all club football managers and senior coaches on Tuesday stressing the importance of respect towards umpires and outlining updated expectations of players.
The League said it was 6,000 umpires short at community football level and that setting the right example at the top level was vital to ensuring umpires continue to be developed across the country.
A video was sent to clubs showing material of dissenting AFL players from last year demonstrating actions that will result in either a free kick or 50-metre penalty being given against them this season.
The examples show players remonstrating with umpires in different ways such as pointing at the scoreboard to watch replays of incidents, approaching the umpires aggressively after decisions and raising their voice and acting in abusive ways challenging calls.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/708018/umpire-abuse-crackdown-afl-looks-to-stamp-out-disrespect-
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Watch how they punish us with 50 metre penalties when we curse multiple horrible decisions.... Just like they will unfairly target Dusty for a fend off. Meanwhile the Bulldogs and Collingwood will still be treated differently to the rest of the competition. If umpiring was consistent more often it would go along way to fixing these very issues.
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In fact we might as well pencil in now at least 5 to 6 50 metre penalties against for round 1.
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I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
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I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
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I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
You really genuinely believe that :lol.
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I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
You really genuinely believe that :lol.
I agree with the position we will be in, but my concern is that it is not about the way we play….
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I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
It's not the free kicks we give away that ticks us off though. It's the ones we don't get that do.
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I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
It's not the free kicks we give away that ticks us off though. It's the ones we don't get that do.
Spot on goes down the other end and the team is payed the free while with us it's play on.
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How was Dangerfield's raised fly kick to Miller's upper chest missed by the ump and not even looked at by MRO? :huh
So much for cracking down on "duty of care"!
Vision here: https://twitter.com/Anthonydsmith86/status/1501136415710580737
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I did enjoy Danger having a free kick reversed because he ducked
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How was Dangerfield's raised fly kick to Miller's upper chest missed by the ump and not even looked at by MRO? :huh
So much for cracking down on "duty of care"!
Vision here: https://twitter.com/Anthonydsmith86/status/1501136415710580737
And then he whinged when he hit the deck. BS
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We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
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We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
Rinse and repeat. If I could bet on the free kick count in our games then I'd be a very rich person. We get shafted every week.
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We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
The EIGHT 50m penalties were due to our stupidity and ill-discipline
Nothing to do with the umps.
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The 50 against Sheds in the 2nd was just laughable! Carlton player marks & goes back 2mtrs, the ump calls ‘stand’ to Sheds. Carlton player fakes a handball, Sheds lifted his foot off the ground & put it back down again - called for 50mtr penalty! Sheds didn’t come forward or even backwards, he didn’t even go laterally. So is that what the stand rule was designed to achieve? :-\
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The 50 against Sheds in the 2nd was just laughable! Carlton player marks & goes back 2mtrs, the ump calls ‘stand’ to Sheds. Carlton player fakes a handball, Sheds lifted his foot off the ground & put it back down again - called for 50mtr penalty! Sheds didn’t come forward or even backwards, he didn’t even go laterally. So is that what the stand rule was designed to achieve? :-\
Absolutely laughable. And it wasn't the only one tonight. I would need to go back though the replay but I'm not sure I want too. I can't think of any game ever that 8 50 metre penalties were given. We blew it but we weren't done any favours by the umpires that's for sure.
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We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
The EIGHT 50m penalties were due to our stupidity and ill-discipline
Nothing to do with the umps.
Not all of them.
The Edwards and Soldo ones were ridiculous.
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We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
The EIGHT 50m penalties were due to our stupidity and ill-discipline
Nothing to do with the umps.
I think everyone in footy knew what the new standards were going to be but clearly none of our players got the memo.
And let’s not learn from the first one let’s do it seven more times :banghead
How dumb can you get? :help
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Graham shouldn't have played...was not only clearly physically underdone but judging by the stupid frees he gave away all night was also mentally underdone...and they do often go hand in hand... :shh
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Most of the 50s and frees in general last night were due to us being dumb and ill-disciplined.
Having said that the one that was totally unfair was the 50m paid after the incorrectly called "kicking in danger" free. The Carlton player went to ground and slid into Sheds' legs. That's a free to Sheds every day of the week under the AFL's sliding rule. It was brought in to avoid broken legs. So players need to keep their feet. The ump screwed up yet we get doubly penalised for it ::).
When you rewatch the vision, Sheds clearly thought it was his free for having his legs taken out and he calls Graham to hurry up and give him the ball. That's why Graham threw the ball to Sheds.
In the past, the ump would've spotted the obvious confusion and simply confirmed to everyone what the free paid was and to whom. Only an idiot like SHocking was stupid enough to change this ::).
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Adam Cerra got a dream run off the umps - at least 3 questionable in the Back frees. He appears to dive forward when his is tackled. Don't know how long it will take the umps to wake up
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Adam Cerra got a dream run off the umps - at least 3 questionable in the Back frees. He appears to dive forward when his is tackled. Don't know how long it will take the umps to wake up
Probably a decade
Dangerfield has even doing it for years and still gets away with it
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Hardwick admitted his team conceding eight 50m penalties “hurt” in starting a chain of inside 50s the other way and that it’s something they would address internally.
But Hardwick wasn’t necessarily concerned with disciplinary issues, highlighting how Graham’s infringement for throwing the ball to the wrong player was simply unfortunate.
“I can recall some and not others, so we’ll have to have a look at it and see what it is,” the Richmond coach said.
“Sometimes it’s just unlucky, Jack Graham thinks it’s our free kick and throws it to our guy, it’s the other guy’s free kick. Sometimes those things happen.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2022-richmond-tigers-injuries-dion-prestia-jack-riewoldt-updates-latest-damien-hardwick-press-conference-loss-to-carlton/news-story/971057a6b650ce0af23f245cd7b7c116)
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Watched part of the replay
The double 50 was caused by Jake Aarts :banghead
Graham gave away 1st one for stupid dissent towards the umpire
Then Aarts is running next to the Carlton player, Aarts told 3 times move away. He doesn't 2nd fifty and another soft goal
That's not umpiring that’s just stupidity
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‘Milton’ Cox (Coll vs StKilda) had a free go against him in a marking contest, he stands on the mark protesting the umpire’s decision. 50 mtrs? Nah …. ::)
The commentators all agreed that the rules have been relaxed since the pre-season …. :huh
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Adam Cerra got a dream run off the umps - at least 3 questionable in the Back frees. He appears to dive forward when his is tackled. Don't know how long it will take the umps to wake up
Spot on and they will not wake up unfortunately
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Let's just face facts- the game is stuffed :shh
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Amazing what sensible commonsense umpiring looks like. Collingwood player unaware of a free to St Kilda gets the double whistle to call him to stop and tell him it's a free to the other team. It's not hard! ::)
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Different rules tonight ::).
Jack Martin spun around 360 degrees in the tackle before getting the handball off = play on and goal to Carlton.
Mason Wood spun around 360 degrees in the tackle before getting the handball off = holding the ball against St Kilda (fair enough it's the new rule).
Noah Balta puts the ball on the ground rather than giving it back = 50m penalty (fair enough it's the rule).
St Kilda player puts the ball on the ground rather than giving it back = nothing to see here.
There is something dramatically wrong when the game is officiated completely differently from game to game and week to week. Another SHocking legacy ::).
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And kept with blessing of the socialist dictator from Toorak McLachlan, heard him spruking how good the rules were today, that make rules up and direct umpires to the point where the games become a form of basketball with kicking
How do you vote the politician out and appoint a true football administer
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Yes some of the 50s were soft but geez how long is this stupid undisciplined trend gonna be allowed to continue. I don’t know if there is a way to see 50m penalties conceded over the past few seasons but I’d safely bet that we are leading it by some distance. We were always giving away the most free kicks during 2017-2020 but atleast those were for in-game discretions. This arguing with umpire, wrestling with opponent, not giving the ball back garbage needs to be dealt with. Not sure why Dimma hasn’t made it a point to address it, it’s an absolute momentum killer and the players that constantly do it need to be dragged to the bench and given a spray.
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I'd be dropping blokes for this undisciplined crap which players have been getting away with for years.
Starting with Graham this week.
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Last night on On the Couch they showed a replay of the Cameron Zurhaar play on call where he was about 15m forward of where he took the mark and across the boundary in row Z :huh.
https://twitter.com/Donno79/status/1505702322508206083
So it now seems as long as it means an attacking play the umps no longer care about the rules anymore :huh3 :help.
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Goal or no goal?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO1RB86XoAE5Tyz?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1507950554730967049
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Goal!
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Impossible to tell from the two camera angles they showed. The third angle in the left goal post was useless as it wasn't pointing down to where Haynes was. It looks like the ball was marked/touched before the whole ball crossed the goal line but there's no definitive way of knowing.
ps. Did love Dimma's little dig in the presser after the game.
"Adjudication has dropped away a little bit since we last played ... Dissent was glaring [last week] but now you can do this [waves arms]. Not too sure where we're at. Good that it's settled down a bit which is a good result."
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There was so much crap over the weekend that was a 50m last week against us and let go.
Maybe the AFL know it was way ott.
Last week felt like we were the chosen guinea pigs again despite not being the first cab off the rank.
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Has anyone noticed the demons players clearly move off the mark prior to the umpire calling play on yet get away with it every time?
We would get pinged for 50 every time
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Has anyone noticed the demons players clearly move off the mark prior to the umpire calling play on yet get away with it every time?
We would get pinged for 50 every time
I notice the Dees don't stand where the mark is. They stand 5m behind it so they can still move. We did the same against the Giants but then seemed to go back to standing on the mark last week. Standing on the mark just leaves you down a defender. Might as well fall back so you're at least still in the game.
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I am seriously worried about the way the game is going right now. The rules are just so full of loopholes & waivers that the umpires can pay anything they feel like paying & it will still be a correct decision. Conversely, every decision can be seen as an equally wrong decision & the rules will still back you up. :-\
Currently the rules are a double-think nightmare worthy of George Orwell ... :help
I don't blame the umpires entirely, but I do blame the AFL for screwing it up so badly ....
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I am seriously worried about the way the game is going right now. The rules are just so full of loopholes & waivers that the umpires can pay anything they feel like paying & it will still be a correct decision. Conversely, every decision can be seen as an equally wrong decision & the rules will still back you up. :-\
Currently the rules are a double-think nightmare worthy of George Orwell ... :help
I don't blame the umpires entirely, but I do blame the AFL for screwing it up so badly ....
SHocking and Gill have a lot to answer for bringing in idiotic rules by decree that make the game now so bland, limited, repetitive and predictable. It is now mostly bruise free circle work where the only three ways to score are via centre clearances, bad skill error turnovers and roulette wheel frees/50m. Read today where someone described the game now as basketball on grass and it's hard to disagree. Once one team gains possession in their D50 everyone runs down to the other end just like basketball. Teams are flooding back due to the Stand rule and so scoring in most games is kept low. Last night's game was the perfect example of that. Take out Melbourne's 5 goal burst during the 2nd qtr and the rest of the game generated just 9 goals combined :sleep.
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#rebelcompnow :shh
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Stand the mark is giving me the shxts.
If the player fakes a hand ball it should be play on
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The stand rule is the worst rule ever to be introduced to football and it's got to go. Period.
Last night the Demon player on the mark after being told to stand would just move as soon as the player with the ball moved off the mark without the umpire calling play on.
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Last night the Demon player on the mark after being told to stand would just move as soon as the player with the ball moved off the mark without the umpire calling play on.
then it should be 50. Under the stand rule if a player on the mark moves without plat on being called it is a 50 metre penalty
It is a stupid rule that is ruining the game
Just wish the umpires were consistent in applying it >:(
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I have no doubt in my mind they will wait until its an absolute 100% certainty, our club is in full rebuild mode before they will change the rule.
Bookmark it.
Corruption 101 with this mob
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The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
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True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?
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The biggest problem with the stand rule is that it is totally one sided. The player with the ball has all the power, the player on the mark (standing) has nothing.
I don't mind the basic idea of the stand rule, but the rule has to cut both ways.
The 'Stand' directive from the umpire has to apply to both the man on the mark & the player in possession - they should BOTH have to 'stand'. So when a player takes a mark & goes back 10mtrs to take his kick it is then that the umpire should call 'Stand'. Both the player in possession & the man on the mark must now 'Stand'. If either player moves then its either 'play on' or its a 50mtr penalty, depending on who moved first. It would be absolutely cut & dry if 'Stand' was made to cut both ways - its a definite, obvious 50 or its play on, but no ... we have to have this rubbish instead.
Its this imbalance in the rule that people hate so much, plus all Richmond supporters know why it was made this way ... ::)
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True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?
Well no....but the point is the AFL don't like to admit when they get it wrong no matter how many people tell them...:shh
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The biggest problem with the stand rule is that it is totally one sided. The player with the ball has all the power, the player on the mark (standing) has nothing.
I don't mind the basic idea of the stand rule, but the rule has to cut both ways.
The 'Stand' directive from the umpire has to apply to both the man on the mark & the player in possession - they should BOTH have to 'stand'. So when a player takes a mark & goes back 10mtrs to take his kick it is then that the umpire should call 'Stand'. Both the player in possession & the man on the mark must now 'Stand'. If either player moves then its either 'play on' or its a 50mtr penalty, depending on who moved first. It would be absolutely cut & dry if 'Stand' was made to cut both ways - its a definite, obvious 50 or its play on, but no ... we have to have this rubbish instead.
Its this imbalance in the rule that people hate so much, plus all Richmond supporters know why it was made this way ... ::)
It's just a stupid rule period. :shh
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The stand rule makes 0 sense in the context of the game and that should have been enough to prevent it from ever being integrated in the first place. Like what sense does it make that you have to stand there like a witches hat while your opponent fakes or even runs off the mark.
I can think of 100 different rules you could bring in to improve scoring like hey let’s make the defenders play with 1 arm tied behind their backs, that’s sure to make it easier for the forwards to score too.
Lastly has it even been proven that this stupid rule or the also stupid 6-6-6 rule has resulted in a significant increase in scoring per game. Like what’s the avg total score per game in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021 (ignoring 2020 because shorter quarters)?
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True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?
Well no....but the point is the AFL don't like to admit when they get it wrong no matter how many people tell them...:shh
Hawks supporters reckon it was to target them.
The stand rule makes 0 sense in the context of the game and that should have been enough to prevent it from ever being integrated in the first place. Like what sense does it make that you have to stand there like a witches hat while your opponent fakes or even runs off the mark.
I can think of 100 different rules you could bring in to improve scoring like hey let’s make the defenders play with 1 arm tied behind their backs, that’s sure to make it easier for the forwards to score too.
Lastly has it even been proven that this stupid rule or the also stupid 6-6-6 rule has resulted in a significant increase in scoring per game. Like what’s the avg total score per game in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021 (ignoring 2020 because shorter quarters)?
It makes no sense at all - except for when you apply it specifically to two teams; Geelong who are essentially the only team it would benefit in theory and; Richmond who were the primary team it was intended to damage. Hocking actually made this expressly clear after the 2020 GF, as he was frustrated at how the Richmond players defended the mark with their lateral movement.
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So much for the AFL cracking down on those blatantly staging for free kicks ::).
Last week Butler and now Viney last night.
https://twitter.com/ash_gallagher/status/1512037204247420933
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The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
The ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
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Hawkins dead set X 2 push in the backs. No calls.
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Cheating in This game, must a directive
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Hawkins dead set X 2 push in the backs. No calls.
Plus Hawkins was gifted two frees for nothing.
De Koning drops the ball and gets paid holding the man :huh3.
#FreeKickGeelong :thumbsdown.
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3 votes to the umpires, cheats
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The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
The ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
I think we could have deployed that regardless of the ruck rule.
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The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
The ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
I think we could have deployed that regardless of the ruck rule.
That's true but the ruck rule stopped the opposition using a 3rd man up against Grigg.
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Should it have been a push in the back?
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1512405389706358797
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The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
The ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
I think we could have deployed that regardless of the ruck rule.
That's true but the ruck rule stopped the opposition using a 3rd man up against Grigg.
true, but they didn't need to because the opposition ruckman was generally winning it down against him.
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Should it have been a push in the back?
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1512405389706358797
If it was a Richmond game Yes, Geelong players would never do that :scream :scream
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No doubt the umpires will have a directive to fix this up after last night's fiasco and guess which team will cop the raw end of the stick. Guarantee the dogs get several goals from in the back frees tonight, like death and taxes.
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Yep 100% they will target Richmond. Going to be a tough night for us battling umpires against the Umpires pets the Duck and ThrowDogs.
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Should it have been a push in the back?
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1512405389706358797
Yes.
Hawkins knows it too. You can see him looking to the ump
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I've canned them all week but tonight's umpiring was pretty good, no stupid free-kick-of-the-week stuff, just some basics for a change. Plus they didn't get sucked in by the Bullfrog stagers for once ... :cheers
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I've canned them all week but tonight's umpiring was pretty good, no stupid free-kick-of-the-week stuff, just some basics for a change. Plus they didn't get sucked in by the Bullfrog stagers for once ... :cheers
20's head duck on Riewoldt gave me the craps but otherwise I thought they were OK.
Stand rule is terrible fmd.
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Almost made it a whole game without giving away a 50m penalty/infringing the stupid stand rule.
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Got to love the sooking tonight on Fox Footy because we actually got a couple of 50m penalties thanks to the Stand rule.
"Prestia moved first so that should have been play on."
"The umpire called "stand" too quickly. You're meant to get 2-3 seconds to set."
"They were two 50s paid at a crucial time in the match."
:nopity
It's a stupid rule but the media can't blame us for both when we give 50s away and when we receive them :huh3.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQA6pD8aMAA_er4?format=jpg&name=large)
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Why should a fake handball be play on? Another stupid suggestion that makes no sense with respect to the game. Last time I checked, unless you step off your line then there is no reason for play-on to be called. Instead of the media coming up with further idiotic side rules to justify an already stupid rule why don’t they just scrap it all together.
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What happens when a player legitimately goes to handball and changes their mind?
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What happens when a player legitimately goes to handball and changes their mind?
The afl and media seem to think players are robots which can make the correct decision in a split second in a high pressure environment every damn time.
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What a joke.
Teams have been sucking us in for a year. Prestia does it once and the papers have a look
Gagf
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It will be ironic if the only reason the stupid Stand rule gets abolished is because the haters think it's now advantaging us :wallywink.
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Why ‘ridiculous’ punishment is grossly out of whack
Player dissent, wasting time and the stand-rule have seen 50m penalties almost double this season. Does the punishment fit the crime though?
AFL great Kevin Sheedy says 50m penalties are killing the game and is advocating the introduction of a 25m penalty as a matter of urgency.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-news-2022-coaching-great-kevin-sheedy-says-the-game-needs-a-25m-penalty/news-story/276454d14dd4feb5c8a2879e1602172f
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Another rule change, then it will be argued that should have been a 50 instead of a 25, …. :banghead
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50 metre penalty should be only for egregious actions like late bump, tackle and 20 metre penalty introduced for the small incidentals like mouthing off etc.
Stand rule should go completely, it's just rubbish. Honestly, ruining the game.
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Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!
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Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!
Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.
Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.
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Just fo the stand rule
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Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!
Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.
Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.
But a player faking a handball has had plenty of opportunity think his decision through ... and he chose to fake a handball! Play on!
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It is obvious, scrap the stand rule
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Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!
Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.
Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.
But a player faking a handball has had plenty of opportunity think his decision through ... and he chose to fake a handball! Play on!
You keep saying ‘fake’ a handball as in its 100% garaunteed that they are purposefully completing the motion without any intention of getting rid of the ball. How many times do players think giving the ball to a player is the best option initially, only to then see a better option? You can’t just say play on for the sake of it. The player with possession has either marked the ball or received a free kick. It is a dead ball situation from the location marked by the umpire. Unless they step off that line or take longer than 30 seconds there shouldn’t be any call. Again why are we trying to redefine/edit rules that have been around 100 years just to help better govern a 1 year old stupid rule?
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Again why are we trying to redefine/edit rules that have been around 100 years just to help better govern a 1 year old stupid rule?
It's what the AFL stupidly does. Introduce another daft rule to try and 'fix' the mess their previous daft rule has created :thumbsdown.
I think that's why people are hoping for an outsider to replace Gill. Someone with fresh views and ideas who can see how ridiculous the rules are now and how the officiating of the sport is in crisis. The AFL is trying to simply blame abuse for umps dropping off a lower levels. I would argue it's the numerous complicated rules that make umpiring virtually impossible now days. Imagine a job where the bosses kept arbitrarily changing how you did your job without consultation all the time and you copped the blame for it from clients and customers. No wonder people are dropping out of umpiring. The rules need stripping back and simplified back to focussing on the basics.
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I may be remembering incorrectly but didn’t they use to put rule changes to a panel and also let the coaches have input and then trial them in preseason before deciding whether to implement them or not? All of which were bypassed by Hocking for this stupid stand rule?
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It's like watching netball.
Obstruction! Obstruction!
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I may be remembering incorrectly but didn’t they use to put rule changes to a panel and also let the coaches have input and then trial them in preseason before deciding whether to implement them or not? All of which were bypassed by Hocking for this stupid stand rule?
Yep.
In his role SHOCKING could either over ride the rules committee or introduce whatever rule he liked. For memory he was allowed to bring one rule a season bypassing the rules committee. However, whatever rule he put up had to be approved by Gil and the commission. Gil and the commission okayed the stand rule
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The bias towards Brisbane and for Collingwood tonight was unbelievable .
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The bias towards Brisbane and for Collingwood tonight was unbelievable .
I thought Collingwood got away with holding the ball, throwing the ball, in the back, etc etc, then I thought it must be me and went to bed in disgust.
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"Arms out, that's 50."
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1514573143305641986
You put one arm in
You put one arm out
You put the other arm out and you shake it all about
You do the hokey pokey and that's 50
That's what it's now all about :facepalm.
Lions fans are blaming the ump but he didn't introduce these farcical new rules.
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This is why the recent departure of Hocking, and the announcement of Gil departing give the footy public some hope our game will return from the disaster they have created. This appointment is massive for the game. Gil- just leave now :pray
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Damos latest sliding doors article today again praises the stand rule. Honestly I just can’t fathom the endless praise that it gets.
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Unless I'm mistaken it would appear MacRae was just assessed for concussion after ducking his dammed head into a tackle?
F me the AFL needs to sort this crap urgently and the Dogs are the worst offenders of them all. A whole team of bloody Joel Selwoods.
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Umpires in SA tonight can go. Horrendous display of officiating
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Rats leaving a sinking ship after wrecking the game
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A reporter asked Dimma about the 20 differential in free kicks tonight.
Dimma replied he couldn't answer that but asked for the reporter's name and said that the reporter should ask the question of someone and he would hold the reporter to it to see if he makes the phone call.
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When asked his thoughts on Adelaide receiving 20 more free kicks, Hardwick offered a wry smile and played a straight bat.
“I can’t answer that … why don’t you ask the question of someone (at the AFL),” the coach replied.
“I’m going to hold you to that – let’s see if you make the phone call.”
A jubilant Matthew Nicks was surprised to learn of the uneven free kick count.
“I didn’t even know that stat … I was probably complaining as much as if it was the other way,” Nicks said.
“I didn’t realise it was plus-20 … I hope that’s because we were putting our heads over the ball and taking the game on.
“We’ll take it if we can.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-adelaide-crows-tex-walker-damien-hardwick-press-conference-free-kicks-reaction-video/news-story/d84472156c47e586d51615bd67e0969a)
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No it wasn't you putting your head over the ball at all
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The 3 umps need to be investigated for corruption
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I’m sure there has been but I haven’t seen a differential that big
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Way too much in this game can be interpreted and all the numpties can argue the frees were there, thing is it's never I repeat NEVER consistent and always against us.
We truly made the AFL circus hate us
Still love it that we did
but gee this is really turning me off the game FULL STOP!!!
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I’m with you , it’s clearly sanctioned cheating and not just us. What was the 50 for against Harris from Brisbane for again. The game was built on fairness but now it about the egos of umpires and the AFL. Umpires should not be noticed , now they are a participant in the winner of the game. I have trouble watching games sometimes .
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I was watching the Scottish FA Cup semi-final last night and the match commentators on the TV were constantly giving it to the referee for his performance (rightly so too) saying he's having/had an "absolute shocker".
Chalk and cheese compared to the AFL's commentators who said nothing about the lop-sided free kick count and just laughed when those two clear HTBs in our forward line weren't paid to us in the last quarter.
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You might find through the agreement that the AFL won’t accept strong criticising of umpires or the tribunal or even themselves
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You might find through the agreement that the AFL won’t accept strong criticising of umpires or the tribunal or even themselves
I think you qre onto something
Pretty sure the TV broadcasters aren't allowed to go too hard on the umps
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Goes without saying when the league is run by a bunch of communist hypocrites.
This is why I have enjoyed watching hirds old man come out swinging, and sheedy recently about the state of the game.
AFL are out and out cheats.
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You might find through the agreement that the AFL won’t accept strong criticising of umpires or the tribunal or even themselves
Didn’t realise we lived in China?
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The umpiring isn’t the problem, the rules are. The umpires have been handed the impossible task of adjudicating a game that the rules make very difficult to do with any consistency. Personally, I find the game virtually unwatchable and tend to only watch Tigers games now.
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I've never heard so much negativity towards umpiring but it's not just them. This is the afls making.
I didn't watch one game this weekend, not even ours. Used to watch most of them.
I think as supporters the only thing we can do is not go to the games or watch on TV.
I wonder who else feels this way?
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The umpiring isn’t the problem, the rules are. The umpires have been handed the impossible task of adjudicating a game that the rules make very difficult to do with any consistency. Personally, I find the game virtually unwatchable and tend to only watch Tigers games now.
Sorry mate not entirely true IMV. Why are we consistently at the bottom of the ladder of getting stuffed over by then.
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I've never heard so much negativity towards umpiring but it's not just them. This is the afls making.
I didn't watch one game this weekend, not even ours. Used to watch most of them.
I think as supporters the only thing we can do is not go to the games or watch on TV.
I wonder who else feels this way?
I do...i will always watch the Tigers but i have gone from a regular game watcher of other teams to zero. The current game is a disaster thanks to Gil and others ( shocking).
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Have you seen the dive from Hawkins? He should get 2 weeks for staging. AFL 360 flogs will let it pass without discussion :banghead
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Hawkins will get an accomodation for his valiant effort and Sculli will 2 weeks , from the twin brother of the Geelong coach 😁
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Have you seen the dive from Hawkins? He should get 2 weeks for staging. AFL 360 flogs will let it pass without discussion :banghead
That bogan Georgie Parker said Hawkins did a 'Rance'... ::)
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Have you seen the dive from Hawkins? He should get 2 weeks for staging. AFL 360 flogs will let it pass without discussion :banghead
That bogan Georgie Parker said Hawkins did a 'Rance'... ::)
Who? Is that the one that nobody likes?
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"The AFL declined to comment on the free kick count from the game when contacted on Sunday."
Just how bad are Tigers’ free kick numbers?
Richmond received the fewest free kicks of any team last year and the numbers aren’t great to start 2022. See just how bad the figures are.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-all-the-latest-from-the-mro-as-trent-cotchin-fined-for-kicking-taylor-walker/news-story/e3006ef112e78176ea906e3f84d76602
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"Year after year after year, we are stripping away parts of the game that made the game great." - Mark Robinson
‘Just put 18 robots out there’: AFL 360 hosts debate umpire dissent interpretation
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl360/afl-news-2022-umpire-abuse-harris-andrews-tom-hawkins-free-kick-gerard-whateley-vs-mark-robinson-on-fox-footy-afl-360/news-story/80a50cf775f77d3616f5cf8209ea7565
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Making the game incredibly hard to watch
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This bloke umpires at lower levels and has gone through every free kick decision in the Adelaide game.
He found around 12 incorrect decisions of which 10 of them went against us :P.
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A lot of my fellow Tigers weren’t happy with the free kick count on Saturday so let’s go through them. I am a Tiger nuffy and I leapt of the couch a few times but I’m also a 300 + game local field umpire. Let’s break them down systematically in a thread.
In my opinion we finish ✅=44 ❌=12. That’s a 78.5% good call rate. I think minimum standard in 80-85%.
Starts here: https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515851146732048388
Continues here: https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515916659491442691
Incorrect decisions against Richmond
1. Looks like the umpire was going to pay a mark and pings Short 50 for laying a tackle. Doesn’t appear to have gone 15m. A lot to unpack here and I’m not even sure if I’ve got it right. Correct call might be in the back but not a 50?
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515871827750318084
2. Don’t think this is a mark to Himmelberg. Doesn’t have “control”. You can grip the ball in both hands for short time and have “control”. Juggles this all the way to the grass.
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515875542481866752
3. The 50 against Rioli and Vlastuin is contentious. Rioli drops the ball but I don’t believe he does it on purpose or to delay the play. The umpire says “straight away” and I think the two players legitimately give the ball back “straight away”. I think the 50 was harsh.
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515918158640521223
4. Berry should be holding the ball. One cue umpires are asked to look for in 2022 is was the player “settled” and he was so he’s had prior. He then sits on the ball / drags it in so a ❌ and then a ✅
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515919812580417544
5. This should be holding the ball. Has prior. Lynch’s action constitutes a tackle. No legal disposal.
Actually leads to a goal anyway to Baker but this is a miss.
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515924608175599619
6. I’m disagreeing with the ump here. Parker’s only ducking action is to get the ball. He doesn’t then deliberately stay down and drive forward. He doesn’t have an opportunity to get his head back up. I think it should be a free kick to Parker or a ball up at the least.
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515932955142914048
7. I’m paying holding the ball here. Raschelli (sic) doesn’t have prior before he’s tackled but his arms are free and he elects not to handball for a good while. I’ll expect some disagreement but I would pay htb.
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515941276570427401
8. In the spirit of what had been paid all game I think you pay the hold to Tarrant here. Even if it wasn’t paid all day it’s a free kick!
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515944500841000961
9. Two holding the balls not paid here. First obvious. In the second one Keays fends, so must dispose immediately. He has his back to us so there’s a chance that he does a legitimate handball but at the angle the ball drops to the ground it “suggests” no.
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515951751823695873
10. Two Crows “share” a mark.
https://twitter.com/ReeveMcLennan/status/1515950462180028418
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"The AFL declined to comment on the free kick count from the game when contacted on Sunday."
Just how bad are Tigers’ free kick numbers?
Richmond received the fewest free kicks of any team last year and the numbers aren’t great to start 2022. See just how bad the figures are.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-all-the-latest-from-the-mro-as-trent-cotchin-fined-for-kicking-taylor-walker/news-story/e3006ef112e78176ea906e3f84d76602
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQmV6YKaUAA0OZe?format=jpg&name=large)
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Look for the usual AFL overreaction this week :help :facepalm.
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"It's been accepted in the game for far too long."
AFL general manager of football Brad Scott on dissent towards umpires.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745230
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"It's been accepted in the game for far too long."
AFL general manager of football Brad Scott on dissent towards umpires.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745230
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Agree with what Jack said on AFL 360 tonight. Just putting your arms out is no big deal and worst of all this is causing more angst towards umpires not less especially as the public weren't given a heads up.
The AFL powers that be have caused this mess but instead of admitting they are wrong they are once again doubling down and thumbing their nose at the public and players. I'm expecting this weekend to be an absolute farce and it won't be a surprise when it's us who will cop the worst of the ridiculous 50s :help.
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It is no longer our game as it’s become some type of political social engineering department of government instead of the game of the people.
Football is not always the focus, it’s all this crap that is imposed on the general supporter by people who have an agenda that is no the same as the greater majority
I suspect Scott is Hocking mark 2 who is a puppet of the faceless dictators.
Who votes for these dictators anyway?
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It is no longer our game as it’s become some type of political social engineering department of government instead of the game of the people.
Football is not always the focus, it’s all this crap that is imposed on the general supporter by people who have an agenda that is no the same as the greater majority
Great post
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It is no longer our game as it’s become some type of political social engineering department of government instead of the game of the people.
Football is not always the focus, it’s all this crap that is imposed on the general supporter by people who have an agenda that is no the same as the greater majority
Great post
x2 :clapping
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"It's been accepted in the game for far too long."
AFL general manager of football Brad Scott on dissent towards umpires.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745230
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Excellent work MT :whistle
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"It's been accepted in the game for far too long."
AFL general manager of football Brad Scott on dissent towards umpires.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745230
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Excellent work MT :whistle
https://twitter.com/WillSchofield/status/1516689717852794881?s=20&t=4FPAkXlKZWo4yMgolWRo0g
:lol :lol :lol
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Do umpires have a review panel where they go through their game and are advised of their, (how can you say it in a PC manner) decisions??
Maybe the public should be kept in the loop after game reviews.
There could even be an umpiring decision scoring system?? An umpire Brownlow equivalent?? Who knows?
Everyone is tip toeing around the issue because of the abuse filtration to amateur and junior games.
I think umpires at AFL level should be accountable, but not abused.
AFL is a huge betting industry and where money is involved people do get serious and umpires should be judged and reprimanded accordingly ( but not during the game)
Amateur level umpires should be exempt from attack and abuse at all times.
How to police it is the problem.
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Eddie wants 9 umpires per game (including an emergency) that will each remain located at a different part of the ground to officiate.
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"Stop giving them an impossible game to umpire."
Eddie's radical plan to fix the umpiring crisis and revolutionise how the game is officiated.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1516765505654341642
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It is hard enough for 3 umpires to be consistent so 9 would be a nightmare.
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Do umpires have a review panel where they go through their game and are advised of their, (how can you say it in a PC manner) decisions??
Maybe the public should be kept in the loop after game reviews.
There could even be an umpiring decision scoring system?? An umpire Brownlow equivalent?? Who knows?
Everyone is tip toeing around the issue because of the abuse filtration to amateur and junior games.
I think umpires at AFL level should be accountable, but not abused.
AFL is a huge betting industry and where money is involved people do get serious and umpires should be judged and reprimanded accordingly ( but not during the game)
Amateur level umpires should be exempt from attack and abuse at all times.
How to police it is the problem.
Answer to your question is yes.
There is an advisor at each game who writes / reviews as the game. They then do match reviews like clubs do. Pretty sure it happens on a Monday
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So what is descent , an umpire shouldn’t be abused but to kill a right to voice a question seems like a policy that fits well in communist countries. Why remove democracy and learnings through questioning from the game as we should all be accountable for our actions including the AFL’s faceless people and Umpires.
I agree a independent review panel would assist in removing the bias that seems to have infected the umpires decisions as Hocking and Scott are using the umpires to push bias that benefit or disadvantage certain sides
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How about the Player puts their hand up and waits to be called. He than then politely ask his question. - Reminds you of anything?
These changes in the last few years have been a joke. Maybe if they get Benny Gale at the top he could unpick this mess.
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Hardwick says Tigers must learn how to win frees, reduce 50-metre penalties
By Lachlan Abbott
The Age
April 21, 2022
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says the Tigers will speak with umpires to help players improve their ability to “attract free kicks” and said the team also needed to minimise the 50-metre penalties it has conceded.
The Tigers have conceded 17 50-metre penalties after five rounds, while the next-worst teams have only conceded eight.
“We gave away a lot earlier. We’ve been better over the last couple of weeks. It is an area where we certainly have to improve,” Hardwick said.
“The problem is we give away free kicks which the vast majority of are there. What we’ve got to get better at is attracting free kicks. We don’t do that well enough. So we’re going to get clarification on how we can do that better from the umpires.”
The free kick count in Richmond’s 19-point loss against Adelaide was 13-33 against the Tigers, while Hardwick’s side are also ranked last for free kick differential with a -38 disadvantage so far this season.
Hardwick said he hoped the Tigers could learn to draw from frees from contested situations while avoiding winning free kicks for high-tackles by leading with the head due to the standard it set for lower leagues.
“It’s probably just guys holding around stoppage. We probably tend to give away a few and we probably don’t get too many,” he said.
Hardwick also supported the AFL’s crackdown on umpire dissent and said he didn’t “understand what the big deal is”.
“I’m fine with it. I completely understand. I think as an industry we completely understand,” he said.
“They made a great video for us, we showed our players the understanding. So straight away, our players had a good knowledge that as soon as you put your arms out, that was dissent.”
Hardwick said the club had a “really good dialogue with the umpires” regarding free kick decisions and suggested negative reaction to the dissent crackdown was overblown in the media.
“Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill. There’s going to be mistakes in game,” he said.
Leading AFL coaches and captains have largely backed the league’s decision to clamp down on dissent, while some players and commentators have suggested it has gone too far.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hardwick-says-tigers-must-learn-how-to-win-frees-reduce-50-metre-penalties-20220421-p5aezy.html
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First game of the weekend and the "dissent" rule is not surprisingly already a joke thanks to different umpires thinking differently on what they class as "dissent". Ben Long arms out towards one ump and no 50m is paid then a quarter later different ump and another Saint player has one arm out questioning the ball hitting the ground and it's paid 50.
:facepalm
Heaven help us on Sunday night :help.
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And what a surprise the other Scott twin calls everyone who doesn’t like new rules dinosaurs , or was he talking about the majority of players in the Geelong side
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The AFL needs a total review of umpiring. We all know the situation with the lack of umpires at lower levels but watching these games and seeing the errors these guys make and the pressure they are are under would not encourage young people to start umpiring. Maybe instead of adding all the complicate and controversial rules they could take rules out and make it simpler. Just an idea.
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We have been raped tonight
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F
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Third quarter they went after us and gave Dees a leg up
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They free kick to weideman that started their run was outrageous.
Also can anyone explain why they called play on to balta when he took that mark 55-60m out? He could have legitimately kicked that so they should have given him the full 30. Didn’t see him step off his line either.
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We have been raped tonight
That happens every week but the club continually refuses to make an official compliant. About time we grew some stuffen balls and called the maggots out.
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Disgraceful again but let of our issues. We were lucky not to have lost by 100 points in all honesty. Doubled our scoring shots..
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We have been raped tonight
That happens every week but the club continually refuses to make an official compliant. About time we grew some stuffen balls and called the maggots out.
Agree but I'm not sure what channels they can take. We know they can't go though the media and we will never know what happens behind the scenes. For me the best approach would be to come out in the media (press's conference) and say we are going to seek clarification on certain rulings.It would make it public and force the AFL to justify the rulings. Who know, it's a.very tricky one given the AFL practically banning any criticism.
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UNACCOUNTABLE
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Another stellar performance by the umpires last night
One of their best efforts of the year :clapping
We have been raped tonight
Get your angst but I really wish people wouldn't use that term. Believe it or not it is highly offensive
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Dimma was asked post-game about the free kick count:
"Ohhh ... we gave away too many head high stuff. Like inside 50 it was one free kick to us and seven in D50 which takes away the pressure straight away. You know the technique in those situations is poor. We've certainly got to improve on it and get better at it. Cause you'll probably find the vast majority of them were there. We've just got to make sure we eradicate as many of them as we can."
Source: RFC video @ 3 min mark. (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1111057/round-6-hardwick-post-match)
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Stockholm syndrome
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The call I still can’t come to grips with was the play on call against Balta while he was running in to take his kick. It reeked of collusion is the biggest problem!
Balta marks & goes back for a shot, Gawn was allowed to stand in front of the man on the mark but a few (5?) mtrs to the right. The umpire calls play on midway through Balta’s run up for no apparent reason & Gawn just happened to be 3mtrs away when the play on call was made? Come on, give me a break!
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Also can anyone explain why they called play on to balta when he took that mark 55-60m out? He could have legitimately kicked that so they should have given him the full 30. Didn’t see him step off his line either.
Even staunch Demon Garry Lyon said tonight that was ridiculous decision by the ump because everyone knows Balta can kick that far. Balta had lined up too for the shot so it wasn't as though the ump didn't know what Noah was doing.
This would be classed as "dissent" now ::) but Lyon said Balta should had put the ball down by his feet and told the ump to stay out.
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Kane Cornes while complaining about "ticky touchwood" frees against defenders showed 3 soft frees to Melbourne forwards against us.
Go to 1:10 min mark: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1518582372375175168
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Kane Cornes while complaining about "ticky touchwood" frees against defenders showed 3 soft frees to Melbourne forwards against us.
Go to 1:10 min mark: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1518582372375175168
AFL should be ashamed.
Netball is tougher
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it's a forwards game.... unless you're a Richmond forward
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Surprise surprise ...... NOT!
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https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1518517707385499648
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There should be an inquiry as there is clearly bias. There is no consistency and it’s good that people in the media can see it’s a disgrace
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The Umpires will land a season ending knock-out blow to Richmond on Friday night in Perth. It's an absolute certainty and they will rejoice in our demise.
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One of the worst decisions in recent memory - not to pay a clear holding the ball, then pay holding the man - effectively a 100m penalty. Ump could not have got it more wrong #afl360
Graham's tackle on Oliver: https://twitter.com/boweesrant/status/1518491261027893249
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I absolutely agree that was an atrocious decision. It was clearly holding the ball and the fact that the umpire did not award that free wreaks of incompetence. Nank should have made a formal compliant to the Umpire in question at half time. Poor umpiring should not be tolerated.
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Was at the game and lost it when that happened. Haven't lost it 17-20 mostly but losing brings out the worst in me haha
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Win the free kicks by 3 :birthday :santa :cheers :dancing :dancingpickle :spudnikbackflip :dogdance :yo :xmassign :highclap
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Win the free kicks by 3 :birthday :santa :cheers :dancing :dancingpickle :spudnikbackflip :dogdance :yo :xmassign :highclap
:o
We need to frame it as that's as rare as Haley's comet.
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They free kick to weideman that started their run was outrageous.
Also can anyone explain why they called play on to balta when he took that mark 55-60m out? He could have legitimately kicked that so they should have given him the full 30. Didn’t see him step off his line either.
Robbie Gray was given the full 30 secs last night despite being 60 out with a heavy wet ball and he can't kick that far anyway. As usual the umpiring is consistently inconsistent.
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I don't know what it looked like on the TV but the first half today was some of the most biased crappiest umpiring I've ever seen :thumbsdown. Once again it was mostly the missed frees that we should have got. Collingwood players repeatedly getting away with one hand "handballs" and dropping the ball in the tackle while we got pinged. Apparently Richmond players don't have backs which can be pushed either. As for that laughable "free" against Dusty that cost us a goal :facepalm.
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Plenty wrong today going both ways but I felt Pies got the rub of the green.
So many throws and a few holds ignored.
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Stand!
:sleep
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Free kick against Dusty touching in the side was a disgrace.
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:thumbsdown
Revealed: Winners and losers on AFL free kick ladder
HeraldSun
12 May 2022
An analysis of the most and least disciplined clubs and players in the competition has revealed Richmond has received fewer free kicks than any team in the league.
HTM - Holding the Man
HT - High Tackle
HTB - Holding the Ball
Free kicks for:
Club HTM Push HT HTB
Adelaide 45 24 55 29
Brisbane 44 18 46 37
Carlton 58 28 33 43
Collingwood 44 22 44 45
Essendon 45 21 29 44
Fremantle 27 26 46 44
Geelong 32 23 39 37
Gold Coast 36 18 49 25
GWS Giants 41 26 36 38
Hawthorn 36 32 30 34
Melbourne 36 18 46 41
North Melbourne 43 30 50 39
Port Adelaide 44 17 38 35
Richmond 46 27 28 28
St Kilda 38 23 35 49
Sydney Swans 32 20 44 37
West Coast 32 20 35 31
W.Bulldogs 42 36 49 34
Free kicks against:
Club HTM Push HT HTB
Adelaide 45 28 34 43
Brisbane 46 24 36 35
Carlton 38 27 38 27
Collingwood 38 19 38 27
Essendon 36 18 43 32
Fremantle 47 23 41 44
Geelong 35 32 48 32
Gold Coast 35 25 42 40
GWS Giants 38 28 43 35
Hawthorn 32 16 47 45
Melbourne 34 27 33 34
North Melbourne 39 18 47 39
Port Adelaide 47 26 37 25
Richmond 43 28 50 39
St Kilda 41 26 34 36
Sydney 43 26 47 53
West Coast 40 25 39 47
W.Bulldogs 44 13 35 37
https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-champion-data-breaks-down-which-teams-and-players-have-been-paid-the-most-and-least-free-kicks-this-year/news-story/fc4c4bede960cffe8c94691dce2cddbe
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Did their best to give the Hawks a shot
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In the first half the umps were wearing brown and gold. Razor Ray especially had to be the centre of attention. Once again it was the frees we didn't get that were the issue - high tackles & spoils especially. Lynch copped 50 for "dissent" because he couldn't believe he didn't get a free for being whacked across the head. The frees were even in the second half so it wasn't as bad although the umpiring standard was still poor. They missed 3 blatant HTBs in the 3rd qtr.
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Another stellar performance
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Another cheatfest today. Disgusting incompetence
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Ray is just terrible as is no. 6
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https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1525800950644219904
:thumbsdown
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https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1525800950644219904
:thumbsdown
Minus 61 lol 40 more then the team in second last place mind blowing no near we a that bad.
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If you listen to the other supporters apparently it should be even worse because we play a dirty, scragging style of footy haha
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It’s cheating, it’s got to organised cheating as it’s bias by the majority. Is it a directive from the social engineering AFL
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It’s very strange,
My observations are :
A) it seems they either give a lot of frees against us early game, then when it is obvious we are going to win they even it out
Or
B) They give us frees early on, then give frees against us
to try to make us lose
I try not to be one eyed but FMD, a guide dog would be howling all night for what blind Freddy cannot see!!
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The umpires don't even bother to even it up, that's why we are 61 free kicks in the hole after 9 rounds this year!
By the end of the season we could be around 150 odd free kicks down! How good does that look? :gobdrop
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If you add up all the other teams in the red you’d get -80 which would be closer to our total then the next worst team….
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The one thing Dimma should have a strong opinion on and radio bloody silence as usual. Happy to put his foot in his mouth about everything else but not this issue.
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We will be victimised and fined if Richmond officially criticise the AFL dictatorship in any way. This is no longer our game but the game of the elite and media clowns and is a dictatorship.
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We will be victimised and fined if Richmond officially criticise the AFL dictatorship in any way. This is no longer our game but the game of the elite and media clowns and is a dictatorship.
Sadly this is true :clapping
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Wish we got the run Carlton is currently getting tonight.
Swans will be super human if they win this.
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Wish we got the run Carlton is currently getting tonight.
Swans will be super human if they win this.
20 frees to Carlton in the first half ::).
It's this sort of crap where a player (Weitering) just drops the ball in the tackle and then gets a free for holding the man :facepalm that is wrong with the rules and game now. Should be illegal disposal every day of the week instead.
https://twitter.com/Buckets82/status/1527606410854289408
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Once again we are getting screwed by the umps. Especially from #4. We Blatant frees to us not paid that Essendon are getting >:( :thumbsdown
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I have no words for the display tonight.
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
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I have no words for the display tonight.
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
👍🏿
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I have no words for the display tonight.
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
totally agree. Absolutely horrible
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I am lost for words disgusted by tonight's example of cheating.
Hobbs goal, that crap ruckman of there's and another all off the most peeweak non-existent frees.
Then the disallowed goals our way. Bolton, Dusty, Tarrant.
And they wonder why people stuffing hate them? AFL needs to get their act together. The game is stuffed and the spectacle is long dead. Utter trash to watch.
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I have no words for the display tonight.
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
Totally agree
Nank bear hugged in the ruck not paid then next ball up free to the Essendon ruck which gifts them a goal.
Tarrant arm chop not paid.
Bomber players moving on the mark no 50.
Draper drops the ball in our goalsquare no HTB.
Absolute disgrace tonight! :banghead
#cheats
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Tarrant arm chop not paid.
Just seconds before this Essendon get the softest arm chop free you'll ever see.
Also, Laverde just ducking straight into Aarts, gets a free, then remonstrates with Aarts for some reason :huh
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The game is almost dead thanks to Gill and Scott….. add Hocking :banghead
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I lived through the richo era and countless wooden spoons but the game is broken and outside of tiger games i cant watch many others, if any at all.
I dont even know how these umpires can look them self in the mirror and call themselves professional.
Some of the calls tonight, or lack of calls were borderline cheating.
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Bomber supporters near me were actually laughing at the ridiculous inconsistencies. One said it’s keeping them in it.
The game is really frustrating to watch. The stand rule is stupid and is ruining the game.
I’m probably a minority but the prior opportunity rule was the worst rule ever implemented because it’s made the umpires job harder.
An umpire is asking too many questions when a player gains possession which makes it too grey.
Take prior opportunity out of the equation and the umpire is asking one question. Has he disposed of the ball correctly? This black and white judgment worked for over 100 years without any issues.
I’m not sure the crowd found this game very entertaining the inconsistencies were blatant and it brought the whole standard of the game down.
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I have no words for the display tonight.
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
Totally agree
Nank bear hugged in the ruck not paid then next ball up free to the Essendon ruck which gifts them a goal.
Tarrant arm chop not paid.
Bomber players moving on the mark no 50.
Draper drops the ball in our goalsquare no HTB.
Absolute disgrace tonight! :banghead
#cheats
add Tarrant disallowed goal because Lynch was shepherding which happens about 20 times a game.
Didn’t Jack give away a 50 metres because he was grabbed high and was lying on the ground unaware of where they play was?
The 50 against Grimes in the 2nd for what reason? there was no other Richmond player near that protected area?
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We can blame the people who are ruining this great game for the horrendous state of umpiring. I feel for the umps.
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We can blame the people who are ruining this great game for the horrendous state of umpiring. I feel for the umps.
It was another stellar performance by the umps last night
But gee I feel for them. SHocking and Scott with the blessing of Gil and the Commission have made the game so hard to umpire the poor buggers haven't got a hope
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Trying to win fans back by giving free tickets to kids please the hypocrisy of the afl never seen a game in the world so poorly umpired and so much inconsistencies Scott has become one of them now.
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The Grimes tackle......what a joke that was
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The Grimes tackle......what a joke that was
The other one they called a dangerous tackle was horrendous too
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Quickly making the most watchable game a chore to watch
Congrats ya Aholes
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I’d be dirty if I was Hawthorn , oh wait an even up- cheats. Is bitter Dan Richardson still in charge of the umpires. It become a disgrace
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Chanel 7 never call it out, an appalling news outlet. I wish 9 ( without Eddie) got the footy back.
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Umpire No.13 was biased towards Essendon and gave 5 free kicks in their F50.
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Robbo: AFL has gone woke on ‘dangerous’ tackles
The AFL needs to wake up to itself, with tackle and dissent decisions becoming embarrassing. Has the crackdown gone too far?
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-10/news-story/472624da8001d56b2ecbd120ba67a63e
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Umpire No.13 was biased towards Essendon and gave 5 free kicks in their F50.
He looks like a real metrosexual. Probably dating Darcy Parish
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Umpire No.13 was biased towards Essendon and gave 5 free kicks in their F50.
He looks like a real metrosexual. Probably dating Darcy Parish
:lol :lol :lol
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The man hanging out the man about town
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/22/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-10/
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It's because we play a scragging style haha
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KING PLEADS WITH UMPIRES AND AFL POWERBROKERS TO “HAVE SOME TOLERANCE”
Seb Mottram
SEN
23 May 2022
David King has called for more tolerance from the AFL umpires after another weekend of high free kick counts.
It follows calls from AFL greats Kane Cornes and Adam Cooney that free kicks are turning fans away from the game, with faith in the umpires seemingly falling to an all-time low.
King was strong on the fact that he does not blame the umpires, more so those above them, but believes the officiators need to have more tolerance to allow the game to “flow”.
“Confusion is the core of it. We’re assessing every contest within an inch of its life,” King began on SEN’s Whateley.
“The whistle doesn’t need to blow that regularly, that’s the core of the problem.
“If you can just withstand a little bit of tolerance the game flows, the game moves on, the game has lost flow because the bloody whistle keeps getting blown.
“It was a disaster yesterday (Sunday).
“Of the nine games I watched this week, there was more whistle-blowing this week than I’ve heard for a long time.
“But in 50/50 (calls), they’ve gone towards (the notion to) absolutely make a decision.
“Have some tolerance, let the game flow. The players will sort it out, I think we’ve just gone too far with being over officious.
“That’s something we can change.”
Crowds are down in 2022, a fact that can be put down to numerous causes including COVID and ticketing complications.
However, umpiring is another that has been blamed in recent weeks, and King agreed that it was a factor.
The North Melbourne champion recalled a situation involving Chad Warner in Sydney’s clash with Carlton on Friday night in stating how mistakes are getting compounded by the umpires and turning fans away.
“The fans are angry, and in the end, it’s their game. The media can say what they like… but our opinion has no more weight than the fan, and they are talking, they’re talking by not going to the footy,” he continued.
“It’s a factor (in smaller crowds).
“It’s not the mistake, it’s a secondary mistake. Chad Warner bounces the ball, runs eight metres and the umpire calls too far.
“Already there’s anger… so that’s one umpiring error that becomes a 50-metre penalty and a goal off the back of the umpire making one error, compounding into two errors and a goal.”
King continued: “That is not our game… I’m angry about it because I want our game back.
“I love footy, but this is annoying me.
“I’m not into umpire bashing, I’m not. They’ve got the toughest job in the caper.
“I don’t think they’re getting any favours from above is my point.
“If it’s on a knife’s edge, I think they’re blowing the whistle more than ever.
“I just want the game to be decided by the players, get some flow back in the game.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/23/king-pleads-with-umpires-and-afl-powerbrokers-to-have-some-tolerance/
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Hear hear Kingy
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if everyone said enough is enough and boycotted a round then we will see them groveling back.
What did everyone expect to happen when scott replaced shocking?
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Gees, David King actually said something worthwhile! Yep, the rampant whistle blowing is getting too much, nailed it there. If the umpire thinks he sees an infringement they just need to wait for a second or two before going for the whistle - problem solved! The team who may have been infringed upon can win possession & the game can go on if the umpires learn to wait, instead of frantically blowing the whistle & interfering in every contest. Stop stopping the flow of the game & most people are going to be happy, or at least happier, with the umpiring! It is that simple!
Also, bin the video replays before we all lose it! Let the umpire make a decision, rightly or wrongly, & get on with the game! The Dusty ‘hit the post’ decision was just torturous! The AFL owes football supporters 2 minutes of life that was stolen from them while they decided that they couldn’t make a decision! The decision was already made when the goal umpire believed the ball had hit the post, the next two minutes was just ridiculous considering that the decision had already been made! :huh
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if everyone said enough is enough and boycotted a round then we will see them groveling back.
What did everyone expect to happen when scott replaced shocking?
I expected nothing to happen but it’s actually gotten worse. A lot worse
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“GONE TOO FAR”: AFL GREAT MATTHEW RICHARDSON SLAMS CURRENT STATE OF RULE INTERPRETATIONS
By Laurence Rosen
SEN
26 May 2022
Richmond legend Matthew Richardson has voiced his displeasure at the current state of AFL rules.
Following a weekend where several games were in the spotlight for perceived excessive free kick counts, Melbourne coach Simon Goodwin launched a stringent defence of the game’s officials at his weekly press conference on Wednesday.
"I'm a bit disappointed this week that we get to a situation where everyone's now in a position where we're going to be quite negative towards the umpires," Goodwin said.
"We have to be quite careful as an industry that we don't go down that path and we continue to respect and want our young people to get into umpiring."
After hearing Goodwin’s comments, Richardson slammed the current station of the game’s rules, saying the stand rule and dissent interpretation had evolved into “something ridiculous”.
“I feel like most people aren’t negative about umpires,” he said on Sportsday.
“A lot of people are at pains to say this isn’t about the umpires, it’s about the rules they are being forced to interpret. It’s not the umpires - they’re doing the job they have to do. It’s a totally different situation that a lot of people are talking about.
“A lot of these rules aren’t working. There are too many 50m penalties and too many silly little rules, this dissent rule has gone too far and gone the way it wasn’t meant to go.
“I don’t like the stand rule, the protected rule is OK…these rules come in and then evolve. The dangerous tackle was brought in for a very good reason, but it has now evolved into something ridiculous.
“These rules evolve into something they’re not meant to be.”
Several experienced umpires are currently missing from the game due to injury and illness, thrusting more junior field umpires into the spotlight.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/25/gone-too-far-afl-great-slams-current-state-of-afl-rule-interpretations/
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The worst weekend across all games for umpires in a long time and the silence from Brad Scott was deafening
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Almost makes me want Gale to get the job.
Hope he could fix this bollocks.
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AFL Football Department appoints General Manager Umpiring
The AFL is pleased to announce that Lisa Lawry has been appointed to the newly created position of General Manager Umpiring within the Football Operations Department.
The position of General Manager Umpiring elevates and creates a standalone umpiring function within the AFL football operations department, whose core focus is on the performance, growth and development of umpires across the AFL, AFLW, State and NAB League competitions.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/768093/afl-football-department-appoints-general-manager-umpiring
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Richie is right, it not completely the umpires fault, it the clowns who made all these stupid rules up in the first place
Why complicate a game for no other reason than to manipulate an outcome. Its not the supporters game anymore , it’s run by social engineers who have made it a poorer spectacle .
Umpires could be forgiven if they were consistent and unbiased
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60 free kicks. My word.
Umps got the last decision wrong, it's 50 every time we lick it after the whistle regardless of 80k in attendance. Be consistent. It wouldn't have changed result Dion is an average set shot for goal.
The non holding the ball vs McCartin who dived on ball and went to sleep with a minute left.
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/22/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-10/
:thumbsdown
Can we get these 50’s back now? :rollin
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Surely we have the right to ask why the Umpire on the spot was overruled by someone upstairs? He clearly referred to the ear piece to ask. He even said 50 metre penaltie.
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Surely we have the right to ask why the Umpire on the spot was overruled by someone upstairs? He clearly referred to the ear piece to ask. He even said 50 metre penaltie.
He was not over ruled by someone upstairs
He was over ruled by Matt Stevic :banghead
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Surely we have the right to ask why the Umpire on the spot was overruled by someone upstairs? He clearly referred to the ear piece to ask. He even said 50 metre penaltie.
This frustrated me too as it went against us.
But they do, do this. With out on the full calls, even collaborating with boundary umpires. What I didn't like was the inconsistency of the decision. Didn't hear the whistle, where was that for Bolton last week?
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Callum Mills on @FOXFOOTY: ‘Ramps said it’s going to be 50 and I started going ‘oh no’ - but the reality is it was nice that it wasn’t a 50’
https://twitter.com/al_superfooty/status/1530173734019280897
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60 free kicks tonight.
This is the problem. Stevic is a blatant cheat
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Surely we have the right to ask why the Umpire on the spot was overruled by someone upstairs? He clearly referred to the ear piece to ask. He even said 50 metre penaltie.
This frustrated me too as it went against us.
But they do, do this. With out on the full calls, even collaborating with boundary umpires. What I didn't like was the inconsistency of the decision. Didn't hear the whistle, where was that for Bolton last week?
Dusty too
We’ve had a few this season.
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Rounds 1-10: "We're going to be strict" .... "no excuses, you know the rules"
Round 11: "Using some commonsense he didn't know so it's not 50"
As usual there's no consistency. Just making it up as they go ::)
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For the record, something like that shouldn't be 50 but I didn't write and introduce these stupid new rules and claim they were to be strictly applied no matter what. Either you apply these stupid rules consistently or scrap them.
What should have been paid was a HTB free against McCartin for going to ground on the ball 15m out from our goal. He made no attempt to release it yet no free. Gutless ump!
Worst call of the night was that "prohibitive contact" BS call against Dan Rioli. That lead to a Swans goal. What a joke that was!
Reid's free in the first quarter was soft as but technically there was a millisecond 'tug' of the back of Reid's jumper. Daisy Pearce though thought there was "nothing in the free kick". Brayshaw exclaimed "sheesh!" so he didn't there was anything in it either.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1530127487635554304
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The Rioli "prohibitive contact" is even worse on replay. That happens 100 times in every game.
https://twitter.com/james_cockman/status/1530187090826502145
No wonder crowds are down with this rubbish umpiring ::).
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The Baker non in the back in the last minutes before it went out of bounds. :rollin :help
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Umpires suck but I actually think we got a reasonable run at it this week. A lot of free kicks that we wouldn’t get most weeks.
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The Rioli "prohibitive contact" is even worse on replay. That happens 100 times in every game.
https://twitter.com/james_cockman/status/1530187090826502145
No wonder crowds are down with this rubbish umpiring ::).
Yet when Prestia should be awarded a 50...
...nah use ya common sense there.
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You get a 50m penalty now for shaking your head at an umpire... but booting it out of the ground after a few kick is played needs to have 'common sense' applied #AFLSwansTigers
The Brad Scott legacy is almost complete.
https://twitter.com/the_outraged/status/1530169121291538432
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"A controversial 50-metre penalty late in the contest gave the Demons the sniff they needed, when Brad Close – on centre wing – punched the ball into the empty stands while it was already out of bounds. The entry inside-50 from Jake Lever resulted in Gawn marking straight in front."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dees-snatch-minor-premiership-at-the-death-in-thrilling-win-over-cats-20210821-p58ks5.html
#RulesForSomeNotAll
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"A controversial 50-metre penalty late in the contest gave the Demons the sniff they needed, when Brad Close – on centre wing – punched the ball into the empty stands while it was already out of bounds. The entry inside-50 from Jake Lever resulted in Gawn marking straight in front."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dees-snatch-minor-premiership-at-the-death-in-thrilling-win-over-cats-20210821-p58ks5.html
#RulesForSomeNotAll
Siren hadn't gone.
Not that I don't agree. Technically it should have been 50.
I don't mind that they used their common sense - just wish they'd do it all the time (see Rioli prohibited contact lol wtf).
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Ump really shouldn’t have said “he couldn’t have heard the whistle” because that just opens him up to criticism because that’s not usually an acceptable excuse not to pay 50. Buttttt he’s probably right in that the sound of the siren blaring prob meant he didn’t hear the whistle and also the imo blows their whistle at the end of the game anyway so even if he heard it might have just assumed it was the one to signal the end of the game. I guess what I’m trying to say is trying to think rationally rather than interpreting the crappy confusing rule book, doesnt seem that a 50 is warranted in that situation.
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"A controversial 50-metre penalty late in the contest gave the Demons the sniff they needed, when Brad Close – on centre wing – punched the ball into the empty stands while it was already out of bounds. The entry inside-50 from Jake Lever resulted in Gawn marking straight in front."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dees-snatch-minor-premiership-at-the-death-in-thrilling-win-over-cats-20210821-p58ks5.html
#RulesForSomeNotAll
Siren hadn't gone.
Not that I don't agree. Technically it should have been 50.
I don't mind that they used their common sense - just wish they'd do it all the time (see Rioli prohibited contact lol wtf).
I agree the umps should be allowed to use commonsense and I could accept the decision if "not hearing the whistle" was regularly applied (it isn't though as Bolton found out last week). We've been told the umps will apply these stupid rules strictly and there will no excuses such as not hearing the whistle. The time of the game is irrelevant. The siren isn't technically the end of a game if there's a free just before it and the kick will be taken afterwards. It was Prestia's free so technically it wasn't the end of the game until he took his kick.
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19.2 (e) says it should have been 50.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTxLbj8VEAA-WI2?format=png&name=large)
https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2022/03/28/6d92ed7c-efc2-44dc-86bc-9fa1d9b338ad/2022-Laws-of-the-Game-Booklet.pdf
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The game is being run by clowns in circus everyweek controversy umpires pay one thing next minute they don't.
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50m penalty or not? Swan NOT penalised for act on siren, sealing Tigers’ loss
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
May 28th, 2022
One of the best AFL games of 2022 yet has finished in chaotic and controversial circumstances after an umpire decision to not hand Swan Chad Warner a 50m penalty left Tigers players flabbergasted and divided a fired-up footy world.
With Sydney leading Richmond by six points in the dying seconds of Friday night’s game, Tigers star Dion Prestia was awarded a free kick after being held at a stoppage on the wing.
But it appeared Warner didn’t hear the umpire’s whistle, as it came less than one second before the final siren sounded.
The circumstances meant a jubilant Warner, who was one of the best players on the ground, kicked the ball high into the SCG grandstand.
It prompted pleas from Richmond players and the commentary box for a 50m penalty.
“He’s kicked the ball over the fence it should be 50!” Channel 7 commentator Brian Taylor said
“There’s no excuses that he doesn’t know.”
As players watched on, a conversation between the umpires then took place on the field.
Umpire John Howorth appeared to seek clarity from colleague Brendan Hosking, via the umpire mic system, about the location of the free kick and, crucially, whether a 50m penalty should be paid.
Howorth asked: “He kicked the ball into the crowd after the free kick … 50m I think?”
However both Hosking and nine-time Grand Final umpire Matt Stevic were then heard over the umpire mics saying “nah, nah”. One of them said: “He (Warner) couldn’t hear the whistle.”
Howorth replied: “That’s why I’m asking the question. Are we happy with that?”
Howorth then approached Prestia and explained to him why he would have to take his kick from between wing and half-forward and not be advanced 50m.
“He couldn’t have heard the free kick. It’s just common sense, OK?” Howorth said.
Prestia’s kick, inevitably, landed well short of goal and the Swans hung on to win by six points.
Coincidentally, it was Warner who marked the ball from Prestia’s kick and ensured there was no impossible, fluky bounce through for a Richmond goal.
Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph told Fox Footy it “might’ve been the most chaotic 20 seconds of the season so far”.
Richmond superstars Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt were both seen having passionate conversations with umpires post-match.
Warner told Channel 7 after the match he “obviously didn’t know it was a free kick”, adding: “Otherwise I wouldn’t have done that.”
Both coaches opted not to pass judgment on the non-call post-match.
Asked if he’d had time to break down the chain of events around the final siren, Richmond’s Damien Hardwick told reporters: “I haven’t. That’s not my job. There’s people on the ground that make those decisions.
“We’re probably the same as everyone else, we weren’t quite sure how it was going to unfold. So I’ll leave that up to you guys to find out and figure out.
“It’s irrelevant (what I think should’ve happened) … We can look at that last incident, but the fact of the matter is we were up by 30 points. It’s easy to look at the last play, but we should’ve iced the game.”
Asked to comment on the incident, Swans coach John Longmire told reporters: “I don’t know. I heard there was a holding free kick paid at the same time as the siren, so I don’t know what happened. You’d probably have to ask someone else, but that’s what I heard.”
Swans star Callum Mills told Fox Footy post-game: “‘Ramps’ (Dane Rampe) said it was going to be 50 and I started going, ‘Oh no’. The reality was it was nice that it wasn’t a 50.”
The incident divided opinion among the AFL world.
Melbourne champion Garry Lyon told Fox Footy post-match “technically the 50 was there”, but triple premiership Lion Jonathan Brown said umpires were not “as strict as they used to be when a player kicks the ball clear”.
“Going by the trend in the way they umpire when players do kick the ball away after a whistle, they normally don’t pay a 50m penalty,” Brown told Fox Footy.
Many fans and commentators thought a 50m penalty should’ve been paid.
“He’s kicked a ball away and at the moment the free kick was paid, the game was still live,” triple All-Australian Nick Dal Santo told Fox Footy Live. “The kick was after the siren, but the moment of the free kick was paid before (the siren).
“So whether he thinks it was his (free kick) or not, if that is in any other moment of the game, (it’s a free kick).
“I love that it was a common sense call, but we don’t live in common sense. It’s not happening enough.”
“Common Sense” isn’t a legitimate call for the umpires. Sorry.
Lol!!!! All of those who say the 50mt penalty doesn’t influence games!!!! Exhibit A!! FOREVER!!! #ItsAMess
Given all the ridiculous pointless 50s given this season, I’m surprised that wasn’t one.
“It’s common sense” according to umpires.
Brain melts after the siren are a Swans specialty. Rampe climbing the post, Warner booting the ball away.
50m penalty every other time in the game #AFLSwansTigers
Weird time to start introducing 'common sense' into umpiring.
Common sense = Obviously Warner didn't hear the umpire blow the whistle
Precedent = That has never mattered before
That's 50. They pay 50m penalties when players kick the ball away in other situations when the crowd is loud. Why not now? Same circumstance.
Generally swerve umpire chat because it almost never has an impact on a result but lol the green lads have bottled that one pretty hard
Wow that’s gonna cause some issues. ‘He didn’t know’ is not a valid reason for punting the footy into the stands.
That’s a disgrace.
You can’t pick and choose when the rules apply.
So kicking the ball into the stands after a fk awarded is ok these days? It’s either that or alternatively not knowing it’s a fk paid and kicking ball away is now an excuse and not 50. Either way it’s a mistake and the rule is still up for debate and interpretation.
Such a great game. Disappointing ends with an umpiring controversy. I'm all for umps making the call but not smart from Warner. Bloody lucky to get away with it.
Ralph added: “It’s not really up to the umpire to decide the frame of mind of a player who boots that ball away. I think it’s up to him to make a really strict interpretation.
“Of course there’s going to be some discretion there. All I’d say is if that’s in any other part of the field and with time on the clock at any other stage of a quarter, that’s a 50m penalty.
“Look it probably would’ve been the gutsiest call of the season.”
Others thought it was the right call.
“We’ve been asking umpires to use common sense for years. Technically that was a 50m penalty, but the umpire used common sense – and I don’t believe it should’ve been a 50m penalty,” triple premiership forward Cameron Mooney told Fox Footy Live.
“I think the umpire made the right decision.”
Seven-time All-Australian Nathan Buckley lauded the whistleblowers for showing “common-sense umpiring”.
“I thought that was well-adjudicated. Took the time, communicating through the mics and earpieces and came to the right conclusion,” Buckley told Fox Footy.
Correct call from the umpire, common sense prevails
I might be in the minority, but I think that was good, commonsense umpiring.
Good non 50 metre penalty. Umpires used common sense in a game with 60 free kicks and used some rational decision making at the death. Terrific game.
From the vision Cotchin doesn’t even know Prestia has got a free kick so why would Warner know as well. Common sense.
anyone who genuinely thinks a 50m penalty should have been paid at the end there must be real fun at parties
go join the police force if you reckon that's 50m, seriously. there's a spot for you
I think that was the common sense outcome.
It should only be a 50 metre penalty if Warner did it deliberately.
He didn’t.
I think the context, the siren, is important if you are going to award a 50.
Umpires often smashed for lacking a feel for the game. I reckon their feel for the game was spot on with that final decision. Right call
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/sydney-swans/afl-news-2022-sydney-swans-defeat-richmond-tigers-no-50m-penalty-against-chad-warner-for-kicking-ball-into-scg-crowd-rule-reaction/news-story/df260cd130918b0a3336bb3023538cb0
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This bloke on twitter assesses the umpires' performance and some key decisions every week. Here's his thoughts:
He's kicked the ball away after a FK to Richmond. That should be 50!
https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1530167409029808129
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This is getting to the point where fans must demand change. The only action is to boycott games completely.
I will not watch another non Richmond game all year
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Richmond should get an independent review to confirm if it’s bias or our players culture. It’s costing us games and supporter sanity.
Ps : Human error, has never stoped the umpires paying 50’s against us. That was just cheating
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That won’t do much. Only thing that will is to boycott a game.
Hopefully someone starts a page somewhere and it gains traction, as this is utter garbage what going on.
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Fans should pick a round and no one goes to a game.
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The problem for Richmond is if we ever cross the line we get pinged. Others don't so it's just not fair. You can be guaranteed one thing for sure. If that was a Richmond player kicking that ball over the fence last night it would have been a 50 metre penalty. Stevic would have done us over.... I am just getting so disgruntled by it all and I am losing interest like many many other people. I am annoyed that the club has not been vocal about the bias. Jack Riewoldt was held and blocked in so many contests last night and did not get one free. I am over it so Horse racing and Golf for me...
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This is what I posted on Twitter 👇
"Common sense? Interesting. @AFL Did I miss the memo about umpires being allowed to use "common sense" when applying the rules? So far in 2022 common sense isn't applicable to the stand rule, dissent rule, not giving the ball back correctly. Want me to go on? Can't pick & chose 😡"
I also posted that last week with 70k people at the MCG a 50 metre was paid against Bolton for playing on after a free was given against Riewoldt. With 70k screaming fans there's a bloody good chance Bolton didn't hear the whistle either but he certainly wasn't afford the "'use of common sense"
The game is officially stuffed
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All of a sudden it's "common sense" and ok to bend the rules, how twee. We can fondly re watch all the games in which we were ridden bare back by such considerate and understanding umpires.
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Well what a surprise NOT!
The AFL have said the umpires made the correct call
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/28/afl-says-umpire-made-right-call-in-dramatic-friday-night-ending/
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What really bogs me off is that the controlling umpire wanted to pay the 50 against the Swans when they kicked the ball into the crowd, only for the earpiece to swoop in & over-rule the field umpire! Suddenly the AFL invented a whole new umpire (one that we can't see or even talk to) when it was needed!
Had the earpiece umpire not intervened Prestia would've had a shot after the siren to draw the game ...
As if we needed ANOTHER umpire calling it against us! We got out-umpired 4 - 0! :banghead
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This is what I posted on Twitter 👇
"Common sense? Interesting. @AFL Did I miss the memo about umpires being allowed to use "common sense" when applying the rules? So far in 2022 common sense isn't applicable to the stand rule, dissent rule, not giving the ball back correctly. Want me to go on? Can't pick & chose 😡"
I also posted that last week with 70k people at the MCG a 50 metre was paid against Bolton for playing on after a free was given against Riewoldt. With 70k screaming fans there's a bloody good chance Bolton didn't hear the whistle either but he certainly wasn't afford the "'use of common sense"
The game is officially stuffed
This. I would like to know what Benny and Peggy are saying to the afl behind closed doors, and if Benny is compromised given he wants the afl job.
I cannot remember a time in my life where the afl have stated common sense as a reason, ahead of the actual stuffin rule.
Am I alone here or has there been a precedent before?
I can guarantee you if it went the other way they would have said “as per afl rules it was the right decision”
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At half time last night I was thinking to myself , we have had the better of the umpiring so far what’s the bet they even this up. Sure enough there was one free in it at the end. Now when a schmuk like me can predict this , there’s something really wrong with our game
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/unpaid-50m-penalty-controversy-how-the-final-minute-of-mayhem-unfolded-in-swanstigers-wrestle/news-story/311e87465744047f18d55fadb7880f9b
Excellent piece Sam. The AFL make me sick.
“For the avoidance of doubt, if immediately before hearing the siren to end a quarter, a field umpire is of the opinion that a Player should be awarded a free kick or a mark, the field umpire shall signal that play has come to an end and then award the free kick or mark to the player.”
There is no rule 10.5 c) common sense rule.
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Well what a surprise NOT!
The AFL have said the umpires made the correct call
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/28/afl-says-umpire-made-right-call-in-dramatic-friday-night-ending/
Yet in a different game when there was a free to Essendon on the wing as the siren went, a Freo player copped 50m for dropping the ball and not giving it back AFTER the siren ::).
The AFL just makes it up as they go along :thumbsdown. Yeah these reviews are so independent. The AFL deciding if the AFL is right or wrong ::).
I'll post the Essendon vs Freo clip when I find it again.
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Unless you measure and show inconsistency how do you present a case. It’s either our fault or the umpires or a bit of both is why we get the rough end of the stick.
If they went to the AFL or media without facts it will look like we are Moaners
To boycott a Richmond home game will hurt the club not the AFL so if that’s the plan make it an away game, might get a better result protesting out the front of the AFL
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Here it is. The Freo player gets pinged for 50 for what he does with the ball AFTER the siren.
Watch: https://twitter.com/Flagmantle2022/status/1530179521626144768
I'm sure that Freo player could argue he dropped the ball because the siren had gone and he thought the quarter was over with the ball on the wing and no chance of Essendon scoring from there via the free. But no, the 50m rule was applied as per the rule without the umps conferring and making up excuses for him.
So let's get this straight. When a free kick is paid just before the siren, if a player gets rid of the footy and doesn't give the ball back after the siren against a team other than Richmond it's 50m but if it's against Richmond the rules don't matter & it's not 50 due to "commonsense" :facepalm :thumbsdown.
Good luck to Stevic and Howorth when they next umpire a Richmond home game. The Tiger Army will be on their backs from first bounce to final siren.
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MT
Can you please consider sending this to the media?
Thanks
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Here it is. The Freo player gets pinged for 50 for what he does with the ball AFTER the siren.
Watch: https://twitter.com/Flagmantle2022/status/1530179521626144768
I'm sure that Freo player could argue he dropped the ball because the siren had gone and he thought the quarter was over with the ball on the wing and no chance of Essendon scoring from there via the free. But no, the 50m rule was applied as per the rule without the umps conferring and making up excuses for him.
So let's get this straight. When a free kick is paid just before the siren, if a player gets rid of the footy and doesn't give the ball back after the siren against a team other than Richmond it's 50m but if it's against Richmond the rules don't matter & it's not 50 due to "commonsense" :facepalm :thumbsdown.
Good luck to Stevic and Howorth when they next umpire a Richmond home game. The Tiger Army will be on their backs from first bounce to final siren.
As much as I'd like to agree, the two situations aren't directly comparable. Switkowski is obviously aware of the free kick and fails to give the ball back = 50m. Warner may not, according to the AFL and Stevic, have been aware of the free kick. Therefore discretion is applied.
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I’m not sure I could see a rule that allows for common sense , they seem to find new rules each week that disadvantage Richmond.
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Dimma's tweet :thumbsup.
Common sense. Sorry, what? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)
(https://c.tenor.com/ZaAuxQ8MxMkAAAAM/dog-what-stuff-all.gif)
https://twitter.com/hardwick_damien/status/1530325923744317440
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Fair enough from Dimma. They don't use common sense all game then apply it to their last decision.
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"They've gone the soft call there and the easy way out by not paying that 50m penalty."
@MatthewLloyd18 weighs in on the controversial finish to the Swans' win over the Tigers.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1530712380992376832
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Sane scenario in a GF but the team awarded the free is 3 points down.
AFL would tick off costing a team a premiership :huh
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I am still in shock with the decision but not surprised given who is currently running the game. Apart from our game, another weekend of watching zero footy. Thanks Gil and his team of flogs :banghead
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Typical hypocrisy by this organisation they can't even admit a mistakes embarrassing ,umpires are protected species when they should be accountable for mistakes. As for Scott yeah right his one of them sacked by North given a job by the afl to pay his contract and now head of umpiring laughable.
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I was thinking we should get an apology at the least
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Brad Scott was sacked by Norf? Really? Norf? And then palmed him off to the AFL?
It makes total sense now ... well played Norf, dodged a bullet ... :whistle
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AFL great calls for clarity to umpiring ‘mess’ after controversial call
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
May 30th, 2022
Fox Footy’s First Crack team has labelled the state of umpiring a “mess” in the fallout from Sydney’s controversial win over Richmond on Friday night.
In a contest where 61 free kicks were paid, a crucial non-call on the final siren sparked huge debate from the football world after Swan Chad Warner wasn’t slapped with a 50m penalty despite booting the ball into the stands after giving away a free kick.
The AFL on Saturday morning ticked off the decision, however the First Crack team were left confused by the response.
Saints great Leigh Montagna said the umpires should’ve stayed consistent with the high amount of free kicks paid on the night.
“Technically that’s a 50m penalty. This is my frustration because they umpired the whole night technically, they paid every technical free kick, everything is black and white. Then all of a sudden they say, ‘nah let’s use common sense and not pay a 50m penalty in this situation,’” the dual All-Australian said.
“You could’ve used look at it either way. It shows the whole situation is a bit of a mess.”
North Melbourne legend David King also called on the adjudication to remain consistent, and if that was too difficult, to make changes.
“This is what happens when you create another avenue. We’ve got grey area, interpretation, let’s just have the rules, let’s just adjudicate to the rules,” he said.
“If they’re that hard, change them, make alterations, because they’ve created a mess. No one knows what’s going on with the 50(m)s anymore — protected area, run too far — we saw the comical one in the West Coast game.”
“If the 50 is there, pay the 50 and say ‘bad luck, you know the rules. You kick the ball away, that’s the rules.’ Of course it’s there (the 50m against Sydney). I don’t understand why you’d say, ‘nah let’s just pay common sense on this one.’ It’s black and white.”
It came a week after umpiring and the application of free kicks made headlines, with Hawthorn’s Round 10 win over Brisbane yielding 63 free kicks — the most in a match since 2012 — while the umpire dissent debate raged on.
It led to some claiming it’s the reason AFL crowd attendances were down in 2022, drawing the lowest averages since 1995 in non-Covid impacted seasons.
Former Hawthorn sharpshooter Ben Dixon suggested if Warner kicked the ball into the stands after quarter time the umpires would’ve paid a 50m penalty, to which Montagna agreed.
And the ex-Saints champion questioned if the game needed to be umpired with more common sense, praising the officiating from Collingwood’s win over Carlton on Sunday.
“If we could change it philosophically, would you love the game to be umpired with a bit more on common sense?” Pay the obvious ones,” he said.
“I thought today’s game was really well umpired where it’s a bit more not paying every single technical free kick. They could’ve paid a lot more holding the balls.”
King called on AFL football boss Brad Scott to publicly address the situation despite as recently as three weeks ago saying umpire dissent was quickly becoming a “non issue” in the sport.
“You’ve just got to get this stuff right, and to get it right Brad Scott has to come out and say ‘we’ve gone backwards here, the competition has gone backwards this season on all 50m adjudications. Let’s reset, clarify the lines, have no grey areas,’” King said.
“We’ve put the umpire on an island. We’ve just got to take common sense off the table.”
Montagna argued that the league giving the Warner no-call the all-clear “confused everyone” and believes there’s too much nuance to how the game is adjudicated.
“That’s the issue with the way we umpire the game, either way you could be right,” he said.
“Technically it’s a free kick or (it’s) common sense if you don’t pay a free kick, either way you can make out like the decision is right.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2022-free-kicks-paid-in-round-11-chad-warner-no-50m-penalty-kicks-ball-into-stands-sydney-swans-win-over-richmond-tigers-umpire-dissent/news-story/a75862fc45a7785708c922dd8baaed69
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:clapping
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The minute they stop creating nonsensical, illogical rules in an attempt to increase scoring the better. All of the stupid 6-6-6, stand, running arcs when taking a set shot, protected area rules were brought in by the AFL to speed up play and bring congestion down because they thought scoring was negatively effected and it was turning viewers off. They claim the rules were brought in to make the game better for the fans but they have done anything but that and yet the AFL will stand by them even when the people they supposedly brought the rules in for say otherwise. Let the game evolve naturally, if it goes through a period of defensive coaching tactics so be it. I’ve seen plenty of hugely exciting low scoring games. Give me those any day over the over officiated mess we get today.
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Wheatley on AFL360 last night tried to make up every excuse for it not being paid a 50.
The umpire guy on twitter shot him down.
It’s taken all weekend, but @FOXFOOTY finally showing the decisive video angle of the Warner incident. They clearly made the right call. @hasumpstuffedup
Different angle and Wheatley's comments: https://twitter.com/morteinmooie/status/1531218824602992641
As a Neutral enjoyer of the game - I am happy to not see it paid.
But none of the factors they mention - the proximity of the umpire, timing of the siren, have any legal standing.
Fact remains that Warner booted the ball away when Tigers had a FK - That's a 50m penalty. #AFL
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‘It’s the only decision’: Exclusive vision reveals twist in controversial ump call
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
May 31st, 2022
Exclusive vision from Friday night’s controversial umpiring decision offers a new angle on the turn of events that sparked huge debate from the football world.
After giving away a free kick to Richmond’s Dion Prestia on the wing in the dying seconds of the contest, Swan Chad Warner wasn’t hit with a 50m penalty despite subsequently booting the ball into the stands in a dramatic ending to the game.
The AFL then ticked off the decision given the immediacy of the free kick being paid.
And Fox Footy’s AFL 360 team have highlighted behind-the-goals lab vision that shows how far away umpire Matt Stevic, who paid the free kick against Warner, was from the action, positioned inside the centre square.
AFL 360 co-host Gerard Whateley emphasised that given how distanced Stevic was from the contest, Warner nor any other player on the ground could’ve known the free kick was paid.
“He pays the free kick from inside the centre square, and he’s not signalling until after the siren’s gone,” Whateley said.
“So he’s blown the whistle and he’s talking to his colleague in his ear. Warner has no prospect, none, in fact none of the players on the spot have any prospect of knowing what Matt Stevic’s decision is before the siren is played.”
Fellow AFL 360 co-host Mark Robinson added: “He’s got really good eyesight to see the high contact, I’ll give him that. That’s a long way away to pay a free kick like that.”
Robinson then admitted he’d “waxed and waned” over the contentious decision all weekend, but ultimately believes “sometimes you’ve just got to embrace the impurities” of the game.
“You cannot buy the theatre that this game gives us,” he said.
“I put a post up on social media on Friday that this game has some challenges. You move a toenail on stand on the mark, it’s 50m (penalty), a guy boots it into the second level of the grandstand and it’s not 50m.
“Dustin Martin runs at the umpire, and that’s not dissent. Dylan Grimes is stopping Jack (Riewoldt) and others from going at the umpires, that’s not dissent.
“I’ve come to the conclusion I’m not as frustrated as I was on Friday night. We’ve got a crazy game, we’ve got a game that throws up so much.
“People say, ‘you’ve got to live and die by the whistle’, but we don’t because the umpires use discretion every game. There’s no black and white in our game.
“We’ve got a whole book of rules, that I reckon half of them can be interpreted by umpires differently.
“Instead of going, ‘oh, this is crazy our game.’ We’ve got to say, ‘oh, how good is our game because it’s crazy?’”
Whateley reiterated that in this instance, he believed there was no evidence to slap Warner with a 50m penalty.
“The answer to our question has to be in that rule book though,” he said.
“From where Matt Stevic is blowing that whistle, to where the siren sounds, it’s the only decision. He hadn’t even pointed by the time the ball was in the stands.
“No one’s got any prospect at that stage given how far away that is from the action.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2022-lab-vision-of-matt-stevic-video-no-50m-penalty-against-chad-warner-for-kicking-the-ball-into-scg-crowd-sydney-swans-defeat-richmond-tigers/news-story/1f965ae2ba904648f1478eb13ca436c7
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Inflation hits 50m penalties as dissent concern remains
Peter Ryan
The Age
June 3, 2022
Despite the dissent rule, the protected area prohibition, the stand silliness and the kick-it-over-the-fence, common-sense confusion, the number of 50-metre penalties paid in the first 11 rounds of 2022 remains lower than the number awarded in the first 11 rounds in 2018.
That’s right.
However, the number of 50m penalties paid in the first 11 rounds in 2022 is up 57 per cent compared to the same period last season which is the biggest year-on-year jump for the past 10 seasons.
Last Friday night’s controversial decision by umpires Matt Stevic and John Howarth not to award Dion Prestia a 50m penalty, when Chad Warner roosted the Sherrin to Coogee Beach rather than give it back to his Tigers opponent after he was awarded a free kick in the split-second before the final siren sounded, kept the number of 50m penalties awarded in 2022 so far to 230.
That’s four fewer than were awarded in the first 11 rounds of 2018 when then North Melbourne coach and now head of football at the AFL, Brad Scott, warned the AFL that an overly strict interpretation of the protected area rule would “drive supporters nuts”.
Funnily enough, 2018 was a year when no rule changes were made. However, a spike in the number of 50m penalties paid occurred that season because umpires became stricter on players who passed through the protected area (which was introduced in 1996 but has tightened regularly since) while their opponents looked to kick the ball.
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Three-time grand final umpire Mathew James, who finished up with the AFL in 2010 after 206 matches, said it has become a hard game to umpire.
“Has the player moved off the mark, has the player with ball moved, what are you looking for? I find it very complicated. I don’t think it would be enjoyable from an umpiring perspective,” James said. “The reality is they are only adjudicating what they are being instructed to adjudicate.”
This season is just the fourth occasion in the past 10 seasons when more than 200 50m penalties have been paid in the first 11 rounds, with James questioning whether football followers wanted to see so many 50m penalties awarded.
There has been a massive hike compared to last season, too, when just 146 50m penalties were paid in the opening 11 rounds, a 57 per cent increase, the largest year-on-year increase in the past decade.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/50mPenalties2.png)
The highest number of 50m penalties awarded during a single round this season was in round four when umpires blew the whistle to award 31 50m penalties.
That is still below round 18, 2007, when 37 50m penalties were awarded during a single round with one fewer game played in the 16-team competition.
James praised the umpire’s decision to not award Richmond a 50m penalty at the end of the match against Sydney and said common sense needed to be regularly applied when umpires made decisions, particularly as the rules were so grey.
“We over-umpire the game and we keep implementing rules that are grey ... if rules are black and white, the players are much more understanding of it and can play to the rules better,” James said. “The AFL have to be proactive about what the interpretation is.”
Since the 50m penalty replaced the 15m penalty in 1988, the number of ways in which a team can incur a 50m penalty has dramatically increased.
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The number of ways teams can now concede a 50m penalty has increased
1. A player or official from the opposing team: (a) has moved off the mark; (b) when in the immediate contest, unreasonably holds a player after that player has marked the football or been awarded a free kick; (c) when not in the immediate contest, holds a player after that player has marked the football or been awarded a free kick; (d) enters or does not make every endeavour to immediately vacate the protected area, except when the player is accompanying or following within two metres of their opponent; (e) has not returned the football directly and on the full to the player awarded the mark or free kick; (f) engages in any conduct which delays or impedes the play; or (g) engages in any other conduct for which a free kick would ordinarily be awarded
2. One team has more than permitted members on playing surface
3. Interchange infringement.
4. Attacking team delays play during opposition kick-in.
5. A six-six-six breach.
6. A player delays or impedes play or acts in an unsportsmanlike manner.
7. A player prevents an opponent from taking part in the next act of play.
8. A player from the opposing team impedes or delays the player with the football whilst the mark is being advanced, a second 50-metre penalty shall be imposed.
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Penalties for dissent has been the biggest issue among fans, even though players and coaches have been supportive of the move to protect umpires in a bid to grow their numbers, with the game experiencing a shortage across the nation.
James suspects the low-tolerance approach will have an opposite effect.
“I think it’s going to have an adverse effect on umpiring at lower levels. I think it will drive kids away because the backlash is greater now and they don’t have the skill set or experience to deal with players and often players don’t have the control they need to show if a free kick is paid,” James said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/inflation-hits-50m-penalties-as-dissent-concern-remains-20220601-p5aqdk.html
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How other games are umpired differently.
Q3 1:23 to go - Oliver punches the ball out of Rowbottom's hands after the mark. No 50.
End of Q3 - Ladhams late on Oliver after the mark. No 50.
No such leniency is given to us ::).
Q4 5:25 to go - Gulden paid a very soft free for a hold. Technically there but soft.
Q4 3:00 to go - Langdon accidently lands with the knees on Papley as he dives for the footy. Technically there.
The type of frees we don't get especially in our forward line.
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From the list of ways to concede a 50mtr penalty - (e) has not returned the football directly and on the full to the player awarded the mark or free kick; ... yet the article lauds the umpires for not awarding a 50mtr penalty after the siren last week in Sydney!
What the heck is that opinion doing in this article? By the letter of the rules we were absolutely shafted last week but parts of the media are choosing to support the over-ruling of the field umpire who wanted to pay the 50! They even applaud the decision to go with 'common sense', regardless of the written rules!
At this point I am sure of only one thing - BAN THE EARPIECE! :banghead
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How other games are umpired differently.
Q3 1:23 to go - Oliver punches the ball out of Rowbottom's hands after the mark. No 50.
End of Q3 - Ladhams late on Oliver after the mark. No 50.
No such leniency is given to us ::).
Q4 5:25 to go - Gulden paid a very soft free for a hold. Technically there but soft.
Q4 3:00 to go - Langdon accidently lands with the knees on Papley as he dives for the footy. Technically there.
The type of frees we don't get especially in our forward line.
That last one to Papley was technically there but it wasn't really Langdon's fault.
I guess you have to give credit to Papley for getting to the ball first and wanting it more.
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How other games are umpired differently.
Q3 1:23 to go - Oliver punches the ball out of Rowbottom's hands after the mark. No 50.
End of Q3 - Ladhams late on Oliver after the mark. No 50.
No such leniency is given to us ::).
Q4 5:25 to go - Gulden paid a very soft free for a hold. Technically there but soft.
Q4 3:00 to go - Langdon accidently lands with the knees on Papley as he dives for the footy. Technically there.
The type of frees we don't get especially in our forward line.
That last one to Papley was technically there but it wasn't really Langdon's fault.
I guess you have to give credit to Papley for getting to the ball first and wanting it more.
Langdon should have kept his feet in that situation, then fall over Papley's body. This would have resulted in the pathetic rule of taking the legs. Free to Langdon in this instance.
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Have to disagree regarding the Langdon/Papley one
Was really poor by Langdon, knees in the centre of Papley's back, could have been avoided.
The Gulden one was a shocker
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I wasn't saying the Langdon/Papley one was completely wrong. More that it's the type of free we don't get. A week or so ago either Cotch or Prestia (I can't remember) had an opponent fall straight into their back while on the ground and it wasn't paid. All we ask for consistency and the same rules apply to us.
Langdon should have kept his feet in that situation, then fall over Papley's body. This would have resulted in the pathetic rule of taking the legs. Free to Langdon in this instance.
What just happened in the Hawthorn-Collingwood game. Darcy Moore slides in first to rush the ball through for a behind and then Sam Butler comes from behind and falls over Moore's body and it's stupidly paid taking out the legs.
Welcome to the current rules of the AFL where contrary decisions are both correct :help.
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Watched the Freo game. Last quarter, Hipwood gives away a free kick clear throw. Lyons runs off and kicks the ball up forward, no 50.
We got pinged for that 3 times v Essendon.
And what's the go with the free kicks from a marking contest? So many free kicks for no contact?
Infuriating
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The free against Moore for contact below the knees in the Pies/Hawks game clear winner of this week's most pathetic decision
It just get worse each week
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The free against Moore for contact below the knees in the Pies/Hawks game clear winner of this week's most pathetic decision
It just get worse each week
Here's the video clip of it.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1533327140896186368
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AFL WINDS BACK UMPIRE DISSENT INTERPRETATION
By Seb Mottram
SEN
7 June 2022
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The AFL has softened its interpretation of what constitutes dissent towards umpires, according to the Herald Sun’s Sam Landsberger.
It’s understood the move will now allow AFL players to express a level of emotion to decisions, providing they’re also able to demonstrate restraint.
The Herald Sun reports the new instruction to league umpires came last week. An incident involving Jordan De Goey was shown to the whistle-blowers where the Magpies star cost his side a 50-metre penalty and a goal in the final quarter of their loss to the Western Bulldogs in Round 9, with that example now not warranting a 50-metre penalty under the new interpretations.
It led to a quieter weekend with dissent free kicks, with no players costing their side a 50-metre penalty from that rule during Round 12.
After announcing the new interpretation at the start of the year the league copped heat after Round 5 when a number of controversial free kicks were paid. At the time, AFL GM of football Brad Scott backed the umpires’ calls to award free kicks for whatever they judged to be dissent.
The AFL had made no official confirmation about changes to the dissent rule.
Two weeks ago the league appointed Lisa Lawry to the position of general manager umpiring within the football operations department, working under Andrew Dillon.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/06/06/report-afl-winds-back-umpire-dissent-interpretation/
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-walks-back-umpire-dissent-rules-amid-heavy-backlash/news-story/5d143991280ee91f4fe22c7593f5eccc
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Complete lie that no 50s were given for dissent
The Treloar one was the worst of the year
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Retired AFL umpire Dean Margetts is happy to hear the dissent rules have been relaxed.
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https://twitter.com/DwaynesWorldSEN/status/1534017805762367489
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That whole rule was a joke. And of course we got reamed by it.
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There's still been no official announcement from the AFL. We're first up tomorrow night so we'll be the guinea pigs if it's true or not :help.
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Jack Riewoldt on AFL360 last night was still miffed by the non-50 against Warner. Spoke about how whether you hear the whistle or not hadn't mattered previously.
Jack also said he spoke to the umps during the warm-up before the Swans game about the dissent rule and the umps told him they would only pay 50 if a player is actually demonstrative towards them and not if they just fling out their arms. Jack was glad about that.
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What do you all think about going back to 2 umpires on the ground? ( I think it is 3 currently)
One ump drifting o around each end, the end the team scores on the ump from the opposite end does the bounce, they could also have an interchange ump??
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What do you all think about going back to 2 umpires on the ground? ( I think it is 3 currently)
One ump drifting o around each end, the end the team scores on the ump from the opposite end does the bounce, they could also have an interchange ump??
I am for it.
Cuts down on inconsistencies and if they are too puffed from the more running around to blow the whistle all the better
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Another game, another disgraceful umpiring display. Absolutely gutless umpiring those two HTBs >:( .
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How's that last one not paid to Graham.
Bloke just dives straight on it and lies there like a fish out of water lol
Gutless
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We won
Umpires disgusting
Rules disgusting
Killing our game !!!!
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I actually thought we got some very soft ones are way which setup goals for us. Bad for both teams
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I went to game, don't get to too many as from regional Vic. Left at half time. The game is almost unwatchable.
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I actually thought we got some very soft ones are way which setup goals for us. Bad for both teams
I actually thought we were very lucky with some as well
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I went to game, don't get to too many as from regional Vic. Left at half time. The game is almost unwatchable.
Somehow the AFL has managed to coopt the media into saying nothing about it.
It's all supporters talk about as far as I can tell, but judging from all "the boys" on TV the game has never been better!
I agree. It stinks. It is unwatchable. Watching footy used to be a relaxing leisure activity on the weekend. Now it makes me feel like everything in the world sucks. I HATE watching the football. I only put up with it to watch Richmond, but I'm thinking I might switch to radio coverage from now on.
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Watching the replay. Jack G goal in the 1st. 10mtre rule. The Port player was no where near him and 50.
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I went to game, don't get to too many as from regional Vic. Left at half time. The game is almost unwatchable.
Somehow the AFL has managed to coopt the media into saying nothing about it.
It's all supporters talk about as far as I can tell, but judging from all "the boys" on TV the game has never been better!
I agree. It stinks. It is unwatchable. Watching footy used to be a relaxing leisure activity on the weekend. Now it makes me feel like everything in the world sucks. I HATE watching the football. I only put up with it to watch Richmond, but I'm thinking I might switch to radio coverage from now on.
So true.
I was talking tonight to a rugby league fan and I told him AFL pinnacle was around mid 90’s and now it’s crap hardly watch a game other than Richmond games.
He said Rugby league was currently the best it’s ever been.
I actually enjoy watching NRL too but it’s a sad state of affairs when AFL is frustratingly crap to watch.
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Tonight's game was one of the worst for over-umpiring I have ever seen! Nearly every contest was settled by the umpires with a soft or stupid free kick. It really was netball on grass, I was waiting for the call of 'stepping'. The overly protective umpiring ruins the game by taking away it's flow, I don't care that we won a free kick count (for once), I'm just totally dismayed by what is being done to our great game. :P
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With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
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With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
Mate it's farcical they make it up as they go worse then bush league.
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It CLEARLY deflected off the post .. no doubt whatsoever
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I went to game, don't get to too many as from regional Vic. Left at half time. The game is almost unwatchable.
Somehow the AFL has managed to coopt the media into saying nothing about it.
It's all supporters talk about as far as I can tell, but judging from all "the boys" on TV the game has never been better!
I agree. It stinks. It is unwatchable. Watching footy used to be a relaxing leisure activity on the weekend. Now it makes me feel like everything in the world sucks. I HATE watching the football. I only put up with it to watch Richmond, but I'm thinking I might switch to radio coverage from now on.
Thats what I cant get, why are the media silent over it, I reckon the AFL have issued ultimatums to them or somehow made it know their will be repercussions
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With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
I think you've I'll find "the edge" technology doesn't work or is attached to the padding of the post
Anyway...
Another stunning performance by the umps.
The game is no longer the game i grew up loving.
The game is stuffed
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Tried to call the AFL today, cant get through.
Message just tells you to call the number you just called, waste of time.
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With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
Yeah it deflected so wasn’t needed.
BUT...........
As the ball was in the air the ump blew his whistle to pay a free to Gibgus for a hold.
Why wasn’t he given a shot after they deemed the ball hit the post?
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With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
I think you've I'll find "the edge" technology doesn't work or is attached to the padding of the post
Anyway...
Another stunning performance by the umps.
The game is no longer the game i grew up loving.
The game is stuffed
x2
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With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
I think you've I'll find "the edge" technology doesn't work or is attached to the padding of the post
Anyway...
Another stunning performance by the umps.
The game is no longer the game i grew up loving.
The game is stuffed
That it is….
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#AFLTigersPort: Umpired Well
#AFLDonsBlues: Umpired Superbly
#AFLFreohawks: Umpired Poorly
#AFLLionsSaints: Umpired Poorly
#AFLNorthGiants: Umpired Well
#AFLPiesDees: Umpired Poorly
Updated for Round 13.
Superb = 5, Well = 4, Ok = 3, Poor = 2, Terrible = 1
Justin Power has moved up to equal 2nd from 4th.
Stevic, Williamson, Gavine and a few others each slipped a few spots.
The overall mix of good games vs. bad games remains very constant.
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https://twitter.com/rrrrrrrusty/status/1536991192587546630
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Tonight we have umpires:
Brendan Hosking (16)
Nathan Williamson (22)
Robert Findlay (23)
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/3921#line-ups
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Tonight we have umpires:
Brendan Hosking (16)
Nathan Williamson (22)
Robert Findlay (23)
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/3921#line-ups
Don’t know them but my guess is we are going to get reamed
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And another night of baffling decisions.
Tiger takes the mark and then gets tacklesd by a Blue = no 50 :huh
Grimes' 50 was only about 35m :huh
McKay's 'mark' came off Nank's hands :huh
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Commonsense MT :shh
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Broad spoils and Codral shoves him front on, no call, Carlton goal.
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Again thought we did ok with the umps tonight. Many bad calls but we were on the end of some soft ones too for sure.
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Voss post-game sooked about the Newnes 'touched' decision.
Carlton coach Michael Voss has conceded an overturned goal that would have brought his side within three points of Richmond "didn't look" touched from where he was sitting.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/780687/-you-d-hope-it-was-definitive-voss-queries-overturned-newnes-goal
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The AFL has ticked off the Newnes goal review. Comfortable the ARC nailed the call after they accessed high def super slow mo vision. Jason Dunstall not so convinced about “jazz hands” Broad’s defence
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1537618864338776064
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I'm sorry but the jazz band stuff is borderline defamatory. That is rubbish by Dunstall insinuated Broad is cheating equivalent of a cricket player clicking their fingers when a batsman plays and misses to trick the ump of an edge.
Ball touched his thumb which knocked index then middle finger clear as day. Broad also claimed touched immediately
Really poor from any media person suggestion broad wiggled his hands.
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Yep he said touched straight away. No way of knowing the evidence would support this unless you knew for sure you touched it otherwise you just look like a cheat.
And to suggest any player has a finger wiggling technique in those moments is laughable. He's not a robot.
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https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1538460612438548480
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The amount of throwing in the first 10 minutes of the Carlton-Fremantle game is disgusting. This circle work crap is a blight on the game. If you don't punch your fist through it it's a throw goddammit!
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Throw throw throw throw ...
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Getting absolutely butt reamed by the stuffers
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There is seriously something going on with the umps, there has to be bias because of the Scott brother relationship surely
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There is seriously something going on with the umps, there has to be bias because of the Scott brother relationship surely
It should be investigated.
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They're on fire tonight
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As poor as I can remember.
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Rules that don't apply to Geelong tonight:
HTB
High tackles on Richmond players >:(.
Throws.
Front on contact.
Disgraceful umpiring tonight! Playing against 25 >:(
Frees: 8 - 19 :thumbsdown
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Didn’t give us a fair crack. Absolute garbage. Worst umpired sport in the world and that’s saying something!
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I can't work out if it's even worth posting about the game in here because it was so damn obvious all night.
Benny should be sending them a please explain.
Clueless and/or Corrupt.
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Tonight is the night Dimma needs to take a public swipe and cop a fine. Geelong got 2 out of every 3 free kicks awarded and there were a dozen obvious frees we should have been awarded that went unnoticed. I couldn’t count the number of high contact we copped and got nothing.
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I feel exactly the same.
I keep thinking I have Richmond goggles on but truly tonight was disgusting
Hang you heads in shame umpires and AFL
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It won't happen but with the game decided by under a kick there should be an official investigation into why the umps allowed 3 mins of play with Richmond down a man with Prestia on the field knocked out by sniper Stewart. Geelong got a goal out of the unfair advantage that proved decisive in the final result.
#"Commonsense" ::)
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It won't happen but with the game decided by under a kick there should be an official investigation into why the umps allowed 3 mins of play with Richmond down a man with Prestia on the field knocked out by sniper Stewart. Geelong got a goal out of the unfair advantage that proved decisive in the final result.
#"Commonsense" ::)
Great comment 👍🏿
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26-13.... AND.....
Us getting called play on regularly from a mark or free, and I counted at least 5 times a Cats player was in our protected area and no 50.
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It won't happen but with the game decided by under a kick there should be an official investigation into why the umps allowed 3 mins of play with Richmond down a man with Prestia on the field knocked out by sniper Stewart. Geelong got a goal out of the unfair advantage that proved decisive in the final result.
#"Commonsense" ::)
Great comment 👍🏿
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26-13.... AND.....
Us getting called play on regularly from a mark or free, and I counted at least 5 times a Cats player was in our protected area and no 50.
Noticed Geelong players were repeatedly trailing their Richmond opponent by 10-15m while running through the protective area of the mark. Deliberate tactic? Should be 50 anyway being that far off your direct opponent in the protective area.
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It won't happen but with the game decided by under a kick there should be an official investigation into why the umps allowed 3 mins of play with Richmond down a man with Prestia on the field knocked out by sniper Stewart. Geelong got a goal out of the unfair advantage that proved decisive in the final result.
#"Commonsense" ::)
Exactly 💯 wouldn't see that at bush footy useless how many umpires on the ground.
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An independent review is required, at best there is a bias and due to the consistent bias is it a direction from the AFL management team.
They are a dictatorship who are not accountable due to the abandonment of the right to criticise !
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An independent review is required, at best there is a bias and due to the consistent bias is it a direction from the AFL management team.
They are a dictatorship who are not accountable due to the abandonment of the right to criticise !
This is all absolutely spot on.
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Did anyone notice our trainers waving to the umpires regarding Prestia and they ignored it bewildering.
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An absolute disgrace week in week out.
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Comment from a neutral supporter.
#AFLCatsTigers...no skin in this game for me , but do you reckon the umps have a bit on the Cats? Some pretty dodgy decisions going their way...
https://twitter.com/JudkinsSimon/status/1540600887231401985
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Did anyone notice our trainers waving to the umpires regarding Prestia and they ignored it bewildering.
They didn't call for the stretcher, they called for the doctor
Rightly or wrongly that's why the game didn't stop. The once the ball is put of the area umps don't have to stop the game unless the stretcher is called
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I try not to blame umpires because they have a bloody tough job with the way the rules are written these days
But....
I don't give a shi_t that Geelong had 26 free kicks
What I have an issue with is the frees we DON'T get.
Week after week we get pinged for HTB but we tackle fairly and it's either "flap your arms and say play on" or they bless themselves and call for a ball up
Head high contact is not a grey rule. Tarrant going back with the flight of the ball cops a knee to the head/neck and although accidental it still should have been a free. There is no grey here. But flapity, flap, flap , play on
Lynch again was held in most marking contest, got whack above the neck and around the head a number of times and again flap, flap play on
The final free against him for holding, when Jack took that mark was a disgrace. Lynch was grabbed first but he got pinged
Then we have "insufficient intent" paid against us when someone kicked the ball as they were being flung in a tackle and it went over the boundary
I could go on :banghead
I counted at least 8 obvious frees we didn't get. Would it have changed the result? Quite possible because 4 of them were in or around our F50
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Corruption at its AFL finest.
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Did anyone notice our trainers waving to the umpires regarding Prestia and they ignored it bewildering.
They didn't call for the stretcher, they called for the doctor
Rightly or wrongly that's why the game didn't stop. The once the ball is put of the area umps don't have to stop the game unless the stretcher is called
A you sure about that ?.
They stopped play in the 3rd when Geelong had a kick out and Baker was down.
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Did anyone notice our trainers waving to the umpires regarding Prestia and they ignored it bewildering.
They didn't call for the stretcher, they called for the doctor
Rightly or wrongly that's why the game didn't stop. The once the ball is put of the area umps don't have to stop the game unless the stretcher is called
A you sure about that ?.
They stopped play in the 3rd when Geelong had a kick out and Baker was down.
Wasn't aware of that but where was Baker to the ball?
My understanding of the rule is a game won't be stopped if the ball is not within so many metres of the player that is down unless a stretcher is called for
Do I think the game should have been stopped? Absolutely but I still think you will find it will get ticked off because of where the ball was and the fact we didn't call for a stretcher
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Whilst Prestia was down the ball was kicked nearly directly over him. When Baker went down the ball was placed in the square until Baker was taken care of. Someone spoke to the umps at half time. Cost us a goal.
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Had a beer with high up tonight 🤫
Not allowed to comment
Was very balanced but We were stuffing robbed
I Hate umpires and AFL
I’ll take the pussycats in a final this year no worries
Great effort by the boys tonight, really good
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Goodness I've just seem the Dusty tackle on Close with 20 seconds to go
Why the "F" wasn't that HTB? He took possession, got tackled, let go of the ball, dragged it back in and they did nothing ....there's the game right there
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It’s a dead set rort, time the RFC said stuff the fine they’re gunna tell it how it is
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Goodness I've just seem the Dusty tackle on Close with 20 seconds to go
Why the "F" wasn't that HTB? He took possession, got tackled, let go of the ball, dragged it back in and they did nothing ....there's the game right there
Haven’t you got used to this by now ?
Disgusting 🤮
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Corrupt AFL have our tongues tied
The games a farce
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For me tonight .. that alleged deliberate kick out of bounds by one of our players broke the camels back . It was a horrendous decision , could not believe it
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None in the media see the consistent bias which just goes to show they are not independent either or they would research it and ask the questions
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Goodness I've just seem the Dusty tackle on Close with 20 seconds to go
Why the "F" wasn't that HTB? He took possession, got tackled, let go of the ball, dragged it back in and they did nothing ....there's the game right there
:shh
I was expecting a 50 against Dusty
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Exhibit: 185838282:
Got to love the two non frees before Juddy's goal.
- De Koning whacking Lynch across the chops.
- Jack's chase down tackle on Kolodjashnij who drops the ball.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1540617047440097280
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/LynchNonFree2.png)
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Anyone see the 50 against Fyfe
Worst decision I’ve ever seen
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Exhibit: 185838282:
Got to love the two non frees before Juddy's goal.
- De Koning whacking Lynch across the chops.
- Jack's chase down tackle on Kolodjashnij who drops the ball.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1540617047440097280
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/LynchNonFree2.png)
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Lynch was getting manhandled all game and wasn’t getting anything from the umps.
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:thumbsdown
THE 2022 FREE KICK LADDER AFTER ROUND 15
Andrew Slevison
SEN
27 June 2022
Down the other end and it is Richmond and then daylight.
After being on the wrong end of a lopsided 26-13 count in Saturday’s loss to the Cats, the Tigers have received the least free kicks (271) and have given away the most (343). Their differential is -72.
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/5r4hhvnkEZGduT5HyZandV/3871d7e87cf9b6fa39745c516b416eab/Screen_Shot_2022-06-27_at_1.21.03_pm.png)
Most free kicks for:
33: Patrick Cripps (CAR)
30: Dylan Moore (HAW)
29: Matt Rowell (GCS)
28: Tim English (WB)
28: Rowan Marshall (STK)
28: Callum Mills (SYD)
27: Josh Dunkley (WB)
27: Jack Macrae (WB)
26: Darcy Cameron (COL)
26: Sam Collins (GCS)
26: Jade Gresham (STK)
26: Jarrod Witts (GCS)
Most free kicks against:
38: Toby Nankervis (RIC)
33: Sam Draper (ESS)
33: Matt Rowell (GCS)
29: Pete Ladhams (SYD)
26: Shai Bolton (RIC)
26: Patrick Cripps (CAR)
26: Paddy Ryder (STK)
25: Taylor Adams (COL)
25: Jai Newcombe (HAW)
25: Joel Selwood (GEE)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/06/27/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-15/
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:thumbsdown
THE 2022 FREE KICK LADDER AFTER ROUND 15
Andrew Slevison
SEN
27 June 2022
Down the other end and it is Richmond and then daylight.
After being on the wrong end of a lopsided 26-13 count in Saturday’s loss to the Cats, the Tigers have received the least free kicks (271) and have given away the most (343). Their differential is -72.
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/5r4hhvnkEZGduT5HyZandV/3871d7e87cf9b6fa39745c516b416eab/Screen_Shot_2022-06-27_at_1.21.03_pm.png)
Most free kicks for:
33: Patrick Cripps (CAR)
30: Dylan Moore (HAW)
29: Matt Rowell (GCS)
28: Tim English (WB)
28: Rowan Marshall (STK)
28: Callum Mills (SYD)
27: Josh Dunkley (WB)
27: Jack Macrae (WB)
26: Darcy Cameron (COL)
26: Sam Collins (GCS)
26: Jade Gresham (STK)
26: Jarrod Witts (GCS)
Most free kicks against:
38: Toby Nankervis (RIC)
33: Sam Draper (ESS)
33: Matt Rowell (GCS)
29: Pete Ladhams (SYD)
26: Shai Bolton (RIC)
26: Patrick Cripps (CAR)
26: Paddy Ryder (STK)
25: Taylor Adams (COL)
25: Jai Newcombe (HAW)
25: Joel Selwood (GEE)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/06/27/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-15/
Minus 72 next best is 40 behind us what a joke.
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It's the chaos game plan though :whistle
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It's the chaos game plan though :whistle
;)
Yep, we have the lowest 'frees for' count because it's our gamestyle's fault the umps don't pay us blatant frees like this :whistle.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWI64YwaMAAVnpK?format=png&name=small)
#SHockingCheats :thumbsdown
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Perceptions of umpiring is highly subjective, so rather than trade feel-o-pions I thought I’d look at the data. Firstly Richmond has a season FK differential twice as bad as the second worse team (1/5)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWN-T1qagAAPm6g?format=jpg&name=large)
Secondly this is not normal, no non Tiger team had a differential this bad since the turn of the century.
But, a-ha you say, the tigers play a low possession game so don’t get frees…. the only problem with that argument is disposals/free for stats don’t correlate and Richmond is still an outlier
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWN-UbyaIAEmOSd?format=jpg&name=large)
Tackles show a slightly better correlation but Tigers are still an outlier
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWN-VAMaMAEvK-g?format=jpg&name=large)
In conclusion, you can make up your own theories about why, but Richmond games have historically unprecedented umpiring trends.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1541214381685747713
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Can’t argue with stats, umpires are at best unintentionally bias , at worst cheats.
If it was another side the media would ask questions and do some homework . It’s the inconsistency that kills me. Struggle to go to games as it is so frustrating when we know we would have won about 4 more games without the umpires influencing the games in the oppositions favour
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0:20 min mark: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1541599288308137985
Clear 50m against Blicavs with that sidestep yet it's not paid :thumbsdown.
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Watching the Bullogs get the Richmond treatment tonight
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Watching the Bullogs get the Richmond treatment tonight
You mean going in dry with a ring of barbed wire wrapped about the tip?
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Ready to be hurt. Again.
#gotiges #talkingtigers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWf_ZHOaMAEG0TL?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/3121RFC/status/1542482448730435584
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Pickett would cop a week for this :whistle.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1542833475207794688
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Pickett would cop a week for this :whistle.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1542833475207794688
You can’t possibly be serious MT
Comparing the two is absurd
If anyone went for this garbage I would never watch another game
Be fair dinkum
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Pickett would cop a week for this :whistle.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1542833475207794688
You can’t possibly be serious MT
Comparing the two is absurd
If anyone went for this garbage I would never watch another game
Be fair dinkum
First time I've seen the vision
Based on the lottery system that is the MRO it will certainly be looked at.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if Wood cops a fine
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Oh, red hot! There is definitely a case here! A week at least. But Saad can't help being a soft little entitled mummies boy, after all he does play for Carlton ...
$1500 fine down to $1000 with an early plea & admission of being a soccer player who signed up for the wrong sport ... :santa
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Pickett would cop a week for this :whistle.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1542833475207794688
You can’t possibly be serious MT
Comparing the two is absurd
If anyone went for this garbage I would never watch another game
Be fair dinkum
Damo, your trust in the MRO roulette system is higher than mine. As WP said, it will be looked at it because Saad went off.
It should be 'nothing to see here' but when previous football acts get a week such as bump where there's incidental head contact and no one got hurt or went off then anything is possible these days :help.
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Mason Wood copped a $2000 fine.
Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct, Low Impact, High Contact.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/790786/match-review-saint-charged-with-rough-conduct-on-speedy-blue
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Richmond player down = play on for 3 minutes until the opposition score and all ticked off by the AFL.
Another team's player (Moore) down = umps stop play.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1543201093416497152
#AFLmakingItUpAsTheyGo :whistle
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The holds, scraps and bear hugs on Lynch and Jack being allowed is pathetic.
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Thought they were ok up until last qtr.
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Thought they were ok up until last qtr.
Yes. I thought they were ok today
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Seems the rule of the day is no free paid if you bend at the knees to attract the high contract. The Ginnivan rule.
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Seems the rule of the day is no free paid if you bend at the knees to attract the high contract. The Ginnivan rule.
Good. AFL should have done this years ago when they did the head duck thing. Same with lifting the shoulder etc.
WB game earlier this year there was one where the Dogs defender literally threw his head back before drawing the contact and I cannot believe that's not staging.
Ruins the game
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Watching the replay I think we were given a lot of grace by the umps and the handful of north supporters there had good reason to be angry with their interpretation.
From the top of my head we were caught with the ball atleast 5 times and play on was called finally a team got to feel our frustration. :rollin
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Agree with this
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Watching the replay I think we were given a lot of grace by the umps and the handful of north supporters there had good reason to be angry with their interpretation.
From the top of my head we were caught with the ball atleast 5 times and play on was called finally a team got to feel our frustration. :rollin
I thought Aarts was done htb in the dying seconds myself
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Not blaming the umps. Just stating what was mentioned on Fox Footy post-game.
Garry Lyon and Jonathan Brown reckoned we should have received a HTB free against Brendan Cox 20m out from our goal in the last minute. Cox had the ball with both his arms up in the air free and then made no attempt to dispose of it when he was tackled by Cumberland. Just brought it back down to his chest hoping for a ball-up (which is what the ump decided it was).
It was the same contest where Jack turned to the ump to say he was pushed in the back and the ump replied that it was his own teammate who did it (Cumberland).
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Outside of that one you've mentioned MT and the HTB against Cumberland where he actually got it out to Graham I thought the umpiring was pretty good last night. Yes they missed a few but overall they were consistent
Certainly better than we've witnessed the last 6 or weeks
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Agree on this, I hardly noticed the umpires last night which is a first for a very very long time.
Thought that the holding the ball vs Jack near the end was stiff but other than that didn't notice them.
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Was ok up until the last part of the last quarter when they started finding a free kick for Freo everywhere
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Outside of that one you've mentioned MT and the HTB against Cumberland where he actually got it out to Graham I thought the umpiring was pretty good last night. Yes they missed a few but overall they were consistent
Certainly better than we've witnessed the last 6 or weeks
Unless I’m thinking of a different contest, that was clearly incorrect disposal by Cumberland and was a correct call. My issue was one of the free kicks against Soldo(?) for a fair bump..
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Umpires killing Melbourne at the moment.
Melbourne player gets down to pick the ball up near his defensive goal square and a passive Fremantle player falls over the top of him to win a free kick for the Melbourne player apparently taking out the legs. Goal to Freo.
Next center bounce, Freo player takes on the tackle and gets caught HTB, not paid, ball up, goes forward, goal to Freo.
For anyone not watching, you might have guessed--Melbourne were dominating, now the scores look a little more even at quarter time and we may be "in for a classic."
Just atrocious understanding of the game from the umpires. No feel. They need to get this garbage out of the game. No one wants to notice the umpires. Just let me drink beer and watch footy unperturbed by the incessant bureaucracy going on around me. They're even infringing on my escape leisure activities now.
If I could rouse my fellow beer-swilling, couch-inhabiting crew to do something about it I would, but I don't think we have it in us.
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Salem down after a head knock and the game is immediately stopped by the umps. Prestia and us say where was this 5 weeks ago ::).
The new high tackle rule like all the new rules is just a nightmare. Toss of a coin stuff.
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Salem down after a head knock and the game is immediately stopped by the umps. Prestia and us say where was this 5 weeks ago ::).
Yep, noticed that too. So inconsistent it's not funny.
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Also, for all his plaudits, Max Gawn must have one of the worst set shot routines in the AFL. Just awful in every conceivable way.
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Ruckmen are usually ungainly and uncoordinated with their set shot goalkicking. The ball has further to drop from hand to footy.
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Most over umpired game :banghead
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Debacle. Can't wait to watch the replay where the push in back was paid yet a score review was asked.
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Debacle. Can't wait to watch the replay where the push in back was paid yet a score review was asked.
Yep, sums up how clueless the umpiring was today. No one had a clue what was going on. Absolutely ridiculous.
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THE 2022 FREE KICK LADDER AFTER ROUND 20
Down the other end, Richmond remains rooted to the bottom of the ladder with a negative disparity of -69. The Tigers have received the third least frees for (367) while giving away the most (436).
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/6Txr3d8dU074RD1J3a1Cbu/271714202aafbd2390c1863759330bce/Screen_Shot_2022-08-02_at_11.47.32_am.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/02/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-20/
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Not sure of the numbers but looks like we’re getting reamed again
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Not sure of the numbers but looks like we’re getting reamed again
Frees: 6 - 11
At one stage it was 1 - 6.
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Sounds about right
Thanks OE
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They evened up the frees after half-time. Finished 18-21.
Reckon Ump #10 paid most of those frees against us especially in the first half. Just some weird inconsistent decisions where he paid the second free and not the first one. Essendon one handed throws and head high tackles on us were "play on".
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HTF is OGorman an AFL umpire? Complete dud.
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They pay too many soft frees.
Hope finals aren't umpired the same way.
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And they want to add another one into the mix, mmm the definition of insanity is to do the same thing ( more umpires) and expect a different result
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Getting raped and pillaged again
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Getting raped and pillaged again
As bad as I’ve seen
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It's a disgrace.
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15 v 6
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15 v 6
And some out of bounds on the full frees in there too.
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Frees not paid to Richmond tonight.
HTB
Push in the back
Head high
Mauling and chopping the arms of our tall forwards.
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That oneale kick wasnt 8 metres
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I don’t know about that delightful young lass that Dusty gave a cuddle to but I sure feel violated by the umpires tonight
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:lol :rollin
I don’t know about that delightful young lass that Dusty gave a cuddle to but I sure feel violated by the umpires tonight
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Been disgusting tonight.
The 50m for not hearing stand call when walking backwards.
The 50m not allowed Baker to NOT take advantage
The non holding the ball to Andrews in our F50.
The original non 50 to us then central ump called it
Missed jumper pull on Dusty.
Random ruck free kicks against Miller.
Just stinkers.
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Just the one jumper pull on dusty, dude was all over him like sex pest in a Thai bar
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They gave us plenty of good frees at the end and evened it up.
Not their fault we lost. Not ARC fault we lost.
Lynch needs to nail that goal. Rioli and Baker need to find a team mate and not turn it over. Backline needs to kill that Daniher ball.
All stuffing night nobody playing close on Neale or standing in front of him.
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Let's talk about the ARC although we didn't lose because of it.
Why is it that Tennis and Cricket can track a balls flight path but we can't? Is it because wind etc plays a factor more?
F1 slow mo shows debris coming off tyres you can see individual specs of it but in the AFL we can't see if a finger or two bend off a ball. It's pathetic.
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The umps were poo, broke momentum when we started getting a run on,especially that free kick, play on, bs fiasco, wtf was that? Idiocy. Our own screw ups are for the other thread, this is the umpires bashing therapy room
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Let's talk about the ARC although we didn't lose because of it.
Why is it that Tennis and Cricket can track a balls flight path but we can't? Is it because wind etc plays a factor more?
F1 slow mo shows debris coming off tyres you can see individual specs of it but in the AFL we can't see if a finger or two bend off a ball. It's pathetic.
Agree with this 100%.
I believe it's a time thing. The super slow mo I believe takes a long time to render.
Ball tracking no idea why we can't have that.
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Let's talk about the ARC although we didn't lose because of it.
Why is it that Tennis and Cricket can track a balls flight path but we can't? Is it because wind etc plays a factor more?
F1 slow mo shows debris coming off tyres you can see individual specs of it but in the AFL we can't see if a finger or two bend off a ball. It's pathetic.
Agree with this 100%.
I believe it's a time thing. The super slow mo I believe takes a long time to render.
Ball tracking no idea why we can't have that.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I have never seen a umpires call of a goal overruled from those sort of camera shots. He may of missed it but where is the "undisputable" evedince. I don't see it.
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1bfbeb8b-6c22-4277-855a-11a44f770183-jpeg.1496555/)
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AFL position re goal review
‘The arc reviewed all the camera angles and its viewed as a definitive behind. The correct call was made.’
11:46 PM · Sep 1, 2022
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1565335220941131780
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How far is that footage?
Depth perception on a 2D screen / like the Toyota logo that’s looks great on tv but at the ground looks squished together. Why?
The angles they showed was vision from the other side of the ground or at least 150 metres away. You’d need at a minimum an angle from either the goal line but to get proper perspective or from the other goal post.
From each angle they showed it was impossible to see when the ball was in relation to the actual goal line.
Ridiculous perspective.
There’s no way of knowing how far it’s over the goal line or not from that angle.
It could’ve been 2 metres or 2 inches either side of it but impossible to know without a view from the actual goal line itself so we all can see if it past the goal line or was right on it.
The goal umpire had perfect position and actually called it a goal from his position under the post looking up.
Unless the vision showed otherwise then how can it the goal umpires decision be overruled?
The vision must be MORE decisive which it clearly wasn’t.
That isn’t why we lost though. We lost because we can’t defend or pressure or tackle like we used to.
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Here's the vision of Lynch's shot and the overrule:
https://www.afl.com.au/video/833617/huge-drama-as-goal-review-overrules-late-lynch-shot
Tom Browne added after the game that the ARC reviewer also goes by the player's reaction. That shouldn't be the case otherwise you'll get players from now on deliberately celebrating to try and fool the umps.
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Here's the vision of Lynch's shot and the overrule:
https://www.afl.com.au/video/833617/huge-drama-as-goal-review-overrules-late-lynch-shot
Tom Browne added after the game that the ARC reviewer also goes by the player's reaction. That shouldn't be the case otherwise you'll get players from now on deliberately celebrating to try and fool the umps.
Gez what was Lynch thinking mate a simple shot into the impossible silly.
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AFL position re goal review
‘The arc reviewed all the camera angles and its viewed as a definitive behind. The correct call was made.’
11:46 PM · Sep 1, 2022
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1565335220941131780
Show us the vision then u stuffen lying campaigners!
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Are the @AFL rewriting history???? Flicked the post …. Really?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbkivouaAAEjPpF?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/smwright1965/status/1565320554034634755
:huh3
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Umpire23 :banghead
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Umpire23 :banghead
funny Julz, I thought Ump 23 Findlay was the best of the 3
Ump 32 Mollison was shocking
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One other incident from the game so far hasn't been mentioned, but I really feel very hard done by over it.
2nd quarter saw a very confused Baker try to take the advantage from a free to Bolton one the outer wing, he took 3 steps & then decided that he didn't want the advantage. He put his hands up in a surrender while two Brisbane players tackled him anyway. The umpire decided that Baker had played on & was fair game to be tackled & so paid HTB against him. So far things were clear enough (a little harsh because plenty of players stop taking advantage & are allowed to take the free) but that isn't really the issue here.
After being called for HTB, Baker gives the hands out pleading gesture to the umpire who promptly penalizes him for dissent & applies a 50mtr penalty.
Brisbane player shoots from 35mtrs out & goals ... but wait a minute!
Wasn't the automatic 50mtr penalty for dissent shelved just recently?
The dissent rule still stands if a player is demonstrative, but the hands out pleading gesture was considered as NOT being demonstrative.
But suddenly the 50mtr penalty was resurrected when an umpire arbitrarily wanted to pay it.
WTF?
More 'make-it-up-as-you-go-along' rules from the umpires ... no wonder players get confused ...
Can the umpires ever be instructed in the fact that players cant hear a play on call over a grandstand full of howling fans? They can hear a piercing whistle due to its pitch but they cant hear the umpires voice over the cacophony of noise. To pick out one voice that is 30mtrs away over the grandstand full of howling fans 5mtrs away is impossible!
To stop the play is simple - blow the whistle! That's what it is for!
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Speaking on Channel Seven post-game, AFL reporter Tom Browne said: “I was told tonight from a reliable source that they do look at the player reaction as a guide and then look at the evidence.”
That detail left fellow panellist and Richmond great Matthew Richardson stunned along with many pundits on social media.
Matthews, speaking on 3AW on Friday, was another left underwhelmed by the call.
“It’s a bit disturbing to be honest, because you want it to be definitive don’t you ... sometimes you hope the score review officer has got better vision than we have or more conclusive vision than we have,” he said.
“To me, no, it wasn’t conclusive and therefore overturning the goal umpire was just a gigantic decision.”
Lions coach Chris Fagan admitted he was perplexed as to what the decision would be from the score reviewer.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-richmond-loss-to-brisbane-score-review-arc-tom-lynch-reaction-video-rules/news-story/5d0897c8f54aeaa4345e5b451973ff71
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“AN OVERREACH OF TECHNOLOGY”: THE AFL’S REVIEW SYSTEM HAS AN “INHERENT FLAW”
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
2 September 2022
Gerard Whateley has called into question the legitimacy of the ARC system used by the AFL.
The ARC review hub was put through its paces late in Thursday night’s frenzied Elimination Final between Brisbane and Richmond at the Gabba.
Tigers forward Tom Lynch had a set shot from an acute angle with two minutes left which was signalled a goal by the goal umpire.
The decision was sent to ARC who adjudged it to be a point as it apparently crossed the line over the goalpost.
What’s worse for Tigers fans is that a Lynch goal would have likely finished the Lions, who then took it down the other end and managed to scrap a goal through Joe Daniher to steal a win by two points.
It is a decision that has been met with derision by Richmond coach Damien Hardwick and SEN broadcaster Whateley followed suit.
He says the system has an “inherent flaw” and the ARC was simply “pretending” in its deliberation.
“This is the demonstration of the inherent flaw in the system,” he said on SEN’s The Captain’s Run.
“I understand there are those who are slavishly devoted to technology, but I’ve seen enough in sport to say that its intervention actually just shifts the error rather than solves and creates the perfect world that people are after.
“The inherent flaw is that limited technology can give you an absolute result so that the three-dimensional world can be captured in a two-dimensional image.
“I cannot think of a clearer case study than this. So, the determination that was made was, ‘We can see the ball crosses the line over the top of the goalpost’.
“Well, we can’t. We can’t see when the ball crosses the line from the varying camera angles, so how could you possibly extrapolate where the ball crosses the line.
“But this is the way this system has been advanced and advocated for and used.
“There is no angle that technology can provide that can adequately answer those questions. There is an angle though and that’s the angle of the goal umpire.
“He saw it, he knew where the line was, he knew where the post was and he knew where the ball was, and he get overruled. That is an overreach of technology and the AFL can say all it likes to that, that they viewed all the angles and used all the freeze-frames to say the ball was over the post.
“That is pretending. You cannot tell that with the technology that is in play in this system.”
Hardwick suggested that perhaps it is time to scrap the review system altogether if they can’t get the technology right.
So, do we go back to the human involvement, human error and the umpire’s call? Or is there still a place for the technology and the ARC system?
Whateley believes a multi-billion industry like the AFL could perhaps afford an infrared beam that could help with judging balls that fly over the post.
“I think it can live somewhere within the limitations of a system,” Whateley added.
“So anything over the post can’t be reviewed. There is no angle unless, just say you were the biggest sport in the country, a multi-billion dollar sport that might put an infrared beam in the top of the post because you wanted to get everything perfect.
“But you’d have to be the biggest sport in the country and a multi-billion business to even contemplate that. So let’s take that off the table.
“Let’s just understand the things that can be captured and the things that can’t be captured. So what should happen from the ARC last night is it should say, ‘The ball was over the post, it’s impossible to say when that ball crosses the line, the goal umpire is in an excellent position, the goal umpire’s call stands’.
“I think we would all go, ‘Yep, it may very well have passed over the post, but there is no way of knowing that to the satisfaction of overruling the eyes on the scene’.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/02/an-overreach-of-technology-the-afls-review-system-has-an-inherent-flaw/
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One other incident from the game so far hasn't been mentioned, but I really feel very hard done by over it.
2nd quarter saw a very confused Baker try to take the advantage from a free to Bolton one the outer wing, he took 3 steps & then decided that he didn't want the advantage. He put his hands up in a surrender while two Brisbane players tackled him anyway. The umpire decided that Baker had played on & was fair game to be tackled & so paid HTB against him. So far things were clear enough (a little harsh because plenty of players stop taking advantage & are allowed to take the free) but that isn't really the issue here.
After being called for HTB, Baker gives the hands out pleading gesture to the umpire who promptly penalizes him for dissent & applies a 50mtr penalty.
Brisbane player shoots from 35mtrs out & goals ... but wait a minute!
Wasn't the automatic 50mtr penalty for dissent shelved just recently?
The dissent rule still stands if a player is demonstrative, but the hands out pleading gesture was considered as NOT being demonstrative.
But suddenly the 50mtr penalty was resurrected when an umpire arbitrarily wanted to pay it.
WTF?
More 'make-it-up-as-you-go-along' rules from the umpires ... no wonder players get confused ...
Can the umpires ever be instructed in the fact that players cant hear a play on call over a grandstand full of howling fans? They can hear a piercing whistle due to its pitch but they cant hear the umpires voice over the cacophony of noise. To pick out one voice that is 30mtrs away over the grandstand full of howling fans 5mtrs away is impossible!
To stop the play is simple - blow the whistle! That's what it is for!
I actually have no issue with the free against Baker
He took advantage; it wasn't steps, he moved at least 2-3 metres and then when he was about to be tackled the hand went up basically saying say I don't want advantage now. So based on that no issue with the HTB decision. it was a brain fade on Bakers part
Agree re the dissent 50 metre penalty, that was stupid as it took thing back to rounds 1-6 not what they've been paying the last 15 weeks or so.
have to say Whateley is on the money re the ARC review.
have to wonder if the goal umpire didn't call for the review what would have happened? The ARC supposedly review every goal even the ones that haven't had had a review called for so what would have happened? I doubt very much they would have over turned it :help
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1bfbeb8b-6c22-4277-855a-11a44f770183-jpeg.1496555/)
What the ARC reviewer apparently used to justify calling it a behind from the above TV angles (top left and bottom right).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbneHV1VUAAMOVP?format=jpg&name=small)
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Here is vision from a different angle right behind Lynch's kick:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/m_felgate/status/1565523446355746817
Does the ball go over, in front of or behind the left goal post?
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Above vision close up and slowed down plus forward and reversed:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/chriistianbell/status/1565536405110939650
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It was a behind IMO.
Lynch should have nailed it. Easy textbook snap
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SEN just played audio of Lynch being interviewed today.
Lynch said he lost the ball in the lights so that's why he reacted the way he did.
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How amplified are the crap rules in finals.
Stand rule again gets us.
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Tonight's game is so over-umpired it's not funny. Umps paying so many off the ball frees and 50s.
As for our overturned goal there's an old saying: Don't give the umps an opportunity to screw you when you don't have to. Lynch should have put that through the middle from 10m out. You could kick it with a simple drop punt from there. Dual sided players would have used their left foot instead too as that's the easier shot. Not blaming Lynch for the loss by the way. We had the ball in our forward half for most of the last 5 minutes yet stuffed up every chance (Baker's OOTF the worst) :banghead.
Signed one still ticked off and frustrated left-footed Tiger supporter :rant.
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Blind Freddy can see it's a certain goal what a farce of a organisation talk about incompetent we we're robbed.
https://twitter.com/Stonem23/status/1565574928673685504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1565574928673685504%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=
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Richo is still upset about last night's ARC review ;D
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565692631383957505
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Richo is still upset about last night's ARC review ;D
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565692631383957505
Bradshaw lapping it up, can’t stand the biased POS.
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It was a point
But that’s not the problem
The problem is that there was no certain evidence to overturn it at the time
So the umpires decision should have stood
Pretty simple
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Richo is still upset about last night's ARC review ;D
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565692631383957505
He's not the only one! Is the AFL rule book readily available for mere mortals to peruse?
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It was a point
But that’s not the problem
The problem is that there was no certain evidence to overturn it at the time
So the umpires decision should have stood
Pretty simple
Exactly
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Damien Hardwick and Mason Cox offer HILARIOUS responses to confirmation that players reactions are taken into account during video reviews of goals in AFL finals
Andrew Prentice
Daily Mail Australia
3 September 2022
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick and Collingwood ruckman Mason Cox have hilariously weighed into the video review controversy that denied Tigers star Tom Lynch's a vital goal in their elimination final loss against Brisbane on Thursday.
While it appears the AFL's video review decision to award a behind late in the fourth quarter at the Gabba was correct, the Tigers boss and US import took to social media to convey their thoughts on the controversial matter.
Hardwick, who saw the premiership hopes of his team dashed in the two-point defeat, tweeted a popular GIF featuring reality series Big Brother star Elissa Slater spraying Sprite everywhere in a fit of laughter in response to a Fox Footy post.
The original Fox Footy post read: 'A player's reaction is reportedly taken into account before viewing score review footage'.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/03/01/62009303-11175041-Hardwick_tweeted_a_series_of_laughing_emojis_and_a_GIF_when_resp-a-19_1662163505098.jpg)
Hardwick tweeted a series of laughing emojis and a GIF when responding to a post from Fox Footy on Lynch's 'goal'
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/03/01/62009319-11175041-Magpies_star_Cox_tweeted_me_this_week_even_if_the_ball_goes_out_-a-17_1662163505094.jpg)
Magpies star Cox tweeted 'me this week even if the ball goes out on the full'¿#ARC - it was accompanied by an meme featuring American actor Will Ferrell from the movie Wedding Crashers.
Cox, who will play Geelong at the MCG on Saturday afternoon, was on the same page, tweeting 'me this week even if the ball goes out on the full'…#ARC
It was accompanied by an meme featuring American actor Will Ferrell celebrating in a dressing robe from the movie Wedding Crashers.
In what were incredible scenes with the game on the line on Thursday, Tigers star Lynch saw his snap originally given as a goal by the on-field umpire.
Seconds later Lynch's joy turned to despair as the decision was overturned by the video review system based on the opinion the Sherrin would have hit the post if it extended further in the air.
It then emerged player reactions are used as evidence by the video review system, meaning Lynch's lukewarm reaction may have cost his side victory.
AFL reporter Tom Browne confirmed on Channel 7 that player reactions are a metric used in the video review process.
'I was told from a reliable source that they do look at the player reaction as a guide and then look at the evidence,' he said.
Former St Kilda player and coach Grant Thomas labelled the video review system a 'circus' following the incident.
'We have an umpire and technology system. Umpire makes the call, then it's either supported or overturned by the tech system. If ARC can't decide, it's umpires call… simple. If we are then going to player reactions in an elimination final, that's a circus right there. Amateur hour.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-11175041/Tigers-coach-Damien-Hardwick-Magpie-star-Mason-Cox-hilariously-weigh-video-review-saga.html
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Grant Thomas:
Why does this ring a bell???? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)
How have the Tigers gone for free kicks since?
Umpire department definitely doesn’t appreciate sage advice.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbtGHdBaUAArgDc?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/Thomo_Grant/status/1565922395906785281
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Not going to change the result and doesn't excuse our own stupidity with one minute to go, but watching the Ch 7 replay of Lynch's shot, Harris Andrews moves off the mark before the ump calls play on. The other Brisbane players lined up to the side of Lynch don't move yet which is a give away too. Not only that Andrews is not in a flat-footed "Stand" position either. Andrews has his feet in a ready to charge off the mark stance. Should have been 50 and another shot directly in front from the goalsquare.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565474934817693699
Happy Mad Monday everybody :P.
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Another angle of the shot from down the ground to the left of the goals which also has the scoreboard vision looking from the right side of the goals.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/CherylCritchley/status/1566372949904732160
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Not going to change the result and doesn't excuse our own stupidity with one minute to go, but watching the Ch 7 replay of Lynch's shot, Harris Andrews moves off the mark before the ump calls play on. The other Brisbane players lined up to the side of Lynch don't move yet which is a give away too. Not only that Andrews is not in a flat-footed "Stand" position either. Andrews has his feet in a ready to charge off the mark stance. Should have been 50 and another shot directly in front from the goalsquare.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565474934817693699
Happy Mad Monday everybody :P.
I actually missed this, but you are completely right. Andrews runs forwards 3-4 steps over the mark as Lynch is coming in. Lynch doesn't deviate off the line so there's no reason to call play on. Oh man ... :-\
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Not going to change the result and doesn't excuse our own stupidity with one minute to go, but watching the Ch 7 replay of Lynch's shot, Harris Andrews moves off the mark before the ump calls play on. The other Brisbane players lined up to the side of Lynch don't move yet which is a give away too. Not only that Andrews is not in a flat-footed "Stand" position either. Andrews has his feet in a ready to charge off the mark stance. Should have been 50 and another shot directly in front from the goalsquare.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565474934817693699
Happy Mad Monday everybody :P.
I actually missed this, but you are completely right. Andrews runs forwards 3-4 steps over the mark as Lynch is coming in. Lynch doesn't deviate off the line so there's no reason to call play on. Oh man ... :-\
Did Andrews start behind the mark and therefore could run forward?
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Not going to change the result and doesn't excuse our own stupidity with one minute to go, but watching the Ch 7 replay of Lynch's shot, Harris Andrews moves off the mark before the ump calls play on. The other Brisbane players lined up to the side of Lynch don't move yet which is a give away too. Not only that Andrews is not in a flat-footed "Stand" position either. Andrews has his feet in a ready to charge off the mark stance. Should have been 50 and another shot directly in front from the goalsquare.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565474934817693699
Happy Mad Monday everybody :P.
I actually missed this, but you are completely right. Andrews runs forwards 3-4 steps over the mark as Lynch is coming in. Lynch doesn't deviate off the line so there's no reason to call play on. Oh man ... :-\
Did Andrews start behind the mark and therefore could run forward?
The stand rule says you must stand. Players can go 5mtrs back behind the mark & avoid the stand rule, but they still have to wait for the play on call before coming forward. Harris is leaning against the post (inside that 5mtr perimeter) when Lynch starts his approach. Either way Harris has broken the stand rule right in front of the umpire ...
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Stuff me that's unbelievable, the only time they have missed it all year and it decides a final
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I think Lynch was telling the umpires that to that he come of the mark if you notice and his reaction was referring to that. Our club should question these decisions bewildering corrupt and cheating organisation.
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Clearly not a behind. If the left/mid cameras are in sync, its a goal. If mid/right and left/right are in sync, its a behind.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbsFKeIakAArR-N?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Satoshisbits/status/1565850976082612224
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Amazingly 7 of Brisbanes goals were from free kicks including 2 x 50 metre penalties
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https://mobile.twitter.com/tigers42020/status/1566548216178282497
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"I honestly believe Richmond supporters deserve an explanation why that was deemed a point."
Caroline Wilson on the Tom Lynch goal review controversy, as she says the AFL is set to make a change to its goal review process.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1566759971261485060
Hutchy believes and Caro said she's spoken to someone closely involved that said the AFL has extra vision that shows the ARC decision was right but they won't show it to the public. Lloyd responded by questioning why they wouldn't show it if they have it.
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There is no other vision. They are stuffen liars
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Hutchy believes and Caro said she's spoken to someone closely involved that said the AFL has extra vision that shows the ARC decision was right but they won't show it to the public. Lloyd responded by questioning why they wouldn't show it if they have it.
Reminds me of that South Park episode about the Mormons
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‘Bet on your kids’ lives’: Tigers probe controversial score review as details of new vision revealed
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
September 6th, 2022
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has revealed the AFL is set to take the club through the controversial video system review call that cost the Tigers in their elimination final loss to Brisbane amid speculation there was undisclosed vision used.
Tom Lynch had a chance to seal the win for Richmond with a shot in the dying minutes that sailed over the goalpost and was initially called a goal before getting overturned despite the video replay appearing to show inconclusive evidence — a decision eventually ticked off by the league.
Hardwick slammed the ARC following the game, saying the technology “wasn’t good enough,” and if it couldn’t be improved, called for the score review be scrapped altogether.
Speaking on Fox Footy’s AFL 360, the Tigers boss confirmed the club is investigating whether there’s another camera angle the ARC used, and that if so, thinks fans are entitled to see it.
“We thought we owed it upon ourselves, fans and players to go through the process. (AFL footy operations boss) Brad (Scott) and the AFL have offered to step us through the process at some stage,” Hardwick said.
“I thought there was a precedent set that if there wasn’t adequate vision to assess the situation, it went back to the umpire’s call. That was the thing that alarmed me at that stage.”
Hardwick says his definition of definitive decision is “bet on your kids’ lives it’s a goal or a point”.
“People talk about Tom’s reaction — Tom was blinded by the lights ... there’s not enough vision to make definitive decision that’s right. We’ve either got to get the technology to the level it needs to be, or we let the man under the under the post make the decision,” he said.
“It cost people jobs, it cost our club millions of millions of dollars … if we were good enough we should’ve won anyway, but imagine if a grand final was defined by that moment right there.”
AFL 360 co-host Gerard Whateley highlighted there’s now an “extreme example” of the effectiveness of the score review given it’s “defined” a team’s season.
Melbourne coach Simon Goodwin also weighed in on the matter, saying he was “shocked” by how the events played out on Thursday night.
And he backed Hardwick’s call to either improve the technology or remove the score review completely.
“We’ve all sat through these enough to know when it gets to a decision if it’s not definitive, it goes back to umpire’s call,” he said.
“We’ve got to get the technology to a standard where we’re not in this situation, or we stick to process, or we get rid of it altogether, that’s where we’re at with it.”
Channel 9’s Footy Classified host Craig Hutchison revealed the AFL had extra vision of Lynch’s shot that hasn’t be shown, calling for the league to “show us everything you see.”
Veteran journalist Caroline Wilson says she was also told there’s undisclosed vision and that it indicates it was a point, but believes Richmond supporters deserve an explanation on how it reached the outcome.
Wilson also hit out at the league for how it handled the matter, and believes there’ll be changes made to the process in future as the league also explores introducing extra field umpires.
“All the AFL could say to me when I’ve spoken to them is that it was a point and that he should’ve kicked it better,” she said.
“No one has explained how they overruled the goal umpire ... my understanding is probably there’ll be no onus on the goal umpire in future to make a call. The umpire will just say, ‘I don’t know what it was, we’re having a review.’
“(The league is adding) Four field umpires, they’re working towards six at some point and no boundary umpires — I think it’s going to be a different world.
“I thought there was a smugness about the AFL. They had a brilliant weekend, but that was messy and any excuse to have a crack at Damien Hardwick ... any excuse to pick on Richmond.
“You just feel it dates back before the hub, but they didn’t like Richmond’s behaviour in 2020, and they’re still banging on about it.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-richmond-tigers-goal-review-tom-lynch-shot-arc-damien-hardwick-reaction-video-elimination-final-loss-to-brisbane-lions/news-story/20f16fc08dd3ca7f6d020b576ab5acef
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It stinks, as does the non-50, but in terms of what the actual players can control we still really crapped the bed.
Those two kicked I50 late, think it was Baker and MRJ? Lynch should have nailed the goal. Someone should have spoiled the Daniher goal.
We made our bed, ARC or not, and given how we played honestly it's probably for the best that we get pick 12 instead of taking a win and dropping down the draft as we were clearly never going to get near the flag with this leaky defence.
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KANE CORNES CALLS OUT HARDWICK AND RICHMOND OVER GOAL UMPIRE COMPLAINTS
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
8 September 2022
Kane Cornes has slammed Richmond and coach Damien Hardwick for continuing to question the controversial ARC decision in their Elimination Final loss to Brisbane.
The ARC determined there was sufficient evidence to clearly overturn Tom Lynch’s goal late in the game, with Hardwick stating on Tuesday they were still seeking clarification on the call.
Cornes says the Tigers have a history of making excuses and complaining and that this is just the latest example.
“What you’re hearing from the AFL is that they can’t believe the carry-on from Richmond over this and in particular Damien Hardwick as well,” he told SEN’s Whateley.
“The complaints that have come from Richmond over a long period of time is now getting to the point where you are just a flat-out whinger.
“If you look at some of the things he has complained about – they’ve complained about Sydney’s defensive tactics in a 2020 game … complained about dew on the ground, complained about Marvel Stadium, he complained about a VFL player this year and admitted to overstepping the mark, complained about the close contact rule with Sydney Stack during the pandemic, complained about a late umpiring call in the Round 11 game versus Sydney this year and have complained for a week about a goal review.
“The goal review which was the wrong process, but was probably the right call. He probably missed and Tom Lynch’s reaction was reflective of that.”
Cornes speculates that Brendon Gale has been marked down in the race to be the next AFL CEO because of the club’s reputation for complaining.
“Perhaps this is why Brendon Gale isn’t the automatic replacement for Gillon McLachlan as CEO because he hasn’t been able to control Damien Hardwick,” the former Port Adelaide midfielder said.
“This guy has done everything, he’s perfect to take over from Gil, why isn’t he just the automatic CEO of the AFL, well perhaps because he can’t control Hardwick and his constant complaining and petulance really.
“Not a great reflection on Damien and Brendon Gale when you look at the fact that one other tactic could have won them the game – just put someone on Lachie Neale. Give him some respect.
“Maybe one of the five defenders in the goal square, just spoil the ball over the line. Don’t concede 16 goals in a final. I think there’s other areas they should be focusing on, not a goal review.
“It’s now publicly become a big story and the AFL are a bit bemused as to why the carry-on has gone on so long. Of course you’re aggrieved and he spoke about it in his post-match press conference and that was the platform to do that.
“You get the footy manager to get a clarification email from the AFL on Monday, but to still be wanting a detailed explanation a week on when there’s so many areas in that game that cost them, and perhaps Lynch didn’t actually kick the goal, it comes across as petulant.
“It’s a build-up of events over time and I don’t think it’s a good reflection of the football club.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/08/kane-cornes-calls-out-hardwick-and-richmond-over-goal-umpire-complaints/
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So it's "insufficient evidence" this week ::).
The reviewing ump didn't use the Edge (was it working?) to see if the ball hit the post so just went with umpire's call.
AFL making it up as they go :banghead.
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Yep just like that Sydney game where we heard that judgement call or whatever it is
Making it up as they go as long as it’s against Richmond
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Did they just say that to trigger Richmond fans lol.
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Yep just like that Sydney game where we heard that judgement call or whatever it is
Making it up as they go as long as it’s against Richmond
They called it common sense Chuck
And as we know common sense is not common at HQ
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick had a personal tour of the AFL’s ARC system on Monday as the league considers a major tweak to its goal review protocols next year.
https://twitter.com/sirgood4nothing/status/1569285933220134912
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AFL weighs up scrapping key part of score review to avoid repeat of Tigers elimination final drama
Max Laughton
Fox Sports
September 12th, 2022 8:24 pm
The AFL will consider scrapping the “soft call” as part of the score review system, which could avoid a repeat of the Tom Lynch elimination final drama.
The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph reports the league is weighing up a change which would mean the goal umpire is not forced to make a call before referring the incident to the AFL Review Centre (ARC).
It would mean the ARC operator could study the footage and make a call using the extra evidence provided, rather than needing to overturn an existing decision. It would also remove circumstances where the operator reverts to ‘umpire’s call’ because of a lack of clear evidence.
It comes after the league invited Richmond coach Damien Hardwick into the ARC to examine the processes involved in the Lynch behind.
Lynch’s kick late in the elimination final loss to Brisbane was originally called a goal by the umpire on the scene, but the ARC determined there was sufficient evidence to overturn it into a behind, believing the ball had crossed over the top of the goalpost.
“Two and a half weeks after the Tom Lynch goal that wasn’t a goal, he’s (Hardwick) been brought in by the AFL for really constructive discussions,” Jon Ralph explained on Fox Footy’s On the Couch.
“He had a personal tour of the ARC with Tim Livingstone (Richmond GM of football performance), he had it explained to him by not only Brad Scott (AFL GM of football) but also Andrew Dillon (AFL GM of football operations). And I believe there’s a significant tweak to the goal review system the AFL is considering.
“What we have now is the goal umpire is forced to make a decision, the soft call, goal or behind - even if, in this case, they have no idea.
“So I think what they could do next year, is if they are totally confused, you refer it without that soft call which means the people in the ARC make a decision on balance of probabilities.
“The AFL’s view is because this was called a goal and then overturned, there was all this hysteria when I think we saw that vision from the crowd after and said it was probably a behind.”
He added: “There’ll be some trial of the ball-tracking system. It might cost money but if it costs millions, and we got a definitive call, I think you’d be on board.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2022-score-review-change-get-rid-of-soft-call-rule-changes-arc-tom-lynch-behind-damien-hardwick-richmond/news-story/d16da7466c29b4f5af422da0f3a61dc4
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More smoke and mirrors designed to avoid any chance of ever having to admit to a mistake. AFL HQ are stuffwits
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Load of bs as you mention a smokescreen to avoid fault and admit it was a mistake so was it a goal or a point still no answer.
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Being reported the AFL said it was a point based on the crowd vision! Can you stuffen believe this circus!
Someone with an iPhone in the crowd has a better angle and vision than a billion dollar AFL industry and high tech ARC system.
All I want to know is who has been sacked over this farce!
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Being reported the AFL said it was a point based on the crowd vision! Can you stuffen believe this circus!
Someone with an iPhone in the crowd has a better angle and vision than a billion dollar AFL industry and high tech ARC system.
All I want to know is who has been sacked over this farce!
Can't make this circus up we're was that reported?.
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I thought we just go by the players' reaction? At least that's what they said two weeks ago!
So when Harris Andrews looks like he just found a turd in his soup we still call the kick from Lynch a behind?
No? So the greatest actor wont get the most favourable decision now? How un-AFL-like ... ::)
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In essence there changing the rules to cover there ass and mistakes pathetic.
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Being reported the AFL said it was a point based on the crowd vision! Can you stuffen believe this circus!
Someone with an iPhone in the crowd has a better angle and vision than a billion dollar AFL industry and high tech ARC system.
All I want to know is who has been sacked over this farce!
Can't make this circus up we're was that reported?.
Ralph said it on On the Couch tonight
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Jon Ralph's article in the HeraldSun:
Damien Hardwick tours ARC as league considers tweak of system
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick had a personal tour of the AFL’s ARC system on Monday as the league considers a major tweak to its goal review protocols next year.
The Herald Sun understands Hardwick and his football boss Tim Livingstone met AFL officials Andrew Dillon and Brad Scott two weeks after the goal review that cost Richmond its finals spot.
Hardwick has been a persistent critic of the goal review system, believing there is not enough common sense incorporated into its protocols.
The high-powered meeting was said to be conducted in good spirits as the AFL explained the exact system in detail and Hardwick made clear what he believes to be the weakness of the ARC goal review.
The decision from the goal umpire in the elimination final to initially rule Tom Lynch’s kick a goal meant Richmond fans were shattered when the decision was ultimately overturned.
The AFL is expected to explore whether next year a goal umpire who is unsure about whether a decision is a goal or a behind still has to give a “soft” call.
Under the ARC system the bunker needs definitive proof to overturn the initial call, but there could be an option that sees the umpires immediately referring a lineball decision without initially calling it a goal or behind.
It would allow the ARC officials to make their own ruling without it being influenced by the initial “soft” call from the goal umpire.
They would also have more flexibility in deciding on all available video evidence whether it was more likely a goal or behind without having to find definitive proof that would flip an existing call.
Instead they would simply rule on whether they believed it was a goal or behind after assessing every angle.
Subsequent angles from social media showed that Lynch’s kick that would have sealed the game most likely sailed directly over the goalpost.
The Herald Sun revealed last month the AFL is likely to trial advanced technology involving microchips in balls next year to assess whether it is possible to introduce a Hawkeye-style system in the AFL.
That ball-tracking technology has already been brought into Super Rugby by the Sportable sports technology firm.
Hardwick has been criticised for “whingeing” about the goal umpire system but he has long been a persistent and consistent critic of its weaknesses.
He said after the loss the goal review system was not up to scratch.
“I just feel the technology is not good enough and hasn’t been for a long time,” he said. “Clearly it’s indecisive still. The whole thing is the technology is not to the level where it needs to be. So either get it better or get rid of it.”
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said last week there is subjectivity in every call including those made by the goal umpires and bunker.
“I reckon technology is always going to have its limits. I think the goal review generally has been fantastic, but there is not a sport in the world where there are not specific instances where people have to make subjective calls and that is the nature of our game and the nature of sport,” he said.
“There are calls being made every moment of the game. That call was made, frankly, from where I was sitting behind, it was a point.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-damien-hardwick-tours-arc-as-league-considers-tweak-of-system/news-story/d1844179d88439c4a2053b53639a089d
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Fu k off Gilligan as if you’d have a better view than the goal umpire
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Show us the vision Gill then bunch of cheats ?? Now we're going off we're you were sitting what a mess this incident is so dirty.
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Hold on a minute
So I'm clear
Within 48 hours of the decision the AFL ticked it off. Said there was clear vision to prove it was a point. But vision they've never released.
Now 2 weeks later there is a suggestion that the proof is the "crowd vision "
Seriously? What the?
This means that there was no other vision and they stuffed up.
Just admit you stuffed up and we move on. None of us will like it, we'll still be peeved but at least there is some sort end to it
Just more of the same from HQ. Stupidity, excuses ans no accountability
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This just proves without doubt that the AFL is an incompetent bunch of liars
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https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1569463416032755715
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Hold on a minute
So I'm clear
Within 48 hours of the decision the AFL ticked it off. Said there was clear vision to prove it was a point. But vision they've never released.
Now 2 weeks later there is a suggestion that the proof is the "crowd vision "
Seriously? What the?
This means that there was no other vision and they stuffed up.
Just admit you stuffed up and we move on. None of us will like it, we'll still be peeved but at least there is some sort end to it
Just more of the same from HQ. Stupidity, excuses and no accountability
Hang on again!
How did the ARC reviewer have access to "crowd vision"? :huh3
The AFL just blatantly lying now :thumbsdown.
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AFL need to sanction itself for bringing the game into disrepute
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Hold on a minute
So I'm clear
Within 48 hours of the decision the AFL ticked it off. Said there was clear vision to prove it was a point. But vision they've never released.
Now 2 weeks later there is a suggestion that the proof is the "crowd vision "
Seriously? What the?
This means that there was no other vision and they stuffed up.
Just admit you stuffed up and we move on. None of us will like it, we'll still be peeved but at least there is some sort end to it
Just more of the same from HQ. Stupidity, excuses ans no accountability
The ARC checked with Gill on the night who was apparently sitting somewhere he could see it and he texted them it was a point
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Dimma last night on AFL360 was asked about his trip to the ARC:
Robbo: How's the ARC?
Whateley: Every day Richmond supporters are asking where's the definitive version. Did you see anything that left you walking away going 'ok that was definitive'?
Hardwick: What I will say is they were terrific the people in the ARC. We had Scotty there, Dills, Dan Richardson and two other gentlemen that were terrific. And they went through exactly their process and were adament that the way they went through it came to the conclusion they got. To us it was ... and our biggest thing was the process. If I sat there and the goal umpire made the decision that it was a behind, based on that vision I couldn't categorically say it was a goal. So I would be happy with the umpire's call. So it was more about the process. To the AFL's credit, I think what they are now doing is they are going to say the [goal] umpire doesn't have to make a decision which is really really smart. There was never going to be a great right or wrong answer if that makes sense. At the end of the day, we're really happy with the process they took us through.
Whateley: They didn't send you away with some laminated freeze frame to say this is the one?
Hardwick: They had some form of triangulation. My head started to explode at one stage. I thought I was looking up at the moons aligning and thought I don't know what is going on.
Robbo: You got a win because the umpire next year doesn't have to make a decision.
Hardwick: They are trying to get it better which is the important thing. And to the AFL's credit, they are always trying to improve the game.
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Sounded to me Dimma was gagged and not convinced at all.
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Of course he stuffing was.
The AFL have bullied everyone into not speaking one ill word about their precious performance; umpiring, goal umpiring, political agenda all is a no comment area the AFL enforces.
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Sounded to me Dimma was gagged and not convinced at all.
Sounded to me like he was completely unconvinced by their BS but recognises what’s done is done
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To steal from CH, if you gave the AFL an enema you could bury it in a matchbox.
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It's a shame Dimma didn't understand triangulation otherwise he could have ripped the AFL/ARC to shreds right in front of them. To use it you need in sync HD cameras with high frame rates to track the ball properly within the microsecond from different angles. The ARC clearly doesn't have that as if they did then ALL three cameras they showed us on the night would've showed the ball over the post simultaneously. The fact there was barely two camera angles that possibly did while the third clearly didn't demonstrates the cameras were either not in sync and/or had frame rates that were inadequate to make a definitive decision. The vision definitely isn't HD given how blurry it is.
All up though Dimma is right about us being upset with the process. If the goal ump has signaled a point then no one would be complaining. It's the fact the goal umpire signaled a goal and the ARC didn't follow the process of needing to show "definitive" proof to overrule the goal ump is what has ticked us all off. The ARC is meant to prevent and overrule clear howlers; not overrule the goal ump because they think differently in a 50/50 scenario to the goal ump.
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How does removing the umpires call fix any of this? Just saves the afl embarrassment of when the ARC stuffs up is all I can see it doing.
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So Hocking must be rubbing his sweaty hands together as his plan comes to fruition. Netball rules in place for his darlings hopefully they do their regular choke or will the fix be in
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How does removing the umpires call fix any of this? Just saves the afl embarrassment of when the ARC stuffs up is all I can see it doing.
Further to that
What happens if the faulty ARC system says they can not determine if something is a goal? What then? They go back to the ump or do they just guess?
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How does removing the umpires call fix any of this? Just saves the afl embarrassment of when the ARC stuffs up is all I can see it doing.
Further to that
What happens if the faulty ARC system says they can not determine if something is a goal? What then? They go back to the ump or do they just guess?
I’d imagine with the goal umpires call being removed the arc will be responsible for making the decisions as best as they can with the footage that they’ll have. Majority of the time their footage is much worse then what the goal umpire can see live so it doesn’t really make sense
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Takes what makes our game great away, human error along with the shape of the ball makes it it unpredictable . To have electrical monitors turns it into a video game and not a ball game. How does such a biased narcissist get so much power to makes changes unless it’s with the blessing of the afl board . Constant rules changes are without the support of the majority of members,
And they wonder why people are so frustrated as the game we love has been hijacked by the AFL idealists and sections of the media
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One of the worst goal umpiring decisions you'll ever see. The ball clearly went through the middle but was given a point :huh3. The Swans lost by just 4 pts so the decision in the end cost them the game.
https://twitter.com/DanielCherny/status/1582242279091503110
Until the AFL get serious about the worsening standard of officiating rather than shooting [fining] the messengers who point it out then these game costing howlers will only continue.
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What the hell. It wasn't even close to the post lol
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Well I have been saying the standard of umpiring in the AFLW gets worse every season
With that dear reader I rest my case
But will just add if that happened in the AFL the media, the fans would be going berserk.
And I'll finish with this...
I understand why people are critical of the standard of the AFLW, I get it. But there is not a doubt in my mind, having followed the comp since it started 6 years ago that the pathetic standard of umpiring is not helping the competition and any way shape or form
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This doesnt surprise me whatsoever, would explain a lot and I reckon it is wide spread amongst the maggots and intot he games as well
https://www.9news.com.au/national/afl-news-police-arrest-four-over-illegal-brownlow-medal-betting/ed23a051-b596-4e76-bbfe-d188dd1d1b8d
AFL umpire among those arrested over alleged suspicious betting on Brownlow Medal
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Umpires and the AFL are quite clearly corrupt, you only have to see the free kick differential ladder every year to figure that out
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AFL Statement
The AFL confirms it has been informed that the Victoria Police Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit have arrested four people in relation to an investigation into suspicious betting activity linked to round-by-round betting on this year’s Brownlow Medal count.
The suspicious betting activity, on bets placed on round-by-round vote getters, triggered a response and notification by one of the AFL’s betting agency partners.
Upon receiving this information, the AFL Integrity unit worked with the AFL’s betting partners to gather further information and in conjunction with Sports Integrity Australia and Victoria Police undertook an investigation.
The AFL and Victoria Police have no information to suggest that the awarding of match day votes was impacted in connection with the suspicious betting activity, as the allegations relate solely to the distribution leaking or improper communication of the 3,2,1 voting outcomes post some specific matches during the season to unauthorised persons.
"In the days following the 2022 Brownlow Medal count, the AFL was made aware of potential suspicious activity by one of our betting agency partners and the AFL Integrity unit immediately gathered further information," AFL EGM Football and General Counsel Andrew Dillon said.
"Given the nature of the alleged activity we engaged Sports Integrity Australia and Victoria Police to assist with the matter.
"I want to stress that neither Victoria Police, nor the AFL have information to suggest that the outcome of the Brownlow Medal was impacted as the allegations relate solely to the leaking or improper communication of the 3,2,1 voting outcomes of some specific matches during the season.
"Post-game, the Brownlow votes are sealed and stored in a secure off-site location and not opened until they are delivered on stage on Brownlow night. The sealed vote cards are audited throughout the season by KPMG."
Brownlow Medal round-by-round betting markets only open post the home and away season.
Victoria Police has informed the AFL that one of the four persons arrested this morning is an AFL umpire.
The AFL will continue to assist Victoria Police with the on-going investigation.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/865950/afl-statement-brownlow-medal
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This doesnt surprise me whatsoever, would explain a lot and I reckon it is wide spread amongst the maggots and intot he games as well
https://www.9news.com.au/national/afl-news-police-arrest-four-over-illegal-brownlow-medal-betting/ed23a051-b596-4e76-bbfe-d188dd1d1b8d
AFL umpire among those arrested over alleged suspicious betting on Brownlow Medal
Umpires and the AFL are quite clearly corrupt, you only have to see the free kick differential ladder every year to figure that out
First question is - has this umpire officiated any Richmond matches and if so which ones?
Second question is - has this umpire been involved in any ARC decisions and if so in which games?
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Michael Pell named as the umpire in question on the HeraldSun website.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/probe-into-brownlow-count-amid-betting-scandal/news-story/e7491e676ca07973770c6b40229ae681
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On the odd occasion I get the inkling that certain umpires are not just looking for the 'free kick of the week', or the 'SHocking told me to' ruling, sometimes they are going with another specific agenda that seems to affect their decision making ...
Like Prestia getting KO'd against ... umm ... that team I keep forgetting ... while the game is allowed to continue for several minutes until a goal is kicked & THEN the game is stopped, is one of those inklings.
2 great questions MT, I'd like to see them answered too.
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Michael Pell named as the umpire in question on the HeraldSun website.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/probe-into-brownlow-count-amid-betting-scandal/news-story/e7491e676ca07973770c6b40229ae681
Hmm ... Pell ... nope, nothing pops to mind regarding any Pells' ... :P
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Pell umpired 3 of our games out of curiosity.
Result Free kick count
R21, 2021 vs North Won by 33 18 - 15 ....... this was Pell's AFL umpire debut.
R4, 2022 vs Bulldogs Won by 38 15 - 25
R18, 2022 vs North Lost by 4 21 - 18 ..... Nank copped 6 frees against in the ruck and none for.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/umpires/Michael_Pell.html
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames.html
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There’s been no allegations as to him umpiring games corruptly so far has there? I mean it’s obviously possible but all I’ve read unless it’s be missed something is that he’s leaked who he’s given 3, 2, 1 votes to in the games he’s umpired.
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Well hopefully it's a major wake up for the AFL commission and executive. They have created an environment devoid of any critiqued accountability for umpiring performance. While this situation is not actully based on "performance", the risk is to great to operate with an environment free from criticism. Any sport that has betting must operate high and consistent standards.
2022 certainly was not high standards.... Actually it was a absolute 💯 disgrace, disaster and a disappointment for all fans. A year when an Umpire has been caught in a gambling scandal.
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Games Michael Pell umpired - Who I expected to get the 3 votes as well as their probability against who actually got the 3 votes and what I expected their probability to be.
I don't know if you can draw any conclusions here, I probably wouldn't but interesting nonetheless
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https://twitter.com/SgtButane/status/1592089378876428288
Need to do the same/something for other umps if you want to do anything quantitative
https://twitter.com/MatterOfStats/status/1592090961769037828
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I wonder if the AFL should or would consider a steward system like horse racing codes?
Stewards that oversee players and umpiring..
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I wonder if the AFL should or would consider a steward system like horse racing codes?
Stewards that oversee players and umpiring..
Yeah like that works! Any place you can make money for little work will mean crooks are involved.
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Bets were allegedly laid on more than 10 matches Pell umpired.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bets-were-allegedly-laid-on-more-than-10-matches-michael-pell-umpired-20221115-p5byl4.html
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The AFL will soon announce four field umpires for matches in 2023.
There won’t be any emergency field umpires so if there’s an injury, they’ll revert back to three.
Nine field umpires have been promoted ahead of next season, AFL will have a senior list of 40-42.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1595180783643152384
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Oh great, we can have extra inconsistently this year and as they will need to justify their existence some extra tiggy touchwood frees. The AFL is an appalling dictatorship, I haven’t heard anyone begging for more ways to make the game unwatchable
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What are they fielding a third team or something fmd
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There's a job vacancy in the AFL's Arc!
https://twitter.com/TheRunHomeSEN/status/1600329938443173895
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THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF AFL RULES (1858-2022)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l-6coF8zQIU/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6coF8zQIU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6coF8zQIU
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‘Rocky’ start expected for AFL’s new four umpire system
The most experienced AFL umpire ever has warned footy fans that the AFL’s four umpire system may not be smooth sailing initially with concerns about a shortage in umpire talent.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2023-depth-concerns-emerge-over-new-fourumpire-system/news-story/675ba50ab2e01916aab70242044e905f
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And playing in the season opener, it's likely we'll cop this lack of "smooth sailing initially" from the umps based on recent past years :help.
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The AFL has made a major change just weeks out from the new season, moving from three to four field umpires in every game.
@cleary_mitch @7AFL #7NEWS
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1627931010833977346
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With a 4th umpire does that mean we will get 25% more free kicks against us??
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The AFL has made a major change just weeks out from the new season, moving from three to four field umpires in every game.
@cleary_mitch @7AFL #7NEWS
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1627931010833977346
The other week at match simulation there were 4 field umpires.
Mitch Clearly made it sound like it is something that will happen rd 1 with no trialling.
Talk about creating a headline out of nothing
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Observation of 4 umps:
1) More frees paid.
2) More umps with no idea.
3) Don't expect any change for the better regarding our free kick differential :P.
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Not surprised, another alteration to the game without consultation
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Observation of 4 umps:
1) More frees paid.
2) More umps with no idea.
3) Don't expect any change for the better regarding our free kick differential :P.
Spot on!
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We need to prepare ourselves for a world record shafting in round 1 guaranteed....
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We need to make some sort of protest posters for the game.
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The "insufficient intent" call today against Ross was just ridiculous. The total lack of understanding of the conditions by the umps with the strong breeze dragging kicks towards the camera-side boundary. How can you claim "insufficient intent" on a 50m kick out of traffic from defence to the wing where a teammate (Miller) was in the vicinity. It's one step away from the AFLW's last touch rule if you're pinging crap like that.
As for the 'Stand' rule - love how the umps allowed Norf players to not have to go behind the mark. Starting alongside the man on the mark isn't behind the mark, umps!
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Frees were 3-8 in the last quarter with Norf getting three of theirs inside their F50.
Also add the ball hitting the ground which was paid a mark (and goal) to Norf just before 3/4 time. Pausing the replay clearly shows the ball touching the turf ::).
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I am thinking of counting how many free kick goals and behinds against us this year. Would be interesting. I felt a quarter of Norths goals were from direct free kicks.
2022, felt the same too. Some where there thanks to our stupidity, some harsh calls.
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The AFL confirming what they already said they were doing :huh3.
AFL introduces fourth umpire
A fourth field umpire will be introduced for the 2023 Toyota AFL Premiership Season
The AFL Football Department has communicated to clubs the introduction of a fourth umpire to be implemented for the 2023 Toyota AFL Premiership Season.
AFL Head of Umpiring, Dan Richardson said that the introduction of a fourth umpire will progress the game for both the officials and players.
“The fourth umpire will optimise decision making, allowing umpires to be in better positions to adjudicate a contest – whether they are stoppages through the midfield or marking contests at either end of the ground," Richardson said.
“Having two umpires at stoppages also acts as a strong deterrent to off-the-ball players from engaging in undisciplined play. Umpires will also be able to manage off ball situations more effectively.
"We have conducted more than 600 club visits over the pre-season seeking significant feedback from club coaching staff and players around the positioning of the four umpires and their movement patterns.
"We thank the clubs for their input and feel we are well prepared as we head into the 2023 season,” said Richardson.
AFL General Manager of Umpiring Lisa Lawry said that the introduction of the fourth umpire has the dual benefit of accelerating the development of the next generation of umpires as well as extending the careers of experienced umpires with the reduction of physical demands.
“With the reduction in physical demands and adding more positions to our umpiring team this will strengthen our work in performance, growth, and development of umpiring pathways – ensuring a strong, diverse and appealing pathway from community through to the elite level,” Lawry said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/878264/afl-introduces-fourth-umpire
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If this is what we're in for in 2023 the game is in trouble. The 100 goal a year forward may come back.
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Yeah agree on that
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I agree also used to watch most games and most levels of footy but it has become hard to watch the game at any level and that includes watching us.
The game has been for want of a better way to say it buggered.
Give a short time and we will be playing a version of Gaelic footy. Yeah Na to that thanks. In the future the game cannot survive despite all the self interest from the media.
Last what ever happened in every thing we do we take responsibility for the decisions we make. The trouble with the game smacks us all in the face. If choose to play afl i know there is contact and i know Iwill get knocks to the head but i choose to play anyway. Dont change the game i used to box when i was young but i always knew the consequences. The game is SUPPOSED TO BE A CONTACT SPORT but the contact is being legislated out in the name of god knows what. If you want to box or do Mixed martial arts or play footy then you play knowing you can get hurt and there may be consequences long term. Leave the freakin game alone Take responsibility for your self and leave the game a freakin alone.
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https://twitter.com/mallen101/status/1635160724011118592
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Loved the play in the last quarter where 3 blues in a row got tackled and dropped the ball then Shai picks the ball up and gets it knocked out of his hand and gets done for a free against
It’s farcical
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Loved the play in the last quarter where 3 blues in a row got tackled and dropped the ball then Shai picks the ball up and gets it knocked out of his hand and gets done for a free against
It’s farcical
Yeah that one was horse crepe. It left my wondering why a player would even bother trying to pick up the ball.
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Loved the play in the last quarter where 3 blues in a row got tackled and dropped the ball then Shai picks the ball up and gets it knocked out of his hand and gets done for a free against
It’s farcical
Yeah that one was horse crepe. It left my wondering why a player would even bother trying to pick up the ball.
I said the same thing lol but overall didn’t think they were particularly bad tonight.
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They weren’t. Let a bit go and a few dodgy calls both ways
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Not bad tonight, but Cripps could rip the head off a baby and they'd still call play on.
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I thought they cost us the game. Once we hit the front in the 3rd they screwed us at every opportunity
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No issue with them tonight. A few howlers as there always is but compared to previous seasons they were good.
I am still totally confused by the prior opportunity nonsense. They said they were going to crack down on blokes thwt do 3060 spins while being tackled but all they did tonight was go flappity, flap, flap and say play on (for both sides)
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I can't believe I'm saying it but thought they did pretty well. Round 1 as well, few mistakes but no howlers IMO.
If that's the starting point and it improves then good on them I guess. Normally very critical of umps but they did ok tonight.
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How did they miss the 50mtr penalty to Marlion in the first when the Carlton player returned the ball to his own team mate? It would've seen Marlion shooting from the top of the goalsquare .... :huh
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How did they miss the 50mtr penalty to Marlion in the first when the Carlton player returned the ball to his own team mate? It would've seen Marlion shooting from the top of the goalsquare .... :huh
There is only four umpires give them a break, its not as if one of them could be expected to know the rules
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Umps OK but I'd really like to see more crackdown on deliberately drawing high contact. Shrugging the arm and dropping the knees etc, still seeing too many get paid.
How did they miss the 50mtr penalty to Marlion in the first when the Carlton player returned the ball to his own team mate? It would've seen Marlion shooting from the top of the goalsquare .... :huh
I thought the confusion was honest. If that's the standard for the year that's fine. I have zero confidence they would have treated Pickett the same if the roles were reversed.
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Oh and HTB vs Dusty is just a rule on its own. One of them he got a hospital pass on the boundary and was grabbed immediately = HTB. Total BS.
Otherwise largely OK.
Just wanna see some consistency and toughness.
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:lol
How did they miss the 50mtr penalty to Marlion in the first when the Carlton player returned the ball to his own team mate? It would've seen Marlion shooting from the top of the goalsquare .... :huh
There is only four umpires give them a break, its not as if one of them could be expected to know the rules
:lol :lol
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Another day and another ARC farce.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-demolish-brisbane-as-score-review-controversy-erupts/news-story/371b7f66f9f06e8c7c65e01a8d176832
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Was Taranto's shinned kick forward out of traffic deliberate? :P
https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1637750537700646918
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Umpires that have never played the game and relying on a stuffen text book to tell him how to umpire are never going to do a good job
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Crap call.
Congested, being grabbed, just moving the ball forward.
Not what the rule is for.
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Watching the replay, I'm still wondering how this wasn't a free kick. Unrealistic attempt plus the left arm was over Mansell's shoulder :huh.
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Watching the replay, I'm still wondering how this wasn't a free kick. Unrealistic attempt plus the left arm was over Mansell's shoulder :huh.
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PLAY ON
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Watching the replay, I'm still wondering how this wasn't a free kick. Unrealistic attempt plus the left arm was over Mansell's shoulder :huh.
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You just need to consult the Official AFL Rules MT. I have and outline the relevant extract as follows:
Rule 10.1
It shall be a free kick where a player, whether intentionally or otherwise, makes contact with another player on or above the other player's shoulders.
Rule 10.2
Rule 10.1 does not apply and the umpire shall signal play on where the player infringed wears a guernsey that is black with a yellow sash or yellow with a black sash.
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You just need to consult the Official AFL Rules MT. I have and outline the relevant extract as follows:
Rule 10.1
It shall be a free kick where a player, whether intentionally or otherwise, makes contact with another player on or above the other player's shoulders.
Rule 10.2
Rule 10.1 does not apply and the umpire shall signal play on where the player infringed wears a guernsey that is black with a yellow sash or yellow with a black sash.
:clapping :clapping
Attention all OERItes please read the above and remember it
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At the game and I thought that were going to pay a blocking free kick against Mansell for impeding the run at the ball.
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https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1639545557088628736
Great desperation and tackle by Young on Walker but yet another example of the umps taking forever to make an obvious decision. And they wonder why the tackled player ends up getting slung into the turf. Yes, the players have a duty of care in the tackle but so do the umpires with their decisions.
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https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1639545557088628736
Great desperation and tackle by Young on Walker but yet another example of the umps taking forever to make an obvious decision. And they wonder why the tackled player ends up getting slung into the turf. Yes, the players have a duty of care in the tackle but so do the umpires with their decisions.
:clapping perfectly stated, if the umpires were consistent with the amount of time deemed to be adequate to provide a player opportunity to dispose the ball a lot of these more physical tackles wouldn't eventuate. As someone else mentioned on another forum and probably here, if Dusty gets caught the umps can't get the whistle in their mouth quick enough.
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As I watch the Dogs and Lions i can’t but think Richmond is not the only side where an umpire is close to cheating
And I don’t care who wins
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Increasing the number of umpires doesn't improve underlying poor umpiring and interpreting stupid new rules.
Also, the umps this year stay in their group of 4 from week to week apparently. So, if you have a 'bad' group, how are they meant to learn and improve?
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https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1639545557088628736
Great desperation and tackle by Young on Walker but yet another example of the umps taking forever to make an obvious decision. And they wonder why the tackled player ends up getting slung into the turf. Yes, the players have a duty of care in the tackle but so do the umpires with their decisions.
:clapping perfectly stated, if the umpires were consistent with the amount of time deemed to be adequate to provide a player opportunity to dispose the ball a lot of these more physical tackles wouldn't eventuate. As someone else mentioned on another forum and probably here, if Dusty gets caught the umps can't get the whistle in their mouth quick enough.
Conversely Dangerfield gets a month to dispose of it.
Another huge anomaly is that herb is very rarely played in a f 50 zone
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The early play on calls are shafting us tonight.
There need to be an enquiry into how they get looked after. Deadset.
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The early play on calls are shafting us tonight.
There need to be an enquiry into how they get looked after. Deadset.
I have noticed this. Happened at least twice where we have look inside to pass and barely moved and they've called play on. Why?
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We actually won the free kick count 26-20 :gobdrop.
There were a couple of dodgy non-decisions, but we didn't cop the usual shafting we normally get against Collingwood. At least they didn't get the charity frees they usually do in front of the sticks.
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Some minor inconsistency , but fairer tonight without too many howlers unlike the game last night
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Umpires were OK
I actually like this team of 4, keeping them together plan
They will get used to umpiring together and understand each better IMHO
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We actually won the free kick count 26-20 :gobdrop.
There were a couple of dodgy non-decisions, but we didn't cop the usual shafting we normally get against Collingwood. At least they didn't get the charity frees they usually do in front of the sticks.
It really goes to show how much we’ve fallen in regards to our ferocious pressure and tackling.
The pies on the other hand were copping the free kicks against we used to cop when we used to gang tackle in numbers and third bloke in would hit a head on the way down.
We are a shadow of our former selves and if we can’t get back to that we will struggle to break even let alone make finals this year.
We also aren’t as fit and prepared to work hard both ways preferring to hang in between the arcs.
Lazy footy IMO.
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Umpires were OK
I actually like this team of 4, keeping them together plan
They will get used to umpiring together and understand each better IMHO
I agree. They we much better than some groups. The one thing I don't get is some of the rushed play on calls we get where our player hasn't moved of the mark.
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I thought we got stiffed with some bad decisions but I think I’ve seen the worst double stuff up ever
In the GWS and Blues game Mackay got tackled and dropped the ball so blatantly but there was no free, a GWS player put his hands out and got penalised in front of the Blues goals
Absolutely poo house decision, if i was the GWS president I would be asking for a formal apology for the umps gifting the game to the blues
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I thought we got stiffed with some bad decisions but I think I’ve seen the worst double stuff up ever
In the GWS and Blues game Mackay got tackled and dropped the ball so blatantly but there was no free, a GWS player put his hands out and got penalised in front of the Blues goals
Absolutely poo house decision, if i was the GWS president I would be asking for a formal apology for the umps gifting the game to the blues
Disgraceful
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The Hawtorn match was well umpired I thought.
Our game had heaps of head high contact which seemed to be rubbish
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I don’t mind if they do the rushed play on’s if the applied the same interpretations to Collingwood
Is consistently to much to ask
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The AFL's broad view is that players shouldn't put themselves in the position that saw Coniglio handed a dissent penalty. GWS will ask the AFL for clarification. The AFL stopping short of a definitive decision either way ahead of review tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1642364842282721281
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The AFL should also review how umpires put themselves in such a position to have their decisions questioned when they make such absolute poostuff decisions
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That decision was disgraceful. If the AFL has any spine they would admit the umpire was wrong. Then send him to the VFL based on form.
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That decision was disgraceful. If the AFL has any spine they would admit the umpire was wrong. Then send him to the VFL based on form.
Yep should go to the tribunal and cop four weeks minimum
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Show a person with an ego who took a player questioning a decision as a personal insult
If they can’t be fair independent arbitrators, they shouldn’t be given the role, and now we have 4 ego maniacs , like Ray Chainbelain
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That decision was disgraceful. If the AFL has any spine they would admit the umpire was wrong. Then send him to the VFL based on form.
If they had any spine, they would admit the rule is poo and get rid of it.
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That decision was disgraceful. If the AFL has any spine they would admit the umpire was wrong. Then send him to the VFL based on form.
If they had any spine, they would admit the rule is poo and get rid of it.
Yep.
Umps could previously give a 50m penalty for umpire abuse so I don't see why we need one for dissent.
Makes the players all robots.
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It does really annoy me when players put their arms out for deliberate out of bounds every time the ball goes over the line.
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It does really annoy me when players put their arms out for deliberate out of bounds every time the ball goes over the line.
Yep resembles a soccer game
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AFL Head of Umpiring Dan Richardson has released the following statement on the dissent rule.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsxPszNakAEThua?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1642776228611657728
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BLAH BLAH BLAH
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The admitting that footy isn't black and white, isn't that an indictment of the rules themselves. If the rules of the game were more clearly written then the amount of interpretation, that is the amount of grey, would be reduced significantly in the first instance making it a bit easier for the umpires to adjudicate.
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Former veteran AFL umpire Dean Margetts disagrees with the league’s defence of the dissent free kick paid against GWS star Stephen Coniglio.
Margetts, who now works as Umpiring Operations Manager for the WAFL, believes the AFL has created a free kick that is impossible to adjudicate consistently.
“I have to disagree with the AFL on this one,” Margetts told SEN’s Sportsday WA.
“In my 20 years and 370-odd games I never felt offended or affronted by a player with a passionate plea with their arms out. It’s usually like an emotional plea.
“Look, if a player comes at you pointing and screaming and the mouthguard is coming out – absolutely, that’s demonstrative behaviour for sure, but in the Coniglio case it wasn’t on the TV, it wasn’t on the screen and I think you had to zoom in from behind the goals to even find it.
“I think if we’re not paying that, I’ve got absolutely no doubt in my mind that we’re not saying that’s a missed dissent free kick.
Full article: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/03/former-afl-umpire-disagrees-on-leagues-dissent-ruling/
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Put Margetts in charge.
Please.
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"No one has any idea" - Jack Riewoldt says that players are confused around the dissent rules.
Watch: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1643194948307816449
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‘Scratching my head’: AFL star admits ‘no one has an idea’ after controversial dissent call
Fox Footy from Fox Sports
April 4th, 2023 10:01 pm
Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt believes “no one has an idea” of what constitutes umpire dissent after the controversial free kick against Stephen Coniglio in Round 3.
The free kick against Coniglio came at a crucial stage of Carlton’s win over Greater Western Sydney on Saturday, with the AFL on Monday releasing a statement from umpiring boss Dan Richardson.
In that statement, Richardson said while players and coaches “get emotional, or become overly expressive when under pressure, “we also have umpires with differing levels of temperament”.
However Richardson declared: “If there was no challenge to the decision, regardless of personal opinion on the threshold, then no free kick could or would have been paid.”
Riewoldt told AFL 360 the decision against Coniglio had left him confused over the threshold for dissent.
“No one has an idea because the umpires, they’ve admitted each umpire has got a different emotional reaction to players, so how are we to know whether we catch someone on a bad day or a good day?”, he said.
“There’s moments after that dissent free kick where players are doing the exact same thing and we don’t get the same result. So I’m scratching my head.
“I would’ve said way worse things and done more demonstrative stuff to senior umpires and just had a normal conversation or just asked a question, which you do sometimes - there’s four umpires, one is genuinely around the centre of the ground or with the forwards - (asking) ‘Why is that a free kick?’
“That’s a bit of a natural reaction, but that could be deemed as dissent, which is the Coniglio example there. I’m still scratching my head about it and I think most of the footy public are as well.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-umpire-dissent-stephen-coniglio-free-kick-jack-riewoldt-comments-reaction-gws-vs-carlton-arms-out/news-story/dcacbdbeff444997ba90fd7be39da3d7
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Once again this sort of umpire inconsistency is what annoys supporters.
https://twitter.com/TroutWoodend/status/1643927662015156224
I hate Collingwood and they won the free kick count tonight, but this would be paid "insufficient attempt" in any other game. Umps can't pick and choose when it is and isn't deliberate, dissent, etc.
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DeGoey a protected species out there tonight
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Hardwick also weighed in on the controversial Stephen Coniglio dissent free kick, describing the balance between respect for umpires and the emotion of the game as “challenging” while claiming the AFL ruling suggests emotion is equivalent to dissent.
“It is really challenging; we understand the respect for the umpire, no question. As an industry, we’ve got to set the standard and we completely understand that.
“What is challenging is that our game is an emotional game,” Hardwick said.
“We don’t want to take that out of it, but we’ve also got to make sure we remain respectful to the umpires.
“Sometimes we want our players to be emotional, but does that mean dissent? They’ve made it pretty clear at this current stage that it probably is.”
Asked if he told his players to keep their arms down, he quipped: “Once again, it is a challenging thing, we’ve got a lot of Italians in our group.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-bolstered-by-stars-as-coach-damien-hardwick-makes-dissent-gag/news-story/71f9d49f2ff31b1d25d9572678956985).
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Nick Daicos with one of the worst dives you will see in Aussie Rules and he actually got a free for it :facepalm ::).
https://twitter.com/theindextracker/status/1643950711938457601
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Is it just big club supporters. Went onto the collingwood board at bf and they were not too happy with the umps.
We must sound like whining babies to other supporters because those colllingwood supporters sure did.
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Nick Daicos with one of the worst dives you will see in Aussie Rules and he actually got a free for it :facepalm ::).
https://twitter.com/theindextracker/status/1643950711938457601
Was a point in the last quarter where Daicos literally shat himself
Made a Brandon Ellis hard ball attempt look Mark Ricciuto ish
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Nick Daicos with one of the worst dives you will see in Aussie Rules and he actually got a free for it :facepalm ::).
https://twitter.com/theindextracker/status/1643950711938457601
Was a point in the last quarter where Daicos literally shat himself
Made a Brandon Ellis hard ball attempt look Mark Ricciuto ish
Yep, you'd think (hope) young Nick would be very embarrassed by that effort
He isn't the first and won't be the last but for a kid the media are constantly swooning over it was a terrible effort
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Hard to play against 26. One hot HTB for us while the Dogs getall the time in the world. Plus 3 goals to the Dogs in one quarter thanks to the umps.
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Can't win with the umpiring set against us.
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Can't win with the umpiring set against us.
It's disgusting.
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Disgraceful
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This is deadset cheating now
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5 soft goals to the Dogs thanks to the umps. That last one in the last quarter when the ump imagined a push was a disgrace.
Out of curiosity have we ever won a game when Deboy was umpiring?
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Umpire Number 8 was unbelievably terrible. The amount of times he missed the blatant free but gave the free that wasn’t even there.
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Endless 50/50s given to dogs.
The push in back from Cumberland early that was downfield when it was a turnover.
The 50m penalty for I'm assuming standing over the mark.
The 3 soft last qtr goals.
2 clear as day holding the ball. Crozier when he blatantly played for too high and just fell over in our F50. And Hannan spun around 720 degrees and his foot missed the ball.
Missed about 3 in dangers too.
Libbas goal early was holding the ball or a throw, take ya pick against Naughton.
Umps have been really good this year but today shat the bed in the rain. Absolutely had an impact on the result 100%. Happy to accept we didn't play anywhere near we'd expect and that cost us winning but umps cost us winning ugly today.
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They got the rub but I don’t blame the umps.
The dogs fumbled less tonight.
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The only free I really have an issue with is the Naughton one in the last. That wasn't a push or a block.
But you cannot kick 2 goals in a half and expect to win
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The only free I really have an issue with is the Naughton one in the last. That wasn't a push or a block.
But you cannot kick 2 goals in a half and expect to win
The high knock against Vlastuin straight after?
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Yep was livid with both but we should not of been in the position that they would matter if we better skills and decision making.
Those two things killed us.
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The Baker htb was bs and Vlastuin for what I don’t know was bs.
Yes we shouldn’t have been in that position but those 2 goals cost us the game
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We got shafted on a couple of really bad ones at a bad time.
Wasn't terrible all game but it made it very hard to win at the time.
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Nobody commenting on Baker tackling the dogs player by the ankle in the goal square
Certain missed one there
I didn’t think they were horrible against us
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I thought the new rules were meant to stop the game turning into rugby :whistle.
https://twitter.com/beetgordon_/status/1644673500685422593
Lucky if there's one handball at all in that vision :lol.
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Vision of the paid free for high against Vlastuin in the last quarter.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/laceoutofficial/status/1644623971093209088
Buckley and Dunstall commentating querying it. Buckley says "potentially an arm across the shoulder".
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Vision of the paid free for high against Vlastuin in the last quarter.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/laceoutofficial/status/1644623971093209088
Buckley and Dunstall commentating querying it. Buckley says "potentially an arm across the shoulder".
Got no issue with that free. Our seats are level 2 behind where that happened and it was high.
My issue is with the no push of Naughton and his incredible leap forward which lead to a free and the winning goal for them. That was a howler
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The Round 4 Free Kick Ladder
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/YZvxVSYryJtu1HIa1Jf8w/e11f0a40680e63d60c4a72ca6ab2e413/Screen_Shot_2023-04-11_at_2.35.28_pm.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/11/the-2023-free-kick-ladder-round-4/
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Explain the dissent rule in a photo (also, this wasn’t paid dissent)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft0zliIagAEXd6L?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Mugzyo/status/1647529768135573504
And they wonder why people hate these new rules and how arbitrarily they are applied from game to game and week to week.
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Explain the dissent rule in a photo (also, this wasn’t paid dissent)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft0zliIagAEXd6L?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Mugzyo/status/1647529768135573504
And they wonder why people hate these new rules and how arbitrarily they are applied from game to game and week to week.
5 players dissenting x 50m = 250m penalty....but not for Collingwood!
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If they want to keep this rule it would be helpful if they had clear guidelines on how dissent is interpreted , everyone including the umpires appear to be currently confused
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It’s not hard for the umpires really.
New rules apply to Richmond FC only. The test case is always our first game and without fail we get the brunt of the calls against us as we’ve seen over and over again.
Plus they can always test rules on us that aren’t even rules
a) - the Richmond “goal review” rule (EF final) - when a goal can be overruled without corroborating evidence after the goal umpire has signalled a goal.
b) - the Richmond “common sense” rule - when an opposing player does something that warrants a 50 metre penalty that could result in a possible score that could result in a goal and a possible win to Richmond.
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C) the Richmond new tribunal rule
Give Richmond player 4 weeks and other sides 2 weeks for the same offence except Geelong and Collingwood , no charge
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Saw this on twitter tonight:
"So far this year, Richmond has given away nine 50m penalties. Since 2018, they've given away 55 more 50m penalties than any other team."
- Daniel Hoyne
:help
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stuffing hell that's bad.
Amazed we won two flags in there.
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Saw this on twitter tonight:
"So far this year, Richmond has given away nine 50m penalties. Since 2018, they've given away 55 more 50m penalties than any other team."
- Daniel Hoyne
:help
“There’s a lot of talk about the undisciplined Tigers,” Hoyne told SEN’s Sportsday.
“So far this year they’ve given away nine 50-metre penalties which is the most of any team in the competition. But since 2018, they have committed 55 more 50-metre penalties than any other team in the competition.
“They gave away the most (50-metre penalties) in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023.
“It is a theme that has been with Richmond now for the best part of six years.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/18/the-incredible-stat-that-highlights-richmonds-ill-discipline-issues/
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Lynch would kick a 100 every year if he got frees out of nowhere like this.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1649363786070110210
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Saw that and was disgusted, thought the same re: Lynch
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The AFL/MRO's interpretations are once again all over the shop. Now I don't have an issue with Brayshaw getting off for the reasons he was let off. However, the AFL/MRO have repeatedly said over and over that if you choose to bump, and for whatever reason the opponent is hit in the head and is concussed, you will get suspended. They then just can't come out with tonight ...
Match Review Officer Michael Christian stated Brayshaw's actions were fair given the context of the bump.
"It is the view of the MRO that it was reasonable for Brayshaw to contest the ball in the way that he did and that contact was caused by circumstances outside the control of Brayshaw."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/22/liberatores-head-knock-to-force-him-out-of-round-7/
Marlion got a week instantly for a shepherd that no Hawthorn player took issue with, and Dylan Moore played the rest of the game out and had no concussion :huh.
To add to the confusion, we've now got Garry Lyon and co. saying Neale contributed to the Cal Ward's 'dangerous' tackle of him to avoid being pinged for HTB and get a free himself.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1649695805371187200
It would help if the umps didn't take forever to make a decision which contributes to these sling tackles.
What an absolute mess! :-\
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Hardwick: Umpire interpretation contributing to dangerous tackles
Andrew Wu
The Age
23 April 2023
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says umpires’ interpretation of prior opportunity is contributing to the spate of injuries and suspensions from dangerous tackles, as Fremantle star Andrew Brayshaw avoided suspension for his involvement in a clash that left Tom Liberatore concussed.
Hardwick received support on Saturday night from suspended Collingwood vice-captain Taylor Adams after an incident where Greater Western Sydney veteran Callan Ward was penalised for bringing down Brisbane’s Lachie Neale in a tackle.
“Blow the whistle earlier,” Adams tweeted.
Former Melbourne legend Garry Lyon was critical of Neale, who did not appear to fight against Ward’s tackle and allowed himself to be brought down.
“This is one we can look at, I think Lachie Neale contributed to that,” Lyon said on the Fox Footy broadcast. “This is where we don’t want to get to.”
Hardwick put the umpires’ interpretation on the agenda on Saturday morning. While he welcomed the memo sent to clubs by the AFL explaining what constituted a dangerous tackle, he said players, coaches and umpires could do more to reduce the risk of injury.
Though ultimate responsibility rested with players, Hardwick said coaches contributed by asking players to take on the tackle, and umpires are letting play go on.
“It’s like a bigger conversation needs to be had because the reality is with the prior opportunity rule and as coaches we teach our players to take on the tackle and the umpire’s holding their whistle because of a fear of creating a stoppage,” Hardwick said.
“It’s like there’s a combination of factors that we need to sit down and figure out, if that makes sense.
“The players absolutely have got a responsibility to look after the head when they tackle, but there’s other factors at play.
“One, coaching for us, and I think also the administration from the AFL with regards to holding the whistle, I think, needs to be a little bit clarified also.
“We don’t want players getting hurt, but we want to make sure we understand the players have got a really, really tough job to do.”
Eight players were suspended for a combined total of 13 games in the first five rounds for dangerous tackles.
There is sympathy for players, who are taught to pin the arms in tackles to prevent their opponent from disposing of the ball but that action is one of the factors that constitutes rough conduct if the ball-carrier is brought to ground.
If umpires stop play earlier, it may minimise the need for players to complete the tackle, thereby reducing the risk of injury, but would also lead to more stoppages, which can lead to congestion and slow play.
https://www.watoday.com.au/sport/afl/combination-of-factors-how-holding-the-ball-ruling-is-leading-to-dangerous-tackles-20230422-p5d2hq.html
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After watching Geelong throw the ball last night with no penalty plus no whistle on tackles allowing Geelong to have many dubiouscdisposals, it seems the game and umpiring is set up for them.
Sydney must have been infuriated.
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After watching Geelong throw the ball last night with no penalty plus no whistle on tackles allowing Geelong to have many dubiouscdisposals, it seems the game and umpiring is set up for them.
Sydney must have been infuriated.
Yep, I noticed the throws last night too. Geelong take on a tackler (should be called HTB right there, just ask Dusty about that) & then give a two handed under armed throw/shovel out to a team mate in the clear. Seems to work every time!
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The Scraggers threw quite a few against us too. So much for four umpires ::).
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Joey takes us through the 'handball club' of the Bulldogs (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f60f.svg)
Click on pic/link to watch:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1650116125932544006/LwaEPWgL?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1650093230472728577)
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1650093230472728577
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/did-it-all-night-return-of-dogs-cheeky-handball-club-exposed/news-story/343f1109d33b0e0065e0db43f58a4fc4
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4 umps and none of them could see this blatant rugby throw ::). Looked like it was out of bounds too.
https://twitter.com/outbreezyWC/status/1650458356241530880
Add Jordan's one-handed "handpass" as well.
https://twitter.com/RFC_Centre/status/1650698069162471424
Both lead to Melbourne goals :thumbsdown.
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Graham Cornes fears Victorian bias has contributed to Port Adelaide and Adelaide conceding the most free-kicks in the AFL this year.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1651475011264483328
:nopity :lol
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"Pay another one, pay another one."
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1652256575866945536
Clearly you don't mess with Razor Ray regarding dissent.
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The Scraggers threw quite a few against us too. So much for four umpires ::).
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Joey takes us through the 'handball club' of the Bulldogs (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f60f.svg)
Click on pic/link to watch:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1650116125932544006/LwaEPWgL?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1650093230472728577)
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1650093230472728577
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/did-it-all-night-return-of-dogs-cheeky-handball-club-exposed/news-story/343f1109d33b0e0065e0db43f58a4fc4
Been going on for years and is just wrong that they aren't frees against. The AFL are a joke!
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'That has to be deliberate!'
Controversy as Wil Powell rushes the behind with no pressure around him.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1652570178826436608
Not blaming the umps for our pathetic loss, but how the hell was this not paid deliberate when the AFL stipulated in their own video that rushing a point under no immediate physical pressure will be paid a free kick for deliberate rushed behind :huh3.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/166188/2017-laws-of-the-game-deliberately-rushed-behind
4 umps out there and none of them knew the rule ::).
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That was a free every day lol
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No surprise to me it wasn't paid deliberate
Just another grey area of the rules. Umps will say he was in the goal square (he wasn't) or he didn't rush it per se it was a defensive punch.....
That the commentators don't know says it all. Pre-season they get taken through a video of how things are interpreted and despite that they didn't know
Blah, blah
MT if you remember
Just over 12 months ago at the ANZAC eve game as we sat and lamented the diabolical stand rule I said the game was stuffed
12 months and 1 week later it is still stuffed
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Only thing I can think of is that he could argue he was preventing a goal bouncing through/was spoiling
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Only thing I can think of is that he could argue he was preventing a goal bouncing through/was spoiling
He could but he could've also caught the ball and dished it off, if it was on a boundary line and he did that it would be deliberate. The ball bounced along the ground first it should have been deliberate.
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The GC defender had every right to prevent a goal by touching the ball, its only an issue that his punch went over for a behind with nobody near him.
IMO a defender should always be allowed to defend a goal with no chance of coughing up a free kick & goal anyway because of a series of poorly worded rules. You just cannot outlaw defending, but team up the deliberately rushed behind rule with deliberate out of bounds rule & that's exactly what you have - a player in danger of breaking a rule because he chose to prevent a goal ...
Don't change defending your team's goals - remove the stupid rules that cause all the controversies in the first place!
By the letter of the laws the GC player should've been penalized ... and there's nothing more stupid than that!
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Has the umpire made A Bad decision? twitter:
That's clearly deliberate
No pressure on him, and has plenty of other options.
Should have been paid. Bad error #AFLTigersSuns
https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1652575978215059457
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No surprise to me it wasn't paid deliberate
Just another grey area of the rules. Umps will say he was in the goal square (he wasn't) or he didn't rush it per se it was a defensive punch.....
That the commentators don't know says it all. Pre-season they get taken through a video of how things are interpreted and despite that they didn't know
Blah, blah
MT if you remember
Just over 12 months ago at the ANZAC eve game as we sat and lamented the diabolical stand rule I said the game was stuffed
12 months and 1 week later it is still stuffed
:yep
Add deliberate out of bounds around the ground as well to the list of making it up as they go rules. We got pinged for a kick off the ground that went off the side of the boot while a deliberate kick by a Suns' player straight towards and over the boundary line wasn't paid.
https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1653164940247838720
:thumbsdown
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Pretty brutal 50m penalty against Cumberland results in a goal for the Eagles.
WATCH: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1654711696152494080
The poor standard of umpiring will not improve with the AFL's cone of silence. No one is suggesting tolerating the bagging and abusing of volunteer umps at junior and amateur level. That's not on. But at the AFL level, you simply can't allow clueless umps pay 50 and cost teams a goal for a player simply trying a typical soccer deft touch by foot to bring the ball to a stop over the line. Cumberland was actually trying to save time and keep the ball in the area for the boundary umpire to collect.
Back to the country leagues you muppet! ::)
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Have no issue with that 50
Rule is stupid but has been around since the 1990s
I sat there thinking "hope hw gets away with it" ;D
He didn't
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Have no issue with that 50
Rule is stupid but has been around since the 1990s
I sat there thinking "hope hw gets away with it" ;D
He didn't
Cumberland had a poor game and no surprise he got dragged. But, he shouldn't have been pinged for that 50. Replay clearly showed him trying to control and stop the ball with the outside of his foot which is a typical soccer skill. He wasn't trying to kick the ball away. Dare I say "commonsense" should have been applied by the ump but apparently that only applies to our opponents (hello Sydney game last year).
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That 50 was a complete stuffing disaster.
Worst 50 of the year by a wide margin. We don't want to see that poo on the weekend when we're trying to relax. That was a weekday tax collector's 50. stuff right off with that rubbish.
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Bottom line is ball was over the line, Noah was over the line and kicked it away.
So under the stupid rule in place it is 50 metres
The problem is it rarely gets paid so when it does it becomes a controversial decision
As I said and clearly I am in the minority it was the right call however moronic the rule is
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Bottom line is ball was over the line, Noah was over the line and kicked it away.
So under the stupid rule in place it is 50 metres
The problem is it rarely gets paid so when it does it becomes a controversial decision
As I said and clearly I am in the minority it was the right call however moronic the rule is
To me, it looked like he tried to keep the ball in.
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Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.
Seriously, eff off and get a job directing traffic.
stuffing terrible decision.
Un-Australian -- right up until Australia became the "keep off the grass" capital of the universe.
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Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.
Seriously, eff off and get a job directing traffic.
stuffing terrible decision.
Un-Australian -- right up until Australia became the "keep off the grass" capital of the universe.
Is that abusive tirade directed at me?
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Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.
Seriously, eff off and get a job directing traffic.
stuffing terrible decision.
Un-Australian -- right up until Australia became the "keep off the grass" capital of the universe.
Is that abusive tirade directed at me?
Nope.
At the puritan umpires. Rubbish 50.
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Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.
Which I think is actually 1/3?
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Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.
Which I think is actually 1/3?
That's correct. They are identical measurements. :thumbsup
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/HasTheUmpStuffedUpViewOfCumberland50.png)
https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1654719229390888960
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I think that decision indicates that umpires are looking to award free kicks rather than letting the game go on and be played in the spirit it is intended for.
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I think that decision indicates that umpires are looking to award free kicks rather than letting the game go on and be played in the spirit it is intended for.
Exactly.
There are three teams out there these days. When the adjudication of the game becomes as big a talking point as the game itself, we all know there is a problem. It's happening every week now. Every game?
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/HasTheUmpStuffedUpViewOfCumberland50.png)
https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1654719229390888960
Fair enough
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Thought the umps were ordinary. Prestia holding the ball was red hot umpiring and then we had about 3 tackles exactly the same if not more obvious that weren't paid holding the ball.
Darling free kick in front of goal was ridiculous. Deliberate out of bounds wasn't consistent.
Not world ending but they weren't as good as first few weeks.
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Clear 50 to us not paid.
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Tiger fans and @hasumpstuffedup can anyone explain how this isn’t an automatic 50m?
My feeling is that if it were a Tiger walking 2m over the mark and scraping the turf it would have been.
#gotiges
WATCH: https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1654985640969379840
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This also should have been 50 to us.
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1654998756184686592
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Second one was worse I was livid
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The standard umpiring is just horrible. I don't know how these players keep their heads (both sides). Example was the mark that was taken past the point post for the cats and they made the man on the mark stand half way to the goal. How hard is it to place the mark in the right place. Just an example of so many errors.
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The standard umpiring is just horrible. I don't know how these players keep their heads (both sides). Example was the mark that was taken past the point post for the cats and they made the man on the mark stand half way to the goal. How hard is it to place the mark in the right place. Just an example of so many errors.
Too many stupid needless rules taking the umps' focus away from correctly umpiring the basic ones.
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The standard umpiring is just horrible. I don't know how these players keep their heads (both sides). Example was the mark that was taken past the point post for the cats and they made the man on the mark stand half way to the goal. How hard is it to place the mark in the right place. Just an example of so many errors.
Too many stupid needless rules taking the umps' focus away from correctly umpiring the basic ones.
Agreed
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Well that’s a first, we got the rub tonight
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Some crap calls both ways but we indeed got the rub tonight and it's a nice change tbh
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We got tackled over the boundary 3 times after they gave a free against us for the same thing, I just want consistency, but understand you will never get it.
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Vision: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1660215491682770944
The controlling umpire was heard shouting at the Giants player on the mark: “Back two metres. Brent! Brent, back two metres. Brent, back two metres.”
The problem was Brent wasn’t standing the mark for the Giants. It was Xavier O’Halloran, who didn’t move back.
The umpire then blew his whistle and paid a 50m penalty against the Giants for not manning the mark properly, which advanced Webster into the forward half of the ground.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/greater-western-sydney-giants/afl-news-2023-xavier-ohalloran-gives-away-50m-penalty-in-giants-loss-to-st-kilda-brent-back-two-metres-video/news-story/b4fe7242842e0e8f509e7a7c068fe8d8
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Imagine copping a 50 because the ump kept calling out the wrong name to the player on the mark :doh.
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A game where you scratch your head about what the rules are with Leigh "I hate Richmond" Fisher at his infamous 'best' today ::).
Dusty bending over to pick up the ball and cops head on high contact = no free.
Lycett continually playing Nank from behind with his arm over Nank's shoulder = no free (Lycett actually got two frees the other way :huh3).
Byrne-Jones driving head first into Taranto = free kick for too high.
JHF going head first taking out a Tiger's legs = free kick for too high.
There were also a heap of ticky-touchwood frees from incidental contact that Port got today. All we ask for is consistency and the rules applied the same for both sides.
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How many times did they manage to find a Port free at the first centre bounce just after we kicked a goal?
Two worst non-decisions though (both in the last) Mansell(?) blatantly held without the ball on the wing & SPP allowed to just walk the ball over the boundary under no real pressure.
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Fisher is the worst umpire i have ever seen. Some of the decisions today were pathetic.
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He watched last night's umpiring against GC and said "hold my beer"... :shh
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Fisher is the worst umpire i have ever seen. Some of the decisions today were pathetic.
Yep and former player to which actually makes it worse
I try ot bag umpires as it is a bloody tough gig but today they were shocking.
The over the shoulder to JHF was an absolute disgrace
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The JHF kick was there. Balta got him high, not heaps of contact but it was high
There were some very bad calls in the 4th however
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The Byrne-Jones wasn't paid by the umpire who had the best view, it was another umpire who had to guess. 4 umpires and one from 80m away can overrule one 5m away??
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The JHF kick was there. Balta got him high, not heaps of contact but it was high
There were some very bad calls in the 4th however
The one in the last qtr?
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There were 2 JHF free kicks. The garbage one where he dove head first at the ball and took out our players legs and got a high free kick and the one in fwd50 where Balta legitimately got him high.
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Could name all the stinkers
JHF down field
Balta throw from one hand tap
JHF high was not high
The failure to call for a review when we touched it to have it rightly recalled yet they went for a review for 2 of our goals that Port touched.
The no holding the ball against Port in D50 yet Miller pinged (rightly so but missed 3 against Port within a minute prior)
Blatant deliberate out of bounds at the end was comical.
2 free kicks against Taranto in the last were comical.
Fisher and 31 belong in local leagues.
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"I reckon players might be cottoning on to this, and starting to play a bit possum."
- Jack Riewoldt thinks some players are starting to play for dangerous tackle free kicks.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1664204659886792708
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"I reckon players might be cottoning on to this, and starting to play a bit possum."
- Jack Riewoldt thinks some players are starting to play for dangerous tackle free kicks.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1664204659886792708
‘Playing possum’: AFL stars ’looking for frees’ amid dangerous tackle ban claims Tigers great
Jono Baruch
Fox Sports
June 2, 2023
Richmond star Jack Riewoldt believes players are starting to “play a bit possum” to win a free kick in the wake of the AFL’s dangerous tackle crackdown this season.
The dangerous tackle was on the agenda once again this week after four players contested tackles they were cited and received bans for at the AFL Tribunal this week.
Sydney’s Luke Parker and Fremantle’s Jaeger O’Meara became the 17th and 18th players respectively to be suspended for dangerous tackles this season but Carlton’s Adam Cerra and Adelaide’s Rory Laird were successful in beating their charges.
Speaking on Fox Footy‘s AFL 360 Plus, Riewoldt believes that there are “some clear cut ones” that players know have no place in the game anymore, but echoed the sentiment of Geelong coach Chris Scott – who recently said the Tribunal’s instructions on how to tackle were “very confusing”.
“There’s definitely an element of confusion about it,” Riewoldt said on Fox Footy.
“There’s clear cut ones, Nathan Broad’s tackle against Adelaide probably set the agenda for dangerous tackles being put back up in the microscope.
“We’re seeing these one-weekers now that are cropping up and you’re thinking that could be a dangerous tackle. I think slinging, dumping, dropping of the body weight is probably what the tribunal is looking at and what the match review officer is looking at.”
Riewoldt believes that players are using the knowledge that the umpires are looking for high contact and lowering their body position in order to win free kicks.
“I reckon players might be cottoning on to this, and starting to play a bit possum,” he said.
“I reckon players are looking for free kicks. As we’ve seen the high contact in tackles has become prevalent over the last decade of AFL. Now players will take advantage of how to get a free kick. Maybe it is just going limp a little bit and dropping down?
“It’s hard to see why some are being penalised with a week, even a free kick and some aren’t.”
St Kilda Hall of Famer Leigh Montagna said that upon looking at the four tackles that were to be contested at the tribunal this week he thought that there would be a chance that “this would be the first time some players would get off”.
Montagna believed that the game had “gone too far” the other way in penalising the outcome and was happy to see a correction the other way.
“I’m glad that they took them all the cases to the tribunal so we can all get a better understanding of what you can and can’t do,” he said.
“At the start of the year it was pretty clear, if you dump, drive or sling and the player gets hurt, you are going to be suspended.
“I felt this weekend we probably went too far. It was simply a case of if you lay a tackle and the player hits their head, you are going to be suspended and I didn’t necessarily agree with that.
“From where we’ve come from, we probably went a little bit too far that every tackle where a player hit their head they get suspended but I felt like we’ve come back a little bit to go, there’s got to be some sort of danger behind it to miss a week.
“I thought that there would be a chance that this would be the first time some players would get off.
“As a player you should now be able to understand, if it’s dangerous and there is a driving, dumping or slinging motion you are in trouble, but there is an element for momentum in a tackle, and if you try and take care, you should be let off.”
Riewoldt believes that the dangerous tackle debate is a “watch this space” at the end of the year as the players continue to seek clarity on what is legal and what isn’t.
“I think there will be a real big shake-up and hopefully for the playing group going forward, for AFL and AFLW there will be just a little bit more clarity on what it does look like,“ he said.
“I think this is a watch this space at the end of the year.
“I think there will be a real big shake-up and hopefully for the playing group going forward, for AFL and AFLW there will be just a little bit more clarity on what it does look like.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-afl-360-jack-riewoldt-leigh-montagna-afl-tribunal-dangerous-tackles/news-story/5bbbd8f354b7719122744fd6345b7d79
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50m penalties conceded in 2023 so far
Fremantle 15
Gold Coast 14
Port Adelaide 13
St Kilda 13
Geelong 11
North Melbourne 11
Richmond 11
Adelaide 10
Collingwood 10
Essendon 10
Sydney 10
Carlton 9
Hawthorn 9
Melbourne 9
Western Bulldogs 9
West Coast 8
Brisbane 7
GWS 5
https://www.zerohanger.com/the-afl-clubs-and-players-that-are-conceding-the-most-50m-penalties-in-2023-138161/
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Just 10 frees to us for a whole match and only 4 after half-time. That's just two per quarter. Must be the way we play or the opposition are saints who can do no wrong ::).
The Club needs to send a "please explain" to the umpiring dept. As usual it's the obvious frees we don't get that are the issue. The missed head high contacts/tackles on Tiger players and clear non-HTB decisions that don't reward our tackles. The Umps today just refused to pay us clear free kicks. Absolutely woeful officiating! :thumbsdown
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Matt Stevic hates us the campaigner that he is
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It was below par today, well it's below par every week but Stevic was awful today :banghead
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I was at the game, yes there were howlers worst being the none HTB against Whitfield but overall didn't think they were that bad
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Grimes appeared to be taken high but it results in a Giants free kick. Was this adjudicated correctly?
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1665218931706183680
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Grimes appeared to be taken high but it results in a Giants free kick. Was this adjudicated correctly?
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1665218931706183680
One of the howlers :lol
If he hadn't been be grabbed around the scone then yes the 2nd part of it was correct HTB :rollin
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The telytubby 21 was a real stuffer
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Grimes appeared to be taken high but it results in a Giants free kick. Was this adjudicated correctly?
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1665218931706183680
One of the howlers :lol
If he hadn't been be grabbed around the scone then yes the 2nd part of it was correct HTB :rollin
Arguably he deliberately drew the high contact and the AFL said they wouldn't pay these anymore in ?2022 but they have failed miserably to live up to that.
Wasn't is supposed to be the Ginnivan rule?
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Reckon there would be more respect and understanding for the umps if they were able to explain their decisions and even admitted when they had got it wrong.
For us oldies :oldguy, "What's your decision?" was a regular segment on Sunday morning on Ch 7's World of Sport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTcZX-6XaNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6wmEkaU8po
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It’s a bloody disgrace
Worst I’ve seen all year. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Getting sexually assaulted tonight
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They're on fire
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O'Gorman and Heffernan should never umpire our matches again. Clear Richmond haters. Then add the local WA ump joining in the Freo lovefest and there's a reason we are getting screwed by the umps tonight :thumbsdown.
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Stuff me
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Aids Face :thumbsdown
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...and who gave the free that led to that goal:
Aids Face :thumbsdown
:thumbsdown :thumbsdown
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Nice for the umps to cap off a cheating performance with a goal for the dockers
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15 3 what a disgrace
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Another ump goal for a bs free against Broad
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Someone should make a formal complain about this. It’s a bloody joke how bad this is
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I swear, a Freo player could pull a knife, slit Jack's throat and get a free for being bled on!
As a Tigers supporter I've seen some biased umpiring in my life, but this game takes it to a new level. Absolute BLEEPing biased hacks. 😠
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Unbearable
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Not a single free kick that quarter. 3 for the whole game up to 3 quarter time, this is legit crazy!
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We should have known this was about to happen and it will get worse this quarter
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Wow free kick for losing ur headband
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One word corrupt.
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One word corrupt.
The game is stuffed
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One word corrupt.
The game is stuffed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v98D_b4Mu60
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MT knows I’m the opposite of an umpire basher
It actually gives me the poos
But tonight was as bad as I’ve seen
Horrendous
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MT knows I’m the opposite of an umpire basher
It actually gives me the poos
But tonight was as bad as I’ve seen
Horrendous
Ditto Damo
I rarely bag umpires it is bloody tough job
But tonight it was deplorable
The AFL should be embarrassed by that, they can't excuse it
Although, we all know we won't hear a peep from them about how bad it was
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It's not the one's we give away it's the one's we don't get.....5 in 4 quarters of heavily contested football most of which was in the wet says it all.. :shh
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Even Richo had a not so subtle dig on twitter.
"3"
https://twitter.com/mattricho0/status/1667495340705198082
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Atrocious..
Won't waste time going through the stinkers. I also will say I'm shocked the goal line tech went out way, or should I say that the umpire decision went out way. That ball 100% hit the post and was gutless by ARC ump.
Insipid effort tonight. Makes the win better and shows how well we played to control and dominate the game with free turnover free kicks they got.
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We must be a good side to beat not only Freo, but also the cheating Maggots
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Atrocious..
Won't waste time going through the stinkers. I also will say I'm shocked the goal line tech went out way, or should I say that the umpire decision went out way. That ball 100% hit the post and was gutless by ARC ump.
Insipid effort tonight. Makes the win better and shows how well we played to control and dominate the game with free turnover free kicks they got.
I read on Twitter the reason the "edge" technology wasnt used was because Broad had touched the post
Good God, if the technology can't be used because of that why have it?
Farcical
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Amazing that they use low res technology on the replays instead of hdmi, pathetic for an organisation trying to take its game to the world stage
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Atrocious..
Won't waste time going through the stinkers. I also will say I'm shocked the goal line tech went out way, or should I say that the umpire decision went out way. That ball 100% hit the post and was gutless by ARC ump.
Insipid effort tonight. Makes the win better and shows how well we played to control and dominate the game with free turnover free kicks they got.
I read on Twitter the reason the "edge" technology wasnt used was because Broad had touched the post
Good God, if the technology can't be used because of that why have it?
Farcical
Haha we said this in the living room. I've only ever seen the Arc for when they've turned over a Richmond goal. Never to prove a goal against has got the post. Why nobody talked about the trajectory of the ball changed after hitting the post I'll never know. Also player reaction thanks Arc, you used it for Lynch. Broad grabbed ball straight away.
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I was absolutely fuming when I saw the decision was ‘umpires call’ thinking the onfield umpire had called it a goal. May be my Richmond glasses but I thought you could clearly see it indent the post padding on the way through.
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Was that Bazil Zempless commentating tonight?
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Was that Bazil Zempless commentating tonight?
Yep
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"This was an awesome win for Richmond - they had the umpires against them" - Kane Cornes :o
Go to 4:30 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/947753/trsf-lions-bogey-rolls-on-glaring-issue-for-stubborn-dogs
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All of this
Man I was ropeable last night
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Kane might have mentioned it in passing but that's it
Until someone in the media has the you know whats to actually make a big deal about it then nothing will happen
Someone needs to line up 5 decisions that were not given (I know there were plenty more) to us and 5 given against us and ask what the?
Bring back "what's you decision" on one of the talk shows..
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I have come to accept this is the current state of the game. Gil (Hocking) and the rest of the people involved (boys club) have absolutely ruined this great game- nothing more to say really. How many times players throw the ball away is astonishing. the interpretations are a joke which shadows the current leadership in AFL headquarters. The sad part is it will not get any better as the apprentice will take over next year and continue the poo show :banghead
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Was that Bazil Zempless commentating tonight?
Yep
Thought so even commentators were bias..
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Its time for the umpires to be held responsible for not blowing the whistle when its obvious that a tackle has nailed the player in possession. The longer the tackler has to wait for a decision (90% likely the only decision that could be made) the more likely he is to sling the player into the ground. Even deciding to call a ball up with an early whistle is better than having a player flung into the ground.
Removing the sling tackle from the game is simple - Just blow the F%$#ing whistle!!
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Correct JP. Umpires give way too much leeway for player with ball. The classic was last night when Freo guy had ball for an hour and Graham swung him around and down - was called sling. Was actually holding the ball! Call it earlier umps - before the sling starts.
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There was one play in our forward 50 I think it was in the third quarter where one of the freo defenders collected the ball, was tackled but had both arms clear above his head. I know he was tackled more or less straight away but he had both arms free and could have easily shot a handball out to get rid of the footy but instead he just kept possession of it over his head. Could not believe that wasn’t called holding the ball.
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The AFL has ticked off on last night's Ethan Hughes score review.
AFL Edge was used, but was ultimately deemed 'insufficient evidence'.
@FOXFOOTY
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1667720672062353409
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AFL reveals killer detail in controversial Richmond-Fremantle goal review: Nathan Broad ‘compromised the system’
A crucial piece of information was lost in Nathan Broad’s game-saving moment.
Shayne Hope
7news
11 June 2023
The AFL has confirmed its highly touted Edge technology was not used in the goal review that helped Richmond hold off Fremantle because Nathan Broad’s contact with a post compromised the system.
Dockers wingman Ethan Hughes’ long shot at goal could have dragged the home side back within four points late in Saturday night’s contest at Optus Stadium.
The goal umpire believed the ball had touched the goal post but called for a review, which found the available evidence was inconclusive. That meant the decision fell back on the umpire and the behind stood.
Richmond’s lead was cut to nine points and they hung on to win a thriller, giving their finals hopes a massive boost in the process.
The Edge technology - used to determine whether a ball has hit the post - was not shown on the television broadcast.
Tigers defender Broad tracked Hughes’ kick back towards the goal line and ran into the goal post, compromising the Edge system.
With Edge unavailable, there was insufficient evidence to determine whether the ball hit or missed the goal post.
An AFL spokesperson on Sunday told AAP the league had ticked off the goal review process.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-reveals-killer-detail-in-controversial-goal-review-compromised-the-system-c-10945891
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The AFL has ticked off on last night's Ethan Hughes score review.
AFL Edge was used, but was ultimately deemed 'insufficient evidence'.
@FOXFOOTY
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1667720672062353409
Well it was either a behind or it made up for that Walters bollocks so gagf
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Tigers defender Broad tracked Hughes’ kick back towards the goal line and ran into the goal post, compromising the Edge system.
With Edge unavailable, there was insufficient evidence to determine whether the ball hit or missed the goal post.
This is the part I don't get, Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but the ball hit the post/went near the post before Broad touch the post?
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This is the part I don't get, Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but the ball hit the post/went near the post before Broad touch the post?
Correct but for reasons only the AFL can explain as soon as Broad touched the post it is supposedly compromised
Absolute nonsense from my perspective. Would hate to have a GF decided by that
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I saw someone say that it hit the umpires flag as well which is considered as part of the post anyway. I didn’t know that was a rule so wasn’t looking at that at all.
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Its time for the umpires to be held responsible for not blowing the whistle when its obvious that a tackle has nailed the player in possession. The longer the tackler has to wait for a decision (90% likely the only decision that could be made) the more likely he is to sling the player into the ground. Even deciding to call a ball up with an early whistle is better than having a player flung into the ground.
Removing the sling tackle from the game is simple - Just blow the F%$#ing whistle!!
Correct JP. Umpires give way too much leeway for player with ball. The classic was last night when Freo guy had ball for an hour and Graham swung him around and down - was called sling. Was actually holding the ball! Call it earlier umps - before the sling starts.
When you watch the replay Johnson's arms weren't pinned either by Graham. Arms free, being spun around by more than 360 degrees and making no attempt to get rid of the ball, should be HTB.
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1668069934788923394
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyYtZ-waIAAW89g?format=jpg&name=small)
As you say JP, the ump (O'Gorman) caused the tackle to go to unnecessarily go to ground because he didn't blow his whistle when he should have.
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About time someone in the media finally called out how Richmond was/is shafted by the umps.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fyi4ND5akAAg4qf?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/13/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams-in-13/
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Why don’t they pay free kicks for us
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Bolton tripped.
Samson held.
Kmac's arms chopped.
Jack tackled high.
It's as usual the ones they don't pay us.
Meanwhile, Auskick rules apply to Max King and the Saints.
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Another disgraceful effort
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Needs to be a royal commission into this garbage
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Why did the saints get a free from that nank mark on the wing? At the game and didn’t see anything. They went straight up and kicked a goal from that.
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Why did the saints get a free from that nank mark on the wing? At the game and didn’t see anything. They went straight up and kicked a goal from that.
Allegedly Grimes holding wanganeen
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Just 3 frees in the first half last week. Only 5 tonight. It's amazing how opposition teams are so perfect when they play us ::)
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The guy was holding Bolton’s jumper :banghead
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Stuffing cheats
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It’s a difficult game to watch when the idiots adjudicate inconsistently.
I’m not sure I can watch this poo
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We're going to lose and it's because of this bs
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Well another butt ream without lube
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12-25 in the wet
Stuffing disgrace
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Commentators too soft/in the AFL's pocket to call it, too. 😠
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Last month
12-25 tonight
7-18 vs Freo
10-15 vs giants
14-23 vs Port
Total 43-81
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Last month
12-25 tonight
7-18 vs Freo
10-15 vs giants
14-23 vs Port
Total 43-81
Unbelievable!
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Just 3 frees in the first half last week. Only 5 tonight. It's amazing how opposition teams are so perfect when they play us ::)
I think it was only 3 to 3/4 time last week
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Club should refuse to play next week in protest.... :shh
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Newsflash; Richmond will not play next week .
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Absolutely pitiful, a player with his head down in und into a Richmond player, free kick for head high, happened more than once, total frog excrement
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Last month
12-25 tonight
7-18 vs Freo
10-15 vs giants
14-23 vs Port
Total 43-81
It’s readily apparent that if we look like winning the umpires will manipulate and cheat so as to do everything to make us lose
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The positive in getting smashed in the free kicks count is another indicator that we are playing very aggressive football …. Our trademark
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The positive in getting smashed in the free kicks count is another indicator that we are playing very aggressive football …. Our trademark
pies play the same brand and seem to always comfortably sit at or near the top of the free kick count :shh
I dont agree GIG we get reamed by those inbreds.
That is a fact.
you only have to watch that final with Lynch's non paid goal last year to know how bad we get stuffed over.
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I must admit the calls have got me off my seat plenty of times and the one that has blown my gasket is the mansell one .. how they can suspend him at all for doing
What every young kid has been taught since the dawn of time , eyes on the ball and hard at it .
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I must admit the calls have got me off my seat plenty of times and the one that has blown my gasket is the mansell one .. how they can suspend him at all for doing
What every young kid has been taught since the dawn of time , eyes on the ball and hard at it .
i think they are blatant cheats and have thought that for a long time now.
the lynch decision last year was the final straw for me. I suspect the afl really hate us because behind the scenes we must be seriously calling this out
We need to be more like the nba and epl and unlike this communist regime poo the afl dogs have us in.
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Like so many I get steamed by the lack of frees for us, rather than the frees paid against us.
Last night Max King in a pack reached back with his arm to feel for Balta & got his hand right up onto Balta's neck. He used this hold to stop Balta from getting to the ball. King released the hold at the last minute to grab the ball with both hands & was paid the mark by the umpire who was 10mtrs away & on the right side to easily see King's hand pushing back into Balta's neck.
How can the ump pay the mark? It was beyond obvious, dam well conspicuous! High contact just for starters, holding in a marking contest as well, all while the ball was more than 5mtrs from the contest.
Nope - pay the mark!
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Ross blatantly held off the ball on the 50 near the boundary late in the game. >:(
In fact our players -Bolton & Prestia in particular seem to cop it- are blatantly held off the ball every game without penalty. >:( >:(
Also love it when our players get penalised for high tackles on blokes at least 6 inches taller then them without their feet even leaving the ground. >:( >:( >:(
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The one that had me within a millimetre blowing a woofer valve was the high contact called against Prestia
Saints player picks up the ball and then deliberately leds with his head in to Prestia and Prestia gets pinged for head high contact
Seriously what the? The rule is very clear led with your head and you won't be getting a free and should be pinged for either HTB or it gets called for a stoppage under the now beyond stupid "prior opportunity" rule
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I dread to think what awaits us in Brisbane in a fortnight might go see the Doc and get some medication in advance
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The one that had me within a millimetre blowing a woofer valve was the high contact called against Prestia
Saints player picks up the ball and then deliberately leds with his head in to Prestia and Prestia gets pinged for head high contact
Seriously what the? The rule is very clear led with your head and you won't be getting a free and should be pinged for either HTB or it gets called for a stoppage under the now beyond stupid "prior opportunity" rule
I’m convinced this rule has caused so many issues it’s not funny. It’s the most negative rule in the game.
Players are instructed by coaches to cause stoppage so they can set up defensively and reset.
So we see players hold onto the ball longer or create the illusion that they are trying to make an attempt at disposal. Or players will handball to teammates under more pressure so it will cause a stoppage.
Even if we think about the sling tackle crack down that has been implemented and is high on the agenda now.
If there is no prior opportunity rule, then the whistle is blown immediately because the player with the ball hasn’t disposed of it. No need for the umpire to wait, no grey area and no reason to delay his response thus there is no reason for a player to prolong the tackle which ultimately results in a sling tackle.
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Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
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Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
If the ball isn't disposed of legally, yes I think that's the suggestion.
Pick it up and get rid of it or just punch/kick it along
Personally I think we shouldn't pay high contact if it doesn't start high and isn't severe.
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I just watched the replay of the game. The umpiring was as shocking on TV as it was watching it live at the ground :help.
There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.
I also had to laugh when Razor Ray said to one of our players who queried why there wasn't a free to us for high contact - "Nah, it was accidental" :huh. Can Razor show us in the AFL rulebook where "I didn't mean to do it" is an excuse? ::)
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Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
If the ball isn't disposed of legally, yes I think that's the suggestion.
Pick it up and get rid of it or just punch/kick it along
Personally I think we shouldn't pay high contact if it doesn't start high and isn't severe.
That would result in a ridiculous amount of free kicks and get rid of all stoppages other than throw ins and centre bounces.
Prior opportunity itself isn’t a rule it’s a way that they adjudicate the holding the ball rule. if you make it so players would be pinged holding the ball even if they are tackled straight away then what is their motivation to grab the ball other than in uncontested situations? You’d be left with players just kicking it off the ground or continuously paddling it on the ground or even worse just huddled around the ball waiting for someone to pick it up just so they can tackle them and win a free kick.
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If a player has the time to take more than one step then they have the time to get rid off the ball. Reduce the (unofficial?) 360 rule to 240 as well. :shh
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Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
If the ball isn't disposed of legally, yes I think that's the suggestion.
Pick it up and get rid of it or just punch/kick it along
Personally I think we shouldn't pay high contact if it doesn't start high and isn't severe.
That would result in a ridiculous amount of free kicks and get rid of all stoppages other than throw ins and centre bounces.
Prior opportunity itself isn’t a rule it’s a way that they adjudicate the holding the ball rule. if you make it so players would be pinged holding the ball even if they are tackled straight away then what is their motivation to grab the ball other than in uncontested situations? You’d be left with players just kicking it off the ground or continuously paddling it on the ground or even worse just huddled around the ball waiting for someone to pick it up just so they can tackle them and win a free kick.
Used to be more like that a long time ago.
Less congestion would be good. Not saying it's the way to go though.
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Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
If the ball isn't disposed of legally, yes I think that's the suggestion.
Pick it up and get rid of it or just punch/kick it along
Personally I think we shouldn't pay high contact if it doesn't start high and isn't severe.
That would result in a ridiculous amount of free kicks and get rid of all stoppages other than throw ins and centre bounces.
Prior opportunity itself isn’t a rule it’s a way that they adjudicate the holding the ball rule. if you make it so players would be pinged holding the ball even if they are tackled straight away then what is their motivation to grab the ball other than in uncontested situations? You’d be left with players just kicking it off the ground or continuously paddling it on the ground or even worse just huddled around the ball waiting for someone to pick it up just so they can tackle them and win a free kick.
Used to be more like that a long time ago.
Less congestion would be good. Not saying it's the way to go though.
Must have been pre-afl era? From what I can remember ‘prior opportunity’ has been reduced more and more as the years go by.
Imo the main cause of the inconsistent umpiring is that the afl feel the need to add more rules and change the interpretation of existing rules in their pathetic attempt to open up the game because apparently that’s what the ‘fans’ want.
Leave the game alone I say. It’s fine how it is/was. Nothing they are doing are actually proving to statistically increase scoring (at least significantly) and they are just making it aesthetically worse seeing players stand around like traffic cones like it’s netball.
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There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.
This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3xpGkakAAG_VN?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1670256734563352576
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I dread to think what awaits us in Brisbane in a fortnight might go see the Doc and get some medication in advance
Brisbane with the best free kick differential in the league while we have the second worst. What could possibly go wrong…..
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There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.
This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3xpGkakAAG_VN?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1670256734563352576
Clearly the free was wrong but once paid the dissent was the right call
I get that Shai was peeved but he just has shut up. He gives away to many 50 metre penalties
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You’re right WP but it’s much easier said then done with the shaftings we are continually getting not to explode at some point especially during tight contests.
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I do love when Jobe Watson says the ump (Razor) was blindsided and missed Bolton's jumper being grabbed. Isn't this why there's four umpires now?
Vision of the above Bolton pic: https://twitter.com/outbreezyWC/status/1670030767274221569
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I do love when Jobe Watson says the ump (Razor) was blindsided and missed Bolton's jumper being grabbed. Isn't this why there's four umpires now?
Vision of the above Bolton pic: https://twitter.com/outbreezyWC/status/1670030767274221569
The single biggest problem with the 4 ump system is you have an umpire like Razor who will call what he sees even if he isn't the controlling ump which is why they bought in this system. But then you have others who just look at one another and do nothing. They even go to blow their whistle and stop at the last second :banghead
Now there was a free for a hold against Cotch in the 2nd I think it was that Razor called as the non officiating ump while Boton was running forward. I think most us got agitated because the ball was bought back to Cotch but it was actually the correct call. Ball had to come back as Razor had called the free, can't pay advantage if a free is called by the non officiating ump. This situation is why we have 4 umpires now. Point I'm trying to make is this system will only work if ALL umps are prepared to pay the stuff they see (like Razor did) then the system may just stand a chance
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There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.
This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3xpGkakAAG_VN?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1670256734563352576
Clearly the free was wrong but once paid the dissent was the right call
I get that Shai was peeved but he just has shut up. He gives away to many 50 metre penalties
The umps were pathetic, however this one the ump was facing the players, thus didn't see the hold on the back of the jumper.
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I just watched the replay of the game. The umpiring was as shocking on TV as it was watching it live at the ground :help.
There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.
I also had to laugh when Razor Ray said to one of our players who queried why there wasn't a free to us for high contact - "Nah, it was accidental" :huh. Can Razor show us in the AFL rulebook where "I didn't mean to do it" is an excuse? ::)
Shocking call from Razor Ray- we are never afforded the same- ever!
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There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.
This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3xpGkakAAG_VN?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1670256734563352576
Clearly the free was wrong but once paid the dissent was the right call
I get that Shai was peeved but he just has shut up. He gives away to many 50 metre penalties
The rule is being over officiated and is a killer for the game like the host of other things the AFL does to stuff up the game.
A crap decision is a crap decision and anyone should have the right to express their disagreeance with it as long as it isnt over the top or physically threatening.
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Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳
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Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳
In all seriousness he should be suspended
Head high contact even accidental is reportable offence, he should go straight to tribunal and get a minimum of 4 weeks
And our mate Stewart is likely in trouble again for cheap shot on Viney. Pushing him over when he is clearly injured will be frowned upon by HQ too
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And our mate Stewart is likely in trouble again for cheap shot on Viney. Pushing him over when he is clearly injured will be frowned upon by HQ too
Jon Ralph reckons Stewart will only cop a fine for that.
"Not a great look, is it?"
Tom Stewart could be facing a sanction for this incident where he pushed over a sore Jack Viney.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1671834480162787328
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Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳
Why didn't Rohan "slow down slightly"? That's what the tribunal told Mansell he should've decided to do in less than 0.2 of a second ::).
Watch the incident here: https://twitter.com/SamFaff/status/1671815867716501505
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Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳
Why didn't Rohan "slow down slightly"? That's what the tribunal told Mansell he should've decided to do in less than 0.2 of a second ::).
Watch the incident here: https://twitter.com/SamFaff/status/1671815867716501505
Plus he wasn’t looking at the ball.
Well he did cause the injury through negligence.
It does beg the question that should he be charged with injuring another player even though on the same team?
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Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳
Why didn't Rohan "slow down slightly"? That's what the tribunal told Mansell he should've decided to do in less than 0.2 of a second ::).
Watch the incident here: https://twitter.com/SamFaff/status/1671815867716501505
Plus he wasn’t looking at the ball.
Well he did cause the injury through negligence.
It does beg the question that should he be charged with injuring another player even though on the same team?
its all about having a duty of care for other players on the field and since accidents dont come into it anymore he should be banned
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Actually agree with Cornes here :o.
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If Gary Rohan was an opposition player, would he have been suspended for the collision with teammate Jeremy Cameron?
This is the question Kane Cornes put to David King in the aftermath of Geelong’s clash against Melbourne.
Cornes: “I was just studying it… I don’t know what he was doing by the way, he put himself in a really awful position.
“He had no right to be in Jeremy Cameron’s way and then at the last minute tried to get out the way.
“I think he would get suspended if he was an opposition player.”
King: “Oh my god, you’re not serious”
Cornes: “Have another look at it.”
King: “It’s in a marking contest, he’s coming in.”
Cornes: “He has a play on the ball and he opts to bump.”
King: “He was trying to get out of the way.”
Cornes: “I know but he had a play on the ball, clearly cause he saw it was his own teammate he thought, ‘I’m an absolute goose that I’m in this space,’ and there’s a few people pointing out that it was similar to the (Rhyan) Mansell – (James) Aish incident.”
King: “No, Mansell’s was a live ball, it was a bobbling ball and he did turn and choose to bump, so that’s where he was in trouble, and concussed (Aish).”
Cornes: “I think three to four weeks (if Rohan was a Melbourne player).”
King: “You’re not serious.”
Cornes: “Honestly, have another look at it.”
King: You cannot possibly mean this.”
Cornes: Have another look at it, he has elected to bump, he’s got him high, he’s knocked him senseless, 100 per cent he would be suspended.
“But the thought that you could suspend someone from your own team, this is where the game has lost the plot, there were a lot of suggestions around that last night.”
King: No one is seriously suggesting that are they?
Cornes: “They are. If you think Gary Rohan was a Melbourne player, how many weeks would he get?”
King: I can’t believe you’re going with the affirmative on this.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/22/would-gary-rohan-have-been-suspended-if-he-was-a-melbourne-player/
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Rohan was never in the marking contest
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I'd love Rohan to be rubbed out cause of the hatred for Cats but this is where the grey area is around trying to decide did the player have any alternative and time to choose that alternative to avoid head high contact.
The answer will be no, cause any half minded player would chose an alternative than to hurt a team mate or collide with a team mate.
Unfortunately this is decided by people who have played very little footy who don't understand accidents and heavy unavoidable collisions happen.
I don't think in the last 2 years we've seen anyone be lined up accept for
Stewart on Prestia
De Goey on the Eagles kid
Kosi to Smith
All other bumps I recall are either just collisions, protecting/evasion or attacking the footy.
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I'd love Rohan to be rubbed out cause of the hatred for Cats but this is where the grey area is around trying to decide did the player have any alternative and time to choose that alternative to avoid head high contact.
The answer will be no, cause any half minded player would chose an alternative than to hurt a team mate or collide with a team mate.
Unfortunately this is decided by people who have played very little footy who don't understand accidents and heavy unavoidable collisions happen.
I don't think in the last 2 years we've seen anyone be lined up accept for
Stewart on Prestia
De Goey on the Eagles kid
Kosi to Smith
All other bumps I recall are either just collisions, protecting/evasion or attacking the footy.
Stewart on Prestia
De Goey on the Eagles kid
Kosi to Smith
Danger to Vlas
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He would 1000% be suspended if he were a Melbourne player. Don’t know what league David king has been watching all year but it certainly isn’t the afl.
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No surprise. The MRO says all clear (re: Rohan on Cameron).
Stewart copped a fine.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/954595/match-review-fritsch-learns-fate-for-tackle-star-cat-fined
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Watching the Essendon vs Freo game, and it almost like the umpires played a free kick alto Essendon at every contest in the last until they got Essendon back into the game
Need to lose 2 umpires as they just playing free kicks to make themselves relevant
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Watching the Essendon vs Freo game, and it almost like the umpires played a free kick alto Essendon at every contest in the last until they got Essendon back into the game
Need to lose 2 umpires as they just playing free kicks to make themselves relevant
I thought this too, Brad Scott sent a few texts I think.
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Umpires have been slaughtering us for a decade or more now. Disappointing Benny hasn't taken this further
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Conversely, the umps gift the Pies frees and 50s to get them over the line.
Nick Daicos for all his talent is the biggest diver and faker for frees there is now. How often do we see our players in the surge way we play being held after disposal to prevent them receiving the next ball and we never get a 50. However, Daicos, just because he is bumped while running past (happens 100 times a game), throws his arms up in the air in front of the ump like he's been shot, and the ump falls for it and gifts the Pies 50 plus a goal late in a tight game.
Wouldn't it be great if we got virtually twice the number of frees as the opposition most weeks. Instead, we're lucky to get half ::).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzcjAaAaUAAbt0r?format=jpg&name=large)
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Daicos is a fluff. Cheap stats. Plays bruise free with her skirt on. 2/3rds of his stats are nothing stats. Most overrated overhyped player in the league.
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Free kick numbers for key forwards in 2023 per game:
Cox (2.33)
Curnow (1.57)
B. King (1.50)
Allen (1.43)
McKay (1.43)
Franklin (1.22)
Naughton (1.21)
Larkey (1.07)
Jackson (1.07)
Ugle-Hagan (1.07)
Darling (1.00)
Comben (1.00)
M. King (1.00)
Wright (1.00)
Cameron (0.93)
Daniher (0.93)
Hogan (0.85)
McStay (0.80)
Riewoldt (0.77)
Walker (0.77)
McDonald (0.67)
Dixon (0.67)
Fogarty (0.58)
Hipwood (0.57)
Hawkins (0.50)
Lynch (0.50)
Casboult (0.45)
Mihocek (0.43)
Taberner (0.25)
https://twitter.com/maluckyday99/status/1672896521413742592
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From the HeraldSun's Sam Landsberger:
Izak Rankine robbed. Reckon that was a clear goal. How can the same ARC change Tom Lynch’s goal to a behind in last year’s elimination final, but deem that insufficient evidence?
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/1672839001533984768
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-adelaide-crows-to-seek-clarity-over-big-umpire-calls-in-round-15-loss-to-collingwood/news-story/701463f60515afd8acb55d9f69e1fa5f
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I don’t think that there was enough in the video they had to overturn the umpires call. Rankine kicked the ball at the same time as the magpies players hand was on it so we don’t know who it came off last. It also went past another Collingwood defenders leg so may have been touched there as well as question marks on whether it totally crossed the line. Staying with the umps call their right decision there imo.
Don’t get me started on the lynch goal :banghead
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Don’t get me started on the lynch goal :banghead
Have the AFL released the definitive angle yet? #Umpirescall #sorrynotsorry
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1673826776823517184
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Don’t get me started on the lynch goal :banghead
If I recall correctly it should have been an automated 50m penalty to Lynch before he even kicked it.
I forget who the man on the mark was , possibly Andrews, moved off his line, didn't stand!! Maybe I'm wrong but iirc that's how it was and wasn't even mentioned.
I have to go back and see it again
Have the AFL released the definitive angle yet? #Umpirescall #sorrynotsorry
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1673826776823517184
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Hard to play when the oppo's allowed to hold you off the ball every single stuffing week.... :banghead
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Not that it made much difference but how many blatant htb calls did they miss tonight? >:(
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Not that it made much difference but how many blatant htb calls did they miss tonight? >:(
And throws too fmd
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Not that it made much difference but how many blatant htb calls did they miss tonight? >:(
And throws too fmd
Thought it was state of origin with some of the passes
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From "Has the umpire made A Bad decision?" twitter feed:
Berry's throw:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/BrisbaneThrowNotPaidaFreeR162023.gif)
I'd want this paid a throw
The question is whether he throws it or simply loses possession. The fact in ends perfectly In the hands of a team-mate suggests he had some control
Incorrect disposal, he ELECTS to dispose incorrectly.
It's a more 50/50 decision than many think #AFL
https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1674659315603640322
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It's a throw & no other word can describe it. I suppose I could hitch on the word 'blatant' to describe it too.
The most perplexing bit is that the umpire was 10mtrs away with a perfect view of it ... flap flap ... play on! :thumbsdown
Now, this one was as obvious as possible, so what hope is there that the umpires are going to see the really quick & sneaky throws at the bottom of the pack?
This was shockingly bad, but its the 100 other missed/non-decisions that really give one side a green light to do whatever they like.
That's why we just want the rules to be the same for both sides .... :help
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What's your call?
Ball up, HTB or too high?
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/GuldenDuckNoFreeR172023.gif)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1676920895481233408
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Shai Bolton in the grasp of an octopus at a F50 ball up.
Any chance that’s a free?
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/BoltonHeldNoFreeR172023.gif)
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1677212155542925312
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This was happening at every single contest. Was one FK paid? No.
Despite this, Sydney got a holding the man free when Cotchin was holding the fingertip of Parker in the opening seconds.
Absurd.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0ZTIdeaAAA0_rw?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/lukebrazierr/status/1677119324119789569
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From the 👆
First one is HTB. Sitting there looking (sooking) for a free is prior, he ,ade no attempt to dispose fo the ball
Second one technically holding the man. But not surprised it wasn't paid
3rd one is holding the man, I thought that's one of the reasons they bought in a 4th ump, to pay these
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Umps have been letting the opposition blatantly hold our players off the ball for the last few seasons, every side, including us, gets away with it at least once or twice a game but it seems to happen at least half a dozen times a game against us. :banghead
Then there was the seemingly differing appolication of the deliberate oob rule. :banghead :banghead
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Umps have been letting the opposition blatantly hold our players off the ball for the last few seasons, every side, including us, gets away with it at least once or twice a game but it seems to happen at least half a dozen times a game against us. :banghead
Then there was the seemingly differing appolication of the deliberate oob rule. :banghead :banghead
The deliberate rulings were shocking
There was a couple that I was stunned at , especially the accidental one that Young kicked out
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Umps have been letting the opposition blatantly hold our players off the ball for the last few seasons, every side, including us, gets away with it at least once or twice a game but it seems to happen at least half a dozen times a game against us. :banghead
Then there was the seemingly differing appolication of the deliberate oob rule. :banghead :banghead
The deliberate rulings were shocking
There was a couple that I was stunned at , especially the accidental one that Young kicked out
Was surprised they didn't ping Bolton late in the 4th after the precedent they had set.
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Umps have been letting the opposition blatantly hold our players off the ball for the last few seasons, every side, including us, gets away with it at least once or twice a game but it seems to happen at least half a dozen times a game against us. :banghead
Then there was the seemingly differing appolication of the deliberate oob rule. :banghead :banghead
The deliberate rulings were shocking
There was a couple that I was stunned at , especially the accidental one that Young kicked out
Umpire bashing :laugh: ;)
Seriously though, IIRC Young tapped it over while on the ground. Umps ping that if you've lost your feet. Tylar needed to be more subtle about it. Needs a lesson from Grimesy who is an expect at getting the ball over the boundary line while pretending not to be.
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Why can’t we get those easy frees?
Nank marks the ball, the umpire calls outside 5 meters and then the swans player runs back to the mark?
@AFL please explain why it’s not a 50 meters? Oh yeah it’s richmond
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/WhyNot50R172023.gif)
With sound: https://twitter.com/TroutWoodend/status/1677655749323898881
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The team the stand rule was brought in to stop concedes the most 50's under said rule but hardly gets any themselves....nothing to see here... :whistle
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An investigation into the state of umpiring and constant new rules to ensure fairness and consistency for all with no bias should be the 1st thing on the agenda when the malingering politicians Macwoke and colwoke are disgarded and the new bosses start
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Gee Brisbane got fingered badly by umps, throws must be allowed by Melbourne, they had so many of them
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Dumping tackle?
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680063196827357184
If it was a Richmond player, it would be a free against us.
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Dumping tackle?
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680063196827357184
If it was a Richmond player, it would be a free against us.
Shocker
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Nothing in it
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It would have been reported if it was a Richmond player tackling like that
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This was paid a free for a dangerous tackle in the Carlton-Port game.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680118790439280640
ps. It'll also likely go before the MRO as well as Byrne-Jones was subbed off later (at half-time) with concussion.
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This was paid a free for a dangerous tackle in the Carlton-Port game.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680118790439280640
ps. It'll also likely go before the MRO as well as Byrne-Jones was subbed off later (at half-time) with concussion.
Under the current rules Razor made the right call however stupid the rule is these days. He's one of the u,ps that pays it and is more importantly consistent in paying it
Carlton bloke will get at least 1-2 weeks
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This was paid a free for a dangerous tackle in the Carlton-Port game.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680118790439280640
ps. It'll also likely go before the MRO as well as Byrne-Jones was subbed off later (at half-time) with concussion.
Under the current rules Razor made the right call however stupid the rule is these days. He's one of the u,ps that pays it and is more importantly consistent in paying it
Carlton bloke will get at least 1-2 weeks
I agree, WP. Just pointing out the umpiring inconsistency (and Collingwood charity) when compared with Maynard's dumping tackle on Walters that wasn't paid a free.
ps. Given Byrne-Jones went off concussed shortly afterwards at half-time in the Blues-vs-Port game, Boyd could be facing 3 weeks if the MRO are consistent (ed: trying not to laugh while typing that!). It could end up another unfair harsh verdict for what was a football act that only a year ago wouldn't have even been looked at :-\.
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This was paid a free for a dangerous tackle in the Carlton-Port game.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680118790439280640
ps. It'll also likely go before the MRO as well as Byrne-Jones was subbed off later (at half-time) with concussion.
Under the current rules Razor made the right call however stupid the rule is these days. He's one of the u,ps that pays it and is more importantly consistent in paying it
Carlton bloke will get at least 1-2 weeks
I agree, WP. Just pointing out the umpiring inconsistency (and Collingwood charity) when compared with Maynard's dumping tackle on Walters that wasn't paid a free.
ps. Given Byrne-Jones went off concussed shortly afterwards at half-time in the Blues-vs-Port game, Boyd could be facing 3 weeks if the MRO are consistent (ed: trying not to laugh while typing that!). It could end up another unfair harsh verdict for what was a football act that only a year ago wouldn't have even been looked at :-\.
I really do w9nder if more umps paid "dangerous tackle" if we'd seeing less of these types of tackles?
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No impact on the result as it happened in the last minute, but Buckley tonight called out Hugo not receiving 50m for Witherden running into his protected area almost one metre right in front of Hugo, as the worst non-50 call of the year.
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No impact on the result as it happened in the last minute, but Buckley tonight called out Hugo not receiving 50m for Witherden running into his protected area almost one metre right in front of Hugo, as the worst non-50 call of the year.
Saw that and was furious for a brief moment before not giving a F anymore
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The umpiring in the last quarter was a disgrace. As usual it was the clear frees we didn't get that stood out. There were two different HTB interpretations for each side. Then we had the umps allow Sicily (granted who's a gun & beat Jack comfortably otherwise) to push Jack in the back, have a handful of Jack's jumper in the contest, and get paid a mark despite the ball hitting the ground :huh3.
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Until the cowards who don’t want to upset the AFL point out the bias, it will continue.
Consistency is the minimum
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Hopper jumper hugely grabbed and dragged in final centre bounce right in front of 32 who didn't pay it. Couldn't be a more obvious free.
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Those couple of deliberate out of bounds when our players got to a couple of foot of the ball were rediculus. We really need to get explanations of some of these decisions.
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Some serious questions need to be asked to the @AFL Umpires. 30 seconds to go, Vlaustin marks the pickett kick, does not deviate from his line and within 3 seconds of marking it, the umpire calls play on. Why ? That is not in the rules, its actually against them.
https://twitter.com/Tiger7192926603/status/1682659827208830976
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The 3 insufficient intent frees against us today?
Two with Richmond players within 2m as they went out.
One Bolton being tackled and off one step and kicking forward!
Should any of those been paid?
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1682645863355781120
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Yes! I’ve always thought that we get shafted by the umpires who call play on for no damn reason. Does my head in :banghead
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Some serious questions need to be asked to the @AFL Umpires. 30 seconds to go, Vlaustin marks the pickett kick, does not deviate from his line and within 3 seconds of marking it, the umpire calls play on. Why ? That is not in the rules, its actually against them.
https://twitter.com/Tiger7192926603/status/1682659827208830976
I hate to stick up for the umps but the Vlastuin call was correct. Watching the replay, camera angle is from behind Nick makes a small movement to kick to his right left hand side and them moves back on his line. Granted they rarely get called but it was the right call
As for the insufficient intent ones my God what a farce... one was right but 2 were pathetic, especially the first one against Grimes in the first. All because as suggested by David King Jack G didn't make enough of an attempt to touch it before it went out. Clear running 20 odd metres full tilt isn't enough of an attempt. Seriously, you can't make this dribble up.
What made that decision even worse was the controlling ump looked back at the ump near the goal square to ask what to do... :banghead. This happened at least 3 times at the Ponsford end. What a shambles.
Then in the final qtr you have an ump closer to the ball than apparently Jack G was to the ball standing watching a Hawks player handball it straight over the boundary line and no insufficient intent or deliberate there we will have a throw in lads.
:banghead :banghead
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It is a shambles, our game pitiful, pies / port game was shocking, pies were very favoured, Davies ducks and gets a free, Ppepper, nearly gets his head ripped off nothing.
All we want is consistency.
What really annoys me is when someone is holding the ball and they get taken over the boundary line.
I think the team that last touches the ball when it goes over the boundary line, the other team gets to handball it in.
When ootf the other team can kick it in.
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"I’m guessing this is the standard now.
Full forward takes a mark on 50.
Defender can take 3-4 side steps on the mark with the ump yelling STAND and that’s OK.
The more I look at this, the worse it gets.
Have you ever, since the Stand rule came in, seen such leeway given to a player who has chosen to STAND?
Mark is on the left of the logo.
Look where Sicily finally stops moving sideways.
BTW, Jack is clearly trying to kick it to Coulthard, and Sicily is clearly moving to stop that kick down the line.
Remind me again why the STAND rule was brought in."
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/WhatStandRuleSicilyRiewoldtR192023.gif)
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1682874453762666496
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The umps in the Melbourne Crows game clearly favouring Melbourne.
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"I’m guessing this is the standard now.
Full forward takes a mark on 50.
Defender can take 3-4 side steps on the mark with the ump yelling STAND and that’s OK.
The more I look at this, the worse it gets.
Have you ever, since the Stand rule came in, seen such leeway given to a player who has chosen to STAND?
Mark is on the left of the logo.
Look where Sicily finally stops moving sideways.
BTW, Jack is clearly trying to kick it to Coulthard, and Sicily is clearly moving to stop that kick down the line.
Remind me again why the STAND rule was brought in."
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/WhatStandRuleSicilyRiewoldtR192023.gif)
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1682874453762666496
Jack was so far off his line moving to the right, not sure I am anywhere near as aggrieved as some for this one.
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No surprise we are again down near the bottom of the free kick count ::).
THE 2023 FREE KICK LADDER - ROUND 19
Andrew Slevison
SEN
25 July 2023
Least frees for
1 - GWS (270)
2 - Richmond (285)
3 - Hawthorn (298)
4 - Essendon (305)
5 - North Melbourne (306)
Worst differentials
1 - North Melbourne (-51)
2 - Port Adelaide (-48)
3 - Richmond (-43)
4 - Adelaide (-32)
5 - Hawthorn (-31)
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/y2mpMSTHgjPHrWtbgu4dz/92601d78cae877c712790686ebe5c2d4/Screen_Shot_2023-07-24_at_3.05.50_pm.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/07/25/the-2023-free-kick-ladder-round-19/
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Umps doing their best to get Melbourne over the line
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And Broad gets taken high and it’s ignored for a holding the ball
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And Broad gets taken high and it’s ignored for a holding the ball
Should have knocked it through.
He drew the contact and didn't dispose of the ball, had opportunity imo
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And Broad gets taken high and it’s ignored for a holding the ball
Should have knocked it through.
He drew the contact and didn't dispose of the ball, had opportunity imo
Cmon Andy he was tackled immediately and high too. At worst it’s a ball up.
We’ve been tackling these guys all day and the balls been dropped or thrown and we’ve gotten only 1 call.
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And Broad gets taken high and it’s ignored for a holding the ball
Should have knocked it through.
He drew the contact and didn't dispose of the ball, had opportunity imo
My take is that he seen that dirty sniper Pickett coming for him and tried to defend himself
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Killed the game the pricks
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Gave Melbourne a nice kick start when they most needed it..... :shh
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I rarely pot umpires, they've got a tough job
But for 3qtrs HTB was non existent
Then in the final qtr it was HTB heaven for the Dees. They got at least 6 or more
Those decisions had a significant bearing on the final result
A great game of footy ruined by whistle happy morons in the final qtr
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Gave Melbourne a nice kick start when they most needed it..... :shh
When you think about it it must be very deflating playing you guts out only to have all your hard effort stollen from you. Getting up from this every week would be very rough and you can see how we can drop off at times. Credit to our guys fighting through this week after week.
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I’m sick of being stuffed over by the umpires - I won’t be renewing my membership until the club takes a stance publicly
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Gave Melbourne a nice kick start when they most needed it..... :shh
When you think about it it must be very deflating playing you guts out only to have all your hard effort stollen from you. Getting up from this every week would be very rough and you can see how we can drop off at times. Credit to our guys fighting through this week after week.
And the worse thing as a player is you aren’t allowed to show your displeasure otherwise you get hit with dissent
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/PiesFanSaysTigesGotShaftedByUmpsR202023.png)
https://twitter.com/Collin_G_Wood/status/1685560719612551169
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Two of the 50s:
Against Hopper.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/50mV1R202023.gif)
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1685538871356911616
Against Balta.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/50mV2R202023.gif)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1685548794690023424
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The Hopper one to the letter of the law was correct
BUT... 9 times out of 10 it doesn't get paid. :banghead :help
While Gawn should be embarrassed by his pathetic acting skills, it was stupid by Noah. Again under the rules it's 50 but for every one that gets paid a dozen don't
Both show how inconsistent the umpires are. It continues to cost teams games
I'm staggered that no one's mentioned the May, drop, throw call it what you like in the third down towards the Ponsford end Warne Stand side. The first of 2 defining moments in the 3rd qtr. It being the first and the Grimes deliberate being the 2nd
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Is it correct we got only 1 free kick after half time bewildering.
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Is it correct we got only 1 free kick after half time bewildering.
Free kicks were 5 - 2 our way at half time. Finished 9 - 11, so 4 frees to 9 in the 2nd half.
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Frees 9 to 11 for the match? It seems the only decisions being made are when to stop play for a ball up. I don't know how many tackles were laid (I'm guessing it was plenty from both sides) but when Gawn is constantly allowed to push Soldo square in the back & help himself to an easy hit out 40+ times, a ball up call is actually just handing Melbourne the ball ... :help
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/GetRidOfUmpiresR202023.png)
https://twitter.com/SENGiddyUp/status/1685806483047628801
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How does the umpire possibility miss this free kick on Pickett?
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/MarlionPickettTakenHighNoFreeR202023.gif)
https://twitter.com/The_Inside_Word/status/1685551866216927232
Dan Rioli's reaction says it all.
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If Marlion laid that tackle he would be reported. Front on contact, head high contact nothing to see here, play on.
But remember that the head is sacrosanct. :banghead
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No excuses for the errors we make as they are the prime reason we are loosing but the frees we don't get that the opposition get every week are making the games almost unwatchable. It must be so down hearting for the players to go though it every week.
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Watching port v Gee, port getting totally reamed by umps, disgraceful
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Tha actual game is now a complete farce. It's gone completely soft and is over officiated.
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Watching port v Gee, port getting totally reamed by umps, disgraceful
That good bloke Stewart dives and gets a free for in the back. Horne-Francis goes off, cops 50. Gamer changer right there
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Watching port v Gee, port getting totally reamed by umps, disgraceful
As well as the Cats leading the free kick count 31-19, the Power were intrigued as to why umpire Brendan Hosking paid 15 free kicks alone to Geelong.
Coach Ken Hinkley alluded to the lopsided free kick count post-game and Kane Cornes says the Power even called the AFL umpire’s department on Sunday to seek clarification on why Hosking awarded so many free kicks to one team.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/07/port-adelaide-sought-clarification-regarding-free-kicks-in-wake-of-geelong/
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Hosking = Geelong, they are taking P1ss now, surely
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Wish our coaches would at least "allude" to the umps every now & then after a reaming instead of giving us the "it's a difficult game to umpire" bollocks. :shh
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I want somebody like Benny to issue a 'please explain' to the AFL about why the umpires never pinged the Bulldogs for throwing the ball ... ::)
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Best to just wait until Geelong complains about it - they obviously haven't yet. :shh
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ooh but they are doing a great job, you know its very hard to you know, award 15 free kicks to one side.
well done Hinkley. :clapping
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Every free kick Charlie Curnow has received in 2023 so far (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f440.svg)
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1689124901683388416
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Outrageous
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Outrageous
I wish Jack got looked after like that.
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I would love the see a JR comparison video where the frees are not paid.
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Every free kick Charlie Curnow has received in 2023 so far (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f440.svg)
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1689124901683388416
No issue with all those frees, they were all there. The big issue is our forwards never get paid those . Not Jack, not Tom no one
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20-7
Lol
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Given up on the umpires, I blame Richmond for continuing to stay silent. Richmond are weak as a club when it comes to this. They should have made a stand years ago re the umpires. Weak pussies
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Given up on the umpires, I blame Richmond for continuing to stay silent. Richmond are weak as a club when it comes to this. They should have made a stand years ago re the umpires. Weak pussies
We did and this is what we get :shh
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They didn't do enough nor do it right. They copped the BS and accepted it
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Given up on the umpires, I blame Richmond for continuing to stay silent. Richmond are weak as a club when it comes to this. They should have made a stand years ago re the umpires. Weak pussies
Just because they don't publicly come out saying doesn't mean they have made contact numerous times.
It just makes very little difference
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Given up on the umpires, I blame Richmond for continuing to stay silent. Richmond are weak as a club when it comes to this. They should have made a stand years ago re the umpires. Weak pussies
It’s obvious there is a reason why we get shafted and most know why
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Absolutely disgusting. Saints got every friggin soft BS free kick on offer and we get our head pulled off and nothing, nada, zip, stuff all!
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Absolute disgrace @AFL umpires... How's the high tackle on Broad?? King get a small touch on the waist and gets a free kick. Bloody joke!
https://twitter.com/MickSunnyG/status/1690616979965800448
This was paid a free against us in the ruck :huh3 #rucklotto
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/DodgyFree1R222023.gif)
https://twitter.com/JetMahler/status/1690599985920745472
Mark not paid (ump said <15) and no push in the back :huh.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/DodgyFree2R222023.gif)
https://twitter.com/markwillo777/status/1690596950859722752
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If you touch King and it a free kick, what's Bauer got to do?
Held in the marking contest
Over the shoulder
In the back
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/DodgyFree3R222023.gif)
https://twitter.com/natasem150/status/1690614585999654913
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If you touch King and it a free kick, what's Bauer got to do?
Held in the marking contest
Over the shoulder
In the back
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/DodgyFree3R222023.gif)
https://twitter.com/natasem150/status/1690614585999654913
Learning curve for young fellow. Has to get used to being treated differently as a Tiger.
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If you touch King and it a free kick, what's Bauer got to do?
Held in the marking contest
Over the shoulder
In the back
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/DodgyFree3R222023.gif)
https://twitter.com/natasem150/status/1690614585999654913
Learning curve for young fellow. Has to get used to being treated differently as a Tiger.
Thanks for posting that. I was 150 metres away and was livid. Just want to make sure I saw it clearly.
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All time robbery over at Adelaide oval tonight.
Much worse than the horrendous tom lynch decision in the elimination final last year, not that I’m still dwelling…..
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All time robbery over at Adelaide oval tonight.
Much worse than the horrendous tom lynch decision in the elimination final last year, not that I’m still dwelling…..
Here's the vision from different camera angles. Clear goal which oddly wasn't reviewed. Fox Footy reckons the ump mistook the sound of Mills' arm hitting the post for the ball.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1692874376016761131
Once again, the shambolic goal review system has cost a team its season.
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AFL CEO Gil McLachlan admits goal umpiring error last night. Says it should have been reviewed and if it was would have been overturned and been a goal. A huge umpiring mistake.
Also revealed the goal umpire has been stood down and won’t be umpiring for the rest of the season.
Doesn’t feel the need for more technology because the review clearly showed it did not hit the post. A human error.
AFL has apologised to the Adelaide Football Club for the costly mistake.
Won’t and can’t overturn the result.
https://twitter.com/coreynorris9
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AFL CEO Gil McLachlan admits goal umpiring error last night. Says it should have been reviewed and if it was would have been overturned and been a goal. A huge umpiring mistake.
Also revealed the goal umpire has been stood down and won’t be umpiring for the rest of the season.
Doesn’t feel the need for more technology because the review clearly showed it did not hit the post. A human error.
AFL has apologised to the Adelaide Football Club for the costly mistake.
Won’t and can’t overturn the result.
https://twitter.com/coreynorris9
Why stand him down? Crucifying a bloke for making a mistake.
I thought every score was reviewed anyway or at least every goal is.
AFL should have done better.
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Every goal is reviewed not behinds
Only way last night stuff up could get reviewed is if the goal umpire called for it
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AFL CEO Gil McLachlan admits goal umpiring error last night. Says it should have been reviewed and if it was would have been overturned and been a goal. A huge umpiring mistake.
Also revealed the goal umpire has been stood down and won’t be umpiring for the rest of the season.
Doesn’t feel the need for more technology because the review clearly showed it did not hit the post. A human error.
AFL has apologised to the Adelaide Football Club for the costly mistake.
Won’t and can’t overturn the result.
https://twitter.com/coreynorris9
Why stand him down? Crucifying a bloke for making a mistake.
I thought every score was reviewed anyway or at least every goal is.
AFL should have done better.
He absolutely should be stood down - incompetent fools aren't held to account enough as it is.... protected species that no-one's allowed to criticise..... :thumbsdown
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AFL CEO Gil McLachlan admits goal umpiring error last night. Says it should have been reviewed and if it was would have been overturned and been a goal. A huge umpiring mistake.
Also revealed the goal umpire has been stood down and won’t be umpiring for the rest of the season.
Doesn’t feel the need for more technology because the review clearly showed it did not hit the post. A human error.
AFL has apologised to the Adelaide Football Club for the costly mistake.
Won’t and can’t overturn the result.
https://twitter.com/coreynorris9
Why stand him down? Crucifying a bloke for making a mistake.
I thought every score was reviewed anyway or at least every goal is.
AFL should have done better.
He absolutely should be stood down - incompetent fools aren't held to account enough as it is.... protected species that no-one's allowed to criticise..... :thumbsdown
I just think if the tech is there, use it.
Controlling umpire should have called for a review.
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So what difference it makes to crows robbed and out of finals corrupt this organisation.
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The umps are having a good week :whistle.
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Here's another example of umpire incompetence, not even my club. Something needs to be done. Just seems like there are more bad decisions with the four umpires.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F39GnqRaUAEETnd?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Big_Dan82/status/1693149637212004805
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Vault:
1985 Goal Umpiring error.
"One of the worst blunders in history here." - Peter McKenna.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/GoalumpireError1985.gif)
With sound: https://twitter.com/rhettrospective/status/1688477580649783296
Almost 40 years later and the League still can't get it right :whistle.
ps. Bonus points if you know who #28 for North is? Hint: You all know who he is from his role later on after his playing career.
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I am convinced this group of umpires are compromised. Either by bitter revenge, attitude or by something else. Umpiring has got worse even with extra umpires and Arc reviews. But and this is where the fault lies. If you create an environment where their performance is devoid of scrutiny then this is where we land. And it's a very dangerous platform.
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And this might sound a ridiculous statement, but what eye testing requirements does the AFL have for umpires. I say this because a little birdy has suggested to me today that the offending goal umpire may have a known issue with night vision... All the more reason why he should have requested the review. Which is why I am .....
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Vault:
1985 Goal Umpiring error.
"One of the worst blunders in history here." - Peter McKenna.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/GoalumpireError1985.gif)
With sound: https://twitter.com/rhettrospective/status/1688477580649783296
Almost 40 years later and the League still can't get it right :whistle.
ps. Bonus points if you know who #28 for North is? Hint: You all know who he is from his role later on after his playing career.
Andrew Demetriou
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I am convinced this group of umpires are compromised. Either by bitter revenge, attitude or by something else. Umpiring has got worse even with extra umpires and Arc reviews. But and this is where the fault lies. If you create an environment where their performance is devoid of scrutiny then this is where we land. And it's a very dangerous platform.
bingo
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A senior ARC official will have increased communication with the goal umpire for the finals series, in a move the AFL hopes will avoid score review controversy in September and beyond.
The Herald Sun reports the league will now install a senior ARC official for the finals, with the official to urge the goal umpire to hold up play before signalling the score, should the ARC believe the decision should be reviewed.
In addition to the senior official, another ARC member will be responsible for the review itself.
The league is also expecting goal umpires to review any borderline decisions in round 24.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-score-review-system-arc-changes-for-finals-goal-umpires-better-cameras-ben-keays/news-story/6ee02a006b5e9a985994cc45fab1dfed
This doesn't solve the Lynch non-goal debacle from last year's EF ::).
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THE ARC !
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4dTnxDakAAi4da?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/aflratingsPete/status/1695415732493066462
Welcome to the AFL using 1970s resolution :facepalm.
And these outdated cameras decided our EF last year :P.
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Gill has been the worst AFL Boss in the history of the game IMO. It is a total shambles and getting worse by the week. Not holding my breath things will improve next year either. :banghead
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THE ARC !
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4dTnxDakAAi4da?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/aflratingsPete/status/1695415732493066462
Welcome to the AFL using 1970s resolution :facepalm.
And these outdated cameras decided our EF last year :P.
All cameras should be high res, as it is in soccer
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Tuned in at 3QT and the umps have made a sure thing of this seriously.
F them
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The dangerous tackle call
:gobdrop :gobdrop
Absolute joke. Ensured a Port win
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stuff Gilligan and the incompetent umpires. Worst year of umpiring ever
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We were holding port players all day according to umps, they were holding us too but no free kicks, total bs
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One of the most annoying rules when umpires have no feel for the game. This is not holding the ball, he trips over.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/GrimesTripPaidHTB.gif)
https://twitter.com/JetMahler/status/1695665263432364475
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One of the most annoying rules when umpires have no feel for the game. This is not holding the ball, he trips over.
https://twitter.com/JetMahler/status/1695665263432364475
Yes he does, though that could be disputed but please roll the rest of the tape ::)
If it was the other way we'd be screaming for a free. Granted we wouldn't have got it but we'd be screaming for it.
Poor example of the shocking umpiring in the last qtr.
Get vision of the so called dangerous tackle, now that's a shocker
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One of the most annoying rules when umpires have no feel for the game. This is not holding the ball, he trips over.
https://twitter.com/JetMahler/status/1695665263432364475
Yes he does, though that could be disputed but please roll the rest of the tape ::)
If it was the other way we'd be screaming for a free. Granted we wouldn't have got it but we'd be screaming for it.
Poor example of the shocking umpiring in the last qtr.
Get vision of the so called dangerous tackle, now that's a shocker
He doesn’t trip over, he was tripped by Rioli who clearly grabs his foot. Grimes makes enough mistakes these days, we don’t have to add to that with ones which should be free kicks our way.
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The 2023 Free Kick Ladder
Least frees for
1 - GWS Giants (355)
2 - Richmond (357)
Eq.3 - Gold Coast (379)
Eq.3 - Western Bulldogs (379)
5 - Hawthorn (380)
Worst differentials
1 - Port Adelaide (-68)
2 - Richmond (-59)
Eq.3 - North Melbourne (-53)
Eq.3 - Gold Coast (-53)
5 - Adelaide (-34)
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/3cjXinYHaKKmFz2TaNjP27/a177db453f3dc07a11f055491913df60/Screen_Shot_2023-09-01_at_9.25.55_am.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/31/the-2023-free-kick-ladder-home-and-away-season/
Same old same old ::) :thumbsdown
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Same old same old ::) :thumbsdown
Disagree
We normally finish tailed off last
Wonder who Port peeed off
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Dan Richardson, who is head of umpiring, gave the umps a grade of 7-8 out of 10 this year.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1697523435918983453
:nope
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Dan Richardson, who is head of umpiring, gave the umps a grade of 7-8 out of 10 this year.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1697523435918983453
:nope
7-8 out of ten?
I'd give them a 5 and that's only because they have to deal with the most ridiculous rules and because they appear to getv told to focus on a rule of the week
No wonder there's no consistency
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Dan Richardson, who is head of umpiring, gave the umps a grade of 7-8 out of 10 this year.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1697523435918983453
:nope
7-8 out of ten?
I'd give them a 5 and that's only because they have to deal with the most ridiculous rules and because they appear to getvotod to focus on a rule of the week
No wonder there's no consistency
I used to measure the umpires/umpiring by how much you noticed them during a game. If you hardly noticed them they'd done a good job. Nowadays they are far too noticeable & have far too much influence on the games.
Not always their fault as you say, the rules are far too complicated, there are too many of them (4 different umpires = 4 different interpretations) etc etc.
Simplify the rules/interpretations, return to 3 umpires & watch the game flourish again.
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Maynard contact with Brayshaw.
Accidental in the moment but gee the AFL have made a rod for their backs on this one
Should be 4 weeks on past judgements
Weeks or Nada??
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Maynard contact with Brayshaw.
Accidental in the moment but gee the AFL have made a rod for their backs on this one
Should be 4 weeks on past judgements
Weeks or Nada??
Yeh going to be interesting, pure accident, braced for contact but caused bad damage high.
I cant pick what they will give him
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Maynard contact with Brayshaw.
Accidental in the moment but gee the AFL have made a rod for their backs on this one
Should be 4 weeks on past judgements
Weeks or Nada??
Yeh going to be interesting, pure accident, braced for contact but caused bad damage high.
I cant pick what they will give him
Mansell shouldn't have been suspended nor should Maynard. The AFL have royally stuffed this issue. There are "in play" incidents & there are off the ball ones, they seem to be unable to differentiate between the two.
Michael Christian is absolutely incapable of doing the role of MRO consistently, he's all over the place. Useless.
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https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1700119968300384394
Another game and another poor ARC angle from a camera stuck with the resolution quality from the 70s/80s :facepalm. #blurry.
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Thank god Michael Wilson got a photo of the touch. Maybe they should just have him and his clone on the goal line instead.
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You can't brave for contact in a bumping fashion anymore. He needed to put his arms out as the strategy to protect himself. Will get weeks if they are consistent.
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Maynard getting off is BS considering what they did to Mansell, but now precedent is created.
In saying that it is finals and Cotchin got off which could have gone the other way.
Danger suffered nothing after raising an elbow to Vlas
Very confusing.
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It's so inconsistent it's just crazy.
Not a huge Lyon fan but Gary made a really good point that players should be held accountable when opponent has the ball with 3 options.
Bump, Tackle or Smother.
In all actions you have duty of care not to injure the head. Either with a head high bump, sling or dangerous tackle and this would be the rare reckless smother. Another reckless smother would be a well disguised bumping smother which has a head clash or shoulder to head. We've seen a head clash during a bump get suspended eg Fyfe.
So under that theory Maynard should be suspended but alas. Finals tax strikes again.
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Hawthorn premiership captain Luke Hodge has labelled some of the umpiring in last night’s preliminary final “pathetic”.
The umpiring decisions - of lack thereof - in the second half of the match irked Hodge.
“We’ve got umpires that overrule from 70 metres away three weeks ago, but then when it comes to a prelim when one point causes a win or a loss and a season to finish for a team and the umpires put the whistle away.
“A lot of those decisions were pathetic.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-collingwood-vs-gws-umpiring-free-kick-count-luke-hodge-comments-calls-them-pathetic/news-story/4bbe381f2a3c0a7f95ec278c66764b14
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And the AFL allow Daicos off when he smashes a blokes head into the ground and has a concussion test
It’s just cheating by the Collingwood cheat Christian , totally prejudiced
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And the AFL allow Daicos off when he smashes a blokes head into the ground and has a concussion test
It’s just cheating by the Collingwood cheat Christian , totally prejudiced
if that was a richmond boy you'd say play on, especially if another bloke had the players arm!
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And the AFL allow Daicos off when he smashes a blokes head into the ground and has a concussion test
It’s just cheating by the Collingwood cheat Christian , totally prejudiced
if that was a richmond boy you'd say play on, especially if another bloke had the players arm!
Sicily got 3 weeks fora tackle that wasn’t that bad. Christian is a cheating idiot
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Just over a minute to go and the umpire pays advantage when clearly the Lions didn't know the free had been paid. 100k people screaming can sort of drown out whistles
Thwtvwas a shocking call. May have cost Brisbane the game
And if umpire 14 is supposedly the one of the best 4 of the season then no wonder footy fans are confused and disgusted
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Just over a minute to go and the umpire pays advantage when clearly the Li9ns didn't know the free had been paid. 100k people screaming can sort of drown put whistles
Thwtvwas a shocking call. May have cost Brisbane the game
And if umpire 14 is supposedly the one of the best 4 of the season then no wonder footy fans are confused and disgusted
The AFL have wrecked the game and the current way it is umpired, it is a Lottery at best. Daicos dropping knees and rolling the shoulder get frees get most others don't. Corrupt is what it is under Gil and the rest of the boys club.
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First three years of the stand rule and the first time the minor premiers have won the flag in three consecutive years. :shh
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First three years of the stand rule and the first time the minor premiers have won the flag in three consecutive years. :shh
Pure coincidence methinks.
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23-8 last night
Nothing has changed
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23-8 last night
Nothing has changed
To make it worse breakdown per qtr
1st = 3
2nd = 4
3rd = 1
4th = 0
That's ridiculous
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23-8 last night
Nothing has changed
To make it worse breakdown per qtr
1st = 3
2nd = 4
3rd = 1
4th = 0
That's ridiculous
Don't expect it to change against the AFLs love child.
We'll again be royally reamed.
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Honestly the club has to act on these numbers and do it publicly so we know we're not taking this anymore
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That umpire who paid that against Broad should be sacked
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What's going to happen chuck? We will probably get down on all fours and accept whatever they say
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2 of the worst decisions you'll see this year.
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Hardly their fault we lost but they stepped in just in time to kill any slight chance we may have had of a miracle comeback... :shh
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Said it before and will say it again - if I had my way this bloke would be running the AFL....
https://twitter.com/Thomo_Grant
:bow :shh
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Didn’t know they were paying 70 m penalties for nothing
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(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/9303417b75b926ce343a7e02f27fe75c?width=768)
Only good thing about this is it happened to the Pies.
But seriously, what's the point of having the ARC if it doesn't check things like this. Even in soccer the VAR checks the lead up play to a goal.
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They take long enough as is, let’s not get them checking other plays as well.
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Just when you think they can't get any worse they manage to find a whole new level to sink to..... :banghead
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To me it is just so obvious we are getting shafted severely for the last 5 years, tbh, I am done with it, the media is biased against us as well. They always come up with crap like “ that was a luv my free kick” if we ever do get one.
I thought it was me and I was biased,
I wish some uni nerd would do a phd on it and hopefully prove me wrong/ or right.
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Nah it's just a coincidence that nearly every side is miraculously somehow 50% more disciplined & much closer to playing perfect football than usual whenever they play us..... :whistle :shh
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Nah it's just a coincidence that nearly every side is miraculously somehow 50% more disciplined & much closer to playing perfect football than usual whenever they play us..... :whistle :shh
Aaaah thanks for the insightful synopsis, I knew it must just be me.
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Even Tony Shaw can see it....
https://twitter.com/user/status/1771792209274142936
:shh
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Should this goal have been overturned? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f914.svg)
Watch replay here: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1771798531818332284
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SCORE REVIEW SCRUTINY
Richmond defender Jayden Short insisted he touched Jackson Mead’s goal to start the final term, which was the beginning of the end of the Tigers’ chances.
Back-to-back brilliant Liam Baker goals in the final minute of the third term - the second from beyond 50 metres after the siren - slashed Port Adelaide’s lead to seven points.
But Mead’s goal was the first of four in eight minutes that blew the Power’s advantage out to 31 points and ended Richmond’s winning hopes.
There was no score review on this occasion despite the umpires using an abundance of caution to double-check straightforward goals to Darcy Byrne-Jones and Zak Butters earlier in the contest.
The trend this season is to go that way, but Short’s pleas went unanswered. We can only assume it was ticked off silently in the ARC as the Sherrin returned to the centre.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-live-updates-western-bulldogs-v-gold-coast-suns-richmond-tigers-v-port-adelaide-power-20240324-p5fesm.html).
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Should this goal have been overturned? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f914.svg)
Watch replay here: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1771798531818332284
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SCORE REVIEW SCRUTINY
Richmond defender Jayden Short insisted he touched Jackson Mead’s goal to start the final term, which was the beginning of the end of the Tigers’ chances.
Back-to-back brilliant Liam Baker goals in the final minute of the third term - the second from beyond 50 metres after the siren - slashed Port Adelaide’s lead to seven points.
But Mead’s goal was the first of four in eight minutes that blew the Power’s advantage out to 31 points and ended Richmond’s winning hopes.
There was no score review on this occasion despite the umpires using an abundance of caution to double-check straightforward goals to Darcy Byrne-Jones and Zak Butters earlier in the contest.
The trend this season is to go that way, but Short’s pleas went unanswered. We can only assume it was ticked off silently in the ARC as the Sherrin returned to the centre.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-live-updates-western-bulldogs-v-gold-coast-suns-richmond-tigers-v-port-adelaide-power-20240324-p5fesm.html).
i cannot believe that. Those other 2 were as straightforward as you can get. even at the ground i was thinking why did they bother with that.
let me guess benny and co wont say a word. WTF is the prez doing?
This is stuffin nuts at the moment what is happening.
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Benny won't do anything to jeopardise his sweet Tassie gig.... :shh
The worst for me was when Filth Adelaide scored two goals in a row in the third after clear infringements on Campbell at our attacking end werent called....held off the ball then a blatant push in the back...the latter would've been a shot on goal from about 35 right in front.... :banghead
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Home Games - Free Kick Differential - 2017-2023:
(https://i.imgur.com/1yCqlSc.png)
Nothing to see here folks..... :whistle :shh
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Home Games - Free Kick Differential - 2017-2023:
(https://i.imgur.com/1yCqlSc.png)
Nothing to see here folks..... :whistle :shh
is that true DIO. I just cant believe that.
Bottom i expected, but when you think about it of course its bloody true.
business as usual this week for benny and the prez. Play on umps are doing a great job........
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Home Games - Free Kick Differential - 2017-2023:
(https://i.imgur.com/1yCqlSc.png)
Nothing to see here folks..... :whistle :shh
is that true DIO. I just cant believe that.
Bottom i expected, but when you think about it of course its bloody true.
business as usual this week for benny and the prez. Play on umps are doing a great job........
Look, it's the hardest game in the world to umpire...
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Ridiculous. It’s such a massive outlier over every other club. Those I’ll disciplined or game style excuses just don’t cut it.
Even though it won’t accomplish Jack, in fact it would probably work further against us, I would love anyone (president, ceo, coach, players) to just absolutely rip into the umpires just for the sweet satisfaction of it. I’ll even chip in $50 for the fine lol
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I think each one of on here should be emailing the prez and Benny.
Will it achieve anything? No.
Though Something is better than nothing. I will do it today.
If I didn't have the kids with me the other day I would have walked out due to them. They are really putting me off watching full games. Absolute cheats they are .
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i see that imbecile from the afl laura kane reached out out he hawks to apologise on behalf of her fools and the mistakes made over the weekend.
If it was the hawks that lodged a please explain kudos to them, but i suspect it was that idiot getting in first.
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https://www.afl.com.au/
" we dont have a set of rules for one player or club"
:lol :lol
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https://www.afl.com.au/
" we dont have a set of rules for one player or club"
:lol :lol
I beg to differ if you see the HTB calls Dusty gets pinged for.
Tall poppy syndrome.
All they have to do is grab him without prior or knock the ball out and it's HTB.
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Well they clearly do as presented by the ginnivan case
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I think each one of on here should be emailing the prez and Benny.
Will it achieve anything? No.
Though Something is better than nothing. I will do it today.
If I didn't have the kids with me the other day I would have walked out due to them. They are really putting me off watching full games. Absolute cheats they are .
So did you get a response?
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2022 Elimination Final revisited today in the Freo vs Carl game albeit it was the point post.
https://twitter.com/TroutWoodend/status/1776505877966795001
This time the ARC says "insufficient evidence" and nothing about triangulation. They just make it up as they go along ::).
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Don’t worry about that. 4 umpires missed the most obvious touches you will ever see and paid carlton a mark 20m out directly in front. Then to add insult to injury they awarded a free kick from the same spot directly afterward for umpire ‘abuse’.
AFL on a mission this season to get blues a flag it seems.
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Go back to one field umpire..... :shh
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Watching Geelong Dogs, the umpires love Geelong, bloody embarrassing, surely the AFL should step in, absolute disgrace
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I don’t know that last goal from the doggies involved one hell of a shove in the back.
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Tell me you missed the rest of the game without telling me you missed the rest of the game:
I don’t know that last goal from the doggies involved one hell of a shove in the back.
:shh
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Tell me you missed the rest of the game without telling me you missed the rest of the game:
I don’t know that last goal from the doggies involved one hell of a shove in the back.
:shh
lol good and accurate call
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I personally think the score review system hasn't added anything good to the game one iota.
Only has brought more frustration and added to the idiotic circus of controversy and the ridiculousness of being at the ground and waiting for someone in a box looking at several screens to just refer back to the umpires call (except for the Lynch goal).
150 years of goal umpire putting themselves in perfect position and backing in their own judgement and making a bloody decision to now this farcical pantomimic goal square circus we have now.
What a bloody waste of time!
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I personally think the score review system hasn't added anything good to the game one iota.
Only has brought more frustration and added to the idiotic circus of controversy and the ridiculousness of being at the ground and waiting for someone in a box looking at several screens to just refer back to the umpires call (except for the Lynch goal).
150 years of goal umpire putting themselves in perfect position and backing in their own judgement and making a bloody decision to now this farcical pantomimic goal square circus we have now.
What a bloody waste of time!
:cheers :clapping
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I personally think the score review system hasn't added anything good to the game one iota.
Only has brought more frustration and added to the idiotic circus of controversy and the ridiculousness of being at the ground and waiting for someone in a box looking at several screens to just refer back to the umpires call (except for the Lynch goal).
150 years of goal umpire putting themselves in perfect position and backing in their own judgement and making a bloody decision to now this farcical pantomimic goal square circus we have now.
What a bloody waste of time!
Agree
Look at last night
Goal ump last night called for a review.. he said "I think it is a goal, just check?"
Check what? There was no players around to touch it, no where near the post so why the review
The Stengle mark was a shocker by the ARC
A farcical system
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VAR ruining soccer even worse.
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-celebrate-as-dockers-dissent-seals-win-for-the-blues-20240406-p5fhvu.html
What a bunch of lazy corrupt pos. Where was the evidence beyond reasonable doubt against lynch?
I'm not sure who is worse the umpires or the afl. I think they are both as corrupt as each other.
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The goal umpires have clearly been instructed to review more often and even when it’s so obvious it’s a joke. How many reviews have we seen for ‘ check that it missed the post’ and it’s missed by 3 metres with the goal umpire right in place.
Another issue… if 4 field umpires don’t call touched off the boot, then they shouldn’t be able to intervene and review it as part of a ‘goal line’ decision. Otherwise, the ARC should be able to review and decide on every missed decision relating to the shot on goal.
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Every goal gets checked in the time the ball is being returned to the middle anyway. I don’t know why the umpires and goal umpires feel the need to stop the game while a check is being done for something that so clearly doesn’t need to be reviewed.
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THE 2024 AFL FREE KICK LADDER - ROUND 4 :thumbsdown
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKsn2gtbUAAOV9L?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/66Pgc13Z24QjC3r4dtyUZg/149714fd961632d129738dcde31a7702/Screen_Shot_2024-04-09_at_1.39.08_pm.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/04/09/the-2024-afl-free-kick-ladder-round-4/