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Giants’ Jacob Hopper picks Richmond as trade target
Sam McClure
The Age
September 8, 2022 — 3.12pm
Tigers sources have confirmed to The Age that Hopper, who is contracted at the Giants for one more season, has picked Richmond over Geelong.
Both the Tigers and the Cats had tabled lucrative, long-term deals for the 25-year-old, and industry sources believed as recently as this week that Hopper was leaning towards a career at the Cattery.
But sources close to the player say that the lure of playing regularly in front of huge crowds, as well as being able to link up again with fellow Giant Tim Taranto - who is set to sign for seven years at Richmond - was enough for him to select Punt Road as his next home.
Geelong have been contacted for comment.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/giants-jacob-hopper-picks-richmond-as-trade-target-20220908-p5bgi6.html
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Wow this is huge. If we can pull off these two trades we immediately become contenders IMO, and for a few years too. I think trading our picks is worth it, you can’t miss out on opportunities like this
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Hmm what are going to pay for him and Taranto.
If its picks it will probably be our first two this year and our first two next season.
Happy to go hard for Taranto but Hopper at age 26 while i acknowledge he is a good player and a type we need is he top shelf enough and is he just a tad too old when you consider how many will be retiring over the next few seasons.
The big differences between say when we bought in Prestia 24, Caddy 25 and Nankervis 22? is we were in a very good age space with our best players JR and Edwards were the eldest in 2016 at what 28yo. Dusty was 25, Cotchin 26, Rance 27 and Grimes about 25.
Did we even have a 29yo on the list when we recruited those three let alone a 30yo.
Now we have the majority of our best players mostly around 30 or older and we are most likely going to have to trade heavily out of the next two drafts to get just two players in, all be it very good players.
Don't get me wrong either way im happy to get two really good players, Just a worry that if we don't get a flag from it all then there will be a heavy price to pay basically doing a Geelong of the last 11 years.
Another question here has to be where will this leave us in regards to key forwards Jack will be 34 and Tom will be 30 with no one capable to fill a void in the role atm maybe not even one on the list Bauer? to develop.
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Jacob Hopper has today jetted off overseas. His preference is to ideally get to Richmond over Geelong if a trade can be struck, knowing GWS holds the cards as he’s contracted. It’s a seven-year offer at the Tigers.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1567768604107767809
Foxfooty.com.au also understands Geelong could’ve matched Richmond’s bid, but opted not to break its own cap rules.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-lloyd-meek-melbourne-west-coast-eagles-luke-jackson-fremantle-francis-evans-port-adelaide/news-story/9f846eb5f10ea2502ff8dff37c63ba43).
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Jacob Hopper has today jetted off overseas. His preference is to ideally get to Richmond over Geelong if a trade can be struck, knowing GWS holds the cards as he’s contracted. It’s a seven-year offer at the Tigers.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1567768604107767809
Foxfooty.com.au also understands Geelong could’ve matched Richmond’s bid, but opted not to break its own cap rules.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-lloyd-meek-melbourne-west-coast-eagles-luke-jackson-fremantle-francis-evans-port-adelaide/news-story/9f846eb5f10ea2502ff8dff37c63ba43).
Geesook never had the option to match as they were told they'd missed out. Sux on that Shocking and Salty Scotty u little biatches
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Hmm what are going to pay for him and Taranto.
If its picks it will probably be our first two this year and our first two next season.
Happy to go hard for Taranto but Hopper at age 26 while i acknowledge he is a good player and a type we need is he top shelf enough and is he just a tad too old when you consider how many will be retiring over the next few seasons.
The big differences between say when we bought in Prestia 24, Caddy 25 and Nankervis 22? is we were in a very good age space with our best players JR and Edwards were the eldest in 2016 at what 28yo. Dusty was 25, Cotchin 26, Rance 27 and Grimes about 25.
Did we even have a 29yo on the list when we recruited those three let alone a 30yo.
Now we have the majority of our best players mostly around 30 or older and we are most likely going to have to trade heavily out of the next two drafts to get just two players in, all be it very good players.
Don't get me wrong either way im happy to get two really good players, Just a worry that if we don't get a flag from it all then there will be a heavy price to pay basically doing a Geelong of the last 11 years.
Another question here has to be where will this leave us in regards to key forwards Jack will be 34 and Tom will be 30 with no one capable to fill a void in the role atm maybe not even one on the list Bauer? to develop.
26 his in his prime mate and a inside bull we desperately need we rely on Prestia to much. 2 quality players like that you don't pass up. Big difference cats target 29 year olds were getting 2 players still to hit there prime at 25 and 26.
Like us to keep pick 19 and 30 how do we do it through ?.Offer 12 and next years first rounder and Soldo and maybe Kingsley targets someone else a Hugo.or George.
I think Ryan and Bauer a earmarked for forward , but we do need to draft a key forward or go to state leagues or target free agency.
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Hmm what are going to pay for him and Taranto.
If its picks it will probably be our first two this year and our first two next season.
Happy to go hard for Taranto but Hopper at age 26 while i acknowledge he is a good player and a type we need is he top shelf enough and is he just a tad too old when you consider how many will be retiring over the next few seasons.
The big differences between say when we bought in Prestia 24, Caddy 25 and Nankervis 22? is we were in a very good age space with our best players JR and Edwards were the eldest in 2016 at what 28yo. Dusty was 25, Cotchin 26, Rance 27 and Grimes about 25.
Did we even have a 29yo on the list when we recruited those three let alone a 30yo.
Now we have the majority of our best players mostly around 30 or older and we are most likely going to have to trade heavily out of the next two drafts to get just two players in, all be it very good players.
Don't get me wrong either way im happy to get two really good players, Just a worry that if we don't get a flag from it all then there will be a heavy price to pay basically doing a Geelong of the last 11 years.
Another question here has to be where will this leave us in regards to key forwards Jack will be 34 and Tom will be 30 with no one capable to fill a void in the role atm maybe not even one on the list Bauer? to develop.
I'd expect us to go to the state leagues and find some Miocheck type to add to Bauer.
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Tom Browne reckons dusty was in the meeting pitch to Hopper. What a guy if true.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/tom-browne-says-dustin-martin-played-a-role-in-richmond-s-negotiations-with-jacob-hopper-205680
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Tom Browne reckons dusty was in the meeting pitch to Hopper. What a guy if true.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/tom-browne-says-dustin-martin-played-a-role-in-richmond-s-negotiations-with-jacob-hopper-205680
It is true :shh
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Oh but he leaving and going to Sydney, gospel , just ask the old nuff nuff
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Tom Browne reckons dusty was in the meeting pitch to Hopper. What a guy if true.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/tom-browne-says-dustin-martin-played-a-role-in-richmond-s-negotiations-with-jacob-hopper-205680
It is true :shh
What else you know spill the beans could there be another trade target to ?.
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Tom Browne reckons dusty was in the meeting pitch to Hopper. What a guy if true.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/tom-browne-says-dustin-martin-played-a-role-in-richmond-s-negotiations-with-jacob-hopper-205680
It is true :shh
What else you know spill the beans could there be another trade target to ?.
Nothing more to add on other targets. I must say further good news around Dusty might be announced soon, oh and I was told Stack would be staying. Cant add anything further to this though.
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Naming the trade deal - Jacob Hopper
Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
September 9, 2022
Destination: Richmond
Richmond's dealings with Tim Taranto are sure to play a factor in any pursuit of Hopper, with their 2022 selections of Picks 12, 19 and 30 all likely heading to Blacktown, potentially along with their future first-round pick should they follow our suggestions in landing both onballers.
JACOB HOPPER (Midfield - GWS)
2022 SEASON AVG
19.3 Disposals
3 Tackles
4.9 Clearances
The Cats won't have as much wiggle room in their draft hand should discussions with the Tigers fail to reach a conclusion, however a first and second-round selection should be enough for the 25-year-old to trade clubs and please the Giants.
It will be interesting to see if Hopper and Taranto are packaged together or if a third club is involved to aid negotiations. Two separate deals may show us how highly each club separately rates the pair of midfielders.
Trade package: Picks 12 + 30
https://www.zerohanger.com/naming-the-trade-deals-for-12-of-afls-biggest-movers-in-2022-126675/6/
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Cat Jeremy Cameron in his 7news interview wish his former GWS teammate Hopper well and added "he's going to the Tigers now".
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JACOB HOPPER
Pros
Almost an identical write-up to Taranto. The GWS star has also said he wants to play at the Tigers next year, which is a huge boon for Richmond’s midfield that already contains Shai Bolton, Dion Prestia, Martin, Cotchin, Jayden Short and Liam Baker, and could yet feature Taranto as well. Hopper missed four months of footy this year due to a knee injury, but finished the season well and his addition, along with Taranto’s, would certainly keep the Tigers in the finals frame.
Cons
Again, very similar to Taranto. It sounds as though the Tigers are prepared to make a big, long-term investment in the 25-year-old, which will put instant pressure on him to produce the goods. And his signature will also probably cost Richmond a first-round pick. These high-risk, high-reward moves certainly leave the Tigers vulnerable to a degree in the long run, but no guts, no glory, and Richmond aren’t going to die wondering in their pursuit of a fourth flag in seven years.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-pros-and-cons-of-stars-linked-to-moves-targets-state-of-play-latest-players-out-of-contract-rumours-whispers/news-story/d21baece52c9c788f1ca3282939be974
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With the Hopper deal separate, @GWSGIANTS list boss says there is a possibility players and picks will be involved in that particular deal. #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/JonoBaruch/status/1576718428550799361
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With the Hopper deal separate, @GWSGIANTS list boss says there is a possibility players and picks will be involved in that particular deal. #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/JonoBaruch/status/1576718428550799361
Please Castagna :pray :pray :pray
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We should have made a way for Bowes. That pick 7 straight to gws and we get to keep next years. Should never have signed Dow and George last year.
Whoever strikes that deal are very lucky indeed. He is still
owed what 1.6 so spread it out over 4. He pays less tax and club gets pick 7 and a player for peanuts.
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We should have made a way for Bowes. That pick 7 straight to gws and we get to keep next years. Should never have signed Dow and George last year.
Whoever strikes that deal are very lucky indeed. He is still
owed what 1.6 so spread it out over 4. He pays less tax and club gets pick 7 and a player for peanuts.
Why wouldn't GC spread it out over 4?
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It won’t be 1.6 over 4 for Bowes.
It’ll be 1.6 + additional incentive to do spread it out.
Makes no sense to Bowes to do 1.6 over 4. You’d just take it over the 2 remaining years and enter into a new contract at the end of it for additional $$$.
Suspect it’ll be something like 2.4 over for. Less per year but more money over the contract as an incentive.
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We should have made a way for Bowes. That pick 7 straight to gws and we get to keep next years. Should never have signed Dow and George last year.
Whoever strikes that deal are very lucky indeed. He is still
owed what 1.6 so spread it out over 4. He pays less tax and club gets pick 7 and a player for peanuts.
Gold Coast have said whoever gets Bowes will still have to cop up a decent pick in return for him plus pick 7. Even ignoring the salary cap, we can't do it given we'll be using our picks on Taranto and Hopper.
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We are going to cop a reaming for Hopper based on what we traded TT for.
30 plus first pick next year for sure plus a player
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Makes a lot of sense why he would spread it out, unless he is a quality player that is a certainty to earn more after 2.
1.6 over 2 is a lot of tax when compared with 1.6 over 4..
Good point Wayne i dont know. I do know it’s more likely that unlikely to be a great deal for the club that secures the deal.
If it’s the cats I suspect they will offload some dud like narkle to please the afl cheating brigade, and satisfy the salary dump “criteria”
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We are going to cop a reaming for Hopper based on what we traded TT for.
30 plus first pick next year for sure plus a player
As expected TBH but would expect a pick to come back the other ways as well
He is contracted, so is going to cost us
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Future first, 30 and Soldo for Jacob and a pick around 40 would do it.
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Future first, 30 and Soldo for Jacob and a pick around 40 would do it.
They seem very keen on Soldo
Kingsley must rate him highly :huh
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Future first, 30 and Soldo for Jacob and a pick around 40 would do it.
Way overs not future first.
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Future 1st (Pick 18), Pick 30 and Soldo is a steal for a contracted and young AA squad member.
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Giants' General Manager of Football Jason McCartney on SEN this arvo.
Listen: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1048074
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"Jacob has stated his intentions and Richmond understands where that sits."
"[Hopper trade] needs a bit more work done on that. Not obvious with what Richmond has sitting there at the moment that it can be done. Need that extra time to look at things that can be done there to improve what a deal can look like."
"[Hopper] being in contract is an advantage for us [GWS]."
"Richmond in our dealings with them around Tim and initial chats about Jacob have been really good to deal with in what they have got on offer."
"Unique scenario of having two quality players going to the one club. Putting forward what you've got is fantastic but ultimately is it enough in the end. So that's what we've got to continue to work for. That's why we split the [deals] and did them separately."
"Combination of draft picks and players [for Hopper]. No doubt about that."
"Conversations has been ongoing for a week or so. Now knowing what we've got in our hand now, we've got 9 days to continue those conversations and investigations."
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Future first, 30 and Soldo for Jacob and a pick around 40 would do it.
Way overs not future first.
Do you really expect to get Jacob hopper for a second round pick? Collingwood just gave that to the giants for Bobby hill lol.
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Future first, 30 and Soldo for Jacob and a pick around 40 would do it.
Way overs not future first.
I think you are dramatically over-rating the value of draft picks.
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Future 1st (Pick 18), Pick 30 and Soldo is a steal for a contracted and young AA squad member.
I tend to agree
Especially when your take into account he was top 10 pick (no. 7) when drafted and he is easily best 22 for either Club
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Future 1st (Pick 18), Pick 30 and Soldo is a steal for a contracted and young AA squad member.
Yep and if it's not Soldo then it might be our F2 as well at least.
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Geez i hate it when we stay out of the first round of drafts even more so for yrs on end.
But hey Hopper is a good player but with Taranto on board and yeah still a bit light on for big inside and clearance players i think we have more pressing needs.
Imo Tom Green in just his third year has gone past Hopper a similar sized player in just his third season if we ignore these types in the draft we will never find one and justvhave a look a lot of these big mids are being found after pick 20.
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Giants' General Manager of Football Jason McCartney on SEN this arvo.
Listen: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1048074
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"Jacob has stated his intentions and Richmond understands where that sits."
"[Hopper trade] needs a bit more work done on that. Not obvious with what Richmond has sitting there at the moment that it can be done. Need that extra time to look at things that can be done there to improve what a deal can look like."
"[Hopper] being in contract is an advantage for us [GWS]."
"Richmond in our dealings with them around Tim and initial chats about Jacob have been really good to deal with in what they have got on offer."
"Unique scenario of having two quality players going to the one club. Putting forward what you've got is fantastic but ultimately is it enough in the end. So that's what we've got to continue to work for. That's why we split the [deals] and did them separately."
"Combination of draft picks and players [for Hopper]. No doubt about that."
"Conversations has been ongoing for a week or so. Now knowing what we've got in our hand now, we've got 9 days to continue those conversations and investigations."
Interesting… Sounds like the Giants want a player not just picks for Hopper. Who are they interested in? Soldo has been publicized, but I would guess that they are inquiring about our young brigade too. Ralph? Banks? Sonz?
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Not Sonsie
Soldo, George plz
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Interesting… Sounds like the Giants want a player not just picks for Hopper. Who are they interested in? Soldo has been publicized, but I would guess that they are inquiring about our young brigade too. Ralph? Banks? Sonz?
I get that most players are tradable. Don't always agree on who but understand that most are.
And I'm sure GWS will ask about 2 of the 3 you've listed but I reckon there is absolutely no way Richmond would consider trading Sonsie.
Sonsie is the cornerstone of long term midfield IMHO
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McCartney on trade radio again, must love the sound of his own voice.
Think he said 31 & next years first not enough for Hopper. Looking at player.
At some stage we have to say sorry but we can't make this work.
Interesting to see how this plays out, at times I think our soft stance on trades in and out might cost us.
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No chance would Sonsie be a part of this
Although I maintain everyone is tradable, throwing an up and coming valuable asset like Sonsie in as steak knives to appease GWS makes zero sense
Agree with the Machine trade scenario
Two picks and Soldo out
One pick back
Take it or FO
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No chance would Sonsie be a part of this
Although I maintain everyone is tradable, throwing an up and coming valuable asset like Sonsie in as steak knives to appease GWS makes zero sense
Agree with the Machine trade scenario
Two picks and Soldo out
One pick back
Take it or FO
Agree why would GWS want midfielders? The whole reason for losing Taranto and Hopper is that they have too many midfielders
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McCartney on trade radio again, must love the sound of his own voice.
Think he said 31 & next years first not enough for Hopper. Looking at player.
At some stage we have to say sorry but we can't make this work.
Interesting to see how this plays out, at times I think our soft stance on trades in and out might cost us.
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https://twitter.com/traderadio
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🗣 MEGA TRADE
Adam Cooney has put together a deal that gets Jacob Hopper to Richmond!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeLtylKakAEDzl8?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577084520159150081
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MacArtney is turning into dudoro with his antics. We should tell him to FO. It’s as if they don’t benefit from a salary dump.
The names mentioned above is about the funniest things I’ve heard this year. That said il be happy to give them Ross and Brown if it means we stay in or close to the first.
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Happy to trade Ross. Can see him losing his spot anyways
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Future 1st rounder, pick 31 + Soldo and Collier-Dawkins seems to be a fair trade for Hopper, not sure what more GWS would want, he will be a restricted free agent if he stays one more year and GWS get nothing #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/diviak9/status/1577109703011598339
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Future 1st rounder, pick 31 + Soldo and Collier-Dawkins seems to be a fair trade for Hopper, not sure what more GWS would want, he will be a restricted free agent if he stays one more year and GWS get nothing #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/diviak9/status/1577109703011598339
Looks like alot at first but makes sense if we are going to delist RCD anyway. Might as well throw him in to get the deal done.
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I hope that Richmond walk away from this deal for a player who played little football this year and had two knee surgeries.
GWS is just being greedy.
Unless Richmond is prepared to walk away from this deal if it too costly we will get bent over and effectively deal ourselves out of two drafts.
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I hope that Richmond walk away from this deal for a player who played little football this year and had two knee surgeries.
GWS is just being greedy.
Unless Richmond is prepared to walk away from this deal if it too costly we will get bent over and effectively deal ourselves out of two drafts.
I'm all for it.
Will seem like a steal if he's tearing up the G next year with Taranto.
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He is not worth pick 31 and a future first and Soldo way overs stupid deal unless they give us pick 19 again.
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He is not worth pick 31 and a future first and Soldo way overs stupid deal unless they give us pick 19 again.
Out 31, future first, Soldo
In pick 43
That’s ok for me
Keep in mind the future first will be in the mid to late teens
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He is not worth pick 31 and a future first and Soldo way overs stupid deal unless they give us pick 19 again.
Out 31, future first, Soldo
In pick 43
That’s ok for me
Keep in mind the future first will be in the mid to late teens
Understand you , but me it's either 31 and Soldo and a second rounder that's it we are selling ourselves out of 2 drafts otherwise.
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GWS happy with Tigers' willingness to operate in good faith, but contracted Hopper remains far more difficult than Taranto to swap. GWS say Rich future 1st & pick 31 not enough. The 2nd rounder Tiges would've got for Graham would've been perfect, but players likely to be involved
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1577065244903411712
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GWS happy with Tigers' willingness to operate in good faith, but contracted Hopper remains far more difficult than Taranto to swap. GWS say Rich future 1st & pick 31 not enough. The 2nd rounder Tiges would've got for Graham would've been perfect, but players likely to be involved
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1577065244903411712
Wow what a lod of bs he aren't worth that.
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Could Ivan Soldo be a target for the Giants as part of the Jacob Hopper trade?
Jason McCartney weighs in.
Listen here: https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577125100792336384
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He is not worth pick 31 and a future first and Soldo way overs stupid deal unless they give us pick 19 again.
Out 31, future first, Soldo
In pick 43
That’s ok for me
Keep in mind the future first will be in the mid to late teens
Understand you , but me it's either 31 and Soldo and a second rounder that's it we are selling ourselves out of 2 drafts otherwise.
Out 31, future first and Soldo
In GWS future second ???
If we win the flag and they finish bottom 2, it’s almost the exact same pick
In some ways 19 is more valuable than pick 18
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🗣 MEGA TRADE
Adam Cooney has put together a deal that gets Jacob Hopper to Richmond!
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577084520159150081
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GWS ADMITS RICHMOND A “LITTLE BIT SHORT” SO FAR IN HOPPER OFFER
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
4 October 2022
GWS Giants GM of football Jason McCartney says there is still a bit to be worked out with Richmond in regards to Jacob Hopper.
The Tigers officially landed Tim Taranto from the Giants for picks 12 and 19 on Monday and now have their sights set on his midfield companion Hopper.
The difference in the deals is that Hopper, 25, is contracted for 2023 so the Tigers will have to come to the party in terms of a trade.
McCartney admits the two clubs have not yet come to an agreement given that Richmond so recently gave up two high picks for Taranto.
“Richmond have been really proactive and positive about what they’ve got and what they’ve put forward, so that’s a good starting point,” McCartney said on AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Exchange.
“We just feel there is a little bit of work to go and we’ve got a fair bit of time to see what we can be added to the current deal.”
That deal as it stands is this year’s pick 31 and a future first-round selection which McCartney says is a “little bit short”.
“That’s all they’ve got left obviously,” McCartney added.
“Everyone would understand that once that future first goes out, unless something else is coming in, the futures can’t be touched.
“So that’s what remains. That would feel to be a little bit short for a player of that quality and Richmond understand that.
“It’s really assessing, once again, a number of other deals that are going on and what potential opportunities can be involved there to strengthen that.
“We do need to give consideration to players as well.”
Richmond ruckman Ivan Soldo has been linked with the Giants, given their apparent shortage in that position, and McCartney admits he is a player of interest.
“It’s been talked about a little bit about Ivan,” he said.
“There’s something there, we’ll do some follow up there, there’s no doubt about that.
“We need to do some follow up on a number of options so just so we’re ready to go. If you’re going to facilitate a deal on a contracted payer, you don’t want to be scrambling in the last couple of days.”
Is McCartney confident a deal will be done? Or could Hopper still remain a Giant?
“He’s a wonderful player, there’s no doubt about that,” he said further.
“He does have a year to run. We’re mindful that he has requested that opportunity to go and play at the Richmond footy club.
“We’ll work through to facilitate what the best deal is for our football club if there’s a deal to be done.
“Richmond have been really good in their conversations around this.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/04/gws-admits-richmond-a-little-bit-short-so-far-in-hopper-offer/
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Tell GWS to FO and go after Tarryn Thomas instead
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Stick tuff tigers don't breake the bank.
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These media made-up trades are becoming even more ridiculous if that's possible.
This one is better for us but no way would Port give up Todd Marshall plus a heap of first and second round picks for Horne-Francis :stupid.
🚨 HUGE fake trade 🚨
- Todd Marshall returns back to NSW
- JHF moves back home to SA
- Tigs gets Hopper
- North get 3 first-round picks
Who says no?
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https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1577158380996567040
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McCartney is very lucky that Tigers are very collaborative club to deal with. What happened to Bobby Hill last year was a disgrace. If they have another failed trade on their hands they will have a generation of players signing no more than 2-2-3 years and be a basketcase of a club in trying to building a sustainable successful list.
I think there should be some good faith in that the Taranto deal for an uncontracted player was a very, very fair deal. 1st rounder next year, Pick 31 and Soldo is something they should be looking at.
This is why I would have preferred to have both deal at the same time. Trading for Taranto separately now gives GWS full leverage for Hopper as he is contracted.
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I wonder if we could package Pick 31 and our next selection Pick 50 and try and get up the draft order. Unlikely but if we could somehow get Pick 29. Maybe that looks a bit better for GWS.
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I wonder if we could package Pick 31 and our next selection Pick 50 and try and get up the draft order. Unlikely but if we could somehow get Pick 29. Maybe that looks a bit better for GWS.
We don't have pick 50. We gave that to #lolnorf last year as part of the CCJ deal
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McCartney said the Tigers' offer of a future first-round pick and pick 31 in the 2022 NAB AFL Draft would need beefing up.
"That's all they've got left obviously," McCartney said.
"Everyone would understand that once that future first goes out, unless something else is coming in, the futures can't be touched so that's what remains.
"Most would know that feels a little short for a player of that quality. Richmond understand that.
"It's really assessing, once again, a number of other deals that are going on and what potential opportunities are being involved there, to strengthen that. We do need to give consideration to (incoming) players as well."
McCartney confirmed GWS is interested in Tigers ruckman Soldo who could be a potential deal clincher to send Hopper south.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854381/giants-look-at-big-tiger-in-potential-deal-for-wantaway-mid
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Still don’t really get why they want soldo but if they do would they consider giving us Matt Flynn in return? Surely they don’t need 4 rucks on their list. Flynn is far from a world beater but he’s a 25 year old mature body with experience at AFL level who can give us cover if Nank goes down and Ryan is struggling to cope as no.1 ruck. He’d be on minimal $$$$ too you’d think.
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Hooper a salary dump dees getting Grundy for pick 27 screw them.
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Hooper a salary dump dees getting Grundy for pick 27 screw them.
Honestly F hopper then. Pies said they'd pay 300k of Grundy wage.
We should take him, foot the bill for the other 600-700k instead of getting hopper. Have a sensational ruck who can Jag a goal instead.
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McCartney said the Tigers' offer of a future first-round pick and pick 31 in the 2022 NAB AFL Draft would need beefing up.
"That's all they've got left obviously," McCartney said.
"Everyone would understand that once that future first goes out, unless something else is coming in, the futures can't be touched so that's what remains.
"Most would know that feels a little short for a player of that quality. Richmond understand that.
"It's really assessing, once again, a number of other deals that are going on and what potential opportunities are being involved there, to strengthen that. We do need to give consideration to (incoming) players as well."
McCartney confirmed GWS is interested in Tigers ruckman Soldo who could be a potential deal clincher to send Hopper south.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854381/giants-look-at-big-tiger-in-potential-deal-for-wantaway-mid
Does this sound like we may be involved with other deals for more picks too?
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Hooper a salary dump dees getting Grundy for pick 27 screw them.
Honestly F hopper then. Pies said they'd pay 300k of Grundy wage.
We should take him, foot the bill for the other 600-700k instead of getting hopper. Have a sensational ruck who can Jag a goal instead.
I like your thinking 🧐
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McCartney said the Tigers' offer of a future first-round pick and pick 31 in the 2022 NAB AFL Draft would need beefing up.
"That's all they've got left obviously," McCartney said.
"Everyone would understand that once that future first goes out, unless something else is coming in, the futures can't be touched so that's what remains.
"Most would know that feels a little short for a player of that quality. Richmond understand that.
"It's really assessing, once again, a number of other deals that are going on and what potential opportunities are being involved there, to strengthen that. We do need to give consideration to (incoming) players as well."
McCartney confirmed GWS is interested in Tigers ruckman Soldo who could be a potential deal clincher to send Hopper south.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854381/giants-look-at-big-tiger-in-potential-deal-for-wantaway-mid
Does this sound like we may be involved with other deals for more picks too?
it does, problem is we don't have much left to give.
If we are giving F1, 31 & Soldo surely we are getting something back, 3rd or F3 or something. otherwise we have given up 4 picks & a player for just 2 players in return. That's overs if we don't get something back.
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Optimistic take: is it possible we gave GWS picks 12&19 for TT first day of trade period in good faith to allow them the maximum amount of time to negotiate with other clubs and improve their draft hand? They’ve got so many picks now which they can’t possibly use all of them just from a list numbers perspective so they’d be trying to package them up to try and get another top 10 pick. This all being done with a handshake wink wink agreement that our F1 and pick 30 will be more or less enough to get hopper at the end of this week / start of next.
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Just pull out of the deal if they want more.
Dees getting Grundy for pick 27 FFS.
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Yes he’s being traded away so cheaply because he’ll be 29 at the start of next season, coming off a serious knee injury and is owed 1 million a year for another 5 years. Not to mention ruck is the most overrated position in the AFL. Why Melbourne are going for him when they already have Gawn and neither are good forwards will never make sense to me. Just a ludicrous amount of cap space to be tying up into the ruck position even with Collingwood chipping in on Grundys salary.
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"If a Hopper deal isn't reached, could they look to keep him and sacrifice salary cap space elsewhere? I understand the Giants would be open to conversations on Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes. The Giants want more off the Tigers for Hopper.
- @CalTwomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577470386396332032
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"If a Hopper deal isn't reached, could they look to keep him and sacrifice salary cap space elsewhere? I understand the Giants would be open to conversations on Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes. The Giants want more off the Tigers for Hopper.
- @CalTwomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577470386396332032
So, the Giants are going to hold onto a player that's want out while forcing players out that want to stay? Yeah, that's a way to build a strong loyal club culture - NOT! ::)
This is nothing but a bluff. GWS need to make a salary cap dump and Hopper is the one left who is willing to leave. The "goodwill" seems to be only one way from us but we're not a charity. Richmond just needs to hang on until the final trade day, make a final offer and tell them accept it or blow your salary cap.
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Separate question but related to the Hopper discussion as GWS have said they are considering him ...
What would Soldo be worth alone in a trade on the open market?
A third rounder like Nank was?
A second rounder like CCJ was? [Thanks Norf] ;D
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Lol why would we give up 12 & 19 on the very first day if we didn’t have some sort of understanding with gws that what we had left would be enough to satisfy them? Otherwise we would have kept them and tried to manoeuvre with other clubs to improve/add to those picks to give us more assets to trade.
Media just filling in time until the trade happens.
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"If a Hopper deal isn't reached, could they look to keep him and sacrifice salary cap space elsewhere? I understand the Giants would be open to conversations on Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes. The Giants want more off the Tigers for Hopper.
- @CalTwomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577470386396332032
Here's the Twomey discussion.
Asked if St Kilda or Hawthorn with salary cap space jump in to poach someone else off GWS.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577491011802202115
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"Lachie Whitfield is not going anywhere, so there won't be any movement there."
"In an ideal world, I think GWS would like to move Nick Haynes on as part of their reset."
(https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/27a1.png) Sam Edmund on Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577494335406604288
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Apparently, Damian Barrett on Trade Radio this arvo said he's hearing the deal will be our Future 1st plus Soldo.
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Apparently, Damian Barrett on Trade Radio this arvo said he's hearing the deal will be our Future 1st plus Soldo.
That would be a significant win
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That’s fair , hopper has proved he will be an A grader yet
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2 years we will be out of the first round through unless we have something planned not great.
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Apparently, Damian Barrett on Trade Radio this arvo said he's hearing the deal will be our Future 1st plus Soldo.
really, any links ?
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2 years we will be out of the first round through unless we have something planned not great.
Taranto and Hopper are SIGNIFICANT ins
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Guys, we could have drafted another RCD or Cellis with these picks!!...
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Guys, we could have drafted another RCD or Cellis with these picks!!...
Yep
Plenty of other misses as well
Worked out ok getting Prestia
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Apparently, Damian Barrett on Trade Radio this arvo said he's hearing the deal will be our Future 1st plus Soldo.
really, any links ?
n.b. I did say "apparently" as it was second hand info.
It's going to be a future first + Soldo - seems painfully obvious now.
Barrett just said on Trade Radio that's he's hearing the deal will be exactly that.
I wouldn't call him a reliable source though.
Source: Bigfooty (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-6.1333996/post-76964017)
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If that is true it's a bargain. Our future first will likely be around 16-20 and I no longer rate Soldo since his injury. Watching him live against Collingwood last season was particularly painful.
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2 years we will be out of the first round through unless we have something planned not great.
I think we might be planning on winning another premiership ;D
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Am i correct in assuming we only have pick 30 left in the ND?
Scares the bejeezus out of me when we totally ignore drafts. And if a Future 1st and pick 30 plus a ruckman is what they want then we not only knock depth around but indeed virtually ignore the ND.
Look at our last four ND.
2018 pick 20 then pick 43, Atm pick 20 looks a bust. its hardly an early pick anyway.
2019 pick 21 then pick 43 atm pick 21 looks doubtful.Again 21 is hardly a real early pick.
2020 Pick 40 then pick 51.
2021 pick 9, 17, Both these picks already look like great picks for us yet here we are already trading out similar picks.
2022 ???? atm just pick 30 and we most likely going to trade it leaving virtually no picks and taking us out of the early part of 2023 as well.
Yep im concerned you ignore the ND at your long term peril.
In saying all that if Hopper does get to us well hes a good player and id be happy to have him but is it the right way to go.
In all honesty what is Hopper worth. Yes a type we need and he would give us that badly needed depth in big inside players that we have lacked but we have Taranto. Are his numbers worth what we are going to have to give up. He is a good player but to have no nd picks this year and not have at the very least a first rounder next year is playing with fire
As one who has been screaming for bigger good mids um one who is torn by this. In so many ways id rather we ignore this trade and use ordinary blokes like Soldo to get back into the draft where we can Target say a young KPF!!! and a big bodied type like hopper.
Next year a midfield of Taranto, Prestia, Bolton, Sonsie, with the two old boys in Cotchin and Dusty is nothing to be sneezed at.
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Guys, we could have drafted another RCD or Cellis with these picks!!...
Flip side is we could have traded away 9 and 28 and missed out on Gibcus and Sonsie. Always two sides to that debate.
Its funny many supporters laud our drafting but when the club goes after a player its yep the draft is never any good.
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Am i correct in assuming we only have pick 30 left in the ND?
Scares the bejeezus out of me when we totally ignore drafts. And if a Future 1st and pick 30 plus a ruckman is what they want then we not only knock depth around but indeed virtually ignore the ND.
Look at our last four ND.
2018 pick 20 then pick 43, Atm pick 20 looks a bust. its hardly an early pick anyway.
2019 pick 21 then pick 43 atm pick 21 looks doubtful.Again 21 is hardly a real early pick.
2020 Pick 40 then pick 51.
2021 pick 9, 17, Both these picks already look like great picks for us yet here we are already trading out similar picks.
2022 ???? atm just pick 30 and we most likely going to trade it leaving virtually no picks and taking us out of the early part of 2023 as well.
Yep im concerned you ignore the ND at your long term peril.
In saying all that if Hopper does get to us well hes a good player and id be happy to have him but is it the right way to go.
In all honesty what is Hopper worth. Yes a type we need and he would give us that badly needed depth in big inside players that we have lacked but we have Taranto. Are his numbers worth what we are going to have to give up. He is a good player but to have no nd picks this year and not have at the very least a first rounder next year is playing with fire
As one who has been screaming for bigger good mids um one who is torn by this. In so many ways id rather we ignore this trade and use ordinary blokes like Soldo to get back into the draft where we can Target say a young KPF!!! and a big bodied type like hopper.
Next year a midfield of Taranto, Prestia, Bolton, Sonsie, with the two old boys in Cotchin and Dusty is nothing to be sneezed at.
Current rumour is Future 1st + Soldo, which leaves us with a second rounder this year and next. Not great, but not disastrous, and we get Taranto and Hopper.
It really depends on the deal. We also don't know who might get traded out for picks to be packaged up to move back up the draft order.
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So gws second next year and ours? I would take that and run.
Soldo and a first round in an average draft is a steal for us.
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Am i correct in assuming we only have pick 30 left in the ND?
Scares the bejeezus out of me when we totally ignore drafts. And if a Future 1st and pick 30 plus a ruckman is what they want then we not only knock depth around but indeed virtually ignore the ND.
Look at our last four ND.
2018 pick 20 then pick 43, Atm pick 20 looks a bust. its hardly an early pick anyway.
2019 pick 21 then pick 43 atm pick 21 looks doubtful.Again 21 is hardly a real early pick.
2020 Pick 40 then pick 51.
2021 pick 9, 17, Both these picks already look like great picks for us yet here we are already trading out similar picks.
2022 ???? atm just pick 30 and we most likely going to trade it leaving virtually no picks and taking us out of the early part of 2023 as well.
Yep im concerned you ignore the ND at your long term peril.
In saying all that if Hopper does get to us well hes a good player and id be happy to have him but is it the right way to go.
In all honesty what is Hopper worth. Yes a type we need and he would give us that badly needed depth in big inside players that we have lacked but we have Taranto. Are his numbers worth what we are going to have to give up. He is a good player but to have no nd picks this year and not have at the very least a first rounder next year is playing with fire
As one who has been screaming for bigger good mids um one who is torn by this. In so many ways id rather we ignore this trade and use ordinary blokes like Soldo to get back into the draft where we can Target say a young KPF!!! and a big bodied type like hopper.
Next year a midfield of Taranto, Prestia, Bolton, Sonsie, with the two old boys in Cotchin and Dusty is nothing to be sneezed at.
Being Mr literal again but I'm thinking we had 5 picks in the first 30 last year. That's hardly ignoring the draft. Ok we won't be going deep into the draft this year but if we get 2 A graders that have many years of running our in Yellow and Black who cares. Go to the draft (last year) or not go to the draft (this year) we get it wrong according to you. Give it up please.
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Am i correct in assuming we only have pick 30 left in the ND?
Scares the bejeezus out of me when we totally ignore drafts. And if a Future 1st and pick 30 plus a ruckman is what they want then we not only knock depth around but indeed virtually ignore the ND.
Look at our last four ND.
2018 pick 20 then pick 43, Atm pick 20 looks a bust. its hardly an early pick anyway.
2019 pick 21 then pick 43 atm pick 21 looks doubtful.Again 21 is hardly a real early pick.
2020 Pick 40 then pick 51.
2021 pick 9, 17, Both these picks already look like great picks for us yet here we are already trading out similar picks.
2022 ???? atm just pick 30 and we most likely going to trade it leaving virtually no picks and taking us out of the early part of 2023 as well.
Yep im concerned you ignore the ND at your long term peril.
In saying all that if Hopper does get to us well hes a good player and id be happy to have him but is it the right way to go.
In all honesty what is Hopper worth. Yes a type we need and he would give us that badly needed depth in big inside players that we have lacked but we have Taranto. Are his numbers worth what we are going to have to give up. He is a good player but to have no nd picks this year and not have at the very least a first rounder next year is playing with fire
As one who has been screaming for bigger good mids um one who is torn by this. In so many ways id rather we ignore this trade and use ordinary blokes like Soldo to get back into the draft where we can Target say a young KPF!!! and a big bodied type like hopper.
Next year a midfield of Taranto, Prestia, Bolton, Sonsie, with the two old boys in Cotchin and Dusty is nothing to be sneezed at.
Being Mr literal again but I'm thinking we had 5 picks in the first 30 last year. That's hardly ignoring the draft. Ok we won't be going deep into the draft this year but if we get 2 A graders that have many years of running our in Yellow and Black who cares. Go to the draft (last year) or not go to the draft (this year) we get it wrong according to you. Give it up please.
You can ignore whats being said as usual and put a pretty spin on things but the truth is we have not had great access to the early part of the nd for what will be 5 of 6 seasons if we trade our future first away this year.
Further to that how the hell do people think we are going to get access to a key fwd next year with no early picks to trade with. In that debate all i hear is don't worry we will just trade for one. Seems to me most of the eggs are going into one basket with not a very big eye on the long term or other areas of the list with serious deficiencies.
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Wasn’t this year meant to be the year when there were a lot of class key forwards . I see about 3 in the mock drafts so I hope they have a a special one hidden away
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Also Am i correct in assuming we only have pick 30 left in the ND?
Scares the bejeezus out of me when we totally ignore drafts. And if a Future 1st and pick 30 plus a ruckman is what they want then we not only knock depth around but indeed virtually ignore the ND.
Look at our last four ND.
2018 pick 20 then pick 43, Atm pick 20 looks a bust. its hardly an early pick anyway.
2019 pick 21 then pick 43 atm pick 21 looks doubtful.Again 21 is hardly a real early pick.
2020 Pick 40 then pick 51.
2021 pick 9, 17, Both these picks already look like great picks for us yet here we are already trading out similar picks.
2022 ???? atm just pick 30 and we most likely going to trade it leaving virtually no picks and taking us out of the early part of 2023 as well.
Yep im concerned you ignore the ND at your long term peril.
In saying all that if Hopper does get to us well hes a good player and id be happy to have him but is it the right way to go.
In all honesty what is Hopper worth. Yes a type we need and he would give us that badly needed depth in big inside players that we have lacked but we have Taranto. Are his numbers worth what we are going to have to give up. He is a good player but to have no nd picks this year and not have at the very least a first rounder next year is playing with fire
As one who has been screaming for bigger good mids um one who is torn by this. In so many ways id rather we ignore this trade and use ordinary blokes like Soldo to get back into the draft where we can Target say a young KPF!!! and a big bodied type like hopper.
Next year a midfield of Taranto, Prestia, Bolton, Sonsie, with the two old boys in Cotchin and Dusty is nothing to be sneezed at.
Being Mr literal again but I'm thinking we had 5 picks in the first 30 last year. That's hardly ignoring the draft. Ok we won't be going deep into the draft this year but if we get 2 A graders that have many years of running our in Yellow and Black who cares. Go to the draft (last year) or not go to the draft (this year) we get it wrong according to you. Give it up please.
You can ignore whats being said as usual and put a pretty spin on things but the truth is we have not had great access to the early part of the nd for what will be 5 of 6 seasons if we trade our future first away this year.
If you think wining 3 flags in 5 years you are going to get access to top draft picks you are what you accuse us of, delusional.[/quote]
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Further to that how the hell do people think we are going to get access to a key fwd next year with no early picks to trade with. In that debate all i hear is don't worry we will just trade for one. Seems to me most of the eggs are going into one basket with not a very big eye on the long term.
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Yes getting Key forward in the next few years should be high on our list but it's not urgent now so trading for a couple of top Mids should be enough to keep us challenging for the next couple of years and keep your posts down to 2017 to 2019 levels.(after we win levels)
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Trade for the now the right thing to do.
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I'm already regretting those premierships. Think of the draft picks we lost access to in those years. Who knows what pick 6 could have turned into if we didn't use it on Prestia. I sit here today full of regret. What might have been. :'(
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I’d throw everything into King as our forward. Jack goes next year that’s 350 and use it and George’s on King. Back end it
Let’s be honest we are going to have to find a forward very soon so let’s aim for King.
Draft picks don’t mean much when you select blokes like Dow and CCJ who will likely depart.
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I'm already regretting those premierships. Think of the draft picks we lost access to in those years. Who knows what pick 6 could have turned into if we didn't use it on Prestia. I sit here today full of regret. What might have been. :'(
:cheers :lol :lol :lol
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I’d throw everything into King as our forward. Jack goes next year that’s 350 and use it and George’s on King. Back end it
Let’s be honest we are going to have to find a forward very soon so let’s aim for King.
Draft picks don’t mean much when you select blokes like Dow and CCJ who will likely depart.
Doubt we’ll have the picks to be able to trade for king, we’ll be giving up next years first for hopper. Maybe in a few years when he becomes a free agent.
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We'd have to get a key fwd via FA i'd imagine. achieve that & these moves we are making are pure genius.
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So gws second next year and ours? I would take that and run.
Soldo and a first round in an average draft is a steal for us.
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Agreed I don't value Soldo highly after this year unfortunately.
Was thinking it'll be 31 + F1 + Soldo. Which I'd agree to also.
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hearing Hopper deal all but agreed. Soldo involved?
That's what I heard this arvo.
Was just text it so good that you’ve heard this too mate
https://twitter.com/wonderbonzi/status/1577578687675129856
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8:45AM - GIANTS FOOTY DIRECTOR COMMENTS ON NEW TRADE REPORTS
Giants football director Jimmy Bartel has left the door ajar for other stars to be traded if the club can’t strike a deal with Richmond for Jacob Hopper.
GWS is one of the busiest clubs this trade period, with Tim Taranto (to Richmond) and Bobby Hill (Collingwood) already departing the club, and Tanner Bruhn (Geelong) and Hopper set to follow amid salary cap pressure.
However talks between the Giants and Tigers for Hopper have stalled as GWS looks to be adequately compensated for the contracted star midfielder.
Reports then linked Nick Haynes and Lachie Whitfield, who are both on lucrative long-term deals, to moves as alternative options to clear cap space, and stated Toby Greene was “frustrated” with the Giants, but wasn’t seeking a trade.
Speaking on 3AW’s Sportsday, Bartel suggested the club was putting together contingency plans if Hopper stays.
“I understand people making those conclusions,” Bartel told 3AW’s Sportsday.
“The Hopper situation, if he goes in free agency (next year) the compensation pick will be pretty good as well and he’s still a very good player for the Giants if he’s playing there.
“There’s moving parts to this of course. Whether what Richmond is offering will satisfy (Giants list boss) Jason McCartney and (new coach) Adam Kingsley will want to have a say now that he’s rolling the sleeves up as senior coach.
“It’s the hypothetical game we do – if the Hopper deal doesn’t come off, what else could be done?”
Asked if it was possible that Greene could be dealt, Bartel bluntly responded: “No.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-trade-period-day-4-thursday-live-updates-chat-done-deals-free-agents-latest/news-story/a62c01819537f3aea0233db15e4b6b25
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John Doe learn plenty at dinner! [with prominent player agent… ]
1. Carlton trying to get another pick in 15-30 range this draft
2. Soldo agree term w GWS if needed in hopper deal
3. Vic club now also chasing Sava
4. Dees want very high draft pick for LJ… love Cadman in draft
https://twitter.com/ontheinner/status/1577625741743001602
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Sam Edmund on SEN just said Hopper to Richmond will get done and claimed a Future 1st, Pick 31 and Soldo for Hopper is "fair".
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Sam Edmund on SEN just said Hopper to Richmond will get done and claimed a Future 1st, Pick 31 and Soldo for Hopper is "fair".
Sam Edmund is a stuffwit
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Sam Edmund said GWS and Soldo had a meeting yesterday (Jon Ralph the other day said Soldo had a medical with GWS). Edmund repeated he's heard the trade will be a Future 1st, Pick 31 and Soldo.
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You need to give up something good to get something good, people.
Hopper is a gun, and exactly the type of clearance beast we need.
Also he and TT are 25 and 24 respectively. Plenty of good footy left in them.
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You need to give up something good to get something good, people.
Hopper is a gun, and exactly the type of clearance beast we need.
Also he and TT are 25 and 24 respectively. Plenty of good footy left in them.
Spot on Willy!!
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RICHMOND’S HOPPER DEAL TO INVOLVE GWS MOVE FOR SOLDO
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
6 October 2022
SEN’s Sam Edmund is reporting that GWS midfielder Jacob Hopper will be traded to Richmond this trade period.
It was understood that Richmond’s initial offer for Hopper came up a “little bit short” but a revised package has included Ivan Soldo.
Additionally, GWS football director Jimmy Bartel said 2019 premiership ruckman Soldo would “not necessarily” be involved in any deal.
But Edmund reported on SEN Mornings that the Hopper deal is expected to get done with Soldo heading to the Giants along with pick 31 and a future first-round selection.
“Jacob Hopper to Richmond will get done, it just happens,” Edmund said.
“He has a year to run on a contract.
“The Tigers will give up their future first-round selection, pick 31 this year and it looks like Ivan Soldo. I think that’s the package at the moment.
“Soldo wasn’t playing at Richmond late in the season, but he can play at GWS regularly. They met yesterday, the Soldo camp.”
Edmund outlined what the combined deals of Hopper and his former Giants teammate Tim Taranto, who joined the Tigers on Monday, look like.
“Then you look at it combined,” Edmund added.
“I know they separated the two deals, Taranto and Hopper, but if you were to package them together in the fullness of time it would be for 12, 19, 31, a future first and Soldo.
“I think that’s fair.
“The Tigers have won fans over with how they’ve gone about it.”
Edmund also cooled talk surrounding Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes now that Hopper is expected to depart.
“A lot of smoke around Lachie Whitfield. My personal belief and understanding from speaking to people around it is it won’t be happening,” he said further.
“Nick Haynes won’t be happening. He’s happy in Sydney as well.
“I think Hopper gets done which perhaps means Lachie Whitfield, there’s no need for him to be traded anyway.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/06/richmonds-hopper-deal-to-involve-gws-move-for-soldo/
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A few later picks coming back would be nice, GWS won't be using them anyway
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Would leave us short on ruck stocks IMO.
Would rather trade our F2 and get 58 + 60 back. Tell AFL we picked 5 kids last year and will have two late punts this year so should be allowed to trade out of both rounds next year.
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Offloading soldo is a true bonus in all this. IMO he is just as much of a list clogger as Castagna. Gain two quality players for draft picks and we also get a bit more salary room getting rid of soldo. Sounds good to me !
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Apparently GWS wants Ralphsmith.
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Apparently GWS wants Ralphsmith.
🤣🤣🤣
Not happening
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I'd be taking off next year's 1st if they want Hugo.
Hopper for Hugo and Soldo I'll take.
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I'd be taking off next year's 1st if they want Hugo.
Hopper for Hugo and Soldo I'll take.
We knocked them back
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1577884811628515328
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Really I reckon Ralph is tradeable
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You kidding me Hugo and Soldo and a first dreaming.
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You kidding me Hugo and Soldo and a first dreaming.
Oh I thought they meant Ralph not Soldo.
Both is a bit much
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Very happy that the club rejected any Hugo involvement!!
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Really I reckon Ralph is tradeable
Agree
Future 1st round pick, Soldo and Hugo. We keep pick 31
I'd do that deal, reckon Hopper is worth it.
Also with these 2 coming in Hugo falls down the pecking order
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Delay on hopper trade is just due to the pick coming back our way.
https://twitter.com/Tiger7192926603/status/1577856613586980864
I expect the Tigers will get Hopper and pick 44 in return for 31, Future 1st and Soldo
https://twitter.com/LeTigre_12/status/1577826614687125504
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7NEWS can reveal Richmond assistant turned GWS senior coach Adam Kingsley floated a surprise name in talks over Giants midfielder Jacob Hopper’s desired move to Punt Road.
The trade is not yet locked in and, according to Tom Browne, hinges on Ivan Soldo accepting a move to GWS.
The Tigers are believed to be offering a future first-round pick and a second-round pick in the deal.
“If Soldo’s part of that (trade), it’ll be pretty straight forward,” Browne said.
But GWS initially raised a different name in negotiations with Richmond: Hugo Ralphsmith.
“Adam Kingsley is a big fan of this man,” Mitch Cleary reported.
“I understand he did ask as part of the Hopper deal if they could get their hands on Hugo Ralphsmith.
“It was knocked back pretty quickly. That won’t be happening but Adam Kingsley was keen to get that ball rolling.”
Ralphsmith played 13 games this season but did not appear after round 19, finding himself out of the side for the run to the finals.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-live-west-coast-reveal-stance-on-massive-three-way-megadeal-c-8460303?utm_campaign=liveblog&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=clipboard&tid=1665030541369#3502
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The Late Trade team discuss Jacob Hopper's move to Richmond with Damian Barrett revealing that Lachie Whitfield and Nick Haynes are potential candidates to leave.
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1049177
Both Barrett and SOS saying it will get done. Hopper's management wouldn't have put his name forward or allowed Richmond to deal with Hopper if they weren't confident a deal could be done.
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"The Geelong footy club...they were engaged heavily in conversations around him and were quite disappointed when he chose Richmond over them."
- Damian Barrett on Jacob Hopper
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577890561327235074
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Ivan Soldo looks primed to join GWS. The overall deal for Taranto and Hopper will be 12, 19, 31, Soldo and a future first. Richmond will receive some picks back.
https://twitter.com/InformationAfl/status/1577934161889099776
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Tigers ruckman Ivan Soldo is back in Melbourne following a meeting with the Giants that could seal Jacob Hopper's move to Punt Road.
@bradeningram #9News
Watch here: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1577930419265310724
"It's believed the Giants have possibly requested maybe some other players in that trade. That may eventually be one that goes through later in the week, but they are in a position to take Soldo if that indeed falls that way."
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The feral tiger supporters out there won't see it this way but we now pay a huge price for blatantly ignoring the bigger sized mids and players in general year after year. We are still doing it with Key forwards. The Tom Lynches of the world arent always for free in fact its a rarity.
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Really I reckon Ralph is tradeable
Agree
Future 1st round pick, Soldo and Hugo. We keep pick 31
I'd do that deal, reckon Hopper is worth it.
Also with these 2 coming in Hugo falls down the pecking order
Agree you would do it in a heart beat.
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The feral tiger supporters out there won't see it this way but we now pay a huge price for blatantly ignoring the bigger sized mids and players in general year after year. We are still doing it with Key forwards. The Tom Lynches of the world arent always for free in fact its a rarity.
Without doubt there’s a need for kpf but atleast we have also addressed the need for midfielders.
Who knows what could play out in next years trade period but I’m sure kpf will be the priority
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GWS now with picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 19, 44, 61, 63.
Are they going to use more than six picks if they get our pick 31?
If we got in return their later picks 44, 61 & 63 (362 + 135 + 112 = 609 pts) which they won't be using (?), then I wonder if we could do a pick swap with Brisbane for their pick 36 (502 pts). The Lions just need more points. This would give them an extra 107 pts for nothing.
Richmond: Future 1st, Pick 31, Soldo ---> Hopper, Pick 36.
GWS: Hopper, picks 44, pick 61, pick 63 ----> Future 1st, Pick 31, Soldo.
Brisbane: Pick 36 ------> Pick 44, Pick 61, Pick 63.
ps. GWS then use either pick 31 (probably too much) or a future pick to get Bedford.
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
IF ...
you're thinking it will be difficult to secure Jacob Hopper after coughing up picks 12 and 19 for Tim Taranto ...
THEN ...
yes, it will be difficult. But it will get done by trade period deadline on Wednesday night. Good clubs get the big deals done.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854531/if-horne-francis-wants-out-of-north-quick-smart-then
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An extra 100ish points hardly worth it.
No doubt the giants won’t be using all of those picks - they don’t have the list spots available to even do so. Think I read somewhere that there’s an afl rule that clubs can’t stockpile draft picks that they can’t even use.
I suspect the giants will package up those picks in the teens to try and get another top10 pick or there’s even talk they want another top5 pick to get Cadman. Would a north, west coast, bombers, suns (from Adelaide) consider giving up their top5 for 3 or even 4 of the giants picks in the teens?
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An extra 100ish points hardly worth it.
No doubt the giants won’t be using all of those picks - they don’t have the list spots available to even do so. Think I read somewhere that there’s an afl rule that clubs can’t stockpile draft picks that they can’t even use.
Brisbane has a lot to do though. They need a stack of points for both Father-Sons Ashcroft & Fletcher, picks to trade in Dunkley, and they'll also need a late pick for Gunston. It's likely they will need to go into points deficit, so any extra points would be worthwhile IMO.
I suspect the giants will package up those picks in the teens to try and get another top10 pick or there’s even talk they want another top5 pick to get Cadman. Would a north, west coast, bombers, suns (from Adelaide) consider giving up their top5 for 3 or even 4 of the giants picks in the teens?
Cadman is a generational key forward and will be the first live pick (ignoring Ashcroft). GWS aren't going to get him. If Norf stupidly trade away pick 1 or pass on Cadman then they might as well be kicked out of the comp. It would be the most incompetent recruiting decision ever made.
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"Soldo doing a medical at the Giants while in Canberra shows that the Giants are keen to have him apart of the deal."
- @RileyBev on Ivan Soldo being courted by GWS
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1578191225550536705
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"Soldo doing a medical at the Giants while in Canberra shows that the Giants are keen to have him apart of the deal."
- @RileyBev on Ivan Soldo being courted by GWS
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1578191225550536705
Here's the audio [From 10:10 min mark:[/i]
https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/jason-horne-francis-and-how-the-deal-gets-done-will/id820692706?i=1000581866554
Beveridge also said Soldo moving could be done as part of the Hopper deal or separately aiding Richmond in getting more picks to get the Hopper deal done. Giants want more than a Future 1st and pick 31.
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An extra 100ish points hardly worth it.
No doubt the giants won’t be using all of those picks - they don’t have the list spots available to even do so. Think I read somewhere that there’s an afl rule that clubs can’t stockpile draft picks that they can’t even use.
Brisbane has a lot to do though. They need a stack of points for both Father-Sons Ashcroft & Fletcher, picks to trade in Dunkley, and they'll also need a late pick for Gunston. It's likely they will need to go into points deficit, so any extra points would be worthwhile IMO.
I suspect the giants will package up those picks in the teens to try and get another top10 pick or there’s even talk they want another top5 pick to get Cadman. Would a north, west coast, bombers, suns (from Adelaide) consider giving up their top5 for 3 or even 4 of the giants picks in the teens?
Cadman is a generational key forward and will be the first live pick (ignoring Ashcroft). GWS aren't going to get him. If Norf stupidly trade away pick 1 or pass on Cadman then they might as well be kicked out of the comp. It would be the most incompetent recruiting decision ever made.
I think twomey has cadman going pick 4 or 5 although he could have just been listing his top 5 in no particular order.
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Looks like the Hopper trade is heading into the last week
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Sam Edmund's latest on the Hopper to Richmond deal and how it's playing out.
https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1578234882459070465
Not sure how this is the "latest" when Edmund is just repeating what's been discussed over the past 48 hours :huh3.
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An extra 100ish points hardly worth it.
No doubt the giants won’t be using all of those picks - they don’t have the list spots available to even do so. Think I read somewhere that there’s an afl rule that clubs can’t stockpile draft picks that they can’t even use.
Brisbane has a lot to do though. They need a stack of points for both Father-Sons Ashcroft & Fletcher, picks to trade in Dunkley, and they'll also need a late pick for Gunston. It's likely they will need to go into points deficit, so any extra points would be worthwhile IMO.
I suspect the giants will package up those picks in the teens to try and get another top10 pick or there’s even talk they want another top5 pick to get Cadman. Would a north, west coast, bombers, suns (from Adelaide) consider giving up their top5 for 3 or even 4 of the giants picks in the teens?
Cadman is a generational key forward and will be the first live pick (ignoring Ashcroft). GWS aren't going to get him. If Norf stupidly trade away pick 1 or pass on Cadman then they might as well be kicked out of the comp. It would be the most incompetent recruiting decision ever made.
I think twomey has cadman going pick 4 or 5 although he could have just been listing his top 5 in no particular order.
You're right that Twomey does have Cadman at 5 but if what Twomey has was the actual draft then GWS wouldn't be bothering trying to trade up to pick 1. IMO, by draft night, Cadman will be #1 or #2 (if the bid for Ashcroft is first). Generational KPFs are harder to find than mids (albeit quality ones), plus Norf need a gun KPF with Larkey currently their only tall forward target.
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Blair Hartley sighted today by Mitch Cleary on 7news.
"The Tigers to spend the weekend juggling talks over Giant Jacob Hopper."
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/Trade/BlairHartleyTradePeriod2022.png)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1578291695342743553
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Blair Hartley sighted today by Mitch Cleary on 7news.
"The Tigers to spend the weekend juggling talks over Giant Jacob Hopper."
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/Trade/BlairHartleyTradePeriod2022.png)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1578291695342743553
Stunning
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Blair Hartley sighted today by Mitch Cleary on 7news.
"The Tigers to spend the weekend juggling talks over Giant Jacob Hopper."
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/Trade/BlairHartleyTradePeriod2022.png)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1578291695342743553
Stunning
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1665145261472-png.1529840/)
Source: Bigfooty (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-6.1333996/post-77010201).
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/Trade/TradeTalk08102022p1.png)
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/Trade/TradeTalk08102022p2.png)
https://twitter.com/Tiger7192926603/status/1578372882303852544
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Soldo, 31, next year's first for hopper 44, 61 and 63. It's done. Just waiting on paperwork lodgement
https://twitter.com/TigerTuff9/status/1578269692644720641
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Soldo, 31, next year's first for hopper 44, 61 and 63. It's done. Just waiting on paperwork lodgement
https://twitter.com/TigerTuff9/status/1578269692644720641
Good deal imo.
Just need to grab a depth ruck
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Soldo, 31, next year's first for hopper 44, 61 and 63. It's done. Just waiting on paperwork lodgement
https://twitter.com/TigerTuff9/status/1578269692644720641
Good deal imo.
Just need to grab a depth ruck
Yeah that's a steal. Assuming you don't really rate Soldo (I don't) then we're getting rid of a list clogger, pick 31, a pick around 20 next year, and we're even getting some picks back the other way. Not bad for a gun.
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I don’t think we’d use those 2 picks in the 60s though. Even if we package them together to trade to another club, their points value combined is only worth pick 52 and a club isn’t going to do that unless they get more points then they’re trading out. So just seem like pointless picks which will end up being passed on at draft night.
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A premiership Ruckman and a player who played half the season coming off a knee reco "a list clogger" disgraceful comment there Broadsword.
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A premiership Ruckman and a player who played half the season coming off a knee reco "a list clogger" disgraceful comment there Broadsword.
It's not disgraceful. He's both.
He is a premiership ruckman, he is coming off a knee reco, AND he is clogging the list. Not an either/or scenario.
Calm the hysteria.
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A premiership Ruckman and a player who played half the season coming off a knee reco "a list clogger" disgraceful comment there Broadsword.
It's not disgraceful. He's both.
He is a premiership ruckman, he is coming off a knee reco, AND he is clogging the list. Not an either/or scenario.
Calm the hysteria.
:lol :rollin
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I think he is a good tap ruckman the competes well in the centre, but needs to improve the other stuff around the ground .
I would have kept him on the list but you have to give up something to get something
If Nank goes down the conversation will be interesting
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The constant criticism of him has been. Very poor around the ground and has little contribution outside of the ruck contest.
What im asking over the whole journey so far has things like taking a mark, getting a LITTLE BIT OF BALL, actually taking contested marks and consistently influencing the ruck contests improved and finally is he providing that cover like Nankervis does when the ball hits the ground which is a big no.. Not to mention the uncoordination and horrible skill set.
We all comment on what we see. There is only the stats left to go by and they back up very much to the hilt what plenty of people see, that Big Ivan has not improved very much at all in the areas he really needs to improve in.
Mid April he will be 27 he is starting to get along a bit its a seriuos question have we seen his best at 27 he should very much be in his prime and at his best.
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I feel like ‘good tap ruckman’ gets thrown around too much for rucks who manage to get their hands to the ball first in the contest ignoring where the ball ends up. This especially happens for the tall, lumbering types who win the ruck contest for the most part just based on their height advantage. It is being used to describe soldo and 5+ years ago the same was being said about Hampson. Happy to be proven otherwise based on either of their stats but I don’t think just by watching the games that either of their hit outs to advantage ratios show that they are actually ‘good tap ruckman’. As in how often do we actually see soldo tap the ball down our mids throat like a nicnat, gawn, Ryder does? I get that it’s also partly down to our mids as well but I actually see him hitting it directly to our opponent quite often too, frustratingly even when he is uncontested or up against non-rucks.
Now you could argue nank is guilty of the above (hello elimination final) but he offers so much around the ground, winning clearances, contested possession, taking intercept marks which soldo just does not.
So the biggest issue I see with losing soldo is our overall ruck depth within our list if nank were to go down with a long term injury. However I’m sure the club can pick up a mature age ruck from the state leagues who is good to go should that happen and the club don’t think Ryan is ready to fill the void.
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Tom Browne on 7news tonight:
* Hopper will be a Tiger by the close of the trade period.
* Soldo weighing up if he wants to go to GWS as part of it. Otherwise, Hopper will land at Punt Rd using picks.
Go to 1:12 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1579021616448561153
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GWS and Richmond have not advanced in a deal for Jacob Hopper’s move to Punt Road but a move is still highly likely to occur.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/weid-out-a-solution-dees-dons-trade-could-set-off-dominoes-20221009-p5bodj.html
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JACOB HOPPER TO RICHMOND
Richmond and Greater Western Sydney got the Tim Taranto deal out of the way first as it was an easier one to negotiate given Taranto wasn’t contracted – it’s a different story for Hopper. Having given up pick No. 12 and 19 for Taranto, the Tigers have less to play with for Hopper, which is why a player has been discussed as a part of the deal. Ivan Soldo has completed a medical with the Giants, while the Tigers have all-but ruled out trading Hugo Ralphsmith. At the centre of the deal will be pick No. 31 and a future first-rounder, but it may not be enough, hence the addition of a player.
Verdict: Giants receive Pick 31, future first-round pick and Ivan Soldo – Tigers receive Hopper.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-state-of-play-how-biggest-deals-get-done-deadline-latest-josh-dunkley-jason-hornefrancis-luke-jackson-brodie-grundy-rory-lobb/news-story/917b8916d607da92a19de3a0e323fce8
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If we get something back we have done well.
Pies gave up pick 7, following years first for treloar and 65 back.
Bombers gave up pick 9, following years first for a second rounder and Shiel.
Cats would have given more for Cameron than both of those from memory.
On the surface I feel we have fared better than all of those examples.
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Sam Edmund this morning still claiming it will be a F1, 31 & Soldo.
“It’ll be Richmond’s future first, pick 31 and Ivan Soldo (for Hopper), that’s the deal that’s been discussed for some time.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/09/move-for-saint-ruled-out-as-edmund-delivers-mega-trade-update-on-key-targets/
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"It is looking more and more likely it gets done, and more and more likely it involves Ivan Soldo."
- @CalTwomey on the Hopper deal
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579279635841691648
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"It is looking more and more likely it gets done, and more and more likely it involves Ivan Soldo."
- @CalTwomey on the Hopper deal
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579279635841691648
Audio here:
Go to 16:13 min mark: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1049985
'It's all ready and prepped. It's over to Soldo to make the call and make the move. When you are under contract you have the final say.'
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TIGERS RELENT IN DEAL FOR HOPPER
Richmond will begrudgingly release Ivan Soldo to Greater Western Sydney to seal the Jacob Hopper deal, as the Tigers plan for a potential five-man bench that could pave the way for clubs to play two full-time ruckmen.
Soldo is getting his head around leaving for GWS in a deal that Richmond hopes could see them hand over Soldo, pick 19 and a future first-rounder, but secure one of the Giants late 2022 picks.
The Tigers are hopeful of taking a selection to this year’s draft – potentially to even use on a young tall in the Jack Riewoldt succession plan – so hope the Giants might be willing to return a late pick to them.
But the intriguing element of the trade is what might happen to the controversial sub rule next year.
News Corp revealed mid-season that the lobbying from the AFL Doctors Association had brought about assurances from the AFL they would remove the current sub rule, which requires a doctor to rule a player must be likely to miss the next week through injury.
Richmond’s understanding is that there is a significant possibility the clubs might just be given a fifth player on the bench to use freely rather than a medical substitute, which has required an injury to bring the fifth player on.
A five-man bench would give clubs latitude to play a second genuine ruckman, rather than one with another tall who can also pinch-hit in the ruck.
Richmond would have been perfectly poised with Toby Nankervis and Soldo as an elite ruck duo but the Tigers realise releasing contracted Soldo is the only way to secure Hopper.
They have high hopes for Ben Miller and Samson Ryan and could also play Noah Balta as a second ruck.
But the club would love to keep Soldo, who rebuffed Western Bulldogs interest to sign a new three-year deal last year.
The Canberra-raised ruckman had a medical with GWS last week.
New Giants coach Adam Kingsley is a big fan of Hugo Ralphsmith but the Giants have plenty of running backs so have not asked for the 20-year-old – and Richmond will not release him.
Clubs would ideally have advance warning on what the 2023 sub rule or expanded bench would look like ahead of the trade period.
But given the tight turnaround from the 2022 season to the trade period, they have to make guesstimates on what the game will look like next year.
Richmond has only pick 31 after handing over selections 12 and 19 for Tim Taranto, but could ask for the last of GWS’ picks in the Hopper trade to secure a live draft selection.
GWS has picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 19, 44, 61, 63, and even the last of those selections would come in to about 50 given it’s not expected clubs will use their late picks.
Richmond secured five selections in the 2021 national draft – Josh Gibcus, Tom Brown, Tyler Sonsie, Sam Banks and Judson Clarke – and have high hopes for all of them.
It means they have been able to go all-in on two established midfielders on seven-year deals to round out their midfield core.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-all-the-big-deals-as-they-happen/news-story/fe70d07d2dcde91b876ca9cc6ab29385
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GWS have given up their pick 44 for Bedford. So can't get that pick coming back our way.
GWS now have picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 19, 61, 63.
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Since they got Bedford for 44, surely let us keep 31 and just take F1 and soldo :rollin
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From the beginning it should be Soldo and 31 or Soldo and first round either way now that 44 is not coming our way.
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2 picks & a player is overs. Didn't mind when getting a pick back but not now.
Soldo & 2023 first or just the 2 picks.
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The deal sounds fair to me.
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GWS are exploiting our "goodwill" ::).
If we're going to be completely out of this year's draft then I hope we're now asking for GWS's future 2nd tied to Collingwood.
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I guess pick 19 is out of the question? :whistle
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Not happening today by the sounds of it.
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Reports that GWS are giving up their 2023 second rounder plus 12 & 15 to get pick one from North in the MEGA trade.
So if they don't have that one or 44 anymore it makes it interesting.
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Or maybe just 12 and future second
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Yeah think they’re busy finalising their trade to get this years 1st then they’ll know (and we will) exactly what picks they have to finalise the hopper deal.
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Twomey saying GWS will receive third round picks as part of that mega trade.
Current 3rd round picks
40. West Coast
43. Port Adelaide
53. Port Adelaide
57. Port Adelaide
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=32182.0
Pick 40 or 43 then onto us?
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Twomey saying GWS will receive third round picks as part of that mega trade.
Current 3rd round picks
40. West Coast
43. Port Adelaide
53. Port Adelaide
57. Port Adelaide
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=32182.0
Pick 40 or 43 then onto us?
Both I will be asking for.
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40 + 43 is worth pick 23. Can’t see us getting both but if we do we could trade to the lions for something around our original 31. Lions have 34, 35, 36 & 38. Prob wouldn’t be worth upgrading and losing a second pick just to move up 6 places.
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This tweet says the Eagles are giving up pick 40. Presumably, that heads to GWS.
https://twitter.com/MariaEdgewater/status/1579350013888851968
So F1, 31, Soldo ---> Hopper, 40?
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GWS only getting late 3rd round picks 53 & 57.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579354046988943361
So GWS now have picks 1, 15, 18, 19, 53, 57, 61, 63. Also no more future second rounders.
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Nope that’s going to the kangas.
Giants giving up 3, 12 & F2 (tied to pies) and getting 1, 53 & 57.
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Nope that’s going to the kangas.
Giants giving up 3, 12 & F2 (tied to pies) and getting 1, 53 & 57.
GWS not showing us any "goodwill" :thumbsdown.
Picks in the 50s are steak knife speculation picks :-\. At best find another Graham out of the U18s or target a more mature late developer from one of state leagues (eg: another Broad).
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It’ll get done this year.
We want a third round pick back.
Probably one of the picks they got in the “meGa SuPEr” trade. Not pick 1 obviously lol.
Either way it gets done. Don’t panic people.
Unsure why people think after us offering the contract and Hopper agreeing to it, we would back out now ;D.
I get that some aren’t happy about losing Soldo, and I’m not thrilled either.
As I’ve said from the start.
Have to give something GOOD to get something GREAT.
https://twitter.com/RFC_Centre
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We have grabbed 2 of their starting 22 So i could understand they would be peeed at us. If we gave them overs for one of the two it might go to some goodwill for future years.
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I'll drive Ivan to the airport.
The currency swap on this would be enormous. Rookie who had picked up a footy not that long before being rookies. To be packaged in a deal for a top 10 player in his prime off the back off a All Aus squad top 40 selection is enormous.
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We have grabbed 2 of their starting 22 So i could understand they would be peeed at us. If we gave them overs for one of the two it might go to some goodwill for future years.
Goodwill is overrated. Folks move around clubs so often or leave the industry that the goodwill is rarely if ever reciprocated.
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Have you noticed there is no information being reported on Hopper now as the AFL will want this one after it's embargo period of 3pm tomorrow.
No reporter is tweeting and there are no articles out there and hasn't been for days.
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Have you noticed there is no information being reported on Hopper now as the AFL will want this one after it's embargo period of 3pm tomorrow.
No reporter is tweeting and there are no articles out there and hasn't been for days.
What are you saying?
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Have you noticed there is no information being reported on Hopper now as the AFL will want this one after it's embargo period of 3pm tomorrow.
No reporter is tweeting and there are no articles out there and hasn't been for days.
What are you saying?
AFL trying to keep it interesting at the last minute
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Have you noticed there is no information being reported on Hopper now as the AFL will want this one after it's embargo period of 3pm tomorrow.
No reporter is tweeting and there are no articles out there and hasn't been for days.
What are you saying?
That it wont get done until tomorrow. Thats my feeling, hope I'm wrong.
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Pick 48 enough of a pick back?
Haw: O'Meara, 48 -> 19
GWS: Hopper, 19 -> O'Meara, Soldo, F1, 31.
Rich: Soldo, F1, 31 -> Hopper, 48.
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That’ll do me MT
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Pick 48 enough of a pick back?
Haw: O'Meara, 48 -> 19
GWS: Hopper, 19 -> O'Meara, Soldo, F1, 31.
Rich: Soldo, F1, 31 -> Hopper, 48.
I will take it too.
Not sure if we have picks in the 60s?, 70s?, 80s? we can use?
Wouldn't mind if we bundled the picks up for something in the 30-40s.
Might not seem a big difference.
Must draft key forward.
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Should have combined the deals for him and Taranto.
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Jacob Hopper (GWS to Richmond)
We say: Tim Taranto moved on the first day of the trade period, but a move for Hopper – who’s in contract – has been far more difficult to resolve. The Herald Sun reports the deal for the Giants midfielder could involve Richmond parting with pick 31, a future first round pick, a later pick this year and Soldo.
However, negotiations have significantly quietened in recent days.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/11/every-trade-speculated-to-go-down-before-wednesdays-afl-trade-deadline/
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@TomBrowne7 says Richmond feel they can get Jacob Hopper without having to give up Ivan Soldo 👀
Catch the full episode on the LiSTNR app or here: https://omny.fm/shows/the-rub/tom-brownes-news-fallout-from-the-super-mega-trade
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https://twitter.com/triplemfooty/status/1579683477342912512
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Well that explains the delay
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Jacob Hopper to Richmond done.
Giants receive Tigers' future first-round pick and pick 31.
Richmond get back late picks.
Ivan Soldo not involved
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1579698028843520002
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Hearing reports that it’s done.
Giants receive Tigers' future first-round pick and pick 31.
Richmond get back late picks.
Ivan Soldo not involved
Great deal for us if true.
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Jacob Hopper to Richmond done.
Giants receive Tigers' future first-round pick and pick 31.
Richmond get back late picks.
Ivan Soldo not involved
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1579698028843520002
Looks like GWS blinked.
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Yup twomey on it too. Happy with that. Let’s see what these late round picks are.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579699017109635074
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Jon Ralph too.
So Tigers get Taranto and Hopper for 12, 19, 31 and a future first-rounder. Get back a late pick from GWS (they have 61 and 63) and keep Soldo. Adam Kingsley not seen to be a huge fan of rucks for the sake of it. Tigers were very keen to keep Soldo
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1579700183700738048
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We win
Awesome job Tiges
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We get picks 53 & 63 back.
Giants trade Jacob Hopper and picks 53 and 63 to Richmond for the Tigers' future first-rounder and pick 31
https://twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1579701067277012995
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As much as they wanted to say they were seperate deals, I was always of the opinion that we gave them 12 and 19 for Taranto on day 1 in good faith to allow them to manoeuvre their other trades to move up the draft. And they did end up using our pick 12 to secure the no.1 pick.
F1 and 31 for hopper might seem light but when you combine all 4 picks for both players I think that is a fair deal for both clubs. Some might say it’s a little over some might say it’s a little under but I don’t think anyone will argue one team has had a big win/loss over the other.
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Agree TK. It's evened out across both deals.
Rich: 12, 19, F1, 31 -> Taranto, Hopper, 53, 63.
Pick 53 should end up somewhere in the 40s once Brisbane uses all their picks as points for their Father/Sons Ashcroft and Fletcher.
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A financial element is likely to be a part of the Hopper deal with Richmond, with the player still having a year to run on his contract before he was due to hit free agency.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854572/hop-to-it-tigers-giants-agree-on-deal-for-young-midfielder
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Excellent outcome for Richmond well done...
Welcome to Tigerland Jacob.
Now hopefully we can find a sneaky Liam Baker type with those late picks. And I think it has to be goodbye Aarts and Martyn surely. Give Dawkins 1 more year to prove his worth.
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Agree TK. It's evened out across both deals.
Rich: 12, 19, F1, 31 -> Taranto, Hopper, 53, 63.
Pick 53 should end up somewhere in the 40s once Brisbane uses all their picks as points for their Father/Sons Ashcroft and Fletcher.
Essendon will need to bid for Davey x 2 so their picks will disappear also
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When you include last year's CCJ trade that got us pick 19 it looks even better.
In: Taranto, Hopper, Tarrant, 40, 53, 63.
Out: 12, F1, 31, 42, 47, 70, Coleman-Jones.
ps. Pick 40 last year was converted into pick 29 (Banks). I could be cheeky and say Sonsie instead who was the pick before as having three picks in a row allowed us last year to take the 'risk' with Sonsie. Include Sonsie in the above and it's a knockout deal :thumbsup.
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Agree TK. It's evened out across both deals.
Rich: 12, 19, F1, 31 -> Taranto, Hopper, 53, 63.
Pick 53 should end up somewhere in the 40s once Brisbane uses all their picks as points for their Father/Sons Ashcroft and Fletcher.
Essendon will need to bid for Davey x 2 so their picks will disappear also
True. Pick 53 will move up quite a bit.
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Welcome to Tigerland, Jacob Hopper (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f91d.png)
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1579706017944055808
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Hopper lands at Richmond
By Richmond Media
11 October 2022
Richmond has secured GWS midfielder Jacob Hopper as part of a trade with the GIANTS today.
In exchange for Hopper and picks No. 53 and No. 63 overall, Richmond has parted ways with its future first-round selection and selection No. 31 at this year’s draft.
Hopper has agreed to a seven-year deal at the Swinburne Centre, tying him to Richmond until the end of 2029.
The 25-year-old from Leeton in Southern NSW was selected by GWS with pick No. 7 overall at the 2015 AFL National Draft.
Hopper has played 114 matches at AFL level, with 2021 his most dominant year- averaging 26 disposals, 3.8 tackles, and 4.3 inside 50s per game.
Hopper polled 15 Brownlow votes in that campaign, including in both games against Richmond. He was also named in the All Australian squad of 40.
A natural leader, Hopper will inject grunt, genuine ball-winning ability, and tackling pressure into the Tigers’ midfield brigade.
Richmond General Manager- Football Talent Blair Hartley said Hopper’s acquisition would bolster Richmond long-term.
“Jacob has a skill set that we know can help us across the coming years, so it is very exciting to secure this trade with the GIANTS,” he added.
“At only 25, we believe Jacob’s best is yet to come, and we look forward to him continuing to build off the outstanding seasons of AFL football he has already put together.
“We thank GWS for their cooperation in facilitating Jacob’s request to return to Victoria, where he completed his studies, and are pleased to have been able to find a suitable trade that benefits both parties.”
Hopper's acquisition complements the inclusion of Tim Taranto on the opening day of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1236175/
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Just need the photo of Tim and Jacob standing on punt road oval in their Richmond polos :lol
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I think the RFC article has an error :-\
It says Hopper is 25
Kane Cornes said he is 27.
Kane is always right isn't he?
:rollin
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I think the RFC article has an error :-\
It says Hopper is 25
Kane Cornes said he is 27.
Kane is always right isn't he?
:rollin
Haha
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Just need the photo of Tim and Jacob standing on punt road oval in their Richmond polos :lol
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https://twitter.com/allozie/status/1579705233709895683
;D
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https://twitter.com/redhead27/status/1579702297164410882
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Welcome Jacob
Our recruiters will earn their money getting a good player with picks that late,as we need a key forward the most it makes it even tougher.
They may try to trade up a bit as some clubs want points and not picks.
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Jacob's first message to the Tiger Army:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1579723369565810689
"Let's go!" :thumbsup
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There's a few Tigers in the comparison players for Jacob Hopper. Even if he continues to be at the lower end of the range for ratings points, his clearance and contest work has value ...
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Create your own comparisons: https://footyviz.shinyapps.io/PlayerSimilarity/
https://twitter.com/alittlefitness/status/1579705465847840770
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So much for goodwill as you blokes said we weren’t getting from GWS.
The deal was a very good one for us. Al in all a very good double trade.
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When you include last year's CCJ trade that got us pick 19 it looks even better.
In: Taranto, Hopper, Tarrant, 40, 53, 63.
Out: 12, F1, 31, 42, 47, 70, Coleman-Jones.
ps. Pick 40 last year was converted into pick 29 (Banks). I could be cheeky and say Sonsie instead who was the pick before as having three picks in a row allowed us last year to take the 'risk' with Sonsie. Include Sonsie in the above and it's a knockout deal :thumbsup.
Damn man when you put it like that we've made out like stuffing bandits lmao.
Fanks Norf
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Welcome Jacob
Our recruiters will earn their money getting a good player with picks that late,as we need a key forward the most it makes it even tougher.
They may try to trade up a bit as some clubs want points and not picks.
That would be great but how can we do it?
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A few clubs need points for father / sons and if we offer a combination of picks that add up to more than their current higher pick they may be tempted.
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Would be good if we could get chump change for Castagna or RCD and aim for Brisbane's 38
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Brereton reckons Hopper will win our B&F.
Dermie added Hopper has more tricks (eg: sidestep in traffic) than Taranto and is a better kick to advantage.
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Hops in the Yellow & Black
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1580010982989930496
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HOPPER JOINS TIGERS IN GIANT TRADE
Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
12 October 2022
Damien Hardwick will aggressively chase Tom Hafey’s record of four premierships as Richmond coach after a dream trade period that saw the Tigers secure Jacob Hopper without the loss of ruckman Ivan Soldo.
The Tigers on Tuesday clinched the Hopper trade deal by handing over pick 31 and a future first-rounder for the GWS midfielder, pick 53 and 63.
As the Herald Sun revealed on Monday, the Tigers were desperate to retain Canberra-raised Soldo because they believe the AFL will introduce a five-person bench next year that will allow them to play two rucks.
Instead of having to hand over the king’s ransom for Soldo the Tigers in effect handed over a future first-rounder they will hope is in the mid-teens and only gave up 345 draft points (equal to selection 45) in this year’s draft.
GWS was aware they secured a deal that favoured them when they received picks 12 and 19 for Tim Taranto so were happy to agree to the Hopper deal, with both parties satisfied the cumulative parts of the deal were a win-win.
The Tigers want to take some selections in November’s draft and 53 and 63 will be much higher in the draft order by the time rivals pass up some of their selections in a draft with about 50 live picks.
Three-time premiership coach Hardwick had said earlier this year he would depart Richmond when their premiership window had been slammed shut but instead it has been ripped back open.
The Tigers have secured two inside mids in Tim Taranto and Hopper to rejuvenate their midfield and believe they have elite kids only recently drafted and emerging players like Noah Balta, Shai Bolton and Liam Baker who will keep them in contention.
New GWS coach Adam Kingsley, who finished up at Richmond, is known to believe rucks must be able to contribute strongly around the ground if they are hold their spot in the side.
So in the end Richmond’s determination to keep Soldo and the Giants’ other trade priorities helped keep Soldo at Punt Road, 12 months after he knocked back a hefty Western Bulldogs offer.
Richmond list boss Blair Hartley said the seven-year deal offered to Hopper was reflective of the club’s long-term hopes for the former GWS academy player.
“Jacob has a skill set that we know can help us across the coming years, so it is very exciting to secure this trade with the Giants,” he added.
“At only 25, we believe Jacob’s best is yet to come, and we look forward to him continuing to build off the outstanding seasons of AFL football he has already put together.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-the-big-deals-as-it-happens/news-story/bd7a529ec72ba483cdc51d310d666ebb
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"Richmond and Blair (Hartley) were outstanding in their dealings. They held nothing back, the negotiations were made a lot easier by that. We had to split the deals, but Richmond were great."
- Jason McCartney on the Hopper deal
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1580003773656666112
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Those very complimentary comments from McCartney will only aid us in the future when we are chasing a player. Players will choose us not only because of our club and culture but also because they know we will get a fair deal done and not stuff everyone around.
Hops in the Yellow & Black
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1580010982989930496
Melbourne's weather says hi :snidegrin.
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Hopper will be interviewed on SEN shortly. Tune in.
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Hopper press conference at Punt Rd.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1236517/hopper-press-conference?videoId=1236517&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1665536839001
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Spoke very well and confidently. Looks to have leadership potential.
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Hopper interviewed by Dwayne Russell on SEN.
Summary:
* Not specific point to moving. Grateful to GWS and enjoyed his 9 years there.
* Last season it was frustrating being injured. Had a lot more time to think and chat to family, friends and his management. Partner from Victoria.
* Deal now done. He's pumped!
* As a junior growing up pre-GWS, you did think about playing for a Victorian club. While he enjoyed being a part of a new club building the game in Western Sydney, there's always been a part in him to play in Victoria for a big club like Richmond.
* Pumped and really looking forward to playing in front of the Tiger Army and their big crowds.
* Dusty with other senior Tigers in the meeting. Spoke highly of the club and its people. Seemed like great people - players, coaches & staff - to be a part of.
* Had plenty of options (Dwayne mentioned Geelong). In the end you've got to do what feels right and Richmond felt right. Geelong is a great club as is GWS and Richmond.
* One of the toughest decisions he's had to make. By the middle of the year it felt like a decision needed to be made and glad he's made it. Lucky now to play for such a great footy club.
* He's been around long enough to understand at this time of the year people come and people go. Asked about midseason moves: It would be strange for people to move midseason.
* Taranto and himself are supporting each other as good mates. It was never discussed that we should move together. Both of us pumped.
* With Leon Cameron moving on, it felt if I was going to make a change then this would be a good time to do it. Plenty of change going on at GWS but he reckons they will do what is right for them.
* Each year he is looking to grow and get better. New opportunity to grow in a new environment as well as having new people around that see him differently too.
* 7-year deal. Feels like home and feels that commitment is locking us into a period of success. People do look for job security but when you get to the midpoint of your career you do look for some long-term commitment. Has no idea the make-up of his contract (what he's getting paid each year across the 7 years). He just plays footy and leaves all that to his manager.
* You obviously make life decisions that are bigger than footy but ultimately you want to win a flag and I desperately want to win a flag.
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Here's the audio of Hopper's interview on SEN:
LISTEN HERE: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1050783
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1580027641955950592
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Dusty puts out the welcome mat for Hopper at Tigerland
Najma Sambul
The Age
October 12, 2022
Richmond recruit Jacob Hopper has been given a tour of Tigerland by superstar teammate Dustin Martin as part of his welcome to the club, with the 25-year-old midfielder joining on a seven-year contract.
Hopper was traded from Greater Western Sydney along with picks 53 and 63 in exchange for picks 31 and a future first-round pick, and he said the deal made him feel as though he had been drafted all over again.
“It was huge to get the call yesterday, just super pumped, feel like I’ve almost been drafted again, got those same kind of exciting feelings and just can’t wait to get started again,” Hopper said at Punt Rd on Wednesday.
“Dusty’s been brilliant, he was very good when I had my walkthrough ... I haven’t really spoken much to Dusty, so it was great to just hear from him.”
The former GWS player will be joining the powerhouse club with fellow ex-Giant Tim Taranto, with the pair likely to play the midfield together, and Hopper said the prospect made the trade even better.
“I think the opportunity to keep playing footy with Tim is massively appealing. I’ve loved playing footy with him, and we’ve built a real connection,” he said.
“We’re both pumped, we’ve been on the phone, chatting away. So it’s massively exciting.”
Hopper averaged 26 disposals, 3.8 tackles, and 4.3 inside 50s per game in 2021 at the Giants. He was also named in the All-Australian squad of 40 and nabbed 15 Brownlow Medal votes.
Hopper is contracted until 2029 and said he “always” wanted to sign a long-term contract with a club.
“I’m incredibly grateful for it, that there’s some serious belief in me, and I’ll back myself in every day of the week as well,” he said.
He had also been in talks with Geelong but had his sights set on becoming a Tiger, and had more time to consider his options this year.
“The year was challenging, not playing much and being injured. So, probably found myself with more time on my hands than usual [to think]. And it was something that was always in the back of my mind as well, to kind of get back closer to home,” he said.
Hopper has spoken with coach Damien Hardwick, describing the discussions as “awesome”. The midfielder began his AFL career at GWS after being drafted in 2015, and is looking forward to the change of a larger fan base.
“It’s been a great privilege to build and to contribute to growing a club in western Sydney ... I’ve had some games against the Tiger Army so to be on the other end of that is going to be pretty cool.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-puts-out-the-welcome-mat-for-hopper-at-tigerland-20221012-p5bp6z.html
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Hopper's first day at Tigerland.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1580057307068583936
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Hopper the same draft year as Dan Rioli (2015).
Both North Ballarat Rebels & St Patrick's College boys so a fair bit of history there.
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https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1580139083166232580
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Hopps talking to Richmond media.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1236787/nothing-but-excitement-hopper?videoId=1236787&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1665597600001
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Saw this on the AFL website
The deal sending Jacob Hopper to Richmond had a financial incentive as well for the Giants from the Tigers' end, perhaps explaining why the Giants ended up throwing in some selections late.
Does this just mean they had to dump his salary?
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Saw this on the AFL website
The deal sending Jacob Hopper to Richmond had a financial incentive as well for the Giants from the Tigers' end, perhaps explaining why the Giants ended up throwing in some selections late.
Does this just mean they had to dump his salary?
Sounds like we picked up a bit chunk of his 2023 salary
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I would expect we are taking on his full salary as part of his 7 year deal. Never expected the giants to contribute to that.
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I would expect we are taking on his full salary as part of his 7 year deal. Never expected the giants to contribute to that.
Ditto, this was our bargaining chip to get a good deal for him which we did
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Hop on top: New Tiger living the dream after 'frustrating' season
Richmond recruit Jacob Hopper tells Josh Gabelich about his move from GWS alongside good mate Tim Taranto
By Josh Gabelich
afl.com.au
20 October 2022
JACOB Hopper was at a mate's place in Melbourne when it all went down last Tuesday afternoon. Just when he thought his trade from Greater Western Sydney to Richmond was going to have to wait until deadline day, his manager Robbie D'Orazio called to tell him it was finally done.
After months of waiting, the paperwork had been lodged and approved.
Soon, Richmond GM Blair Hartley was on the other end of the phone after executing the Tigers' second piece of business with the Giants, following Tim Taranto's move to Punt Road on the opening day of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period. Then it was time to speak to GWS GM Jason McCartney, before sharing the news with family and friends.
After attending the wedding of GWS co-captain Stephen Coniglio days earlier – while his future was still up in the air – Hopper could drive to Sorrento that afternoon with the knowledge his future was sorted ahead of Phil Davis' wedding on the Mornington Peninsula.
Last week was all about saying goodbye, but now the dust has settled on the career-changing move from a club with the second-lowest membership base in 2022 to the club with the second-highest, from a start-up franchise to a powerhouse that was founded in 1885.
Having spent most of September travelling through Italy, Switzerland, France and England, Hopper is busy organising the logistics of relocating from New South Wales to Victoria, counting down the days until day one of pre-season at the Swinburne Centre.
"It is now very real. I've got to say goodbyes and get my life sorted. There is a real excitement and eagerness now to get started," Hopper told AFL.com.au this week.
"Most off-seasons you try and enjoy your time off and you're not overly looking forward to getting back and into it all. But at this point, there has been so much talk and it's been such a long process, now there is a real eagerness to get into training, get to know new teammates and new staff."
While Taranto was the focus of trade speculation from the start of the season – and the general consensus was Tanner Bruhn would request a trade back to Victoria by the end of his first deal – Hopper had a contract with the Giants for 2023 and didn't emerge as a trade target until the midway point of the season.
By that stage of the year, Hopper had played only once due to a nagging knee injury that required a second round of surgery in a matter of months, after he pulled up in pain following the round one loss to Sydney.
It meant while Greater Western Sydney's season was going from bad to worse in his absence – leading to the departure of Leon Cameron after nearly a decade at the club – Hopper had the time to carefully consider where he wanted to play his football long-term.
"I had more time on my hands than I anticipated this year, that's for sure. I was trying to get the knee right early in the year. There was an opportunity to be explored. It was great to be able to enter into the process pretty open-minded about everything," he said.
"I love Sydney, I love the Giants and I loved my time there as well, so it wasn't something I went into light-heartedly. I wanted to meet with as many people as I could and have open discussions. Geelong were part of that process as well. It just felt really right with the Tigers. If it was going to get done, it felt like the Tigers was the place for me.
"There wasn't a definitive point where I said yes or felt like I was going to explore leaving the Giants. I think it was just meeting the people inside the building. I'm halfway through my career now and you want to be with people that I can have the most success on and off the field with."
After a 2021 campaign where Hopper established himself as a star by earning selection in the 40-man All-Australian squad and polling 15 Brownlow votes to finish third in the Kevin Sheedy Medal, not much went to plan this season.
"Hindsight is a beautiful thing, isn't it? If we had our time again, we'd probably do some things differently. I feel like that's the case with injuries that don't turn out the way you want them to. It was just a frustrating time," he said.
"I got impatient at times which cost us. Once I was able to cool the jets, I could focus on really getting it right. It was hard to sit and watch the footy that the boys were playing and not getting the results we wanted. It was a tough experience but it was good to get some footy in the back end."
Rarely do two players from one club land at the same club in the same trade period, especially proven stars. Steven May arrived at Melbourne 12 months after Jake Lever. Tom Lynch moved to Punt Road two years after Dion Prestia.
But that's what happened during the trade period. Richmond convinced Hopper and Taranto that there is enough room for both of them in Damien Hardwick's midfield, then went to work satisfying the Giants' demands.
Hopper, like Taranto – and most Giants – didn't grow up in Sydney, but matured at GWS after arriving as an 18-year-old, following five years in the club's academy. Throughout the year the pair shared the uncertainty, anxiety and excitement of making the decisions they ultimately made.
"It's really unique that we've both landed at Richmond. We were just supporting each other as mates during the year. It initially just started with us catching up and checking in about a move. We never thought this was a possibility," he said.
"We both love playing footy together; we feel we play our best footy together. It was only late in the process where we thought, 'hang on this could actually happen'. Then we got really excited about that. We were just holding on and praying that we'd get there in the end."
Both Hopper and Taranto have inked seven-year contracts with Richmond, committing the best winters of their careers to the yellow and black. Hopper knows that decision has been met with derision in some quarters – especially in the wake of Brodie Grundy's departure from Collingwood – but he is comfortable with the scrutiny and expectation that comes with putting his signature on that piece of paper.
"I think it was something that at this point of my career I wanted to sign a long-term deal," he said. "I've signed a couple of twos. I wanted to get to the halfway point of my career and commit long-term and focus on being a part of a club and trying to make it as successful as I possibly can.
"I'm super stoked to say I'm a Tiger for seven years. It's a long-term commitment from both me and the club."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/858816/hop-on-top-new-tiger-living-the-dream-after-frustrating-season
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The best kind of teammate to train with! (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f436.png)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/abcsport/status/1588361526687039489
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Hopper's first day as a Tiger on the training track :thumbsup.
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Big hands or a small football
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I have a few friends who play AFL. They reckon hopper is better than Taranto, interesting because I thought Taranto was easily.
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With Cotch to mentor it will be interesting to see how he goes
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I have a few friends who play AFL. They reckon hopper is better than Taranto, interesting because I thought Taranto was easily.
Interesting
I go back to the 2019 GF and I thought Hopper was better than Taranto on the day. Handled the occasion a lot better. So based on that I've always been of the view Hopper is the better player
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I have a few friends who play AFL. They reckon hopper is better than Taranto, interesting because I thought Taranto was easily.
Interesting
I go back to the 2019 GF and I thought Hopper was better than Taranto on the day. Handled the occasion a lot better. So based on that I've always been of the view Hopper is the better player
Always thought Taranto was better because he has more strings to his bow but I’ll get a closer look this season. Also thought Taranto was clearly the giants best player on grand final day although that isn’t really saying much.
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I have a few friends who play AFL. They reckon hopper is better than Taranto, interesting because I thought Taranto was easily.
Interesting
I go back to the 2019 GF and I thought Hopper was better than Taranto on the day. Handled the occasion a lot better. So based on that I've always been of the view Hopper is the better player
I thought Hopper was their best and commented on the day how much I liked the look of him.
Regardless it doesn't really matter since we landed both :D
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Taranto is an absolute gun!
and Hopper is better?
I need a minute....
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They're both guns and exactly what we needed. I'm pumped.
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Taranto was their best GF day IMO .. tried his absolute guts out
We are very lucky to have them both .. great gets
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‘Good game of bluff’: Doco reveals dark arts of AFL trade period
By Marnie Vinall
The Age
December 2, 2022
The management of former GWS midfielder Jacob Hopper advised him of their plan to call the Giants’ bluff and get their man to Richmond in one of the highest-profile moves of this year’s AFL trade period.
The conversation is revealed in the new season of a documentary that goes behind the scenes of several key deals, including the one that prised the contracted Hopper away from the Giants to Punt Rd and the four-club mega-deal that delivered No.1 pick Jason Horne-Francis to Port Adelaide.
In a scene of Show Me The Money II featuring Hopper, influential player manager Paul Connors and his business partner Robbie D’Orazio, Connors tells the midfielder: “You’re 95 per cent getting traded. We’ve got clubs who want you, we’ve got you who’s in, now we just need the third party and that’s the Giants.”
D’Orazio then explains that the Giants’ general manager of football, Jason McCartney, holds the key.
“This one is a little bit interesting because he is contracted and the player’s the one requesting the trade, rather than the club pushing the player out,” said D’Orazio.
“Jason McCartney and the club holds all the power here.”
Connors adds: “If I put Jase’s hat on, Jase is a really good game of bluff, so I feel like they’d like to start afresh, but if you’re GWS, you’re not telling us that. You’re holding that information close”.
Hopper interjects: “Yeah, I feel like it’s the worst kept secret ever though”.
Connors says the deal could go down to the wire despite the Giants needing to free up salary cap space and wanting to attack the draft under new coach Adam Kingsley.
“Because you’re in contract, we’ve got to make sure they can do the deal. I think you’re in a really lovely situation, and I do think, bottom of my heart, that the Giants will trade you but remember they’re not going to declare that to you,” Connors says. “They are going to play their cards close.”
Hopper was traded to the Tigers with picks 53 and 63 in exchange for Richmond’s future first-round selection and pick No. 31 at this year’s draft.
The 25-year-old, who was the No.7 pick in the 2015 national draft, signed a seven-year deal with his new club, tying him to the Tigers until the end of 2029. He followed former GWS teammate Tim Taranto, who was nabbed by the Tigers on the opening day of the trade period.
The documentary will premiere on Stan, owned by Nine Entertainment Co, which also owns The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald, in February.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/good-game-of-bluff-doco-reveals-dark-arts-of-afl-trade-period-20221201-p5c2w6.html
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Pics taken after today's training session with Jacob Hopper in full Richmond kit.
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Probably sees more people watching Richmond train than at actual GWS matches ;D.
You know we've got hardcore idiot fans when a driver of 4WD slows down to 20km in the left lane of Punt Rd in the middle of heavy traffic and flicks on the hazard lights so the passenger can take some photo snaps of training :o.
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Hoppy 26th birthday, Jacob! :birthday
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1622354881171587072
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Jacob Hopper (MID, $716,000)
The move: Greater Western Sydney to Richmond
Predicted average: 93-98
Classic ownership: 3 per cent
Draft ranking: 40-50 midfielder
Due to injuries, Hopper managed just seven games last year and joined Taranto in the off-season as they both made their way to the Tigers where they've been welcomed with open arms. Hopper is a genuine midfielder and is capable of averaging 90-plus. In Classic, he is discounted, but off his 2021 season where he averaged 89, which now prices him awkwardly at $716,000 which is the equivalent to an average of 81.
Verdict: Hopper is the definition of a Draft sleeper. When players are ranked on last year's average, Hopper sits outside the top 110 midfielders available. Easy decision … move him up in your rankings.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/874590/new-stripes-right-price-the-best-recruits-to-target-in-fantasy
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Hopper has been missing match sims. Anyone know what injury he’s dealing with?
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Hopper has been missing match sims. Anyone know what injury he’s dealing with?
He was there today. Played for the yellow team and he was impressive
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Hopper has been missing match sims. Anyone know what injury he’s dealing with?
He was there today. Played for the yellow team and he impressive
Love it
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Hopper has been missing match sims. Anyone know what injury he’s dealing with?
Has been on a managed program, does 1 of the 2 main sessions a week incl match sim.
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Hopper has been missing match sims. Anyone know what injury he’s dealing with?
Has been on a managed program, does 1 of the 2 main sessions a week incl match sim.
Is it just from the knee that kept him out for most of last season?
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Hopper has been missing match sims. Anyone know what injury he’s dealing with?
Has been on a managed program, does 1 of the 2 main sessions a week incl match sim.
Is it just from the knee that kept him out for most of last season?
I got no idea on that one, i assume it's to get him through the off season.
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Going through the newbies. Your thoughts on Hopper's game?
Hopper's stats:
23 disposals (8k, 15h, 14c, 11u, 73.9% eff.)
2 marks
2 tackles
9 clearances ( 6 centre clearances )
5 inside 50s
270 metres gained
7 score involvements
1 free for
2 frees against
83% game time
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does all of his work inside so it’s easy to think he has had a quiet game even when he’s actually played well. 9 clearances is as elite as it gets.
Looks to me that he’s still not 100% confident in his body. There was that mark 40-45m from goal and it never looked like he was gonna do anything other than pass it off. Maybe still lacking penetration in his kicking due to his knee injury from the past couple of seasons?
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Underwhelmed but it's early
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He did some nice things, one of our best.
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A key Richmond recruit is embracing the added expectation and top four hype surrounding the Tigers. Jacob Hopper is no stranger to the power of the yellow and black army, and the star midfielder spoke exclusively to 7NEWS.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1634106148155686912
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Jacob Hopper's first game at the MCG was playing for the Giants in front of 94,000 Tiger fans.
He's in for a different experience in his first game as a Tiger on Thursday night...
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1634108735953174528
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Hopper pre-game receiving his #22 guernsey from Josh Caddy.
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1636266384635363328
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Hopper's stats in his first game as a Tiger:
18 disposals (12k, 6h, 7c, 12u, 61.1% eff.)
3 marks
3 tackles (2 F50 tackles)
1 clearance
6 inside 50s
381 metres gained
3 intercepts
1 score involvement
1 goal assist
2 frees for
72% time on ground
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Was disappointing- needs to lift.
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Was disappointing- needs to lift.
Couple of his skill errors really hurt
Muffed short kicking errors that were schoolboy errors
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We saw it with Tarrant last year taking a while to get into the groove and the same thing will happen with Hopper.
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Actually did a great job combating Cripps. We usually get nailed to the wall by Carlton's mids. It's their biggest strength. Last night we broke even. Hopper was a big part of that. Dimma mentioned that he's at his best around stoppages and most of the stoppages were at either end of the ground where he wasn't. This is why his numbers weren't as big. Wait until we play at a smaller ground next week and watch his numbers sour.
He's also still learning our defensive system, so he'll try to balance between defence and offense. I just want to see more turnovers through the middle of the ground and that will only happen when our midfield improves their defensive zone to force teams to kick long down the line. At the moment, I feel it's the new midfielders like Hopper who are still learning that role, that are holding us back in this area.
Regardless, it's nice to have a bull around contests. I think he'll be a jet.
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seen taranto on him a fair bit at stoppages
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Have to admit...first time I’ve ever really seen the bloke play.
He wasn’t bad. Certainly doesn’t look to have the play style of the inside mid bull that I heard we’d brought in though
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The Official AFL player rankings rated Hopper's game ahead of Taranto's although both their ratings aren't high.
Junior Rioli Port Adelaide 23.0
Tom Mitchell Collingwood 21.3
Jason Horne-Francis Port Adelaide 18.9
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Jacob Hopper Richmond 8.6
Izak Rankine Adelaide 7.8
Zaine Cordy St Kilda 7.8
Tim Taranto Richmond 7.2
https://www.afl.com.au/news/886770/power-players-how-the-recruits-ranked-in-round-one
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I am tipping Hop to have a huge game this week.
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What a load of poppycock those rankings are and almost every other super special statistic the AFL & Champion Data come out with.
Sometimes football is football and you can tell who is going alright by watching the game
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You can only lol at such nonsense
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Yep Taranto below Cordy is truely laughable
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Hopps showing today why we went out and got him.
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Hopps showing today why we went out and got him.
Horrible looking injury
Hope he’s ok
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This day has gone to poo real quick.
Atleast hobbled off. Hoping worst case is syndesmosis
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I thought he was close to BOG for us. Very consistent and cleaned up his disposal.
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I had Hopper BOG at half-time.
He came back on after going down with that ankle. Surely, we wouldn't have risked further injury if there was something seriously wrong with that ankle? :-\
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First two games A tale of two hoppers
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Hoppers crossing??
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Midfield generator Jacob Hopper, arguably the most influential player in the Tigers’ rampant first half, hurt his right ankle in a crunching Rory Laird tackle in the opening moments of the fourth period. Hardwick expects him to be available for the Collingwood clash.
“He finished the game, which is a positive,” he said. “We’ll wait till we get scans and work our way through that one. We’re confident that he’ll play next week, but we’ll wait and see.”
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-tigers-put-a-crows-miracle-to-bed-open-their-winning-account-20230325-p5cv7n.html).
Jacob post-game said he believes he's ok.
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Outstanding game
BOG for mine
Will watch the replay later today when I get home to see if the TV picked up his gut running and handwork off the ball
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Dimma in his presser said that Hopper's current knee issue is a collision injury and unrelated to his previous injury concerns last season at the Giants. He will be back next week.
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Best game for the Club tonight
He was good the other week against Adelaide but better tonight
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Best game for the Club tonight
He was good the other week against Adelaide but better tonight
Was our best by a country mile.
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Who gives a stiff if he was good. The pair of them play for themselves as they did for gws.
Complete and utter waste of time picking them up especially hopper at his age. Pick them up and we finish 12th is just fantastic isn’t it.
If it was all about clearances then we would have gone after Mitchell, and one of them. 2 of them is garbage.
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I think this mindset is overs and overshadows the biggest issue - Ball movement and leadership. Our game style is rubbish.
You always, always need contested mids to get the ball first. Always. These are very hard to find and are just about always developed through the AFL system compared to other positions you can find mature aged / rookies - small forwards (Butler, George), Rucks (Nank/Soldo) and key backs (Grimes, Young).
Our track record of finding good first round picks and developing them is awful. I'm not convinced we would have drafted anything equivalent of Taranto and Hopper in the draft. Where are Conca, Collier Dawkins, Corey Ellis, Lennon? Chuck in Coleman Jones too.
The decision to trade these guys will only impact us in 5-7 years time when they have retired and the equivalent drafted players are 25. Making this an issue is their 5 game is a ridiculous narrative being spun by the media.
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Jack
Rioli
Cotch
Balta
Rance
Gibcus
Dusty
That’s modern day first round picks/early 2. You can’t throw conca era as a suitable argument. Times have changed and we hope we aren’t going back to those days.
I standby by what I said. If it was about clearances then there were much cheaper options. We don’t have a premiership side, and these blokes especially hopper would be a nice selection to round off a premiership side like prestia was.
I see zero benefit in picking up players who help you finish lower. Our list is in terrible shape, on every line.
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, and these blokes especially hopper would be a nice selection to round off a premiership side like prestia was.
Sorry I have to ask what do you mean about Prestia "rounding off a premiership side"?
He wasn't important to us winning those premierships?
Seriously, I have no idea what you mean
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Jack
Rioli
Cotch
Balta
Rance
Gibcus
Dusty
That’s modern day first round picks/early 2. You can’t throw conca era as a suitable argument. Times have changed and we hope we aren’t going back to those days.
I standby by what I said. If it was about clearances then there were much cheaper options. We don’t have a premiership side, and these blokes especially hopper would be a nice selection to round off a premiership side like prestia was.
I see zero benefit in picking up players who help you finish lower. Our list is in terrible shape, on every line.
Cotchin and Dusty are only inside mids on that list. And both were pick 2 and 3. The picks we gave up were not that high. To get good inside mids you generally have to have high picks which we didn't have. (Petrecca, Oliver, Rowell, Cripps, Bont, Macrae). I don't see the picks we had solving out biggest issue of having no contested mids for clearance. Even if we did trade in a worldy they aren't peaking for 2-4 years anyway.
Our premierships were largely complimented by rookie picks (Short, Baker, Butler, Castagna, Soldo), mature aged (Broad, Pickett), pre season picks (Grimes, Houli) and traded players (Prestia, Caddy, Nank, Lynch, Grigg). Gone are the days of stock piling high draft picks and winning flags (Hawthorn only example). Saints did it and couldn't win one.
I'm not worried that losing a couple of licks will be end of world. Much more concerned with current group confidence, game plan and leadership. Those things wins you flags.
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Jack
Rioli
Cotch
Balta
Rance
Gibcus
Dusty
That’s modern day first round picks/early 2. You can’t throw conca era as a suitable argument. Times have changed and we hope we aren’t going back to those days.
I standby by what I said. If it was about clearances then there were much cheaper options. We don’t have a premiership side, and these blokes especially hopper would be a nice selection to round off a premiership side like prestia was.
I see zero benefit in picking up players who help you finish lower. Our list is in terrible shape, on every line.
Cotchin and Dusty are only inside mids on that list. And both were pick 2 and 3. The picks we gave up were not that high. To get good inside mids you generally have to have high picks which we didn't have. (Petrecca, Oliver, Rowell, Cripps, Bont, Macrae). I don't see the picks we had solving out biggest issue of having no contested mids for clearance. Even if we did trade in a worldy they aren't peaking for 2-4 years anyway.
Our premierships were largely complimented by rookie picks (Short, Baker, Butler, Castagna, Soldo), mature aged (Broad, Pickett), pre season picks (Grimes, Houli) and traded players (Prestia, Caddy, Nank, Lynch, Grigg). Gone are the days of stock piling high draft picks and winning flags (Hawthorn only example). Saints did it and couldn't win one.
I'm not worried that losing a couple of licks will be end of world. Much more concerned with current group confidence, game plan and leadership. Those things wins you flags.
well we have holes in just about every facet of our club right now. Our coaching and game plan has been shocking.
Its not about stock piling its about getting talent through the door. I cant see much talent in our midfield if i'm being honest. Bolton is too much of a fairy for me and is on when he wants to.
Our guns have past it and who is our emerging talent now? Ross, Hugo, Mansell? They are poo.
, and these blokes especially hopper would be a nice selection to round off a premiership side like prestia was.
Sorry I have to ask what do you mean about Prestia "rounding off a premiership side"?
He wasn't important to us winning those premierships?
Seriously, I have no idea what you mean
Who said he wasnt important? We picked him up as the club knew we were close. A year later we are winning flags. The thinking is now we are 3-6 years away from flags so i see zero benefit in having both of these boys espeically one that will be over 30 by the time we contest based on our list demographic.
Also everyone seems to forget what we actually received in return for Dion.
Richmond will get Prestia and pick No.24 (Caddy) and send pick No.6 and their future second-round pick to Gold Coast.
This is what we gave up for Hopper.
Tigers in a swap for Richmond's future first-round pick and pick No.31 in this draft, with Hopper and late Giants picks (No.53 and 63) going back to the Tigers. Its looking like a top 5 pick now.
Another point is Dion was younger than Hopper was he not? Just turned 24 when we drafted him.. Hopper will be 27 by the start of next season. That in my view is a mistake. Happy to be proven wrong and i hope i am, but as of now i would say its not looking a good trade if we finish in the same spot without him and that pick ends up another Dusty.
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Saying Hopper will be 27 at start of next year's season for a pick 5 and the next Dusty is the most glass half empty opinion possible.
You could go the other way and say we got Hopper at 25 years old and avoided picking up Corey Ellis.
We will win a number of games this year and can't see us getting a top 10 pick. We won't finish below
Hawks
North
Eagles
GWS
Gold Coast
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Next group is a bit of a lottery and will probably be decided based on injuries and ease of draw. These teams are making up numbers and realistically aren't winning the flag this year knocking off a Melb Lions Pies Swans. I'm being kind to Saints who look great at the moment but realistically I can't see them beating one of those top 4 sides
Crows
Essendon
Freo
Cats
Tigers
Dogs
Port
Carlton
So to avoid doomsday at worse we finish in the bottom 3rd of that middle group and we get pick 8 or 9. Let's also not forget that the Taranto deal was done early for unders so GWS could trade up for Cadman and in good faith we would balance that deal out for Hopper for slightly overs so the combo of the two deals were fair.
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lol you cannot solve the problem in the first place if you dont actually draft any inside mids or take a minimalistic approach.
Same for key fwds. year on year some of us have been saying we need to fix these areas and not with late nd and rookie picks or doubtful mid season picks.
Look im viewed as a mug by most but even the last two drafts and i can go back further than that i called for just Taranto and we keep our pick 31 and stay in this years first round.
The year before we had 5 picks. I voiced the opinion at the time that we should do everything to get another pick. As each pick came up i went Erasmus big mid, JVR kpf , Sonsie sml mid, Bazzo kpd, Howes tall fwd but stated was happy with the Clarke pick. Player i mentioned with that extra pick i wanted was Owens Windhager Draper all bigger mids and Jack Williams a kpf.
Throw in pick 31 and this years first minus Hopper and how much better does it look going fwd.We could have added a mature mid instead of Hopper thru f/a or rookie draft or even a cheap trade.
Just saying with hindsight that looks a far better approach to what we did and im just a chump on the outside looking in. but there is no doubt we have not been targeting the right players where we had the biggest deficiency.
Yes we ended up trading for two big mids it was forced on us in many ways because the list management was so poor.
We are still in the same predicament of needing quality young key fwds and big bodied well rounded mids in development. FMD this has been going on for years and still here we are needing to address the problem of getting the right young types into our system.
Lets go back three drafts and take note of the player types and size of recruits and where taken. This is just drafts.
2022 Bauer tall fwd msd, Smith 49 sml/def, Green 55 sml/mid, Rookie Campbell sml/fwd. Young mature kpd. Nyuon rookie.
2021 Parker med/fwd msd, 9 Gibcus kpd, 17 Brown med hb, Sonsie sml/mid, Banks med/hb, Clarke sml fwd.
2020 40 Ryan ruck, MRJ 51 sml/fwd, traded pick 20.
Its similar going right back with minimal investment in bigger mids and key fwds. The few we have taken have been busts but that should not surprise people when you look at where we are taking most of them.
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We got fleeced, they were happy to let him go. We should have stood firm with just the one pick.
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Pick 5 would be tough to swallow but I don't think we'll finish this low. Probably end up being pick 10-12 at least.
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Jacob Hopper says the Tigers will relish the chance to correct their form against Melbourne
Glenn McFarlane
HeraldSun
23 April 2023
Richmond midfielder Jacob Hopper isn’t fazed by the criticism levelled at the club’s midfield over its centre clearance concerns this season, insisting Monday night’s Anzac Eve game against Melbourne provides the perfect platform to turn it around.
Hopper is the first to concede it hasn’t been a smooth start to 2023 for the Tigers, with the club having won only one game so far this season.
An injury crisis hasn’t helped their cause, with a number of critics suggesting the club’s premiership window has shut with one saying the Tigers “sold the farm” by offering Hopper and Tim Taranto seven-year deals to leave the Giants for Punt Rd.
None of the talk worries 26-year-old Hopper, whose focus is far more on getting an outcome against the Demons than worrying about what the outside world is saying about his club.
“That’s all part of the game, people are always going to comment on things when you aren’t winning games,” Hopper explained. “But if you look at it, we haven’t had a lot of things go our way. If a few of those results had gone the other way, it would be a very different story.”
“We are really good at focusing on what happens inside the four walls at the club and on being as honest as we can be. We haven’t quite been at our best, but we are really upbeat.
“I know it is harder to stay positive when you are not getting the outcomes. We feel like we are playing some good footy, we’ve just got to start finding a way to win some more games.”
Hopper has made a solid start to his time at Richmond, with his 32-disposal, five-clearance, five-tackle effort in the loss to the Swans last week his best showing in yellow and black.
But he knows there is plenty of improvement left.
Playing footy in the game’s heartland is something Hopper is relishing. It has provided him with the opportunity to play in front of the massive Tiger army, but it has also brought with it greater attention than he received in his 114 games across seven seasons with the Giants.
Some might see that as a double-edged sword, but Hopper wouldn’t have it any other way.
“You can’t have one without the other,” the 26-year-old said. “You have to embrace it all.”
“You get a greater exposure to the game here (in Melbourne) and you get to experience massive games such as Anzac Eve. The spotlight is there, you cannot shy away from it.”
Hopper said the transition to the Tigers has been seamless from a personal perspective, made all the more easier by having his great mate Taranto joining the club at the same time.
“It’s been a great transition,” he said. “I am truly loving it, it’s an incredible experience to come to such a great club, and to forge relationships with great people.
“We will continue to forge those relationships … It really feels like home for me now.
“I’ve got my buddy here (Taranto) so that has been huge for me, especially in the early stages. It was great to have the support network as we’ve played a lot of footy together.”
Hopper said the prospect of playing in blockbuster games such as Anzac Eve played a part in his decision to choose Richmond as his preferred destination late last year.
He was traded to Punt Rd for pick 34 last year and the Tigers’ first round pick in 2023, while teammate Taranto was traded for picks 13 and 22 last year.
“I’m really looking forward to it, it’s one of those games I am super excited to be a part of,” he said. “It will be a big test too. Melbourne is a great team and it’s a great occasion.”
“We are embracing everything about it (Anzac Eve) and listening to the stories.”
Like the Tigers, the Demons are coming off a disappointing Gather Round experience, and Hopper expects Melbourne’s midfield to come out firing.
“They have got some guys who are playing great footy, and they have a fair few who can go through there as well,” he said.
“In a weird way, we are looking forward to it. It is a good opportunity for us. If we can win games like these, it’s the games where memories are made.”
Hopper managed only seven games last year in his final season with the Giants, due to a nagging knee complaint he struggled to shake off. He missed a game due to a knee knock earlier this year, but says he feels fit and raring to go … and he’s grateful to be back playing regularly again.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-round-6-2023-jacob-hopper-says-the-tigers-will-relish-the-chance-to-correct-their-form-against-melbourne/news-story/cbb9ba551f421c2e9c1bde726d75a63e
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Reckon he’s been ahead of my expectations. Killed it vs Crows and was excellent vs Swans. Quiet vs Blues and was ok vs Bulldogs.
He’s a fraction ahead of Taranto at this point.
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Don't think many would argue against the reasons we got them. To get big bodied ball winners to help with clearance and c/p issues.
No one can argue they help with that. Simply because what good inside mids we had are aged and in decline and there was no younger ones coming thru. Plus both are pretty good in those roles. We got both i suppose because and i know tiger people hate to hear it but we have failed to draft any good ones in fact have hardly acknowledged the need.
There are bigger issues at play here not the least is our reluctance to even draft big bodied types like them or even play em for starters and when we do we fail to play em in the right roles.
Hopper and Taranto mask over our real failure to find and develop junior players like em or when we do draft them give em a proper go in their right roles.
Trading out of drafts is not ideal either in this just Taranto would have been good enough. Imo of course.
If we do not find a way back into this years first round it will make three out of the last 4 drafts we have not had a first round pick.
I thought one thing we did well until 2020 was stay in the first round even if we got the picks wrong, even when we did trades we managed to stay in the first round in most drafts. we at least gave ourselves a shot at the best available kids and we gave our recruiters a chance. i suppose thats a process.
The other thing is now trading out of the first round regularly to exacerbate the problem thru success a lot of our picks have been late first rounders. Instead of trading out of the draft we should have been finding ways to trade up instead of trading away picks.
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I agree with Claw about the concern about being locked out of top end talent in multiple years however Gibcus year we did have a bumper draft.
I do however not subscribe to the obsession of first round picks being the key to success. Whilst our dynasty was built around our top end talent - First rounders in Dusty (3), Cotchin (2), Riewoldt (13) and high second rounders Rance (19), Edwards (26). This was complimented by traded players and free agency of top end players Prestia, Lynch, Caddy. However all clubs have this with equalisation and draft order regardless of trading in and out of draft years. The key always will be is ensuring your bottom 10 players are at worst really good B and C graders.
Carlton are perfect example have had 2 era where top 6-8 players are as good as any team in the comp but there bottom 6 are park footballers. Judd era of Feb Juss Gibbs Kreuz, Murphy and now with Cripps Walsh, Doch, McKay, Curnow, Cerra. But both lists have a bottom 6 that are very average.
Look at Cats, when will they fall off the cliff, they don't cause they refuse to have a weak bottom 6 players. There worst player Miers or Close still hurt scoreboard and put forward pressure on. There are no passengers. That's what I think is more important than worrying about getting top 5 picks or top ten picks onto the list. Swans are the same albeit with some academy rorting help.
Our dynasty was on the back of some elite rookie selecting and development and great leadership group. Not top 10 picks.
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I reckon this guy is working himself into form and is a real leader.
Shows more leadership than our captains.
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THE NEW GUYS: THE TOP 10 RECRUITS AND DRAFTEES FROM ROUND 6
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
26 April 2023
4. Jacob Hopper (Richmond)
Hopper was good again for the Tigers with 23 touches and a goal against the Demons.
He also took 10 marks, had seven inside 50s, six score involvements and laid five tackles.
It was a serviceable showing against a strong Melbourne midfield unit and his efforts helped the Tigers to a 25-point lead during the second term.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/26/the-new-guys-the-top-10-recruits-and-draftees-from-round-6/
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Hopper also had a game high 10 clearances, 9 inside 50s and 644 metres gained today.
32 disposals (19k, 13h, 18c, 15u, 62.5% eff.)
No marks curiously.
6 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
10 clearances (4 centre clearances)
9 inside 50s
644 metres gained
5 intercepts
7 score involvements
2 goal assists
1 goal
1 behind
76% time on ground
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Terrific game, again showed why we got him
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The hopper to Taranto link up that resulted in a goal was why we signed the two on. I know we played a wafl side but hopefully “the system” finally sets for the two recruits like we saw with Robbie Tarrant
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After the execution by media & the unwarranted opinions of every journo in the country, we can ask ourselves one question - where would we be without Hopper & Taranto? :clapping
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Really glad we picked up Hopper and Taranto.
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After the execution by media & the unwarranted opinions of every journo in the country, we can ask ourselves one question - where would we be without Hopper & Taranto? :clapping
We’d be stuffed.
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we would be stuffed? I would say we are stuffed sitting 4th last
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we would be stuffed? I would say we are stuffed sitting 4th last
:lol
Touché…
Should have said “even more stuffed”
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we would be stuffed? I would say we are stuffed sitting 4th last
:lol
Touché…
Should have said “even more stuffed”
Gee would we be stuffed? Would have a top 3 pick almost locked in lol
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we would be stuffed? I would say we are stuffed sitting 4th last
:lol
Touché…
Should have said “even more stuffed”
Gee would we be stuffed? Would have a top 3 pick almost locked in lol
“Even more stuffed in terms of results THIS YEAR”
:lol
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Probable loss this week against Geelong then 14 games we could be winning. Season not set in stone yet
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Jacob hopper is defending his move to Richmond alongside fellow high profile recruit Tim Taranto. The 26-year-old says finals are still on the cards for the Tigers, and they're backing their coach to deliver. @laura_spurway @7AFL
Click on pic/link to watch:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/Hopper7news08052023.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1655496286232272897)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1655496286232272897
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Looks like another injury :scream. Hopper subbed off and got ice on his calf.
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 reckons Hopper will miss 3-4 weeks.
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Tom Browneye wouldn't have a stuffen clue.
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surprise another injury. Just bad luck, fitness crew are doing a great job. :lol
Let’s face it we didn’t miss him tonight. His game was as bad as cumberlands last week IMO.
He hasn’t played well recently if you ask me.
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surprise another injury. Just bad luck, fitness crew are doing a great job. :lol
Let’s face it we didn’t miss him tonight. His game was as bad as cumberlands last week IMO.
He hasn’t played well recently if you ask me.
It was horrible luck
Geelong player bent his leg tackling him from behind
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Perhaps.
I haven’t seen it as I’m not home yet, but IMO his game was horrible prior to that injury.
His worst all year.
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Perhaps.
I haven’t seen it as I’m not home yet, but IMO his game was horrible prior to that injury.
His worst all year.
He wasn't great but I wouldn't say we didn't miss him.
Blokes like Ross and HRS were dead set terrible until pretty much 3QT. No reason to assume Hopper wouldn't have bobbed up as well like they did.
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Could do but IMO he was as bad as anyone for those 3 quarters so we didn’t miss him one bit. Thats my view anyway
Hopefully we see what dow has got for the next few games.
We have to find more talent with injury prone hopper missing games all over the place.
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Is Dow injured
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Jacob Hopper will be unavailable for the medium-term after suffering a soleus strain on Friday night.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1657997420171792385
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NOOOOOOOO
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Hopper interviewed by 7news last night about Dimma's exit.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1661293485000126464
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Could do but IMO he was as bad as anyone for those 3 quarters so we didn’t miss him one bit. Thats my view anyway
Hopefully we see what dow has got for the next few games.
We have to find more talent with injury prone hopper missing games all over the place.
Dow well oone game is enough for them id say. If only they had the same philosophy with the kids as they do with oldies.
Dow was poor last week but they need to show some faith and start backing in a few to turn it around.
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Despite the team result, how did we all see Hopper's return to the side?
22 disposals (13k, 9h, 8c, 14u, 68.2% eff.)
4 marks
6 tackles
2 clearances
3 inside 50s
384 metres gained
2 intercepts
7 score involvements
2 goals
1 behind
74% time on ground
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Did better than most. An indictment on the team that he was our highest scorer
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Thought he was our best mid by a long way and in our top 5 (easily)
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Very very quiet first half but like the rest of our midfield thought he was very good in the second half. He’s a lot more agile than I thought he was, got a nice little side step on him. Reckon we’ll see the best from him next season.
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Agree. He’s quality.
Got a feeling he would make a good skipper.
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He played a very good game. Very good
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He chopped it up in the first quarter but improved 100%
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Jacob Hopper and Swan James Rowbottom have both been fined $1500 ($1000 with an early plea) for careless contact with an umpire.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/964982/match-review-top-tiger-sent-straight-to-tribunal-for-bump).
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Jacob Hopper and Swan James Rowbottom have both been fined $1500 ($1000 with an early plea) for careless contact with an umpire.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/964982/match-review-top-tiger-sent-straight-to-tribunal-for-bump).
When will umpires pay for there carelessness
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Hopper is averaging 22.7 disposals, 9.3 contested possessions, 3.5 marks, 4.7 clearances, 5.3 inside-50s, 5.1 score involvements, 4.1 tackles and 383.5 metres gained per game in his debut season with Richmond.
In last Thursday night’s victory over Sydney he had 22 disposals, nine contested possessions, seven clearances, three inside-50s, four rebound-50s, seven score involvements, three tackles and 442 metres gained.
The 26-year-old spoke to Channel Seven in a post-match interview about his recovery from the calf injury.
“It was a bit longer (out of action) than I would have hoped for, but that’s just footy,” Hopper said.
“We felt like we ‘rehabbed’ it really well and I feel really good . . .
“I just want to be part of, hopefully, some more wins.”
Hopper also conveyed how happy he is at Tigerland after a 114-game career with Greater Western Sydney.
“Love it. It’s a great club. So many great people,” he said.
“I think to see what ‘Mini’ (Andrew McQualter) has done after ‘Dimma’ (Damien Hardwick) leaving was just like incredible, the way that we handled it, the way that leadership handled it.
“Mini’s been fantastic, and the boys love him. Everyone’s behind him.
“I think that’s what great clubs are made of.
“In testing moments like that, to stand up the way we have, has been awesome to be a part of.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1377716/hopper-making-his-presence-felt-post-injury
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Like I've said all along , everyone at the club loves mini especially the players and they are playing for him.. forget the Brisbane game. Many players were suffering a virus that night , not just Dusty
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Player's don't pick the coach and nor should they. :shh
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Player's don't pick the coach and nor should they. :shh
Mention that to Sydney Paul Roos and Terry Wallace
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Just rang them and they both agreed. :shh :shh
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Just rang them and they both agreed. :shh :shh
Here in Sicily we say, ... Apri la finestra!!!... Which means open the window. Do you understand what that means
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Player's don't pick the coach and nor should they. :shh
Agree
Mini will go through the process and if it is determined he is the best person for the job, he'll get it
Pretty simple really
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Player's don't pick the coach and nor should they. :shh
Agree
Mini will go through the process and if it is determined he is the best person for the job, he'll get it
Pretty simple really
I agree but to say players don't have any say nor can't decide , Sydney and Roos would say otherwise
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I agree but to say players don't have any say nor can't decide , Sydney and Roos would say otherwise
With respect you are comparing an apple to a watermelon
The Sydney scenario was very different to way is going on here
There was one thing that influenced up in Sydney that has no impact here and that's needing to make sure they stayed relevant in what was at the time a one team town. They needed to keep fans and sponsors on side. There was a course a massive media push as well.
Despite what the media likes to think theyvwill have zero influence here.
It was fortunate for Sydney that the Roos situation worked. Imagine where they'd be if it hadn't
In the Tigers' situation the players might be asked for feedback but ultimately they will have no say on who gets the gig and nor should they
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I agree but to say players don't have any say nor can't decide , Sydney and Roos would say otherwise
With respect you are comparing an apple to a watermelon
The Sydney scenario was very different to way is going on here
There was one thing that influenced up in Sydney that has no impact here and that's needing to make sure they stayed relevant in what was at the time a one team town. They needed to keep fans and sponsors on side. There was a course a massive media push as well.
Despite what the media likes to think theyvwill have zero influence here.
It was fortunate for Sydney that the Roos situation worked. Imagine where they'd be if it hadn't
In the Tigers' situation the players might be asked for feedback but ultimately they will have no say on who gets the gig and nor should they
I understand what your saying , but my point was the players picked the coach , so it can happen... I'm pretty sure when they interview all prospective coaches they will also interview all the players also.
I don't care who they pick, as long as they pick the right one
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Haha "Hi Maurice, welcome to your interview about the next coach. Who is your pick"
:lol
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:snidegrin :shh
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Haha "Hi Maurice, welcome to your interview about the next coach. Who is your pick"
:lol
Diocletian will coach next year and you'll be assistant.. you both seem to know it all
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Correct - get ready for the good times #tenpeat #250&0 #dynasty :shh
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Lol
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Bloody ordinary for a huge chunk of the game.
Worked into it second half but was nothing special.
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Hopper got us going in that early 3rd quarter blitz. Won about 3 centre clearances in a row IIRC.
25 disposals (9k, 16h, 7c, 18u, 72% eff.)
2 marks
7 tackles
7 clearances (5 centre clearances)
3 inside 50s
217 metres gained
1 intercept
6 score involvements
2 goal assists
76% time on ground.
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Thought he was awesome in the contest
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Rating your club’s 2022 off-season trades and player signings
Jon Ralph gives his early trade grades on who moved clubs.
Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
July 31, 2023
JACOB HOPPER (RICHMOND): B-
It has been a solid rather than spectacular year for Hopper, who hasn’t had a true breakout game and has only three 100-ranking point games averaging 4.6 clearances and 22 possessions (53 per cent kick efficiency).
But Richmond keeps rising up the ladder and the trade turns into pick 10 and 31 (with 53 and 63 back) it looks much better given Richmond at one stage was handing over this year’s top five pick.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/wreck-it-ralph-rating-your-clubs-2022-offseason-trades-and-player-signings/news-story/71ab0a8d71e38a92549dc5458d04e042
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Perfect description Ralphy. I'm not overly convinced he was the right play just to finish 10th. That said to give up as it stands now, combined with academy/father sons and all the rest of the corruptness i would say its a descent deal at present.
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Weak ass pee this bloke.
Same category as Pickett and Graham for me. Done absolutely sfa and I'm sure his numbers aren't certainly elite.
6 more years stuff me.
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Wasn’t he injured tonight , got sub off with concussion
No sure he was worth what we paid for him but that’s a different debate
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We got our 👖 pulled down with this deal :banghead.
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Weak ass pee this bloke.
Same category as Pickett and Graham for me. Done absolutely sfa and I'm sure his numbers aren't certainly elite.
6 more years stuff me.
Pickett isn't weak as pee . Probably our toughest player. Re Pickett, he was playing damn great footy up until these charges that came. He has a lot going on in his mind and the club should have told him to take personal leave until the issues are dealt with. It's bloody obvious it has effected him
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Was playing good footy until they decided he was a forward.
Bloke continues to struggle fwd and still they leave him there.
What to do with him? there are several options
1/ Rest him for the rest of the year as his form does not warrant a game and at age 32 hes one we can leave out to play a kid.
2/ Move him back to a wing and play Ross more as an inside mid. We can do no worse than what we have, in either scenario.
3/ Drop McIntosh as he is just ordinary and play him on McIntosh's wing.
4/ Dont play him and delist at the end of the year.
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Hopper's largest output (2nd most disposals for us) since his return from injury in round 16.
28 disposals (12k, 16h, 6c, 23u, 82.1% eff.)
8 marks
3 tackles
4 clearances
2 inside 50s
325 metres gained
2 intercepts
8 score involvements
1 goal assist
75% time on ground
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He was very good.
Hopefully a sign of what's to come if he stays healthy.
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Was excellent yesterday
Shows what he can do when fit and healthy
Looking forward to his 2024
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Jacob Hopper to Richmond: C
Richmond will hand the Giants pick 7 this year for Hopper, who certainly hasn’t set the world on fire. The 26-year-old has played 15 games, dealt with a few injuries and averaged 21.7 disposals and 4.4 clearances per game.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/24/grading-all-36-afl-trade-and-free-agency-moves-from-2022-one-year/
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Hopper has been a disaster this year no matter how you dress it up. The fact Dow and even banks are playing better football tells you something.
If you want to accept 7 year deals then bloody play like you deserve it.
He better show something in 24, or he will start to cop it from the media, and even fans and rightly so.
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Pick 6 and 31 what a disaster who's going to own that poor list management.
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Should hand his money back. stuffen useless
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stuffin soft as stuff. Goes in when he wants to.
He plays exactly as he did at GWS and despite missing most of last year we still coughed up picks. Dimma the idiot thought he was dusty and would make us dance one last time. :banghead
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Taranto last 10 games have been ordinary let me say that to.
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Hopper has been a disaster this year no matter how you dress it up. The fact Dow and even banks are playing better football tells you something.
If you want to accept 7 year deals then bloody play like you deserve it.
He better show something in 24, or he will start to cop it from the media, and even fans and rightly so.
Funny, I thought he's been copping it on here all season by "fans"
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Hopper has been a disaster this year no matter how you dress it up. The fact Dow and even banks are playing better football tells you something.
If you want to accept 7 year deals then bloody play like you deserve it.
He better show something in 24, or he will start to cop it from the media, and even fans and rightly so.
Funny, I thought he's been copping it on here all season by "fans"
Hopper has been a disaster this year no matter how you dress it up. The fact Dow and even banks are playing better football tells you something.
If you want to accept 7 year deals then bloody play like you deserve it.
He better show something in 24, or he will start to cop it from the media, and even fans and rightly so.
Funny, I thought he's been copping it on here all season by "fans"
which fans? Only a few perhaps.
On here his poor efforts have been largely ignored though when he shows up and shows something, everyone is quick to jump to his defence.
He gives us another year of mediocrity and he will rival any whipping boy we have ever had.
Taranto last 10 games have been ordinary let me say that to.
Agree. His last month has been ordinary, but a great year all round. No complaints from me Georgie. I will say this. The pair of them are not match winners and neither will ever be.
We need top end talent in the middle or we are stuffed.
We must get a top 10 pick in this draft, and not screw it up.
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I’d be ok if he was just useless. But $750k a year to be useless for 7 years is a stuffen disaster
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And Hopper was a free agent this year.
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He can play but yeah, very underwhelming given what we gave up and the ridiculous contract he's on.
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Club won’t do it but I’d be looking to trade him
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I think he needs continuity. Hopefully no injuries and a proper preseason with a unified game plan will see him flourish
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Absolutely Simonator. Dees thought Grundy was their man and he isn't so he will go. We should do the same.
Somehow grab a first rounder for him, and hit the draft with 2 which is the position we should have been in :banghead
No wonder GWS was happy to let him go. They certainly have improved this year since he left.
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Question borrowed from twitter/X:
Mid Jacob Hopper enters his 2nd season with us after an interrupted yr that tbh didn't reach preconceived expectations.
The affable 26 yr old, (on a long term deal) should be playing is best footy & when looking for areas of improvement I'm hoping for more..
Thoughts on Hops? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f4aa.svg) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f42f.svg)
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1722745690408079423
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Question borrowed from twitter/X:
Mid Jacob Hopper enters his 2nd season with us after an interrupted yr that tbh didn't reach preconceived expectations.
The affable 26 yr old, (on a long term deal) should be playing is best footy & when looking for areas of improvement I'm hoping for more..
Thoughts on Hops? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f4aa.svg) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f42f.svg)
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1722745690408079423
one of the worst first seasons ive seen a recruit play in many years.
get fit or trade/dump him at the end of the year along with Lukey boy.
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He’s body is a bit of a concern.
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Absolutely Simonator. Dees thought Grundy was their man and he isn't so he will go. We should do the same.
Somehow grab a first rounder for him, and hit the draft with 2 which is the position we should have been in :banghead
No wonder GWS was happy to let him go. They certainly have improved this year since he left.
the dees had Gawn and a young fella called Jackson. Jackson went west and the dees went with what they thought was the best option.
Back up for Gawn is probably still needed at the Dees.Getting Grundy was always going to be a dilemma. That Dilemma was fitting two good front line ruckmen into the one position.
We grabbed both Taranto and Hopper because we had no big bodied ball winning mids.
The need was huge because we had so few.Two big mids was needed and if we open our eyes we need a few in development as well.
With Hopper the only question was the expense THE NEED IS STILL THE SAME..
Get rid of Hopper and we then have to find another like him because we are so obsesed with runts.
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Agree claw we needed a big mid but lets look at his stats for a so called quality mid. Not great! Someone else could have filled his spot this year, and for cheaper as well.
Yes he missed a few, but he did last year as well. How many full seasons has he played?
One of the biggest dissappoints of the year for me, and a major reason why dimma jumped a sinking ship IMO. He thought he would produce more and delivered sfa.
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Agree claw we needed a big mid but lets look at his stats for a so called quality mid. Not great! Someone else could have filled his spot this year, and for cheaper as well.
Yes he missed a few, but he did last year as well. How many full seasons has he played?
One of the biggest dissappoints of the year for me, and a major reason why dimma jumped a sinking ship IMO. He thought he would produce more and delivered sfa.
I agree we did not need to trade for him we had the opportunity to draft a few big mids ie the 2021 nd.
Like it or not though Frankie We did the deal and over paid but its pointless to now get rid of him we still need some more big mids to develop while he is there..
Its similar with our key forwards we desperately need two kids for development, and not these half forward half ruck but not quite either types we have been so fond of.
Personally i would have been happy if Jack had wanted to go around again.
Even at a slowing aging 34 yrs of age.. Because there is no one anywhere near his level there is no one because there is literally none
We are perpetually hedging our bets and putting our heads in the sand.. Its the same with Hopper.
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Agree claw we needed a big mid but lets look at his stats for a so called quality mid. Not great! Someone else could have filled his spot this year, and for cheaper as well.
Yes he missed a few, but he did last year as well. How many full seasons has he played?
One of the biggest dissappoints of the year for me, and a major reason why dimma jumped a sinking ship IMO. He thought he would produce more and delivered sfa.
I agree we did not need to trade for him we had the opportunity to draft a few big mids ie the 2021 nd.
Like it or not though Frankie We did the deal and over paid but its pointless to now get rid of him we still need some more big mids to develop while he is there..
Its similar with our key forwards we desperately need two kids for development, and not these half forward half ruck but not quite either types we have been so fond of.
Personally i would have been happy if Jack had wanted to go around again.
Even at a slowing aging 34 yrs of age.. Because there is no one anywhere near his level there is no one because there is literally none
We are perpetually hedging our bets and putting our heads in the sand.. Its the same with Hopper.
We only overpaid for hopper because we finished 13th or whatever.
Tbh I think if Lynch hadn't gone down and another sliding door moment or two went our way that would have been pick 10-12 easily and it gets murky down there in the draft.
As for Jack, I doubt many were as sad to see him retire as me, but what's the point playing a 35yo bloke with a stuffed body when you acknowledge we're on the decline? Agree we haven't drafted and KPFs but with a guy like Kosi and then blokes like Bauer, Ryan, Miller all needing an opportunity there's really no point playing Jack anymore unfortunately.
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Agree claw we needed a big mid but lets look at his stats for a so called quality mid. Not great! Someone else could have filled his spot this year, and for cheaper as well.
Yes he missed a few, but he did last year as well. How many full seasons has he played?
One of the biggest dissappoints of the year for me, and a major reason why dimma jumped a sinking ship IMO. He thought he would produce more and delivered sfa.
I agree we did not need to trade for him we had the opportunity to draft a few big mids ie the 2021 nd.
Like it or not though Frankie We did the deal and over paid but its pointless to now get rid of him we still need some more big mids to develop while he is there..
Its similar with our key forwards we desperately need two kids for development, and not these half forward half ruck but not quite either types we have been so fond of.
Personally i would have been happy if Jack had wanted to go around again.
Even at a slowing aging 34 yrs of age.. Because there is no one anywhere near his level there is no one because there is literally none
We are perpetually hedging our bets and putting our heads in the sand.. Its the same with Hopper.
We only overpaid for hopper because we finished 13th or whatever.
Tbh I think if Lynch hadn't gone down and another sliding door moment or two went our way that would have been pick 10-12 easily and it gets murky down there in the draft.
As for Jack, I doubt many were as sad to see him retire as me, but what's the point playing a 35yo bloke with a stuffed body when you acknowledge we're on the decline? Agree we haven't drafted and KPFs but with a guy like Kosi and then blokes like Bauer, Ryan, Miller all needing an opportunity there's really no point playing Jack anymore unfortunately.
Nope we over paid and in the process have basically turned our backs on too many drafts.
It goes back before Hoppers time with us.
We just continue to fail to recognise where the game is going what serious list short comings we have and where the list is at.
If Jack continued on who would he be taking games off? More to the point who is coming thru? who warrants a game.
Since 2017 we have bought into the club just three big ball winning mids that includes trades and all other avenues. You guessed it Taranto, Hopper both Trades and RC-D a bust. Would add Ross but no way in hell can you classify him a big ball winning mid.
In all honesty we have been poor when it comes to recruiting since 2016.
People blame aging players for our decline but its more than that we are back to the bad old days where we just are not getting enough good players into the club.We totally ignore dire list needs.
We were going to go into decline but we have done little to help ourselves and just blame it all on aging players.
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Agree needed a big mid but lets look at his stats for a so called quality mid. Not great! Someone else could have filled his spot this year, and for cheaper as well.
Yes he missed a few, but he did last year as well. How many full seasons has he played?
One of the biggest dissappoints of the year for me, and a major reason why dimma jumped a sinking ship IMO. He thought he would produce more and delivered sfa.
I agree we did not need to trade for him we had the opportunity to draft a few big mids ie the 2021 nd.
Like it or not though Frankie We did the deal and over paid but its pointless to now get rid of him we still need some more big mids to develop while he is there..
Its similar with our key forwards we desperately need two kids for development, and not these half forward half ruck but not quite either types we have been so fond of.
Personally i would have been happy if Jack had wanted to go around again.
Even at a slowing aging 34 yrs of age.. Because there is no one anywhere near his level there is no one because there is literally none
We are perpetually hedging our bets and putting our heads in the sand.. Its the same with Hopper.
We only overpaid for hopper because we finished 13th or whatever.
Tbh I think if Lynch hadn't gone down and another sliding door moment or two went our way that would have been pick 10-12 easily and it gets murky down there in the draft.
As for Jack, I doubt many were as sad to see him retire as me, but what's the point playing a 35yo bloke with a stuffed body when you acknowledge we're on the decline? Agree we haven't drafted and KPFs but with a guy like Kosi and then blokes like Bauer, Ryan, Miller all needing an opportunity there's really no point playing Jack anymore unfortunately.
Nope we over paid and in the process have basically turned our backs on too many drafts.
It goes back before Hoppers time with us.
We just continue to fail to recognise where the game is going what serious list short comings we have and where the list is at.
If Jack continued on who would he be taking games off? More to the point who is coming thru? who warrants a game.
Since 2017 we have bought into the club just three big ball winning mids that includes trades and all other avenues. You guessed it Taranto, Hopper both Trades and RC-D a bust. Would add Ross but no way in hell can you classify him a big ball winning mid.
In all honesty we have been poor when it comes to recruiting since 2016.
People blame aging players for our decline but its more than that we are back to the bad old days where we just are not getting enough good players into the club.We totally ignore dire list needs.
We were going to go into decline but we have done little to help ourselves and just blame it all on aging players.
Claw you lost me since 2016. We won 3 flags from 2017 up to 2021 mate the ultimate success.
The fact is you pay for winning those flags being up the top not getting the high end draft picks. That's not to say we haven't did mistakes not drafting a few more key position player's and trading out a few in decline.l that's our mistake for me.
Yes aging players has alot to do with it we had our era and took it with both hands and we seen this before the cycle ends and you rebuild happened at the Lions, Hawks and now Cats that's no brainer.
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West Coast has offered its future first-round selection while Adelaide has thrown up a swap of first-round picks, but the Giants would also want collateral from the Crows in next year’s draft.
The Eagles’ offer appears the most lucrative, particularly with a suite of elite midfielders at the top of next year’s draft.
If the Eagles finish last again next season and the Curtin trade is completed then the Giants would have turned Jacob Hopper into the No.1 pick at the 2024 draft.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/alastair-clarkson-meets-with-top-draft-prospect-daniel-curtin-in-perth/news-story/45866edd54ca87ac341d46c247b68f2c
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Blair should be fired for this trade. A stuffen disaster
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Agree needed a big mid but lets look at his stats for a so called quality mid. Not great! Someone else could have filled his spot this year, and for cheaper as well.
Yes he missed a few, but he did last year as well. How many full seasons has he played?
One of the biggest dissappoints of the year for me, and a major reason why dimma jumped a sinking ship IMO. He thought he would produce more and delivered sfa.
I agree we did not need to trade for him we had the opportunity to draft a few big mids ie the 2021 nd.
Like it or not though Frankie We did the deal and over paid but its pointless to now get rid of him we still need some more big mids to develop while he is there..
Its similar with our key forwards we desperately need two kids for development, and not these half forward half ruck but not quite either types we have been so fond of.
Personally i would have been happy if Jack had wanted to go around again.
Even at a slowing aging 34 yrs of age.. Because there is no one anywhere near his level there is no one because there is literally none
We are perpetually hedging our bets and putting our heads in the sand.. Its the same with Hopper.
We only overpaid for hopper because we finished 13th or whatever.
Tbh I think if Lynch hadn't gone down and another sliding door moment or two went our way that would have been pick 10-12 easily and it gets murky down there in the draft.
As for Jack, I doubt many were as sad to see him retire as me, but what's the point playing a 35yo bloke with a stuffed body when you acknowledge we're on the decline? Agree we haven't drafted and KPFs but with a guy like Kosi and then blokes like Bauer, Ryan, Miller all needing an opportunity there's really no point playing Jack anymore unfortunately.
Nope we over paid and in the process have basically turned our backs on too many drafts.
It goes back before Hoppers time with us.
We just continue to fail to recognise where the game is going what serious list short comings we have and where the list is at.
If Jack continued on who would he be taking games off? More to the point who is coming thru? who warrants a game.
Since 2017 we have bought into the club just three big ball winning mids that includes trades and all other avenues. You guessed it Taranto, Hopper both Trades and RC-D a bust. Would add Ross but no way in hell can you classify him a big ball winning mid.
In all honesty we have been poor when it comes to recruiting since 2016.
People blame aging players for our decline but its more than that we are back to the bad old days where we just are not getting enough good players into the club.We totally ignore dire list needs.
We were going to go into decline but we have done little to help ourselves and just blame it all on aging players.
Claw you lost me since 2016. We won 3 flags from 2017 up to 2021 mate the ultimate success.
The fact is you pay for winning those flags being up the top not getting the high end draft picks. That's not to say we haven't did mistakes not drafting a few more key position player's and trading out a few in decline.l that's our mistake for me.
Yes aging players has alot to do with it we had our era and took it with both hands and we seen this before the cycle ends and you rebuild happened at the Lions, Hawks and now Cats that's no brainer.
I deliberately went from 2016 because the vast majority of premiership players were . there .What have we added to them and the answer smacks you in the face very little.
So what have we added to the list since the success began. Yes we have had later picks because of the success but just have a look at the overall recruiting it has been abysmal.
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HOPPER PRIMED TO TAKE NEXT STEP AS A TIGER AFTER STUTTERING FINISH TO 2023
By Seb Mottram
SEN
10 February 2024
Jacob Hopper is set for plenty of improvement in his second year as a Tiger.
That’s the word from the midfield recruit himself, who suggested his body is in far better shape than 12 months ago.
Hopper, who turned 27 on Tuesday, played 16 games after joining the Tigers from GWS on a seven-year deal.
But he didn’t play from Round 9 until Round 16 with a calf strain, with his form in the back half of the season mirroring that of his club as Richmond fell out of finals contention.
Billed as a key recruit alongside Tim Taranto – who claimed Richmond’s best and fairest in his first season as a Tiger – Hopper is hopeful he’ll be able to put his best foot forward in 2024.
“It was an interesting year. Obviously interrupted with some issues with my body which was disappointing, but I loved my first year at the Tigers,” Hopper told SEN Top End on his 2023 season.
“We didn’t have the on-field success that we were all striving for… I feel like my body is in a much better position this year, I’m feeling really good, and I’ve got a lot more work under my belt.
“And just naturally you feel more comfortable spending more time and feeling closer with the group… we’re feeling really ready to go for games this year.”
Hopper’s talent is seen through his 2021 Brownlow Medal performance when the tough on-baller gathered 15 votes in a stacked GWS midfield.
And while the Tigers aren’t tipped for much in 2024, Hopper’s resurgence could similarly resemble that of Adem Yze’s men.
CEO Brendon Gale has acknowledged the lowly expectations on his side by saying “I think we can surprise a few”, and Hopper has an alike belief.
Yze came from Melbourne to replace Damien Hardwick and while he’s got big shoes to fill, Hopper says the 46-year-old has certainly made a strong start.
“His ability to connect the group, not only to himself but with each other has been really recognizable, I’ve really felt that from the moment he stepped through the door,” he said.
“He’s just a great bloke, great character and more of the footy stuff, he’s super aggressive, invites us to play footy and play freely.
“I think we’re still figuring it all out but at the minute it feels really good, it feels like we’re going to play some good footy and we’re looking forward to the chance.”
The Tigers have a difficult start to the 2024 season, facing Gold Coast, Carlton, Port Adelaide, Sydney and St Kilda all before Round 5.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/10/hopper-primed-to-take-next-step-as-a-tiger-after-stuttering-finish-to-2023/
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Jacob Hopper on Fridays In The Top End (9/2/24)
Richmond's Jacob Hopper joined Jackson Clark for a chat about pre-season training and the Darwin Community Camp.
LISTEN HERE: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4F2dSyDjHNm8hj3lCZRI0P
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From the HeraldSun:
The 27-year-old former Giant, who arrived at Punt Road last season on a mega contract until the end of 2029, said his body was in “much better nick” after repeat injuries kept him to 16 games in 2023.
“I’m feeling really good. There was a bit going on (with injuries last year), but I suppose it’s part of footy and sometimes you just have to deal with that and manage that as best you can,” Hopper said.
“Everyone’s on top of it, everyone’s got a better understanding of my body now being a year in, so we’re all feeling good about the year coming.”
A quirk of Hopper’s move from GWS to Richmond is that after the Opening Round clash against Gold Coast he will have played for five different senior coaches in just 24 games.
He said he was still excited by the different atmosphere brought by a change in coach, as he backed Adem Yze’s initiative to paint over an internal wall with images from the Tigers’ three premierships under Damien Hardwick.
“New faces, new philosophies, different messaging, different ways of doing things … it just creates natural change and an excitement, especially for guys who have known one way for so long,” Hopper said.
“To create that natural sort of change and new voice has got the whole group really bought in and excited about the year ahead and the footy that we’re going to play.
“I mean the (premiership references) are not down everywhere, because we definitely want to respect this great club that we play for and the success that they’ve had, but no doubt it’s such a new group.
“There’s so many new faces, so it’s about making it our own … the group we have now is what we are, and who we are is the Richmond Football Club.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2024-jacob-hopper-says-thomson-dow-will-lift-richmond-midfield/news-story/14637953f418fd30018e600cb938b6d0).
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Not sure why the angst with Hopper
Being at the game I thought hecwas one of better players by hand and in the decision making stakes. Will be interested to see how it shows on the replay
But he like Taranto, Dow and Baker had more handballs than kicks which was the our issue all night
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Yeah nah he was arse.... :shh
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:facepalm
Not sure why the angst with Hopper
Being at the game I thought hecwas one of better players by hand and in the decision making stakes. Will be interested to see how it shows on the replay
But he like Taranto, Dow and Baker had more handballs than kicks which was the our issue all night
Agree
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Not sure why the angst with Hopper
Being at the game I thought hecwas one of better players by hand and in the decision making stakes. Will be interested to see how it shows on the replay
But he like Taranto, Dow and Baker had more handballs than kicks which was the our issue all night
Agree
The angst is because people blame him for the fact we gave up a future first for him which ended up being a good pick and handed him a 7 year contract on good coin like that was his decision to make.
His first season was poor both injury/form wise, so he has to own that, but people have defs turned on his already regardless of how he goes moving forward.
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:facepalm
Not sure why the angst with Hopper
Being at the game I thought hecwas one of better players by hand and in the decision making stakes. Will be interested to see how it shows on the replay
But he like Taranto, Dow and Baker had more handballs than kicks which was the our issue all night
Biggest problem for me with him him when you add him to the three you mention and add the likes of Prestia, Ross Graham the lack of pace is, well horrendous. they hand ball so much because they lack breakaway speed or an ability to buy time.
At some stage we will have to add leg speed and kicking ability into the team. We need to stop playing old slow players in positions other younger players are better suited to.
Just an opinion but atm for round freakin 0 ah stuff it im gunna call it round 1 then Grimes, Prestia, Ross, Nankervis inj, Ryan, McIntosh Graham and Pickett should not be picked and Hopper is also borderline.
Atm i would rather we play McAuliffe in front of Hopper, Ross Graham and Hopper.
Keep saying it Brown to HB and move Rioli to a wing. Play Banks on the other wing keep Balta in defense when Lynch returns, and play Gibcus instead of Grimes when Balta goes back.
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Sonsie and Bolton rotating midfield forward. Dont play two ruckmen but get games into a very good mover in Bauer as the third tall alongside Koschitzke and Lynch when he returns. Then play three or so of the genuine pacey goal kicking fwd options we have in Campbell, Clarke, Cumberland Bolton instead of slow plodding mids who we look to find spots to give a game to them.
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Graham won't be playing round 1
Out for 3-5 weeks
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Hopper has underwhelmed since the day he was drafted with the exception of 1 year if i recall. I never rated him because i think other players can deliver a similar result.
Did the club just hand him a 7 year deal or did he request it :shh You demand that kind of coin then deliver. I expect him to deliver more than dow but from what i have seen id say they are similar players always looking for the handball as they are extremely slow.
our midfield will be smashed again just like in previous year. Best we can hope for is a few draft picks to accelerate our climb again.
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Hop to it: Tiger eager to put frustrating year behind him
Tigers midfielder Jacob Hopper is ready to put a difficult first season at the club behind him
By Josh Gabelich
afl.com.au
9 March 2024
LAST year wasn't what Jacob Hopper envisaged when he moved to Punt Road. First it was another knee issue. Then it was a calf strain, followed by the concussion on the Friday night stage. Not much went right amid a changing of the guard at Richmond.
The plan was to make an instant impact, especially after moving from Greater Western Sydney in a deal that cost the Tigers a future first-round pick. Tim Taranto was able to do that, winning the Jack Dyer Medal after also moving from the Giants, but Hopper was forced to deal with persistent injury headaches for the second straight year.
Hopper ended up playing 16 games in 2023 but was sidelined on three different occasions, carrying a lingering Achilles injury across the winter, which prevented him from training much between games. Recover, play, repeat.
It has been more than two years since Hopper established himself as a star midfielder when he was named in the 2021 All-Australian squad and finished third in the Kevin Sheedy Medal, before managing only seven appearances in 2022 due to multiple knee operations.
But now ahead of his second season at the Swinburne Centre, the 27-year-old has banked a six-month block since the end of last season that should lay the foundations for Hopper to return to his best across the next six months.
"Last year was incredibly frustrating, especially when you move clubs. All your intents and purposes are trying to make it as great as it could possibly be. There were some real frustrations with the body. To come off a year of not really playing much [in 2022] and then launching into the work created some different issues as well," Hopper told AFL.com.au at the Swinburne Centre this week.
"I had a lot of tendinitis issues with my Achilles, which was a nightmare, such a pain in the arse to manage. You can't do the work you want and you are always thinking of it. It was what it was. Then the calf strain was a pretty significant one. I think part of it was with missing so much footy the year before and naturally you lose some conditioning.
"Part of the challenge when you come to a big club and everyone expects so much is the noise can be pretty noisy. As hard as it can be sometimes, you just have to trust what's inside the building.
"It has felt refreshing and nice to have a good off-season – I think good off-seasons can really set you up for good pre-seasons and then good pre-seasons obviously set you up for good seasons – so it was good to come in for pre-season and feel like I had a lot of work under my belt and be able to do a lot more this pre-season."
Hopper left for Queenstown straight after the best and fairest with his partner, Liv Pellegrino, and then travelled from New Zealand to the United States with former teammates Josh Kelly and Adam Kennedy, stopping in Los Angeles, Austin and New York.
Under the direction of Richmond's physical performance manager Luke Meehan, veteran physiotherapist Andrew Schache and rehab coordinator Marcus Krygger, Hopper has dotted his i's and crossed his t's to bulletproof his body ahead of a 2024 campaign that starts on the Gold Coast on Saturday.
Part of his spring and summer program involved Pilates classes at a Brighton studio, where Richmond great Trent Cotchin is a director.
"I think it is important to find new things. Pilates is something that I've got really into. To be able to go in there and really sweat as well, because it's in the heat, that was good to go and do some of that finer work that can be mundane and boring," Hopper said.
"I've done a lot of treatment and really focused on the gym. I think I know I'm going to get to work out here in the more obvious footy places, but I think in those spaces like the gym or the Pilates room.
"I've worked really closely with the high performance guys at the club that have put together a program that will hold me in the best stead. I committed to that process from the moment last season finished to make sure I've been on top of my body so I could hit the ground running at the start of pre-season. to see how much those guys care as well, is special."
For Hopper, this year isn't about proving anything to anyone other than himself. Making a big-money, long-term move was always going to attract forensic examination. Just ask Taranto. Even he copped more than his fair share, despite producing a career-best season that resulted in 19 Brownlow votes.
"I don't have a point to prove to anyone else, it's more to myself; I want to contribute in ways that I know I can. Regardless of what anyone else thinks or says, I want to be part of something special here. I feel like I can," he said.
"At the end of the day you want to let your footy do the talking, but I feel really good and feel like I'm well and truly ahead of where I was at this time last year, which creates its own confidence. No doubt there is still that element of wanting to prove it to yourself and to everyone else.
"I feel genuinely excited to start the season and play the footy I know I can play personally and as a group as well. As a group, we certainty didn't have the year we anticipated. The feeling around the group is different, but it does feel like we are ready for it. We are ready."
Hopper left Greater Western Sydney after it finished 16th and went from Leon Cameron to Mark McVeigh, before eventually hiring Adam Kingsley. He thought he was arriving to play under Damien Hardwick for most, if not all, of his contract. But that changed in May.
The Riverina region product, who boarded at St Patrick's College Ballarat, doesn't waste time dwelling on the past. He has built a strong connection with new senior coach Adem Yze across the pre-season and is confident in the direction of the club.
"He is the sort of guy who you meet him for the first time and you feel like you've known him for ages. He is quite personable, connects on a really deep level and you feel that on a daily basis, just because he is so approachable," he said.
"I've really enjoyed just knowing that he is my coach and is going to be my coach going forward. It is something I haven't been able to tap into for the last couple of years because of so much change, so much movement.
"To be like this is my guy for the next whatever [period of time], I'm loving that relationship and being able to lean in. He allows for it to be collaborative out there, which feels so natural and organic."
After two years of injuries, Hopper is ready to get back to work this weekend, after getting the work done this summer.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1082722/hop-to-it-richmond-tiger-jacob-hopper-eager-to-put-frustrating-year-behind-him
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rubbish, you have a point to prove to the club and supporters to get your body right as so far in your career you have failed to do that.
You took the cash now show us that you can deliver like your mate TT has so far.
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absolute waste of a pick and dollars was this bloke.
where would we be without him? I know. the same stuffin place
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If he turns in another year like last year we should just bite the bullet like the Toffs did with Grundy....otherwise he and & old Peg Leg Prestia will just be taking games off the likes of Sonsie & McAullife and whatever hopefully young gun mid we draft for next year...... :shh
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HOPPER is the least of our problems, and played a lot better than many others
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gws must have laughed at us when we wanted him.
they only had eyes for greene and were very happy to let him go :shh
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Like clockwork, negative posts about hopper with the major gripe against him being a decision the club made to get him.
Our best mid today, which isn’t saying much, but you’d think if your criticising performances thered be atleast 15 other threads you’d go to first. :whistle
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Like clockwork, negative posts about hopper with the major gripe against him being a decision the club made to get him.
Our best mid today, which isn’t saying much, but you’d think if your criticising performances thered be atleast 15 other threads you’d go to first. :whistle
This☝️
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Outside of the goals he kicked I thought he was seriously ordinary. Not his fault but we are too bloody slow in the midfield
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Yeah but some blokes were even worse so it's ok.... :shh
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He’s not our biggest problem and it’s not his fault we gave up too much to bring him to our club.
These things aside he has still underperformed. It’s a bad combo
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did the club sign the contract themself did they? no they didnt. There were 2 parties and one better be performing better than that rubbish.
scored 2 goals but gave one to them due to his stupidity in the first half
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Ah yes, I’m sure everyone just turns down long term contracts with good remuneration that gets offered to them. That’s definitely how people generally approach job offers
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Out of our 3 senior mids he was the best.
Was he great, outstanding? No but we can say that for all but a handful.
His 2nd half was a helluva lot better than his 1st.
I'd take his game over Prestia's, Taranto's and Dow's easily
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If kind id say servicable..
We talk about pace and polish going into the midfield can anyone tell me who.
Prestia Dow Taranto Hopper Ross, Baker, even Dusty none are super quick of them Dusty can be explosive and uses the ball real well..
As far as i can see we have one genuine mid who is quick in Bolton then we are struggling.
we can improve outside mid roles with personell at the club but genuine ball winning mids with genuine pace well we are hamstrung.
Still believe Rioli Dusty and one of Banks or Trezise on the other wing and ONBALL with Taranto Bolton and one of Nankervis or Naismith.
Have potential mids who are mostly fwds atm play high fwd in Sonsie and Campbell.Play a genuine goalkicker in Cumberland
At least get some run footskills and pace into the team where we can.
Based on injury and last weeks game.
Vlastuin - Young - Gibcus
Banks - Balta - Brown
Trezise - Taranto - D Rioli
Nankervis - Martin/McAuliffe - Bolton
MRJ - Koschitzke - Campbell
Cumberland - Lynch - Martin/Naismith
Hopper - Broad - Ross - Baker - Lefau.
MRJ and Ross because they were better than others last week.
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Ah yes, I’m sure everyone just turns down long term contracts with good remuneration that gets offered to them. That’s definitely how people generally approach job offers
dusty, de goey and many others say hello :shh
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Ah yes, I’m sure everyone just turns down long term contracts with good remuneration that gets offered to them. That’s definitely how people generally approach job offers
dusty, de goey and many others say hello :shh
Dusty was signed for a fortune. And although he was offered more by north, he made a financially beneficial decision. From a marketing perspective, he pulls in a truckload more at Richmond than he would have at North. To indicate Dusty turned down a long term contract with good remuneration isn't accurate.
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Ah yes, I’m sure everyone just turns down long term contracts with good remuneration that gets offered to them. That’s definitely how people generally approach job offers
dusty, de goey and many others say hello :shh
Dusty was signed for a fortune. And although he was offered more by north, he made a financially beneficial decision. From a marketing perspective, he pulls in a truckload more at Richmond than he would have at North. To indicate Dusty turned down a long term contract with good remuneration isn't accurate.
Also on the eve of a GF appearance basically.
Norf looking dog poo as always.
Wouldn't have left for a few million more over 7 years when he could get filthy rich and cover himself in glory while at it.
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Football is a game of two halves son....be nice if you could try and turn up for both of them... :shh
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Football is a game of two halves son....be nice if you could try and turn up for both of them... :shh
Agreed. Killed Cripps in first half and was then murdered in h2
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Game plan changed completely after half time. Down a mid also. Can't really blame him. Taranto first half was quiet but his second was much better.
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Maybe we needed a different sub.
Losing 2 KPDs and a mid is rough when Mansell can't really do either role.
Our blokes looked very cooked but gutsy nearing 3qt and it's no surprise cripps got on top
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Bloody hard job predicting injuries , unless it's Prestia !!!
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the bloke is made of paper mache.
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Maybe we needed a different sub.
Losing 2 KPDs and a mid is rough when Mansell can't really do either role.
Our blokes looked very cooked but gutsy nearing 3qt and it's no surprise cripps got on top
And it was a 5 day break
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Any idea on how long he will be sidelined. Same for Young. Anyone.
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Any idea on how long he will be sidelined. Same for Young. Anyone.
Young will just be this week for concussion protocols.
As for Hops we are getting the usual Meehan mushroom treatment - fed crap and kept in the dark.
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Any idea on how long he will be sidelined. Same for Young. Anyone.
Young will just be this week for concussion protocols.
As for Hops we are getting the usual Meehan mushroom treatment - fed crap and kept in the dark.
Ummm... Hopper pulled up sore at training during the week. At the main session hasn't settled and low and behold instead of playing him they're being cautious. Will be having scans
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Any idea on how long he will be sidelined. Same for Young. Anyone.
Young will just be this week for concussion protocols.
As for Hops we are getting the usual Meehan mushroom treatment - fed crap and kept in the dark.
Ummm... Hopper pulled up sore at training during the week. At the main session hasn't settled and low and behold instead of playing him they're being cautious. Will be having scans
Thanks WP. looks like Hopper is going to miss a few then. Bring on McAuliffe.
If Miller can play well as a kpd at last and Young gets back then maybe we can release Balta fwd without having to worry too much.
Still think there is a real lack of tall quality back there with out Noah.
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First-year coach Adem Yze said ... that Hopper’s injured knee was likely to undergo a procedure on Monday, and he might miss multiple weeks.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-live-updates-western-bulldogs-v-gold-coast-suns-richmond-tigers-v-port-adelaide-power-20240324-p5fesm.html)
Hopper is set for knee surgery on Monday and at least a fortnight on the sidelines.
"'Hop' is going to go in tomorrow for a look inside his knee," Yze said.
"He might be out for two weeks. He might have a bit of a cleanout.
"He could have tried to push his way through it, but he is too important. He needs to be able to train and get on top of that. But we are thinking a couple of weeks."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1093357/port-needed-to-win-for-boak-hinkley-says).
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Clean out already. How does this even happen?
Wonder if people still think it was a good pick up?
Doesn't play and we played a descent game with all things considered. When he does play we produce a similar standard. Said this many times having him was a complete waste of time results wise.
We would be lucky to get pick 20.
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Taranto on his own was overs when you consider GWS were looking to offload players and clear space but it wasn't a disaster, adding this bloke and effectively doubling down has turned it into the Pitura trade 2.0..... :shh
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I get that they wanted to have another crack at a flag and recruiting the two seemed like a really good move at the time. Now that there isn’t a soul who thinks we can win the flag any time soon, their long term deals look really really bad. What are they helping us do now, stay mediocre ? We NEED to bottom out to get the top talent in. Sydney haven’t bottomed out but they get gifted players through the academy and Geelong is the other example but I think their recent flag was a true fluke partnered with exceptional recruiting in Danger, Cameron, Tom Stewart
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I’ve defended hopper because he seems to be getting the blame for the draft picks we gave up and the length and $$$ contract we offered.
I am wondering whether the club did their proper due diligence though and put him through a proper medical examination. He was coming off a major knee injury which saw him miss 2/3rds of his last season with the giants, and so far has now missed 8 games (subbed out of 2 others) with knee related issues.
Like FJ is saying, how could anyone require a ‘clean-out’ 2 games into a season.
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I’ve defended hopper because he seems to be getting the blame for the draft picks we gave up and the length and $$$ contract we offered.
I am wondering whether the club did their proper due diligence though and put him through a proper medical examination. He was coming off a major knee injury which saw him miss 2/3rds of his last season with the giants, and so far has now missed 8 games (subbed out of 2 others) with knee related issues.
Like FJ is saying, how could anyone require a ‘clean-out’ 2 games into a season.
I'd bet $50 they knew he had a torn meniscus or similar and decided to see how he went, then it flared up and they opted for surgery.
Probably why he faded 2nd half when it got too swollen and sore.
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Pathetic our fitness and conditioning staff amateur like. Played 2 games and his in for a clean up lol. Why wasn't this this done in preseason surely they knew bunch of clowns.
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Confirmed hammy.
Stayed out there to man the mark just after he did it by the member's boundary but then took the next centrebounce rather than going off.
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Confirmed hammy.
Stayed out there to man the mark just after he did it by the member's boundary but then took the next centrebounce rather than going off.
Had to be a hammy
Staying out there was selfish stupidity
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I’ve never seen anything like this tbh. These injuries are just constant, every single game.
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Looked like a knee.
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Question has to be asked? Did he come back too early?
These players who get consistently injured should be coming back through the vfl.
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Can we have our draft picks back?
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I wonder how long he will be out.
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On one leg Hopper is a very descriptive name
How can our rehab staff clear him to play??
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Yeah well what more do you want to say about this guy and this clubs thought process on this?
Have we woken up yet?
Standards have fallen into a heap of poo. First to select such a dud, and second for the dud himself to be so selfish to come back on, and prove to everyone he will always be an injury prone b grader.
What a massive stuff up.
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It's a shame, he was having a good game before that
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy reckons Hopper will miss 4-5 weeks.
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#meehanmustgo :shh
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Yeah well what more do you want to say about this guy and this clubs thought process on this?
Have we woken up yet?
Standards have fallen into a heap of poo. First to select such a dud, and second for the dud himself to be so selfish to come back on, and prove to everyone he will always be an injury prone b grader.
What a massive stuff up.
Bit rough. He was playing very well before he went down.
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Yeah well what more do you want to say about this guy and this clubs thought process on this?
Have we woken up yet?
Standards have fallen into a heap of poo. First to select such a dud, and second for the dud himself to be so selfish to come back on, and prove to everyone he will always be an injury prone b grader.
What a massive stuff up.
Bit rough. He was playing very well before he went down.
stuff him. He took on the 750k and with that comes scrutiny.
I blame the club more though allowing dimma to do that.
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Not his fault, but he must take the year off and get his body right. After that must accept a renegotiated contract
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Not his fault, but he must take the year off and get his body right. After that must accept a renegotiated contract
LMAO
No, he "must" not have to renegotiate anything. Club signed him to a deal and he can remain on that deal as long as he likes
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To be fair - when he’s been on the park this year , hes been in our best .
Problem is - he’s just as injury prone as Prestia . The return on investment has been really poor so far .
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To be fair - when he’s been on the park this year , hes been in our best .
Problem is - he’s just as injury prone as Prestia . The return on investment has been really poor so far .
I agree 100% with this
Those labelling him a dud etc, aren’t correct
He just needs a decent run at it, the question is whether that will happen
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He’s clearly a good player.
750k isn’t even a big salary these days, not sure what all the fuss is about there.
The bigger issue is the picks we gave up for someone who seems to get injured atleast once a month.
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He is playing like he was worth $500k not 750k. We should offload him to hit up a FA that is actually half descent. You cant have someone sitting on the sidelines all the time.
This isn't just now though most of his whole career, with the exception of 1 or 2 years which were very good. He has been not consistent his whole career, and likely really poor at managing his body. Case in point was going back on the field that proved nothing, which was part his fault, and part the amateur hour that exists in our footy department these days.
Even meatball produced the same type of year last year than hopper despite being banged up and pretty much cooked.
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Disagree with that FJ.
In his limited time on the park he’s been good and better than Meatball has been for a while. .
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Disagree with that FJ.
In his limited time on the park he’s been good and better than Meatball has been for a while. .
Fair enough, that is your opinion and i have mine. While stats dont tell the story i think they do here.
Meatball and Hopper shared similar stats last year and many on here would have said meatball was cooked last year so what does that tell us.
Hopper has had many excuses his whole career so far, which is why gws pretended they cared when he was let go.
IMO he would fit in well at the Cattery. They seem to get people fit and firing into their 30's and dont have anyone near their establishment called Luke. :shh
Shame he didnt choose them tbh.
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i seen Hopper on the news telling the reporter he was in denial and angry. If this is what he does in full view of the camera, then how unprofessional or in denial is here off the ground?
Show some professionalism ffs.
I will say this as well. If it was Jack Graham, Cumberland or basically anyone what would everything think of that play?
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What an absolute massive reach.
You’re creating stories just to suit your narrative.
I’ve never seen a single person question his professionalism at the giants, tigers or in the afl.
Take your anger out on the club who made the trade and offered him the contract.
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Scans have confirmed that Richmond midfielder Jacob Hopper suffered a mild hamstring strain in Wednesday night’s Anzac Day Eve clash against Melbourne.
The midfielder is expected to be unavailable for selection for the next two to three weeks due to the injury.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1538095/hopper-injury-update
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What an absolute massive reach.
You’re creating stories just to suit your narrative.
I’ve never seen a single person question his professionalism at the giants, tigers or in the afl.
Take your anger out on the club who made the trade and offered him the contract.
You accept the job offer, and with that comes scrutiny.
U must be unemployed if you take that point of view in the real world. I never have spared the club from criticism for making that trade either. Wake up.
Countless injuries and u would think someone with half a brain doesn't stay on the ground after getting injured again.
As I have said in the past the standards have dropped when you have blokes carrying on like that.
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You’ve taken the absolute most negative standpoint that you could possibly take on the matter.
On the flip side could it not be interpreted as a player absolutely fed up with his body letting him down and wanting to (albeit naively) try to stay on do the things he’s paid for? Didn’t Tom lynch do something very similar when he did his hammy? Didn’t see you question his professionalism then.
Like I said it’s one thing to criticise his performance when he plays but your constant endless pile up on him which stems from the club making a trade and offering a contract you don’t agree with is tiresome.