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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 17, 2023, 04:05:40 PM
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Forgot to post this last night.
Dimma said we got through unscathed.
So, fire away with your changes, if any?
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Hmm reckon Baker was ordinary almost invisible for big chunks. Balta underwhelming. Broad was fumbly and poor.
McIntosh meh,Short had a good start but totally disappeared Mansell not great Miller quiet.
A game we squandered 2 points and i reckon a lot of it began at selection.
Changes Tarrant if fit, Ryan by reports went well in the two,s again. Cumberland simply because he is one of our BEST sml/med forwards.
Sonsie to bring what Hardwick himself described a lack of Polish.
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Out: Mansell, Ross, Balta/Miller
In: Cumberland, Sonsie (sub), Ryan
Balta and Miller are rubbish as forwards really, so I agree with bringing in Ryan as a genuine forward/ruck option. One of Balta or Miller miss to accommodate him. Jack is playing 95% TOG as a stand and deliver forward and he's just not that guy anymore. Needs a chop out. Happy to go in with a backline of Grimes, Broad, Vlastuin and Balta/Miller until Tarrant and Gibcus return. A couple of those guys play tall.
There's going to be competition for spots this year because Gibcus, Sonsie, Cumberland, and Ryan need to be coming into this side at the expense of others. Maybe McIntosh because of his skills. Whatever the solution, we need to get them in.
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Out: Mansell
In: Cumberland
I guess Ross can stay as the sub, can’t prove much in 1 qtr of footy. Still think the role is suited more to someone like a Hugo or a clarke type. Also don’t think it’ll be good for players to have stretches of games as subs with minimal game time and miss out on playing a full games in the 2s.
Think Miller was fine, would prob leave him in as I still like his flexibility to help out down back but if they wanna swap him for Ryan I wouldn’t complain either.
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
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Cumberland
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This ^
I would give Cumberland strict instructions about his need to be defensively minded first and an offensive target second. Then I'd wind him up and let him loose. Cumberland has always played better at AFL level. He never really shone at VFL level. We all know what he can do in our forwardline so give him a chance to prove he's up to it and for f* sake, stop flooding the forwardline with resting midfielders so our forwards have so space to create goals in!
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There’s no way you reward mediocre performance in the VFL
If Cumberland was poor I don’t think he should be rewarded. I didn’t see the VFL so I don’t know how he played but I trust our selection committee.
We were very scrappy and as Dimma said we lacked polish but we controlled territory and dominated forward of centre. Our execution was very poor inside 50 though.
We have enough people in there that know how to kick goals.
Once we clean this up we should be right and Dusty will be either setting them up or kicking them himself.
I would only bring in Tarrant if he is available.
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The 2022 forwardline was the most functional and multi-faceted in the league at Tigerland. We could move players around, up the ground to isolate players, high to act as link players, deep to screen for each other. Last night's game unveiled a crowded forward fifty that was far from balanced or functional.
We certainly locked the ball in but then had no room to find the goals. For me, its about forcing teams to turn the ball over higher up the ground. That means defences are caught off guard and there is space for them to run back towards the goal. Forward pressure is more about forcing defenders to rush their kicks so we can mark the ball and turn it over around half way.
So, while we look strong on paper, our forwardline is far from balanced or functional at the moment. Maybe time will change my mind but atm Cumberland has half a season's worth of AFL quality form to warrant a return back to the team. Mansell has one average game.
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This ^
I would give Cumberland strict instructions about his need to be defensively minded first and an offensive target second. Then I'd wind him up and let him loose. Cumberland has always played better at AFL level. He never really shone at VFL level. We all know what he can do in our forwardline so give him a chance to prove he's up to it and for f* sake, stop flooding the forwardline with resting midfielders so our forwards have so space to create goals in!
Yep.
Don't care for his VFL performance.
Bloke has stood up and singlehandedly saved us games (Brisbane last year) off his own boot.
Wtf has Mansell done to take his spot? Trained well in the off season. Give me a break!
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The 2022 forwardline was the most functional and multi-faceted in the league at Tigerland. We could move players around, up the ground to isolate players, high to act as link players, deep to screen for each other. Last night's game unveiled a crowded forward fifty that was far from balanced or functional.
We certainly locked the ball in but then had no room to find the goals. For me, its about forcing teams to turn the ball over higher up the ground. That means defences are caught off guard and there is space for them to run back towards the goal. Forward pressure is more about forcing defenders to rush their kicks so we can mark the ball and turn it over around half way.
So, while we look strong on paper, our forwardline is far from balanced or functional at the moment. Maybe time will change my mind but atm Cumberland has half a season's worth of AFL quality form to warrant a return back to the team. Mansell has one average game.
It may not have been very functional last night but there is a hell of a lot to work with. Our defensive structure had the cheats second guessing how to get it out of our forward half.
We were clearly better in the third quarter and we kicked 5 goals 4 we had 20 inside 50’s to 6. That’s domination.
I’m not saying we played great and other than Rioli our skill were embarrassingly woeful but our defensive structure held up and we created turnover and the game was played on our terms.
We need to improve in a lot of areas mostly our key backs. I don’t think our forward line is going to be an issue especially once we clean up our entries.
We clean up our entries and skill level and we win by 40 points.
I’m not saying mansell is the answer either but Saad was well below his normal output.
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The 2022 forwardline was the most functional and multi-faceted in the league at Tigerland. We could move players around, up the ground to isolate players, high to act as link players, deep to screen for each other. Last night's game unveiled a crowded forward fifty that was far from balanced or functional.
We certainly locked the ball in but then had no room to find the goals. For me, its about forcing teams to turn the ball over higher up the ground. That means defences are caught off guard and there is space for them to run back towards the goal. Forward pressure is more about forcing defenders to rush their kicks so we can mark the ball and turn it over around half way.
So, while we look strong on paper, our forwardline is far from balanced or functional at the moment. Maybe time will change my mind but atm Cumberland has half a season's worth of AFL quality form to warrant a return back to the team. Mansell has one average game.
We were also pee easy to score against last year, partly due to lack of forward pressure.
It’s a balancing act.
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I like Cumberland in the side as he is a natural forward who doesn’t miss his opportunities .A Bit like Brust
I think Dimma thinks he needs to learn to become a run down , hard running link player on top of kicking goals and for those who saw the 2’s would you agree thats what he was seemed to be working on .
If he can add that side to his game he will be a star.
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We always lose to Adelaide early I'm the season.
Cumberland for Mansell
Ross for Sonsie. Cotchin or McIntosh the sub.
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I think we need more pace in the side.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Clarke or Ralph-Smith at some stage
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I think we need more pace in the side.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Clarke or Ralph-Smith at some stage
Agreed.
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
Watch is what I do and did that's how I ascertained he was very ordinary in his performance Thursday. You need team balance as you can't have too many who don't run defensively- it's worked well enough for 3 flags since 2017 :shh
The practice match against the Dees a few weeks ago, Jack was trying to direct him all game, both positioning and set ups. It was compelling viewing as Jack was getting somewhat frustrated at the continued bad positioning by Noah. I think he needs to study the game plan :shh
Again, at the game Mansell played his role as requested. This is not to say he can't be replaced, it's saying he played his role as a team player.
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OUTS: Mansell, Ross (sub)
INS: Clarke, Dow (sub)
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
Watch is what I do and did that's how I ascertained he was very ordinary in his performance Thursday. You need team balance as you can't have too many who don't run defensively- it's worked well enough for 3 flags since 2017 :shh
The practice match against the Dees a few weeks ago, Jack was trying to direct him all game, both positioning and set ups. It was compelling viewing as Jack was getting somewhat frustrated at the continued bad positioning by Noah. I think he needs to study the game plan :shh
Again, at the game Mansell played his role as requested. This is not to say he can't be replaced, it's saying he played his role as a team player.
You make me laugh
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Crows looking really good so far today. Giants not so great but we certainly have our work cut out for us next week
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Crows looking really good so far today. Giants not so great but we certainly have our work cut out for us next week
This post aged well 😂😂
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Crows looking really good so far today. Giants not so great but we certainly have our work cut out for us next week
This post aged well 😂😂
Admittedly the crows did have 30 scoring shots.
We will need to pull a finger out or they will beat us comfortably.
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
Watch is what I do and did that's how I ascertained he was very ordinary in his performance Thursday. You need team balance as you can't have too many who don't run defensively- it's worked well enough for 3 flags since 2017 :shh
The practice match against the Dees a few weeks ago, Jack was trying to direct him all game, both positioning and set ups. It was compelling viewing as Jack was getting somewhat frustrated at the continued bad positioning by Noah. I think he needs to study the game plan :shh
Again, at the game Mansell played his role as requested. This is not to say he can't be replaced, it's saying he played his role as a team player.
Dimma did talk about if50s
The poor conversion rate And how Carlton dropped deep to defend
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
Watch is what I do and did that's how I ascertained he was very ordinary in his performance Thursday. You need team balance as you can't have too many who don't run defensively- it's worked well enough for 3 flags since 2017 :shh
The practice match against the Dees a few weeks ago, Jack was trying to direct him all game, both positioning and set ups. It was compelling viewing as Jack was getting somewhat frustrated at the continued bad positioning by Noah. I think he needs to study the game plan :shh
Again, at the game Mansell played his role as requested. This is not to say he can't be replaced, it's saying he played his role as a team player.
Still not sold pies make finals
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I didn’t think Mansell had a poor game , seem to get his hands on it a few times at the end of the game. He plays a defensive role and no one thought he was going to kick multiple goals which is the concern. I think the coaches think that a manic forward defence is the best strategy for the club.
I don’t understand why Cumberland can’t be played with instructions to play a forward defence role on the opposition designated runner out of the backline because he is a natural goal sneak and is likely to get a couple of goals.
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Had another look at the game and i can honestly say if Gibcus or Tarrant was available id drop Balta the bloke doesnt have a clue.
Gunna stick to my guns and say there was some horrid performances and changes need to be made.
Those changes for me are.
INS - Tarrant if fit not clear on where he is at.
Sonsie this kid is again being wasted in the two's just like last year. But hey Hooch Hardwick has to play his faves.
Cumberland every single day of the week over Mansell as a fwd. Fmd give me a bloke who kicks two a week has pace and tackles damn well and has shown in the 8 games he played there is nothing wrong with his defensive game over Mansell.
Clarke sheesh another kid who is quick has natural fwd temperament knows how to snag a goal and has a great tank so can be played in other roles if need be.. It is so so clear old Hooch is desperately finding ways to defend his decisons to keep his old favorites in the team. Geez Sonsie and Clarke can at least hit a target going fwd.
Last one can anyone tell me what this kid has done not to warrant a game in Ryan.
FFS hooch you dont pick em just because it means an average favorite may miss out. The biggest most glaring weakness we have and we have a kid who has done everything right to get a game who can help with it, but the coach and the selectors cannot bring themselves to play him because that would mean they have to drop old favorites they have got too close to.
That last sentence imo is what is wrong. It is why so few long term coaches go on to be good list builders after the first time round. They just get too close to the players they have had success with, that my opinion anyway.
Fair dinkum if we keep down this path we can all look fwd to many years near the bottom and most will be wondering what the hell went wrong. We can look fwd to more promising kids looking fwd to opportunity elsewhere too.
For what its worth my team next week and it should have been very similar this week except Tarrant who was obviously injured.
Vlastuin - Tarrant - Grimes. Just speaks for itself.
Broad - Miller/Balta - Rioli. Balta has been so poor for ages so this is not based on one game. if supporters are not becoming concerned then they are kidding themselves. Reckon id even consider Tyler Young atm. Balta's name is there because they won't drop him.
Pickett - Hopper - Clarke/McIntosh. Yes they don't have the guts or see the real need to find better than Macca lets talk about the lack of polish in the team eh Hooch.
Nankervis - Taranto - Bolton. Three big bodies onball mid with the aim to get it in Boltons hands.
Cumberland - Lynch - Sonsie. Fair dinkum i find it crazy we cannot play Sonsie!!!! Instead we play plodders instead. If not Sonsie at h/f then Clarke. The defenders of all things Richmond know deep down it was a big mistake not playing Cumberland and even the coach was lamenting the lack of polish. He should also be lamenting the lack of natural goal kickers when we manage just 8 goals in 66 fwd half entries.
MRJ - Riewoldt - Ryan/Dusty
Gunna keep banging on about it all the way up to selection next week. What part of just 8 goals from 66 fwd entries do people not understand including old Hooch.
The team above clearly addresses the problems fwd of centre and those polish problems Hooch spoke about.
They also add pace height and marking power.
Martin/Ryan - Cotchin - Prestia - Baker/Graham . Liam is lucky after the first game so make him sub. Three very very good 30 plus year olds impacting off the bench who were very servicable game one. Also i dont have a problem with Dusty starting in the fwd half for Samson. Samson gives Nank a chop out and gives us a genuine tall presence with his marking fwd. Thats something we so desperately need to develop.
Outs well they wont be liked and imo Graham would be really stiff after thursday night so kept him in.
We have obvious deficiencies so ffs lets hope they do something about it or at least try and do something about them rather than just sticking with and making up new roles for old faves.
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IN: Sonsie, Clarke, Ryan, Cumberland
OUT: Ross, McIntosh, Mansell, Cotchin
Round 2 Team v Adelaide
B: Grimes (C) Balta Vlastuin
HB: D.Rioli Miller Baker
C: Clarke Prestia Pickett
HF: Bolton Martin Sonsie
F: Riewoldt Lynch M.Rioli
R: Nankervis (C) Graham Taranto
I: Broad Cumberland Ryan Hopper
Sub: Short
This should be the team.
But we know Hardwick plays his favourites.
We need pace, skill and composure with the football. Oh and a new tall forward that jumps for marks.
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Out: Mansell, Ross, Riewoldt (Rested)
In: Sonsie, Clarke, Ryan
Unlucky Dow.
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Out: Mansell, Ross, Riewoldt (Rested)
In: Sonsie, Clarke, Ryan
Unlucky Dow.
Rested for round 2?
Gunna be a very long year for Jack if that’s the case
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Crows looking really good so far today. Giants not so great but we certainly have our work cut out for us next week
This post aged well 😂😂
In my defence, they were smashing them at the time but yes jumped the gun perhaps.
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Crows looking really good so far today. Giants not so great but we certainly have our work cut out for us next week
This post aged well 😂😂
In my defence, they were smashing them at the time but yes jumped the gun perhaps.
Both Teams were out on their feet in the last. It was very hot and we have a extra two days rest and recovery which does bode well for us.
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IN: Clarke
OUT: Ross
SUB: Mansell
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We’re a better side with Sonsie and Cumberland there
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We’re a better side with Sonsie and Cumberland there
I missed your passionate insights.
Good to see you back TM. :cheers
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Out Mansell
In Clarke
Mansell the sub.
I think Clarke needs to play 75% of the year in the first if it works out. He is clean as and out list really lacks quality skills. We have plenty of pace, pressure and contested stuff now. We don't have really any silk. Especially with Houli and Shed retiring this hasn't really been replaced. Clarke has it in him to be developed so would love to see it be given a big chance.
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We’re a better side with Sonsie and Cumberland there
I missed your passionate insights.
Good to see you back TM. :cheers
Good to see you man :cheers
hope you're well
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
Watch is what I do and did that's how I ascertained he was very ordinary in his performance Thursday. You need team balance as you can't have too many who don't run defensively- it's worked well enough for 3 flags since 2017 :shh
The practice match against the Dees a few weeks ago, Jack was trying to direct him all game, both positioning and set ups. It was compelling viewing as Jack was getting somewhat frustrated at the continued bad positioning by Noah. I think he needs to study the game plan :shh
Again, at the game Mansell played his role as requested. This is not to say he can't be replaced, it's saying he played his role as a team player.
Dimma did talk about if50s
The poor conversion rate And how Carlton dropped deep to defend
Oh i see he has identified the problem has he? I wonder what he will do about it. I reckon very little which is what he usually does.
Lol 66 inside 50's for 8 goals and its likely he will just back in his aging mids rather than look to younger genuine forwards.
Lets wait and see shall we.
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
Watch is what I do and did that's how I ascertained he was very ordinary in his performance Thursday. You need team balance as you can't have too many who don't run defensively- it's worked well enough for 3 flags since 2017 :shh
The practice match against the Dees a few weeks ago, Jack was trying to direct him all game, both positioning and set ups. It was compelling viewing as Jack was getting somewhat frustrated at the continued bad positioning by Noah. I think he needs to study the game plan :shh
Again, at the game Mansell played his role as requested. This is not to say he can't be replaced, it's saying he played his role as a team player.
Just made me chuckle so much. Clearly you have not been watching and are placing your opnion on a micky mouse practice game and what ever the coaches are saying at the time..
Lol team balance ive heard it all now and its hilarious you bring up JR having another tantrum in a practice game.
what you didnt like Cumberlands positioning in the 8 cracking games he played last year. That positioning enabled him to average well well well 2.4 goals a game and also enabled him to lay some cracking tackles. There was no talk about about a lack of defensive pressure because there was no lack of pressure.
Fair dinkum talk about someone who is doing nothing but listening to what the coach is saying rather then opening their eyes and having a proper look for themselves.
Go ahead and judge players on practice games if you like but most of us will happily judge em on what they do in the real stuff.
Most of us can tell when Coaches are deflecting as well. Dont believe a word they say you will be much better informed if you do.
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Team Tips:
Many Tigers fans were surprised Noah Cumberland wasn’t selected for last week’s match, with coach Damien Hardwick post-game suggesting he played a similar role for the team to Dustin Martin inside 50 and was working on adding a few more strings to his bow. There’s a good chance Cumberland comes in for Saturday’s match against Adelaide, possibly at the expense of Rhyan Mansell. There’ll be an injury watch this week on Robbie Tarrant (hip) and Ivan Soldo (foot) and whether they’ll be available to play, while the Tigers will no doubt have a close look at mature-age recruit Tylar Young, who was close to playing last week.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-round-2-team-tips-predicted-lineups-squads-injuries-changes-ins-and-outs-supercoach-analysis-latest-news/news-story/dc8f5a2fa207003519a489c2943ed615
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Agree with calls to bring in Cumberland and Sonsie.
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In the Mix: Round 2
Sarah Black
afl.com.au
22 March 2023
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
The Tigers got through their draw with Carlton unscathed, with the substitution of the underdone Marlion Pickett a pre-planned move as he continues to build back from an adductor injury. Initial sub Jack Ross is the most likely to be the one to force a change, with half-forward Rhyan Mansell the quietest Tiger to have played a full game. Noah Cumberland is unlikely to find his way back into the side (barring an injury to a forward), with coach Damien Hardwick saying he is competing with Dustin Martin for the same role.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/886788/in-the-mix-r2-who-s-under-the-pump-who-s-pushing-for-selection-
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Gunna get in now probably won't be around later this week.
My team
Vlastuin - Miller - Grimes
Broad - Balta - Rioli
Pickett - Martin - McIntosh
Nankervis - Taranto - Prestia
Cumberland - Lynch - Bolton
Ryan - Riewoldt - MRJ
Hopper - Cotchin - Graham - Sonsie/Clarke
Baker.
Three ins but i reckon we will be lucky to get one.
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Cumberland was terrible yesterday- most disappointing is the only word. As Dimma said, he has some things to work on to make him a better player. This would include not being so selfish and defensive running being added to his game. Nail this and he could be something special.
And yet he was superb in the 8 games he played last year. You want a goal kicker then you want them to be just a bit selfish.
Have seen nothing wrong with his defensive running when in the seniors.
Reckon its a bit of the Dimma said so so it must be so mentality.
Keep going the way we have Cumberland will be another who will just want to play somewhere else. Reckon anyone would be deflated in Cumberlands shoes Just about every one bar Dimma thinks he should have been picked.
8 goals from 66 fwd entries we don't hear dimma talk about that do we. And where was all this so called defensive poo from Mansell who replaced him..
Really wish posters would look for themselves rather than just following what the club puts out.
Hardwick was copping it over not selecting Cumberland and he comes up with the oh we think he has to work on a few things line to justify the decision.
Watch is what I do and did that's how I ascertained he was very ordinary in his performance Thursday. You need team balance as you can't have too many who don't run defensively- it's worked well enough for 3 flags since 2017 :shh
The practice match against the Dees a few weeks ago, Jack was trying to direct him all game, both positioning and set ups. It was compelling viewing as Jack was getting somewhat frustrated at the continued bad positioning by Noah. I think he needs to study the game plan :shh
Again, at the game Mansell played his role as requested. This is not to say he can't be replaced, it's saying he played his role as a team player.
Just made me chuckle so much. Clearly you have not been watching and are placing your opnion on a micky mouse practice game and what ever the coaches are saying at the time..
Lol team balance ive heard it all now and its hilarious you bring up JR having another tantrum in a practice game.
what you didnt like Cumberlands positioning in the 8 cracking games he played last year. That positioning enabled him to average well well well 2.4 goals a game and also enabled him to lay some cracking tackles. There was no talk about about a lack of defensive pressure because there was no lack of pressure.
Fair dinkum talk about someone who is doing nothing but listening to what the coach is saying rather then opening their eyes and having a proper look for themselves.
Go ahead and judge players on practice games if you like but most of us will happily judge em on what they do in the real stuff.
Most of us can tell when Coaches are deflecting as well. Dont believe a word they say you will be much better informed if you do.
Claw- until he starts playing in the real stuff, it is all he can be judged on at the moment. Not saying he can't play- just telling it like it is currently. Dimma and his assistance have told him what he needs to do to play the real stuff. Until he starts doing this, VFL is his level. My personal preference is for him to play but he is a lazy player with little defensive running- still!
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Cumberland is a lazy player with little defensive running....
I've heard it all now, I really have.
What the stuff is that comment even based on?
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Cumberland is a lazy player with little defensive running....
I've heard it all now, I really have.
What the stuff is that comment even based on?
Take the time to watch him in the VFL!!
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My understanding is Hooch Hardwick can't play both Martin and Cumberland in the same because they have the same roles.
Nothing to do with defensive pressure.
Have you heard anything so stupid we cant play Martin a mid/fwd and Cumberland a pure goal kicking fwd in the same team.
It is stupidity at its best or in this case worst.
Like Cotchin what is wrong with playing Martin in his normal roleallowing Cumberland to ply his craft as a forward.
They can say what they want but to me Dusty's role has hardly changed the entire length of his career he played mostly fwd of centre anyway and if defence is a team concern then dusty doesnt have a defensive bone in his body so why is he getting a game. If it is a new role then you would describe it as Lamberts old role and that role should have gone to one of Sonsie or Clarke.
The whole thing is just utter nonsense and has nothing to do with Dusty and his role imo. Its all about finding space in the team for blokes like Short and a few other faves.
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Cumberland is a lazy player with little defensive running....
I've heard it all now, I really have.
What the stuff is that comment even based on?
Take the time to watch him in the VFL!!
I watched him play AFL mate. What you describe him as is a pathetic slur on a guy that is a very talented and hardworking young fella
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Cumberland is a lazy player with little defensive running....
I've heard it all now, I really have.
What the stuff is that comment even based on?
Take the time to watch him in the VFL!!
I watched him play AFL mate. What you describe him as is a pathetic slur on a guy that is a very talented and hardworking young fella
:lol Hardy a slur. Unless you’re willing to watch, at times both levels, i can’t see how you could comment on the 2023 version of Cumberland. Again, i would prefer he plays but he isn’t at the moment.
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Cumberland is a lazy player with little defensive running....
I've heard it all now, I really have.
What the stuff is that comment even based on?
Take the time to watch him in the VFL!!
I watched him play AFL mate. What you describe him as is a pathetic slur on a guy that is a very talented and hardworking young fella
:lol Hardy a slur. Unless you’re willing to watch, at times both levels, i can’t see how you could comment on the 2023 version of Cumberland. Again, i would prefer he plays but he isn’t at the moment.
Calling him a lazy player is a slur though mate. You make him out to be something he's not.
Kid busted his ass for us last season and was tough as dogs nuts.
I don't need to get down to VFL practice matches to make up my mind about what he brings to the table. And hanging off every word of some blokes that watch 2's football isn't what I base my opinions on tbh
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My understanding is Hooch Hardwick can't play both Martin and Cumberland in the same because they have the same roles.
Nothing to do with defensive pressure.
Have you heard anything so stupid we cant play Martin a mid/fwd and Cumberland a pure goal kicking fwd in the same team.
Actually perhaps it has everything to do with defensive pressure.
Defensive pressure isn't exactly one of Dusty's strengths. So not sure we can afford to have 2 mid size forwards allowing the ball to be "sling shot" out of defence. Maybe that's why they played Mansell? Dusty didn't spend much time forward of centre, he played deep for most of the game so clearly the plan is to play him forward
Personally I'd be playing Cumberland rather than Mansell especially considering how much pressure Graham brings
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My understanding is Hooch Hardwick can't play both Martin and Cumberland in the same because they have the same roles.
Nothing to do with defensive pressure.
Have you heard anything so stupid we cant play Martin a mid/fwd and Cumberland a pure goal kicking fwd in the same team.
Actually perhaps it has everything to do with defensive pressure.
Defensive pressure isn't exactly one of Dusty's strengths. So not sure we can afford to have 2 mid size forwards allowing the ball to be "sling shot" out of defence. Maybe that's why they played Mansell? Dusty didn't spend much time forward of centre, he played deep for most of the game so clearly the plan is to play him forward
Personally I'd be playing Cumberland rather than Mansell especially considering how much pressure Graham brings
Cmon William in the 8 games Cumberland actually played in last year his defensive pressure was never an issue.
All of a sudden Hooch is trying to fit in favorites and defensive pressure is an issue.
Its just bull dust mate. They are just trying to justify not playing Cumberland and imo lying about it.
I have rarely criticised Hardwick here but fair dinkum when it comes to kids, roles and favorites he has lost the plot.
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It's a crap reason and probably not the real reason. Cumberland must have screwed the wrong Mrs over summer.
His defensive pressure at AFL level was good and if he's lazy playing VFL I would suggest he knows he should be playing at AFL level and maybe he's peeed off. Maybe not the attitude coaches want to see but can you blame him? He was sensational last year and most here were tipping a 40+ goal season for him this year.
If he doesn't get games I reckon he has a right to be peed. Won us games in '22.
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It's a crap reason and probably not the real reason. Cumberland must have screwed the wrong Mrs over summer.
His defensive pressure at AFL level was good and if he's lazy playing VFL I would suggest he knows he should be playing at AFL level and maybe he's peeed off. Maybe not the attitude coaches want to see but can you blame him? He was sensational last year and most here were tipping a 40+ goal season for him this year.
If he doesn't get games I reckon he has a right to be peed. Won us games in '22.
100% on board with that.
Lets just say Cumberland was Castagna and one of Hardwicks favorites he would just automatically be picked.
Last year and now this year if anyone asked me if Hardwick needs to go id say yes because it is clear he cannot look past the old blokes who got him flags despite how poor they are going or by playing then how much they stuff up structure.
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Team Whispers Round 2
RICHMOND forward Noah Cumberland — a surprise omission from the Tigers’ Round 1 team — might have to bide his time at VFL level as the Tigers prepare to face Adelaide.
Rhyan Mansell had a quiet game against Carlton and could lose his spot, but it’s unlikely he’ll be replaced by Cumberland, who plays a similar structural role to superstar Dustin Martin, according to coach Damien Hardwick.
Jack Ross, who was the sub against Carlton, could come in for Mansell.
ADELAIDE will need to replace versatile forward Shane McAdam due to suspension.
Ned McHenry and Lachlan Murphy both had strong outings in a SANFL trial game, but the Crows could go tall to stretch Richmond’s defence and name Riley Thilthorpe, who booted four goals and took several contested marks.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-team-news-whispers-updates-for-round-2-2023-afl-news-2023-round-2-teams-selections-squads-supercoach/news-story/6caf09c8e63b35e169ab45946ee2fe6c
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They'd be mad not to play Thilthorpe.
Good pedigree, magoo form and with our defence a bit short right now it would be an easy decision.
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I coming to the conclusion we must have two Cumberlands in the side, the one that plays AFL that most of us see and know and is a potential gun and the other one who plays in the twos and is a lazy bastard that only the RFC/The machine sees.
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I coming to the conclusion we must have two Cumberlands in the side, the one that plays AFL that most of us see and know and is a potential gun and the other one who plays in the twos and is a lazy bastard that only the RFC/The machine sees.
It's interesting but last year before he got selected for the AFL one of the things most who had watched him at VFL level highlighted 2 things that was likely holding him back 1/ was his "selfishness" and 2/ was lack of defensive pressure especially not chasing
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It's a crap reason and probably not the real reason. Cumberland must have screwed the wrong Mrs over summer.
His defensive pressure at AFL level was good and if he's lazy playing VFL I would suggest he knows he should be playing at AFL level and maybe he's peeed off. Maybe not the attitude coaches want to see but can you blame him? He was sensational last year and most here were tipping a 40+ goal season for him this year.
If he doesn't get games I reckon he has a right to be peed. Won us games in '22.
Substitute Martin for Reiwoldt, that's the real reason imo and Dimma won't want to highlight it which will put the spotlight on Reiwoldt
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Dimma confirmed in his presser today that Tarrant isn't right yet.
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I coming to the conclusion we must have two Cumberlands in the side, the one that plays AFL that most of us see and know and is a potential gun and the other one who plays in the twos and is a lazy bastard that only the RFC/The machine sees.
It's interesting but last year before he got selected for the AFL one of the things most who had watched him at VFL level highlighted 2 things that was likely holding him back 1/ was his "selfishness" and 2/ was lack of defensive pressure especially not chasing
Did that translate to his afl performances. Simple question and only requires an honest answer.
I see Dusty is picked in the fwd half again and he literally never chases. It the same rule for all or is it one rule for some and another for others.
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I see Dusty is picked in the fwd half again and he literally never chases. It the same rule for all or is it one rule for some and another for others.
Silly question...Dusty plays by Dusty's rules, and he's welcome to.