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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: mightytiges on January 29, 2005, 04:32:28 PM
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It was mentioned on 3aw that if the ratings tomorrow night for Hewitt go through the roof as expected (3 million viewers expected) then don't be surprised if the AFL big wigs start pushing the idea of a Saturday night GF. The $$$$ available from prime time tv sponsors will be too tempting to pass up.
What do you guys think about a night granny?
I like the tradition of the day and would prefer it to stay that way but if the Tiges reached and won a GF I wouldn't be complaining even if it was played at 2am in the morning ;D :thumbsup.
Looking at other major national sports the Superbowl is played in the evening while the FA Cup remains a daylight fixture.
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I like fireworks at night rather than the day - seem to lose their effect somehow lol
Tradition of the day is good as it is - except if i have to watch Bert Newton on the tellie again during the lead up i'll scream!
But i do like night games better than day - so I'd be easily swayed!
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I was thinking the same thing this morning MT when I first realised the Aust Open Final was tomorrow night. (Proof of how much tennis interests me.)
I like the way it has always been, a day GF for the footy.
I'll always remember an elderly lady phoning a radio station when our measurement system changed from imperial to metric. She argued that it shouldn't change until all the old people had died. ;D
Flawed logic, but hey I can almost see where she was coming from. :helpl
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No night grand final for me. I am a tradionalist.
Dead set against a night grand final and footy on good friday.
As for tomorrow nights tennis final - I am not too keen on that either. Even less pleased that one player has had an extra day to prepare/recover. The Australian Open becomes more like the US Open every year :banghead :banghead
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NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead NO :banghead
GET THE MESSAGE
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How are you going to keep the clowns sober until nighttime?
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How are you going to keep the clowns sober until nighttime?
Imagine - the North Melbourne breakfast going 10 hours.
I'd prefer a day GF, wouldn't mind a night one if RFC won it.
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What do you guys think of a night grand final now? Has anyone changed their view?
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Night grand final on cards as networks push
Caroline Wilson
The Age
June 1, 2006
The seemingly irresistible push for a night Grand Final is gaining momentum, with TV networks holding greater sway after their exorbitant payment for AFL broadcast rights.
THE first AFL night grand final seems destined to take place next year if the league's new broadcast partners have their way.
Having committed $780 million to cover football between next season and 2011, the Seven and Ten networks are set to renew their push for a historic change to the last Saturday in September, with an MCG grand final starting about 6.30pm.
And in another surprising development yesterday, the Seven Network conceded it could reach a deal that would allow the AFL's pay TV carrier, Foxtel, to televise four home-and-away games each week from next season.
Channel Seven executives held a summit in Sydney yesterday where the prospect of the free-to-air network hosting just two of the eight fixtured AFL games was not ruled out, should Foxtel be prepared to meet the network's selling price.
Channel Seven chief executive David Leckie has long been an advocate of the move, having pioneered National Rugby League Sunday night grand finals during his tenure at the Nine Network.
While Seven and Ten have not reached official agreement as to which network will host the first grand final of the five-year agreement — the mooted coin toss remains uncertain — both networks will mount campaigns for the change.
Yesterday's Seven talks, which included executives from Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Adelaide, reached no final decisions regarding Seven's programming but ended with broadcaster Bruce McAvaney favoured to return to his seat as the network's No. 1 Friday night football caller.
Seven's Melbourne boss, Ian Johnson, has emerged as the network's head of AFL programming.
Although AFL chief Andrew Demetriou has said in the past that the AFL would continue to support the traditional afternoon time slot, half the 16 AFL clubs last year demonstrated cautious support for the change when the prospect was raised by Collingwood president Eddie McGuire in front of the AFL Commission.
Had Channel Nine won the AFL rights that network was also believed to be planning a night grand final. Nothing in the new AFL broadcast agreement prevents the change and while the league's current finals broadcaster, Channel Ten, has accepted the AFL's view in the past, the network appears to be shifting in its view as well.
Spokesmen for the Seven and Ten networks were not available yesterday.
Ten executives told Richmond and Essendon before the recent Dreamtime Game that it viewed that match and its impressive pre-game entertainment as something of a night grand final dress rehearsal.
Under the record agreement the AFL struck with Channel Nine last December — a deal matched two weeks later by Channels Seven and Ten — Foxtel was to have hosted four of the eight home-and-away games each week over the 22-week season.
Seven and Ten had always maintained they preferred a five-three split — with Ten hosting two games each Saturday and Seven broadcasting Friday night football and two Sunday games. But that scenario was envisaged before the five-year rights package was sold for $780 million.
Since then Seven has bought the rights to the V8 Supercars, a competition that currently clashes with AFL matches on six Sundays during the home-and-away season.
Foxtel is almost certain to televise Sunday twilight games from 4.30 or 5pm. Those matches could directly follow a 1pm game, also on Foxtel, while Seven would host a 2pm game. Under the new AFL agreement that 2pm match could be delayed until 3pm should Seven have a scheduling clash with motor sport.
Regardless of whether Foxtel gets three or four games next year, its package will consist of better-quality matches.
When McGuire thrust the night grand final debate back onto the agenda last year, he told The Age: "I think it's something that's probably inevitable."
McGuire pointed to the impressive success of the Australian Open men's tennis final, which was Australia's highest-rating show in 2005, with 4.05 million viewers, when it switched to Sunday.
The move by the NRL to play its grand final on a Sunday night drew 2.6 million nationally, including significant ratings numbers in Melbourne. The AFL attracted 3.39 million viewers last year.
Channel Ten sports chief David White said last year that he had raised the prospect of a night grand final with Demetriou, who had always rejected it.
Demetriou has always cited tradition and the fact that it might "mitigate against children and older fans".
"I think a grand final at night would rate higher," White said.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/05/31/1148956418591.html
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What do you guys think of a night grand final now? Has anyone changed their view?
nup
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stuff off.
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I like fireworks at night rather than the day - seem to lose their effect somehow lol
Tradition of the day is good as it is - except if i have to watch Bert Newton on the tellie again during the lead up i'll scream!
But i do like night games better than day - so I'd be easily swayed!
Wot she said lol
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AND that dreamtime krape was a snorefest :sleep
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Channel 7 appears to be making moves to push for a Night Grand Final. We've had Rugby League Grand Finals played at night up here since 2000. They said the change would enhance the atmosphere. I have been to the past 3 and personally I don't like them. In actual fact I feel there is less atmosphere at night games. The real reason behind Night Grand Finals is purely and simply TV ratings.
What do you think??
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I'll merge this thread tiga with the one already started on the View from the Outer board. Cheers :).
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=1282.0
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As it’s the tv networks that push for these things to happen then I’ll never agree to it.
You expect them to look after their own interests, but what does the AFL stand to get out of it and what is there to suggest a night GF will add to what has always been a big event and ratings winner?
The fact the NRL has moved their GF to a night game kinda cheapens it for me. They’ve chopped and changed so much in their competition that you wonder where they are going sometimes. And because they seem so prepared to make change in the blink of an eye makes you question the strength of that League.
You can admire anyone or anything that has the ability to stand the test of time. And I think there’s real strength in the fact the AFL GF hasn’t moved or changed to any real degree. It’s an institution, and a winner how it is, so why would you need or want to mess with it?
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Grand final in the twilight zone
Caroline Wilson | May 24, 2007
THE AFL is considering a twilight grand final in September following an approach from the Ten Network.
The sport's chiefs have told Ten they will not consider a night match, but say they will look at the idea of starting the 2007 premiership decider about 5pm, ending under lights between 8pm and 8.30pm
AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and chief executive Andrew Demetriou held talks early this month with Network Ten's director of sport, David White, and chief executive, Grant Blackley, who presented the prospect of a national 11-hour telecast beginning at noon and finishing at 11pm.
"They didn't say yes but they have agreed to consider it," said White, who flew to Melbourne and held a second round of talks with the AFL two days ago.
"I think there's a moderate degree of interest but the AFL is mindful of doing the right thing by … its clubs and fans in particular.
"I think it's time — 2007 is the time for the AFL grand final to be played under lights. Every major sport in the world now holds its grand finale under lights. We believe the result would be spectacular and we would reach a much bigger audience."
Demetriou refused to comment last night but confirmed the two meetings. Famously opposed to a night grand final — something all the commercial networks have supported in the past — Demetriou is believed to remain a traditionalist, while some commissioners and members of the AFL executive have a more positive view on the twilight prospect.
While the radical rescheduling of the game's biggest day remains no certainty, the AFL's decision to consider the proposal is a major shift. The current broadcasting deal is worth $780 million to the competition between 2007 and 2011 and that revenue is keeping at least three Victorian clubs alive.
Only yesterday Demetriou sang the praises of the twilight concept, pointing to the fact that the newly scheduled regular Sunday twilight games have been a ratings hit for Foxtel and in terms of attendances.
Channel Ten will host the 2007, 2009 and 2011 grand finals under the current broadcasting agreement, with Seven showing the 2008 and 2010 play-offs. Seven's chief executive David Leckie is a rugby league fan who has also talked up the idea of night grand finals in the past.
But Ten's David White, who enjoys a more influential relationship with the AFL and who has played a pivotal role in the past two multi-network media deals, beginning in 2001, said he now favoured the twilight concept. He met the AFL's general manager of broadcasting, Gillon McLachlan, on Tuesday to develop the proposal.
"The AFL have made it clear they won't look at a night grand final," White said, "and to be honest I'm inclined to agree with them. A five o'clock start is a people-friendly time, not too early and not too late. The grand final breakfast could become the grand final lunch, which we would broadcast along with all manner of interviews and previews.
"After the game we could keep the telecast running until 11pm — not end it at 6pm — with all the presentations, post-game analysis and the premiership team's official celebrations and their dinner."
The AFL Commission and its executive will consider the Ten proposal at its next meeting in June.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/grand-final-in-the-twilight-zone/2007/05/23/1179601488745.html
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Twilight, now there's a compomise.
I've always been against a night GF. Slap-bang between a day game and a night game could sway a lot of people. Me included.
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I still prefer Saturday arvo for the GF.
Even if it was held at twilight or night the GF entertainment would still be lame.
If they want to improve the atmosphere at the GF then give the supporters of the two competing clubs first choice of seats.
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If they want to improve the atmosphere at the GF then give the supporters of the two competing clubs first choice of seats.
There you go, that's it in a nutshell - being an MCC member have been to quite a few grand finals and apart from the fact that it is a GF, you just dont sense that passion in the air.
The tradition of footy is bbq's for people that dont go.
Or the one's that are lucky enough.
Up early a few starters and the game before to many starters are consumed (believe me, a lot of fans will miss remembering their side win a flag if it went to night)
And also the tradition of going to the clubs spiritual home for after match celebrations to enjoy the moment, even a twilight game once the clubs were ready it would be too late (especially for kids).
Like said if it's not broke dont fix it.
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Are you in favour or against a night Grand Final?
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Channel 10 fights for night AFL Grand Final
Michael Warner | November 01, 2008
CHANNEL 10 has ramped up its push for next year's AFL Grand Final to be played under lights.
Network bosses yesterday confirmed plans to push the AFL for a twilight premiership.
"I'd like to see a 5.30pm bounce," said Ten's general manager of sport David White.
"They (the AFL) know we're very keen on a twilight Grand Final."
Mr White said he preferred a 7.30pm start but believed the AFL was open to a twilight spectacle.
An AFL spokesman said the league remained committed to a day Grand Final.
But AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has previously flagged a twilight start.
The Grand Final has never started after 2.55pm, and this year returned to its traditional 2.30pm start.
A move to a 5.30pm start is tipped to boost the national TV audience by up to 20 per cent.
Other sports, including the Australian Open men's tennis final and the NRL grand final, have become night events in recent years.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24583476-661,00.html
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Bugger off 10. We get millions at 2:30, it's the traditional and best spot so keep it that way. :banghead
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No thanks didn't work for the rugby league GF and dont think it would work for the AFL one
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Still prefer the tradition of a day GF (except for the pre-game "entertainment") but if the Tiges finally made it to the big one I wouldn't care if it started at 2.30 am.
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Still prefer the tradition of a day GF (except for the pre-game "entertainment") but if the Tiges finally made it to the big one I wouldn't care if it started at 2.30 am.
LOL MT you got that right
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Half the people that watch the game on the idiot box would only get to see half the game. As they would be peeed.
So I say no to it if it ain't broke then leave it alone.
We get more people to a home and away match than they get to a night Grnd Final in the NRL.
So leaft the bloody thing alone.
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Eddie McGuire urges AFL to see light on night Grand Final
by: Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
February 15, 2012
COLLINGWOOD president Eddie McGuire says "embarrassing" pre-match Grand Final entertainment must force the AFL to switch to a prime-time night game.
McGuire said last year's Meat Loaf debacle proved the league was incapable of staging quality pre-match entertainment during the afternoon.
He said the league has a serious decision to make: either ditch all pre-match entertainment for an afternoon Grand Final or "get real" with a massive night spectacle.
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou's argument about retaining tradition is obsolete, according to McGuire, because almost every big AFL game is played at night.
"Sooner or later we need some serious discussion on whether we want to have a night Grand Final," he said.
"We have been trying pre-match entertainment since 1977. It doesn't work.
"People come down with trapezes where you can see the wires and footy legends with premiership cups come wandering on to the ground like brown's cows. It's embarrassing.
"We just got over Angry Anderson 20 years ago and (last year) we had Meat Loaf. We don't want that happening next year."
Meat Loaf was paid about $600,000 for a disastrous pre-match performance, with AFL chief operating officer Gillon McLachlan later conceding "he just couldn't sing".
"If we want to keep it as a daytime game, we might as well forget the entertainment," McGuire said.
"Get some massed bands to play Advance Australia Fair and Waltzing Matilda, then get everyone off the ground and bounce the ball.
"But if you want to have a real go, have an entertainment spectacular with a million-dollar budget.
"If you want to put on the biggest and best show, you do it at night."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/eddie-mcguire-urges-afl-to-see-light-on-night-grand-final/story-e6frf9jf-1226271178896
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how is playing the grand final at night going to overcome the inabiliy of the AFL to provide quality pre match entertainment.
Is fireworks and a laser show all that is lacking? :wallywink
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I personally wouldn't mind a night grand final. Then we get a whole day lead up. Hit the turps and a BBQ from lunch and be well primed for the game.
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'No' to night Grand Final
By Mark Macgugan
Wed 15 Feb, 2012
AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou has rejected Eddie McGuire's call for the Grand Final to be played at night.
McGuire said in Wednesday morning's Herald Sun that the game needed to be played in darkness if the pre-match entertainment was to be worthwhile.
"If we want to keep it as a daytime game, we might as well forget the entertainment," the Collingwood president said. "We have been trying pre-match entertainment since 1977. It doesn't work."
But Demetriou said the League remained committed to the Grand Final's traditional timeslot.
"The fact is that the night Grand Final never came up in discussions with the Seven Network during our broadcast rights negotiations," he said at Etihad Stadium on Wednesday.
"I think even they accept that our position is one where we take great pride in playing our Grand Final on a Saturday afternoon, which people have built a great tradition around.
"We play most of our other finals at night; we think we've got the balance right."
However, Demetriou also acknowledged that Meat Loaf's underwhelming performance before the 2011 decider had brought into focus the importance of getting the entertainment right.
He said the League was considering moving the pre-game show to half-time, bringing it into line with the NFL Super Bowl.
"[The entertainment] is an important part of our day," he said.
"It's part of our brand and we need to get it right.
"The fact that we've talked about Meat Loaf so much shows that it actually matters to people.
"So our guys have got their thinking caps on about how we do it this year.
"We've been talking about whether it's the right time before the match, or should we do it at half-time? What form should it take?"
The AFL chief said comparisons to the Super Bowl, where Madonna performed a spectacular show this year, were pointless.
"The entertainment at the Super Bowl … we just shouldn't even compare it, because we're never going to go there," Demetriou said.
"It's a $12-15 million production that produces a singer every year who performs for free."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/128965/default.aspx
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I'd prefer to keep it as it is but if the gf is a draw then they can play the replay at night.
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I personally wouldn't mind a night grand final. Then we get a whole day lead up. Hit the turps and a BBQ from lunch and be well primed for the game.
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Once I was stoically against the idea but am warming to the idea of a night GF.
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Seems odd to me that almost every final is at night then the major is during the day.
Odd and unfair.
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AFL's official twitter is asking if people want a day or night Grand Final.
What are OERites thoughts?
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Stick with the tradition of a day grand final. Leave the night to celebrate the win!
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I don't care if it's 2am as long as the Tiges are in it. After 30 years waiting you can't be picky ;D.
Daytime is better for the quality of footy as there's no dew but nighttime is better off-field as far as maximising tv ratings (more $$$ for the game) and pre and half-time entertainment as you can hold a lightshow.
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Tradition? Tradition only applies when people want it too doesn't it? ;D ;D
Personally believe the GF should always be on during the day
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Have it in the day.
But if its a draw the replay should be at night.
Everyones happy, Problem solved.
I'm waiting to here from Andy D about my excellent idea. ;D
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Fitzpatrick won't rule out night Grand Final 'experiment'
Read more: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-09/fitzpatrick-wont-rule-out-night-grand-final-experiment
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I always like watching sides having to adapt to cope with the warmer conditions for the grand final. It adds a new dimension to finals footy, a dimension that would be lost if it was changed to a night game!
So ... (in my best old-guy voice) "Would you darn kids stop messing with the game!" *mumble ... *groan ... *shuffle ...
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AFL must try twilight Grand Final: Sheedy
AFL.com.au
December 2, 2015
KEVIN Sheedy has urged the AFL to be brave and at least trial a twilight Grand Final.
Inspired by the success of the pink ball day-night Test match in Adelaide, Sheedy - the driving force behind the Anzac Day and Dreamtime at the 'G blockbusters, and next season's Country game - says the League could reap huge benefits from the bold move.
"If they want to vote, I'd put my feet and my hands in the air to have a twilight grand final," Sheedy told SEN on Wednesday.
"Have a look at it because at least then you've had a look. We've done over a hundred years of (day) Grand Finals and we won't look at something different.
"It might be pretty good - it might be better ... we don't know unless you actually try.
"At least cricket has had the courage to go and try it - I thought it was quite successful."
Brisbane Lions captain Tom Rockliff was less than impressed with Sheedy's call, tweeting his opposition on Wednesday afternoon.
@TheRunHome why bother? AFL has a good thing and cricket was struggling to get crowds. Don't just change for the sake of change.
— Tom Rockliff (@rockwiz38) December 2, 2015
Previous AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou was an unashamed traditionalist who preferred the game's showpiece match in its afternoon timeslot but successor Gillon McLachlan hasn't ruled out the possibility of a twilight grand final in the future.
After his address to the National Press Club in August, McLachlan described the AFL Commission as split roughly 50-50 on the issue.
"It will be a decision for the Commission and, without betraying Commission confidence, I think there is a diversity of views on that," McLachlan said.
"I can tell you this year it will be a day Grand Final and I can't imagine it not being one the year after that.
"But you can't rule it out (from 2017)."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-02/afl-must-try-twilight-grand-final-sheedy
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Eddie McGuire to urge AFL to move Grand Final to twilight timeslot following success of US Super Bowl
Jay Clark
Herald Sun
February 9, 2016
AN AFL legend says a twilight Grand Final is inevitable within five years, as debate rages on whether the league should move the big game in the wake of the spectacular Super Bowl.
The league is again under pressure to improve its entertainment package after a dazzling performance from some of the globe’s biggest acts in California.
British rockers Coldplay were joined by Bruno Mars, Mark Ronson and Beyonce for a 15-minute extravaganza that was watched by more than 100 million people worldwide.
The show attracted rave reviews from AFL stars and fans, who called on the league to jazz up its annual offering, headlined by artists Ellie Goulding and Bryan Adams last year.
Brisbane champion Jonathan Brown said a twilight Grand Final was inevitable within five years.
He said television broadcasters want a later start to capture a bigger audience.
“Of course it should be (twilight) It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when,” Brown said on Nova 100.
“It will be a twilight Grand Final at some stage because Channel 7 will keep demanding it because of the amount of money they pay for the TV rights and the AFL want as much money as they possible can.
“The dam wall is about to crack. It will crack soon ... let’s say five years.”
AFL commercial operations general manager Darren Birch, who was at the Super Bowl, said the AFL spent significantly less on the Grand Final than the NFL.
“They (NFL) do it so well but are on a completely different scale due to their level of investment — the spend would be in excess of millions of dollars and the three acts perform for free — probably $10m of talent at half time with Coldplay, Beyoncé and Bruno Mars,” Birch said.
“Also worth noting they change the half-time break to accommodate the show and it is significantly longer than the normal season.
“Something in our game we would not really contemplate.”
Birch said the AFL Grand Final entertainment was a key focus area for the league every year.
He said the AFL’s post-game celebrations were “much-cleaner” than the Super Bowl presentation.
“The AFL has discussed the entertainment at length each year and we maintain that the game is and should always remain the centrepiece of our day,” he said.
“In comparison I think the AFL does do our retiring greats very well with the motorcade and the crowd and broadcast recognition.
Pre-game entertainment at the MCG during the 2008 Toyota AFL Grand Final between the Geelong Cats and the Hawthorn Hawks at the MCG.
“We do post game presentation to the team and the fans well and is much cleaner and structured than the Super Bowl post game presentations.
“Our post-game concert and team presentation is getting strong each year and has become one of the fan highlights of the day.”
Birch said the league endeavoured to keep the big game affordable for families.
“It’s interesting to note the ticket prices with most tickets to fans being in the thousands of dollars opposed to our prices,” he said.
“You still see families and children at our game as it remains accessible — there are very few children at the Super Bowl.”
Birch said the daytime start for the Super Bowl did create a different atmosphere to previous night time finales.
“The game started in daylight and the half time show was done close to twilight which was different to last year (at night) and the effects and impact of daylight did change the atmosphere inside the stadium,” he said.
“It reinforces the challenges we have with entertainment and performances during the day with the Grand Final.”
The Premier says when it comes to a twilight Grand Final it’s more about the half-time talent than the timing.
Daniel Andrews has told Channel 7 it’s more about the entertainment than the timing.
“I think if Beyonce was half-time for a day match or half-time for a twilight match it’s always going to be a spectacular show,” he said.
“That’s ultimately a matter for the AFL and they’ve got some difficult choices to make, but there’s arguments for and against.“But again, as I said, we’re just bracing ourselves and trying to get over Meatloaf.”
The AFL was famously savaged in 2011 after Meatloaf’s half-time flop.
Geelong great Cameron Ling, who was at the Super Bowl on his honeymoon, tweeted: “OK... They do it very well here!”
Former teammate Cam Mooney replied: “Well that just made #meatloaf look even worse.”
Collingwood president McGuire, who attended Super Bowl 50 yesterday, said the AFL should move the Grand Final to a twilight timeslot in line with the NFL decider.
He said a later start would provide an electric night-time backdrop at minimal cost and was a “bleeding obvious” solution to the AFL’s Grand Final entertainment problems.
“If we want to do entertainment, particularly on a budget, you need all the tricks of showbiz and there is no better way than using darkness, lights and smoke,” McGuire said.
“It doesn’t have to be in the dead of night, just not in the blaze of sunshine.”
McGuire said a twilight start would also boost the AFL’s bid to grow the game in developing interstate markets, saying the Grand Final should be broadcasted “when they will see it”.
Former Hawk and Suns defender Campbell Brown agreed with McGuire.
“AFL must go twilight. If u stand still u get run over. C’mon Gill (McLachlan),” Brown tweeted.
The AFL has not responded.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/eddie-mcguire-to-urge-afl-to-move-grand-final-to-twilight-timeslot-following-success-of-us-super-bowl/news-story/fc6f6be23aa2d8aef381c2ac6d9f18ac
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With all the money in the game why do we need to do entertainment on a budget? B grade entertainers standing on black painted wooden stages and 3 different light rigs may have cut it in the 90s but not now.
That aside, I'd be happy with a twiglight Gf just hope that it's not morons like McGuire who get it over the line
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Why do we need entertainment full stop? The sport should be good enough to stand on it's own and sell itself without all that stupid Seppo shyte. Divert the millions paying has-beens from overseas to grass roots footy.The only razzmatazz I want to see is from the players or adorning the legs of female spectators. It's the Grand Final of the football, not the stuffing Rock Eisteddfod.
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Yep, just let some kids play
Surely te c and a grade acts is getting old
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If the Tigers make it and win it then I couldn't care if it's played at 2am.
Why do we need entertainment full stop? The sport should be good enough to stand on it's own and sell itself without all that stupid Seppo shyte. Divert the millions paying has-beens from overseas to grass roots footy.The only razzmatazz I want to see is from the players or adorning the legs of female spectators. It's the Grand Final of the football, not the stuffing Rock Eisteddfod.
The early superbowls didn't have this half-time 'spectacular'. All they had was college marching bans. Then I think someone got the idea of attracting non-football fans with pop stars or a rival network created on a half-time show, and its size and popularity took off as each network tried to out do the other. It also helps that these popstars perform for no appearance fee nowdays as the publicity alone from doing a Superbowl show increases the artist's record sales by something like 75%. Our Grand Final doesn't have that appeal or scale, so the AFL has to pay just to get old acts whose prime was 30 years ago or the Australian Idol/Voice/etc types. The acoustics at the 'G for a concert act are terrible too. Add to that we don't have a sporting culture of mass crowd involvement around the ground. Imagine MCC members all being asked to hold up placards for a young pop act lol.
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AFL chief Gillon McLachlan can’t guarantee a day Grand Final this year with the push for a groundbreaking twilight match again gaining momentum.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-chief-gillon-mclachlan-wont-rule-out-evening-grand-final/news-story/1d2ceefae70faf565f207f5f8255e74c
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I think it would be great to have a night grand final with the tigers playing! :gotigers :cheers :santa
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prefer decent pre-game entertainment. That's where the NRL has it over the AFL
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The match itself is the entertainment, it doesn't need stuffing support acts.
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AFL Commission chairman Richard Goyder has backed a twilight start time for the Grand Final.
It comes ahead of next week’s season launch commission meetings, at which the Grand Final start time will be discussed, with a decision set to be announced on Thursday.
While fans have generally been against the move in most polls, it has appeared a fait accompli for some time the game will eventually be pushed back, enabling a greater spectacle for the halftime entertainment, as well as moving into prime time for TV broadcasters.
The Grand Final has traditionally started at 2:30pm EDT, with a 3pm start time for 1999’s North Melbourne v Carlton clash.
Twilight matches during the home and away season start at 4:35pm EDT.
Goyder suggested a twilight start time, rather than a night one, would work better for families.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-twilight-grand-final-move-backed-by-afl-commission-chairman-richard-goyder-ahead-of-next-weeks-decision/news-story/945f5072a3d106bb5a105c5b936e8e48
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The AFL's pointless annual "we'll consider a twilight GF but in the end we won't change it".
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-afl-has-decided-against-making-the-2019-grand-final-a-twilight-match/news-story/9360519caebad5c563d1f480e03ee977
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One again the AFL says it'll consider a twilight/night GF in the future but for this year it will remain a 2:30pm start time.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/02/17/afl-announce-starting-time-for-2020-grand-final/
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Eddie McGuire said the ‘plan’ at this stage is to play a night Grand Final.
“If everything goes according to plan, and ‘Darce’ (Luke Darcy) I’ll say this today, I think we’ll have a night Grand Final this year,” he said.
“I think we’ll have the Manikato Stakes at Moonee Valley on the Friday night, I think we’ll have the holiday on the Friday and then Saturday will be the Cox Plate and then Saturday night will be the Grand Final.”
Source: MMM, Fox (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afls-major-fixture-tweak-revealed-freo-great-outlines-path-ahead-for-hogan/news-story/06f31d561a6bc26c6390e41e774a673a).
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AFL ‘hasn’t had a single discussion’ about night grand final for 2020 season.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-hasnt-had-a-single-discussion-about-night-grand-final-for-2020-season-c-1049890
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Grand Final set for firstever night venture as Cox Plate confirms daytime preference.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/superracing/vic-racing/afl-grand-final-set-for-firstever-night-venture-as-cox-plate-confirms-daytime-preference/news-story/160013e5642f57a7fbab345c4a061615
7:40pm start.
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Hocking also suggested the Grand Final could take place at the same time as the Cox Plate, with both expected to take place on October 24.
“I can’t see why you couldn’t have multiple sports going around at the same time.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-live-2020-afl-updates-gold-coast-suns-afl-coronavirus-covid19/news-story/53f09a597b4060086207249ce2d6bf94
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ON A NIGHT LIKE THIS
Music promoter Michael Gudinski says pushing back the start time of the AFL Grand Final, as looms for 2020, would be the key to getting someone like Kylie Minogue to perform at the game.
Gudinski expects Australian acts to be heavily featured this year, both at the Grand Final and in music venues generally, given the limits on international travel currently in place.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-latest-news-live-blog-grand-final-date-start-time-bye-weeks-in-2020-wa-border-restrictions-quarantine-hubs/news-story/37311926a85d124b3e51cff0be3cd6ea
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Night grand final would be 'one-off', says McLachlan
Jake Niall
The Age
6 June 2020
The AFL has declared that a night or twilight grand final would be "a one-off" and not necessarily be repeated in 2021 if it happened this year.
AFL boss Gillon McLachlan confirmed that the league would like the grand final to be played on the weekend of October 24, which is Cox Plate weekend in Victoria, was "optimistic" that crowds would attend the season's finale and had plans for crowds to return at all venues.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/night-grand-final-would-be-one-off-says-mclachlan-20200605-p5501g.html
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I think the 2020 grand final should be a rootathon. Every club should nominate their best rooter and on the last day in september the 18 rooters all congregate
At the MCG and start rooting premium selection prostitutes. The player who lasts longest wins the 2020 premiership cup for his club and they are proclaimed Premiers. No asterix involved.
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The 2021 Grand Final will return to its traditional timeslot and home.
AFL club presidents were told on Wednesday afternoon the game would start at 2.30pm on Saturday September 25 at the MCG.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/560892/night-day-or-twilight-2021-grand-final-time-revealed
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Good.
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Talk of a twilight GF this year.
Jack Riewoldt's thoughts: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1514812003822362631
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AFL set to make controversial call for grand final’s return to the MCG
Glenn Valencich
7news
12 May 2022
The first AFL Grand Final at the MCG since 2019 looks set to take place in a twilight time slot.
The MCG is guaranteed to host the match this year, but perhaps not at the traditional 2.30pm start time.
7NEWS Melbourne’s Tom Browne reports the AFL Commission will meet next Wednesday to make its decision.
“They are expected to rubber-stamp a historic twilight grand final,” he said.
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan, who will depart the role at the end of this year, has long wanted to push the grand final into the night.
But he has also acknowledged pushback from fans on the move.
“It was pretty spectacular here ... it was a pretty good slot I thought,” McLachlan said after last year’s grand final in Perth.
“To have the first half in the day, second half in the night, I like where it was - for this stadium I think it went perfectly.
“But MCG’s different - we’ll process it and have a look.
“I don’t think anything should be taken for granted, we’ll have a look at it.
“I know how many people want it during the day at the MCG.
“I think you play it on its merits given the venue, the state, the circumstance.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-set-to-make-controversial-call-for-grand-finals-return-to-the-mcg-c-6766951
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Don't mind twilight.
Less bright sun, better viewing.
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THE 2022 Toyota AFL Grand Final will be staying in its traditional afternoon slot – 2.30pm, on Saturday September 24 at the MCG.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/763500
Day GF it is this year.
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Tigers to upset the Dees at the Big Dance by 25 points.
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Hopefully 1 point
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I dont need a heart attack 25 will do
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A million less people watched yesterday's GF compared to 2021 although the ratings were similar to the last day GF in 2019.
So the debate about day vs night GF will be raised again.
RETURN TO TRADITIONAL GRAND FINAL TIMESLOT PROVES A TV RATINGS DISASTER
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/25/return-to-traditional-grand-final-timeslot-proves-a-tv-ratings-disaster/
#TVratings Saturday #AFLGF #Seven #AFLCatsSwans
Total 2,962,00
Metro 2,180,000
Reg 782,000
(Syd 375k Mel 1066k Bri 232k Ade 207k Per 300k)
2021 #AFLGF 3,909,000
Metro 3,006,000
Reg 903,000
(Syd 395k Mel 1636k Bri 214k Ade 278k Per 483k)
https://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS/status/1573840131886575616
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Surely the 2020 and 2021 GFs will always be anomalous for the use of comparisons because people were in various lockdowns and had nothing else to do but watch the box.
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Seven renews push for night grand final after ratings slump for one-sided decider.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/seven-renews-push-for-night-grand-final-after-ratings-slump-for-one-sided-decider-20220925-p5bkts.html
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Have to say comparing the ratings for this year's Grand Final to last year's is laughable
Last years was interstate, Victoria was in some sort of lockdown, so logic tells you the ratings would be higher. Ditto comparison to 2020
To compare an apple with an apple you'd compare the ratings for this year against the ratings for the last one played at the MCG. Think you'll find there is only a very small difference
But any excuse to push for a change ::)
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Have to say comparing the ratings for this year's aggrandisement Final to last year's is laughable
Last years was interstate, Victoria was in some sort of lockdown, so logic tells you the ratings would be higher. Ditto comparison to 2020
To compare an apple with an apple you'd compare the ratings for this year against the ratings for the last one played at the MCG. Think you'll find there is only a very small difference
But any excuse to push for a change ::)
Nailed it.
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AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan has hinted at moving the Grand Final to a twilight timeslot for 2023
The timeslot of the AFL decider is often a source of debate, but declining viewership numbers for last year’s match have led to renewed calls for change.
Speaking on AFL 360, McLachlan said a recommendation would be made “in the next few weeks”, but admitted there was a growing push for a later start from some sections of the community.
“As someone who is a traditionalist ... I have noticed just out there that people are a bit more receptive to having a look at something else,” he said.
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Appearing later on the program, three-time premiership Tiger Jack Riewoldt said he would prefer the match to remain in its current afternoon time slot.
“My memories off the back of the afternoon grand finals in 17’ and 19’ are probably stronger in my mind than 2020, the night one, even though that was the most recent,” he said.
“I just think the afternoon has a spectacle about it, the MCG in sun and that first bounce that goes up, there’s not many feelings like that.
“Whilst the atmosphere of a night grand final might come across better and better for entertainment and the lights and everything, there’s just something about footy folklore about that bounce in the sunlight. I’m an afternoon man.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-grand-final-start-time-twilight-timeslot-gillon-mclachlan-interview-change/news-story/8eec76060c3b4bfb8932f369c8e34567?recommendedCount=0
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Huge AFL Grand Final start time switch to twilight now ‘likely’ claims report
Fox Footy
March 30th, 2023
It’s “likely” the AFL Grand Final will be played in a twilight timeslot this year, according to a new report.
The yearly debate over whether the premiership decider should remain in its traditional 2:30pm AEST timeslot, or move later in the day in a bid to improve the TV ratings, is set to be sparked once again.
Speaking at the SportNXT conference on Wednesday, AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan said a decision would be made by the AFL Commission “in the coming weeks”.
“Sources familiar the discussions about the timing indicate for that reason, a 4:40pm fixture remains likely for 2023.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-afl-grand-final-2023-timeslot-start-time-move-to-twilight-likely-440pm-instead-of-230pm-gillon-mclachlan/news-story/2b241105e2e3e0deeca843cf7a56481f
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New AFL chief executive Andrew Dillon has hinted strongly towards retaining a day Grand Final during his upcoming reign, describing last season's eventual return to a traditional start time as "really good".
https://www.afl.com.au/news/917572/day-here-to-stay-dillon-hints-at-traditional-gf-slot
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The AFL Commission has decided on the start time for the 2023 Toyota AFL Grand Final
By Riley Beveridge - 4 hrs ago
THE 2023 Toyota AFL Grand Final will remain in the traditional 2.30pm AEST afternoon slot.
The AFL Commission met on Wednesday to determine the showpiece game's opening bounce and opted to retain the customary 2.30pm AEST start time following a full review of last year's return to an afternoon fixture.
COVID-19 interruptions meant the Grand Final moved to a night slot at the Gabba in 2020, then a twilight fixture at Optus Stadium in 2021, before returning to the traditional afternoon start at the MCG last season.
Last year's Grand Final drew a sell-out crowd of 100,024 people, with the AFL's chief executive Gillon McLachlan reiterating that the League would continue to review the start time for future Grand Finals on a yearly basis.
"The Toyota AFL Grand Final is the biggest and best sporting event in the country. It is our game's biggest moment, and this year the bounce of the ball will again be at 2:30pm AEST," McLachlan said in a statement on Wednesday.
"The Commission will continue to review the start time for future Grand Finals. The AFL's role is to deliver the best possible game experience, both for fans at the ground and for the millions watching the broadcast, and together with our broadcast partner the Seven Network, we remain committed to creating an amazing event, both in the build-up during the week and culminating in 100,000 fans at the MCG.
"The fans this season have been incredible with more than three million fans attending matches across the first nine rounds – the biggest and loudest crowds in the history of the game to this point of the season – and come the last Saturday in September, it will be by far the biggest event of the year."
Speaking earlier this month, the AFL's CEO-elect Andrew Dillon had also strongly hinted towards his support for continuing with an afternoon Grand Final after describing last year's return to tradition as "really good".
The day was celebrated with a headline Grand Final entertainment act, with UK megastar Robbie Williams performing in the moments before Geelong secured its premiership success with an 81-point thrashing of Sydney.
Meanwhile, the Brownlow Medal will return to its traditional Monday evening timeslot in the week before the Grand Final, having been rearranged last year due to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's funeral.
What time will the 2023 Grand Final start?
AEST 2.30pm – ACT, NSW, QLD, TAS, VIC
ACST 2.00pm – NT, SA
AWST 12.30pm – WA
https://www.afl.com.au/news/927758/locked-in-afl-confirms-start-time-for-2023-grand-final