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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on September 02, 2007, 07:39:39 PM
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We might as well be positive about getting pick 2. Who knows we may have just gained a gun ballwinner we need. Welcome Trent :).
Trent Cotchin's profile
Clubs: Northern Knights/PEGS
D.O.B.: 7th April 1990
Hgt: 184cm
Wgt: 81kg
Natural Foot: Right (but very comfortable on his left)
His fitness testing at the AIS:
Player Hgt Wgt Skin SVJ RVJ 5m 10m 20m Agility Beep
T.Cotchin 183.4 79.6 43.7 71 83 1.12 1.76 2.96 8.37 13.5
Luke Ball 182.8 72.4 30.8 71 90 0.98 1.68 2.85 8.66 14.2
Brock McLean 183.4 85.9 53 58 69 1.05 1.80 3.03 8.61 14.3
Note: Cotchin's testing is at age 16 whilst Ball and McLean's were at 17.
RFC confident his acceleration (5m) and endurance (beep) will be equivalent to Ball and McLean's in October when Cotchin attends the draft camp giving him a very high speed/endurance rating.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=39864
TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262046
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welcome trent :cheers
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Kreuzer who!
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although Masten IMHO is still the player we need the most, cotchin will be a fantastic aquisition to our side.
fast, agile, well-built, quick between the ears and awesome kick on either side of the body
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Kreuzer who!
I know, we would have taken cotchin number 1 anyway ;D
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It is no big deal missing on the number 1 pick.
We have 3 picks in the first 20, we just need to make them all count.
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1) cotchin
2) rance/mcevoy/vezpremi/Selwood/Grimes with the PP and 2nd rnd pick
4) McGinnity.Normington
5) Neville
:pray
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Kreuzer who!
I know, we would have taken cotchin number 1 anyway ;D
And we will say that too :rollin
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i rate masten a better prospect and player
but what happens say the blues get cotchin 1st? no guarantees they will get kruezer first even thought though thats most likely
but say we had 1st pick, i dont think we woudl have gone for kruezer anyway, its been highlighted many times we want more hard midfielders
so masten or cotchin or even selwood could be in the mix
re what happens , we at least have bargaining power and a 1st pick in the psd.
we will bounce back ok next yr im sure of it
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masten is the type of player of need in preference to cotchin but cotchin is a class above masten.
He has the potential to be a star player whereas IMHO masten will become a more modest very good player in the haselby mould.
BTW hasleby might be coming to richmond through the PSD, let us all pray :pray
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masten is the type of player of need in preference to cotchin but cotchin is a class above masten.
He has the potential to be a star player whereas IMHO masten will become a more modest very good player in the haselby mould.
BTW hasleby might be coming to richmond through the PSD, let us all pray :pray
how old is haselby? i know he is a good player but im hoping someine better and yopunger pops up in the psd
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26 so has a good 5-6 years if he can overcome his back problems
would be fantastic for foley to have a partner in crime who can actually win the ball and dispose of it precisely, tucky I'm looking at you
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thought he was older, but if he is 26, thats the the age group we need, but i hope he does not want too much or we can trade tuck or cogs
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masten is the type of player of need in preference to cotchin but cotchin is a class above masten.
He has the potential to be a star player whereas IMHO masten will become a more modest very good player in the haselby mould.
BTW hasleby might be coming to richmond through the PSD, let us all pray :pray
yep..tend to agree with you on cotchin....can be a superstar....whereas masten will be quite a good player...
where did u get the rumour about hasleby from???..if true..that's good...we have enough speed in our midfield......hasleby will fit in well with his in and underwork with cogs, tuck and foley
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so what happens if the blues get cotchin
we should go 4 a masten or selwood
dont think big boys like kruezer grow up to be anything special, look at fraser at the skunks
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masten is the type of player of need in preference to cotchin but cotchin is a class above masten.
He has the potential to be a star player whereas IMHO masten will become a more modest very good player in the haselby mould.
BTW hasleby might be coming to richmond through the PSD, let us all pray :pray
yep..tend to agree with you on cotchin....can be a superstar....whereas masten will be quite a good player...
where did u get the rumour about hasleby from???..if true..that's good...we have enough speed in our midfield......hasleby will fit in well with his in and underwork with cogs, tuck and foley
Paul Haselby may be cut by Freo. A question mark over his back for other clubs interested in picking him up for free in the PSD.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22345325%255E19742,00.html
from Mr one-eyed in the PSD targets thread
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so what happens if the blues get cotchin
we should go 4 a masten or selwood
dont think big boys like kruezer grow up to be anything special, look at fraser at the skunks
Masten. In all honesty there is not a great deal of difference IMHO between him and McEvoy. Kreuzer has performed better on the big stage but McEvoy will be something special. If we can conjure up an earlier pick and snare him I'll be laughing all the way to the swiss bank with this steal
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Hasleby ???
what is with Richmond getting Fremantle players ???
Simmonds = very good
Polak = hmmmmm
Hasleby = ??? ... haven't seen much of him this year or last year
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I thought Ryan Murphy would be ok but Haselby would be another step up.
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Well this week we get to look at the players in full flight that many have spoke about as the best draft picks
Gippsland Power play the Northern Knights at Optus oval on Sunday 11.00am
Gippsland Power finishing champions but now its time for the real buisness
This will be a cracker game
Cotchin, Kreuzer, will be on display
keep eye on Blaser a strong body, good skills, kicks goals, can play most positions, & has tasted senior football from age 15 & goes in hard prepared to mix it without doing the Fiora ;D
the best medicine & recovery session for Greg Miller,
down there for a quick look before bolting off to for the Coburg game at Teac Oval ;D :cheers
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Cotchin the class of 2007
Emma Quayle | November 18, 2007
TRENT Cotchin played his final game of junior football two months ago, and closed his last year 12 exam booklet on Friday. Early next Saturday morning he'll find out where his new life, as an AFL footballer, will finally start.
In the meantime, the 17-year-old has headed to Echuca for a few days of sun and his first real break in what has been a busy year. "I can't wait," said Cotchin, who will have his good friend Matthew Kreuzer alongside as, back in Melbourne, Carlton decides which of the pair it will choose with its No. 1 draft pick.
"The season's gone by really fast, but there hasn't been much time to think about things.
"It'll be nice just to have a few days to get my head around what's happened this year, and get ready for what's coming. I'm looking forward to knowing where I'm heading, and starting out all over."
It was not immediately obvious that Cotchin, a northern suburbs boy who played his first game for the West Preston under-9s, was AFL material. He was the tiniest member of most his junior teams, and would tell his sisters he'd have to be as good as Tony Liberatore to make it.
Then he grew, and people started to notice he could kick well with both feet, kick goals, bring teammates into games and have a big say in which team won.
Last year, Cotchin became one of only a few 16-year-olds to win a place in the Northern Knights' TAC Cup team. He played six games, scored goals in each of the team's three finals and, on the Champion Data stats sheet, turned the ball over with just three of his 80-plus kicks.
This season, he captained the Australian under-17 team in a game against Perth on his 17th birthday, then toured South Africa with the AIS-AFL Academy. He played for his school, Essendon Grammar, in two winning finals, and for Vic Metro in the under-18 championships.
Ken Fletcher, the long-time coach of Essendon Grammar, knew as soon as he saw Cotchin booting balls in the school's gym last year that he had a good one on his hands, and now ranks the onballer ahead of Scott West and his own son, Dustin, as the best boy he's coached.
"He's going to be a 200-game player, no doubt," Fletcher said. "He's got to be lucky with injury, but he's just a very good talent and a very good person to go with it. It's a funny thing to say, because Westy's won eight best-and-fairests, but Trent's just got that something special.
"The really good players have got that ability to bring others into the game, and that's what I like about Trent. A lot of kids at the top level like to do it all themselves, but if someone's in the right position Trent will give it to them. That's going to be a really good thing for him later on."
Cotchin's season has not been an entirely smooth ride, though. The under-18 carnival, in particular, did not pan out how he'd hoped, with West Australian Patrick McGinnity tagging him out of the opening game at Subiaco and a knee injury ending his final match, against Vic Country, by half-time.
Back with the Knights by the end of the year, he freshened up and played his most dynamic games, only to break his foot in the third quarter of the preliminary final and watch his injury-stricken side let a five-goal lead, and a trip to the MCG on grand final day, slip away.
That he had come back to make a difference was made very clear to the Knights. "You could see there was this quiet desire and determination about him. He was on a mission," said Peter Kennedy, the club's regional manager.
"He had a desire to really show people what he was capable of, and he was probably best on ground in our first final. In the next game he had a player pick him up and he just shook him off and ran him ragged, and he was shaping up well in the last game until he broke his foot.
"He's just an outstanding talent, with his balance and his kicking. He hits targets all the time and his work ethic during games was just outstanding for us."
Cotchin, who is eligible for this year's draft by only a few weeks, embraced each challenge, tried to improve his endurance so that taggers got the message, and said the season had taught him that there are always ways to improve. "With every level you get to your footy has to go up, and I like that side of it. It gives you a better idea of what it takes to be a top-level footballer," he said.
"This year the games have become more intense, and you have to learn and train yourself to recover and back up every week. At times I've been frustrated, but it's been a really good year. I just look forward to the future now, and getting on with that. One more week and I'll know."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/cotchin-the-class-of-2007/2007/11/17/1194767026446.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Kotchin happy pressure is on mate
18 November 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Jackie Epstein
IF Matthew Kreuzer is king of the talls then Trent Cotchin is master of the midfielders.
The great mates, teammates and top prospects, are expected to be called first and second in Saturday's NAB national draft.
While they are competitive and playfully sledge each other - Kreuzer cops it most - there will be no one happier than Cotchin to see "Kreuze" take the spoils.
"I actually hope he goes No. 1 because it would be a bit of a let down if he didn't after the pressure that's been on him," Cotchin said.
"He is as good as everyone says. He's helped me by tapping it down. I played about six games with him (at Northern Knights) this year because of school footy, but I haven't been stressed.
"There's nowhere near the pressure on me compared with Kreuze.
"It's probably been a good thing he's in my side so he's taken the focus off everyone else."
But Cotchin has recruiters swooning over his class, balance, ability to read the play and adept kicking on both sides, so much so Collingwood recruiter Derek Hine rates him ahead of Kreuzer.
"He's a genuine midfielder," Hine said of the 184cm 17-year-old. "Kreuzer's going to be a really great player, but I'd personally have Cotchin at one."
With Richmond in the box seat it is fitting Cotchin's favourite player is Brett Deledio, whose poster hangs on his bedroom wall in Wollert, near Mernda.
Cotchin has spent a week at Punt Rd through the AIS/AFL Academy program and impressed everyone with his maturity and enthusiasm.
"I got to meet the boys in early January," Cotchin said.
"When I first started training at Richmond I was just like, 'ooh, these people are so much more superior compared to me'.
"And when you meet them they're just like a bunch of blokes, so you change your view and feel a part of it pretty quickly.
"Deledio and (Chris) Judd - they're my favourites. I try to play like them. Deledio took me under his wing a bit, so that put him up in my ratings.
"(Coach) Terry Wallace pretty much told me what he thought of me and my week at Richmond. He was pretty happy with how I went about it and gave me some pointers. Hopefully it helps me out a bit."
As much as Cotchin would love to stay in Melbourne he is not fussed where he goes to fulfil his dream.
Dad Peter was quoted as saying he didn't want his son to go to West Coast but Cotchin said he was misunderstood.
When two Eagles recruiters came to the family home they painted an impressive vision.
"Perth's a beautiful place," Cotchin said.
"It was more just the fact that I was going to be so far away from the family. It's not really the drugs because (dad) knows I have my head screwed on the right way."
Cotchin is so disinterested in partying he is avoiding schoolies celebrations this week. He finished exams on Friday and went to the family holiday house at Echuca with friends, including Kreuzer and teammate Jack Grimes.
The only setback was fracturing his ankle in the TAC Cup finals and missing the bulk of testing at the draft camp while on crutches.
"I had six weeks on crutches and it was pretty frustrating," Cotchin said.
"I felt that my fitness was a lot better than what it has been as well. I wanted to prove myself because some clubs were saying I had question marks over my tank.
"But towards the end of the season I felt I improved in that area and just wanted to give it a crack."
Instead Cotchin has had time to help his dad on their property, miss his girlfriend, who has been riding horses in Germany for five months, and, of course, concentrate on footy.
Mum Kath said he was determined at an early age.
"He is a good boy but he was a s--- of a kid," she said.
"From the time he got out of bed it was just go go go. And he always slept with his footy.
"The thought of him going to the other side of Australia . . . that's scary but that's what he wants to do and we're a really close family.
"We just want to know now."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22774757%255E19742,00.html
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Nice to here a kid would actually wants to come to us. Cale probably does too because of Mitch, but Trent actually wants to come here because of us. Sounds like TW was pretty impressed by him (if you believe what Trent says ;D Ego is not a dirty word) and since we have had him training at the club we should have a bit of an idea what we would be getting.
I have no idea what we are going to do. :help
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Kotchin happy pressure is on mate
??? ::)
lazy journalism just won't seem to go away
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Kotchin happy pressure is on mate
??? ::)
lazy journalism just won't seem to go away
And you expect anything else? Journalistic standards are a disgrace. You wonder if they have any pride in their work.
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Kotchin happy pressure is on mate
??? ::)
lazy journalism just won't seem to go away
And you expect anything else? Journalistic standards are a disgrace. You wonder if they have any pride in their work.
If its not sensationalist headlines to sell a paper its then stating the obvious or then toeing the AFL admins party line for the scoop at a later point in time. Garbage writing.
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Having seen Cotchin play it's hard to disagree with anything in the articles about him today. The bit about bringing teammates into play is so true. The kid has footy-smarts and has the slick skills to back those smarts up :thumbsup. A no-brainer IMO and as HT74 says he actually wants to play for us. What more do we want with our first pick ???.
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After going through this whole period looking at what we should pick and having been on the Cale Morton bandwagon because of his carnival, I now feel that we should just take the midfielder in Cotchin. He'll play 200 games, he seems like he does want to come to Richmond, so for the sake of it all, the risk free decision is to take Trent Cotchin- besides sometimes you have to just take the very good footballer instead of the hoped for superstar. Ive seen far to many potential champions come to Punt Rd and amount to nothing. So its Trent Cotchin at 2 for mine.
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After going through this whole period looking at what we should pick and having been on the Cale Morton bandwagon because of his carnival, I now feel that we should just take the midfielder in Cotchin. He'll play 200 games, he seems like he does want to come to Richmond, so for the sake of it all, the risk free decision is to take Trent Cotchin- besides sometimes you have to just take the very good footballer instead of the hoped for superstar. Ive seen far to many potential champions come to Punt Rd and amount to nothing. So its Trent Cotchin at 2 for mine.
:thumbsup another one one the cotchin bandwagon
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Kevin Sheahan on SEN this morning:
"When we saw Cotchin coming through especially last year, he was the best midfield talent we have seen since Chris Judd".
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Cale Morton might be a good player, but after reading all these articles, IMO we'd be mad to pass up Cotchin.
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Well after reading all that, Put me on the Cotchin Bandwagon. I was pushing towards Cale with his height & KPP potential but someone of
Trent's ability to unselfishly bring players into a game is incredibly exciting and something we have really missed at our club since players like Brodders retired.
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Benny Hinn couldn't do so many conversions in one day :lol
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/bennyhinn.jpg)
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Kevin Sheahan on SEN this morning:
"When we saw Cotchin coming through especially last year, he was the best midfield talent we have seen since Chris Judd".
Cale Morton might be a good player, but after reading all these articles, IMO we'd be mad to pass up Cotchin.
if cotchin is this good, then surely th eblues will change their minds and pick him at one
they will then have 2 judds in their team
we may just get kruezer
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Benny Hinn couldn't do so many conversions in one day :lol
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/bennyhinn.jpg)
MT, you should lobby for Parliament! :lol
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Reading the weekend papers it sometimes feels like the media are daring us to take Morton over Cotchin or vice versa so they can say "oh the Tigers have stuffed up"
I reckon we should just flip a coin Saturday morning ;D
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I'm on the Cotchin bandwagon as well.
I got very excited after reading that article. VERY excited. :-[
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Reading the weekend papers it sometimes feels like the media are daring us to take Morton over Cotchin or vice versa so they can say "oh the Tigers have stuffed up"
I reckon we should just flip a coin Saturday morning ;D
we should sell TV right to the coin toss. Its gotta be worth 50k atleast.
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it will sound like this Saturday 24th November 2007 ...
Demetriou: "Selection Two, Richmond"
Miller: "Player Number 112015 Trent Cotchin Northern Knights"
blah blah blah blah blab blah blah blah ...
plus ...
Kevin Rudd PM !
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plus ...
Kevin Rudd PM !
God help us all if that happens!! :chuck
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plus ...
Kevin Rudd PM !
God help us all if that happens!! :chuck
I reckon it's gonna happen tiga - certainty
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plus ...
Kevin Rudd PM !
God help us all if that happens!! :chuck
I reckon it's gonna happen tiga - certainty
A decision made by 13 million people is a certainty while a decision made by 2 or 3 people is a coin toss. Only could happen at Richmond ;D.
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Reading the weekend papers it sometimes feels like the media are daring us to take Morton over Cotchin or vice versa so they can say "oh the Tigers have stuffed up"
I reckon we should just flip a coin Saturday morning ;D
The pressure should be on Carlton - Kreuzer or Cotchin.
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The pressure should be on Carlton - Kreuzer or Cotchin.
They may go for Cotchin - I can see it now the great one (aka Chris Judd) saying no go for the kid everyone says is like meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :help
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:)
Trent Cotchin – Northern Knights, VIC, 185.6 cm, 79.5 kg, DOB 7/4/90
Honours
Vic Metro representative - NAB AFL Under-18 Championships 2007
AIS-AFL Academy graduate
Kevin Sheehan, AFL National Talent Manager says…
“Trent had an injury through the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, but finished in fantastic form at the Northern Knights until he had a foot fracture. He showed wonderful ball-winning ability with 38 possessions in finals games under heavy watch because he’s such a highly-credentialed player. He took all of the pressures of being heavily tagged and produced some excellent performances throughout the finals.
“He’s 185cm, so he’s not your small midfielder. He’s going to end up as a good bodied, inside midfielder that’s got attributes like a young Gary Ablett Jr through traffic; he’s able to swerve through, spot targets, his hands and feet are very, very good. He kicks brilliantly on his left and right side – he’s a natural right footer – but his use of the football separates him from many of the other players.
“He’s quite brilliant around goal and he can take the contested mark, he can stand on their shoulders at times, so he’s a very gifted, very quick, inside, medium midfielder.”
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huge welcome to Trent :thumbsup :gotigers
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Cotchin about to be interviewed on SEN after the ad break. Turn on 1116 AM.
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Cotchin about to be interviewed on SEN after the ad break. Turn on 1116 AM.
i want cotchin not rodney eade :banghead :lol
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For Moi lol
(http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/main/18741.jpg)
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:woohoo
Welcome Trent :thumbsup
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The knights did well didn't they?
4 picks in the top 14!
Go Trent, Go Tiges and go the Knights!!
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Cothin's dad will be so relieved! See the Eagles pinched the youngest Selwood boy.
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Name: Trent Cotchin
DOB: 7/04/1990
Height: 185cm.1
Weight: 79.5kg
Recruited From: NORTHERN KNIGHTS
Position: Medium midfielder
Bio: Well balanced and creative player with rare kicking skills on both sides of his body. Great ball winner who is good overhead and around goal. Vic Metro U18 representative and AIS/AFL Academy graduate.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=53736
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Our boy in Y&B :thumbsup
(http://sportal.com.au/site/_content/leadimage/00012952-image.jpg)
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Miller from sportal:
"We are very pleased to get a class midfielder who is going to add to a great list of young players we have got at our footy club," Miller said of Cotchin.
"We have had our eye on Trent for two years and he spent a week with us in the AIS program in January."
"So we have known Trent for the whole year and we saw in January what sort of young man he is."
"He is an inside and outside player and he can play all parts of the game," Miller said.
"He is equally balanced on both sides of his body and those sorts of attributes are important."
"He has got to get some rehab first and get through summer training but he has definitely got the ability to play round one," Miller said.
Link. (http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/AFL-news-display/tigers-two-year-plan-pays-off-39304)
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Cotchin from sportal
Cotchin said he was thrilled to be going to Richmond and to be staying in Melbourne.
"I am pretty close to the family and happy to be here (in Melbourne) still," he said.
"I would love to play round one but I have got a lot of challenges ahead first though."
"I got off crutches two weeks ago and am slowly increasing the workload at the moment so hopefully I am running shortly," he said.
"Everyone is learning down there [Punt Rd] still and I am looking forward to learning and getting started," Cotchin said.
"I was down there for a week early in the year and it was a really good experience and that will be helpful for when I get down there (full-time)."
Link (http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/AFL-news-display/tigers-two-year-plan-pays-off-39304)
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Cotchin's 2007 TAC Cup stats
2007 6 games
vs Geelong Falcons 27 possies
vs Queensland 34 possies 2 goals 6 bhds
vs Dandy Stingrays 25 possies 4 goals 3 bhds
vs Bendigo Pioneers 21 possies 2 goals 2 bhds
vs Geelong Falcons 34 possies
vs Gippsland Power 37 possies 1 goal 2 bhds
vs Calder Cannons 18 possies in a half (the final he broke his foot)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413270 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413270)
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Cotchin's 2007 TAC Cup stats
2007 6 games
vs Geelong Falcons 27 possies
vs Queensland 34 possies 2 goals 6 bhds
vs Dandy Stingrays 25 possies 4 goals 3 bhds
vs Bendigo Pioneers 21 possies 2 goals 2 bhds
vs Geelong Falcons 34 possies
vs Gippsland Power 37 possies 1 goal 2 bhds
vs Calder Cannons 18 possies in a half (the final he broke his foot)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413270 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413270)
Dear god! The boy is a ball magnet. Absolute freak!
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Our boy in Y&B :thumbsup
(http://sportal.com.au/site/_content/leadimage/00012952-image.jpg)
looks photoshopped ;)
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Impressive stats
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mt is on an almighty chubby!
:thumbsup
his boy is a tiger!
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mt is on an almighty chubby!
:thumbsup
his boy is a tiger!
wo wo wo there X
cotchin is as much my boy as he is MT's ;)
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mt is on an almighty chubby!
:thumbsup
his boy is a tiger!
wo wo wo there X
cotchin is as much my boy as he is MT's ;)
Yep the converting has been a team effort bluey :thumbsup :lol
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mt is on an almighty chubby!
:thumbsup
his boy is a tiger!
wo wo wo there X
cotchin is as much my boy as he is MT's ;)
Yep the converting has been a team effort bluey :thumbsup :lol
always a pleasure working with you MT :thumbsup
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I am happier after this than any draft in years.
This kid is an absolute gun.
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Junior teammates, then friends, now rivals
Steve Butler | November 26, 2007 | The Age
IT WAS on this balcony on a July day six years ago that a deep football friendship was born and two families dared to dream.
Matthew Kreuzer and Trent Cotchin were barely blips on the AFL radar when they met in 2001 as teammates in Victoria's under-12 team for a carnival at Albury.
But on Saturday, they were officially stamped as football's hottest new talents when the two close mates were snapped up at the head of the 2007 AFL draft.
Yesterday their respective fathers, Frank and Peter, sat on the same front balcony at the Cotchin family farm in Wollert, on Melbourne's northern fringe, as they did on the day the Albury carnival finished all those years ago.
Their joint dream has grown stronger with each successive representative team selection.
The lofty Kreuzers are the physical opposites of the more stocky Cotchins. The two boys are separated in age by almost a year, but their friendship is seamless, their will to achieve flawless and the earthy attitudes of their families a perfect foundation.
Peter Cotchin said that fateful meeting on his front porch would never be forgotten as both families settled in yesterday for the sporting ride of their lives.
"We struck up our friendship up at Albury because we were on a bit of common ground, I suppose," he recalled.
"When we came back we stood on this veranda and Frank just said to me, 'Mate, how good would it be if both of our kids played AFL one day?' I told him there was a long way to go yet, but yesterday was the day.
"It's been an unbelievable journey and an enjoyable journey, but as the boys got older it got pretty serious and it was hard watching them get tagged every week to try and shut them down.
"Everyone thinks their kid is the best kid going around, a lot of the parents don't talk any more and it's almost like a dog-eat-dog thing.
"There's nothing you can do as a parent apart from sit back and enjoy the ride and our friendship has been great."
The two families had partied apart into the early hours of yesterday morning, but were still buzzing when they came together just a few hours later when coffees were immediately followed by a beer.
But Kreuzer snr said the reality of their draft dream was still hazy, particularly as the 2008 season kicks off at the MCG on March 20 in a match between the two teams who selected their sons.
"The first thing Peter said to me was 'first game next year is Carlton and Richmond — your boy touches my boy, look out'," he laughed.
"When we got home from Telstra Dome on Saturday we were still asking ourselves whether it had really happened.
"We're just stoked and our feet haven't really touched the ground yet."
Both draftees were yesterday keeping a humble lid on their lot as the reality of their careers beckoned.
But Kreuzer revealed his clearly competitive streak when asked about an AFL debut that might be as early as round one.
"We've both got to try and get a game first and we'll see what happens. It will be weird, but if the ball's there, the ball's there and I'll be getting it," he said.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/junior-teammates-now-rivals/2007/11/25/1195975870019.html
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mt is on an almighty chubby!
:thumbsup
his boy is a tiger!
wo wo wo there X
cotchin is as much my boy as he is MT's ;)
deledio will be shattered, he thought he was ur only boy! :lol
if he has a bad season nect yr, we will know why ;D
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mt is on an almighty chubby!
:thumbsup
his boy is a tiger!
wo wo wo there X
cotchin is as much my boy as he is MT's ;)
deledio will be shattered, he thought he was ur only boy! :lol
if he has a bad season nect yr, we will know why ;D
i still love lids X ;) :lol
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Lids, Cotchin, Foley, Blingers, Polo, Connors and hopefully Cogs .... The makings of a strong midfield in the next few years :thumbsup
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IMO reckon that Foley, Cogs and Richie will make up our starting centre square players. Cotchin and Edwards to play off wings with Lids playing probably off the HFF
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LOWDOWN ON THE TIGERS' 2008 RECRUITS
RFC email
TRENT COTCHIN: Draft pick No 2
Recruited from: Northern Knights/Essendon Grammar
Born: 7/04/90
Height: 185cm
Weight: 79.5kg
Could easily have been the No. 1 pick in this year's National Draft, and the Tigers were absolutely delighted to grab him at No. 2. Exciting, versatile, medium-sized midfielder, capable of influencing games with his ball-winning ability, explosive pace and superb disposal. Has an excellent understanding of the game and is a quality decision-maker. A penetrating kick, who has rare ball skills on both sides of his body. Dominated with 37 possessions in the Northern Knights' 2007 qualifying final against Gippsland. Possesses fine composure and a maturity far beyond his years. An outstanding prospect, who seems set to thrill the Yellow
and Black faithful for many years.
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Lids, Cotchin, Foley, Blingers, Polo, Connors and hopefully Cogs .... The makings of a strong midfield in the next few years :thumbsup
Looks fantastic on paper hopefully it can be replicated on the ground.
I have not been this optimistic for ages.
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The Age just a couple of weeks behind :wallywink
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Tigers' No. 1 hope gets coveted No. 9
Geoff McClure
December 11, 2007
WE HAVE already seen Essendon's Brent Stanton unveiled as the man given the monumental task of wearing the No. 5 made famous by the recently retired Bomber champion James Hird, Andrejs Everitt get Chris Grant's No. 3 at the Western Bulldogs and Michael Firrito given the honour of donning the Kangaroo No. 11 worn by Shinboner of the Century Glenn Archer.
Now standby for another huge announcement regarding famous AFL guernsey numbers. As an indication of the big wraps that Richmond has on its prized recruit, No. 2 draft pick Trent Cotchin, the Tigers will bestow him with the honour of donning its No. 9 jumper, which has been in mothballs since its former captain and four-times best-and-fairest player Wayne Campbell retired at the end of 2005.
And it truly is an honour. Apart from 2004 when he wore No. 17 as part of a decision that the Tigers' captain should carry that number as a tribute to club legend Jack Dyer, and his debut year in 1991 when he wore 46, Campbell wore No. 9 for 266 games over 13 seasons, a record at the time for that number jumper at any AFL club (although it has since been bettered by Hawthorn star Shane Crawford).
http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/tigers-no-1-hope-gets-coveted-no-9/2007/12/10/1197135375642.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Trent Cotchin got through half a game today in the Coburg Reserves.
He started on the ball and was switching between the ball, forward and then onto the bench for two qtrs.
He looks a very likely player showed a great footy brain and also some great skills in the half he played.
Trent said that he felt great and wanted to play more but he wasnt allowed to (Coditioning staff orders)
The next few weeks should be very exciting as he starts stepping it up.
If your not busy next Saturday it will be worth the drive to Port Melbourne to see him play.
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Thanks TFL. Hopefully he will pull up fine and be right for next week.
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Trent Cotchin got through half a game today in the Coburg Reserves.
He started on the ball and was switching between the ball, forward and then onto the bench for two qtrs.
He looks a very likely player showed a great footy brain and also some great skills in the half he played.
Trent said that he felt great and wanted to play more but he wasnt allowed to (Coditioning staff orders)
The next few weeks should be very exciting as he starts stepping it up.
If your not busy next Saturday it will be worth the drive to Port Melbourne to see him play.
What time do they play
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Reserves start at 11.10.
I assume that he will play Reserves again next week and until he can get through a full game. Then he will playe Coburg Seniors once his forms warrants which shouldnt take long from todays performance. Hopefully he is playing for Richmond in about 6 wks.
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I will feel alot better about life when Richmond are playing:
C: Cotchin Cogs Deledio
R: Patto Tambling Foley
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When Connors, Cotchin, Collins and Casserley are all fit and strong enough to be playing every week we will be in better shape.
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Trent Cotchin got through half a game today in the Coburg Reserves.
He started on the ball and was switching between the ball, forward and then onto the bench for two qtrs.
He looks a very likely player showed a great footy brain and also some great skills in the half he played.
Trent said that he felt great and wanted to play more but he wasnt allowed to (Coditioning staff orders)
The next few weeks should be very exciting as he starts stepping it up.
If your not busy next Saturday it will be worth the drive to Port Melbourne to see him play.
Cheers for that TFL :cheers. Sure but steady for Cotch although he hasn't had a preseason so even if he eventually plays seniors this year he won't really be match fit until 2009.
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I will feel alot better about life when Richmond are playing:
C: Cotchin Cogs Deledio
R: Patto Tambling Foley
like the sound of that.....perhaps even swap Patto for Natanui?...haha...Patto as the backup ruck would be ideal...that has the potential of being a really formidable midfield when things all pan out....maybe also with connors, newman, edwards, collins chipping in....
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Ch 10 sports report:
Young tiger Cotchin is a chance to debut against the Cats. They then cut to Wallace saying Cotch's second half was excellent.
Make of that what you will.
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Ch 10 sports report:
Young tiger Cotchin is a chance to debut against the Cats. They then cut to Wallace saying Cotch's second half was excellent.
Make of that what you will.
Still can't see it. I could very easily be proven wrong but I reckon he is still 2-3 weeks away - minimum. I don't reckon they will play him until his fitness is good enough to play 4 hard quarters for Coburg.
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In would be a mistake IMHO to throw him in against the Cats. Not only in he not match fit or played in Coburgs best as yet, he is still only a skinny kid who will be targeting and exposed by a very physically strong, skilled and confident team.
Better to bring him in against the Dons where his size will not be such an issue and he can have another week to develop his fitness and confidence. The Dons are trying to play a running style, similiar to ourselves, and have a lot of smaller sized players through the middle which Cotch would be able to compete and, hopefully, expose with his polish.
At least another week for mine...but I'm not the one making the decisions am I. :shh
Stripes
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no player should be given a game unless he has deserved it & proved himself at Coburg
His done none of that & would be unfair to other players
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Would suggest that he is more likely to debut at the Dreamtime game. :pray
Should have a fitness base by then to play at least 65% of game time.
Saw the Coburg v Pies game on DVD and is clearly a talent, probably needs to play more footy against men, however just oozes quality in his disposal and will quickly become a class above VFL level.
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Sometimes players rated highly like Cotchin will perform better at AFL level than at VFL level because they like the faster game & skills even that they have smaller body, as long as they keep moving, they lessen the chances of being hit ;D
Players like McMahon who stand still & walk watching his team-mates do the hard stuff & 1%'ers often get hit hard ;D as you have all noticed
Players like Kingy always moving also give a better chance to nail someone like a McMahon ;D
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play Cotchin !
he was in the bests for Coburg 3 weeks ago. 2nd best behind that joel bowden. we lost that match.
how is the progression on Rance ?
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Rance done nothing last week, he is long way off :thumbsup
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cotchin deserves it and is ready
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As much as he would learn more from a baptism of fire from Geelong, there's no rush to make his debut as much as we'd all like to see it. I'm with Darth. Unleash him on Essendon :thumbsup.
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from the Herald-Sun.....
Another solid performance by No. 2 draft pick Trent Cotchin in the VFL curtain-raiser at the MCG would enhance his chances to make his debut in the Dreamtime clash against Essendon the following Saturday night.
But Wallace is mindful of Cotchin's late start to the season. "We'll see him when he's ready to play," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23701132-19742,00.html
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he is ready i tells ya
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does anyone know how Rance is going?
havent heard about him that much. is he slow in his progress or what...
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rance is going steady steady, was a bit lost at vfl level last week, but im sure its an experience and confidence issue
he will be fine
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does anyone know how Rance is going?
havent heard about him that much. is he slow in his progress or what...
Rance played against Geelong in the VFL. Only saw him a couple of times. Looks young and has a bit to learn. I was surprised how slight he looked considering a lot of people were saying his body was ready for AFL, not a stick figure but definitely still a teenager. Cotchin looks much more mature. As TM said earlier, looks a long way off AFL. I only watched the TV coverage so I couldn't tell you what his efforts off the ball were like. Didn't do anything terrible but was brushed off a couple of times with relative ease. Boy playing a man's game. Needs another pre season.
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rance is going steady steady, was a bit lost at vfl level last week, but im sure its an experience and confidence issue
he will be fine
Oh, don't take my last post as a negative. X is right, he looks like he'll be just fine at this stage.
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Rance done nothing last week, he is long way off :thumbsup
Had a sore quad last Saturday:
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=8207
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i would play him this week
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A snippet from sportal
After having his pre-season ruined by injury, prized recruit Trent Cotchin, who has played three matches for Coburg at VFL level, was now at 90 percent match fitness, Royal said.
"The more he plays back at that level the better he's going to be for his first game at AFL level, whenever that may be," he said.
Full article at:
http://sportal.com.au/AFL-news-display/bowden-to-play-a-different-role-48534
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Hypothetically, say we BEAT Geelong tomorrow and suffer no injuries and in the curtain raiser Cotchin gathers 40 touches and kicks 3-4 goals.
Do we change the team at all?
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Hypothetically, say we BEAT Geelong tomorrow and suffer no injuries and in the curtain raiser Cotchin gathers 40 touches and kicks 3-4 goals.
Do we change the team at all?
Cotchin still comes in because hypothetically there could still be a player not pulling his weight. ;D
However if all players do their job it will be interesting.
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Cotchin hopefully to play vs Essendon.
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Hypothetically, say we BEAT Geelong tomorrow and suffer no injuries and in the curtain raiser Cotchin gathers 40 touches and kicks 3-4 goals.
Do we change the team at all?
Cotchin still comes in because hypothetically there could still be a player not pulling his weight. ;D
However if all players do their job it will be interesting.
If all 22 players tomorrow do their job, perform well and we beat Geelong then Cotch has to wait as much as we want to see him debut. It's a team game. Having said that Geelong are clear favourites so I think Cotch will debut against the Bombers.
On Rance, Rawlings in EOTT was happy with his game last week.
Alex Rance
Showed significant improvement in just his second game of senior VFL football. A strong competitor, who also gave us good run off the half-back line.
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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A promising debut for Trent :clapping. 16 possies, 2 goals (should have been 3 :-\ ) and didn't look out of place in the big time.
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Arghhhh the future :thumbsup
:gotigers
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AFL player, wont play @ coburg again, he has got it :thumbsup :gotigers
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he looks the goods doesn't he.
was so impressed with his efforts today.
big thumbs up!!!
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Yep! I'd also have to agree. He had a great debut. :thumbsup Actually moves a bit like GAjr. Watching both in the same game it was easy to see the comparison. I think Wisbey actually once said he's in a similar mould to GAjr.
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How a coach helped Cotchin out of a jam
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
8:14 PM Sat 17 May, 2008
MANY things go into making up a successful AFL debut, but you don't often hear about jam sandwiches being one of them.
Richmond's Trent Cotchin had just finished the warm-up for a match with VFL side Coburg on Saturday morning when he was told to get his footy gear off and warm down again – he was going to play in the AFL a few hours later instead.
Cotchin, 18, was taken at number two in last year's NAB AFL National Draft, but a series of injuries kept him on the sidelines until a couple of months ago, when a string of good performances in the VFL put him back in the spotlight.
"I did the warm-up with Coburg, so I was ready to play for them, and I was looking forward to getting out in the wet, because that's one of my favourite games, as the ball's always on the ground," Cotchin said.
"We came back in from the warm-up, and one of the coaches said, ‘You may as well get your gear back on, because you're a chance to play in the ones’."
Coach Terry Wallace told the youngster just to reset himself for the game in the afternoon.
"I spoke to Plough (Wallace) and he just said if you need to leave, just go away and relax your mind and come back and prepare for your game again.
“So I went back to Punt Road, and the conditioning coach got me a couple of jam sandwiches because I hadn't pre-made my lunch, so I had them and did a couple of ice-baths just to cool myself off and get ready again."
With his initial touch at the top level, Cotchin joined that ever-expanding club of players who've kicked a goal with their first kick in AFL footy.
"The first kick? It was a bit of battler, but it got through, so it was OK," he said with a laugh. "That was my job, to crumb, so I got front and centre and took the opportunity, and it was good.
"Obviously you're very nervous before the game, but once you get into it, you just feel like you're playing another match of footy.
"It's very different – it's a lot quicker, and even the ball use ... [was] better than Coburg, and it was a wet day. I enjoyed it."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=59768
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the Cotch has arrived Hallelujah
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Strong legs.
Bottom half look solid,unlike Richo :lol
Knows he's good and even got in a dustup for a moment.
The type of player we all want Deledio to become.
Watch this space.
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Richmond surprise has a ball
Jon Pierik | May 18, 2008 12:00am
TRENT Cotchin was warming up to play for Coburg in the VFL curtain-raiser at the MCG yesterday when he was given an unexpected tap on the shoulder.
Suddenly, he was to make his AFL debut a few hours later against Geelong at the same venue.
But the 18-year-old's unconventional build-up to his first senior game did not end there.
The second pick, behind Carlton's Matthew Kreuzer, in last year's national draft was forced to make a mad dash from the MCG to Tiger headquarters at Punt Rd to wolf down some jam sandwiches as he had not come prepared with his lunch.
The Tigers knew they had missed a potential public relations bonanza as greater awareness of Cotchin's debut might have attracted more than the 37,275 to the ground, but coach Terry Wallace did not care.
"As we said, it was a last-minute decision," Wallace said.
"It's very difficult to always be the marketing tool of the club. Sometimes you have to be the footy entity of the club."
On that front, Wallace, and Cotchin, had much to be proud of after the former Northern Knight finished with 16 possessions and two goals.
"I wasn't too nervous before the game. Once you get out there it's pretty exciting," Cotchin said.
"Once you get into it, you're just playing another match of footy - a bit quicker."
Starting on the half-forward line, Cotchin was the centre of attention in only the third minute of the match when he swooped on a loose ball that spilled from a pack and dribbled through a goal with his first kick.
There could have been few better ways to launch a career and the goal lifted the confidence of Cotchin and the Tigers.
"That was my job, to crumb, get front and centre, and take the opportunity. It was good, all the boys got around," Cotchin said.
If that was not enough, three minutes later Cotchin's clever tap-on 15m from goal allowed Brett Deledio to run on and soccer through the Tigers' second goal.
As the afternoon progressed, Cotchin also spent time on the ball in what was an impressive debut full of poise against a side he had passionately supported as a junior.
There was only one blemish - a botched shot at goal from 3m out when he tried to snap the ball through rather than use a simple drop punt.
"The boys just said don't worry," Cotchin said.
Indeed, Cotchin is happy to be running around now after dealing with foot stress fractures and an achilles tendon over summer.
Wallace said Cotchin - and the Tigers - had a lot to look forward to.
"He has only had four weeks of footy and didn't really have a pre-season," Wallace said.
"The thing that he is not handling 100 per cent at the moment is the run and spread of the game because he just doesn't have the legs at the moment.
"The thing that he has been really good at - his ball use - has been fantastic at VFL level and certainly his stoppage work has been fantastic."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23715589-19742,00.html
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TOLD YOU HE WAS READY! ;D
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Yes you did.
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your welcome
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What a gun! Now all Richmond fans know why he got such massive raps as a junior.
The thing that stands out like a sore thumb with Trent is how good his kicking is. Everything hit its target, except that botched shot on goal. This is where Trent belongs, playing with the big boys. Class, superb decision making, kicking skills and youth, exactly what needs to be injected into our side.
Go Trent! :gotigers
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No doubt that Cotchin showed that he belongs at AFL level, however just worries that he does not have the fitness base.
Will be interested to see how he goes second start after a heavy track - hopefully no soft tissue injuries are lurking.
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No doubt that Cotchin showed that he belongs at AFL level, however just worries that he does not have the fitness base.
Will be interested to see how he goes second start after a heavy track - hopefully no soft tissue injuries are lurking.
May be a concern in the short-term but long-term will be fine IMO
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he is fit enough, has played what 4 / 5 weeks now, is young , hard at it and wants it
he will be our best player within 2 yrs
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great debut by cotchin..keep it up...
he's fit enough to play seniors....but perhaps not in the middle the whole game....hence he spends a portion of his game time resting in the forwardline....(where he's mighty impressive too).....
would have liked him to receive much more fanfare in his debut but just not to be......still....a debut game against the reining premiers where he did more than enough is a good sign....would give him great confidence too that he can match it with the big boys whilst not getting too ahead of himself.....game like this is worth 20 games of experience i reckon...
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just play he ...
he will be our champion ...
mark my words ...
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No doubt that Cotchin showed that he belongs at AFL level, however just worries that he does not have the fitness base.
Will be interested to see how he goes second start after a heavy track - hopefully no soft tissue injuries are lurking.
May be a concern in the short-term but long-term will be fine IMO
No surprise Cotch doesn't have the fitness base as he couldn't train from mid-September last year to March this year thanks to that broken ankle he injured in the TAC Cup PF. He's had no preseason whatsoever.
Cotch would've learnt heaps from Saturday. Confidence that he can mix it at this level with the best but also that midfielders of the quality and experience of Joel Corey can do a fair bit of damage in 10 minutes.
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Cotchin = turbo charged Luke Hodge
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Cotch got a segment to himself on Footy Classified. Loved the vision of the don't argue and the one arm fend off on Scarlett :thumbsup.
Hutchy mentioned how Carlton saw him as the potential No.1 draft pick but had settle on the taller Kreuzer.
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not one mention of him "on the couch"
tossers
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not one mention of him "on the couch"
tossers
missed all them shows last night l crashed early after my heavy footy weekend ;D
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not one mention of him "on the couch"
tossers
Yeah, not a mention of us at all - a tiny bit on Geelong and that was it. Oh, well keep under the radar and take 'em by surprise.
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not one mention of him "on the couch"
tossers
Yeah, not a mention of us at all - a tiny bit on Geelong and that was it. Oh, well keep under the radar and take 'em by surprise.
Exactly, who gives a toss if he doesn't get a mention from the media, Foley went ages without the media attention and was still a gun. If we know and believe they are guns that is all that is needed :thumbsup
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Just been watching the Carlton vs Fremantle game.
I am so happy we have Cotch rather than Judd.
Sure Judd's terrific, there is no doubting he is a champion. But watching Cotch I have no doubt this boy is going to be a good one. It's been a long while since I have seen a young player who looks so comfortable at AFL level from his first game. In the long run we are going to get far more useful service from him than we would have from Judd.
:thumbsup
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the cotch will be better than judd, mark it down
his dad pushed him to the limits so bad, he was one of those dimir dokic type dads that really pushed his kid. he is so bad that he has been banned from being at the club , even at training and cotch moved out of home and with is with sugar now. all those things he did for trent early was good, but it is time for him to let go of his son and develop at a professional club
the kid is awsome, is a freak, spoke to a mate of his who played with him at tac level and said that trent was just so far superior than anyone .
he will become a star and there will be alot of manlove for the cotch in coming yrs
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the cotch will be better than judd, mark it down
his dad pushed him to the limits so bad, he was one of those dimir dokic type dads that really pushed his kid. he is so bad that he has been banned from being at the club , even at training and cotch moved out of home and with is with sugar now. all those things he did for trent early was good, but it is time for him to let go of his son and develop at a professional club
the kid is awsome, is a freak, spoke to a mate of his who played with him at tac level and said that trent was just so far superior than anyone .
he will become a star and there will be alot of manlove for the cotch in coming yrs
Sounds like The Morton's dad.
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Watch out 2009 and beyond when Cotch has actually had a preseason and can play for more than just spurts. His awareness of where others are and his ability to execute cleanly is something special as Bruce would say.
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Traded Tambling out of my supercoach for cotch, he will match Tamlbing, saved me $$$ and got a swap Kozshitske for Cox
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His handball which resulted in Whites goal in 1st 1/4 was loverly.
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He only had 14 possies but it sounded like Cotch wasn't our worse by any means today. A good footy lesson to learn from the Swans too.
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He's the only one in the team that when he gets it, you're confident he'll use it correctly.
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He's the only one in the team that when he gets it, you're confident he'll use it correctly.
Yep and you're confident he knows what to do with it. How many times were some of his teammates in two minds yesterday :P.
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Plough loves the Cotch in EOTT....
The young man was playing in a one-sided game against very tough opponents, who never allow you to win an easy ball, yet he finished with the second-most contested possessions in our team and showed really good touch.
The one thing I like about young ‘Cotch’ is he knows how to win his own footy and doesn’t wait for others to do the job for him.
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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A rare positive to come out of the game. Made a few mistakes by hand trying to take them on but at least ran to the right spots and tried to bring others into the game. Surely would be the rising star nomination this week up to half-time. Hopefully our insipidness doesn't cost him the nomination.
Ken Fletcher coached him as a junior. David King just asked him on 3aw if he had any more because we need them lol.
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What a class act this kid is.
Already better than Tambling ::)
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His first half was superb.
He is the future :pray :thumbsup
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What a class act this kid is.
Already better than Tambling ::)
You cant compare the two, he is miles ahead of Tambling already. Richie tries hard, not going to cut it.
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Cotchin rated 'super talent'
Tony Sheahan | June 08, 2008 12:00am
FORMER Adelaide Crows captain Chris McDermott rated Trent Cotchin's first half yesterday as up there among the best two quarters played by a young player.
McDermott, a champion midfielder in his own right, was clearly impressed by Cotchin's skill level in only his fourth appearance for the Tigers.
"That's as good a first half as I've seen from a kid in a long time," he said.
"He gets the ball in good spots, he's got ripper vision and wants the footy which is a great sense for a kid to have.
"He's got a cool head and he's probably a little bit unselfish at the moment.
"He could probably do a little bit more . . . but gee, he is a super talent.
"That's as good an effort as I've seen from a four-game player."
Cotchin has had a limited pre-season due to a severe ankle injury, and did fade out of the game in the second half.
"His engine's probably let him down," McDermott said.
"He couldn't fire a shot in the second half and we know that's a problem because he didn't have a pre-season but, gee when he gets fit.
"There aren't too many weaknesses in his game."
Cotchin was the game's standout player in the first quarter and kicked an early goal as Richmond grabbed the ascendancy.
The Crows were on the ropes with nowhere to hide.
After finding the ball in heavy traffic on the MCC wing, Cotchin weaved and evaded like a 200-gamer.
He was forced on to his left foot to set up the Tigers' fourth goal.
"It was a case of I can do this and no one can catch me," McDermott said.
"I like the fact he's got a little bit of cockiness about him."
Three minutes later Cotchin came off the ground as part of a midfield rotation.
The Richmond faithful stood and applauded the teenager as if there was 14 minutes remaining in the match, not the first quarter.
At such an early point in the game, Melbourne legend Garry Lyon lauded him as,"The best of the current crop of kids."
Cotchin is a very confident kid. He was chosen by the Tigers at No.2 in the 2007 national draft behind Matthew Kruezer, and is a readymade addition to the Tigers' midfield.
Cotchin filled the hole left by his captain Kane Johnson who is sidelined due to injury.
"I just got to the right spots and the boys have faith in me and gave it to me," Cotchin said after the game.
Asked whether he was surprised to be playing a pivotal role in the midfield so soon, Cotchin replied: "Yeah a little bit, I was led to believe I would play a little more forward but, now that I'm in the midfield I'm loving it."
The young Tiger said he was still coming to terms with the lift in tempo from the VFL.
"The pace is a lot different, it's really quick and fitness becomes very important," he said.
"I feel like I'm getting better every game, so I've just got to keep improving."
Cotchin's foray into the big league has been slower than Richmond would have liked but he now feels he is starting to belong.
"I didn't get much of a pre-season so it's been tough on the body," Cotchin said.
"Against every side you have an opponent but you don't really think of their names, otherwise you're in trouble.
"I was overawed in my first game but now I just take it as it comes."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23828690-19742,00.html
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for once the recruiters got it right, this lad has great skills & is confident
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Forgive my ignorance, has Cothin been nominated for the nab rising star yet. If not he should for yesterdays performance. If he plays the rest of the season, what chance is he to win it?
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Hasn't been nomintated I don't think.
But he has a good chance this week
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And if he plays for the rest of the season, if yesterday's form is anything to go by he will win it by a country mile.
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Forgive my ignorance, has Cothin been nominated for the nab rising star yet. If not he should for yesterdays performance. If he plays the rest of the season, what chance is he to win it?
No hasnt yet,
Will be this week surely.
The media have a love affair with Rhys Palmer so that's the major challenge along with Cyril Rioli.
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Forgive my ignorance, has Cothin been nominated for the nab rising star yet. If not he should for yesterdays performance. If he plays the rest of the season, what chance is he to win it?
No hasnt yet,
Will be this week surely.
The media have a love affair with Rhys Palmer so that's the major challenge along with Cyril Rioli.
Will probably be the week Cyril Rioli gets selected after a quiet game or Palmer gets the nod as the selectors have got sick of waiting for Freo to win.
Hopefully Cotch if not this week in the next few. A very very bright light in our future.
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Forgive my ignorance, has Cothin been nominated for the nab rising star yet. If not he should for yesterdays performance. If he plays the rest of the season, what chance is he to win it?
No hasnt yet,
Will be this week surely.
The media have a love affair with Rhys Palmer so that's the major challenge along with Cyril Rioli.
Will probably be the week Cyril Rioli gets selected after a quiet game or Palmer gets the nod as the selectors have got sick of waiting for Freo to win.
Hopefully Cotch if not this week in the next few. A very very bright light in our future.
Sorry, I was talking about winning it at the end of the year. ;D
Cyril and Palmer have already been nominated.
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Ok my bad :thumbsup
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Rhys Palmer will win the Rising star award easy this year
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Shouldn't we have the Tiger Deflating Star. And my nomination goes to none other than Sugar.
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Kreuzer will get it this week. They're calling him a star in this game ::)
Blues down by a point
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3 goals in the last quarter by Kreuzer and the Blues have come back from 6 goals down in a low scoring game to win. They had kicked 2 goals to nearly 3 quarter time and won
8 15 63 to 10 15 75. Possibly a season defining win and probably will earn Kreuzer the rising star nomination for the week.
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Kreuzer only had 9 disposals but those 3 goals in a comeback win will count for a lot. Our insipid second half has probably cost Cotch the nomination the week :scream.
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Kreuzer won the rising star nomination this week.
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Was always going to happen if the Blues got up with his impact in the last quarter.
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He has also played more games this year. Makes a difference apparently.
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Cotchin a 'decade player': Brown, Wallace
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
4:14 PM Tue 10 June, 2008
THERE'S no doubt about it – the Tigers have snared themselves a beauty.
Trent Cotchin has only played four games since being taken with pick two in last year's NAB AFL Draft, but already he's being discussed in glowing terms, and must have missed this week's NAB Rising Star nomination by a whisker after his stellar first half against the Crows.
Both his coach and one of the game's best players are already singing his praises, despite the youngster missing the entire pre-season due to injury.
"He's fantastic, isn't he, Trent?" veteran Nathan Brown said on Tuesday. "He just does everything right – he comes in and he eats better than most, he trains harder than most, he's got his head screwed on.
"He just makes the right decisions with the ball just about every time he's got it, and that's pretty rare in football these days.
"We draft a lot of athletes and players who develop into good players, but to have a ready-made footballer come in and make the right decisions pretty much 95 per cent of the time he gets the ball is fantastic.
"He's someone you can build a midfield around for the next decade."
Coach Terry Wallace is in total agreement.
"He's going to be a decade player, and I don't use that statement loosely," Wallace said of the 18-year-old. "You have players who come in and out of the side and play for a bit of time, and you have blokes who are decade players, who are going to enjoy long, terrific careers.
"For a young player, the way he actually brings other players into the game – he holds, he draws with footy, and he creates overlap, and blokes run a long way to get near him, because they know that they're likely to get hold of the footy, and that's a bloke who's played the game for three or four matches."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=61167
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"We draft a lot of athletes and players who develop into good players, but to have a ready-made footballer come in and make the right decisions pretty much 95 per cent of the time he gets the ball is fantastic.
And that folks says it all .... the defence rests ;D
Seriously
Athlete -v- footballer - been a bug bear of mine for yonks. Give me a footballer over an athlete any day
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12 touches + goal first quarter.
Insane. :cheers
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A breath of fresh air in his gathering of the ball decision making process skill class and attitude. Lets hope the debilitating disease called Puntroaditis doesn't afflict all these wonderful attributes and in a few years we find his industry and resourcefulness turn to cheap poorly finished labour that is measured in quantity not quality.
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Trent Cotchin is a class on his own at Richmond.
that first quarter against Adelaide was something i have not seen at Richmond ever.
the "carrying" the football was GOLD!
he got targeted by Johncock twice which showed that Neil Craig knew he was our damaging midfielder.
just play Cotchin in the midfield every game.
rest him up forward.
he has showed more then Deledio and Tambling has.
he is more effective then those two.
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Cotchin has had a limited preseason, we should be careful that he doesnt overdo it ... its not necessary. Hes a 15 year player.
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Trent Cotchin makes up for lost time
June 13, 2008
TEN days was all it took for AFL football to provide Trent Cotchin with a savage reality check.
By last November's national draft, Cotchin's junior career had been so dazzling that many recruiters spruiked him, and not Matthew Kreuzer, as the top selection.
From West Preston under-9s to the Northern Knights at just 16, to captain of the Australian under-17s via Essendon Grammar, Cotchin had dominated at every level.
Even a fractured ankle suffered in the TAC Cup finals did not discourage Richmond from eagerly blurting out his name at the first opportunity.
Then, as Knights teammate Kreuzer was being paraded at Princes Park as the Blues' great white hope, Cotchin began what he had been led to believe would be a straight-forward rehabilitation of his ankle injury.
He quickly found out football would test him earlier than even he could have anticipated.
"Before I got drafted I was supposed to be two or three weeks away from running, and I started jogging one and a half weeks into the pre-season and my achilles got inflamed after my second run on the treadmill," Cotchin said.
"From then on it was just trying to get it right with different things like injections and the like.
"I just tried to do as many extra bike and pool sessions as I could, but there are only so many you can do. You get sick of swimming pretty quickly, seeing the same line on the bottom of the pool every lap."
Richmond tried all manner of remedies, yet the grinding pain in Cotchin's ankle would not abate.
As the summer sun shone on Punt Rd and his fellow draftees gained bulk and stamina, Cotchin had to bide his time.
"It was pretty frustrating. You would do your sessions early in the morning and then everyone else would train. It was hard; you just wanted to prove yourself," he said.
"Then eventually it got better. We worked out that I had to take it without too much movement, more just hold it (still) while I strengthened the calf.
"That's what I did, and it slowly got better and better. Then once it was right to start running, I realised it was still three months before I played footy, so it was definitely frustrating."
By the time the achilles pain eased, Cotchin had whiled away an entire pre-season.
And as he started the baby steps on his way to full fitness, Kreuzer, Fremantle's Rhys Palmer and Hawthorn's Cyril Rioli spent the early rounds establishing themselves as the pre-eminent juniors of the new crop.
All of which makes Cotchin's four weeks of senior football with Richmond even more astounding. In that month, he has closed the gap with such authority that even Tiger insiders who predicted excellence from Cotchin are daring to hope for more.
Off only a four-week training block, then four games with VFL affiliate Coburg, Cotchin has played with a level of assurance that is scary.
Nothing will distract Richmond fans baying for success, but his 17-possession first half against Adelaide last weekend might have come close.
"The wait was pretty hard, but it was also exciting," Cotchin said.
"I saw my mates playing AFL footy, and I was really excited for them and wanted to be out there doing the same things they were doing.
"Rhys Palmer was averaging 24 touches or whatever, and it's an amazing first year, and hopefully he can continue that.
"Kreuz and (Bulldogs No. 5 pick) Jarrad Grant both had caravans in the same caravan park in Echuca, so I know them really well.
"I feel like I am getting better every week. I am still a fair way off 100 per cent, but I can't wait to have next year's pre-season under my belt to see how much more I can work with a platform beneath me."
Cotchin, only just eligible for last year's draft, looks the complete all-rounder.
He has pace, evasiveness, hits targets on both sides of his body, has superb judgment, and is a voracious learner.
In a brilliant opening term against the Crows, his first possession was a hospital handpass when he could have fired on goal.
A minute later he was making amends by going back with the flight to spoil in front of Robert Shirley, keeping the ball in Richmond's forward line.
Then midway through the quarter he ran on to a Jake King handball in the same position as his earlier mistake and threaded a classic left-foot goal.
Cotchin, Kreuzer and Co form what is likely to be one of the great top-10 draft collections of recent times.
All bar developing talls Jarrad Grant, Ben McEvoy and Patrick Dangerfield - who is still playing TAC Cup - have made their debuts.
And after just 11 rounds of their debut season, Kreuzer, Chris Masten, Cale Morton, David Myers, Palmer, and pick 13 Rioli look stars of the future.
Critically, in an era of brash, flash, bling-laden kids, football's junior coaches seem to have rid these juniors of the big-head syndrome.
Kreuzer is as down to earth as they come; Myers, Cotchin and Morton are all assured but level-headed; and McEvoy is a big country kid stripped of ego.
They are probably well aware of how good they will become, but they are either reluctant to show it or devoid of the look-at-me ethos of so many of their peers.
Cotchin, who lives with Tigers captain Kane Johnson after a childhood in Wollert, north of Melbourne, credits parents Peter and Kath with keeping his feet on the ground.
The Herald Sun caught up with Cotchin at a midweek coaching clinic for the Craigieburn Football Club, where the Tiger junior seemed genuinely chuffed to be encouraging scores of kids not much younger than himself.
"It's your family and everyone else around you. Even at the club, you won't get a big head there because they always put you down, but you have to be yourself," he said.
"Some people get through with being big-headed, but I like playing it pretty low (key)."
Cotchin's goal of playing senior games has been re-assessed. He is now determined to keep his spot all year.
He said the first half against Adelaide had instilled key lessons about what it took to thrive in AFL football.
"It was weird. I think it made me think, 'If this is how you win the footy, by working hard, then I am going to do it'. It was a good learning point," he said.
"I watched the game with the coaching staff and seeing how much harder I worked from the week prior, it just makes a massive difference.
"It's definitely not easy, but the ball falls into your hands when you are working harder."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23856579-19742,00.html
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More glimpses tonight rather than a 4 quarter effort for Cotch but what he did was mostly classy again and I liked how once he passed off he would run hard forward to present to the teammate he had just given the ball to. I can't think of another standout off the top of my head from other games so he must go close again to a rising star nomination based on his 5 games in total so far. Cale Morton got a fair bit of the ball tonight and had 6 inside 50s for the Dees but he also made 6 clangers including two bad turnovers that lead to goals to us.
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Channel 10 news tonight said there'll be some good news for Tigers fans tomorrow involving one of our young guns.
Also SEN mentioned that Trent Cotchin will be on tomorrow. They always have the rising star nominee on every Tuesday.
Putting 2 and 2 together = Congrats Cotch :thumbsup
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Channel 10 news tonight said there'll be some good news for Tigers fans tomorrow involving one of our young guns.
Also SEN mentioned that Trent Cotchin will be on tomorrow. They always have the rising star nominee on every Tuesday.
Putting 2 and 2 together = Congrats Cotch :thumbsup
They must take into account some cumulative-type effect because I thought his game on Sunday was not nearly as prominent as the week before.
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on his current form he would have to be a chance at the end of the year despite his late start.
Palmer and Rioli are up n down whereas Cotch from day one has consistently made a contribution and doesnt look out of place amongst more senior players.
skinny kid. no experience. no preseason... scary isnt it.
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Nomination confirmed well done Cotch
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on his current form he would have to be a chance at the end of the year despite his late start.
Palmer and Rioli are up n down whereas Cotch from day one has consistently made a contribution and doesnt look out of place amongst more senior players.
skinny kid. no experience. no preseason... scary isnt it.
Ain't that the truth! How would Big Kev say it? I'M EXCITED
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NAB AFL Rising Star: round 12
afl.com.au
By Jennifer Witham
Tue 17 June, 2008
Video of the nominee:
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/58529 (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/58529)
RICHMOND young gun Trent Cotchin has followed directly in the footsteps of his former Northern Knights teammate Matthew Kreuzer, picking up a NAB AFL Rising Star nomination just seven days after his Carlton mate earned his.
Cotchin, 18, has been impressive for a number of weeks now and was prolific in the Tigers' round 11 loss to Adelaide, but as occurred in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, was pipped slightly by Kreuzer and had to wait until this week to be nominated.
"It's been really good – even better when you win," Cotchin laughed, when asked of his season so far.
"I said to 'Kreuz', you must have had a big last quarter [last weekend] to be nominated.
"But I just love playing. There's nothing better; a lot people dream of it and I've finally got the opportunity to play.
"You've got to make the most of your opportunities while you can."
Cotchin joined the Tigers via selection No. 2 overall in last year's NAB AFL Draft, and arrived at the club fresh off crutches after breaking his ankle in the TAC Cup finals series.
He recalled it was maddening to be drafted to the Punt Road club while still on injury restrictions, which were only lengthened when he developed achilles complications soon after.
"It was pretty frustrating, as you can imagine, because all you want to do is prove yourself to the other guys," he said.
"It was tough over the months I was injured, but now that I'm out there, there's nothing better."
The inflamed achilles, which developed when he returned to running as a result of lost calf strength during the ankle layoff, meant Cotchin couldn't complete a pre-season with his new club and was kept from full training until February this year.
"It's been pretty tough to run out games without a pre-season, and I'm really looking forward to that next year. If all goes well, it will be interesting to see how much further I can run," he admitted.
"It will be so much different. Second halves can be hard right now; the legs get a bit heavy and I think your mind can start thinking about that rather than the actual game.
"I feel a lot better with every game I play so that's a positive."
Cotchin played his first game in round eight after being granted a last-minute call up owing to Adam Pattison's late omission.
While the emerging talent conceded he would have liked more notice ahead of the match to invite people along, he was glad to escape the usual fanfare surrounding debuts.
"It was probably better in the end because I had a really good night's sleep the night before and I wasn't stressed out," he said.
"The build up to the game was better for me but there was less opportunity to get friends and family there."
Cotchin admitted he was a Geelong supporter as a kid, but "always liked Richmond", especially fellow young talent Brett Deledio.
He said Deledio, 21, has been a great help this season as he becomes familiar with the pressures of being such a highly-touted talent, while the club's captain has offered a different kind of assistance.
"I live with Kane Johnson so he's been tremendous in the support he's offered," Cotchin said.
"It's a pretty good bonus to live with the captain, as you learn a lot of little tricks from someone like him."
Cotchin joins Bachar Houli (Essendon), Josh Hill (Western Bulldogs), Rhys Palmer (Fremantle), Kieren Jack (Sydney), Ben McKinley (West Coast), Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn), Austin Wonaeamirri (Melbourne), Kurt Tippett (Adelaide), Garrick Ibbotson (Fremantle), Nathan Brown (Collingwood) and Matthew Kreuzer (Carlton) as contenders for this year's prize.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=61605
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Cotch will be on SEN after 4pm with Francis Leech and David Schwarz.
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Congrats Chimp
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Well deserved Cotch :thumbsup
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Cotch was just on SEN
* Tough to start of with with the injuries. Last 5 weeks have been exciting especially the 2 wins.
* Started of with the fractured foot. When got back to running copped a flamed achilles. Mid feb started running. Club has been great.
* Always loved Lids as a young player. Not much pressure he doesn't think as a early pick unless you let it get to you and don't have the support around you. Coaches, players and staff have been very supportive.
* Real close bunch down there amongst the young guys. Do everything together. So far we're putting a couple of quarters together. Lack of workrate at this stage stopping us from putting in the needed 4 quarters. Once we improve out workrate we'll be able to finish off games and put teams away earlier on in games.
* Dad - taught him to bounce the ball with his left hand which helped using the footy with both sides of the body. Just plenty of practice.
* Richo - tremendous fellow who wears his heart on hsi sleeve. Workrate shows that. Gets frustrated with himself when he can't drag us in the right direction. Up to us to share the workload and take a leaf out of his workrate.
* South Africa tour - learnt how lucky we are here.
* AFL - knew there'd be a noticable step up in intensity and quickness.
* Short courses this year then go to uni next year.
* This week - want to put 4 quarters together and then string some wins together.
* Preferred position - Likes to be around the footy so in the midfield.
* Sugar - great leadership. Gives his all when playing. Shares his knowledge and learns a lot from him. Same with Foley.
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Tigers' rising star is raising sights
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
4:13 PM Tue 17 June, 2008
TRENT Cotchin started the season with a goal of playing one game of AFL.
"Now it's just to stay in the side and have an influence on the games that we play.
"I just keep working harder and harder each week, and try and better myself.
"There's a lot of things that I need to work on, but like every young player in the AFL, everyone can improve on many of their weaknesses, so I'm just trying to improve my game every week and hopefully get better as we go."
"When I was younger I played a fair bit forward, so I've always liked being around the goals, and I don't mind kicking one.
Full article at:
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=61658
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Gary Ablett type. Reminds me of a turbo verson of Lucas Hodge :cheers
Pump one more pre-season into to Bentley that is Trent Cotchin and he will be even faster and playing 4 quarters.
I've been waiting a long time for us to find our Voss. :cheers With now have 2. 8)
I remember Weaver on big footy saying he wasnt sure if Cotch was 'just' a half forward flank, or a midfeilder proper. He looks good a few times so far in his 5 games starting in the center square. :)
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Some knocked Cotchin down during the U18 champs even though he was carrying a shoulder and a knee niggle at the time. That's why he played across HB during the champs. Any spotter with half a brain could see he was still so far above the others just in terms of his footy brain, size and skill especially out of the Victorians. Kreuzer was the only other Vic who made you go wow! They were the clear 1 and 2.
* Dad - taught him to bounce the ball with his left hand which helped using the footy with both sides of the body. Just plenty of practice.
It always helps when you recruit natural footballers who are athletic rather athletes impersonating footballers. Well done Cotch, well deserved :thumbsup.
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Go Chimp go! Well done! :cheers
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Looks like we will have to come up with a new question for our weekly prediction thread
"will cotchin score a NAB rising star nomination this week" is now officially obsolete :rollin
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Some knocked Cotchin down during the U18 champs even though he was carrying a shoulder and a knee niggle at the time. That's why he played across HB during the champs. Any spotter with half a brain could see he was still so far above the others just in terms of his footy brain, size and skill especially out of the Victorians. Kreuzer was the only other Vic who made you go wow! They were the clear 1 and 2.
* Dad - taught him to bounce the ball with his left hand which helped using the footy with both sides of the body. Just plenty of practice.
It always helps when you recruit natural footballers who are athletic rather athletes impersonating footballers. Well done Cotch, well deserved :thumbsup.
Delids, Cotch and Foley, the best midfield at Tigerland since a very young Knights, Lambert, Free and Campbell hit the scene in the early 90's. Maybe better.
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Congratulations Trent a fine effort after having no pre-season whatsoever. :clapping
Hopefully the start of a 10+ year - 200+ game career with a premiership.
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Congratulations Trent a fine effort after having no pre-season whatsoever. :clapping
Hopefully the start of a 10+ year - 200+ game career with a premiership.
The Cotch is paying $10 for the Rising Star award. With 10 rounds to go, I back him to continue improving as he gets the miles in his legs and Palmer to taper off as the season is long.
Remember where you heard it first.......
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Is Palmer favourite or Kruezer - or somebody else?
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Is Palmer favourite or Kruezer - or somebody else?
I'm tipping Palmer is.
By a street.
Maybe Cyril might be in the same suburb.
But those stats will be too much for those voters to ignore even if they dont see the games. :shh
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Rhys Palmer (Fremantle) - Nominated Round 3 1.80
Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn) - Nominated Round 6 3.50
Trent Cotchin (Richmond) - Nominated Round 12 11.00
Matthew Kreuzer (Carlton) - Nominated Round 11 21.00
Bachar Houli (Essendon) - Nominated Round 1 31.00
Austin Wonaeamirri (Melbourne) - Nominated Round 7 31.00
Kieran Jack (Sydney) - Nominated Round 4 41.00
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Gee i would have thought Jack from the Swans looks great value at $41
Might have piece of that.
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G'day TFL
I thought Kruezer was great value - he's been very good. - twice the price of Cotchin?
Mind you - Cotchin could be anything - I get excited when he gets the ball :lol
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Gee i would have thought Jack from the Swans looks great value at $41
Might have piece of that.
Gun player IMO but not flashy enough to get votes.
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Cotchin will be an absolute star with him only showing a fraction of his future form to date. It is scary to think how good this kid could become. My only fear is that he will be tagged out of form and confidence much like what happened to Lids in his first couple of seasons. Lids is only starting to regain his spark now.
Regardless Cotchin should be afforded more space than Lids did when he first arrived because we now have Foley and Lids ahead of him so if they tag Cotch they will have to leave at least one of the other two free. Lids had to burden the load from the beginning where Cotch should be afforded less attention because, like most other teams, there are better more experienced players ahead of him.
This is why Thomas and co from the Pies seemed to break on the seen so quickly while Lids and Bling seemed slower to 'develop'. Lids was our number one midfielder from almost the getgo and tagged as such while Thomas was let loose to play with the Pies more experienced stars tagged instead.
Cotchin seems much better than Lids at the moment but in reality the two are problem very similiar in ability and form, its just that we now have experienced players to burden the load and protect the kids more. Ironic really considering Lids and Foley are all of 21/22 themselves and already they have to take so much responsibility and pressure.
Regardless I hope Cotch can use the freedom the continue to improve and develop into the superstar we all know he will become.
Stripes
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Gee i would have thought Jack from the Swans looks great value at $41
Might have piece of that.
Gun player IMO but not flashy enough to get votes.
I don't know about that bentleigh, he got over 100 DT points on the weekend and he looked pretty flashy to me. I've seen him play on a few occasions and I think the $41 is excellent value. :thumbsup If you put $10 on him come the end of the season you might be able afford to buy a tank of petrol. :lol
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Jack's been very impressive but he's almost 21 y.o so a bit unfair to compare him with 18 year olds like Palmer, Kreuzer, Rioli and Cotchin. Roos and Sydney's meds are amazing how they can keep most of their senior best 22 on the park most weeks while allowing the kids 2-3 years to develop at ressie level before coming into the side. Same with Jarred Moore who is 22.
IMO Palmer is streets ahead as far as winning the RS award. Played every game bar one and is the leading possession getter at Freo playing midfield. Cotch will be a gun for us which is the main thing but his late start due to injury will hurt his RS chances.
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There are some serious questions on Palmers kicking now. Even Harvey has come out and said that Palmer may have fatigue setting in and they'll look at resting him. If Cotchin can finish the year out he'll be a very very good chance. There are no real question marks on him like there are on Palmer and the award is not for the best standout year, but the young player they believe will go on to be the best player.
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He is very much a front runner is Palmer, i watched him closely last night and he doesnt like getting into a contest when he hasnt got the footy.
Heath Black Mk 2
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Everyone knew that going into the draft though, he was never drafted to be a ball winner and I'd be a little scared of long term injury concerns if he was getting up from the bottom of packs in his first year of AFL. He'll still be a bloody good player, he has all the tools to be outstanding if he can fix his kicking. All he needs is some more composure when disposing.
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There are some serious questions on Palmers kicking now. Even Harvey has come out and said that Palmer may have fatigue setting in and they'll look at resting him. If Cotchin can finish the year out he'll be a very very good chance. There are no real question marks on him like there are on Palmer and the award is not for the best standout year, but the young player they believe will go on to be the best player.
Yeah Palmer's kicking was shocking last night. Shanked kick after kick even on his good side. Mind you he had 40 players around him doing the same in the worst footy game ever.
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In the words of Bruce ....... Cotch is speeeeeeeecialllllllllll! 25 possies and 7 clearances on the big ground like Subi without a preseason behind him. Freak! :bow
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Freak footballer, is already in our best 5 and most influential players.
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Future captain of the footy club.
Just a freak and a real special talent and player. With a pre season behind him will be virtually unstoppable. Good enough to beat the second year year blues. Hopefully it won't get to his head. Just pure silk. :bow
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Give him a 10 year contract!!!!
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Will be a Robert Harvey type. :thumbsup
Tried all day and was great @ some centre clearances
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Incredible effort to play in the guts and not only compete but be a standout. Like pmac already stated -he is already one of our best - incredible!
Stripes
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Has the Ablett (Snr & Jnr) hunchback. Certain to be a star.
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Love seeing the guy absolutely spent at the stoppages, but in the next play there he is throwing himself in or breaking away from the pack as if he was as fresh as a daisy. Class act that boy. :thumbsup
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Mark Harvey said tonight that Rhys Palmer may be out for the rest of the season. Some problem with cartilage in his knee. Word on BF is he is out for the year.
http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/palmer-in-doubt-as-mcmanus-nears-the-end-20080720-3i85.html
You don't want footballers to suffer injuries but it opens up the Rising Star again if Palmer was to miss the rest of the season.
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Cotchin's start the best ever: Royal
richmondfc.com.au
By David Reed
2:54 PM Fri 01 August, 2008
SEASONED assistant coach Brian Royal has given Richmond teenager Trent Cotchin the ultimate wrap, describing his first 10 games as the best start he has ever seen.
Cotchin joined the Tigers with the second pick of the 2007 NAB AFL Draft and made a round-eight debut against Geelong; the club Richmond renews acquaintances with on Saturday night.
"I have been involved in the game for over 20 years and he is quite unique in the talent that he has got," Royal said of Cotchin from Punt Road on Friday morning.
"I think Richmond is going to have a very, very good player for a long, long time."
Royal was happy to compare Cotchin with the stand-out youngster of the decade, Carlton captain Chris Judd – who made his way to West Coast with pick No. 3 in the 2001 draft.
"I don’t think he is winning the same amount of ball as (Chris) Judd but what you’ll see with Trent is that when he gets it, something happens.
"He has got the composure that Chris Judd has."
Judd won the 2004 Brownlow Medal and the 2005 Norm Smith Medal with the Eagles and led that club to a premiership a year later.
Royal said Cotchin's talent was so polished that it affected the way he went about coaching him.
"I have a fair bit to do with Trent because I coach the midfield," Royal said.
"From a coachability point-of-view, you probably don’t have to coach him because he is that natural about the way he plays.
"I am very hesitant to give him advice because I just don’t want to take that natural instinct that he has got of being able to win the ball and the composure that he shows.
"It is like he has been in the game for five or six years."
Royal forecast that the fight for this year's NAB AFL Rising Star award would be a race between Cotchin, Fremantle’s Rhys Palmer and Hawthorn’s Cyril Rioli.
But he conceded the broken ankle that delayed Cotchin's start to his senior career might count against him.
"Trent has been outstanding particularly given that he missed a fair amount of the pre-season and came in late," Royal said.
"Palmer has been in pretty good form and so has Rioli.
"But there is no doubt it is a three-horse race and Trent’s form in the last few games will play a major part in who finishes with the award."
Cotchin has kicked eight goals from his 10 games and has averaged just under 17 possessions.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=64611
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I wish we wouldn't compare our players to others especially a Judd even though Cotch is a super talented footballer. Let's make Cotch the one and only Trent Cotchin and hopefully have others comparing players to him instead in 5-10 years time.
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I wish we wouldn't compare our players to others especially a Judd even though Cotch is a super talented footballer. Let's make Cotch the one and only Trent Cotchin and hopefully have others comparing players to him instead in 5-10 years time.
Your right there MT - Cotch is Cotch - this dude will be a gem
Sorry if I am being (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:mHoQNOQ-i-LmkM:http://www.quizlaw.com/blog/images/captain-obvious.jpg)
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royal is just stating the obvious
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Talent opens doors and then the hard work starts
Nathan Buckley | August 2, 2008
GREAT footballers come in all shapes and sizes.
They also come at all ages. Both of these criteria were evident during the week as I watched the AFL under-16 championships on the Gold Coast.
The raw skill, flashes of hardness and intensity of the young men on show were a window into prospective careers in the game. Some of them will be household names in a few years.
At the same carnival in 2006, Trent Cotchin attended as a starry-eyed talent looking to test himself against the best of his age. In 2005, now Carlton teammates Matthew Kreuzer and Bryce Gibbs did likewise, and a year, earlier "another" Selwood, this time of the Joel variety, represented Victoria.
These four are not the only players to have come through these championships and thrive once introduced to an AFL club environment, but they are representative of the ability of young talent to come into today's game and have an impact from the get-go.
Let's start with Cotchin.
Ask any experienced AFL footballer and he'll tell you that a solid pre-season is crucial to good form throughout the year. Well, not only did Cotchin miss most of the skills and running training after being drafted, but he began his season late, making his debut in round eight against Geelong after a handful of VFL matches to lead in.
Cotchin has displayed remarkable strength and balance in the contest and refuses to lose his feet even under the fiercest pressure. His ability to cover the ground and get to contest after contest has been a standout and the skill and poise he shows with the ball in his hands belies his years.
Rest of article here:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/theres-talent-then-hard-work/2008/08/01/1217097534909.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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silly comments by royal.
Let the kid play for crying out loud.
already he is comparing him to Chris Judd..I mean how about he just stfu instead of coming out with crap like that.
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Video of Cotch after yesterday's game from the RFC site:
http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/72153 (http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/72153)
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How about Cotch getting in and out of that traffic on the wing in the first quarter and then nailing a lace out pass to Joel on the lead directly in front 35m out :thumbsup.
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Tiger cub earns his stripes
Mark Smith
Wittlesea Leader
26Aug08
Richmond's Trent Cotchin has a promising future at Tigerland.
HANGING out at the family home in Wollert, Richmond Tigers young gun Trent Cotchin lobs a golf ball into the paddock.
The sport, introduced to him as a child by his grandpa and dad, helps him to relax.
Cotchin admits he has been itching for a hit for months, but the intense regime of an AFL season doesn't leave him with a lot of time.
It's been a huge 12 months for the Tiger cub, who this time last year was busy completing his VCE and dreaming of an AFL career while playing with the Northern Knights.
Taken at number two in last year's AFL draft, then forced to sit out the entire preseason due to a broken foot, the talented midfielder has played every game in the yellow and black since debuting against Geelong in Round 8.
He was the NAB AFL Rising Star Program nominee for Round 12, after amassing 83 disposals and five goals in his first four games.
Assistant coach Brian Royal has already drawn comparisons to Carlton champion Chris Judd, labelling Cotchin's blistering start as the best he's ever seen.
Cotchin smiles at the compliment, but admits he doesn't take too much notice of all the hype.
"I don't read very many newspapers," he says. "I try to steer clear of that and go about my business."
It is wise thinking from the 18-year-old, who has already seen the flipside of the press first-hand when housemate and Tigers captain Kane Johnson was caught urinating in public this year.
He admits the added scrutiny, along with living away from home, are two of the biggest changes he has had to get used to.
"But living with the captain is a big bonus. I get to see how professional he is and how he goes about things. I've also seen how even a slip-up can come back to haunt you.
"But even having to pay your own way and cook for yourself at a new place is a bit different to (coming home to) mum's beautiful meals every night."
He also draws plenty of support from his family, who have surrendered lifelong allegiances with Carlton and Collingwood to join the Tiger army.
"The support my family has given me, not only this year but my whole career, has been fantastic," he said.
Cotchin's family will join him at next Wednesday's NAB AFL Rising Star Award ceremony at the Crown Palladium.
While Hawthorn's Cyril Rioli and Fremantle's Rhys Palmer are the hot favourites, Cotchin remains a good chance to take the honour.
http://www.whittlesealeader.com.au/article/2008/08/26/41701_wpv_news.html
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Voss on Cotchin from today's Age
Cotchin, coming off virtually no pre-season due to injury, had to wait until Round 8 for his debut and has played only 14 games yet could end up having the biggest impact of them all. And he only turned 18 in April.
I spent some time with him as asisistant coach with the AIS squad and he's a star who will be a Richmond captain.
His decision-making is exceptional and his balance likewise.
He's not afraid to work in close but knows where to go to find the easy kick, and he's a midfielder who can go forward and kick goals.
Robert Walls paid him the ultimate compliment when he said: "When he has the ball you take your eyes off him to see its' going".
He's right. It's a complete package.
Voss has predicted Rioli to win the Rising Star Award with Cotch coming 4th..
Rioli is my pick to win the NAB AFL Rising Star Award.
In a hot field for an award to be decided next week on the 5-4-3-2-1 votes of the All-Australian selectors, he gets my vote over Fremantle Rhys Palmer.
I'd go Rioli (5), Palmer (4), Matthew Kreuzer (3), Trent Cotchin (2) and Garrick Ibbotson (1).
Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/catch-a-rising-star/2008/08/29/1219516667970.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Kreuzer 3rd? You have to be joking.
Palmer, Cotchin, Rioli, Ibbotson, Dalziel for me
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It clearly is a flawed system...Voss puts Kreuz ahead of Cotchin because has played more...wtf
Presumably for that reason Voss didnt mention Dalziel.
The system is weighted against people who get nominated or make their debuts later in the season. In other words...Cotch's lack of preseason has cost him in this award...similarly Dalziel who is averaging 26 odd possies a game but only has played 6 games is not even mentioned because he only broke into the team recently...
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cotch has exceeded expectations
if he was 21 he would be captain next year
Winning the rising star actually hurt more than helped lids, cotch has many more important awards and trophies to win in his bright future
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Really getting a nomination is a big enough reward - recognises potential talent. The actual award itself is more about consistency which automatically discounts our Cotch but had Raines finish 2nd if you remember.
The award is no real garentee of future success so for mine, it is meaningless.
We all know Cotch is the standout draftee of 2007 anyway and he will spend the next 10+ years embarrassing the Blues because of it! :D
Stripes
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Palmer will win it IMO (he got a stack of it again against the Pies) but geez his kicking especially on his right is hit and miss. Some of his kicks would make Duncan Kellaway proud lol.
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Palmer will win it IMO (he got a stack of it again against the Pies) but geez his kicking especially on his right is hit and miss. Some of his kicks would make Duncan Kellaway proud lol.
Palmer will win it but at least we will be content in the knowledge that our bloke has skills that Palmer will never have like KICKING.... :lol
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Watching the Dawks versus Carltank and Rioli is carving them up. Might be enough to get him over the line, as well as the fact that he plays in a top team.
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Watching the Dawks versus Carltank and Rioli is carving them up. Might be enough to get him over the line, as well as the fact that he plays in a top team.
It's easier playing in a top side IMO but there's an obvious gulf in foot skills between the two.
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Yeah agree that the knock on Palmer is his kicking, but geez, he has carried that Freo midfield as a debutant this season.
A midfield with hacks like Bell, Carr(s), McGone, Schimmer, and all the rest of the purple ooommmppppaaaa looommmmpers pretenders.
Pfff - sorry waste of a post cos its about that club, but still, Palmer has been consistent for the majority of the season and should win the award for performance from Round 2 to Round 22.
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Rioli will take the prize no doubt.
Thursday the odds were 3.50/1 for Cyril. Great odds you would have thought.
He and Palmer best draftees this year no doubt about it. Kruzer doesn't even come close.
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Rioli will take the prize no doubt.
Thursday the odds were 3.50/1 for Cyril. Great odds you would have thought.
He and Palmer best draftees this year no doubt about it. Kruzer doesn't even come close.
You can get on with me. Palmer will win it in a canter, Rioli second and Cotchin third just in front of Kruezer.
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NAB Rising Star odds($)
Palmer 1.26
Rioli 3.00
Cotchin 21.00
Morton 21.00
Kreuzer 41.00
Riewoldt 51.00
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Cotch won't win the award but he's the best kid out of last year's draft. At 18 years old wins most of his footy contested, strength already to break away from two tacklers :o and burst into space, almost our best tackler himself already. Just so much poise and the balance of a cat. Skills to match on both feet. Thanks Carlton for bypassing him :thumbsup.
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Kreuzer will be great too, would have been more than happy with either. Palmer may well win, but I liken him more to Justin Sherman who had a great breakout year, but hasn't gone on with it.
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On todays broadcast Ox was a huge rap for Cotch. I also heard him say a similiar thing about him on Ch 7s footshow this morning. Claims that Palmer will win the Rising Star but Cotch will be the best player out of an outstanding group over 10 years.
In the past the Ox has been an unabashed Tigers hater but today he spoke in glowing terms about our young players and our future on the back of players like Cotch, Lids, Moore, White and Riewoldt.
Good to hear non-Richmond people start to speak up our players and future
Stripes
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On todays broadcast Ox was a huge rap for Cotch. I also heard him say a similiar thing about him on Ch 7s footshow this morning. Claims that Palmer will win the Rising Star but Cotch will be the best player out of an outstanding group over 10 years.
In the past the Ox has been an unabashed Tigers hater but today he spoke in glowing terms about our young players and our future on the back of players like Cotch, Lids, Moore, White and Riewoldt.
Good to hear non-Richmond people start to speak up our players and future
Stripes
Cotch and Rioli are the best smalls from the draft clearly imo, 15-20 disposals and they've done as much damage as the average player would do with 30-35 disposals. Palmer is a ball winner but not very creative or damaging considering his disposals and rarely breaks lines. Palmer is still a player every team needs, a magnetic ball winner, but he'll never be a superstar imo unless he can find a another level of speed and fix his wayward kicking. I see a lot of Damien Peverill/Mark Johnson in him.
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Garry Lyon has Cotchin third
Rhys Palmer, Cyril Rioli to lead way in NAB Rising Star
Garry Lyon | September 02, 2008
5 Votes: Rhys Palmer
4 Votes: Cyril Rioli
3 Votes: Trent Cotchin
No pre-season and a late start to the year was the only thing stopping Cotchin joining these two. I think he may end up being the pick of this year's list. From the moment he scored a goal with his first kick in senior football, everything he does has reeked of class.
He has a strong body, is extremely clean with his hands, makes good decisions with the ball and not once during the year did he look overawed, regardless of the company he was in or the opposition he confronted.
Sometimes you watch a young player and you are struck with the way they 'carry' themselves. I've never met Trent, but I've watched him closely and he has 'leader' stamped on his forehead. Like the Cats with Selwood, Richmond has a beauty on its hands.
2 Votes: Nathan Brown
1 Vote: Matthew Kreuzer
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24278861-19742,00.html
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Hmmmm must of posted this somewhere else ???
Palmer will win.
Cotchin will be the best :thumbsup
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Emma Quayle (from the Age) has a new book 'The Draft' while follows Cotchin and 4 other draftees through the draft process last year
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Young stars have their stories told in The Draft
By Matt Burgan
6:00 PM Tue 02 September, 2008
FIVE AFL young guns have been documented in a new football book titled The Draft, which follows their transition from elite junior players to their recruitment into the AFL system.
Richmond's Trent Cotchin, Hawthorn's Cyril Rioli, West Coast's Brad Ebert, St Kilda's Ben McEvoy and Sydney Swans' Patrick Veszpremi were all followed by highly-respected journalist Emma Quayle (The Age) in their final junior year of football.
The book also highlights their journey into the AFL system via last year's NAB AFL Draft.
Cotchin, one of the most promising youngsters in the competition, spoke of his experiences with the book, when it was launched by AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou at the MCG on Tuesday.
"It's not an opportunity everyone gets at such a young age," Cotchin said, who has been nominated for this year's NAB AFL Rising Star, but believes Rioli should win the award.
"To be involved with Emma all throughout the last year or so [has been great] and for it to finally come to an end – it looks good as well."
All five players have debuted in 2008, with Ebert also a NAB AFL Rising Star nominee.
Cotchin said Quayle approached him at the Australian Institute of Sport.
"She said: 'I'm interested in catching up with you every now and then and I'm going to write a book'," Cotchin said.
"I went back and spoke to my parents about it and we said: 'Let's give it a go'."
The Draft goes behind the scenes and tells the inside story on the drafting process, told from the five players' perspective and also through recruiters, parents and junior coaches.
It also highlights Hawthorn's drafting process, with player personnel and strategy general manager Chris Pelchen and his recruiting team central to the book.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=66903
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Cyril will win the award and top it off by finding himself in the AA team.
he will storm home and easily take this out.
palmer no chance.
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Cyril will win the award and top it off by finding himself in the AA team.
Don't think he's even in the squad!
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Cyril will win the award and top it off by finding himself in the AA team.
Don't think he's even in the squad!
well he shuld. he is a deadset gun.
when are we going to say that about a player we drafted not in the first few.
we had so many chances at drafts and we screwed it up with duds like Meyer, JON, Pettifer and Patto
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when are we going to say that about a player we drafted not in the first few.
Deledio is in the squad ;D
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when are we going to say that about a player we drafted not in the first few.
Deledio is in the squad ;D
when i said"not in the first few" i meant not in the first few picks
lids and cotch were number 1 picks so nothing new there. Both guns.
its the other picks i question. the range between 5-20. Schulz, Petts, meyer, Patto, JON etc etc where have they got us nowhere.
Moore, Foley and Will were all rookies.
we are the worst drafting side in the afl i have no doubt about that.
other clubs pick up your cyril rioli's who in one year is a better player than richie tambling, edwards and that idiot cam howatt. FACT!!
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when are we going to say that about a player we drafted not in the first few.
Deledio is in the squad ;D
when i said"not in the first few" i meant not in the first few picks
lids and cotch were number 1 picks so nothing new there. Both guns.
its the other picks i question. the range between 5-20. Schulz, Petts, meyer, Patto, JON etc etc where have they got us nowhere.
Moore, Foley and Will were all rookies.
we are the worst drafting side in the afl i have no doubt about that.
other clubs pick up your cyril rioli's who in one year is a better player than richie tambling, edwards and that idiot cam howatt. FACT!!
Meyer (04), Patto (04), JON (05). Give kids that are 20-22 yoa some time FFS.
I am happy with Rance over Rioli thanks.
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Palmer, Rioli and Cotchin stellar trio
Chloe Saltau | September 3, 2008
WHETHER it is the hard-running midfielder from the West or the hard-tackling forward from Hawthorn whose star burns most brightly today, Richmond captain Kane Johnson believes his young teammate Trent Cotchin will eventually outshine both of them.
Rhys Palmer and Cyril Rioli are favourites for the 2008 Rising Star award, the former having busted into the Fremantle midfield and picked up 23 touches a game in his first year and the latter having carved his very own place in a very good side with his ability to do things that make others, including his peers, stop and stare.
Johnson finds it difficult to split them, but has seen enough of Cotchin's clean, decisive football since his round-eight debut to think he will, over the next decade, distinguish himself as the best of the lot.
"You build your club around players like that," Johnson said. "You would have to say Palmer (for the Rising Star) just because he has played most games and I think he has averaged 23 possessions, which is a fair year for a kid, and obviously Rioli has been good. (But) I think Cotchin is the standout in the group for the long term."
Cotchin, incidentally, is in the Rioli camp, and knows first-hand what a handful "Junior Boy" can be from tagging him at the under-12 schoolboy championships.
"I think it was his third year in the Northern Territory under-12s side and our coaches had already seen him and I was given the job of running with him. I enjoyed that, actually," Cotchin said.
"He never really gets beaten one-on-one, and he's very clean and silky with his disposal. I think he's a star in the making, or already a star."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/palmer-rioli-and-cotchin-stellar-trio/2008/09/02/1220121235282.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Raw talent
Emma Quayle | The Age | September 2, 2008
Emma Quayle followed five of the hottest young football talents in the country on their journey to the AFL draft. All were drafted as fi rst-round selections and three have been nominated for today’s Rising Star award. These are a selection of edited extracts from her book.
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2008/09/03/wbAFLcotchinrioli_narrowweb__300x490,0.jpg)
Trent Cotchin and Cyril Rioli as underage stars.
TRENT COTCHIN
Trent was tagged in the first game of Vic Metro’s 2007 under- 18 championship game — a heavy loss to Western Australia.
After the match he told a couple of teammates — only jokingly — that he might not get drafted now.
The comments were used in coach David Dickson’s address ahead of Metro’s final match of the championships against Vic Country.
Dickson wanted to see a united team out there and decided to make a point before he began his pre-game rev-up.
He’d heard that Trent had been talking draft at the airport in Perth and wasn’t happy; Trent should have been thinking about playing for Victoria.
Also in the back of his mind was that Trent had said he liked the occasional jolt. But he’d forgotten there was a Fox Sports camera in the back of the room, and that what he said would later appear on their website.
Dicko told the players to run and not be afraid. Then he ran through the side, position by position, reminding each player what the team needed them to do.
He reached Trent, paused, and glanced around. Trent was where he always was, in the middle of the front row, so Dickson stood directly in front of him, looking down.
"It’s been an interesting carnival for you," he began, his voice steadily rising, his neck craning forward and his finger pointing directly at Trent.
"I heard a comment last night … and I’ll say it to you in front of the group. I’m going to really nail you and if it’s true I’m going to be really peeed off …"
He leaned back, with his hands out wide and his palms facing up. "Oh, I’m not sure I’m going to get drafted …," he said in a sing-song voice. "You are here to play for f------ Victoria. NOT ANYONE ELSE! I don’t care about draft people and if you’re talking to players like that then your mind’s not switched on to win today … YOU ARE A BLOODY GOOD FOOTBALLER and you start here. Not in a year’s time. I DON’T CARE WHERE YOU GO! This group needs you playing for Victoria, NOT WITH YOUR MIND ELSEWHERE!"
It was a sharp, fierce and confronting few seconds. Trent didn’t take his eyes off the coach, he didn’t move or change expression other than to clench his jaw and lose a bit of colour from his cheeks. Inside, though, he was churning.
He didn’t mind being yelled at, even in a room full of people. He liked Dicko and enjoyed playing for him, but what he had said wasn’t right. Why hadn’t he talked to him first, to make sure that’s what he had said? Trent felt like an idiot, like he’d been embarrassed for no real reason.
"It put me down. It made me feel like a idiot," he said. "It just felt negative."
Still, he was first out on to the ground, stopping to pat each teammate on the back as they followed him.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/raw-talent/2008/09/02/1220121234074.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Cotch was also interviewed at the gig:
* Played in Albury tagging Rioli in 2001. I think he did me on the day.
* Played on Kerr and he's always on move which is what I need to do. Learnt a lot from him and Jobe Watson about positioning yourself (got smashed by him).
* We're putting structures together and coming through together as a young side. Won 8 of our last 11. Want to continue that next year and be able to compete against the likes of your side Joel (Selwood).
* Said he watches Sunday footy show so Garry Lyon was pleased. He doesn't take must notice of the media.
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I was having a look at what Blues fans would offer Freo for Warnock and stumbled across this ....
I think we have far bigger insufficiencies with our list than ruckman. We are desperately seeking a quality inside player like a mitchell.
I think our biggest mistake was not taking Cotchin.
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21018&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=500
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Gee it's taken them a while hasn't it? ;D
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The Herald-Sun today says Cotch has been training with Craig Mottram running around the Tan.
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The Herald-Sun today says Cotch has been training with Craig Mottram running around the Tan.
If he can keep up with Mottram I'll be very impressed. I reckon Craig would be showered and changed by the time Cotch finishes. ;D Good on the boy for putting in the hard yards in, this is why he will be a star. Doesn't matter how gifted you are you still need to put in the effort to realise your potential. :thumbsup
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I've typed out the story....
Tiger on Buster's tail
By DARYL TIMMS
FRI 17 OCT 2008, Page 114
THEY might be friends now, but come November 30 and Richmond footballer Trent Cotchin and Australia's best distance runner Craig "Buster" Mottram will be foes.
The pair, who have trained together on Melbourne's Tan track around the Botanical Gardens, will be among thousands of competitors in The Great Australian Run.
Cotchin is among a group of AFL footballers who will run in relays in a bid to topple Mottram on the 15km run around Melbourne streets.
The run will start in Albert Park.
Essendon's Jobe Watson, Collingwood's Dale Thomas and Carlton's Bryce Gibbs have also been named as AFL ambassadors for the run but only three will take on Mottram in 5km relays.
Despite being tag-teamed, the money is still on Mottram to beat the footballers by a considerable distance.
Anyone wanting to compete in the run, can visit www.greataustralianrun. com.au for more details.
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Get Lids, Whitey, Jackson & Cotchin as the relay and Mottram may have a competition
Cotchin will be carrying the rest of those snails
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Cotch is obviously trying to make up for the preseason he missed last year and boost up his endurance at the same time :thumbsup.
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Yep this kids ability matched with his attitude is going to make for some pleasurable viewing ahead
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Trent Cotchin will be a Richmond superstar ... hopefully like Geelong's Gary Ablett :)
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Cotchin finally catches his breath
Whittlesea Leader
18 Nov 08 @ 02:41pm by Laura Jolly
AFL FOOTBALL is a never-ending learning experience, as Wollert’s Trent Cotchin discovered when he launched into his first full pre-season with Richmond Football Club.
Eager to impress and speed up his development, the 19-year-old went above and beyond the training schedule provided by the club.
But the former Northern Knight soon learnt why the coaches are the experts, as he again found himself on the sidelines during pre-season training, this time with a niggling injury caused by over-training.
“I thought I’d go so hard because I missed the pre-season last year and I wanted to catch up to some of the other blokes,” he said.
“But I overdid it and got a niggle so I’m missing the first few weeks of the pre-season.”
On top of the club’s six-day-a-week program consisting of running, cross-training and weights, a determined Cotchin put in extra sessions when possible.
“We were doing three runs a week plus cross-training in between.
“But I would go for a cycle on those days, then hop on the treadmill for an extra 10 or 20 minutes, and that extra workload caused something to flare.”
While Cotchin’s enthusiasm and commitment couldn’t be faulted, he admitted the extra training was not the smartest choice.
“I won’t do it again next year, that’s for sure.”
But it won’t keep the young Tiger down for long, with Cotchin expected to return to full training this week as he aims to continue his already impressive AFL career.
Taken at No.2 in last year’s AFL draft then forced to sit out the entire pre-season with a broken foot, Cotchin debuted against Geelong and didn’t miss a game after that. He was the AFL Rising Star nominee for Round 12, and finished third in the Rising Star Award with 21 votes, behind Hawthorn’s Cyril Rioli (37) and winner Rhys Palmer (44) from Fremantle. With one year of AFL experience under his belt, Cotchin said he felt much better prepared heading into his second season.
“I always knew (playing in the AFL) would be pretty intense.
“Every move you make is watched by the staff and your peers so you’ve just got to give it your best shot all the time.
“It’s just full-on for your body.
‘’You’ve got to get used to it and develop, which is easier for me this time around because I’ve been in the system for a year.”
Despite his niggling injury, he said he also felt better prepared physically. His main focus for the pre-season, he said, was to build strength.
“When I first arrived at the club I was just off crutches and not doing much.
“I’m a lot fitter now.
“I suppose when you first get to the AFL they want you to put on weight. My weight is good now so I’m focusing on strength.
“You have to build strength without putting on size because it affects your running.
“It’s all about core strength.”
http://whittlesea-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/cotchin-finally-catches-his-breath/
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#%^@! I thought all that extra training would put him ahead of the pack rather than watchin them from the sidelines again. :banghead
I just hope it doesn't cause him to lose any of the core fitness he gained from the extra work or stop him from building up his hip, mid and leg strength to break all those tackles next year.
I hope that is the last injury problem we hear about all pre-season.... :-X
Stripes
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As long as it's just a niggle he'll be fine. Better that than him ending up with OP through overtraining. Cotch is someone who is eagar to do more. The club had to hold him back last year as he was coming back from that broken foot.
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As long as it's just a niggle he'll be fine. Better that than him ending up with OP through overtraining. Cotch is someone who is eagar to do more. The club had to hold him back last year as he was coming back from that broken foot.
What do you suspect the 'niggle' to be - foot again, groin, ????
Stripes
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As long as it's just a niggle he'll be fine. Better that than him ending up with OP through overtraining. Cotch is someone who is eagar to do more. The club had to hold him back last year as he was coming back from that broken foot.
What do you suspect the 'niggle' to be - foot again, groin, ????
Stripes
Don't know Stripes. Hopefully it was only tightness or a minor strain in a muscle somewhere. If he's back full training this week it couldn't have been too serious.
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Some advice for draft hopefuls
By Laura Jolly
Whittlesea Leader
Wed 26 Nov 2008, Page 25
YOU have to think the region's AFL draft prospects would be pretty nervous right now.
But the best thing to do, according to Richmond's Trent Cotchin who was taken by Richmond at pick No. 2 last year, is relax and enjoy the journey.
"It's a hard time, because it's out of your control,'' the 19-year-old said.
"It's all up to the club that selects you.
"At this time last year I was focussing on year 12, but it was always in the back of my mind and I got very nervous.
"I wanted the day to be over so I could move on to being an AFL listed player.
"But it's a great moment so I'd tell (them) just to enjoy it.''
While Cotchin's selection by an AFL club was never in doubt, he said he believed it was a nerve-wracking process for any player, whether highly touted or an outside chance of being drafted.
"For someone like (Northern Knights) Michael Hurley, who is rated highly, he'd be very nervous at the moment.
"He won't know where he's going to end up or whether he'll be staying in Melbourne or going interstate.''
He said his first year in the AFL had been a learning experience.
"I always knew it would be pretty intense.
"Every move you make is watched by the staff and your peers so you've just got to give it your best shot all the time.''
And Cotchin has some advice for newly drafted AFL players.
"Stick to the structure and work as hard as you can to develop.
"It's just full on for your body.
"You have got to get used to it and develop.''
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Glad to see Cotch back and hopefully over the achilles injuries for good :). He's still nowhere near match fit and he was rusty in the first half getting run down from behind but that goal that threaded the needle from the point post in the last was all class :thumbsup.
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He didn't get a lot a lot of it, but gee, you can see how good he can be.
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After taking a couple of quiet games to get back into AFL footy, Cotch last night looked more like his gun-self. That classy goal in the 3rd plus two possies in that final play including the final pass to Morton for the winning goal summed up he is back! :thumbsup.
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He certainly looked like the Cotchin of 2008 last night, I was a little concerned with his last two games and we probably did bring him back too soon. I'm sure by Round 22 he'll be better than he was towards the end of 2008. Then hopefully an injury free preseason and look out.
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he is or will be ur most important player
did u see him singing the song, him and jack were fired up, they are our future leaders
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Cochin working hard to regain place in midfield
Emma Quayle | June 7, 2009
AFTER a month back in the Richmond side, Trent Cotchin plans to regain a full-time place in the midfield by the end of the season.
Cotchin said that while he was starting to feel more match-fit, he was hoping to get more burst back in the next few weeks, after missing the entire pre-season and being sidelined as his side notched just one win ahead of his return in round eight.
"I'm feeling a bit better on the spread, and fitness-wise I'm a lot better," the 19-year-old after the Tigers' 68-point loss to the Western Bulldogs on Friday night. "After games all my tendons get a little bit sore, but that's life.
"I'm still getting used to the speed of the game. I got run down in a few tackles in my first few games and I haven't had the burst, but I feel like I got a bit of that back tonight and a bit more composure, so it's starting to get better.
"I want to be able to play 75 per cent of the game in the midfield by the end of the year, and have influence every minute that I'm in there, rather than coming in and out of the game and getting tired towards the end."
Drafted at No. 2 in 2007, Cotchin said the Richmond rooms had felt a little sad ahead of Terry Wallace's final match on Friday night , and thanked the coach for bringing him to Richmond and giving him his first chance.
"I've known Terry since I was younger, and when I was at the Northern Knights I had a little bit to do with him," he said. "He's helped me along the way and given me a lot of opportunities, so he's been a terrific part of my life and my football career.
"He's shown a lot of support in me and also in the group."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/cochin-working-hard-to-regain-place-in-midfield/2009/06/06/1244234424287.html
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"I'm feeling a bit better on the spread, and fitness-wise I'm a lot better," the 19-year-old after the Tigers' 68-point loss to the Western Bulldogs on Friday night. "After games all my tendons get a little bit sore, but that's life.
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"I'm feeling a bit better on the spread, and fitness-wise I'm a lot better," the 19-year-old after the Tigers' 68-point loss to the Western Bulldogs on Friday night. "After games all my tendons get a little bit sore, but that's life.
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There is no reason to play him next week ... everytime he pulls up sore, he shouldnt play the following week. Why are we risking the future playing him in meaningless games.
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There is no reason to play him next week ... everytime he pulls up sore, he shouldnt play the following week. Why are we risking the future playing him in meaningless games.
Because perhaps it is something he is going to have to put up with for the rest of his career :-\
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the Cotch looked out of sorts v the dogs too indecisive and hesitant plays his best when he plays with instinct and flair some times it seems the pack drag him back to their unskilled level
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the Cotch looked out of sorts v the dogs too indecisive and hesitant plays his best when he plays with instinct and flair some times it seems the pack drag him back to their unskilled level
cotch is lacking match fitness...I'd suggest he would be no more than 2/3 fit given he missed bulk of pre season...he will continue to build on what he's showed so far...I agree he is not putting it all together,,however to gather 20 possies in 2nd and third gear is a good start :thumbsup
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cotch is lacking match fitness...I'd suggest he would be no more than 2/3 fit given he missed bulk of pre season...he will continue to build on what he's showed so far...I agree he is not putting it all together,,however to gather 20 possies in 2nd and third gear is a good start :thumbsup
Yep agree there, he is just a bit rusty. IMO he has show some really good signs on why he will be a class above the rest.
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From the Age...
Jesse Hogan | August 6, 2009
RICHMOND’S biggest gun, Matthew Richardson, will be watching from the sidelines for the rest of the year — and its youngest gun, Trent Cotchin, is about to join him.
Cotchin will miss the tail-end of the season with a hip injury. While the Tigers are yet to confirm the injury, it is believed the highly rated 19-year-old will have surgery within a week to correct the problem. The operation will complete a frustrating second season for the No. 2 draft pick of 2007, who missed the first seven rounds of 2009 with an Achilles injury.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/richo-cotchin-gone-polak-may-return/2009/08/05/1249350592707.html
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Correct decision. :clapping :clapping
If they need surgery, get them in ASAP so they're ready for pre-season training.
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That was a rumour posted on PRE last week
The question I have is, why the hell did he play against Melbourne if he's carrying a hip injury?
Are we sure it's not Collins who is out with a hip injury?
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Another rumour doing the rounds is that it's OP, not a hip.
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That was a rumour posted on PRE last week
The question I have is, why the hell did he play against Melbourne if he's carrying a hip injury?
Are we sure it's not Collins who is out with a hip injury?
Cause Richmond have no idea how to treat players or manage their injuries so they break them till they are damaged for life
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I'm sure it was a minor injury that was being managed but may have flared last week. If he had OP I would be astounded that the club allowed him even close to the ground. These worst-case scenario 'rumours' are just plain scaremongering.
The club should rest and repair any player that has any sort of injury now. We are only playing for pride and to build that elusive 'winning culture'...like at the end of last year. :o
Hope Cotch can actually work his way through a full preseason this year. The last two years have been extremely frustrating for all.
Stripes
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I'm sure it was a minor injury that was being managed but may have flared last week. If he had OP I would be astounded that the club allowed him even close to the ground. These worst-case scenario 'rumours' are just plain scaremongering.
It doesn't have to be scare-mongering and it doesn't mean it's wrong. A GP who posts on tiger-talk responded to the rumour with this:
"I've just looked up my sports medicine book (excellent reference by Brukner and Khan) . They dislike the term OP which they claim is misleading, and use "longstanding groin pain". There are multiple causes of this, one being strain of the muscles. It can also be caused by hip problems eg minor cartilage tears."
Might be one and the same thing.
And the link: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/91699 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/91699)
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We are only playing for pride and to build that elusive 'winning culture'...like at the end of last year. :o
At least last year we were half a chance at finals.
This year despite Tiga's fact finding mission we are done and dusted and have been for weeks/months.
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We are only playing for pride and to build that elusive 'winning culture'...like at the end of last year. :o
At least last year we were half a chance at finals.
This year despite Tiga's fact finding mission we are done and dusted and have been for weeks/months.
Beat me to it Chuck...You might be rewriting history there Stripes.
I remember us being in finals contention deep into round 21.It was all over when Collingwood beat Sydney....but that looked a 50/50 game at the time.
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It doesn't have to be scare-mongering and it doesn't mean it's wrong. A GP who posts on tiger-talk responded to the rumour with this:
"I've just looked up my sports medicine book (excellent reference by Brukner and Khan) . They dislike the term OP which they claim is misleading, and use "longstanding groin pain". There are multiple causes of this, one being strain of the muscles. It can also be caused by hip problems eg minor cartilage tears."
Might be one and the same thing.
And the link: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/91699 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/91699)
That's interesting smokey. Does this GP know any more about Cotch's condition than we do, ie is he just speculating on the report that Cotch has a hip injury and then making a diagnosis from that information alone or does he have further proof?
Regardless I hope this is a short term, treatable condition that does not interfere with his preseason in any way but given Cotch's track record and run of luck anything is possible.. :help
Stripes
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We are only playing for pride and to build that elusive 'winning culture'...like at the end of last year. :o
At least last year we were half a chance at finals.
This year despite Tiga's fact finding mission we are done and dusted and have been for weeks/months.
Beat me to it Chuck...You might be rewriting history there Stripes.
I remember us being in finals contention deep into round 21.It was all over when Collingwood beat Sydney....but that looked a 50/50 game at the time.
Which is exactly my point fellas. We have no hope of making finals so unless we are playing to create the mythical 'winning culture' which I would argue should have been achieved after our big second half to the season last year, I will be devestated if we finish 9th or 10th/11th for that matter!
We may have missed the priority pick but surely we are not stupid enough to still aim for finals! :help Wins should not be the focus but rather improving our current and future list.
Stripes
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It doesn't have to be scare-mongering and it doesn't mean it's wrong. A GP who posts on tiger-talk responded to the rumour with this:
"I've just looked up my sports medicine book (excellent reference by Brukner and Khan) . They dislike the term OP which they claim is misleading, and use "longstanding groin pain". There are multiple causes of this, one being strain of the muscles. It can also be caused by hip problems eg minor cartilage tears."
Might be one and the same thing.
And the link: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/91699 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/91699)
That's interesting smokey. Does this GP know any more about Cotch's condition than we do, ie is he just speculating on the report that Cotch has a hip injury and then making a diagnosis from that information alone or does he have further proof?
Regardless I hope this is a short term, treatable condition that does not interfere with his preseason in any way but given Cotch's track record and run of luck anything is possible.. :help
Stripes
No Stripes, he was just responding to a question from another poster who said he had heard that OP can be caused by groin muscles rubbing the pelvis bone. He didn't know himself, hence the reference to the book.
And I think we all agree in hoping for a full pre-season for Cotchin so we can really see what he has got.
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Since when has a winning culture been mythical? I have played football for many years and winning cultures are not mythical at all, it is a phenonomen that takes years to build and weeks to smash!
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Since when has a winning culture been mythical? I have played football for many years and winning cultures are not mythical at all, it is a phenomenon that takes years to build and weeks to smash!
:thumbsup :clapping
And was never going to be built by one good finish to a season (2008) but by cumulative winning efforts over a number of seasons.
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Developing a 'winning culture' at the end of a year against tanking teams only to have that smashed into your face in the first game of the season and completely destroy any small amount of confidence and morale you had achieved the year before tells me that the importance of stringing a few wins together is extremely over rated and the benefits of it 'mythical'.
Confidence and belief is what you are really taking about and more importantly the understanding of yourself, your team mates and that what you are collectively doing will bring success. When people talked about how losing games for the rest of the year was counter productive to our future success and that winning games for the remainder of the year would allow us to develop this 'winning culture' I struggled and continue to struggle to understand.
If we strung together a series of close fought games against quality opposition where our belief in each other and confidence in our game plan was magnified then I agree that this is very important. But if we fell over the line through individual acts of brilliance, poor play by the other team or sheer tanking, then this achieves nothing and allows us to take nothing away from it. Many of our wins last year fell into the above category which is why we still remain a team of individuals.
Until we can win together, have confidence in each other and that our game plan will bring us success regardless of the scoreline then wins are meaningless. We need experience, we need quality players, we need belief and we need leadership and winning a few games at this stage of the season against the weaker teams gives us nothing to take into next season.
It all depends on the type of wins we string together, the opposition and when they are achieved, otherwise this 'Winning Culture' tag is nothing more than a mythical meaningless label.
Stripes
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Developing a 'winning culture' at the end of a year against tanking teams only to have that smashed into your face in the first game of the season and completely destroy any small amount of confidence and morale you had achieved the year before tells me that the importance of stringing a few wins together is extremely over rated and the benefits of it 'mythical'.
Confidence and belief is what you are really taking about and more importantly the understanding of yourself, your team mates and that what you are collectively doing will bring success. When people talked about how losing games for the rest of the year was counter productive to our future success and that winning games for the remainder of the year would allow us to develop this 'winning culture' I struggled and continue to struggle to understand.
If we strung together a series of close fought games against quality opposition where our belief in each other and confidence in our game plan was magnified then I agree that this is very important. But if we fell over the line through individual acts of brilliance, poor play by the other team or sheer tanking, then this achieves nothing and allows us to take nothing away from it. Many of our wins last year fell into the above category which is why we still remain a team of individuals.
Until we can win together, have confidence in each other and that our game plan will bring us success regardless of the scoreline then wins are meaningless. We need experience, we need quality players, we need belief and we need leadership and winning a few games at this stage of the season against the weaker teams gives us nothing to take into next season.
It all depends on the type of wins we string together, the opposition and when they are achieved, otherwise this 'Winning Culture' tag is nothing more than a mythical meaningless label.
Stripes
dont normally agree with you but i dont think i have read a post i agree with more than this.
:thumbsup
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Developing a 'winning culture' at the end of a year against tanking teams only to have that smashed into your face in the first game of the season and completely destroy any small amount of confidence and morale you had achieved the year before tells me that the importance of stringing a few wins together is extremely over rated and the benefits of it 'mythical'.
Confidence and belief is what you are really taking about and more importantly the understanding of yourself, your team mates and that what you are collectively doing will bring success. When people talked about how losing games for the rest of the year was counter productive to our future success and that winning games for the remainder of the year would allow us to develop this 'winning culture' I struggled and continue to struggle to understand.
If we strung together a series of close fought games against quality opposition where our belief in each other and confidence in our game plan was magnified then I agree that this is very important. But if we fell over the line through individual acts of brilliance, poor play by the other team or sheer tanking, then this achieves nothing and allows us to take nothing away from it. Many of our wins last year fell into the above category which is why we still remain a team of individuals.
Until we can win together, have confidence in each other and that our game plan will bring us success regardless of the scoreline then wins are meaningless. We need experience, we need quality players, we need belief and we need leadership and winning a few games at this stage of the season against the weaker teams gives us nothing to take into next season.
It all depends on the type of wins we string together, the opposition and when they are achieved, otherwise this 'Winning Culture' tag is nothing more than a mythical meaningless label.
Stripes
dont normally agree with you but i dont think i have read a post i agree with more than this.
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Totally agree and well said but you are wasting your time Stripes trying to convince some of these clowns on here. These same clowns would have walked out of the G last week all happy, i walked out totally amazed how bad we were. Winning games with a kick after the siren against the worst sided in the league while their coaching panel were completely not trying to win is not going to build a "winning culture".
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RFC confirmation......
Cotchin's season over
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen Thu 06 August, 2009
GUN RICHMOND midfielder Trent Cotchin's season is over after succumbing to a hip injury.
Cotchin has been injury-plagued since arriving at the club with the second pick in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, behind Matthew Kreuzer who went to the Blues.
Now 19, Cotchin missed almost the entirety of his first pre-season due to an inflamed achilles heel and a broken foot, but still played 15 games, finishing third in the NAB Rising Star award and collecting the gong as Richmond's best first-year player.
Cotchin's second pre-season was also interrupted by an achilles injury, after he hurt the other one due to over-training.
Although he had missed his second pre-season, Cotchin still managed to put together 10 games this year, averaging 18 disposals and taking 40 marks.
Earlier in the day, coach Jade Rawlings hinted at the severity of Cotchin's hip injury.
"He's had a hip he's been dealing with for a few weeks now, and he's pulled up a bit sore," Rawlings said.
"Anyone who was at the game the other day would have seen when he came on in the last stanza that he looked pretty sore."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82189/default.aspx
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"He's had a hip he's been dealing with for a few weeks now, and he's pulled up a bit sore," Rawlings said.
"Anyone who was at the game the other day would have seen when he came on in the last stanza that he looked pretty sore."
Then why did we play him when there's nothing to play for this year ???. Geez we have done too many dumb things year with our injured players starting with Foley and his ankle prior to round 1.
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"He's had a hip he's been dealing with for a few weeks now, and he's pulled up a bit sore," Rawlings said.
"Anyone who was at the game the other day would have seen when he came on in the last stanza that he looked pretty sore."
Then why did we play him when there's nothing to play for this year ???. Geez we have done too many dumb things year with our injured players starting with Foley and his ankle prior to round 1.
I agree, no defending this one to be honest
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Then why did we play him when there's nothing to play for this year ???. Geez we have done too many dumb things year with our injured players starting with Foley and his ankle prior to round 1.
& how many years l been other this problem. What makes me mad they dont learn.
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& how many years l been other this problem. What makes me mad they dont learn.
Probably a typical short-sighted self-preservation attitude due to us not believing we were good enough to win and make the finals without our best 22 on the park every week and we felt we couldn't afford to drop even one game through players being cautiously rested yet we'd lose the game anyway :P. So we risk our better players being out injured long-term by playing them nowhere near 100% instead of resting them for a couple of weeks and letting the player get over the injury. Okay you can't be cautious about every niggle and players never play 100% fit but there's been some blantant examples this year where the Club has let players play or go back onto the ground when they clearly shouldn't have and it's blown up in the Club's face. Foley wasn't right for round 1 but they jabbed his ankle to play and he's played all year like that until it finished his year early. I know playing lists aren't that large but we do have 40 players (45 including rookies). A coach sometimes has to be like a soccer manager and play the list to get through a whole season. Other clubs do it. Moreover given the shocker of a year and the "reward" for winning no more than 4 games it made no sense for us not to put our better players into cotton wool for the rest of the season if they are sore.
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& how many years l been other this problem. What makes me mad they dont learn.
Probably a typical short-sighted self-preservation attitude due to us not believing we were good enough to win and make the finals without our best 22 on the park every week and we felt we couldn't afford to drop even one game through players being cautiously rested yet we'd lose the game anyway :P. So we risk our better players being out injured long-term by playing them nowhere near 100% instead of resting them for a couple of weeks and letting the player get over the injury. Okay you can't be cautious about every niggle and players never play 100% fit but there's been some blantant examples this year where the Club has let players play or go back onto the ground when they clearly shouldn't have and it's blown up in the Club's face. Foley wasn't right for round 1 but they jabbed his ankle to play and he's played all year like that until it finished his year early. I know playing lists aren't that large but we do have 40 players (45 including rookies). A coach sometimes has to be like a soccer manager and play the list to get through a whole season. Other clubs do it. Moreover given the shocker of a year and the "reward" for winning no more than 4 games it made no sense for us not to put our better players into cotton wool for the rest of the season if they are sore.
exactly & thats what l can't understand, play the list & let players recover.
Doing that benefits the players & the club.
Sometimes l feel like Richmond recruit just to lift Coburg but the Richmond players dont have thier heart in it playing at Coburg & with all the experience in the Coburg side they still get beaten.
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exactly & thats what l can't understand, play the list & let players recover.
Doing that benefits the players & the club.
Sometimes l feel like Richmond recruit just to lift Coburg but the Richmond players dont have thier heart in it playing at Coburg & with all the experience in the Coburg side they still get beaten.
Yep struggling clubs desperate for any win that lacks depth and faith in players 23-46 on their list to step in as replacements and step up make that mistake.
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Hopefully Cotch finally gets a full preseason behind him. Sighted walking out of the Fitzroy pools by 'Wally Matera' from BF
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16141354&postcount=1
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Anyone heard of or know how well or bad Cotch is going so far. I know its only been a few weeks in but if he aint tearing up the tan now then we can look forward to another late start to the year.
he has the talent but showed hardly anything due to injury.
makes me laugh how some of you already label him a future captain.
get him on the park RFC, fit and not injured like your prone to do.
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Thanks for the near heart attack daniel :P lol
Cotch had some post season surgery IIRC so he's still coming back from that. I think he's still a few weeks? away.
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Hasn't had a real good run since coming to the club and it's becoming really annoying. :banghead
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Hasn't had a real good run since coming to the club and it's becoming really annoying. :banghead
not wrong there pal.
now coming back from another post season surgery means a delayed start to training, again.
Is this guy injury prone or what.
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Hasn't had a real good run since coming to the club and it's becoming really annoying. :banghead
not wrong there pal.
now coming back from another post season surgery means a delayed start to training, again.
Is this guy injury prone or what.
Mark Coughlan recarnation ;D another bad year & l would throw him to the gallows ;D
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Hasn't had a real good run since coming to the club and it's becoming really annoying. :banghead
not wrong there pal.
now coming back from another post season surgery means a delayed start to training, again.
Is this guy injury prone or what.
Reminds me a bit of Connors, this will be his first full pre-season for many years, lets hope we don't have the same probs with Cotch...
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Hasn't had a real good run since coming to the club and it's becoming really annoying. :banghead
not wrong there pal.
now coming back from another post season surgery means a delayed start to training, again.
Is this guy injury prone or what.
Mark Coughlan recarnation ;D another bad year & l would throw him to the gallows ;D
this is the year i reckon TM.
we need to start seeing something special because thus far all i have seen is glimpses and more injuries.
one more injury filled year and he should be shipped off to Wuppertal with DR Hanz Ritter for one last shot at fixing his injuries.
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Cotchin is not back to full training is he?
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Cotchin is not back to full training is he?
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No not from the reports I have heard, lets hope they are nursing him up to the point of pre-season full on training then he can join in....... :pray
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Cotchin is not back to full training is he?
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No not from the reports I have heard, lets hope they are nursing him up to the point of pre-season full on training then he can join in....... :pray
He isn't the only one not in fully training which is on 2 weeks into the pre-season. Blokes who have sugeries at the end of the season usually don't start full training straight away.
I wouldn't worry about Cotch - I think people need to put his "injuries curse" into perspective.
He was drafted with a foot problem that everyone knew about. Last season he over trainined by himself before pre-season and created a problem which he got over. When he finally came back he sustained a NEW injury in his hip/thigh. When it was clear that there was no point in continuing they ended his season. He had surgery to correct the hip problem and now he is being eased back (correctly) into training...
I would have thought that's what we want for them to get it right this time, take it slow and no short cuts
I don't think he is iinjury prone - if it was the same injury then I'd be concerned .. ::)
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Luke Hodge was injured a lot early in his career. Cotch will be ok.
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Cotch was on SEN from last week thanks to 'black' on Y&B
* Asked about his training programme and injuries he said he's on a modified programme and it's been difficult for him the last two years due to a lack of base training in the pre seasons
* Asked about the new coach and new methods etc he said Hardwick is instilling into all the players a belief in our list , a belief in the gameplan and team rules. Not just for now but for years to come * cue blueprint for success *
* More specifically he said the coaches have been taking them indoors before every training session for extensive theory sessions which he said was new and interesting. Also he said each individual player is being assigned there own specific development sessions. So all the players attend the theory sessions , followed by a group training session then they seperate into their assigned development groups to work on specific aspects of each players game.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=11153&page=22
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modified program. not the news i want to hear heading into another pre season.
looks like he will be gone for another half year at least.
3 years will pass, and we have hardly seen the bloke play.
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I believe he should be out of rehab around Feb :(
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I believe he should be out of rehab around Feb :(
Yeah this has gone on for too long, I mean I know everyone is saying be patient we don't want to ruin him and while thats true the way it's going he will be 24 before we know it. Have we got another Gogs scenario??
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very disappointing to hear and read!
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modified program. not the news i want to hear heading into another pre season.
looks like he will be gone for another half year at least.
3 years will pass, and we have hardly seen the bloke play.
Good onya Daniel - always looking for the positives :thumbsup
Ditto WA Tiger
The kid's 19 for crying out loud (doesn't turn 20 until next April) this is about the long term. You complained during 2009 about them playing blokes injured and now they are going about something the right way and you are still not happy
Here's a thought you don't reckon that the club actually has him on a modified program so he doesn't have the same problems in the past which have been caused by over doing it while his body is still maturing? Have him on a modifed program so he isn't finished at 24-25 because he was pushed to hard
I mean that wouldn't be smart would it :nope :nope
:yep :yep - I understand it is frustrating but personally I would rather they do it this way than any other.
Actually as I posted on another thread - Hardwick accepts it and he said they wont be rushing Cotch because it is all about the long term
Refer:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10348.105
I wrote
"....the week before at the Hafey Club function Hardwick, said that Cotch was on a modified program again. He asked Campbell which was it "his muscles are too big for his tendons or the other way around?" It just means they have to watch what he does as he's body is still developing (same thing they said about him last pre-season).
Dimma also said that they would not be rushing him. There are no more short cuts at Richmond and if that means Cotchin misses games so be it.... Dimma reckons Cotchin could be an elite of the competition"
Well on this one I will back Hardwick; he's made some tough decisions, now I'll back him to make right decisions about the long term
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Cotch will be fine. As WP said he is only 19 so is very young compared to alot of other players taken in his draft.
Trent will be our best player in 3 years. Bookmark it.
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modified program. not the news i want to hear heading into another pre season.
looks like he will be gone for another half year at least.
3 years will pass, and we have hardly seen the bloke play.
Good onya Daniel - always looking for the positives :thumbsup
Ditto WA Tiger
The kid's 19 for crying out loud (doesn't turn 20 until next April) this is about the long term. You complained during 2009 about them playing blokes injured and now they are going about something the right way and you are still not happy
Here's a thought you don't reckon that the club actually has him on a modified program so he doesn't have the same problems in the past which have been caused by over doing it while his body is still maturing? Have him on a modifed program so he isn't finished at 24-25 because he was pushed to hard
I mean that wouldn't be smart would it :nope :nope
:yep :yep - I understand it is frustrating but personally I would rather they do it this way than any other.
Actually as I posted on another thread - Hardwick accepts it and he said they wont be rushing Cotch because it is all about the long term
Refer:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10348.105
I wrote
"....the week before at the Hafey Club function Hardwick, said that Cotch was on a modified program again. He asked Campbell which was it "his muscles are too big for his tendons or the other way around?" It just means they have to watch what he does as he's body is still developing (same thing they said about him last pre-season).
Dimma also said that they would not be rushing him. There are no more short cuts at Richmond and if that means Cotchin misses games so be it.... Dimma reckons Cotchin could be an elite of the competition"
Well on this one I will back Hardwick; he's made some tough decisions, now I'll back him to make right decisions about the long term
poo sorry for venting WP as thats all I was doing, read the post again, I think you will find that 95% of the time I DO look for positives in everything just read my last few hundred posts about the new players coming to the club. Don't pounce on me because this whole Cotchin injury thing is dragging out and I am venting. Particularly when I have just read how good Kruz is going for his pre-season. Yeah I know the Blues had first pick, ra ra ra , VENTING THATS ALL!!!!
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modified program. not the news i want to hear heading into another pre season.
looks like he will be gone for another half year at least.
3 years will pass, and we have hardly seen the bloke play.
Good onya Daniel - always looking for the positives :thumbsup
Ditto WA Tiger
The kid's 19 for crying out loud (doesn't turn 20 until next April) this is about the long term. You complained during 2009 about them playing blokes injured and now they are going about something the right way and you are still not happy
Here's a thought you don't reckon that the club actually has him on a modified program so he doesn't have the same problems in the past which have been caused by over doing it while his body is still maturing? Have him on a modifed program so he isn't finished at 24-25 because he was pushed to hard
I mean that wouldn't be smart would it :nope :nope
:yep :yep - I understand it is frustrating but personally I would rather they do it this way than any other.
Actually as I posted on another thread - Hardwick accepts it and he said they wont be rushing Cotch because it is all about the long term
Refer:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10348.105
I wrote
"....the week before at the Hafey Club function Hardwick, said that Cotch was on a modified program again. He asked Campbell which was it "his muscles are too big for his tendons or the other way around?" It just means they have to watch what he does as he's body is still developing (same thing they said about him last pre-season).
Dimma also said that they would not be rushing him. There are no more short cuts at Richmond and if that means Cotchin misses games so be it.... Dimma reckons Cotchin could be an elite of the competition"
Well on this one I will back Hardwick; he's made some tough decisions, now I'll back him to make right decisions about the long term
if thats the case then fair enough.
i just want him on the park
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Trent Cotchin is a star and the best thing to happen to Richmond since Lids.
He will be one of the the comps best players within a couple of years.
Give this kid the time his body needs.
He won't let us down.
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"....the week before at the Hafey Club function Hardwick, said that Cotch was on a modified program again. He asked Campbell which was it "his muscles are too big for his tendons or the other way around?"
I am no medical expert but what's with Trent's achillies tendons?
I can't remember too many other young players having such prolonged issues with this injury. The hip surgery I can wear but if the tendons have flared again I am genuinely concerned.
We keep hearing that they are waiting for his body to 'mature' but it's been going on for some time now and the harsh reality is that this injury is now severely affecting his development as an AFL player.
Call me a pessimist but I am tapering my expectations from here in. He'll still hopefully be a good player but he's no longer a certain champ.
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Hasn't had a real good run since coming to the club and it's becoming really annoying. :banghead
not wrong there pal.
now coming back from another post season surgery means a delayed start to training, again.
Is this guy injury prone or what.
Mark Coughlan recarnation ;D another bad year & l would throw him to the gallows ;D
Pfffft that will go down as the biggest brain explosion I've ever read on any sporting forum .. ever.
Ludicrous.
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Just like any big man needs time some midfielders need there legs to mature.
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poo sorry for venting WP as thats all I was doing, read the post again, I think you will find that 95% of the time I DO look for positives in everything just read my last few hundred posts about the new players coming to the club. Don't pounce on me because this whole Cotchin injury thing is dragging out and I am venting. Particularly when I have just read how good Kruz is going for his pre-season. Yeah I know the Blues had first pick, ra ra ra , VENTING THATS ALL!!!!
"don't pounce on me" - that's funny :thumbsup ;D
Some comments were made and I posted an opinion and re-buttle, which you coul deven call venting. That's all ;D :rollin
And BTW who cares what Kruzner's doing with Carlton... didn't look to great on the news the other night doing the bike ride around Sorrento :lol :lol
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It seems that trent's problems stems from his muscles being too big for his tendons, as reported in another thread. I don't know if this is the case here, but this is the sort of problem that occurs when kids bulk up 'artificially' too quickly, while their body is still growing. By artificially i mean through excercise, either excess running or more likely weights. This is why we have to be patient with skinny kids and not expect them to bulk up overnight.
Again, im not saying this is the case with trent, although it could be, just that this is the type of problem that can occur.
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I couldn't find this on the web so I typed it out...
Easy does it for Trent
By Craig Hutchinson
Sunday Herald-Sun 06 Dec 2009, Page S20
RICHMOND is taking a cautious approach to the pre-season of star onballer Trent Cotchin.
The 19-year-old has been put on a modified program to nurse him through after battling injuries in his time at Tigerland.
Cotchin's manager, Anthony McConville, this week allayed fears of Cotchin re-injuring the achilles which has plagued the start of his AFL career, but admitted the Tigers were nursing him through.
``Obviously the Richmond Football Club are taking a cautious approach with Trent and his program this summer compared to his first two years,'' McConville said.
Cotchin managed 10 games between rounds eight and 18 in 2009 for a career tally of 25.
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Sunday Herald-Sun 06 Dec 2009, Page S20
RICHMOND is taking a cautious approach to the pre-season of star onballer Trent Cotchin.
The 19-year-old has been put on a modified program to nurse him through after battling injuries in his time at Tigerland.
``Obviously the Richmond Football Club are taking a cautious approach with Trent and his program this summer compared to his first two years,'' McConville said.
:gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
:rollin :rollin
Told Ya :thumbsup
:yep :yep
:eyebrow :eyebrow
:gotigers
COtch will be fine - have a bit of faith in the new regime
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Sunday Herald-Sun 06 Dec 2009, Page S20
RICHMOND is taking a cautious approach to the pre-season of star onballer Trent Cotchin.
The 19-year-old has been put on a modified program to nurse him through after battling injuries in his time at Tigerland.
``Obviously the Richmond Football Club are taking a cautious approach with Trent and his program this summer compared to his first two years,'' McConville said.
:gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
:rollin :rollin
Told Ya :thumbsup
:yep :yep
:eyebrow :eyebrow
:gotigers
COtch will be fine - have a bit of faith in the new regime
Lets just hope he is over it all before another 2 years rolls around.
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just hope he can play a full season next year!
:)
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just hope he can play a full season next year!
:)
Lets just hope he is over it all before another 2 years rolls around.
You see there is lies the problem - you are wanting everything to be great (right) for 2010.
This isn't just about 2010, it is about the next decade +
I want everything to be right for the next 10-12 years and if it means a few games get missed in 2010 to build for the future then so be it.
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just hope he can play a full season next year!
:)
Lets just hope he is over it all before another 2 years rolls around.
You see there is lies the problem - you are wanting everything to be great (right) for 2010.
This isn't just about 2010, it is about the next decade +
I want everything to be right for the next 10-12 years and if it means a few games get missed in 2010 to build for the future then so be it.
Sorry I missed the part in my post where I mentioned 2010.... :whistle. I have no problems with his rehabilitation, all I am saying is that it's becoming a little frustraiting and I hope we still are not rehabilitating him in 2 more years.!!!!!
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F H O !
:scream
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The earth is slow but the Ox is patient ;D
Cotch had post-season surgery and his rehab has gone to plan so far. If he's doing full preseason training by Christmas he'll be fine.
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Some lads burnout around 18, not everyone drafted is a super human & going to be a champion.
never forget Mark Coughlan ;D lots of injuries & cant keep pace to the game
players used to be happy to make 10 years, now its down to 7 years.
If Cotchin has a bad year 2010 you can write him off he will be too far behind the others
l hope this dont happen to him because he has talent
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Some lads burnout around 18, not everyone drafted is a super human & going to be a champion.
never forget Mark Coughlan ;D lots of injuries & cant keep pace to the game
players used to be happy to make 10 years, now its down to 7 years.
If Cotchin has a bad year 2010 you can write him off he will be too far behind the others
l hope this dont happen to him because he has talent
Wow.
Lets ask Gary and Carro?
Good call Bad Call
"Thats a reallll bad call Gary. Yep terrible call Carro"
How hard is it to talk some form of sense TM. I'm expecting your knowledge of the AFL to be at worst mediocre and you'd know how many success stories there are of players coming back from multiple injuries.
Just try at least post with some common sense. Tom Scully has post season surgery? If he doesn't set the world alight by 2011 delist him?
Atleast we know now where all the mental asylum inmates have gone.....
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Cotch is still only 19. Hardly write-off age ::).
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Some lads burnout around 18, not everyone drafted is a super human & going to be a champion.
never forget Mark Coughlan ;D lots of injuries & cant keep pace to the game
players used to be happy to make 10 years, now its down to 7 years.
If Cotchin has a bad year 2010 you can write him off he will be too far behind the others
l hope this dont happen to him because he has talent
Wow.
Lets ask Gary and Carro?
Good call Bad Call
"Thats a reallll bad call Gary. Yep terrible call Carro"
How hard is it to talk some form of sense TM. I'm expecting your knowledge of the AFL to be at worst mediocre and you'd know how many success stories there are of players coming back from multiple injuries.
Just try at least post with some common sense. Tom Scully has post season surgery? If he doesn't set the world alight by 2011 delist him?
Atleast we know now where all the mental asylum inmates have gone.....
Popelord STFU you dont know poo from clay fence sitter
just go back re read your comments to me about Coughlan sometime back
eat it
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I agree with MT, 19 is far too young to write someone off especially someone as talented as Cotch.
Props to the club for finally realising that needs to focus on rehab and the long term future of players rather than pumping them out there half baked in an effort to get some sort of short term success.
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Cotch is still only 19. Hardly write-off age ::).
yes fact his only 19 so what does that mean ? several Achilles, Hip, calf next ??? at 19 well lets compare him to Deledio ?? you can & give me the answer
His body was breaking down before he was even drafted, so thats telling you his body is being over stressed & breaking down
what is it that some of you dont understand
Not every player with excellent talent & skills makes it in the big league
Just because you are a low draft choice does not get you a instant free ticket to play AFL, it gets you a chance to try make it too the next level.
Then you must push harder to stay there, you must work extra hard to keep those at bay who want your spot in the side Where Richmond has failed badly or you must strive to push your body to new levels to take that spot from someone else while 5 others also want the same position
l'm not attacking Cotchin or any player here but merely pointing out his body might not be able to handle the punishment of AFL.
Same thing is happening to Polo, Thursfield, & could happen to Griffiths as his already suspect with his shoulders & other injuries he had.
His also had trouble staying on the field before being drafted, & now must push harder again to the next level his never been at & stay there so just a example there is no free ticket to success.
Example; Simmonds
trains hard at football then trains outside of training. Gets a personal trainer to push his body. Instructor in Martial Arts which requires good legs.
Pushed himself too far & suffered injuries & has never been right for 2 years & on brink of quiting because his body & mind are shutting down
So how hard must players work to stay at a constant level, are they being push too hard to a point they no longer enjoy football. ?
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- Judd was drafted with a degenerative shoulder.
Should he not have been drafted?
Then he had a sever groin problem that needed 2 surgeries.
Should he have been delisted?
Just the worst post I've ever heard. The kid is 19 years old.
- Ben Griffiths has had 3 or 4 injuries in his junior career - delist him?
This will go down as the worst post on this forum, just a dumb thing to say.
You'd have 15 clubs laughing at you all the way to the draft.
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I'm surprised that there's so much confidence that he'll be fine. Wait and
see pray I guess.
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While I agree that he is only 19 years old and the give him time rule has to come into play here, I am a little concerned about this story we keep hearing that he has to grow into his body. We have been hearing that since we drafted him and it's been injury after injury.
It is just frustrating to see another player that was regarded as the number 1 draft pick have so many body problems this early in his career. Fingers crossed I suppose that he gets over it all. Like MT said he is working his way back now to full pre season training so lets hope his body comes good.
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Just because you are a low draft choice does not get you a instant free ticket to play AFL, it gets you a chance to try make it too the next level.
Ummm Captain obvious.....I think RFC supporters are fully aware of the perils of the draft system. If any supporters are qualified to comment on this, its us!! That's why we can see the obvious difference between someone like Cotch and ummm....Fiora??
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we need a source to actually ask Trent when he will be fine! lol!
:)
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Storm in a tea cup.
He has possibly 15 years left of Football.
Relax. It's not like he's clogging the list holding back a Jay Schultz or an Andrew Raines....
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Storm in a tea cup.
He has possibly 15 years left of Football.
Relax. It's not like he's clogging the list holding back a Jay Schultz or an Andrew Raines....
shows how narrow minded you are popelord
re read my post again if you dont understand it
saying Cotchin has 15 years left of football is the dumbest statement l read here on the forum
sorry that many dont share your stupidity but l'm convinced now your not all with it
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Just because you are a low draft choice does not get you a instant free ticket to play AFL, it gets you a chance to try make it too the next level.
Ummm Captain obvious.....I think RFC supporters are fully aware of the perils of the draft system. If any supporters are qualified to comment on this, its us!! That's why we can see the obvious difference between someone like Cotch and ummm....Fiora??
Tiga
Fiora was cheated out of football by being coached by people who had no idea how to develope him any futher
This has also had its bad points on current players & until thats retified down at Tigerland people like Cotchin will continue to suffer
what l'm pointing out in my statement that some cant grasp like popelord is that if a player is breaking down prior to being drafted its much harder to overcome & raising the bar to reach the next level. Even harder when your instructors are happy with what they are doing :rollin
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Just because you are a low draft choice does not get you a instant free ticket to play AFL, it gets you a chance to try make it too the next level.
Ummm Captain obvious.....I think RFC supporters are fully aware of the perils of the draft system. If any supporters are qualified to comment on this, its us!! That's why we can see the obvious difference between someone like Cotch and ummm....Fiora??
Tiga
Fiora was cheated out of football by being coached by people who had no idea how to develope him any futher
This has also had its bad points on current players & until thats retified down at Tigerland people like Cotchin will continue to suffer
what l'm pointing out in my statement that some cant grasp like popelord is that if a player is breaking down prior to being drafted its much harder to overcome & raising the bar to reach the next level. Even harder when your instructors are happy with what they are doing :rollin
Ahhh I get it....Nature vs Nurture ;D
Maybe Fiora was dropped on his head when he was a baby?? ;)
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Storm in a tea cup.
He has possibly 15 years left of Football.
Absolute best case scenario Pope but most unlikely considering his leg injuries.
You are certainly taking a glass full approach to Trent.
These day plenty of AFL players are finishing up in their late 20s or younger and the reality of the modern game means this year's 19, is two decades ago's 23. Many a young onballers best work is done in these early years in the current AFL environment.
I don't care how it's dressed up. This pre season (coupled with the last two) sees Cotchin missing invaluable development as an AFL player.
He's no Schulz or Raines obviously and we all know that. His raw talent means he's a damn sight more valuable to us than either of those guys and may I remind you his acquisition is the direct result of a painful wooden spoon. This is the bonifide draft pick that's there to significantly help lift us out of the doldrums.
Perhaps I am sounding melodramatic but perhaps not too, Cotchin's recurring injuries should be a concern to all and you have you head in the sand if you think otherwise.
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Storm in a tea cup.
He has possibly 15 years left of Football.
Relax. It's not like he's clogging the list holding back a Jay Schultz or an Andrew Raines....
shows how narrow minded you are popelord
re read my post again if you dont understand it
saying Cotchin has 15 years left of football is the dumbest statement l read here on the forum
sorry that many dont share your stupidity but l'm convinced now your not all with it
At 19 years of age why coudln't he play to his 34?
You make no sense. A guy has missed 2 season with injury and you've wrote him off.
Laughable
Naive
Stupid
I could go on. This negativity that continues about everything really frustrates me. How many years have we given fit players like Jay Schultz, Adam Pattison, Andrew Raines, Daniel Connors all combined have 1 tenth of the talent that Trent has.
Many successful players have had longer times away from football and have had long and successful career.
Only the stupidest man on this earth would delist a skillful, level headed 19 year old because he was injured.
It is baffling how we're still talking about this. The guy is injured get over it, we don't need him to wina premiership this year or next. Who cares.
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Dumb. Dumb comments.
How can you generalize everyone who has an injury before draft having a cloud over there head. There are endless examples of draftees that have been drafted with injuries even serious. Tom Scully just had ankle surgery.. lets all explode our brains how he has 13 minutes to recover and win Melbourne a premiership or we "throw him to the gallows"
I just can't understand how a human being can't understand that the human body can be repaired.
This is plain laughable.
It's a disgusting attitude and I have no patience for anymore.
Just because you are a low draft choice does not get you a instant free ticket to play AFL, it gets you a chance to try make it too the next level.
Ummm Captain obvious.....I think RFC supporters are fully aware of the perils of the draft system. If any supporters are qualified to comment on this, its us!! That's why we can see the obvious difference between someone like Cotch and ummm....Fiora??
Tiga
Fiora was cheated out of football by being coached by people who had no idea how to develope him any futher
This has also had its bad points on current players & until thats retified down at Tigerland people like Cotchin will continue to suffer
what l'm pointing out in my statement that some cant grasp like popelord is that if a player is breaking down prior to being drafted its much harder to overcome & raising the bar to reach the next level. Even harder when your instructors are happy with what they are doing :rollin
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Storm in a tea cup.
He has possibly 15 years left of Football.
Absolute best case scenario Pope but most unlikely considering his leg injuries.
You are certainly taking a glass full approach to Trent.
These day plenty of AFL players are finishing up in their late 20s or younger and the reality of the modern game means this year's 19, is two decades ago's 23. Many a young onballers best work is done in these early years in the current AFL environment.
I don't care how it's dressed up. This pre season (coupled with the last two) sees Cotchin missing invaluable development as an AFL player.
He's no Schulz or Raines obviously and we all know that. His raw talent means he's a damn sight more valuable to us than either of those guys and may I remind you his acquisition is the direct result of a painful wooden spoon. This is the bonifide draft pick that's there to significantly help lift us out of the doldrums.
Perhaps I am sounding melodramatic but perhaps not too, Cotchin's recurring injuries should be a concern to all and you have you head in the sand if you think otherwise.
MM any injury is an obvious concern as how ever small the injury is there is a risk however small that it may never recover fully. Same as we're concerned about Foley's ankle or Cousins hamstring, could it be it?
I think to completely write off a 19 year old youngster who even at 50% fitness is still in our best 22 and future 22 with the concessions that GC and WS have.
No-one is happy with Trents injury. But complaining about it and talks of delisting after the year is the biggest brain explosion I've ever heard.
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go Trent Cotchin!
:)
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Popelord your a no brainer, you said the same thing about Mark Coughlan duh
Cotchin is already 2 years behind & another injury riddled season would make him tradeable
He has had 3 serious injuries repaired in 2 years & is not coming up well after surgery again & the club is resting him why ?? tell me Turkey
Its because his breaking down again, his body is struggling & so is his mind
What l like to know is how do you judge this player a highly talented champion when his played very few games & has not dominated any of them his played
Your football knowledge & labeling players future champions when they have done nothing shows your a idiot
Your a turkey who gobbles alot & does alot of scratching around forums & your a liar cause your not involved at TAC level at any club
your a TV bandit
have a good day gobbler l'm done replying to you !!!!!
& before you start l be glad to show you my football credentials in person even as recent as this year
:lol :shh
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have a good day gobbler l'm done replying to you !!!!!
& before you start l be glad to show you my football credentials in person even as recent as this year
Yeh mate....cuz we ll give such a stuff about your self proclaimed,superman football career. :wallywink
(the one where u couldn't hack the pressure of city life)
"BOO Hoo - I cant play footy here - I dont like the city - WAAAHHHHH - FLMFAO.
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have a good day gobbler l'm done replying to you !!!!!
& before you start l be glad to show you my football credentials in person even as recent as this year
Yeh mate....cuz we ll give such a stuff about your self proclaimed,superman football career. :wallywink
(the one where u couldn't hack the pressure of city life)
"BOO Hoo - I cant play footy here - I dont like the city - WAAAHHHHH - FLMFAO.
another no brainer who never played football BAH BAH
lived in the stinking city for 6 years soccer muncher
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go Trent Cotchin!
:lol
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Can I meet you one day TM? Share a beer? Get a Photo and an autograph maybe?
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Can I meet you one day TM? Share a beer? Get a Photo and an autograph maybe?
next season we will organize something where a heap of us can get together, have a drink & catch a game ;D
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Can I meet you one day TM? Share a beer? Get a Photo and an autograph maybe?
next season we will organize something where a heap of us can get together, have a drink & catch a game ;D
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
*he thinks ur serious*
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Leave the personal insults out of it folks and stick to the topic!
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Leave the personal insults out of it folks and stick to the topic!
Wasn't mucking around ppl. Snip! We don't expect everyone to love each other :cuddles but if you want to argue personally then leave it to PMs and offsite. Don't spoil the thread.
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Back onto the topic, i think that coz barely anything is happening down at tigerland ppl should stop trying to stir the pot with stupid threads about cotch (preseason has like just begun). hardwick is keeping anything that is happening on the down-low so stop trying to make news, so we can feel like we know what is going on on the inside. we can't really judge cotch properly yet as he hasnt played that many games. Give him a chance to get back into the game, then we can judge his performance.
Anyways players like cotch, lids and martin etc are the future of the club, people shouldnt be so critical so early.
:gotigers
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Can I meet you one day TM? Share a beer? Get a Photo and an autograph maybe?
next season we will organize something where a heap of us can get together, have a drink & catch a game ;D
Let me know when this is happening as I will try to get over for it.
Anyway I suppose we just need to sit back now and watch how Cotch comes along leading into the season. While I agree we need to understand the rehabilitation process it is still frustrating knowing that we have a potential champion in our side that has been unable to perfrom (regularly) since coming to the club.
My thoughts only!!
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Popelord your a no brainer, you said the same thing about Mark Coughlan duh
Cotchin is already 2 years behind & another injury riddled season would make him tradeable
He has had 3 serious injuries repaired in 2 years & is not coming up well after surgery again & the club is resting him why ?? tell me Turkey
Its because his breaking down again, his body is struggling & so is his mind
What l like to know is how do you judge this player a highly talented champion when his played very few games & has not dominated any of them his played
Your football knowledge & labeling players future champions when they have done nothing shows your a idiot
Your a turkey who gobbles alot & does alot of scratching around forums & your a liar cause your not involved at TAC level at any club
your a TV bandit
have a good day gobbler l'm done replying to you !!!!!
& before you start l be glad to show you my football credentials in person even as recent as this year
:lol :shh
Wow this is getting embarrassing. How has it gone from Cotchin to what either of us do off field lol.
Coughlan was given 3 years in his mid 20's to recover unfortunately he wasn't able to. He was rightfully given a chance to comeback but unfortunately wasn't able to comeback 100%. To claim similarities with a 28 year old injury Coughlan after OP, Knee, and chronic Hamstrings with Trent Cotchin who has had 1 Achillies injury and 1 Hip injury at 19 years of age is medically embarrassing.
Cotchin is an investment, by all means wave your arms and beat your chest about wanting to trade him. I'm wrapped the club is going to give him every chance to fulfill his potential and not explode internally and trade him in fear he may not play again at 19...
He trained fully today which has completely smashed the rubbish of his body breaking down along with his mind (laughable).
All the best Trent I'm all for giving you every opportunity to get right and continue to improve and repay the faith in your own way.
We can leave the gallows alone for the lonely supporters that simply scream and rant from there.
:gotigers
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Popelord your a no brainer, you said the same thing about Mark Coughlan duh
Cotchin is already 2 years behind & another injury riddled season would make him tradeable
He has had 3 serious injuries repaired in 2 years & is not coming up well after surgery again & the club is resting him why ?? tell me Turkey
Its because his breaking down again, his body is struggling & so is his mind
What l like to know is how do you judge this player a highly talented champion when his played very few games & has not dominated any of them his played
Your football knowledge & labeling players future champions when they have done nothing shows your a idiot
Your a turkey who gobbles alot & does alot of scratching around forums & your a liar cause your not involved at TAC level at any club
your a TV bandit
have a good day gobbler l'm done replying to you !!!!!
& before you start l be glad to show you my football credentials in person even as recent as this year
:lol :shh
shoot Cotchin in the head
Jake King for captian
ZOMG
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when they train in 2010, it will be interesting to see if Cotchin is training fully.
:)
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when they train in 2010, it will be interesting to see if Cotchin is training fully.
:)
He is training now from Stripes report on the training thread........ :thumbsup THANK THE LORD!!!!
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Cotchin makes his mark
SO HERE we are. Round eight this year at the MCG and it’s Richmond versus Hawthorn. And it’s close. Too close, in fact, for the Hawks when you consider that not only are the Tigers winless, but they are supposedly good things to become the first team since Fitzroy in 1964 not to win a game all season.
It’s the final quarter. Hawthorn needs one more goal to put the game away for good, but as good as its midfield is, it’s getting killed at the stoppages. And the player stopping the likes of Sam Mitchell, Brad Sewell and Shaun Burgoyne getting first use of the ball is Trent Cotchin.
The rest of the article is here
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/97106/default.aspx
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'Hungry' Cotchin happy to return
richmondfc.com.au
By Ben Broad
7:35 PM Sat 21 August, 2010
RICHMOND midfielder Trent Cotchin says his four-week lay-off from AFL football made him hungrier to make an impact when he returned against St Kilda on Saturday.
Cotchin and his Tiger teammates weren’t able to get the four points against the Saints, but the young midfielder played a big part in ensuring they stayed with last year’s grand finalists for much of the day.
After serving a four-match suspension Cotchin returned to have 22 possessions (11 contested) and two goals to be clearly among his side’s best.
“I was very, very hungry,” the 20-year-old told richmondfc.com.au after his side’s 21-point loss.
“Just being around the boys for those four weeks made it even tougher, and seeing them go through a couple of tough losses has made it even more difficult.
“But it’s not about me, it’s about the team and I was just happy to be back out there, helping them out, whether it was my voice or trying to win the footy and give it to someone else.
“I suppose that was the most important thing for me.”
Richmond was gallant on Saturday, leading by as much as 17 points before Ross Lyon’s men gradually got on top in the second half.
Despite the Saints’ apparent superiority in general play, the Tigers fought hard to boot 2.7 in the final term, and could have finished closer had it not been for some wayward kicking.
“With us, that’s what we’re working at - staying in games and giving ourselves opportunities to win,” Cotchin said.
“As much as you probably wouldn’t have thought that we had an opportunity to win in the last quarter, I suppose mid-way through the last quarter we still gave ourselves a good opportunity to compete well and I think we did that to the end.”
The Tigers have come a long way in 2010, and while Saturday will go down as a loss Cotchin said the performance was another sign his team was improving.
“Obviously a disappointing result but I thought we were in the thick of it for most of the game and showed that we can play a good brand of footy,” he said.
“They’re going to be a contender for the grand final this year, so it’s nice to keep up with them for most of the game.
“I think competing with top sides definitely gives you a lot of belief, especially with a young side.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/100883/default.aspx
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WOW - Really noticing his strength in the contests, turned into a real little bull.
So much to look forward to from this team as they develop together ;D :gotigers
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WOW - Really noticing his strength in the contests, turned into a real little bull.
So much to look forward to from this team as they develop together ;D :gotigers
Yeah his exciting.
When his fit, his a very damaging & cunning player. The more reliable his body gets the stronger he performs. His fearless can say that about him.
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Great game by Cotch. Showed the Saints midfield up for the talentless hacks they are.
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Totally agree with Chuck. Played a brilliant game.
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He won't have a hope in hell of winning mark of the week this week lol but you can still vote for Cotch's top mark at the top of the goalsquare here:
http://www.afl.com.au/competitions/mark/mark.aspx
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Cotchin eyes full pre-season
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
6:45 PM Tue 24 August, 2010
RICHMOND midfielder Trent Cotchin says his body has held up well this year, and he's looking forward to a full pre-season.
Cotchin was taken by the Tigers with pick two in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, but has been plagued by achilles and other leg injuries ever since.
He has been on a modified training program from the start, and played 15, 10 and 16 games in his first three years at the club.
But he has grown into his body, and says he's hoping to do a full training load over summer for the first time.
"I'll be in contact with the rehab and conditioning guys over the off-season, but I think we'll slowly ramp it up, and hopefully I'll be in a full pre-season this year, rather than a modified program," he said at Punt Rd on Tuesday.
"It's been an okay year, and it was really nice just to get through the pre-season without any downside.
"To play most of the games being fit and available - aside from my report - has been really exciting for me, and it just gives me a lot of faith and confidence going into next year."
Cotchin admitted he had been working hard on his defensive game - after averaging around two tackles a game for the first two years, he has nearly doubled that in 2010.
"Defensive pressure is obviously one of the most important parts of the game now, and that's how you create turnovers and opportunities to score on the other end of it.
"Personally, I've got to improve my defensive game, and that's what I've been working on for this season."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/101085/default.aspx
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Exciting to think how good Cotch can be with a full preseason behind him. :gotigers
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More of the fairy floss news you get this time of the year relating to footballers.....
The Cotch plate
Herald Sun, 22-10-2010, Pg: 105
"IT'S not the silverware Trent Cotchin hopes to hold, but the Richmond midfielder was happy to get his hands on the Cox Plate yesterday. Cotchin and partner Brooke Kennedy will be trackside at Moonee Valley tomorrow for the nation's premier weight-for-age race..."
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Video of Cotch discussing his draft experiences
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiPmtqR67HQ&feature=player_embedded
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Video of Cotchin and Martin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J6qsvNxAiM&feature=player_embedded
It left me drooling.
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sprogged
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It left me drooling.
Understandibly. Time for the club to step up the Tiger is Stirring campaign with some of this vision + Jack.
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After watching that footage I noticed some other game highlights from last season which also had be punching the air! :gotigers The West Coast Game and Brisbane gae particularly :cheers
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Thanks for sharing that link. Sends a tingle down the spine. Cant wait for the boys to rip into it Rnd 1.
And with that my OER virginity is broken. Great site, been a longtime reader.
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Thanks for sharing that link. Sends a tingle down the spine. Cant wait for the boys to rip into it Rnd 1.
And with that my OER virginity is broken. Great site, been a longtime reader.
Good to hear from you TLR. And how much do we all want to give the Scum what they deserve in R1! :gotigers
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Video of Cotchin and Martin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J6qsvNxAiM&feature=player_embedded
It left me drooling.
:clapping
Just found out I have a G-spot
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Dimma on Cotch's game...
Hardwick said Cotchin, 21, was "elite" at the centre bounces and would only improve.
"We still feel he's only scratching the surface of what he's capable of," Hardwick said.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/martin-fires-tigers-to-win-over-north-20110424-1dsxg.html
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Video of Cotchin and Martin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J6qsvNxAiM&feature=player_embedded
It left me drooling.
:clapping
Just found out I have a G-spot :lol
Funniest comment of the year brilliant :lol :lol
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This is my own take on things ,but was wondering whether trent tends to spray the ball at times because he lacks that little bit of extra pace that people like ablett,judd,etc have,thus ensuring they can break free and steady for the kick...what do you guys think?
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Walls tonight called Cotchin elite. Loves his balance as a footballer.
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i agree but his pace just worries me a little
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i agree but his pace just worries me a little
Not sure why, you can see the way he breaks away from packs that this isn't a weakness
I think his running style just looks slow, his testing as a junior showed that he had a 20m sprint of around 2.8-2.9 secs which is in the top bracket
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i agree but his pace just worries me a little
wtf he is quick, he just has a hunched over running style which him "appear" slow but he is deceptively quick and powerful
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dont think this is a problem either. he has enough pace to break away from the contest, not Deledio type speed but pretty good nevertheless.
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Afl Clearances.
#1. Cotchin. 50.
#2. Judd. 49.
#3. Swann. 44.
#4. Murphy. 38.
#5. Boyd. 37.
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If we keep faith in young Trent and support him maybe sometime in the future
he will turn into a solid Foot solder.
Popelord your a no brainer, you said the same thing about Mark Coughlan duh
Cotchin is already 2 years behind & another injury riddled season would make him tradeable
He has had 3 serious injuries repaired in 2 years & is not coming up well after surgery again & the club is resting him why ?? tell me Turkey
Its because his breaking down again, his body is struggling & so is his mind
What l like to know is how do you judge this player a highly talented champion when his played very few games & has not dominated any of them his played
Your football knowledge & labeling players future champions when they have done nothing shows your a idiot
Your a turkey who gobbles alot & does alot of scratching around forums & your a liar cause your not involved at TAC level at any club
your a TV bandit
have a good day gobbler l'm done replying to you !!!!!
& before you start l be glad to show you my football credentials in person even as recent as this year
:lol :shh
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Afl Clearances.
#1. Cotchin. 50.
#2. Judd. 49.
#3. Swann. 44.
#4. Murphy. 38.
#5. Boyd. 37.
Cotch is #1 in effective clearances as well.
Top Clearance winners per game
T. Cotchin 8.3
C. Judd 8.2
S. Mitchell 7.5
M. Boyd 7.4
D. Swan 7.3
S. Black 7.2
G. Ablett 7.0
D. Brogan 6.8
B. Sewell 6.8
A. Sandilands 6.6
Top effective clearance winners per game:
Trent Cotchin 4.7
Chris Judd 4.2
Dane Swan 3.8
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=821293
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Cotchin class on show
By Paul Daffey
richmondfc.com.au
Sun 08 May, 2011
WITH his ability to extract the ball in close as well as make space out wide, Richmond playmaker Trent Cotchin has a rare dual capacity. Couple that with his ability to mark and kick a goal and you have just about the complete midfielder.
Cotchin, however, has been unable to show his full array of gifts before this year because of injury. He missed large chunks of the first three years of his Tigers career because of Achilles injuries in both feet and a shoulder problem.
This year the 21-year-old is showing the benefit of his first full-pre-season. His form has been excellent, but rose to new heights during the 49-point victory over Fremantle at the MCG.
Cotchin had 25 possessions (17 kicks and eight handballs) and kicked four goals, but he was reluctant to concede it was his best game, or even that it was his best game this season.
"I'm just aiming to be consistent," he said.
Part of his reluctance was his wish to acknowledge the performance of his direct opponent, Matthew Pavlich, who also played an excellent game.
Pavlich, taking advantage of ruckman Aaron Sandilands' dominance, had 10 clearances and picked up 33 possessions. Cotchin was disappointed that he was not able to limit the Fremantle captain's output.
"I was happy enough with my game," he said, "but Pavlich did get a bit of it at the stoppages."
The manner of Cotchin's goals showed his range of abilities. In the second quarter, he took a forearm jolt that earned him a kick for too high and slotted the set shot from 35 metres.
In the third quarter he tore the middle, took a pass from Jack Riewoldt and kicked a running goal.
In the last quarter, he set off Richmond's irresistible surge be creating space and kicking truly from 40 metres at the nine-minute mark.
Three minutes later, he was forced to twist and turn in the goalsquare before popping through his fourth goal for the match.
Cotchin's weekly improvement has mirrored the performance of his team. At this rate, they can both look forward to highly productive seasons.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/113324/default.aspx
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His kicking worries me, appears to kick alot of floaters. A little unconvincing from my own observation.
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Popelord your a no brainer, you said the same thing about Mark Coughlan duh
Cotchin is already 2 years behind & another injury riddled season makes him tradeable
He has had 3 serious injuries repaired in 2 years & is not coming up well after surgery again & the club is resting him why ?? tell me Turkey
Its because his breaking down again, his body is struggling & so is his mind
What l like to know is how do you judge this player a highly talented champion when his played very few games & has not dominated any of them his played
Your football knowledge & labeling players future champions when they have done nothing shows your a idiot
Your a turkey who gobbles alot
Richmond Football Club 3,
Tiger monk 0
That's Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin that have all embarrassed you.
I know the forum doesn't like personal insults, but when muppets come on here run their mouth and put down our club they deserve a fair whack when they are proved wrong.
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Genius.
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In the third quarter he tore the middle, took a pass from Jack Riewoldt and kicked a running goal.
It was a great goal but a magnificent kick by Jack
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The Cotch is a gun :thumbsup
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In the third quarter he tore the middle, took a pass from Jack Riewoldt and kicked a running goal.
It was a great goal but a magnificent kick by Jack
On the non preferred left too!
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If we keep faith in young Trent and support him maybe sometime in the future
he will turn into a solid Foot solder.
A solid footsoldier? :lol
That is a joke, isn't it Bents?
His kicking worries me, appears to kick alot of floaters. A little unconvincing from my own observation.
Harsh imo. I don't want to see players like Cotchin lining up the perfect drop punt. He is getting contested possession in such tight situations that he would get cleaned up if he even tried it.
Outside mids like Houli and Grigg- yes they should be kicking drop punts.
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Grigg outside? ??? That dude is tough as nails and wins a sh! t load out contested ball
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Cotch's guernsey from the Freo game is up for auction:
https://secure.auctiondesq.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=item&auctionid=24800&orgid=1751
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I hope the proceeds go to the F.T.F.
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Trent Cotchin is emerging as a legitimate Brownlow medal contender this year. In and under clearance machines like Cotch don't always turn the umpys on (what the hell was that holding the ball against Cotch in the 4th, no one even tackled him!) but it's pretty hard not to notice the sheer talent.
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Here's Cotch after receiving the best on ground award....
(http://cdn2.slatterymedia.com/thumbs/main/231149.jpg)
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Here's Cotch after receiving the best on ground award....
(http://cdn2.slatterymedia.com/thumbs/main/231149.jpg)
Being a boomarang, does he have to give it back? :shh
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Being a boomarang, does he have to give it back? :shh
:lol
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What the hell was that holding the ball against Cotch in the 4th, no one even tackled him!
I reckon it was Celebrity Umpiring at its finest!
"Umps working overtime to restore normality to the Universe. Essendon must be a better side than Richmond, therefore Richmond can't win, therefore I better pluck some free kicks from the air to restore the normal course of events" - Someone on here has said that before and it is one of the basic facts of footy as long as Geishen is the maggot's coach - Apologies for not remembering who said it first.
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Fantastic game. Developing into an elite midfielder
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Fantastic game. Developing into an elite midfielder
what do u mean
he already is
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I reckon he'll Win a brownlow before his career is finished. Maybe 2
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What the hell was that holding the ball against Cotch in the 4th, no one even tackled him!
I reckon it was Celebrity Umpiring at its finest!
"Umps working overtime to restore normality to the Universe. Essendon must be a better side than Richmond, therefore Richmond can't win, therefore I better pluck some free kicks from the air to restore the normal course of events" - Someone on here has said that before and it is one of the basic facts of footy as long as Geishen is the maggot's coach - Apologies for not remembering who said it first.
Yeah its a great call. Superb Post has happened for years.
It's so obvious when this happens, also when a team is 10+ goals down and they string a few together they get the rub of the green "Restoring normailty, the comeback is always entertaining spectible it's what fans want to see.."
Also the square up happened a fair bit last night. Leroy Jetta took a pretty obvious mark that wasn't awarded. Crowd weren't happy. Stoppage occured, Ump picked out probably the softest free as he knew he made a mistake. Would prefer the ump to see the replay and go hang on that's a mark, apologies Leeroy take your kick.
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some one should work for no idea, i mean new idea
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Trent Cotchin Starshot
Price: $395.00
(https://assets.clubsonline.com.au/assets/shopdesq/products/images/main/Cotchin-Starshot-300.jpg)
Includes a Tour of the new ME Bank Centre hosted by Trent Cotchin.
The tour will be held in mid July or August, depending on what suits Trent's schedule best.
Showcasing the brand new football department, function centre and indigineous centre at the ME Bank Centre.
This will be communicated to all successful purchasers via email in the coming weeks.
The piece will be finished and made available for collection on the day of the tour.
Each comes personally signed by Trent and individually numbered.
Please call (03) 9426 4419 between 9am and 5pm Monday to Friday if you would like more details.
Dimensions 530mm x 410mm
Please note: If you are not collecting this piece from the Richmond Football Club please include in comments and courier charge will be sorted at a later date.
https://secure.shopdesq.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product&productid=20389&orgid=1751
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Trent Cotchin after the swans game
He missed a quick pick up and fast onto the boot goal that would have got Richmond pretty close in the last. After the game when everyone had cleared out he went back out in the rain still geared up and practiced kicking that goal.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21316968&postcount=1
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Trent Cotchin after the swans game
He missed a quick pick up and fast onto the boot goal that would have got Richmond pretty close in the last. After the game when everyone had cleared out he went back out in the rain still geared up and practiced kicking that goal.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21316968&postcount=1
I love this bloke. Champion.
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Cotch was another one who was terrific last night. He can hurt the opposition both on the inside and outside but his in and under work last night stood out. 30 possies, 13 contested, 5 inside 50s and this week he nailed the tough goal in tarrific in the 3rd quarter :thumbsup.
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That goal was pure silk
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Gave me a stiffy.
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Cotchin > Martin ...
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Cotchin to the fore
Richmond's Trent Cotchin is another player who might be considered for the Brownlow if not for the fact that his team is likely to finish well outside the top eight.
Cotchin has been clearly Richmond's best player this season, and he ranks highly when compared with the best midfielders.
The 21-year-old is in the top five for kicks and top 10 for contested possessions.
The top five in the contested possession count are Matthew Boyd (250), Chris Judd (246), Sydney's Josh Kennedy (244), Matt Priddis (239) and Andrew Swallow (236).
All those players are mature footballers with at least five or seasons of senior football behind them.
Cotchin is 10th on the list with 204 contested possessions.
He had 38 disposals (25 kicks and 13 handballs), 21 contested possessions and 13 clearances in the Tigers' 62-point loss to Geelong at Etihad Stadium on Sunday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/119501/default.aspx
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Despite us getting smashed, Cotch still received 6 votes from both coaches (Hardwick and Chris Scott):
Geelong v Richmond
9 Matthew Scarlett (Geel)
6 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
6 James Kelly (Geel)
5 Joel Corey (Geel)
4 Allen Christensen (Geel)
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Stood tall against quality opposition.
Once fit he has become our best player very quickly.
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Should captain in 2012 IMO.
Never gives in, expects 100%, is there working hard whether we are down by 100 points or not and clearly is our barometer.
All due respect to Chris, as I think hes done a fine job in arguably the hardest couple of years to captain (Wallace mess, Richo retiring, Cousins circus, lack of success).
Its time to give the new blood the ropes, Trent is our man.
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Anyone else worthy of being our captain?
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One more year before the handover I reckon, let's let Cotchin develop a little more as an individual player. He is still only 21.
All for giving him the VC in 2012 though.
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Anyone else worthy of being our captain?
no. not any one even close to being ready to take it on anyway.
perhaps tuck ?
:outtahere
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I want the Chimp as skipper ASAP. He's already a gun and he'll be a stuffing good captain. Leads by example and never sulks
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His attack on the ball is so ferocious. Crashes into packs with absolutely no fear. :clapping
He was scragged and harassed by a hack of a player yesterday.
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His attack on the ball is so ferocious. Crashes into packs with absolutely no fear. :clapping
He was scragged and harassed by a hack of a player yesterday.
Agree, He really stood up when we needed him yesterday, the kid is s true leader 8)
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Echo those sentiments boys. Spiritual leader now and should be out and out captain next year.
Feel that he will grow as a player even further with a responsibility as skipper. Do it Tiggers. :thumbsup
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absolute star is young cotch
outstanding leader
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Up until 3 qtr time had been well held by Bartam who had done a terrific job
But the mark of a really good player & LEADER is the ability to stand up and drag your team over the line in a crunch situation. Cotch did that yesterday in the final qtr
Great effort :clapping
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Captain cub
By Adam McNicol
Mon 22 Aug, 2011
FROM the moment he was drafted in 2007, people at Richmond have spoken of Trent Cotchin as a potential future captain.
Promoted to the leadership group after the 2009 season, the star midfielder had his first taste of captaincy when he led the Tigers into battle against Melbourne early last year.
And when usual skipper Chris Newman went down with a knee injury against Geelong a month ago, Cotchin was given another chance to fill the key role.
Three games into his stint as captain, the 21-year-old is revelling in the extra responsibility.
"I think as a leadership group we've spoken about what's required as a leader, and that's just playing your role to the best of your ability," Cotchin said at the ME Bank Centre on Monday. "That's the best way to lead.
"I've tried to listen to the guys that are around me and everyone's shown their support since I've been voted in as acting captain."
Cotchin has led Richmond to wins over the Sydney Swans and Melbourne in the past two weeks, and has been a key contributor in both games.
He collected 29 possessions to be among the best against the Swans, and although heavily tagged by the Demons, he still managed to pick up 18 touches and boot a crucial goal in the final quarter.
"The team's been fantastic," Cotchin said. "It's a team game and the efforts they've been putting in towards the changes in our structure have been good and they've been working for us."
Cotchin believes that having the title as captain has had an impact on the way he plays.
"If you are getting tagged or something like that you have to keep thinking about what's best for the team, and what action I can make to try and get the team up and going," he said.
"No doubt, I've been trying my hardest all year and being named as acting captain hasn't made me want [the ball] any more, but I'm definitely putting in my best efforts."
Nevertheless, Cotchin isn't about to try and steal Newman's job. In fact, he doesn't expect the position to become available on a full-time basis for at least another two seasons.
"Chris has done a fantastic job throughout a tough period at Tigerland," he said. "He's been fantastic this year and I'm only learning as much as I can off him at the moment.
"Everyone looks up to him at the football club, and the way he acts on-field and off-field.
"There's no doubt in my mind that he's going to be the leader for the next couple of years."
Having impressed in his role as captain, Cotchin tried his hand at coaching on Monday afternoon when he took India's International Cup team for a training session on the Punt Road Oval.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/121662/default.aspx
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-happy-to-follow-leader-chris-newman/story-e6frf9jf-1226119996460
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Hope. :gotigers
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Another game from Cotch where he lead from the front. The captaincy keeps sitting very well on his shoulders.
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Season highlights of our Jack Dyer Medalist :thumbsup
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/388458/trent-cotchin-season-highlights/
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MEDIA ALERT: Jack Dyer winner Trent Cotchin will be on Channel 10 sport at approx. 5.40pm.
Source: RFC twitter
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Cotch told Ch 10 he definitely wants to be captain of Richmond when the opportunity arises as it's been a goal of his to be a leader at whichever club he is at be it when he was at junior club or now in the big league. In saying that he said Newy is doing a great job as captain and he and the team want to reward Newy with playing finals after he's been through all the tough times.
Cotch also praised Dusty for being loyal as he could have got the same as Tom Scully at GWS. The Club is a great place to be around and we all believe we are going places.
:thumbsup
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They should have put that half volley pickup and turn against Essendon in the dreamtime game, one of the classiest passages of play of the year.
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They should have put that half volley pickup and turn against Essendon in the dreamtime game, one of the classiest passages of play of the year.
Spot on Tony
Poetry in motion that was, just sublime
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Cotch told Ch 10 he definitely wants to be captain of Richmond when the opportunity arises as it's been a goal of his to be a leader at whichever club he is at be it when he was at junior club or now in the big league. In saying that he said Newy is doing a great job as captain and he and the team want to reward Newy with playing finals after he's been through all the tough times.
After the last month of the season as fill in captain, Cotch has all but sewn up being Newy's successor as captain.
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They should have put that half volley pickup and turn against Essendon in the dreamtime game, one of the classiest passages of play of the year.
Agree totally. That goal just makes me smile.
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Hamish McLaughlan from Ch 7 has offered Cotch his plane seat home from Bali...
"Another tremor here in Bali as wife and I checking out of hotel. Pretty scary stuff. May have outstayed our welcome."
"All ok Robbo but quietly pretty happen to be on the way home tonight. Soph too. Cotchin/NBrown/NBuckley all staying put."
"Ok.....given public demand...Cotchin is taking my seat & coming home with my wife tonight...I'll follow tomorrow!!!!"
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Everyone loves the Chimp <3
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(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg857/scaled.php?tn=0&server=857&filename=utxa.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
http://yfrog.com/ntutxaj
Q. What time is it?
A. Time for me to tear the competition apart in 2012 :thumbsup
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Gee these orange runners let me fly around the ground........
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The stuff people post on the Web lol ....
(https://p.twimg.com/Ae12x0MCIAAHPKq.jpg)
https://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/KacieMcLean_BTC/status/138897761708941312/photo/1
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Still bigger than half the side.
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That photo of him shows that he hasn't changed his grip of the footy since he was a kid. He loves having both palms right around the centre of the pill. Most players like to hold it down more towards the bottom pointy end of the ball.
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%20A-E/TrenttyNEW246b.jpg)
http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%20A-E/TrenttyNEW246b.jpg
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Trent the Tiger top gun
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 27 Dec, 2011
The following article was featured in the 2011 Fighting Tiger Yearbook.
In essence, it was all fairly predictable . . . Trent Cotchin completes his first full pre-season at Richmond and, six months later, wins his inaugural Jack Dyer Medal.
For the first three years of his AFL career, the ultra-talented Cotchin was hampered with injury problems - predominantly a troublesome Achilles heel - which forced him to operate within the confines of a modified training program.
Such is his professionalism and sheer ability, he was still able to play some very good football and tantalise the Tiger Army with his on-field exploits.
But, being the driven individual that he is, the No. 2 pick (overall) in the 2007 National Draft was seeking more.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/127587/default.aspx
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From RFC twitter:
"Be sure you check out the lift out in the Herald Sun for the Trent Cotchin poster!"
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From RFC twitter:
"Be sure you check out the lift out in the Herald Sun for the Trent Cotchin poster!"
Shaun Grigg stuck the poster of Cotch on Trent's locker ;D...
(http://c0014214.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b5e4d35)
http://lockerz.com/s/190729525
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how was his game today?
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He was great
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Should be captain. Fearless monster
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ohh yeahh
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God like.
Thou shall have no mercy
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the man....
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Kruezer cup my clacker...We won that draft by a country mile picking up Cotch.
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Should be captain. Fearless monster
Quality comment. :thumbsup
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My heart was in my mouth everytime he went near the ball, terrified he is going to get injured before rd 1.
Time to wrap up our future Brownlow medalist in cotton wool.
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His 2nd and 3rd efforts stand out to me. Absolutely fearless. :thumbsup
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Doubts made Trent Cotchin work harder
Matt Windley
From: Herald Sun
March 28, 2012
WAITING for the first bounce in the Round 1 game against Carlton a year ago, Trent Cotchin had doubts about his standing in the AFL.
Injuries to his achilles and hip had limited his impact in his first three seasons and virtually ruined every summer training campaign.
But when the new Richmond vice-captain heads to the centre tomorrow night, those doubts will be gone.
Two injury-free pre-seasons on the bounce and a career-best year in 2011, in which he won the Tigers' best-and-fairest, have left the 22-year-old more confident than ever.
Where did Mike Sheahan rank Trent Cotchin in the Top 50?
And Cotchin knows his game can only get better.
"For me, I still think I've got definite ground to make up in fitness compared to a lot of elite midfielders in the competition," Cotchin said.
"You can always make your game better in some ways, so I'm always looking for different ways to get better.
"Just look at Chris Judd, he seems to get better every year.
"Last year it was just good to get 22 games into the body and all that does is give you confidence in your body going in to the season following.
"I think when you have the confidence in your body that you can put in a four-quarter effort, you can start to direct and drag guys along with you and that's critical in a young side."
Cotchin said the doubts he felt last year might have pushed his game to a new level.
"I think you always have doubts, but I think if you don't doubt yourself, you never work harder to get to that next level," the midfielder said.
"It was different for me last year. Because I had missed my first two pre-seasons, last year's was my first actual pre-season, even though it was still a bit modified.
"So I probably still had more confidence than I'd had in previous years. Now I've had a full season under my belt as well, and when you've got a good team in and around you, that always gives you that bit more hope and belief."
Cotchin said being appointed vice-captain during the off-season was not an honour, it was a responsibility.
And he didn't shy away from his ambition to captain the Tigers once Chris Newman has retired.
"Chris has done a fantastic job," Cotchin said.
"He went through a tough time when he was first put in to the captaincy role and obviously that helped him grow.
"He's been fantastic for, not only me, but the leadership group and all the younger players at the club. It's definitely something I aspire to be, a leader of the club, and when that time comes, if it comes, I'll grab it with both hands and hopefully make the most of it."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/doubts-made-trent-cotchin-work-harder/story-e6frf9jf-1226311773141
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From the AFL site....
By Paul Daffey
Fri 18 May, 2012
Hardwick has compared Tigers midfielder Trent Cotchin with one of the greatest players of the modern era, former Essendon champion James Hird, for his ability to take the ball below his knees.
Hardwick was a teammate of Hird's at Essendon for eight seasons, from 1994 to 2001.
Hardwick told Access All Areas Cotchin has the potential to become one of the competition's best players.
"Defensively he's got some areas we'd like him to be a little bit better at," Hardwick said.
"But I don't think I've seen a better player - it's a big comment, I know - as clean below his knees and then have the ability to distribute as cleanly as he does.
"He has a Hird-like quality in that area."
Hardwick said Cotchin's ability to get in and out of traffic and make something happen is as good as he's seen in his playing and coaching careers.
He also noted Cotchin's marking ability, which is excellent for a player of his size.
Hardwick said it's this ability that will give him the confidence to send Cotchin to the goalsquare for part of the game against Essendon during the Dreamtime at the 'G game on Saturday night.
Cotchin and fellow midfielder Dustin Martin last week alternated at full-forward during Richmond's 29-point victory over Sydney Swans.
Cotchin ended up goalless but was widely considered to be the best player on the ground through his work on the ball.
Martin kicked one goal.
Cotchin, 22, has played 71 games and kicked 40 goals since making his debut in 2008.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=136201
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"Trent Cotchin might make the Blues look silly for taking Matthew Kreuzer at no.1 in 2007."
http://www.bigpondsport.com/eye-of-the-tiger/tabid/91/newsid/88884/default.aspx
Not the first time I've read or heard this today. They asked this question on SEN earlier today too.
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We keep winning and Charlie could end up around Cotch's neck by the end of year. Elite isn't a strong enough word for the way he's playing now. Cotch is becoming an absolute freak. That once in a generation footballer that as a footy club you'd die for. He's so strong in the hips and has great balance he rarely gets knocked off the ball or loses his feet in traffic and his awareness is out of this world. That 20m handball out of the corner of his eye behind him to Jack on the wing was unbelievable.
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he and deledio are our two rolls royces
deledio is locked in long term, must lock in the chimp as well
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Brownlow Medallist :thumbsup
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Tigers form no fluke: Cotchin
By Adam Jones
Saturday, June 02, 2012
Source: BigPond Sport
Richmond midfielder Trent Cotchin credits confidence, consistency and big Ivan Maric for the Tigers' stunning about face in the past two weeks.
Richmond edged ever closer to the top eight with a spirited eight-point win over St Kilda on Friday night, capping off a tremendous fortnight after their 10-goal demolition of Hawthorn the previous weekend.
Cotchin, who amassed 29 possessions in the victory, says after a number of honourable losses the Tigers are building the belief needed to carry them into finals calculations.
"We speak about our belief and confidence and how much it's improving each week, but that comes with the ability to implement the game plan we're trying to play, and also to play our role within the side," Cotchin told BigPond Sports Weekend.
"The boys have been really good in sticking to the structures for the whole season, but more so the last month, and we're starting to get the reward for it.
"We played really good footy against Hawthorn last week and probably didn't play to our best last night but got the result in the end, and that's what's required if you're going to play finals footy.
"You see those teams that are always in the top eight, they get the wins even when they are on the back foot. It's a credit to the guys for sticking fat and making sure that we did get the result."
Saints coach Scott Watters attempted to put the heat on the Tigers prior to the game by declaring Richmond's midfield the best in the AFL, a claim which was quickly shot down by opposing coach Damien Hardwick.
Cotchin says talent-wise the Richmond engine-room is "pretty reasonable", but the real key is consistent performances across the board.
"It's just been a matter of gelling together and making sure that we get the best out of each other, and I think that's what we're starting to see," Cotchin said.
"There's been consistent performances from the top players in Dusty (Dustin Martin) and Lids (Brett Delidio), but also the guys who have come from other clubs who are playing their role like (Shaun) Grigg and Bachar Houli and big Ivan.
"They're really starting to have an impact on the group. That's the most exciting thing for us - we've got a real bond within the midfield, but the forward-line and the defensive group are also starting to come together."
Maric has been a revelation since being picked up from Adelaide at the end of last season. The big ruckman had 33 hitouts, 20 disposals and a goal against the Saints, and will press for All-Australian selection if his rich run of form holds.
"He's been outstanding, big Iv. He came across from Adelaide looking for another opportunity and he's grabbed it with both hands," Cotchin said.
"Not only is he performing on the field, but he's a tremendous leader around the club. With the character that he has, he's taken up with some of our younger ruckmen and our younger players who look up to him.
"It's a fantastic story - someone who has lacked opportunity and comes to a new club and is not only taking our team up the ladder, but his name is becoming more and more influential within the AFL."
http://www.bigpondsport.com/tigers-form-no-fluke-cotchin/tabid/91/newsid/89158/default.aspx
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MACHINE
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Best footballer i have seen come through in the last 5 years
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id be willing to say 20-25 years.Actually I cant think of anyone id say would be better than him since Rioli, and even then that would be debatable, but they are different types of players.
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Al I should clarify and say best player in the last 5 years in the whole league not just richmond
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id be willing to say 20-25 years.Actually I cant think of anyone id say would be better than him since Rioli, and even then that would be debatable, but they are different types of players.
Ricoh and Knights were pretty good over 15 years Al but he is definitely up there
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Al I should clarify and say best player in the last 5 years in the whole league not just richmond
You know what....the fact that you really didn't need to clarify that statement, but we still understood it's context, speaks volumes regarding how much we all respect the kid.
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We keep winning and Charlie could end up around Cotch's neck by the end of year. Elite isn't a strong enough word for the way he's playing now. Cotch is becoming an absolute freak. That once in a generation footballer that as a footy club you'd die for. He's so strong in the hips and has great balance he rarely gets knocked off the ball or loses his feet in traffic and his awareness is out of this world. That 20m handball out of the corner of his eye behind him to Jack on the wing was unbelievable.
agree totally MT.
I have a few friends that follow the cats and after watching the tigers games I normally get a few texts from them saying he is just like Abblett jnr.
Apparently he's ahead of him in all the key stats at the same age but i'm not really sure about that.
I have alot of guy love for him & my kids know all about it. So glad he's wearing the yellow & black.
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Al I should clarify and say best player in the last 5 years in the whole league not just richmond
You know what....the fact that you really didn't need to clarify that statement, but we still understood it's context, speaks volumes regarding how much we all respect the kid.
nah, he did need to clarify it for me :laugh: :thumbsup
i just took it as meaning richmond :wallywink,
(probably because i have said a number of times to friends recently that he is best player i have seen at richmond in long time)
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We keep winning and Charlie could end up around Cotch's neck by the end of year. Elite isn't a strong enough word for the way he's playing now. Cotch is becoming an absolute freak. That once in a generation footballer that as a footy club you'd die for. He's so strong in the hips and has great balance he rarely gets knocked off the ball or loses his feet in traffic and his awareness is out of this world. That 20m handball out of the corner of his eye behind him to Jack on the wing was unbelievable.
agree totally MT.
I have a few friends that follow the cats and after watching the tigers games I normally get a few texts from them saying he is just like Abblett jnr.
Apparently he's ahead of him in all the key stats at the same age but i'm not really sure about that.
I have alot of guy love for him & my kids know all about it. So glad he's wearing the yellow & black.
I wouldn't worry about whether he is ahead of ablett at the same time, it's all about how much they improve, Gaz went from average to superstar. Dane swan was a lmao player, shocking, is absolutely elite. Not that I don't think cotch will be elite, almost already is but I cringe when I hear that about our players - tabling was also ahead of McLeod in all key stats after 3 years lol
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He's a Hayes/Ablett hybrid.
Effing gun!!!
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The blessed one has strapped the team on his back, and we are in for one hell of a ride.
Could he be to Richmond, what James Hird was for Essendon all those years ago...
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Deledio is kouta-like
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Kouta was an overrated 1 year wonder spud
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Kouta was an overrated 1 year wonder spud
Garbage.
He was a super gun for a long long time
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No he wasn't
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KoutA > hird
Chimp = voss
Lids = kouta
Martin = riccito
:shh
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lol I would take Hird at his best over Kouta any day of the week
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Na kouta at his best was a machine
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Kouta was an overrated 1 year wonder spud
He was a champion. Indeed for a 2 year period he played the game in a way that I have never seen any other player play it. He was robbed of a Norm Smith medal in a grand final, if he was our player we would all claim him as a champion.
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Yeah but we claim Shane Edwards as a champion.
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he's not?
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id be willing to say 20-25 years.Actually I cant think of anyone id say would be better than him since Rioli, and even then that would be debatable, but they are different types of players.
Ricoh and Knights were pretty good over 15 years Al but he is definitely up there
Well ahead of knights
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he's not?
Forgive me. ;D
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id be willing to say 20-25 years.Actually I cant think of anyone id say would be better than him since Rioli, and even then that would be debatable, but they are different types of players.
Ricoh and Knights were pretty good over 15 years Al but he is definitely up there
Well ahead of knights
On what basis?
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VIDEO: Cotch talks about the four-week block the boys work off and how important it is to beat GWS
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/138361/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
and
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/458611/Cotchin%20press%20conference/
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From SportsNewsFirst...
Cotchin, 22, revealed after the Tigers upset two-goal loss to Fremantle that he had felt slightly alarmed after he lost the feeling in his arm.
Hornsby said the classy on-baller would be monitored for the rest of the week.
“Trent will be fine,” Hornsby said.
“He just got a knock to the elbow and we looked after him early in the week.
“But we normally do, with the guys who are playing week-in, week-out.
“He’ll train fully on Thursday and be available to play.”
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/06/13/foley-to-boost-tigers-for-giant-clash/
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id be willing to say 20-25 years.Actually I cant think of anyone id say would be better than him since Rioli, and even then that would be debatable, but they are different types of players.
Ricoh and Knights were pretty good over 15 years Al but he is definitely up there
Well ahead of knights
On what basis?
Just more of a pure/good footballer
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Cotch is a better player than Knighta was IMHO. Cotch if he continues will go down as one of the all time greats of the Richmond Football Club.
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Cotch is a better player than Knighta was IMHO. Cotch if he continues will go down as one of the all time greats of the Richmond Football Club.
At 27 years old, Richo is the best player I've seen in Richmond colours.
Cotchin is 2nd.
Weightman 3rd. (Only saw 1990 onward)
Knights/Cambo equal 4th.
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Didn't u see Rioli ?
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Didn't u see Rioli ?
Had the same thoughts.
I'm older so I'll add KB and Royce!
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Heard this morning his brownlow odds have gone from $250 down to $21
Wish I had put a $10 on at start of the year :shh
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Heard this morning his brownlow odds have gone from $250 down to $21
Wish I had put a $10 on at start of the year :shh
I'm an idiot.. I put money on Dustin instead of Cotch before the season started.
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Infidel
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Heard this morning his brownlow odds have gone from $250 down to $21
Wish I had put a $10 on at start of the year :shh
I'm an idiot.. I put money on Dustin instead of Cotch before the season started.
Yeah, hindsight is great really.
I probably would of put it on cotch if I was into betting, but at the start of the season- the talk was on how dustys had a great preseason and how he is ready to explode. Makes sense putting money on him then- not so now.
Fwiw I don't gamble and last year I was so convinced prior to the cairns game we were going to lose I was gonne put a couple hunge on GC. Really strong feelin bout that. And wish I did.
I have the same strong feeling bout pendles for brownlow and pies for flag.
Although talk is on jobe for brownlow, pies for flag into buddy for coleman. :shh
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Whats the james hird to miss 8 market at
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Just on Cotch being better than Knights.. There is no way he is better right now.
At the end of his career, yes I would say he would end up the better player if he keeps going at this rate.
Have not seen a player tear up a team like Knighter did Essendon in that 95 final.
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Heard this morning his brownlow odds have gone from $250 down to $21
Wish I had put a $10 on at start of the year :shh
$21 ? I got him at $25 three weeks ago and went to have another go this week and he was $11 so I didn't bother. Tell me where I can get $21 and I'm going again
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We need Ottens back.
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We need Ottens back.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how much better Ottens was than Cotchin is.
Cotch couldn't carry that superstar's bags
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only because davey carries them around in his mouth
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We need Ottens back.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how much better Ottens was than Cotchin is.
Cotch couldn't carry that superstar's bags
You don't belong on this website. Go elsewhere and talk about how Graham is a poor mark and how Jacko is a master shut down man.
;D
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We need Ottens back.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how much better Ottens was than Cotchin is.
Cotch couldn't carry that superstar's bags
You don't belong on this website. Go elsewhere and talk about how Graham is a poor mark and how Jacko is a master shut down man.
;D
You don't belong on this website. Go elsewhere and talk about how Graham is a great mark and how bad Jacko is.
Old fart.
:cheers
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only because davey carries them around in his mouth
:lol
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You don't belong on this website. Go elsewhere and talk about how Graham is a poor mark and how Jacko is a master shut down man.
;D
I'm like Kung Fu mate , I roam the earth searching for answers about Angus
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We need Ottens back.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how much better Ottens was than Cotchin is.
Cotch couldn't carry that superstar's bags
You don't belong on this website. Go elsewhere and talk about how Graham is a poor mark and how Jacko is a master shut down man.
;D
You don't belong on this website. Go elsewhere and talk about how Graham is a great mark and how bad Jacko is.
Old fart.
:cheers
:( ;D
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Just on Cotch being better than Knights.. There is no way he is better right now.
At the end of his career, yes I would say he would end up the better player if he keeps going at this rate.
Have not seen a player tear up a team like Knighter did Essendon in that 95 final.
KB in the 1980 finals series was unstoppable and let's not forget the grandfinal.... Stan Magro wasn't the only one that was dizzy watching him work his magic. I was at both games and also at the '82 final and Maurice was fantastic against the blooze. As good as knights was that day both were better.
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Whats the james hird to miss 8 market at
Priceless
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Heard this morning his brownlow odds have gone from $250 down to $21
Wish I had put a $10 on at start of the year :shh
I jumped on at $51. So did someone else on this forum, could have been one of the old farts....
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Heard this morning his brownlow odds have gone from $250 down to $21
Wish I had put a $10 on at start of the year :shh
I jumped on at $51. So did someone else on this forum, could have been one of the old farts....
I jumped on Dusty at $51.
Cursinnggg
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Cotchin on the rise
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 21 Jun, 2012
Star Richmond midfielder Trent Cotchin has moved into third place in the prestigious AFL Coaches Association’s Player of the Year Award.
Cotchin’s odds for this year’s Brownlow Medal have also tightened considerably in recent weeks, and he is now one of the top fancies for the game’s esteemed individual award.
Full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/139163/default.aspx
Cotch is 16th favourite at $31 for the Brownlow Medal (source: Centrebet)
http://www.centrebet.com/brownlow-medal-betting
AFL Coaches Award Leaderboard
55 Matthew Boyd (WB)
55 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
54 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
52 Scott Thompson (Adel)
49 Jobe Watson (Ess)
47 Gary Ablett (GC)
47 Brent Stanton (Ess)
42 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
40 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
38 Lance Franklin (Haw)
38 Scott Selwood (WCE)
38 Rory Sloane (Adel)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/138914/default.aspx
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Cotch lagging behind scott selwood... ::)
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VIDEO: Trent Cotchin after the game ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/464383/default.aspx
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The inside 50 pass to maric wad unbelievable.
Cotchin >>> knights
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Tigers to rebound
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 02 Jul, 2012
Richmond vice-captain Trent Cotchin is confident the Tigers will quickly put into practice the valuable lessons they learned from last Saturday’s 19-point loss to Adelaide at AAMI Stadium.
“We got off to a flyer and played the way we had planned to all week, and it showed on the scoreboard,” said the midfield star.
“They’re a fantastic side and we took it up to them for a fair period of the game, but just didn’t want it enough at the right time.
“We went away from a few things that we were doing really well in the first quarter. We made some poor errors and went into our shell a bit, and didn’t take the game on like we wanted to in the second half.
Read the whole article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/140170/default.aspx
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Every time he talks he leads, does young Trent.
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Cotch is second in the AFL coaches' votes after round 14:
LEADERBOARD
67 Jobe Watson (Ess)
59 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
59 Scott Thompson (Adel)
58 Matthew Boyd (WB)
55 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
52 Dayne Beams (Coll)
49 Brent Stanton (Ess)
47 Gary Ablett (GC)
47 Lance Franklin (Haw)
47 Dane Swan (Coll)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/140257/default.aspx
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Cotch is second in the AFL coaches' votes after round 14:
LEADERBOARD
67 Jobe Watson (Ess)
59 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
59 Scott Thompson (Adel)
58 Matthew Boyd (WB)
55 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
52 Dayne Beams (Coll)
49 Brent Stanton (Ess)
47 Gary Ablett (GC)
47 Lance Franklin (Haw)
47 Dane Swan (Coll)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/140257/default.aspx
20 easy votes up for grabs for him in the next 2 rounds! :pray
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Have heard that Chimp is filthy with Jackson
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Have heard that Chimp is filthy with Jackson
Pics, or it didn't happen
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Left ranga pubes on the soap.
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ftp://
Left ranga pubes on the soap.
Pic's or it didn't happen!
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Last saturday morning at work I was to Nathan Brown's show on MMM. He was talking about the Christmas break in Bali and how one night he met up with Cotch and was looking forward to hitting the pee with him. At about 9:30pm and only 2 or 3 beers Cotch said that he was done and time to leave. They left together and Browny jump on his hired scooter, when Cotchin stopped him and said "put your helmet on, you have a daughter now."
This bloke is a champ and will be an unbelievable captain. He's the kind of captain that would have said to Dusty yesterday, "pull your bloody head in" and you would, and you would feel so embarrassed he had to tell you that you do everything and anything to win back his favor.
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He's the kind of captain that would have said to Dusty yesterday, "pull your bloody head in"
Do I read this right? You blokes want me to give it another crack :clapping
Pull your head in. Never happening.
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Need a huge agme from him to beat Melbourne
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Tuck might taken votes off him
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Not everyone was terrible yesterday ...
VIDEO: Cotchin class
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/469031/default.aspx
or
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/469031/Cotchin%20class/
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Robbo gave Cotch the personal win over Ablett ....
7. Cotchin v Ablett.
The best players going head-to-head is a welcome return to football as taggers take a back seat. Cotchin v Ablett was the sub plot in the enthralling finish, but the win goes to Cotchin. He had 38 touches to Ablett's 33, and only played 72 per cent of the game. Ablett won clearances and tackles, but Cotchin for a period seemed to carry his whole team.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/richmond-crawls-out-of-cairns-after-bank-job-goes-awry/story-fn5937w8-1226426663483
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go chimp. :thumbsup
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Thank God we have this guy.
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The same god who was against us :huh
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Top 5 in the Brownlow this year !!!.At times made Ablett look second rate.
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Cotch just one point behind Watson now in the Coaches votes...
Leaderboard
71 Jobe Watson (Ess)
70 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
68 Scott Thompson (Adel)
66 Matthew Boyd (WB)
63 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
60 Dayne Beams (Coll)
55 Gary Ablett (GC)
52 Sam Mitchell (Haw)
52 Joel Selwood (Geel)
50 Kieren Jack (Syd)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/141673/default.aspx
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The same god who was against us :huh
lol
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needs to clean up his disposal
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Wish more people in the team had his attitude
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needs to clean up his disposal
The hard won, in and under, clearance winning disposal?
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Who got on him for the Charlie before the season started?
I stupidly got on Dusty at the same odds.
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needs to clean up his disposal
The hard won, in and under, clearance winning disposal?
Nah the in the clear hit someone on the tit or over the top kicks that he has a tendancy to miss
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Who got on him for the Charlie before the season started?
I stupidly got on Dusty at the same odds.
got them both at $51 & think I got Lids at bigger odds... Just 20 on each, if we make finals I reckon cotch is every chance! absolute jet.
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Who got on him for the Charlie before the season started?
I stupidly got on Dusty at the same odds.
Yep got him at $51. Beers are on Cranny & Dooks if he gets up :cheers
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chimp outshines that Jobe bloke.. :lol
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Cotch is leading the Coaches' votes :thumbsup
LEADERBOARD
75 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
71 Jobe Watson (Ess)
68 Scott Thompson (Adel)
67 Dayne Beams (Coll)
66 Matthew Boyd (WB)
65 Gary Ablett (GC)
63 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
59 Sam Mitchell (Haw)
52 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
52 Joel Selwood (Geel)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/142451/default.aspx
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If he wins, should the award be taken away? I mean, Hutchy said Cotch isn't good enough yet for the Brownlow. But is he good enough to win an award that the coaches (what the stuff do they know??) vote on? If so, why is he good enough to win this award but not good enough to win a medal that Steve McBurney & Friends vote on? Surely the coaches have no idea.
Help
Regards,
The Coach
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If he wins, should the award be taken away? I mean, Hutchy said Cotch isn't good enough yet for the Brownlow. But is he good enough to win an award that the coaches (what the stuff do they know??) vote on? If so, why is he good enough to win this award but not good enough to win a medal that Steve McBurney & Friends vote on? Surely the coaches have no idea.
Help
Regards,
The Coach
On form,
Cotch officially passes Judd this year.
Make our choice not to go after Judd look like it was the right thing to do
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We did have a crack at Juddy. AFL helped Carlton get the deal done
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We did have a crack at Juddy. AFL helped Carlton get the deal done
Correct, pursued Judd to the ends of the earth!! Can't believe we couldn't get it over he line ::)
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The way the boy wills him self to effect the play is just awesome.
Couple times in the last quarter hes thrown himself.head first
:bow
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and the way he guards the "space" of the ball in both marking and contested ball.
Cant teach that poo
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Best thing is his second/third efforts. Just pushes him self from 50 to 50
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Cotch is now also second in the The Age player of the year votes ...
Jobe Watson (Essendon) 105
Trent Cotchin (Richmond) 102
Gary Ablett (Gold Coast) 87
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) 78
Lenny Hayes (St Kilda) 76
Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide) 76
Joel Selwood (Geelong) 76
Scott Thompson (Adelaide) 72
Dayne Beams (Collingwood) 66
Andrew Swallow (North Melbourne) 66
Dane Swan (Collingwood) 65
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/age-footballer-of-the-year-round-18-votes-20120729-236w8.html#ixzz222CLUR1F
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Cotch is still leading the AFL Coaches Award :thumbsup
Leaderboard - Round 18
80 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
75 Jobe Watson (Ess)
72 Scott Thompson (Adel)
70 Gary Ablett (GC)
67 Dayne Beams (Coll)
66 Matthew Boyd (WB)
66 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
59 Sam Mitchell (Haw)
58 Dane Swan (Coll)
57 Andrew Swallow (NM)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143082/default.aspx
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The best midfield player I've seen at rfc since KB
The complete package of greatness
Hope he plays 400games he's great to watch
:ocotch
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Good to see Cotch break a hard tag. Rainesy could only contain him for a half. Once Cotch broke free of the shackles in the second half he was a big reason we kicked away in the 3rd qtr.
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Cotch in front by one vote now in the Coaches' Award ...
LEADERBOARD
83 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
82 Jobe Watson (Ess)
74 Scott Thompson (Adel)
73 Dayne Beams (Coll)
73 Matthew Boyd (WB)
72 Gary Ablett (GC)
71 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
64 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
61 Andrew Swallow (NM)
60 Kieren Jack (Syd)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143800/default.aspx
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The best midfield player I've seen at rfc since KB
The complete package of greatness
Hope he plays 400games he's great to watch
:ocotch
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What happened to Dud, Delist?
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Carey said that Cotchin is the best on baller in the comp :cheers
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needs to clean up his disposal
The hard won, in and under, clearance winning disposal?
What'd you think of that kick that arguably cost us the game against the Kangas in the last?
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needs to clean up his disposal
The hard won, in and under, clearance winning disposal?
What'd you think of that kick that arguably cost us the game against the Kangas in the last?
We were 10 points down with 4 to play and Cotch took a chance. If anything the player he kicked it too could have attacked it harder rather than waiting for it and allowing the Nought opportunity to spoil for Campbell to kick to extend the lead.
Under the circumstances we needed to get the ball moving.
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:lol
I googled 'Cothcin Carey' in order to find an article about Carey talking up Chimpy. This was the first thing that came up:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13708.0
Onya, Dooks! :thumbsup
:lol
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needs to clean up his disposal
The hard won, in and under, clearance winning disposal?
What'd you think of that kick that arguably cost us the game against the Kangas in the last?
We were 10 points down with 4 to play and Cotch took a chance. If anything the player he kicked it too could have attacked it harder rather than waiting for it and allowing the Nought opportunity to spoil for Campbell to kick to extend the lead.
Under the circumstances we needed to get the ball moving.
Couldn't remember the exact circumstances haha.
I don't mean to flog the guy, he is a gun and probably my favourite player. But I still believe he has a shakey disposal
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But I still believe he has a shakey disposal
>:(
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.. >:(
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needs to clean up his disposal
The hard won, in and under, clearance winning disposal?
What'd you think of that kick that arguably cost us the game against the Kangas in the last?
We were 10 points down with 4 to play and Cotch took a chance. If anything the player he kicked it too could have attacked it harder rather than waiting for it and allowing the Nought opportunity to spoil for Campbell to kick to extend the lead.
Under the circumstances we needed to get the ball moving.
Couldn't remember the exact circumstances haha.
I don't mean to flog the guy, he is a gun and probably my favourite player. But I still believe he has a shakey disposal
..... :huh3...erm......
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:lol
I googled 'Cothcin Carey' in order to find an article about Carey talking up Chimpy. This was the first thing that came up:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13708.0
Onya, Dooks! :thumbsup
:lol
;D
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I tried to ask the king this the other day - he was on the phone with a beer. Thought best not to bother him
He is about 3 Shane Edwards wide :-X
:lol
I googled 'Cothcin Carey' in order to find an article about Carey talking up Chimpy. This was the first thing that came up:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13708.0
Onya, Dooks! :thumbsup
:lol
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I tried to ask the king this the other day - he was on the phone with a beer. Thought best not to bother him
He is about 3 Shane Edwards wide :-X
Lost weight on the coke?
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what an amazing footballer.saw a sublime game by him today.Surely is quickly becoming the premier midfielder in the competition.
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Sublime is the word.
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Class Class Class :thumbsup
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i watch him and think finals are coming eventually
I dont care if he misses the occasional shot from 40 metres out, for me it doesnt matter
He is a complete freak, seriously
The best midfielder i have seen. Lids is a very close second.
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Spot on Dan
Did you see the pass to Jack - I don't know if he could believe it himself
And the way he beats opponents even from behind is amazing
If we won a few more games he would be favorite for the Brownlow.
MMM - would you swap half a Cotch for Krewzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - Never
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was discussing that today. Kruzer will be a great player but Cotch is a complete freak.
Will be putting a $20 on his for Brownlow this week.
Think when we had our soft patch, Pendlebury was missing and Swan was quiet
I think it will come down to Watson and Cotch.
For S Thompson to get off that high bump makes me think he is close as well to, and the AFL stepped in
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Deserves to be wearing the number 17 sooner rater than later
Pity in away that number 17 is the captains number because he deserve it without the title if that makes sense
Though he should be captain ASAP too :thumbsup
Has to be show for the Brownlow now
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was discussing that today. Kruzer will be a great player but Cotch is a complete freak.
Will be putting a $20 on his for Brownlow this week.
Think when we had our soft patch, Pendlebury was missing and Swan was quiet
I think it will come down to Watson and Cotch.
For S Thompson to get off that high bump makes me think he is close as well to, and the AFL stepped in
Should have jumped on when he was 51-1 like me and an thingy - ma - who -zee
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10 AFLCA Player of the Year Votes
3 Brownlow Votes
Give him the Captaincy NOW!
Stuff wearing the No.17 tradition ...
Give the No.17 who portraits the Jack Dyer attitude, eg: Stephen Morris ...
Cotchin Captain, Deledio Vice Captain for the next 8 years and we will be a powerhouse football club!
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3 votes today for an outstanding performance. How many brownlow votes has he got?
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Deserves to be wearing the number 17 sooner rater than later
Pity in away that number 17 is the captains number because he deserve it without the title if that makes sense
Though he should be captain ASAP too :thumbsup
Has to be show for the Brownlow now
Dunno if I'm the only one that thinks this but, anyone else think the whole "wear the number 17" if your captain thing is a real wank? Just seems something like a poo club would do like a Bulldogs or North, something to gain PR, we don't need it. Cotchin is our number 9 and should stay that way captain or not.
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10 AFLCA Player of the Year Votes
3 Brownlow Votes
Give him the Captaincy NOW!
Stuff wearing the No.17 tradition ...
Give the No.17 who portraits the Jack Dyer attitude, eg: Stephen Morris ...
Cotchin Captain, Deledio Vice Captain for the next 8 years and we will be a powerhouse football club!
100% agree torch.
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was discussing that today. Kruzer will be a great player but Cotch is a complete freak.
Will be putting a $20 on his for Brownlow this week.
Think when we had our soft patch, Pendlebury was missing and Swan was quiet
I think it will come down to Watson and Cotch.
For S Thompson to get off that high bump makes me think he is close as well to, and the AFL stepped in
Should have jumped on when he was 51-1 like me and an thingy - ma - who -zee
just put $20 on him through centrebet. Got 17/1
Not sure if that includes todays results. Seems long but its only $20 and its Cotch
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Deserves to be wearing the number 17 sooner rater than later
Pity in away that number 17 is the captains number because he deserve it without the title if that makes sense
Though he should be captain ASAP too :thumbsup
Has to be show for the Brownlow now
Dunno if I'm the only one that thinks this but, anyone else think the whole "wear the number 17" if your captain thing is a real wank? Just seems something like a poo club would do like a Bulldogs or North, something to gain PR, we don't need it. Cotchin is our number 9 and should stay that way captain or not.
+1
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Deserves to be wearing the number 17 sooner rater than later
Pity in away that number 17 is the captains number because he deserve it without the title if that makes sense
Though he should be captain ASAP too :thumbsup
Has to be show for the Brownlow now
Yep has played inspired footy. Won ball today he had no right to win. Freak footballer.
Thing is with alot of narrow losses this year is that the umps will still give him votes.
Will be a real show to take Charlie home. :thumbsup
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just put $20 on him through centrebet. Got 17/1
Not sure if that includes todays results. Seems long but its only $20 and its Cotch
Done your money cold. That market is for leading after r10. At least only $20. Will provide you with an interest
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just put $20 on him through centrebet. Got 17/1
Not sure if that includes todays results. Seems long but its only $20 and its Cotch
Done your money cold. That market is for leading after r10. At least only $20. Will provide you with an interest
lol i just saw that. Dizzy boy. $20 jack
i thought it was too good to be true to have odds of that after today.
still good odds he had a great start but so did many others. Hard to see spuds like Davey and Jetta stealing votes off Watson
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That pass Cotchin gave Jack early in the last was sublime.
Rather than kick it to where Jack was he put it in front of Jack and forced him to get on his bike lead and take the mark.
Authoritative without saying a word.
Pity Jack missed from 25.
Cotch is a freak. One time in a generation footballer.
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CHIMPING
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yet another day at the 'G watching in awe as this man dominates the opposition.
i agree give him the captaincy, lids VC. leadership group of mullet, morris, newman.
chimpy for PM
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Have not yet seen the game.
Just saw stats - 3g 35 post
Lol 8)
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I tried to ask the king this the other day - he was on the phone with a beer. Thought best not to bother him
He is about 3 Shane Edwards wide :-X
Lost weight on the coke?
Carey huge. Monster.
I'd almost draft him.in the brad miller role
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Tiger Cotchin a star: Hardwick
Chloe Saltau
The Age
August 13, 2012
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has placed Trent Cotchin in elite company for his best-afield performance against the Western Bulldogs, comparing his evasive skills with those of Chris Judd and his command of the contest with that of Wayne Carey at a similar age.
Cotchin was the most significant force in stopping a Bulldogs challenge in the third quarter of yesterday's game at the MCG, during which the Tigers' lead was cut to six points. The young Richmond star had 35 touches for the match and kicked three goals, and Hardwick said he should be considered a rough chance for the Brownlow.
''He's right up there, there's some outstanding players in the league at the moment, make no doubt about that, but he would certainly be worth a little bit of a plunge I would say,'' Hardwick said.
''It's hard to judge from upstairs but he has had an outstanding year, there's no doubt about that, he and Brett Deledio. Trent is one of those players, there is probably not another player quite like him, his ability to get inside, then outside, is second to none and he is probably very similar to Chris Judd in that way in getting out of traffic where other players would just crumble in the tackle. We're very lucky to have him at this footy club and he's going to be a better player considering he's only 22.''
Asked whether he had known another player to take command of a match like Cotchin at his age, Hardwick said: ''There are very few players who can do that. A young Wayne Carey, those type of players.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-cotchin-a-star-hardwick-20120812-242u7.html#ixzz23MAWINuF
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Outstanding game. A genuis. His second efforts and tackling were inspirational.
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Dunno if I'm the only one that thinks this but, anyone else think the whole "wear the number 17" if your captain thing is a real wank? Just seems something like a poo club would do like a Bulldogs or North, something to gain PR, we don't need it. Cotchin is our number 9 and should stay that way captain or not.
I'm actually a supporter of the captain wearing number 17. Think it's a good idea and have always supported the concept especially after Spud disrespected the number and what it stood for when he handed the number to Paul Hudson
However, ever once and a while we have a player that should have the honour of wearing the most revered number of the RFC and that is number 17.
I've watched 2 blokes in the last 30 years who wore that number with distinction in Rioli and Broderick. Right now Rioli is the best player I've seen in a Tiger jumper but I have to admit if Cotch keeps going the way he is going then may change sooner rather than later
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Dunno if I'm the only one that thinks this but, anyone else think the whole "wear the number 17" if your captain thing is a real wank? Just seems something like a poo club would do like a Bulldogs or North, something to gain PR, we don't need it. Cotchin is our number 9 and should stay that way captain or not.
I'm an actually a supporter of the captain wearing number 17. Think it's a good idea and have always supported the concept especially after Spud disrespected the number and what it stood for when he handed the number to Paul Hudson
However, ever once and a while we have a player that should have the honour of wearing the most revered number of the RFC and that is number 17.
I've watched 2 blokes in the last 30 years who wore that number with distinction in Rioli and Broderick. Right now Rioli is the best player I've seen in a Tiger jumper but I have to admit if Cotch keeps going the way he is than he going then may change sooner rather than later
agree wp and u r right
but next yr we put 17 to bed,, give no 1 to cotch and no 7 to lids 1 and 7 .....17 joint captains ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
not a bad idea , they could both have a lil no17 on the front of their jumpers and wear 1 and 7 ......brilliant
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Dunno if I'm the only one that thinks this but, anyone else think the whole "wear the number 17" if your captain thing is a real wank? Just seems something like a poo club would do like a Bulldogs or North, something to gain PR, we don't need it. Cotchin is our number 9 and should stay that way captain or not.
I'm actually a supporter of the captain wearing number 17. Think it's a good idea and have always supported the concept especially after Spud disrespected the number and what it stood for when he handed the number to Paul Hudson
However, ever once and a while we have a player that should have the honour of wearing the most revered number of the RFC and that is number 17.
I've watched 2 blokes in the last 30 years who wore that number with distinction in Rioli and Broderick. Right now Rioli is the best player I've seen in a Tiger jumper but I have to admit if Cotch keeps going the way he is going then may change sooner rather than later
Cotch has to be best player weve had at Richmond since our last great sides.
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Cotch is your classic 'glass overflowing' type.
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Cotch's greatest asset as a player is his attitude. He just never gives u and throws his body at every contest. The amount of times I have seen his dive for the ball or to stop an opposition player is remarkable. The only thing I think he can't do is kick it long like Martin or Lids but in every other aspect of the game he is unequaled. That goal he created from Lids grubber kick to him when he was out positioned was amazing!
I not in favour of his getting the captaincy yet. Give him another year as VC to concentrate completely on his game.
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Dunno if I'm the only one that thinks this but, anyone else think the whole "wear the number 17" if your captain thing is a real wank? Just seems something like a poo club would do like a Bulldogs or North, something to gain PR, we don't need it. Cotchin is our number 9 and should stay that way captain or not.
I'm actually a supporter of the captain wearing number 17. Think it's a good idea and have always supported the concept especially after Spud disrespected the number and what it stood for when he handed the number to Paul Hudson
However, ever once and a while we have a player that should have the honour of wearing the most revered number of the RFC and that is number 17.
I've watched 2 blokes in the last 30 years who wore that number with distinction in Rioli and Broderick. Right now Rioli is the best player I've seen in a Tiger jumper but I have to admit if Cotch keeps going the way he is going then may change sooner rather than later
Cotch has to be best player weve had at Richmond since our last great sides.
Yep. Even possibly better than the great Maurice.
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Never saw Maurice, Cotchin for mine is the classiest I can remember in a Tiger jumper.
Easier to state his flaws then what he is good at, and even then your being picky.
For mine, needs to be given the captaincy officially for next season. Newman appears to be one of those early 30 retirees, just doesn't look half the player he was last season, and I think he will struggle even more so next season.
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May actually freshen Newy up taking the 17 off him
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maurice was as bruce says speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecial
the original and best special
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May actually freshen Newy up taking the 17 off him
May do, best try it soon because he looks to becoming a liability.
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VIDEO: Here it is, 3 minutes and 24 seconds of Cotchy goodness from yesterday
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/478895/default.aspx
or
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/478895/Trent%20Cotchin%20v%20Bulldogs/
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the move at 1:01... (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drooling/drooling-2.gif)
becoming a trademark that one
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May actually freshen Newy up taking the 17 off him
Good point gerks.
Newy gave us a glimpse yesterday of the good stuff, when he bombed that 55+ metre goal in the 3rd. Much prefer that than what appears to be his personal current disposal preference of short "dinky" passes
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maurice was as bruce says speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecial
the original and best special
I find it hard to compare anyone with Rioli, that's how highly I rate Trent.
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maurice was as bruce says speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecial
the original and best special
I find it hard to compare anyone with Rioli, that's how highly I rate Trent.
That's because you took his nickname! I agree though, Maurice was the quintessential magician with the ball. While everybody was falling over and fumbling, Maurice was waltzing through like they were witches hats! Amazing player!
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Although maurice was an amazing player with skill I have rarely seen on the football field.i think trent is fast approaching that level and has something i think maurice lacked.........leadership
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you know he was being attacked by a tiger?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGsg1hPCW_w
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:lol
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one of the best footballers l ever seen :thumbsup
Give him the Brownlow already
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you know he was being attacked by a tiger?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGsg1hPCW_w
if anyone ever needs a laugh log onto OER :lol
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:lol :lol
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Maurice showed leadership at times - especially in 1982 grand final when his team mates were thinking about that dirty smoo in a Carlton scarf - he was trying to win the game.
Cotchin is nearly just as good - looking forward to a lot of years of enjoyment - hopefully we can get some more to support him!
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Although maurice was an amazing player with skill I have rarely seen on the football field.i think trent is fast approaching that level and has something i think maurice lacked.........leadership
I know it's very difficult to watch, but have a look at the 1982 GF DVD and you'll see he led by example.
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marice was also a golden gloves, but he let his football do the talking on the football field. He would have copped racial taunts that would make make the modern footballer lose the plot. (or curl up in the foetal position and cry for mama for floppy roosters like jetta)
Who was it that refused to fight Rioli in the ring? Jackson? or the pinhead he ended up fighting?
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Hadn't realised until I rewatched the highlights that it was Picken that Trent put the boa constrictor tackle on coming out of the guts.
Reminded me of his reaction to Raines after he kicked that goal the previous week.
The boy does enjoy getting his bit of payback against the taggers doesn't he?.
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Cotch now 5 pts ahead at the top of the AFL Coaches votes ..
LEADERBOARD
93 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
88 Jobe Watson (Ess)
83 Dayne Beams (Coll)
78 Gary Ablett (GC)
74 Matthew Boyd (WB)
74 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
74 Scott Thompson (Adel)
73 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
63 Brett Deledio (Rich)
63 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/144608/default.aspx
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lol, Boyd got one. Someone is still trying to get him over the line. :rollin
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Don't even know who Matthew Boyd is or what Scott Thompson looks like
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Hadn't realised until I rewatched the highlights that it was Picken that Trent put the boa constrictor tackle on coming out of the guts.
Reminded me of his reaction to Raines after he kicked that goal the previous week.
The boy does enjoy getting his bit of payback against the taggers doesn't he?.
Unsocialable footy :thumbsup. The rest of the team needs more of that killer instinct and making the opposition pay.
Cotch is on such a different level out there on the ground it isn't funny. It's no coincidence that in the 3rd quarter as soon as he went into the middle at the centrebounce he won the clearance and turned the momentum back our way after the Dogs kicked 5 goals in a row. He's a freak! He was as a junior in the U18s when I saw him play and with his body (ankles/achilles) now right (touchwood) he's now dominating at AFL level :bow.
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Don't even know who Matthew Boyd is or what Scott Thompson looks like
Boyd is Croatian for poo truck I believe. :shh
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Best player in the game IMO
Lids shytes on beams
Cotch now 5 pts ahead at the top of the AFL Coaches votes ..
LEADERBOARD
93 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
88 Jobe Watson (Ess)
83 Dayne Beams (Coll)
78 Gary Ablett (GC)
74 Matthew Boyd (WB)
74 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
74 Scott Thompson (Adel)
73 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
63 Brett Deledio (Rich)
63 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/144608/default.aspx
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Chimp tackle of late ufc 8)
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VIDEO: Richo's Whiteboard: Cotchin
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/144729/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
Captain Cotchin
By Ashley Browne
afl.com.au
Thu 16 Aug, 2012
RICHMOND great Matthew Richardson has declared gun midfielder Trent Cotchin as the next captain of the club and has revealed that the Tigers were aware of his elite skills years before he was drafted.
On this week's episode of The Whiteboard on AFL.com.au, Richardson recalled that Cotchin trained with the club when he was 16 and that he won a beach flags competition at Elwood beach during a pre-season training exercise.
"He rarely, if ever goes to ground and if he does he's very quick to recover," Richardson said, while assessing Cotchin's work at stoppages and clearances.
"Trent is very composed at tight situations. Look at his eyes in tight situations. He never grimaces and keeps his composure.
"It's why he always gets rid of the ball and gives it to one of his teammates. He gets the ball to his feet very quickly, has great hand-eye co-ordination and has always been a one-touch player."
Richardson also praised Cotchin's work as a forward and said his ability to kick two or three goals a game makes him elite. And he outlined several examples of Cotchin's on-field leadership to support his claim that he will be the next captain of Richmond.
"A lot of the Tiger supporters are excited about how good he could be, including me," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/144729/default.aspx
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Will be Captain next year for sure, must be.
Would love to see him win the Brownlow too.
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Will be Captain next year for sure, must be.
Wrong again :lol :lol
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=afl;id=51;url=http%3A%2F%2Foneeyed-richmond%2Ecom%2F
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Will be Captain next year for sure, must be.
Wrong again :lol :lol
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=afl;id=51;url=http%3A%2F%2Foneeyed-richmond%2Ecom%2F
Link doesn't go anywhere other than to the forum home page?
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Will be Captain next year for sure, must be.
Wrong again :lol :lol
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=afl;id=51;url=http%3A%2F%2Foneeyed-richmond%2Ecom%2F
Link doesn't go anywhere other than to the forum home page?
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16358.0
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Will be Captain next year for sure, must be.
Wrong again :lol :lol
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=afl;id=51;url=http%3A%2F%2Foneeyed-richmond%2Ecom%2F
Link doesn't go anywhere other than to the forum home page?
Or this!!!!
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-chris-newman-still-the-man-for-now/story-e6frecjc-1226451681215
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Will be Captain next year for sure, must be.
Wrong again :lol :lol
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=afl;id=51;url=http%3A%2F%2Foneeyed-richmond%2Ecom%2F
Link doesn't go anywhere other than to the forum home page?
Or this!!!!
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-chris-newman-still-the-man-for-now/story-e6frecjc-1226451681215
Oh well, typical, they should move on it now, but like always. Why fix what's broken..usual story of the Club.
Newman needs to step down off his own back.
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Oh well, typical, they should move on it now, but like always. Why fix what's broken..usual story of the Club.
Newman needs to step down off his own back.
Chris will do what is best for the club, if Cotch needs to wait another year so be it.
:cheers
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Will be Captain next year for sure, must be.
Wrong again :lol :lol
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=afl;id=51;url=http%3A%2F%2Foneeyed-richmond%2Ecom%2F
Link doesn't go anywhere other than to the forum home page?
Or this!!!!
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-chris-newman-still-the-man-for-now/story-e6frecjc-1226451681215
Oh well, typical, they should move on it now, but like always. Why fix what's broken..usual story of the Club.
Newman needs to step down off his own back.
Blah blah blah...The sky is falling :lol
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Oh well, typical, they should move on it now, but like always. Why fix what's broken..usual story of the Club.
Newman needs to step down off his own back.
Chris will do what is best for the club, if Cotch needs to wait another year so be it.
:cheers
Newman might think he has 1 more year with it, couldn't see him taking on Captaincy past 2013 though.
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Oh well, typical, they should move on it now, but like always. Why fix what's broken..usual story of the Club.
Newman needs to step down off his own back.
Chris will do what is best for the club, if Cotch needs to wait another year so be it.
:cheers
Newman might think he has 1 more year with it, couldn't see him taking on Captaincy past 2013 though.
Yep, good call.
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Oh well, typical, they should move on it now, but like always. Why fix what's broken..usual story of the Club.
Newman needs to step down off his own back.
Chris will do what is best for the club, if Cotch needs to wait another year so be it.
:cheers
Newman might think he has 1 more year with it, couldn't see him taking on Captaincy past 2013 though.
Yep, good call.
Earlier this year on one of the Fox Footy shows he said he didn't want to give it up any time soon and would hold onto it as long as he could. Think the club might let him do that for 2013 but that would be it.
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Oh well, typical, they should move on it now, but like always. Why fix what's broken..usual story of the Club.
Newman needs to step down off his own back.
Chris will do what is best for the club, if Cotch needs to wait another year so be it.
:cheers
Newman might think he has 1 more year with it, couldn't see him taking on Captaincy past 2013 though.
Yep, good call.
Earlier this year on one of the Fox Footy shows he said he didn't want to give it up any time soon and would hold onto it as long as he could. Think the club might let him do that for 2013 but that would be it.
That's fair enough then, I have always liked Newman and his game, he has been off a litte lately but overall he has been a good Captain and servant of the club.
I would of liked to see Cotch in there next year but if it's only one more year than fine.
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yet we amazed you in another thread for saying something similar :huh
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yet we amazed you in another thread for saying something similar :huh
Topic!!
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:lol
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yet we amazed you in another thread for saying something similar :huh
Topic!!
His point is relevant to the above comments :police:
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Cotch is now leading The Age's Footballer of the Year award as well :thumbsup
THE TOTALS
Trent Cotchin (Richmond) 126
Jobe Watson (Essendon) 120
Gary Ablett (Gold Coast) 100
Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide) 100
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) 85
Joel Selwood (Geelong) 84
Lenny Hayes (St Kilda) 83
Dayne Beams (Collingwood) 82
Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn) 78
Kieren Jack (Sydney) 76
Josh Kennedy (Sydney) 76
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/age-footballer-of-the-year-round-21-votes-20120819-24gto.html#ixzz243Op2IqW
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He'll stitch it up this Friday night then rack up 10 more votes against Poort in round 23!! :pray
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jobe watson isn't worth the sweat on cotchin's sack of training balls.
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jobe watson isn't worth the sweat on cotchin's sack of training balls.
Be Carefull wrighting that with the coach about, he loves his sweaty sack of training balls :whistle
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jobe watson isn't worth the sweat on cotchin's sack of training balls.
Be Carefull wrighting that with the coach about, he loves his sweaty sack of training balls :whistle
Removing the training bit and aww yer, I am all about that 8)
and good god, learn to stuffen spell
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jobe watson isn't worth the sweat on cotchin's sack of training balls.
Be Carefull wrighting that with the coach about, he loves his sweaty sack of training balls :whistle
Removing the training bit and aww yer, I am all about that 8)
and good god, learn to stuffen spell
Wright :thumbsup
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Awww, you guys... :lol
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If Trent Cotchin doesn't win the brownlow this year, he has planted the seeds to win it in 2013. A lot of people believe that you earn one over a couple of seasons and the last 3 winners of the Brownlow show this, all 3 of them won it the year after they should have!
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Cotchin should win because unlike Judd and previous winners - he is a total ball player and does not react to taggers. He does not get involved in crap - he is just a total ball winner. In many regards he fits the actual term "best and fairest".
The only time I have ever seen him react is with Andrew Raines - and hopefully the umps wont count that against him!
However knowing he is being judged by umpires - "ie idiots with whisltles" means he will get nothing!
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Fremantle v Richmond
9 David Mundy (Frem)
8 Aaron Sandilands (Frem)
7 Hayden Ballantyne (Frem)
4 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
1 Paul Duffield (Frem)
1 Ryan Crowley (Frem)
LEADERBOARD
97 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
89 Dayne Beams (Coll)
88 Jobe Watson (Ess)
85 Gary Ablett (GC)
81 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
76 Scott Thompson (Adel)
74 Matthew Boyd (WB)
73 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
71 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
63 Brett Deledio (Rich)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145215/default.aspx
Edit: added source link
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Who can suck jobe in this week and get him suspended?
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Cotch's Brownlow odds have come in again ...
Jobe Watson $3.75
Gary Ablett $4.50
Trent Cotchin $5.00
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/australian-rules/afl-brownlow-medal
Gary Ablett [GC] $3.75
Jobe Watson [ESS] $3.75
Trent Cotchin [RICH] $6.50
http://centrebet.com/#Sports/Event/2726806
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lol, as if Ablett will win!
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I think he may of just scraped in with 1 vote last night, 2 to Deledio and 3 to Tuck..IMO.
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Off night for the champ for mine especially the first half even though he finished with 30-odd possies. I think kicking something like 6 points will cost him any Brownlow votes. Maybe the Brownlow talk got to him a little bit. Watson did stuff all after 1/4 time mind you.
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Very poor blaming the wind for his efforts at goal.
Back to Coburg for a week I say to learn some things.
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dermie gave cotch 3 votes lol, i hope the umps see it that way
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I think Deledio will get the 3 from the umpires, the positive for Cotch is that Tuck is not often credited as having played really super games so he may miss out altogether on Brownlow votes if, Cotch got alot of the ball especially in the last quarter, I think on Brownlow night it will go 3 Deledio 2 Cotchin 1 Tuck.
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If he kicks 4 goals he would have 3 more Brownlow votes.
I think he may have snatched 1.
It just depends if he's the umpire darling like Judd. Polling 3's in games that he isn't that influential.
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not a darling to the level of judd yet, but he is heading that way.
Gets looked after by the umps does our cotch. Its about time we had a player that does so.
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In his defence, he was put in a headlock by one bummer just because he got beaten lol, was a fair free
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not just that incident owl. he gets the benefit of most 50/50 decisions. I cant ever recall thinking that about a Richmond player.
It would be nice if that flowed onto the rest of the team.
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not just that incident owl. he gets the benefit of most 50/50 decisions. I cant ever recall thinking that about a Richmond player.
It would be nice if that flowed onto the rest of the team.
Seems to have really started to frequent after Dimma had a whinge about Chimpy copping poor treatment from taggers earlier on.
Had fun rubbing it in to my boss this morning. He's a Bummer and wasn't cracking it about losing since he called it about 6 weeks ago saying they were stuff. He was just carrying on with stuff like "you can't even touch Cotchin." I just kept irritating him by accepting it and saying "about bloody time we got the rub" ;D
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not just that incident owl. he gets the benefit of most 50/50 decisions. I cant ever recall thinking that about a Richmond player.
It would be nice if that flowed onto the rest of the team.
Seems to have really started to frequent after Dimma had a whinge about Chimpy copping poor treatment from taggers earlier on.
Had fun rubbing it in to my boss this morning. He's a Bummer and wasn't cracking it about losing since he called it about 6 weeks ago saying they were stuff. He was just carrying on with stuff like "you can't even touch Cotchin." I just kept irritating him by accepting it and saying "about bloody time we got the rub" ;D
:lol
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Cotch was just on MMM ...
* The focus this week in the review will be about finishing off our work inside forward 50. The game last night should have been done and dusted at half-time.
* Wind picked up every 5 mins but it was also partly a technique and confidence issue as well as far as Cotch said of himself. Wind was going different directions.
* Dimma nailed it in his press conference. Playing group sees it as a failure as well. We expected to play finals but when you go up to Cairns and lose close games then you've failed.
* Let ourselves down this year where we've mentally dropped away during games or in the last few minutes of games. Focus this preseason will be not losing concentation during games and give us the chance to play finals in 2013.
* Tuck - one of those you love around the club. He was written off but he's worked on his defence and is now playing great footy. He frees the rest of us mids up.
* Improvement? Hoping to bring in a couple of experienced guys. One to play down back is probably one of them. Need bigger bodies as well. Can't narrow it down to one specific position. Would be nice to see another key forward and key back but salary cap restricts you from getting everything you want.
* People have respected the year I (Cotch) have had which is nice but I've got to keep focus on what I'm doing and what I need to do.
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Cotch leads the Age award by 7.
Emma Quayle gave him 7 votes....
She also gave Jobe Watson 6!!! :o
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Wayne..I agree..how did Watson get 6 votes.
After quarter time he barely had any influence. I think it was Jacko (correct me if I am wrong) who went onto him and put a hard tag on. End of Watson's night.
Cotch was way better than only 1 vote difference between him and Watson. Grrrrrrrrr
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No way Jobe had a 6 vote game! He's getting to be like Judd the Dudd - gets votes for going to the toilet
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Cotchin fires at home truths
By Kim Hagdorn
Sports News First
27 August 2012
RICHMOND midfield gun Trent Cotchin will go back to basics with goal-kicking in self-imposed admonishment this week after he misfired in the Tigers big win over Essendon.
And the rising Brownlow Medal contender has declared the Tigers continued advancement under head coach Damien Hardwick as distinct encouragement for finals hopes in coming seasons.
The brilliant on-baller slammed on five behinds in his side’s big 45-point win over the troubled Bombers when the Tigers booted a wayward 13.24 and could well have won by a lot more.
“I struggled with a few set shots,” Cotchin said immediately after another outing when he could receive Brownlow votes.
“The wind really affected me.
“I’ll have to settle down and get into training this week and hope for a good comeback.”
Cotchin declared that this season’s Tigers continue to lay foundations for prospects of a sustained finals presence from next year.
Largely because of his breakout season as now one of the finest midfield game breakers in the business, the Tigers have clearly dramatically improved around ball contests.
They have created more turnovers in their own forward half than any other team, as well as jumped up to second in the competition with an impressive difference of almost eight contested possessions a week than opponents which is ranked second and they get about two more clearances a game than opposition.
A significant contribution from imported ruck enforcer Ivan Maric can be directly attributed to Richmond’s better performances around congested contests for the ball.
Another vital improvement evident in Richmond’s 10 wins and 11 losses this season heading into a prospective last outing victory over struggling Port Adelaide in Adelaide, is the Tigers defence.
The Tigers last season averaged 109 points a game scored against a leaky backline, while this season that has been reduced back substantially to 87, probably as much for greater intensity around up-field congestion with the consistently superb efforts from Cotchin.
The Tigers will finish out of finals again for the 11th consecutive year, but with more wins than any of the previous two seasons under Hardwick.
Cotchin and veteran Brett Deledio lamented three successive crucial losses to Gold Coast in Cairns followed by North Melbourne and then Carlton in Rounds 16-18 for a combined tally of 10 points that skittled Tigers finals chances this season.
“We’ve been really working on a lot of specific areas where we were really poor last year and they’ve been in the top four for us,” said Cotchin.
“As much as it’s been disappointing to miss out on finals, it’s been a really positive year for us and we’ve got to keep on taking it through.”
Cotchin and Deledio along with indefatigable veteran Shane Tuck will vie for best-afield ratings against the Bombers in the Tigers third win in their past four outings.
Cotchin racked up 31 disposals after a sluggish start two disposal first term, while Deledio and Tuck rattled up 33 possessions each as the Tigers established the vital midfield dominance.
"It was a bit disappointing that we let ourselves down with our kicking and Trent was one of the main culprits there," Deledio said.
"But we did have another good win and hopefully we can finish off the season really well."
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/08/27/cotchin-fires-at-home-truths/
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Congratulations Trent!
Has a 10 point lead now in the coaches award. Worst he can do is tie with Beams. :clapping
Richmond vs Essendon
10 Deledio (Rich)
6 Cotchin (Rich)
6 Tuck (Rich)
5 Maric (Rich)
2 Martin (Rich)
1 Jackson (Rich)
Round 22 Leaderboard
103 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
93 Dayne Beams (Coll)
92 Gary Ablett (GC)
88 Jobe Watson (Ess)
82 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
82 Scott Thompson (Adel)
80 Matthew Boyd (WB)
79 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
73 Brett Deledio (Rich)
73 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
http://aflca.com.au/ (http://aflca.com.au/)
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Chris will do what is best for the club
:cheers
said in his best Dookie impersonation...
Look at me, look at me
:lol
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This kid deserves the no 17- there are no other contestants.
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He won't win the brownlow.
The afl hates our club too much.
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The Age gave Cotch best on ground...
RICHMOND v PORT ADELAIDE
Michael Lynch
Trent Cotchin (Richmond) 8
Brad Ebert (Port Adelaide) 8
Jack Riewoldt (Richmond) 7
Bachar Houli (Richmond) 6
Matthew Broadbent (Port Adelaide) 6
THE TOTALS
Trent Cotchin (Richmond) 141
Jobe Watson (Essendon) 126
Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide) 117
Gary Ablett (Gold Coast) 115
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) 92
Joel Selwood (Geelong) 91
Josh Kennedy (Sydney) 90
Dayne Beams (Collingwood) 89
Scott Thompson (Adelaide) 87
Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn) 85
Lenny Hayes (St Kilda) 83
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/age-footballer-of-the-year-round-23-votes-20120902-258u5.html#ixzz25KXxLZDu
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It was Cotch and Jack vrs Port yesterday.
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Robbo can't stop praising Cotch ...
Trent Cotchin
Cothin has overtaken Lenny Hayes as the most named player -- positively that is -- in The Tackle. Finished the year with a another best-on-ground effort against Port Adelaide, and if the umpires like him as much as everyone else who plays and watches this sport, the Brownlow is clearly gettable. Cotchin has already won the coaches award which is, to me anyway, the most important award. It doesn't have the glamour or the history, but the coaches know.
Mark Robinson's The Tackle (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/collingwood-needs-to-get-down-and-dirty-if-theyre-going-to-go-deep-into-finals/story-fn5937w8-1226463489723)
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:shh
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:shh :shh ;) :shh :shh
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:clapping
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AUDIO: Trent Cotchin's interview on SEN today ...
http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Trent-Cotchin/5829
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VIDEO: The best of Trent Cotchin :thumbsup
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/488045/default.aspx
or
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/488045/The%20best%20of%20Cotchin/
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:bow
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:bow :bow
We're not worthy, We're not worthy
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AFL Game Day Charity Auction - Trent Cotchin Signed Boots
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300778853921?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300778853921?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649)
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IN the herald Sun today it was mentioned that Cotch after receiving one of his awards,donated the prize(a new car) to charity..This guy is not only a superstar on the field but one off the field too..I really do think we here should start the ball rolling for the beatification Of the cotch.As it took mary mackillop endless years to attain this we should all start early
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You need two miracles - attributable to Cotch.
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Piping how hard can that be ??? we are talking about the cotch here
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Cotch will be on Ch 7's Gameday panel show tomorrow (Sunday) morning.
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Camera shy
The Hyundai i30 won by Richmond's Trent Cotchin for being The Age footballer of the year award will be gratefully accepted by the children's bone marrow disorder charity The Captain Courageous Foundation. But in these days of wall-to-wall sponsorship there can be some road blocks, with Cotchin on Friday morning having to sheepishly decline having his photograph taken with said vehicle. The reason? Rival carmaker Jeep sponsors the Tigers and Cotchin is one of the American manufacturer's Australian ambassadors. Still, the Brownlow favourite was happy to to be pictured young with Angus Bond — who has been helped by the foundation — along with his dad Jeff and brother Ted. Mind you, like most footballers, Angus didn't want to be photographed at all.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/pigeon-in-training--well-not-quite-20120922-26ebd.html#ixzz27GKPco00
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First among equals?
Jared Lynch
The Age
September 24, 2012
He's one of the favourites, but Trent Cotchin is not confident.
IT HAS been more than 40 years since a Richmond player took home the Brownlow Medal, and joint favourite Trent Cotchin thinks the Tigers will have to wait a bit longer to score football's top individual honour.
''In my opinion, I think I'll be the flop of the Brownlow. I wouldn't be backing me,'' said Cotchin, who has already won the club's best and fairest and several media awards, including The Age Footballer of the Year. ''There are too many players up there who have had consistent years and have obviously been in winning sides as well.
''I know a lot of people say you'd prefer to be playing in the grand final and so forth, which is absolutely true. But I suppose when your team hasn't finished off the year [well] and you've got an opportunity to win such a prestigious award, it's nice to be respected as a realistic chance.
''I think the boys [teammates] have been a bit more excited than I have. Obviously you cop a bit of stick about it, but also it's an opportunity for them to celebrate as a team. I mean, you can't get anywhere without your teammates, and as much as it's an individual award, it's almost a team award as well. You need the help every week and the boys have been fantastic all year. Hopefully it only gets better, not only our midfield group but our whole team improves and gets more mature.''
Others are more bullish about Cotchin's chances of becoming the first Richmond winner since Ian Stewart took home Charlie in 1971 for his third Brownlow Medal. Four-time Richmond premiership coach Tom Hafey likes what he sees in Cotchin, believing the 22-year-old midfielder has what it takes to take the Tigers, who finished 12th this year, to another period of greatness.
''When Ian Stewart won it in 1971, the Tigers finished runners-up the following year and they were premiers for the next two years in a row, so it would be lovely if history would repeat itself,'' Hafey said.
''Everybody is very taken with Trent Cotchin. He's an absolutely courageous man. He works very hard when he doesn't have the ball as well, which I'm very critical of a lot of players. When he chases, he grits his teeth. He's got terrific abilities. I would think he would run pretty well in the Brownlow. I don't think there would too many players who would have taken votes off him.''
Former Tigers premiership player Mike Perry said a Brownlow win was the next step in the club's campaign to return to the top of the ladder, and he likened Cotchin to Stewart, who is batting a rare auto-immune condition.
''It would prove that we've actually got arguably the best player in the league,'' he said. ''I think he's just such a terrific kid, that's the standout about him. He's such a level-headed young bloke. I'm so impressed with the boy that I hope he can get it. I'm a good mate of Stewie's, and I played with Stewie. They are very similar, they just don't get into trouble. They have all the courage in the world. Stewie's a wonderful player … he's arguably the best player I've ever seen.''
The Tigers came close to taking out the Brownlow in 1974, when Kevin Bartlett was favoured to win. But he lost to North Melbourne's Keith Greig, much to the chagrin of those at Punt Road, including then president Ian Wilson.
But they lost the battle to win the war, with the Tigers proceeding to beat the Kangaroos by 41 points in the grand final that year.
''I don't know what to say,'' Wilson said this year when asked about the 1974 Brownlow. ''Keith Greig won it and Kevin was favourite. I wasn't particularly involved in it but there was a bit of a scuffle at the back of the hall.''
Hafey, the coach, added that Bartlett didn't always have the umpires on his side, hence the Brownlow votes.
''A lot of the umpires would have had a thing about Bartlett because he was criticised for the number of free kicks he got by throwing the ball out, which was allowable, incidentally. But I think they all felt he was cheating. A lot of other players did exactly the same and they won Brownlows, incidentally.''
But Bartlett holds no grudges, saying he was beaten by a better player, and his voice speeds up a little with excitement when he talks about Cotchin's prospects.
''If he was to win something as time-honoured as the Brownlow Medal, that would be a great joy to the Richmond supporters and a very nice kudos for the club. They haven't had much to cheer about for over 30 years,'' he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/brownlow-medal/first-among-equals-20120923-26fah.html#ixzz27JapkAbx
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Rather than this getting lost in the Brownlow thread I'll post this stat here to show how good Cotch was this year ...
I believe Cotch's 26 votes is the most by a Tiger under the one 3-2-1 system since Roy Wright won the Brownlow with 29 in 1954 .... (KB with 45 and St Francis with 36 occurred in years 1976-77 where both umps at that time each gave 3-2-1 votes).
Wright won his first Brownlow with 21 votes in 1952.
Bill Morris won his medal with 24 votes in 1948.
Stewart won his medal with 21 votes in 1971.
Rioli got 23 when he finished 2nd in 1983.
KB's best was 22 votes.
Richo got 22 as well in 2008.
Stan Judkins in 1930 won with 4 votes under a different system.
So Cotch was unlucky in a way. In recent years as the Brownlow has become more a midfielders award you've needed 30 votes or more to win the Brownlow.
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it's a joke when a hack who cant kick wins it .... The Brownlow has become a joke
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No need to slag off Shane Woewoedin mate
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Watsons kicking has improved in the last 3 years, whats wrong with you
i myself hate arsendon with a passion and wouldve preferred anyone else, but credit where its due the bloke is a gun and a nice guy as well it seems
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Cotchin's best chance to win has passed - expect Delidio, Martin & co to have better years and Tigers to play finals!
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Cotchin's best chance to win has passed - expect Delidio, Martin & co to have better years and Tigers to play finals!
Martin will never win one.
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It helps to have a famous dad
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Cotchin's best chance to win has passed - expect Delidio, Martin & co to have better years and Tigers to play finals!
Martin will never win one.
Martin will win a hotdog eating comp though
More value than a brownlow in my eyes
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Cotchin's best chance to win has passed - expect Delidio, Martin & co to have better years and Tigers to play finals!
Martin will never win one.
Martin will win a hotdog eating comp though
More value than a brownlow in my eyes
I won't say what I'm thinking.
Don't want another snip
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Watsons kicking has improved in the last 3 years, whats wrong with you
i myself hate arsendon with a passion and wouldve preferred anyone else, but credit where its due the bloke is a gun and a nice guy as well it seems
He and his old man are both nice blokes and great players. Jobe is lucky he doesn't have many blokes to take votes off him though. Brent Stanton was close to the lead for at half least of the night :lol He'd be the only other Arsedon player to get more than 3 votes I reckon
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Some journo always has to be negative ::)
Richmond's Brownlow Medal curse strikes star Trent Cotchin as he leaves empty-handed
Scott Gullan
From: Herald Sun
September 24, 2012 11:33PM
HISTORY didn't favour Trent Cotchin.
If he'd done his research coming into last night's count the rising superstar would have known not to get too concerned about a victory speech.
The Tigers and the Brownlow Medal aren't a good mix.
And what's even worse - Richmond players starting favourite.
There has only been one Richmond player in the past 58 years to take home Charlie and even that has an asterix to it because he was a chap by the name of Ian Stewart whose track record in the count was fairly solid (He won two Brownlows at St Kilda before crossing to Punt Rd).
The favourite tag is a horror story for the black and gold army.
Wayne Campbell could only manage nine votes in 1995 while Geoff Raines went horribly, coming up with zero in the 1980 premiership year.
Cotchin, who had won the AFL Coaches' Association Champion Player of the Year award, fared a lot better than those two but a slow start to the season was always going to come back and haunt him, especially with the pace which eventual winner Jobe Watson set.
The 22-year-old only polled in one game - a best-on-ground against Sydney in Round 7 - in the opening eight rounds.
By that time Watson was already on 14 votes.
His last month was outrageous and showed why the money had come from him in truckloads over recent days to put him ahead of Watson and alongside Gary Ablett in the betting.
In his final four games Cotchin polled 11 of a possible 12 votes to claim a share of second with one of the plunge players of the night, Hawthorn's Sam Mitchell.
The Hawks midfielder had been sensationally backed from $17 into $6 over the last 24 hours and like Cotchin, he flew late.
There was a theory behind the cash given Mitchell was the second highest vote getter last year - he polled 30 which was the most in Hawthorn's history - but was ineligible because of suspension.
After polling four votes in the opening two rounds, the former Hawks skipper was only on nine votes after Round 13 before charging with votes in seven of the last 10 games.
When interviewed at the half-way mark of the count, Mitchell had his mind well and truly on Saturday: "I'm probably not going to get to 17 (which Watson is already on). I'm actually pretty relaxed."
The only plunge player yesterday was Sydney midfielder Josh Kennedy whose quote of $15 was halved by the time the count began.
But like Cotchin, he probably might have known that history was against him.
Kennedy had only polled three career votes - in two games - in the Brownlow Medal so it's always a big ask to suddenly find 30.
Three best-on-grounds in the opening five weeks got him shifting in his seat but he then went quiet for 10 weeks before getting busy late to finish in eighth spot with 19 votes.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/richmonds-brownlow-medal-curse-strikes-star-trent-cotchin-as-he-leaves-empty-handed/story-e6frf9io-1226480637532
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Also-rans with lots of time on their side
Emma Quayle
The Age
September 25, 2012
THE year everyone thought Gary Ablett would win the Brownlow, one of his teammates, Jimmy Bartel, did. The year everyone thought Dane Swan was sure to win, he was paraded on stage at the start of the televised count, only to return to his table, sit back, watch Chris Judd win his second medal and feel like a bit of a dill.
Sometimes it takes a while for public perception to line up with media perception and what the umpires see from ground level, and so it proved for the new kids on the Brownlow block last night.
Trent Cotchin feared before the count that he would prove its flop. He wasn't, at all. Three votes against Gold Coast in round 14, a match that left him devastated after the Suns pinched the most unlikely of wins, pushed the 22-year-old onto the leaderboard and into equal sixth spot, on 14 votes, behind eventual winner Jobe Watson's 26.
He kept sneaking up, best-on-grounds in the final two rounds taking him into second spot, four votes short. His minor votes began turning into best on grounds, the 22-year-old making up some major numbers in the last month.
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It took him a while to get going, is all. Cotchin didn't earn a mention in the first six rounds, as Watson, Gary Ablett, Josh Kennedy and Scott Thompson got moving.
Unlucky not to poll against Melbourne in round three and West Coast in round five, albeit a loss, his first votes - three - came against the Swans in round seven, a 27-possession, five-goal game. From there, he polled in five of the Tigers' next six matches.
In the end? Cotchin finished second, equal on 26 votes with Sam Mitchell and Dangerfield made it into fifth spot, two votes behind Thompson's 25. Beams wasn't too far back, finishing alongside Kennedy on 19 votes and inside the top 10.
All were expected to poll votes, all polled plenty and all are under 23, which leaves a lot of years left to capture a little bit more attention.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/alsorans-with-lots-of-time-on-their-side-20120924-26ht1.html#ixzz27PTzgYve
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In the end? Cotchin finished second, equal on 26 votes with Sam Mitchell and Dangerfield made it into fifth spot, two votes behind Thompson's 25. Beams wasn't too far back, finishing alongside Kennedy on 19 votes and inside the top 10.
All were expected to poll votes, all polled plenty and all are under 23, which leaves a lot of years left to capture a little bit more attention.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/alsorans-with-lots-of-time-on-their-side-20120924-26ht1.html#ixzz27PTzgYve
Cotch was the best of the young brigade and by far the youngest in the top 6.
Votes Age
Watson 30 27
Cotchin 26 22
Mitchell 26 29
Thompson 25 29
Swan 25 28
Ablett 24 28
Dangerfield 23 22
Kennedy 19 24
Hayes 19 32
Beams 19 22
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Tiger's charge too late
By Nick Bowen
Tue 25 Sep, 2012
PAST and present Richmond players at Monday night's Brownlow Medal count could not help but ponder what might have been if equal second place-getter Trent Cotchin had not left his run so late.
Despite heading into this year's count as one of the strong favourites, Cotchin did not poll a vote until his three-vote, 27-possession game in round seven against the Sydney Swans.
When eventual winner Jobe Watson stretched his tally to 29 votes in round 19, Cotchin's chances of winning were already over as he trailed by 14 votes with just four rounds to go.
However, the 22-year-old Richmond midfielder flew home in those games to poll 11 of a possible 12 votes to join former Hawthorn captain Sam Mitchell as joint runner-up on 26 votes, four behind Essendon skipper Watson.
First-year Tiger Brandon Ellis and Richmond great Kevin Bartlett both lamented Cotchin's slow start.
"We knew he was going to finish pretty strong. I thought if he was in the top five with five rounds to go he was actually going to win it," Ellis told AFL.com.au.
"But not getting a vote until round seven really hurt him. If he had polled before then he would have come home with the bacon."
Bartlett said: "He just missed out I suppose in those first half dozen games of the season."
"He had a fantastic last four games and a wonderful season and he polled marvellously well."
Veteran Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck could not speak highly enough of Cotchin as a person, footballer and leader.
"I've known Trent since he's been at the club. I've seen him grow as a player and it's hard to come across a more genuine human being than Trent Cotchin," Tuck said.
"I've become good friends with him over the last four years and I'm really proud and happy for him.
"And I just think that to come second in the Brownlow when he's only 22 is a great accomplishment and I look forward to him leading the club in the future."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/148451/default.aspx
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it's a joke when a hack who cant kick wins it .... The Brownlow has become a joke
yep have to agree here Watsons kicking skills
arent up to standard.
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Griggy has got Cotch working hard in the offseason ;D
http://pics.lockerz.com/s/249242108 (http://pics.lockerz.com/s/249242108)
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Cotchin early Brownlow favourite
Paul Gough, Betting Editor
Sportal
20/11/2012
Richmond young gun Trent Cotchin is the early favourite to win next year's Brownlow Medal but despite the Tigers also containing the AFL's reigning Coleman Medalist in Jack Riewoldt, punters believe the club will yet again miss the top eight in season 2013.
... while the Tigers are again tipped to miss the top eight, 22-year-old Cotchin will start 2013 as the man to beat in the Brownlow after finishing runner-up to Essendon's Jobe Watson this year.
Cotchin is the $10.50 Brownlow favourite at Betfair with Gold Coast's Gary Ablett - who won in 2009 with Geelong - second pick at $12.50 ahead of this year's winner Watson at $14.50, along with Adelaide's Patrick Dangerfield.
However at sportsbet.com.au - Cotchin, Ablett and Watson are all $8 equal favourites to win next year's Brownlow ahead of Collingwood pair Scott Pendlebury and 2011 winner Dane Swan at $11.
Full article here: http://www.sportal.com.au/bz-opinion-display/cotchin-early-brownlow-favourite-209773
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Cotchin will win 3 over his career
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The Herald-Sun loves Cotch though ...
2012 will be remembered as the year two footballers came of age - Cotchin and Hawkins.
Richmond star Trent Cotchin, long-touted as the next gun midfielder, arrived at that destination. The silky game-breaker won the AFL coaches award, was equal-second in the Brownlow and was Tigers club champion.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/footy-simply-irresistible-in-2012/story-e6frf9jf-1226542742888
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His break out year was 2011. Knobs
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The scary part is that i think he has loads of improvement left in him.I noticed towards the latter part of the year when he was resting forward ,he was backing himself, attempting to take screamers.My prediction is that cotch will take mark of the year in the not too distant future
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Anything this kid does is gold.
Just a special one in a generation player. :thumbsup
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aint that the truth!
:gotigers
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Anything this kid does is gold.
Just a special one in a generation player. :thumbsup
So true. He is only one player but if the Tiges can't win a flag with Trent at the heart of this team, one wonders if we ever will again.
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The rise and rise of Trent Cotchin
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
4:50pm AEDT Thursday, January 3, 2013
After a breakout season of league football in 2011, culminating in Trent Cotchin capturing his inaugural Jack Dyer Medal, the young midfield star took his game to an even higher level in 2012.
Cotchin did it in a manner befitting a player of his all-round class, racking up career-best numbers, maintaining an excellent degree of consistency throughout, and reaching truly breathtaking heights at times, with his vast array of football skills thrilling the Tiger Army.
The 22-year-old managed to play all 22 games, for the second season in-a-row, averaging 27.6 disposals per match. He had 20 disposals or more five times, 25 or more on nine occasions, and 30 or more seven times (four of those coming in the final four home-and-away rounds).
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-01-03/the-rise-and-rise-of-trent-cotchin
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He's no Moloney, but gets the job done :thumbsup
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He's no Moloney, but gets the job done :thumbsup
;D
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He's no Moloney, but gets the job done :thumbsup
Before any other mid?
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Cotch is equal favourite for the Brownlow ....
Gary Ablett $9.00
Trent Cotchin $9.00
Dane Swan $9.00
Jobe Watson $9.00
Source: Sportsbet.com.au
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/punters-back-essendon-for-2013-premiership/story-e6frf9jf-1226547666310)
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As much as I love the cotch, those odds for yablett are very tasty
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-03/blues-kreuz-ready-to-burst
If we had first pick in that draft and got Kruezer and the cheats got Cotch you could bet your last dollar that there would be a line in this article saying that we had passed up the best talent in the game to get Kruezer.
Two things the media love to get into us on our drafting and building up the hype on us making finals so we can crash harder.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-03/blues-kreuz-ready-to-burst
If we had first pick in that draft and got Kruezer and the cheats got Cotch you could bet your last dollar that there would be a line in this article saying that we had passed up the best talent in the game to get Kruezer.
Two things the media love to get into us on our drafting and building up the hype on us making finals so we can crash harder.
It's like how we used to love to get into the colliwobbles because they lost grandfinals all the time.
Or the cats for being the handbaggers.
Or north for being nomads.
The best remedy for this media scrutiny is to draft better, develop players and win finals.
Problem solved.
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Cotch and Cyril Rioli: then and now.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCjN-q3CMAAibsp.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/triplemfooty/status/299715851752452096/photo/1
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Shaun Grigg's twitter:- "Cotchy loving his own poster"
(http://c0014689.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_110bedc6)
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im guessing he meant, "Loving"
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im guessing he meant, "Loving"
That was my typo lol. Fixed.
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Chimp should really have his own locker room. Shouldn't have to put up with that, and I'm hardly a prude.
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Chimp should really have his own locker room. Shouldn't have to put up with that, and I'm hardly a prude.
:lol
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Cotchin is the AFL captains' pick for the Brownlow.
Richmond's new captain Trent Cotchin was rated the favourite to take out this year's Brownlow Medal
Who do you think will win the 2013 Brownlow Medal? (No captain correctly nominated Jobe Watson in 2012).
Trent Cotchin (6), Gary Ablett (3), Patrick Dangerfield (3), Josh Kennedy (2), Sam Mitchell, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Dane Swan.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-19/cotchin-the-star-say-skippers
No Jobe Watson.... :shh What do the captains know that we don't??
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Cotchin is the AFL captains' pick for the Brownlow.
Richmond's new captain Trent Cotchin was rated the favourite to take out this year's Brownlow Medal
Who do you think will win the 2013 Brownlow Medal? (No captain correctly nominated Jobe Watson in 2012).
Trent Cotchin (6), Gary Ablett (3), Patrick Dangerfield (3), Josh Kennedy (2), Sam Mitchell, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Dane Swan.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-19/cotchin-the-star-say-skippers
No Jobe Watson.... :shh What do the captains' know that we don't??
:shh
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No Jobe Watson.... :shh What do the captains know that we don't??
Don't we all know it?
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Cool Cotchin contains the hype
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Tuesday, March 19, 2013
HE MAY be the AFL captains' pick for the Brownlow Medal and favourite with the bookmakers, but Richmond captain Trent Cotchin is unmoved by the hype surrounding him.
Cotchin, 22, was picked by six captains to win this year's medal, ahead of Gary Ablett and Patrick Dangerfield (three each).
He is also equal favourite with the bookmakers on TAB Sportsbet with former winners Jobe Watson (2012), Dane Swan (2011) and Ablett (2009).
Despite finishing equal second to Watson last year and winning his second club best and fairest, Cotchin is not being distracted by outside expectations.
"Today is the first I've heard of it, but I don't take a lot of notice of all that sort of stuff," Cotchin said.
"Obviously the game is not about individual awards but to be recognised as a potential winner this year.
"There's a lot of work to be done throughout the season and some consistent footy to be played but I suppose it is nice to be respected within the AFL environment.
"The majority of my focus going into games is about how we can get the best result for the team and if that means I'm playing good footy then so be it, and I'll take that for sure.
"It's nice to be recognised as a talented player, but more importantly I've got to put my best foot forward, and with my captain's hat on now as well."
Cotchin took over from Chris Newman as captain in November last year and has slid seamlessly into the role, handling the increased media demand with maturity and ease.
"It's just about finding that balance. You've got the club, who are really good at managing that sort of stuff, your management are there for support and picking and choosing the right time to do it and when not to," he said.
"I think that's just what it's about; it's finding a balance and further to that, it's about finding a balance to footy and life outside footy as well."
As for the expectation on the Tigers to play finals for the first time since 2001, Cotchin said it was important to keep a healthy balance between being excited about their prospects and not letting the hype get out of hand.
"In the past, we've probably overdone the excitement thing and this year is more about just showing why we are to be excited about," he said.
"Our actions are probably showing that more so than the words that we're talking.
"We're looking forward to firstly our round-one battle [against Carlton], but there's going to be many challenges throughout the year and it's going to be exciting times."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-19/cotchin-contains-the-hype
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(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/03/19/279294.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202013%20Portraits%20-%20AFL%20Captains%20Portraits&image_id=279289
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202013%20Media%20-%20AFL%20Captains%20Photo%20Day&image_id=279231
RICHMOND – Trent Cotchin
"It's been a really positive [pre-season] - we probably haven't played our best footy but we've got results. That's obviously going to help us with our confidence going into a game that we haven't been quite successful in over the last four or five years. We just see it as another opportunity. They're a great club, Carlton, and there's always a good crowd between us and it's an exciting time to play, and hopefully a couple of our younger guys will get an opportunity as well, which will create even more excitement."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-19/captains-what-they-said-about-the-season-ahead
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CJones right up his backside in the first half.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOI6-5eLtY
:bow
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Had a pretty hard tag on him, good to see the umps give him a few frees for the ainters scragging him
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOI6-5eLtY
:bow
:lol :clapping
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While he was well held in the first half, captain Trent Cotchin won 22 possessions after the main break to play a crucial role in the Tigers' win.
The Brownlow Medal fancy was continually buffeted off the ball on Friday night and Grigg said his teammates needed to do everything they could to protect him when he was receiving heavy attention.
"We've got to help him out as much as we can," Grigg said.
"Little blocks, give him the ball when he's free, those sorts of things.
"He's great. He did a job and went to (Nick) Dal Santo for us for a bit, and he's very flexible in what he can do.
"He's really good in those tight, hard situations."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-06/tigers-maturity-to-be-tested
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I'm suprised he wasn't used up forward
In the first half at least.
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He was.
Jones went to Lids or something and Demspter played full back on Cotchin.
Think Trent got angry with this and broke his wrist.
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Star Richmond midfielder, Trent Cotchin, has entered the ranks of the competition’s elite ‘ball magnets’, following a sixth successive match racking up 30-plus possessions.
Full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-04-08/cotchin-having-a-ball
:bow
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Yes Cotch well done, think he would of picked up 3 votes round 1 and 1 or 2 votes round 2.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOI6-5eLtY
:bow
:lol
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Yes Cotch well done, think he would of picked up 3 votes round 1 and 1 or 2 votes round 2.
Unfortunately probably still 1 vote behind Jobe.
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Cotch is currently third in the AFL Coaches Award.
Round 2 Leaderboard
18 Kieren Jack (Syd)
17 Jobe Watson (Ess)
13 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
13 Tom Liberatore (WB)
13 Joel Selwood (Geel)
12 Grant Birchall (Haw)
12 Andrew Swallow (NM)
11 Will Minson (WB)
11 Ryan O’Keefe (Syd)
http://aflca.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1096&tx_ttnews[backPid]=9&cHash=40591b92ba
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Roosy been doing the votes in Sydney games? Loves himself a bit of Kieren does Roosy
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Roosy been doing the votes in Sydney games? Loves himself a bit of Kieren does Roosy
Played bloody well on the weekend.
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Roosy been doing the votes in Sydney games? Loves himself a bit of Kieren does Roosy
Played bloody well on the weekend.
And the reigning premiers have a had a bloody tough draw thus far. :lol
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Roosy been doing the votes in Sydney games? Loves himself a bit of Kieren does Roosy
Played bloody well on the weekend.
And the reigning premiers have a had a bloody tough draw thus far. :lol
Very true Mr T but I wouldn't fancy the job of negating SOG on any given day, let alone getting 28 disposals myself! To do both was a very very good effort indeed.
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I was at that game and Nick Smith was on Gaz for decent periods and when they subbed on Craig Bird he went straight to him for basically the remainder of the game. Jack's first half on him was great, had a lot of help though over 4 qtrs.
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I was at that game and Nick Smith was on Gaz for decent periods and when they subbed on Craig Bird he went straight to him for basically the remainder of the game. Jack's first half on him was great, had a lot of help though over 4 qtrs.
Fair enough Gerks, probably helps explain why Jack got away himself.
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We were having a bit of a laugh at Horse being such a bastard – you can imagine what Gazza was thinking, wet and heavy conditions, hard tag all day, then this fresh bloke comes off the bench and starts trotting towards you... ;D
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Great game by Cotch. Excellent.
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Cotch has racked up 100 disposals in the first 3 games :o. No.1 in the AFL :bow
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I thought he was getting Lower'd this week? :lol
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I thought he was getting Lower'd this week? :lol
:lol Shows the difference in mindset from preseason to real stuff :shh
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I thought he was getting Lower'd this week? :lol
The only thing that was "Lower'ed" was Nicks pants. By Cotch. To his ankles.
Possibly the best opening month by a new AFL captain in a generation if he can lead us to a win next week.
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Cotchin = Champion!!!
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Love how some in the crowd call him Brownlow. He could easily win two or three. Has the mindset to be one of the games best ever players. :thumbsup
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Cotch is currently second in the coaches' award ...
LEADERBOARD
20 Jarrad McVeigh (Syd)
19 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
18 Travis Boak (Port)
18 Kieren Jack (Syd)
18 Justin Westhoff (Port)
17 Nathan Fyfe (Frem)
17 Pearce Hanley (BL)
17 Jobe Watson (Ess)
16 Grant Birchall (Haw)
15 David Armitage (St K)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-16/aflca-votes-for-young-and-old
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The only worry with Cotch,Is like Ivan we don't run him into the ground.
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Love how some in the crowd call him Brownlow. He could easily win two or three. Has the mindset to be one of the games best ever players. :thumbsup
And cheer out loud when he gets the ball. :lol
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Getting more than his fair share of attention this year not only from the opposition tagger but also the rest of the team. The opposition are very conscious of shutting him down and roughing him up at any opportunity. I thought that was one of the major reasons we beat the Saints in Rd 2, their focus on 'Brownlow'(going to use that from now on Tucker :thumbsup) allowed the rest of the midfielders to get loose. Lids, Martin and Conca must be loving the relative freedom. ;D
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Chimping nicely is Chimp :bow
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Will be the first player to be tagged by two opposition players at once
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How long untiltrent is given his 2012 Charli?
Come on jobe. Be a good sport.
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How long untiltrent is given his 2012 Charli?
Come on jobe. Be a good sport.
:biglaugh
Wouldn't accept it anyway, regardless of outcome.
Would be interesting to see who would have won it if essendon ALL didnt break down that year leaving Jobe to rack up all the votes.
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Cotch was still wearing a knee support bandage at training yesterday:
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/167869696-trent-cotchin-walks-with-the-bandage-on-his-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QWErGzkZd5mjXpriwn%2fQDEweSZFi4QnnmQobhL30hGegtyMIrHDRgBOT4XWJc5RDOw%3d%3d) (http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/167869713-trent-cotchin-with-the-bandage-on-his-leg-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QW%2bkTXzuvipl9MQNKZygOOoTRjPsvGNll%2bHYvt1DVY%2foCOwdc0k3GuLl56NjT3fmPQ%3d%3d)
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Output may be down this week.... :(
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Output may be down this week.... :(
If he plays.....
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have a feeling he might miss.
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Will play
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ITS GONE TO HIS HEAD
NEEDS A KICK IN THE HEAD AND BE TOLD TO GET BACK TO WHO HE WAS
READS TOO MUCH OF HIS PRESS AND IS NOW CHEATING
TOO MANY EASY CHEAP KICKS WHERE THEY DONT MATTER AND HIS DISPOSAL IS KILLING US
DONT EVEN THINK HE HAS KICKED A GOAL THIS YEAR
NOT GOOD ENOUGH
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umad?
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Won't play vs Poo rT
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Gone missing has Cotch, needs to stand up like Seelwood does, can't have him down lie he has been.
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His disposal is a concern
But his decision making is real worry for me at the moment.
Those dinky little passes are killing us (eg that one in the final qtr that gifted the cats a goal)
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What is Cotchin's problem?
Has gone from classly to a non-threat like Deledio?
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His disposal is a concern
But his decision making is real worry for me at the moment.
Those dinky little passes are killing us (eg that one in the final qtr that gifted the cats a goal)
Agree, some of those crappy little chip kicks could even be handballs, it's as though he doesn't look beyond a player about 10-15 meters in front of him..that's why his decision making is suffering.
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He played as a lose man in defense during the third quarter and to me he looked lost. Was very surprising actually that he didn't seem to know what he was doing. He soon was put back middle instead.
Won't win brownlow this year.
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Won't win brownlow this year.
Won't get a vote the way he's playing.
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Needs to go back to basics. He needs cut out risky short kicks and play percentage football. He is a brilliant player and will come back hard.
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His disposal is a concern
But his decision making is real worry for me at the moment.
Those dinky little passes are killing us (eg that one in the final qtr that gifted the cats a goal)
They have even got me swearing at the telecast :banghead
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
He had a bad knee and the flu!!!
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
He had a bad knee and the flu!!!
Hope your right and that he can come back but he hasnt fired a shot for weeks and needs to lift. If he has problems he should take 2 weeks off so he can come back in better shape.
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
He had a bad knee and the flu!!!
Hope your right and that he can come back but he hasnt fired a shot for weeks and needs to lift. If he has problems he should take 2 weeks off so he can come back in better shape.
Go read the thread I just posted about big o and Edwards being in the mix next week. :thumbsup
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ITS GONE TO HIS HEAD
NEEDS A KICK IN THE HEAD AND BE TOLD TO GET BACK TO WHO HE WAS
READS TOO MUCH OF HIS PRESS AND IS NOW CHEATING
TOO MANY EASY CHEAP KICKS WHERE THEY DONT MATTER AND HIS DISPOSAL IS KILLING US
DONT EVEN THINK HE HAS KICKED A GOAL THIS YEAR
NOT GOOD ENOUGH
He neally broke he leg = maybe he should not play last night?
= maybe hardwick pushed him? short term results?
doesnt look fit..
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
He had a bad knee and the flu!!!
Totally irrelevant. It hasn't been just this week, been happening all season. He hasn't been carrying a knee or a cold all year
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
He had a bad knee and the flu!!!
Totally irrelevant. It hasn't been just this week, been happening all season. He hasn't been carrying a knee or a cold all year
The chip kicks yes, all year, but he was hitting targets! The poor form, indecision and missing targets with the chip kicks....only in the last 2 weeks.
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
He had a bad knee and the flu!!!
Totally irrelevant. It hasn't been just this week, been happening all season. He hasn't been carrying a knee or a cold all year
Out of sorts, that pass in the back line last night summed up his year so far.
Needs to get on his bike quick smart, handing him the captain baton might be a decision
We might rue.
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has caught the Richmond FC disease. Stars at the begining and then becomes Richmondised and becomes poo. Playing like a D class player at the moment.
Yes I know what your talking about.
I named it Tigeritis many years ago. It has ruined many a career.
He had a bad knee and the flu!!!
Totally irrelevant. It hasn't been just this week, been happening all season. He hasn't been carrying a knee or a cold all year
The chip kicks yes, all year, but he was hitting targets! The poor form, indecision and missing targets with the chip kicks....only in the last 2 weeks.
Been happening nearly his whole career, just mostly got rid of it when he had the solid finish to the season. Need I refer you to north melbourne game last year?
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Cotchin will bounce back. Taking the captaincy was always going to be a burden. Was no issue with him when we were 3-0.
Marc Murphy been very very quiet up until this week since being named Captain. It takes a while to settle in and deal with the burden of leading the side on and off field. Certainly a lot different then the part time role he had a few years back.
He'll bounce back. Just like Deledio will and Jack will. All good players go through poor patches. He's 22 and will have plently more lean patches in the next 10 years.
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Cotchin will bounce back. Taking the captaincy was always going to be a burden. Was no issue with him when we were 3-0.
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yes there was
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Cotchin will bounce back. Taking the captaincy was always going to be a burden. Was no issue with him when we were 3-0.
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yes there was
Would have to agree
Pope his disposal has been average this year and those dinky kicks have been around since Rd 1.
No chance for a brownlow this year and doesn't deserve one in the form he is showing so far
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Cotchin out
Matt Murname
The Age
May 10, 2013
In a surprise revelation on Thursday, it emerged Cotchin has been battling a minor knee injury since suffering a hyperextension in the loss to Fremantle in round five, and the soreness was a factor in his poor kicking game last week.
It is the first time that one of Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin or Jack Riewoldt has missed a game through injury since 2010. Deledio will take over as skipper.
Cotchin was expected to miss just one game and be back for the match against Melbourne on Sunday week.
''It was probably a bit sore last week,'' football manager Dan Richardson said. ''He didn't cause any more damage to it at all, structurally it's sound, but we just decided it was best to rest him this week and make sure we get it right.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cotchin-out-but-tigers-recall-foley-20130509-2jaju.html#ixzz2SopvKbbp
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''It was probably a bit sore last week,'' football manager Dan Richardson said. ''He didn't cause any more damage to it at all, structurally it's sound, but we just decided it was best to rest him this week and make sure we get it right.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cotchin-out-but-tigers-recall-foley-20130509-2jaju.html#ixzz2SopvKbbp
:banghead shouldn't have played last week so he is right for this week
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Cotch was just on MMM with Lyon, Brayshaw and Frawley ...
* Positive week on the track despite a few injuries. An opportunity for others to step up. Looking forward to seeing Foley out there.
* At home. Didn't fly over so he could recover more quickly avoiding any flying and so he'll be right for next week.
* Walls article - disappointing as you don't like to hear your name in a bad light. Walls is entitled to his opinion. We take on board both positive and negative opinion but we know what we are doing within the 4 walls and the measures we judge ourselves on.
* Cotch and Newy retaliation incidents - you're in the game and you at times get frustrated with the game or the opposition. Cotch didn't think it was such a big deal but we need to make sure those things don't happen next time.
* Maric - not sure whether he is or isn't playing [Brayshaw told him he's playing]. Well there you go. The boys will be rapt he's playing.
* The beauty of the Australian Football is you play fit or carrying injuries. Cotch made the call that he was right to play. Not sure if you can blame his game last week on the knee or he just had one of those games. Admitted he was a bit fumbly which you can't blame on the knee and he admitted his kicking has been up to the standard he would like all season so far so you can't blame the knee for that either.
* Tucky - he knows the areas he needs to work on but you know he gives his all and works hard in the contests.
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''It was probably a bit sore last week,'' football manager Dan Richardson said. ''He didn't cause any more damage to it at all, structurally it's sound, but we just decided it was best to rest him this week and make sure we get it right.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cotchin-out-but-tigers-recall-foley-20130509-2jaju.html#ixzz2SopvKbbp
:banghead shouldn't have played last week so he is right for this week
Didn't need him
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Cotchin should have next week off as well.
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Might be able to negotiate a Snickers bar after today.
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Who?
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Needs to come back via Coburg
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Cotchin will bounce back. Taking the captaincy was always going to be a burden. Was no issue with him when we were 3-0.
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yes there was
Would have to agree
Pope his disposal has been average this year and those dinky kicks have been around since Rd 1.
No chance for a brownlow this year and doesn't deserve one in the form he is showing so far
Had 33 against Carlton and was very good, 31 against Saints and 36 against the Dogs @ 70% efficiency.. He's getting the pill just execution is well down. Being a contested player anything above 75%+ is where you should be. So he's a little off but he's still getting the footy.
We were 3-0 can't recall anyone suggesting that it was a bad choice to give Cotchin the captaincy back then. 3 weeks after were very poor. Storm in a tea cup for mine.
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We were 3-0 can't recall anyone suggesting that it was a bad choice to give Cotchin the captaincy back then. 3 weeks after were very poor. Storm in a tea cup for mine.
Can't remember any suck Hardwick calls at that stage either
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Cotchin should have next week off as well.
Agreed give him a rest, maybe a couple of others too....
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We were 3-0 can't recall anyone suggesting that it was a bad choice to give Cotchin the captaincy back then. 3 weeks after were very poor. Storm in a tea cup for mine.
Can't remember any suck Hardwick calls at that stage either
You've been looking at the wrong forum dude ;)
oneeyed-richmondtube.com
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We were 3-0 can't recall anyone suggesting that it was a bad choice to give Cotchin the captaincy back then. 3 weeks after were very poor. Storm in a tea cup for mine.
Can't remember any suck Hardwick calls at that stage either
You've been looking at the wrong forum dude ;)
oneeyed-richmondtube.com
:lol :lol :rollin :lol
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We were 3-0 can't recall anyone suggesting that it was a bad choice to give Cotchin the captaincy back then. 3 weeks after were very poor. Storm in a tea cup for mine.
Can't remember any suck Hardwick calls at that stage either
You've been looking at the wrong forum dude ;)
oneeyed-richmondtube.com
:lol :clapping
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TRENT COTCHIN: 5 MINUTES ON THE CAYDON COUCH
May 15th, 2013 — by Caydon
As a Melbourne apartment developer we love football like most other Melbournians. As proud supporters of the Richmond Football Club we recently caught up with some of the players and the coach to get a sneak peek into the home life of an AFL star.
(http://caydon.com.au/assets/TRENT-C.jpg)
Who do you live with?
My fiancé and 2 beautiful Samoyeds.
What can’t you live without?
An extremely comfy couch.
What’s your furniture style?
French provincial.
If you could live anywhere in the world, where would you live?
Love Bali 6 months of the year.
What is your definition of luxury living?
To be comfortable, warm and cosy but with plenty of space.
Stylish but not over the top.
Not having to stress about unnecessary things in life.
http://caydon.com.au/trent-cotchin-5-minutes-on-the-caydon-couch/
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:sleep
They forgot to ask...
Are you a folder or a scruncher?
Do you wank with the left or the right hand?
:sleep :sleep :sleep
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:sleep
They forgot to ask...
Are you a folder or a scruncher?
Do you wank with the left or the right hand?
:sleep :sleep :sleep
GOLD!!!!!!
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Hope he gets back to that "Magical" football.
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Cotch said on the radio today he just had some bone bruising in his knee and he's 100% now.
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Man Cotch might have had his leg amputated ,for what the word of anything out of RFC is worth
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Cotch said on the radio today he just had some bone bruising in his knee and he's 100% now.
Must have a 35 possession/5 goal game then
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has he kicked a goal this year?
Theres more chance of of KB kicking a goal for us tonight than Trent
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has he kicked a goal this year?
Theres more chance of of KB kicking a goal for us tonight than Trent
Come on Gigantor, he will kick 3!! Nn
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Delist.
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Glad he kicked a goal won't have to listen to the chicken littles going on about him kicking a goal anymore
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Cotch was just on 3aw with Richo, Tim Lane, Caro and Mark Stevens ...
* Relatively happy with our past two weeks. Not only offence but defensively we have kept opposition to low scores which is something we have been working on.
* We were able to regain the momentum yesterday when the opposition kicked a couple and then kick away.
* Our current group have gone through a bit together over the past 4 years when we were down. We now know what is expected from coaching staff, supporters and more importantly ourselves. Continue to raise the bar in terms of pressure, contested footy and winning the footy. Take that forward and we'll win more than we won't.
* Cotch said the stats say his kicking efficiency is down but his footy is very contested. Challenge to play more outside. He thinks he is a good kick. Nice to kick a goal. Got to push forward too and kick goals as Dusty and Ellis did. There's always areas to improve on.
* Two year contract - feels it's good to put pressure on yourself and stay hungry. Hopes to take his footy to the next level and take it from there. Who knows I might be in a position to sign a long-term deal.
* Chappy has added another experienced tall to a defensive group that has been together for a while now. They are good one-on-one, peeling off to help each other and rebounding and setting up attacks for us. Credit to the guys for standing up.
* You can't beat winning. Footy is a hard game mentally and physically whether you're winning or losing. Coming off the ground after a good win is a great feeling.
* Impressed by the former players at the Hall of Fame still having the passion for the club and for the current team to do well.
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You won't see our captain with neck tattoos, a sleeve or any tattoo for that matter anytime soon. He's not a fan.
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Delist.
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He swore :o :gobdrop
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Has been handled like a air drop of rice to a deserted camp :shh
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Still love him!!!!!!!!! :bow :bow :bow
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Having a poor year by his standards will look for a big finals campaign from him.
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it started around the time he made that stupid comment about retiring in his 20's if he had a flag, as there was more to life than footy
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No, it started when he nearly broke his leg by wrapping it around someone from the other team.
And was not rested, yet made to play with injury the following week.
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No, it started when he nearly broke his leg by wrapping it around someone from the other team.
And was not rested, yet made to play with injury the following week.
I agree that is exactly when it started...
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I reckon part of Cotchin's form issues at the minute stem from him trying too hard to be the captain rather than just playing his game.
We all said (well the vast majority did) last year he was the obvious next captain of this footy club. Why? Simple because of the way he played the game, the way he played clearly personified leadership.
So based on that I don't believed he needed to change anything about the way he plays.
But right now he seems to me at least that he is trying too hard to bring blokes around into the game (eg those "dinky" little chip kicks) rather than doing what he did last year.
Just reckon he needs to get back to playing his game and the rest of it; in particular the leadership side of things will automatically take care of itself
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I reckon part of Cotchin's form issues at the minute stem from him trying too hard to be the captain rather than just playing his game.
We all said (well the vast majority did) last year he was the obvious next captain of this footy club. Why? Simple because of the way he played the game, the way he played clearly personified leadership.
So based on that I don't believed he needed to change anything about the way he plays.
But right now he seems to me at least that he is trying too hard to bring blokes around into the game (eg those "dinky" little chip kicks) rather than doing what he did last year.
Just reckon he needs to get back to playing his game and the rest of it; in particular the leadership side of things will automatically take care of itself
:clapping
Might add the knee injury from the Freo game would have a little to do with it as well.
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Chimps stats before the feel game were outstanding.
*FREO..
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Im not worried about him. He is a champ and will come good. That goal on Boyd was a reminder to the comp of what he is capable is.
The great thing is that our midfield has been firing without him being dominant.
Cotch is part of the upside for us, and that is freaky deaky for our foes.
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I still believe deledio should have been captain.. He has been committed and our best and most consistent player since he started.
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:clapping
Might add the knee injury from the Freo game would have a little to do with it as well.
No doubt about that, was staggered he played the following week against the Cats - it was stupid on his part sayign he was right and equally stupid by the Club for playing him.
But I didn't think his form prior to that was that great TBH, may have 30 odd touches per game but they weren't "quality" possessions, they were scattered with those annoying "dinky chip" kicks
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Watson can't escape doping charge.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/watson-cant-escape-doping-violation-exasada-boss-20130625-2ouew.html
Does this mean Chimp will get a Brownlow retroactively?
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How many charlies will chimp win?
a) two
b) three
c) other (four, five, more)
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the way he is playing atm none
if he gets back to last years level 2
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Cotch plays his 100th this weekend :clapping. He's still only 23.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1845&SeasonID=ALL
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Trent_Cotchin.html
Let's hope though his milestone game turns out far better than Kingy and Grigg's :P.
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Ablett's will be back but please RFC win it for Cotch. Even if this means Newman acts as stand in captain so Cotch can just dominate
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Same week as his best mate, Kreuzer.
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Just win this week Tigers. Milestone or not.
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Just win this week Tigers. Milestone or not.
Err yup. Bigger things at stake tbh
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Agree, we have bigger fish to fry, we're approaching the business end of the season.
Congrats to Cotch, now let's get our aggro face on and smash the Suns!
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Congrats to Cotch. A milestone game for the captain of the club should be given the upmost respect by the players and that respect can only be shown by besting the suns.
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milestone games are a myth.
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zackery
we have lost so many more games than we won in the last 3o years chances are we would lose for an opponents milestone game
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I remember the sad day Jack Dyer passed away and we couldn't even win for Captain Blood.....
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The reason Norf always beat us is because they always have a milestone game when they play us! They even had one on the weekend!
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The reason Norf always beat us is because they always have a milestone game when they play us! They even had one on the weekend!
I remember the Jason McCartney tribute match like it was yesterday
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The reason Norf always beat us is because they always have a milestone game when they play us! They even had one on the weekend!
I remember the Jason McCartney tribute match like it was yesterday
That was rubbish in the highest
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The reason Norf always beat us is because they always have a milestone game when they play us! They even had one on the weekend!
I remember the Jason McCartney tribute match like it was yesterday
I know. Couldn't get a game even though he was playing VFL and they wheeled him out for the Richmond match of all games
It is their GF! Always will be!
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Lucky to be playing his 100th. Dimma playing his favourites again :banghead
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C'mon.
If you were north and their was any reason to bring a player in for milestone game which team would you want to play in the last 10 years?
Of coarse your going to pick the Tigers.
Always a good crowd and a gauranteed win.
We had an opportunity to end that rubbish last week but we didn't even show up...AGAIN!
Hopefully the boys want to win for their captain and show that we are miles infront of theses newbies.
It shouldn't be a close game and it should be a percentage booster for us. We need to recoup our lost percentage from last weekends debacle.
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The reason Norf always beat us is because they always have a milestone game when they play us! They even had one on the weekend!
I remember the Jason McCartney tribute match like it was yesterday
I reckon opposition clubs will always try to pull the milestone hoodoo on us. We'd be shaky even if they threw out Penny the Physio massaging her 200th Gluteus.
Can you imagine the Banner "Well done Penny on your 200th Gluteus Maximus. When the Penny Drops, Everyone has a crack!" :P
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VIDEO: The best of Cotchin over 100 games ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-07-09/cotchin-100-games
Cotchin’s classy century
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Wednesday, July 10, 2013
* Winner of two Jack Dyer Medals (2011 and 2012).
* Runner-up in the 2012 Brownlow Medal.
* All-Australian selection in 2012.
* Winner of the AFL Coaches Association’s Player of the Year award in 2012.
* Winner of The Age’s Player of the Year award in 2012.
* Took over the Richmond captaincy late last year, making him the youngest Tiger skipper in more than 100 years.
Cotchin is averaging 22.4 disposals in his 99 games, with an average of 4.5 clearances per match and 3.8 inside-50 entries.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-10/cotchins-classy-century
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VIDEO: The best of Cotchin over 100 games ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-07-09/cotchin-100-games
Cotchin’s classy century
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Wednesday, July 10, 2013
* Winner of two Jack Dyer Medals (2011 and 2012).
* Runner-up in the 2012 Brownlow Medal.
* All-Australian selection in 2012.
* Winner of the AFL Coaches Association’s Player of the Year award in 2012.
* Winner of The Age’s Player of the Year award in 2012.
* Took over the Richmond captaincy late last year, making him the youngest Tiger skipper in more than 100 years.
* 2013: Nothing
Cotchin is averaging 22.4 disposals in his 99 games, with an average of 4.5 clearances per match and 3.8 inside-50 entries.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-10/cotchins-classy-century
Updated for accuracy
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true.
Is it just me or is he sounding a little nervous and not looking as comfortable in the media these days? Certain Ive picked up a quiver in his voice here and there like he's nervous in recent times.
The pressure to backup week in week out and be the public voice of the footy club starting to take its toll?
or maybe Im looking for excuses when in actrual fact its probably just poo form...
Good luck T, have a big one
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We finally won a milestone game :clapping
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/07/13/294541.jpg) (http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/173381539-tigers-run-throught-the-team-banner-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QX9GfnFMQGApedRedHgSnFwkiNMeRJZs1uaAMpo01PNZIn0n1YKYzGv2TIXPIig%2bdg%3d%3d)
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Great game from a champion
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He's certainly not the 2012 Cotchin but I don't think we should be that surprised.
He had an outstanding season last year, maybe over achieved, was going to be a challenge to back it up. Was given captaincy, around the time expectations of the biggest club in the competition is moving towards succeeding. Was quoted equal 2nd favourite for the Brownlow before Round 1.
I don't care who you are or how good you are, its not surprising if all of that is before you and you aren't 'champion status' He's captained us to a 10 and 5 position on the ladder. He's learning to deal with media commitments, its a big ask, learnt a harsh lesson when he joked about retiring after 1 flag. Think he's been a bit cautious since that.
Compare his stats from this year and last year they aren't that different.
2012 vs 2013
Disposals: 27.5 vs 25.6 (Down by 1.9 possessions a game)
Marks: 4.2 vs 3.9 (Down by 0.3 marks a game)
Tackles: 4.9 vs 3.2 (Down by 1.7 tackles a game)
Goals: 1.0 vs 0.2 (Down by 0.8 goals a game)
Add the fact in that he played games slightly injured and possibly still is carrying a knee niggle.
Compare his numbers between 2011 and 2013 and he's up in all areas except goals.
Think we are very harsh on Cotchin. Yes he's not playing like he did in his standout, 2nd in the Brownlow season. But for a guy who has played 100 games, captaining his first season, trying to back up a great year last year. I think he's going fine... Cut the lad some slack.
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he has been very average of late .. deledio is a much more composed player
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His last couple of games have been a significant improvement, watching a game you'd probably come to realise that ::)
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His last couple of games have been a significant improvement, watching a game you'd probably come to realise that ::)
dip poo I watch every game.. for his standards the chimp has been average this year
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Dear me username has left the relative safety of giving it to foley and has now taken on the chimp.has username finally bitten off more than he can chew?
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So lets put his poxy 2013 down to the Brownlow blues....considering he and Mitchell actually won it.
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Played (IMHO) his best game yesterday.
Lead from the front.
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he has been very average of late .. deledio is a much more composed player
With all due respect, I havent seen a post by you to be anywhere near the mark so I'll respectfully disagree.
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Dear me username has left the relative safety of giving it to foley and has now taken on the chimp.has username finally bitten off more than he can chew?
I love the chimp but reality is reality .. this year he has been average .. by his standards.. fact
his disposal has been poor and even he has admitted it
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he has been very average of late .. deledio is a much more composed player
With all due respect, I havent seen a post by you to be anywhere near the mark so I'll respectfully disagree.
do u think I will lose sleep
sheep
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Played (IMHO) his best game yesterday.
Lead from the front.
deledio was better and the fact Cotchin played his best game v the suns is a very sad statement..
if Cotchin wants to lead from the front now is the time he must find last years form
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His last couple of games have been a significant improvement, watching a game you'd probably come to realise that ::)
dip poo I watch every game.. for his standards the chimp has been average this year
His last 2 games have been 25-30 possies, up from 15-20 prior, you were saying ::)
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Where'd my post go? where'd my moustache go?
Aww. Go Chimp, you are a hero
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His last couple of games have been a significant improvement, watching a game you'd probably come to realise that ::)
dip poo I watch every game.. for his standards the chimp has been average this year
His last 2 games have been 25-30 possies, up from 15-20 prior, you were saying ::)
just shows how little u understand the game
u know what u can do with statistics ffs
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Cotch interviewed on Perth's 6PR ...
Cotchin Hopes to Avoid Crowley
Posted by: Tom Atkinson
16 July, 2013 - 8:55 PM
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin says Ryan Crowley is clearly the games best tagger and he hopes he can avoid him on the weekend when the two top 8 sides meet, Cotchin spoke to Sports Today ahead of Sunday's clash at the MCG.
Listen here: http://www.6pr.com.au/blogs/6pr-perth-blog/cotchin-hopes-to-avoid-crowley/20130716-2q2ki.html
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His last couple of games have been a significant improvement, watching a game you'd probably come to realise that ::)
dip poo I watch every game.. for his standards the chimp has been average this year
His last 2 games have been 25-30 possies, up from 15-20 prior, you were saying ::)
just shows how little u understand the game
u know what u can do with statistics ffs
Forum rules restrict me what I'd like to say but frankly you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Cotch interviewed on Perth's 6PR ...
Cotchin Hopes to Avoid Crowley
Posted by: Tom Atkinson
16 July, 2013 - 8:55 PM
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin says Ryan Crowley is clearly the games best tagger and he hopes he can avoid him on the weekend when the two top 8 sides meet, Cotchin spoke to Sports Today ahead of Sunday's clash at the MCG.
Listen here: http://www.6pr.com.au/blogs/6pr-perth-blog/cotchin-hopes-to-avoid-crowley/20130716-2q2ki.html
Wrong thing to say, Lancelot Link!
I'd prefer the cliched "I'm really looking forward to the challenge..." over that
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I'd say the capt is baiting Crowley and the Dockers coaching staff ;)
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His last couple of games have been a significant improvement, watching a game you'd probably come to realise that ::)
dip poo I watch every game.. for his standards the chimp has been average this year
His last 2 games have been 25-30 possies, up from 15-20 prior, you were saying ::)
just shows how little u understand the game
u know what u can do with statistics ffs
Forum rules restrict me what I'd like to say but frankly you have no idea what you are talking about.
know so much more than you
i say what i think
back to ur paddock sheep
baaaaa baaaa baaa
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Gee whiz. So passive aggressive (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif)
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Now that was a captain's goal on the 3/4 time siren :bow. A massive moment in the game and for our season. Cotch back to his best today leading from the front :thumbsup.
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Now that was a captain's goal on the 3/4 time siren :bow. A massive moment in the game and for our season. Cotch back to his best today leading from the front :thumbsup.
Huge moment in the game. Huge effort by the skipper.
As you said MT a skippers goal and a goal which we always seemed to cop once upon a time.
We barely lost a centre break in the last.
Cotch was brilliant today. Great time to find form given our upcoming opponents and September footy on the horizon also. :thumbsup
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Looked great, very clean on both feet. Goal was massive, wasn't sure he'd make the distance tbh haha.
Still seems like he's not moving as well as usual though. I blame the knee.
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Looked great, very clean on both feet. Goal was massive, wasn't sure he'd make the distance tbh haha.
Still seems like he's not moving as well as usual though. I blame the knee.
Not sure he was that "clean by feet" yesterday. Some of his disposal was terrible, said it before ditch the "dinky' short kicks that put your team mates under pressure
Certainly had a great game but some of his field kicking :'(
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I'm sure the Chimp would ditch the dinky chip passes if his teammates worked harder to provide him with a better option instead of just skipping towards him whilst holding hands with their opponents ::)
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I'm sure the Chimp would ditch the dinky chip passes if his teammates worked harder to provide him with a better option instead of just skipping towards him whilst holding hands with their opponents ::)
I would think that an unmarked Houli straming through the centre corridor is a better option disposal wise than a 15-20 metre "dinky" kick to Ellis that landed at his feet and resulted in a stoppage (almost turnover) ::)
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::) ::)
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that goal in the third rights any faults we have seen from him lately.
massive goal, massive game
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that goal in the third rights any faults we have seen from him lately.
massive goal, massive game
Fair call, can't dispute that, actually said he had a great game
Just questioning the notion he was "clean by feet" yesterday, he was better but still butchered it a fair bit IMO
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPvaF-wCEAEeMcd.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/359120391580553217/photo/1
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that goal in the third rights any faults we have seen from him lately.
massive goal, massive game
Fair call, can't dispute that, actually said he had a great game
Just questioning the notion he was "clean by feet" yesterday, he was better but still butchered it a fair bit IMO
Every player makes errors by foot, why are we so critical of our good players when they make errors? I watched the haw - wb game and in the first qtr Griffen was horrible with his disposal, yet by the end of the match all you hear was how good is Griff? A gun like pendlebury makes skill errors by foot every week (I watch every pies game unfortunately) yet we don't hear boo about it. Cotch makes errors and his disposal is suspect. There was a game earlier this year where Cotch had more time in possession than I can remember him having this season and hit 4-5 lace out passes to leading fwds perfectly weighted and then I come on here and here the talk of a few errors he made.
What abt Fyfe? makes more clangers and errors by foot than just about any other player in the comp. Bar G.Ablett who is a freak, every single elite midfielder butchers their fair share of kicks
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Every player makes errors by foot, why are we so critical of our good players when they make errors? I watched the haw - wb game and in the first qtr Griffen was horrible with his disposal, yet by the end of the match all you hear was how good is Griff? A gun like pendlebury makes skill errors by foot every week (I watch every pies game unfortunately) yet we don't hear boo about it. Cotch makes errors and his disposal is suspect. There was a game earlier this year where Cotch had more time in possession than I can remember him having this season and hit 4-5 lace out passes to leading fwds perfectly weighted and then I come on here and here the talk of a few errors he made.
What abt Fyfe? makes more clangers and errors by foot than just about any other player in the comp. Bar G.Ablett who is a freak, every single elite midfielder butchers their fair share of kicks
Fair points t_m.
I agree all elite mids butcher the ball. Interesting you mention Griffen it his disposal that has always had me questioning how good he actually is because he can be "elite" when it comes to butchering the ball. ;D Ditto Cooney but I see more upside in Griffen because he's long kicking is more dangerous (IMO) than his short kicking.
But I actually lean the other way and reckon alot of people give our better players more lee-way regarding their disposal.
I would suggest that people a far more critical of a Jacko, Kingy or Rance and their disposal than they are of Cotchin or say Deledio. A Jacko turnover that results in an oppostion goal can have an entire thread started/dedicated about it ;D, Cotch or Lids don't cop that. Hence, why I reckon some of our better players don't cop the scutiny or the critical eye that our fringe players do
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Totally agree WP.
The so-called elite or stars get away with a lot more on these forums, and from supporters in general, than the non elite or average players.
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Every player makes errors by foot, why are we so critical of our good players when they make errors? I watched the haw - wb game and in the first qtr Griffen was horrible with his disposal, yet by the end of the match all you hear was how good is Griff? A gun like pendlebury makes skill errors by foot every week (I watch every pies game unfortunately) yet we don't hear boo about it. Cotch makes errors and his disposal is suspect. There was a game earlier this year where Cotch had more time in possession than I can remember him having this season and hit 4-5 lace out passes to leading fwds perfectly weighted and then I come on here and here the talk of a few errors he made.
What abt Fyfe? makes more clangers and errors by foot than just about any other player in the comp. Bar G.Ablett who is a freak, every single elite midfielder butchers their fair share of kicks
Fair points t_m.
I agree all elite mids butcher the ball. Interesting you mention Griffen it his disposal that has always had me questioning how good he actually is because he can be "elite" when it comes to butchering the ball. ;D Ditto Cooney but I see more upside in Griffen because he's long kicking is more dangerous (IMO) than his short kicking.
But I actually lean the other way and reckon alot of people give our better players more lee-way regarding their disposal.
I would suggest that people a far more critical of a Jacko, Kingy or Rance and their disposal than they are of Cotchin or say Deledio. A Jacko turnover that results in an oppostion goal can have an entire thread started/dedicated about it ;D, Cotch or Lids don't cop that. Hence, why I reckon some of our better players don't cop the scutiny or the critical eye that our fringe players do
to be fair I think all us tiger supporters are scarred by years of poor skill levels and are probably overly critical of all our players (a graders and plodders alike) in pointing out particular incidents. Maybe if we make a few finals series, we may come back to a happy medium and accept that players sometime fudge up ;D
I think when comparing what say Lids and Cotch do week in week out compared to our fringe players or scapegoats - generally they give us a lot more output than the others, hence why supporters(me included) will cut them more slack and rightfully so I would have thought
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to not howl down and scapegoat every mistake made is to accept mediocrity :banghead
lul
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to not howl down and scapegoat every mistake made is to accept mediocrity :banghead
lul
And is most certainly not the OER way! :whistle
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Every player makes errors by foot, why are we so critical of our good players when they make errors? I watched the haw - wb game and in the first qtr Griffen was horrible with his disposal, yet by the end of the match all you hear was how good is Griff? A gun like pendlebury makes skill errors by foot every week (I watch every pies game unfortunately) yet we don't hear boo about it. Cotch makes errors and his disposal is suspect. There was a game earlier this year where Cotch had more time in possession than I can remember him having this season and hit 4-5 lace out passes to leading fwds perfectly weighted and then I come on here and here the talk of a few errors he made.
What abt Fyfe? makes more clangers and errors by foot than just about any other player in the comp. Bar G.Ablett who is a freak, every single elite midfielder butchers their fair share of kicks
Fair points t_m.
Interesting you mention Griffen it his disposal that has always had me questioning how good he actually is because he can be "elite" when it comes to butchering the ball. ;D Ditto Cooney but I see more upside in Griffen because he's long kicking is more dangerous (IMO) than his short kicking.
+1 on this. AFL official website has him in #9 on player ratings? Did I miss something? Because when I didn't see anything too remarkable from Griffen when we played/spanked them in rounds 3 and 13
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VIDEO: Cotch interviewed after the win over the Hawks ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-08-05/round-19-cotchin-postmatch
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin has cited the team’s Round 18 loss to reigning premier Sydney as a key factor in enabling them to rise to the significant challenge of knocking over ladder leader Hawthorn at the MCG last Saturday.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-05/sydney-lesson-spurs-tigers
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Trent....you must start kicking goals mate, this is the only thing letting you down!!! Captains and midfielders need to kick goals, particularly when you have as many shots as you do.
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Very average today considering the talent he has got.
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Very average today considering the talent he has got.
He really needs to kick the goals he has the opportunity to kick and he just doesn't do it.
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not just missing goals, missing targets too, kicking has turned to poo, hanging around foley too much
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Lol he was one of our best
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Lol he was one of our best
not when he continually misses shots for goal like he did today.
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Lol he was one of our best
conca ellis vickery deledio jackson houli martin were all better than cotchin
even jack missed many goals but at least he was instrumental in many of our goals
stats mean poo
cotchins game was poor
we had what over 100 more touches that bris ,, scoreboard and direct play counts not cheat stats
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cotchin's kicking is worse than whites, edwards, jackson or any other whipping boy you want to dredge up, at the moment.
very frustrating.
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Admit you are all wrong, rewatch the game and look at his second and third efforts and his inside work
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cotch just needs to steady,his hard work creates space for him which sometimes he doesn't realise he has
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Admit you are all wrong, rewatch the game and look at his second and third efforts and his inside work
...and his kicking?(which is the thing we are all commenting on)
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Admit it........now
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I didnt think he was that bad today.
I suppose the disposal efficiency by foot will settle the argument? Anyone privy?
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second third 4th efforts are great but not if u stuff ur disposal up
u watch the game
cotchin was no where near our best
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You know your wrong....admit it
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For all his efforts, his kicking is not up to standard, perhaps you should admit it!
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His lateral movement was awesome to see today. Great effort and follow up but his disposal left a lot to be desired.
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Snip!
Discuss the topic and give your opinions without resorting to insults and namecalling ppl! :banghead
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Cotchin's form demands attention
After a minor slump mid-season, Trent Cotchin is getting back to his best football. The captain was brilliant in the first quarter on Saturday, winning the hard ball, weaving through traffic and setting up teammates. A move had to be made, and in-form tagger Andrew Raines was moved off Brett Deledio. While the Lions robbed Peter to pay Paul, Deledio celebrated, racking up 11 disposals, including eight handball receives, in the second quarter. He can thank his captain for the rare freedom he enjoyed.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-10/talking-points-tigers-v-lions
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particularly when they have as many shots as you do.
:huh :huh :huh
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life. His 'dinky' kicks have now crept into his handballs. Not sure what's happened to him this season but needs to pull his finger out. >:(
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particularly when they have as many shots as you do.
:huh :huh :huh
Typo, fixed!
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life. His 'dinky' kicks have now crept into his handballs. Not sure what's happened to him this season but needs to pull his finger out. >:(
I think its the dinky kicks that get him into trouble and why he cant kick goals, he is not used to kicking through the ball. Have a look at the dinky kick he tried just before the siren, he either stubbed his toe or just lost the ball during the drop, it looked pathetic.
He really needs to work on this, it was one of Jobe Watsons flaws and he rectified it, Trent needs to do the same.
Trent is fantastic in all other areas of his game and a very good leader, he is the best in our team by a mile, but those kicks.. :banghead
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life.
3 qtr time siren vs Hawthorn? Who kicked that? Your Nanna?
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life.
3 qtr time siren vs Hawthorn? Who kicked that? Your Nanna?
:clapping
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life.
3 qtr time siren vs Hawthorn? Who kicked that? Your Nanna?
Don't you mean Freo? ;D
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Trent Cotchin has timed his run
Rumours persisted mid-season that Trent Cotchin was playing through injury, with the Richmond skipper subdued between rounds six and 13. His performance against the Brisbane Lions on Saturday, however, was a timely reminder that the cream will always rise to the top. Cotchin made a brilliant start at the MCG and forced the Lions to redeploy run-with specialist Andrew Raines. But with a tag for company, Cotchin simply readjusted and went on to finish with 30 possessions, including seven clearances and seven inside 50s. Runner-up in last year's Brownlow Medal, Cotchin has averaged 32 possessions over the past month and appears primed to make his mark in September. – Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-11/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-20
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life.
3 qtr time siren vs Hawthorn? Who kicked that? Your Nanna?
Don't you mean Freo? ;D
Did he kick one v Freo as well, whoa, no stopping the Cotch :clapping
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life.
3 qtr time siren vs Hawthorn? Who kicked that? Your Nanna?
Don't you mean Freo? ;D
You hate those dinky kicks he does too WP don't you!!!
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i rate masten a better prospect and player
although Masten IMHO is still the player we need the most
:clapping
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life.
3 qtr time siren vs Hawthorn? Who kicked that? Your Nanna?
Don't you mean Freo? ;D
You hate those dinky kicks he does too WP don't you!!!
What are going on about?
gerks, mentioned the Hawthorn game all I was asking was does gerks mean the Freo game because for memory that's when he kicked the clutch goal
I've made my thoughts on his disposal this year very clear.
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Cannot kick a set shot to save his life.
3 qtr time siren vs Hawthorn? Who kicked that? Your Nanna?
Don't you mean Freo? ;D
You hate those dinky kicks he does too WP don't you!!!
What are going on about?
gerks, mentioned the Hawthorn game all I was asking was does gerks mean the Freo game because for memory that's when he kicked the clutch goal
I've made my thoughts on his disposal this year very clear.
FFS settle down, geezus, just making comment that's all, I can remember you mentioning those little kicks after one of the games you went to that's all.
Go have a beer!!!
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:lol
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;D
Trent 'Boomer' Cotchin
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Barrett in his sliding doors article today:
IF .......... Trent Cotchin is to go to the next level, and let's face it, there 'aint far for him to go
THEN ..... he needs to hit more targets - teammates and goals - by foot.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-16/sliding-doors-round-21
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For a brilliant player and loved by most including me, his apparent ' elite kicking' on both sides does let him down at times, frustrating as hell when going for goal, as much as it hurts me to say it, I would not want him lining up for a 'after the siren kick at goal' to win the game in his current state
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Was his kicking actually good last year or were we blinded by his outstanding form? Was average at best the years before
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Dont think his kicking has ever been elite, but it was acceptable. This year it has been ordinary, at best.
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Been running himself into the ground trying to set the standard of running both ways. Kicking with no air in his lungs.
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Gerks you may have nailed it....At times he trys to literally carry the team himself.
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Been running himself into the ground trying to set the standard of running both ways. Kicking with no air in his lungs.
Also makes over ambitious decisions
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Been running himself into the ground trying to set the standard of running both ways. Kicking with no air in his lungs.
bingo
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Elite players still hit the target
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cotch doesnt hit targets?
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Not often enough no
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Struggled this year has Cotchin. Doubt you'll find any player in the history of the game without a season where they were below their best.
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Late in the game, streaming into the F50, no pressure and kicks with the left foot, WTF???
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Lol yeah. Every single person was just like dude wtf did you go the left?????
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Like Yeah dude
(http://ohnblog.com/newohnblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/WTF-r-u-doin.jpg)
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Late in the game, streaming into the F50, no pressure and kicks with the left foot, WTF???
yep mentioned it earlier smokey. Spot on.
It was very strange indeed. Not so much cause he kicked with his left but more so why didnt he go on the right where he had no pressure on him at all.
maybe its me but it seems he is trying too hard in some games.
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Before the game watson interviewed Cotch and when asked about who he thought Carlton would have run with him. To finish his answer he said something about perhaps no-one, that the''l just roll the dice and open it up.
Watson laughed and said that it wasnt gong to happen, but then as the interview finished he felt he had to reinforce the point that it was not going to happen, in a more serious manner.
at the time i found it amusing, but now i just wonder if watson saw something in Cotch's midset. The way he played did nothing to dispel the thought.
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Did he hurt his right knee when he got cleaned up? Could explain why he went on his left.
Why oh why would our best kicker in Deledio bounce the ball 5+ times then handball to Cotchin? Why would he not kick it himself?
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Before the game watson interviewed Cotch and when asked about who he thought Carlton would have run with him. To finish his answer he said something about perhaps no-one, that the''l just roll the dice and open it up.
Watson laughed and said that it wasnt gong to happen, but then as the interview finished he felt he had to reinforce the point that it was not going to happen, in a more serious manner.
at the time i found it amusing, but now i just wonder if watson saw something in Cotch's midset. The way he played did nothing to dispel the thought.
Interesting observation al. I remember seeing and thinking it was a little too sugary for a pre-game interview and I remember that moment with Watson too. I think sometimes especially in pre game interviews in the rooms, if Watson's interview starts becoming a bit too jovial he will try and steer it back very quickly with a 'serious' observation. That's all I thought it was at the time.
Struggled this year has Cotchin. Doubt you'll find any player in the history of the game without a season where they were below their best.
Good point.
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Pain won't slow Trent Cotchin as he leads from the front
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Wednesday, September 4, 2013
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has admitted discomfort from the knee he hurt back in April persisted throughout the middle part of the season but is under control going into the finals.
The 23-year-old suffered bone bruising when he hyperextended his knee against Fremantle in round five.
While he played the following week against Geelong, he was ruled out of the Tigers' round seven clash against Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium.
He hasn't missed a game since but conceded it did linger and he initially had to manage it carefully.
"At this stage it's pretty free and there are no other issues so I've just got to make sure my body's ready to go next week," Cotchin told AFL.com.au.
"It was a little bit of a battle through the middle of the year, but my main focus this season has been doing my role for the team and I think that's been the majority of our guys' focuses.
"That's what you see in the strong cultures that are at the top all the time and that's what we're trying to get to."
On Tuesday morning, after the reality of finishing in the top eight had sunk in, Cotchin said the players were getting ready to embrace an unfamiliar experience as they prepared for Sunday's elimination final against Carlton.
They were set to train later on in the day, where he said he expected a little bit of natural anxiety to set in.
Cotchin predicted plenty of enthusiasm to shine through as the players prepared to break a finals drought in front of a predicted crowd of over 85,000.
"It's very different to previous years. A couple of jokes have been flying around that the boys would have been having a drink yesterday, so it's very different for us but we're excited," he said.
"In my time at Richmond, you see how proud and passionate our supporters are and to be starved of that opportunity for 12 or so years is a long time.
"The reality is, that's just sometimes how it works and we're very excited about the opportunity, but we know the challenge is ahead and we need to put our best four-quarter effort in on Sunday."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-04/pain-wont-slow-cotchin
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Has had a poor season this year, if he backs up with the same crap next season the some hard calls will have to be made. The captaincy is clearly a burden upon him....
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I'm expecting Chimp to revel on the big stage this Sunday. :thumbsup
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I'm expecting Chimp to revel on the big stage this Sunday. :thumbsup
X2
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Has had a poor season this year
Still our best player.
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i reckon our B&F count may say otherwise, for this year any way.
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Captain Cotch has finally jumped on Twitter - @tcotchin9
https://twitter.com/tcotchin9
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Cotchin sets Tiger Brownlow record
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Trent Cotchin has become the first player in Richmond’s history to poll 15 votes or more in the Brownlow Medal three seasons in-a-row.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-24/cotchin-sets-tiger-brownlow-record
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Cotchin’s burning desire
richmondfc.com.au
October 8, 2013
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin has set his sights on a huge 2014 season, after what he’s described, personally, as an “up and down” 2013.
“It (the season) probably wasn’t quite as consistent as last year. I thought, from a playing role perspective, it improved as the year went on and I felt that I had an impact on the team. But certainly, individually, I don’t think I was as exciting as last season,” Cotchin said.
“The one positive about that is it’s a burning desire that’s in my guts for this off-season, first and foremost, but then the pre-season.
“I want to have a ripping 2014.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-08/cotchins-burning-desire
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Hasn't got a kick in the last few weeks, we need Cotch to lift
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Cotch and Brooke tied the knot yesterday. Congrats to both :clapping.
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troychaplin25 - "Enjoying the Sunset at Cotchy's wedding @dastbury12 @BrettDeledio03 @ShaunGrigg6 @JackRiewoldt08 #ladsinapaddock"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba30CFYCEAAmU2h.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/JackRiewoldt08/status/409252604309303297/photo/1/large
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Cotch and Brooke tied the knot yesterday. Congrats to both :clapping.
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troychaplin25 - "Enjoying the Sunset at Cotchy's wedding @dastbury12 @BrettDeledio03 @ShaunGrigg6 @JackRiewoldt08 #ladsinapaddock"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba30CFYCEAAmU2h.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/JackRiewoldt08/status/409252604309303297/photo/1/large
Is that Dusty riding off into the sunset ?
I'm hearing some pretty full on rumours about Dusty's behavior at Cotchy's wedding. If they're true he's in strife.
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Off season wouldn't be complete without Dusty rumours :clapping
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Cotch and Brooke tied the knot yesterday. Congrats to both :clapping.
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troychaplin25 - "Enjoying the Sunset at Cotchy's wedding @dastbury12 @BrettDeledio03 @ShaunGrigg6 @JackRiewoldt08 #ladsinapaddock"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba30CFYCEAAmU2h.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/JackRiewoldt08/status/409252604309303297/photo/1/large
Is that Dusty riding off into the sunset ?
I'm hearing some pretty full on rumours about Dusty's behavior at Cotchy's wedding. If they're true he's in strife.
He caught the bouquet?
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I was in before the snip :cheers
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Cotch and Brooke tied the knot yesterday. Congrats to both :clapping.
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troychaplin25 - "Enjoying the Sunset at Cotchy's wedding @dastbury12 @BrettDeledio03 @ShaunGrigg6 @JackRiewoldt08 #ladsinapaddock"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba30CFYCEAAmU2h.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/JackRiewoldt08/status/409252604309303297/photo/1/large
Is that Dusty riding off into the sunset ?
I'm hearing some pretty full on rumours about Dusty's behavior at Cotchy's wedding. If they're true he's in strife.
Yes dusty is heading in that direction but its another kind of Sun. The one that shines out of Ralph Carr's bum and its beaming like the bat Signal
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He caught the bouquet?
Sheeet no !! nothing that bad. I said he'd be in strife , I didn't say the rest of his life would be totally screwed ;D
Hey do the mods just snip stuff for a power kick ? Anyone would know that Gerks and I were clearly joking around.
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Hey do the mods just snip stuff for a power kick ? Anyone would know that Gerks and I were clearly joking around.
No, joking or not, the crude stuff gets snipped has been the case for a very long time (over 12 months)
See: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17325.msg352746#msg352746
In particular:
"....... what can only be described as the "hijacking" of footy discussions with either off-topic personal comments not relevant to the footy discussion, insults directed to other posters, crude comments and baiting of other posters. "
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Crude?
FO prude
::)
I was in before the snip :cheers
Yessss the truth is out there :clapping
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Crude?
FO prude
::)
I was in before the snip :cheers
Yessss the truth is out there :clapping
Better believe it :clapping
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Cotchin learns valuable lessons
Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
December 27, 2013
It speaks volumes for Trent Cotchin’s sheer football talent that he could have, in his own words, an “up and down” 2013, yet still top the rankings for the Richmond team in several key on-field categories, poll 19 Brownlow Medal votes, and secure another top-five placing in the Jack Dyer Medal.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-12-27/cotchin-learns-valuable-lessons
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RICHMOND: Trent Cotchin, ankle, achilles, pre-seasons 2008 and 2009.
The future Richmond captain didn't have the best run when he first started his career. After being selected with pick No.2 in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, he went about rehabilitating the fractured ankle he suffered in the TAC Cup finals. Then, his achilles became inflamed and his ankle continued to hurt, which meant he didn't debut until round eight in 2008. Then, the following summer, he was dogged by another bout of achilles soreness that again kept him from playing seniors until round eight. He had hip surgery late in 2009 but was able to start the 2010 season on time and played 17 games that year. In the past three years, he's missed one game and has put those problems behind him, but one wonders how quickly he could have become as good as he is now had he had those formative pre-seasons under his belt. - Jennifer Phelan
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-01-18/preseason-injuries-your-clubs-most-recent-big-blow
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VIDEO of the Captain's 4 goals (to along with his 33 possies) :bow
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-02-22/cotchin-kicks-four
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Gun
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This is the area Cotch need to improve, kicking goals, he took a step towards that today, if he does this in the season proper he will be the complete package!!
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
He rarely kicks goals!!
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
He rarely kicks goals!!
Had a lean year last year and didn't kick many in his first three season which were all interrupted by injury, but 61 goals in 108 games, including 39 in his first two full seasons - and a career average of 1.77 goals every 2 games is hardly "rarely" and probably about par for a mid...
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
He rarely kicks goals!!
Had a lean year last year and didn't kick many in his first three season which were all interrupted by injury, but 61 goals in 108 games, including 39 in his first two full seasons - and a career average of 1.77 goals every 2 games is hardly "rarely" and probably about par for a mid...
He kicks less than many other midfielders (stars) and I would hazard a guess that Watson kicked more than him last year....I may be wrong though.. ;)
Even Cotch admits its area where he wants to improve, so he is saying it himself, so is the coach.
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
He rarely kicks goals!!
Your original comment said he needs to start kicking goals and yesterday he took the first step towards that.
I say that is complete BS and that rather than kicking goals in a NAB cup match in last years final he kicked two extremely important goals, one a left foot snap that not many other footballers could do and the other a goal right at half time.
I know you have trouble sticking to your own story however this one is clear cut.
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
He rarely kicks goals!!
Your original comment said he needs to start kicking goals and yesterday he took the first step towards that.
I say that is complete BS and that rather than kicking goals in a NAB cup match in last years final he kicked two extremely important goals, one a left foot snap that not many other footballers could do and the other a goal right at half time.
I know you have trouble sticking to your own story however this one is clear cut.
Yes that's right and yes he did.
Did we win???? He should be kicking goals every/most game 2-4. I watched a game last year where he missed about 5 set shots..
No I don't and yes it is, he needs to do what he did yesterday more regularly!!!
Now stuff off back to BF where you belong on the Collingwood forum and stop trolling here!!
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2013 was an anomaly for Cotch.
If any of you watched him as a junior extensively, he was often used as a forward and kicked many goals. PEG used to clear the forward line and leave him one out on his opponent. He used to destroy.
I noticed last preseason that his radar was off compared to 2012. He looks much sharper this year. He is back to the Cotch that we all know. That precision is back.
As long as he is injury free, he is set for a bumper year!
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15/1 fir Charlie :burgereater
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
He rarely kicks goals!!
Your original comment said he needs to start kicking goals and yesterday he took the first step towards that.
I say that is complete BS and that rather than kicking goals in a NAB cup match in last years final he kicked two extremely important goals, one a left foot snap that not many other footballers could do and the other a goal right at half time.
I know you have trouble sticking to your own story however this one is clear cut.
Yes that's right and yes he did.
Did we win???? He should be kicking goals every/most game 2-4. I watched a game last year where he missed about 5 set shots..
No I don't and yes it is, he needs to do what he did yesterday more regularly!!!
Now stuff off back to BF where you belong on the Collingwood forum and stop trolling here!!
Why are you bringing winning or losing into it?, the point in question is when Cotch started kicking goals in games, you said the first step was yesterday.
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Short memory, his two goals in the first final last year were class
He rarely kicks goals!!
Your original comment said he needs to start kicking goals and yesterday he took the first step towards that.
I say that is complete BS and that rather than kicking goals in a NAB cup match in last years final he kicked two extremely important goals, one a left foot snap that not many other footballers could do and the other a goal right at half time.
I know you have trouble sticking to your own story however this one is clear cut.
Yes that's right and yes he did.
Did we win???? He should be kicking goals every/most game 2-4. I watched a game last year where he missed about 5 set shots..
No I don't and yes it is, he needs to do what he did yesterday more regularly!!!
Now stuff off back to BF where you belong on the Collingwood forum and stop trolling here!!
44 to 88 goals a season for Cotchin. :clapping
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Richmond wants skipper Trent Cotchin to drift forward and kick more goals
Glenn McFarlane
From: Herald Sun
February 23, 2014 7:18PM
RICHMOND wants captain Trent Cotchin to push forward more often — and kick more goals — this season as the Tigers seek greater flexibility from its midfield brigade.
Cotchin gave a glimpse of what might be a valuable weapon for the Tigers this season when he kicked four goals in Saturday’s NAB Challenge clash with Collingwood in Wangaratta.
And coach Damien Hardwick said the plan was to see more of this when the home-and-away season kicks off for the Tigers, against Gold Coast on March 15.
“It is something we need for him to do,” Hardwick said. “He is such a valuable one-on-one player, as is (Brett) Deledio. They are really hard guys to match up on.
“We have got to make sure we continue to give him the chance to push forward.
“With Dustin (Martin) off half-back and Cotchin off half-back at various stages and up forward as well, it just creates flexibility for our side.
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year and we will be looking to do a bit more of that. We will continue to tinker.”
Incredibly, Cotchin only managed six goals from his 22 games last season, including two kicked in the Tigers’ elimination final loss to Carlton.
He has kicked 61 goals from his 108 games, including a career-high 21 in 2012, but Cotchin and the Tigers are confident he can prove a dangerous force, if given more time in attack.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-wants-skipper-trent-cotchin-to-drift-forward-and-kick-more-goals/story-fndv8t7m-1226835349855
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Richmond wants skipper Trent Cotchin to drift forward and kick more goals
Glenn McFarlane
From: Herald Sun
February 23, 2014 7:18PM
RICHMOND wants captain Trent Cotchin to push forward more often — and kick more goals — this season as the Tigers seek greater flexibility from its midfield brigade.
Cotchin gave a glimpse of what might be a valuable weapon for the Tigers this season when he kicked four goals in Saturday’s NAB Challenge clash with Collingwood in Wangaratta.
And coach Damien Hardwick said the plan was to see more of this when the home-and-away season kicks off for the Tigers, against Gold Coast on March 15.
“It is something we need for him to do,” Hardwick said. “He is such a valuable one-on-one player, as is (Brett) Deledio. They are really hard guys to match up on.
“We have got to make sure we continue to give him the chance to push forward.
“With Dustin (Martin) off half-back and Cotchin off half-back at various stages and up forward as well, it just creates flexibility for our side.
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year and we will be looking to do a bit more of that. We will continue to tinker.”
Incredibly, Cotchin only managed six goals from his 22 games last season, including two kicked in the Tigers’ elimination final loss to Carlton.
He has kicked 61 goals from his 108 games, including a career-high 21 in 2012, but Cotchin and the Tigers are confident he can prove a dangerous force, if given more time in attack.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-wants-skipper-trent-cotchin-to-drift-forward-and-kick-more-goals/story-fndv8t7m-1226835349855
Gee, the RFC recognizes it too, they must also not have a clue eh boys.... :whistle
Great stats from last year too...take the two goals away from the final and.... :whistle
All I said was he should be kicking more goals, pity some of the forum "Coaches" cant see it.. :wallywink
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You said he should kick 2-4 a game. That's at least 44 a season. Name a midfielder who produces that? And he kicked 21 goals in 2012, very impressive considering we were an average side. Last year he stuck it out with a bung knee and played in the guts all year. And it makes it harder to kick goals when you're injured and not resting forward as much
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year"
We can use big font to prove a point too
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You said he should kick 2-4 a game. That's at least 44 a season. Name a midfielder who produces that? And he kicked 21 goals in 2012, very impressive considering we were an average side. Last year he stuck it out with a bung knee and played in the guts all year. And it makes it harder to kick goals when you're injured and not resting forward as much
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year"
We can use big font to prove a point too
He kicked six goals last year, six, that's it.....he's admitted he needs to kick more, the coach has too, why cant you see it????
44 a season, so what, why cant he?????
Excuses are easier to find than solutions, you probably live by that..bung knee and all... :wallywink
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Oh well if we are making poo up I want him to kick 66 goals per season
Anything below that will be a failure.
I also want him to average 15 tackles a game as well. Just throwing it out there.
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Oh well if we are making poo up I want him to kick 66 goals per season
Anything below that will be a failure.
I also want him to average 15 tackles a game as well. Just throwing it out there.
Please show me where I said "failure" brains????
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Oh well if we are making poo up I want him to kick 66 goals per season
Anything below that will be a failure.
I also want him to average 15 tackles a game as well. Just throwing it out there.
Well WAT wants him to kick 2-4 a game. If he does that he will be around the 60 mark. Not unrealistic. Actually I think we should be pushing all our midfielders to kick at least 30+ and that includes Jacko.
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Oh well if we are making poo up I want him to kick 66 goals per season
Anything below that will be a failure.
I also want him to average 15 tackles a game as well. Just throwing it out there.
Well WAT wants him to kick 2-4 a game. If he does that he will be around the 60 mark. Not unrealistic. Actually I think we should be pushing all our midfielders to kick at least 30+ and that includes Jacko.
coach, hey, he might kick 3-6 a game, that would be great too!!!
Realistically, 1-2 with the occasional 3-4 thrown in would be a very good season..
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Oh well if we are making poo up I want him to kick 66 goals per season
Anything below that will be a failure.
I also want him to average 15 tackles a game as well. Just throwing it out there.
Well WAT wants him to kick 2-4 a game. If he does that he will be around the 60 mark. Not unrealistic. Actually I think we should be pushing all our midfielders to kick at least 30+ and that includes Jacko.
coach, hey, he might kick 3-6 a game, that would be great too!!!
Realistically, 1-2 with the occasional 3-4 thrown in would be a very good season..
Hey muchacho. You said 2-4 a game, that is 44 at the very least for the season. Not sure what the issue is here.
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Snip
No need for the insults
Just stick to the topic and debate that
And just a reminder about the 3 strikes policy
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17325.msg415648#msg415648
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Cotchin to be the first midfielder to win the Coleman.
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unless they give up on martin playing accross half back as part of his rotations.
He would have had three goals to half time on the weekend if he'd played midfield resting forward.
two midfielders 1 and 2 in the coleman race!
wowee, we wont even need defenders at that rate.
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Cotchin to be the first midfielder to win the Coleman.
Oh yeh :clapping
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unless they give up on martin playing accross half back as part of his rotations.
He would have had three goals to half time on the weekend if he'd played midfield resting forward.
two midfielders 1 and 2 in the coleman race!
wowee, we wont even need defenders at that rate.
That gets a double :clapping :clapping
If we do without a couple of backmen we could put two more midfielders in the side that both would be kicking 50+ goals per season
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FFS even the last 3 posters can see it :banghead
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Oh well if we are making poo up I want him to kick 66 goals per season
Anything below that will be a failure.
I also want him to average 15 tackles a game as well. Just throwing it out there.
Well WAT wants him to kick 2-4 a game. If he does that he will be around the 60 mark. Not unrealistic. Actually I think we should be pushing all our midfielders to kick at least 30+ and that includes Jacko.
coach, hey, he might kick 3-6 a game, that would be great too!!!
Realistically, 1-2 with the occasional 3-4 thrown in would be a very good season..
Hey muchacho. You said 2-4 a game, that is 44 at the very least for the season. Not sure what the issue is here.
What I can't change my mind Newman??? Bottom line guy, he need's to become a goal kicking midfielder..... Can't you see that, six goals is not enough in a season for someone that plays in his position. Get with the times, it's not the thirties like when you played.. :wallywink
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Wtf the goal posts are changing, fair enough then instead of 15 tackles per game I want Cotch to do 14 per game
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Wtf the goal posts are changing, fair enough then instead of 15 tackles per game I want Cotch to do 14 per game
:shh :thumbsup
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Why does harewick decide that now when according to him it seems obvious ?
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Why does harewick decide that now when according to him it seems obvious ?
What do you mean Ox?
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Oh well if we are making poo up I want him to kick 66 goals per season
Anything below that will be a failure.
I also want him to average 15 tackles a game as well. Just throwing it out there.
Well WAT wants him to kick 2-4 a game. If he does that he will be around the 60 mark. Not unrealistic. Actually I think we should be pushing all our midfielders to kick at least 30+ and that includes Jacko.
coach, hey, he might kick 3-6 a game, that would be great too!!!
Realistically, 1-2 with the occasional 3-4 thrown in would be a very good season..
Hey muchacho. You said 2-4 a game, that is 44 at the very least for the season. Not sure what the issue is here.
What I can't change my mind Newman??? Bottom line guy, he need's to become a goal kicking midfielder..... Can't you see that, six goals is not enough in a season for someone that plays in his position. Get with the times, it's not the thirties like when you played.. :wallywink
So what you're saying is...Cotchin isn't good enough to play for Richmond unless he's kicking 60 a season and winnings Colemans?
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So what you're saying is...Cotchin isn't good enough to play for Richmond unless he's kicking 60 a season and winnings Colemans?
That's correct Coach. Throw in a Charlie and a Normy and he gets a pass mark.
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So what you're saying is...Cotchin isn't good enough to play for Richmond unless he's kicking 60 a season and winnings Colemans?
That's correct Coach. Throw in a Charlie and a Normy and he gets a pass mark.
Even Dice can see it. Also WAT, don't mention anything about my playing days.
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So what you're saying is...Cotchin isn't good enough to play for Richmond unless he's kicking 60 a season and winnings Colemans?
That's correct Coach. Throw in a Charlie and a Normy and he gets a pass mark.
Even Dice can see it. Also WAT, don't mention anything about my playing days.
So what your saying is you were the best player going around....
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Whoa! Coach!!! :bow
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Yeah what mate?
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Yeah what mate?
Just didn't realise you were that good mate!
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Yeah what mate?
Just didn't realise you were that good mate!
Mate he is the best there ever was...was.....just ask him, hang on, he will tell you.. ;D
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Not sure I have ever mentioned anything about when I played. Old 65 did some digging and seems to think he knows me and blokes like you lap it up. And it has nothing to do with Trent Cotchin yet you're the one who raised it.
We should be focusing on getting rid of Chimp if he doesn't win the Coleman, right?
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Not sure I have ever mentioned anything about when I played. Old 65 did some digging and seems to think he knows me and blokes like you lap it up. And it has nothing to do with Trent Cotchin yet you're the one who raised it.
We should be focusing on getting rid of Chimp if he doesn't win the Coleman, right?
Actually it is a Brownlow and Coleman double
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under 70 goals is not a real Coleman FFS ::)
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Cotch is still training with that bandage around his right calf.
(http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/478273817-trent-cotchin-marks-the-ball-during-a-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXtFVH10JmyVzcjmkXRgrc4oSIYpEGDxMSy%2biVCQWGGZrOb%2bc2Sx3wiHVrnPJjECxSQ%3d%3d)
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/trent-cotchin-marks-the-ball-during-a-richmond-tigers-afl-news-photo/478273817
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Daddy :cheers :cheers :cheers
This forum is a disgrace btw
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Cotch is still training with that bandage around his right calf.
(http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/478273817-trent-cotchin-marks-the-ball-during-a-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXtFVH10JmyVzcjmkXRgrc4oSIYpEGDxMSy%2biVCQWGGZrOb%2bc2Sx3wiHVrnPJjECxSQ%3d%3d)
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/trent-cotchin-marks-the-ball-during-a-richmond-tigers-afl-news-photo/478273817
No he's just covering his tatt.....
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VIDEO: Trent Cotchin - Game changer ...
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-26/game-changers-trent-cotchin
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Needs a huge game.
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Needs a huge game.
Needs more protection from his midfield and a few more teammates to not just coast along expecting him to do everything.
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So Trent Cotchin is #9 in the top players ranked by players
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-01/players-top-50-no9
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Hardwick lauded the efforts of captain Trent Cotchin, arguably Richmond's only four-quarter player, the skipper finishing with 28 possessions and 11 clearances.
"His centre bounce work in the third and fourth quarter got us back into the contest. When we needed him to stand up and get us back in the game, he was one guy who led the charge, which was really impressive."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/loss-has-tigers-chasing-tail-20140405-365q7.html#ixzz2y19CZmBe
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Trent should have buried some goals in the first half. But it shouldn't be Cotchins job to kick the goals, I don't understand on the 'midfield' spread rubbish. We pay Jack and Vickery big bucks to be forwards and kick goals, kick it to them like we did in the 2nd half FFS.
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he was there lining up for the goals right? then he should have kicked them
:wallywink
his misses cost us the game
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Cotchin was brilliant in the 2nd half and he got us back in the game but those early misses were poor no doubt.
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Captains kick goals
His effort when running into goals 35m out and tries to pass to Jackson says enough
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No comment :rollin
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Captains kick goals
His effort when running into goals 35m out and tries to pass to Jackson says enough
An Ablett, Watson, Selwood and I could go on would have nailed that goal. Don't get me wrong Trent plays his guts out for the team but sometimes in those key moments its like it all weighs too heavily on his shoulders and he has a brain explosion. Still seems to lack that out an out confidence of an AFL captain that the others mentioned have in spades.
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I think that is a great call lozza but he is only 23
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Captains kick goals
His effort when running into goals 35m out and tries to pass to Jackson says enough
I agree he should have kicked the goal instead of passing BUT it's only one example. In the elimination final last year he kicked a couple of fantastic captains goals. Nobody wants to mention the ones he has kicked. I've seen all the players mentioned as better captains make similar mistakes but they happen so infrequently that not many remember them.
The guy is a young captain. He is still learning being a leader. He needs help from team mates as well. It is a team game you know, not a one man band.
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He has lost confidence since his 2012 season.
It seems the continual burden of continual expectation with very little support around him has hindered him.
Where are the jumper tugs after a big goal ie dreamtime 2012 or the fist pumps now?
Seems to not inspire anymore just play.
As captain of the club needs to be expressive. We laugh at Jack but maybe Cotch needs to start staring down teammates when they do the wrong thing.
Difference between us Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney is all players are accountable and those who fail to adhere to team disciplines are subject to scrutiny our blokes just seem to cruise and take no responsibility whatsoever. It's okay to blame a few spuds when we lose a close one but the apparent lack of leadership from a so called good side is evident.
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F me talk about eating our own
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He was our best by a long way yesterday in spite of the goals he missed.
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He grabbed the team by the scruff of the neck yesterday and single handed got us back into the game
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Captains kick goals
His effort when running into goals 35m out and tries to pass to Jackson says enough
An Ablett, Watson, Selwood and I could go on would have nailed that goal. Don't get me wrong Trent plays his guts out for the team but sometimes in those key moments its like it all weighs too heavily on his shoulders and he has a brain explosion. Still seems to lack that out an out confidence of an AFL captain that the others mentioned have in spades.
Correct
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F me talk about eating our own
:lol
The same own that we were all idolising last year as we marched to the finals.
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F me talk about eating our own
:lol
The same own that we were all idolising last year as we marched to the finals.
Reality check we got beaten by 9th placed Carlton in final
2015 we have gone backwards by 10% where other teams have improved 10%
Watching Grigg .Edwards yesterday and watching the captain kick the ball bearly 10 metres on the outer wing to Jackson yesterday makes me think we have lost the plot
After 3 rounds .no finals in 2015 at this rate
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Captains kick goals
His effort when running into goals 35m out and tries to pass to Jackson says enough
Agree, its the 1 chink in his armour. Cotchin's mistakes are the least of our worries. Ablett made 3 mistakes in a row yesterday and the commentators made a big deal out of it. When ever the best players make mistakes its blown up.
Haven't heard about Chaplins mr money bags and leadership extradanaire's turn over clangers that cost us 2 goals by kicking 2 15m kicks straight to WB players. They and many others are bigger issues than Trent missing goals.
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Why were my posts deleted? Can't have an opinion ? Why is it not right to say he doesn't hit targets?
He doesn't
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You are lucky they were deleted along with ours. That petition would get 100 signatures on here pal
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Where is my post telling Mrakov to go and get f.u.c.ked.? Seriously you blokes dont have a sense of humor ;D
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You guys are shocking just stick to the topic please
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Captains kick goals
His effort when running into goals 35m out and tries to pass to Jackson says enough
An Ablett, Watson, Selwood and I could go on would have nailed that goal. Don't get me wrong Trent plays his guts out for the team but sometimes in those key moments its like it all weighs too heavily on his shoulders and he has a brain explosion. Still seems to lack that out an out confidence of an AFL captain that the others mentioned have in spades.
Dare I say it... :whistle :whistle AGREE
He has lost confidence since his 2012 season.
It seems the continual burden of continual expectation with very little support around him has hindered him.
Where are the jumper tugs after a big goal ie dreamtime 2012 or the fist pumps now?
Seems to not inspire anymore just play.
As captain of the club needs to be expressive. We laugh at Jack but maybe Cotch needs to start staring down teammates when they do the wrong thing.
Difference between us Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney is all players are accountable and those who fail to adhere to team disciplines are subject to scrutiny our blokes just seem to cruise and take no responsibility whatsoever. It's okay to blame a few spuds when we lose a close one but the apparent lack of leadership from a so called good side is evident.
Very good call Don
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F me talk about eating our own
:lol
The same own that we were all idolising last year as we marched to the finals.
Reality check we got beaten by 9th placed Carlton in final
2015 we have gone backwards by 10% where other teams have improved 10%
Watching Grigg .Edwards yesterday and watching the captain kick the ball bearly 10 metres on the outer wing to Jackson yesterday makes me think we have lost the plot
After 3 rounds .no finals in 2015 at this rate
Time goes to quickly these days, since when has it been 2015 :lol
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He grabbed the team by the scruff of the neck yesterday and single handed got us back into the game
no jack did
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He grabbed the team by the scruff of the neck yesterday and single handed got us back into the game
no jack did
So Jack was single-handedly winning all the clearances too was he?
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Whilst my heart dropped when Cotchin missed those goals, it wasn't solely Cotchin's fault the team was 6 goals down. Cotchin and Riewoldt did their absolute best to resurrect a dead tiger outfit. We were 3 points short of winning. IMO 20/22 players could've done something to put an extra 3 points on the scoreboard.
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You said he should kick 2-4 a game. That's at least 44 a season. Name a midfielder who produces that? And he kicked 21 goals in 2012, very impressive considering we were an average side. Last year he stuck it out with a bung knee and played in the guts all year. And it makes it harder to kick goals when you're injured and not resting forward as much
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year"
We can use big font to prove a point too
He kicked six goals last year, six, that's it.....he's admitted he needs to kick more, the coach has too, why cant you see it????
44 a season, so what, why cant he?????
Excuses are easier to find than solutions, you probably live by that..bung knee and all... :wallywink
The goals he missed on the weekend should of been kicked, this is why I wrote what I did!!!!
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Whilst my heart dropped when Cotchin missed those goals, it wasn't solely Cotchin's fault the team was 6 goals down. Cotchin and Riewoldt did their absolute best to resurrect a dead tiger outfit. We were 3 points short of winning. IMO 20/22 players could've done something to put an extra 3 points on the scoreboard.
Or one less turnover from Chaplin might have saved 6 points the other way.
Cotch and Gordon out on the full hurt though.
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You said he should kick 2-4 a game. That's at least 44 a season. Name a midfielder who produces that? And he kicked 21 goals in 2012, very impressive considering we were an average side. Last year he stuck it out with a bung knee and played in the guts all year. And it makes it harder to kick goals when you're injured and not resting forward as much
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year"
We can use big font to prove a point too
He kicked six goals last year, six, that's it.....he's admitted he needs to kick more, the coach has too, why cant you see it????
44 a season, so what, why cant he?????
Excuses are easier to find than solutions, you probably live by that..bung knee and all... :wallywink
The goals he missed on the weekend should of been kicked, this is why I wrote what I did!!!!
Then why didn't you write that? Why didn't you say he needs to convert more accurately rather than saying he needs to kick 44-66 goals to get a pass mark?
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You said he should kick 2-4 a game. That's at least 44 a season. Name a midfielder who produces that? And he kicked 21 goals in 2012, very impressive considering we were an average side. Last year he stuck it out with a bung knee and played in the guts all year. And it makes it harder to kick goals when you're injured and not resting forward as much
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year"
We can use big font to prove a point too
He kicked six goals last year, six, that's it.....he's admitted he needs to kick more, the coach has too, why cant you see it????
44 a season, so what, why cant he?????
Excuses are easier to find than solutions, you probably live by that..bung knee and all... :wallywink
The goals he missed on the weekend should of been kicked, this is why I wrote what I did!!!!
Then why didn't you write that? Why didn't you say he needs to convert more accurately rather than saying he needs to kick 44-66 goals to get a pass mark?
Sorry, thought you might put 2+2 together and work out that if he kicked more accurately he would inadvertently kick more goals...
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You said he should kick 2-4 a game. That's at least 44 a season. Name a midfielder who produces that? And he kicked 21 goals in 2012, very impressive considering we were an average side. Last year he stuck it out with a bung knee and played in the guts all year. And it makes it harder to kick goals when you're injured and not resting forward as much
“It is something we probably didn’t exploit as much last year"
We can use big font to prove a point too
He kicked six goals last year, six, that's it.....he's admitted he needs to kick more, the coach has too, why cant you see it????
44 a season, so what, why cant he?????
Excuses are easier to find than solutions, you probably live by that..bung knee and all... :wallywink
The goals he missed on the weekend should of been kicked, this is why I wrote what I did!!!!
Then why didn't you write that? Why didn't you say he needs to convert more accurately rather than saying he needs to kick 44-66 goals to get a pass mark?
Sorry, thought you might put 2+2 together and work out that if he kicked more accurately he would inadvertently kick more goals...
So he'd be aiming to miss thus inadvertently kick more goals?
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I thought the target was 88 goals
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Really barking up the wrong tree on this one. Cotchin was outstanding. Yeh he missed a couple early. That wasn't good but he wasn't the only one who missed easy shots.
We woulda lost by 10+ goals without him. His intensity at the contest all game just accentuated the pathetic lack of intensity by the rest of his teammates
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Really barking up the wrong tree on this one. Cotchin was outstanding. Yeh he missed a couple early. That wasn't good but he wasn't the only one who missed easy shots.
We woulda lost by 10+ goals without him. His intensity at the contest all game just accentuated the pathetic lack of intensity by the rest of his teammates
Spot on Dice!! :clapping
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McCrae 30 disposals at Dis Eff 76.7%
Boyd 29 at 79.3%
Libba 24 at 83.3%
Cotch 28 at 67.9%
Jackson 23 at 52.2%
Thomas 21 at 66.7%
source: http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2014/3/wb-v-rich
Cotch's disposal efficiency was low, but he wasnt on his own there.
As jackstar said, he is a very good player - in fact a very very good player. Is he elite - yes but not an A plus (like an Ablett or Selwood), just an A. His missing targets/goals hurts.
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McCrae 30 disposals at Dis Eff 76.7%
Boyd 29 at 79.3%
Libba 24 at 83.3%
Cotch 28 at 67.9%
Jackson 23 at 52.2%
Thomas 21 at 66.7%
source: http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2014/3/wb-v-rich
Cotch's disposal efficiency was low, but he wasnt on his own there.
As jackstar said, he is a very good player - in fact a very very good player. Is he elite - yes but not an A plus (like an Ablett or Selwood), just an A. His missing targets/goals hurts.
When you're carrying the entire team your DE% is going to drop. I wouldn't be able to kick a goal 10m out if I had to carry an African Elephant on my back. Ablett is just in a class of his own so I'm excluding him as a comparison. But Selwood, has incredible support. So does, Pendlebury. So does Hodge. When you're the only playing having a decent crack and being competitive, you're going to miss a few targets. When the team is actually playing decent football his DE% is going to go up as well because he'll actually have someone to link up with.
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Cotchin's stats this year compared to the rest of the afl elite are poor.
See http://www.afl.com.au/stats
His disposal efficiency out of the top 20 possession getters in the league is ranked only 17th - 60.4% DE, Stevie J 60.2%, Beams 57.3% and Priddis 52.5%
As for the comment he is carrying his team - Nathan Jones 67.8% and he is a man who is carrying his team.
Incidentall, Watson DE is 85.1%, Selwood is 78.7%
Clangers - he is equal first with 15 ie. 5 per game. Ablett is ranked the same.
Tackles - he is ranked 18th with 7 tackles, Rosa has 6 and Tyson 4.
Finally, carrying the team has nothing to do with set shots for goal there is no pressure and 30 secs to kick the darn thing- 1.1.OOTF (Out On The Full)
People need to take the blinkers off when analysing Cotch a bit - yes great player. But he has some faults - intensity is not one of them.
On field leadership - not yet there. Where are the rest of the leadership group though? Chapling was kicking it to the oppostion from 15 metres - that was stellar.
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Cotchin's stats this year compared to the rest of the afl elite are poor.
See http://www.afl.com.au/stats
His disposal efficiency out of the top 20 possession getters in the league is ranked only 17th - 60.4% DE, Stevie J 60.2%, Beams 57.3% and Priddis 52.5%
As for the comment he is carrying his team - Nathan Jones 67.8% and he is a man who is carrying his team.
Incidentall, Watson DE is 85.1%, Selwood is 78.7%
Clangers - he is equal first with 15 ie. 5 per game. Ablett is ranked the same.
Tackles - he is ranked 18th with 7 tackles, Rosa has 6 and Tyson 4.
Finally, carrying the team has nothing to do with set shots for goal there is no pressure and 30 secs to kick the darn thing- 1.1.OOTF (Out On The Full)
People need to take the blinkers off when analysing Cotch a bit - yes great player. But he has some faults - intensity is not one of them.
On field leadership - not yet there. Where are the rest of the leadership group though? Chapling was kicking it to the oppostion from 15 metres - that was stellar.
Nobody said he was perfect but you really need to look elsewhere for where the problems are...and to a point I do believe he is carrying the team right now.
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Dud,delist.
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Cotchin's stats this year compared to the rest of the afl elite are poor.
See http://www.afl.com.au/stats
His disposal efficiency out of the top 20 possession getters in the league is ranked only 17th - 60.4% DE, Stevie J 60.2%, Beams 57.3% and Priddis 52.5%
As for the comment he is carrying his team - Nathan Jones 67.8% and he is a man who is carrying his team.
Incidentall, Watson DE is 85.1%, Selwood is 78.7%
Clangers - he is equal first with 15 ie. 5 per game. Ablett is ranked the same.
Tackles - he is ranked 18th with 7 tackles, Rosa has 6 and Tyson 4.
Finally, carrying the team has nothing to do with set shots for goal there is no pressure and 30 secs to kick the darn thing- 1.1.OOTF (Out On The Full)
People need to take the blinkers off when analysing Cotch a bit - yes great player. But he has some faults - intensity is not one of them.
On field leadership - not yet there. Where are the rest of the leadership group though? Chapling was kicking it to the oppostion from 15 metres - that was stellar.
Firstly, let's not compare Cotchin to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones is by no means a horrible player but he isn't in the same league as Cotch. Gary Ablett's isn't much higher at 64%. You mentioned Stevie J and Dayne Beams as having low DE% but I don't know about you but I'm sure any coach in the AFL would love to have either Ablett or Stevie J in their team regardless of DE%. If we are to look at round 3 in isolation because that was when RFC had to go Deledio-less. Cotchin's DE% was 67.9%. Ablett was 60.5%, Swan was 56.5%. Ablett put in a 3 brownlow vote performance and Swan battled in a losing side.
I also strongly disagree with no pressure from a set shot. How many times do you see Deledio and Martin bang it through the big sticks from outside of 50 but they pull it too far to the left/right when having a set shot?
I'm not saying Cotchin shouldn't strive to improve his kicking/handballing. I'm sure all footballers strive for this. What I'm saying is a player's DE% is going to drop when the team is losing and in Cotchin's case, when the entire team is getting hammered and you have to carry everybody you're not going to have an out of this world DE% (Issac Smith had 83% during the demolition of Freo). I'm a firm believer his DE% will rise if everyone else in the midfield put in some effort and not expecting Cotchin to do it all.
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Article on Cotch on wide world of sport webpage
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http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8826752
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Cotchin's stats this year compared to the rest of the afl elite are poor.
See http://www.afl.com.au/stats
His disposal efficiency out of the top 20 possession getters in the league is ranked only 17th - 60.4% DE, Stevie J 60.2%, Beams 57.3% and Priddis 52.5%
As for the comment he is carrying his team - Nathan Jones 67.8% and he is a man who is carrying his team.
Incidentall, Watson DE is 85.1%, Selwood is 78.7%
Clangers - he is equal first with 15 ie. 5 per game. Ablett is ranked the same.
Tackles - he is ranked 18th with 7 tackles, Rosa has 6 and Tyson 4.
Finally, carrying the team has nothing to do with set shots for goal there is no pressure and 30 secs to kick the darn thing- 1.1.OOTF (Out On The Full)
People need to take the blinkers off when analysing Cotch a bit - yes great player. But he has some faults - intensity is not one of them.
On field leadership - not yet there. Where are the rest of the leadership group though? Chapling was kicking it to the oppostion from 15 metres - that was stellar.
Nobody said he was perfect but you really need to look elsewhere for where the problems are...and to a point I do believe he is carrying the team right now.
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Just another Dr comment
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I am glad we didn't see another dinky kick and 30 possession game from Cotch this week
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He must of had fun getting mugged all night while the umpire watched
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Crap since 2012. Trade for 2 GWS midfieldersv
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Need to scrap the jiz of his back
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Pretty well tagged again. Didn't look elite against an elite team.
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He's no good, his disposal is terrible. Trade to GWS for 2 homesick kids. RFC needs to get back some GR style kahoonies
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Cotchin baggers = clueless twats.
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Will develop back problems from carrying the team
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Cotchin baggers = clueless twats.
and you're accepting mediocrity by glorifying the turnover king
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Cotchin baggers = clueless twats.
Cotch is a gun but he's been stopped twice within the last 3 weeks. Obviously they target him heavily but that does not excuse his unforced errors.
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His kicking technique for an elite player is quite poor, the way he chips under the ball simply puts more revolutions on the ball which in turn makes it hang in the air longer, hence they regularly get intercepted. Actually notice many of our longer kick players going unnaturally short, seems to be a contagious disease at present.
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Playing injured. We have a history of running our best players into the ground, rather than resting them, in some desperate and deluded attempt to pinch a win that will take the pressure of the Club.
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I'm sure we can break him
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Saw him being grappled by Langford while waiting for the centre bounce.
Where was a Richmond teammate to come in between the two of them and bump the junior hawk?
Have they forgotten everything about blocking and protecting one another?
Sheeeeeeshhhhhh!
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Saw him being grappled by Langford while waiting for the centre bounce.
Where was a Richmond teammate to come in between the two of them and bump the junior hawk?
Have they forgotten everything about blocking and protecting one another?
Sheeeeeeshhhhhh!
Not part of the current game plan
If it doesn't involve stopping, propping, chipping sideways then we don't do it
Get with the game plan :thumbsup
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Saw him being grappled by Langford while waiting for the centre bounce.
Where was a Richmond teammate to come in between the two of them and bump the junior hawk?
Have they forgotten everything about blocking and protecting one another?
Sheeeeeeshhhhhh!
Not part of the current game plan
If it doesn't involve stopping, propping, chipping sideways then we don't do it
Get with the game plan :thumbsup
Of course! I almost forgot about the game plan we are not meant to be playing!
:banghead :banghead :banghead
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Saw him being grappled by Langford while waiting for the centre bounce.
Where was a Richmond teammate to come in between the two of them and bump the junior hawk?
Have they forgotten everything about blocking and protecting one another?
Sheeeeeeshhhhhh!
Not part of the current game plan
If it doesn't involve stopping, propping, chipping sideways then we don't do it
Get with the game plan :thumbsup
Don't forget going backwards. :thumbsup
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Saw him being grappled by Langford while waiting for the centre bounce.
Where was a Richmond teammate to come in between the two of them and bump the junior hawk?
Have they forgotten everything about blocking and protecting one another?
Sheeeeeeshhhhhh!
These anklet wearing Pansy's don't know what it means to fight for your captain.
They're all too busy watching themselves on the big screen.
These blokes are soft and every team knows it.
Who let's a teenager hassle their captain and not do anything?
Who let's Gibson smash into a teamate late and allows him to keep standing?
The tigerettes do.
They make me sick. :banghead
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Who let's Gibson smash into a teamate late and allows him to keep standing?
The tigerettes do.
They make me sick. :banghead
:clapping
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If we are playing the kid hurt its pee poor form
Yet another short term supposed gain with no regard to the clubs best interest long term.
Dimma job is more important than cotch longevity
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Playing injured. We have a history of running our best players into the ground, rather than resting them, in some desperate and deluded attempt to pinch a win that will take the pressure of the Club.
And we keep losing anyway because he's contributing for the other team. Been absolutely woeful.
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Saw him being grappled by Langford while waiting for the centre bounce.
Where was a Richmond teammate to come in between the two of them and bump the junior hawk?
Have they forgotten everything about blocking and protecting one another?
Sheeeeeeshhhhhh!
Not part of the current game plan
If it doesn't involve stopping, propping, chipping sideways then we don't do it
Get with the game plan :thumbsup
Don't forget handballing, unsuccessfully, over the top of the man on the mark, whilst moving backwards, and 15 meters out from the opposition goals.
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Considering the number of players we've played injured over the last couple of years to hear Cotchin is playing injured really isn't a great "shock horror" revelation
Stock standard at Tigerland
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Considering the number of players we've played injured over the last couple of years to hear Cotchin is playing injured really isn't a great "shock horror" revelation
Stock standard at Tigerland
As long as Dimma gets his extension. Oh wait... :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Considering the number of players we've played injured over the last couple of years to hear Cotchin is playing injured really isn't a great "shock horror" revelation
Stock standard at Tigerland
You would have thought the few a graders we have we would try take care of
Then again dimma wants us to come 11th instead of 14th - at all costa
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cotchin may try his guts out but he is in the worst 3 kicks in or team now, its amazing how his skill level has dropped ... he is not a leader and never should have been captain..
jack and lids should have been co captains
deledio and jack is probably the only players in the team who have never caught tigeritis
dimma is delusional and losy his right hand man in leppa... dimma is a hack of a coach
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cotchin may try his guts out but he is in the worst 3 kicks in or team now, its amazing how his skill level has dropped ... he is not a leader and never should have been captain..
BS
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BOG last week. Top 5 in coaches votes for the year. Tagged every game mercilessly with no help.
One bad game = hack.
Get a grip stuffwits. Kid is a champ and is still learning. Unlike Sellwood, Cotch didn't have a star studded midfield to come in to. He's basically had to carry us since his debut.
Just needs some more help and maybe a stuffing rest.
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BOG last week. Top 5 in coaches votes for the year. Tagged every game mercilessly with no help.
One bad game = hack.
Get a grip stuffwits. Kid is a champ and is still learning. Unlike Sellwood, Cotch didn't have a star studded midfield to come in to. He's basically had to carry us since his debut.
Just needs some more help and maybe a stuffing rest.
:clapping Exactly
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BOG last week. Top 5 in coaches votes for the year. Tagged every game mercilessly with no help.
One bad game = hack.
Get a grip stuffwits. Kid is a champ and is still learning. Unlike Sellwood, Cotch didn't have a star studded midfield to come in to. He's basically had to carry us since his debut.
Just needs some more help and maybe a stuffing rest.
Finally some stuffing sanity. stuff me drunk, some of the utter shyte in this thread beggars belief ...clearly there are many here that either don't actually watch our games, understand football or most likely both. Probably too busy checking their I-amatwatphones every five stuffing seconds during matches.
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BOG last week. Top 5 in coaches votes for the year. Tagged every game mercilessly with no help.
One bad game = hack.
Get a grip stuffwits. Kid is a champ and is still learning. Unlike Sellwood, Cotch didn't have a star studded midfield to come in to. He's basically had to carry us since his debut.
Just needs some more help and maybe a stuffing rest.
Finally some stuffing sanity. stuff me drunk, some of the utter shyte in this thread beggars belief ...clearly there are many here that either don't actually watch our games, understand football or most likely both. Probably too busy checking their I-amatwatphones every five stuffing seconds during matches.
Its disgusting and embarrassing
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cotchin may try his guts out but he is in the worst 3 kicks in or team now, its amazing how his skill level has dropped ... he is not a leader and never should have been captain..
BS
yep, some people have no idea and people forget how bad Jobe was in his early years.
Bloody hell the lad tries his guts out with no help from any other players. I would say other leaders if we actually had any more than him.
I really feel for him having to stand next to those faggots
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Cotchin has been going missing all year, particularly when the going gets tough. If the captain of your football club is incapable of shaking the tag of a kid, then Richmond fans have every right to call him out on it.
He does not work nearly hard enough. He spends more time playing for free kicks than going to the footy. His disposal and goal kicking is sub par and as an on-field leader of this football club, he has been found wanting this year.
i like Cotchin as an individual and a player, but he needs to pull his finger out and stop being a big baby expecting the football to be handed to him on a silver platter. He gives up way to easy.
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Cotchin has been going missing all year, particularly when the going gets tough. If the captain of your football club is incapable of shaking the tag of a kid, then Richmond fans have every right to call him out on it.
He does not work nearly hard enough. He spends more time playing for free kicks than going to the footy. His disposal and goal kicking is sub par and as an on-field leader of this football club, he has been found wanting this year.
i like Cotchin as an individual and a player, but he needs to pull his finger out and stop being a big baby expecting the football to be handed to him on a silver platter. He gives up way to easy.
"doesn't work hard enough" - are you high? stuff me heard it all now....or perhaps you think should he step up and do the work of 6 players as opposed to only doing the work of 3 that he currently does? "Expects the ball to be handed to him on a silver platter" - you're taking he pee - who's he expecting this silver service from - all the softies who just stand around expecting him to do everything?
Just about the only player who works hard all game, every game. Pretty much responsible for over half our wins since Hardwick has been coach and practically worth 15 percentage points to us on his own.
All the stuffing useless, lazy, unaccountable pootrucks in our side and nupties are bitching about Cotchin - the bloke who's been carrying them all for 4-5 years- because he hasn't put on an enough of a show for a couple of matches and he got tagged out once - nevermind he's had half a dozen players swarm all over him every time he goes near it since he was 20. Boggles the mind. All you Cotchin baggers are like our midfield - you just expect him to always get us out of the poo by himself win games single-handedly.
Time to plug yourself back in champ....or better yet just stay unplugged from the internet altogether.
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(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/justin-bieber-cries-in-believe-first-trailer_zps2e489697.jpg)
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Not as funny as "Leave Grigg & Edwards alone". That was gold.
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I want Cotchin out of this club. Gone forever, never to return. Not because I agree with his detractors, but because I am sick of seeing the champions name dragged through the mud. He's a champ this kid. What is he, 23? I can't remember how many times he's put his useless teammates on his back and carried them over the line for a win. He rocks up injured every week and gives us nonstop effort and usually plays a very good game of football with little to no help. The lack of support he gets from his teammates is a disgrace. However, the biggest disgrace are the pathetic "supporters" who poo on his efforts. Makes me sad to have such a brilliant player constantly being shat on
Trade him. Delist him actually. Let him go to the club of his choice.
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I can't remember either because I don't remember the last time :shh
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Round 2 was a long time ago I guess.
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Round 2 was a long time ago I guess.
Didn't show the replay on his phone.....
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No AFL tv app on my Playstation :-\
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I want Cotchin out of this club. Gone forever, never to return. Not because I agree with his detractors, but because I am sick of seeing the champions name dragged through the mud. He's a champ this kid. What is he, 23? I can't remember how many times he's put his useless teammates on his back and carried them over the line for a win. He rocks up injured every week and gives us nonstop effort and usually plays a very good game of football with little to no help. The lack of support he gets from his teammates is a disgrace. However, the biggest disgrace are the pathetic "supporters" who poo on his efforts. Makes me sad to have such a brilliant player constantly being shat on
Trade him. Delist him actually. Let him go to the club of his choice.
This attitude is ridiculous
Fook to Trent. He is a champion but so was Richo and cogs and lids.
If I have to suffer cotchin can suffer too.
I am sure jack and lids and cotch would be amazing at other clubs - WGAF. Its not a charity ffs
maybe in the next life time
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Yeah Rick is a champ. The other 2 aren't.
Chimp has given us enough. Doesn't deserve the hate.
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Cotchin at this stage will not be remembered in a hundred years as vastly superior to deledio
Anyway - this let the best players go flourish elsewhere bullocks is stupid.
I fear you will cut your wrists
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No AFL tv app on my Playstation :-\
It's that game we play here in Australia mainly outdoors on grass with the oval ball and teams that still have predominately white players on their rosters...though I can see how, from afar, the sleeveless guernseys could be confused with singlets....however with Terry Wallace no longer coaching us it shouldn't be as difficult to tell the difference....
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Cotchin at this stage will not be remembered in a hundred years as vastly superior to deledio
Anyway - this let the best players go flourish elsewhere bullocks is stupid.
I fear you will cut your wrists
Why won't he? Cotchin is head an shoulders above Deledio and any other player at Richmond. Captain (our first finals captain since Cambo) 2 B&Fs, AA, runner up in Brownlow and won the AFL Coaches award. He's achieved all that by 23. Deledio is good and we miss him but not on Chimps level. Pull ya head in
Don't be an idiot, mate. I know it's hard for you but try.
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And how is Sandra Bullock mate? She's hot
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No AFL tv app on my Playstation :-\
It's that game we play here in Australia mainly outdoors on grass with the oval ball and teams that still have predominately white players on their rosters...though I can see how, from afar, the sleeveless guernseys could be confused with singlets....however with Terry Wallace no longer coaching us it shouldn't be as difficult to tell the difference....
Good one but I'm not a big bball fan :thumbsup Should have said a stick and skates followed by stops and helmets and I would have paid it :clapping
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Deledio's main value is when he's "on" his field kicking & pace is invaluable and when he's "off" , it's usually because he's keeping an opposition player occupied, which is one less to harrass Cotchin & Martin. His poor games are sometimes as valuable as his good ones for this reason.
He hasn't really been a genuine matchwinner since 2008 though.
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No AFL tv app on my Playstation :-\
It's that game we play here in Australia mainly outdoors on grass with the oval ball and teams that still have predominately white players on their rosters...though I can see how, from afar, the sleeveless guernseys could be confused with singlets....however with Terry Wallace no longer coaching us it shouldn't be as difficult to tell the difference....
Good one but I'm not a big bball fan :thumbsup Should have said a stick and skates followed by stops and helmets and I would have paid it :clapping
Yeah but an Ice Hockey analogy would've worked better if this was an NRL or Soccer forum.....and then I would probably have just used a Gridiron analogy instead....
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Fair call. Appreciate the effort then :thumbsup
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Stupidity is flourishing, I see...
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Cotchin at this stage will not be remembered in a hundred years as vastly superior to deledio
Anyway - this let the best players go flourish elsewhere bullocks is stupid.
I fear you will cut your wrists
Why won't he? Cotchin is head an shoulders above Deledio and any other player at Richmond. Captain (our first finals captain since Cambo) 2 B&Fs, AA, runner up in Brownlow and won the AFL Coaches award. He's achieved all that by 23. Deledio is good and we miss him but not on Chimps level. Pull ya head in
Don't be an idiot, mate. I know it's hard for you but try.
:cheers
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Cotchin is head an shoulders above Deledio and any other player at Richmond.
Agree. Still doesn't excuse him chucking it on the boot when under no pressure.
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Cotchin at this stage will not be remembered in a hundred years as vastly superior to deledio
Anyway - this let the best players go flourish elsewhere bullocks is stupid.
I fear you will cut your wrists
Why won't he? Cotchin is head an shoulders above Deledio and any other player at Richmond. Captain (our first finals captain since Cambo) 2 B&Fs, AA, runner up in Brownlow and won the AFL Coaches award. He's achieved all that by 23. Deledio is good and we miss him but not on Chimps level. Pull ya head in
Don't be an idiot, mate. I know it's hard for you but try.
:cheers
rubbish
lids kicks better bigger stronger faster
very few things cotchin got him covered in
on an open market IPL style Deledio would command more $$ due to more weapons
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Lid's legend grows the longer he's missing.
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Cotchin at this stage will not be remembered in a hundred years as vastly superior to deledio
Anyway - this let the best players go flourish elsewhere bullocks is stupid.
I fear you will cut your wrists
Why won't he? Cotchin is head an shoulders above Deledio and any other player at Richmond. Captain (our first finals captain since Cambo) 2 B&Fs, AA, runner up in Brownlow and won the AFL Coaches award. He's achieved all that by 23. Deledio is good and we miss him but not on Chimps level. Pull ya head in
Don't be an idiot, mate. I know it's hard for you but try.
:cheers
rubbish
lids kicks better bigger stronger faster
very few things cotchin got him covered in
on an open market IPL style Deledio would command more $$ due to more weapons
If you lined em up against the wall like the school yard cotch would be picked before Lids by every club. Problem is Lids doesn't utilise his skills and talent like he could/should. On talent and skillset he should be a top 5 player in the comp at least, HAS IT ALL, but one thing cotchin has over Lids in bucketloads is desire to win the ball and do something at all costs. Lids coasts, cotch demands.
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On talent and skills cotch should be top 5
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Lets just thank Jeebus we have em both...... :pray
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Lid's legend grows the longer he's missing.
Lol u got that right
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Lid's legend grows the longer he's missing.
Lol u got that right
bang
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Cotchin interviewed by Richo on 'Roar Vision' ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-12/cotchin-and-richo-assess-tigers-start
* I feel that I’m still winning enough contested footy but I’d love to get a little bit more free-flowing footy on the outside and hopefully hurt some teams on the scoreboard as well. It’s okay to get your 20-25 touches but when you become an elite midfielder, is what you see with the likes of Gary Ablett, who have a two or three possession chain that ends up inside 50, and probably a score assist as well. It probably gets back to work-rate – seeing where the space is to run, accumulating the possessions and making the most of them.
* My efficiency’s been down probably because of the nature of how I’ve been winning the footy. But hopefully I can become a little bit more free-flowing. It helps when your team’s up and about and we’re winning a lot more of the ball than we have.
* You look at the all the good midfielders in the competition, and they kick goals. So again, we want our team – Dusty, Lids, Concs and Jacko - all impacting the scoreboard at some stage in the game and I’ll hopefully be doing the same.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-12/cotchins-space-search-
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* You look at the all the good midfielders in the competition, and they kick goals. So again, we want our team – Dusty, Lids, Concs and Jacko - all impacting the scoreboard at some stage in the game and I’ll hopefully be doing the same.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-12/cotchins-space-search-
Lids does kick goals! 55-60m out even!!!!!!!
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Cotch is who he is.
You can't fabricate anger at people or they'll pick up on it and you'll on only pee them off.
Either he's the right man to be skipper or he's not.
Personally I think Jack is the guy.
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Cotch is who he is.
You can't fabricate anger at people or they'll pick up on it and you'll on only pee them off.
Either he's the right man to be skipper or he's not.
Personally I think Jack is the guy.
Jack has all the right ingredients of the cerebral and the demonstrative, but his tendency to go overboard on the latter might cause problems. Wouldn't be against it though, if he could find the right balance.
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Nah I think Cotch is the man. He will get better, but he needs better leaders around him.
Jack should be in the leadership group though.
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Jack Riewoldt should be Vice-Captain.
Brett Deledio WILL NEVER STAND UP in matches!
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Time to stand up for once when the heat is on....Lids also.
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Doesn't get many frees
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Really really concerned with Trent.
Struggling to impact games, his leadership is being stretched. I love him but I worry the captaincy burden is destroying him. He was 2nd in the brownlow don't forget.
Needs to be reviewed next year. Maybe a dribblers (like Maxwell) can take charge and let Cotchin concentrate on playing
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Really really concerned with Trent.
Struggling to impact games, his leadership is being stretched. I love him but I worry the captaincy burden is destroying him. He was 2nd in the brownlow don't forget.
Needs to be reviewed next year. Maybe a dribblers (like Maxwell) can take charge and let Cotchin concentrate on playing
I think so too. We need a decoy captain. He isn't close to his best and at this rate I don't think he'll reclaim the 2012 form
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Really really concerned with Trent.
Struggling to impact games, his leadership is being stretched. I love him but I worry the captaincy burden is destroying him. He was 2nd in the brownlow don't forget.
Needs to be reviewed next year. Maybe a dribblers (like Maxwell) can take charge and let Cotchin concentrate on playing
I think so too. We need a decoy captain. He isn't close to his best and at this rate I don't think he'll reclaim the 2012 form
Captaining Richmond is different to most clubs, maybe all but Collingwood or an Adelaide or West Coast. Doesn't get any bigger. Don't give me Joel Selwood who carries 15k supporters each year on his shoulders with a brilliant list, football department and structures in place - and compare that with what Cotchin has to burden himself with. Its not the same.
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He wants out! The Hawks are all over him, he is very soft mentally and doesn't work hard enough and sooked up over the open criticism from the group the other week. Jogs along side contests instead of hunting the ball carrier, only interested if he can get the ball himself. Move him on and get something for him
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Swap for Rioli and their first pick
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It would be better if he had one clubman with some balls to go in and show everyone that's its UNACCEPTABLE TO MESS WITH OUR CAPTAIN!!!!
Instead he has to play with a bunch of softies
Problem is the coach has allowed this sissy type of footy to develop into what we continue to see today.
Well done :clapping
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Swap for Rioli and their first pick
Nah Hale, Cheney and their 1st rounder should do the trick. Moneyball rules
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It would be better if he had one clubman with some balls to go in and show everyone that's its UNACCEPTABLE TO MESS WITH OUR CAPTAIN!!!!
Instead he has to play with a bunch of softies.
Problem is the coach has allowed this sissy type of footy to develop into what we continue to see today.
Well done :clapping
That's a cop out, that doesn't stop him from actually trying to defend and hunt the ball carrier. Just as soft as the rest of them, harden up princess Trent
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Are you serious Sugark? Zooks would not be happy with that comments. Been a great player for us. Don't like these theories. He's playing injured FFS. At any other club they'd have him on ice to get him ready for finals. But we need him out there & he is working his arse off !
Gee I would give you one to remember if you ever said that at the footy to me pal! You wouldn't wanna ever come round me mate!
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Each to their own Philip, just keep accepting mediocrity! By the way, you'd better make the first one a good one lol
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It would be a beauty don't worry about. Quick left followed with an uppercut the rib cage. Best light heavyweight of my generation
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Each to their own Philip, just keep accepting mediocrity! By the way, you'd better make the first one a good one lol
hey SugarJ, Zooks is my Cousin.
As a newbie here and as it is common knowledge (look up previous posts) i wont stand by whilst simpletons log on and type tripe about him. Your choice
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Needs to be reviewed next year. Maybe a dribblers (like Maxwell) can take charge and let Cotchin concentrate on playing
Vickery? :shh
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Needs to be reviewed next year. Maybe a dribblers (like Maxwell) can take charge and let Cotchin concentrate on playing
Vickery? :shh
No, I was thinking give it back to Newy and give him a 3 year deal :shh
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Bloke was being held all night. No frees, nobody to protect or help him, and not enough mongrel to smack his opponent in the throat the way Sam Mitchell does.
Best option for captain atm you have to admit. Just not enough compatriots. Needed Jackson tonight to get under the packs with Cotch.
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Needs to be reviewed next year. Maybe a dribblers (like Maxwell) can take charge and let Cotchin concentrate on playing
Vickery? :shh
No, I was thinking give it back to Newy and give him a 3 year deal :shh
What do you think we'll need to give up to get Tambling back? Our second rounder and maybe Vlaustin as a sweetner?
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Played better after he copped a knock and limped off.....tries his guts out all game every game with little support , as people who actually attend games regularly would already know....nothing left to play for this year....rest him or send him in for a clean-up if he needs one before we completely ruin him. Why the stuff destroy our best player just to get to try and get to 10th? If Riewoldt cops an injury....don't keep playing him just for the stuffing Coleman like 2012.....
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He is not the first leader of our great club to go missing time after time when games needs to be won. Unfortunately he is surrounded by others with the same fragile mentality. The sad part is we have no other players who could be captain :banghead
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Wrap him in cotton wool
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Each to their own Philip, just keep accepting mediocrity! By the way, you'd better make the first one a good one lol
hey SugarJ, Zooks is my Cousin.
As a newbie here and as it is common knowledge (look up previous posts) i wont stand by whilst simpletons log on and type tripe about him. Your choice
I looked up previous posts as requested and it appears it's only you that can be a simpleton and post tripe on here? At least I will turn up every week. Have a good day
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Take the captaincy off him and give it to Jako.
It doesn't matter how Jako plays we know he will take his game to a certain point but not further,
free Cotch of the shackles and let Jako take over seeing he has leadership qualities off the ground and is eloquent when he speaks.
Or another left field selection give it to Rance much like Harley role at Geelong.
I'm bereft of answers and hope right now.
If anyone has a better suggestion yep why not. :help
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I think the boy has been carrying an injury...clearly our doctors and training staff are cutting edge at tigerland
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Played better after he copped a knock and limped off.....tries his guts out all game every game with little support , as people who actually attend games regularly would already know....nothing left to play for this year....rest him or send him in for a clean-up if he needs one before we completely ruin him. Why the stuff destroy our best player just to get to try and get to 10th? If Riewoldt cops an injury....don't keep playing him just for the stuffing Coleman like 2012.....
He is carrying an ankle injury. Has been for ages. :banghead Likewise Lids. Both are them are so obviously not feeling right. :banghead :banghead
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Take the captaincy off him and give it to Jako.
It doesn't matter how Jako plays we know he will take his game to a certain point but not further,
free Cotch of the shackles and let Jako take over seeing he has leadership qualities off the ground and is eloquent when he speaks.
Or another left field selection give it to Rance much like Harley role at Geelong.
I'm bereft of answers and hope right now.
If anyone has a better suggestion yep why not. :help
Agree
He ain't a captain
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Played better after he copped a knock and limped off.....tries his guts out all game every game with little support , as people who actually attend games regularly would already know....nothing left to play for this year....rest him or send him in for a clean-up if he needs one before we completely ruin him. Why the stuff destroy our best player just to get to try and get to 10th? If Riewoldt cops an injury....don't keep playing him just for the stuffing Coleman like 2012.....
He is carrying an ankle injury. Has been for ages. :banghead Likewise Lids. Both are them are so obviously not feeling right. :banghead :banghead
For someone carrying an ankle he keeps fronting up to play, same with Lids.
Either send them to rehab or if you cross that white line you are subject to the same criticism as anyone who is 100% fit.
Newman played injured in a final last year and we missed White or Foley as it turned out after Conca went down. IMHO same rule applies if you are inj but cross that white line and don't perform up to standard then you are going to cop it, simple as that. No exceptions.
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How would you know if Zooks is a captain Jack. Didn't see you complaining last year ya flog
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Wrap him in cotton wool
The story of their lives....
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More concerned about his personal form than his captaincy.
2 years ago he looked like being the next Ablett.
Right now he'd be back in the pack.. :-\
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There is a conspiracy theory he should have been rested after the freo injury
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Cotch wearing new wheels tonight according to RFC twitter ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bqj6yEYCMAAIu4a.jpg)
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He gave it his all tonight. Good game from the captain for being solid and composed in defence in the first half.
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1touch in the last quarter
when it counts he goes missing
who cares what he did in the first half
not a captain
sad thing we dont have one
miles is already ahead of cotchin how sad is that
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It's not sad. Miles is class.
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was class tonight
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sad that cotchin has turned to poo
same as jack.... should have nailed that goal
they both go missing when it counts
footy gan get stuffed.... afl is dying
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was class tonight
yep esp in the last quarter when it counted
let me check.... yep 1 possession
class poo head
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Shut up flea. You post absolute rubbish.
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Cam we get rid of Flea please?
He is clearly mentally unwell
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Cam we get rid of Flea please?
He is clearly mentally unwell
Is he factually incorrect?
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Cam we get rid of Flea please?
He is clearly mentally unwell
Is he factually incorrect?
what that cotchin is a class poohead?
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truth hurts
mediocrity that rfc
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Cam we get rid of Flea please?
He is clearly mentally unwell
Is he factually incorrect?
what that cotchin is a class poohead?
No, the quarter to possessions statistical comparison
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1 possession in the 4th qtr :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Keyboard hero.
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:cheers
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1 possession
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Cam we get rid of Flea please?
He is clearly mentally unwell
Is he factually incorrect?
what that cotchin is a class poohead?
No, the quarter to possessions statical comparison
I didn't know we solely judged players on isolated qtrs of football? I thought we judged them over 4 qtrs..
He and Martin were comfortably our 2 best players. You want to look for reasons why we lost, look elsewhere
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1 possession
50 posts and all of them canning our captain - you got us
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1 touch when it counted
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Flea he was in and amongst everything and his tireless work in congestion, in defence along with Martin and Miles catapulted us to a sizable lead. I would rather Cotchin get the ball for 'one possession' than Ellis with 30+.
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fleabag is a troll with an agenda. Probably dwaino using a second account.
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fleabag is a troll with an agenda. Probably a second account of dwaino.
Nah its BJ when the nurses are late with his medication. Nasty nasty nasty.:help
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:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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miles is already ahead of cotchin how sad is that
Based on what?
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fleabag is a troll with an agenda. Probably a second account of dwaino.
Nah its BJ when the nurses are late with his medication. Nasty nasty nasty.:help
:ROTFL
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Martin is a stuffn gun.
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Martin is a stuffn gun.
what he said
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Have to agree Flea is someone taking the pee under another account and his account needs to be deleted
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Cotch plays better with Miles in the team.
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as mentioned on the footy last night, most of his disposals were sideways or they didnt progress us into our forward line much. Its good he found the ball though, hopefully a form lifter.l
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1 touch when it counted
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
54 when it doesn't.
:lol :rollin :lol
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Cotch plays better with Miles in the team.
Agree. Miles, Conca and Foley have reduced some of his inside workload.
Certainly helps to have others capable of winning their own ball in tight.
Thought Trent had close to his best game of the season last night.
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Not just chimp
Grigg for miles and everyone looks better
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Actually I think Flea is just a Blues supporter still dirty that they got Kruezer
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Its not popular but he has a point on Cotchin's last quarters. Been woeful all year. When the game has been there to be won, he totally goes missing, turns the ball over and loses one on ones. Misses easy goals too. I don't know how much of it is his fault or the stupid coach resting him forward in the last quarters. He looks like he could be a good forward, but consistently performs terribly there.
My big knock on Cotchin is how ineffectual his possessions are. At a standard with Ellis. So many chip passes and handballs that barely travel 15m. Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
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Overrated? Perhaps a little on current form. Def not the same player of 2 years ago.
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\Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
One of his first few kicks was a 50m pass that opened the play right up ::)
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Have to agree Flea is someone taking the pee under another account and his account needs to be deleted
They try to
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\Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
One of his first few kicks was a 50m pass that opened the play right up ::)
Stop ruining their rants with facts
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\Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
One of his first few kicks was a 50m pass that opened the play right up ::)
Stop ruining their rants with facts
Soz bro
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Its not popular but he has a point on Cotchin's last quarters. Been woeful all year. When the game has been there to be won, he totally goes missing, turns the ball over and loses one on ones. Misses easy goals too. I don't know how much of it is his fault or the stupid coach resting him forward in the last quarters. He looks like he could be a good forward, but consistently performs terribly there.
My big knock on Cotchin is how ineffectual his possessions are. At a standard with Ellis. So many chip passes and handballs that barely travel 15m. Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
On how many of those occasions he has 15 m kicks, has he ignored a better longer option?
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Cotchin should hire Darren Burgess as his personal trainer :shh
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People should have a look, that many of cotchs kicks are done while he is being absolutely hammered in packs.
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Its not popular but he has a point on Cotchin's last quarters. Been woeful all year. When the game has been there to be won, he totally goes missing, turns the ball over and loses one on ones. Misses easy goals too. I don't know how much of it is his fault or the stupid coach resting him forward in the last quarters. He looks like he could be a good forward, but consistently performs terribly there.
My big knock on Cotchin is how ineffectual his possessions are. At a standard with Ellis. So many chip passes and handballs that barely travel 15m. Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
On how many of those occasions he has 15 m kicks, has he ignored a better longer option?
Practically none because the only decent longer option is JR who is usually double teamed while we have the spud wall of Hampson, Griffiths and Vickery up forward wasting oxygen
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tbh I cant believe we are even having this discussion - this is whats wrong with tiger supporters - they are either ultra forgiving to the max or ridiculously super critical, no middle ground. Learn to pick the right targets you stuffing morons
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Watching the Gold Coast play last night you see what a little bit of speed does for a forward line. A couple of occasions they kicked over the top of the last line of the.defence and the small forward on each occasion out sprinted the defender and scored a goal, we don't get easy goals like that because we are so slow. Desperately need a lightening quick skilful small forward although Hardwick and Co will go for some middle of the road plodder as usual.
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Watching the Gold Coast play last night you see what a little bit of speed does for a forward line. A couple of occasions they kicked over the top of the last line of the.defence and the small forward on each occasion out sprinted the defender and scored a goal, we don't get easy goals like that because we are so slow. Desperately need a lightening quick skilful small forward although Hardwick and Co will go for some middle of the road plodder as usual.
Good point how do we go about getting a monopoly on the draft, we could get rid of a dozen that way
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Watching the Gold Coast play last night you see what a little bit of speed does for a forward line. A couple of occasions they kicked over the top of the last line of the.defence and the small forward on each occasion out sprinted the defender and scored a goal, we don't get easy goals like that because we are so slow. Desperately need a lightening quick skilful small forward although Hardwick and Co will go for some middle of the road plodder as usual.
Good point how do we go about getting a monopoly on the draft, we could get rid of a dozen that way
Maybe we need wind up the RFC and start all over again, might get some extra compo picks.
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\Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
One of his first few kicks was a 50m pass that opened the play right up ::)
Stop ruining their rants with facts
Gerard Healy said Cotchin only averaged 6 meters gained per possession n the first half.
Trent Cotchin recorded a disposal efficiency of 39% when under physical pressure in 2013, the lowest precent of the top 50-ball winners this year. The highest was Brent Harvey at 68%. (AFL prospectus).
Thanks Chuck. :)
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\Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
One of his first few kicks was a 50m pass that opened the play right up ::)
Stop ruining their rants with facts
Gerard Healy said Cotchin only averaged 6 meters gained per possession n the first half.
Trent Cotchin recorded a disposal efficiency of 39% when under physical pressure in 2013, the lowest precent of the top 50-ball winners this year. The highest was Brent Harvey at 68%. (AFL prospectus).
Thanks Chuck. :)
If you watch the games you will see because of other spuds mids he has to be an inside mid and getting possession while being tagged and under the hammer.
Honestly there are some flogs around here
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1q
3 goals
Ten touches at 100%
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1q
3 goals
Ten touches at 100%
Doesn't matter, if he doesn't back it up for the next 3 qtrs it's a failure
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Yep our best players aren't the problem. It's those below them who leave it all up to our best players like Cotch.
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\Be lucky to have gained 50m with his possessions in the first quarter. That's not to say he didn't have a good first quarter last night, he provided a heap of outside run. He is just massively overrated and the captaincy is only highlighting his deficiencies further. Hardwick is doing him no favours.
One of his first few kicks was a 50m pass that opened the play right up ::)
Stop ruining their rants with facts
Gerard Healy said Cotchin only averaged 6 meters gained per possession n the first half.
Trent Cotchin recorded a disposal efficiency of 39% when under physical pressure in 2013, the lowest precent of the top 50-ball winners this year. The highest was Brent Harvey at 68%. (AFL prospectus).
Thanks Chuck. :)
A good time for you to chip in and show your appreciation for our best player
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Cotch won the Ian Stewart Medal for BOG.
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:bow
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Cotch is a class above but he can't carry all our passengers for 4 quarters.
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Can put mind to it and kick more goals than out dud Coleman spaz.
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Cotch is a class above but he can't carry all our passengers for 4 quarters.
He should though - 3 quarters is not enough!
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin focuses on Tigers’ win over his five-goal bag
Glenn McFarlane
Herald-Sun
June 28, 2014 6:42PM
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin kicked his first bag of five goals since his under-18s school days, but it was the performance of his team that brought a bigger smile to his face.
After a winless month of football and being anchored near the bottom of the ladder, Cotchin knew the importance of making a statement against St Kilda at Etihad Stadium.
And he produced a best-afield performance, starting with a superb opening half, which turned out to be a significant in the Tigers’ fourth win of the season, by 44 points against the Saints.
“Hopefully this year is seen as a bit of a stepping stone for us,” Cotchin said. “Hopefully, we can look back on it as a really critical time in this club’s history.
“You would love to be in the hunt for the finals. But what we can do now is make sure we are challenging the opposition every week — no matter who it is.
“The boys were good today, and they deserve a bit of a reward. Hopefully, it is something we can carry into next week.”
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick put the acid on his senior players leading into yesterday’s game, and Cotchin received some external criticism about where he has been getting his possession in recent weeks.
But the 24-year-old skipper responded in the best possible fashion, finishing 31 touches — 10 of them contested — along with five goals, with four of them kicked in the first half.
“I haven’t done that (kicked five goals) since the juniors, probably back in under-18s school footy,” he said.
“When you don’t re-tweak something that is sore for a couple of weeks, you start to feel a little more free, especially when you feel like you are running on top of the ground.
“It is a credit to the boys; the way we are playing is pretty predictable and that makes it is easier.
“The greatest thing from us from an improvement point of view is that we are willing to look in the mirror and start challenging each other first before we start challenging guys below us.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-focuses-on-tigers-win-over-his-fivegoal-bag/story-fndv8t7m-1226970034467
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1q
3 goals
Ten touches at 100%
Doesn't matter, if he doesn't back it up for the next 3 qtrs it's a failure
Exactly look at the opposition today and next week.
I want to see that against Port in a fortnight. Leading from the front and using the footy as he was today. I want standout games against elite sides. That's what ultimately matters.
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cotchin is a fraud.. his 5 goal stats are a joke too, he owes his team mates esp jack and sheds for being very unselfish
cotchin cost us goals also
wow he had 30 touches v the aints ... lets give him a pay rise
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cotchin is a fraud.. his 5 goal stats are a joke too, he owes his team mates esp jack and sheds for being very unselfish
cotchin cost us goals also
wow he had 30 touches v the aints ... lets give him a pay rise
It's better than him playing poorly against the aints! :whistle
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cotchin is a fraud.. his 5 goal stats are a joke too, he owes his team mates esp jack and sheds for being very unselfish
cotchin cost us goals also
wow he had 30 touches v the aints ... lets give him a pay rise
So regardless of how he plays vs the lower teams he can't win and is a fraud, the only fraud around here is you and the other Tosser unplugged
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So regardless of how he plays vs the lower teams he can't win and is a fraud, the only fraud around here is you and the other Tosser unplugged
Your showing the absence in the quality of your character Chuck. He beat Weller. Funny stuff. Where were the 5 goals in the preceding 10 games when they actually meant something? Season full of examples vrs wooden spoon game. :)
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Tbh Shelton was getting a lot of run out of the back line in 2q Cotchin direct opposition
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if the tigers had any brains and balls they would trade cotchin to get real quality
not some impostor who kicks gifted goals v the aints and thinks he is a hero
can tell you now, the chimp is not popular at punt rd, his head is too big for the place
deledios game was much better than the chimps as was jacks!!
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There are wankers on here that bag deledio for not breaking a game apart.
He doesn't need to. His underrated professional manner of going about things is class. I'm sure in a strongerside he would show more flair. But given the crapness of the team, he iis required tondo the grunt work.
Lids > chimp.
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if the tigers had any brains and balls they would trade cotchin to get real quality
not some impostor who kicks gifted goals v the aints and thinks he is a hero
can tell you now, the chimp is not popular at punt rd, his head is too big for the place
deledios game was much better than the chimps as was jacks!!
His popularity didn't seem a problem last year when we won 15 games... :whistle
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Pack of girls
Wgaf who is friends with who
Sposed to be professional ffs
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Pack of girls
Wgaf who is friends with who
Sposed to be professional ffs
heard jimmy bartel mention stevie j and chappy were never the closest of friends
Bang!!! 3 flags later
Flea you have no idea mate. Your not Blair Hartley by any chance?
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if the tigers had any brains and balls they would trade cotchin to get real quality
not some impostor who kicks gifted goals v the aints and thinks he is a hero
can tell you now, the chimp is not popular at punt rd, his head is too big for the place
deledios game was much better than the chimps as was jacks!!
lol . nice troll job nuffy :thumbsup
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if the tigers had any brains and balls they would trade cotchin to get real quality
not some impostor who kicks gifted goals v the aints and thinks he is a hero
can tell you now, the chimp is not popular at punt rd, his head is too big for the place
deledios game was much better than the chimps as was jacks!!
Lids > chimp.
They're here all week folks - try the veal!
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Youbreckon rating lids ahead of Cotchinis an outlandish comment do you? Dumbass?
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Youbreckon rating lids ahead of Cotchinis an outlandish comment do you?
Yes.
Dumbass?
Yes you are.
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So wise comrade
U go to every afl coach outside Mr Damien hardwick "you want chimp or lids on your list for 2015"
Fifty percent plus going to pick Trent is it? I'llbe here all week. Tip the waitress
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100% of them would pick Cotchin.
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Chimp > Lids
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cotchin is a fraud.. his 5 goal stats are a joke too, he owes his team mates esp jack and sheds for being very unselfish
cotchin cost us goals also
wow he had 30 touches v the aints ... lets give him a pay rise
Ban this idiot :lol
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrgnQtICUAMtXeo.jpg)
https://twitter.com/AFL
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wow, there are some sad folks on the internet.
Got a captain that is 24, hard as nails and all class, and people still want to hang it on him. Unbelievable and flat out sad.
oh and he is a better player than Lids. More heart too. That's why he was made captain. If other players have a problem with Cotch than they need to go, because he is a winner.
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wow, there are some sad folks on the internet.
Got a captain that is 24, hard as nails and all class, and people still want to hang it on him. Unbelievable and flat out sad.
oh and he is a better player than Lids. More heart too. That's why he was made captain. If other players have a problem with Cotch than they need to go, because he is a winner.
X 2 well said Big Willy :clapping
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wow, there are some sad folks on the internet.
Got a captain that is 24, hard as nails and all class, and people still want to hang it on him. Unbelievable and flat out sad.
oh and he is a better player than Lids. More heart too. That's why he was made captain. If other players have a problem with Cotch than they need to go, because he is a winner.
X 2 well said Big Willy :clapping
well said William, fully agree
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Mcg specialist
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wow, there are some sad folks on the internet.
Got a captain that is 24, hard as nails and all class, and people still want to hang it on him. Unbelievable and flat out sad.
oh and he is a better player than Lids. More heart too. That's why he was made captain. If other players have a problem with Cotch than they need to go, because he is a winner.
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/dik_wnOE4dk/hqdefault.jpg)
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wow, there are some sad folks on the internet.
Got a captain that is 24, hard as nails and all class, and people still want to hang it on him. Unbelievable and flat out sad.
oh and he is a better player than Lids. More heart too. That's why he was made captain. If other players have a problem with Cotch than they need to go, because he is a winner.
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/dik_wnOE4dk/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://www.gutsofaburglar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/cant-handle.jpg)
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It'd only that flea and one other who troll cotchin.
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Back to his little dinky 10m kicks that go straight to the opposition best today.
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Back to his little dinky 10m kicks that go straight to the opposition best today.
With 1-2 metre handballs to blokes getting bear hugged, not a great day for Cotch and a number of others
Seems like there was some sort of competition on today, who'd get to 40 possessions first, didn't matter of the quality just seemed to be about quantity ;D
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Back to his little dinky 10m kicks that go straight to the opposition best today.
With 1-2 metre handballs to blokes getting bear hugged, not a great day for Cotch and a number of others
Seems like there was some sort of competition on today, who'd get to 40 possessions first, didn't matter of the quality just seemed to be about quantity ;D
Yeah and with all those blokes he had in the clear thanks to our awesome shepherding.....oh wait....
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Back to his little dinky 10m kicks that go straight to the opposition best today.
With 1-2 metre handballs to blokes getting bear hugged, not a great day for Cotch and a number of others
Seems like there was some sort of competition on today, who'd get to 40 possessions first, didn't matter of the quality just seemed to be about quantity ;D
Yeah and with all those blokes he had in the clear thanks to our awesome shepherding.....oh wait....
Yep, as I said wasn't a good day for a lot of them today. Our defensive pressure has been practically non-existent all year. Just another reason why we are in the mess we find ourselves in
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VIDEO: Cotch's 'Goal of the Year' contender ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-25/round-18-cotchin-goal-of-the-year-contender
:bow
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poo captain
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Still a kid. Give him couple years
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Glad those two peanuts have stopped posting in this thread
BTW how good was Cotchs clearance in the third quarter (I think)
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How did he get five tackles only? At one stage he lauded about five takes in 45 second s
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The bloke will go down as tiger royalty. Cherish him my friends.
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How did he get five tackles only? At one stage he lauded about five takes in 45 second s
Tackles only get counted as official stats when it forces a stoppage/free kick. Hence why you see Heppell credited with a fair few tackles when in actual fact hes just wrapping up the bloke on the bottom of the pack = high tackle stats.
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The Cotch haters been very quiet lately, wonder what they thought of that goal
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The Cotch haters been very quiet lately, wonder what they thought of that goal
I'm hoping he turns it over or something to beat him again :clapping
But seriously the Chimpness has been great lately, getting back to 2012 :gotigers
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Free kick against him for stuffing horse shyte
Go to vic kick and teach kids you must not attack the ball if someone's legs r
In the vinciniym
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What a game from the skipper. Mr Perpetual Motion!
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What a game from the skipper. Mr Perpetual Motion!
He definitely wanted it and led the team accordingly.
Is a deadset champion player.
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What a game from the skipper. Mr Perpetual Motion!
He definitely wanted it and led the team accordingly.
Is a deadset champion player.
Leadership in the last and was a significant reason why we turned the tide when momentum was with the Crows. I reiterate, Leadership. Captains game BOG for mine was huge all game but especially in the last. :thumbsup
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Leadership in the last and was a significant reason why we turned the tide when momentum was with the Crows. I reiterate, Leadership. Captains game BOG for mine was huge all game but especially in the last. :thumbsup
Nail on head :thumbsup
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Yep, I asked the question early in the last and they answered it.
Perhaps all the stuff coming out of the club lately hasn't been rubbish.
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He was never going to accept losing. The new Richmond? :shh
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He is Richmond
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Cotch is a class above as shown by that roving goal ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-16/round-21-cotchin-rove-and-goal
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Better than knights Campbell brodick etc
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Cotch is a class above as shown by that roving goal ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-16/round-21-cotchin-rove-and-goal
Absolute brilliance
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Cotch is a class above as shown by that roving goal ...
Absolute brilliance
(http://i.imgur.com/48JkZIl.gif)
:bow
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Growing as a leader!
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Cotch is a class above as shown by that roving goal ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-16/round-21-cotchin-rove-and-goal
Absolute brilliance
Ablettesque
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Fap Fap Fap.
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We are very lucky to be watching the little champ run around in a Richmond jumper
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Pretty poor leadership on the weekend IMO
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Richmond’s Trent Cotchin could face dilemma with baby due in finals period
Herald-Sun
September 01, 2014
SEPTEMBER expectations have doubled for Richmond captain Trent Cotchin.
Cotchin and his wife Brooke could be faced with a dilemma with the couple’s little Tiger cub due late this month.
Saturday’s cliffhanger win over Sydney might almost have been enough to bring on early labour.
It’s not known what the plans are if there is a time clash between a Tigers final and the hospital.
Cotchin yesterday laughed at questions about what his plans might be should there be a timetable clash.
“I’ll get to that when hopefully it eventuates,” Cotchin said.
The 24-year-old married his long-time sweetheart in December.
Richmond players continued their long march to glory with a gentle stroll around MCG parklands yesterday.
But the group was well aware the next week will be no walk in the park.
Consistency in training and attitude is what the leadership team has asked of them to ensure yesterday’s stroll was not the last time they will be close-up to the ’G this year.
There was a grin on their faces as they rounded the stadium through Yarra Park but the players were keeping a lid on any hype that an at-times miserable season could have a fairytale finish.
“You ride the wave of the win. But we have a job to do,” Cotchin said.
“Now it’s our opportunity to grab it with both hands.
“So you’ve got to absolutely leave no stone unturned and give it everything you’ve got.”
The team made a low-key return to Punt Road Oval yesterday for an indoor recovery session and group reflection on their performance the night before.
Forward Jack Riewoldt said the playing group would be enjoying the victory but come today it would be time to “switch on” for the game against Port Adelaide.
He said that after the early-season 3-10 record he was “most proud” for the club’s supporters and thanked the fans who stuck by them.
“They probably didn’t see the light at the end of the tunnel,” Riewoldt said.
“Without their support we wouldn’t be where we are now.”
Cotchin said the focus would be to keep everything “as normal as possible”.
“Not a lot has changed for us in the last three months in regards to our training, our attitude,” he said.
“(We’re) trying not to change too much.
“We’ve got to make sure that what we’ve been doing in the past two, three months is exactly how we carry into a game against a quality opposition.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/richmonds-trent-cotchin-could-face-dilemma-with-baby-due-in-finals-period/story-fnii5sms-1227043158573
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Excellent - Hopefully a boy. F/S selection here we come.
Now we just need Richo to hurry the F up and get his Mrs pregnant...
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Good player, tries hard, probably a nice guy too. Brave as well.
But just not tough enough to be captain IMO. Captain needs to be physical an influential a la Selwood.
Kid needs some bigger bodies around him too.
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He just wasn't in it today and could not get involved, not even when moved forward. But like every other player on the day he was soundly beaten.
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Tried hard but was well held by Cornes. One of the few who stood up in the second half of the EF last year - so still remains one of the few who's actually stood up in a final.
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The corrupt umpires don't protect Cotchin like they do Selwood, Judd, Watson.
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Champion players don't need protection though. They get involved regardless. Either through workrate or physicality etc.
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Had a stinker, probably because he chose the wrong direction after the coin toss and felt like a idiot.
But he's a champ for me but probably won't be a bonafide champ with the rest of the comp until he consistently produces in finals footy. Unfortunately its so hard for us just to make it.
Hopefully we recruit and develop some hard arse midfielders that aren't soft as butter and will offer some protection to him as he ain't getting any protection currently from his teamates
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Had a stinker, probably because he chose the wrong direction after the coin toss and felt like a idiot.
But he's a champ for me but probably won't be a bonafide champ with the rest of the comp until he consistently produces in finals footy. Unfortunately its so hard for us just to make it.
Hopefully we recruit and develop some hard arse midfielders that aren't soft as butter and will offer some protection to him as he ain't getting any protection currently from his teamates
The Grigganator excluded
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Cotch's 2014 ....
* Youngest triple Best and Fairest winner in Richmond’s history at 24 years & 5 months.
* Only the ninth Tiger player to win three B&Fs. The other eight were Dyer (6), Bartlett (5), Wright (4), Campbell (4), Bill Morris (3), Branton (3), Crowe (3) & Raines (3).
* Played all 23 games in season 2014, averaging 26 disposals per match.
* Ranked No. 2 at Tigerland for total disposals (597).
* Ranked No. 1 at the Club for contested possessions (265)
* Ranked No. 1 for clearances (122)
* Ranked No. 1 for centre clearances (52)
* Ranked No. 3 for goal assists (13).
* Kicked 18 goals in 2014.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-30/cotchins-jack-dyer-medal-treble
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Wonder how many pages the Cheats forum thread on "we could have had Cotch" is.
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Locked in that first round compo pick next year.
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Locked in that first round compo pick next year.
As if the AFL won't scrap compo picks before we get a chance to reap the rewards. Malthouse already been nudged to start the campaign...expect Eddie & others to join the chorus soon....
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Locked in that first round compo pick next year.
As if the AFL won't scrap compo picks before we get a chance to reap the rewards. Malthouse already been nudged to start the campaign...expect Eddie & others to join the chorus soon....
I've been against them all along. But you're probably right in that when it will be our turn they will be scrapped and we will get shafted yet again.
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As per usual
Screwed over time after time.
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Just heard a pearler :shh
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Just heard a pearler :shh
do share
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send it
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Just tell us.
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It's not his real hair. It is actually a Bieber toupèe.
Sca sca scandalous. :shh
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Maybe he'll come round and tell you himself :huh
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Maybe he'll come round and tell you himself :huh
Reckon he would beat the crap out of some of the fools on here if he ever met them
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Maybe chunky but not quite the way you think!
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Cotch is the 4th most inexperienced captain in the league.
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Presuming there is little other change, only Greater Western Sydney, Melbourne and Richmond (Trent Cotchin) will start 2015 with captains who have played fewer than 150 games.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-09/clubs-ponder-next-captains
Games played by AFL club captains
Pavlich (Freo) 313
Riewoldt (St K) 281
Glass (WCE) 270
Ablett (GC) 268
Hodge (Haw) 250
McVeigh (Syd) 244
Pendlebury (Coll) 192
Watson (Ess) 188
Adcock (Bris) 185
Selwood (Geel) 184
Murphy (Carl) 185
Van Berlo (Adel) 182
Jones (Melb) 179
Swallow (North) 164
Jack (Syd) 163
Boak (Port) 155
Cotchin (Rich) 131
Ward (GWS) 121
Grimes (Melb) 86
Davis (GWS) 64
nb. Bulldogs captain N/A.
http://afltables.com/
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Plenty of time to get those figures up, hope he signs soon.
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Chaplin talking about Cotchin and his leadership:
“I think our skipper’s led by example,” Chaplin told SEN.
“He’s improved his fitness in that regard, but he’s demanding a lot of the other guys, and that’s what we asked of him.
“So he’s been fantastic this year . . . he’s had a big pre-season.”
Full article http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-06/cotchin-shows-the-way
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Thought glass retired?
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin misses training with hamstring soreness
Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
February 25, 2015 5:43PM
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin missed training today with minor hamstring soreness.
The Tigers say the issue is not serious and expect him to play in the second or third week of the NAB Challenge.
Cotchin was among a number of senior Tigers who were not slated to play in the club’s opening match on Saturday.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-misses-training-with-hamstring-soreness/story-fndv8t7m-1227238923222
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Word is he will miss at least half the season and RFC are down playing it so as to not to hurt membership sales
Bottom four finish coming up
Heard it from a man crossing the street
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Word is he will miss at least half the season and RFC are down playing it so as to not to hurt membership sales
Bottom four finish coming up
Heard it from a man crossing the street
I don't believe you as there is no :shh to back up your lie story.
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i suppose we could say goodbye to our one win for this season then
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Heard it from a man crossing the street
Connors on his way to Northcote Charcoal Chicken?
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“Trent has completed an excellent pre-season overall, and, like all our players, it’s about managing their workloads if they are managing some soreness,” said Richmond General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson.
“Our focus is to get our players ready to play in the early part of the season, and in Trent’s case, we’re confident he will get some game time in the pre-season challenge, and be ready for Round 1.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-25/cotchins-training-loads-monitored
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I smell a cover up ...This reeks of Nathan Brown breaking his leg - Cotch will never be the same player again.
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Lazy. Soft.
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Will announce his retirement by the mid-season break.
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"'Dusty' (Martin) went through a similar thing about three weeks ago," Hardwick said of Cotchin's complaint.
"At this time of year everyone's pushing the envelope with their players, trying to get them incredibly fit. He'll make his way into the side later in the NAB (Challenge) and (we're) looking forward to him having another great season as captain."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-26/rance-still-a-chance-hardwick#sthash.IBzU2ngF.dpuf
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I hope players read this and hate my guts and take that toxic outlook onto the field.
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Word is we're planning to exaggerate injuries to all our best players this year so the tanking for the high picks we need to trade for GWS young guns won't look as obvious....
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Word is he will miss at least half the season and RFC are down playing it so as to not to hurt membership sales
Bottom four finish coming up
Heard it from a man crossing the street
Thank you for your honesty and integrity.
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Hamstring trouble won't keep top Tiger Trent Cotchin from round one
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
March 16, 2015 3:49 PM
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin is confident he will be fit for round one despite the prospect of spending the entire NAB Challenge on the sidelines because of a hamstring complaint.
Cotchin has had his kicking load managed in recent weeks because of hamstring soreness, sitting out the Tigers' first two pre-season games against the Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide.
The 24-year-old remains a chance to face North Melbourne on Saturday, in what will be the Tigers' final competitive hit-out before their blockbuster season-opener against Carlton on April 2.
"Hopefully I give myself a chance of playing this week, but if not I'll set myself up for playing round one and have a real crack there," Cotchin told AFL.com.au.
"It's always nice to have a hit-out and get your touch back, it's more the intensity of the game that you're not used to ... but the way we've been training over the summer has been real intense.
"I've been able to keep my load right up with regards to running. It was more so holding back from kicking that's been the real issue."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-16/cotchin-still-on-track
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Cotch interviewed on the AFL website's 'First Bounce' ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-03-19/cotchin-on-first-bounce
* The pre-season leading up to my little niggle was really consistent, the best I’ve had. I’ve felt the fittest I have been since I’ve been at the footy club. I’ve been able to carry out my running program even though I’ve had a little bit of a hamstring problem because it was more a kicking action, so just minimal kicks.
* We’ve had a really positive pre-season. The process we’ve been going through this pre-season is living in the now and making sure that every session is your absolute best, and everything we’re doing is to make us better going forward. You can only focus on the next opportunity you have to improve. We’re looking forward to this weekend’ clash against North as a real dress rehearsal for Round 1, and then take it as it comes from there.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-20/cotchin-confident-on-fitness
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I’ve been able to carry out my running program even though I’ve had a little bit of a hamstring problem because it was more a kicking action, so just minimal kicks.
Wouldn't of happened if he continued with his short sideway kicks
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Good point
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As strange as it may seem, Hardwick wants Cotchin to cop the bumps and bruises as much as test the repaired hamstring under match intensity.
“It doesn’t make any sense, but it’s important from a fitness point that he gets what he needs out of it from a physicality point of view. He’s a guy who gets in around the scrimmages, so we just need to make sure he gets the knocks and bruises to get him accustomed to that,’’ the coach said.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/kane-lambert-poised-to-be-promoted-from-richmond-rookie-list/story-fndv8t7m-1227271617238)
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Cotchin ready for Round 1
richmondfc.com.au
March 23, 2015
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-03-23/cotchin-sets-sights-on-blues
* I pulled up pretty well. It was good to be back out there and feel the intensity of the game. Obviously the pressure’s right up. I have a few hits on the body, general soreness, but nice to be back and at it. I probably could have played on through the last quarter but better to be safe than sorry. The body went pretty well. I think I ended up playing about 66% of the game, so not much less than I would normally play anyway. It was a good game to get involved in and set yourself for a big clash in Round 1. No issues - I’ll be out there, ready to go.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-23/cotchin-ready-for-round-1
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Heard that before :whistle
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Will be on the LTI
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Possessions in a game and lots of them do not mean you are elite.
Very good ball usage when ever in possession and continuously reading the play extremely well may lead a player to be elite.
Having a paddock in front of you from which a player could take the game on and move forward fast but opting to hand ball the footy off to somebody else who is under pressure or about to be under pressure is NOT the qualities of an elite player.
Cotchin is all class and (is) could be a whole lot more, I'm just not convinced that he knows it.
I would love to see him take the game on and do a bit, not just those crappy little rubbish kicks and handballs to no one which are continuously ineffective.
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Overated
Racks up nothing possessions in the back half and handballs to team mates already covered
Kicks the ball 15 metres sideways
Misses too many shots inside 50
That's only a start
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drop him & bring in Lennon & Knights. Time to get tuff
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:lol
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Doesn't have a penetrating kick and that's why he shouldn't be bringing it out of the backline. When it's left up to him all he can rely on is his short passing and work ethic to try and cover more ground and then bang it longer to a more open man.
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I love cotch and reckon at his best is one of the very best mids in the comp, he still has it in him but he's just been treading water for a while now - nigh on the most ineffectual 34 possession game Ive ever seen on the weekend.
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I love cotch and reckon at his best is one of the very best mids in the comp, he still has it in him but he's just been treading water for a while now - nigh on the most ineffectual 34 possession game Ive ever seen on the weekend.
Tigeritis™©® setting in?
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Been carrying our midfield since he was 20 with virtually stuff all protection from his teammates and has still had only one full pre-season out of eight. Little wonder he's starting to look a little bit ragged.
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Broken.
Unworthy captain. Boring personality.
He's like a Christian or something. ;D
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Cotch has a mongrel side to him which we all want to see in our captain.. like Selwood, Hodge, Boak.
I feel like he's gone back into his shell of trying to do everything right and please everyone.
Watched an interview on Adelaide's new coach and he was questioned on how he selected Tex as their captain.
He said he felt Tex had the attitude of, you're coming with me, Im going to make you come with me and play our way and if you dont there will be consequences.
Does anyone get this vibe from Cotch ? Nah.
Has the ability to be a great captain but needs to let loose a bit. Not be afraid to get into blokes, not be afraid to make mistakes by taking the game on instead of chipping 15m sideways.
Needs to be ruthless.
Why do we have Chaplin trying to pump our boys up when we're down. Says it all.
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Bad choice as captain I reckon
Only shows mongrel when he plays Melbourne as they bait him
Mmm
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Underachieving.
Was 2012 overachieving or what we should expect every week?
Frankly I want 2012.
The way we played, everything.
We have lost that 2012 fluent transition mojo.
Remember the Hawksgame and Dusty's 12 second coast to coast goal.
Dimma and the coaching staff have tinkered with something the was naturally superior and turned it to something that is average and occassionally above average.
Cotch in a nutshell.
Dusty in a nutshell.
Will cost Dimma his job at some time in the next 18 months.
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Make Rance the captain.
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Too much love for this bloke.
Too many dinky kicks, personally not a leader of men.
But then again we play like a team of girls so perhaps he is the right leader for us.
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Looks like a chimp.
Kicks like.a chimp.
Disposes like a chimp.
Chump.
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In all fairness I am a massive fan of Cotch. He hasn't been quite the same since that knee injury Vs Freo a couple of years back but to outrightly rubbish this guy is taking it too far. He was instrumental in our 9 game winning streak last year and if he were to go off Miles or Dusty will get absolutely molested by taggers.
I am as frustrated as all of you as to why he's reverted back to short kicking. I think he's trying to include people in the game again when he should be taking the game on with Dusty by his side. I think what RFC needs the most is a psychologist or at the very least a non drugged up Ben Cousins to remind people that when things are in the balance, back yourself and take the game on.
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Needs to work on his disposal. At his best a real champion but is off the boil. The turn over by him in the third quarter was critical and destroyed the momentum as it led to a two goal turnaround.
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In all fairness I am a massive fan of Cotch. He hasn't been quite the same since that knee injury Vs Freo a couple of years back but to outrightly rubbish this guy is taking it too far. He was instrumental in our 9 game winning streak last year and if he were to go off Miles or Dusty will get absolutely molested by taggers.
I am as frustrated as all of you as to why he's reverted back to short kicking. I think he's trying to include people in the game again when he should be taking the game on with Dusty by his side. I think what RFC needs the most is a psychologist or at the very least a non drugged up Ben Cousins to remind people that when things are in the balance, back yourself and take the game on.
Yeah I agree, I too am a big Cotchy fan because he has been awesome to watch, just not so good the last couple of years which is really frustrating, I just want to see him smash the corridor as he can do and stop dickin around with the flamin' footy.
I personally think (because nobody on here agrees) that Cotchin didn't win those games last year, nor was he the most valuable player we had. Rance was the best last year and SAVED most of those games that were considered won by Cotchin. Problem is, the most valuable player, Brownlow etc. is NOT a backmans award, it's midfield/forwards award. How many backmen have won a Brownlow in the last 30 years, yeah your right NONE.
Anyway, I'm not about to trash Cotchy it is unwarranted and not in the slightest needed nor am I going to trash any other player, I JUST WANT TO WIN! :gotigers
Cotchin, Dusty and Jack up and about = Half way to a WIN
Cotchin tuff, tenacious and being a really strong team-leader = WINS 100%
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I. Think it's unfair to trash average players but not good ones that haven't performed for a couple of seasons...
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Too much love for this bloke.
Too many dinky kicks, personally not a leader of men.
But then again we play like a team of girls so perhaps he is the right leader for us.
Yep :thumbsup
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Trent Cotchin is the brightest ray of hope that has walked through the doors of our club in a long time. The burden placed on him, by the likes of us, is impossible to imagine.
At some stage, with the influx of talent that has flowed into the club since Cotch has arrived, it will be time to review if he is still the most suitable player to be the captain. It will be one of the most difficult decisions in the clubs history if he is relieved of the job before his time. From what I have seen on field I like Vlastuin's style of leadership. He doesn't seem to say that much but you don't have to if your actions can demonstrate your message. I'm a big fan of the decision to give Taylor Walker a go as captain.
I remember an interview with Cotch and maybe his Mrs a couple of years ago. Let's call her 'Yoko'. He (or she) talked about how he has had to change, because he used to be a mad 100% footy nut, and Yoko has now provided some balance to his life and got him interested in a couple of things outside of footy. This was around the time that he announced was only going to play to win 1 flag then see you later. He has hardly been the same player since then.
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Reckon the Mrs controls the person ;)
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I know it's only highlights... but feel like we haven't seen this cotch for a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzt-2KLPXic
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Reckon the Mrs controls the person ;)
I'm lucky that I am even allowed to be on the internet at the moment!
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I think that is a great post Dallas, however I would insert the name Rance in place of Vlas. We have been guilty of anointing young, emerging players before their time. Vlas hasn't earnt the right to be even considered as a leader led alone been spoken of as a captain. He needs to prove himself first as a player.
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Vlas lucky to get a game this week
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Reckon the Mrs controls the person ;)
:thumbsup
I'm the boss and I have my wife's permission to say so :lol
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I think that is a great post Dallas, however I would insert the name Rance in place of Vlas. We have been guilty of anointing young, emerging players before their time. Vlas hasn't earnt the right to be even considered as a leader led alone been spoken of as a captain. He needs to prove himself first as a player.
You're right, Rance is the next best option and true about Vlas as well. I am not writing off Cotchin by the way. I still hold hope that he will get back to his best and lead us to a flag, like we all hoped when he first arrived.
I also agree with the comment that he should be a little more selfish inside 50, he is an extremely dangerous forward if we can somehow afford to have him down there.
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin is playing too safe, Mark Robinson writes
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2015
I hated the way Trent Cotchin played last weekend.
I hated the way Richmond played.
Against a Western Bulldogs team which flooded back and then kept the Tigers in their back half, the Tigers were boring and without dare.
The Bulldogs played complete football: Hard at the contest, numbers at the contest, spread from the contest and they shared the ball. At times it was exhilarating.
Their defence will be tested by better teams than Richmond, namely Hawthorn on Sunday, but right now it is better than a work in progress. They’re a happening football team.
The same can’t be said of the Tigers.
It is a sample size of two — Carlton in Round 1 and the Western Bulldog in Round 2 — so profound statements are not required.
Still, I hated the way Trent Cotchin played against the Western Bulldogs.
In 2012, Cotchin was equal second in the Brownlow Medal with 26 votes. He was 22 years old and had the football world at his feet.
Cotchin has just turned 25. He’s a damn good player, but he’s become a damn good safe player.
In the three years in between Cotchin’s graph has dipped.
The most damaging midfielders are those who kick goals or have high numbers in score involvements. The numbers hurt him.
In 2012, he averaged 7.7 score involvements, which was ranked No. 2 at the club behind Jack Riewoldt. For midfielders across the competition, he was sixth behind Sam Mitchell, Jobe Watson, Scott Thompson, Dane Swan and Dayne Beams.
In 2014, he averaged 5.2 score involvements, which was equal sixth at the club behind Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin, Riewoldt, Brandon Ellis and Shane Edwards. For midfielders in the competition, he was ranked equal 61st.
This year, he’s averaging 5.5, which has him ranked No. 9 at the club.
Really, Trent Cotchin ranked 61st?
It was frustrating watching the Tigers play against the Dogs, crisscrossing the ball across half-back regularly.
And Cotchin, who had 34 disposals, was central to it.
At one stage in the first quarter, he had three kicks in nine seconds and gained 26m.
Cotchin’s defensive kicking stats against the Bulldogs showed he had 13 kicks at an average of five metres gained.
We grabbed a random game from 2012 — it was Round 22 against Essendon — where Cotchin had 31 disposals.
Against the Bombers, he had eight defensive kicks at an average 32.2m gained.
The point is, Cotchin plays a very different game now compared with 2012.
He plays too safe. He’s less threatening with the ball, less dynamic and dangerous through the midfield/half-forward. Yes, he gets tagged but he’s not Robinson Crusoe.
To be fair, what can’t be assessed by computers is Cotchin’s leadership.
He helped carry the Tigers to nine consecutive wins last year and a position in the finals and that can’t be ignored.
Internally, he is loved for setting standards on and off the field in the Tigers revamp.
But it’s a strange game that he plays.
On one hand you think he’s running defensively and helping his defenders because that’s what leaders do.
On the other, you ask if he’s getting cheap possessions across half-back when he should be more dangerous with the ball.
Coach Damien Hardwick had high hopes when he spoke to colleague Jon Ralph in the pre-season.
“Trent has had his best pre-season from a leadership point of view since 2012 when he finished second in the Brownlow Medal,’’ Hardwick said.
“He has just led from the front, everything he has done he has won, whether it’s handball games or anything, he has dominated and it’s really exciting.’’
That’s what’s needed, less cheap and safe and more excitement and a Cotchin circa 2012.
http://www.news.com.au/national/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-is-playing-too-safe-mark-robinson-writes/story-e6frfkp9-1227308211453
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100% correct
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100% correct
Yes sadly I have to agree. last week there was a touch of the Joel Bowden about him. no doubt Bowden was a good player, but little side way kicks and things don't do anything for the team. by the end of his career I had Bowden down as a good ordinary player even though he could have and should have been a star, lets hope the same doesn't happen to Cotchin.
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Right on the money this article .
Been waiting for 2012 Cotch to return ....he just doesn't hurt the opposition anymore .
Kinda reminds me of waiting for 07/08 Foley to return but that dude is gone forever.
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agree that Blobbo is correct, which makes me wonder who wrote this article, or if Robbo just recorded a conversation with someone who follows the game at the pub and wrote the article from that?
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Even Blobbo has to be right sometimes. Chalk it up as an accident.
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Hardwick is a stuffen imbecile.
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agree that Blobbo is correct, which makes me wonder who wrote this article, or if Robbo just recorded a conversation with someone who follows the game at the pub and wrote the article from that?
Like many journos, they search fan forums to get their opinions :whistle.
Agree with Robbo by the way even though Cotch isn't robinson crusoe in our side when it comes chip-chip footy. The lack of movement upfield and slowness on the spread and in transition from defence to attack and back to defence doesn't help the ballcarrier either in being able to move the ball long and quickly.
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100% correct
Yep
Hard to argue anything In Robbo's article
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fluff article to appease the Morons , nevermind he steered us into a historic finals appearance 6 months ago ::)
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fluff article to appease the Morons , nevermind he steered us into a historic finals appearance 6 months ago ::)
Think the article acknowledges the finals last year
But the whether you want to admit it or not he let the team down badly last week and for the first half of last year played the same way. And for memory we were 3-10... So where is the fluff exactly?
As I said the article is spot on and I am not moron
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fluff article to appease the Morons , nevermind he steered us into a historic finals appearance 6 months ago ::)
In saying it was 'historic' finals appearance, is that because we haven't been bent over in a final like that since 1995?
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anyone that thinks cotch doesn't need to release the shackles and take the game on more is the moron
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Blobbo has always been a flog and will always be one
37 touches one class goal and heaps of hard ball gets
We don't know how lucky we are to have Cotch
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Think Robbo was right and Cotchin is a good enough player to have worked it out for himself tonight.
Nice to see him have more impact.
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Yep
More of that please
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Yep
More of that please
x2 :thumbsup
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It's all easy playing against a bunch of kids up north.
It's when we play Cats, north, port, pee&poo, freo, pies, drug cheats that I want to see increased pressure & intensity.
But let's all dance our feet won't touch the ground :dancing :dancing :woohoo :woohoo
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Yep
More of that please
x2 :thumbsup
x 3
That's what he needs to do every week, not just after he gets a rocket from the media or anyone for that matter
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It's all easy playing against a bunch of kids up north.
It's when we play Cats, north, port, pee&poo, freo, pies, drug cheats that I want to see increased pressure & intensity.
But let's all dance our feet won't touch the ground :dancing :dancing :woohoo :woohoo
Well said. That was 4 points and not much else.
What I saw is a bunch of flat track bullies beating up on a bunch of kids
Talk to me after the dreamtime game where I expect them to retreat back to their usual self
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Blobbo has always been a flog and will always be one
37 touches one class goal and heaps of hard ball gets
We don't know how lucky we are to have Cotch
Think Robbo was 100%
Publicly kick Trent up the backside
To Trent's credit , not many cheap possessions last night and earnt most of them
Now needs to be consistent in this way each week
No more cheap stats behind the ball
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Blobbo the flog hasn't got the credibility to kick anyone up the backside
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It's all easy playing against a bunch of kids up north.
It's when we play Cats, north, port, pee&poo, freo, pies, drug cheats that I want to see increased pressure & intensity.
But let's all dance our feet won't touch the ground :dancing :dancing :woohoo :woohoo
Beams , rich , Christensen aren't a bunch of kids, their midfield. Is respectable albeit without rockcliffe , don't let that get in the way of a lame troll effort though , nice try though :ROTFL
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Blobbo the flog hasn't got the credibility to kick anyone up the backside
he may not, but he was correct on this and Trent came out and played the way he should, last night.
It is most unlikely blobbo's article had anything to do with it though
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His actions are copied by others being captain. He needs to remember not to over use the ball with 600mm handballs in the last string of attack, He needs to kick the bloody thing to catch out the defenders & those running back into the play to man us up. The player running next to him needs to cut back into the line of the opposition & block the run so to let Cotchin get a kick instead of taking the short handball & fumbling & a turnover. These are the acts that really make my blood boil. Not enough players are putting the block in while attacking. Good footballers are always thinking ahead.
Hope your reading this Dimma :banghead
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Better, Much Better :clapping
Still not the best of him and I can't wait to see the best which will be better than any player in the comp.
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He gave the side a lot more drive this week, no doubt about it, so too did Miles just quietly :shh
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cotch was simply outstanding last night.Although not having a hard tag probably helped
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cotch was simply outstanding last night.Although not having a hard tag probably helped
yep, can guarantee Melbourne won't let him rack em up at will
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cotch had opponents man handling last night too.
the criticism has never been his ability to break tags, but his mindset.
has shown in the past he can be damaging against all comers and he if he continues to attack the game like he did last night it wont matter who we play.
he threw off the shackles last night and hopefully they stay off
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cotch was simply outstanding last night.Although not having a hard tag probably helped
yep, can guarantee Melbourne won't let him rack em up at will
Vince will be tagging him!
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We will also have Lids back. This helps the flexibility of our midfield. I don't expect Cotchin to be racking up 37 touches and have the same impact each week. To imply he should is laughable. It's the intent I want to see. He had his game face on from the opening bounce.
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Robbo's comments on Cotch today post-Brisbane game ...
Likes No.2. Trent Cotchin: What a player he is when he’s damaging forward of centre. Kicked two, had a game-high seven inside 50s, 12 score involvements and 18 contested possessions from 37 overall. That was the Cotchin at his best: Hard, adventurous, inspiring.
http://www.news.com.au/national/the-tackle-mark-robinson-reveals-his-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-3/story-e6frfkp9-1227311389515
Robinson noted the obvious change in Richmond captain Trent Cotchin’s mindset when he gained possession of the ball.
“I wrote that I hated the way Trent played against the Western Bulldogs, just criss-crossing around halfback,” he explained.
“This guy is playing safe football, but on Saturday night he was awesome and at the level he should aspire to play at.
“He needs to be adventurous, and they need him playing that way if they’re going to win a flag.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/04-15/robbo-on-hard-tagging-cotchin-bartel-injury
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Barrett's latest sliding doors offering ....
IF ....... Trent Cotchin maintains his form of last week...
THEN ...... the Tigers have hope. If he doesn't, they're only so-so.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-24/sliding-doors-round-four
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does anyone have access to the metres gained stat robbo quoted in his cotchin article? Would also love to see percentage of small kicks vs long kicks bc I reckon some darlings of the media get away with murder whilst others get a bum rap. For example would love to see Heppells metres gained stat and how many of his kicks travel further than 25metres. Bet you it aint much yet hes regarded as a top 15 player in the game whereas cotch gets smashed
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goes missing every time the game is up for grabs. Very good player, just not a great leader I'm affraid
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False leader.
Most annoying how he pretends to be putting in but really is a big sook.
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goes missing every time the game is up for grabs. Very good player, just not a great leader I'm affraid
mark murphy
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I wish we had Kruezer
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won the first center clearance then was moved forward...... to break the tag?
WTF?
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Typical TAC cup recruit, can't cop a tag.
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Ordinary captain
Ordinary bloke off the field as well
Leave it at that
Leader of men ? I think not !!
Why is he captain is beyond belief
Who would you make captain?
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Not him
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Make Jack captain, at least he has passion.
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Jack would make a good captain although he needs to sort himself out first
Kicking across the body garbage cost him 3 goals last night
Would think Rance and Chaplin would make good captains
Lids as well
As so over Cotchin it ain't funny
Reckon he lost me by not taking the no 17 and then I assumed that he was all about himself
Reckon I am right
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Jack would make a good captain although he needs to sort himself out first
Kicking across the body garbage cost him 3 goals last night
Would think Rance and Chaplin would make good captains
Lids as well
As so over Cotchin it ain't funny
Reckon he lost me by not taking the no 17 and then I assumed that he was all about himself
Reckon I am right
Jack being a lair is winning no plaudits, less theatre and more football please Jack
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Can he kick a captains goal? Please?
Another important set shot failure in the third.
Kick 5 against St Kilda when we really need it. ;D
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Jack would make a good captain although he needs to sort himself out first
Kicking across the body garbage cost him 3 goals last night
Would think Rance and Chaplin would make good captains
Lids as well
As so over Cotchin it ain't funny
Reckon he lost me by not taking the no 17 and then I assumed that he was all about himself
Reckon I am right
Chaplin should be nowhere near an AFL captain.
Lids should be.
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Disagree with the Chaplin .he would be a good captain
He understands the game better than 99% of the playing group
Strategy wise he would be good
Instead of the captain we now have patting guys on the bum all night
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He may understand the game well, but I couldn't respect a captain who has done some of the stupid things on field that chaplin has - the pedestrian chase in last years elim final when he had 25metres of space to get beaten to the ball... was just embarrassing (and that's not an isolated incident). He can use that footy brain when he retires and gets into coaching, atm his onfield actions are not leadership material
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Very poor comment jack re Cotch being an ordinary bloke off field.
Didn't think that was your style jack
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You serious?
Jackstarr has been airing his personal vendettas on here for years.
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You serious?
Jackstarr has been airing his personal vendettas on here for years.
:lol
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True, dat
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Very poor comment jack re Cotch being an ordinary bloke off field.
Didn't think that was your style jack
My opinion and I have my reasons
You're full of shyte.
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You serious?
Jackstarr has been airing his personal vendettas on here for years.
Well I reckon he is
Didn't want to take the no 17 when made captain
Didn't want to be involved in the " cotchies cubs " at punt rd anymore
He is hardly a leader on the field
Great footballer , poor leader
Why didn't he take 17? He said it was because he was number 9 already, a number with great history, and he wanted to create his own history. I don't have an issue with that personally.
Why did he quit Cotchies Cubs? Bloke has training, games, recovery, reviews, leadership meetings, sponsorship commitments, a wife and his own newly born child to think of. There could be any number of good reasons. Not everybody is great with kids like Richo etc. Some of these blokes are just footballers, not high-school peer support group leaders for toddlers...
I agree his own-field leadership is lacking. Think your comments about him off-field are pretty childish though. You probably don't know him from a bar of soap...
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Very poor comment jack re Cotch being an ordinary bloke off field.
Didn't think that was your style jack
Anyone that's been here over two years is fully aware of Jacks "style"
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Jack clearly goes to a lot of club functions etc...
If he thinks Cotchin is an ordinary bloke then why can't he say so?
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Am entitled to my opinion
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FWIW I've spoken to Cotch at club functions and he has been a gentleman. Not sure what you are talking about Jack.
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FWIW I've spoken to Cotch at club functions and he has been a gentleman. Not sure what you are talking about Jack.
That's fine
Outside the yellow and black
Different
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To be fair, we don't know much about most footballers outside of their club though.......
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FWIW I've spoken to Cotch at club functions and he has been a gentleman. Not sure what you are talking about Jack.
That's fine
Outside the yellow and black
Different
Agreed Doc.
Jack how would you know? Here-say or personal experience?
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FWIW I've spoken to Cotch at club functions and he has been a gentleman. Not sure what you are talking about Jack.
That's fine
Outside the yellow and black
Different
Agreed Doc.
Jack how would you know? Here-say or personal experience?
Why bother asking, you will just get back bullpoo in response, we all know what his so called gospel
Is worth
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Vlad the Impaler, Ivan the Terrible, Ghengis Khan, Kubler Khan, Jack the Ripper, Dudley Do-Right, Peter Perfect, Ed Sheerin, Dolly Parton, Donny Osmond, Marie Osmond, Bruce MacAvaney, William Wallace, Ghandi, Paris Hilton, Caligula himself or even Kim Kardishan .... I just don't care anymore!
The first one to hold up a premiership cup from the first row of the JD Stand with yellow & black ribbons hanging from it & present it to the hordes of screaming Richmond supporters is going to be my new hero! Deal with it!
:gotigers
(between you & me, I'm kinda hoping its Kim Kardishan ... ;) :o )
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At the moment .we have Humphrey B Bear as Club Captain
There lies a huge problem
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Are there dips in performance in 'elite/high end' players when their partner gives birth to a child? Purely speculative but maybe family life is number 1 priority (I think rightfully so but that's debatable amongst fans) and he's lost that competitive hunger that he had in 2011/2012?
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League Teams: Richmond captain Trent Cotchin needs to inspire team like Geelong’s Joel Selwood
Adam Baldwin
FOX SPORTS
May 01, 2015 4:37PM
AFTER a performance described by Damien Hardwick as “insipid”, the focus is squarely on Richmond’s ability to rebound from its horror loss to the Demons.
The Tigers were thumped by a hungrier Melbourne side last week and showed little resistance to arrest the momentum.
Richmond has been criticised for lacking strong leadership in recent seasons and captain Trent Cotchin, emerging star Dustin Martin and Coleman medallist Jack Riewoldt offered little when the game was on the line.
Cotchin said all the right things during the week, but when the ball is bounced on Saturday afternoon it‘ll be time for action.
If the skipper needs any guidance on how to inspire a football club to victory against the odds, he’ll find it standing in the centre square of the MCG.
Opposing captain Joel Selwood performed his latest act of brilliant leadership only two weeks ago when he gathered 23 contested possessions to drag the Cats to a come-from-behind victory over Gold Coast.
His coach described Selwood’s second half as “amazing”, while Mitch Duncan described his teammate as an “animal”.
All-Australian captain Brad Johnson says the Tigers need a Selwood-like performance from Cotchin in Round 5.
“He’s got to stand up,” Johnson said on Fox Footy’s League Teams.
Sydney premiership player Barry Hall agreed, but questioned whether Cotchin’s silky smooth game was capable.
“You can put the pressure on yourself as much as you like, but in terms of being a pure grunt captain like Selwood, he’s inspirational,” Hall said.
“Trent Cotchin in a great player, but is he going to crash and bash and get down and dirty?
“Will he ever do what Joel Selwood does? I don't think we will.”
Five time premiership player Dermott Brereton believes Selwood is a better player and captain, but insists Cotchin holds more talent.
“If I look at the two of them and they stand shoulder to shoulder, Selwood is a better player ... I reckon Cotchin has more talent. He can move better and he’s proven in the past he can go in and win his own ball,” Brereton said.
“So why doesn’t he play and captain like Selwood?”
Four time premiership coach David Parkin said it’s unfair to compare the two players given their physical differences.
“Selwood plays with a body like a battering ram and the other bloke is an athlete with agility,” Parkin said.
There’s little doubt Selwood is the greater player and midfielder, but if Cotchin can play like the man he’ll shake hands with before play on Saturday, the Tigers season will be back on track.
COTCHIN v SELWOOD
Age: 25 v 26
Games: 135 v 188
Best and fairests: 3 v 3
All Australian: 1 v 4
Premierships: 0 v 3
2015 avg. disposals: 28 v 28.8
Tackles: 2 v 6
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/league-teams-richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-needs-to-inspire-team-like-geelongs-joel-selwood/story-e6frf3e3-1227330432112
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League Teams: Richmond captain Trent Cotchin needs to inspire team like Geelong’s Joel Selwood
Adam Baldwin
FOX SPORTS
May 01, 2015 4:37PM
AFTER a performance described by Damien Hardwick as “insipid”, the focus is squarely on Richmond’s ability to rebound from its horror loss to the Demons.
The Tigers were thumped by a hungrier Melbourne side last week and showed little resistance to arrest the momentum.
Richmond has been criticised for lacking strong leadership in recent seasons and captain Trent Cotchin, emerging star Dustin Martin and Coleman medallist Jack Riewoldt offered little when the game was on the line.
Cotchin said all the right things during the week, but when the ball is bounced on Saturday afternoon it‘ll be time for action.
If the skipper needs any guidance on how to inspire a football club to victory against the odds, he’ll find it standing in the centre square of the MCG.
Opposing captain Joel Selwood performed his latest act of brilliant leadership only two weeks ago when he gathered 23 contested possessions to drag the Cats to a come-from-behind victory over Gold Coast.
His coach described Selwood’s second half as “amazing”, while Mitch Duncan described his teammate as an “animal”.
All-Australian captain Brad Johnson says the Tigers need a Selwood-like performance from Cotchin in Round 5.
“He’s got to stand up,” Johnson said on Fox Footy’s League Teams.
Sydney premiership player Barry Hall agreed, but questioned whether Cotchin’s silky smooth game was capable.
“You can put the pressure on yourself as much as you like, but in terms of being a pure grunt captain like Selwood, he’s inspirational,” Hall said.
“Trent Cotchin in a great player, but is he going to crash and bash and get down and dirty?
“Will he ever do what Joel Selwood does? I don't think we will.”
Five time premiership player Dermott Brereton believes Selwood is a better player and captain, but insists Cotchin holds more talent.
“If I look at the two of them and they stand shoulder to shoulder, Selwood is a better player ... I reckon Cotchin has more talent. He can move better and he’s proven in the past he can go in and win his own ball,” Brereton said.
“So why doesn’t he play and captain like Selwood?”
Four time premiership coach David Parkin said it’s unfair to compare the two players given their physical differences.
“Selwood plays with a body like a battering ram and the other bloke is an athlete with agility,” Parkin said.
There’s little doubt Selwood is the greater player and midfielder, but if Cotchin can play like the man he’ll shake hands with before play on Saturday, the Tigers season will be back on track.
COTCHIN v SELWOOD
Age: 25 v 26
Games: 135 v 188
Best and fairests: 3 v 3
All Australian: 1 v 4
Premierships: 0 v 3
2015 avg. disposals: 28 v 28.8
Tackles: 2 v 6
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/league-teams-richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-needs-to-inspire-team-like-geelongs-joel-selwood/story-e6frf3e3-1227330432112
I love Cotch and I'll defend him for as long as I can talk but for me the last stat is the big one for me. For a player of his talent, competivenes and pride, he needs to have more than two tackles a game. He should lead the way here, that is the leadership I would like to see from him. A couple of less 'give and gets' and a couple more tackles will inspire his teammates. We are and have been for a really long time a team that refuses to crack in in this department.
I must admit I do blame Dimma for this as well, his tactic of corelling an opponent with the footy instead of full on aggression at the man with the footy leads to players being lazy and content to just hang off their man. They do this tokin push of the player who just got rid of the footy instead of turning around and chasing the next bloke. I see it every week and it's by far the most frustrating thing the RFC do IMO. The good sides are manic in the way they pressure sides with the footy, and create turnovers more often than not.
You don't have to be the most skillful side in the comp to run, chase and tackle and I think that is the minimum we as tiger supporters should expect week in week out. But with players like Grigg, Houli, Ellis and Griffiths who would rather pretend to want to tackle than actually tackle then it makes it had to create that 'all ground pressure' that is needed to be a decent side. Those guys do some good things too but if they don't want to get involved in the most important part of the game then do it somewhere else.
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I love Cotch and I'll defend him for as long as I can talk but for me the last stat is the big one for me. For a player of his talent, competivenes and pride, he needs to have more than two tackles a game. He should lead the way here, that is the leadership I would like to see from him. A couple of less 'give and gets' and a couple more tackles will inspire his teammates. We are and have been for a really long time a team that refuses to crack in in this department.
I must admit I do blame Dimma for this as well, his tactic of corelling an opponent with the footy instead of full on aggression at the man with the footy leads to players being lazy and content to just hang off their man. They do this tokin push of the player who just got rid of the footy instead of turning around and chasing the next bloke. I see it every week and it's by far the most frustrating thing the RFC do IMO. The good sides are manic in the way they pressure sides with the footy, and create turnovers more often than not.
You don't have to be the most skillful side in the comp to run, chase and tackle and I think that is the minimum we as tiger supporters should expect week in week out. But with players like Grigg, Houli, Ellis and Griffiths who would rather pretend to want to tackle than actually tackle then it makes it had to create that 'all ground pressure' that is needed to be a decent side. Those guys do some good things too but if they don't want to get involved in the most important part of the game then do it somewhere else.
Excellent post BT. :thumbsup
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if i have the ball i much prefer the opponents in front to run at me, the more they commit the better, and i dont have that great of a sidestep.
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Been one of our best today. Some people need to watch the game
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Miss the set shot. Captains point.
Needs to kick that.
Was good but could have been better and had more impact.
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Probably best player on the paddock
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After watching live and then again on replay, Cotchin played a great game.
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After watching live and then again on replay, Cotchin played a great game.
He was very good but as Don mentioned - must nail getable goals. Shows his poise under pressure is still suspect, maybe due to a lack of confudence
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bad , bad miss and not the first time. Captains need to set the example, and getting those goals inspire, while missing them deflate.
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bad , bad miss and not the first time. Captains need to set the example, and getting those goals inspire, while missing them deflate.
Certainly did yesterday, heads dropped, so did shoulders, momentum lost, they all trudged to the 3 qtr time huddle
So costly, how costly? Will never know but ....l
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Miss the set shot. Captains point.
Needs to kick that.
Was good but could have been better and had more impact.
j
Agreed should have stuffen well kicked that , was pretty damned quiet in first half too which is when Geelong set up what became a match winning lead ....finished the game well however a 4q effort would have been much better
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I will let you in on a secret ladies
Set shot goal kicking is the weakest part of Cotchin's game
Now man the stuff up and get over it
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I'll tell you another secret.
Kicking goals is what wins you games.
Set shots from 35 when your team has momentum and you need to kick them must be converted.
When its from your captain it lifts spirits. Makes the work of others who got the ball there in the firstplace all the more worthwhile and can make vulnerable opposition even more vulnerable.
Fact captain Cotch failed at that as he did yesterday at a critical junction of the game in the shadows of three quarter time and last week in the third same end of the ground almost the same spot is a slur on his perfomance IMHO.
Now man the stuff up and you get over it princess.
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No way, Cotchin is gods gift to the RFC and you all need to see the light
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I will let you in on a secret ladies
Set shot goal kicking is the weakest part of Cotchin's game
Now man the stuff up and get over it
He should be practicing after training then ...
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I will let you in on a secret ladies
Set shot goal kicking is the weakest part of Cotchin's game
Now man the stuff up and get over it
He should be practicing after training then ...
They are not allowed to, fitness people (and I use that term very loosely) won't let them do extra goal kicking practice. It's the same at all clubs. Something to do with loads blah blah
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Mentally fragile player
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Mentally fragile player
Just knew he was going to miss the goal that mattered
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Yep. He's done it about 7 times now. That time when he missed vs Sydney at the scg and then went and had shots after the siren.
Give us a spell Trent, that was a publicity stunt. Like you couldn't bloody do it at training :banghead
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Tim Watson on Talking Footy last night said Cotch needs to go back to his 2013 form and lengthen his game. He can footpass well over distance as he showed back then. Watson reckons Cotch has now fallen back into trying to play too much like his junior footy days. He lends handballs so he can run on and receive the ball back; he does the same with his short chip kicks. Cotchin needs to kick longer and use his skills to split open the play. Both Watson and Carey said he's now an accumulator. Although he is Richmond best player, for Cotch to go to the next level (Joel Selwood's level), he needs to influence and attack games with his possessions like Selwood does.
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Tim Watson on Talking Footy last night said Cotch needs to go back to his 2013 form and lengthen his game. He can footpass well over distance as he showed back then. Watson reckons Cotch has now fallen back into trying to play too much like his junior footy days. He lends handballs so he can run on and receive the ball back; he does the same with his short chip kicks. Cotchin needs to kick longer and use his skills to split open the play. Both Watson and Carey said he's now an accumulator. Although he is Richmond best player, for Cotch to go to the next level (Joel Selwood's level), he needs to influence and attack games with his possessions like Selwood does.
And one couldn't argue with any of that
Carey also said he is a good player but needs to do the above to become an elite player and by doing that it would also improve his leadership
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You don't see Luke Hodge kicking dinky 15 metre kicks
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Tim Watson on Talking Footy last night said Cotch needs to go back to his 2013 form and lengthen his game. He can footpass well over distance as he showed back then. Watson reckons Cotch has now fallen back into trying to play too much like his junior footy days. He lends handballs so he can run on and receive the ball back; he does the same with his short chip kicks. Cotchin needs to kick longer and use his skills to split open the play. Both Watson and Carey said he's now an accumulator. Although he is Richmond best player, for Cotch to go to the next level (Joel Selwood's level), he needs to influence and attack games with his possessions like Selwood does.
And one couldn't argue with any of that
Carey also said he is a good player but needs to do the above to become an elite player and by doing that it would also improve his leadership
Nitpicking but it depends what he means by "well over distance" because IIRC he hasn't got a long kick. Definitely longer than 15m though ::)
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I will let you in on a secret ladies
Set shot goal kicking is the weakest part of Cotchin's game
Now man the stuff up and get over it
He should be practicing after training then ...
They are not allowed to, fitness people (and I use that term very loosely) won't let them do extra goal kicking practice. It's the same at all clubs. Something to do with loads blah blah
He was allowed to after the Sydney game wasn't he
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Why Tigers skipper Trent Cotchin isn't a great player
Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
May 5, 2015
THE EXPECTATIONS attached to Richmond's Trent Cotchin need to be revised.
He is a courageous ball winner with great skill but he does not hurt the opposition enough.
An ongoing problem for Cotchin is his willingness to kick laterally or backwards rather than moving forward with the ball.
He is ranked 18th in the competition for lateral or backward kicks and No.66 for metres gained in 2015.
Despite his efforts to lift the Tigers on Saturday, the 25-year-old only gained 298 metres, below his season average of 375 metres, from 29 disposals.
That is an average of 10.27 metres gained per disposal.
Too many of his possessions were received from handballs (14) and not enough, when compared to the elite midfielders, were contested (37 per cent).
Last year Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said Cotchin was conscious of the need to move the ball forward more but it appears he has slipped into playing safe football.
Forty-one per cent of Cotchin's score involvements are in turnover chains, ranking him 317th of the 375 players who average at least three score involvements per game.
When the skipper is involved in a chain the Tigers score 27.9 per cent of the time, ranking him 18th at the club.
He has just 19 inside 50s for the season and sits 43rd in AFL rankings.
The truth is the Tigers need a goalkicking midfielder that breaks the lines (who doesn't?) to put some bite into their side.
They understand that. It's time others did too.
Despite Cotchin finishing top 10 in the Brownlow Medal in the past three seasons, opponents aren't too stressed about him creating havoc.
If the Tigers can find a midfielder who fits their needs – such as the Giants' Dylan Shiel – they should throw the house at him.
They might talk about creating midfield depth but the fact is they have drafted for that in the past few seasons, adding Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlastuin, Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis to the list.
They need midfield brilliance.
Trent Cotchin and the Tigers have struggled to capture winning form in 2015. Picture: AFL Media
Like about half the competition, the Tigers have the opportunity to take advantage of the new banking system that was introduced to chase a match winner.
They should use that opportunity because they are a good club with a solid list but they lack, with the possible exception of Brett Deledio, a superstar.
Life has been hard for Hardwick as he has been coach during a period when high draft picks have been taken by the expansion clubs.
He wants his team to play bold, attacking football but the ball movement remains predictable because of the talent at his disposal.
It's why the Tigers have won the disposal count in four of their five games this season but they only have two wins.
Compare some of Cotchin's numbers on Saturday to Geelong's Joel Selwood, who averaged 15 metres per disposal against Richmond to gain 319 metres from his 21 disposals, 62 per cent of which were contested.
Not only does Selwood win the ball and move it forward, he puts teammates into space. His handball to release Mitch Duncan from a centre clearance in the final quarter was the work of an elite midfielder.
Duncan gained 501 metres from his 29 disposals on Saturday (17.27 metres gained per disposal) and kicked two goals.
It's hard not to feel for Cotchin but his lack of penetration means he is a good rather than great player.
That's no knock on him. It's an explanation for why Richmond might be struggling to turn numbers into wins.
Interestingly enough, Melbourne skipper Nathan Jones said he debated the definition of a good game with his coach Paul Roos in 2014.
Now Jones is gaining fewer possessions but he is a better player, because he is winning the ball in positions more advantageous for his team.
Perhaps Cotchin needs to start where Jones was rebooted, by tagging Scott Pendlebury when Richmond plays Collingwood in two weeks, or Port Adelaide's Travis Boak in three weeks.
It's not Cotchin's fault because he is trying his heart out.
The supposed superstar, Dustin Martin, doesn't do enough either, limited by his running power to playing in bursts.
On Saturday, he received 24 handballs en route to winning 26 uncontested possessions among his 33 touches.
When Martin is involved in a chain of possession, the Tigers score 23.3 per cent of the time, ranking him at No.22 at the club.
In 2015 Martin is playing more in the midfield, but the difference between where he gets the ball in a win compared to a loss is stark.
He gains more possessions in the forward 50 in a win (11.9 per cent) than a loss (4.6 per cent) and fewer in the midfield in a win (81 per cent) than a loss (86.2 per cent).
His defensive pressure in centre clearances is not good enough yet either and he is ranked No.1 in the competition for handball receives.
He is a great one-on-one player when deep forward. He is not a damaging midfielder over four quarters.
Richmond's midfielders have become predictable.
It's time to change things quickly to put the bite back in the Tiger.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-05/why-tigers-skipper-trent-cotchin-isnt-a-great-player
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Good article
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yet other great players also kick the ball sideways or backwards. When Hodge or Mitchell so it, it normally goes to someone that can run like Rioli or someone that can kick like Burgoyne. When Cotchin does it the ball goes to Newman who doesn't run or a Grigg that cant kick.
the way the game has evolved you need to retain possession at times
cotchin is also willing to handball into space when nothing is happening / forcing the play and trying to create a goal. By taking a risk. Almost no one else is willing to do this. Which is weak as pee.
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The likes of Hodge, Mitchell, Selwood, Fyfe etc also have teammates who actually bump & shepherd for them too....something Cotchin's never had...
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Worst team in comp considering how Theyve improved every year........
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does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?
Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players who are no more damaging, yet they are darlings of the media.
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does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?
Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players and AA players who are no more damage they are darlings of the media.
hes sposed to win the ball, stand up, take him time, and kick it 65 meters towards goal... all while a tagger is borderline molesting him
it would be nice if his team mates coluld stop having a cup of tea, and a biscutt and help him instead of such unrealistic expectations
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does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?
Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players who are no more damaging, yet they are darlings of the media.
I wish Champion data made the metres gained stat public. I know Ablett absolutely kills it in this stat but I'm curious to see how other onballers fair in this category also. From memory I think Deledio is our number one metre man and hence why Ross Lyon usually puts Crowley on him instead of Trent.
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does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?
Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players who are no more damaging, yet they are darlings of the media.
Heppel
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New nickname for the Chimp is ......
Tries to land it on the green and ends up in the sand to use the .......
Is on a sprinkler & refuses to take a lie so he can use the ....
Centre clearance with defenders in chaos and uses a ......
55m out from goal straight in front, refuses to keep running directly towards the goals and sees Jack 20m out 60degree from the sticks and uses a .......
Lob Wedge
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New nickname for the Chimp is ......
Tries to land it on the green and ends up in the sand to use the .......
Is on a sprinkler & refuses to take a lie so he can use the ....
Centre clearance with defenders in chaos and uses a ......
55m out from goal straight in front, refuses to keep running directly towards the goals and sees Jack 20m out 60degree from the sticks and uses a .......
Lob Wedge
LOL
Can we call him "lobby" for short?
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Start the submitting of apologies
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Credit where credit's due, he dragged us over the line today :clapping
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Was very, very good today
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Great game from Cotch
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Troll
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Not at all, the keyboard warriors are quick to lay the boots in but I bet there not big enough to give him credit
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I think thats pretty much what we all wanted to see from cotch
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I think thats pretty much what we all wanted to see from cotch
Yes big al, yes!!!!!
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I think thats pretty much what we all wanted to see from cotch
Yep too right, bout time and hopefully much much more to come.
As soon as he stopped doin those crappy little kids with nil effect and more often than not causing a turnover, he became much better and far more dangerous.
Well done Cotch :clapping fantastic to watch and loved every moment.
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That was fantastic today but let's not get carried away just yet.
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Vintage Cotch today
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Not at all, the keyboard warriors are quick to lay the boots in but I bet there not big enough to give him credit
Nobody owes him an apology. I sure as poo won't be giving him one.
He's the captain and he's making approx $800k/year on the back of 2012 - today he delivered what he should be delivering week in week out.
We stuck the boot in because he was playing sissy-safe football, dicking the ball around the half back flanks pulling in cheap possessions. We know he can be damaging when he plays like he did today and that's what we've been asking for.
Credit where it's due. Bloke played the way he should today. Now to back it up again.
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Best game since 2012
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Not at all, the keyboard warriors are quick to lay the boots in but I bet there not big enough to give him credit
Nobody owes him an apology. I sure as poo won't be giving him one.
He's the captain and he's making approx $800k/year on the back of 2012 - today he delivered what he should be delivering week in week out.
We stuck the boot in because he was playing sissy-safe football, dicking the ball around the half back flanks pulling in cheap possessions. We know he can be damaging when he plays like he did today and that's what we've been asking for.
Credit where it's due. Bloke played the way he should today. Now to back it up again.
I'm sorry....I'm sorry that he's been so poo and offered zero leadership.
I'm also sorry that people would expect an apology because he played a good half of footy
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Kicked a set shot goal. Important. To keep the 2nd run going.
Kicked a snap goal from contested situation. More important after Pies hit the front in the 3rd for us to regain the lead. Timing is everything. Guess what we win.
More of this sort of match winning stuff Trent. :thumbsup
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That's what he's capable of and that's what he should be striving to do each week.
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Great game
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That was fantastic today but let's not get carried away just yet.
Ditto.
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Got his timing for his rest on the bench and up forward right so that he could be on the ball for the last 8 minutes. That's a change and a positive one. Had some gas in the tank when it was needed and won contests.
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Great game and I don't owe an apology
That's what he should be doing week after week.
That's leadership
Fantastic effort
Now time to back it up
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Great game. Need more of them. The goal he kicked in the 3rd quarter critical.
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I think Cotchin really missed Lids out on the park the past few weeks. Hopefully Lids' calf problems can be managed and we continue to see more 2012 Cotch this year
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dud, delist
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Best game l seen him play for a long time. He also got the others all fired up. A captains game. :gotigers
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Not at all, the keyboard warriors are quick to lay the boots in but I bet there not big enough to give him credit
On an unrelated note, wheres Dooks been?
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Not at all, the keyboard warriors are quick to lay the boots in but I bet there not big enough to give him credit
On an unrelated note, wheres Dooks been?
Dud delist
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Leader of men :bow
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Is Trent Cotchin a superstar?
By Jay Croucher
TheRoar.com.au
19 Jun 2015
“The ordinary man is involved in action, the hero acts. An immense difference” – Henry Miller.
We don’t have heroes in football, but we do have superstars. Our deification of the transcendent few is such that the distinction is slight. We treat stars like Chris Judd, Nat Fyfe and Lance Franklin as gods, because in a way they are. Their physical abilities are antithetical to this realm, and share little in common with our largely grounded existence.
The defining aspect of a superstar is their ability to exert supreme influence. Players like Michael Voss, Wayne Carey and Jason Dunstall weren’t just parts of the game – they stood taller than it. Their acts determined the game’s action and the game became an extension of them – not vice versa.
In 2012, Trent Cotchin was a superstar. He averaged 28 touches and five tackles a game, kicked 21 goals and finished the season ranked top ten in the AFL for kicks, inside 50s and disposals per game. He polled 26 Brownlow votes, finishing second in the count, and opened 2013 as the Brownlow medal favourite.
Back then Cotchin was an excitement machine, a ball of unstoppable pace and class. He was a wizard on the outside but had the hardness to win the ball on the interior, ranking 16th in contested possessions per game, ahead of the likes of Kieran Jack, Lenny Hayes and Chris Judd.
Cotchin had that tantalising Gary Ablett Jr quality where he always seemed to be leaning forward, almost perpetually crouched, ready to explode through the faintest opening. Like the bald maestro, Richmond’s #9 had extra-terrestrial agility and zip; able to create space for himself in congestion where there should have been none.
He had that Chad Wingard-type spark in the forward line, as though whenever he got near the ball he knew he would be able to do something remarkable, and he just wanted the crowd to understand that fact too.
Cotchin had the statistical output of a superstar, and just as importantly he carried himself with the swagger of one as well.
Then, for whatever reason, the super dropped out of Trent Cotchin’s star. He was appointed Richmond captain at the end of 2012, and that weight, combined with niggling knee injuries, seemed to slow down his once explosive speed. His stats dropped in literally every major category, losing volume but also losing efficiency.
More than anything, the spark dissipated. After kicking 39 goals in 2011 and 2012 combined, Cotchin kicked just 6 in 2013. His numbers were still respectable, but they weren’t superstar calibre. The story was much the same in 2014, with Cotchin failing to make even the 40-man squad for the All-Australian team after missing it in 2013 too. His one storied skill largely deserted him, ranking fourth in the league in clangers in 2014.
After being such a bastion of hope, excitement and the future, Cotchin became an omen of middling reality – a tame tiger. Once the kid from Northern Knights with boundless potential who was going to lead Richmond to glory, Cotchin became the guy who weirdly refused to adopt the Richmond captain’s ritual of changing his number to honour Jack Dyer. He said that he was ‘looking forward’ to football being over, and would retire in his mid-20s if Richmond won a flag.
Comments like this led to a cold perception of Cotchin, seemingly a guy who treated football as a job and not an untouchable dream, like it is and needs to be for all of us commoners. Inevitably, we treat football as more important that it is, and Cotchin’s sensible indifference was a bitter illumination of this fact.
This, combined with a lack of fire or front-page explosiveness in his personality, as well as a rhombus-shaped haircut that makes him look like a pen salesman, accentuated the gradual darkening of Trent Cotchin’s star.
In the space of two years, Cotchin went from the Brownlow medal favourite and one of the most tantalising, watchable players in the AFL, to the dude from ‘24′ who tells on Jack Bauer to try and get a promotion. No longer a superstar, he was just another guy that was ‘pretty good’ at football.
The Cotchin narrative reached its nadir a month ago, with Richmond listlessly sitting at 2-4 and statistical articles being written titled Why Trent Cotchin isn’t a great player. In the past month though, the script has finally turned in favour of the Richmond skipper. The crouching tiger is standing tall again.
With Richmond’s season on life support in Round 7 against Collingwood, Cotchin used a defibrillator of contested possessions and clearances to bring them back to life. He had 32 touches, two goals, seven inside 50s and six clearances that day, outplaying Scott Pendlebury and saving Richmond’s season.
He’s been prominent in Richmond’s past two wins over Fremantle and Essendon, beating the likes of David Mundy, Michael Barlow and Dyson Heppell in contested ball (no, he didn’t beat Fyfe, but neither does anyone else of this earth). The spark and the swagger of 2012 still isn’t there, but it’s been replaced by an admirable grit and resolve.
It’s cliché to say that anyone, especially a captain, ‘wills’ their team over the line, but Cotchin has been doing that in the past month, winning pivotal clearances through hardness, desire and application.
After averaging more uncontested possessions than contested ones the past four seasons, that ratio has reversed in 2015. Cotchin is winning contested ball at a career-best rate and ranks 12th in the league in that metric, ahead of the likes of Pendlebury, Luke Parker and Sam Mitchell.
After two years of largely unsatisfying ‘above-average’ play, Cotchin has seemingly found his niche and a way to impact games once again on a star level.
Out of nowhere, Cotchin’s team is inexplicably relevant to the 2015 season once again too. The Tigers are fifth favourites for the flag and given their form over the past month, that’s hard to argue with. In terms of superstars, Brett Deledio might have the aesthetic and Dustin Martin, for better or worse, might have the swagger, but Cotchin is the only player on this team with a past history of proven superstar performance.
He’s still the Tiger heartbeat, and the player who will need to carry this team to the places it wants to go.
To answer the question ‘Is Trent Cotchin a superstar?’, and satisfy Betteridge’s law of headlines, the answer is still probably no. Cotchin has been terrific recently, but he hasn’t been transcendent – an unfortunate but necessary benchmark for our superstars.
In recent times Cotchin has been a player to respect and appreciate, but not one to inspire awe or incredulity. Unlike peak Judd or present Fyfe, he doesn’t make football seem like a dream meant for the heavenly gifted. He makes it seem like a job that he’s very good at. And that’s fine.
Because even if Trent Cotchin isn’t leading the Tigers out onto the battlefield with the ethereal transcendence of a superstar, he’ll still be leading them, and he’ll be doing his part.
And in a sport often defined by its obsession with the extraordinary, sometimes just doing one’s part is the most admirable thing of all.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/19/trent-cotchin-superstar/
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as well as a rhombus-shaped haircut that makes him look like a pen salesman
:lol
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Is he playing tonight????
Where is he???
WAKE UP!!!!!!
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Worst game he's played. :banghead
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7 disposals 42% efficiency 3 effective.
KICK THE BLOODY THING!
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Hahaha calm down mate. The captain doesn't have to get 30 disposals every game, especially when Martin is dominating. Cotch Kicked a very important goal too.
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Hahaha calm down mate. The captain doesn't have to get 30 disposals every game, especially when Martin is dominating. Cotch Kicked a very important goal too.
Worst game he's played. I think he's still having a bye.
He had to kick that goal because he's done nothing but turn the ball over. He also ducked into the tackle & got a very soft free kick when Thomas does it we call him a cheat.
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Doesn't matter how he gets it, all about kicking the goal.
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12 disp. 8 effective
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God we have some fools on this forum
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God we have some fools on this forum
You like captains game tonight Chucky?
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God we have some fools on this forum
You like captains game tonight Chucky?
He can't get the three votes every week and he is doing the hard work of an inside mid tonight
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Chuck is right.
Half a dozen of our B Graders were absolutely hopeless tonight. Last month they've been very good.
Edwards
Grigg
Griffiths
Houli
Hunt
Vlastuin
All couldn't get their game going and we're well beaten. Add the fact that Maric was smashed, we haven't lost because of Cotchin's output.
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Edwards probably played his worst for the year, nothing went into his sticky fingers as would normally be the case. Really had no spark other than Dusty tonight and with our disposal being so poor we were continually chasing tail after being turned around. Really dont understand how our disposal efficiency can go down to such a level in the space of a couple of weeks.
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I'm calling it exactly how I saw it and he was embarrassingly terrible and should be ashamed in his performance tonight. He was lazy and slow. Maybe he was ill I don't know but no excuses for that rubbish effort IMO.
....."With great power comes great responsibility"
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once tonight. titch was about to take it deep forward from a center clearance
but Cotch demanded it.
Cotchin was behind Titch but wanted the ball.
He got it and stuffed it up.
THIS I get concerned with.
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LMAO.
Cotch had a bad game but people defend it with a list of second rate players that had a bad game?
No cotch wasnt alone, and you could also add deledio to the list of below par games too, but it doesnt change that the output was way below what our captain is capable of - way below.
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Goal before half time was a great captain's goal but the remainder of his game was extremely poor
When we needed him to really stand up in the first 15 minutes in the 3rd and drag his team out of the mire he was MIA
As posted on another thread our leaders were shocking last night and Cotchin as head honcho in the leadership side of things deserves every whack coming his way he was terrible
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Poor Cotchin
Plays a good game but misses the captains goal? Hack
Plays a poor game but chimes in with a captains goal? Hack
Was it a good game? No.
But I feel people are expecting Cotchin to do it all
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Poor Cotchin
Plays a good game but misses the captains goal? Hack
Plays a poor game but chimes in with a captains goal? Hack
Was it a good game? No.
But I feel people are expecting Cotchin to do it all
He's not a kid anymore.
When the team isn't performing to standard it SHOULD always be the captain that wills them back to playing competitive team football demanding more from his teammates when the chips are down.
He should never be completely alone in this as all the leaders should be lifting and demanding more from playing by example and there exploits out on the field should reflect this.
Last night Cotchin looked like he was out of pace with the game, Reiwoldt looked lethargic, Maric looked old, Deledio looked unfit and Chaplin was at his fumbly best so Cotch wasn't alone in setting the standard of mediocrity.
Where was the "Richmond Way"?
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Poor Cotchin
Plays a good game but misses the captains goal? Hack
Plays a poor game but chimes in with a captains goal? Hack
Was it a good game? No.
But I feel people are expecting Cotchin to do it all
Too lenient Yeahright.
Hodge, Selwood, McVeigh, Pendlebury ring any bells.
Cotch was very quiet last night by his standards and those we expect if him to attain also weekly.
BTW Tigeritis this was the other Richmond way. The round 1-6 way.
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Poor Cotchin
Plays a good game but misses the captains goal? Hack
Plays a poor game but chimes in with a captains goal? Hack
Was it a good game? No.
But I feel people are expecting Cotchin to do it all
Too lenient Yeahright.
Hodge, Selwood, McVeigh, Pendlebury ring any bells.
Cotch was very quiet last night by his standards and those we expect if him to attain also weekly.
BTW Tigeritis this was the other Richmond way. The round 1-6 way.
My post was more a reflection of how people have treated him the past ~2 years not so much last night. He was poor last night as I said and should do better.
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Poor Cotchin
Plays a good game but misses the captains goal? Hack
Plays a poor game but chimes in with a captains goal? Hack
Was it a good game? No.
But I feel people are expecting Cotchin to do it all
He's not a kid anymore.
When the team isn't performing to standard it SHOULD always be the captain that wills them back to playing competitive team football demanding more from his teammates when the chips are down.
He should never be completely alone in this as all the leaders should be lifting and demanding more from playing by example and there exploits out on the field should reflect this.
Last night Cotchin looked like he was out of pace with the game, Reiwoldt looked lethargic, Maric looked old, Deledio looked unfit and Chaplin was at his fumbly best so Cotch wasn't alone in setting the standard of mediocrity.
Where was the "Richmond Way"?
I thought some of your earlier comments were a bit over the top but i agree with this.
plus you get bonus points for knowing the difference between he's and his!
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Nowhere last night. We really needed someone to stand up in the clinches and he couldn't do it. Disappointing.
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Poor Cotchin
Plays a good game but misses the captains goal? Hack
Plays a poor game but chimes in with a captains goal? Hack
Was it a good game? No.
But I feel people are expecting Cotchin to do it all
Too lenient Yeahright.
Hodge, Selwood, McVeigh, Pendlebury ring any bells.
Cotch was very quiet last night by his standards and those we expect if him to attain also weekly.
BTW Tigeritis this was the other Richmond way. The round 1-6 way.
hawthorn, geelong, sydney have had much stronger, or do have, sides than richmond
looks at the worse six players in those teams. now look at worst six in cotchins team
:whistle
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Yep - those other stars all actually have team mates who block, shepherd, run hard & create options for them and generally give them chop outs - something that Cotchin's rarely had.
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Goal before half time was a great captain's goal but the remainder of his game was extremely poor
When we needed him to really stand up in the first 15 minutes in the 3rd and drag his team out of the mire he was MIA
As posted on another thread our leaders were shocking last night and Cotchin as head honcho in the leadership side of things deserves every whack coming his way he was terrible
Every time we loose without fail you blame the leaders. It's a really simplistic way of looking at things..
Cotch was down last night and so were most of the others. Cotch is the captain he is not a miracle worker. If our best 5 or 6 don't play well we loose. What about the other meatheads pick up the slack occasionally. It amazes me we win as many as we do with the lack of involvement from a 1/3 of the side most weeks. Footy is a team game and if you are a good side you share the load over 22 players. Not 5 or 6 "leaders"
The other thing that gets me when you question the leaders is other than the way they play, how else do you judge them? You don't know what is being said or what their rolls are on the day. What they have done in the lead up, nothing! All you can actually judge their leadership on is their form. Like a said it's really simplistic and naive way of looking at it.
Cotch is unlucky for the fact he is close to our best player if not our best. His leadership wouldn't be questioned every time we lost if he was a Domenic Cassisi type captain.
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what do mean by a Domenic Cassisi type captain?
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like newman or vanderburg
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ah, now that clarifies things completely.
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Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
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So a player has a bad game. Get over it everyone. There were alot of players down & some stupid things done that cost goals. :gotigers
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His game comparatively speaking wasnt even that bad, would put all the below behind him
Grigg Hunt McIntosh Griffiths Batchelor Morris Riewoldt Maric Vickery Edwards CEllis Mendaue
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Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
Good post. Spot on.
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I thought edwards was okay. Didn't get a lot of it but when he did he used them well
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Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
Agree
But the Hawks also have outstanding leaders. Even Clarkson has said Hodge is like a coach out on the field. He has great ability to drag his team along when needed.
It's no coincidence that the top sides have strong leadership
You mention Lids? He is our Vice Capt, and he went missing last night as did the entire leadership group.
That's why I keeping banging on about our leaders going missing at crucial times, in big games. They need to take the next step in their leadership to enable us to take the next step as a team.
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Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
Agree
But the Hawks also have outstanding leaders. Even Clarkson has said Hodge is like a coach out on the field. He has great ability to drag his team along when needed.
It's no coincidence that the top sides have strong leadership
You mention Lids? He is our Vice Capt, and he went missing last night as did the entire leadership group.
That's why I keeping banging on about our leaders going missing at crucial times, in big games. They need to take the next step in their leadership to enable us to take the next step as a team.
The entire side went missing last night! Blaming just the leaders is stupid. Going on what you say, if a leader, Cotch or Lids has a bad game, they have failed as a leader?
As I said before it's such a simplistic way to judge leadership
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Deledio
24 possession from the forward line
8 marks several contested
1 goal
5 tackles
3 inside 50
Playing with injury question marks. There are obvious problems with the club, bigger problems than cotchin and deledio
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Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
fair point, but why then single out two other individuals? There was probably only two or three players who could hold their head high Friday night.
Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
Agree
But the Hawks also have outstanding leaders. Even Clarkson has said Hodge is like a coach out on the field. He has great ability to drag his team along when needed.
It's no coincidence that the top sides have strong leadership
You mention Lids? He is our Vice Capt, and he went missing last night as did the entire leadership group.
That's why I keeping banging on about our leaders going missing at crucial times, in big games. They need to take the next step in their leadership to enable us to take the next step as a team.
The entire side went missing last night! Blaming just the leaders is stupid. Going on what you say, if a leader, Cotch or Lids has a bad game, they have failed as a leader?
As I said before it's such a simplistic way to judge leadership
I dont think anyone is blaming the leaders, but surely they are the ones that you expect to stand up when the chips are down, isn't that why they are leaders, they are supposed to lead the way, set the example?
Isnt that what you meant with the Dominick Cassisi type comment, someone that constantly plays well despite what those around him are doing?
Otherwise they are just a follower.
I will never understand how people can accept a D grade performance from an A grade player, but get stuck into the B and C graders for their D grade performance.
Personally, i want players to strive to always be their best ( Yeah i understand it wont always happen that they always perform to their absolute best) and when someone who has set the bar as high as Cotchin has dishes up such a poor performance, criticism is warranted.
I dont subscribe to the school of thought that just because he is so naturally talented he should be absolved of scrutiny when he dishes up something so far below what he capable of. The exact opposite in fact, particularly when he is captain.
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Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
fair point, but why then single out two other individuals? There was probably only two or three players who could hold their head high Friday night.
Good times don't rely on one player
Hawks hsd roughy and Gunston have no goals Thursday
Guess what. 13 others stepped up to the plate
Dusty player his part but Grigg Edwards lids how did they go?
Agree
But the Hawks also have outstanding leaders. Even Clarkson has said Hodge is like a coach out on the field. He has great ability to drag his team along when needed.
It's no coincidence that the top sides have strong leadership
You mention Lids? He is our Vice Capt, and he went missing last night as did the entire leadership group.
That's why I keeping banging on about our leaders going missing at crucial times, in big games. They need to take the next step in their leadership to enable us to take the next step as a team.
The entire side went missing last night! Blaming just the leaders is stupid. Going on what you say, if a leader, Cotch or Lids has a bad game, they have failed as a leader?
As I said before it's such a simplistic way to judge leadership
I dont think anyone is blaming the leaders, but surely they are the ones that you expect to stand up when the chips are down, isn't that why they are leaders, they are supposed to lead the way, set the example?
Isnt that what you meant with the Dominick Cassisi type comment, someone that constantly plays well despite what those around him are doing?
Otherwise they are just a follower.
I will never understand how people can accept a D grade performance from an A grade player, but get stuck into the B and C graders for their D grade performance.
Personally, i want players to strive to always be their best ( Yeah i understand it wont always happen that they always perform to their absolute best) and when someone who has set the bar as high as Cotchin has dishes up such a poor performance, criticism is warranted.
I dont subscribe to the school of thought that just because he is so naturally talented he should be absolved of scrutiny when he dishes up something so far below what he capable of. The exact opposite in fact, particularly when he is captain.
You totally missed the mark with the Dom Cassisi reference. But don't worry about it.
On Cotch I'm not saying don't criticize or cratique his proformances but a bad game doesn't always mean he failed as being a leader. Just because a club picks you as the captain of the club doesn't mean every under par game means he has failed the club.
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so i ask again what was the meaning of the cassisi comment?
who is saying cotch has failed the club?
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Deledio
24 possession from the forward line
8 marks several contested
1 goal
5 tackles
3 inside 50
Playing with injury question marks. There are obvious problems with the club, bigger problems than cotchin and deledio
And 13 contested possessions the most of any RFC player on the ground. Wasn't his best game by any measure but wouldn't of had him too far behind Dusty and Miles..
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Oh
My
God
:bow
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Oh
My
God
:bow
He's playing a true captains game.
This is how it should always be and expect nothing less.
Bloody awesome.
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Always has it's just the fair weather supporters need a target
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his 3rd qtr was huge
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He & Martin single-handedly got us back into it. (or is that double -handedly?)
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his 3rd qtr was huge
That goal got the ball rolling and he was relentless. :thumbsup
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Like Michael voss on peptides
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THAT goal that sparked the turnaround ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-26/round-13-cotchin-kicks-a-cracker
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Always has it's just the fair weather supporters need a target
Reckon Cotch would disagree with that himself, said so last week.
:shh
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THAT goal that sparked the turnaround ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-26/round-13-cotchin-kicks-a-cracker
Given the context of the game, and i know i am 100% biased, should be a goal if the year candidate
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Cotch has grown in spades as a leader this year.
Taking responsibility in the press conference this week for a poor performance and shoe horsing himself into last nights game like a fat lady's foot into a stiletto were acts of leadership
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Always has it's just the fair weather supporters need a target
Reckon Cotch would disagree with that himself, said so last week.
:shh
Yep and in the 2nd half he delivered in spades
Well done Cotch
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Always has it's just the fair weather supporters need a target
Reckon Cotch would disagree with that himself, said so last week.
:shh
Yep and in the 2nd half he delivered in spades
Well done Cotch
exactly, couldn't ask for more from the captain.
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Cotch has grown in spades as a leader this year.
Taking responsibility in the press conference this week for a poor performance and shoe horsing himself into last nights game like a fat lady's foot into a stiletto were acts of leadership
:yep
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THAT goal that sparked the turnaround ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-26/round-13-cotchin-kicks-a-cracker
Given the context of the game, and i know i am 100% biased, should be a goal if the year candidate
If Lloyd can win for a stuipid backheel then Cotchin should pee it in.....
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Goal of the year.
Assist of the year to jack, off the deck as well.
Let's not start getting carried away just yet.
He needs to bring this every week.
Every quarter.
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Cotch is a humble guy and even though he disagreed in the post match interview that goal he kicked when he was manhandled on the deck ignited something in the rest of the team and got us not only back in the game but across the line. deserves 10 votes from the coaches
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Always has it's just the fair weather supporters need a target
Reckon Cotch would disagree with that himself, said so last week.
:shh
What else is he going to say?
I'm a gun and a jet. Go me?
He is humble
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I say that all the time.
People don't listen
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I say that all the time.
People don't listen
I'm listening.
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THAT goal that sparked the turnaround ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-26/round-13-cotchin-kicks-a-cracker
Given the context of the game, and i know i am 100% biased, should be a goal if the year candidate
If Lloyd can win for a stuipid backheel then Cotchin should pee it in.....
Dennis Confetti said NADA, He probably doesn't even know who Cotchin is.
If Buddy or Goodes had kicked it they would put up a bronze statue somewhere,
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The assist to jack, while he was under another pack was just as good.
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THAT goal that sparked the turnaround ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-26/round-13-cotchin-kicks-a-cracker
Given the context of the game, and i know i am 100% biased, should be a goal if the year candidate
If Lloyd can win for a stuipid backheel then Cotchin should pee it in.....
Dennis Confetti said NADA, He probably doesn't even know who Cotchin is.
If Buddy or Goodes had kicked it they would put up a bronze statue somewhere,
:snidegrin
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:bow
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Got us the points today :thumbsup
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Pulled his finger out eventually
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One of the rare few who played well over most of the game and not just in the last quarter.
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That goal in the 4th was a ripper.
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One of the rare few who played well over most of the game and not just in the last quarter.
Well said, played well all day.
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Pulled his finger out eventually
This is just a dumb and negative post.
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Huge numbers today but most importantly kicked that captain's goal in the last.
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He's leading.
Good.
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Still can't get over the third quarter last week
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anyone got footage of the incident?? Blues would be licking their lips at cotchin/maric out and hammer in combo
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Has nothing to worry about. What a legit attempt to spoil. 50m penalty is enough.
Especially if Tippet only gets 1 for elbowing Grimes in the face.
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Cotch made Robbo's "likes" column today ...
8. COTCH:
Gee, he loves the second halves, doesn’t he? He stepped up against the Swans the week before and did it again on a Saturday on a dreary day for football. He’s back to 2012 form, when he was second in the Brownlow Medal. Cotchin is an inspiring leader. He wins the hard ball, he throws his body at contests and is moving the ball forward with greater penetration. There were others to like, such as Rance, Riewoldt, Miles, Houli and the classy Shane Edwards, but it was the captain for mine who deserved the votes.
http://www.news.com.au/national/phil-walsh-tributes-gary-abletts-return-and-more-in-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes/story-e6frfkp9-1227430094521
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Trent Cotchin could become one of Richmond’s greatest captains, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick says
Lauren Wood
Herald-Sun
July 09, 2015 8:00PM
TRENT Cotchin could eventually be one of Richmond’s greatest captains, coach Damien Hardwick says.
Cotchin, 25, has earned the plaudits of his teammates and coach alike this week after back-to-back starring roles in Richmond wins against Sydney and GWS.
His emergence this season as one of the game’s top leaders hasn’t surprised former Richmond captain Kane Johnson.
If anything, it validates his initial impressions of a young man he describes as being “different” to the average 18-year-old draftee when he landed at Punt Rd.
Johnson met a 16-year-old Cotchin on a pre-season camp, where the fresh-faced kid took the club by storm, winning training games against experienced players. Once drafted, at pick two in the 2007 national draft, Cotchin set up a room in his then-captain’s home.
“You knew he was a lot different to any other kid that had come down to the club before,” Johnson told the Herald Sun.
“It wasn’t just about his football talents, which were pretty obvious with the way he went about things, but he was just way more mature than any other 18-year-old.
“You didn’t need to worry about him too much in terms of off-field or anything like that, and his skill level was really good. You just needed to support him where you could, and he’d come and talk to you if he needed to have a chat.”
Johnson retired at the end of 2008, having played 220 games at Richmond and Adelaide, and had one of those chats with Cotchin when he was appointed captain at the start of the 2013 season.
He said the results of plenty of hard work were starting to show, and are just reward.
“The main thing I mentioned to him was try to be yourself,” Johnson said. “Just be patient and just try to play good football.
“That’s half the battle, and if you look at this year, he’s actually playing his best football as a leader. He’s standing up at the right times and the whole club looks like it’s maturing.
“He’s got good support now with Brett Deledio and Jack Riewoldt and all of those leaders standing up and supporting him. It seems like the time’s right and all of the work that they’ve done is starting to come to the fore.
“You’ve been able to tell that they’ve been getting better each (year) and the age group’s right, he’s 25, Brett Deledio’s 28 — they’re all at that right age, and Dimma’s been there five or six years and they’ve been really secure and steady in the group that’s been around, and that has to pay off at some stage.”
Hardwick says the performance of Cotchin over the last fortnight, leading the club to wins over Sydney and Greater Western Sydney respectively, hasn’t gone unnoticed, with his shift into a higher gear evident.
The skipper has come into his own, he says, and could have what it takes to be one of the Tigers’ best leaders.
“There’s a reason we made him captain,” Hardwick said yesterday.
“The way he leads by example both on and off the field has been profound, and he’s only going to continue to grow in that role, as all good leaders do.
“We’re really impressed with what he’s been able to offer and we’re really excited about what he can continue to offer.”
Hardwick believes there’s better to come from the midfielder.
“He was captain at a relatively young age for a player of his ilk, and we expect him to improve every year,” he said.
“He’s still got some work in areas that we’re continuing to develop him in, as we are with me as coach and our football staff overall.
“He’s been fantastic, and the best thing about Trent is when he leads, he leads by example, so we’ve been really impressed.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-could-become-one-of-richmonds-greatest-captains-tigers-coach-damien-hardwick-says/story-fndv8t7m-1227435584044
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Premature adulation. :snidegrin
......lead us to finals success first.
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Chris Newman could play 500 games.
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Lets hope his second half is better than his first because his disposal efficiency was way down that half.
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Up into the top 10 of the coaches' votes ...
AFLCA Player of the Year Award leaderboard
100 - Nat Fyfe (Fremantle)
75 - Dan Hannebery (Swans)
55 - Andrew Gaff (West Coast)
55 - Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
52 - David Armitage (St Kilda)
52 - Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne)
50 - Matt Priddis (West Coast)
49 - Dayne Beams (Lions)
49 - Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
49 - Josh Kennedy (Swans)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-13/aflca-votes-round-15
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The only mention we got on Footy Classified last night was about Cotch playing more aggressively lately.
@FootyClassified #GoodCallBadCall ...
"Trent Cotchin has reshaped himself into his father-in-law (Rick Kennedy) - good call, bad call?[/i]
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified
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I don't get the stick chimp cops, ... at the end of the day he is 1 / 22 , fact
Even his worse is still pretty handy
If you look at this third 1/4 about a month ago, that's border line superhuman. One cannot expect that weekly and be reasonable. If so, he be a long way ahead rance ,fyfe , on those metrics
Two post above it says he's 8th bat, according to coaches. Plus he poos on priddis, beams , gaff, armiage ...
I happy to admit -/ Kennedy a gun, Goldstein a gun, penders not bad, fyfe, decent
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His misses are costly, like it is for every other player that missed on Saturday and to lose by two points proves how costly it is. I don't think it's unfair to expect better kicking from our captain. We don't expect him to nail every shot but as stated he missed a fairly easy snap and missed EVERYTHING on a fairly easy set shot. If he hit one of those it may be a different story, but its just a recurring theme every week. Everyone is getting criticism and the captain is not above getting some as well.
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stuff it that was a load of old bollocks...
Butterfly wings, people, butterfly wings....or something...
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Trent....you must start kicking goals mate, this is the only thing letting you down!!! Captains and midfielders need to kick goals, particularly when you have as many shots as you do.
Gee that was way back then..... :o
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Wonder how many of people jumping on Cotchin for supposedly costing us matches with his poor goalkicking at the same time regard Richo as a sacred cow above any criticism? Just sayin'....
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Was excellent last night
More of it please
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Cracks in doesn't he
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His intensity and ferociousness at the contest this season has gone to another level - got a bit of mongrel in his game now - love it leads by example (just sharpen up the kicking for goal cap!)
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The media are now in full praise of Cotch as our captain after bagging him in recent years. Carey tonight said Cotchin has gone from being an accumulator to being a real leader, a matchwinner and a captain with a team focus. Over the past two months, Cotch hasn't been afraid to thrown his weight around within the rules to stamp himself on the game.
Cotch is also back to equal-8th in the coaches' votes:
AFLCA Player of the Year leaderboard
100 - Nat Fyfe (Fremantle)
85 - Dan Hannebery (Sydney Swans)
65 - Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne)
65 - Matt Priddis (West Coast)
60 - Andrew Gaff (West Coast)
56 - David Mundy (Fremantle)
55 - Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
53 - David Armitage (St Kilda)
53 - Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
53 - Josh Kennedy (Sydney Swans)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-03/aflca-votes-round-18
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Best player I've ever seen pull on the jumper for the Tiges, and Friday night, I felt, was in his top 5 ever performances.
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The media are now in full praise of Cotch as our captain after bagging him in recent years. Carey tonight said Cotchin has gone from being an accumulator to being a real leader, a matchwinner and a captain with a team focus. Over the past two months, Cotch hasn't been afraid to thrown his weight around within the rules to stamp himself on the game.
Cotch is also back to equal-8th in the coaches' votes:
AFLCA Player of the Year leaderboard
100 - Nat Fyfe (Fremantle)
85 - Dan Hannebery (Sydney Swans)
65 - Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne)
65 - Matt Priddis (West Coast)
60 - Andrew Gaff (West Coast)
56 - David Mundy (Fremantle)
55 - Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
53 - David Armitage (St Kilda)
53 - Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
53 - Josh Kennedy (Sydney Swans)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-03/aflca-votes-round-18
It's funny, some still question his leadership on a weekly basis. But mostly when we lose. :wallywink
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Just glad he doesn't play against us.
Gun!
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Cotch stood out at junior level as well. I watched him a few times in the U18s and he was a class above his peers even back then. Thankfully Carlton went for Kreuzer ahead of us and we finally had learnt to not to get sucked into drafting anymore flashy outside flankers. Cale Morton was seen as a top 4 pick leading to the 2007 National Draft and had also been linked to us :help.
Best player I've ever seen pull on the jumper for the Tiges, and Friday night, I felt, was in his top 5 ever performances.
Yep, best player to pull on a Tiger jumper in the AFL era. My top 5 in the AFL era would be Cotch, Knights, Richo, Lids & Rance.
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Cotch stood out at junior level as well. I watched him a few times in the U18s and he was a class above his peers even back then. Thankfully Carlton went for Kreuzer ahead of us and we finally had learnt to not to get sucked into drafting anymore flashy outside flankers. Cale Morton was seen as a top 4 pick leading to the 2007 National Draft and had also been linked to us :help.
Best player I've ever seen pull on the jumper for the Tiges, and Friday night, I felt, was in his top 5 ever performances.
Yep, best player to pull on a Tiger jumper in the AFL era. My top 5 in the AFL era would be Cotch, Knights, Richo, Lids & Rance.
Oh wow, can you imagine? We'd actually be in worse state than Melbourne, doubt the AFL would pay for Paul Roos to coach us (nor would he want to).
Soup Campbell didn't get a gig? Joel Bowden also stiff, but I agree. I never saw Hogg play so can't tell if he was in their class.
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I still can't get over that third quarter a while back when he went god mode
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I still can't get over that third quarter a while back when he went god mode
The Sydney game?
He was unbelievable in the third. One of the best quarters I can remember from a tiger.
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Cotch stood out at junior level as well. I watched him a few times in the U18s and he was a class above his peers even back then. Thankfully Carlton went for Kreuzer ahead of us and we finally had learnt to not to get sucked into drafting anymore flashy outside flankers. Cale Morton was seen as a top 4 pick leading to the 2007 National Draft and had also been linked to us :help.
Best player I've ever seen pull on the jumper for the Tiges, and Friday night, I felt, was in his top 5 ever performances.
Yep, best player to pull on a Tiger jumper in the AFL era. My top 5 in the AFL era would be Cotch, Knights, Richo, Lids & Rance.
Oh wow, can you imagine? We'd actually be in worse state than Melbourne, doubt the AFL would pay for Paul Roos to coach us (nor would he want to).
Soup Campbell didn't get a gig? Joel Bowden also stiff, but I agree. I never saw Hogg play so can't tell if he was in their class.
Knights was more damaging and was a cleaner kick than Cotchin.
Hogg was good but not top 5 that's for sure. Pretty one dimensional and even as a lead up fwd he lived in the shadow of other key fwds at the time.
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Campbell> Bowden but neither top 5. Pickering was better than Bowden.
Would like to tender the names Weightman, Roach and Rioli if era permits
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I still can't get over that third quarter a while back when he went god mode
The Sydney game?
He was unbelievable in the third. One of the best quarters I can remember from a tiger.
Yep best quarter of footy he has played since becoming captain
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Go son!
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I still can't get over that third quarter a while back when he went god mode
The Sydney game?
He was unbelievable in the third. One of the best quarters I can remember from a tiger.
Yep best quarter of footy he has played since becoming captain
Like Voss on turbo chargers
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I've become a true believer in Trent Cotchin this past 11 weeks. That dude from leading teams has appeared to work miracles with him. His intent toward the Hawks leadership group was awesome.
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Finally has a few blokes helping him out on a regular basis like all the other great leaders and matchwinners have always had.
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Worst game ever :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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failed again in a final :thumbsdown
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9 disposals.
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Disgusting.
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Injured lads.
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Would be hurting today. Was tagged heavily. Shame our idiot coaches can't effect the game in the same way with Brent Harvey.
Idiots
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Would be hurting today. Was tagged heavily. Shame our idiot coaches can't effect the game in the same way with Brent Harvey.
Idiots
your not comparing apples to apples. you need to compare the impact of Harvey to cotchin or Harvey to Deledio. Ours were no where today.
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9 disposals
Disgusting >:(
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Did Trent play ?
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Worst performance of his career.
Last winning the toss year kicking against the wind away from home.
This year 9 touches.
Next year relinquishing the captaincy and handing it back to Newman.
Terrible performance. Unaccetable. :-\
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Poor is an understatement. Has been great this year but along with Lids & Martin, the worst performance of the year in the biggest game.
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If he hadn't tossed the coin I wouldn't have realised he played today.... :whistle
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Was on the best tagger in comp.
We did nothing to change it. Nothing. I think Cotch may need to hand over captaincy. It truly is a curse. Give it to Chaplin. Can't get any worse.
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Terrible
I know he was tagged but please, no excuse
When our 3 best players are collectively woeful, we don't have a chance
Shows how reliant on them we remain
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Agree WP. We stink of Carlton 5 years ago. Huge reliance on Lids, Cotch and Martin just like Judd Murphy and Gibbs. Never went deep in final.
We need more midfield quality. Bleeding you obvious. Need to be a huge off field season for us. Have to land an elite mid. Have to.
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Cotchin is soft. There's no doubt now
You have achieved nothing unless you can perform in finals games and he is now 0-3 in finals and his performances have bee below par in all of them, I include the 2013 finals debacle. :banghead
Needs to learn how to break a tag and do it consistently. He has completely lost all my respect today.
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Cotchin is soft. There's no doubt now
You have achieved nothing unless you can perform in finals games and he is now 0-3 in finals and his performances have bee below par in all of them, I include the 2013 finals debacle. :banghead
Needs to learn how to break a tag and do it consistently. He has completely lost all my respect today.
I don't think he gives a poo and I would say most posters on here don't give a poo either
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The fish rots at the head. :-\
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Leaders stand up. Cotch doesn't.
Last time a captain of an afl side had less than 10 possessions in a finals game??????
Only at Richmond. North couldn't celieve their luck.
Cotch has more weapons than his tagger, but wasn't good enough when he should have been.
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Leaders stand up. Cotch doesn't.
Last time a captain of an afl side had less than 10 possessions in a finals game??????
Only at Richmond. North couldn't celieve their luck.
Cotch has more weapons than his tagger, but wasn't good enough when he should have been.
Yeah can't wait for him to kick 5 against the bottom side like he did against St Kilda last year.
That'll get the f tards out of their seats.
Only for him to miss critical set shots from 35 at critical times in critical games. Freo, Geelong, Melbourne all ring a bell. We lost all 3.
Richmond footy club. The AFL downhill skiers. Round 1-23 Pierre Zubriggen.
Come finals we are Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards. The joke is on us.
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BREAKING NEWS!
Cops have Swarmed the MCG today after the Richmond v North Melbourne game.
Detective Constable James said that they have deployed a search party in search of Richmond Tigers Captain Trent Cotchin.
Last seen around 3.10pm in the teams changerooms...
Any information, please comment below.
https://www.facebook.com/AflTradeRumours?fref=ts
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If Cotch isn't the captain we need then who is? Going through the leadership group at present isn't all that inspiring - Lids? - nope. Chappy? - nope! Jack? - maybe, certainly stood up today, but probably no. Ivan? - Is the most inspiring leader we have but I think he's past his best. Morris? - not while playing seconds ...
Is it time to look at a young gun?
Vlaustin?
Dusty? Wow, I even surprised myself then ... powerful player though ...
Rance? Deserves it, but I think its hard to captain from full back ...
Miles? Could be the first to come off the rookie list to rise to captain ...
I'm running dry ... & that's the problem! Who would do better than Cotch? Anybody? :help
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I like the idea of a backman or forward as captain. Leaves the mids to just do their job. Cotch should and wojld play inspiring footy regardless whether he's captain and ever since he's had the role it's almost like it's been too much for him.
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Miles? Could be the first to come off the rookie list to rise to captain ...
Wouldn't be the first
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Agree WP. We stink of Carlton 5 years ago. Huge reliance on Lids, Cotch and Martin just like Judd Murphy and Gibbs. Never went deep in final.
We need more midfield quality. Bleeding you obvious. Need to be a huge off field season for us. Have to land an elite mid. Have to.
This is true. We are like Carlton under Ratten. Inside the 4 walls they thought they were close ... ie with all their slogans about them coming and stuff but in effect they were no where and now they are finished. We are on the precipice. We either bring in big name players to break this cycle of finals losses or we must be prepared to go back to the bottom and start again.
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If Cotch isn't the captain we need then who is? Going through the leadership group at present isn't all that inspiring - Lids? - nope. Chappy? - nope! Jack? - maybe, certainly stood up today, but probably no. Ivan? - Is the most inspiring leader we have but I think he's past his best. Morris? - not while playing seconds ...
Is it time to look at a young gun?
Vlaustin?
Dusty? Wow, I even surprised myself then ... powerful player though ...
Rance? Deserves it, but I think its hard to captain from full back ...
Miles? Could be the first to come off the rookie list to rise to captain ...
I'm running dry ... & that's the problem! Who would do better than Cotch? Anybody? :help
Jack isn't even in the leadership group hasn't been for 2 seasons
Up until yesterday I'd have said Vlaustin, be his decision making yesterday was almost as horrid as his disposal. Choked on the big stage so now too many question marks
rance is the obvious one but based on his 2 finals with us - Miles is now certainly an option
But end of the day we can throw up whoever we like but there wont' be any change....
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Trent was groomed for way too long for the club to do anything about it now
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Jack should be vice captain. Has balls and passion. A bit of ego is actually a good thing too.
Don't know if Mile's has the voice
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Jack should be vice captain. Has balls and passion. A bit of ego is actually a good thing too.
Don't know if Mile's has the voice
what difference do you expect it will make ?
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Jack should be vice captain. Has balls and passion. A bit of ego is actually a good thing too.
Don't know if Mile's has the voice
what difference do you expect it will make ?
Having a better, more inspiring captain can make a difference in a number of ways that i'm sure you are clever enough to work out. Might actually allow Cotch to be a better player too.
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Jack should be vice captain. Has balls and passion. A bit of ego is actually a good thing too.
Don't know if Mile's has the voice
what difference do you expect it will make ?
Having a better, more inspiring captain can make a difference in a number of ways that i'm sure you are clever enough to work out. Might actually allow Cotch to be a better player too.
rance is inspiring
naming he captain will not change anything
i really dont see how in reality it will make a difference
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Trent has been good most of the year but had a shocker, its not his first and wont be he last, all players have them.
Dimma made some comments about players sometimes having to fight their own battles and to a extent I agree but I do think yesterday he could of been given more of a hand. There are many things that could of been tried to help break the tag that I didnt see.
1. Send him deep and "one out" into the foward line. A hard tag is not so effective "one out" in that zone.
2. Send him to match up on one of their mids. Three players running around together leaves us with a free mid and I have seen that may times break a tag.
3. Send him to man up on the loose man they had in our foward line, again three running around together.
4. Dont couple him at bounces with see ball get ball types (Miles, Lambert). You need a different type of player in there to block for him as well as the bottom of the pack types. This though is not so effective when you are roving to the opp ruckman.
I dont know if a captian has the licence to try these sorts of things himself (doubt it) so trying these things probably not a failure of Trent, more so of the coaches box.
There are many reasons we lost yesterday, Trent having a shocker was only one of them. When I get a chance to watch it all again I MIGHT post a full list of reasons I think we lost. No point posting much when its all so emotional atm.
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Trent has been good most of the year but had a shocker, its not his first and wont be he last, all players have them.
Dimma made some comments about players sometimes having to fight their own battles and to a extent I agree but I do think yesterday he could of been given more of a hand. There are many things that could of been tried to help break the tag that I didnt see.
1. Send him deep and "one out" into the foward line. A hard tag is not so effective "one out" in that zone.
2. Send him to match up on one of their mids. Three players running around together leaves us with a free mid and I have seen that may times break a tag.
3. Send him to man up on the loose man they had in our foward line, again three running around together.
4. Dont couple him at bounces with see ball get ball types (Miles, Lambert). You need a different type of player in there to block for him as well as the bottom of the pack types. This though is not so effective when you are roving to the opp ruckman.
I dont know if a captian has the licence to try these sorts of things himself (doubt it) so trying these things probably not a failure of Trent, more so of the coaches box.
There are many reasons we lost yesterday, Trent having a shocker was only one of them. When I get a chance to watch it all again I MIGHT post a full list of reasons I think we lost. No point posting much when its all so emotional atm.
great post
especially #1
i cant understand why he wasn't sent to FF
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I agree Dimma could have tried something to help him out, but saying 'he had a shocker' is letting him off way too lightly.
That is the third final in a row where he has failed to impose himself.
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I agree Dimma could have tried something to help him out, but saying 'he had a shocker' is letting him off way too lightly.
That is the third final in a row where he has failed to impose himself.
is he playing hurt?
why wasnt he rested last week?
:whistle
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I agree Dimma could have tried something to help him out, but saying 'he had a shocker' is letting him off way too lightly.
That is the third final in a row where he has failed to impose himself.
I think you will find he had the most of the ball for us in 2013 against Carlton. That said he hasnt "imposed" himself like we know he can and the way we have seen him do in other games. This is a concern but is ONLY ONE of the many reasons we lost yesterday. As I said its all to emotional and volitile to really get into in depth and logical reasoning atm. Its a team game and that team is more than the 22 on the selection sheet. Trent is far from the worst of the problems.
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People can rubbish Trent Cotchin all they want. But lets give some credit to the players who tag him & get the job done. Yep he was beaten in a main game & it won't be his last. But how many times have we heard Cotchin cutting up teams & being best afield.
Yes Dimma needs to help our players out when they are heavily tagged & Cotch was not the only one who failed to break tags yesterday.
BUT BUT.
A midfielder can not perform at his best if your ruckman is tapping that ball straight to your opposition, & this happened many times yesterday with our ruckmen at bounces. We were simply killed by their ruck & midfielders.
Give Cotch a break. IMO he was carrying some sort of injury just watching him. It's over & we move on.
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NORTH Melbourne tagger Ben Jacobs has revealed he required a hospital check-up two days before shutting down Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin in Sunday's elimination final.
Jacobs suffered a bad case of gastro in the week leading up to the final that left him unable to train and even prompted a hospital visit on Thursday.
The 23-year-old lost between three and four kilograms due to the illness but still managed to keep Cotchin to just nine possessions in a performance that was a key factor in the Kangaroos' 17-point win on Sunday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-14/roo-ben-jacobs-defies-illness-to-shut-down-trent-cotchin :thumbsup
Eff me, surely there can't be any excuses for Cotch either he never turned up or the selection committee stuffed up big time by picking him (if the injury rumours are true)
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He's got a few credits in the bank ...
Hard wick has a history of playing people with injury ...
If you have a bad back it's not easy to play football. More so with some scrubber up your bottom for two hours...
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Get off his back.
It's over.
He's be feeling like poo.
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Lost me yesterday.
Still angry today.
I guess time can heal as he is a class player. Should have a Brownlow.
But until he can impose himself on a final/finals questions will rightly be asked.
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I thought about it and as much as we all love this pooful club, those guys would be closer to suicidal than us today.
Forced to accept they're not good enough.
Hard.
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It is champ. Failure is a bitter pill to swallow.
Realisation of that is worse after working towards and thinking you were good enough.
Club needs to make some hard decisions on off and on field personnel.
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Decision indeed, my friend.
The swinging axe is the only thing that can improve th club in any way.
Sack conca, Grigg,Ellis.chaplin and get four upgrades.
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NORTH Melbourne tagger Ben Jacobs has revealed he required a hospital check-up two days before shutting down Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin in Sunday's elimination final.
Jacobs suffered a bad case of gastro in the week leading up to the final that left him unable to train and even prompted a hospital visit on Thursday.
The 23-year-old lost between three and four kilograms due to the illness but still managed to keep Cotchin to just nine possessions in a performance that was a key factor in the Kangaroos' 17-point win on Sunday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-14/roo-ben-jacobs-defies-illness-to-shut-down-trent-cotchin :thumbsup
Eff me, surely there can't be any excuses for Cotch either he never turned up or the selection committee stuffed up big time by picking him (if the injury rumours are true)
It all makes sense now, Jacobs must have shat on him during the game. Everyone knows you can't even let one rip when you've got gastro.
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The Chosen Few 2 doco is on Ch 7 now. Interviews with most of the AFL captain including Cotch.
Feels the responsibility and expectation as captain. Would he have liked an extra year to find his own way before getting the gig? Yes and no.
Feels nervous before arriving at the AFL captains' day (in March). Not sure why. Out of interest, Tex Walker said the same thing although in fewer words lol.
Cotch said he was a straight shooter from early on when he arrived at the Club. The guys would call him "grandpa" even in his first year. Cotch reckoned he was too serious at times.
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Jon Ralph names the 10 AFL figures who must get it right this summer to help their side rise up the ladder in 2016
JON RALPH
Herald Sun
December 4, 2015
TRENT COTCHIN
If a coach has screamed louder at his players after a finals loss in my 15 years covering footy at the Herald Sun, it escapes the memory.
Damien Hardwick’s post-match rant came after Richmond’s midfield was disgraced against North Melbourne, losing the contested football count by 33, clearances by seven and disposals by 46.
To his eternal credit Trent Cotchin fronted up to the media after Ben Jacobs kept him to a career-worst nine possessions
“It starts at the top and with me. I let the boys down,’’ he said.
He will work on techniques to break tags over the summer but his midfield teammates shouldn’t leave it all up to him.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jon-ralph-names-the-10-afl-figures-who-must-get-it-right-this-summer-to-help-their-side-rise-up-the-ladder-in-2016/news-story/bcaff80682feb5749dd93311e78ddcaf
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Should play forward more
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Welcome Andrew Moore :bow
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Welcome Jacob Townsend :bow
e.f.a
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Welcome Jacob Townsend :bow
e.f.a
Would have gone Townsend but news of his bung ankle put me off.'
Moore = the new Jackson ;)
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Moore = the new Jackson ;)
He's going to be undisciplined and get reported a lot ;D
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:lol
and can't kick
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...and be a momentum killer...
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Retires in a public, selfish inappropriate times too
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Kevin Sheahan on SEN this morning:
"When we saw Cotchin coming through especially last year, he was the best midfield talent we have seen since Chris Judd".
If he played fwd 50% of the time he'd do some damage
Ideally, one would want the most dangerous players as close to the goals as possible
Chimp and Martin near the goal square would be a handful.
Lennon
Reiwoldt
Vickery
Rioli
Yarren
McBean
Deledio too if the back holds together
If c Ellis, vlastuin are played in the middle it would help
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Thing is I don't think Cotchin is that dangerous in front of goal anymore.
Bloke can't kick a set shot. Can hardly kick at all TBH.
Dusty and Lids are locks for me, at least 50% of the time.
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Must get the Brownlow now with Watson being found guilty!!!!
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Mr no leadership won a brown low at 22 :whistle
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Does winning a brownlow = good leadership?
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In theory can you be the games best and fairest player in the eyes of the maggots and have poor leadership?
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In theory can you be the games best and fairest player in the eyes of the maggots and have poor leadership?
Yes.
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Get your hand off it
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Get your hand off it
No.
;D
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Cotch's wife, Brooke, is apparently having another baby.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pre-season-2015-16.1117395/page-59#post-42749850
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Cotch's wife, Brooke, is apparently having another baby.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pre-season-2015-16.1117395/page-59#post-42749850
I wonder how many kicks it will make
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Cotch's wife, Brooke, is apparently having another baby.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pre-season-2015-16.1117395/page-59#post-42749850
I wonder how many kicks it will make
None in the final trimester .....
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22 kicks vs Carlton final
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Cotch's wife, Brooke, is apparently having another baby.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pre-season-2015-16.1117395/page-59#post-42749850
I wonder how many kicks it will make
None in the final trimester .....
Sometimes HRT, you surprise me and you just get it right
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22 kicks vs Carlton final
Let's hope she's booked into the Royal Women's then...
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I find Cotchin a boring personality
Anyone?
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I find Cotchin a boring personality
Anyone?
On that front I think he is 99.9% in front of most posters on here
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I find Cotchin a boring personality
Anyone?
Solid.
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I find Cotchin a boring personality
Anyone?
I blame his misses
'More to life than football' rubbish
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I find Cotchin a boring personality
Anyone?
I blame his misses
'More to life than football' rubbish
Disgraceful
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Face it, he IS boring. Can't get peeed with him, can't do rack with him, can't go out on the tear with him- come on, wtf is that? A stuffn priest :snidegrin
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I find Cotchin a boring personality
Anyone?
I blame his misses
'More to life than football' rubbish
Disgraceful
When did he meet her
Apparently chimp has felt like a granpa and not one of the boys, since 22 yoa
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I find Cotchin a boring personality
Anyone?
I blame his misses
'More to life than football' rubbish
Disgraceful
When did he meet her
Apparently chimp has felt like a granpa and not one of the boys, since 22 yoa
Our captain should never ever say that there is more to life than football! Give the captaincy to Miles. ;D
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You want him to tap dance?
Couldn't care if he's as boring as batshit.
What Cotchin needs to do is stand up as our leader in finals.
He hasn't yet. That's the main problem.
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I don't think men will follow a boring prick.
Would u ?
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Like Tom Harley or Zen Master Kirk?
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When did he meet her
Apparently chimp has felt like a granpa and not one of the boys, since 22 yoa
"Felt like a Grandpa" ::) :huh
Nice try er but no
The players have called him Grandpa (you know a nic name) since the day he came to the club (senior ones at the time) because he didn't the nightclub scene as a teenager
So based on that I don't think it has anything to do with his wife
You want him to tap dance?
Couldn't care if he's as boring as batpoo.
What Cotchin needs to do is stand up as our leader in finals.
He hasn't yet. That's the main problem.
Agree
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Like Tom Harley or Zen Master Kirk?
Tom had an aggressive personality.
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Tom Harley has the personality of an indoor plant.
What Cotchin needs to do is stand up as our leader in finals.
He hasn't yet. That's the main problem.
Agree
Look I know we'd all like to erase the match from our memories... but getting a bit sick of the continued collective amnesia around here regarding Cotchin's performance in the 2013 EF.
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Well said
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Soz. I thougt u meant Hafey
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Cotchin needs help or risks burnout
Foxsports
March 23, 2016
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says Trent Cotchin could be forced to retire within three years if the Tigers do not ease his massive midfield burden.
Cotchin has admitted he must change his game after a season in which the Tigers again ran aground in the finals.
Too much of the heavy lifting has been left to the Tigers captain, a 185cm, 85kg player described by his coach as a “battering ram”.
The Tigers have effectively recruited Andrew Moore and Jacob Townsend as protectors for Cotchin, believing he needs some inside bulls to support him.
Hardwick said this week the game would take a dramatic toll on Cotchin if they did not change his game.
“You look at his best year in 2012 when he came second in the Brownlow, he had bigger bodied mids in Daniel Jackson and Shane Tuck. We have missed those players,’’ he said.
“We have added a couple of guys of similar ilk in Andrew Moore and Townsend. We have probably been asking Trent to fulfil a role for his body size that he is incapable of doing.
“If we want to continue down that track the guy is going to be finished at 27 or 28 because the guy is a battering ram.
“We feel as a club we haven’t done what is required to help protect him in that area but we have tried to address some of those needs.”
Trent Cotchin needs more protection on the field, according to coach Damien Hardwick. Picture: Micha Klein
Hardwick told Fox Footy Cotchin was the overwhelming choice as captain despite criticism of his leadership.
“Our players and coaches pick our captain and Trent was by far that choice.”
Richmond’s injuries have undermined the club’s determination to get off to the hot start that has eluded them in the past three seasons.
After Carlton the Tigers take on Collingwood, Adelaide at Etihad Stadium and West Coast at Subiaco Oval.
Last year Richmond started 2-4, in 2014 it was 3-10 and in 2013 they split the first six games.
“We are of the belief if we get the process right from the early rounds we can build to get another chance,” Hardwick said.
“We have just got to make sure we get the good start we are after.
“We haven’t had a good start in the last three years, the best we have been is 3-3.
“There is no doubt if you start well you will finish well. We are looking to get off to a fast start.”
Richmond’s focus after three successive elimination finals losses is boosting its scoring power even though no key foil has emerged for Jack Riewoldt.
“We have always felt we have had capable players in Ty Vickery, Ben Griffiths and Liam McBean but it is going to be a key-forward-by-committee approach,’’ he said.
“Whoever is the hot hand at selection will play.
“We are looking for two more goals a game. How you get those goals is the hard thing.
“It is through clearances and turnovers and we are working on a number of elements of our game.
“From clearances we have to get better and we have to score more from centre-forward turnovers.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/trent-cotchin-could-be-forced-into-early-retirement-without-more-midfield-support-coach-damien-hardwick-warns/news-story/7c859230d063138ba3bf57c239959a1f
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lol even with Tuck and Jackson there, the need for inside mids was great , they have even said as much themselves. Their answer so far has been Thomas and this yr when its become even more dire we have taken what amounts to underachieving players in Moore and Townsend. The complaint is why do they always leave things until they become dire.
No good complaining now dimma you have had 6 yrs to do something about building a balanced list.And to think we gave this chump another two years on the back of what.
Only at Richmond.
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lol even with Tuck and Jackson there, the need for inside mids was great , they have even said as much themselves. Their answer so far has been Thomas and this yr when its become even more dire we have taken what amounts to underachieving players in Moore and Townsend. The complaint is why do they always leave things until they become dire.
No good complaining now dimma you have had 6 yrs to do something about building a balanced list.And to think we gave this chump another two years on the back of what.
Only at Richmond.
Maybe a bit tough on Dimma. Foley never came good, Thomas didn't get there and Jackson probably retired a year or two earlier than expected.
I'd also ask who the top 2 inside players are on each list in the AFL, and would any of them likely come to richmond. Unfortunately, good inside mid players don't just show up on your doorstep.
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lol even with Tuck and Jackson there, the need for inside mids was great , they have even said as much themselves. Their answer so far has been Thomas and this yr when its become even more dire we have taken what amounts to underachieving players in Moore and Townsend. The complaint is why do they always leave things until they become dire.
No good complaining now dimma you have had 6 yrs to do something about building a balanced list.And to think we gave this chump another two years on the back of what.
Only at Richmond.
Geez you've been a grumpy arse lately even by your standards
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Yet he doesn't cite the fact he's drafted more midfield types than any other type.
Oh Yeh - that would suggest his developmental skills were pox.
FHO.
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Fancy recruiting midfield types when midfield types fill most positions on the ground.
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Fancy recruiting midfield types when midfield types fill most positions on the ground.
How many of them have been big inside mids.FFS they trot the lines out about needs every yr then totally ignore what they have said.
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lol even with Tuck and Jackson there, the need for inside mids was great , they have even said as much themselves. Their answer so far has been Thomas and this yr when its become even more dire we have taken what amounts to underachieving players in Moore and Townsend. The complaint is why do they always leave things until they become dire.
No good complaining now dimma you have had 6 yrs to do something about building a balanced list.And to think we gave this chump another two years on the back of what.
Only at Richmond.
Geez you've been a grumpy arse lately even by your standards
Yeah im freakin grumpy im sick of the bull poo and the same old same old.This is year 7 and nothing has changed. Or has it ? he has his 7th yr to prove all us nay sayers wrong but you know what, for the life of me i cant see it.
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Retire at 27
pee off
Should be played forward
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Prestia to the Tigers in 2017 according to Barrett. :shh
There's our inside mid....
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Retire at 27
pee off
Should be played forward
They probably would if he could kick straight ::)
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Prestia to the Tigers in 2017 according to Barrett. :shh
There's our inside mid....
Will nominate Collingwood. :shh
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lol even with Tuck and Jackson there, the need for inside mids was great , they have even said as much themselves. Their answer so far has been Thomas and this yr when its become even more dire we have taken what amounts to underachieving players in Moore and Townsend. The complaint is why do they always leave things until they become dire.
No good complaining now dimma you have had 6 yrs to do something about building a balanced list.And to think we gave this chump another two years on the back of what.
Only at Richmond.
In Jackson and especially Tuck we had two very solid big-bodied mids. You'd rather have at least 3 with a depth or 2 backups in the VFL, but honestly having watched the 'Superstar Month' games of Riewoldt's and watching those two play I have to say the midfield looked superior to our current one IMHO. Those blokes really tackled, especially Tuck who just smashed his way around at the clearances...
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Fancy recruiting midfield types when midfield types fill most positions on the ground.
It's preposterous
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Stop stalking my posts Richo, you little girl.
You'd rather split hairs than face the fact that Hardwick continually defers the blame and is unaccountable for the greater part ...while peanuts like you revel in the propaganda.
I'll stop stalking your posts when the rhetoric stops and the reasoning starts.
I take it that now is the time that my right to free speech is stopping where your feelings begin?
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Prestia to the Tigers in 2017 according to Barrett. :shh
There's our inside mid....
Yes and Treloar was probably going to be another too.
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I thought he was already retired?
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Dimma backs Cotch to find his best form ...
“He probably didn’t start as well as what he’d like; what we’d like,” Hardwick said on the ABC.
“I think he only had one or two touches in the first quarter. He got his hands to the ball, but I think, in fairness, the Carlton guys defended him pretty well.
“As the game wore on, he started to get more involved in the contest.
“He’ll continue to get better.”
“There’s no doubt when Trent plays well – if he gets 30 touches – we’re a fair chance of winning the game. So, we’ve just got to continue to work with him.
“He’s a very important player for us . . .
“He’ll continue to drive himself and drive his team.
“The most important thing – Trent will be the first to tell you this – it’s not how he plays, it’s whether we win or not.
“He wants to be a guy who wins a lot of footy games as a captain, and he’s started to do that. We’ve won a lot of games . . .
“We’re nowhere near where we want to be, but we’re certainly building to something.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-27/hardwick-confidence-in-cotchin
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Yet again Cotchin talks it all up in the pre and then doesn't deliver, just like the finals.
I have always thought he was our best and an absolute gun but I'm really questioning him now.
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more contested touches than any carlton players
outside cripps
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more contested touches than any carlton players
outside cripps
now now, you know facts aren't welcome here
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Sadly, I would swap him for Cripps in a heartbeat.
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I could deal with cripps or hogan or stringer at Richmond too
that doesn't change that chimp goes alright on occasion
I would like him in the forward line more, back in Edwards, miles, corey Ellis. Attempt to extend his football life rather than saying he's done at 27 Dimma you tosser. Should I been fired on the spot
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i thinks you no understand what dimmer was saying
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i didnt read it
i assume it was if we dont get townsend, and grigg doesnt continue to do an admirable job he will be worn out by 27
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Stop stalking my posts Richo, you little girl.
You'd rather split hairs than face the fact that Hardwick continually defers the blame and is unaccountable for the greater part ...while peanuts like you revel in the propaganda.
I'll stop stalking your posts when the rhetoric stops and the reasoning starts.
I take it that now is the time that my right to free speech is stopping where your feelings begin?
So what....now you're some kind of Internet do gooder who admits to stalking ?
You imbecile.
Keep being you for all to see.
Ps grow some balls.
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Sadly, I would swap him for Cripps in a heartbeat.
Me too. In fact the only three guys I wouldn't swap are Jack, Rance and Dusty. Lids and Cotchin I would happily trade away to get a child-monster like Cripps.
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You're not allowed to say that according to the muppets on here, Andy.
Probably too close to home. :snidegrin
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You're not allowed tomsay that according to the mupoepts on here, Andy.
Probably too close to home. :snidegrin
Haha oh well just trying to be realistic.
Lids is one of my favourite players and I have a great love for him for his loyalty to the club through dark times, but he appears less and less able to get onto the park every year. As for Cotchin he looks more and more 'figured out' every year.
Should trade Lids if he wants it, to whatever club he wants for a good player/pick in return. Try to get him into a Hawthorn for example where he can win a flag and we can get some currency for him.
Cotchin I would be trading too or at least not writing it off at all.
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Sadly, I would swap him for Cripps in a heartbeat.
Me too. In fact the only three guys I wouldn't swap are Jack, Rance and Dusty. Lids and Cotchin I would happily trade away to get a child-monster like Cripps.
x3
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SNIP :banghead :banghead
That's both an admission and a threat, WP.
Should be banned.
Hmm and calling for others to be banned can result in suspension for the person doing the calling (has in the past, will again)
Here's a tip for everyone, stick to the topic, keep you're feuds off the forum, ceases with the trolling (all forms of trolling) and no one will need to be suspended (banned)
But I am just in the mood to hand out a raft of strikes if people cannot get it throw their collective noodles that enough is bloody well enough :banghead :pullhair :banghead
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Watching a masterclass by Dangerfield and when you analyse his game its so simple. Most of his kicks are long to space, very rarely see him using dinky sideways kicks.
What is also noticeable is that from a rucking contest he is generally on the move and receives the tap into space for him to run on to. I really wonder how good Dangerfield would be in our side with Maric and Hampson where most of the time the tap is just dropping at feet and pure physicality comes into it where Cotch is at a disadvantage not being as solidly built as alot of other current midfielders.
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Dangerfield is brilliant but I'd say kicking is his weakness. Blazes away a lot.
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Dangerfield is brilliant but I'd say kicking is his weakness. Blazes away a lot.
Yeah B Ellis is much better at blazing away.
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Dangerfield is brilliant but I'd say kicking is his weakness. Blazes away a lot.
Missed a couple of sitters late in the game, bit like Hampson :lol
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Dangerfield is brilliant but I'd say kicking is his weakness. Blazes away a lot.
Yeah B Ellis is much better at blazing away.
Brandon blazes away from inside our defensive 50, Dangerfield is doing it from inside the centre square, slightly different. Have no issue with blazing away if it means we get the ball into the 50 quickly. Ask any defender what they prefer, a slow methodical build up before entering 50 or the ball coming in at speed, I know what I would prefer.
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Ashbury is a blazer.
Houli is a fumbling blazer
Conca is a blazer
GRIGG is a blazer
Who else?
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The thing about Cotchin, is how can he be so great one day and so off the boil the next ?
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The thing about Cotchin, is how can he be so great one day and so off the boil the next ?
Coz he is arse compared to the elites of the game.
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The thing about Cotchin, is how can he be so great one day and so off the boil the next ?
He would've been a great but he has what a lot of other would've been greats have succumbed too at punt road.
And his dinky 20 metre specials don't help elevate him to greatness
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Would be interested to view some footage of when he first came on the scene and compare to now. Is it possible that sometimes these players are over coached in terms "roles" and strategies and simply become unnatural footballers.
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yes
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Captain's curse? Bad ruckwork from Hampson? It was a weird round for top en midfielders in general. Ablett, Dangerfield, Kennedy fired of course but Cotchin, Pendles, Fyfe had days they'd rather forget.
Maybe adjusting to the interchange cap also?
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Would be interested to view some footage of when he first came on the scene and compare to now. Is it possible that sometimes these players are over coached in terms "roles" and strategies and simply become unnatural footballers.
reckon that's a really interesting point
And Yep I think players can certainly be over coached
Also wonder and have for quite a while how much being captain has impacted on his game.
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Or undercoached.
Either way I think Cotchins issues are head demons, commonly referred to as Tigeritis.
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Or undercoached.
Either way I think Cotchins issues are head demons, commonly referred to as Tigeritis.
:clapping :cheers :clapping
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Would be interested to view some footage of when he first came on the scene and compare to now. Is it possible that sometimes these players are over coached in terms "roles" and strategies and simply become unnatural footballers.
Good point, was actually thinking this of Dusty as well
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im still trying to work out how you stifle a top footballers natural instincts by under coaching?
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Why is that not surprising. :lol
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Would be interested to view some footage of when he first came on the scene and compare to now. Is it possible that sometimes these players are over coached in terms "roles" and strategies and simply become unnatural footballers.
Good point, was actually thinking this of Dusty as well
Yep. Bloke used to run riot and kick booming goals from 50+ meters all the time. I used to love it. Fondly remember him smashing one from the centre square against Melbourne in his second year I think it was.
Now he looks like he's on a bit of a leash. Don't like it as much...
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Would be interested to view some footage of when he first came on the scene and compare to now. Is it possible that sometimes these players are over coached in terms "roles" and strategies and simply become unnatural footballers.
Good point, was actually thinking this of Dusty as well
Yep. Bloke used to run riot and kick booming goals from 50+ meters all the time. I used to love it. Fondly remember him smashing one from the centre square against Melbourne in his second year I think it was.
Now he looks like he's on a bit of a leash. Don't like it as much...
Jack Reiwoldt anyone?????
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Would be interested to view some footage of when he first came on the scene and compare to now. Is it possible that sometimes these players are over coached in terms "roles" and strategies and simply become unnatural footballers.
Good point, was actually thinking this of Dusty as well
Yep. Bloke used to run riot and kick booming goals from 50+ meters all the time. I used to love it. Fondly remember him smashing one from the centre square against Melbourne in his second year I think it was.
Now he looks like he's on a bit of a leash. Don't like it as much...
Jack Reiwoldt anyone?????
Er yep.
I'd add Alex Rance but it has worked really well given the position he plays and his ability to judge the situation to distinguish defence from attack
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Why is that not surprising. :lol
its not really, considering it makes no sense at all
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Chimp was a jet... Won the brownlow at 22 years old
Then one game Dimma played him hurt. And re hurt his leg vs freo
And played the next week, again...
Not been the same since. If Dimma was a soccer this would be unforgivable ...
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Did Cotchin have his right knee bandaged in the second half? He looked slow on the idiot box?
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Did Cotchin have his right knee bandaged in the second half? He looked slow on the idiot box?
Yes, knee was bandaged
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Did Cotchin have his right knee bandaged in the second half? He looked slow on the idiot box?
Yes, knee was bandaged
Either we're having an unlucky streak or Burge has pushed them too hard on the track coming into the season proper. A lot of soft tissue injuries to go along with the breaks and concussions.
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Trent Cotchin will never be considered a great player or captain until he starts kicking set-shot goals from straight in front of the sticks. He has missed these through his whole career and shows no signs of improving this part of his game.
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/tigers-top-four-hopes-look-fanciful/tabid/91/newsid/194056/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_tigerstopfourhopeslookfanciful_040416
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Trent Cotchin will never be considered a great player or captain until he starts kicking set-shot goals from straight in front of the sticks. He has missed these through his whole career and shows no signs of improving this part of his game.
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/tigers-top-four-hopes-look-fanciful/tabid/91/newsid/194056/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_tigerstopfourhopeslookfanciful_040416
.....he needs to perform in finals also, 9 dinky specials will never make you great.
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#1 clearances.
#2 contested possession.
Round 2
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#1 clearances.
#2 contested possession.
Round 2
Yes was toughest on the ground with those stats, but he just needs to start hurting sides with his possession.... Then we will stop complaining, getting clearances and turning them over or slowing the game down isn't helping us at the moment, this could be because that is what he has been told to do by the coaches i'm not sure because im not inside "the 4 walls". But just start taking the game on instead of playing safety Cotch.
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#1 clearances.
#2 contested possession.
Round 2
Yes was toughest on the ground with those stats, but he just needs to start hurting sides with his possession.... Then we will stop complaining, getting clearances and turning them over or slowing the game down isn't helping us at the moment, this could be because that is what he has been told to do by the coaches i'm not sure because im not inside "the 4 walls". But just start taking the game on instead of playing safety Cotch.
All fair points really
Merely trying to steer the more emotional amongst us in the middle ground
Not yet 26. Won a brownlow at 22
Hopefully some blue sky's ahead at some stage for the lad
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Cut the poo.
Cotchin and Cotchin alone is responsible for his present dudness and his future improvements.
No blue sky magic crap
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I don't buy Cotchin can "do more leadership" :
- If hunt can't catch
- If Hampson is too stupid to stand on the line
- If vlastuin decides to handball to the boundary
In regard your point id say he could have been managed better he last since he was drafted. Demented to play a valuable asset with injuries. Only at tigerland
It's a (great) shame he's playing below his ability. At least he still cracks in, as proven via stats
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Cotchin needs to go as a run with player in my opinion.
Play like Cameron Ling or Jack Viney game style. Get ugly. Still can be great player. He can't kick over a jam tin, not much pace, can't kick goals. 2 games we've seen Pendles, Treloar, Murphy have it on a string. When Cotchin gets 38 possies we don't dominate. Sick of hearing he needs to impact games with possessions. He'll always have a good footy brain, makes good decisions, in general. Think a defensive contested mid would be where he could really impact games again. High possessions, don't go anything anymore with Trent, in the forward line he misses goals.
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Good point, we should appoint someone on field who is there to provide advice to AFL footballers whenever they take possession.
I nominate Hampson as he does nothing else anyway.
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Although you make a valid point, surely Vickery is a senior enough player to understand the situation and come to that conclusion himself?
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clearly that is not the case....
Talking on the field is such an important aspect, and telling a player to settle who may having an adrenalin rush is part of that
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clearly that is not the case....
Talking on the field is such an important aspect, and telling a player to settle who may having an adrenalin rush is part of that
Clearly you're more forgiving than me Al.
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Although you make a valid point, surely Vickery is a senior enough player to understand the situation and come to that conclusion himself?
Clearly he's not and what's the point of having leaders ?
Put it down to more neglectful development by the coach and Club.
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It's unbelievable the levels of incompetence we have to suffer as supporters
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Although you make a valid point, surely Vickery is a senior enough player to understand the situation and come to that conclusion himself?
Clearly he's not and what's the point of having leaders ?
Put it down to more neglectful development by the coach and Club.
I watched the last six minutes and forensically looked at the various set-ups around unfolding play. Initially I thought Cotch had to take a lot of the blame but I've changed my mind. He was very good in that crucial time. What was patently clear once again was the complete lack of scenario planning. I know I seem like a broken record but it is a failing of the coaching panel and the club as you have rightly pointed out. In that last pack we had Townsend, Jack and another player flying against Fasolo FFS. Meanwhile, Rance and Hampson looked on. The third player who clipped Jack and imo made him miss the spoil was none other than the bloke who crucified us all night - Hunt! In what crucial pack set-up would you have that combination!...and they had plenty of time to work themselves out. There was also one Pie player and Cotch at the front of the pack and 4 pies, Hampson and miles behind it??????? They are a shambles
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Although you make a valid point, surely Vickery is a senior enough player to understand the situation and come to that conclusion himself?
Clearly he's not and what's the point of having leaders ?
Put it down to more neglectful development by the coach and Club.
I watched the last six minutes and forensically looked at the various set-ups around unfolding play. Initially I thought Cotch had to take a lot of the blame but I've changed my mind. He was very good in that crucial time. What was patently clear once again was the complete lack of scenario planning. I know I seem like a broken record but it is a failing of the coaching panel and the club as you have rightly pointed out. In that last pack we had Townsend, Jack and another player flying against Fasolo FFS. Meanwhile, Rance and Hampson looked on. The third player who clipped Jack and imo made him miss the spoil was none other than the bloke who crucified us all night - Hunt! In what crucial pack set-up would you have that combination!...and they had plenty of time to work themselves out. There was also one Pie player and Cotch at the front of the pack and 4 pies, Hampson and miles behind it??????? They are a shambles
For someone who says they are no longer a supporter, you obviously still love the tigers. You analyse the game and then make the beautiful "the bloke who crucified US" comment. I know you won't admit it but saying US means you're still a tiger even if you say you aren't.
This is not a criticism, just an observation. Being critical of the club doesn't mean you hate it. It means you care enough to give a sh*t. :clapping
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Starting to think Cotch might become the champion that we all think is possible if he gives up the captaincy.
But who we make captain?
Lids? Maric? Jack? Rance?
Or maybe even Vlasutin.
:cheers
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Clearly it has to be Rioli as he is wearing the captain's jumper! ;D
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Starting to think Cotch might become the champion that we all think is possible if he gives up the captaincy.
But who we make captain?
Lids? Maric? Jack? Rance?
Or maybe even Vlasutin.
:cheers
Have six captains.
Can't be any worse.
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Although you make a valid point, surely Vickery is a senior enough player to understand the situation and come to that conclusion himself?
Clearly he's not and what's the point of having leaders ?
Put it down to more neglectful development by the coach and Club.
I watched the last six minutes and forensically looked at the various set-ups around unfolding play. Initially I thought Cotch had to take a lot of the blame but I've changed my mind. He was very good in that crucial time. What was patently clear once again was the complete lack of scenario planning. I know I seem like a broken record but it is a failing of the coaching panel and the club as you have rightly pointed out. In that last pack we had Townsend, Jack and another player flying against Fasolo FFS. Meanwhile, Rance and Hampson looked on. The third player who clipped Jack and imo made him miss the spoil was none other than the bloke who crucified us all night - Hunt! In what crucial pack set-up would you have that combination!...and they had plenty of time to work themselves out. There was also one Pie player and Cotch at the front of the pack and 4 pies, Hampson and miles behind it??????? They are a shambles
For someone who says they are no longer a supporter, you obviously still love the tigers. You analyse the game and then make the beautiful "the bloke who crucified US" comment. I know you won't admit it but saying US means you're still a tiger even if you say you aren't.
This is not a criticism, just an observation. Being critical of the club doesn't mean you hate it. It means you care enough to give a sh*t. :clapping
Guilty as charged :)...Not a member anymore but I still want to see them achieve success.
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Although you make a valid point, surely Vickery is a senior enough player to understand the situation and come to that conclusion himself?
Clearly he's not and what's the point of having leaders ?
Put it down to more neglectful development by the coach and Club.
I watched the last six minutes and forensically looked at the various set-ups around unfolding play. Initially I thought Cotch had to take a lot of the blame but I've changed my mind. He was very good in that crucial time. What was patently clear once again was the complete lack of scenario planning. I know I seem like a broken record but it is a failing of the coaching panel and the club as you have rightly pointed out. In that last pack we had Townsend, Jack and another player flying against Fasolo FFS. Meanwhile, Rance and Hampson looked on. The third player who clipped Jack and imo made him miss the spoil was none other than the bloke who crucified us all night - Hunt! In what crucial pack set-up would you have that combination!...and they had plenty of time to work themselves out. There was also one Pie player and Cotch at the front of the pack and 4 pies, Hampson and miles behind it??????? They are a shambles
For someone who says they are no longer a supporter, you obviously still love the tigers. You analyse the game and then make the beautiful "the bloke who crucified US" comment. I know you won't admit it but saying US means you're still a tiger even if you say you aren't.
This is not a criticism, just an observation. Being critical of the club doesn't mean you hate it. It means you care enough to give a sh*t. :clapping
Guilty as charged :)...Not a member anymore but I still want to see them achieve success.
And that's fair enough. One day when those who you don't respect have left the club and we are looking at some success, you may be swayed to hand over your hard earned once more and become a member. There is nothing wrong with that at all. :thumbsup
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Where was the leadership when Vickery took the grab?
Shouldnt the captain run to the problematic player and ensure he has the shot by telling him to settle and run the clock down?
If not the captain, anyone wih leadership ??
Although you make a valid point, surely Vickery is a senior enough player to understand the situation and come to that conclusion himself?
Clearly he's not and what's the point of having leaders ?
Put it down to more neglectful development by the coach and Club.
I watched the last six minutes and forensically looked at the various set-ups around unfolding play. Initially I thought Cotch had to take a lot of the blame but I've changed my mind. He was very good in that crucial time. What was patently clear once again was the complete lack of scenario planning. I know I seem like a broken record but it is a failing of the coaching panel and the club as you have rightly pointed out. In that last pack we had Townsend, Jack and another player flying against Fasolo FFS. Meanwhile, Rance and Hampson looked on. The third player who clipped Jack and imo made him miss the spoil was none other than the bloke who crucified us all night - Hunt! In what crucial pack set-up would you have that combination!...and they had plenty of time to work themselves out. There was also one Pie player and Cotch at the front of the pack and 4 pies, Hampson and miles behind it??????? They are a shambles
For someone who says they are no longer a supporter, you obviously still love the tigers. You analyse the game and then make the beautiful "the bloke who crucified US" comment. I know you won't admit it but saying US means you're still a tiger even if you say you aren't.
This is not a criticism, just an observation. Being critical of the club doesn't mean you hate it. It means you care enough to give a sh*t. :clapping
Guilty as charged :)...Not a member anymore but I still want to see them achieve success.
well said. At least your not an idiot like the rest of us opening our wallett to these fools on a yearly basis.
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Reckon the RFC would be better off without some people whether paid up members or not
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Like grigg?
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Reckon the RFC would be better off without some people whether paid up members or not
Spot on! Couldn't have said it better myself. Shut the door on your way out bello. Life will be a whole lot better without your good self and Mr Paul Bongiorno aka 65.
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And that's fair enough. One day when those who you don't respect have left the club and we are looking at some success, you may be swayed to hand over your hard earned once more and become a member. There is nothing wrong with that at all. :thumbsup
Eff me. I thought you didn't care about non-members.
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Looks like a chimp,
Kicks like Duncan Kellaway.
Going well.
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Okay, back to the topic!
Hodge defends under-fire Tigers skipper
Herald-Sun
6 April 2016
CHAMPION Hawthorn captain Luke Hodge has defended Trent Cotchin and recalled the night the under-fire Tigers’ skipper showcased a more physical edge to his captaincy.
Hodge said Cotchin had been unfairly criticised for his leadership in the wake of Richmond’s underwhelming start to the season but was adamant the Tigers’ captain was “only going to grow and get better in the role”.
Hodge, who is regarded as one of the greatest captains of the modern era, said Cotchin was instrumental in the Tigers’ 18-point win over Hawthorn Round 18 last year, when the Richmond skipper barrelled straight into Hodge and Sam Mitchell at the opening bounce.
Hodge said although Cotchin wasn’t a naturally physical player, the opening bounce bumps set the tone for the rest of his Richmond teammates in the upset win over the Hawks at the MCG.
“As far as ‘Cotch’ goes, I think he is getting the hard end (of the debate),” Hodge said on Triple M.
“When we played against them last year I saw a bloke — who is not naturally a physical person — who had come out of himself.
“For what his team needed, I thought he was putting his team ahead of himself and I think he is only going to grow and get better.”
Hodge said he was slightly surprised by Cotchin’s opening bounce physicality, saying “I think the comment was to him (at the time) ‘where have you been?’
“But I think a captain needs to find out what his team needs at that time and that night definitely he needed to be more physical,” he said.
“And they (Tigers) ended up beating us that night, and you could sort of see the rest of the team follow him.”
Cotchin has been criticised for failing to show leadership in the crucial final minutes of the Tigers’ one-point loss to Collingwood on Friday night, which continues a string of close Richmond losses in recent years.
Spearhead Jack Riewoldt is widely touted as a potential Richmond captain but has not been voted in the club’s leadership group in the past two seasons.
Hodge said Cotchin must be the club’s best captaincy candidate on and off the field.
“People have been talking about Jack Riewolt and he seems like a very good leader on the field,” Hodge said.
“But I guess as far as Cotch goes he gets voted in because he does everything around the football club that they see. The people that know best are the people around the football club.”
Cotchin and Hodge’s four-time premiership teammate Sam Mitchell finished equal second in the 2012 Brownlow Medal count won by suspended Bomber Jobe Watson.
When asked if Mitchell should receive the medal in the event Watson had to hand it back, Hodge said “you don’t want to strip it off Jobe”.
“I know if you speak to Mitch, whatever happened in the past happened and he can’t do much about it,” Hodge said.
“All he (Mitchell) is worried about is what he can handle at this stage, so whatever happens with that (Brownlow) I don’t think the players are too fussed.
“It’s hard to know, because with the Essendon inner sanctum you don’t know what happened there.
“If the AFL gives it (Brownlow Medal) to them, I think they’ve got to accept it, but I don’t think Mitch or Cotch are holding their breath.
“I think they are worried about the now. That was three or four years ago and it was in the past.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/luke-hodge-defends-richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-after-tigers-slow-start-to-the-afl-season/news-story/06fe94e501902f906eff357544d66024
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Dimma talking about Cotch in his dissection vid:
* The skipper for some unknown reason continues to cop a whacking from the media. They are on the ground and know what influence Cotch is having on the game.
* Thought Trent's game was wonderful. Not only did he have the most possessions but he was the number one players on the ground for contested possessions and clearances. Good captain's lead from the front and Cotch definitely did that on Friday night. Just couldn't get us across the line. His contested numbers were great and he used the ball well. He had 500 metres gained which is an elite number.
* We're happy with his bounce back after the round 1 disappointment. He'll play another really good game this week against Adelaide which will be a high contested game. We expect the skipper as usual to lead from the front.
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certainly led from the front with those wonderful difficult goals.
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And that's fair enough. One day when those who you don't respect have left the club and we are looking at some success, you may be swayed to hand over your hard earned once more and become a member. There is nothing wrong with that at all. :thumbsup
Eff me. I thought you didn't care about non-members.
I'm a special case ;)...but not in the same respect as you or tonto :P
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500 meters gained
Not too shabby
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Reckon the RFC would be better off without some people whether paid up members or not
Spot on! Couldn't have said it better myself. Shut the door on your way out bello. Life will be a whole lot better without your good self and Mr Paul Bongiorno aka 65.
Thats a bit rough on 65, he makes a valuable contribution to the politics thread
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Thats a bit rough on 65, he makes a valuable contribution to the politics thread
Lies all lies.
:thumbsdown
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Reckon the RFC would be better off without some people whether paid up members or not
Spot on! Couldn't have said it better myself. Shut the door on your way out bello. Life will be a whole lot better without your good self and Mr Paul Bongiorno aka 65.
Thats a bit rough on 65, he makes a valuable contribution to the politics thread
You reckon
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And that's fair enough. One day when those who you don't respect have left the club and we are looking at some success, you may be swayed to hand over your hard earned once more and become a member. There is nothing wrong with that at all. :thumbsup
Eff me. I thought you didn't care about non-members.
I do care. What I say in jest is just that! ;D
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These idiot comments by hardwick only compound the problem of the RFC.
He's more a psychological guardian than a footy coach.
Geez
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If only he could lactate so he could nurse them.....
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And that's fair enough. One day when those who you don't respect have left the club and we are looking at some success, you may be swayed to hand over your hard earned once more and become a member. There is nothing wrong with that at all. :thumbsup
Eff me. I thought you didn't care about non-members.
I'm a special case ;)...but not in the same respect as you or tonto :P
And here I was going to compliment you. Oh well. Treating you mean has been keeping you keen I guess
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Need to make Jack captain throughout this season so that we can trade Cotchin after finals.
Use him to lure a big fish - eg. Hogan or Cripps!
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“Given the streams of social media and so forth now, it is in your face non-stop, whether it’s Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, any paper . . . all the radio stations are talking about it,” Cotchin told Tiger great Matthew Richardson on the Club’s new weekly preview podcast.
“But the reality is for me, as an individual, you need to ignore it, otherwise it does bog you down. And in some ways, people would think that you’d start to question yourself.
“The reality is the No.1 opinions that matter for me are my teammates and coaches, and the people that I love and care about most, which is my family and friends.”
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick went in to bat for Cotchin during his press conference at the Club on Thursday morning, labelling the criticism “unjust and farcical”.
“That’s the first time I’ve heard ‘Dimma’ talking about it (publicly), so it’s fantastic support from the coach . . . They’re the conversations we have behind closed doors, and they’re the people you care most about,” Cotchin said.
The Tigers’ skipper expected his side to be stretched again, like it was against Collingwood, throughout the season, as this year “it’s anyone’s game, bottom versus top”.
“It will happen throughout the year a number of times, whether that will be the last four minutes of a game, or when we’re behind and we need to win a game,” Cotchin said.
“It’s always good to have little lessons along the way, as long as they don’t damage you too much on the back-end of (the season), which we’re hoping isn’t the case, which is why we need to win this game of footy (against Adelaide) on Saturday.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-07/you-need-to-ignore-it-says-cotchin
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Trent Cotchin gets an inordinate amount of attention
All eyes were on Tigers skipper Trent Cotchin, after he racked up 38 disposals in a one-point loss to Collingwood in round two. He played against Adelaide as he usually does – very well, finishing with 32 disposals. His leadership, which was criticised in the past week, also looked good, with the captain often a strong vocal presence. His tackling was fierce at times. At 1-2, Richmond certainly has its problems, but Cotchin is not one of them.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-09/five-talking-points-richmond-v-adelaide
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Couldn't agree more Cotch is carrying us through this rebuild year and ensuring we are competitive
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How's all the trade Cotchin gurus doing this week?
Who should Dimma and you lot make skipper this time around
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How does your club's captain rate?
Herald-Sun
15 April 2016
A ‘GOOD’ captain is a winning captain. It’s that simple.
Trent Cotchin bashing is almost a sport in itself when Richmond is riding a slump.
But Champion Data rankings points show Cotchin is performing better than captains of four top eight teams.
Cotchin is among seven captains rated “above average” after three rounds with strong numbers in disposals, contested possessions and clearances.
RICHMOND
Trent Cotchin
Games played: 3
Overall rating: Above Average
Much-maligned for his leadership style but certainly setting the example on the field. Rated above for average disposals, contested possessions and clearances, but below average for goals.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/how-does-your-afl-clubs-captain-rate/news-story/73c2fbf5f4f6c38205a3a5f5f7174df1
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Top Tiger’s wife: ‘We are still proud of you’
Herald-Sun
17 April 2106
TRENT Cotchin’s wife has launched an emotional defence of her husband on social media after the Tigers’ third loss of the season.
As Cotchin and his teammates were left reeling after their 68-point loss to West Coast in Perth last night, Brooke Cotchin posted a supportive message on her Instagram account admitting the recent criticism of the Richmond captain had been difficult to deal with.
“Every week you go out and give your all. To have to listen to the constant criticism you have had to put up with especially of late has been incredibly hard,” she wrote.
“Those closest to you know just how dedicated you are to your football club and teammates on and off the field.
“As a wise man once told me ‘People’s opinions are none of our business’.
“We love you and are proud of you”.
It’s not the first time she has felt the need to support the Richmond captain.
Before Round 1 she posted a photo with the caption: “There will always be critics and there will always be someone trying to make a story out of nothing ... Let the haters hate because there isn’t many people like you out there!”
Cotchin said responsibility for the Tigers’ poor start to the season rests with him and the playing group, not coach Damien Hardwick.
“…I get frustrated by the way people throw ‘Dimma’ under the bus,” Cotchin told Triple M radio.
“The reality is, I feel as though our planning going into games is as good as it’s ever been, we’re well prepared but at this stage, it’s the playing group that are probably letting down the coaching staff.
“That’s the challenge for myself as a leader and our other leaders that are playing at the moment, as well as they guys that aren’t.
“We need pressure from below and we need to start to execute because the reality is if you don’t play good foot consistently and start winning games, then obviously pressure continues to mount.”
Cotchin said the team needed to execute coach’s instruction better.
“We’ve got some guys really down on confidence so how do we instil that, what does it look like and how do we get guys back to playing confident Richmond footy at a consistent level,” Cotchin said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-captain-trent-cotchins-wife-brooke-defends-him-on-instagram/news-story/1ad33a87191ef9522586a6c854465895
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So basically she just let the world know it IS getting to him, which means the attacks won't stop because people like to see achievers fall.
Thanks Brooke!
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Tried his guts out against the Eagles particularly in the third quarter but unfortunately his disposal let him down. One of the few midfielders on Friday who stood up.
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At least she gives a crap
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Not sure if that response is appropriate.
I know your a faceless poster from beyond a keyboard but do you have to really?
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One has to ask themselves, what takes more "guts". Sitting behind a computer screen and anonymously critiquing the captain and his wife, or going out and publicly supporting your partner.
I know who's camp I'm in....
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Fair enough.
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Deleted.
But it's still rubbish.
Wives coming to the aid of heir husbands on social media ?
WTF.
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Oh, for the record,-You're all faceless opinions with keyboards also.
Don't get too ahead of yourselves, ladies.
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Oh, for the record,-You're all faceless opinions with keyboards also.
Don't get too ahead of yourselves, ladies.
You're right and we are not but you still couldn't resist a ladies jibe.
You post was wrong and you deleted it but your still grasping for lost pride.
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
ox went over board but we all get the jist of what he meant.
Cotch isnt a bad bloke, but he is not a good leader(along with many of his mates) and he cant kick for poo, so if that offends her well stuff her.
We must be the only club who has their misses go into bat for the captain. If it was mine i would be ropeable as its now going to create more headaches for the guy with opposition clubs.
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Not sure if that response is appropriate.
I know your a faceless poster from beyond a keyboard but do you have to really?
Are you talking to me?
You sounds a bit precious
Half te melbourne media is bagging chimp for not being demonstrative, ruthless enough.
His other half doing cry isn't going to help
Cannot have your cake and eat it
I'm a staunch Cotchin supporter - yet his misses piping up is laughable
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Not sure if that response is appropriate.
I know your a faceless poster from beyond a keyboard but do you have to really?
Are you talking to me?
You sounds a bit precious
Half te melbourne media is bagging chimp for not being demonstrative, ruthless enough.
His other having a cry isn't going to help
Cannot have your cake and eat it
I'm a staunch Cotchin supporter - yet his misses piping up is laughable
No, Chuckys is not talking about you Joseph.
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
Sorry Angus, you're right. I was being a pussy. Think I might go back to my cave now.
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
ox went over board but we all get the jist of what he meant.
Cotch isnt a bad bloke, but he is not a good leader(along with many of his mates) and he cant kick for poo, so if that offends her well stuff her.
We must be the only club who has their misses go into bat for the captain. If it was mine i would be ropeable as its now going to create more headaches for the guy with opposition clubs.
Indeed
The great lions side had a full time shrinks just for best trolling the opposition effectively
You'd have to think the more ruthless clubs will go hard at chimp with the mind games... And his weak ass team mates will just walk away
Stupid on all counts by misses Chimp
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Shows how switched on you are.
:wallywink
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Not sure if that response is appropriate.
I know your a faceless poster from beyond a keyboard but do you have to really?
Are you talking to me?
You sounds a bit precious
Half te melbourne media is bagging chimp for not being demonstrative, ruthless enough.
His other half doing cry isn't going to help
Cannot have your cake and eat it
I'm a staunch Cotchin supporter - yet his misses piping up is laughable
No Bents, there was an inappropriate post from someone else that got deleted later
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Not sure if that response is appropriate.
I know your a faceless poster from beyond a keyboard but do you have to really?
Are you talking to me?
You sounds a bit precious
Half te melbourne media is bagging chimp for not being demonstrative, ruthless enough.
His other half doing cry isn't going to help
Cannot have your cake and eat it
I'm a staunch Cotchin supporter - yet his misses piping up is laughable
No Bents, there was an inappropriate post from someone else that got deleted later
Don't be a pussy, Chucky.
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Deleted.
But it's still rubbish.
Wives coming to the aid of heir husbands on social media ?
WTF.
Who honestly cares?
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Put this way, not everyone doesn't.
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Copping heaps on SEN this morning about his misses sticking up for him.. :help
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
ox went over board but we all get the jist of what he meant.
Cotch isnt a bad bloke, but he is not a good leader(along with many of his mates) and he cant kick for poo, so if that offends her well stuff her.
We must be the only club who has their misses go into bat for the captain. If it was mine i would be ropeable as its now going to create more headaches for the guy with opposition clubs.
Indeed
The great lions side had a full time shrinks just for best trolling the opposition effectively
You'd have to think the more ruthless clubs will go hard at chimp with the mind games... And his weak ass team mates will just walk away
Stupid on all counts by misses Chimp
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jonathan-brown-responds-to-trent-cotchins-wife-brookes-public-support-of-richmond-captain/news-story/40b67e9b61efd83452909c868a87a609
only a three time but hey what would he know.
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
ox went over board but we all get the jist of what he meant.
Cotch isnt a bad bloke, but he is not a good leader(along with many of his mates) and he cant kick for poo, so if that offends her well stuff her.
We must be the only club who has their misses go into bat for the captain. If it was mine i would be ropeable as its now going to create more headaches for the guy with opposition clubs.
Indeed
The great lions side had a full time shrinks just for best trolling the opposition effectively
You'd have to think the more ruthless clubs will go hard at chimp with the mind games... And his weak ass team mates will just walk away
Stupid on all counts by misses Chimp
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jonathan-brown-responds-to-trent-cotchins-wife-brookes-public-support-of-richmond-captain/news-story/40b67e9b61efd83452909c868a87a609
only a three time but hey what would he know.
Also a story from the HUN so no validity at all.. :whistle
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
ox went over board but we all get the jist of what he meant.
Cotch isnt a bad bloke, but he is not a good leader(along with many of his mates) and he cant kick for poo, so if that offends her well stuff her.
We must be the only club who has their misses go into bat for the captain. If it was mine i would be ropeable as its now going to create more headaches for the guy with opposition clubs.
Indeed
The great lions side had a full time shrinks just for best trolling the opposition effectively
You'd have to think the more ruthless clubs will go hard at chimp with the mind games... And his weak ass team mates will just walk away
Stupid on all counts by misses Chimp
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jonathan-brown-responds-to-trent-cotchins-wife-brookes-public-support-of-richmond-captain/news-story/40b67e9b61efd83452909c868a87a609
only a three time but hey what would he know.
Also a story from the HUN so no validity at all.. :whistle
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They are quoting j brown from his radio program
I doubt they have made it up
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
ox went over board but we all get the jist of what he meant.
Cotch isnt a bad bloke, but he is not a good leader(along with many of his mates) and he cant kick for poo, so if that offends her well stuff her.
We must be the only club who has their misses go into bat for the captain. If it was mine i would be ropeable as its now going to create more headaches for the guy with opposition clubs.
Indeed
The great lions side had a full time shrinks just for best trolling the opposition effectively
You'd have to think the more ruthless clubs will go hard at chimp with the mind games... And his weak ass team mates will just walk away
Stupid on all counts by misses Chimp
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jonathan-brown-responds-to-trent-cotchins-wife-brookes-public-support-of-richmond-captain/news-story/40b67e9b61efd83452909c868a87a609
only a three time but hey what would he know.
Also a story from the HUN so no validity at all.. :whistle
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They are quoting j brown from his radio program
I doubt they have made it up
Tongue in cheek mate. ::)
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turn it up Richo stop being a pussy.
ox went over board but we all get the jist of what he meant.
Cotch isnt a bad bloke, but he is not a good leader(along with many of his mates) and he cant kick for poo, so if that offends her well stuff her.
We must be the only club who has their misses go into bat for the captain. If it was mine i would be ropeable as its now going to create more headaches for the guy with opposition clubs.
Indeed
The great lions side had a full time shrinks just for best trolling the opposition effectively
You'd have to think the more ruthless clubs will go hard at chimp with the mind games... And his weak ass team mates will just walk away
Stupid on all counts by misses Chimp
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jonathan-brown-responds-to-trent-cotchins-wife-brookes-public-support-of-richmond-captain/news-story/40b67e9b61efd83452909c868a87a609
only a three time but hey what would he know.
Also a story from the HUN so no validity at all.. :whistle
....
They are quoting j brown from his radio program
I doubt they have made it up
Tongue in cheek mate. ::)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin quietly carving out career year despite Tigers struggling on the field
JON RALPH
Herald Sun
June 13, 2016 7:00pm
TRENT Cotchin began to feel crook on Tuesday afternoon, only four days after Richmond’s most recent humiliating loss.
By that night he was being monitored for a kidney infection in hospital, a fact Richmond was able to keep away from the baying press.
On Sunday night Cotchin delivered another 2016 masterclass, even if his heroics were overshadowed by Dustin Martin.
His last quarter alone against the Suns saw him haul in a dozen disposals, three clearances and 44 Champion Data rankings points.
Richmond still might be very much a middle-of-the-road side, but nothing has been middle-of-the-road about Cotchin this year.
Despite rampant criticism of his leadership and style, he has peeled off his best year since 2012.
That season might still see him awarded a Brownlow Medal at year’s end, but this season he is averaging 111 rankings points compared to 116 that year.
Statistics are far from everything, but he has career-highs in disposals (30), contested possessions (13.5), clearances (6.7) and uncontested possessions (16.2).
And since you asked, after criticism he chips and goes sideways and doesn’t surge the ball forward, his 454 metres gained per game are up 112 metres on last year.
They are remarkable statistics given he won only 19 disposals in Round 6 against Port Adelaide after cracking his cheekbone in the opening seconds.
Then returned without surgery after only a fortnight to play on despite the likelihood of re-injuring his face.
The difference in the four wins over the past five weeks is that he has had willing midfield accomplices in Brett Deledio and Martin and Anthony Miles.
If we kick players when they are down, it is absolutely necessary to praise them for addressing their issues of concern.
Asked if Cotchin was ever a chance not to play, Hardwick replied: “Not according to Trent.”
Cotchin might not be the perfect captain, but right now he is the best Richmond has got.
And if some teammates inside Richmond had doubts about that leadership, surely it has ebbed away as the year progressed.
Cotchin has weaknesses like every AFL player, admitting he doesn’t booze on or socialise with teammates like the leaders of past decades.
But if leadership is built by brave performances against the odds, it is hard to see how he hasn’t passed on that score this year.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-quietly-carving-out-career-year-despite-tigers-struggling-on-the-field/news-story/0e384767754898cae4cf9bd7d5b25fcf
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Cotchin has weaknesses like every AFL player, admitting he doesn’t booze on or socialise with teammates like the leaders of past decades.
He ain't THAT good.
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Would u wanna go drinking with b Ellis grigg chaplin?
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Would u wanna go drinking with b Ellis grigg chaplin?
It would be a wild night...
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgnkb8cj7cqiHvRn689denOLu5JRENfnTQdh4U46tZnHKPU8Fe)
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:lol
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The Geez eam
stuffn poofters.
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Trent Cotchin's leadership deserves recognition
Dustin Martin was Richmond's match-winner against Gold Coast, but the skipper was right there with him and couldn't have done more in the crucial fourth quarter. Cotchin, who didn't train during the week and spent a day in hospital with a virus, racked up 12 possessions and four inside 50s in the last term and got to both ends of the ground when his team needed him. He finished with 28 touches and a team-high seven tackles and was all heart with his team's season on the line. Cotchin's suitability to captain the Tigers has been debated after losses this season. His resilience to keep performing under that external pressure, and ability to push through injuries, deserve equal recognition.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-13/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-12
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The Geez eam
stuffn sissyters.
As far as I know Cotchin has never professed to be Christian.
Is Gary Ablett Jnr a sissy? What about Miles?
Are only Muhammadians tough? Why don't you ask Houli? Or won't you criticise Islam because it's not PC? :rollin
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Cotchin has weaknesses like every AFL player, admitting he doesn’t booze on or socialise with teammates like the leaders of past decades.
Would rather this a million times over instead of Kane Johnson's urinating in public.... :whistle
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Cotchin has weaknesses like every AFL player, admitting he doesn’t booze on or socialise with teammates like the leaders of past decades.
Would rather this a million times over instead of Kane Johnson's urinating in public.... :whistle
you never peeed in public ? Maybe on the way home drunk against someones tree with them sitting on their front verendah in the dark having a smoke :snidegrin
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More players need to man up & lift their work rate during games like Cotchin & Martin. Some players are only giving 40% its a pathetic effort
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The Geez eam
stuffn sissyters.
As far as I know Cotchin has never professed to be Christian.
Is Gary Ablett Jnr a sissy? What about Miles?
Are only Muhammadians tough? Why don't you ask Houli? Or won't you criticise Islam because it's not PC? :rollin
precious?
Cotchin Is a JW, one of the few denominations that aren't afraid to refer to Yahweh/Jehovah by her real name.
There has also been much poo hung on Houli and islam here, including from yourself, so dont be so precious about a little bit of equality......
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The Geez eam
stuffn sissyters.
As far as I know Cotchin has never professed to be Christian.
Is Gary Ablett Jnr a sissy? What about Miles?
Are only Muhammadians tough? Why don't you ask Houli? Or won't you criticise Islam because it's not PC? :rollin
precious?
Cotchin Is a JW, one of the few denominations that aren't afraid to refer to Yahweh/Jehovah by her real name.
There has also been much poo hung on Houli and islam here, including from yourself, so dont be so precious about a little bit of equality......
Equality? Hilarious. You might want to take that one up with the mods.
Since when was Cotchin a JW?
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How many ladies has chimp killed?
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The Geez eam
stuffn sissyters.
As far as I know Cotchin has never professed to be Christian.
Is Gary Ablett Jnr a sissy? What about Miles?
Are only Muhammadians tough? Why don't you ask Houli? Or won't you criticise Islam because it's not PC? :rollin
precious?
Cotchin Is a JW, one of the few denominations that aren't afraid to refer to Yahweh/Jehovah by her real name.
There has also been much poo hung on Houli and islam here, including from yourself, so dont be so precious about a little bit of equality......
Jw are alright.
It's the jesuit scum that's the problem
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The Geez eam
stuffn sissyters.
As far as I know Cotchin has never professed to be Christian.
Is Gary Ablett Jnr a sissy? What about Miles?
Are only Muhammadians tough? Why don't you ask Houli? Or won't you criticise Islam because it's not PC? :rollin
stuff them too
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The Geez eam
stuffn sissyters.
As far as I know Cotchin has never professed to be Christian.
Is Gary Ablett Jnr a sissy? What about Miles?
Are only Muhammadians tough? Why don't you ask Houli? Or won't you criticise Islam because it's not PC? :rollin
precious?
Cotchin Is a JW, one of the few denominations that aren't afraid to refer to Yahweh/Jehovah by her real name.
There has also been much poo hung on Houli and islam here, including from yourself, so dont be so precious about a little bit of equality......
Now you're done it penny. You have upset whatshisface. Jw are not Christian rant in coming
I did not know chimp was jw... That explains a lot
All we need now is an Amish ruckman
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Yaweh =Her LMAO
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Cotchin Is a JW,
I dont think that is correct
There were rumours swirling but that's about all.
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Cotchin Is a JW,
I dont think that is correct
There were rumours swirling but that's about all.
So its possible then?
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Not one of his better outings. Barely passable game by the captains standards
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One thing I like about Cotchins game is his tackle numbers have been right up lately.
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Needs to lift.
A stint in the two's would be good for club and player.
Just not at the appropriate Hodge AFL standard.
Well short of the mark.
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I saw him in 3 skirmishes against brisbane1at one went on for at least a minute, not one teammate came and helped him.
These are energy sapping and imo he was targeted.
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I saw him in 3 skirmishes against brisbane1at one went on for at least a minute, not one teammate came and helped him.
These are energy sapping and imo he was targeted.
Same thing happens in the twos
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Martin flew the flag for about 20 seconds then got distracted by the play and ran off....
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Well that's fair enough
Other around watching scratching nuts while chimps got three blokes on him
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin posts on Instagram birth of second daughter
Herald Sun
June 29, 2016
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has announced on social media the birth of his second daughter, Mackenzie Foxx Cotchin.
The proud dad posted a video on Instagram of his first daughter Harper, kissing her newborn sister.
“Our world, our amazing journey continues!! Mackenzie Foxx Cotchin 26.06.2016 #blessed,” Cotchin wrote.
Pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/BHOJmOXACdF/embed/captioned/?v=7
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-posts-on-instagram-birth-of-second-daughter/news-story/c3cba8b6a94225df93a603372e9bfe20
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Second daughter.... sigh
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Second daughter.... sigh
Yeah ... sigh. But think of the Father/Daughter picks for our Women's Team! :birthday
Onya Cotch! :cheers
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Second daughter.... sigh
Yeah ... sigh. But think of the Father/Daughter picks for our Women's Team! :birthday
Onya Cotch! :cheers
Bloke should IVF a set of triplet sons LOL
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I am sure one of his daughters will fit in the team now... :snidegrin
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RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has announced on social media the birth of his second daughter, Mackenzie Foxx Cotchin.
Gee wiz that's the perfect name to give your daughter if you want her to be a stripper
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RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has announced on social media the birth of his second daughter, Mackenzie Foxx Cotchin.
Gee wiz that's the perfect name to give your daughter if you want her to be a stripper
Lol
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:lol
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Cotch still got a lot of the ball (28 possies) but it was quality over quantity tonight and furthermore his workrate off the ball and defensively was immense.
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Cotch still got a lot of the ball (28 possies) but it was quality over quantity tonight and furthermore his workrate off the ball and defensively was immense.
^^^^
Exactly
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Thats the cotch that had everyone talking him up as one of the premier mids in the comp
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Very good tonight.
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He was unbelievable tonight. His intensity and defensive efforts were through the roof!
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Showed a bit of (dare I say it) c*#$ tonight, which I always love to see.
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intensity was immense last night. it was ok last week too, but frustration saw him direct it in the wrong spots. look at the way he hunted the ball in that clip yeahright used to show hammers lack of intensity.
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RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has announced on social media the birth of his second daughter, Mackenzie Foxx Cotchin.
Gee wiz that's the perfect name to give your daughter if you want her to be a stripper
Lol
A Christian stripper. Mmmmmmm
Seriously, how classless.
What's the other child named Britney?
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A captain who can only play good when he is attacked for weeks on end.
Hmmmmmm
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Is your surname Agnostura? I know your first name isn't Vic, but it should be.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-09/tigers-skipper-trent-cotchin-stands-tall-in-gritty-win-shoots-up-rankings
:shh
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A captain who can only play good when he is attacked for weeks on end.
Hmmmmmm
That's not fact.
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Tigers skipper stands tall in gritty win, shoots up rankings
AFL.com.au
9 August 2016
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin is at his highest mark in the Schick AFL Player Ratings in more than two years.
It's been a tough year for the skipper, who suffered scrutiny this year about his suitability as captain and questions over the effectiveness of his game style.
Cotchin hit No.39 for the first time since round seven, 2014. His career-high mark of No.18 came early in the 2013 season.
He was excellent once again on Friday night against Collingwood. Both coaches awarded him the maximum five votes after he picked up 28 disposals, 14 contested possessions and eight clearances.
That performance saw Cotchin rated the second-highest player on the ground, behind only two-game Magpie Rupert Wills.
After a performance that helped relieve some of the pressure on the embattled club, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick was full of praise for the 26-year-old.
"Our skipper was outstanding from the word go, the way he led the players," Hardwick said.
From a team perspective, the season has not been what Richmond would have expected. The Tigers hoped for some success this September after three successive finals appearances for a net result of zero wins.
Even though Hardwick's men have posted a disappointing eight wins thus far, Cotchin has been a constant contributor.
He is ranked 10th in the competition for clearances per game, and 17th for contested possessions per game, demonstrating the midfield load he has carried.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-09/tigers-skipper-trent-cotchin-stands-tall-in-gritty-win-shoots-up-rankings
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Tigers skipper stands tall in gritty win, shoots up rankings
AFL.com.au
9 August 2016
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin is at his highest mark in the Schick AFL Player Ratings in more than two years.
It's been a tough year for the skipper, who suffered scrutiny this year about his suitability as captain and questions over the effectiveness of his game style.
Cotchin hit No.39 for the first time since round seven, 2014. His career-high mark of No.18 came early in the 2013 season.
He was excellent once again on Friday night against Collingwood. Both coaches awarded him the maximum five votes after he picked up 28 disposals, 14 contested possessions and eight clearances.
That performance saw Cotchin rated the second-highest player on the ground, behind only two-game Magpie Rupert Wills.
After a performance that helped relieve some of the pressure on the embattled club, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick was full of praise for the 26-year-old.
"Our skipper was outstanding from the word go, the way he led the players," Hardwick said.
From a team perspective, the season has not been what Richmond would have expected. The Tigers hoped for some success this September after three successive finals appearances for a net result of zero wins.
Even though Hardwick's men have posted a disappointing eight wins thus far, Cotchin has been a constant contributor.
He is ranked 10th in the competition for clearances per game, and 17th for contested possessions per game, demonstrating the midfield load he has carried.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-09/tigers-skipper-trent-cotchin-stands-tall-in-gritty-win-shoots-up-rankings
You're a bit late OE. I posted that link this morning! ;D
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You're a bit late OE. I posted that link this morning! ;D
Oops! :booboo ;D.
Thanks for posting it, YaBB :cheers.
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Another stellar effort on the captains watch.
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2 goals
3 tackles
20+ touches , half contested
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Wgaf, poo leader like half step both can GF.
has been poo since he took the captaincy
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His last quarter was fantastic.
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His last quarter was fantastic.
I'm so glad it took him 23 weeks to do so :shh
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His last quarter was fantastic.
Yeah Sydney was fantastic with a bench full of stars in the last :snidegrin
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His last quarter was fantastic.
Really took a shine off us conceding a 130pt margin on the first three quarters.
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If we call HIM chimp, it's ok.....
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Obviously a fan. He was the only player today that showed he gave a poo......shameful performance from every other so called professional player including the insipid coaching panel.
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His career is 10 years next season & he won't be around come 2018.
Needs to step down as captain & just play his game
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His career is 10 years next season & he won't be around come 2018.
Needs to step down as captain & just play his game
Yep. His game.
Kicking against the wind and.laying down.
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His career is 10 years next season & he won't be around come 2018.
Needs to step down as captain & just play his game
Yep. His game.
Kicking against the wind and.laying down.
:snidegrin come on mate don't take it so hard. ;D
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Obviously a fan. He was the only player today that showed he gave a poo......shameful performance from every other so called professional player including the insipid coaching panel.
Yep - agenda driven thread by known Anti-Cotchite, lacks credibilty.
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Wgaf, poo leader like half step both can GF.
has been poo since he took the captaincy
21 non leaders
1 leader
He is not a wizard
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Cotch is fantastic.
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Cotch is fantastic
:snidegrin
I see what you did there.
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Wgaf, poo leader like half step both can GF.
has been poo since he took the captaincy
21 non leaders
1 leader
He is not a wizard
Leadership is more than being a captain or coach.
Clearly the players do not wish to follow
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Wgaf, poo leader like half step both can GF.
has been poo since he took the captaincy
21 non leaders
1 leader
He is not a wizard
Wasn't there 2 wizards. Cotch and Edwards.
You do remember Edwards don't you? The gun you have defended for years.
:lol :lol
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Thought he at least showed some heart for most of the game. Too bad he couldn't do it all on his own and could only really dominate when the Swans took their foot off the pedal
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Trent was the only player to show any heart all night. Shameless performance from every other Tiger player :banghead
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Can't shake the tag is a major problem and his inability to will his team to win unfortunately he's either letting the hack Jacobs dominate him or he's missing that desperately needed goal that both Campbell & Knights would've kicked.
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Trent was the only player to show any heart all night. Shameless performance from every other Tiger player :banghead
Thought Taylor Hunt and Alex Rance had s crack
Hunt on top of Champion Data Rankings
And that's a FACT
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Trent was the only player to show any heart all night. Shameless performance from every other Tiger player :banghead
Thought Taylor Hunt and Alex Rance had s crack
Hunt on top of Champion Data Rankings
And that's a FACT
Where do you find the Champion Data Rankings?
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Just leaders in history have been pantz at times.
No matter how good a leader you are there is only so much that can be done with the army at hand.
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Imagine how bad they'd be if the werent playing for the coach. :snidegrin
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Richmond B Graders.
Troy Chaplin 25 215
Shane Edwards 10 187
Shaun Grigg 6 167
Ivan Maric 20 157
Bachar Houli 14 149
Tyrone Vickery 29 119
Christopher Yarran 13 119
Brandon Ellis 5 110
Taylor Hunt 28 103
Shaun Hampson 16 98
Steven Morris 38 86
Jake Batchelor 11 83
Reece Conca 30 80
Would of been easier to invade rome marching elephants over the alps
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You're being extremely generous calling them B graders.....
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'Richmond' b graders
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Oh, I see.... :banghead
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Harsh. The best leadership is leading by example. He did that. Would you rather he ranted a raved about their performances? That's the coaches job.
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
:clapping
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Harsh. The best leadership is leading by example. He did that. Would you rather he ranted a raved about their performances? That's the coaches job.
He is now punchin and gettin into scuffles too , after the whinging he didn't go that enough
Like rance another that could benefit from the odd chop out
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Harsh. The best leadership is leading by example. He did that. Would you rather he ranted a raved about their performances? That's the coaches job.
He only was able to do it when they had benched the stars and the others were warming down.
Let's be honest.
Sure, he had a crack.....then.
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Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Had a gutfull of people blaming other people for the teammates not being professional and playing to the full extent of their abilities and expectations.
If you don't like a bloke: fair enough. If you won't play for you captain cause you don't like him then pee off and go play for someone else. Not an acceptable excuse.
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Harsh. The best leadership is leading by example. He did that. Would you rather he ranted a raved about their performances? That's the coaches job.
Sorry, i disagree.
Leading by example is important but real leadership is setting a standard that your team or employees respect and aspire to reach.Real leadership can be measured when you are away from your system to see how it operates. Leadership is about everyone knowing what is required and understanding all are accountable if they fail.
This is why Hawthorn are so good. They recruit well but more importantly anyone can step up because of the standards that are set by their leaders.
I bet at hawthorn the standards are so high they wouldnt think twice about picking up a piece of rubbish if they saw it in the hallway. At richmond they all leave and let someone from the leadership group (Maric) cleanup.
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Harsh. The best leadership is leading by example. He did that. Would you rather he ranted a raved about their performances? That's the coaches job.
Sorry, i disagree.
Leading by example is important but real leadership is setting a standard that your team or employees respect and aspire to reach.Real leadership can be measured when you are away from your system to see how it operates. Leadership is about everyone knowing what is required and understanding all are accountable if they fail.
This is why Hawthorn are so good. They recruit well but more importantly anyone can step up because of the standards that are set by their leaders.
I bet at hawthorn the standards are so high they wouldnt think twice about picking up a piece of rubbish if they saw it in the hallway. At richmond they all leave and let someone from the leadership group (Maric) cleanup.
Hawthorn have many leaders. Who has Cotch got to back him up? Not many I would suggest. He was voted by his peers as being their captain too so they must think he is a decent leader. I think the has very little support in setting standards and therein lies the problem.
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Interesting point. If players don't want to go with him they don't deserve the right to put on a jumper. A strong willed driven individual will always play to the best of their ability with or without the leader being on the field. Cotchin shows great leadership in his actions and if this is not good enough for some to want to play for him..... They can pee off!
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
:clapping
Interesting point. If players don't want to go with him they don't deserve the right to put on a jumper. A strong willed driven individual will always play to the best of their ability with or without the leader being on the field. Cotchin shows great leadership in his actions and if this is not good enough for some to want to play for him..... They can pee off!
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Harsh. The best leadership is leading by example. He did that. Would you rather he ranted a raved about their performances? That's the coaches job.
Sorry, i disagree.
Leading by example is important but real leadership is setting a standard that your team or employees respect and aspire to reach.Real leadership can be measured when you are away from your system to see how it operates. Leadership is about everyone knowing what is required and understanding all are accountable if they fail.
This is why Hawthorn are so good. They recruit well but more importantly anyone can step up because of the standards that are set by their leaders.
I bet at hawthorn the standards are so high they wouldnt think twice about picking up a piece of rubbish if they saw it in the hallway. At richmond they all leave and let someone from the leadership group (Maric) cleanup.
Hawthorn have many leaders. Who has Cotch got to back him up? Not many I would suggest. He was voted by his peers as being their captain too so they must think he is a decent leader. I think the has very little support in setting standards and therein lies the problem.
Perhaps you're right, but we were talking about leading by example as you pointed out. Lack of leaders helping him is evident but they are the ones that he and Dimma should have on side already. If middle management aren't following instructions or instilling the cultural practises than what hope does joe blogs (player #38 on the list) have of doing it.
I think Cotch was a ripping playing and perhaps under the right conditions a good captain but certainly now would I suggest either.
I would like to see changes across the board in the off season and hopefully bringing in some quality indviduals both playing wise and attitude will help steer the ship on field.
Watching Treloar today for the pies further reinforces why the club should have opened their wallets deeper. Great player and on field leader.
Has had a great season and whilst we wouldn't have made finals off the back of one guy bringing in these quality players/leaders sure does a lot to fix the stinking culture that is at Richmond.
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Most of you seem to be defending Cotchin as a player rather than as a leader.
To me, he shows no signs of being a good leader.
Saying that he was he only one who tried yesterday is actually an indictment on his leadership because it shows that his teammates don't want to go with him.
Harsh. The best leadership is leading by example. He did that. Would you rather he ranted a raved about their performances? That's the coaches job.
Sorry, i disagree.
Leading by example is important but real leadership is setting a standard that your team or employees respect and aspire to reach.Real leadership can be measured when you are away from your system to see how it operates. Leadership is about everyone knowing what is required and understanding all are accountable if they fail.
This is why Hawthorn are so good. They recruit well but more importantly anyone can step up because of the standards that are set by their leaders.
I bet at hawthorn the standards are so high they wouldnt think twice about picking up a piece of rubbish if they saw it in the hallway. At richmond they all leave and let someone from the leadership group (Maric) cleanup.
Hawthorn have many leaders. Who has Cotch got to back him up? Not many I would suggest. He was voted by his peers as being their captain too so they must think he is a decent leader. I think the has very little support in setting standards and therein lies the problem.
Perhaps you're right, but we were talking about leading by example as you pointed out. Lack of leaders helping him is evident but they are the ones that he and Dimma should have on side already. If middle management aren't following instructions or instilling the cultural practises than what hope does joe blogs (player #38 on the list) have of doing it.
I think Cotch was a ripping playing and perhaps under the right conditions a good captain but certainly now would I suggest either.
I would like to see changes across the board in the off season and hopefully bringing in some quality indviduals both playing wise and attitude will help steer the ship on field.
Watching Treloar today for the pies further reinforces why the club should have opened their wallets deeper. Great player and on field leader.
Has had a great season and whilst we wouldn't have made finals off the back of one guy bringing in these quality players/leaders sure does a lot to fix the stinking culture that is at Richmond.
:thumbsup
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Halfstep would've played Treloar off half back and had him taking the sideways or backwards option by round 5....
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Of course, I don't think that Cotch is entirely to blame for his teammates lack of effort, but he is partly to blame. If we absolve him of any repsonsibity, then why have a captain at all?
And leading by example is really the minimum standard for captains. Good captains are able to establish a standard for discipline and commitment on the field, regardless of talent. They make those around them player better and they impact games at crucial moments. Do any of you see these traits in Cotchin?
Cotch is a good player, but in my eyes he's not even close to a good captain.
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Cotch played his guts out in the last quarter for Mr Fantastic
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Cotch played his guts out in the last quarter for Mr Fantastic
Dooks? ;D
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Captains are overrated
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Cotch played his guts out in the last quarter for Mr Fantastic
Dooks? ;D
FAAAAAAANTASTIC!!!!!
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It can't all be on Cotchin. Teams like Hawthorn are great as half the squad seem to be natural leaders that could step into the captains spot with a click of some fingers.
Who at Richmond fits that? Rance perhaps, Delidio (too many injuries now), Jack? (not likely), Edwards, Vlaustin? We seem as bereft of on-field leaders as we do of any kind of coherent game plan or and match day strategies.
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I'm a fan of Cotch but IMO we need a new captain. The club needs a fresh start with players and IMO leadership.
What would people think if we could get 2 first round picks for him?
Say pick 10 and pick 16
Thoughts?
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I'm a fan of Cotch but IMO we need a new captain. The club needs a fresh start with players and IMO leadership.
What would people think if we could get 2 first round picks for him?
Say pick 10 and pick 16
Thoughts?
stuffn oath
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I'm a fan of Cotch but IMO we need a new captain. The club needs a fresh start with players and IMO leadership.
What would people think if we could get 2 first round picks for him?
Say pick 10 and pick 16
Thoughts?
Yep
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Nope
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Won't happen IMHO.
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I'm a fan of Cotch but IMO we need a new captain. The club needs a fresh start with players and IMO leadership.
Who?
We have a host of players that are soft and dont demand on field respect, the only candidates are Martin and Rance and by all accounts they arent captain material on and off the field.
The only option I would see is Jack.
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I'm a fan of Cotch but IMO we need a new captain. The club needs a fresh start with players and IMO leadership.
Who?
We have a host of players that are soft and dont demand on field respect, the only candidates are Martin and Rance and by all accounts they arent captain material on and off the field.
The only option I would see is Jack.
Agree on Jack.
I think his footy would improve with the extra responsibility as oppose to Cotch where IMO it's hurt his footy.
We need a strong character. We have for too long gone with the "safe" option.
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Nah.
He can't even kick straight when it matters.
Trade for sure.
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On field leadership...
Easton Wood just held a premiership cup above his head.
Would be the entire leagues last choice as captain out of the 18 available. Gone are the days of 1 captain leading all. We need to move on from Cotchin leadership bashing excuse. Collective group of leaders is needed not 1 blaming 1 person all the time.
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Wood is a jet
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Brownlow medalist :cheers
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Brownlow medalist :cheers
:cheers he is a champion
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Champion is a term very loosely used
Cotch isn't close
And don't tell me he is because he won a Brownlow, that would mean woewodin is
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Champion is a term very loosely used
Cotch isn't close
And don't tell me he is because he won a Brownlow, that would mean woewodin is
In your opinion :thumbsdown
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If he has a great year, you'll know it was rubbish, saying he felt for watson. Lol.
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Champion is a term very loosely used
Cotch isn't close
And don't tell me he is because he won a Brownlow, that would mean woewodin is
In your opinion :thumbsdown
Yep. It's my opinion.
He's a gun, an excellent footballer.
Not a champion.
Royce Hart was a champion.
Maurice Rioli.
Etc etc
Cotch isn't that level IMO.
Therefore isn't a champion.
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Deserves that Brownlow. What a year he had in 2012. 4 average years since. I reckon at the end of 2012 we were all thinking he was going to be a champion, it's not too late for him as he obviously has what it takes.
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Champion is a term very loosely used
Cotch isn't close
And don't tell me he is because he won a Brownlow, that would mean woewodin is
In your opinion :thumbsdown
Yep. It's my opinion.
He's a gun, an excellent footballer.
Not a champion.
Royce Hart was a champion.
Maurice Rioli.
Etc etc
Cotch isn't that level IMO.
Therefore isn't a champion.
Yep and I am happy to include him the your etc etc...
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Brownlow medalist :cheers
Should change thread title to Trent Cotchin - Brownlow Medalist
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Deserves that Brownlow. What a year he had in 2012. 4 average years since. I reckon at the end of 2012 we were all thinking he was going to be a champion, it's not too late for him as he obviously has what it takes.
I was berated for saying that it had been a flash in the pan season :shh
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Champion is a term very loosely used
Cotch isn't close
And don't tell me he is because he won a Brownlow, that would mean woewodin is
In your opinion :thumbsdown
Yep. It's my opinion.
He's a gun, an excellent footballer.
Not a champion.
Royce Hart was a champion.
Maurice Rioli.
Etc etc
Cotch isn't that level IMO.
Therefore isn't a champion.
Agreed
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Deserves that Brownlow. What a year he had in 2012. 4 average years since. I reckon at the end of 2012 we were all thinking he was going to be a champion, it's not too late for him as he obviously has what it takes.
I was berated for saying that it had been a flash in the pan season :shh
Average for a brownlow medalist. Exceptional for anyone not in the elite bracket ;)
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Plenty of champs never got a brownlow. It is awarded for the year and Cotch and Mitchell were both worthy. Cotch would be much better in a more solid midfield, maybe this year we will see him able to play to his strengths now it is bolstered.
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Just cut out the silly dinky kicks(which he did cut down this season) and he's a gun. Dont know why that crept into his game (i have my theories) but the sooner he drops that bad habit the better for him and his reputation. Is copping an absolute bashing on social media
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Hows on SEN with the consensus being that by handing the Brownlow back, Watson has "added" to the already high level of integrity the Brownlow carries.
No lads, the fact that he cheated and created this situation, then hung onto it for 4 years has "reduced" the integrity of the medal.
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Just cut out the silly dinky kicks(which he did cut down this season) and he's a gun. Dont know why that crept into his game (i have my theories) but the sooner he drops that bad habit the better for him and his reputation. Is copping an absolute bashing on social media
Why has chimp stagnated?
My theory contain the coach and club being morons.
Congrats to the lad. A tiger legend. 26 years old. Still could be anything
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VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-01-24/cotchins-camp-experience-qldcamp
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Cotchin committed to helping his teammates
afl.com.au
January 25, 2017
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin says he is committed to helping his teammates develop, as he prepares for his 10th season at Tigerland.
Speaking from the Sunshine Coast, where the Tigers are in the thick of a week-long pre-season camp, Cotchin said he remained focused on getting the best out of his teammates.
“The areas I’m focusing on don’t change from day-to-day back at the footy club,” Cotchin said.
“The thing I value most about life and footy more importantly, is that I want to get the best out of myself, probably more importantly I want to get the best out of my teammates.
“Whether that be helping them on the track, off the track, with weights, whatever it is.
“I’m not the best at everything, so there’s little things that I can take away from working with other guys that are really good in a certain area, but if I can help them in any way I’ll do what I can.”
The Tigers arrived on the Sunshine Coast on Sunday afternoon and have been put through a tough training schedule.
Cotchin said the camp provided players with the perfect opportunity to stand up as leaders.
“It’s the perfect opportunity for guys to feel more comfortable about who they are first and foremost, and how they fit in amongst the group,” he said.
“We’re probably too early days to see a real shift in that, but there’s always guys that stand up.
“There’s going to be really challenging times, whether that be in training or the outside activities that we do together, where some guys start to go away from what is most important about that session.
“There’s other guys that stand up and bring them back in so it’s really enjoyable to watch, especially when you take a seat and watch that and allow guys the opportunity to stand up and lead.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-01-25/cotchin-committed-to-helping-his-teammates
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
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Hope he helps them out less by trying to bring them into the game by short kicks and instead pumps it long.
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Side issue expecting to cop whacks
My understanding is while up on the Sunshine Coast they are voting for the leadership group which includes captain & vice captain
This article says he is the captain. If they haven't voted shouldn't it worded a little different? Or has the decision been made and the vote makes no difference :huh3
Just comes across as sloppy
Whack away ;D
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Side issue expecting to cop whacks
My understanding is while up on the Sunshine Coast they are voting for the leadership group which includes captain & vice captain
This article says he is the captain. If they haven't voted shouldn't it worded a little different? Or has the decision been made and the vote makes no difference :huh3
Just comes across as sloppy
Whack away ;D
Based on what I've heard, while Hardwick is coach it won't matter who votes. It's like an election in a west African nation.
What's sloppy is the way the club is currently ing run
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
Yes he was helping, alway has and alway will.
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Fingers crossed the playing group makes Rance or Jack captain and vice.
Relinquish Cotchin of the responsibility and let him get back to best form...
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
Yes he was helping, alway has and alway will.
Then why the need to state it now? To reinforce him as captain? Shows the contempt the club has wiith the fans, who they think are idiots.
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
Yes he was helping, alway has and alway will.
Then why the need to state it now? To reinforce him as captain? Shows the contempt the club has wiith the fans, who they think are idiots.
Don't think this is the first time he has publicly stated this. Are you ready too much into this?
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
Yes he was helping, alway has and alway will.
Then why the need to state it now? To reinforce him as captain? Shows the contempt the club has wiith the fans, who they think are idiots.
Don't think this is the first time he has publicly stated this. Are you ready too much into this?
Journos ask questions, they get answered, then they write articles.
Jouurno driven drivel story
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
Yes he was helping, alway has and alway will.
Then why the need to state it now? To reinforce him as captain? Shows the contempt the club has wiith the fans, who they think are idiots.
Don't think this is the first time he has publicly stated this. Are you ready too much into this?
Journos ask questions, they get answered, then they write articles.
Jouurno driven drivel story
The article is a club release
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
Yes he was helping, alway has and alway will.
Then why the need to state it now? To reinforce him as captain? Shows the contempt the club has wiith the fans, who they think are idiots.
Don't think this is the first time he has publicly stated this. Are you ready too much into this?
Journos ask questions, they get answered, then they write articles.
Jouurno driven drivel story
The article is a club release
Check and mate.
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My only question is, which is it?
"The thing I value most about life and footy more importantly, is that I want to get the best out of myself, probably more importantly I want to get the best out of my teammates."
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My only question is, which is it?
"The thing I value most about life and footy more importantly, is that I want to get the best out of myself, probably more importantly I want to get the best out of my teammates."
Maybe its neither and the mofo is fried
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Good to see he has finally committed to helping his teammates. Unless i have read it wrongly?
But why else come out to say he is committed to helping now? Was he not helping for the first 4 years of his captaincy?
Yes he was helping, alway has and alway will.
Then why the need to state it now? To reinforce him as captain? Shows the contempt the club has wiith the fans, who they think are idiots.
Don't think this is the first time he has publicly stated this. Are you ready too much into this?
Journos ask questions, they get answered, then they write articles.
Jouurno driven drivel story
The article is a club release
Check and mate.
Whacketty whack!!
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My only question is, which is it?
"The thing I value most about life and footy more importantly, is that I want to get the best out of myself, probably more importantly I want to get the best out of my teammates."
Maybe its neither and the mofo is fried
So, what he values most about footy is, that he wants to get the most out of himself
but what he values more about footy is he wants to get the best out of his teamates ..... ?
Fired alright.
The club's is worse for publishing self revealing articles like that and having no idea they did.
Some stupid mofos with jobs down there.
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Almost as stupid as the mofos who get all hot and sweaty over this bullpoo
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My understanding is while up on the Sunshine Coast they are voting for the leadership group which includes captain & vice captain
This article says he is the captain. If they haven't voted shouldn't it worded a little different? Or has the decision been made and the vote makes no difference :huh3
He's captain until the moment someone else is voted as captain
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin stood out like a beacon for the Tigers amid the gloom at Adelaide Oval last evening.
Cotchin never stopped trying to lift his team, regardless of Adelaide’s dominance after quarter-time.
He finished the match with a team-high 26 disposals, including a team-high 16 contested possessions, six clearances, six inside-50s, plus a game-high 11 tackles, game-high 33 pressure acts, and a team-high 502 metres gained.
Those 11 tackles took Cotchin’s tackle total this season to 39, which is clearly No. 1 for this category among the Tigers’ playing group, and equal No. 15th overall in the competition.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick singled Cotchin out for praise in his post-game press conference.
“I was happy with the skipper, who battled on . . . the way he put his head down and tried to instil some confidence in the side,” Hardwick said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-01/cotchin-a-shining-light
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He was bloody good in that game especially the way everyone else was getting pack err molested/mugged/mauled. He was getting out of tackles and won contests that nobody had a right to.
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He played a good game and deserves significant credit for the way he played.
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Love Cotch, awesome, we r lucky to have him
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Big props to the capt for really playing well this season. Has copped a lot in recent years with the media going "can't handle a tag" and one season wonder with 2012 but he has lead from the front every game so far this season. Seems to really be flourishing with the retroactively awarded brownlow and the attacking fast movement high tackling game plan
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Cotchin looked frantic and desperate as usual. Was happy with his effort again.
Looking a better captain this year for sure.
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Worse game since the elimination final 2015.
And before anyone says he stood up in the last he couldn't buy a clearance so he went loose man in defence so he could get a kick.
Had his pants pulled all the way down tonight. Absolutely terrible & unacceptable from a captain. :banghead
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Not a captains poohole
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Willing to cut him a bit of slack as he has been very good so far. Had his colours lowered but hopefully will bounce back against a GWS that will be breathing fire after a loss
Edit. Realised we have freo. Please cotch bounce back
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Gees people round here are quick to jump on Cotch. Was a bit quieter than previous weeks but 11 CP's whilst going at 92% DE is pretty solid. For what it's worth was our highest champion data scorer from the game as well.
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Also had eight tackles and our next closest was four.
Surely that will tell something even to the thickest people.
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Agreed being captain must be tough. Is he supposed to be best on ground every game? Hodge ( when captain )Joel Selwood, Travis boak, Callan ward. Bob Murphy.. list goes on.. certainly aren't.
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Agreed being captain must be tough. Is he supposed to be best on ground every game? Like hodge. Joel Selwood, Travis boak, Callan ward. Bob Murphy.. list goes on.. certainly aren't.
Well the way some people carry on that is exactly what is expected
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Agreed being captain must be tough. Is he supposed to be best on ground every game? Like hodge. Joel Selwood, Travis boak, Callan ward. Bob Murphy.. list goes on.. certainly aren't.
Well the way some people carry on that is exactly what is expected
The good thing is that Dimma will still love him
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Agreed being captain must be tough. Is he supposed to be best on ground every game? Like hodge. Joel Selwood, Travis boak, Callan ward. Bob Murphy.. list goes on.. certainly aren't.
Well the way some people carry on that is exactly what is expected
The good thing is that Dimma will still love him
Love Love Love
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Was a bit quieter than usual but seemed to be going head to head with Libya who was quiet. Did what you want your good players to do when they're having a quiet day - ie tackle hard, do the 1%ers well and make sure opponent doesn't influence the game. Cut him some slack
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Was a bit quieter than usual but seemed to be going head to head with Libya who was quiet. Did what you want your good players to do when they're having a quiet day - ie tackle hard, do the 1%ers well and make sure opponent doesn't influence the game. Cut him some slack
Good post and well said.
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Just wish he coul've have won a center clearence or two. We were getting destroyed in there.
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Just wish he coul've have won a center clearence or two. We were getting destroyed in there.
Mmhm. Would have turned a foot soldiers game into a good captains game
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Maybe if his dopey coach hadn't sat with his thumb up his arse all match as usual he might've stood a better chance...
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Was a bit quieter than usual but seemed to be going head to head with Libya who was quiet. Did what you want your good players to do when they're having a quiet day - ie tackle hard, do the 1%ers well and make sure opponent doesn't influence the game. Cut him some slack
He wasn't head to head with just Libba, when in the middle matched up against Bont, Libba and mostly McRae. Swapping with Martin when up forward then Murphy took him most of the time.
I think he was just off his game caught out of position and under the ball for most of it. Played as loose man in defence late in the game too.
Just had a crap game / maybe he's got the flu.
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Player ratings - Moving up
TRENT COTCHIN
2015 pre-season: 70
Now: 32
The Tigers skipper has been maligned at times but he is back to playing some of the best footy of his career. Despite posting two fewer disposals per game than he did in 2014-15, he is averaging close to 100m more per game. Meanwhile, his tackle numbers have also lifted by 3.3 in that time.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-10/player-rankings-who-is-moving-up-and-down-at-your-club
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Player ratings - Moving up
TRENT COTCHIN
2015 pre-season: 70
Now: 32
The Tigers skipper has been maligned at times but he is back to playing some of the best footy of his career. Despite posting two fewer disposals per game than he did in 2014-15, he is averaging close to 100m more per game. Meanwhile, his tackle numbers have also lifted by 3.3 in that time.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-10/player-rankings-who-is-moving-up-and-down-at-your-club
IMO opinion one of the players who suffered the most from the previous gameplan
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Unfairly maligned by the football experts on this site.. :shh
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Yes, "experts":(https://imgfast.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3923655357.gif)
:shh
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Maybe if his dopey coach hadn't sat with his thumb up his arse all match as usual he might've stood a better chance...
To be fair thats a valid point.
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Has been below par for a few weeks now and it's really unacceptable.
Captain needs to extract the digit.
Let's hope he has a great last game of the year leading into the finals series, we really need him to be at his best and he's much better than the pee poor performances he's dishing up at the moment.
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Has been below par for a few weeks now and it's really unacceptable.
Captain needs to extract the digit.
Let's hope he has a great last game of the year leading into the finals series, we really need him to be at his best and he's much better than the pee poor performances he's dishing up at the moment.
Is he on notice?
Difference between "pee poor" and below par for mine. Still getting crucial touches, aside from which he often extracts wins in contests that don't go down as stats (important taps, sheppards etc). Tackle count has been very good.
Not producing the exceptionally elite performances we've been accustomed to. I think its a fair comment to say he's been down a bit lately. Totally unfair to "put him on notice" and describe them as "pee poor".
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Totally agree not putting out enough input for the quality player he is.We need him firing for finals.Needs to break tag to.
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Is he on notice?
Difference between "pee poor" and below par for mine. Still getting crucial touches, aside from which he often extracts wins in contests that don't go down as stats (important taps, sheppards etc). Tackle count has been very good.
Not producing the exceptionally elite performances we've been accustomed to. I think its a fair comment to say he's been down a bit lately. Totally unfair to "put him on notice" and describe them as "pee poor".
Answer this question. If Grigg or Houli had the same output in the last 2 to 3 weeks as Cotchin would you be asking for him to be dropped?
I really think if he wasn't captain their would be a lot more people questioning his output in the last few weeks. Granted his past efforts have given him some grace but he has failed in finals more times than not and our team needs him more than ever to be at his best leading into this finals series.
Totally agree not putting out enough input for the quality player he is.We need him firing for finals.Needs to break tag to.
:thumbsup
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Unfairly maligned by the football experts on this site.. :shh
Unfairly maligned? Is his current output enough for an elite?
Do you think he needs to lift this week?
Do you think he needs to lift in the finals?
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Unfairly maligned by the football experts on this site.. :shh
Unfairly maligned? Is his current output enough for an elite?
Do you think he needs to lift this week?
Do you think he needs to lift in the finals?
If you actually look at games without looking at stats, you see him throwing his body in without fear. He also gets important taps out going our way and intercepts opposition handballs.
Yes, he hasn't been at his best but he has contributed. We have won the majority of games in the second half of the year and he has led well.
I agree that he has to lead from the front during this years finals, but I am happy to give him that chance. He was our best player in the 2013 Elim but was below par in the next two. All our leaders need to lift when it counts though, not just him.
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Unfairly maligned by the football experts on this site.. :shh
Unfairly maligned? Is his current output enough for an elite?
Do you think he needs to lift this week?
Do you think he needs to lift in the finals?
If you actually look at games without looking at stats, you see him throwing his body in without fear. He also gets important taps out going our way and intercepts opposition handballs.
Yes, he hasn't been at his best but he has contributed. We have won the majority of games in the second half of the year and he has led well.
I agree that he has to lead from the front during this years finals, but I am happy to give him that chance. He was our best player in the 2013 Elim but was below par in the next two. All our leaders need to lift when it counts though, not just him.
Absolutely imperative. :thumbsup
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As a football expert, ill just say this - he wouldnt want to turn to water AGAIN in finals otherwise his name will be mud.
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I'm backing him in. Forget the talk of pressure Cotch, just go out and do your stuff.
This year is when he comes of age as a captain.
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I'm backing him in. Forget the talk of pressure Cotch, just go out and do your stuff.
This year is when he comes of age as a captain.
Let's hope he does his job
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Cotch has been awesome this year. Not sure what you Bozzo's are going on about.
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As part of his desire to be hungry around the football I would like to know how many frees he has given up by diving at the ball. It might be me but we seem to have alot of these types of free kicks paid against us and a majority involve Cotch.
I feel when he is heavily tagged he thinks that its one way to involve himself but could be detrimental in a finals game. We need the coaches to look at the way other teams do it but don't make it as obvious and manage to get ball ups in similar situations e.g. the Swans.
Alot of what Cotch offers isn't always obvious especially to those who only get to watch games on TV but he does have a habit of going missing for periods which used to have major impact but now with an even spread of midfield ball winners we can get away with at times.
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Much Better this game. :clapping
Need more of this output and four quarter effort in all finals we play. He's that talented he can even give us more if he wants it enough.
Let's hope he keeps up the intensity and doesn't get distracted by close checking taggers and he's able to work a way through it.
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His pep talk to Rance from the tag he got vs port for me shows he is the right man to lead this club in finals. He might not ignite the field like Martin but to me he the captain our players will go in hard for a premiership tilt
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I hope he knows which way the wind is going.
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Thought he was brilliant yesterday; except for that shocking miss In the 1st
Sometimes it's not about how many times you get it but what you create for others
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Seems like Cotch is judged positively only when the team is winning
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Seems like Cotch is judged positively only when the team is winning
Not by me. Didn't like his games against Freo or Hawks.
But his output in losses has been even more telling.
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Excellent first quarter. :bow
That's what I'm talking about. :clapping
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Great game. Set the standard with 5 tackles in the first quarter and shut up his knockers all night.
That goal in the last was just brilliant and all class. One of those goals that will be replayed for years to come.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/906131808068132864
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Start posting the apologies
You know who you are
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Start posting the apologies
You know who you are
:clapping :clapping
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Cotch was huge.
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I'm going to say that this is what I've been waiting for.
He stood up tonight and set the tone for the whole team in the first quarter. You could actually see it in his attitude and endeavour there was no way he was going to have another finals stinker. :clapping
He actually proved me right in a way and I'm glad. He is too good a player to have sub-standard games and it was really career defining to be honest. I think now that the monkeys off the back he can just show us how good he really is by setting the standards and leading by example this finals series.
I never ever said Cotchin wasn't talented and I'm glad he's proven it in such an important final.
Now I know that he can be a champion leader and hopefully win us that premiership :clapping
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Finally :clapping :clapping :clapping
:bow :bow :bow
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that goal in the 4th. oh my stuffing god
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that goal in the 4th. oh my stuffing god
As good as that was I think that was just the cream on top of a really great performance tonight from our captain. In the first quarter when he tackled Tuohy on the outer wing and then he tackled Selwood on the members wing and slammed him over the boundary we're defining moments.
A fine leadership performance from our captain tonight particularly his first which set the tone and standard the rest of the team followed. :clapping
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watching replay with tissues handy for his goal in final qtr
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Our first goal of the forth I think it was he won a ball he had no right to. Wins the ball on the deck and kicks it out from the bottom of the pack. A few other players got involved before we goalled but that's where it started.
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Trade for 2nd rounder
>:(
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He is a genuine star :cheers
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watching replay with tissues handy for his goal in final qtr
For your eyes or....
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Love how hard and brutal he was at the contest and the man, was absolutley smashing the cats into the turf in the tackle and his desperation to win the ball set the tone for the team.
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Trade for 2nd rounder
>:(
ROFL
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Love how hard and brutal he was at the contest and the man, was absolutley smashing the cats into the turf in the tackle and his desperation to win the ball set the tone for the team.
This.
Set the tone early of what minimum standards were expected. Turned himself into a human battering ram.
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Love how hard and brutal he was at the contest and the man, was absolutley smashing the cats into the turf in the tackle and his desperation to win the ball set the tone for the team.
This.
Set the tone early of what minimum standards were expected. Turned himself into a human battering ram.
Yep
He was exceptional
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin brushes aside past finals showings to produce star performance
LAUREN WOOD,
Herald Sun
9 September 2017
IT had crossed Trent Cotchin’s mind, but the Richmond skipper brushed aside the ghosts of finals past to deliver a blistering captain’s performance on Friday night.
Richmond reached the finals for three years running from 2013, the third of which being a 2015 MCG elimination final against North Melbourne that saw Ben Jacobs run with Cotchin and restrict the star Tiger to just nine possessions with three kicks.
Fast-forward to Friday night’s 51-point win over Geelong — which secured the rampant Tigers a home preliminary final in a fortnight — and Cotchin set the tone early before going on to gather 20 disposals, lay nine hard-hitting tackles and boot an electrifying captain’s goal.
He said he had learned to accept what had happened from 2013-2015, had grown and a person and, come Friday night, was ready to atone.
“100 per cent it’s popped into my head during the week and having the bye you have that extra week (to think about it),” Cotchin said.
“But you just accept that that happened.
“We’re a different team. I think I’m a different player, and I value different things to what I have in the past. And it’s a different group. It’s good.”
The “proud” 27-year-old said that the team has carried the weight of those disappointments. Not anymore.
“You do (carry that weight) ... not so much in individual performances, but as a team over the last three efforts in finals,” the captain said.
“The reality is, that’s the history, but we’ve just got to focus on the now which we’ve been pretty strong at. And we’ve still got some areas to improve but we look forward to working on those over the next two weeks and waiting eagerly to see who we’ll be playing.”
Former Richmond assistant coach David King said on SEN that the Tigers’ “unique crowd ... want so much for Trent Cotchin to be the star”, describing his performance on Friday night as “constant”.
It is a result, Cotchin said, of both him and Richmond doing its fair share of growing up.
“The basis of that growth is just about guys being comfortable with who they are rather than trying to be someone that they’re not,” he said.
“If you’re constantly just showing up and being yourself — to the world, not just to the football club — then you live a pretty happy life.
“If you’re happy, you typically perform pretty well. We all have our downs at times, but that energy and that environment has helped players bounce back from having those down moments.”
Not only do they now play with the freedom that now sees them in a preliminary final, but the Tigers have learned to live with freedom, too.
“Probably. I think we were probably trying to pigeonhole everyone into being one sort of person,” Cotchin said.
“Now, we complement each other and it’s a real strength.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-brushes-aside-past-finals-showings-to-produce-star-performance/news-story/d78aa4e676b7ab2823db9b31f4151490
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Trent Cotchin cleans up rubbish in changerooms
Herald Sun
9 September 2017
TRENT Cotchin was lauded for his leadership in Richmond’s massive qualifying final win.
The Tigers captain threw himself at the footy and his opponents from the first bounce until the final siren against Geelong, leading from the front with the one-percenters that coaches love in finals.
And he was still switched on well after the final siren.
Cotchin was the last player to leave the MCG, and his final act was picking up rubbish from under chairs in the changerooms. He even had the presence of mind to put the used Gatorade bottles in the red recycling bin.
“As Trent was leaving he noticed a bit of rubbish in the rooms and thought, ‘That’s not good enough’, so he decided to clean it up — and that shows what sort of bloke he is,” Cameron Ling noted on Channel 7.
Cotchin has clearly accepted the baton of retired Tiger favourite Ivan Maric, who made a name for himself cleaning up the Tigers rooms.
Coach Damien Hardwick is one of Cotchin’s biggest fans.
“That’s why he is the captain. He was outstanding today — smashed in, contested ball … everything you want your captain to do, he led from the front.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/trent-cotchin-leads-from-the-front-cleaning-up-rubbish-in-richmond-changerooms/news-story/97bd3c191a9e684d37687166335fe682
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2 from 4 now... :clapping :gotigers
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2 from 4 now... :clapping :gotigers
Yep. 3 from 5 and the 4 from 6 and all will be right with the world!
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Just out of interest for someone who could not be at the game, was Cotchin tagged?
Difficult to tell on the TV.
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IIRC Guthrie and another Geelong player who I can't immediately recall -Stewart I think- were rotating between Cotchin & Martin, then Stewart was swapping between them after Guthrie went down but pretty much just gave up in the last...
stuff I just finished watching the match again on IQ too....mind you I've had a few....
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I think I've watched the last 40 mins about 5 times.
I can't remember a better period of a Richmond game in my life
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At least not since Northey was coach.....
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his tackle on scott selwood over the boundary in the 1st. So hard
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his tackle on scott selwood over the boundary in the 1st. So hard
Selwood looks to hit him then realises its cotchin "better not" :snidegrin
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A brilliant captain's game. His goal in the last quarter was goal of the year.
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Fresh approach has helped captain Cotchin: Walls
By Alex Zaia
SEN
11 September 2017
Richmond star Trent Cotchin’s new outlook on his captiancy has been key to him growing into the role, according to Carlton premiership coach Robert Walls.
Cotchin was hugely influential in the Tigers stirring Qualifying Final win over Geelong, as he physically asserted himself on the contest with a number of bone crunching tackles and ferocious attacks on the footy.
Speaking on Hungry for Sport, Walls believes the 2012 Brownlow Medallist has handled the heavy onus of leading by example while also meeting the high expectations from an individual perspective much better then previous seasons.
“I think he needed to play a good final because his last couple were just ok by his standards,” he said.
“Even with his columns this year it seems to me as if it’s a fresh approach. The burden of captaincy or being part of a team that had struggled just seemed to get the better of him for a while.
“I take my hat off to him, I think he has had a terrific year. He has lead from the front.”
Following the Tigers drought breaking finals victory, footage emerged of the 27-year-old cleaning the rooms in an act that epitomised his exemplary leadership style.
Walls recalled a story of similar nature when he was coaching the Brisbane Bears during his four year stint, only this time a certain young player had to be pulled into line in regards to change room educate.
“When I was coaching the Brisbane Bears many, many years ago we got a number one draft pick who came to the club. I won’t mention his name because I don’t want to embarrass him, he had a bit to learn; he was only 17,” he said.
“After one training session he took the tape off his ankles and threw it to the rubbish bin, missed the bin and this big pile of tap laid on the floor.
“Andrew Bews, a senior player at the time, picked him up by the scruff of the neck and took him ten metres across and said pick it up and put it in the bin and show some respect for the place.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/11/fresh-approach-has-helped-captain-cotchin-walls/
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Has had an absolute cracker, got us moving in the third by being the hardest prick out there
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He stuffed up 2 giants players. So hard at it
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Holy poo. What a game Cotch.
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best captains game ive seen him play
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Cotch was amazing, I'm very proud.
Answered all his critics and then some :bow
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Tore into everything like a tiger
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Was the best player my a mile. Just wanted to win and went for every contest as if his life depended on it.
I'm so proud of the bloke. Answered all his critics (including me). I knew he had it in him and I'm so glad he has been able to produce when it really counts.
:clapping
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Cotchin was again outstanding against the Giants, leading the Tigers in possessions (26, 17 of them contested), clearances (seven) and tackles (nine).
Hardwick felt his skipper was best on ground.
"He's an incredible player, he's taken his game to a new level. (I'm) just so glad to have him, the way that he leads our club."
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-23/shiels-day-done-tigers-skipper-could-face-mrp)
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Captain Trent Cotchin had a team-high 513m gained on Saturday and was a mighty contributor. In the build-up to Martin's last quarter goal he juggled a contested mark on the boundary line and pumped the ball inside 50 for the fourth time. His ability to win crucial contests all day kept the pressure on GWS and the ball surging forward for his team. His kick forward was one of 26 possessions (17 contested) and he had team-high clearances (seven) and tackles (nine).
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-23/the-moment-dustys-magic-seals-it)
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SNIP
Dredging up 3 y.o. posts to rile, troll & bait people is poor form. But at the same time it doesn't give people the right to throw petty insults at each other
Stick to the topic :banghead
Pretty sure we won last night not too hard to enjoy it I wouldnt have thought
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Cotch made me (us) proud yesterday.
The Captain has arrived.
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He was always there just some couldn't see it
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No
Potentially yes.
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An outstanding captain's game. His attack on the football was awesome.
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He was always there just some couldn't see it
This
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Did our game plan "ruin" his career? Could have been anything in 2012/2013. Game plan changed and Cotchin suffered. Back to his best with this game plan :bow
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He was always there just some couldn't see it
This
Trade for 2nd rounder >:(
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Based on what I saw in the VFL today, I'd bring in Lloyd and rotate him with Caddy & Townsend before Miles , though really, neither comes close to being an adequate replacement....
...oh well least we'd have a good excuse if we lost.....better than blaming a stupid stuffing streaker anyway....
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More chance of the CIA finding the Lee Harvey Oswald files the misplaced that need to e legally released this month ... Than the chimp dog getting rubbed out. :shh
Bazza decapitated a bloke as was allowed to play :lol
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More chance of the CIA finding the Lee Harvey Oswald files the misplaced that need to e legally released this month ... Than the chimp dog getting rubbed out. :shh
Bazza decapitated a bloke as was allowed to play :lol
no match review panel back then mate.
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nathan templeton on twitter saying cotch has been cleared by the mvp
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Tyson Ottonews.com.au
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin is free to play in the AFL grand final, according to a report.
The star midfielder’s high bump to the head of Giants gun Dylan Shiel was reviewed by the AFL Match Review Panel on Monday morning.
Cotchin collected Shiel across the chin with his shoulder while cannoning into the contest to try and win a disputed ball in the first quarter of Richmond’s preliminary final victory of GWS at the MCG.
Channel 7 reported on Monday morning that Cotchin has been cleared, less than two hours after MRP members began their review of reportable offences across both preliminary finals.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/afl-match-review-panel-announces-trent-cotchin-grand-final-fate/news-story/b75273764d6d81a41dcbfbdaca7f7af0?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook
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Thanks Andy.
Nathan Templeton:
https://mobile.twitter.com/nathantemp7/status/912116246048514048
Patrick Keane:
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane/status/912125316226719744
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Chimps hit on shields was amazing
:o
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Just so long as the AFL don't stick their head in a la Bacher Houli
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More chance of the CIA finding the Lee Harvey Oswald files the misplaced that need to e legally released this month ... Than the chimp dog getting rubbed out. :shh
Bazza decapitated a bloke as was allowed to play :lol
Haha. You mean the bloke that was given the lowest marine grade for shot accuracy and capacity that made 2 hits from 3 shots in 6.5 seconds from 80 metres away?
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I think Bents just hacked Dougey's account.... :shh
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wooohooo!
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Chimps hit was magic but I think it was Astbury that did te damage.
That bump put him into next week :gotigers
Good player that kid
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Cotchin always believed in Richmond's destiny
afl.com.au
30 September 2017
TRENT Cotchin sensed earlier this season Richmond was capable of winning the premiership.
After the disappointment of playing in three consecutive elimination finals losses from 2013-15 and slumping to 13th last season, Cotchin had a feeling the 2017 group was ready to break the club's 37-year flag drought.
"I probably had conversations earlier in the year in bed with my wife, Brooke. I just said there was something special about this group," Cotchin said.
"I don't know why, it was just a feeling I had and we've just continued to grow ever since."
Cotchin's comments underline how quickly Richmond has been able to turn things around since its dismal 2016.
The Richmond skipper had an "open and honest" conversation with long-time teammate Jack Riewoldt at the end of that season, when the dual Coleman medallist said he didn't see himself winning a premiership before he retired.
The Tigers started 2017 5-0 but came back to earth when they were thumped by Adelaide by 76 points in round six and then lost their next three games.
But they regrouped to drop just three more games for the year – to Sydney by nine points in round 13, St Kilda by 67 points in round 16 and Geelong by 14 points in round 21 – to finish the home and away season in third, their first top-four finish under coach Damien Hardwick.
By the time they had notched their first finals wins since 2001, over Geelong by 51 points and Greater Western Sydney by 36 points, the Tiger Army, if not the rest of the football world, shared Cotchin's belief that 2017 was destined to be their year.
After leading by 34 points at three-quarter time, Richmond's fairytale was never in danger of a shock twist as the Tigers kept the Crows at bay in the last term. Not that Cotchin allowed himself to look too far forward.
"I was on the bench with about 10 minutes to go. I thought that was a little bit too long (to think we had the game won)," Cotchin said.
"It was about seven or eight minutes by the time I got back on, I think we kicked one more after that. I just had to soak it up and remain focused on what we needed to do.
"It was more emptiness at the end of the game, just to see how each and every one of the boys reacts, how special it is for them.
"I couldn't be more thankful to be part of the group. It's a special football club."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-09-30/cotchin-always-believed-in-tiger-destiny
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I make that 4 out of 6 good finals for Cotch.
Not sure how long his body will hold up with the way he throws it into the contests, surprised he hasn't broken a rib or two.
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Richmond premiership captain has a nice ring to it. About time the baton was taken from the old blokes.
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So is Cotch going to retire? :shh
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Cotch=AFL captain of the year,
I reckon hodge stuck it to Cotch in the pfooty show, well suck poo Hodge
TRENT COTCHIN premiership captain
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So is Cotch going to retire? :shh
good call but he has a contract
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From the draft to the cup: Trent Cotchin
Today, we focus on Richmond’s drafting of Trent Cotchin.
It was a race in two between talented Northern Knights pair Matthew Kreuzer and Trent Cotchin for who would be the No. 1 pick at the 2007 AFL national draft.
Read full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-11-16/from-the-draft-to-the-cup-trent-cotchin
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From the draft to the cup: Trent Cotchin
Read full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-11-16/from-the-draft-to-the-cup-trent-cotchin
“But you rest assured that he would bounce back the next week, which was against South Australia in a deluge in Melbourne.
“Trent was outstanding. He showed his true character, fighting back from an ordinary game the week before in Perth.”
This is the National U18 Champs game I saw live at Princes Park - Vic Metro vs SA. He was class above and I was on the bandwagon from then on and was hoping we'd select him at pick 2 when some others wanted Cale Morton :help. There's probably a match report I posted on here about that game. There was this one 50 pass in the wet from HB to HF that landed perfectly over the shoulder of his teammate running with the flight who had a defender right on him. Cotch also played with an injured shoulder throughout those Champs so he was played on the outside more than usual. One of the reasons he was tagged out of the game the week before in Perth.
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A new level of greatness may beckon for Cotchin
Wayne Carey
The Age
21 March 2018
If you’d said 12 months ago Trent Cotchin would soon be a premiership captain, most would have thought you were joking.
Both he and the Tigers were under the pump.
But now Richmond’s flag drought is over, and Cotchin sits comfortably alongside Joel Selwood as the best skipper in the game.
While Taylor Walker might have been voted the AFL’s best captain by his peers in the past two years, it’s a title Cotchin can rightly claim.
Not only did he play in Selwood-type fashion, he led like him too, and without Trent at the helm the Tigers’ triumph would not have been possible.
His evolution as a leader came before that success.
We always knew he was a classy footballer, since being drafted behind Matthew Kreuzer back in 2007, yet his leadership has often been questioned.
At one stage, there were even calls for Jack Riewoldt to replace him as captain.
But amid the scrutiny and criticism, Cotchin has found a way to elevate his game to new heights.
Already a Brownlow medallist and three-time best and fairest winner before last season, 2017 was easily his best year – even if he missed out on any of those individual honours.
From the outside looking in, you get the sense those accolades don’t mean as much to him as they once did. They don’t drive him.
As he’s matured, Cotchin seemingly does everything for his teammates and the Richmond Football Club.
He’s developed a selflessness that’s made those around him better, Dustin Martin included. Above all else, that is the mark of a great leader.
While no one could ever accuse him of being soft, he’s also managed to develop a hard edge that’s become infectious at Punt Road.
With a deceptive burst of speed, he’s been a bull around the contests.
Clearly, he’s wanted to be more aggressive and prove he won’t be pushed around and, at times, has walked a fine line.
While he nearly missed the grand final after his bump on Dylan Shiel, it’s that same ''edge'' that’s allowed him to dominate the big moments.
Before last year’s final series he admitted he’d let his team down during September in the past.
But in the qualifying final against Geelong those demons were put to bed with 20 disposals, a number of bone-crunching tackles and an inspirational goal in the final quarter.
From there, he only got better on the road to the premiership.
Over that period, Cotchin proved his game was no longer about getting 30 or 35 disposals a match.
In the statistics-driven modern game, it’s the little things that don’t always show up on the stats sheet that once again show the growth in his leadership.
Still, being a premiership captain can be a double-edged sword.
It allows you to demand more of those around you, but also comes with a different type of pressure that Cotchin wouldn’t have had to deal with before.
There is expectation, and there is a much sharper focus on you and your teammates from the opposition.
But given what we’ve heard from Trent over the summer, it seems the Tigers’ success has only given him a greater perspective on life and football.
The challenge for him this year is to replicate what he produced last season. If he can do that, a new level of greatness beckons for Richmond’s fearless No. 9.
Even at just 27, Cotchin is already a Tiger hall of famer.
Now though, he has the opportunity to sit alongside the likes of Kevin Bartlett and Jack Dyer in club folklore by leading a sustained period of success.
It’s a rare chance and one you’d back Cotchin to strive for, so expect him to return just as hungry in 2018, starting against Carlton on Thursday night.
And if you can’t spot him out on the vast expanses of the MCG just look for the guy at the bottom of the pack, or the one laying the tough tackle. Chances are that’s him.
http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/a-new-level-of-greatness-may-beckon-for-cotchin-20180321-p4z5hp.html
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin sold Woodland St, Strathmore house shortly after flag win
Samantha Landy
Herald-Sun
22 March 2018
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has sold his multimillion-dollar Strathmore house off the back of his club’s breakthrough premiership win, it has been revealed.
The Herald Sun understands Cotchin and his wife Brooke earned between $4-$4.5 million for the Woodland St pad, which they fully renovated and extended, in a private deal in November.
The four-bedroom, four-bathroom California bungalow also boasts a tennis court, pool and pool house on a substantial 1158sq m block.
The sale was inked about a month after Cotchin, 27, led the Tigers to their first flag in 37 years.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/melbourne-vic/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-scores-strathmore-house-success-shortly-after-premiership-win/news-story/abb65478b8babfc4d51fcc90423d236e
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin sold Woodland St, Strathmore house shortly after flag win
Samantha Landy
Herald-Sun
22 March 2018
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has sold his multimillion-dollar Strathmore house off the back of his club’s breakthrough premiership win, it has been revealed.
The Herald Sun understands Cotchin and his wife Brooke earned between $4-$4.5 million for the Woodland St pad, which they fully renovated and extended, in a private deal in November.
The four-bedroom, four-bathroom California bungalow also boasts a tennis court, pool and pool house on a substantial 1158sq m block.
The sale was inked about a month after Cotchin, 27, led the Tigers to their first flag in 37 years.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/melbourne-vic/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-scores-strathmore-house-success-shortly-after-premiership-win/news-story/abb65478b8babfc4d51fcc90423d236e
Should turn the place into a temple
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200 AFL games this week for our premiership captain :clapping :bow
The 28th Tiger to reach the 200 game milestone.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-27/cotchin-to-join-the-200-club
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Cotch's resume is pretty impressive these days.
Brownlow
Premiership Captain
All Australian
Jack Dyer medal
Needs to add a Norm Smith this year.
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Pfft...only came good last year....
#poorleader
#soft
#nomongrel
#lacksthekillerinstinct
#plasticyesman
#cantkick
#missinginfinals
#Jackforcaptain
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:lol
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Congratulations to him. Deserves considerable credit for this achievement.
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Some of the comments on page 1 :lol
We need Masten.
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Some of the comments on page 1 :lol
We need Masten.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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masten is the type of player of need in preference to cotchin but cotchin is a class above masten.
He has the potential to be a star player whereas IMHO masten will become a more modest very good player in the haselby mould.
BTW hasleby might be coming to richmond through the PSD, let us all pray :pray
Amazing!
Kruezer who??!!
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I would love the tigers to over run Adelaide and for Cotchin to stick it up to Walker
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It's been a long hard road, a gutsy road, one that has been traversed through many highs and way to many lows and deserves all that he has achieved as a fair dinkum awesome player and a fantastic person.
Congrats Cotchy, hope you're round for another 120 odd games :bow :clapping and thanks for all that you have put in thus far.
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After going through this whole period looking at what we should pick and having been on the Cale Morton bandwagon because of his carnival, I now feel that we should just take the midfielder in Cotchin. He'll play 200 games, he seems like he does want to come to Richmond, so for the sake of it all, the risk free decision is to take Trent Cotchin- besides sometimes you have to just take the very good footballer instead of the hoped for superstar. Ive seen far to many potential champions come to Punt Rd and amount to nothing. So its Trent Cotchin at 2 for mine.
:cheers
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Reading the weekend papers it sometimes feels like the media are daring us to take Morton over Cotchin or vice versa so they can say "oh the Tigers have stuffed up"
I reckon we should just flip a coin Saturday morning ;D
Glad we didn't end up flipping a coin WP? :rollin
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Well done Trent. Excellent achievement, let’s hope the boys can give you the tribute you deserve on field tonight by humiliating the crows in front of their stupid supporters and all their internet members. :gotigers
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Didn’t happen.
Poor form by the boys not to get up for their captain.
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Considered Cotchin talks about terrible 2016 season, fighting footy stereotypes, Dustin Martin
Hamish McLachlan
Sunday Herald Sun
April 1, 2018
TRENT Cotchin. Footballer. Best and Fairest. Brownlow medallist. Premiership captain. Father of two. Level headed. Wise beyond his years. Caring. Generous. Humble. Considered and thoughtful. A ripper.
HM: How were your days spent growing up?
TC: I think being a typical kid, Hame! I grew up in Reservoir with a pretty big back yard, and I spent a lot of time with Dad kicking the footy. We had a bike track next door, so golf and footy, any sort of sport, really, was played. I’m just a typical Reservoir kid!
HM: Close family?
TC: Yep, very lucky. I’ve got an older and a younger sister. We spent a lot of time together. The younger one is a little bit further apart in years than my older sister and I. We all played together a lot, knocked teeth out with indoor basketball and footy games, all standard stuff.
HM: Pretty standard. When did you realise you could play football better than most around you?
TC: Umm … that’s a good question. It’s probably something the old man would be better answering. I was always a good player in the juniors, and I tried to play in the age group above what I was, or I’d fill in for the U/11s when I was U/9s, or U/13s when I was U/11s. I felt like I competed okay, but I was always very little, and that was my No. 1 concern.
HM: There must have been a point where you made the conscious decision that you didn’t want to be a chippie or a doctor or a lawyer, but you wanted to be a professional footballer. When was that?
TC: I always dreamt of being an AFL player, but if I look back now, I probably subconsciously made decisions as a year 9 or 10 student to not attend parties as much, and things like that. It wasn’t as evident in my life as it was in a lot of my friends. There were guys that were equally or similarly talented in the sport, that may or may not have gone on because of the choices they made. That’s not to say that kids shouldn’t be kids and experience that part of their life, but I think subconsciously I made that decision as early as 14 or 15.
HM: You were making those decisions because you thought “if I sacrifice now, it will help me become an AFL footballer”, or do you think it was your personality? You’re not a big drinker now.
TC: I’m not a big drinker now, but it was probably a combination. I always made sure I was in bed at a certain time the night before a game from as young as 10! In saying that, I never prepared the same way for basketball, it was just for the footy.
HM: You were made captain of Richmond at 22, the youngest Richmond captain in 100 years. When you were asked, were there any reservations?
TC: None. There was a lot excitement and a bit of angst, but the thing that I now know is how much I didn’t know. If I had have known what I needed to know, I would have been s--- scared.
HM: I assume you thought you were ready.
TC: I did, but I wasn’t. I don’t think you can ever be ready.
HM: What do you know now that you didn’t then?
TC: My greatest lesson I’ve learnt came to me even as late as the 2016 off-season. I started to realise that I didn’t need to be Luke Hodge or Nick Riewoldt or Joel Selwood. I just needed to find Trent Cotchin and be the best version of me. That’s been an incredible learning for me.
HM: Who opened that door of awareness for you?
TC: Ben Crowe, who’s now a great friend. It wasn’t just about leadership and managing a team in a sense, but his No. 1 focus for me was just finding myself initially, and then determining how we would build on that once that was achieved.
HM: How did you end up talking with Ben, who has become a mentor of yours? Who introduced you?
TC: It was the morning after the 2016 Best and Fairest. I was at Crown, and I was battling a bit with a whole host of things, and (wife) Brooke and I had a conversation, and it was sort of a “what the f--- is happening with me” conversation. It was Neville Crowe’s funeral later that morning, and I spent a good hour or so on the phone to Brooke’s dad. He was talking about how he engaged with a business mentor or a life coach — however you want to put it. He put me in touch with his, and I just opened up to Dimma at the funeral. Dimma was feeling vulnerable at that time too, and he said that he was starting to see Crowey and it was really helping. I met with Ben and just connected straight away. I caught up with him and didn’t really look back.
HM: You were obviously feeling a little lost or vulnerable to ring your father-in-law, Rick Kennedy, looking for help?
TC: I think I plummeted without knowing that I’d plummeted after the 2016 season finished. Articles were still being written about me and the club. We’d had a horrible year, we were all in a bit of a free-fall. I probably don’t speak enough about the support Brooke is. She suggested that I call her dad. I also spoke to Gerard Murphy that morning; he was our leadership co-ordinator at the club at that time.
HM: Was the negativity coming through both the mainstream and social media affecting you?
TC: Yeah, it was, even though I was thinking I could block it out. I’ve always been one of those people that can say, “you know what, it’s just a keyboard warrior”, but I think the two sort of collided, and it got to me. If a journalist writes an article about your performance on the weekend, or about you not being a leader that people are expecting, then you’ve got people on social media piling on, it can get heavy. I think that was when the cracks started to appear, and it split open.
HM: And you got your head around it with help?
TC: Yeah … the greater awareness you have of yourself and what is truly important to you, and which opinions really matter, you build your resilience, and you effectively create a shield and you don’t care about what’s said.
HM: I can’t remember who it was I read who recently said: “What other people think of me is none of my business.”
TC: Yep, it’s the perfect way of approaching it.
HM: So what about those around you that aren’t as philosophical and as strong as you. How badly do you reckon they get affected?
TC: I reckon that’s the biggest part about why athletes start to suffer. Partners, parents, family, friends; they’re the ones that read most of it, because typically you’re educated not to read it or to ignore it. They don’t have the same coping mechanisms, nor do they have the opportunity to go out there and prove people wrong on the weekend or in training, or speak about it if they get a chance. The more of a burden it starts to become for them, the more it affects the way they behave, or the way they speak to you and pass on information. I think it snowballs, and those cracks become even bigger.
HM: It’s a privileged life. You get to play the game you grew up loving, you get well looked after, but you are highly scrutinised. You are judged, criticised, analysed. That’s the price you pay?
TC: I think it’s also the perspective you have on why or how they judge you. Typically, a football club is judged on wins and losses, but if you’re really confident with the work you’re doing inside the four walls, the growth you’re having from the brand of footy you’re playing, or the work you’re doing from a culture aspect; these are the things that people commentating on the game don’t really understand and don’t know. If you don’t focus too much on the outcome and just focus on the things that are actually going well for you, then typically those judgments shouldn’t affect you as much.
HM: Depending on who you listened to, Damien Hardwick “had to go” from the Richmond Football Club at the end of 2016. If the board listened to the noise outside or didn’t know itself as well as it does, there’s a high chance the Richmond Football Club wouldn’t be the premiers. It says a lot about the strength of the club’s leadership.
TC: Absolutely. That’s right. If you took the populist view from outside at the time, Dimma probably goes. But the populist view, although easy to take, isn’t always the right one. I commended Peggy, Brendon and the board in my season launch speech. They stood firm. Dimma was the right man, they knew that, and they didn’t get swayed by people yelling opinions formed with limited information.
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HM: Damien Hardwick in a sentence?
TC: A true family man that values more than just his job.
HM: Last year lots of things changed. What were the three pieces you all had to talk of in front of everyone?
TC: A hero, a hardship and a highlight.
HM: Everyone did it. What has it done to the club and the individuals within it?
TC: It’s really hard to explain. We can bring a football player here from another football club and show him the facilities and some really good people, but for them to really understand what we’re so proud of, and what makes our club so great to be a part of, you’d have to live it for months.
HM: It’s different to what it was because you all allowed yourselves to be stripped back?
TC: It is, yeah. I know everyone very differently to before we had the chats. It is like we are all brothers, rather than just football colleagues. It is powerful, and as a result, I just love walking in here in the mornings.
HM: That hasn’t always been the case?
TC: No, it wasn’t, and that was my fault. It comes back to letting the weight of the world sit on your shoulders, because you were expected to win or you were expected to have a good year. Everyone is expecting to have a good year, but what are we actually doing to ensure we give ourselves an opportunity to have a good year? What are we valuing every day that makes us feel good? As you said before, we’re playing a game that people walking past us right now would dream of having one shot at, for one game or one minute.
HM: Just on the learnings from last year: your acceptance of your own vulnerability and others seems to be almost the key pillar of the change. Is that fair?
TC: I wouldn’t say the key pillar, but maybe one of the pillars. The moment I showed up in pre-season, going into 2017, I just laid out how I felt. What I was good at, what I wasn’t good at, what I loved, what I didn’t love. I talk about the weight on the shoulders. That instantly made me relax into life, not just footy. I think it gave guys the power to come forward and speak about the same struggles, or the things that they love, and it just instantly helped with connection. When I was having a coffee with some of the youngest players on the list, I thought I had good relationships with them, but it went from just being teammates to being brothers.
HM: Has your family life strengthened through the process as a result of how you’ve treated yourself and everyone at the club?
TC: Yeah, absolutely. The greatest thing about finding my “why”, in a sense, was just the connection it’s had in all walks of life, not just footy. Every relationship I have is stronger.
HM: Two hundred games last Thursday night. From them, excluding the (2017) grand final, which is the one moment you’ve enjoyed the most?
TC: It would have to be the prelim last year. It was the purest of Richmond football fans that were watching the game at the ’G. Ninety-five per cent of the crowd was on our side. The noise at the end, and the passion, and the joy it gave people to get through to the grand final … it was a feeling that gave me shivers then, and gives me shivers now just talking about it. The other one would be my 150th game running out with Harper, and I can’t wait to do it with both girls this week.
HM: One of the best photos that I have I took on the iPhone. It’s of you with your two daughters on the ground. It was the ultimate. The premiership captain with his family, on the MCG in front of still 80,000 people after the 20,000 crows had disappeared.
TC: I must admit, for a lot of the lap of honour all I wanted to do was see all my girls — not just the kids — on the field, which I was very thankful for in the end. Not everyone got their family on the field, but it was a pretty special moment.
HM: You’re a young husband and a young father. You always wanted to be both from what I gather?
TC: Yeah. You also need to find the right partner for that too! I probably wouldn’t have had kids quite as young if I hadn’t met Brooke, with the love she has for children and family. I wouldn’t change it for the world. While I really enjoyed my wedding, I wish I had had the chance to speak as a more mature person.
HM: What has fatherhood given you that you didn’t think it would?
TC: That’s a tough question. I think I always had pretty high expectations around fatherhood and how much I would love it. There’s a lot more challenges than you think, but lessons that you can’t learn in any other way, I don’t reckon.
HM: Did you think it was possible to love something like you love your kids?
TC: Nope — it is actually hard to describe to people who don’t have kids. You get excited about your mother-in-law or parents having them for a night, and then half an hour after they are gone, you’re missing them! I get upset when Brooke tells me her mum is picking up Harper from kinder, because I want to pick them up!
HM: Will you have more if you can?
TC: Maybe one more. A wise man once told me: “You’ll never regret the kids you do have, but you might regret the ones you don’t.” Maybe we’ll end up with 10! (laughs).
HM: Why did you fall in love with Brooke?
TC: She’s very attractive, but I think her heart is just full of goodness. There’s a lot of detail behind Brooke herself, and I’ll keep that to myself, but she is a unique person. The care she has for people is nothing short of outstanding.
HM: At what stage last year did you think the Tigers could win the premiership?
TC: I was in bed with Brooke, and I reckon it was round six. We lost to Adelaide on a Saturday night, and I remember distinctly saying the words: “I don’t know what it is, but I just have a weird feeling about us as a group. We are unique, and I reckon we can win the whole lot.” That’s not to say that those words mightn’t have been challenged at times!
HM: You become a premiership captain. Just the eighth premiership captain at the club. Do you have a sense of how significant that is in terms of the history of the club?
TC: I don’t think about what it means to me, but they way we’ve impacted people’s lives is incredible. I love that, and the stories that have humbled me. I spoke at the season launch about a family who consisted of two brothers and a father. They said the one thing they would ensure they’d do together was see a Tigers premiership. One of the brothers passed away at the start of last year, but they continued to purchase a ticket for him all year. That included a grand final ticket. They shed tears in the last quarter, and then they had an opportunity to have a photo with the premiership cup. They left a space for the brother. They’re the sorts of stories that are just incredible, and make the journey absolutely worth it.
HM: Such a great story. I reckon the moment of the season for me was when the cameras caught Brendon Gale breaking down, Peggy consoling him, and Richo just unable to control his emotions. It is a game that makes people feel so much.
TC: More than I can imagine. I get it now; I understand it. Early days, even the love I had for footy growing up, I don’t think I was ever a passionate football supporter, but living and breathing yellow and black for the last 10 or 11 years, I now get it. Fans have supported them for their whole lives!
HM: Dustin Martin. What do you reckon the greatest misconception is about your great mate?
TC: There’s a lot! I think the best thing about him having to do more media in the last 12 months is that people are starting to see the genuine loving and caring human being that Dustin is. He would literally die for people.
HM: He is one of your choices as babysitter of your kids.
TC: Yep.
HM: I don’t think you can basically give someone more praise than saying: “I will leave my two children with you, and you’re in charge.”
TC: He was coming over for dinner, and asked me what I was doing in the afternoon. I said I had Harper’s swimming lessons, and he immediately he was like, “Oh, what time, I’ll pop over”. There’s a lot of people there and he had to have a couple of photos, and that can sometimes challenge Dusty, but for a guy that could have easily just said that he’d meet us back at home in five, only to come an hour and fifteen minutes earlier because he knows how much it means to Harper; that’s just special.
HM: You at one point said to Dusty, “you’ve got a bumpy road ahead of you, come and live with me”.
TC: Yeah, I think he’d be the first to say that was his lowest point.
HM: What was he battling at the time?
TC: Just everything, really. How to live the right life to get the best out of himself. He had challenges with a bit of anxiety and so forth that he was seeking help for, but I think he just needed an arm. Brooke and I welcomed him into our house.
HM: So give me the Dustin Martin — as you know him — in a sentence.
TC: One of the most genuine and caring humans that’s grateful for what he has.
HM: When I say “grand final”, what immediately comes to your mind?
TC: Just happiness. And a smile.
HM: Jack Riewoldt. Better on field, or on stage with The Killers on Grand Final Day last year?
TC: (laughs) Horrific on stage! His voice could penetrate any ear drum, violently, he’s a terrible singer and a poor dancer. Good footballer though.
HM: I feel like you have never been more connected with football than now.
TC: I tried to live a life where I was Trent Cotchin, the Richmond AFL player, and Trent Cotchin the family man. I pushed footy away, but one of my light-bulb moments was that I could be both and still be the one person that I really wanted to be. I was forever trying to push away the stereotypes that all AFL players take drugs or they treat women with disrespect. I thought that if I lived a life where I was still embracing being Trent the AFL player, people would still paint me with that brush. Now I’m mature enough to know that I can still live by the same morals and behave in the same way and try to be an example for people, but be Trent in both senses.
HM: You won the Brownlow in 2016, four years after you’d played out the year. You’ve always slightly been uncomfortable about it. Do you feel more at ease with being a Brownlow medallist now you’re a premiership captain?
TC: I just feel at ease being a premiership captain, I think. I accept and acknowledge that taking out one of the game’s greatest honours for a season is a real feat, but for me, I’ve played the game because I love team sport, and being a premiership captain resembles exactly what I’m about.
HM: You are the captain of one of the biggest clubs in the land. Steve Smith is captain of, arguably, our most followed national team. How do you think he will be affected going forward from here, given the past week?
TC: It’s really hard for any individual to comment on without having all the information. It’s going to be the most challenging time of his life. He’ll have some people that support him, and he will need them, and he’ll have others that want his head cut off, in a sense. That’s the nature of sport, Australian sport, and being the leader of your team. I hope he copes with it. We all make mistakes.
HM: What would you do on returning home?
TC: Geeee … mmm … maybe get on the front foot. I think I’d be inclined to just open up to the world as to why. There may be a reason — who knows — and people won’t agree with it, but if you put yourself out there and just own it, and acknowledge it and accept that it was a huge mistake, maybe some good would come of it. It would be horrifically tough to deal with.
HM: You don’t drink much, you don’t bet, I’m guessing you’ve hardly had a speeding ticket. Is there anything that you would classify as a vice in your life?
TC: Chocolate.
HM: The perfect citizen. It’s good.
TC: I’m not perfect — I’ve got a lot of flaws — but I just hide them, mate.
HM: What would you say your greatest flaw is, then?
TC: The inability to say no. Dusty and I actually speak about that a lot. I feel guilty every time I do, but sometimes you have to. I need to be better at it.
HM: You’ve got to. Give me your perfect day.
TC: The perfect day would be waking up in the morning with the kids, giving them brekkie, then dropping them off to kinder because I know how much they love that. Then I’d have coffee with Brooke, pick the kids up, whack them in the car, let them have a nap in the car, drive down to our future farm, spend the afternoon down there, put the fire on and have dinner by the fire. That’s me.
HM: When it’s all over, after another 150 games or so, what do you think you’ll be doing with your life?
TC: I want to be involved in something where I’m helping others find themselves, or helping them realise their potential. That, for me, would be very fulfilling.
HM: Well done on captaining a premiership, and I’ll see you at the farm.
TC: I always look forward to that — thanks, Hame.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/hamish-mclachlan-considered-and-wise-trent-cotchin-fighting-footy-stereotypes/news-story/a01289546f5059a0cf4d0b2706fbcf02
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great interview.
sounds like the type of guy you pray your daughter walks through the door with. :pray
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7 News Melbourne @7NewsMelbourne twitter:
@tcotchin9 has broken his silence on the migraine that forced him to spend a night in hospital. @TomBrowne7 #7AFL #7News
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/981816121471909888
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You’ve got daughters, migraines come with the territory.
The sleepless nights get worse as they get older and start dating. :banghead
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Top skipper's game today from the Cotch.
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Top skipper's game today from the Cotch.
BOG
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Top skipper's game today from the Cotch.
BOG
Agree
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Top skipper's game today from the Cotch.
BOG
Agree
Was excellent today. Not BOG but our best player for sure.
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Cotchin had 31 disposals, including an equal game-high 16 contested possessions, a team-high seven clearances, seven inside-50s, six intercepts, six score involvements, an equal team-high six tackles, team-high 53 pressure acts and 550 metres gained.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-04-09/top-tiger-trio-pave-victory-path
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I thought Cotch's game last night was reminiscent of the way he played in the finals last year. Just continually burrowing and throwing himself into contests to allow teammates to win and takeaway the footy. The captain leading from the front with team first mentality footy.
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I thought Cotch's game last night was reminiscent of the way he played in the finals last year. Just continually burrowing and throwing himself into contests to allow teammates to win and takeaway the footy. The captain leading from the front with team first mentality footy.
Ditto today :clapping.
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BOG for me today.
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BOG for me today.
x2.
Excellent game from the skipper. Led from the front especially when the rest of the team were well below standard in the first half.
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His 3rd quarter was sensational :clapping
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Captain's game again leading from the front with 37 possies (22 contested), 7 clearances (3 centre), 3 tackles, 3 inside 50s, 1 goal and 2 assists :bow.
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Captain's game again leading from the front with 37 possies (22 contested), 7 clearances (3 centre), 3 tackles, 3 inside 50s, 1 goal and 2 assists :bow.
Was taking on his and Dusty’s work load. Awesome performance!
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Was absolutely brilliant today!
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3 votes for sure. Was electric today
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Was absolutely brilliant today!
3 votes for sure. Was electric today
Captain's game again leading from the front with 37 possies (22 contested), 7 clearances (3 centre), 3 tackles, 3 inside 50s, 1 goal and 2 assists :bow.
Agree. :thumbsup
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I thought his game today owed a bit to having a rest last week.
A number of our key players looked pretty stuffed in the last qtr, but not Cotch.
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From Robbo's 'likes' column:
2. TRENT COTCHIN
The most selfless, manic and team-first outfit in the AFL is led by Trent Cotchin. Bob Murphy reckons players like Cotchin are symbolic of their team and on Sunday, in a fierce contest, Cotchin was front of the pack for his team. He had 37 disposals, 22 contested and kicked a goal and seemingly was opposed to Ben Cunnington, who was inspirational himself. We talk of Nat Fyfe and Shannon Hurn as prospective All-Australian captains and Cotchin easily sits with those two.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/essendon-john-worsfold-headline-mark-robinsons-dislikes-after-round-8/news-story/eac7c7e14a5b539944d8dbf591f482c3
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We talk of Nat Fyfe and Shannon Hurn as prospective All-Australian captain
You might talk of them as AA captain Robbo, I certainly don't. Fyfe will make AA, but he is too selfish to be captain, and Hurn will not make AA full-stop.
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Respected veteran AFL football commentator Tim Lane has declared Richmond premiership captain and outstanding midfielder Trent Cotchin the competition’s best player.
“I’ve been thinking about this since that Collingwood game recently (Round 6), he is more capable than anyone in the game, I reckon, at withstanding the heat of a really intense contest now. I think he’s the best player in the game,” Lane said.
After 10 rounds of the 2018 season, Cotchin is averaging 25 disposals, 5.3 clearances, 4.6 inside-50s and 4.8 tackles per match.
But Cotchin’s value to the Richmond side goes way beyond his impressive statistical numbers.
He consistently sets the tone for the Tigers with his fearless attack on the ball, fierce determination to succeed, and excellent leadership qualities.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-05-27/cotchin-acclaimed-as-games-best
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His value goes very unnoticed even by RFC supporters.
Just go have a look at the weekly votes on here.
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‘‘I thought Trent [Cotchin’s] last quarter was pretty special, I thought he led from the front, managed to will us over the line which was impressive.’’ - Hardwick
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-in-ump-bump-drama-20180617-p4zm1a.html)
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He certainly did, the tenacity of not only Cotchin but the whole team is brilliant.
How many goals were saved through shear desperation and will to stop them.
This all starts at the top and our Captain is amazing at setting the standard these days.
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His value goes very unnoticed even by RFC supporters.
Just go have a look at the weekly votes on here.
:shh
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I love how he can sense the next player the opposition will give the ball to, he locks on and hits them like a cannon ball.
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Cotch has been taking lessons from Dusty :thumbsup.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/TheTigerArmyAFL/status/1008595805576425473
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Saw Vlastuin do one as well on Sunday.
:thumbsup
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Caddy's done a couple too...even seen McIntosh do one.... :shh
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“I thought [Cotch's] pressure and his ability to be able to hunt the ball in and around the contests was outstanding,” Richmond coach Damien Hardwick declared in his press conference following the Tigers’ victory over the Saints.
“He probably didn’t get the possessions for it, but his teammates did.
“Some of his stuff in close, where he just throws his body on the line . . . you’ve only got to look at his body when he takes his jumper off, he’s got scratches all over him.
“The way he plays the game, he’s inspirational to his teammates, and that’s why we love him.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-07-21/cotchin-sets-tone-for-tigers
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Trent Cotchin’s pressure points were off the charts in last Friday night’s victory over Geelong at the MCG.
Cotchin had a total of 101 pressure points – 40 ahead of the next best in the match, Tigers forward Jason Castagna, and 11 more than any other player right across the competition for the round (Brisbane’s Dayne Zorko second best with 89).
After 20 home-and-away rounds this season, Cotchin is ranked equal No. 1 among the Richmond players (alongside Jack Graham) for tackles, averaging 4.5 per match.
He had an equal game-high nine tackles against the Cats last Friday night to go with his 19 disposals.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-08-06/cotchin-a-pressure-king
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Too bad so many clueless flogs just look at his possessions.... :shh
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Too bad so many clueless flogs just look at his possessions.... :shh
:clapping
I can only recall 1 or 2 games where I thought he was quiet this season, hes had a couple of 17 possession games where I thought he was one of the most influential players on the ground. Channeling some M Voss since last year - absolute gun
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Too bad so many clueless flogs just look at his possessions.... :shh
Does that go for George too?
Some flogs don’t rate him either
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But you do.... :shh
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I thought 9 tackles just means he was second to the ball....
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Or that he didn’t corall his opponent.....
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Cotch post-game:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-09-21/pf-cotchin-postmatch
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Only mid that looked like he wanted it.
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Only mid that looked like he wanted it.
Yep badly let down by the rest ie Preston, Martin and lambert
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Lambert. Well if that’s not the worse game of football he has ever played I don’t know what is
He was putrid. The other 2 can be forgiven
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Lambert was rushed back, shouldn’t have played
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Too bad so many clueless flogs just look at his possessions.... :shh
Does that go for George too?
Some flogs don’t rate him either
Just call me a flog then.
Castagna needs to be traded. End of story.
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Too bad so many clueless flogs just look at his possessions.... :shh
Does that go for George too?
Some flogs don’t rate him either
Just call me a flog then.
Castagna needs to be traded. End of story.
Flog
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Richmond skipper Cotchin managed through pre-season
By SEN
5 Feb 2019
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin says he has been managed through the pre-season to ensure he is in optimal condition for the start of the 2019 season.
Cotchin missed just two games last year after playing every match in the Tigers' premiership winning campaign in 2017.
The 28-year-old decided against participating in the AFLX competition in order to ensure he is raring to go for the club's traditional season-opener against Carlton on March 21st.
“I’m not (available for AFLX), I’ve had a little bit of a managed pre-season, so I opted to continue with my consistent of training at the footy club,” Cotchin told SEN Breakfast.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/02/04/richmond-skipper-cotchin-managed-through-pre-season/
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AFL twitter: "Please explain, Trent?"
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Captain Cotchin and the Tiger time comeback
In late 2015 there was an excellent documentary put together by Peter Dickson and AFL Media which followed and interviewed the AFL captains of that season – ‘The Chosen Few 2’, a sequel to a doco that had done the same for the competition’s coaches the year beforehand.
I remember watching this live and the one conclusion that seemed to stand out to me was that Trent Cotchin really didn’t seem like the right man to be captain of the Richmond football club. I looked to social media and saw I wasn’t the only one thinking that way.
The 2016 season that followed seemed almost to confirm that point of view. Coming off a finals debacle where he totalled just nine disposals for the day, Cotchin’s Tigers sank near the bottom of the table and footy thinkers far and wide were lining up to have a crack at him.
Could we have been more wrong? Jump forward to the present day and Cotchin is one of the most unanimously respected players and captains in the league. Anyone questioning his leadership has long since bitten their tongue.
It may only have been a preseason game but his ability to rise to the occasion in the final five minutes against the Hawks was the mark of a great player and captain – and it was not a momentary flash of brilliance but instead the icing on top of a complete performance.
24 disposals, seven inside 50s, six clearances, five marks, two goals and an assist was exactly the kind of form you want to see such a crucial player displaying this close to the season. And the frightening thing is, we’re still yet to see the Tigers with Tom Lynch on top.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/03/10/seven-afl-talking-points-from-the-jlt-series-week-two/
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..and Sooksy Dooksy barely seen since... :shh
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I remember thinking the same thing. And I have eaten my words since. I thought Jack Riewoldt should have been captain after 2016.
I remember the port match and Alex Rance was getting tagged and at halftime he looked absolutely flustered and frustrated and it was Cotch which managed to calm him down and steer him towards an amazing second half performance.
That imagery made me realise no one else in the current playing group is more deserving of captaincy than he is.
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Lead from the front tonight and fought to turn the tide in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs when Carlton were closing. Disappointing too many didn't go with him in the clinches.
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3 votes and best on ground tonight outstanding.
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Legend of the club.... :clapping
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With the move of Eddy to halfback over the last couple of weeks and the difference it has made to us being less predictable, and the addition of Sydney Stack to our backline, what are people’s thoughts on Cotchin playing some time there too when he gets back? Not permanent by any stretch but some time there.
For me Houli is still the weak link in our backiline, he is ok but to be honest I just think his best days are over and we can do better both defensively and being less predictable. Sure he still racks up kicks but does he really hurt sides on the rebound?
I think the only way to cover the loss of Rance is to change it all up a bit.
With our midfield doing really well the last couple of weeks with some new fresh faces in there, why not keep moving forward with it. Ross especially just seems to have changed our running patterns or set ups, but we are different. Bolton as well has given us more pace and movement.
Add that to Dusty potentially playing a bit more forward like he did on Saturday night, in the DeGoey mould, and I think our side could be harder to stop.
I don’t think you could tag Dusty or Cotch if they weren’t in the middle. And I don’t think opposition coaches would bother tagging Ross, Bolton or even Prestia, so it would basically be a shoot out between sides.
Better clubs seem to have worked us out a bit but maybe it’s not our game style that needs to change all that much, maybe it’s just different personal in different positions.
If our young guys can keep doing what they have been doing in the middle and we don’t lose much without Dusty and Cotchin in there all the time, those two get to add to other places in the ground.
And when Jack comes back we shuffle the runners around and Bellis takes up a roll in the twos.
So a side looking like this
Stack Grimes Vlastuin
Edwards Broad Cotchin
McIntosh Prestia Bolton
Baker Jack George
Rioli Lynch Dusty
Nank Lambert Ross
Balta Caddy Higgins Astbury (to play on the Hawkins types)
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With the move of Eddy to halfback over the last couple of weeks and the difference it has made to us being less predictable, and the addition of Sydney Stack to our backline, what are people’s thoughts on Cotchin playing some time there too when he gets back? Not permanent by any stretch but some time there.
For me Houli is still the weak link in our backiline, he is ok but to be honest I just think his best days are over and we can do better both defensively and being less predictable. Sure he still racks up kicks but does he really hurt sides on the rebound?
I think the only way to cover the loss of Rance is to change it all up a bit.
With our midfield doing really well the last couple of weeks with some new fresh faces in there, why not keep moving forward with it. Ross especially just seems to have changed our running patterns or set ups, but we are different. Bolton as well has given us more pace and movement.
Add that to Dusty potentially playing a bit more forward like he did on Saturday night, in the DeGoey mould, and I think our side could be harder to stop.
I don’t think you could tag Dusty or Cotch if they weren’t in the middle. And I don’t think opposition coaches would bother tagging Ross, Bolton or even Prestia, so it would basically be a shoot out between sides.
Better clubs seem to have worked us out a bit but maybe it’s not our game style that needs to change all that much, maybe it’s just different personal in different positions.
If our young guys can keep doing what they have been doing in the middle and we don’t lose much without Dusty and Cotchin in there all the time, those two get to add to other places in the ground.
And when Jack comes back we shuffle the runners around and Bellis takes up a roll in the twos.
So a side looking like this
Stack Grimes Vlastuin
Edwards Broad Cotchin
McIntosh Prestia Bolton
Baker Jack George
Rioli Lynch Dusty
Nank Lambert Ross
Balta Caddy Higgins Astbury (to play on the Hawkins types)
Said this a few times and makes so much sense to me. Can still go into the middle if required but cotchin would make a great HBF.
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Won't be back next week either according to Hardwick, said that his hammy "hasn't responded as well as we thought"..... :shh
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The skipper's return from a hamstring strain, however, will be pushed to at least round eight against Fremantle.
"Unfortunately, Trent hasn't responded the way we would have liked," Hardwick said.
"He's probably a little bit further away than we would have liked. We probably envisaged he would have played next week (against the Western Bulldogs), but that's not going to be the case now.
"He'll go through a little bit more rehab to get him back where he needs to be. It's a little bit disappointing, he was at full speed pretty much, it just hasn't responded the way we would have liked. We'll pull him back a little bit and see how it goes from there."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-23/good-and-bad-news-for-tigers-on-the-injury-front)
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Grigg on AFL Gameday this morning said Cotch is still 3-4 weeks away.
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so 7/8 weeks for a hammy? What gives
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so 7/8 weeks for a hammy? What gives
He did it again last week
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so 7/8 weeks for a hammy? What gives
He did it again last week
gee i didnt think it was a fresh hammy, more that he needed an extra week rest.
not so bothered now that i would have been a few years back, but would be nice to get him up for the dreamtime to put those cheats away
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Trent Cotchin, hamstring
“Right now we’ve just put Trent back into a bit of a holding pattern. We’ll keep him at about 70-80 percent speed in the program and then we’ll carefully make that progression to 85-90-95 percent full speed over the next couple of weeks. Very hard to put a time-frame on it. It certainly won’t be short term, in the next week or two, but I’d be fairly confident in three to four weeks that we’ll see him back on the park.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-04-29/round-7-injury-update
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Skipper Trent Cotchin is expected to miss games against Western Bulldogs, Fremantle and Hawthorn with the club taking an extra-cautious approach to his hamstring injury.
He is a chance to also miss the Dreamtime at the 'G clash with Essendon in round 10.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-01/flag-tiger-grigg-out-for-the-long-term-after-another-setback)
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Cautious Tigers to keep Cotchin out for another three weeks
Jake Niall
The Age
15 May 2019
Richmond are treating Trent Cotchin super cautiously, with the skipper expected to miss another three weeks with the repeat hamstring injury that has seen him absent since round three.
Cotchin hurt his hamstring in Richmond's round three loss to Greater Western Sydney and his return was set back when he re-injured the same hamstring at training.
He is certain to miss the next two games - this Sunday's clash with Hawthorn and the Dreamtime game against Essendon - and is not expected back for the round 11 match against North Melbourne. While he could resume for round 12 against Geelong, the careful Tigers will not play him until they believe the risks of another strain are greatly reduced.
Richmond's caution with their skipper carries a recognition that a third hamstring recurrence would seriously jeopardise his 2019 season. Players who re-injure a hamstring three times are major risks to play again in that season, as evidenced by Collingwood pair Darcy Moore and Jamie Elliott last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/cautious-tigers-to-keep-cotchin-out-for-another-three-20190515-p51nj7.html
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Funny how Jake is claiming a story he's broken here
He has basically taken what Burge said on the club website yesterday and reported it :thumbsdown
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Skipper Trent Cotchin (hamstring) is on track for a return in round 11 against North Melbourne after initially suffering the injury in round three.
The injury flared up again three weeks ago, pushing back his return date, but contrary to some reports, he hasn't suffered a recent setback.
"Once again, I did say at the time, because it was a re-aggravation, we were always going to take that extra time. We just wanted to be extra cautious and made sure we got him back, so he's on track for the North game," Hardwick said.
"He's running at 90 to 95 per cent, so he's thereabouts."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-17/flying-soldo-injury-creates-opportunity-for-tiger-tall)
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The Tigers' head of football Neil Balme initially said Cotchin was a "chance" of not playing, but later clarified that while hadn't reinjured his hamstring he will not play regardless.
He wouldn't be drawn on whether it was the previously injured hamstring that was sore, or his other leg.
"Funny you ask me that, I don't think he's going to play, he's a touch sore. It puts a bit more pressure on, but that's all right," Balme told reporters at Melbourne Airport.
"He's just a bit sore in the hamstring, but it's not the same. I reckon if he hadn't have had the problem before, he would have played.
"The fact we're playing on the Thursday makes it more difficult. If we'd played on Saturday or Sunday [he was a chance], but we won't take the risk.
"If he hurts it again and misses a heap of footy, I reckon that's much harder to deal with than just missing the one."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-12/richmonds-injurycursed-year-continues-star-tiger-to-miss-again
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The Tigers' head of football Neil Balme initially said Cotchin was a "chance" of not playing, but later clarified that while hadn't reinjured his hamstring he will not play regardless.
He wouldn't be drawn on whether it was the previously injured hamstring that was sore, or his other leg.
"Funny you ask me that, I don't think he's going to play, he's a touch sore. It puts a bit more pressure on, but that's all right," Balme told reporters at Melbourne Airport.
"He's just a bit sore in the hamstring, but it's not the same. I reckon if he hadn't have had the problem before, he would have played.
"The fact we're playing on the Thursday makes it more difficult. If we'd played on Saturday or Sunday [he was a chance], but we won't take the risk.
"If he hurts it again and misses a heap of footy, I reckon that's much harder to deal with than just missing the one."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-12/richmonds-injurycursed-year-continues-star-tiger-to-miss-again
We can assume after Balmes presser, we won't see the Capt till next year.
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Will probably retire now.... :shh
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Mystery surrounds the severity of Trent Cotchin's latest hamstring setback. @TomBrowne7 #7AFL #7NEWS
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1138729786493161473
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Cooked.....
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Cotch on SEN with Whateley:
AUDIO: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=388305
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“I feel really healthy and I’ve done a lot of strength work. In theory, it should be stronger than it’s ever been,” Cotchin said.
“I suppose when you scan anything, particularly when you’ve already had an on-going issue, there typically seems to be a little bit of stress around areas . . . I was aware of it (the hamstring) more than I had been for the couple of weeks prior and decided it was a smart move, given the history, to make sure it was okay,” he said.
“It’s something that I haven’t really faced in my career to date,” he said.
“I suppose the beneficial thing of having a bigger group (in rehab) is that you’re all sort of suffering the same sort of challenges . . .
“We had a (rehab) session the day before the boys played in Adelaide (Round 13), and to warm up and feel like you’re in a training group, because of the amount of numbers, was a very weird feeling.
“But we’ve created an environment where we all talk about it a lot. And, we get really excited about what other guys, that may not have got an opportunity, have been able to do.
“That’s been the pleasing thing from my point of view.”
“Like anything, whether it’s sport or business, you just want continuity. That’ll obviously give me a lot of trust and confidence in my body, and give me an opportunity to really perform my role for our group,” he said.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-06-29/cotchin-raring-to-go
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The star midfielder finished the match with 27 disposals, six clearances, five inside-50s, four marks, two goals, 10 score involvements and 422 metres gained.
“He was terrific . . . We always knew it was going to take a little bit of time, but he’s starting to get some consistency,” Hardwick said.
“What we do like is the ability for him to play a little bit forward as well, which we saw today.
“He’s very creative, very strong with the ball, and certainly makes those players around him better.
“It was certainly a step forward for him.
Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-08/hardwick-commends-cotchin
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He was hunting again. Back to mongrel Cotch. :clapping
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He was hunting again. Back to mongrel Cotch. :clapping
Along with his decision making and execution which was sharp and crisp.
It was awesome to watch.
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Cotch post-game said it's hammy "awareness" and didn't seem too fussed about it.
That's different to what Balmey said at half-time who called it a minor hammy and not just awareness :-\.
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Probably a tweak. Wasn't even iced. Probably miss a game or two you'd think
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Tom Browne post-game reckons Cotch won't be seen for the rest of the H/A season. He said he spoke to the doctor and that the time out doubles with each injury to same hammy.
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That sucks. Was on fire in Q1 too. Hope it’s short term.
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😬
Not good...
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UPDATE: Tigers unsure if injured skipper will be back before finals
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Jul 26, 2019 11:30PM
RICHMOND is unsure if skipper Trent Cotchin will be back before the finals after suffering another hamstring injury on Friday night.
The Tigers skipper left the field midway through the first term of the soggy MCG contest against Collingwood and spent the last 10 minutes of the quarter on the interchange bench.
After the quarter-time huddle, Cotchin embraced coach Damien Hardwick with a hug before returning to the bench and removing his playing jumper and replacing it with a Tigers jacket.
The premiership captain has been restricted to 10 games this season due to two hamstring issues, and the club acknowledged it is a worry with the finals series looming.
Hardwick said the Tigers are hoping he has avoided any serious damage, in what was the only sour point of their strong win over the Magpies.
"It's disappointing, he's got a little bit of a tweak. We're not too sure of the extent of it, but it's his support leg when he was kicking. We're hoping it will be on the minor side but once again he's had the two incidents this year," Hardwick said post-game.
"It's disappointing to lose players, and Collingwood lost a couple too, so losing players this time of the year is always tough."
Richmond's win puts it into the top-four on the ladder with four games to go, and then the bye after round 23, before the first week of the finals.
Hardwick said it was too early to tell if Cotchin will feature again before September.
"I'm not too sure. We don't know the significance of the injury," he said.
Hardwick's comments followed those by Richmond football boss Neil Balme, who ruled out Cotchin for next week's clash with Melbourne.
"(It's) not too bad," Balme said during the game.
"I think he'll miss a bit."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-26/intrigue-over-tiger-stars-early-exit-from-blockbuster
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As if anymore proof was needed that Collingwood is a grub club:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/barometer-your-clubs-injury-list-after-round-19/news-story/b91a21d334d1d189878097480613f340
:thumbsdown
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^^cant read due to paywall.
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AFL News
Barometer: Your club’s injury list, Collingwood deletes Trent Cotchin tweet
Glenn McFarlane, Herald Sun
July 27, 2019 11:15am
Subscriber only
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin faces another frustrating stint on the sidelines after suffering a third hamstring issue this year against Collingwood at the MCG.
And the Magpies have copped it from angry fans after tweeting about Cotchin’s injury.
Most of the pre-game talk had been on whether Cotchin would be able to play, given his wife Brooke is due to give birth to the couple’s third child.
When he went off 19 minutes into the opening term and went down the players’ race with the club doctor, it was assumed he had received a call from home.
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But that wasn’t the case, and when he re-emerged just after quarter-time he had the jacket around him with confirmation that he had hamstring issues yet again.
After Richmond kicked the first goal of the second quarter, Collingwood’s official Twitter tweeted: “Lambert goals for the Tigers. The upside ... Cotchin is out of the game with a hammy problem.”
The tweet came under fire and was later deleted.
A hamstring injury cut short Trent Cotchin’s match against the Magpies. Picture: AAP
A hamstring injury cut short Trent Cotchin’s match against the Magpies. Picture: AAP
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said scans this week would reveal the severity of Cotchin’s injury, but the fact he helped chair 200-gamer Bachar Houli off the field after the match raised hopes it wasn’t serious.
“It’s disappointing,” Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said. “He got a little bit of a tweak ... we are hoping that it is at the minor end.
“Once again he has had two (other issues). It is such a disappointing part of the game when you lose players ... losing players at this time of the year is always tough
“We don’t know the significant of the injury yet.”
Hi @CollingwoodFC
This tweet was rubbish.
The downside...we had to read this tweet. A Brownlow Medalist, and Premiership Captain, and you celebrate his injury?!
The upside...you deleted this tweet and Trent Cotchin is forever a Brownlow Medalist and Premiership Captain 👏🏼 pic.twitter.com/zJUgg2oEef
— Lauren Clearihan (@LozzzaC) July 26, 2019
Triple M medical expert Dr Rohan White said the club hoped it was on the minor end of the scale.
“He’ll get a scan ... you would think that with his history that he would miss a couple of weeks at least,” White said.
Cotchin missed two months of football with a serious hamstring issue earlier in the year then returned for two months before having some more soreness in the same area.
He returned against St Kilda in Round 15 and Friday night’s match was his fifth game back, but he is likely to be back on the sidelines for a period.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/barometer-your-clubs-injury-list-after-round-19/news-story/b91a21d334d1d189878097480613f340
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/received_477082679530593-jpeg.716216/)
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Sums the Collingwood FC up perfectly
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Scumwood, Hoping other players getting injured to get a win bahaha. Jerkoffs.
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Meh, typical social media over reaction
He did get injured and it was an advantage to the Pies to have him out of the game
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Was posted on the RTSSG on Facebook that he had a boy. :thumbsup
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Was posted on the RTSSG on Facebook that he had a boy. :thumbsup
I hope it's Brooke who had the baby, not Cotch. Would have been murder on his hammy. :rollin
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Son of Cotch!
SOC
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Thank goodness he had a boy. Let's hope he's a jet!
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what’s the boy’s name?
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Martin Foxx Cotchin
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I think it’s Parker Foxx Cotchin
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so which one? lol!
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so which one? lol!
Parker Foxx
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Jack Cotchin.
We need more Jack's
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Story with Pics up on the club website about our future Father / Son
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-31/trent-and-brooke-cotchin-welcome-baby-boy
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin will be sidelined for another fortnight.
Cotchin is nursing a hamstring injury in his troublesome left leg, but Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said the latest injury was in a different location to the previous two strains that have forced him to miss eight matches this season.
“If he hadn’t had his previous history, he probably [would have] missed this week and played next,” Hardwick said.
“Look, it’s disappointing – his first 15 minutes in the game was incredible. Once again, these things can change depending on how his recovery is going … but as I said … it’s a one-week injury.”
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/cotchin-out-for-another-fortnight-nankervis-shaping-for-afl-return-next-week-20190801-p52cuw.html
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ... Rance has taken away the Tigers' stresses attached to a potential return in 2019 ...
THEN ... fret still remains over the timing of Cotchin's comeback game. Round 23 looms as too soon, given that would be just a three-game break from his latest hamstring problem, which by the end of this weekend will already have caused him to miss half the season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-09/sliding-doors-round-21
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Cotchin will miss his second straight match with his third hamstring setback of the season, and is set for a big session on Sunday morning to prove his fitness to face West Coast in round 22.
"I think he's highly likely to play next week," coach Damien Hardwick said before training on Friday.
"If he hadn't had the previous history, he'd be playing this week, but we'll always be more conservative with those type of guys."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-09/tigers-go-big-for-blues-set-skipper-for-eagles)
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Ch 7 just said they have some news from Balmey about Cotch later on in the bulletin.
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Balmey saying something without saying much again lol. If Cotch trains this week and the hammy feels fine then he plays. It's not out of the question he may have to wait another week.
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“There’s an element of roll the dice (with playing Cotchin),” Balme told 7NEWS.
“It’s a hammy he’s had before.
“If he trains well during the week and feels good about it, we’ll play him.
“If not, we can still wait another week if we need to.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-star-trent-cotchin-dustin-martin-duo-to-certainty-to-face-west-coast-at-mcg-ng-b881290829z
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Maybe they don't want to show them all our cards at this stage before the finals.... :shh
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Won’t play this week
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“After discussions with our medical staff, we felt that giving Trent an extra week to train and prepare for his return to playing is the best approach,” Richmond General Manager – Football, Neil Balme said.
The Club expects Cotchin to be available to take on the Brisbane Lions in Round 23.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-14/trent-cotchin-update
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"Unfortunately, Trent's come up a little bit short once again. Our medical team want to get a couple of extra high intensity training sessions in before we put him in the rigours of AFL.
"If push comes shove, we could have played him, but once again we'd rather have him back for the long-term rather than the short."
- Damien Hardwick
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-16/tigers-wont-hide-tactics-in-mustwin-clash-hardwick)
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Balmey just said Cotch could have played today but given his hammy is a weak area we will give Cotch another week of training. He will "virtually definitely play next week".
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Getting sick of hearing this.
Was right to go last week too
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Hardwick said they wanted him to go through an extra high intensity session and that's why they held him back.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/cotchins-celebrating-baby-number-three-parker-foxx/news-story/6ca3558e95ebd6f9c68313509c562436
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/521cf47a36aa424700d61fae9bf415c7?width=316)
Brooke Cotchin, wife of Tigers captain Trent Cotchin, with new baby boy Parker. Picture: David Caird
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Needs to play this week otherwise will be badly underdone for the finals.
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Needs to play this week otherwise will be badly underdone for the finals.
Agreed, parker must be over a month old.. needs miles in the legs before finals
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I think he is undergoing high intensity training too.
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He needs to be more focussed if you ask me.
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Needs to be allowed to grow into his role....
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Burge's update on Cotch:
Trent Cotchin, hamstring
"Trent’s going great. A week and a half ago, Trent resumed training with the group and did a full week of training last week. We initially thought he would potentially play in the West Coast game...but we decided we would give him another week…and that’s purely based on his previous injuries during the year…We expect him to play on Sunday."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-20/round-23-injury-update
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Captain Trent Cotchin is confident his hamstrings can withstand a brutal finals campaign.
Cotchin returned from his third hamstring strain this season against the Lions in round 23, just his 11th match of the year in which he spent more time forward than in the midfield.
But the Tigers skipper said the strength and conditioning program set by the club's medical team had him well prepared for September.
"I think the great thing about footy clubs is they have great knowledge of what's required from every different injury," he said.
"You have to hit high speed, run a certain amount just to make sure you're still firing up the hamstrings in the same way as you would a game.
"But other than that, it's more the exercise you're doing on field so strength-based exercises.
"I'm feeling really confident. I'm still a spring chicken so I've got a lot of life left in my legs.
"Getting up in the sunshine will help."
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-set-to-double-up-on-rucks-for-lions-20190902-p52n63.html)
Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin has played one match in the five weeks leading into the qualifying final after battling hamstring issues but he said he welcomed feeling fresher than usual heading into September football.
“Going into Round 23, aside from carrying a little bit of baggage just from being injured throughout the year, I was really pleased with how the body was feeling from a bash and crash point of view,” he said.
“Typically, I fall over the line towards the back end of the year and hang out for that bye just before finals. It’s been a little bit differently for me personally, but I’m just really excited to sink my teeth into this weekend’s game.”
Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-ruck-toby-nankervis-firms-for-finals-recall-against-brisbane/news-story/45ab94b0cc10d3cd03350bf781c5b668)
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Captain Trent Cotchin motivates Tigers by reminding teammates of those out of the finals race.
The inspiration behind Richmond’s Gabba fightback
Lauren Wood, Herald Sun
4 minutes
Richmond is using the dozen teams no longer in contention as inspiration for its push to a third-straight home preliminary final.
Star onballer Dion Prestia has revealed the psychology behind the Tigers’ blistering nine-goal pile-on in Saturday night’s qualifying final victory at the Gabba, which helped deliver the premiership favourites a week off and an MCG clash against either West Coast or Geelong.
But he said a reminder from the skipper had helped to reinvigorate the group after it trailed at quarter-time and that those now watching on would continue to push the Tigers’ hopes.
“(When we were behind), Trent kept getting us in and saying ‘just have a smile’,” Prestia said.
“(He was saying) we knew it was going to be like this, and there’s only two goals the difference’.
“They probably did dominate the first quarter, but it was good just to get back together and refresh after that first quarter and the way we were playing after that was pretty good.
“You just talk about how many other players at other teams want to be in our position. You just kind of enjoy it.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/captain-trent-cotchin-motivates-tigers-by-reminding-teammates-of-those-out-of-the-finals-race/news-story/83ebce5296efbfc8b883de1d36038032
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Cotchin is the missing piece of the puzzle.
With his inclusion - Dusty can just be an offensive weapon.
How did it come to be this good.😂😂
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Once again Cotch selflessly leads from the front. You could argue the turnaround after half-time began with Cotch's tackle on Stanley straight after the first bounce which lead to the first goal in the 3rd qtr. Then he shut Dangerfield out of the game.
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Inspirational! Sacrificed his game for the good of the team and just leads by example.
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Was determined not to lose and played like it. :shh
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He needed to stand up and he did. :clapping
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Robbo: Cotchin moment ignited comeback
Mark Robinson
Herald Sun
21 September 2019
Someone from Richmond had to make a statement.
There’s something spiritual and more pronounced when it comes from the skipper.
For sure, Tom Lynch will make the headlines for his five goals and clutch marking, and Bachar Houli for enhancing his finals reputation, and Dion Prestia for another wonderful performance in the midfield, and whoever else you want to mention.
But great wins are born from great moments. Trent Cotchin’s effort at the start of the third quarter might not be remembered by some, but will be highlighted by others as when the statement was made.
Make no mistake, the first 60 minutes of Friday night’s match had choke all over it.
The Tigers were awful and Geelong was dominant.
At halftime the Cats led by 21 points — it should’ve been 35.
This wasn’t supposed to be the script, but when is a preliminary final so straightforward and uncomplicated?
At halftime, this wasn’t just a choke — it was a consecutive preliminary-final choke after last year’s drubbing to Collingwood.
This year, though, the Tigers made amends.
And it started 50 seconds into the third quarter.
Try to picture it, and feel it, and the response from it.
Cotchin nailed Rhys Stanley with a tackle at half-back, which led to Lynch kicking his third goal, which led to Richmond’s fabulous third quarter, which led to Richmond’s fabulous win.
The Tigers kicked five consecutive goals in the third quarter.
And when Lynch kicked his fourth to give Richmond its first lead of the game, the Tiger Army was believing Lynch was Royce Hart.
Yet, Cotchin’s moment cannot be underestimated.
It might be just a tackle — one of 111 laid on Friday night — but it was much more than that.
Consider that Geelong was dominant in every aspect of the game.
At quarter-time, the Cats’ tackling efficiency was 77 per cent and Richmond’s was 42 per cent.
Geelong stuck its opponents, Richmond didn’t. The overall tackling numbers were 20-12. The inside 50s were 17-10.
Let’s try not to drown ourselves in stats here, but significant was the forward-half pressure points. Geelong had 97 and Richmond 58.
All the criticism directed at Geelong and coach Chris Scott for its game style and crazy placements was silenced.
The Cats started well. Tick.
They won contested ball. Tick.
Pressure was finals-like. Tick.
Then at the start of the second quarter, there was a missed tackle on Kelly by Josh Caddy and Kelly kicked the goal.
The choke was squeezing and Richmond played a style, or was forced to play a style, that was un-Richmond-like.
Spot fires were everywhere.
An injured Jack Graham ran off through Geelong’s interchange bench.
Dustin Martin had a leg injury and was kicking mongrel drop punts.
Shai Bolton missed a snap; Jack Riewoldt was tackled by Joel Selwood as he kicked for goal and lost the ball.
There were fumbles and static football and the pressure was telling.
Geelong was Richmond. It would win the ball at half-back, switch, run, bounce and get a shot at goal.
At one point, Martin gave up the chase and ran to the bench.
At another point, he tried it to pick a fight with Patrick Dangerfield.
Delivery into the forward line was terrible. Jason Castagna was chased down and tackled when shooting for goal.
Martin had another shot for goal smothered by Sam Menegola. Bachar Houli ran over the ball. Dylan Grimes kicked panic torps. And Prestia was run down by Selwood to stop yet another shot at goal.
And when Nick Vlastuin gave away a 50m penalty to Dangerfield just before halftime, and Dangerfield kicked it, it felt like the wheels had fallen off the Tigers on the night, and for the
season.
But football isn’t about a half.
It’s about belief and leadership and moments and effort that underpins all of it.
So, when Cotchin nailed that tackle on Stanley, after so many before had been broken, the Tigers knew they were up for the fight.
From there, the goals came and Lynch starred, and Houli ran, and Prestia was a champ, and whoever else you want to mention.
But it might not ever have happened if the skipper didn’t make that tackle.
It was a moment among many for the Tigers.
https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/mark-robinson-trent-cotchin-tackle-ignited-richmonds-comeback-win-over-geelong/news-story/e121fd5698d559a5a3531968c7ba2358
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Trent Cotchin – 7
Another solid performance from the inspirational Tigers skipper. Only the 14 disposals, but eight contested possessions, six tackles and four clearances. Unlucky to concede a 50m penalty that led to Patrick Dangerfield's goal just before half-time.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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Trent Cotchin – 5
A workmanlike performance from the skipper, but not much more. A final-quarter goal was his highlight to go along with 15 touches, two clearances and two tackles.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-28/player-ratings-richmond
TRENT COTCHIN 6
Remember Jarryd Roughead’s bone-crunching tackle on Dan Hannebery that set the tone in 2014? Well, Cotch’s whack on Shane Mumford early yesterday was from the same playbook.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-player-ratings-dustin-martin-and-bachar-houli-shine-toby-green-phil-davis-flop/news-story/3b13f40fe020027c0e71ae275f356ff2
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:clapping
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Loved it! Was hoping he would win the norm smith.
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Is a great leader and a top line A grade footballer. We are lucky to have him.
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Paging Dooks, paging Dooks.... :shh
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His tackle on Mumford was brutal haha. Really set the tone. Happy for him and his special moment, but I suspect he will only play another year or two. Age and body seem to be catching up with him.
Actually wouldn't surprise me if he gives up the captaincy for 2020. My money on Grimes or Vlastuin for a while, then Graham.
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"What a leader he is": AFL greats heap praise on Richmond premiership captain
By SEN
30 Sep 2019
Garry Lyon, Tim Watson and Nick Riewoldt have heaped praise on Richmond captain Trent Cotchin for the role he has played in establishing the culture for the club.
Cotchin became Richmond’s third dual premiership captain on the weekend, with his first-quarter tackle on Shane Mumford setting the tone for the Tigers early on.
“He’s a star, what a leader he is,” Lyon said on SEN Breakfast.
“If you get buy in from a skipper, we talk about their culture and all that type of thing,” Watson added.
“If that bloke is directing it… if he’s living it, if he’s breathing it then that actually is part of the building of whatever it is you’re trying to build and I think he has been as magnificent as anybody in terms of what they’ve been able to construct in Richmond.”
Riewoldt gave credit to Cotchin for changing his game style to become a more effective player and leader after being criticised early in his captaincy.
“He was one of the more maligned leaders in the competition, only four or five years ago,” Riewoldt said.
“He got a lot of possessions, he went sideways. He didn’t play with the edge that we see him play with now.
“He had one game over 30 possessions this year and I think that was round one. He hasn’t had over 20 since round 18 but his impact on the game has been enormous.”
Cotchin had an injury interrupted season but was able to overcome those struggles to play an instrumental role in the Tigers' successful finals campaign.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/29/what-a-leader-he-is-afl-greats-heap-praise-on-richmond-premiership-captain/
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The ones who put me back together
Trent Cotchin
athletesvoice.com.au
September 27, 2019
One of the biggest lessons I’ve learned over my leadership journey is about the perfection myth.
At the start I thought that as a captain you needed to show the perfect example. Now I believe you need to be true to yourself and true to others.
That allows you to have great relationships, and therefore opens it up for teammates to have the deeper conversations with you.
You need to give permission to guys to be honest about anything and everything in their lives.
Society has done so well recently in giving people permission to speak openly about mental health, but with gambling there’s room for improvement, including within sports clubs.
Whereas mental health has had the stigma stripped away, I sense with gambling issues there may still be that embarrassment around the ownership of it.
I guess if you find yourself on that path of gambling addiction, and end up in a pretty bad place, there is still a lot of shame attached with either the loss of money, or damage to relationships that are really important to you, because of those actions.
The AFL does a good job with education around gambling issues, and players are restricted from doing any wagering on the game, which makes a lot of sense.
At Richmond we make sure that anyone who feels that gambling – or any other issue – is getting out of control for them, knows they have permission to talk about it and the right advice and help can be given and the person can be supported.
I think that’s an evolution in our culture. Guys feel it’s okay to ask for help. Anxiety and shame, as soon as you start to own them and talk about them, have way less power over you, and then people can help.
The scary thing with gambling addiction is that it escalates quickly and can get away from you before you realise the impact it’s having on your life and others in your life.
There are a number of factors that can send you down that path. For a start, high incomes, without a secure financial plan, give players disposable cash that’s just sitting there.
These days there are more avenues to either reach or communicate with players with regards to social media and a lot more access to gambling, whether it’s with apps or online pokies, and the like.
Anxiety around performance and looking for a way to switch off is another. It’s really hard as an AFL player to escape football, and maybe sitting on the couch and having a punt gives an opportunity for guys to get their minds out of the sport for a while.
For some, maybe it’s a substitute for the feelings they get from playing a game. The arousal and so forth, from backing a horse or putting a bet on an NFL game, may give them that same feeling they crave every weekend.
I think the message for people battling gambling addiction is the same as it is for other issues they might face – you are not alone. There are a lot of people who are challenged with the same scenarios.
There’ll always be someone that’s been through the same situation you’re going through, no matter how hard it is.
As a leader I think you should have a pretty good understanding of what’s happening in your group and the courage to have conversations on a regular basis. I have a lot of trust in my teammates and I think that’s a real strength of ours.
Proud of the Way She Stood Up for Me
When I was younger, I loved to go to the Spring Carnival and put a few dollars on the horses with the boys. It was the done thing, and a bit of a thrill. It was always pretty good weather, a nice day out with your mates. But I learned quickly that you lose a lot more than you win!
Most guys in the AFL are between 20 and 30, and they earn a good amount of money compared to their peers in other walks of life.
Young males are open to risky behaviour, whether that be gambling or other facets of life. And that’s all of them, not just footy players. But we’re in a great position to help educate our people to make better decisions.
And if you’re aware that someone is gambling, it’s important to check in to make sure it’s not more than a little hobby, or a bit of fun for them in their downtime, rather than something that they rely on, week to week, to get them up and going or pass the time away.
I may not have had issues with gambling, but I’ve certainly had times in the game when things were tough, and I needed help.
In 2016, we had had our second child, and I don’t fully remember the first few months of her life, which saddens me to think about it now.
We were struggling on the field, Richmond legend Neville Crowe died and, as I’ve said before, I felt I was trapped under a black cloud at the end of that season. I got to the end of 2016 and that was probably rock bottom for me.
I spoke to my wife Brooke’s dad, then Damien Hardwick at Neville’s funeral and from those conversations, where we shared pretty raw emotions, I sought help from Ben Crowe, who has become a very, very good friend.
I share a lot with him and have learned a lot from him. One thing he said to me at the time was that your greatest lessons come from your darkest times, and it certainly had been the case.
I try my hardest nowadays just to be present in every moment – whether that be at the footy club, at home, or just in life – and appreciate every moment. We’re all challenged in different ways, and it’s just about learning from the ones that are hard and then enjoying the ones that are really good.
I’m very lucky that I’ve got an amazing wife who has supported me through thick and thin.
Even to the point where she ended up on the front page of the paper defending me. It isn’t where she wanted to be, but obviously showed the strength of her support and what she was willing to do for me.
Initially, it made me angry. She was heavily pregnant, and a reporter contacted her without any permission. I was pretty disappointed and irritated with the world, but also really proud that she’d gone in to bat for me so strongly.
I think that, typically, a man’s only as strong as his better half, and she’s taught me a lot through our journey together.
First Time I Saw Dad Cry
I’ll be forever grateful for the values that my mum Kath and dad Peter taught me.
I always saw Dad working really hard, but he’d also make himself as available for myself and my sisters as often as possible. He always tried to coach or be as involved in our sport as much as he possibly could and travelled to every training camp or interstate competition that I had.
They tried to provide the absolute best life for us, whether that be our caravan up in Echuca or Moama, which is now where they live, to the home environment.
Dad’s cut his fingers off a couple of times, working on the farm. The first time it happened I was about 10 and I have clear memories of the disappointment he had in himself because he felt like he’d let the family down.
He was a cabinet maker, so most of his work relied on his hands. To be out of action from that weighed on him.
I feel the greatest fear for men is not looking, or being, strong enough, in the eyes of those they love. I think it was the first time I’d seen my dad cry.
Grateful for the Lessons I’ve Learned
Leadership is a unique beast. There are many forms of it, and that’s what we encourage at the footy club.
You can be the youngest player on the list and just own something. It could be the energy in the change room, it could be picking up the rubbish after someone’s had taping done. It’s about finding your niche, finding your moment, and performing to your strengths.
I don’t think the ultimate leader exists in our world today – just a lot of very good ones who show strengths in different areas. And it takes the mentorship and help of others to build leaders.
My strength is having empathy for people. If you can hear and understand a person’s story or their challenges, and you are motivated to help them, you are a leader.
I’ve been very lucky because I’ve come across some wonderful people.
Whether that’s the team manager from my school team that I’m still great friends with now, to Damien Hardwick who is like a father figure to all of our players. They’re all tremendous people, and I’m very grateful for the lessons I’ve learned from everyone that I’ve crossed paths with.
When I had my issues in 2016 that was probably Dimma’s lowest point as a senior coach, and maybe even in his entire football career, so it was nice to share that journey of growth together.
People called for his head as a senior coach. He’s been open to learning about himself and, therefore, teaching others as well, which has been incredible to watch and experience.
https://www.athletesvoice.com.au/trent-cotchin-ones-who-put-me-back-together/#hWKd5oK31sSI9vbU.99
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The role Crowe played in Cotchin, Richmond turnaround
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
14 November 2019
Ben Crowe has explained the role he played in mentoring and guiding Richmond captain Trent Cotchin.
It was only a few years ago when there were calls for Cotchin to be replaced as Tigers skipper, around the same time there was a desire to overthrow Damien Hardwick as coach.
During this tumultuous time at Punt Road, NIKE’s former sports marketing director Crowe took the opportunity to work alongside Richmond president Peggy O’Neal.
As a leadership mentor, life coach and adviser, Crowe implemented the power of purpose, provided education on how to embrace vulnerability and focused on high performance principles, among other specific mindsets.
Cotchin has become one of the most selfless players in the Richmond side and his leadership has risen to elite levels over the past few years, coinciding with the club’s recent success, and Crowe has explained how the turnaround was inspired.
“I was working with Peggy O’Neal at the time and agreed to mentor Damien and Trent,” he said on SEN Breakfast.
“All the credit goes to those guys and Peggy for the transformation of Richmond, especially around purpose mindset.
“Authenticity, vulnerability, connection and storytelling and these principles are something that they’ve really embraced and celebrated.”
Regarding what was taught and learnt, Crowe continued: “We are so hard on ourselves as a human race.
“We’ve got this unconscious, negative bias. We get caught up with perfection myth or feeling like we’re not good enough or don’t deserve to be captain or loved enough, successful enough.
“You can give yourself permission to be imperfect but also unconditionally worthy. If you can hold those two thoughts together, you can take off that mask, take off that armour and give yourself permission to be worthy of love, connection, belonging, taking your team on a journey.
“The Trent story was beautiful, from unofficially voted the worst captain in the AFL to officially, by his peers, voted the best captain in the AFL.
“All credit to Trent. He’s literally found his authenticity and from that point of view he can show up in the world.”
Cotchin’s turnabout of mindset and change in game style were the catalyst for Richmond turning the corner in 2017 when they broke a 37-year premiership drought.
He is now a two-time premiership captain one of the most respected leaders in the AFL.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/11/13/the-role-crowe-played-in-cotchin-richmond-turnaround/
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Who should pick a team’s on-field leader?
Michelangelo Rucci,
Rucci on Saturday,
The Advertiser
14 December 2019
AFL football certainly has moved away from steadfastly handing the captaincy to the team’s best player.
The lessons of American college basketball coach Don Meyer as a philosopher hold court today. Meyer, until his death in 2014, had built the best record (a 3-1 count) in his sport in more than 1000 games.
Richmond’s Trent Cotchin and coach Damien Hardwick with the 2019 AFL trophy. Picture: Michael Klein
Some of Meyer’s themes seem to have found their way to Australian sport already, particularly at the successful Richmond Football Club. The leadership actions of premiership captain Trent Cotchin in cleaning up the Tigers change rooms during the 2017 AFL finals series fit the third team rule in Meyer’s book: “Pick up the trash”.
Meyer noted of leadership: “You can pick captains, but you can’t pick leaders.
“Whoever controls the locker room controls the team.”
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/michelangelo-rucci/power-bows-to-members-pressure-for-single-captain-but-is-it-the-right-call-for-the-team/news-story/3195a84d627337e32c5715e256c78ab7
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COTCHIN LOOKS FIT
Marsh Series - Giants v Tigers - The Mongrel Punt
HB Meyers
March 8, 2020
I know Tiger fans will argue to the contrary, but in terms of Trent Cotchin’s overall output, 2019 saw a decline. He would still do little things in moments to let you know he was still around, and those little things may have added up to some pretty big things (they don’t come much bigger than holding a premiership cup aloft) but in terms of consistent impact, Cotch was a little down last year.
Whilst he had just 18 disposals in this game (he averaged 19.8 last season – the first time under 20 since 2010) but it was the nature of his possession that impressed me. Over a quarter of his touches came under pressure in the centre, with five of his seven clearances coming at the centre bounce. He also added two direct goal assists to his name as he worked to the betterment of his teammates.
I like Trent Cotchin. I don’t know the bloke and I probably never will, but he strikes me as a genuine bloke. The vision of him cleaning the club rooms a couple of years back stuck with me (and my missus loved it). This is a captain who would bleed for this team and for those he leads; how could you not follow him?
https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2020/2020/03/08/marsh-series-giants-v-tigers/
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Where does Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin sit among AFL greats?
The Hard Ball Gets AFL Show
PerthNow
April 2, 2020
They are some of the better-known players in the game, but where is their place in history once they call time on their careers?
Nick Rynne, Xavier Ellis and Ryan Daniels make their pick, good or great. First cab off the rank is Richmond captain Trent Cotchin... and it's a doozy.
Listen here: https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/richmond-tigers/the-hard-ball-gets-afl-show-where-does-richmond-skipper-trent-cotchin-sit-among-afl-greats-ng-b881507345z
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What a load of poo that was!
I reckon those 3 have forgotten how good Cotch was in his prime.
Some of the comparisons were laughable.
Pretty obvious too that they don’t watch much footy.
It actually made me angry listening to it.
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I don't bother listening to anyone's opinion on Cotchin. Anyone with a football brain knows how brilliant the man was, and how good of a leader he still is. The bloke has turned games around for us in games where his total amount of disposals is less than 20.
I'll take 20 Chimp disposals over these clowns who rack up 30 of the most worthless possessions imaginable. Fearless leader.
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Our best & most important player just behind Dusty in finals:
Along with Vlastuin & Maric the only players who stood up in the 2nd half v Carlton 2013
Set the tone v Geelong 17
Ditto v GWS 17
Set the tone at the start of the second half in the GF 17
Turned the QF v Brisbane along with Edwards
Set the tone at the start of the second half v Geelong
That's greatness right there... :shh :shh
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Our dual premiership captain's 30th birthday today :birthday :clapping.
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Not footy but it's about Cotch.
QMS Media's teddy bear army
AdNews
15 May 2020
A digital teddy bear army has taken to Australia's billboards with messages of thanks for essential workers.
The Teddy Bear Army Project, set in motion by QMS Media, invites children to draw a picture of a teddy bear with a message of thanks to their choice of essential service worker, and have their artwork displayed on digital billboards.
The campiagn, now in its sixth week, has given more than 150 Australian children a chance to use their artistic skills at home and express gratitude to those doing so much to help during this crisis.
Each week, new submissions are broadcast across 30 premium digital billboards, hitting more than 15 million contacts or on average 2.6 million contacts each week as Australians travel closer to home.
Trent Cotchin, captain of AFL’s Richmond Tigers: “My wife and I fell in love with the idea the moment we saw some of the artworks up on a billboard near us. It gave our girls an opportunity to be creative whilst in isolation but more importantly, it was an opportunity for them to say thank you to who they see as important in our fight against COVID-19. As a parent this was a special moment. You love seeing your kids doing what they love."
http://www.adnews.com.au/news/qms-media-s-teddy-bear-army
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Cotch was interview on MMM's Hot Breakfast this morning with Eddie and Luke Darcy:
AUDIO: https://omny.fm/shows/hot-breakfast/richmond-skipper-trent-cotchin-joins-the-hot-break
* Everyone came back in good shape.
* No need for forced zoom meetings as we all kept in contact during the lockdown.
* Being with the family involves moments. When that family involves different moments with 5 people every day in lockdown it can add up to quite a few moments :laugh:. Cotch is glad to get back to a normal routine.
* Teaming up with Wolf Blass and Bucks is about promoting what wine goes with each meal.
* Some of the pre-2017 criticism of him was right. He has learnt he couldn't be a perfect human being. He had to learn to be himself.
* Being in lockdown has made him appreciate even more the culture and connections at the club. It's a great place to turn up to each day.
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Cotch on Ch 9 news tonight:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1265928845473058818
Isolation has treated Dustin Martin very kindly according to his captain. Trent Cotchin says Dusty has "a glow" about him he's not seen before, and it could translate into big things for the Tigers. @cstanaway #9News
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'I'm rapt': Find out why this Tiger wants the AFL to keep short quarters
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
29 May 2020
RICHMOND skipper Trent Cotchin has backed shorter quarters remaining, saying the slicing of game time has minimal impact on matches.
Quarters have been cut by four minutes - from 20 to 16 minutes plus time-on - this year to assist the AFL get through its 2020 campaign during the COVID-19 pandemic.
The AFL won't make a call on whether the overall cut of about 20 minutes from games is kept beyond this year, but Cotchin, who has skippered the Tigers to their 2017 and 2019 premierships, said the move could assist the longevity of a player's career.
MORE PLAYERS? AFL considers extra bodies on the bench
"I think it's good, it didn't seem to impact the game substantially in round one," the 30-year-old told SEN radio.
"I'm rapt with it. I am getting a little bit older, so the shorter the game, the better for me. I don't think it will change the game too much."
Cotchin said it was difficult to know how players will cope with the quick return to games after a three-month gap since round one was played in March.
"Given it's not the norm, there's obviously an area of grayness," he said.
"We don't know exactly how it's going to look or feel, but with regards to our program in the 'iso' phase, our program was heavily focused on injury prevention and ensuring we're doing enough work that when we do return to play, hopefully we've loaded all the areas you typically get in a game."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/440295/-i-m-rapt-find-out-why-this-tiger-wants-the-afl-to-keep-short-quarters
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We tend to leak goals in the final minutes of quarters, hopefully with the shorter quarters we can maintain our concentration and intensity to ensure it doesn't happen.
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We tend to leak goals in the final minutes of quarters, hopefully with the shorter quarters we can maintain our concentration and intensity to ensure it doesn't happen.
We just leaked them earlier vs Blues
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A story of triumph, adversity and a willingness to push through, as told by captain @tcotchin9.
📽️ Watch the full unique, animated film via @nibhealthfunds - Through it all (https://www.nib.com.au/the-checkup/community/richmond-tigers-through-it-all?utm_source=Richmond_Tigers&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Through_It_All)
Trent Cotchin On Earning His Tiger Stripes
nib
4 June 2020
Growing up just north of the CBD, Trent Cotchin is a born and bred Melburnian. Since joining the Richmond Tigers in 2007, he’s been appointed the team’s youngest full-time captain (at just under 23 years old) and led the team to win two premierships.
Trent has overcome injuries and defied critics to become one of the game’s most respected players. Now the father of three is about to embark on what will likely be his most challenging season yet.
Before the 2020 kick-off, we had a chance to find out what goes into making a Tigers player and what we can expect from Trent and the rest of the team this season.
The Check Up (TCU): You grew up in the surrounding suburbs of Melbourne and your entire professional career has been played with the one club. What does it mean to play for a club you grew up watching?
Trent: It has been a fantastic experience; I did not realise how big an AFL club was until I came into Richmond. But the best experience has been improving year on year and ultimately winning a couple of premierships and just seeing how much it means to everybody. The impact we can have on peoples’ lives is huge and I’m very grateful to be able to bring this joy to so many people.
TCU: What are some of the characteristics that make up a Tigers player?
Trent: We like our players to be humble, but also hungry to grow and get better with each day. It’s also important for us to show care and love for each other and I think this is one of our key strengths as a playing group.
TCU: You’ve had your fair share of injuries. How do you bounce back physically? Do you have a support team of health professionals? If so, can you please chat us through some of them and how they help get you back in condition?
Trent: From a physical perspective, I have a competitive streak in me, so that’s the main driver to get myself back in peak physical condition. Our physical and medical staff at the club are first class and really help us to avoid and overcome injuries.
From a mental side, it’s important to control what you can. Last year, I had some ongoing hamstring injuries, and it was important for me to maintain perspective and gratitude. I tried not to worry about the things outside of my control, and focus on building good habits to get myself fit again.
TCU: You’re a dad to three children under the age of six. What skills, lessons or traits are important for you to instil in your kids?
Trent: Being a parent is certainly challenging and there’s no rule book to follow. My wife and I try to instil gratitude to our children each night, talking about what went well in their day and what they are looking forward to tomorrow. We really try to have our kids focus on what they do have, rather than what we don’t hav
https://www.nib.com.au/the-checkup/community/richmond-tigers-through-it-all?utm_source=Richmond_Tigers&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Through_It_All
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The experience that made Tigers captain appreciate women even more
By Marc McGowan
afl.com.au
8 June 2020
TRENT Cotchin needed a moment to compose himself.
It was July 27 last year. The Richmond captain's wife, and the mother of his two other children, Brooke, was in the process of being rushed off for an emergency cesarean section.
"I suppose once the obstetrician makes the call, given it's an emergency, everything happens really quickly, and I just found myself completely rattled," Cotchin told Last Time I Cried.
"I was meant to be the sign of strength but I knew that it wasn't exactly what Brooke wanted, and the health of her and the baby are absolutely A1 and the most important thing.
"But getting rushed down to theatre, I must have looked white, because the nurse came up to me. She was like, 'Hey, are you OK?' and I was like, 'I might just need a minute'.
"So they put me out in the waiting room, which was the worst place I could have gone.
"I just sat in this dingy little room, staring at the ceiling, going, 'Why am I out here? I'm not the one on the table about to go through probably one of the more challenging things in my life'."
Soon after that moment of despair came more positive tears, when Cotchin returned to his wife's side to welcome their third child and first son, Parker, to the world.
Their older two children are both girls, Harper and Mackenzie.
[ - Trent Cotchin on wife Brooke's C-section ]
"To watch all of our talented medical staff get to work and pull out a healthy baby and then realise it was a boy … I don't even know what came out of me then – it was tears of joy," Cotchin said
"It was the rawest of emotions. I was so proud of Brooke. I probably wasn't aware of what was about to come, with regards to recovery time.
"You don't realise the significance until you start to go through it. That was a hard time but an amazingly special time."
Cotchin said the experience made him appreciate not only his wife but all women even more than he already did.
"They cut through something like 32 layers of tissue and muscle and tendons," he said of Brooke's C-section.
"That's pretty significant, particularly on the back of going through a nine-month journey of carrying the baby, and us as men not contributing much, except for the initial part of the process.
"Then they have the baby, have to recover, still have to breastfeed and have to look after two other kids. I take my hat off to all women."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/441650/the-experience-that-made-tigers-captain-appreciate-women-even-more
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1. Trent Cotchin still among the league’s elite
Former Brownlow medallist Trent Cotchin also turned back time, racking up 23 disposals (15 contested) to stamp himself best afield for the men in yellow and black. Cotchin’s willingness to throw himself at the ball at every contest proved valuable for the Tigers, as for the early portions of the match he seemed to be their only midfielder on the ground.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/06/12/five-things-we-learnt-from-richmond-versus-collingwood/
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Richmond's Round 2 stand out: Trent Cotchin
The skipper led from the front on a very strange night of football. The Tigers were under fire early but Cotchin held strong before he was the architect of his side’s comeback in the eventual draw. He drove the ball inside 50 on six occasions (an equal team high) while leading the way with seven clearances plus five tackles and 23 touches, willing himself to contests in true Cotchin style.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/06/15/the-players-who-stood-out-and-those-who-must-improve/
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‘Thanks for posting this on a photo of my kids’: Tigers skipper hits back at AFL troll
June 22, 2020
Jai Bednall
news.com.au
Two days after the AFL launched its new social campaign #PlayFairOnline, Tigers skipper Trent Cotchin took the high road in an exchange with an Instagram follower that left him scratching his head.
After a surprise 32-point defeat against the Hawks left Richmond winless since the resumption of the AFL season a fortnight ago, Cotchin posted a photograph of his daughters, Harper and Mackenzie.
It received a warm response from everyone bar one salty so-called supporter, who wrote: “Focus on footy u guys are playing s***, I love Richmond but it’s not acceptable.”
Cotchin delivered an even-handed reply: “Thanks mate, appreciate your feedback but one loss doesn’t make a season and we are 3 rounds in. Appreciate you posting this on a photo of my kids which will always be more important than a game. Thanks.”
It was the follower’s follow-up that provided the most frightening insight into the mindset of social media trolls.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b7f7d73bdbea83401530632893a24c97)
With trolls like this, what hope have we got.Source: Instagram
“Cotchin I’m joking I love u bro,” he responded. “Ur my fav player I can’t believe u replied.”
No apology. No reflection on how poor his behaviour was initially. Just excitement that someone had paid attention to him.
Come on mate, do better.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/thanks-for-posting-this-on-a-photo-of-my-kids-tigers-skipper-hits-back-at-afl-troll/news-story/5a5faf96c775e239c725eeaa2b69dfd9
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hahaha what a great comeback Cotch.
Social media is for the tip. The worst culprit is twitter.
That guys account has been deactivated. :lol :lol
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Agreed. Social media blows.
It promotes misinformation and gives dangerous idiots a megaphone.
It's leading to a rise in extremism on all sides of politics.
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It also gives too much information to those who can't handle it
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Twitter and the rest of social media is for the tip. Its the sanctity for the great unwashed.
This blokes response when Cotch answered was pathetic. Arent people embarrased to do poo like that.
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Twitter and the rest of social media is for the tip. Its the sanctity for the great unwashed.
This blokes response when Cotch answered was pathetic. Arent people embarrased to do poo like that.
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You'd love Twitter Ramps; those who are anti-left are tweeting some amazing comedy gold at the moment. Some of the best stuff is coming from Victoria Libs, especially the member for Kew Tim Smith. As for the left, they are trying to keep up. 😎
And on a serious note what about some of the stuff that gets posted here? Forums are form of social media. Or is it only the people who post on the likes of Twitter, Instagram etc that should be embarrassed?
hahaha what a great comeback Cotch.
Social media is for the tip. The worst culprit is twitter.
That guys account has been deactivated. :lol :lol
Twitter is worst but that stuff in the article wasn't on Twitter but another platform 🤔
And social media is for the tip but this forum is considered a social media platform, go figure ;D
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I come in here for some laughs. God knows I need some considering the dark places Ive been too mentally speaking. You know things are no good when you seriously contemplate your life and in my case stopping dialysis treatment. Anyway, Ivd never been on twitter or instagram i read enough of that garbage copy and posted on here like that response to trent. How pathetic can someone be to write I love you bro when he saw cotch responded. It is indeed for the great unwashed.
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Twitter is great.
Great tiger connections on there.
We more than hold our own against the oppo supporters.
Especially the minnows that have a crack like Lolnorf.
As for the politics Tim Smith what a absolute twit.
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Twitter is great.
Great tiger connections on there.
We more than hold our own against the oppo supporters.
Especially the minnows that have a crack like Lolnorf.
As for the politics Tim Smith what a absolute twit.
:thumbsup
Have to say Geelong supporters are great value. Talk about salty :rollin
I am not condoning the Cotch stuff in any way. But this forum is a form of social media and some of the stuff over the years is on par to what that moron posted...
And Ramps if you want a laugh then seriously Twitter is for you!
Trump's tweets are sensational
And the parody account "Translate Trump" is even better.
And for those of us no religiously inclined the God twitter account is brilliant ;D
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the same as jumping on someones twitter account when they are celebrating their kids birthday and having a personal attack at them? Give me a break WP.
There is a reason why twitter shares have dropped in half since its inception and thats because its rubbish. Same goes for Instagram IMO, which only survives as its owned by facebook.
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The United States is now teetering on the brink of a second civil war basically because of twitter and tik tok.... :shh
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the same as jumping on someones twitter account when they are celebrating their kids birthday and having a personal attack at them? Give me a break WP.
There is a reason why twitter shares have dropped in half since its inception and thats because its rubbish. Same goes for Instagram IMO, which only survives as its owned by facebook.
Newsflash for you although I did say it yesterday
It wasn't on Twitter..... it was Instragram
And again I really wish you'd read (1) what you write and (2) my replies to what you write
You said "social media is for the tip". That is what you said, not me but you
My response to what you wrote is that this forum is part of social media.
I didn't condone what the loser did. just that I find it amusing people taking a hammer to "social media" about it
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Cotch in the post-game interview said he's done "some damage". As WP said it sounds like a hammy.
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Cotch in the post-game interview said he's done "some damage". As WP said it sounds like a hammy.
I thought he said "A little hammy"
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Cotch in the post-game interview said he's done "some damage". As WP said it sounds like a hammy.
I thought he said "A little hammy"
AFL website says hammy.
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Ch 7 news tonight said Cotch will miss two games.
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Ch 7 news tonight said Cotch will miss two games.
I reckon he will miss 3 or 4
His history over the last 12 months, means they have to be conservative
Just my take
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Dimma echoed your post WP. Cotch is now training well but we won't push him given his history. So he won't play against GWS.
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Watching the footage from the Hub I couldn't help thinking he's looking very relaxed.
Suppose it helps when your kids suddenly collect another 30 or so new "uncles" to help share the responsibility.
Probably keeps the wife happy as well which is always a good thing
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Watching the footage from the Hub I couldn't help thinking he's looking very relaxed.
Suppose it helps when your kids suddenly collect another 30 or so new "uncles" to help share the responsibility.
Probably keeps the wife happy as well which is always a good thing
Apparently she is quite demanding too haha
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Cotch to return for the Dogs game according to SEN.
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Cotch to return for the Dogs game according to SEN.
Dimma said this in his presser today.
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Tigers to handle Cotchin with kid gloves
By Daniel Cherny and Anthony Colangelo
Updated July 23, 2020
Richmond are set to tread carefully when it comes to managing captain Trent Cotchin’s workload in the coming weeks as the Tigers brace for four matches inside 16 days beginning with Friday night’s grand final re-match with Greater Western Sydney at Sydney's Giants Stadium.
The Tigers skipper has missed the club’s last two matches because of a hamstring injury and will also miss the clash with the Giants. Instead, Richmond have earmarked a return for Cotchin next Wednesday night against the Western Bulldogs on the Gold Coast.
While Richmond coach Damien Hardwick indicated on Thursday that the Tigers would look to be flexible when it came to selection during the compressed AFL fixture block between rounds nine and 12, he said no chances would be taken with veteran Cotchin.
“We’ll probably have a rigid plan with Trent around the games that he does play,” Hardwick said.
“Obviously with his injury history we’ve got to be careful to manage that. He’s had a great training block. His speed is incredible at the moment, he’s back above what he was playing at before.”
Richmond’s opponents have been boosted by the return of Toby Greene and have also named Sam Jacobs and Daniel Lloyd.
Bobby Hill and Jackson Hatley are omitted and Shane Mumford is injured.
The Tigers have named father-son winger Patrick Naish for his third AFL game with Josh Caddy out injured.
While Jack Higgins and Daniel Rioli were both been cleared to take on the Giants, defender David Astbury has suffered a setback as he vies to return from a knee injury.
“It didn’t settle as we would like,” Hardwick said. “He looked highly probable to play and it took a bit of a turn for the worse. He obviously won’t play this game, probably very unlikely he won’t play the Bulldogs game, and then thereafter we’ll have to wait and see.”
However even when Astbury does return, Hardwick said it wouldn’t be at the expense of emerging tall defender Noah Balta.
“We think for us to be a really good side, Noah has to be in the side. With David coming back in, we’re looking to keep all those guys in the side at the same time,” Hardwick said.
With the glut of matches coming up, Hardwick flagged opportunities for untested youngsters Riley Collier-Dawkins and Thomson Dow, as well as Jack Ross and Sydney Stack, both of whom narrowly missed selection for last year’s grand final.
Hardwick also paid tribute to former Richmond player Shane Tuck, who died suddenly earlier this week.
Tuck was a regular senior during Hardwick’s early years at Punt Road.
“We spoke about it as a group at length,” he said. “He’ll certainly be with us on the weekend.
“I can only remember him as the warrior that he was. I remember there was a game over in Adelaide. We were short a rotation. He actually broke his scapula. He went back on the ground, we said, 'Listen, just stay in the goal square.’ He was meant to just stay in the goal square but I remember him chase outside 50, he did a diving tackle. It just sums him up.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-to-handle-cotchin-with-kid-gloves-20200723-p55et8.html
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Nothing earth-shattering but Cotch won't be playing 3 games in a row according to Ch7.
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Not surprised.
In fact he could almost play every 2nd game given the 4-5 day breaks!
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Cotch now our equal second most capped captain.
source: RFC website.
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Not surprised.
In fact he could almost play every 2nd game given the 4-5 day breaks!
I’m guessing he plays vs Lions, rests the Power game and saves himself a trip on a plane to be ready 9 days later to play the Goldie?
Playing time of an hour on Wednesday was a huge bonus
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Agree. He played only 65% of game time this week and I think probably the same against the lions.
Hopefully his hamstrings hold up.
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Welcome back captain :clapping.
26 disposals (13k, 13h, 15c, 11u, 58% eff.)
2 marks
9 clearances
5 centre clearances
8 inside 50s
3 intercepts
6 tackles
2 score involvements
342 metres gained
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I thought he was our best = led from the front
But.....
Disposal efficiency of only 58% is poor by anyone's standards.
And I wonder how some would react if we were applying it to others?
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Maybe but anyone getting 15 contested and trying to create space in the clinches is going to get a few wrong.
Would take this 26 possession game over one from his 2016 season any day of the week
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Thank god he is back, missed him and meatballs badly
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Don't rest him again this week. Let him play.
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I thought he was our best = led from the front
But.....
Disposal efficiency of only 58% is poor by anyone's standards.
And I wonder how some would react if we were applying it to others?
BOG for me.
Agree with HRT that with 15 contested the disposal efficiency isn't too bad, although of course I'd rather it was better.
Pickett for example wasn't overly clean with only 4 contested of his 13 but going at 61%. George even worse with 5 of 13 but going at 38% > should be dropped if we have anyone else who can push him out.
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BOG for mine.
Great game.
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He would have given us ascendency against port. I say rest him and have him ready for finals
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He would have given us ascendency against port. I say rest him and have him ready for finals
Agree.
I would absolutely rest him this week.
We have WC and Geelong games where we need his leadership the most.
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Set the standard and lead from the front in the guts :thumbsup.
26 disposals ( 18k, 8h, 15c, 10u, 54% eff.)
2 marks
7 clearances … ( 2 centre clearances )
6 inside 50s
1 tackle
386 metres gained
4 intercepts
4 score involvements
1 goal assist
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Back to his best. Great captain's game.
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How Richmond's Trent Cotchin helped improve key part of Penrith's Nathan Cleary's game
Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has revealed how his son, Panthers halfback Nathan, improved his kicking game following a session with Richmond Tigers captain Trent Cotchin.
When asked about his son's startling improvement this season, coach Cleary said Nathan gained more "confidence" in his kicking game following a visit to the Richmond Football Club in Melbourne.
Cleary said that Cotchin, a two-time premiership-winning captain with the Tigers in the AFL, gave some valuable kicking advice to the 22-year-old NRL playmaker.
"He practices a lot and has a lot more confidence," Cleary told reporters post-game.
"He went down to Melbourne for a day; a trip down to Richmond with our performance staff.
"I know he had a long conversation with Trent Cotchin, the captain of Richmond.
"He gave him a bit of a kicking tip I think that might've helped.
"I know he got something out of that.
"He got a little bit more confidence on that [kicking] front."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/how-richmonds-trent-cotchin-helped-key-part-of-nathan-clearys-game/cc7edc3c-94bc-4230-b31e-15b1660e80fd
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Cotch in the QF will equal Perc Bentley's record of most games as Richmond captain :clapping
Games Period Premierships
Trent Cotchin 168* 2013- 2017, 2019
Percy Bentley 168 1932-40 1932, 1934
Jack Dyer 160 1940-49 1943
Des Rowe 104 1952-57
Matthew Knights 102 1997-2000
Alec Edmond 101 1901-07 1902 (VFA), 1905 (VFA)
Wayne Campbell 88 2001-04
Dan Minogue 87 1920-25 1920, 1921
Chris Newman 85 2009-12
Dale Weightman 81 1988-92
Kane Johnson 79 2005-08
Roger Dean 77 1968-71 1969
Royce Hart 71 1972-75 1973, 1974
https://www.tigerlandarchive.org/tiki-index.php?page=Senior+Captainshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Richmond_Football_Club_captains
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Bents' posts are way funnier than Cotchin's though.....not to mention cheaper... :shh
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AFLPA's Best Captain
116 votes: Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
98 votes: Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs)
90 votes: Tom Jonas (Port Adelaide)
54 votes: Joel Selwood (Geelong)
51 votes: Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/510142/aflpa-awards-best-captain-most-courageous-best-first-year-player
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Was Percy Bentley the one who.left us and wenf to Carlton?
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Balme's tribute to Cotchin:
“He made it hard for himself in the earlier days . . . he put too much pressure on himself and I get the feeling what he did, he sat in front of his mates, the players, and said, I want to be the best captain I can be for you blokes. Let me know if I’m doing something that’s not quite right,” Balme said.
“So, all of a sudden, he accepted, in today’s terminology, his vulnerability and he became a far better captain because whatever happens, happens, but I’m going to do my best for them.
“He’d be terrific to play under as a player, I’ve got no doubt whatsoever.”
“You don’t need him to get 35 touches, but you need him to get the ones he gets,” Balme said.
“He’s such a bull . . .
“We’ve just got that lovely balance in there (the midfield), I think, and he’s an important part of it.
“Other players will get the ball more often in a game, but they won’t have more impact than he does.”
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Cotchin also will join Bentley in leading the Tigers into the most AFL/VFL finals series – seven.
Richmond captains in most AFL/VFL finals series
7 – Percy Bentley (1932, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1937, 1939, 1940),
Trent Cotchin (2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020).
5 – Jack Dyer (1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1947).
4 – Royce Hart (1972, 1973, 1974, 1975).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/820356/cotchin-on-verge-of-richmond-captaincy-record
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Was Percy Bentley the one who.left us and wenf to Carlton?
Left/sacked.
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In 1940 Jack Dyer's father Ben, a committeeman who wanted coach Percy Bentley replaced and his son Jack named captain, was disposed in an election. Jack Dyer stood out of football for a brief time before returning to the club.
The 1940 Grand Final was against the [ex-Tigers] Page - [Checker] Hughes led Melbourne. Richmond lost largely due to Hughes' tactics when O'Keefe tagged Dyer out of the game, Norm Smith, as opposed to his normal leading style, played close to fullback Smeaton whose trademark punch-aways were gathered by specially placed rovers. Hughes also had his team crowd Kevin O'Neill on to his wrong foot and Melbourne's ruckmen played wide of Dyer.
Percy Bentley was widely criticised for not reacting to Hughes' tactics, and when he asked for a pay rise from $14 to $15 he was sacked, Jack Dyer taking over.
Bentley had been a good tactician as a coach and is credited for developing the technique of playing the resting ruckman as a forward, with the full forward leading out and the ruckman dropping back to mark long kicks in the square.
The loss of Page and Hughes had been the making of Melbourne, and the loss of Bentley was the making of Carlton. He coached them for 15 years and served on the committee and as a selector, when he died in 1982 he was vice-president.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/history.htm - nb. link only up to 2004.
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Trent Cotchin
Like most Tigers, his use wasn’t as clean as it usually is, even when taking into account the finals atmosphere. A ripping goal early on and still got a fair chunk of the footy. Just the one tackle.
Rating: 6
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
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Way below his normal defensive efforts and pressure especially in finals. He needed to lead the way but didn’t do that effectively.
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Bump.
Cotch breaks the record tonight for the most games as Richmond captain :clapping
Games Period Premierships
Trent Cotchin 169* 2013- 2017, 2019
Percy Bentley 168 1932-40 1932, 1934
Jack Dyer 160 1940-49 1943
Des Rowe 104 1952-57
Matthew Knights 102 1997-2000
Alec Edmond 101 1901-07 1902 (VFA), 1905 (VFA)
Wayne Campbell 88 2001-04
Dan Minogue 87 1920-25 1920, 1921
Chris Newman 85 2009-12
Dale Weightman 81 1988-92
Kane Johnson 79 2005-08
Roger Dean 77 1968-71 1969
Royce Hart 71 1972-75 1973, 1974
https://www.tigerlandarchive.org/tiki-index.php?page=Senior+Captainshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Richmond_Football_Club_captains
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Trent Cotchin
Went head to head with Jack Steele at times by made a number of clangers by footy during the contest.
Rating: 5
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
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Trent Cotchin
Went head to head with Jack Steele at times by made a number of clangers by footy during the contest.
Rating: 5
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
:huh3
5?
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We need him at his best last 2 games been down and turning ball over.
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Love Cotch but last night was his worst game in a long long time. Fumbly, lacked awareness (which is usually his strength) & last two weeks too many careless high tackles rather than going for opponent's hips. Hope he clicks back to his best next week.
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Sometimes I wish he'd just kill the ball... :shh
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Trent Cotchin
Went head to head with Jack Steele at times by made a number of clangers by footy during the contest.
Rating: 5
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
8 turnovers
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Cotch's 250th tomorrow night :clapping
2008 15 games
2009 10
2010 17
2011 22
2012 22
2013 22
2014 23
2015 22
2016 20
2017 25
2018 22
2019 14
2020 16*
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Total 250* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/T/Trent_Cotchin.html
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Hard to remember Cotch having two ordinary games in a row. Aside from the first bounce of the game that set up Lynch's goal in the first minute, I thought Cotch was 'off' a bit last week. Touchwood, we see him back to his best in his 250th and he leads from the front once again :thumbsup.
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Agree with you need the beast mode tommorow.
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i gotta feeling cotch is gonna unleash tonight. I know he has 2 flags under his belt, but he is only human and that coin toss debacle dragged on for years. He would want revenge tonight against them.
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Was solid! Went in at every contest! Excellent game from the captain! Come on guys back to back!!!
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Trent Cotchin
Burst out of the blocks, well held in the third quarter but was around the ball when it mattered in the last term. Looked poised despite the pressure.
Rating: 8
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
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I love scotch but 8 is a stretch. Looked super slow and his possessions were ineffective. I really fear that next week may be about it for him.
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I love scotch but 8 is a stretch.
More a bourbon man myself :cheers :cheers
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Trent Cotchin will become the first Richmond player to be a three-time premiership captain if the Tigers win and the eighth person in the game's history to be captain in three flags.
The Tigers are looking to win back-to-back flags for the first time since 1973-74 with Cotchin defending their culture despite a number of off-field incidents throughout 2020.
"We are really proud of what we have created and continue to create," Cotchin said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/cats-will-need-to-prise-flag-from-richmond-s-grip-selwood-20201023-p5681s.html
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Trent Cotchin's year of challenges and lessons
By Jake Niall
The Age
October 24, 2020
Should Richmond win the premiership, Trent Cotchin will be the first captain in club history to be skipper for three premierships, an achievement that wasn’t managed by club immortals Jack Dyer and Royce Hart.
It’s a potential record that Cotchin, who says he lives very much in the moment, did not know about. ‘‘No, I didn’t. It’s something I’ll probably reflect on at the end.’’
Cotchin is into his third grand final, aiming for a 3-0 record that would make him the envy of various others who have struck out in grand finals. This one will be at the Gabba, for the first and probably only time in AFL history – to which he offers this salient perspective on Richmond’s progress: ‘‘To be honest with you, three or four years ago, I never thought I’d play in a grand final.
‘‘As I said, it’s special no matter where it is, we’re just really looking forward to the opportunity.’’
Cotchin has had a challenging year, on both a personal and team front, but it is a year that is concluding in another premiership opportunity. His team has had some issues – notably the Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones drama in Surfers’ Paradise, which Cotchin said offered a learning experience for the club.
‘‘I think when you’re always challenged as a group, and clearly there was a lot of people talking about what had happened with that situation, it was a public challenge that we faced,’’ Cotchin said of the kebab-shop incident that resulted in the pair being suspended and sent home.
‘‘What it does is encourage lots of great conversations that allow people to share how they feel.
‘‘As we’ve always said, our No.1 focus is to ensure that those two players receive the support and help that is required.’’
As captain, Cotchin seeks to balance pushing standards for the players with empathy.
‘‘I think you definitely have to have standards and values but I always try to treat every scenario with empathy,’’ he said.
Cotchin also had his own difficulties, when his wife Brooke’s sojourn to a beauty parlour resulted in the club copping a $25,000 fine for a COVID breach in Queensland as part of the draconian AFL rules for those in club hubs.
Cotchin, at first reluctant to discuss a situation that involved his wife, observed that it was not part of Brooke’s job to be in the spotlight like a footballer.
‘‘Yeah, it’s a challenge. It’s not her job to be put out in the public spotlight like we are as players.
‘‘So that was challenging but you know again we learned a lot through that with regards to our relationship but also the people who are always there for you.’’
Cotchin had also been among the players who had raised the possibility of leaving the hub, a fact that emerged in a comment from Jane Gale, the wife of Richmond’s chief executive.
‘‘It was more just about my family’s wellbeing, yeah,’’ said Cotchin of the ‘‘hub-aloo’’ that surfaced in August when the club was fined for Brooke’s beauty parlour trip.
‘‘I think every player that’s been in the hub has had times where they’ve been challenged, whether it be missing people from home or some of the restrictions - which is easy to say up here given what everyone’s been going through in Melbourne.’’
Cotchin’s three young children, including his school-aged six-year-old daughter, have been in the hub for 100-plus days, a situation that he found both ‘‘amazing’’ in terms of life lessons, but also challenging.
The AFL provided his daughter with teaching support that helped cover for not being at school, as it did for others within the Royal Pines resort on the Gold Coast.
‘‘The AFL provided a program which made a big difference and the club have been supportive as well.
‘‘There was quite a few families, whether they were from other clubs or AFL that were staying there.
‘‘Yeah, the people that have been looking after them have been fantastic.’’
Cotchin agreed that the hubs were not a natural environment – ‘‘no, definitely not’’ – but says it was also a treasured experience that he and his family will not forget.
‘‘It’s certainly something that I think we’ll reflect on for years to come ... you know, having the kids around and for the boys and Brooke, for that matter, just to get to experience what I get to experience every day back in Melbourne has been special and unique and has given them a total appreciation of, you know, what footy clubs are about, particularly our footy club.
‘‘Just some of the life lessons that they’ve learned just from spending time with guys, whether it’s out on the pitch out here or playing card games and so forth.
‘‘They’re all experiences that they probably wouldn’t have got, certainly not the age of six, four and one.
‘‘Yeah, we’re incredibly grateful for being part of this journey with them.’’
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan spoke with Cotchin a couple of times, just to encourage him, as with other captains, to do all that he could to keep the season going.
Did Cotchin think the season, about to be completed, would actually cross the finish line, as it will on Saturday night at the Gabba.
‘‘To be honest, I had no idea. Once we got up here it seemed as though things were going pretty well but there was definitely times where I think the AFL was fearful.’’
Richmond’s aggression in games has been another discussion point this season, but Cotchin did not view it as an issue.
‘‘No, I think aggression’s a part of our make-up, just with the way, you know, we like to pressure the ball.’’
He felt his own hard-edged play, which has been evident for some years, was ‘‘just part and parcel’’ of playing footy.
‘‘I think we let ourselves down a little bit in the first final, just with regards to the 50 metres.’’
While the Tigers have been seen as the benchmark and even cast as the overdogs, compared to 2017’s insurgency and romance, Cotchin says they remain a team that hunts.
‘‘I think the way we play footy is very much about the hunting. I think that’s a core part of what we do as a team. ‘‘You know, we try to remain hungry and do our best every week.’’
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-s-afl-2020-year-of-challenges-and-lessons-20201023-p5684q.html
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Gut feel Cotchin will norm tonight and will finally get the redirect he deserves
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Lead the boys Captain hit the beast mode.
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Our first 3x premiership captain. In rare air. Fantastic achievement, Cotch :clapping
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Champion player champion person. :clapping
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Trent Cotchin – 7
A typically fierce game from the skipper. Didn't waste his 19 disposals, with most won in tight contests and used fairly well. Was exposed one-on-one against Patrick Dangerfield up forward, but redeemed himself with an important intercept mark in front of Gary Ablett with five minutes remaining.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/521174/tigers-player-ratings-no-passengers-on-the-tiger-train)
Trent Cotchin
Started on fire with seven touches in the first quarter, winning the ball from the centre of the ground and working hard at the clearances. His work in tight was very good as the Richmond captain hunted the ball in the contest.
Rating: 7
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-richmond-vs-geelong-dustin-martin-player-ratings-tigers-stats-best-and-worst-players-afl-finals-gabba/news-story/2c23bd9c6b85150e3f828938dc9c0006)
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Cotch now the eighth captain in AFL history to captain his side to 3 or more flags.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/835098/cotchin-in-elite-captaincy-class
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The Tiger King. Trent Cotchin on how his desire to use his lessons in authenticity to drive his next moves post-footy, his new venture One Two, the toughest year of his footy career and the 2020 finals turning point
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin opens up on the challenges of 2020, the lowest point of his footy career, life after footy and his mate Dusty.
Why Cotchins almost walked out on AFL hub
The full-throated scream that carried across Richmond’s MCG change rooms after the 2015 elimination finals loss will stay with those that heard it forever.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/trent-cotchin-opens-up-about-hub-life-challenges-new-businesses-and-his-mate-dusty/news-story/498c534f0d1cfbaf7f12569731ff4b7f
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Cotch will be interviewed on 7news tonight during their sports report (~6:40pm).
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Cotch will be interviewed on 7news tonight during their sports report (~6:40pm).
Here it is:
As part of #7NEWS big Sunday of #AFL, we're committed to bringing you interviews with the game's biggest names.
@timwatson32 goes one-on-one with @Richmond_FC captain Trent Cotchin, who can still pack a punch.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/amplify_video_thumb/1376083149306753028/img/c3z6zBg_ignpeDXV.jpg) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1376084084984713219)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1376084084984713219
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'Cotchin is precautionary [wearing ice bags on his legs]. We’ll assess that during the week but back-to-back six-day breaks, we’ll make a decision on whether he goes to Adelaide and figure it out from there'.
- Hardwick post-game.
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Game has passed him by on today’s effort. Looked like an old man out there.
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Game has passed him by on today’s effort. Looked like an old man out there.
Put him in cotton wool until round 17. We need him ripe for finals where he can lay that crucial tackle or that one aft of aggression or that one skilful act that turns the game and makes us win. :clapping
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Cotch will play on Friday night according to the AFL website.
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Trent Cotchin remains a chance to face Port Adelaide on Friday night despite concerns over a fresh hamstring injury. The captain's absence would be another blow to the already battered tigers.
@_AMcCormack7 #7AFL #7NEWS
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/Cotch7news05042021.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1378994525331288071)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1378994525331288071
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2-1 and 3 of the past 4 premierships and we are "battered"?
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The captain is 31 today :birthday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es3xi5_U0AY7gOl?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1379556521126715393
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For the stats buffs, when was the last time we lost (apart from last weekend)
That we lost when Cotch played??
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For the stats buffs, when was the last time we lost (apart from last weekend)
That we lost when Cotch played??
QF vs Brisbane
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For the stats buffs, when was the last time we lost (apart from last weekend)
That we lost when Cotch played??
QF vs Brisbane
Ty, I seem to recall prior to that it was a fair string of games, maybe my brain has been too addled
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Ty, I seem to recall prior to that it was a fair string of games, maybe my brain has been too addled
I'll drink to that.
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"Right now, he needs to lift when those around him aren't and he needs to be doing more."
Kane Cornes believes Trent Cotchin needs to step up, particularly with Dustin Martin and Dion Prestia out of the side.
Cotch watch - Is Trent Cotchin out of form?
Cotchin Mundy Kennedy (Syd) Boak
Ranking pts 75.6 117.2 92.7 115.8
Disposals 19.8 25.5 25.7 28.0
Cont. poss. 10.2 11.5 13.3 14.0
Clearances 3.0 5.8 6.7 6.3
Score Inv. 3.2 8.2 6.3 7.5
Cotchin vs Melbourne:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez5jKOSVoAI249q?format=jpg&name=large)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1386653622092582916
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I think someone posted it in another thread "the elephant in the room"
The only thing I will say is (and I've been saying at games) with the way the games being played so far this season he looks so slow. Opposition run off him alot
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Inb4 Dooks returns... :shh
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Why would't we be trying him off half back for a few games. Could be a good quarter back for us.
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Why would't we be trying him off half back for a few games. Could be a good quarter back for us.
I'd worry about his turnovers and kicking.
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If we were gonna move him from the guts then I'd play him forward not back... :shh
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If we were gonna move him from the guts then I'd play him forward not back... :shh
Agree though his set shot goal kicking is average at best
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No worse than Castagna...:shh
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Been an absolute champion of the club, but the end will come very quickly
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Cotchin hammy
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Cotchin hammy
Cotch said he did it chasing Caleb Daniel. Felt a slight tweak. He'll have scans tomorrow. Obviously will miss next week's GF rematch.
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Love him but this has to be his last year. Slower every year and you can see he's clearly struggling to run + kick on his right leg for fear of the hammy giving way.
Great servant this I think this really should be his last hurrah.
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Great game from cotchin. Yes he has struggled a bit this year but when really needed he showed why he has been such a good player over the entire career.
Was almost/probably our best this game and as a leader stood up when really needed.
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Time is catching up with him but he goes in and has a dip. It’s sad he can’t necessarily keep up with his faster opponents but when it’s a 50/50 ball you know he’s all in.
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Just what we needed from the skipper. Rest up and hopefully see him in a couple weeks.
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Thought his 2nd half was awesome :clapping
Speed or lack there of continues to be an issue
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Cotchin had been pivotal to the side's response after the main break, finishing with 24 disposals and seven clearances before he was made to come from the field with a tweaked hamstring.
"I think it's a hamstring, unfortunately," Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said afterwards.
"He was incredible tonight, I thought he really led from the front and was part of the resurgence. But he'll obviously miss some weeks, we're not too sure how many it will be.
"It's disappointing. It's just sad to see great players not playing. We're going to miss him for a couple of weeks at least."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/603832/hamstring-injury-set-to-sideline-top-tiger-trent-cotchin-for-some-weeks
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Great game from cotchin. Yes he has struggled a bit this year but when really needed he showed why he has been such a good player over the entire career.
Was almost/probably our best this game and as a leader stood up when really needed.
Totally agree. His hardness at the contest was outstanding.
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Julian de Stoop on SEN this arvo said Cotch has a standard hammy which for Trent would be 3-4 weeks out.
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Trent Cotchin's hamstring strain is very much at the minor end of the scale, but given his history it's hard to see him getting back within a month. Did one last year, multiple strains in 2019 and another in 2018.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1389087147295129600
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Scans have shown the strain is a “medium-term” injury, backing coach Damien Hardwick’s initial assertion that Cotchin was set to miss “some weeks”. Considering his history of soft-tissue injuries, this could mean the Tigers take a particularly cautious attitude and have him sidelined for a month.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/business-as-usual-for-bolton-as-dusty-returns-to-the-tiger-fold-20210503-p57obo.html)
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Cotch interviewed on 9news tonight: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1389140497977991169
These injuries have been different actions in different places. Soft tissue injuries haven't been his history until later in his career. Blames hammies on his age, the brutal nature of the game, and running hunched over.
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The skipper had the most contested possessions (12), most tackles (10) and the most clearances (6) today on return.
20 disposals (14k, 6h, 12c, 10u, 60% eff.)
4 marks
10 tackles
6 clearances .... ( 3 centre clearances)
4 inside 50s
320 metres gained
3 intercepts
5 score involvements
72% time on ground
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Still so valuable.
People calling for him to retire are dreaming!
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Great to have skip back
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Huge, him and Prestia. Have missed his maturity in the midfield do badly.
We need to find replacement inside grunt. Graham alone won't cut it.
Still so valuable.
People calling for him to retire are dreaming!
I think I said end of the year. Still not sold on another contract yet.
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Ball clearly hit the point of his boot before the ground.... :shh
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Ball clearly hit the point of his boot before the ground.... :shh
No problem with it being paid holding the ball
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Ball clearly hit the point of his boot before the ground.... :shh
No problem with it being paid holding the ball
Same.
He had prior, plenty of prior, needed to go 1st option didn't got pinged. It was poor on Cotchin's part
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Thought the skipper was great yesterday. Provided what we were lacking along with Prestia and Bolton.
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Ball clearly hit the point of his boot before the ground.... :shh
No problem with it being paid holding the ball
Same.
He had prior, plenty of prior, needed to go 1st option didn't got pinged. It was poor on Cotchin's part
Maybe so but he was pinged for incorrect disposal - which it wasn't. :shh
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Ball clearly hit the point of his boot before the ground.... :shh
No problem with it being paid holding the ball
A lot worse than that were not paid
Same.
He had prior, plenty of prior, needed to go 1st option didn't got pinged. It was poor on Cotchin's part
Maybe so but he was pinged for incorrect disposal - which it wasn't. :shh
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Ball clearly hit the point of his boot before the ground.... :shh
No problem with it being paid holding the ball
Debatable in live action .. still no problem at all with a free kick against .. they don’t have the benefit of slow motion to see if it clipped his toe buy a mm as it hits the ground the same time
Same.
He had prior, plenty of prior, needed to go 1st option didn't got pinged. It was poor on Cotchin's part
Maybe so but he was pinged for incorrect disposal - which it wasn't. :shh
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin could be a shock withdrawal from Saturday night’s Dreamtime game after his daughter was taken to hospital.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-teams-round-12-trent-cotchin-could-miss-dreamtime-game/news-story/6c223245e8189863fb35602e7fe4af16
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Here's the Club's statement as mentioned by pmac in the team changes thread.
Trent Cotchin statement
Richmond has released the following statement regarding captain Trent Cotchin’s availability ahead of this Saturday’s Dreamtime game.
By Richmond Media
2 June 2021
Richmond acknowledges interest in captain Trent Cotchin’s availability ahead of this Saturday’s Dreamtime game.
Cotchin remains a part of the football program in Sydney, and is monitoring a personal matter at home in Victoria.
Richmond General Manager- Football Performance, Tim Livingstone said the Club would continue to support Cotchin and his family however possible.
“Trent has our full support and, as always, family comes first,” he said.
The Club will make no further comment.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/950610/trent-cotchin-club-statement
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The AFL website just tweeted and posted this without adding any new info.
Trent Cotchin could miss Saturday's Dreamtime clash with Essendon in Perth.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1399962918217678848
https://www.afl.com.au/news/624940/tigers-skipper-considers-returning-home-after-family-health-issue
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Brooke Cotchin received this absolutely vile message today. You’d honestly think that everyone would be a little kinder these days with everything we’re all going through but obviously not. Trent is human to and family will always come first. Sickening.
https://twitter.com/jordss27/status/1400028096842010625
Brooke's response to that 'message':
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/BrookeCotchinresponse.png)
https://www.instagram.com/stories/blkcotchin/2587113569078620863/?hl=en
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As a parent of a 2 year old and 5 week old, I would fight anyone who would come between me and being there for my family. pee poor from Tony.
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Why the f do people feel it necessary to message her to tell how they feel. :banghead
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Is Trent's daughter sick or SICK?
Regardless it's not our business. Doesn't need to be on social media. Just keep it within your family.
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Tony is adding fuel to the fire.
Clown.
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Why would she reply to this guy?
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Brooke Cotchin received this absolutely vile message today. You’d honestly think that everyone would be a little kinder these days with everything we’re all going through but obviously not. Trent is human to and family will always come first. Sickening.
https://twitter.com/jordss27/status/1400028096842010625
Brooke's response to that 'message':
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/BrookeCotchinresponse.png)
https://www.instagram.com/stories/blkcotchin/2587113569078620863/?hl=en
What is sad is that Brooke will cop it because some people are just very, very silly. "Some people" not all. People need to be better than that and if that was that muppets' child I am sure he would be wanting to be with his daughter too. And if not, he is a muppet of all muppets. Muppet!
Family First Always!
:gotigers
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Switch off your socials. Good for you, good for your family.
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Why would she reply to this guy?
Because she likes the attention.
My parents mind my kids while my wife and I work/study in lockdown. Don't need to post a selfie of myself at the hospital to prove anything.
HRT is 100% on the money. Get off your social media!
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'He'll be on the plane': Cotchin set for WA trip despite family illness
Tigers skipper Trent Cotchin's family has encouraged him to travel to Perth for Dreamtime in the West
By AAP
3 June 2021
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin is set to travel to Perth for the Tigers' Dreamtime in the West clash with Essendon, rather than making an early return to Victoria to be with his sick daughter.
One of Cotchin's daughters has been in hospital in Melbourne, with the 31-year-old monitoring the situation from the Tigers' current base in Sydney.
Coach Damien Hardwick said Cotchin planned to stay with the team and travel for Saturday's game – his family's preference – unless the situation changed.
"At this stage, he will (make the trip to Perth)," Hardwick told reporters on Thursday.
"Obviously Trent's spoken to (his wife) Brooke and 'Kenz' (daughter Mackenzie) as well and look at the moment, relatively stable. So from that point of view, he'll stay but that can change.
"Once again, from our point of view as a club, family will always come first and Brooke's adamant that she wants him to stay (with the team) and Trent'll make that decision if the condition changes.
"But from our point of view, he'll be on the plane come tomorrow."
Hardwick said Cotchin had continued to lead the Tigers with aplomb, despite his personal situation.
"Knowing Trent as well as I do, he'd be hurting inside – there's no doubt. No one likes to have a sick child, especially when you feel so far away from home," Hardwick said.
"But Trent is very, very good at making sure everyone around him is OK. He's such a selfless person and (it's) what makes him a great captain and a great leader of our football club.
"Look, he's doing a little bit tough at the moment but he's continued to lead the club as we always know he would.
"So he's very strong in his leadership, very vocal in his communication and we expect that (to) continue until something changes."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/625093/-he-ll-be-on-the-plane-cotchin-set-for-wa-trip-despite-family-illness
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This is why it’s really a pointless exercise having a non private social media
I mean what’s the point really? Does everyone need to know what your doing everyday? Does everyone need to see what new thing the kids did?
People are people. Some people are trying to be funny some people are nice and some people are just plain mean spirited and get off on any type of recognition or reaction.
Is there really any reason why Brooke needs to have an Instagram profile that’s not protected by privacy for only those people whom she loves who can monitor her day to day and enjoy her posts?
Wouldn’t it be easier on her considering she mentioned she was suicidal from what happened last year?
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I'm sure it probably generates revenue as an influencer would be the only reason to have it public you would think.
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Probably because she earns some money through advertising products on her social media. I know If I could make money for posting pictures of random clothes/items I sure as hell would.
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The guy who sent the message was a Tony.
Didn't we have a Tony on here once?
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Man social media is a cesspit. Geez the kid is lying in a hospital bed, give them a break
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Tony is adding fuel to the fire.
Clown.
Thats a personal attack against long time OER member big tone, is it?
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The guy who sent the message was a Tony.
Didn't we have a Tony on here once?
I'm a Tony but I can guarantee it wasn't me. Definately not a real Fluffy like post.
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Probably because she earns some money through advertising products on her social media. I know If I could make money for posting pictures of random clothes/items I sure as hell would.
Is it possible to turn off comments?
Maybe she shouldn’t ever read them
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Terrible and really poor game from our cap.
Didn’t give us that usual spark and lift that we almost take for granted and got beaten for most of the night.
Very disappointing.
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Badly needs the bye and a return to Melbourne... :shh
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I wonder if Cotch is trying to protect his hammies for the rest of the H/A season and not over-extend himself. I can only think of one or two times tonight he threw himself at the ball in the contest at a stoppage.
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Jonathan Brown said Cotch has got to lift the side as Richmond is in a rut at the moment. Said Cotch was trying too hard to stand up to opposition players and he needed to control his ego as he's giving away frees (Brown stipulated there's nothing wrong with having an ego as Voss as captain did too). Garry Lyon added that Cotch's output is down on previous years.
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Can thank his wife for ending his career
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signs have not been good for a fair while now, hate to criticise this bloke because hes one who has been great for us for a long time.
Unfortunately father time catches up with everyone and last night was about the worst ive seen the captain.
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Little doubt in my mind that he will step down as captain at the end of this year, and possibly retire. He owes us nothing and has been truly great, and it will be a very sad day when he makes that announcement. But everything, including his business interests outside footy, and his form and fitness, point to the end.
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Can thank his wife for ending his career
how?
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Here's Jonathan Brown's full comments about Cotchin:
‘Control your ego’: Tigers skipper Trent Cotchin cops it for ‘trying too hard’ in faceplant loss
Max Laughton
Fox Sports
June 26th, 2021
Trent Cotchin must “control his ego” and stop “trying too hard” after several contentious moments as his Tigers slumped to an awful loss to St Kilda, says Jonathan Brown.
The Richmond captain had 22 disposals, going at a poor 54.5 per cent efficiency, with three clearances in a horrendous team performance as his side kicked just two goals.
It marks a continued difficult campaign for Cotchin, who is averaging his lowest disposal count since 2009.
But Brisbane great Brown argued the Brownlow medallist also needed to show more leadership after getting involved in a couple of scuffles with the Saints, showing his frustration amid a difficult night.
“It’s his lowest-rated year since 2009, but I’m more worried about his impact on the game,” Brown said post-game on Fox Footy.
“It’s almost like he’s trying too hard. He should wear the frustration and think, I’m the captain, I’ve got to get us back into the game, but it’s got to be that controlled aggression.
“You can’t tip over, you’ve got to control your ego ... especially when your team’s back is to the wall.
“He’s got to be able to lead the players out of this hole they’re in at the moment.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2021-richmond-loss-to-st-kilda-trent-cotchin-control-your-ego-trying-too-hard-tigers-news-jonathan-brown-fox-footy/news-story/bed4263dd1654e09f8c49c3766bfede6
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Gez Cotch kicking very poor these days.
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signs have not been good for a fair while now, hate to criticise this bloke because hes one who has been great for us for a long time.
Unfortunately father time catches up with everyone and last night was about the worst ive seen the captain.
Have you forgotten 2015 elimination final?
9 disposals. :rollin
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Father Time has caught him and punched him in the face.
A shadow of the player he was.
Well done Cap you will always be our hero and thanks for the memories.
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Father Time has caught him and punched him in the face.
A shadow of the player he was.
Well done Cap you will always be our hero and thanks for the memories.
Yes looks like it's time
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Yeah until then can we get him away the stuff from the centre bounces - hide him in the forward pocket or something - and get RCD, Bolton, Pickett & Graham running through there......because Touk-Miller's just running through him... :shh
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Will always be our hero Cotch. I don't know if it's time but agree with having him at forward instead at CB cause we keep getting belted.
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Will always be our hero Cotch. I don't know if it's time but agree with having him at forward instead at CB cause we keep getting belted.
Yes needs to be removed from the middle. Not sure i would play him forward though as he can't kick over 30 meters. Where does he play to best help the team?
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It’s time for this legend to hang them up.
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Will always be our hero Cotch. I don't know if it's time but agree with having him at forward instead at CB cause we keep getting belted.
Yes needs to be removed from the middle. Not sure i would play him forward though as he can't kick over 30 meters. Where does he play to best help the team?
reserves as development coach. :shh
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The club has to keep Cotch is some role, as his playing role. Absolute legend of the club.
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Dimma's comments about Cotch post-game:
The triple premiership coach also defended his captain Cotchin, who had just 13 disposals against the Magpies, conceding he doesn’t suit the modern game in his current role.
“I’d love to manage him, to be honest,” Hardwick said.
“He’s a battering ram. He’s played like that for 15 years at the highest level. The game has changed, there’s no doubt about that. It is more uncontested marks, we’re seeing a lot of it at the moment.
“There’s not a lot of stoppage, contest-type things that are his strengths.
“We sort of have spoken about moving into a different position, but we need him to play midfield at the moment.”
But Hardwick said Cotchin’s ability to guide youngsters like Thomson Dow and Riley Collier-Dawkins was invaluable.
“People look at the stats sheet, but what Trent brings you can’t measure.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2021-richmond-loss-to-collingwood-damien-hardwick-press-conference-trent-cotchin-out-of-form-tigers-injuries/news-story/e5888bbb90ece23a33c0b9cbbeb30089) & The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/what-trent-brings-you-can-t-measure-hardwick-defends-cotchin-after-tiger-capitualtion-20210711-p588r7.html).
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Sadly his time has come quickly. We now have a body of work that shows he's too slow, can't kick any more and even his decision making is impacted by his lack of speed. He was a liability in the middle yesterday. He's had breaks (through injury) this year so shouldn't be tired and this season has not been able to run out games.
Thanks for the memories, thanks for your leadership and thanks for the legacy, time to sit in the stands with the rest of us and watch us regenerate.
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Unfortunately Dimma is right when he says the game doesn't suit players like Cotch anymore. The chip, chip, chip, uncontested style of play with few stoppages is the death of a contest animal like Cotchin! It has never been our style either & probably never will.
I would've loved to see Cotch turn into a gritty back pocket player who would lock down on an opponent & slowly destroy them, but I think it is too late for that now. The chipping uncontested game will always expose a player a player who is slow out of the blocks. Sides like Hawthorn & Collingwood love that style because they can exploit sides that rely on winning contests.
There's nothing new about the uncontested style of play, I hate it now just like I did in the 60's & 70's, its the style of a side who can't win a hard kick or take a contested mark!
It's S-Hocking 101 .... :-\
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Its probably too late to try him at HBF now.
Should have retired a victorious captain last year unfortunately.
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His legacy is still enormous for me even though 2021 isn’t bringing the joys of the 2020 season. I’ll always remember Cotchin as the silky 2012 Brownlow winner who redefined himself as a hard “I’m tackling Mumford come with boys” leader of this great club.
His Pep talk to Rance when he was getting tagged in the port game in 2017 has forever been burned in my brain and for me embodies how good of a captain he is.
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Balme says Cotchin is not done yet
Jon Pierik
The Age
July 13, 2021
Trent Cotchin will discuss his future with Richmond at the end of the season, but the club’s senior advisor Neil Balme says the Tigers want the three-time premiership captain to play on.
“There has been no suggestion that he won’t [go on],” Balme said of the 263-game veteran and 2012 Brownlow medallist.
“We are not suggesting that he should [retire], but everything is judged on its own at the end of the season.
“He will sit down at the end of the year and work out what he wants to do but we are keen for him to go on. We love what he is like around the place. He is almost a bit like Jack [Riewoldt] - an extra coach in a way to help out players, to point them in the right direction.”
The spotlight has been on Cotchin, with the three-time premiership skipper having struggled to have a consistent impact over the past month, including picking up only 12 disposals in the loss to West Coast and 13 against Collingwood on Sunday.
“He has been a bit sore. That’s inevitable. We have just got such a young midfield around him,” Balme said.
“A lot of the work he normally does, we are not taking advantage of it because it’s just the way it is. “That might be taking the pressure off him ... but he competes so hard, he does the hard work in and under, and he makes a lot of stuff happen.
“Sure, we would like him to play better and have more impact … but I think he is doing the right stuff. His leadership is wonderful in terms of showing the kids the way. We are not that fussed about it at this stage.”
Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale said the club could not afford to rest the skipper, given their long injury list.
“He is not at the level he would like to be and [coach] Damien [Hardwick] is right, we would like to manage him ideally but we simply can’t,” Gale said.
Cotchin, 31 and now in his 14th season, having been taken with pick No.2 behind Matthew Kreuzer in the 2007 national draft, is contracted until the end of next season.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/balme-says-cotchin-like-the-tiger-dynasty-is-not-done-yet-20210712-p588tq.html
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Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1414552294058770432
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Trent Cotchin urged to consider retirement
By Chris De Silva
Nine
13 July 2021
Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes has urged Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin to consider retiring, saying that it looks as if the fast-paced game has "passed [him] by".
Cotchin's form has become a hot topic with the reigning premiers currently sitting 12th on the ladder after suffering a fourth consecutive loss in Round 17.
The 31-year-old managed just 13 disposals in the 16-point loss to Collingwood, and is averaging just 18.8 touches per game, his lowest in a season with 20-minute quarters since his second year in 2009.
Cotchin is contracted through to the end of the 2022 season, but Cornes suggested that the 263-game veteran should consider hanging up the boots this year, despite leading the Tigers to a premiership just 12 months earlier.
"We're searching for places to hide him," he told Nine's Footy Classified.
"Sometimes the game just passes you by, everyone's career comes [to an end]. Look at the way he is playing.
"I don't know why it's too strong to say that at some point, at 31 with repeated soft-tissue injuries, [he is] not influencing games, the game is getting harder, interchanges are coming down, that the game passes you by. That's what I'm seeing from Trent."
Cornes' comments came after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick admitted that the Tigers had undertaken conversations around where the skipper could be best utilised due to a lower number of stoppages this season.
"I'd love to manage him, to be honest," he said.
"He's a battering ram. He's played like that for 15 years at the highest level. The game has changed, there's no doubt about that. It is more uncontested marks, we're seeing a lot of it at the moment.
"There's not a lot of stoppage, contest-type things that are his strengths.
"We sort of have spoken about moving into a different position, but we need him to play midfield at the moment."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/trent-cotchin-urged-to-consider-retiring-richmond-tigers-news-kane-cornes/e14fc4b4-3599-4b6c-8f37-9d7735927493
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Surprised Cotchin is contracted until the end of 2022 myself.
I hope he hangs them up but sticks around in some capacity.
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Cotchin is contracted through to the end of the 2022 season, but Cornes suggested that the 263-game veteran should consider hanging up the boots this year, despite leading the Tigers to a premiership just 12 months earlier.
"We're searching for places to hide him," he told Nine's Footy Classified.
Whats cornwit got to do with positional selection
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^^^ this is spot on. You’re not searching for anything except headlines Cornes.
No doubt Cotchin is struggling and I’ve been super critical of his impact in games this season, but our coaching staff isn’t doing him any favours playing him in centre square bounces these days.
Maybe it’s time for him to play as a permanent forward pocket, he’d make some small defenders look over their shoulder and compete when the ball hits the ground. Might not chase well but younger legs can do that.
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Surprised Cotchin is contracted until the end of 2022 myself.
I hope he hangs them up but sticks around in some capacity.
I'm not. He is 31. I don't think anyone quite expected the massive drop in performance so having a Brownlow medalist and premiership captain contracted until a season where he turns 32 isn't really mindboggling.
I hope he's carrying something because he deserves better than to go out this way
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Stopped reading that article above at the first 5 words. Too busy laughing @ the description Port Adelaide Great
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Stopped reading that article above at the first 5 words. Too busy laughing @ the description Port Adelaide Great
He’s an absolute flog of the highest order, but also without doubt a Port Adelaide great
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Trent Cotchin has ‘earned the right’ to call time when he wants, says Jonathan Brown
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
July 13th, 2021 11:39 am
Trent Cotchin has “earned the right” to retire when he wants, according to Lions legend Jonathan Brown, amid suggestions Richmond is “searching for places to hide him”.
And while the three-time premiership Richmond skipper is struggling to recapture his best form — and has come under fire for his off-ball antics — the Richmond skipper isn’t “losing the plot” on the field, according to Herald Sun chief football writer Mark Robinson.
With his side’s flag hopes in tatters and its finals chances fading with every loss, Cotchin’s form and playing future has come under sharp focus.
The Brownlow Medallist this season is averaging 18.8 disposals, 9.4 contested possessions and 3.6 clearances – all his lowest tallies since 2009.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick on Sunday said he’d “love to manage” Cotchin or move him to another position, but added the injury-ravaged Tigers needed their skipper to play in the midfield.
“He’s in a career slump … that just shows you what a champion and what a great player Trent Cotchin has been,” Robinson told AFL 360.
“Damien Hardwick spoke about ‘the game’s changed’ – I think he’s protecting his captain a little bit.
“Cotchin went to be a defensive midfielder and he had runners everywhere: (Kane) Lambert, (Dion) Prestia, (Dustin) Martin, Shane Edwards – they haven’t been playing. So he’s been thrust back into a freewheeling mid and it’s just not working.”
Cotchin in 2018 signed a contract extension that tied him to the Tigers until at least the end of 2022.
But Power premiership player Kane Cornes on Monday night suggested Cotchin was struggling to keep up with the pace and intensity of the modern game.
Asked if Cotchin should retire at season’s end, Cornes told Channel 9’s Footy Classified: “Yes.
“We’re searching for places to hide him.
“I don’t know why it’s too strong to say that at some point, at 31 with repeated soft-tissue injuries, not influencing games, the game’s getting harder, interchanges coming down, the game passes you by. That’s what I’m seeing from Trent at the moment.”
But Brown said Cotchin had “earned the right to decide when he finishes his career”.
“If he wants to continue playing next year, he’s earned that right and should go on play. I don’t think we should jump to conclusions too early,” Brown told Fox Footy.
Richmond football boss Neil Balme conceded Cotchin had “been a bit sore” of late, but said there’d been “no suggestion” from the captain he wouldn’t play on after this season.
“We are not suggesting that he should (retire), but everything is judged on its own at the end of the season,” Balme told The Age.
“He will sit down at the end of the year and work out what he wants to do but we are keen for him to go on. We love what he is like around the place. He is almost a bit like Jack (Riewoldt) — an extra coach in a way to help out players, to point them in the right direction.
“Sure, we would like him to play better and have more impact … but I think he is doing the right stuff. His leadership is wonderful in terms of showing the kids the way. We are not that fussed about it at this stage.”
Cotchin’s on-field demeanour has also been questioned during the Tigers’ recent losing streak. He was involved in several scuffles during the loss to St Kilda, prompting Brown to say, at the time, that Cotchin must “control his ego” and stop “trying too hard” to lead his team during off-ball niggle.
But Robinson said Cotchin’s actions were being misunderstood.
“Everyone’s talking about: ‘Should he go on? Should he be captain?’ He’s a pretty proud guy … he’s a street fighter when it comes to footy,” Robinson said.
“Everyone says ‘he’s losing the plot and he’d getting aggressive’ – no, that’s his competitiveness coming out in him. I think people are misreading that.
“But there’s a watch on Cotch, there’s a watch on Richmond, there’s watch on a lot of players at Richmond.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2021-trent-cotchin-richmond-contract-retirement-new-position-tigers-losing-streak/news-story/376a47ec2cc278cadfdd6b1d9bfbe0a4
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Surprised Cotchin is contracted until the end of 2022 myself.
I hope he hangs them up but sticks around in some capacity.
I'm not. He is 31. I don't think anyone quite expected the massive drop in performance so having a Brownlow medalist and premiership captain contracted until a season where he turns 32 isn't really mindboggling.
I hope he's carrying something because he deserves better than to go out this way
I said surprised, not mind boggled.
He has clearly been on the decline and struggling with soft tissue injuries the last 2-3 years. Shorter quarters and season in 2020 probably worked to his advantage.
In a situation like that you'd think a year-to-year contract is more ideal, sort of like Houli.
I want him to keep playing if his contribution is adequate. I'd hate to see him continue like he is and to be remembered for having played too long (amongst all the great things he's accomplished).
The two other examples for me are Grigg and Houli. Grigg called time quickly. Houli should not have played in the 2020 GF and should have retired after it. Even now he hasn't retired despite a likely season-ending ankle sprain. He has been poor and cost us some development opportunities with Mansell and maybe Stack. Different kettle of fish is Cotch and he has more right to decide for himself, but I still want him to retire before he is further off the cliff.
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FORM SLUMP OR END OF THE ROAD? LEPPITSCH ANALYSES TIGERS CAPTAIN COTCHIN
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
13 July 2021
In his 14th season with Richmond, there are signs creeping in that Trent Cotchin is beginning to slow down.
There are a number of things it could be - a lack of motivation after three flags in four seasons, years of combative footy catching up with him or simply just a form slump.
Cotchin, 31, had just 13 disposals in Sunday’s loss to Collingwood and is averaging below 19 touches per game in 2021.
Former Tigers assistant coach and three-time Brisbane flag winner Justin Leppitsch went through something similar to the triple premiership captain late in his own career.
Some believe Cotchin’s time has come while some believe he is in a chronic form slump that he will fight his way out of, but whatever it is, Leppitsch says it is understandable for the heart and soul Tiger to have feelings of contentment.
“It’s one of the two, isn’t it? It’s either just a form slump that he’ll get out of…,” he said on SEN’s Whateley.
“I guess (that’s) the big concern with anyone that’s filled their boots, so to speak, which Trent has. He’s been a premiership captain three times over the last four years.
“He’s done everything he probably wanted to achieve in the game. When that happens, I remember being there. I had a career-ending injury, but I had the option to fight it out and do the 12-month rehab. I went, ‘Nah, I’m done, I’m happy, I’m full’. You do get like that. I’m really happy with what my career had done.
“Only Trent knows if he’s having those thoughts, but they’re real. People actually have those thoughts, we all have them. We might go, ‘I want to leave and do another job. I’m tired of this right now’.
“He will be somewhere in that phase. It’s a really difficult job being captain of such a big footy club. The way he plays, he’s so combative and those type of players don’t last as long as your wiry types.
“There’s a possibility he might be thinking it’s enough, but only Trent would know.
“I don’t know. I haven’t spoken to Trent about it, but there is a chance.
“There’s probably more than just Trent on that list that might be thinking I’m happy, I’m done.
“Time will tell.”
Cotchin, who won the 2012 Brownlow Medal and has claimed three club best and fairests, has played 263 games for the Tigers and is contracted until the end of next season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/13/form-slump-or-end-of-the-road-leppitsch-analyses-tigers-captain-cotchin/
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Dimma today talking about Cotch:
* Trent Cotchin will play. What people don't realise is this guy has been a battering ram for 15 years of his career. There wouldn't be a harder player in the competition. Once again as I said, people are quick to jump on players. That's the Australian way at stages. This guy is an incredible player. Once again we're not a stats orientated footy club. We can have Trent having 35 disposals going backwards, sideways, etc ... but that's not how we play. He plays leading from the front and they way he goes about his actions. People will judge on him on his performance on the weekend. Yep, that's fine. Champions have bad days sometimes. But the reality is he is a very very good player in a very good side that isn't performing to level at this moment.
* He's had to play that role because our midfield has been undermanned really. He's in there at various stages on the weekend with RCD and Dow who have played 10 games between them. He's expected to lead but also teach and indicate at the same time. So it's a challenging aspect of his career at the moment with guys like Prestia, Lambert, Edwards and these types around him. Once again, he doesn't complain and he gets on with it and leads from the front.
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/978881/hardwick-previews-brisbane)
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WHY HAWKS CHAMPION SYMPATHISES WITH COTCHIN
By Alex Zaia
SEN
15 July 2021
Hawthorn champion Jordan Lewis sympathises with Richmond captain Trent Cotchin amid a “pile on” of criticism over his current form.
Cotchin’s struggles have coincided with the Tigers’ run of four straight defeats, with the 31-year-old midfielder averaging 16.5 disposals over the last month.
Last week’s loss to Collingwood saw Richmond drop to 12th on the ladder leaving their premiership defence hanging by a thread.
“I think at the moment, when you get to the back end of your career, and you play the type of footy that Trent individually plays, you’re so reliant on the team performing really well,” Lewis told SEN Breakfast.
“Because if you’re carrying an injury into the game and a lot of the parts of the team’s strengths are falling apart, you get exposed.
“The unfortunate thing I suppose for he and the Richmond Football Club at the moment is because they’ve got so many injuries, they don’t have the flexibility or the luxury to rest him, or they don’t have the wins on the board like they would in previous seasons to be able to rest players like that.
“I feel a little bit sorry for him in terms of the media scrutiny around his performance and Richmond’s performance at the moment.
“He’s had a bad six to seven weeks, that’s OK, he’s been a champion player for a long period of time, and I just think we’re too quick to jump on players that are down on form and maybe carrying a few injuries and the side’s down on form – everyone seems to pile on.
“I tend to feel sorry for him.”
The Brownlow Medallist and three-time premiership skipper is contracted to Richmond for another year.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/15/why-hawks-champion-sympathises-with-cotchin/
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A better night for the captain.
22 disposals (11k, 11h, 6c, 17u, 63.6% eff.)
4 marks
5 tackles
3 clearances (2 centre clearances)
2 inside 50s
3 intercepts
5 score involvements
230m gained
78% time on ground.
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Best game in a longggggg time
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Proved all the pathetic sympathy wielding know all’s wrong. Still has a bit left in him
I do know without him we are missing a cog in the machine which raises the question who would replace him if he retires .
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I think this game was a massive example of what we are still capable of, our consistency is just off which is absolutely fair enough with a banged up tired side going deep into nearly November last year still playing footy. 3/4 flags. I think mentally a lot a pretty cooked and need a long rest and without travel and getaways with restrictions hurts recovery in off season.
I think we'd be crazy to push Trent on, I think with a big restful break and a refresh on our depth, we can be really damaging in 2022, 2021 may be too hard a climb. Wonderful win and who knows but I think we still have best to come.
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Cotchin single handedly carried us to last year’s flag. It was him who stood up last year while our coach was working through his personal situation.
He is mentally cooked.
Given those circumstances, it’s perfectly ok to assume his having a down year.
I’m backing him in to come back in 2022 after a decent break.
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Yep. I look at blokes like the Selwood, S Mitchell. If those guys could still make an impact with their lack of speed, I can't understand why Cotch can't next year.
I'm tipping him to lift In dustys absence, which will carry into 2022.
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Cotch playing sore (he only played 69% of the match) and it's showing in his disposal efficiency. Lowest today at just 47.4%.
However, he won 4 out of our 7 centre clearances. So he needs help from others.
19 disposals (15k, 4h, 7c, 9u, 47.4% eff.)
5 marks
4 tackles
6 clearances (4 centre clearances)
4 inside 50s
369m gained
3 score involvements
1 goal
69% time on ground.
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Yep. I look at blokes like the Selwood, S Mitchell. If those guys could still make an impact with their lack of speed, I can't understand why Cotch can't next year.
I'm tipping him to lift In dustys absence, which will carry into 2022.
Selwood & Mitchell have never had to carry a shyte side and a crap midfield like Cotchin did for pretty much the entire first half of his career... :shh
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Very very poor showing from the cap. Uncharacteristic
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Very very poor showing from the cap. Uncharacteristic
Is it though? He’s been sub standard all year.
He gets 20 touches on a good day.
He’s a legend but he’s well past it.
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Needs a rest to recover but there’s no one else
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Think he has something to offer. I mean Selwood is slow as is de boer and they still impact.
How many years left on his contract? That's the important question.
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Think he has something to offer. I mean Selwood is slow as is de boer and they still impact.
How many years left on his contract? That's the important question.
1 to go
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Media were on Cotch’s case 5 weeks ago. Past month he’s averaged 24 disposals, 4 marks, 4 clearances, 4 tackles + 4 inside 50s. Looking forward to him leading from the front again tonight! #gotiges
https://twitter.com/stephtigers/status/1426059910899326978
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Trent Cotchin is showing that, despite being in the twilight of his magnificent AFL career, he can still find plenty of ball.
The inspirational 31-year-old, triple Richmond premiership captain racked up 30-plus disposals for the second time in three games, against Greater Western Sydney at Marvel Stadium last Friday night.
In trademark tough, tenacious, courageous style, he constantly threw his body into the fray, extracted the ball, and dished it out to teammates.
Cotchin finished the match with 31 disposals, a game-high 15 contested possessions, eight clearances, four inside-50s, five marks, five intercepts, six score involvements and 383 metres gained.
The last time Cotchin had 30 touches or more in a match, before that 32-disposal display against the Dockers, was in Round 1, 2019 v Carlton at the MCG (31 disposals).
Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1001606/cotchin-back-as-a-ball-magnet
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Trent Cotchin will miss Richmond's final game with a PCL injury
By Sarah Black
afl.com.au
16 August 2021
RICHMOND skipper Trent Cotchin has suffered a sprained PCL in his knee and will miss the final round of the season against Hawthorn.
Despite suffering the injury in the second quarter of the loss to GWS which practically ended Richmond's finals hopes, the 31-year-old was one of Tigers' best on a disappointing night.
Cotchin finished the game with 31 disposals, eight clearances and a game-high 15 contested possessions.
He is contracted next year and has been in good touch of late after a form dip, averaging 26 disposals and 5.5 clearances in his last month of footy.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/666208/gun-tiger-s-season-ends-early-with-knee-injury
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Got smashed front on in a dog move. Must be sore too
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Captain Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt will retire next year with the club bringing forward Houli’s retirement.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hawks-mcrae-leads-field-for-collingwood-coach-as-houli-laments-retirement/news-story/bd353f47c04102aae42811fcfcc1c511)
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Richmond CEO says Cotchin’s future is decided
“He’ll be there. There will be no question about that.”
By Jake Benoiton
zerohanger.com
September 6, 2021
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale has confirmed that skipper trent Cotchin will go around again in 2022.
Cotchin's future has been debated in public circles after the three-time premiership captain had a quiet season compared to his usual lofty standards. Add to that, the Tigers missing the finals all together, some were beginning to think it was time for a new chapter at Punt Road.
However, speaking on SEN, Gale confirmed that Cotchin would in fact play in 2022 and serve the final; year of his current contract.
"He'll be there. There will be no question about that," Gale stated.
"Funnily enough, if you actually get under the hood, his last three of four games were pretty good."
Gale pointed out Cotchin's interrupted 2021 campaign and said while the vertran didn't look to be moving at his best at times, there were valid reasons for the slump.
"The period before that he looked tired," said Gale.
TRENT COTCHIN
Midfield (Richmond)
2021 SEASON AVG
20.8 Disposals
3.4 Tackles
4 Clearances
"But his preparation was interrupted. He missed games mid-season, came back and tried to pick up the pace."
The Richmond CEO has lead the club to tremendous success and has been a pillar behind the Tigers dominance since 2017 said that the fact the Tigers had played so deep into September between 2017 and 2020 meant that players had essentially played an extra season over that time.
"He'll play next year. I heard someone say the other day that we had played the equivalent of a whole extra (home and away) season over the last four years (with finals included)," Gale said.
"That has to have an impact."
https://www.zerohanger.com/richmond-ceo-says-cotchins-future-is-decided-90047/
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Doesn’t seem to impact Geelong for the last dozen or so years…???
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They keep losing when it counts.
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Doesn’t seem to impact Geelong for the last dozen or so years…???
Exactly :thumbsup
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Doesn’t seem to impact Geelong for the last dozen or so years…???
Exactly :thumbsup
I’d gladly take our 3 flags over their 7 failed preliminary finals.
So would their supporters.
Perspective, it’s an interesting thing.
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Cotchin steps down as Captain
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1017044/cotchin-stands-down-as-richmond-captain/
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Cotchin steps down as Captain
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1017044/cotchin-stands-down-as-richmond-captain/
Could not have asked for more in his time as captain. Played as big a part as any in our success. Next skipper has enormous shoes to fill :clapping :bow
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Will go down as a legend of the club. Thanks many times to captain cotch !
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Cotchin steps down as Captain
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1017044/cotchin-stands-down-as-richmond-captain/
Again putting his Club first :clapping
Will be fascinating to see who is out next captain. Don't think it can be Jack R.
Needs to be someone young who will be in the role for an extended period
I was genuinely surprised when they said Cotch has been captain for 11 9 seasons
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Thanks Cotch
Hope you have a cracking last season next year
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I was genuinely surprised when they said Cotch has been captain for 11 seasons
Probably because he's only been captain for 9 seasons... :shh
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I was genuinely surprised when they said Cotch has been captain for 11 seasons
Probably because he's only captain for 9 seasons... :shh
Yes just read that
Lesson learned don't pay attention to Ch7
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"It has been an incredible privilege to captain this club but it feels the right time to step down from that role," Cotchin said.
"The club has built a really strong leadership culture over the past five years and we have some excellent leaders at Richmond that will flourish in the captaincy role.
"It's an awesome opportunity to continue our philosophy of pushing leadership deep through the organisation, and for me to continue to play a role both on-field and off-field."
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Coach Damien Hardwick said Cotchin would have a hands-on role to assist his successor.
"Trent will remain an incredibly important leader for this team in 2022, regardless of his title," Hardwick said.
"He prides himself on the development of our emerging leaders and he will undoubtedly remain committed to that and moving us back up the ladder next season."
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"Trent has been a magnificent captain of this club over a long period of time - we have been blessed to have someone of his character in the role," chief executive Brendon Gale said.
"He is such a selfless leader and this decision underlines that - he has always done what he thinks is best for the team.
"He will still be an enormously important part of our team moving forward and I know how driven he is to see this club bounce back in 2022.
"As a club you are always planning for these eventualities across the business. Succession planning has been a key element of our football leadership program and the Club will be well placed to make a decision on the next captain when that time comes."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/677081/three-time-flag-skipper-steps-down-as-tiger-king
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Totally selfless decision. Has been a brilliant captain. Truly inspirational player. Thank-you Cotch.
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Legend :bow
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So glad he has made this call.
adds to his legend status of this football club.
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RIEWOLDT EXPLAINS WHY THE TIMING IS RIGHT FOR COTCHIN TO RELINQUISH TIGERS CAPTAINCY
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
15 September 2021
Trent Cotchin announced his decision to step down as Richmond captain on Tuesday.
Cotchin, 31, bows out of the role as the club’s longest serving and most successful skipper having served for nine seasons including three premierships.
Vice-captain Jack Riewoldt was full of praise for the way Cotchin was at the head of a seismic shift in the culture and performance of the club after some lean years in his earlier days as skipper.
He also explains why the timing is right for Cotchin to move aside.
“It’s a long time as captain and can be credited with the shift of the whole football club, along with the coach Damien Hardwick,” Riewoldt said on Fox Footy.
“Arguably the greatest captain of Richmond of all-time, probably just behind Captain Blood Jack Dyer.
“Just did everything right. We don’t lose him as a player, he’s going to play on next year which is super exciting. The door opens for someone else to come in and fill what are really big shoes.
“The timing is great for the fact that there’s a few of the older crew who are going to be around for maybe one, two or three more years that can help the next person through, so it’s not going to be thrown to the wolves.
“We’ve got a lot of blokes to come in and pick up that role. I’m just excited to see who the boys think the next captain is going to be.”
Riewoldt says Cotchin had made the decision to step down recently before informing the playing group on Tuesday.
“He let the main group know today (Tuesday), but the more senior players have known for a week or so that was going to be the case,” he added.
“It’s a sad moment but also a big moment in terms of the step forward for our club. Whilst he’ll lose the captain logo next to his name, he’ll still lead from the front.
“It may free him to become a bit of a different leader in different areas of the football club which we’re excited about.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/14/riewoldt-explains-why-the-timing-is-right-for-cotchin-to-relinquish/
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Now that Jeep is no longer our sponsor why not get a matching his & hers Mercedes ;D.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screenshot_20211101-214237_twitter-jpg.1272351/)
https://www.instagram.com/stories/blkcotchin/2697240503629790094/?hl=en
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AFL flag fire reignited in Tigers' Cotchin
Shayne Hope
AAP
6 December 2021
The unusual experience of watching an AFL finals series from his couch has "reignited the fire" in Trent Cotchin before his 15th season at Richmond.
The Tigers' triple-premiership captain announced he would stand down from the leadership role in September, around the same time he witnessed Melbourne storm to a drought-breaking flag.
Cotchin went through the same experience in 2017 as the Tigers broke through for the first of three premierships in four years, before sliding to 12th last season.
"Watching finals this year was weird because I'm not a huge watcher of footy, but the finals series definitely was something that I tuned into," Cotchin said before returning to pre-season training at Punt Road on Monday.
"For me personally, the fire in the belly really reignited through that time and kick-started my off-season in a really positive way.
"Our young guys have been at it and really going great guns, so I'm really excited about what the pre-season is going to bring and also leading into round one next year."
Richmond struggled to cope with the weight of injuries last season, winning just two of their last 10 matches.
The poor run of results came as premiership stars Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia, Nick Vlastuin, Bachar Houli, Kane Lambert, Noah Balta and David Astbury all missed significant chunks of football.
But Cotchin is adamant the Tigers can get fit and fire again next year.
"If we reflect truly on last season, we probably weren't up to the standard," Cotchin said.
"If you look at the teams that ended up playing in the grand final, the quality of footy that they played throughout the whole season was brilliant.
"That's the level that we want to get back to."
Cotchin was Richmond's longest-serving captain but doesn't expect to have a huge say in who his successor will be.
The playing group will have some input via a vote early next year with Martin, Vlastuin, Jack Riewoldt, Dylan Grimes and Jack Graham all in the mix.
The handover will free Cotchin up to focus more on himself for the first time in a decade.
"I'm really excited about what it looks like for me personally, but also what it looks like for the footy club," he said.
"There's going to be someone else who takes up that role, or maybe a few people, I'm not sure exactly what path we'll take.
"But they'll have amazing support, whoever that might be, within the playing group but also across the football club."
On behalf of the club, Cotchin on Monday handed over a cheque for $212,093 to Richmond's charity partner the Alannah and Madeline Foundation.
https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/7539225/afl-flag-fire-reignited-in-tigers-cotchin/
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I tell you what,
The current wags obsession with sharing their "lives" is "'a net net" negative for both the coach the captain, and our club.
Completely unnecessary
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The players who have a point to prove in your AFL team
The Age
10 January 2022
The 2021 AFL season presented all manner of on-and-off-field challenges for players. As clubs return to pre-season training from Monday, football reporter Jon Pierik and Champion Data’s Louie Kebakovski run the rule over who will be keen to lift in your team.
Richmond
Trent Cotchin has ceded the captaincy after three premierships but still hopes to be an influential figure in the midfield. The Tigers will hope he can hit the scoreboard more often. Having booted 57 goals between 2014-2018, his goal kicking has dried up, managing just 11 over the past four seasons, including one and two, respectively, in the past two years.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-players-who-have-a-point-to-prove-in-your-afl-team-20211220-p59j0r.html
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Pffft yeah because he can hardly kick 40+ metres anymore.
Was always a suspect kick.
I'm sure Trent wants to help as much as he can but I highly doubt he's planning to find the posts more often as his means.
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RICHMOND VETERAN HAS “TRAINED THE HOUSE DOWN”
Seb Mottram
SEN
2 March 2022
Richmond’s Trent Cotchin may just be ready to rediscover his best form in 2022 after relinquishing the captaincy.
The three-time premiership skipper passed on the leadership to Dylan Grimes and Toby Nankervis for the upcoming season and now enters the new campaign under less pressure he’s experienced for several years.
Cotchin has little left to prove.
A trio of flags, three best and fairests and a Brownlow Medal are more than most will ever get out of the game, but the midfielder isn’t letting up in 2022.
“In terms of Trent, he’s had a wonderful pre-season and really just trained the house down to be honest,” Tim Livingstone, the club’s GM of football performance, told Sportsday.
“We expect him to play the same football that has made Trent such a champion player, so he’ll be around the midfield.”
Since peaking in 2012, Cotchin has gradually declined in average disposals, clearances and scoreboard impact.
However, fitting into a strong midfield featuring the likes of Dustin Martin and Dion Prestia, plus shedding a major responsibility, there’s hope the 31-year-old can return to the form that had him as one of the best midfielders in the league last decade.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/03/02/richmond-veteran-has-trained-the-house-down-youngster-to-provide-dynamic/
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Here we go haha
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Here we go haha
Thought of your post Andyy when Cotch suddenly sat out of a drill talking to Peter Burge. I was thinking "thanks for mozzing Cotch, Livingstone!" :laugh:. Thankfully, Cotch rejoined the group afterwards for the last drill and is all fine :thumbsup.
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I love the bloke but it's just a matter of time for his next hammy.
Prestia similarly fragile.
Shame but at least we have the flags!
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Richmond coach has high hopes for Trent Cotchin after ditching the captaincy
Dropping the captaincy could propel this AFL star to big things in 2022.
News.com.au
March 9, 2022
Stepping down as captain could be the key to Richmond star Trent Cotchin delivering a “very, very good year” in 2022, according to Tigers coach Damien Hardwick.
Cotchin, a triple premiership captain, stepped down from the captaincy at the end of last season after nine years in the role as Richmond missed the finals.
He finished his tenure as the longest-serving and most successful skipper in Tigerland history.
But Cotchin remains relatively young at just 31 – he turns 32 in April – and Hardwick believes the capacity to focus on just himself in the pre-season could help him bound into the season.
“He can just really concentrate on his own game. And I think when you get a little bit older it probably lends itself a little bit more to that. You’ve got to concentrate hard on getting your body right, week in, week out,” Hardwick told the Talking Tigers podcast.
“He’s had the best pre-season since I’ve been at the club.
“He’s done more work than he’s ever done before, he looks as fit as he’s ever been, so I’m expecting him to have a very, very good year.”
Cotchin returned to action in last week’s practice match against Hawthorn in Tasmania, having missed the previous week’s hitout against Geelong.
Hardwick said he saw all the best qualities from Cotchin, the sort that have propelled him to three club best and fairests and a Brownlow Medal.
“And we started to see that in the first half on the weekend (against Hawthorn in Devonport),” he said.
“He was very clean, physical, powerful – all the things we love about Trent as a player.”
Hardwick said Cotchin would still have “an enormous influence on our club” despite handing over the captaincy to Dylan Grimes and Toby Nankervis.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-richmond-coach-has-high-hopes-for-trent-cotchin-after-ditching-the-captaincy/news-story/37cb8102909d1b2549c544cd145e38d6
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Cotchin was prominent as the Tigers won contested ball by 18 and kicked nine goals from stoppage.
"He doesn't get the 30 possessions that some other midfielders do, but he uses his body like a battering ram ... he makes us better as a result," Hardwick said.
Source: AAP (https://au.sports.yahoo.com/tigers-repeat-mcg-pain-giants-072153973.html)
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Silly 50 but his second half was great. Still showed some excellent lateral movement
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Still life in the old Tiger yet...if he's managed properly.... :shh
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Thought it was hos best game in a long time
Obviously got stung by the criticism last week
Agree Dio, we will get more of that if they manage him properly
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As good as Cotch was last week, it's concerning how much we still depend on him having games like he did last week. He can't play midfield for 4 quarters anymore as he's lost a yard and he can't fully extend his legs when he kicks anymore. He had 23 possies but just 6 kicks and only 124 metres gained today. That's just 5m per disposal. We need others to take over the workload in the midfield and be that battering ram that Cotch has been but as we've seen in rounds 1 & 3 they aren't :help.
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Yeah spot on MT.
We also have to acknowledge that we are missing our two best mids plus Lambert. We don't have the depth to cover em. It's as simple as that. Cotch as 4th or 5th mid is OK but he can't be number 1 vs Steele Cripps Neale etc anymore.
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As good as Cotch was last week, it's concerning how much we still depend on him having games like he did last week. He can't play midfield for 4 quarters anymore as he's lost a yard and he can't fully extend his legs when he kicks anymore. He had 23 possies but just 6 kicks and only 124 metres gained today. That's just 5m per disposal. We need others to take over the workload in the midfield and be that battering ram that Cotch has been but as we've seen in rounds 1 & 3 they aren't :help.
Its as simple as he cannot do it week in week out. Time to start him on the bench and let RC-D strutt his stuff.
As for Edwards as much as i have grown to respect his game he is also shot and is probably stopping a kid getting valuable games.
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Father time has caught up with a few. Cotch, JR8, Edwards just to name 3. That Dusty isnt around has made it worse but its time to understand the era is over. We need to go to the draft and bring in kids and use free agency as best we can. Thats it really.
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Yeah spot on MT.
We also have to acknowledge that we are missing our two best mids plus Lambert. We don't have the depth to cover em. It's as simple as that. Cotch as 4th or 5th mid is OK but he can't be number 1 vs Steele Cripps Neale etc anymore.
The trouble with playing a fading old bloke as 4th 5th 6th midfield wheel is it denies a kid games and experience.
Its a bit of damned if you do damned if ya don't.
what stage we are at should determine what we do here. Imo there is no flag in the offing for us this year and it is time to prioritise youth over age.
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Still life in the old Tiger yet...if he's managed properly... :shh
Morgan Freeman voice over: He wasn't..... :shh
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Father time has caught up with a few. Cotch, JR8, Edwards just to name 3. That Dusty isnt around has made it worse but its time to understand the era is over. We need to go to the draft and bring in kids and use free agency as best we can. Thats it really.
Yep, it happens to all great teams.
Time to play the kids, get some good draft picks and find the next generation.
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I understand the case to play kids but I don’t agree with playing kids unless they earn it at vfl level banging the door down for the coaches to select them week in week out.
I don’t think removing standards and expectations the club has built our success on is a great idea and it then breeds poor culture within the club.
Raise the bar and demand excellence and don’t lower the standards required and players will have to prove themselves worthy especially the kids.
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I understand the case to play kids but I don’t agree with playing kids unless they earn it at vfl level banging the door down for the coaches to select them week in week out.
I don’t think removing standards and expectations the club has built our success on is a great idea and it then breeds poor culture within the club.
Raise the bar and demand excellence and don’t lower the standards required and players will have to prove themselves worthy especially the kids.
What so we should continue to play the duds that let us down every week in the seniors? Ross, Soldo, Aarts, Castagna, Cotchin, Edwards, Graham have all been putrid this year.
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If you just play kids without the protection of seniors it will kill confidence. They need to be managed
expect a few 10 goal plus thrashings if play too many kids at the same time
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If you just play kids without the protection of seniors it will kill confidence. They need to be managed
expect a few 10 goal plus thrashings if play too many kids at the same time
Cripps confidence seems to have held up ok and how many thrashings has he been on the end of?
It's the biggest cliche in footy to say young players are scarred from being played too early.
The best kids with the right attitude will always do well irrespective of the circumstances they are placed in.
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If you just play kids without the protection of seniors it will kill confidence. They need to be managed
expect a few 10 goal plus thrashings if play too many kids at the same time
A ten goal thrashing is not going to be any worse than we got from the Blues and Saints.
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just so you understand , it’s if you play just kids with no senior players it as issue and that’s what management means.
If you want to just play kids have a look at the reserves score on the weekend
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I understand the case to play kids but I don’t agree with playing kids unless they earn it at vfl level banging the door down for the coaches to select them week in week out.
I don’t think removing standards and expectations the club has built our success on is a great idea and it then breeds poor culture within the club.
Raise the bar and demand excellence and don’t lower the standards required and players will have to prove themselves worthy especially the kids.
What so we should continue to play the duds that let us down every week in the seniors? Ross, Soldo, Aarts, Castagna, Cotchin, Edwards, Graham have all been putrid this year.
Agree but you can’t just gift youngsters games that don’t perform to the required level in the VFL this results in bad culture
The oldies have the runs on the board so they have bled and proven their worth for the club and they can help the youngsters too.
Graham has also proven his value to this team many times
I agree that Aarts, Ross and Castagna are the outliers that should be replaced but if there’s no-one demanding selection in the vfl then it’s a major problem.
Looks to me as though we have let our recruiting and especially development slip since covid.
Sonsie and mansell looked the best on the weekend I’m not convinced by Martyn.
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Cotchin vs Bailey Smith contest on the wing?
Dimma: "It's what Trent does. You think of big moments in big moment and this was one of them where he just got the fingertip and then when on the ground got up and kept Smith out with strength which lead to an amazing goal. He can get more kicks, more handballs, etc but it's what he does with those touches and moments that define his career and that's why I am pleased with his game tonight."
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1100121/round-4-hardwick-post-match)
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Miracle man Cotchin helps wounded Tigers rediscover their roar
Jonathan Horn
The Guardian
Mon 11 Apr 2022
Just before half time of Saturday night’s game at the MCG, two very different footballers went toe-to-toe on the Members wing: Trent Cotchin, an articled clerk who plays a blue collar game, and Bailey Smith, who looks like he’s just stepped off a float at Royal Randwick.
With Cotchin right on his hammer, Smith spilled a chest mark. The 32-year-old Tiger, who recently relinquished the Richmond captaincy, has always excelled at ground ball scrimmages. On this occasion, he was better balanced, a bit cannier and that little bit more ferocious than his 21-year-old rival. Cotchin got the faintest of fingers on a stationary ball, which released Noah Balta, and it led to a Tom Lynch goal.
It’s the sort of action that doesn’t show up on stat sheets, and doesn’t garner Supercoach points. But it encapsulated a career, and the Richmond era. The Tigers were never going to lose after that.
In previous weeks, Richmond sleepwalked through the final quarters of games against Carlton and St Kilda. Six days earlier, on a ground they’ve always hated, against a side that often gives them trouble, they conceded ten goals in a row. Their best player was mourning his dad. Their co-captain was injured. A host of others were clearly not right. Their ‘suffocate and surge’ trademark was conspicuously absent. The Tigers were 3-1-9 from their previous 13 games. “I think the Dogs can end Richmond’s season this week,” Matthew Lloyd said.
The bookies wound them out to 2-1 outsiders. But Richmond would have fancied their chances. They always match up well against the Bulldogs. Jack Riewoldt and Dion Prestia slotted back in. The Dogs are undersized and far from convincing down back, and the loss of Alex Keath exacerbated that.
As always, the Dogs racked up the stats. They had five of the six leading possession winners on the ground, nine more inside 50s, and won the centre clearance count 16 to 7. But it meant nothing. It was moments like Cotchin’s, along with about a dozen chase down tackles, that decided this match.
The Tigers have never really made sense statistically. In 2017, they were amongst the lowest for disposals, and hit outs. They had the most clangers. The way they played didn’t really translate well to television.
But when you saw them live, you understood. When you saw the state of the opposition players as they keeled over on the bench, you knew. They’d bowl blokes over, thump the ball forward, and run in waves. It was exhausting to watch – and write about. God knows what it was like as a player opposing them, halfway through the last quarter of a big game, when your lead had been whittled down, and they were coming hard.
Last year, the Tigers were tired, cranky, sore and not very good. There was a new champion side up the road. Martin was no longer the Player of the Colony. Their game against Gold Coast at Docklands, in front of a handful of drunk teenagers, each apparently with their own drum kit, was depressing. Some Richmond supporters wrote about the end of the era like the death of a pet.
But others were reluctant to completely write them off. It’s like the press gallery journos who can sniff another Scott Morrison miracle. They’ve been stung before. In 2019, the Tigers were ninth after 14 rounds. So was Morrison. Both he and the Tigers had good timing. Both were indefatigable. Last year however, both were dire.
Whenever a great side goes through a rough trot, there’s a rush to frame it as ‘the end’. We’re into the twelfth year of Geelong’s supposed decline. Yet, like the Cats, Richmond present as a team that will stick around, that will nag away, that will reinvent itself on the run. No matter what trends emerge in the game, you suspect Cotchin’s little win on the wing will personify how they want to play.
In the next three weeks, Richmond travel to Adelaide and Perth, and square off against the best team in the country on ANZAC eve. Martin is still a chance to return. Prestia, so often their barometer, will get better by the week. Rioli has been reborn as a ferocious tackling, rebounding defender. The Tigers’ young kids are prone to brain fades, but are clearly going to be good footballers. They’re still piecing the puzzle together. They’re not ‘back’, but they’re far from cooked. They’re always dangerous, always compelling, and still very much in the mix.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/apr/11/miracle-man-cotchin-helps-wounded-tigers-rediscover-their-roar
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Would love to see him rested but im not sure that is possible atm.
Has done some good things every game and in every game at times has looked his age and struggled. One area he has been strong every game is winning contested ball for us and id say as poor as he has been at times he would be up there with clearances.
Reckon for now rather than resting him for whole games his actual game time has to be managed. Prestia back in the team should enable us to cater to this.
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Some in the media making a big deal about this saying Cotch should be fined.
No love lost between Cotchin and Walker...
Watch: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1515249553439567876
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‘Just a little bit there’: Tempers flare as veterans Taylor Walker, Trent Cotchin clash off-the-ball
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
April 16th, 2022 8:27 pm
Adelaide veteran Taylor Walker has lost his cool in his first game back at Adelaide Oval since his suspension for making a racist remark last year.
Tempers flared when Walker laid a heavy bump on former Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin right in front of the Tigers’ bench just minutes from three quarter time.
The impact sent Cotchin sprawling across the turf as the veteran duo’s legs then tangled.
But replays showed Cotchin appeared to lash out at Walker, before the star forward then retaliated.
“You reckon (Cotchin) pushed the foot up at all?” Fox Footy’s Jason Dunstall questioned.
“(Walker’s) just falling over wasn’t it? Oh, there it is.”
Commentator Garry Lyon said it was “hardly a kick” by Cotchin as his foot made contact with the leg of Walker.
“Just a little bit there,” Dunstall said.
“Just enough to upset Tex.”
Walker immediately lashed out once contact was made with his leg, grabbing the back of Cotchin’s jumper and pushing him into the turf.
No free kick was paid to either player.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/just-a-little-bit-there-tempers-flare-as-veterans-taylor-walker-trent-cotchin-clash-offtheball/news-story/127efe0dec23fb285eb7e62f009587a2
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Former captain Trent Cotchin wound back the clock to fashion his best performance of the season, matching Bolton with his craftiness in congestion either side of the main break.
Cotchin did earn the ire of an angry Walker in the third stanza, though. Walker appeared to receive an errant kick as he dragged Cotchin over the boundary line on the members’ wing and had some choice words to say to the sheepish Tiger veteran after the exchange.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/young-crows-on-the-rise-after-hard-fought-win-over-tigers-20220416-p5adxx.html)
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Sheepish? What does that make Walker--outspoken? :lol
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Fine at best.
Racist pig anyway.
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The media already have Cotch as guilty ::).
Tigers star’s dirty AFL act crosses the line
Trent Cotchin may have some explaining to do after footy fans accused him of kicking Taylor Walker during the Crows' win over Richmond on Saturday night.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-star-trent-cotchin-kicks-taylor-walker-in-boundary-line-skirmish/news-story/2635a7aeab85b0d97133e8508a14abfc
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It was a mighty strike would have felled a tree if it hit
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Should be suspended for not doing enough damage to the inbred dog.... :shh
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Fined.
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The Match Review Officer has completed their review of Saturday's game between Richmond and the Adelaide Crows.
Charge laid:
Trent Cotchin, Richmond, has been charged with Kicking Taylor Walker, Adelaide Crows, during the third quarter of the Round Five match between the Adelaide Crows and Richmond played at Adelaide Oval on Saturday April 16, 2022.
In summary, he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct, Low Impact, Body Contact.
The incident was classified as a $3000 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1105605/
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Kick a racist tax, downgraded to $0.
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Taylor Walker accuses Trent Cotchin of 'deliberate' kick in Crows win over Tigers
Marc Churches
Nine WWOS
19 April 2022
Asked whether Cotchin got away with a light punishment, Walker gave a blunt reply on Triple M radio.
"Especially when it's deliberate," Walker said.
"I tell you what, if the shoe was on the other foot I would have been missing the next month."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/taylor-walker-speaks-on-trent-cotchin-kick-fine-adelaide-richmond/bbd5b911-e84c-4b2c-bd1c-8daa4620ccf4
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It looked like he put his foot up to protect himself, if Walker wasn’t trying to jump on him there would not have been any contact .
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Stevie May got a fine for a clear and deliberate trip. Low impact dilutes these acts Tex, grab a bex and have a lie down mate….
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Stevie May got a fine for a clear and deliberate trip. Low impact dilutes these acts Tex, grab a bex and have a lie down mate….
Spot on. Wonder whether Tex will call out the thug on their team that broke Ralphsmith's ribs?
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Tex is a moron that would be in the top 3 for dumbest AFL players. Close call between Stringer, Tex and Jack Darling
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Sounds like old mate Tex has a bit of the old we are poo idiots, and lost the unlosable GF tears going on right now.
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I didn't think Tex spoke very much. Based off his 5.5 seconds GF speech in 2017.
Power Ranger R us.
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AFL “NOT HAPPY” WITH WALKER’S MRO CRITICISM
By Alex Zaia
SEN
19 April 2022
The AFL is reportedly unhappy with Adelaide forward Taylor Walker’s comments about the Match Review Officer and Richmond’s Trent Cotchin.
Walker suggested on Triple M on Tuesday that Cotchin’s “deliberate” kick at him during the third quarter of Saturday’s match at Adelaide Oval deserved more than a $2000 fine.
“Especially when it’s deliberate,” Walker said in response to a question about whether Cotchin’s stray leg deserved a bigger sanction.
“I tell you what, if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have been missing the next month.”
And now Sportsday co-host Sam McClure is reporting that the AFL is looking into Walker’s comments criticising the MRO.
“It’s my understanding that the AFL are not happy and are looking into those comments,” McClure said.
“He’s essentially questioning the integrity of the Match Review Officer. I think it’ll be stronger than a please explain.
“All I can tell you is that the AFL are not happy about it.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/04/19/afl-unhappy-with-walkers-mro-criticism/
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Would pee myself with giggles if he got suspended
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Since when did kicking an opponent not lead to suspension?
Peter Ryan
The Age
April 20, 2022
The wording of the match review panel decision that arrived via email on Sunday needed to be read twice to ensure it had not been misread.
A player had received a fine after the match review officer found he had intentionally kicked an opponent. There was no suspension, no tribunal appearance, merely a fine, reduced with an early plea from $3000 to $2000.
The charge as laid read simply:
Trent Cotchin, Richmond, has been charged with Kicking Taylor Walker, Adelaide Crows, during the third quarter of the Round Five match between the Adelaide Crows and Richmond played at Adelaide Oval on Saturday April 16, 2022.
In summary, he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct, Low Impact, Body Contact.
Now before you line up Cotchin, the intent of this column is not to put the boots into the Tigers’ veteran.
Since 2017 the triple premiership captain has established himself as a Richmond champion, tough, uncompromising and courageous as he led the Tigers to three flags.
He might be able to argue he was balancing himself rather than kicking if he had the chance to defend his action. He is not a dirty player and the decision has been made.
Nor is it relevant who was on the receiving end of his kick although Adelaide’s Taylor Walker was quite justified in making this statement, as he did on Triple M in Adelaide, on Tuesday: “I tell you what, if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have been missing the next month.”
Even allowing for the fact that if the shoe was on the other foot, he would have kicked his opponent with a sock, Walker (and perhaps Toby Greene, Brayden Maynard and Mitch Robinson to name the most obvious candidates) would, if not penalised more harshly than Cotchin, have been under more scrutiny in the court of public opinion if they had lashed out.
The point of this column is simply to ask: since when did kicking become a charge that only receives a fine rather than a suspension?
Since round five, 2022?
At no point has it been acceptable to kick in AFL/VFL history or any other competition throughout the country, and it should remain that way.
In fairness, Cotchin’s kick was not the sort of act that saw Collingwood’s Tony Francis suspended for six weeks in round one, 1990 when he stood over an opponent and kicked them as they lay on the ground.
But it was an act that could incite fury if it occurred in local football, with officials likely to send off the offending player.
I tell you what, if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have been missing the next month.
And it’s not worth even debating the severity of the kick given Cotchin was charged, as described, with intentionally kicking an opponent.
It did not look good. It was not good. And Walker’s reaction showed what he thought of what had happened.
Intentionally kicking a player needs to be a charge, once established, that commands a suspension from hereon. No ifs, buts, or maybes. The length of the suspension is the only variable.
Change the guidelines and kick kicking out of the game.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/since-when-did-kicking-an-opponent-not-lead-to-suspension-20220419-p5aejh.html
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Interesting question and the point of the article is a valid one. There’s no way Toby Greene gets away with doing that.
But Did he actually make contact?
If he did actually kick him then that’s a dog act even if it was against Walker. From memory I’m not sure he made contact though although the attempt to kick was sort of there. Can anyone put one of those short action memes so we can have another look?
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Contact but quite minor/negligible.
I think a fine is correct. If they gave him a weak for being an idiot I'd be OK with that too.
Tex's carrying on is pathetic and salty though.
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It looked to me he put the foot up to protect himself but did make a movement forward ( kicking action) which is why he got charged .
If walker was about to jump on me I would put my foot up
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Tom Browne said he interviewed Cotch about what Walker said and it will be shown on 7news tonight.
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Sad that this almost shot 32 year old is having to carry such a load.
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Stevie May swing his leg, kicked a Giants player and they fell over. It was a significantly more dangerous act given the motion.
Cotchin stuck his leg out.
If we are going to play the game, as this is a Tiger forum, let’s play it on our terms.
There’s absolutely nothing to see here. If anyone deserves scrutiny, it’s Stevie May
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The way I see it and I’ve always felt this way and everyone who played footy during the 80’s and 90’s when elbows to the back of the head were expected but kicking is a dog act that is just not acceptable on the footy field.
When I watched my son play all through his career also is that if any player kicked someone on a footy field it was a dog act and it would cause an all in from parents too.
It always was and always will be.
If that was Cotchin’s intention then that’s not on. It doesn’t matter if your name is Cotchin or Setanta Ó hAilpín.
I’m not saying it was a deliberate kick because only he would know but if it was then he’ll have to live with that.
From the look of footage more closely personally I don’t think it was a kick but it looked to me he was protecting himself against Tex doing something to him and his foot collected slightly. I don’t think it was an intentional kick.
That’s why the MRO judgment is strange and if Cotchin was serious that it wasn’t a kick he should dispute the fine and take it to the tribunal and clear his name.
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Cotch said as he rolled he was trying to protect himself.
Cotch added that Tex has a right to his opinion but he's got bigger things to worry about than a comment about an action that happened in last Saturday's game.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1516701416941060104
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Walker warned, but not sanctioned, for Cotchin kick comments
Peter Ryan
The Age
April 23, 2022
Adelaide forward Taylor Walker has narrowly escaped a sanction for questioning the match review officer’s decision to fine Trent Cotchin for kicking when he claimed he would have been likely to receive a greater penalty for the same action.
Walker was speaking on his regular spot on breakfast radio on Triple M with hosts Mark Ricciuto, a Crows’ board member, and Chris Dittmar, when they began discussing the round five incident that led to Cotchin being charged for kicking Walker.
He described Cotchin’s act as deliberate before going on to say: “I tell you what, if the shoe was on the other foot I would have been missing the next month.”
The AFL took a dim view of his comments which, although delivered in a light-hearted fashion, with the AFL contacting Adelaide CEO Tim Silvers to ensure the club understood Walker’s remark fell just short of a sanction.
The league provided The Age with a statement indicating the action taken:
“The AFL has spoken to Adelaide today and reminded the club and the player of their obligations in relation to the match review process.”
Cotchin had told Channel 7 he pushed his leg out as he fell on his back when the ball went out of bounds to protect himself although the AFL match review officer found his action intentional. He was fined as it was categorised as low-impact and body contact, which only incurs a financial sanction.
Walker has been in fine form in his two matches back after being suspended for six games at the end of last year as part of a raft of penalties for racially vilifying a player at a SANFL match in July 2021. He went through a conciliation process and apologised for his remark.
He has kicked nine goals and provided leadership inside the forward 50.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/taylor-walker-warned-but-not-sanctioned-for-cotchin-kick-comments-20220422-p5afia.html
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May have another season in him if he wants it. Great game today, break served him well.
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Agreed great game. Maybe giving up the captaincy has helped
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You don't lose your footy smarts as you get older. It was those little moments that were so crucial from Cotch today. His vision and execution in and out of traffic was brilliant. Just kept finding and hitting teammates out in space that set up goals. Even the goal he kicked himself was clever too. Didn't overkick the footy and slotted it home.
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Kane Cornes reckons Cotch has no influence on games anymore.
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Kane Cornes reckons Cotch has no influence on games anymore.
Wow.
He's said some.dumb crap over the years but this just tops it all.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick paid a glowing tribute to Cotchin during his post-match press conference.
“It was an unbelievable act, and it probably sums him up really. He was always going to go,” Hardwick said.
“People can look at kicks, marks and handballs, but you look at things like that, it’s what makes him the great player he is . . .
“It was a very solid hit. He did want to finish the game and contribute as well.”
Cotchin again was one of the Tigers’ best in last Friday night match, with a team-high 26 disposals, team-high 13 contested possessions, an equal team-high six clearances, four inside-50s, four tackles, two goal assists and seven score involvements.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1138888/cotchin-courage-personified
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Captain courageous
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Cotch is now in the top 6 in the comp. for centre clearances.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/stats/CentreClearancesR132022.png)
Source: AFL Record Round 13 2022.
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Yikes. Out for a least a week with a cracked clavicle (from the Jack Martin tackle). Tough hombre.
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Trent Cotchin, clavicle
"There was an incident near the goal square where Trent had to try and lay a tackle, and he ended up coming off quite sore through his clavicle, the bone through the chest. He's had some scans and it's showed he has a little crack in there which needs surgical repair and a plate put in there. So, he's having that done in the next day or so. He'll miss this week and we'll reassess beyond this week as to what that means. It's a little bit unfortunate, but we'll get him back as soon as we can."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1153630/pilot-medical-update-round-15-2022
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Oh man massive loss. His aggression on the contest has been a blessing this year. And even with the plate in, being so raw I doubt he’s able to put his head over the ball at the same ferocity.
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Collingwood legend Mick McGuane says the words NO Richmond fan wants to hear about Trent Cotchin: ‘We’re watching the last few months of his storied career’
By Dan Cancian
Daily Mail Australia
17:53 AEST, 26 June 2022
Collingwood legend Mick McGuane believes Trent Cotchin's AFL career is approaching the end of the road and has urged Richmond to move on from their star.
The former Tigers skipper won three premierships with Richmond in four years, before relinquishing the captaincy after eight seasons at the end of the 2021 season.
Cotchin turned 32 in April and is one of seven Tigers stalwarts on the wrong side of 30, along with Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt and Shane Edwards.
McGuane believes Cotchin is not quite the dominant player he once was and persisting with him could hinder the progression of some of the talented youngsters the Tigers have in their ranks.
'As a three-time premiership captain, Trent Cotchin is a revered person at Punt Rd and has still played some reasonable football this season,' he wrote in his column on the Herald Sun.
'However, it looks like we are watching the last few months of his decorated career.
'The Tigers need to move on and give some of their younger midfielders some more midfield minutes, with a large crop of players having been starved of opportunity in recent years.'
Cotchin has played 280 games for the Tigers since he was selected with the second overall pick of the 2007 national draft and was the Brownlow Medallist in 2012, earning his only All-Australian nomination in the same year.
A three-time Richmond's best-and-fairest, the star midfielder was an instrumental figure of the Tigers team that ended a 37-year drought-breaking premiership in 2017 and then triumphed again in 2019 and 2020.
Cotchin averages 21.7 disposals, 10.4. kicks and 2.7 marks per game this season, with all three figures below his career average.
McGuane added that while Martin and Riewoldt show no sign of slowing down with age, Edwards should also be phased out by the Tigers.
'Shane Edwards has fought back from a slow start to the season but it would also be right to call time on his illustrious career at almost 34 years of age,' he wrote.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10954059/Collingwood-legend-Mick-McGuane-says-words-NO-Richmond-fan-wants-hear-Trent-Cotchin.html
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Cotchin has been good this year.
Rather see him play on over Lambert.
Edwards can retire too.
Jack to play on because we have nothing else.
Dusty to play on because we owe him about $2.5mil over the next two years.
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Micky should focus on coaching Keilor we will make the right choices years end.
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Cotchin should be allowed to make the call on his future. I reckon he has earnt that
But I also hope he doesn't go a season too many.
Over the past few years we've seen some players go one season too long and it's been hard to watch them
Don't want that to happen to Trent
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He deserves a job as development coach for the youngsters coming through. Can teach them one on one how to be Richmond men playing the Richmond way.
The team would have players coming through that know what it takes to play in the Richmond jumper and the gym and club rooms would also be spotless clean. :rollin
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Out of all the vets, cotch is the one who has shown the strongest from to be going around next year so not sure what old mate mick is watching.
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Maybe unpopular opinion. But thought Cotch was good today. Had 24 and most contested possessions. Cotch plays next year if he wants too. Part of me wishes he doesn't mainly cause I don't think our window is open anymore and would love him to finish on top rather than finish the way Edwards is finishing.
The fact that our 32 yo who broke his collarbone 3 weeks ago was our best contested player says a bit about our intent today.
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Was good today
Agree an indictment on others that he showed more intent in hunting the ball and the conteet
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Up to him if he wants to play on. Would be a great mentor for someone like Sonsie.
One of our best today although I am too angry to think and vote clearly he'd be up there.
Also very clearly our best leader by a Flemington or two.
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I only watched the first half and I thought he and Tarrant were our best. But the way north we’re scoring with ease from stoppages is on our midfield so cotchin must put his hand up there.
If I were making the call based on performances this season only and pushing away all the great times the legends have given us, I would only give cotch the 1 year contract. Sheds, jack and lambo to ride off into the sunset.
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Out of all the vets, cotch is the one who has shown the strongest from to be going around next year so not sure what old mate mick is watching.
Well well well wonders will never cease. I agree. Not a bad return from a 32 year old coming off a colar bone.
What we need is a genuine big bodied hand on it first mid who can take a load off cotchin and Prestia.
We don't have the midfield depth or young mids coming thru to just get rid of Cotchin. Would be handy very handy even in a limited role if we could just find some help for him.
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Out of all the vets, cotch is the one who has shown the strongest from to be going around next year so not sure what old mate mick is watching.
Well well well wonders will never cease. I agree. Not a bad return from a 32 year old coming off a colar bone.
What we need is a genuine big bodied hand on it first mid who can take a load off cotchin and Prestia.
We don't have the midfield depth or young mids coming thru to just get rid of Cotchin. Would be handy very handy even in a limited role if we could just find some help for him.
Not even about not having other options. I genuinely think his performances this season easily warrant an extension if he so chooses to play on. If you see my comments in the Jack R thread, I wouldn’t be doing the same for him even with the lack of options we have.
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Cotchin should play on JR8 should retire.
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If any player deserved the 300 games this bloke does..
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If any player deserved the 300 games this bloke does..
Ain't that the truth. Should get close if he goes around once more.
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Cotchin should play on JR8 should retire.
Might be right - especially as Lambert seems gone. So, Riewoldt, Edwards & Lambert all go at the end of this year, it might be important for Cotch to eke out another year.
Not to mention all the talk about Dusty heading to Sydney.
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How many games is cotch on atm?
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How many games is cotch on atm?
This Friday, Cotch joins Richo on 282 games in yellow and black, equal 8th all time.
https://twitter.com/_tigertime/status/1548999971579445248
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How many games is cotch on atm?
This Friday, Cotch joins Richo on 282 games in yellow and black, equal 8th all time.
https://twitter.com/_tigertime/status/1548999971579445248
Some company. 2 All-timers right there :bow
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Should have retired with the captaincy.
Champion.
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Should have retired with the captaincy.
Champion.
Agreed. Pretty sure you and I have the same opinion on what happened here. :shh
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Was massive again today.
Most disposals I think. Changing how he plays again to benefit the team.
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Very few go as hard as he does. Still our spiritual leader
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Should have retired with the captaincy.
Champion.
Agreed. Pretty sure you and I have the same opinion on what happened here. :shh
haven't changed my opinion either. :shh
You look at Pendlebury, Selwood and despite playing softer games, is equally as important to them as what Cotch is to us. This bloke is all heart.
Just like the Burge strategy of 2022, this too was a big mistake allowing it to happen.
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Agree 100%.
However I wonder how much of it was him wanting to play with less pressure. I did read somewhere that he's enjoying not having the extra captaincy duties.
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Agree 100%.
However I wonder how much of it was him wanting to play with less pressure. I did read somewhere that he's enjoying not having the extra captaincy duties.
I think this is it. Don't buy the conspiracies myself
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Should have retired with the captaincy.
Champion.
Agreed. Pretty sure you and I have the same opinion on what happened here. :shh
haven't changed my opinion either. :shh
Do share
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They think cotchin gave up the captaincy because his relationship with Dimma broke down after he left his wife even though he remained captain last year after the news broke anyway.
He then uses Pendlebury and Selwood as examples of old players that have retained their captaincy as further evidence to support their claim even though there’s 10x the examples of older players relinquishing the captaincy for the last few years of their careers.
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They think cotchin gave up the captaincy because his relationship with Dimma broke down after he left his wife even though he remained captain last year after the news broke anyway.
He then uses Pendlebury and Selwood as examples of old players that have retained their captaincy as further evidence to support their claim even though there’s 10x the examples of older players relinquishing the captaincy for the last few years of their careers.
In fairness those are two separate points.
Pendlebury and Selwood continuing to play well as captains is not used as evidence to support the claim that Cotchin relinquished the captaincy (partly) because of Dimma's infidelity. It's more to say that similar results could have reasonably been expected from Cotchin remaining in the role.
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They think cotchin gave up the captaincy because his relationship with Dimma broke down after he left his wife even though he remained captain last year after the news broke anyway.
He then uses Pendlebury and Selwood as examples of old players that have retained their captaincy as further evidence to support their claim even though there’s 10x the examples of older players relinquishing the captaincy for the last few years of their careers.
In fairness those are two separate points.
Pendlebury and Selwood continuing to play well as captains is not used as evidence to support the claim that Cotchin relinquished the captaincy (partly) because of Dimma's infidelity. It's more to say that similar results could have reasonably been expected from Cotchin remaining in the role.
I mean it’s not impossible that his relationship with Dimma broke down and that played a role in him relinquishing the captaincy but isn’t it significantly more probable that he simply stepped down because he’s entering the last 1-2 seasons of his career like so many have done in the past. He’s talked about doing it in the past and after the shocker of a season that was 2021 he probably thought it was the right time to usher in a new era.
Hindsight is 20-20 and I don’t think I ever personally saw nank being the captain but I don’t think anyone can say they thought grimesy was a bad option to take over the reigns. It hasn’t really worked out to date, can it improve - only time will tell.
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They think cotchin gave up the captaincy because his relationship with Dimma broke down after he left his wife even though he remained captain last year after the news broke anyway.
He then uses Pendlebury and Selwood as examples of old players that have retained their captaincy as further evidence to support their claim even though there’s 10x the examples of older players relinquishing the captaincy for the last few years of their careers.
In fairness those are two separate points.
Pendlebury and Selwood continuing to play well as captains is not used as evidence to support the claim that Cotchin relinquished the captaincy (partly) because of Dimma's infidelity. It's more to say that similar results could have reasonably been expected from Cotchin remaining in the role.
I mean it’s not impossible that his relationship with Dimma broke down and that played a role in him relinquishing the captaincy but isn’t it significantly more probable that he simply stepped down because he’s entering the last 1-2 seasons of his career like so many have done in the past. He’s talked about doing it in the past and after the shocker of a season that was 2021 he probably thought it was the right time to usher in a new era.
Yeah, it's possible. We are working with incomplete information from the outside looking in, and if Cotchin had private reservations about Dimma's conduct he would never make it public, so we are speculating, yes.
By many accounts Brooke and Danielle were and are close. I suspect Brooke would have privately relayed to Cotchin that Dimma's conduct was something she wouldn't expect from Trent, and I doubt she was the only partner to relay such concerns. Family was a big part of the ethos of our club; it's hard to continue to stand up for that and stand up for honesty and vulnerability when the coach you thought you were tight with is sneaking into lockdown hotel rooms after hours having an affair. You'd feel less willing to represent that individual and less willing to lead a program that has had its integrity undermined. Given how family-oriented Cotch is, I imagine it would be a real slap in the face to his self-image and what he thought he had done and was doing at the club.
There are always many reasons why we do things that are known to us and unknown to us. No doubt Cotchin would have had voices in his head saying "is it time to give it away?" anyway, but Dimma's behaviour made it easy to listen to those voices and give it away. I suspect that those voices would have been acknowledged but ignored had Dimma continued to be the coach Cotch thought he was tight with. Humans are very adept at creating rationalizations for their behaviour, which is generally much simpler in its origin and partly unconscious. I reckon Cotch gave it away because of Dimma's affair and overlaid that decision with other rationalizations.
Just my take. Speculation as you say.
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Richmond's Trent Cotchin can also accept a $1000 fine for misconduct.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/811982/match-review-tiger-charged-with-rough-conduct-bailey-incident-explained-eagle-banned
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What misconduct?
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What misconduct?
Zorko hit Cotch in the back which we received a free kick downfield for but no idea what Cotch was sighted for :huh3.
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Trent Cotchin, Richmond, has been charged with Misconduct against Dayne Zorko, Brisbane Lions, during the first quarter of the Round 20 match between Richmond and the Brisbane Lions played at the MCG on Sunday 31 July, 2022.
In summary, the player can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Misconduct. The incident was classified as a $1500 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1187239/round-20-mro-result
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The money should go to the homeless and not the AFL coffers and we would see if they keep coming up with this crap
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Trent Cotchin challenged his misconduct charge from the Brisbane match via written submission at the AFL Tribunal last night.
The charge was dismissed.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1554714264367087617
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Trent Cotchin challenged his misconduct charge from the Brisbane match via written submission at the AFL Tribunal last night.
The charge was dismissed.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1554714264367087617
Shouldn't have been charged in the first place when Zorko wasn't ::).
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Cotch gets another year given the form he is in. Touchwood he also stays injury free :pray.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZekYYeaAAAbu-9?format=jpg&name=large)
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BOG tonight for me. Crashing the contests, winning the contested ball and clean when in open space.
Very good season - 1 X 12 month extension please.
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Yep - thought he was great :clapping
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Senfeckingsational
Spiritual leader. Although Nank was great tonight
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Was terrific this evening
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BOG
Without doubt
What an amazing effort to wind back the clock
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Might be in trouble for that tackle on wines.
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Might be in trouble for that tackle on wines.
Hmmmm yeah I was nervous when I saw it too but hopefully they let it go given wines was fine
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Might be in trouble for that tackle on wines.
No way. Executed the perfect tackle should be in a text book it was that good.
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Might be in trouble for that tackle on wines.
Kane Cornes and Riley Beveridge want to give Cotch a week for it ::).
Go to 2:50 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/815504/finals-hopeful-had-no-answers-tigers-beat-up-on-hometown-power
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Hmmm
This is tough one. I reckon he is in trouble because an arm was pinned in the tackle
A week? Not sure about that
Wines got up and played on, no issue. Not our fault he didn't play well ;D
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I have no issue with the tackle. Looked to be perfect and he didn't spin him with much force, actually he tackled with care for the player.
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Play on …
Corruption of Cotchin gets suspended for that!
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The head didn’t appear to make solid contact with the ground, so what would the report be based on
it seems Cornes has got some sort of obsession with potting Richmond players particularly after port loses to richmond
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Maybe a fine.
Sling action not required for suspension but I just don't think there was any malice in it and the impact wasn't too bad.
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“THE AFL HATE THAT”: IS COTCHIN IN MRO TROUBLE FOR SLING TACKLE?
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
7 August 2022
Richmond midfielder Trent Cotchin is set to come under MRO scrutiny for a dangerous tackle on Ollie Wines in Saturday’s win against Port Adelaide.
Early in the clash Wines was sent off the field for a concussion test after he was tackled by Cotchin, with the back of his head hitting the Adelaide Oval surface.
While Wines returned to the field after being cleared of concussion, Power great Kane Cornes believes Cotchin will receive a one-week suspension based on previous incidents and the optics of the sling tackle
“I think he’ll get a week,” Cornes said on Nine’s Sunday Footy Show.
“We’ve seen (Will) Hayes get two weeks (for a similar action), I know the player (Sam) Menegola was concussed and Ollie Wines was checked off, but the AFL hate that action.
“I understand that (Wines wasn’t concussed), but you can’t be slinging a player who’s got one arm into the ground and smashing their head on the ground.”
Although Wines wasn’t injured in the tackle, Cornes believes the AFL will send a message as the Port Adelaide star was defenceless with one of his arms pinned.
“We’ll see, I believe that’s one week,” Cornes said.
“It won’t be the worst thing for Trent Cotchin to have a week off.
“The AFL don’t want to see this when a player is defenceless, it doesn’t matter if it was intentional or not.”
Match Review Officer Michael Christian will assess Saturday’s Round 21 incidents on Sunday with any decision to be released later this evening by the AFL.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/07/the-afl-hate-that-is-cotchin-in-mro-trouble-for-sling-tackle/
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Cotch nothing to answer for and free to play.
Source: 7news.
:thumbsup
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Oliver Wines is a bull and to get him down being smaller you have to give it everything or else he just waltzes thru the tackle.
This is whats wrong with the game no intent no malice just a footy incident in fact a damn good effective tackle and people want to rub players out for it.
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Cotchin can play on in 2023
The former Richmond skipper has been in vintage touch of late, but is out of contract at the end of the season. A three-time premiership captain can probably write their own end to their career, but the form and hunger Cotchin has shown – particularly against Port Adelaide on Saturday night – should mean there are few qualms about going around again if he wants. Cotchin had 31 disposals, 19 pressure acts, 17 contested possessions and six tackles against the Power, and is now averaging 25.5 disposals in the month since returning from a broken collarbone. - Sarah Black
https://www.afl.com.au/news/812636/nine-things-we-learned-mid-season-bonus-sparks-unstoppable-pies
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
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#Cotch300 - 17 more to go
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
With Caddy, Lambert and hopefully Edwards moving on we should be able to target a decent mid
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Sux poo Cornehole u salty campaigner
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Cotch has achieved AFL life membership.
300 games combined (283* AFL, 15 preseason, 1 state of origin).
Source: AFL record.
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
I'm sure there was a kid named Tyler Sonsie in the midfield. Can't be right as you said we have no kids coming though. A few other debutants have shown signs this year also. Hardly "no kids"
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You have to take your blinkers off when you speak to Crawski - mainly because he leaves his on!
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Anyone that is wanting Cotchin to retire I reckon should be ashamed of themselves. He has earned the right to choose his time. I'm certain that should be the end of next year.
Play him as the sub every 2nd week if we must. Cotchin 300 is Icon status. I'd go as far as say our greatest of them all (Dusty may end up greater). 3 time premiership captain. Brownlow medalist, 300 games. That is once is a lifetime type player. Keep going Trent.
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
I'm sure there was a kid named Tyler Sonsie in the midfield. Can't be right as you said we have no kids coming though. A few other debutants have shown signs this year also. Hardly "no kids"
Well well well mr literal. Just for you we have few mids coming thru, is that good enough for you.
in fact atm you would say Sonsie is the only one and he has a fair way to go to get anywhere near Cotchins level.
In fact does not look like a Cotchin type ATM !!!of course.
Cmon tell me what other young mid is there. Ross lol. RC-D FMD he cannot get a game no matter how he performs and my money is on being cut or most likely he asks for a trade for a proper opportunity. Dow sheesh he too cannot demand a regular game or show consistent afl attributes.
The simple truth is those young mids who should be stepping up, that is been around for a little while now are showing nothing or have been just ordinary.
Ya know we might help ourselves if we actually drafted mids rather than small fwds and backs or flankers.
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If you just went of this guy’s posts, you’d think we’d finished dead last for the last 10 years :lol
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
I'm sure there was a kid named Tyler Sonsie in the midfield. Can't be right as you said we have no kids coming though. A few other debutants have shown signs this year also. Hardly "no kids"
Well well well mr literal. Just for you we have few mids coming thru, is that good enough for you.
in fact atm you would say Sonsie is the only one and he has a fair way to go to get anywhere near Cotchins level.
In fact does not look like a Cotchin type ATM !!!of course.
Cmon tell me what other young mid is there. Ross lol. RC-D FMD he cannot get a game no matter how he performs and my money is on being cut or most likely he asks for a trade for a proper opportunity. Dow sheesh he too cannot demand a regular game or show consistent afl attributes.
The simple truth is those young mids who should be stepping up, that is been around for a little while now are showing nothing or have been just ordinary.
Ya know we might help ourselves if we actually drafted mids rather than small fwds and backs or flankers.
No need for me to make any further comment as I am not the one making continued false or rediculas claims in my posts.
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Claw my feelings on the midfield situation is that we have persisted with guys like Edwards and Ross too long when we should have been playing RCD and Dow. Heck even Lambert was getting games despite being crippled and possibly damaging his body further. Both RCD and Dow are in good VFL form, whereas Edwards has been poor most of the year and Ross serviceable at best but not consistently.
I think we have more of a match day selection issue than a developing midfield issue.
Doesn't mean I don't think we need more mids. Just think we haven't persisted enough with these kids, maybe due to pride of the dynasty and whatnot.
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Great call Andy :clapping
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Another big big game from the champ!
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Cotch had 30 possies in just 70% gametime :o.
30 disposals (17k, 13h, 17c, 14u, 50% eff.)
4 marks
3 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
8 clearances (3 centre clearances)
9 inside 50s
1 intercept
401 metres gained
9 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
70% time on ground
Back to back 30+ disposal games for Cotch for the first time since 2017. Statistically this is his best season disposal-wise since then too.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/T/Trent_Cotchin.html
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All time Great of the club
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Talk about winding back the clock. Absolutely sensational
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God I love Cotch. Hard as nails since his debut. Completely changed our culture. Absolute tiger immortal.
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:bow
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#Cotch300 - 17 more to go
15 more to go.
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Sign of a champion ...
His first half thanks to a heavy tag was average but after half time he clearly decided to fight his way through it
Brilliant 2nd half
It is this sort of leadership, commitment that highlights why we need him to go on in 2023.
The Cubs getting taught by the best
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9. Trent Cotchin
The veteran had some big moments. Was at the first centre bounce, but set the tone with his excellent workrate forward of centre. Kicked a big team-lifting goal from outside 50 in the first quarter and set up a set-shot major for Tom Lynch with a sizzling field kick.
Foxsports rating: 6
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76
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Signed on for next season! Beautiful
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Cheers for that, AT :thumbsup
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2022/09/06/533abf18-645a-4750-8dbe-5232fe08b7be/DIG020_AFL-Re-Sign-graphics_Trent-Cotchin_Article-1-.png?width=952&height=592)
“I am really excited to be given this opportunity to continue to work with our younger Tigers across another pre-season and to hopefully play a bit of footy (with them) in the seniors next year,” Cotchin said.
“As you get closer to the end of your career, you don’t know when it is going to come but I feel as though I contributed from a football point of view relatively well for the majority of the season.”
Cotchin conceded he had at times believed season 2022 would be his last.
“The plan probably was not initially to go again, but I think that changed for a number of reasons; one my body and also that you are a long time retired, I had that nagging away in the back of my head,” he explained.
“Something that really came to fruition this year as well was the joy it brought my kids. Having that additional purpose of not just trying my best for me and for our team, but also playing and really enjoying the journey of AFL footy and the Richmond Tigers (with them).”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1215912/
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Legend! Touch wood gets to 300.
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I'm pumped! :clapping :gotigers
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Cotch's message to the Tiger Army:
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1567042163724419072
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“The plan probably was not initially to go again, but I think that changed for a number of reasons."
📹 @tcotchin9 talks about his decision to sign on for 2023.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1567073722141667331
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Great news - I wonder how much of a cut he took? I reckon he'd be on more than Jack but not by a huge amount. Maybe 350-400?
Regardless I hope he gets to 300 and am very glad his body held up so well this year despite so many blokes getting hammies and other soft tissues. I thought Cotch would surely go down for a long period at some point.
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Did anyone else see the Cotchin's house featured on the cover of House & Garden magazine with an article on the building of the house?
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Lol seems the club agrees with me. Prepared to probably sell the farm to get Taranto and Hopper what does that say about the Ross's, Dow's and Collier-Dawkins of the club.
A blind man can see the heavy reliance we have on Cotchin and Prestia still. Yet here we have posters refusing to acknowledge it and splitting hairs on how posts are worded. quite amusing really.
The only thing that is ridiculous is the inability of posters to be honest with themselves.
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Absolutely preposterous
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Leave it to claw to take 2 quality players wanting to come to Richmond as an opportunity to say I told you so.
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Absolutely preposterous
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
I'm sure there was a kid named Tyler Sonsie in the midfield. Can't be right as you said we have no kids coming though. A few other debutants have shown signs this year also. Hardly "no kids"
Well well well mr literal. Just for you we have few mids coming thru, is that good enough for you.
in fact atm you would say Sonsie is the only one and he has a fair way to go to get anywhere near Cotchins level.
In fact does not look like a Cotchin type ATM !!!of course.
Cmon tell me what other young mid is there. Ross lol. RC-D FMD he cannot get a game no matter how he performs and my money is on being cut or most likely he asks for a trade for a proper opportunity. Dow sheesh he too cannot demand a regular game or show consistent afl attributes.
The simple truth is those young mids who should be stepping up, that is been around for a little while now are showing nothing or have been just ordinary.
Ya know we might help ourselves if we actually drafted mids rather than small fwds and backs or flankers.
No need for me to make any further comment as I am not the one making continued false or rediculas claims in my posts.
Why is that mr literal ? you might have to admit and actually say we only have Sonsie a first yr player and that Ross Dow Martyn and RC-D have been underwhelming to date.
We can all see why we are going after Taranto and Hopper but noone wants to talk about. Should i say it? you bet ya. delusion remains alive and well with many long may it last.HHHaaarrrggghhh
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Do really think the club cares what you think so they can agree with you, that’s so funny
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Leave it to claw to take 2 quality players wanting to come to Richmond as an opportunity to say I told you so.
:lol
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
I'm sure there was a kid named Tyler Sonsie in the midfield. Can't be right as you said we have no kids coming though. A few other debutants have shown signs this year also. Hardly "no kids"
Well well well mr literal. Just for you we have few mids coming thru, is that good enough for you.
in fact atm you would say Sonsie is the only one and he has a fair way to go to get anywhere near Cotchins level.
In fact does not look like a Cotchin type ATM !!!of course.
Cmon tell me what other young mid is there. Ross lol. RC-D FMD he cannot get a game no matter how he performs and my money is on being cut or most likely he asks for a trade for a proper opportunity. Dow sheesh he too cannot demand a regular game or show consistent afl attributes.
The simple truth is those young mids who should be stepping up, that is been around for a little while now are showing nothing or have been just ordinary.
Ya know we might help ourselves if we actually drafted mids rather than small fwds and backs or flankers.
No need for me to make any further comment as I am not the one making continued false or rediculas claims in my posts.
Why is that mr literal ? you might have to admit and actually say we only have Sonsie a first yr player and that Ross Dow Martyn and RC-D have been underwhelming to date.
We can all see why we are going after Taranto and Hopper but noone wants to talk about. Should i say it? you bet ya. delusion remains alive and well with many long may it last.HHHaaarrrggghhh
To be fair Taranto and Hopper were picks 2 and 7 respectively.
We've not really had anything close to that these last five years bar '21 and I'm happy with Gibcus.
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
I'm sure there was a kid named Tyler Sonsie in the midfield. Can't be right as you said we have no kids coming though. A few other debutants have shown signs this year also. Hardly "no kids"
Well well well mr literal. Just for you we have few mids coming thru, is that good enough for you.
in fact atm you would say Sonsie is the only one and he has a fair way to go to get anywhere near Cotchins level.
In fact does not look like a Cotchin type ATM !!!of course.
Cmon tell me what other young mid is there. Ross lol. RC-D FMD he cannot get a game no matter how he performs and my money is on being cut or most likely he asks for a trade for a proper opportunity. Dow sheesh he too cannot demand a regular game or show consistent afl attributes.
The simple truth is those young mids who should be stepping up, that is been around for a little while now are showing nothing or have been just ordinary.
Ya know we might help ourselves if we actually drafted mids rather than small fwds and backs or flankers.
No need for me to make any further comment as I am not the one making continued false or rediculas claims in my posts.
Why is that mr literal ? you might have to admit and actually say we only have Sonsie a first yr player and that Ross Dow Martyn and RC-D have been underwhelming to date.
We can all see why we are going after Taranto and Hopper but noone wants to talk about. Should i say it? you bet ya. delusion remains alive and well with many long may it last.HHHaaarrrggghhh
Do you use audio text when posting? If so, the HHHaaarrrggghhh bit is the giveaway
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:lol
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Good point Andy
If you have late picks your less likely to get top shelf
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Just on this. We are in a world of pain when so much is relied upon on a 33 yo with no kids coming thru to take over his role.
Atm we want to hope his body can hold out and failing that find some real help in a similar role for him.
I'm sure there was a kid named Tyler Sonsie in the midfield. Can't be right as you said we have no kids coming though. A few other debutants have shown signs this year also. Hardly "no kids"
Well well well mr literal. Just for you we have few mids coming thru, is that good enough for you.
in fact atm you would say Sonsie is the only one and he has a fair way to go to get anywhere near Cotchins level.
In fact does not look like a Cotchin type ATM !!!of course.
Cmon tell me what other young mid is there. Ross lol. RC-D FMD he cannot get a game no matter how he performs and my money is on being cut or most likely he asks for a trade for a proper opportunity. Dow sheesh he too cannot demand a regular game or show consistent afl attributes.
The simple truth is those young mids who should be stepping up, that is been around for a little while now are showing nothing or have been just ordinary.
Ya know we might help ourselves if we actually drafted mids rather than small fwds and backs or flankers.
No need for me to make any further comment as I am not the one making continued false or rediculas claims in my posts.
Why is that mr literal ? you might have to admit and actually say we only have Sonsie a first yr player and that Ross Dow Martyn and RC-D have been underwhelming to date.
We can all see why we are going after Taranto and Hopper but noone wants to talk about. Should i say it? you bet ya. delusion remains alive and well with many long may it last.HHHaaarrrggghhh
As I said before I have no need to make further comment as I am not one making continued false or rediculas claims. I may be Mr literal as you claim but it's better than being Mr "consistently wrong", or " Mr look at me" , or " Mr Not a real Tiger" . You can take your pick or I'm sure I can come up with a few more titles if you don't like those. Oh just thought of a new one, Mr we are only going after 2 quality players because claw says we are crap and have no players coming though. It won't stick though because it's too long, pitty. Personally I'm happy (or delusional) with the steps our younger players took this year but It obvious you disagree. But this is the Trent Cochin thread and we are really getting off track. Glad he signed for another year, will need to be managed but was playing some good football even if it was a not as consistent as previous years.
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A certain 3-time premiership captain didn't make Lloyd's list :whistle.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdxpjFfaMAAytdN?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1575250363195981824
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Geez no Essendon bias there lol
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Yeah bemused to back to back premiership captain to only done a couple of times before.
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It’s Voss, Hodge and Cotchin. All the others don’t matter, Hodge and Cotchin were far and away the most selfless of leaders which is the single most important trait for a captain of 22 players to have
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Pendlebury, Selwood and Hird don't really belong on that list lol
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Pendlebury, Selwood and Hird don't really belong on that list lol
I would defs have Selwood in there. I know a lot of people don’t like him but he’s led Geelong brilliantly imo both on and off the field.
Hird I agree no business there. Cotch should be a lock - there’s only a handful of 3 time premiership captains in vfl/afl history let alone since the year 2000.
Final place is a bit harder to pick, maybe someone like Brett Kirk?
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Pendlebury, Selwood and Hird don't really belong on that list lol
I would defs have Selwood in there. I know a lot of people don’t like him but he’s led Geelong brilliantly imo both on and off the field.
Hird I agree no business there. Cotch should be a lock - there’s only a handful of 3 time premiership captains in vfl/afl history let alone since the year 2000.
Final place is a bit harder to pick, maybe someone like Brett Kirk?
Agree
Don’t get people saying Selwood doesn’t belong on the list
From all reports an amazing leader/captain .. and that’s long before all the retirement emotion etc
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Selwood hodge boss and Cotchin. Of course Selwood belongs there he is an absolute champion of the game, as much as it pains me to say. 5th place ? Could be any number of players.
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Pendlebury, Selwood and Hird don't really belong on that list lol
I would defs have Selwood in there. I know a lot of people don’t like him but he’s led Geelong brilliantly imo both on and off the field.
Hird I agree no business there. Cotch should be a lock - there’s only a handful of 3 time premiership captains in vfl/afl history let alone since the year 2000.
Final place is a bit harder to pick, maybe someone like Brett Kirk?
I misread the Lloyd post. Thought he said 'premiership captain'.
Going off regular club captains Selwood absolutely is up there. Hodge, Cotch, Voss also.
Dunno about Pendlebury. Honestly Gawn has been very good for the Dee's IMO.
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Trent should’ve stayed captain until retirement.
I’m not sure why he felt he needed to give it up because I don’t have any idea why he chose to step aside I’ll blame Mrs Cotchin.
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Probably just enjoying his footy with less pressure on his shoulders. He's still leading
But yeah sure, whack his Mrs because why not
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It’s called succession. He’s planned a year to help the transition - unlike Selwood and Pendles. Most likely not being capt has increased his football longevity and we get an extra year out of him.
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It’s called succession. He’s planned a year to help the transition - unlike Selwood and Pendles. Most likely not being capt has increased his football longevity and we get an extra year out of him.
👆 this
And perhaps, just maybe he beleived it was the right thing for the Club. Putting the club first
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So his decision had nothing to do with Mrs Cotchin?
I may be wrong but it seems you are all trying to say that Mrs Cotchin doesn’t play ANY role in her husbands life or decision making?
Are any of you married? Do you have wives?
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Ash Barty article from the weekend's HeraldSun where she talks about Cotch being like a big brother to her.
MY MATE TRENT THE TIGER
Ash Barty does not have a big brother, but there are times when Richmond AFL captain Trent Cotchin appears to fill this role in her life.
This much is clear from the pair’s close relationship, which extends not simply through the fact that Barty is a Richmond tragic, but because they both work closely with mindset coach Ben Crowe – a key member of Barty’s inner circle.
The athletes first met a decade ago, when Barty was based in Melbourne. They would run together, watch each other train, and she would go to Cotchin’s house for dinner with his wife Brooke and kids, she reveals in memoir My Dream Time. And the bond remains strong.
“Because he is an exceptional human being he has this sense of knowing when I need a mate, when I need a coffee or a text,” Barty told News Corp. “He has this incredible ability to uplift people and lead people and be funny and joke around and lighten things up.
“He has been so kind to me. It’s pretty amazing. As athletes we can share our journey.”
At key times in her career, Barty has found texts from Cotchin the perfect tonic, especially after her biggest disappointments.
“He tends to send messages that go like this: It was a tennis match. You lost. Get over it. No big deal. I love you, mate,” Barty writes in her book.
One example of Cotchin’s ability to send the right message at the right time came after Barty was shattered by a 2021 Australian Open quarterfinal loss to Karolina Muchova after winning the first set 6-1 a break up in the second set.
“Right now, I feel judged. She’s thrown it away. She’s screwed it up. She’s choked,” she writes. “Cotch knows how easy it is to hear those voices, so he replaces them with the affirmations he’s found in football.
“One of them is ‘You haven’t been buried, you’ve been planted’, but my favourite is his personal mantra: ‘Your greatest growth comes from your darkest times.’
“In this dark time, he sends me a long text, explaining how he was able to watch me play until late in the second set, when I was faltering. So he didn’t see the collapse, but he read about it later.”
“The text read: “Ash, I know nothing will really help, nor change anything, as you have all the answers, and you know it doesn’t change the incredible human you are and the impact you’re having on others.
“I’m proud of your continued growth! I’m grateful to watch and learn from you on how to be a special and authentic human being! Love you, mate! Chat to you soon.”
https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/tennis/ash-barty-book-extract-australian-tennis-great-reveals-how-she-overcame-body-image-struggle/news-story/5919bf0ab793fc9780a06d0138f0e9f3
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Sick part of me hopes that they have a love child just after he retired. A boy would be nice since he and Jack have a few girls already.
Would be great genes.
Or maybe Trent could introduce her to Dusty.
(Yes I know she's taken etc)
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Sick part of me hopes that they have a love child just after he retired. A boy would be nice since he and Jack have a few girls already.
Would be great genes.
Or maybe Trent could introduce her to Dusty.
(Yes I know she's taken etc)
Trent's 3rd one is a boy. He has 2 girls and a boy
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Sick part of me hopes that they have a love child just after he retired. A boy would be nice since he and Jack have a few girls already.
Would be great genes.
Or maybe Trent could introduce her to Dusty.
(Yes I know she's taken etc)
Trent's 3rd one is a boy. He has 2 girls and a boy
Yes I know. Want more boys
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Trent Cotchin has played exclusively as a forward in the last three Richmond match simulations.
Expect him to play inside 50 this year with Riewoldt, Lynch, Martin and Bolton
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1622145865560494080
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Tiger veteran Trent Cotchin is set for a new role in the twilight of his career. The triple-premiership captain is heading into the forward line and it's prompted a new nickname. @cleary_mitch#7AFL #7NEWS
Click on pic/link to watch:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/Cotch7newsreport05022023.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1622143249560535040)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1622143249560535040
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Not convinced that Cotch will or can play a forward role. He was never that damaging up forward at his peak, is a poor set shot and isn't a pressure forward. Maybe playing a tagging role on an attacking half back...and as a high half forward/extra mid.
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However, the move has led to scepticism from some corners: with 16 majors across his last five seasons, Cotchin has never been a renowned goalkicker, which polarising media commentator and former great Kane Cornes was only too quick to point out on Twitter.
He’s kicked 16 goals in the last 5 seasons…
https://twitter.com/kanecornes/status/1622151848793866240
https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/02/06/trent-coleman-tigers-flag-radical-2023-switch-up-for-triple-premiership-icon-but-kane-cornes-isnt-convinced/
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I think he will rotate through the middle as well as a running half forward( lambert role) , he is not really a goalsneak type like a Cumberland
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Not convinced that Cotch will or can play a forward role. He was never that damaging up forward at his peak, is a poor set shot and isn't a pressure forward. Maybe playing a tagging role on an attacking half back...and as a high half forward/extra mid.
Agree and also isn't a long kick either, would struggle to make 45m and I don't think he could kick 50 unless he had a good breeze behind him.
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/mediacommentary/KaneCornesCotchPlayingForwardComment06022023.png)
Kane Cornes is unsure about the move and questions whether Cotchin is even in the Tigers’ best 22 if not playing full-time midfield.
“If he’s not in the centre bounce, in the phone box where he does his best work ... when he’s diving on boots, when he’s tackling, winning clearance, pushing the ball forward - I don’t think, if he’s not playing that role, he’s in Richmond’s best 22,” Cornes said on SEN’s Sportsday on Monday night.
“He’s kicked 16 goals in the last five seasons, Trent Cotchin.
“I give it two weeks. I give the experiment two weeks.
“It’s like Geelong saying last year, ‘oh, we’re going to turn Joel Selwood into a forward’. It just wouldn’t work.
“It’s the toughest position to play, the athleticism required. It’s an unrealistic expectation for a player who’s gonna be 33 by Round 1 this year, with the injury issues that he’s had and the speed and dynamic nature of that role.”
Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy had more faith in Cotchin’s ability to adapt.
“It’ll be a multifaceted role. It’ll be a pressure role, I reckon,” Healy said.
“I could see him coming out of the goalsquare as a leading player. He’s been a very talented midfielder and we’ve seen a lot of talented midfielders go forward in the last few years of their career and do very well.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2023-richmond-preseason-news-trent-cotchin-trialled-as-a-forward-tigers-best-22-pushed-out-of-midfield-jacob-hopper-tim-taranto/news-story/1a5477f26bdce4e06c877bf86a41909b
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I actually agree with him.
He's not a forward or defender. I wouldn't want him on a wing running both ways all day either.
He's either midfield/negating or he's resting on the bench.
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I thank god we don’t have Kane Cornes or forum poster on the coaching staff (including myself). I also think he’ll struggle up forward but back club and player to prove us all wrong (again).
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Richmond champion and triple-premiership captain Trent Cotchin will be inducted as an AFL Life Member at the competition's Season Launch in March.
Cotchin qualified automatically for the top honour by reaching 300 games as either player or coach, including pre-season games and international rules contests.
The Brownlow Medallist has played 287 premiership matches for Richmond as well as 15 pre-season games and the 2020 State of Origin Match.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1267597/cotchin-set-for-afl-life-membership
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Not sure why you'd even contemplate changing his position in what will probably be his final season, especially after how good he was last year. If we were down by 3 points in a GF with a minute to go and there was a centre bounce, I'd still want Cotch right in there
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I actually think that they are just creating a rotational position for Cotch. Rather than just being in the middle or on the bench they have created a third option where he can position himself to ensure we don't use up all our interchanges unnecessarily.
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I actually think that they are just creating a rotational position for Cotch. Rather than just being in the middle or on the bench they have created a third option where he can position himself to ensure we don't use up all our interchanges unnecessarily.
Good point mate, makes sense
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No stranger: Why ‘Trent Coleman’ already fits Tigers’ forward mould
Trent Cotchin won’t reinvent the wheel as a forward. But he will replace a key cog.
Ed Carmine
zerohanger.com
February 8, 2023
Those in the know claim it is the toughest position to play. A spot on the ground that requires as much effort when holding the ball as without it.
It's the place on the ground where future midfielders cut their teeth. The place where Gary Ablett ascended from golden-haired boy to the close-shaven wizard opponents everywhere came to fear.
It's the line on which Dick Reynolds and Alex Jesaulenko cemented their immortality. It also acts as the section on the coach's whiteboard that Cameron Rayner and Archie Perkins are currently keen to flee.
Neither all the way forward or involved in centre stoppages, the role of a modern half-forward is both here and there. Asked to lock down and facilitate; create and confiscate, these conduits from the coalface often earn plenty of scrutiny and very little thanks.
It's no task for the faint of heart. One that requires a finely-tuned game sense, lion-hearted sacrifice and battle-hardened resilience. One best served by a reliable pillar rather than an overawed teen.
Ahead of his 16th season at Tigerland, Trent Cotchin has seen his magnet moved, with the triple premiership-winning skipper now set to call the forward 50 home instead of the centre square.
While innocuous enough in the wider scope of Richmond's off-season, the 32-year-old's change of scenery has already seen him earn the nickname Trent Coleman from teammates, as well as the chagrin of the game's leading instigator.
“If he's not in the centre bounce, in the phone box where he does his best work – when he's diving on boots, when he's tackling, winning clearance, pushing the ball forward – I don't think, if he's not playing that role, he's in Richmond's best 22,” Kane Cornes proclaimed this week on SEN radio waves.
“He's kicked 16 goals in the last five seasons, Trent Cotchin. I give it two weeks. I give the experiment two weeks."
Though never noted for his ability to sit on fences, Cornes' death knell appears off-base, as there remains a clear role for Cotchin to play in Richmond's attack; a highly-specified, now vacant, job that the Brownlow medallist saw performed with aplomb for over a decade.
For the better part of sixteen seasons, Shane Edwards provided a dependable steel and a lucrative avenue to the Tigers, capping his days at Punt Road after 189 goals from 303 games.
The fifth Tiger to enter Richmond's 300-club, Edwards appears set to be joined in this esteemed class by Cotchin later this year. That is if the former captain can hold his spot for more than a fortnight.
Drafted 12 months apart, Cotchin and Edwards sat side-by-side in the backseat as the club skidded and skirted through the latter years of the Terry Wallace era. Promoted throughout the Hardwick administration, the pair continued their parallel rides, tasting September success thrice over before parting ways after last season's elimination final loss to Brisbane.
While spending much of the 2013-15 period alongside one another in midfield, Edwards transitioned back to his post forward of the ball in 2016; a position he announced himself in during the 2012 season, averaging nigh-on a goal-and-a-half and more than 17 touches each week.
2012 also saw Cotchin reach his career peak, turning in a Brownlow-winning campaign, built off the back of 27.6 disposals and 5.1 clearances throughout his 22 appearances.
Intriguingly, the third season of Hardwick's reign also acted as the skipper-in-waiting's most lethal in terms of scoring, with Cotchin producing 37 scoring shots, 21 of which resulted in goals.
Wind the clock forward - past the silverware and a brief stint off half-back - and Edward's final season in yellow and black now acts as Cotchin's benchmark for what looms as his own swansong as a Tiger.
Though far from Richmond's main line to goal, Edwards produced 15 goals for the year at an average of 0.68 - a minor, but not meaningless, spike from his career mean of 0.62.
However, it was the South Australian's assistance numbers that acted as his calling card, with Edwards producing 19 for the season at an average of 0.86 per game.
Though fractional, this total saw the retiree sit 13th in the league rankings last season and top of the pops at Tigerland. Refocus the lens, and Edwards' average may have ranked him as the 17th most prolific in the competition, but it also saw him slide back to third at clubland.
Richmond's leader in this regard?
Take three guesses who.
Although classified as the Tigers' second-most potent clearance player behind Dion Prestia, Trent Cotchin - or should I say Trent Coleman - led his side for average goal assists last season, with his marker of 0.95 each week seeing him sit 11th in league rankings.
So, while Cornes' grievance with the new-found forward's scoring output may hold weight, the tagger-turned-talkback host's sights are also far too fixed on the end of each chain.
With five goals in 2022, the acid will be on the three-time Jack Dyer medallist to improve when facing the sticks. But with a unit around him that produced 334 goals last year, bags of Jack Titus proportions are hardly necessary.
It's horses for courses, or in this instance, Tigs for gigs.
In the simplest of terms, Richmond's most recent golden era has been built on chaos and pressure; measurable qualities that are still prized at Punt Road. For the most part, Cotchin has been the face of the brand, both on the podium and on the park.
Although the rigours of a half-forward role have made minced meat of many in the past, the clean-cut veteran with the hard nose has what it takes to tackle things. He has, after all, tackled everything else en route.
Well into his second decade of league life, Cotchin still loves "diving on boots", a view bolstered by the decorated leader's 54 tackles and 35 one-percenters from 19 starts last season.
These are the figures that will act as the key to his new role, not his showing on the scoreboard. And while he may require some redirection come the opening bounce of the season, the head down, bum up operator is primed to translate his wares from the "phone box" to the forward 50 given the bar's current height.
Last season, Edwards laid a total of seven tackles inside 50 from his 22 appearances, a marker that saw him ranked as Richmond's equal 11th-best in the area.
Right beside the retired Tiger with a shared average of 0.32 per game?
Take another three guesses.
With six of his own tackles within the forward arc, completed in three fewer appearances and 63 per cent more time spent in midfield, Cotchin has already proven he can get the job done ahead of the ball, a fact that has earned little credence away from Tigerland.
For all their similarities and shared experiences moulding Richmond from milquetoast to menacing, Cotchin and Edwards remain different players and people. Few will deny the former is the finer player. A talent that, despite age, holds the ability to decode what has become a young man's role.
While hamstring and shoulder complaints capped Cotchin's 2022 season at 19 games, the veteran was still able to spend 76.8 per cent of these appearances on the ground - a base that should spike this season and let him swerve the dreaded sub's vest.
But what else can be expected of Cotchin in 2023?
No matter the esteem in which he is held at Punt Road, success is no fait accompli, with his 33rd birthday on the horizon and no deal beyond the end of the year.
Given the lack of time up his sleeve, Cotchin's post will be seen as a transitional one. A short-term move aimed at flying one more flag above the Dyer Stand before the sun sets further down Brunton Avenue.
Without any long-term security, the future Hall of Famer will be required to sharpen his wits and grow eyes in the back of his head, as if the rollout doesn't roll smoothly, the Tigers' offence won't be hamstrung. They have plenty of depth in this area, with the likes of Jason Castagna, Judson Clarke, Noah Cumberland, Maurice Rioli and Tyler Sonsie all vying to buttress Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt.
Still, for a finely-tuned, lion-hearted and battle-hardened competitor like Cotchin, this is just fuel for the fire; a challenge that will be met head-on before the last rays of his days in boots fade from view.
After poking the bear, or the Tiger Army, earlier this week, Cornes' callboard is sure to have lit up like late December, with Richmond's monolithic membership base all pelting their shrapnel in.
But for a consistent campaigner like Cotchin, one that has always let his actions do the talking, it's tough to imagine that his credits built up over 15 years will expire after one rough fortnight.
It's even tougher to imagine that the change of scenery will rankle him, not when the blueprint for forward success was drawn under his watch.
https://www.zerohanger.com/no-stranger-why-trent-coleman-already-fits-tigers-forward-mould-richmond-afl-shane-edwards-132744/
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/KaneCornesCotchinTanDare08022023.png)
https://twitter.com/kanecornes/status/1623221454212055040
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I hope the side makes it possible for Trent to kick 25. I would love to throw eggs at this poo stain as he runs those laps.
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Isolate him in the forward line when we play a bottom 4 side. Easy 5+ goals per game.
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BFD, moron ran from Adelaide a 6 months ago , I’d be more impressed if he fronted up to the grog squad
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Heading into his 16th and possibly last AFL season, Trent Cotchin has revealed the selfless motivating factor driving Richmond's aging stars. In an exclusive interview with 7NEWS, the veteran Tiger also discussed his surprising on-field switch.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1623953541244268545
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AFL pre-season Burning Questions
Ben Cotton, David Zita and Max Laughton
Fox Sports
February 21st, 2023
RICHMOND
If Trent Cotchin’s not in the midfield, where is he playing?
The additions of Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper means Richmond’s midfield will look vastly different in 2023, and alongside Dion Prestia, you sense will take up the majority of the on-ball minutes.
It likely forces Trent Cotchin out of the midfield, with the former skipper training with the forwards during recent match simulation where he’s seemingly set to predominantly play in 2023.
The Tigers will get their first chance to trial the Cotchin forward experiment in the practice hit-outs, and in a season where Damien Hardwick’s side is being touted as a flag fancy, it won’t be mucking around with players in different positions just for fun.
But given Cotchin has made his name as a pure midfield extractor, many wonder whether he’s fit for this new role.
“He’s kicked 16 goals in the last five seasons, Trent Cotchin. I give it two weeks,” Kane Cornes said on SEN earlier this month.
“It’s like Geelong saying last year, ‘oh, we’re going to turn Joel Selwood into a forward’. It just wouldn’t work.
“It’s the toughest position to play, the athleticism required. It’s an unrealistic expectation for a player who’s gonna be 33 by Round 1 this year, with the injury issues that he’s had and the speed and dynamic nature of that role.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-preseason-2023-every-clubs-burning-question-selection-dilemmas-injuries-recruits-ins-and-outs-team-news-latest/news-story/f4ba19cc06109bef641f7a9033021269
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I hope the side makes it possible for Trent to kick 25. I would love to throw eggs at this poo stain as he runs those laps.
Just ignore him. It’s irrelevant.
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Be funny if the team was toweling up a bottom 4 side and gave it to Cotch so he could kick 10 haha
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Cornes is right for once.
My angle all off season has been to ask who is the better forward option, Cotchin or pure forwards Cumberland, Rioli, Clarke and mid/fwds Bolton, Martin and Taranto. Only a fool would say he is a better option than any of them. Another youngster we could get games into as a fwd is Sonsie as well.
If we play him fwd it means we dont play blokes like Cumberland and Rioli or even Clarke or Sonsie who is a very good and classy fwd. It would also limit our ability to play Ben Miller or Balta as a third tall. Yes i still believe we need to get games into someone in the third tall role in case we lose one of JR or TL. A LITTLE BIT OF FUTURE PLANNING HERE. We cannot play em all in the fwd half.
Literally he would be taking games off very good kids who are actually better fwd options. One or two or three would miss out.
Just manage him at age 33 from the bench. much like Geelong did with Selwood. Id hope they do similar with Dusty and Dion.
Creating new roles for aging favorites when we already have youngsters in them is detrimental to development.
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Cotchin will be a mid who rests in the fwd line, what’s the big deal here?
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Cotchin will be a mid who rests in the fwd line, what’s the big deal here?
Exactly
Jack Riewoldt has created a headline via a tongue in cheek comment and now the media are just getting mileage out of it
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The MRO may look at a brief wrestle between Trent Cotchin and James Harmes, with the former Richmond captain pinning the Dee on the deck by placing his forearm on his upper chest/neck.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/879354/dees-tall-duo-sets-up-big-win-another-injury-worry-for-star-tiger)
Does Cotch have anything to worry about from the MRO?
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Cotchin will be a mid who rests in the fwd line, what’s the big deal here?
Exactly
Jack Riewoldt has created a headline via a tongue in cheek comment and now the media are just getting mileage out of it
Starting to think we were wrong on this.
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His no forward fullstop and under no circumstances he should take Cumberland place either in the guts off the bench, or nothing.
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The MRO may look at a brief wrestle between Trent Cotchin and James Harmes, with the former Richmond captain pinning the Dee on the deck by placing his forearm on his upper chest/neck.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/879354/dees-tall-duo-sets-up-big-win-another-injury-worry-for-star-tiger)
Does Cotch have anything to worry about from the MRO?
Reckon he will cop a fine
But he really needs to get this out of his game. He seems to get sucked in very easily these days
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The MRO may look at a brief wrestle between Trent Cotchin and James Harmes, with the former Richmond captain pinning the Dee on the deck by placing his forearm on his upper chest/neck.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/879354/dees-tall-duo-sets-up-big-win-another-injury-worry-for-star-tiger)
Does Cotch have anything to worry about from the MRO?
Reck9n he will cop a fine
But he really needs to get this out of his game. He seems to get sacked in very easily these days
Agreed and Harmes is a serial pest so he should know it's coming.
I think that frustration you see late in a career is when a bloke is due to retire tbh.
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Love Cotchin but he has gone 1 year too many IMO
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Just a practice match , to try new things out. He might be better suited as a rotating mid imo because he is not a natural forward opportunist and lacks the lighting burst speed that is needed for tackling pressure as a smaller but will be needed to in a long season to give others a chip out as he been as exception inside mid
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Here's the vision of the incident: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1631915441777160192
Close up: https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1631934697168314369
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Free kick is enough fmd.
Cue all the haters, wah Cotchin is a grub remember when he KOd Shiel a quarter before he felt off?
Eye roll
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Cotch the fwd equalles Chump.
What the hell are we doing taking games away from young players to allow a mid in this case to play.
You know what lets just totally forget about getting games into kids after all we got Hopper and Taranto.
Getting Taranto and Hopper can be good thing for us but only if we play kids around them.
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Cotch the fwd equalles Chump.
What the hell are we doing taking games away from young players to allow a mid in this case to play.
You know what lets just totally forget about getting games into kids after all we got Hopper and Taranto.
Getting Taranto and Hopper can be good thing for us but only if we play kids around them.
13 games to 300 games. And that will be it for him
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Cotchin is a great defensive midfielder but no longer has the endurance to play out a full game (or season) at the same intensity. I'm hoping that the time he has spent forward over the preseason is in preparation for the possible additional time he will spend there as part of the rotating midfield. I would imagine his split would be 40/40/20 (Forward/Mid/Bench). Cotch has struggled up forward in the past so perhaps educating him and teaching him better forward craft is the preseason goal.
If his split is more weighted toward the forward line at the expense of a player such as Cumberland, I think that is a mistake. Resting midfielders will never give you the same output as a forward because...well...they're resting! They don't have the natural forward capability but more importantly, the remaining energy to provide the pressure and offensive targets we need in the F50, after already blowing themselves up playing in the midfield.
I feel we can afford to have perhaps one resting midfielder and a ruck but if you have close to half the forward line 'resting', we will struggle to score and lock the ball in.
So, with that in mind, I have a forward line of :
MRJ Jack Cumberland
Bolton* Lynch Dusty#
* Bolton rotates (60/40) with Taranto
# Dusty rotates (70/30) with Cotchin
The most important part of the rotations would be to ensure only ONE of the midfielder (Taranto, Cotchin etc) are resting in the forward line at any one time. Miller/Nank may float in and out of the forward/backline depending on need.
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Agree with most of that Stripes but I think Cotchin probably gets more bench time IMO and goes harder in the midfield when he's on.
One thing for sure is that we simply cannot have both Dusty and Cotchin in the forward line at the same time. They don't have the defensive game or tank so that would be a big liability both being F50.
Taranto I think should be resting forward rather than bench a lot. Bolton and Dusty too. Cotchin I would be thinking more mid then bench and occasionally forward but preferably not much.
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The trouble with rotating cotch forward is that he is a passenger. IMO
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The trouble with rotating cotch forward is that he is a passenger. IMO
Sounds like Cotch would make a great sub then, gets his 13 games no problem, doesn't clog up the list or stink up the forward line.
I'll give any triple premiership winning captain a really good go at a deserving farewell ... :bow
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Cotch fined $1000.
Charge laid:
Trent Cotchin, Richmond, has been charged with Misconduct against Melbourne's James Harmes during the third quarter of the practice match between Richmond and Melbourne played at Casey Fields on Saturday March 4, 2023.
In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
The incident was classified as a $1500 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1279183/cotchin-fined-by-mro
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Enter salty opposition fans :lol.
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As expected he's copped a fine
I know the media and salty fans want him hung but seriously he copped what it deserved
But he really needs to stop getting sucked into this sort of crap
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Misconduct fine for Trent Cotchin.... He is footy's luckiest player at the tribunal. Now has $11,900 in fines but only one suspension across his career.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1632627404756914179
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'The older you get the angrier you get' - Robbo
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1632664214312738816
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Trent Cotchin isn’t in Richmond’s best 22
“Firstly, how does he fit into the midfield? If I’m talking about the best 22, he’s not in it. Of course, he’s going to play on, he’s 13 games from 300 and he deserves every bit to get to 300 games, but from what we saw over the weekend… I said the forward line experiment wouldn’t last two weeks, (now) I’m not sure it will last half a week.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/06/kane-cornes-10-observations-from-the-official-afl-pre-season-games/
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Wasn’t he is our highest possession/contested possession last year?
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Misconduct fine for Trent Cotchin.... He is footy's luckiest player at the tribunal. Now has $11,900 in fines but only one suspension across his career.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1632627404756914179
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'The older you get the angrier you get' - Robbo
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1632664214312738816
Or he's toed the line well....
Trent Cotchin isn’t in Richmond’s best 22
“Firstly, how does he fit into the midfield? If I’m talking about the best 22, he’s not in it. Of course, he’s going to play on, he’s 13 games from 300 and he deserves every bit to get to 300 games, but from what we saw over the weekend… I said the forward line experiment wouldn’t last two weeks, (now) I’m not sure it will last half a week.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/06/kane-cornes-10-observations-from-the-official-afl-pre-season-games/
With Prestia and Graham under injury clouds I would say his spot is guaranteed.
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Your mids and probably your running h/b are the ones your looking to rotate and rest the most.
Last year we used in most games at least or to put it a better way went into most games with 9 mids 10 if you include big Toby who also needs to be rotated a lot.
In what world is Cotchin not one of our best 9 mids? .I really dont think that is debateable. What needs to be sorted is how we use cotchin as a mid and how much game time he is given.
Last years prime list of mids with the games they played
Prestia 19, Nankervis 23, Baker 23, Short 23, Graham 20, Bolton 23, Ross 15 and of course Cotchin 19.
Then we had for limited games Martin 9 and Sonsie 7 the latter should have played a heap more imo.
Of this group Cotchin continues to be a better mid than Graham, Ross, Short, Baker, and imo Martin given his last couple of seasons and young Sonsie but that can change quickly with this kid.
Then we had wingers Pickett 19, McIntosh 21 and Ralphsmith 13.
Positional players out side of mids.
Backs
Vlastuin Broad, Grimes, Balta, D Rioli, Tarrant. They are getting picked no matter what. Atm it seems Baker is the outlet or 7th defender.
Forwards
Riewoldt, Lynch, Two of Cumberland, M Rioli, Clarke, one of Miller or Ryan.
That leaves 11 spots for potentially all mids including wings and ruck.
Mids in order.
Wings - McIntosh, Pickett. Atm they are probably locks Ralphsmith is a possibility.
Ruck - Nankervis. Only question is who will partner him hopefully one of Miller or Ryan as fwd/rucks..
Mids - Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Bolton, Cotchin, Martin, Sonsie, Sub Graham. Ross, Short last two as emergency.
When there is a better mid option than Cotchin then maybe we can talk about him not being best 23.Until then we can talk about his game time and what roles he should or should not be doing outside of his mid role.
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When Toby met Trent: New Giants captain seeks champion Tiger’s advice
Marc McGowan
The Age
March 8, 2023
New Giants standalone captain Toby Greene’s wish to become the best leader he can be saw him turn to Richmond’s triple premiership ex-captain Trent Cotchin for advice this week.
Cotchin is someone Greene has admired mostly from afar but the Greater Western Sydney star contacted the veteran Tiger in recent weeks about catching up – and they met for lunch in Melbourne on Monday.
The specifics of the chat are likely to remain a secret, but Greene was keen to pick Cotchin’s brain on being a standalone AFL captain and the challenges involved, including juggling extra responsibilities while still maximising himself as a footballer.
Cotchin’s peers voted him the AFL’s best captain in 2018, and he resigned from the role at the end of the 2021 season after nine years and 188 games in charge.
One of the most famous memories associated with Cotchin’s leadership, aside from his significant on-field exploits, was him being the last player to leave the MCG after the 2017 grand final because he stayed back to clean up rubbish left in the Richmond change rooms.
It was those types of actions, plus his Brownlow Medal-winning output, empathy, selflessness and ruthlessness that made him one of the best captains of his generation.
Greene has courted far more controversy on and off the field throughout his career than Cotchin, whose clean-cut, family image contrasts somewhat with the more rough-and-ready but popular and hugely respected Giant. They have also enjoyed wildly different fates with the match review officer and at the tribunal.
He previously struggled at times to maintain eye contact in media appearances but now speaks with more confidence and comfort in those situations, even if he will never be as polished as a Cotchin-type.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/when-toby-met-trent-new-giants-captain-seeks-champion-tiger-s-advice-20230307-p5cpz7.html
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Cotch today received his AFL life membership :clapping.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2023/03/09/1032739.jpg)(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2023/03/09/1032740.jpg)
https://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL+2023+Media+-+AFL+Season+Launch
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On ya mate.
F the haters.
Cover yourself in glory, we love it.
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Tigers coach dismisses Trent Cotchin forward queries
Shayne Hope
AAP
March 13, 2023 9:22PM
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has leapt to Trent Cotchin's defence amid queries over the veteran midfielder's ability to contribute in a new role this season.
The addition of inside midfielders Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper means Cotchin will not feature as often in the Tigers' engine room in 2023.
The 32-year-old triple-premiership star will spend more time across half-forward than he has done for the majority of his decorated 287-game career.
Harsh critics have already branded Cotchin too slow and questioned whether he will kick enough goals to justify his position.
But Hardwick, who believes outsiders are too quick to write off champion players because "it's an easy story to write", is having none of it.
"He's a great contested-ball player but he's got incredible craft up forward, funnily enough," Hardwick told Fox Footy.
"He played this role for about the last six or seven weeks last year and he did that very well if you go back and have a look at the tape.
"He set up a lot of goals, he kicked a couple of goals as well, so we're really confident in what he can do.
"We also know that when push comes to shove we're going to need him at the coalface.
"He's a quality player and people always quickly jump on the champs."
Carlton coach Michael Voss, whose team takes on Richmond at the MCG on Thursday night, is wary of Cotchin's potential impact in the season opener.
"He might be a slightly different version (of himself) but he'll still be a pretty good version," Voss told Fox Footy.
"He'll still keep us well and truly aware about where is on the field at any one point."
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-coach-dismisses-trent-cotchin-forward-queries-c-10029221
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Lol not many are questioning his ability to continue to play his customary role as a mid, but in all good faith everyone has every right as to why we would play him as a forward when we have so many better options.
Why oh why would we play him fwd when there are fellow mids in Bolton, Martin, Taranto, and Sonsie who should go thru there and to top that off we have permanent forwards in MRJ, Cumberland and Clarke sheesh Castagna would have been a better defensive fwd option.
Have said it a few times playing Trent fwd is denying better fwd options an opportunity.
It aint rocket science just continue to play him as a mid coming from the bench.In that we don't have better options imo.
To me this is the problem of having such a long term coach who has got so close to players who have bought success.
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So true mate.
I'd be playing him mid off the bench. Let everyone get a little tired then Cotch can come in and batter them
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Let's see where he plays, and how he plays, tomorrow night before getting too upset, folks.
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Not sure exactly where he was playing but was a typical Cotchin game from what I could see. Strong and hard at the ball and won plenty of contests.
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Not sure exactly where he was playing but was a typical Cotchin game from what I could see. Strong and hard at the ball and won plenty of contests.
Oh wow we agree and as a mid coming of the bench no need to change a thing.After all he is a mid and nothing more.
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Solid game and that delivery to Lynch or Jack whoever it was, was a heat seeker. better than the high bombing crap we saw all night.
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Behind the scenes of Cotch doing some AAMI commercial.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/trentcotchin9/3062537695915521352/
https://www.instagram.com/stories/trentcotchin9/3062553107989895778/
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Malthouse in the HeraldSun:
The mind wants but the body can’t deliver, and frustration sets in.
I’ve noticed that with Cotchin in past couple of years. He becomes undisciplined if things don’t go the way he wants. Hardwick might feel like he owes Cotchin the chance, but with Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper recruited to slide into the midfield, where does that leave Cotchin?
His sheer guts and determination will assure that he’s competitive, but will he be game changing or contribute much to the score line playing forward? Yes, it’s a team effort, but if he becomes a passenger, then what?
After such a magnificent career, I wouldn’t want that for Cotchin. I’m not sure he’s played back before, but I think Hardwick needs to at least try him there.
He did it with Daniel Rioli who was just a cameo star on the forward line, but is now one of the league’s premier running backs.
Survival depends on adaptability.
Scott Pendlebury is a classic case. One of the smartest players going around, you won’t see him play forward too often.
He adds value to Collingwood’s midfield by playing a cameo role, and is extending his career by playing half-back, where he can still direct traffic. He’s not quick, but he slows the game down, and his reading of the play is second to none, which is why it works so well.
For the sake of the Tigers and Dockers, and for the pride of two brilliant contributors to our game, Pendlebury could be the perfect template for Cotchin and Fyfe.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/mick-malthouse-ponders-how-afl-clubs-should-utilise-ageing-superstars/news-story/d8644740885ff78ca3a06bfd09153779
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Didn’t get a chance to watch the whole game yesterday yet, but from what I saw he was far from our worst, same thing round 1. East/lazy articles from these journos or ex players/coaches to write about our older players but it’s obvious they aren’t even watching the matches.
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Cotchin in the late third and fourth quarters showed real class. He didn't fumble where others did.
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Agree with Malthouse: Cotch behind the ball is his best position for mine. Also agree with eliminator that he looked a cut above when things got tight in the 3rd and 4th.
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Richmond champion Trent Cotchin in school uniform furore
Richmond’s Trent Cotchin is at the centre of a school uniform controversy, with parents angry they have to support his side hustle.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-champion-trent-cotchin-in-school-uniform-furore/news-story/56eb5747fb452d01e0577c9117928fd5
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Dimma was asked about subbing Cotch off post-game:
"One of the plans was trying to get MJ on. Felt we lacked a bit of yard up front. It was probably always going to be for one of the contest mids. That was who it was. We worked through a process, and it was Trent at this stage. Once again it is a long season. He's a veteran. He's a very, very good player. We just had to get another player onto the ground."
Go to 3:02 min mark: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1307890/round-5-hardwick-post-match
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Good answer by Dimma. Cotch is in his last year, some things are bigger than winning a flag every year and ensuring Cotchin leaves the game in a positive way is one of them. 3 time premiership captain, get him to 300 at the end of the season with class is very important for our footy club.
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Good answer by Dimma. Cotch is in his last year, some things are bigger than winning a flag every year and ensuring Cotchin leaves the game in a positive way is one of them. 3 time premiership captain, get him to 300 at the end of the season with class is very important for our footy club.
Agreed 100%. Il never forget the battering he received in his early years.
Maybe if some other players like Bolton, Nank, Floss lifted their games we wouldn’t have to rely on guys like cotch performing.
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“IT WAS GLARING”: DID RICHMOND AND COTCHIN MAKE THE RIGHT CALL TO PLAY ON IN 2023?
Hugh Fitzpatrick
SEN
15 April 2023
Did Richmond great Trent Cotchin make the right decision in playing on in 2023?
A superstar of the game, the Tigers decided to give the former captain a one-year deal late last year, extending his time at the club to a 16th season.
Battling with injury and form in 2022, Cotchin has struggled to get going this year, so much so that he was subbed out of his side’s Friday night loss to the Sydney Swans.
Averaging just 15 disposals this year and showing some signs of slowing down, Hawthorn great Dermott Brereton says he felt for the three-time premiership star but wonders whether he and Richmond made the right call in playing on in 2023.
“I felt for Trent Cotchin last night,” Brereton told SEN’s Crunch Time.
“It was one of those times I thought to myself 'what does the club think right now', because they would’ve had a chat with Trent in the off-season.
“From all the noise from when we’ve questioned this, it sounds like Trent Cotchin has been such a wonderful servant, the Richmond Football Club have left the choice in his hands.
“I saw Ollie Florent, who is your standard-paced league player, he ran away from Trent in the middle of the ground and it was glaring, when you get those one on one exposures it’s glaring that Trent can’t run anyone down.
“He’s still monstrous with the way he attacks the footy and the way he supplies that leadership which some teams lack so it can be valuable with what his assets still are but it was glaring that he physically couldn’t do the things that made him a great player.”
Richmond and Cotchin will be looking to get their season back on track on Monday night against Melbourne in their annual Anzac Day eve fixture.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/15/it-was-glaring-did-richmond-and-cotchin-make-the-right-call-to-play-on-in/
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NOT TIME FOR COTCH CALL
Scott Gullan
HeraldSun
15 April 2023
Life as a veteran on his last legs in the AFL is a tough gig.
Trent Cotchin and Richmond are about to find themselves in a week focussed on whether the premiership captain has done the wrong thing by playing on one extra year.
The sight of Cotchin being subbed off on Friday night was hard for Tigers fans to watch although given his poor output it was clearly the right decision by coach Damien Hardwick.
Turning Cotchin into a pressure forward hasn’t worked and the Brownlow Medallist hasn’t been able to find a way to be influential in the new midfield set-up playing alongside recruits Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper.
Most will be quick to write him off but the fact is Richmond’s injury list is so long that Cotchin will have to play next week against Melbourne.
Geelong and Joel Selwood set the bar high on how to deal with an ageing superstar coming to the end. That is the template the Tigers need to tap into because there is no hiding in this game particularly when the rest of the team are only paddling as well.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/early-tackle-scott-gullans-likes-and-dislikes-from-gather-round/news-story/e8e7f99f5719ad19fc3cf8c24aed6d27
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Champion
Warrior
Tiger legend
After last year I thought another year was warranted
But the cliff came quicker than expected
Cotch isn’t the first champion and won’t he the last that has had this happen
Will retire a true tiger hero
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Don't stress about #300.
Retire for MSD IMO.
Play out the year in the VFL if allowed, mentoring the kids and drawing a big crowd to Magoos.
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Wow,You want him to walk out the door so we can recruit someone who’s been overlooked or delisted previously ,I see another list clogger on the way!
Maybe we can ask George to come back.
He may be injured or ill and he has never been fast , why don’t we just give him a few weeks, not the first player to lose form , we have about 20
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Wow,You want him to walk out the door so we can recruit someone who’s been overlooked or delisted previously ,I see another list clogger on the way!
Maybe we can ask George to come back.
He may be injured or ill and he has never been fast , why don’t we just give him a few weeks, not the first player to lose form , we have about 20
I just don't see the value in dragging out a career to reach a milestone.
I know he tries hard but he's too slow and can't get the ball anymore. It would be a sad way for a celebrated career to end if we have another dozen or so games of this quality. As they say better a year early than a day late. Same with Shedda.
It's a spot that should go to a young kid and we could be trying a MSD option for a position in need - you never know, we might get a good one like Pickett.
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He had a bad game in wet weather, it happens!
He might not be able to get back to what he was when 25, but who else is ready in the reserves to step up and be a better option
Who says he can’t come good, he deserves a chance as a 3 time premiership captain
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He had a bad game in wet weather, it happens!
He might not be able to get back to what he was when 25, but who else is ready in the reserves to step up and be a better option
Who says he can’t come good, he deserves a chance as a 3 time premiership captain
Yeah I guess what I'm saying is give him until the MSD to run into form, or not.
His numbers are down but his speed is notably bad compared to last year and I don't see how that would improve, do you? Modestly paced midfielders are leaving him for dead in the chase.
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I don't think you MSD him and leave him on 299 games just to get a bush league footballer in the door today, especially since this season is realistically gone. Might as well save those picks for the ND and get a good long look at next year's draft crop.
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Give him his 300th game he deserves that. Play him as the sub if needed. The problem with Cotchin is that he can only go at 80%..... We all know that you cannot carry players at only 80%. He was the same last year.
A mid season retirement could be a realistic situation unfortunately for the champ.
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Playing Cotch as the sub the week before was an odd decision by the MC. Either play him or rest him like Jack was. Clearly, the rest did Jack the world of good, whereas Cotch had to come on way earlier than planned against the Dogs due to Graham's hammy. So, effectively Cotch hasn't really had a managed break (until subbed off). The reality is as veterans they are going to have to be managed this year and have a game off here. At least this week, both he and Jack get a 10-day break before Anzac Eve.
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I can't buy into the media hype. Thats what it is with Cotchin media hype.
Last two games he has been the sub coming on or coming off. Imo the only poor game he has had was this week.
Gunna keep saying it WHAT YOUNG MID is there to play anyway.
For anyone not interested in the media rush to retire Cotchin here,s his tog. 67%, 71%, 79% then rested coming off what i thought was a very good gameand came on as sub for 48% game time and this week subbed off with 40% game time and it really is the only week he probably needed to be replaced.
Hmm Ross instead of Cotchin thanks but no thanks, Or Dow yeah na. Graham Short nope none offer what Cotchin does even in his twighlight.
Yep hes come off a mare but they all have em.
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I can't buy into the media hype. Thats what it is with Cotchin media hype.
Last two games he has been the sub coming on or coming off. Imo the only poor game he has had was this week.
Gunna keep saying it WHAT YOUNG MID is there to play anyway.
For anyone not interested in the media rush to retire Cotchin here,s his tog. 67%, 71%, 79% then rested coming off what i thought was a very good gameand came on as sub for 48% game time and this week subbed off with 40% game time and it really is the only week he probably needed to be replaced.
Hmm Ross instead of Cotchin thanks but no thanks, Or Dow yeah na. Graham Short nope none offer what Cotchin does even in his twighlight.
Yep hes come off a mare but they all have em.
100% with you here
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Watch: https://twitter.com/RFC17192020/status/1647883392065880065
David King reckons Cotch will be considering whether to pull the ping now if Cotch believes he is standing in the way of a young Tiger getting 20 games into him. Having said that, once Whateley told King that Cotch only needs 8 more games to reach 300, then King said we have to get him to 300 as things like this relating to legends of the club are more important.
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Such a pile on over nothing. Granted I’ve missed the past couple of games but can anyone point me to more then a select few players for us who are playing with any real top form? There are 20+ players they could be writing these articles about but it will be Cotchin and Jack all year purely based on their age.
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Watch: https://twitter.com/RFC17192020/status/1647883392065880065
David King reckons Cotch will be considering whether to pull the ping now if Cotch believes he is standing in the way of a young Tiger getting 20 games into him. Having said that, once Whateley told King that Cotch only needs 8 more games to reach 300, then King said we have to get him to 300 as things like this relating to legends of the club are more important.
Considering there were only 4 players running around in the two's this last week I don't think he is standing in the way of anybody getting a game. If they cant earn a game now with the injuries we have they are more than likely not doing what is asked of them in the 2's and therefore probably don't deserve a game.
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For the sake of clarity, those 4 players were: Dow, Banks, Bauer, Steely Green.
Really not a great look for Dow -- probably throw Banks in there as well.
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Great points Fluff, honestly can’t king take his nose out of Champion data’s butt and look at the injury list?
On Banks, think he’s a second year player coming back from injury so I wouldn’t go too hard on the kid
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For the sake of clarity, those 4 players were: Dow, Banks, Bauer, Steely Green.
Really not a great look for Dow -- probably throw Banks in there as well.
Dow was coming back from an injury. He's looking good as an inside mid at least at VFL level and working hard, very hard, on the spread.
Banks has had one quarter playing midfield.
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Dow in his 4th year.
If he can't push out Cotchin in his current twilight form then he's basically a guaranteed delisting at the end of 2023.
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[Hopper] also bristled at the conversation around Trent Cotchin’s football future, saying the former skipper still had so much more to give on and off the field.
“Cotch is fine, he’s a star and you can’t put a value on what he does. I love playing footy with him and can’t wait to see him play more footy for us.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-round-6-2023-jacob-hopper-says-the-tigers-will-relish-the-chance-to-correct-their-form-against-melbourne/news-story/cbb9ba551f421c2e9c1bde726d75a63e).
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He should play as sub.
Come on when everyone else is starting to slow down a bit
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Dow in his 4th year.
If he can't push out Cotchin in his current twilight form then he's basically a guaranteed delisting at the end of 2023.
Why Cotchin there are other mids who have been worse than the ex skipper.
FWIW I thought Dow unlucky not to have played seniors this year and from what i can gather has been pretty decent in the VFL and was again this week.
What irks me is Short who before injury was ordinary walks straight back in why not reward Dow with a game instead.
Jayden Short is not that good a player where he should not be asked to earn his spot just like the younger blokes are asked to do.
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Dow in his 4th year.
If he can't push out Cotchin in his current twilight form then he's basically a guaranteed delisting at the end of 2023.
Why Cotchin there are other mids who have been worse than the ex skipper.
FWIW I thought Dow unlucky not to have played seniors this year and from what i can gather has been pretty decent in the VFL and was again this week.
What irks me is Short who before injury was ordinary walks straight back in why not reward Dow with a game instead.
Jayden Short is not that good a player where he should not be asked to earn his spot just like the younger blokes are asked to do.
Have to agree on Dow preseason was good to.
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Dow in his 4th year.
If he can't push out Cotchin in his current twilight form then he's basically a guaranteed delisting at the end of 2023.
Why Cotchin there are other mids who have been worse than the ex skipper.
FWIW I thought Dow unlucky not to have played seniors this year and from what i can gather has been pretty decent in the VFL and was again this week.
What irks me is Short who before injury was ordinary walks straight back in why not reward Dow with a game instead.
Jayden Short is not that good a player where he should not be asked to earn his spot just like the younger blokes are asked to do.
I'm not a Short fan but I honestly believe we've missed his ability across half back to break the lines and launch attacks. Our kickouts have been horrendous as well, he'll help with that.
Dow's not really demanding a game and I don't know who you'd take out of the midfield to accommodate him
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Time for Cotchin to cash in his chips?
With finals all but impossible and a diminishing on-field role the question has to be asked whether Trent Cotchin should call time early. The triple-premiership captain was seen as playing a pressure-forward role this year, but his tackle averages are lower than they’ve been since 2009, disposals are at a career nadir and he's only kicked one goal from seven games. An all-time club great, it would be terrible to see Cotchin fade away as Richmond’s season drags on and, as harsh as it sounds, he's taking up a younger player’s spot in the side.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/915936/tiger-time-s-up-suns-put-richmond-s-season-in-the-dark).
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All true.
Dow is doing OK in VFL level and guys like him + Sonsie + Ross need to stop being dropped while Cotch keeps playing.
They all need games to see where they're at and if we should cut them.
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Get him to 300 then we can play the kids.
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I don't know about others but I'm finding it really hard to watch Cotch run around so far this season. He is really struggling. That dreaded cliff comes up so very quickly, just ask Shedda
What we learnt or should I say what was reinforced yesterday was Sonsie is no wingman. He should be in the guts. But doesn't get that opportunity
Jack Ross, well we got told he spend a fair bit of time in the middle and I don't think he did. Then when he gets it he just 2nd guesses himself making the majority of his disposals ineffective.
And yes I have to bring this up. RCD was touted by the coach as the long term Cotchin replacement but he more so than Ross never got the opportunities for an extended period. He played when Cotch was injured but as soon as Cotch was fit enough no matter how well RCD played he got dropped.
Then there is Dow.
After yesterday what has become clear to me (and claw will say I told ya so) but we have been and continue to fail these kids. They need opportunities or it will be a long rebuild. Now is the time
I have no issue with us getting Taranto or Hopper but we still need to find a way to get games into these kids
I love Cotch, he's a champion and will be remembered as a legend of our Club but time waits for no one and I for one want to remember him for the great things, his greatness not talking about he went on one season too long
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Get him to 300 then we can play the kids.
Said it before, that that will be the plan. The only way he would continue to get games after 300 is if injury list worsens or he hits some form
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He’s a triple premiership captain anyway, does 300 games really Matter ? Clearly not up to it anymore and like an old dog it’s time to end their suffering
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He’s a triple premiership captain anyway, does 300 games really Matter ? Clearly not up to it anymore and like an old dog it’s time to end their suffering
Agree. There didn't seem to be much sense in continuing on this year except to get to the 300 games. His output last year had diminished considerably
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We need to get him to 300 as he deserves the opportunity. That said, I would make it 300 and out :clapping
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How embarrassing.
I couldn't look myself in the mirror.
Richo retired because he didn't feel comfortable playing on if he wasn't sure he was good enough. And good for him too.
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How embarrassing.
I couldn't look myself in the mirror.
Richo retired because he didn't feel comfortable playing on if he wasn't sure he was good enough. And good for him too.
Campo is another. 297..
I myself want Cotch to get to 300 because the cupboard is very bare and it wont make one difference with our list, and i really mean that. Who else deserves his spot for a few games?
The list is so bad so we might as well see our legends off.
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How embarrassing.
I couldn't look myself in the mirror.
Richo retired because he didn't feel comfortable playing on if he wasn't sure he was good enough. And good for him too.
Campo is another. 297..
I myself want Cotch to get to 300 because the cupboard is very bare and it wont make one difference with our list, and i really mean that. Who else deserves his spot for a few games?
The list is so bad so we might as well see our legends off.
Whilst I get where you’re coming from, they’re also valuable games we could be getting into our youngsters ( mostly do decide whether to keep them or get rid of them and I suspect the latter) just delays the process is all
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How embarrassing.
I couldn't look myself in the mirror.
Richo retired because he didn't feel comfortable playing on if he wasn't sure he was good enough. And good for him too.
Campo is another. 297..
I myself want Cotch to get to 300 because the cupboard is very bare and it wont make one difference with our list, and i really mean that. Who else deserves his spot for a few games?
The list is so bad so we might as well see our legends off.
Whilst I get where you’re coming from, they’re also valuable games we could be getting into our youngsters ( mostly do decide whether to keep them or get rid of them and I suspect the latter) just delays the process is all
Fair Enough.
I dont think its right or wrong just my opinion because i have made up my mind on many youngsters especially ones that resemble aaron fiora.
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This is probably the unpopular opinion but I believe in honouring your heroes. They form the history of the club and how you treat them can have a lasting impact on the culture of the club. It doesn’t sit well with me that we were happy for him to flog himself and captain us to premierships but with his milestone so close we throw him in the garbage heap. I’m keen for us to get him to 300 then we’ll go from there.
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This is probably the unpopular opinion but I believe in honouring your heroes. They form the history of the club and how you treat them can have a lasting impact on the culture of the club. It doesn’t sit well with me that we were happy for him to flog himself and captain us to premierships but with his milestone so close we throw him in the garbage heap. I’m keen for us to get him to 300 then we’ll go from there.
I get where you’re coming from, but imo no one is bigger than the club. He obviously was close to calling it at the end of last season but thought he had a bit left if we were to contend again, but clearly we aren’t. So the right call would be to retire and I wouldn’t be surprised if he did
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This is probably the unpopular opinion but I believe in honouring your heroes. They form the history of the club and how you treat them can have a lasting impact on the culture of the club. It doesn’t sit well with me that we were happy for him to flog himself and captain us to premierships but with his milestone so close we throw him in the garbage heap. I’m keen for us to get him to 300 then we’ll go from there.
No issue with your opinion at all
Understand and part of me feels the same way. If there is a player who deserves to achieve the 300 game milestone it's Cotch
But as I posted it is really hard to watch him at the moment struggling the way he is.
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Trent Cotchin won’t play this week due to general soreness…
Means - Trent’s 300th will now be Rnd 14 Sat Night at G vs Saints rather than interstate in prior two weeks.
Correct management ✅
#AFL #afl360
@Richmond_FC
#Cotchin300 #Cotchin #gotiges #talkingtigers
https://twitter.com/CammoCox/status/1654002819194814466
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Love him like a brother- but let’s face it , we didn’t miss him at all yesterday.
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Love him like a brother- but let’s face it , we didn’t miss him at all yesterday.
I think we were better off without him lumbering around
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Could the machinations behind getting Trent to 300 games be a major cause of dissent at the club??
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Could the machinations behind getting Trent to 300 games be a major cause of dissent at the club??
I can't imagine any of the players holding against him myself, but against the club maybe.
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Could the machinations behind getting Trent to 300 games be a major cause of dissent at the club??
I can't imagine any of the players holding against him myself, but against the club maybe.
That is what I would have thought
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I wouldn’t think so? From most accounts he’s a much loved figure at the club right?
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if anyone at the club is not happy with it, especially those with 3 medals around their neck, then they should walk out the door.
I would think there is no chance this is playing out.
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I can see both points of view in relation to this issue. Cotchin has been a great servant of this club. He has put his body on the line on repeated occasions for the club and has led by distinction including changing the course of many games by inspiring others. It is important for club culture to recognize great servants of the club. However on the other hand no one player is greater than the club. Many players have called it quits when they knew they could no longer perform at the level required eg Campbell, Cloke, Richardson and Lambert to name just a few. The younger players need the chance to play on a regular basis to gain experience and the Club needs the opportunity to assess whether the younger players are up to scratch. A compromise could be that Cotchin be the substitute for all games up until his 300th. In short bursts he could still impact games and at the same time it allows him to reach the 300 game mark.
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I don't think anyone really expects him to give it away so close to 300 in a down year, especially since he was pretty solid last year so could just be out of form rather than 'done' (at least that's what people can tell themselves).
But it's a far cry from Grigg giving it away for Marlion and perhaps a sign that we're not quite as unflinchingly selfless as we used to be.
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Grigg was injured for a long time and just couldn’t get on the park. Completely different situation to cotch.
There isn’t a more selfless player in our team now or in the past 7 seasons, honestly can’t believe this is being questioned. He sacrificed his game and changed up his leadership style and lead us to 3 flags.
Still think for any poor performance he’s had, there’s always been 3-5 worse performing players.
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Grigg was injured for a long time and just couldn’t get on the park. Completely different situation to cotch.
There isn’t a more selfless player in our team now or in the past 7 seasons, honestly can’t believe this is being questioned. He sacrificed his game and changed up his leadership style and lead us to 3 flags.
Still think for any poor performance he’s had, there’s always been 3-5 worse performing players.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but in plain speech if we elevate Cotch's personal milestone above the good of the team then that is the beginning of losing our way, is it not? To suggest that the symbolic value of getting him there is somehow for the good of the club in a different way is at best unmeasurable -- at worst fanciful.
The situation tugs on my heart strings so I'm not opposed to assisting him to the end, but we are assisting him, and a lot of us are interrogating the current malaise for signs of cultural decline and this could yet be another case in point.
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I just think people are reaching to find some sinister explanation for our downslide rather than the simple explanations of player turnover, assistant coach turnover, change of president, our best players aging, change in the way footy is played even from just 3 seasons ago.
People will point to how Geelong have managed to stay competitive for the best part of 15 years now, but for that 1 example there are 10 times those that show sides falling after premierships let alone dynasties. You just need to look at the ladder, 3 of the bottom 4 sides have won 7 of the last 10 premierships.
Also like I said before, I’ve always noticed atleast 3-5 players who have played worse than cotch. So if we are carrying him, we’re carrying 25% of the side of the 22 atm.
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Okay on the theme. you have an aging and according to many or most underperforming ex captain continually getting games and not held to a standard to get em, then i can see how some discontent can seep in especially with blokes struggling to establish themselves.
When we stop holding all players to the same standard of course discontent will seep in.I really think there is rules for some and different rules for others.
Personally i don't think that is the case with Cotch. Too many of those coming thru are not good enough and he has not been forced out.
That in itself is damning in some ways.
I actually think this post has a lot of merit
I just think people are reaching to find some sinister explanation for our downslide rather than the simple explanations of player turnover, assistant coach turnover, change of president, our best players aging, change in the way footy is played even from just 3 seasons ago.
People will point to how Geelong have managed to stay competitive for the best part of 15 years now, but for that 1 example there are 10 times those that show sides falling after premierships let alone dynasties. You just need to look at the ladder, 3 of the bottom 4 sides have won 7 of the last 10 premierships.
Also like I said before, I’ve always noticed atleast 3-5 players who have played worse than cotch. So if we are carrying him, we’re carrying 25% of the side of the 22 atm.
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Commentary about Cotchin from Mongrel Punt:
THE MOMENTS THAT MATTER
HB meyers
mongrelpunt.com
May 12, 2023
We have short memories in footy, willing to pass over a player who hits a certain age and write them off as yesterday’s news.
It happens often and it happens suddenly. The best-laid plans for “one more year” quickly start to seem like a mistake as the many seasons of battle start to take a heavy toll on the body. That begets doubt – doubt in your decision, doubt in your ability, and doubt as to whether you could, or should go on.
Read the full article here: https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2023/2023/05/12/the-moments-that-matter/
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WHY THIS IS A HUGE NIGHT FOR RICHMOND VETERAN WITH SEASON ON THE LINE
Andrew Slevison
SEN
12 May 2023
Trent Cotchin must deliver for the Richmond Football Club on Friday night.
That is according to David King who is banking on the 33-year-old veteran to help guide the Tigers to victory over Geelong at the MCG to kick off Round 9.
The three-time premiership captain is back in Damien Hardwick’s side after he was managed last week, and with Richmond’s season on the line, he simply needs to play well.
King wants Cotchin to show that he still has something to offer the team has served so well for 16 years.
“I think this is a huge night for Trent Cotchin,” King said on SEN Breakfast.
“These are the sorts of games when you’re an older player coming to the end where you need to show there’s still some fight in the old dog. The ability to still impact a game like this that’s so significant.
“This is it. This is the season on the line tonight.
“It’s really critical that the older guys get the job done so you stick with the older guys in the back half of the season.
“He’s been a superstar player, Trent Cotchin. We all love what he’s been able to do, but let’s just talk about tonight and the importance of tonight and him being in Richmond’s best players.
“Having a performance that you can say to the coach, ‘I’m still here’.
“I think it’s a huge night for Trent Cotchin.”
However, Kane Cornes believes the Tigers are now at the stage where they cannot be relying on a veteran like Cotchin, but rather prioritising the development of the club’s emerging talent such as Judson Clarke and Noah Cumberland who were omitted this week.
He acknowledges that the club should get the 294-game former skipper to the 300 milestone, but feels his presence in the side should not be relied upon.
“It’s got to be the last time (he has to deliver),” Cornes said.
“This is understanding where you’re at with your list. You’ve got to get him to 300 games, so they will do that, you’ve got to get him there.
“But I don’t want to see Clarke out of the side, I don’t want to see Cumberland out of the side for Trent Cotchin.
“Because the under 23s that they’ve got, there’s not many of them. They need as many under 23s getting that experience as they can.
“(Tyler) Sonsie has got to play, Cumberland has got to play. He has the attributes to be an AFL footballer. I know he was quiet last week after he was dropped and got a reprieve.
“I just don’t want to see Trent Cotchin at this stage come in at the expense of some young players that Richmond desperately need for the future.”
King disagrees.
He says younger players such as Cumberland, who does have deficiencies, can still improve their game in the VFL.
“I think you can still develop players at the next level down,” King added.
“I still think you’ve got to knock the warts off them. Cumberland has got some warts at the moment and Damien Hardwick has been frustrated with this guy for the last two to three weeks.
“He’s got areas in his game that he needs to work on. I think those are structural. He’s not really playing his role at the right times and his defensive side of the game needs to really improve.
“You have to drop players at this stage of their career otherwise they’ll carry those bad habits.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/12/why-this-is-a-huge-night-for-richmond-veteran-with-season-on-the-line/
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Would be a highlight if tonight he could actually nail a clutch goal when needed. Will go down as a Tiger legend but his goalkicking at times has been well below par.
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Think it was 3.0 from him tonight
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He’s a bloody legend and should be given a ride all the way past 300 games. See the year out and send him off with the respect, dignity and accolades he deserves for one of the best captains the game has seen.
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The rest did him wonders!!!! Give him more rest!
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He will get to 300 games but he isn’t getting carried to it and I hate that this narrative is being pushed on this forum. It is really doing a disservice as to how great and selfless Cotchin is.
As I’ve said a few times now there has always been 3-4 players performing worse than him that are in line to be dropped before him.
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Is dream time game 300 for him?
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Nope still 5 to go. Tracking to be the saints game in Rd 14.
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Although I’m not sure he travels to Perth in round 13 off a 6 day break.
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That first set shot was huge. Such a massive confidence booster for himself and the team.
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300 round 19 at home against the hawks
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Any love from those who wanted him dropped? Laughable those comments
What a fantastic player and game.
He deserves 300 and I hope he gets it.
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Any love from those who wanted him dropped? Laughable those comments
What a fantastic player and game.
He deserves 300 and I hope he gets it.
Love from me, but he wasn't playing anywhere near this useful. I think he will struggle to stay in form as good as tonight but he was great. Handpass to Prestia who kicked to Jack was sensational and that snap off his left made me jump up and tell.
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He’s a bloody legend and should be given a ride all the way past 300 games. See the year out and send him off with the respect, dignity and accolades he deserves for one of the best captains the game has seen.
:clapping
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Any love from those who wanted him dropped? Laughable those comments
What a fantastic player and game.
He deserves 300 and I hope he gets it.
Love from me, but he wasn't playing anywhere near this useful. I think he will struggle to stay in form as good as tonight but he was great. Handpass to Prestia who kicked to Jack was sensational and that snap off his left made me jump up and tell.
Sorry mate but whose position was he holding back? Also the games he played poorly, everyone did including our other champions. The suns game was a disaster.
The call to get him to 300 is a correct one and he deserves it. Champion is what he is.
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Any love from those who wanted him dropped? Laughable those comments
What a fantastic player and game.
He deserves 300 and I hope he gets it.
Love from me, but he wasn't playing anywhere near this useful. I think he will struggle to stay in form as good as tonight but he was great. Handpass to Prestia who kicked to Jack was sensational and that snap off his left made me jump up and tell.
Sorry mate but whose position was he holding back? Also the games he played poorly, everyone did including our other champions. The suns game was a disaster.
The call to get him to 300 is a correct one and he deserves it. Champion is what he is.
I think Dow has done enough at VFL level but he hasn't even got a game when Cotch is being tested.
I don't mind taking him to 300 I just hope he can do it in style and not be embarrassed the way I thought Edwards was.
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"Been looking for this vision for a while..
Enjoy this small but awesome compilation of a young, vintage #TrentCotchin from the 2011 #Dreamtime game.
The then 21 year old went on to his 1st JDM that year but I'll never forget this game. I knew we had a champion."
WATCH: https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1658962100100960256
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Alex Rance breaks down how Trent Cotchin changed his game and led the Tigers to success.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/SENBreakfast/status/1661246900547330048
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From the HeraldSun:
Approaching game 300, Cotchin admitted it was disappointing Hardwick would not be in charge for his milestone match
“At the end of the day, as much as it is a significant milestone, I actually hate it being about me or any individual,” Cotchin said.
“That will be what it will be.”
While it is speculated Cotchin could retire at the end of this season, the 33-year-old said he had “not really” given a lot of thought yet to his future.
“I’m literally just trying to soak up every last part of it,” Cotchin said.
“Even after we lined up pre-game and then running back to the Punt Rd end and just the cheer, even though it wasn’t the biggest crowd that I have played in front of, still sends shivers down my spine.
“I am so grateful for being able to come out here for 16 years now and play the game that I grew up loving and continue to love and try to do my best for my team.”
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-richmond-v-port-adelaide-2023-all-the-latest-news-analysis-and-fallout/news-story/31c8cca005a226608cc6fed0d9c59d56
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Chimp has earnt the right to play as much as he wants this year
The season is shot. Let's celebrate our legend send them off in style and enjoy seeing them mentor next gen. I'd like Sonsie to play alongside Trent as much as possible.
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Both on 297 games for the Tigs, this week Cotch (right) goes past Wayne Campbell (left). Bloody good player, Wok.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fxh2dD1aIAMdOAy?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1664210307756212225
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Cotch by the length of Flemington straight
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Campbell the pioneer of selfish unaccountable stat padding that added another 20 years to the drought. Cotchin the great leader who ended it. :shh
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Chimp has earnt the right to play as much as he wants this year
The season is shot. Let's celebrate our legend send them off in style and enjoy seeing them mentor next gen. I'd like Sonsie to play alongside Trent as much as possible.
This.
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Campbell the pioneer of selfish unaccountable stat padding that added another 20 years to the drought. Cotchin the great leader who ended it. :shh
:cheers
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Cotchin averaging 3.7 tackles sums up his career. He changed his role and opted to get less ball himself to elevate others. A true leader makes those around him better and that’s what cotchin did. 3x premiership captain and an immortal of the tigers
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Game, Skip
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyQrx0haIAEBv6V?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1667505903896231937
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Was vintage footy from the skipper
Like a bull all night. :clapping
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Yep- back in the middle where he plays his best footy.
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"There's three triple Premiership captains since 2000. Why don't we group Cotchin in the same level of admiration with Hodge and Voss? He's had an unbelievable career and is a Brownlow medallist."
- Tom Morris on Trent Cotchin
#CrunchTime
https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1667700157654376448
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Turned back the clock Cher style last night. If we could get that type of game from him 8-10 times per year, I’d ask him to keep playing and give him every third week off
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"There's three triple Premiership captains since 2000. Why don't we group Cotchin in the same level of admiration with Hodge and Voss? He's had an unbelievable career and is a Brownlow medallist."
- Tom Morris on Trent Cotchin
#CrunchTime
https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1667700157654376448
Personally I do.
Even more so than Voss in a sense because that Lions team was absurdly strong.
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The Tackle: Jay Clark names his likes, dislikes from round 13
Like 5. Can Saints spoil next milestone party?
St Kilda crashed Lance Franklin’s party and will set its sights on ruining the celebrations for Trent Cotchin at the MCG this Saturday night.
Tigers’ interim coach Andrew McQualter said “we sometimes forget how good a footballer” Cotchin is heading into his 300th match.
But there was a timely reminder in the upset win over Fremantle on Saturday night when Cotchin had a season-high 28 touches, 15 contested possessions and seven clearances in the win in the west.
While there were some doubts about his ability to contribute forward at the start of the season, his move back into the midfield reaped rich rewards for McQualter with the big win over the Dockers.
But in reality Cotchin’s legacy is clear, anyway.
The premiership captain had a Joel Selwood-style impact on Punt Rd after one of their lowest ebbs at the end of 2016 when Cotchin became a more selfless and impressive, inspirational player in the heart of the Richmond engine room to lead the club to three premierships.
Geelong champion Steve Johnson was full of praise for Cotchin’s transformation.
“He will go down as a legend of their club,” Johnson said on Triple M.
“He has had a massive impact in regards to the way they were able to turn it around, him and Dusty (Martin).
“I always thought Trent Cotchin was an individual. He racked up touches, liked the short kicks, the one-twos.
“But when he went away from that and was willing to accept 10 less possessions for the betterment of the team and went harder defensively, he got players on his back by playing that way.”
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/the-tackle-jay-clark-names-his-likes-dislikes-from-round-14/news-story/f2ea62230dc4c9a8e405f8bc18a69245
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Sixth Tiger to reach 300 games. On ya Cotch! :bow :clapping
2008 15 games
2009 10
2010 17
2011 22 .... B&F Jack Dyer medal
2012 22 .... Brownlow medal, AFLCA Player of the Year, All-Australian, B&F Jack Dyer medal
2013 22 .... Became RFC captain (2013-21)
2014 23 .... B&F Jack Dyer medal
2015 22
2016 20
2017 25 .... Premiership captain
2018 22 .... AFLPA best captain
2019 14 .... Premiership captain
2020 17 .... Premiership captain, State of Origin - Victoria (captain)
2021 17
2022 19
2023 13*
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Total 300* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/T/Trent_Cotchin.html
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https://twitter.com/allozie/status/1667763273008300032
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Just bought my tickets to see this legends 300th. Can’t wait and hopefully the boys get the job done for him!
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Having seen Cotchin play it's hard to disagree with anything in the articles about him today. The bit about bringing teammates into play is so true. The kid has footy-smarts and has the slick skills to back those smarts up :thumbsup. A no-brainer IMO and as HT74 says he actually wants to play for us. What more do we want with our first pick ???.
Still remember that 50m pass in the wet at Princes Park for Vic Metro vs SA. Cotch's teammate was running towards goal at HF with an opponent on his shoulder and Cotch at HB planted the pass perfectly over the shoulder to the advantage side of his teammate to mark. Cotch has been a footy-smart natural footballer from the very beginning. The fact he has gone on to become a triple premiership captain and rack up 300 games has been beyond our wildest dreams. Congrats Cotch - what a legend! :bow :clapping.
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Cotch is a guest on AFL360 tonight to celebrate his 300th.
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Cotch is a guest on AFL360 tonight to celebrate his 300th.
Here's the interview:
WATCH HERE: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1357751/trent-cotchin-joins-afl360
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Hard to pick a fav moment or memory of Cotch. But I'll do my best.
5. Carrying Dan Rioli on his shoulders in 2017 GF lap of honour. What a champion leader. If this was Hodge or Boss it'd be wanked about for decades.
4. 2019 Mumford tackle. Set the tone. Get in the bin Mummy.
3. 2017 qualifying final spinning goal. Tears in my eyes from Butler's goal. This is arguably the most underrated goal I've ever seen. If this was Cyril it'd be still spoken about. Unreal. Finals draught broken.
2. The Dylan Shiel bump and attack on footy 2019 prelim. Standing ovation anytime he came off. Such a special game lead from front. Tigers are into a Grand Final.
1. The Daisy Pearce story. It just exemplified this era. Selfless and team first, being yourself, a good person before footy player, humble and all in.
Link here and story below:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/08/21/pearce-witnesses-act-of-kindness-from-richmond-skipper/
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The tackle on Stanley in the 2019 Prelim has to be #1.... :shh
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Cotch talking about playing home games at the 'G in front of the Tiger Army:
WATCH HERE:https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1669156772307963904
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Let’s pack out the @MCG for our milestone man (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f64c.svg)
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1669156210984235008
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Cotch's presser today:
'I'm humbled to be joining an amazing group' - Cotchin
WATCH HERE: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1358325/-i-m-humbled-to-be-joining-an-amazing-group-cotchin
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I remember the Kreuzer cup back then haha.
Gee Cotch has left him for dead long ago in every aspect.
I remember one of his first games, shrugging off a Marc Murphy tackle, making him look like such a weak goose. I knew then we had a superstar in the making.
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Tiger Legends :bow
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1669195349007929345
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:bow
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'Smelling the roses': No retirement thoughts for Tigers' 300-game hero
Richmond triple-premiership captain Trent Cotchin says he still possesses the "inner willingness to compete" as he prepares for his 300th AFL game
By AAP
15 June 2023
RICHMOND milestone man Trent Cotchin isn't ready to call time on his illustrious AFL career, insisting he still has a burning desire to compete at the top level.
The 33-year-old, who initially thought last season would be his swansong, will play his 300th game when the Tigers take on St Kilda on Saturday night.
In doing so, Cotchin will join Kevin Bartlett, Jack Riewoldt, Jack Dyer, Shane Edwards and Francis Bourke as the only Richmond players to reach the mark.
"I'm not putting a ceiling on anything," Cotchin told reporters on Thursday.
"Jack (Riewoldt) and I have had plenty of conversations this year where it's just about smelling the roses and enjoying each moment.
"We've shared moments where we just look at each other and we know that's a time to take in and celebrate and be present.
"You can get caught up in all the hoo-haa around what's next but I'm really just trying to celebrate what is right now."
Triple-premiership stars Cotchin and Riewoldt signed one-year contracts for 2023, while their flag-winning teammate Edwards called time at the end of last season.
When announcing his new deal last September, Cotchin said "the plan probably was not initially to go again".
The former captain and 2012 Brownlow medallist has contemplated life after football, eager to put his wife and young family first, while declaring coaching is not one of his strengths.
Cotchin admitted it will be hard to let go when he does eventually call time but said a moment during Thursday's training session - when he fought over a loose ball with 20-year-old teammate Tyler Sonsie - proved he still has the desire for the contest.
"What makes successful players successful is their inner willingness to compete ... when you lose that you know that it's time to let the next person have their time," Cotchin said.
Cotchin said he had mixed emotions reaching the milestone without triple-premiership coach Damien Hardwick, who led the Tigers for more than 13 seasons before stepping away from the game last month.
"To go through so much of my journey with such a special person at the helm of our footy club and him not being here (now) is bittersweet," Cotchin said.
"But just being in contact with him earlier in the week, I realised it was the right time for him and I'm sure we'll share a moment at some stage over the next few days.
"He's had a huge impact not just on my life but my family's life, and all of our players' lives at the footy club."
Cotchin spent time in attack earlier this season but said he has relished his return to the midfield over the last two weeks under caretaker coach Andrew McQualter.
The Tigers (5-1-7) posted wins over GWS and Fremantle in that time and can give their finals hopes another boost with victory over fifth-placed St Kilda.
Cotchin was captain of Richmond's 2017, 2019 and 2020 premiership teams, having made his debut in 2008.
He is credited as being one of several key pillars who turned around the previously struggling club's fortunes - along with chief executive Brendon Gale, former president Peggy O'Neal and Hardwick - at the end of 2016.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/950459/-smelling-the-roses-no-retirement-thoughts-for-tigers-300-game-hero
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A real champion. Congratulations to him. A great leader. Very loyal. His leadership was a major reason for our premiership success. His goal against Geelong in 2017 was incredible. The way he spoke about Pickett today is a testament to his leadership skills.
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Trent Cotchin says he isn't ready to call time on his career just yet. The veteran is on the verge of Tiger history as he prepares to toast a magical milestone. @cleary_mitch #7NEWS
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1669266027119607810
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Would be good if they put an extended highlights video on the Richmond Website to celebrate his great career.
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Tiger Legends :bow
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1669195349007929345
notice how Shedda is the only one not wearing anything Richmond - is that because he’s working with another club?
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notice how Shedda is the only one not wearing anything Richmond - is that because he’s working with another club?
Yes it would be.
Kudos to Adelaide giving him the OK to come over and celebrate (granted they the bye)
But in days gone by, Clubs more often than not wouldn't allow it
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Haven't these guys given us fans a fantastic time over the years.
It's a pity the likes of Richo, Campbell, Flea & a few others didn't quite reach this milestone.
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notice how Shedda is the only one not wearing anything Richmond - is that because he’s working with another club?
Yes it would be.
Kudos to Adelaide giving him the OK to come over and celebrate (granted they the bye)
But in days gone by, Clubs more often than not wouldn't allow it
I could be wrong here but I think I watched a video or read a article recently that said he lives and works in Melbourne as that’s where the crows main recruiting office is given the vast majority of draft prospects are located in vic.
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notice how Shedda is the only one not wearing anything Richmond - is that because he’s working with another club?
Yes it would be.
Kudos to Adelaide giving him the OK to come over and celebrate (granted they the bye)
But in days gone by, Clubs more often than not wouldn't allow it
I could be wrong here but I think I watched a video or read a article recently that said he lives and works in Melbourne as that’s where the crows main recruiting office is given the vast majority of draft prospects are located in vic.
The Crows' main recruiting office is in Melbourne as most of the draftees come from Victoria, but Sheds is their SA-based recruiter. He watches the SA kids in the SANFL and lower levels over there.
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notice how Shedda is the only one not wearing anything Richmond - is that because he’s working with another club?
Yes it would be.
Kudos to Adelaide giving him the OK to come over and celebrate (granted they the bye)
But in days gone by, Clubs more often than not wouldn't allow it
I could be wrong here but I think I watched a video or read a article recently that said he lives and works in Melbourne as that’s where the crows main recruiting office is given the vast majority of draft prospects are located in vic.
The Crows' main recruiting office is in Melbourne as most of the draftees come from Victoria, but Sheds is their SA-based recruiter. He watches the SA kids in the SANFL and lower levels over there.
Yep moved back home to SA last year after he retired
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THE INFLUENCE “UNFLAPPABLE” COTCHIN HAD ON HARDWICK IN RICHMOND’S PREMIERSHIP ERA
Andrew Slevison
SEN
16 June 2023
Did Damien Hardwick rub off on Trent Cotchin? Or was it the other way around?
As Richmond underwent a massive change between the 2016 and 2017 seasons, Hardwick became more of a caring and nurturing coach.
The Tigers opened up and became known for their trust in each other, improved their connection, started to enjoy things more and it all started to click out on the field.
It resulted in their golden era of three premierships in four years between 2017 and 2020.
Ahead of Cotchin’s 300th game, former star defender Alex Rance acknowledged the impact of the former captain in all of this.
He explained that no matter the situation, Cotchin would always keep a cool head amidst the chaos, and perhaps his calm ways helped influence the way Hardwick went about it.
“He was always very measured. I always called him Superman or the Teflon man, where nothing ever sticks,” Rance told SEN.com.au.
“It was like he was unflappable. Even if we were down in a critical moment, he always found a way to be calm whether that was by possession or by words.
“His addresses before and after games were never rah rah rah, they were never hype, that was other people’s responsibility.
“His message was realign, refocus, this is what we did well, this is how we can improve. It was just great leadership.
“Because there is a lot of rah rah rah and emotion pre and post-game, so his ability to stabilise us were his straights, and Dimma’s.
“That’s why they connected so well as a captain and coach duo is because they were both on the same wavelength. There was minimal rah, very much all process.
“Dimma could always give a spray. He was more than capable in the early years, but maybe Trent rubbed off him, I don’t know.
“I’m not sure whether Dimma would admit that or acknowledge that, maybe it’s just a reflection piece for me, but I felt like Dimma became more like Trent than the other way around.”
Assessing Cotchin’s overall leadership, he is virtually in a league of his own if you ask Rance.
When you think of the best leaders of the modern era, the majority of people would probably mention Luke Hodge’s name right away.
The Hawthorn champion won three flags as skipper, as did Cotchin.
They both did it in their own way.
“Hodge was a ‘follow me’ type leader, bang your chest, Braveheart style,” Rance added.
“He was successful with those attributes.
“Compare that style to Trent’s. He was more vulnerable, nurturing, perhaps caring, and they both had similar success in their own different ways.”
Cotchin becomes just the sixth player in Richmond’s history to reach 300 games when he runs out against St Kilda at the MCG on Saturday night.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/16/the-influence-unflappable-cotchin-had-on-hardwick-in-richmonds-premiership/
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Trent Cotchin opens up ahead of his 300th game on his future, his journey and how he’s still “uncomfortable” with his Brownlow status
He’ll go down as one of the greatest ever Tigers, and ahead of his 300th game, former Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin reveals he’s still torn over whether this season will be his last.
Lauren Wood
HeraldSun
June 16, 2023
Trent Cotchin says his mind changes fortnightly on whether he’ll play on next year.
Cotchin, 33, had thought that the 2022 season would be his last, before signing a one-year contract for this season.
And he still hasn’t quite made up his mind on whether 2024 in the boots could be a reality.
“Honestly, every two weeks, it’s different in your head,” Cotchin said.
“But I also want to leave footy knowing I’m still contributing, and not be a piece of dead wood.
“But I’ll be the first person to put my hand up and say ‘there’s someone else that offers more than me in my role’.”
Of course, there’s talk of he and teammate Jack Riewoldt “smelling the roses” this year — what the end of the season could hold for both is yet to be seen.
But Cotchin’s 300th game – this Saturday night against St Kilda – comes after what has arguably been the most tumultuous three weeks of his 16 seasons at Richmond.
And while there’s been a few over his time, the departure of long-time coach Damien Hardwick last month, punctuated by teammate Marlion Pickett being hit with serious charges and premiership teammate Bachar Houli being involved in a serious car accident last Sunday night has marked a month Cotchin could never have imagined.
But there is one thing he has become sure of amid times of uncertainty.
“I think the hardest thing with all of those sort of things is most of the time, you don’t see them coming,” he said.
“But what we’ve established through our leadership – (president) John O’Rourke now, but Peggy (O’Neal) previously, Brendon (Gale), Dimma (Hardwick) at the time, Livo (football boss Tim Livingstone), (list boss) Blair (Hartley), (club advisor) Balmey (Neil Balme) … is just this insane level of stability.
“And just knowing that everything will be OK.
“I think there’s an element of confidence no matter what’s thrown at us that we’ll be OK, and we just need to work through it.”
Hardwick’s absence is felt this weekend, the former coach travelling in the United States after walking away from the game in May.
“I think there’s just a mutual appreciation for everything we’ve been through together,” Cotchin said.
“Obviously love everything about him and an extension of that is (Hardwick’s ex-wife) Danielle and the kids. They’ve been huge supporters of us as a family for a long period of time and it’d be nice to have him there.”
BAPTISM OF FIRE
Cotchin’s first experience of AFL football ended in vomit.
And it wasn’t his own.
His father, Peter, “hates crowds”, Cotchin revealed, meaning there weren’t many trips to watch his childhood team of Geelong in the action live.
“I didn’t go to a lot of footy as a kid, and in one of my first experiences, I got vomited on from the second tier,” he said.
“I think it was Geelong v North Melbourne and I copped vomit down the back of my shirt. So my first experience of AFL wasn’t ideal.
“But it didn’t change my love of the game. I started playing when I was four-and-a-half, so I’ve always loved it.”
Garry “Buddha” Hocking was his favourite player.
And when the Geelong great texted Cotchin some well-wishes this week, he was taken back to the kid from North Preston who loved the hoops.
“I just always admired that competitive spirit that he had … what I loved about the older game was the contest,” Cotchin said.
“IT’S STILL UNCOMFORTABLE”
Being referred to as a Brownlow medallist doesn’t sit well with Cotchin.
Amid the Essendon drugs saga, then-Bombers skipper Jobe Watson was stripped of the 2012 honour, handing back his medal in October 2016.
It was later that year – four years on from their stellar seasons – that Cotchin and now-Hawthorn senior coach Sam Mitchell were retrospectively awarded the 2012 medal at an official ceremony in Melbourne.
And another seven years later, things still don’t quite sit right.
“It’s still uncomfortable,” Cotchin admitted this week.
“Every time someone mentions I’m a Brownlow medallist, I do feel incredibly uncomfortable. Even on social media, some of the feedback (suggests that) … but I laugh at it, because I kind of semi-agree.”
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Cotchin’s three children Harper, Mackenzie and Parker. Picture: Michael Klein
He tried contacting Watson when it all happened. But the pair has never spoken about the matter.
“I’ve obviously seen him in the rooms now that he’s doing a bit of media,” Cotchin said.
“But we’ve never really discussed it.”
Cotchin had been just 22 when he delivered the 2012 season that remains his best.
He was vice-captain, then, and recalls a sense of stoicism in his game that went unmatched until late last season.
“It was more the insane confidence – knowing that you were going into every game feeling like you could beat the world,” he said of the eventual-Brownlow form.
“I remember feeling it for the back part of last year when I was playing high forward but as a mid, and probably played my best individual footy that I had for a few years, really, from a stats point of view. But it’s a long time ago now.”
THE RESIGNATION
Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt sat in St Rose cafe in Essendon late in 2016 and had all but resigned themselves to the fact that they would never taste premiership success.
The Tigers had finished 13th, there’d been an attempt at a board coup, and an internal review that – ultimately – backed in then-senior coach Damien Hardwick.
Everyone was coming for Richmond.
And for Cotchin and Riewoldt, it had felt like time to start watering the green shoots that were beginning to flourish around them rather than their own backyards.
“The chat was about our journey and not knowing when it would come to an end and probably almost that acceptance that we wouldn’t get to taste premiership success, but how can we give every other player that is going to come after us the best opportunity to do so?,” Cotchin recalled.
“It was effectively just shifting I to ‘we’, and realising that we could still play a role from an individual performance point of view, but how could we hugely impact the group?
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Riewoldt and Cotchin had all but resigned themselves to never tasting premiership success.
“Obviously our forward line was so young, particularly in 2017, but Jack really took that role to a new level and the way that he put his arms around the Buts (Dan Butler), the Riolis (Daniel), the Jason Castagnas, a whole host of people who were undersized but we found a way.”
He’d been “a loner-type leader”, Cotchin admits, and overhauled his own approach after hitting what he has previously described as “rock bottom” at the end of that year.
As the pair’s coffees cooled on Essendon’s Rose Street, there was talk of the past and the future and what could come next, and how the club could shift from celebrating players for “what they did, more than what they couldn’t do”.
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Little did they know what would come in the years that followed. Picture: Getty Images
What couldn’t be forecast was what would happen less than 12 months later – then again another 12 months after that, and then again in 2020.
Cotchin can still only shake his head – still seemingly disbelieving even years later.
“It’s just still so bizarre to think that over the next four years, we’d win three,” he said.
GREEN TO GREY
Cotchin’s playing CV isn’t the only thing that looks very different to that of the Northern Knights young gun who first walked into Punt Road as a teenager.
His then-shaggy hair is now sharp with a crisp fade – with a few additions the “lucky” former captain has welcomed along the way.
He uses that word a lot.
“There’s lots of grey hair, now, but lots of memories that come with that,” he laughs.
“When you reflect, you feel incredibly grateful for everything, really.”
Jack Riewoldt says his mate is “the soul of the golden era”.
Their fellow 300-gamer Shane Edwards calls his former skipper “the classiest tough guy ever”.
But before Cotchin had even played one game – let alone dreamed of 300 – he was on the injury list, hit by an Achilles complaint in just his second run as a Tiger.
The end of 2007 a lifetime ago, he sat this week in the club’s Maurice Rioli room as children Harper, Mackenzie and Parker ran riot, their dad lauded as just the sixth Richmond player to reach the milestone.
It’s not lost on him, having arrived at the historic ground as just a kid himself.
“I’ve spent half of my life at the Richmond footy club,” Cotchin said.
“And then for half of that time, Harper’s been alive. It does go bloody quick.
“I think about every retirement speech from literally the day that I go here. And every one I reckon has said ‘time goes so quickly’. I was like ‘pfft’.
“But when you do get to the end, it feels like it was only yesterday that you walked in the doors.”
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It’s been one heck of a ride that Cotchin says has flown by. Picture: Michael Klein
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He shouldn’t feel uncomfortably m. Brownlow is for best and FAIREST player and that’s what he was that season. He was also club b&f, all Australian, AFLCA player of the year and won some media player of the year awards on top of that from memory. Was well and truly deserving.
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Tomorrow night, it's a massive occasion to celebrate an icon of our Club 🌟 [Narrated by Jack Riewoldt]
WATCH: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1669646498131509248
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🫶 @tcotchin9's nearest and dearest send their love ahead of his milestone match.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1669623181878132737
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The two sides of Trent Cotchin, the skipper who saved Richmond
As Trent Cotchin celebrates his 300th game, former teammates recall tales of the champion Tiger's brilliant career
By Sarah Black
afl.com.au
17 June 2023
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MUCH has been written about Richmond's dynasty of late, following the departure of coach Damien Hardwick.
But the Tigers equation is not balanced without former skipper Trent Cotchin.
Cotchin – who on Saturday night becomes just the sixth Richmond player to reach the 300-milestone mark – is inextricably linked with the club's rise and revolution.
He was the rudder that steered the triple-premiership run, through the crashing waves of history, doubt and sheer Richmondy-ness.
When Tiger fans think back to Cotchin after his eventual retirement, there's every chance they'll remember his trademark hunt for the ball, somehow always lowering himself a centimetre closer to the ground than his opponent in quest of the footy.
It's a quality that's long been part of his DNA.
As part of their stint with the AFL Academy prior to being drafted, Cotchin and fellow 2007 draftee Addam Maric spent some time training with Richmond.
A particular pre-season training session still lingers in former teammate Shane Edwards' mind, 17 years later.
"We were at the beach, and there were five footballs out in front of us, with six players competing. You'd start on the line, you'd have to go and get a footy and the one that didn't was out," Edwards told AFL.com.au.
"We did it with the whole team, and obviously us young guys, we lost pretty quickly, we were just pushed out of the way.
"And 16-year-old Trent Cotchin won the whole thing. I remember he beat Nathan Foley in the grand final, he pushed him out and beat him to it. And it was like, 'oh my god, this guy is unbelievable. He's a year younger than us, and he's just won an AFL sprint and bodywork contest.'
"That was the first time I was like, 'Trent Cotchin, that guy's going to be an absolute superstar.' I suppose luckily or unluckily, we finished second-bottom and got him in the draft the next year, and it was like the saviour had come.
"I watched him his whole under-18 year. His name was pretty mythical amongst all the draft buzz, it was him and Matty Kreuzer, and we played Carlton, with one of us going to finish bottom. Fortunately, they finished last, we picked 'Cotch', and he was one of our best players almost straight away, and was one of our most mature players as well.
"It was an exciting time at the club. We were horrible on the field, but we had this guy who was clearly going to be our next captain one day."
Cotchin's early maturity is something that comes up time and time again.
He was acting captain at 20, and given the reins outright at just 22, taking over from Chris Newman in 2013, just as the Tigers were about to hit their three-elimination final stint.
"My first impression of Trent was a very mature young man. He also liked to have a laugh and a bit of fun, but he was mature and very clear in what he believed in as a person," retired teammate Ivan Maric said.
"We spent a lot of time together. During my first year at Richmond, we roomed together in Arizona (on a pre-season trip), and I'd pick him up before most games, as we lived near each other.
"We built a really good relationship, really deep friendship. I'd probably say 75 per cent of the time we'd talk about life, and 25 per cent about footy. We'd spend some good time trying to get the team better, but a lot of the time we'd just talk about life outside.
"Bachar Houli was always there too, and we're all similar guys who just enjoy the simple things. You'd have to confirm with Trent, but for me, I think that he thinks family is number one, and footy comes second, which is the way it should be."
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale was asked about Cotchin's impact at the club at a press conference earlier this week.
Gale stood still for a moment, leant on his lectern, and thought. He didn't rush his answer.
"Oh wow. Where do you start? It's incredible, what an incredible player he's been. His growth as a leader has mirrored the growth of the club. He's redefined leadership. He's obviously a three-time premiership captain. He's broken all sorts of records.
"And when I look back at Trent and I look back at the biggest games and the biggest moments when the whips are cracking, and I look at some of those big plays, that maybe some people don't notice the big tackles, the blocks, that he's right there amongst the thick of that.
"He's just been an incredible servant of footy club and we're so lucky, we couldn't have asked for a better captain over the last decade or so."
The hashtag #Cotch300 has been doing the rounds of Tiger Twitter this week, and what is most striking is the sheer number of favourite in-game moments.
A tackle on Rhys Stanley at the opening bounce of the second half of the 2019 preliminary final that kickstarted the Tigers' comeback.
His first kick: a crumb and goal against Geelong at a sodden MCG back in 2008.
A 35-disposal, three-goal game against the Western Bulldogs in what would turn out to be his Brownlow medal-winning year of 2012.
The spin out of the pack and goal against – you guessed it, the Cats – in the 2017 qualifying final.
Bringing down the fearsome Shane Mumford in the opening two minutes of the 2019 Grand Final, and his skipping goal celebration later that game after the broad expanses of the MCG opened up to him.
Charging in front of all 100kg of a leading Lance Franklin with a full head of steam in order to spoil the footy in a stock-standard home-and-away match against the Swans.
Carrying a hobbled Daniel Rioli around the MCG on his shoulders in the 2017 premiership lap of honour.
Maric is now the Tigers' ruck coach after spending six years on Richmond's list, and has seen first-hand the impact Cotchin can have on games with a single action.
"The feeling it gave people, when you'd see him do that tackle we needed, it gave us energy," Maric said.
"It was a short-circuit for everyone to realise that was what we needed to do. That's where his lead by example comes from.
"I still get that feeling even though I'm not playing anymore."
There are two clips that sum up the dichotomy of Trent Cotchin.
The first was from the aftermath of the breakthrough 2017 qualifying final win, the victorious skipper cleaning up the changerooms after the club's first finals victory since 2001.
Where once that would have indicated Cotchin's nearly self-destructive strive for perfection, it's now balanced out by the second video.
Pre-game footage from a practice game in 2019 caught Cotchin inexplicably wearing a milk crate on his head, handballing the footy to himself and chatting to Jack Riewoldt, who didn't bat an eyelid.
"He was the most mature 17-year-old, just perfect, and was more mature than I am now at 35. But has this really immature side that rears its head every now and then where he just lets loose, he's a kid and can be really silly," former housemate Edwards said.
"The only movies he'd ever watch had Adam Sandler in them, if Adam Sandler wasn't in it, he wasn't interested in borrowing it.
"And the only music he'd listen to would be Kings of Leon, because he could sing it. We used to carpool to training and anytime it was on, he'd sing, and he'd always start a little bit earlier than the music, and finish a little bit later, so everyone could hear his voice. I'm not sure he can sing anything else."
The 2016 season was tough for the club. Underperforming, under pressure, and challenges coming from all angles, with Cotchin's leadership in particular scrutinised by some in the media.
What happened next changed the course of the long-suffering Tigers, and resulted in three premierships and a preliminary final in four years.
Cotchin embraced imperfection and silliness, and his actions as captain encouraged others to do the same, fostering an environment that eventuated in Jack Higgins cracking nonsensical gags at three-quarter time despite the game being on the line.
The relaxation and the joy of simply playing footy was infectious throughout the club for that magical four-year period, but it took a very brave public acknowledgement to kick it off.
It was something he'd discussed at length during those pre-game car trips with Maric, but to which the wider playing group had not necessarily been privy.
"All things point to the end of 2016, and the start of the 2017 preseason. 'Cotch' got up in front and was extremely vulnerable for a captain, I hadn't heard a captain talk like that before, about his insecurities, about leading, the challenges that he had faced over the period of being captain," Edwards said.
"He's not just saying it to get it off his chest, and that's what he might have thought it was, but he inspired me – and I've known him his whole time at Richmond – to follow better, not just, 'he's Cotch, he's the captain and he can do it all.'
"You can easily fall into that, with someone who's such a good player and so stable off-field, you just look at him like a safety net. But it actually made me want to help and that I can spread what he's preaching, that I can help make his job easier.
"Imagine if 'Cotch' did the same stuff, but he didn't have to carry the baggage of the whole club.
"That's what happened when he stood up in front of us. He was vulnerable and shed a tear and it was a realisation of 'our captain's human'. I feel like that might have been a turning point. All the stuff afterwards might have happened anyway, but that's something I really remember, as seeing him as actually human, not just a person who's absolutely built to captain and play well on the weekend."
On-field, the three-time best and fairest's game has evolved over his 16-year career.
Achilles trouble plagued his first few seasons, but the glimpses of his hunched, Gary Ablett jnr-like burst from stoppages indicated the Tigers had a special player on their hands.
The 2012 season saw him rack up disposals and kick goals (a career-high 21) for fun, retrospectively receive the Brownlow Medal and win the AFLCA award.
The sheer number of touches has gradually come down over time – he even came under scrutiny for the impact of his disposals when the Tigers ran with a very safe, chip-backwards game plan in the mid-2010s – and his output has shifted, as greater midfield support has been brought in around him.
The emergence of Dustin Martin as the best player in the competition for a period also took the pressure off Cotchin to be "the" match-winner.
Richmond's changing game style suited Cotchin's strengths – the knock-ons, the one-percenters, the unrelenting ferocity around the contest in order to move the ball forward at all costs.
Cotchin plays on the edge, and it's endeared him to supporters over the years, and definitely got under the skin of opposition fans.
But it's a costly way to play the game, and the soft-tissue injuries and knocks and bruises have mounted for the 33-year-old over the years.
He stood down from the captaincy at the end of 2021, passing the torch onto Dylan Grimes and Toby Nankervis.
"I'm not putting a ceiling on anything," Cotchin told reporters on Thursday.
"Jack (Riewoldt) and I have had plenty of conversations this year where it's just about smelling the roses and enjoying each moment.
"We've shared moments where we just look at each other and we know that's a time to take in and celebrate and be present.
"You can get caught up in all the hoo-haa around what's next but I'm really just trying to celebrate what is right now."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/950900/the-two-sides-of-trent-cotchin-the-skipper-who-saved-richmond
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Brownlow form. He keeps this up he can sign for another 4 years
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Turning back the clock tonight and isn't it freaking awesome?
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Amazing game. True legend and champion
I’m so glad we could win for him :gotigers
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Superb in the wet
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Gotta admit I shed a tear. What a journey its been with Cotch and Dimma. Going to be hard to say goodbye when he retires.
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What a star. At one of the kids footy clinics at Punt Road just before COVID, Cotch came up and chatted to my nephew and I afterwards. He gave young James a hair toussle, too. James is playing his first club game tomorrow, so I'm a bit of a proud aunty at the moment (well, always). Anyway, he's been touched by the hand of Cotch, so he's going to go great. :)
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If these last 2 games are what happens when you play him in the middle where he belongs, then I’m not so sure he’s done like most of us were thinking about a month ago.
So glad I got to watch his 300th in person, got drenched standing by the boundary applauding him getting chaired off but was 1000% worth it. Absolute immortal of our club :bow :bow :bow
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'Cotch' winds back the clock
It was always going to be a big night for Trent Cotchin as the club celebrated his 300th game, but the guest of honour wasn't about to sit back and leave the work to everyone else. Cotchin came out with a spring in his step reminiscent of his youth and had 19 disposals and two goals to half-time, his first savoured by everyone wearing yellow and black at the 'G. The 33-year-old finished with 29 disposals, on the back of 28 last round, suggesting he isn’t going to leave anything in the tank when he finally calls it quits … whenever that may be.
29 disposals (18k, 11h, 15c, 13u, 65.5% eff.)
4 marks (1 contested mark)
5 tackles
5 clearances (4 centre clearances)
5 inside 50s
491 metres gained
7 intercepts
7 score involvements
2 goals
1 behind
71% time on ground
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/951473/cotch-a-star-champ-shines-as-tigers-sink-saints-in-wet)
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:thumbsup
An iconic scene (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f49b.svg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy0xhnjakAILGtH?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1670045496336080896
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What a champion,
Had a bit of a chuckle reading the first few pages of this thread.
Lucky we didn’t pick Kreuzer.
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not the popular opinion on here going back a few weeks ago but he deserves and should get another year. Has played more good games than not.
would rather cotch than HRS any day.
Dead set champion
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I thought he was cooked - but over the past month he has shown what a champion he is.
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not the popular opinion on here going back a few weeks ago but he deserves and should get another year. Has played more good games than not.
would rather cotch than HRS any day.
Dead set champion
Been feeling the same, also about Jack.
If we do it then we would need to be finding replacements and aiming to only play them 12-15 games IMO
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Considering our shyte draft hand it might well be prudent to hold off on all the retirements for one more year. :shh
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"It's the best game I've seen him play in over 12 months." - Matthew Lloyd
The Andrew McQualter move that helped Trent Cotchin get back to his best for his 300th – and the man who enjoyed the milestone more than anyone else... (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f440.svg) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f609.svg)
Click on pic/link to watch:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/CotchinRevitalisedR142023.png)[/img] (https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1670224553233219584)
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1670224553233219584
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HOW INTERIM COACH MCQUALTER HAS REVITALISED 300-GAMER COTCHIN
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
18 June 2023
Richmond great Trent Cotchin starred in his 300th game on Saturday night helping the Tigers to a 90-70 win over the Saints at the MCG.
In his best statistical outing this year, Cotchin collected 29 disposals, kicked two goals and had five clearances.
After starting the year as a half forward, the 33-year-old has moved back on-ball under interim coach Andrew McQualter which has seen him recapture some of his best footy.
Having attended zero centre bounces against Essendon in Round 10 and Port Adelaide in Round 11, Damien Barrett highlighted a stat that shows Cotchin has attended an average of 18.6 centre bounces across the last three weeks.
He discussed Cotchin’s uptick in form and changed role with Matthew Lloyd on Nine’s Sunday Footy Show.
Lloyd: “It’s the best game I’ve seen him play in over 12 months.
“Damo you wanted to highlight a statistic?”
Barrett: “I do because that Essendon game was the last one Damien Hardwick coached.
“Then you’ve got the Port Adelaide game which was the first of Andrew McQualter’s reign and he continued what was happening there.
“But for the past three matches, which have resulted in Richmond wins, he has been back to doing what he does best in the middle.”
Lloyd: “That’s what coaches do, make the mistake of taking players away (from their preferred role).
“I can understand Damien Hardwick doing what he was doing, maybe he thought the game has gone past Trent and needing to develop others like (Tim) Taranto and (Jacob) Hopper.
“But maybe Hopper’s injury has allowed him (Cotchin) to go back in there (the midfield).
“He looks right at home.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/18/how-interim-coach-mcqualter-has-revitalised-300-gamer-cotchin/
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So does he stay in the guts when Hopper returns? :shh
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I can see why he won’t be part of the rotation schedule, but it’s not my call
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So does he stay in the guts when Hopper returns? :shh
I feel like one of dusty and Bolton should always be in the middle as they provide that break away acceleration that our other mids don’t provide. Then the other 2 spots are rotated between TT, Hopper, Prestia and Cotch.
That’s a 6 mid rotation. Surely that’s no different to the number other clubs are running.
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Short is out of there now and back in defense.
I think it's obvious:
Taranto/Hopper
Cotchin/Prestia
Bolton/Martin
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Short is out of there now and back in defense.
I think it's obvious:
Taranto/Hopper
Cotchin/Prestia
Bolton/Martin
So you have named our best 6 onballers. Cotchin continues to be comfortably in that top 6 when we play him as a mid. Problems arise when we play blokes in other roles trying to fit them into the team including Cotchin and Dusty this year. Goes without saying there are what 6 or so other mids at least needing a game and far too often we dont play em as mids but in other roles taking games away from kids who are specialists in those roles.
It has not just been a problem this year either.
Imo we have taken a course, not just Hardwick but McQualter as well where nothing but a flag will suffice with the direction we have taken in this.
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Trent Cotchin's Perfect Contradiction
https://guywholikessport.wixsite.com/guywholikessport/post/trent-cotchin-s-perfect-contradiction
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Short is out of there now and back in defense.
I think it's obvious:
Taranto/Hopper
Cotchin/Prestia
Bolton/Martin
So you have named our best 6 onballers. Cotchin continues to be comfortably in that top 6 when we play him as a mid. Problems arise when we play blokes in other roles trying to fit them into the team including Cotchin and Dusty this year. Goes without saying there are what 6 or so other mids at least needing a game and far too often we dont play em as mids but in other roles taking games away from kids who are specialists in those roles.
It has not just been a problem this year either.
Imo we have taken a course, not just Hardwick but McQualter as well where nothing but a flag will suffice with the direction we have taken in this.
Just trying to work out the problem here.
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Champ needs a rest to recover and recharge the batteries.
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Going by commentary on yesterdays game Reckon 4 of his last 5 have been ordinary.Would give him a rest. Time to give another lets say Sonsie or god forbid Dow a decent game.
That won't happen though they will rush Short back in for him. The kids can rot away in the two's.
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Came across this fact today, @tcotchin9 will break record for games played in the number 9 guernsey this weekend.
The former @Richmond_FC skipper is currently tied on 305 with Hawks legend Shane Crawford.
https://twitter.com/VFebbo96/status/1686569912020656128
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McQualter said in his presser that Cotch won't play tomorrow night. 5 day break and he is a bit sore. Will play the following week against the Saints.
Source: RFC website.
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Good call- he is almost done the champ.
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Our man has just announced his retirement at seasons end
Thank you so much for everything Cotch
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The right call. Deserves some wins to cap it all off
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Looking forward to his last 7 games.
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He has and is a champion, leader , player and person. A three time premiership captain and a Brownlow medalist!
I hope he coaches at Richmond on day.
Best wishes in anything he does
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Certainly one of the all time greats. What a leader and player and how lucky were we to have him :clapping
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Certainly one of the all time greats. What a leader and player and how lucky were we to have him :clapping
Thankfully Carltank took Kreuzer
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Here is Cotch's speech to his teammates and the rest of the Club:
Watch here: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1400023/-i-found-my-life-purpose-at-richmond-cotchin
And his media presser:
Watch here: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1400196/i-m-excited-i-m-at-peace-with-it-cotchin
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Tigers triple premiership captain Trent Cotchin to retire at end of season
Marnie Vinall
The Age
August 10, 2023
“I accept reality and that my chapter has come to an end. My body is somewhat slowing down and is older than it once was,” said Cotchin.
“I found my life purpose at Richmond. I look to the future with nothing but excitement, adventure, and opportunity, because of what I found here at Richmond and what Richmond people taught me.
“Finding out that creating an environment to help other realise and fulfil their potential not only inspired me but helped me to overcome my own fears.
“I found the move from ‘I’ to ‘we’ and that to be interested not interesting was so much more fun. I learned the power to dream big at Richmond, to say why not me. Why not us? And why not now.
“I have always given my best and left no stone unturned, in my dads words. I have strived to make every post a winner.”
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Richmond CEO Brendon Gale said Cotchin had contributed to the history of the club and the game and that his leadership stood up in big moments, including the club’s recent three premierships.
“Obviously, Trent has achieved so much as a player. However, it is the power and impact of his leadership that has impressed me the most,” Gale said.
“After being appointed captain in 2012 at 22 years, Trent in his own way and through his own experience redefined leadership at our club. His renewed focus on self-understanding, self-acceptance, care, and connection was instrumental in unlocking the full potential of our players and team.”
“Amongst all the madness and mayhem, in the heat of battle, with the stakes at their highest, Trent so often recognised the moments that mattered and remained completely connected with his performance.
“Through the power of his leadership he so often tipped the scales our way, and we will thank him for that forever.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-triple-premiership-captain-trent-cotchin-to-retire-at-end-of-season-20230810-p5dvdi.html
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2023/08/09/9bdd84c2-2848-4af1-8ca5-11c539c0d330/CotchinRetirement.png?width=860&height=484)
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2023/08/10/72f7c071-5247-4a1a-9067-1845e444935b/PUDHmwyd.jpg?width=1240)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/
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We should sell the joint out next week against Norf in his last game at the G.
Maybe the club should work on this rather than sending out emails about Cotch merchandise
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Highlights: The Best of Cotch:
Click on pic/link to watch:
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2023/08/10/4a70d421-65d9-41e1-af49-0a109b9cba34/IleJ6dcv.jpg?width=451&height=268) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1399954/trent-cotchin-highlights)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1399954/trent-cotchin-highlights
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Trust us to screw the Nort game for him I was fuming when we loss to dees who we're useless for Hafey.
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Thank you Cotch. Brilliant leader. Champion footballer. All time Great. Good luck in retirement. Hopefully win North game for him.
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When I think of Cotch I just think leadership.
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'Memories I'll cherish forever' - Cotchin
WATCH HERE: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1400370/-memories-i-ll-cherish-forever-cotchin
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A sad day :( but also a thankful one.
Thanks Cotch for everything you've done for the RFC and the joy you've brought to us Tiger supporters. You will forever be a Tiger legend! :bow
Having seen Cotchin play it's hard to disagree with anything in the articles about him today. The bit about bringing teammates into play is so true. The kid has footy-smarts and has the slick skills to back those smarts up :thumbsup. A no-brainer IMO and as HT74 says he actually wants to play for us. What more do we want with our first pick ???.
Still remember going to Princes Park to watch Cotch in the U18s Champs. He stood out then. 16 years later and our dreams all came true and more. Thanks, Champ! :clapping
Favourite Cotch moment is 'that' goal in the 2017 QF:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/CotchinGoalQF2017.gif)
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Yeh that was pretty special
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There’s too many great moments. That goal. His goal on the run and his celebration against gws in 19 GF. The tackle on Mumford. The tackle on Stanley. And basically every possession and clearance he had in 2012.
An absolute jet. I’m glad we at least won the game for him in 300.
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Thanks Cotch
They say a persons impact on a footy club is measured by what it is like when you leave.
Is it a better place or not?
Our footy club is much better place for having Cotch being a part of it.
His legacy is profound so much of that words don't do it justice
Tiger champion, amazing Captain and just a really good bloke
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What a champion! A brilliant individual player who sacrificed his own game and the individual plaudits that come with it for the betterment of the team. 3 premierships later and he can ride off into the sunset as a Richmond immortal :bow :bow :bow
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Trent Cotchin retirement brings up tributes from Matthew Kreuzer, Neil Balme
As an undersized junior Trent Cotchin had no choice in the way he was going to play his football. And when he found his true self, it helped create a golden era for the Tigers.
Josh Barnes
HeraldSun
August 11, 2023
Just over two decades ago in Albury, Trent Cotchin was a tiny kid playing above his age, and he was the hardest boy on the field.
Long before he would become a Richmond legend – a classy midfielder who became the tough edge of a premiership dynasty – Cotchin met his Victorian teammate Matthew Kreuzer when their families stayed at the same holiday park during an under-12 schoolboys carnival.
A handful of years later, Kreuzer was the ruck prize claimed by Carlton with the No.1 pick in the 2007 draft and his good mate Cotchin went to Richmond with the very next choice.
“The thing with Trent was he always played that age group above (because he was born in April), so he was always the youngest out there and he was small,” Kreuzer recalled.
“He was one of those kids growing up, he was very competitive. No matter what it was, just mucking around wrestling, maybe it was because he was smaller, he was so competitive.
“When he grew up a bit and got stronger, you could see it in the way he played his footy and attacked it, he didn’t like losing and he would certainly crack in.”
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The top three picks in the 2007 draft: Trent Cotchin, Matthew Kreuzer and Chris Masten.
Cotchin, who announced on Thursday he would retire at the end of this season as the only Richmond player to captain three premierships, was a smooth accumulator until he saw the light.
From 2017 onwards, as the Tigers found themselves, he returned to that tough, ball hunter that impressed Kreuzer back in Albury.
“I was always tiny as a junior, I didn’t grow until I was 13 or 14 (years old) so there was only one option – to be in and under,” Cotchin said.
“I was never going to mark the footy and I still can’t, so, yeah, I think that is kind of where it comes from.”
A TIGER CHAMPION
TRENT COTCHIN FACT FILE
* Games: 305, goals: 141
* Drafted: No.2, 2007 AFL Draft
* Premiership captain: 2017, 2019, 2020
* Brownlow Medal: 2012
* All-Australian: 2012
* Jack Dyer Medal (Richmond best-and-fairest): 2011, 2012, 2014
* Richmond captain: 2013-2021 (188 games, club record)
* Equal most games in No.9 jumper in VFL/AFL history (tied with Shane Crawford)
* Most tackles, clearances, contested possessions and handballs in Richmond history
At his retirement press conference, young son Parker dropped a footy on the floor and for a moment Cotchin glanced at it, muscle memory demanding he dive on the loose ball.
Judging by the skills of his three kids kicking the ball on Punt Road Oval after the media dispersed, the apple hasn’t fallen far.
“If you saw these three bananas (my kids) running around you would see they are a bit kamikaze,” Cotchin said.
“I think it is just the way I am programmed and we are programmed.”
Legendary Richmond figure Neil Balme returned to Punt Road in October 2016, just as Cotchin and the Tigers were digging themselves out of a famous hole.
The long-time administrator saw Cotchin wear that hard edge on the weekends as he became softer off the field, learning to be himself on both sides of the white line.
“He rediscovered himself and said, ‘This is who I really am’,” Balme said.
“Rather than trying to be some tough (guy) he realised, ‘This is who I am and this is what I am going to do’, and he was a better player for it and he was a better teammate because he was who he was.
“Sometimes that is the way it is because it is belief in what you do and commitment to what you do and being happier in what you do. So, you are a bit tougher on the field because that is what he believed in. The other way, you are sort of fighting against yourself.”
Kreuzer agreed that hardman persona had “always been in him” even as he labelled Cotchin as “a ripper bloke” who would take time out of every day to check in on his mates.
As the ruckman battled injuries and a lack of success at Carlton, he watched on proudly as his mate led Richmond back into powerhouse status, blasting away the past in 2017.
“It was good to see because obviously they had been through some tough times and they copped a fair bit of flak and he obviously copped a bit of flak as well, so for him to come out and do what he did, he really shut them up in a way,” Kreuzer said.
Cotchin found it hard to split the 2017 and 2020 triumphs as his favourite.
His top moment on field will undoubtedly be a late goal in the 2017 qualifying final, spinning through a pack and finishing on his left to lock in Richmond’s first win in a final in 16 years.
Even Balme sighed wistfully when the moment was raised on Thursday.
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Trent Cotchin leaves a huge legacy at Tigerland. Picture: Michael Klein.
Cotchin said he wasn’t completely sure whether he would stay in football after this season ends and has little interest in coaching.
A grumbly calf ruled him out of playing this weekend and he will “suck it and see” to play one last time at the MCG against North Melbourne in round 23.
Balme, who has seen just about everything at Richmond since his debut as a player in 1970, said the playing group was “really moved” by Cotchin’s speech on Thursday morning, when he told his teammates he was retiring.
The Tigers legend put Cotchin right up alongside the greats of a bygone eras at Punt Road.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.
And as for filling the hole left by Cotchin?
“It is not easy to do as a club, but we will, because we did replace Francis Bourke ultimately,” Balme said.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-trent-cotchin-retirement-brings-up-tributes-from-matthew-kreuzer-neil-balme/news-story/da887b217ca61675ad0ecb7f76615e64
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Thanks legend :bow
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Trent Cotchin is set to play his 306th – and final game – for Richmond on Saturday afternoon with the Tiger Army to be given one last chance to publicly farewell one of their favourite sons.
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https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1691054622595772416
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-will-not-travel-to-adelaide-for-round-24-clash-with-port/news-story/0e3f50a57f1e3864b31886b0c3eb514e
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Trent Cotchin comes clean on suffering hidden ‘panic attack’ before 2017 AFL finals series
The former Tigers skipper has given an ‘amazing admission’ on a pre-finals moment that no one knew about.
Harrison Reid
Seven
6 September 2023
Three-time Richmond premiership captain Trent Cotchin was as stoic and inspirational a leader as we have seen in recent AFL memory.
But even the 306-game Tigers legend can was capable of a humanising moment of panic during his decorated career.
By the time he hung the boots up, Cotchin had led Richmond into seven finals series, four preliminary finals and three premierships.
But on the eve of his fourth finals series in 2017, dark thoughts started to creep into Cotchin’s mind, he told Channel 7’s Talking Finals.
“Playing (Geelong) in the 2017 qualifying final, it’s probably relative to what some of the captains would be feeling this week,” Cotchin explained on the show’s Tuesday night debut.
“I’d had three finals series previously, unsuccessful, I hadn’t really performed individually … and coming out of the meeting, I had this panic attack; a little bit of anxiety, started to stress that I had never beaten Geelong in my whole career over ten years, what if that doesn’t go quite right, what if I don’t touch the footy?
“I started telling myself all these stories. So, I called my life coach, Ben Crowe and sat down and settled the nerves.
“I think it’s one of those things that you never want to show anyone or tell anyone, but it’s amazing what the psyche of finals and footy can do to any individual.”
The combative midfielder would go on to lead his side to a crushing 51-point victory over the Cats in the qualifying final before suffocating the GWS Giants in front one of the most one-sided preliminary final crowds in AFL history, and eventually upsetting minor premiers Adelaide in a historic grand final.
“That is an amazing admission from you because you have all of these young players who will be playing in this last month of football that don’t have the experience like you, but nerves and anxiety can attack anyone at anytime, can’t they?” Tim Watson responded.
Cotchin added: “They certainly can. I had been tagged in two of those (previous finals series) and I felt like that is what was creating the pressure. I knew I wouldn’t be tagged on the Friday against the Cats because there was a lot of other players you would tag before me.
“But you can tag a player, but not a captain, and I knew there was lots of things that I could control that would impact the game that wasn’t necessarily kicks, marks and handballs.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-comes-clean-on-suffering-hidden-panic-attack-before-2017-afl-finals-series-c-11814943
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Trent Cotchin, who retired after his farewell match in round 23, has stepped away from Richmond after 16 years at Punt Road.
The 33-year-old has found a new role in professional sport with National Basketball League club South East Melbourne Phoenix, which has announced Cotchin as its new No.1 ticket holder.
Cotchin will also engage with the basketball outfit's high-performance team as a leadership consultant.
"It's definitely something that I'm really passionate about and the club is really excited about," Cotchin said.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1031171/retired-tigers-great-trent-cotchin-backs-andrew-mcqualter-for-top-job).
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Watching program with him and Joel Selwood, both champion blokes.
Both inspirational captains anyone would go to the wire for.
For me Joel looks and speaks better, but Cotchin has something extra special,
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Don't miss @tcotchin9's 'From the Heart' book signing session at the Roar Store on Saturday, November 4 ✍️
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1715504750722953223
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How Trent Cotchin’s selfless act could have changed Tiger history
Trent Cotchin on the quirks of footy, his relationship with Dusty and how the Covid hub nearly broke him and his family.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/family-footy-and-the-scariest-moment-of-his-life-trent-cotchin-tells-all/news-story/8545955fc7b5547c616ec9062f2cf47e
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AFL great Trent Cotchin’s heartbreaking wife confession
HeraldSun
October 21, 2023 - 3:13PM
Richmond premiership captain Trent Cotchin has revealed heartbreaking details about wife Brooke’s suicide fears.
The popular lifestyle influencer recently opened up on the moment she thought about taking her own life in the aftermath of her highly-publicised COVID-19 breach in 2020.
The 33-year-old footballer has now described the traumatic episode as the “scariest moment of his life”.
Cotchin, a three-time premiership captain, Brownlow Medallist, and three-time Jack Dyer Medal winner, is sharing new private details about his life off the field in a new autobiography, From The Heart.
His revelations include his fears that Brooke may not have returned from a drive during the family’s 2020 rollercoaster.
Brooke Cotchin travelled to the Sunshine State at the time with her three children to support her husband as Covid-19 restrictions forced players and their families into a quarantined bubble in Queensland to ensure the season could go ahead.
However, she triggered a huge fine for the Tigers when she was busted breaking the AFL’s strict biosecurity protocols after posting a photo to Instagram of her visit to a day spa on the Gold Coast.
The visit was in breach of the isolation hub that players and clubs agreed to as part of the deal with the Queensland Government that saw Victorian clubs relocate up north.
Brooke was viciously slammed for the code breach, with many critics suggesting it was reflective of a sense of entitlement among well-paid footy stars and their partners.
It took a heartbreaking toll on her personally.
“I kept saying to Trent, the only reason — it sounds extreme — but the only reason I didn’t kill myself was because of my kids,’’ Brooke told the Curious Conversations podcast in 2021.
“That’s my thing with the media and I don’t think they realise how damaging they can be.
“I suppose you get painted as this person that you’re not and you’ve got no control so you just have to deal with it.”
Her husband now says there was one particular moment when he feared she may have never come back to him — or the couple’s three children, Harper, Mackenzie and Parker.
“2020 was my most challenging period as a husband and a partner,” he told The Saturday Herald Sun.
“Brooke was torn, she didn’t want me to leave the (Richmond) boys, but she also knew that our family wellbeing was the absolute priority.
“(When she went out driving) she wouldn’t answer, I didn’t know where she was. I couldn’t track her down. I honestly wasn’t sure if she was coming back to us.
“It was the scariest moment of my life. I genuinely thought she might try to harm herself.
“I have never been more relieved in my life when Brooke finally came back.”
Brooke said in 2021 she didn’t get out of bed for days while battling her mental health at the time and struggled to accept support from family who couldn’t be there with her.
Despite the private issues, Cotchin led the Tigers to a famous premiership that year, beating Geelong in the grand final in Brisbane.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-great-trent-cotchins-heartbreaking-wife-confession/news-story/5aa8d005247c3407175c488d9b0e632c
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No comment
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That is a comment buddy
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That is a comment buddy
Exactly
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That is a comment buddy
Exactly
You're a grub. :thumbsdown
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Yep. Atrocious comment, very poor form.
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Back to the topic ppl.
From The Heart: Trent Cotchin reveals the moment he knew something was up with Damien Hardwick
In the wake of Richmond’s loss to Essendon this year, Trent Cotchin witnessed a Damien Hardwick tirade like never before. A day later, he quit. The premiership skipper tells his story.
Trent Cotchin
HeraldSun
October 22, 2023
We looked ahead to the Dreamtime game (this year) with Essendon with confidence – it was always one of the best weeks of the year, listening to the stories of our brothers. But while the lead-in to the game was good, the outcome was more of a nightmare than anything else.
When Dusty (Martin) kicked the first goal of the last quarter, we led by 18 points, and that should have been the end of it. But we allowed Essendon to control the ball through uncontested marks and we didn’t defend well. Sam Durham kicked the match-winning goal at the 28-minute mark, putting them one point ahead.
We had blown it.
That led to one of the most unusual post-matches we had ever seen from Dimma. His response was different to any other game I played in.
He was filthy and cutting with his comments to the group and about the opposition. In an angry meeting in the rooms after the game, he referred to us as “putrid” and said the way some of us had played meant he would just get “another c--- to replace us”.
He pointed to the Essendon team that was displayed on the white board and said, “To be honest with you, I reckon this team is a bunch of spuds, and you aren’t even as good as they are.”
His spray had much more to do with us than his assessment of the Bombers. Upon reflection I’m not even sure he knew what he had said.
He was quite rattled. I was thinking, “Well, this is different”.
Given he’d already spoken to me about his personal challenges, the way he addressed our group made me think something serious was going on.
I couldn’t have predicted what happened next but was I totally surprised by it? No, I wasn’t.
He sent me a text message early on Monday morning but I didn’t notice it at first. I was going to Parker’s sport. The text message said: “Hey mate, do you have time to catch up today?” I eventually got back to him, saying: “Do you mean on the phone or in person?” He told me he would prefer to do it in person. I sensed straight away that it was about him. Not me!
He must have wondered if I was reading his message the wrong way, as he quickly sent another text saying: “It’s about me.”
He had spoken to Jack Riewoldt on the phone earlier. Jack was on the golf course and he thought the coach was finishing him up as a player. But this was about Dimma, not about us. Dimma asked me to grab Dusty on my way to his house but I couldn’t get hold of him. In the car, I sensed what was coming.
It was only a brief chat as Dimma had a lot of people to get to before the news would break that he was quitting the club immediately.
I got to his place at 12.54pm; I left at 1.08pm. In between, we sat on the couch and talked about why he felt it was the right time for him to go.
The one thing I will always remember was how much pressure seemed to have been released by him making that decision to leave. I can vividly remember how blue his eyes looked. He looked like he had more life back in his face.
He had only told the club the night before that he was leaving, yet you could already see a huge burden had been lifted.
What had happened in Dimma’s life across the previous three years was significant enough for anyone. Add to that the pressure that naturally comes with being a senior AFL coach and it’s no wonder he’d had enough.
For me, the main thing was that I hoped he would find his true happiness.
Our relationship had been challenged but Dimma will be a friend for life. I hope he knows that if he ever needs a coffee or a chat, I will be there for him at the drop of a hat.
After leaving Dimma that day, I checked in with Toby Nankervis, Dyl Grimes, Jack (Riewoldt) and a few others. I was actually told not to tell anyone.
Both Hop (Jacob Hopper) and T-Bone (Tim Taranto) had chosen Richmond as their destination partly because they wanted to play under Dimma. Now he was gone in their first year.
I caught up with both of the boys the next morning for a coffee before we went into the club,
just to make sure they were doing OK.
It was a shock for the players and the footy world. I was incredibly proud of how collaborative and strong the Richmond Football Club was at the time.
The conversations we had as a club and as a team were mature and open. There were all sorts of opinions about who we thought was the right interim candidate to take the club forward, at least until the end of a season that was effectively still alive.
They were a bit like the discussions that I was a part of in late 2009, even though the circumstances were very different.
This time the coach had chosen to leave; back then the coach had been sacked. 2009 felt like a lifetime ago. We’d all come such a long way.
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This is an edited extract from From The Heart by Trent Cotchin (HarperCollins Publishers, $49.99)
Pre-order your copy of the book here and go into the running to win a prize pack containing a Richmond hoodie, cap and scarf with a signed book.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/from-the-heart-trent-cotchin-reveals-the-moment-he-knew-something-was-up-with-damien-hardwick/news-story/8c343a554eb3a6cfdf36d433de8e1332
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The loss to Essendon was definitely embarrassing and losing to a rubbish Bombers team was an indictment on us, but Dimma's reaction pretty much showed he was cooked. A mixture of realising and resenting that 2023 was becoming a write-off finals wise, the team wasn't good enough anymore to challenge, and as coach he wasn't able to get the best out of them anymore. That abusive rant blaming the players alone was very old school. Something out of the 70s/80s that doesn't work anymore.
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A very senior player remarked recently that Dimma had said things “that you can’t walk back” with the players.
That about sums it for me.
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A very senior player remarked recently that Dimma had said things “that you can’t walk back” with the players.
That about sums it for me.
Can’t walk back or can’t take back??
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A very senior player remarked recently that Dimma had said things “that you can’t walk back” with the players.
That about sums it for me.
Can’t walk back or can’t take back??
Means the same thing - "walk back" just the latest trendy seppo idiom.... :shh
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A very senior player remarked recently that Dimma had said things “that you can’t walk back” with the players.
That about sums it for me.
Can’t walk back or can’t take back??
Means the same thing - "walk back" just the latest trendy seppo idiom.... :shh
Yep. Just got the impression they were talking about different tirades…
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Sounds like Dimma knew that he had really lost the players, losing to Essendon just proved it to him. :wallywink
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which senior player? :shh
maybe the players have had it easy and when the going got tough they didnt want to (or could) apply the things that made us great.
no coach could have taken this team to a flag this year. We are rubbish atm.
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Dimma lost holis mojo from that hubs in qld was never the same coaching showed weakness and he become to loyal to players.
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After the Suns game Dimma was emotional in the team meeting and said he had run out of ideas. I believe this was the moment he knew his time was up.
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Rat of a sinking ship LOL.
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After the Suns game Dimma was emotional in the team meeting and said he had run out of ideas. I believe this was the moment he knew his time was up.
What did you and the rest of the playing group think after the Suns game
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After the Suns game Dimma was emotional in the team meeting and said he had run out of ideas. I believe this was the moment he knew his time was up.
What did you and the rest of the playing group think after the Suns game
Also keen to know. Is it okay to share, machine?
These insights are really cool to have
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:lol
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By the Essendon game I get the impression that Hardwick was burnt out and his message was not impacting on the players. He was under pressure to perform and the side was underachieving. The loss to essendon was the straw that broke the camel's back.Hence the tirade at the players.
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Cotch is on The Project tonight on Ch 10.
https://twitter.com/theprojecttv/status/1717777167134667008
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Cotch is on The Project tonight on Ch 10.
https://twitter.com/theprojecttv/status/1717777167134667008
Here's Cotch's interview.
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Trent Cotchin has achieved it all on the AFL field, and now he's written all about it. He tells us why being curious is the motto he lives by.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/theprojecttv/status/1717822896700035330
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Retired Richmond great Trent Cotchin has revealed the fallout from Damien Hardwick’s marriage breakdown impacted the club and his own relationship with the coach during the Tigers’ premiership defence in 2021.
In a new book, From the Heart, Cotchin said while he never liked to delve into personal relationships, he stressed it had been a difficult situation for the club to manage, particularly in the early stages.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/trent-cotchin-how-dimmas-marriage-breakdown-divided-captain-and-coach/news-story/fb90e5a05464bb73c07dbe2984131360
I'm guessing some people will feel vindication on this topic, and some will feel pretty stupid who constantly claimed it had no impact on the playing group.
Personally I dgaf who he banged or married but the effect was obvious. She was probably the driver in him losing focus
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Retired Richmond great Trent Cotchin has revealed the fallout from Damien Hardwick’s marriage breakdown impacted the club and his own relationship with the coach during the Tigers’ premiership defence in 2021.
In a new book, From the Heart, Cotchin said while he never liked to delve into personal relationships, he stressed it had been a difficult situation for the club to manage, particularly in the early stages.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/trent-cotchin-how-dimmas-marriage-breakdown-divided-captain-and-coach/news-story/fb90e5a05464bb73c07dbe2984131360
I'm guessing some people will feel vindication on this topic, and some will feel pretty stupid who constantly claimed it had no impact on the playing group.
Personally I dgaf who he banged or married but the effect was obvious. She was probably the driver in him losing focus
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https://twitter.com/RichmondNews223/status/1718446935395446790
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Tigers great reveals impact of coach’s breakup ‘distraction’
News.com.au
October 29th, 2023 3:18 pm
Trent Cotchin has admitted for the first time there was a rift between himself and his long-term mentor Damien Hardwick after the Richmond coach’s marriage breakdown.
The football club was reportedly rocked when it emerged Hardwick had split from wife Danielle and had started a new relationship with former Tigers employee Alexandra Crow.
It first emerged in December, 2020, that the Gold Coast Suns coach and Danielle had split during the league’s turbulent 2020 season where every club was forced to relocate to a Covid-19 quarantine “hub” in Queensland.
Just days later, it was first reported the club was in turmoil as a result of Hardwick’s relationship with Crow.
Cotchin, who is speaking out about the drama in his new autobiography From The Heart, has now confirmed Hardwick’s new romance caused a divide between the coach and sections of the football club.
As first reported by The Herald Sun, Cotchin writes: “Was it a distraction for the group? In my view, at times it was.
“Did it impact my relationship with Dimma? I would say yes, at that point, 100 per cent.”
He went on to write: “We had built this culture on a platform of family, connection and love – and Dimma and Danielle’s relationship had played a big part in all this – so it was only natural to be worried about the potential fallout”.
Often referred to by the former Tigers coach as “Mrs Hardwick” in press conferences, Danielle had been by her husband’s side through an incredibly successful career in football that included flags as a player with Essendon and Port Adelaide and three more as coach of Richmond.
Danielle was incredibly well-liked at Richmond and was referred to as the “second family” of Cotchin and his wife Brooke in a Christmas Instagram post in 2020.
Danielle broke her silence about the situation nine months later, admitting she was still grieving about the broken marriage.
The couple split after being together for 30 years.
It was a sad sight for many that Danielle did not attend Hardwick’s emotional press conference when he announced his decision to step down as coach of the Tigers earlier this year.
The pair’s three children Ben, Isabelle and Imogen were seated in the front row next to Hardwick’s mum Pam and Crow.
Cotchin now admits the Hardwick scandal played a part in the club’s 2021 season flop where they failed to qualify for the finals after winning the flag 12 months prior.
“I still loved Dimma and still respected him as a coach … but I am not sure my relationship with him ever got back to the level it had been before,” he said.
“For whatever reason, there always seemed to be a bit of a barrier between us. Maybe it wasn’t just the captain and the coach; maybe it was emblematic of the group’s connection that season.
“We didn’t lose the plot in 2021 but if I reflect properly, there just wasn’t the same insane connection between the playing group that had been our suit of armour from 2017 to 2020.”
Cotchin has been dropping several bombs on Hardwick in the book, revealing also a piece of the puzzle on why Hardwick quit in the middle of the season.
The 33-year-old, who retired at season’s end, lifted the lid on the game that proved the catalyst for Hardwick’s shock departure from Tigerland.
Hoping to make one last push for a premiership, Richmond’s one-point loss to Essendon in Round 10 at the MCG all but put an end to those hopes as the Tigers sat 14th on the ladder with just three wins.
Cotchin writes Hardwick ripped into the team while referring to Essendon as a “bunch of spuds”.
Cotchin said Hardwick described Richmond’s performance as “putrid” and said “the way some of us had played meant he would just get “another c*** to replace us”.
On the Monday after the game, Hardwick told Cotchin about his plan to quit as coach and publicly announced his decision on the Tuesday.
Hardwick is now beginning a new chapter on and off the field after signing a monster six-year deal to coach the Suns.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/tigers-great-reveals-impact-of-coachs-breakup-distraction/news-story/94d1a84c9782eff0a6db43ab4f6b45a5
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Trent Cotchin's ability to embrace 'imperfection' was the cornerstone of his success as a leader.
So why couldn't he embrace the imperfection of his long-time coach, Damien Hardwick?
Mark Robinson's latest.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/mark-robinson-trent-cotchin-book-reveals-he-couldnt-accept-damien-hardwicks-challenges/news-story/843dbb15fb28373e910756c476d90571
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Trent Cotchin's ability to embrace 'imperfection' was the cornerstone of his success as a leader.
So why couldn't he embrace the imperfection of his long-time coach, Damien Hardwick?
Mark Robinson's latest.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/mark-robinson-trent-cotchin-book-reveals-he-couldnt-accept-damien-hardwicks-challenges/news-story/843dbb15fb28373e910756c476d90571
Because of his missus
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Well well. I was correct after all. :shh
It has never been the same dynamic since he decided to renege on his vows to his wife.
Who knows how it effected the players (and wags).
Even if it’s on a subconscious level his personal integrity is compromised and his own words lose some of their meaning.
I know you want to believe "he decided to renege on his vows to his wife" and that you base this on media reports regarding on the breakdown down of his marriage
But none of us know what really happened nor do really know what if any impact the situation had on the playing group
Fair to say I disagree with your commentary but you are most definitely entitled to your view
When a team wins premierships it’s never just one thing that makes a premiership team victors but it’s a whole range of little things that make everything fall into place, however their is normally one thing that is the catalyst for change that kickstarts the winning formula. For us it was Mrs Hardwick’s hard truths that her stubborn husband had to hear.
There have been many questionable things happen at the club that we’ve seen since Hardick decided to renege on the vows he made before God and family. :shh
That one decision and major deceptive betrayal may have just been the catalyst for this whole debacle of a season. :rollin
Caro is criticised a lot but she was 100% correct about Hawthorn/Clarkson/Mitchell situation.
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:shh
absolutely.
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Well well. I was correct after all. :shh
It has never been the same dynamic since he decided to renege on his vows to his wife.
Who knows how it effected the players (and wags).
Even if it’s on a subconscious level his personal integrity is compromised and his own words lose some of their meaning.
I know you want to believe "he decided to renege on his vows to his wife" and that you base this on media reports regarding on the breakdown down of his marriage
But none of us know what really happened nor do really know what if any impact the situation had on the playing group
Fair to say I disagree with your commentary but you are most definitely entitled to your view
When a team wins premierships it’s never just one thing that makes a premiership team victors but it’s a whole range of little things that make everything fall into place, however their is normally one thing that is the catalyst for change that kickstarts the winning formula. For us it was Mrs Hardwick’s hard truths that her stubborn husband had to hear.
There have been many questionable things happen at the club that we’ve seen since Hardick decided to renege on the vows he made before God and family. :shh
That one decision and major deceptive betrayal may have just been the catalyst for this whole debacle of a season. :rollin
Caro is criticised a lot but she was 100% correct about Hawthorn/Clarkson/Mitchell situation.
You were right it would seem.
I believed this too for a long time, had some doubt when Pat N said the blokes didn't give a crap, but as a fringe player maybe he wasn't in the inner circles.
Makes complete sense though when you look back. Everything fell apart after 2020.
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Well well. I was correct after all. :shh
Really? It that makes you feel good and vindicated, then good for you
I would love to read the entire book rather than excerpt that the media has latched on.
As captain wasn't it in part up to him to make sure it didn't impact on the playing group? No issue with it impacting/upsetting him but surely as Captain he needed to be able to manage that somehow
Personally I'm not fussed either way.
Trent was one on a list of 40 odd. I look forward to reading or hearing what the others thought in the years to come. It has been well documented how close his wife is to Mrs Hardwick. The same wife people have piled on here over what she did in the COVID hub and others excerpts have said that of she had said decided to leave the hub he was going too. Clearly the entore situation impacted him so dramatically because they were so close
Who knows
It is Trent's version and view on the situation and fair enough
It is what it is
Everyone is welcome to their opinion :thumbsup
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I can tell you all that the whole credibility of what the "Richmond Man" stood for was torn apart by Dimma's affair actions. The rot set in immediately.. To be honest I think in time that we will discover that Brendan was relieved he was gone. We love him but he had to go.
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"Richmond Man" was always a bunch media spin and rubbish just like "Shinboner Spirit", LMAO at anyone who believed that - and half the list are probably cheating on their women as well - most footy players have more than one iron in the fire, they have to fight 'em off - even McIntosh with his head like robber's dog has a hot missus. :shh
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:lol
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Cotch on MMM's Rush Hour with JB & Billy:
Audio here: https://articles.listnr.com/triple-m/rush-hour-with-jb-and-billy/trent-cotchin-explains-his-comments-surrounding-damien-hardwick/
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Trent Cotchin has revealed the toll of the Damien Hardwick scandal
Trent Cotchin and his wife put Damien Hardwick on a huge pedestal before it all came crashing down around them.
James Dampney
NewsCorp
November 1, 2023 - 11:52AM
Former Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin has delved deeper into the impact Damien Hardwick’s relationship scandal had on him and his young family.
Cotchin’s autobiography, From the Heart, is being released on Wednesday and it has some startling revelations about his 16-year career at Punt Road.
Perhaps the biggest scandal to rock his time at the club was the revelation in 2020 then-coach Hardwick was leaving his wife of 30 years Danielle for a new relationship with former Richmond staff member Alexandra Crow.
Cotchin, who has three children with wife Brooke Kennedy, had previously put Damien and Danielle Hardwick’s relationship on an almighty pedestal and viewed them as a model of the perfect family.
So their marriage breakdown had a profound influence on Cotchin after Hardwick had built the club’s success around the ethos of family and loyalty.
“I think it just created some challenges,” Cotchin said on the Rush Hour with Billy Brownless & Dale Thomas.
“Obviously I love “Dimma” and still have a great relationship with Dimma, along with Danielle and the kids as well.
“I suppose for me it was more just seeing the challenges it created for the family.
“Both Brooke and I looked up to them as, you know, the pinnacle of what the ultimate family looked like.
“That obviously broke down and it’s not like I go into a whole great bit of depth about their relationship and why it broke down or anything like that in the book, because that’s their business, not mine.
“But when you build a footy club based around family and the pinnacle of that is different, it can cause some differences.
“And that was definitely a process that we worked through together and shared a lot of conversations across our time as captain and coach, but also just as mates.”
The 33-year-old played 306 games all with the Tigers, captaining them to breakthrough success with three flags between 2017 and 2020.
Named captain at the age of just 22 in 2013, Cotchin admitted he wasn’t ready.
“You look at all the successful teams and captains around you and most of them are a lot more mature than you are.
“You think you have to be this perfect captain for all the hopes and dreams of the Richmond faithful and I did a s**t job of it to start with, to be completely honest with you.
“But it was an amazing learning curve for me and I woudn’t change it for the world, although I think 22 probably is too young to take on that responsibility.”
The club was also in a terrible state around that time.
“We had lots of possums infesting the club rooms and a sheet separated our gym to our changerooms,” he says.
“Massage and ice baths were all open-air and the rollerdoor was always open so you’d have a cold for the majority of the year because our property steward wouldn’t shut the door.”
The Tigers were rightly feted for their efforts in finally breaking a 37-year premiership drought with that 2017 flag.
But the season prior the club was in disarray, with loud, public calls for Cotchin to be removed as captain.
A group was trying to overthrow the board and Hardwick was under immense pressure to retain his position, with the club finishing a lowly 13th in 2016.
Cotchin said he was in “a pretty dark place” that year and considered quitting.
“The end of 2016 for me was a moment where I genuinely questioned whether I should be the captain of the footy club, whether I wanted to play footy anymore,” he said.
“So I got to a pretty dark place and probably hadn’t shared it with a lot of people other than my wife Brooke and maybe two or three others that were in my circle.
“As captain I thought I didn’t want to burden anyone with the challenges I was going through.
“(The talk was) I was the worst captain, Dimma was a crap coach, he should be sacked, we had a board coup going on at the end of 2016.
“To think about the transformation that happened from ‘16 to ‘17, the enjoyment we had across the year, not just on the basis of winning games of footy but the every day stuff.
“That’s what we talk about today when we get together as a premiership team.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-has-revealed-the-toll-of-the-damien-hardwick-scandal/news-story/7c9aed5244e9121b80951451e732883e
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Cotch on SEN:
Listen here: https://megaphone.link/NTETP5259703048
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COTCHIN INSISTS HE HAS A “GREAT RELATIONSHIP” WITH HARDWICK FOLLOWING EYEBROW RAISING BOOK EXCERPT
Andrew Slevison
SEN
1 November 2023
Trent Cotchin insists he retains a very good relationship with his former coach Damien Hardwick.
In an excerpt from Cotchin’s new book - ‘From The Heart’ - it was revealed that the former Richmond captain’s relationship with his three-time premiership coach had somewhat broken down.
This came in the wake of Hardwick’s marriage breakdown with Danielle in late 2020 which threatened to derail the strong connection the club had formed during its run of three flags in four years.
“We had built this culture on a platform of family, connection and love – and ‘Dimma’ and Danielle’s relationship had played a big part in all this – so it was only natural to be worried about the potential fallout,” Cotchin wrote.
“I still loved Dimma and still respected him as a coach… but I am not sure my relationship with him ever got back to the level it had been before.
“For whatever reason, there always seemed to be a bit of a barrier between us. Maybe it wasn’t just the captain and the coach; maybe it was emblematic of the group’s connection that season.”
Speaking on SEN Breakfast on Tuesday morning, Cotchin made it clear that there is no bad blood between he and Hardwick, even after he aired an expletive-laden spray from his mentor during his final game as Richmond coach against Essendon.
The recently-retired 306-game Cotchin merely felt what he and Hardwick had created between 2017 and 2020 had started to shift.
“I have a great relationship with Dimma,” he said.
“Out of respect to him and his family, I know that it’s mentioned in the book, but I’ll leave that to the readers.
“The hardest thing for me when you do put that kind of stuff out there, the headline and so forth that gets attached, as we all know in some forms of media can paint a different picture as to how the story goes.
“There’s no doubt it created some form of distraction. From my personal point of view, I loved both Dimma and Danielle and both Brooke and I looked up to them as a great example of how bringing your kids up looks like and the way that you celebrate family and incorporate them into an organisation and so forth.
“So it was probably a challenge in that sense because it was kind of, from what we saw, the picture was perfect. When that changes it was a distraction, (but) it’s not like there was any judgment from our point of view.
“It was more just the fact that it wasn’t the same as what it used to be.”
Now that he has stepped aside from the game, Cotchin is looking forward to seeing who at Richmond can reinstall the club’s famed connection.
He admits he is excited to watch on as a supporter as the Tigers embark on a new frontier without Cotchin, Hardwick or Jack Riewoldt at the helm.
“Just on the back of what was an amazing period for our footy club over those four years,” he added.
“Then the hub year and everything, I think we just literally got a little bit tired and things became a little bit more challenging which obviously breaks down some of the stuff that you’ve been so strong in.
“That’s probably what I’m excited about now having stepped away from the footy club is seeing other guys stepping up to the plate and putting their spin on things and reconnecting the footy club in the powerful way that we had it going through those dominant years.
“As a supporter now I get to sit back and watch it unfold from afar.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/10/31/cotchin-insists-he-has-a-great-relationship-with-hardwick-following-eyebrow/
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Kane Cornes discusses Trent Cotchin's insight into how Damien Hardwick's divorce impacted the Richmond.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1718904319934951495
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Trent Cotchin's ability to embrace 'imperfection' was the cornerstone of his success as a leader.
So why couldn't he embrace the imperfection of his long-time coach, Damien Hardwick?
Mark Robinson's latest.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/mark-robinson-trent-cotchin-book-reveals-he-couldnt-accept-damien-hardwicks-challenges/news-story/843dbb15fb28373e910756c476d90571
Got to read today's hardcopy of the HUN
Read Robbo's piece. Hate saying this as he writes a lot of nonsense. But he actually makes some very interesting points. It is a very balanced opinion piece TBH
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This whole thing is not about what Trent can or can't accept. This is entirely about what Brooke can't accept ...
Trent now finds himself in a no win situation - he wants to back Dimma but can't, then he wants to back Brooke but can't. He wants to condemn Dimma but can't, then he wants to condemn Brooke but finds that he can't do that either ...
There's only one way out of the maze ... stop trying to please everybody! :-\
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“I’D HAVE LAUGHED”: WHEN COTCHIN WAS CERTAIN HE WASN’T GOING TO BE A PREMIERSHIP PLAYER
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
2 November 2023
Trent Cotchin could never have imagined where his career was about to go at the end of the 2016 season.
He had spent nine years at the club and was yet to win a final, while the Tigers had just finished 13th with an 8-14 record alongside a dismal percentage of 79.49.
We all know what happened after that though, with Richmond going on to win three of the next three of the next four premierships with Cotchin captaining the side in all of those successes.
The midfielder even contemplated whether being traded could have benefited the club at the stage and the recent retiree admits he was stunned with how quickly things turned around.
“I definitely was (surprised at the turnaround),” Cotchin told SEN Breakfast.
“I mean, sitting there at the end of 2016 if someone had said, ‘Oh, you'll be a premiership captain next year’, I would have laughed in their face.
“Probably to be fair, I didn't think it was going to happen in my career at all.
“But once I went through that journey of re-establishing who I was and connecting with other players and what they wanted to stand for as well (we started to turn things around).”
With connection key in Richmond’s dynasty era, Cotchin says success on the field came surprisingly after they stopped thinking so much about winning the big prize and instead being grateful for the jobs they were lucky enough to hold.
“I realised that it actually wasn't about the premierships, it was more about the way that we were living and playing and enjoying the amazing opportunity we had to be at such a proud footy club. To do that as a job was pretty special,” Cotchin said.
“Connecting with people and even now when we reflect on premiership years and so forth, it's not actually the day that you reflect on.
“It's all the stories and little moments throughout that season that were so special and made that journey so worthwhile.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/11/01/id-have-laughed-when-cotchin-was-certain-he-wasnt-going-to-be-a-premiership/
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Well well. I was correct after all. :shh
It has never been the same dynamic since he decided to renege on his vows to his wife.
Who knows how it effected the players (and wags).
Even if it’s on a subconscious level his personal integrity is compromised and his own words lose some of their meaning.
I know you want to believe "he decided to renege on his vows to his wife" and that you base this on media reports regarding on the breakdown down of his marriage
But none of us know what really happened nor do really know what if any impact the situation had on the playing group
Fair to say I disagree with your commentary but you are most definitely entitled to your view
When a team wins premierships it’s never just one thing that makes a premiership team victors but it’s a whole range of little things that make everything fall into place, however their is normally one thing that is the catalyst for change that kickstarts the winning formula. For us it was Mrs Hardwick’s hard truths that her stubborn husband had to hear.
There have been many questionable things happen at the club that we’ve seen since Hardick decided to renege on the vows he made before God and family. :shh
That one decision and major deceptive betrayal may have just been the catalyst for this whole debacle of a season. :rollin
Caro is criticised a lot but she was 100% correct about Hawthorn/Clarkson/Mitchell situation.
He is one person. There were some raised eyebrows at the club this week.
Edited to correct quote
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Don't miss @tcotchin9's 'From the Heart' book signing session at the Roar Store on Saturday, November 4 ✍️
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1715504750722953223
Bump. Tomorrow morning.
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2 x very interesting paragraphs from Cotch's book, thanks to @TigerAllen04 for sharing!
Seeing that from Cotch gives some serious validation to what we were all seeing and saying as well.
Very very interesting!
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https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1743871764323795303
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So it’s not our imagination, stuffed free kick count, bad tribunal decisions, rule changes, could not possibly be a conspiracy……
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BOOK REVIEW – TRENT COTCHIN FROM THE HEART
https://themongrelpunt.com/footy-history/2024/01/07/book-review-trent-cotchin-from-the-heart/
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Dead to me...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/threetime-richmond-premiershipwinning-captain-trent-cotchin-hired-by-flagchasing-brisbane-lions/news-story/5bd78fd4789f931146dfe2e575d3452d
>:( :thumbsdown
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if it means the cheats or filth lose then im okay with it
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Dead to me...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/threetime-richmond-premiershipwinning-captain-trent-cotchin-hired-by-flagchasing-brisbane-lions/news-story/5bd78fd4789f931146dfe2e575d3452d
>:( :thumbsdown
Don't stress , he was a great player but fooled the world about what a great leader and bloke he is . His choice of wife proves he will never be a true man and leader . Before you all start targeting me about this, do your own real thorough research
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For me the list of brave acts Trent did that changed the way played is endless but the one that readily comes to mind is the take down of Mumford in the opening minutes of the 2019 grand final it set the agenda for that game
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Dead to me...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/threetime-richmond-premiershipwinning-captain-trent-cotchin-hired-by-flagchasing-brisbane-lions/news-story/5bd78fd4789f931146dfe2e575d3452d
>:( :thumbsdown
Don't stress , he was a great player but fooled the world about what a great leader and bloke he is . His choice of wife proves he will never be a true man and leader . Before you all start targeting me about this, do your own real thorough research
he isnt the first bloke to be pussy whipped.
have met him quite a few times as has some of my close friends. Ripper bloke unlike some :shh
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Dead to me...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/threetime-richmond-premiershipwinning-captain-trent-cotchin-hired-by-flagchasing-brisbane-lions/news-story/5bd78fd4789f931146dfe2e575d3452d
>:( :thumbsdown
Don't stress , he was a great player but fooled the world about what a great leader and bloke he is . His choice of wife proves he will never be a true man and leader . Before you all start targeting me about this, do your own real thorough research
:lol
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Tigers' flag skipper to head north in mentor role with Lions
By Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
5 March 2023
RICHMOND’S three-time premiership captain Trent Cotchin is set to become a Lion.
Cotchin is poised to sign with Brisbane in an off-field leadership role the Lions hope will help take them to a flag in 2024.
The 33-year-old, who retired from playing last year following 306 games with the Tigers, would be a virtual 'fly in, fly out' appointment to work with Brisbane's leadership group on a regular basis.
He would also attend games in Melbourne when the Lions play there.
Brisbane CEO Greg Swann said chasing the decorated Tiger was a no-brainer.
"His role is to get us from nearly there to there," Swann said.
"It was (football manager) Danny Daly's idea. He knows him well from the Richmond days. 'Fages' is on board with it, and we all were.
"We think it's a great appointment.
"Everyone’s looking for a little advantage, and hopefully with his input, he's a three-time premiership-winning captain, so he knows what it takes to win, so we're hopeful that he can pass on some good advice to our leaders."
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/1082423/richmond-tigers-flag-skipper-trent-cotchin-heads-north-to-take-up-mentor-role-with-brisbane-lions
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That just doesn’t look right
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Don't stress , he was a great player but fooled the world about what a great leader and bloke he is . His choice of wife proves he will never be a true man and leader . Before you all start targeting me about this, do your own real thorough research
You post some outrageous statements
And after doing the required "real thorough research"
This truly tops them all.
Pathetic TBH, misogyny at its finest
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Dead to me...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/threetime-richmond-premiershipwinning-captain-trent-cotchin-hired-by-flagchasing-brisbane-lions/news-story/5bd78fd4789f931146dfe2e575d3452d
>:( :thumbsdown
Don't stress , he was a great player but fooled the world about what a great leader and bloke he is . His choice of wife proves he will never be a true man and leader . Before you all start targeting me about this, do your own real thorough research
What a dog crap post.
Couldn't GAF about his wife, he was a gun leader and captain.
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Don't stress , he was a great player but fooled the world about what a great leader and bloke he is . His choice of wife proves he will never be a true man and leader . Before you all start targeting me about this, do your own real thorough research
You post some outrageous statements
And after doing the required "real thorough research"
This truly tops them all.
Pathetic TBH, misogyny at its finest
Misogyny lmao you're funny
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Dead to me...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/threetime-richmond-premiershipwinning-captain-trent-cotchin-hired-by-flagchasing-brisbane-lions/news-story/5bd78fd4789f931146dfe2e575d3452d
>:( :thumbsdown
Don't stress , he was a great player but fooled the world about what a great leader and bloke he is . His choice of wife proves he will never be a true man and leader . Before you all start targeting me about this, do your own real thorough research
What a dog crap post.
Couldn't GAF about his wife, he was a gun leader and captain.
Yep he WAS 🤫
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Can I ask what the point is here? What are you trying to achieve by telling us our 3 time premiership captain wasn't really a good leader after a while because of his life partner? Like whats the goal here man?
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In the 150+ year history of the V/AFL, he’s ONLY tied for second most premierships captained. What a crap leader, we clearly could have won 10 if we had a better one.
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Signed a leadership role at the Storm now .
https://www.melbournestorm.com.au/news/2024/03/07/former-tiger-cotchin-signs-with-storm/