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[big tone]

so how much would you offer Frawley big tone?

Are you suggesting paying him overs?

That's exactly what I'm suggesting!!!!!!!!!!!
That's how it works WP. 
If it takes 800k pay it.
I really don't care how they get the money, just get it done.

[tony_montana]

IMO

Astbury is a huge upgrade on Chaplin

based on what exactly.
the simple fact is astbury has got nowhere near chaplins performance level on any sort of consistent basis or on any sort of consistent level.

personally i would like a rutten/lake/glass/ mcpharlin  type at f/b. blokes who can be totally relied upon to shut out the bigger key fwds. id love an eric mckenzie type at chb  and id play alex rance as our third tall. add to that  i am really hoping kamdyn mcintosh can play of h/b as a tall running defender.

so what im aiming for down back is something like this.
b/ morris when fully fit. - rutten - rance
hb/ mcintosh - mckenzie - vlastuin
remember im talking type and in a way where we need to get to.

Astbury is a rutten shutdown type of defender and did a very good job of it this season before his injury. Rance is a lot better than just a 3rd tall, hes an elite key defender of the competition now

[big tone]

so how much would you offer Frawley big tone?

Are you suggesting paying him overs?

And how will that affect the rest of the playing group that has been told to earn less for sustained success?

I don't care.
It's time this club got tough and stop caring who is going to get upset.
If you are a decent player you will get paid accordingly.
To many players like Grigg and Jackson are on more money than what they deserve. Give it to the players that earn it.

[Judge Roughneck]

Chaplin Grigg Thomas houli Hampson e Edwards king Newman


And sudden you have money to play with

You could afford  frawley and okeefe without the stigma of having a list full of plodders

[YellowandBlackBlood]

so how much would you offer Frawley big tone?

Are you suggesting paying him overs?

That's exactly what I'm suggesting!!!!!!!!!!!
That's how it works WP. 
If it takes 800k pay it.
I really don't care how they get the money, just get it done.

That would be no problem if they were Pendlebury or Watson or Dangerfield or Ablett. However if you pay overs for a good ordinary player, what are the Cotchins or Martins or Riewoldts of the team going to think?

[Judge Roughneck]

so how much would you offer Frawley big tone?

Are you suggesting paying him overs?

That's exactly what I'm suggesting!!!!!!!!!!!
That's how it works WP. 
If it takes 800k pay it.
I really don't care how they get the money, just get it done.

That would be no problem if they were Pendlebury or Watson or Dangerfield or Ablett. However if you pay overs for a good ordinary player, what are the Cotchins or Martins or Riewoldts of the team going to think?

Mate we only have half a dozen or so a graders

There is always going to be money for them

Add up what the mature age pickups are on... There is the problem

[big tone]

Pace mobility and skills by foot

Astbury > Chaplin. I am concerned the team is slowish and Chaplin is especially loping and static

The simple fact is Astbury was leading the best and fairest

Ideally vlastuin should be playing in the middle

You are a bit delusional putting Mckenzie and rutten in your back six with rance in a pocket

I think I'm reading this wrong- are you saying Astbury has pace and mobility?  I hope not!! He is as wooden as a rocking horse.
And good skills by foot?
Other than Ellis I have never seen a bloke kick it sideways or backwards as much as this guy.
Let's face it, he stopped a couple of guys this year but he didn't offer much more than that.

[Judge Roughneck]

I consider Chaplin very slow and non fast

A full back first job is to stop the guy he's playing one

Astbury is certainly not a poorer creative rebounding defender than Chaplin

[big tone]

I consider Chaplin very slow and non fast

A full back first job is to stop the guy he's playing one

Astbury is certainly not a poorer creative rebounding defender than Chaplin

Yes he is.

[Judge Roughneck]

Only vlastuin rance and houli give any real run from the backline. The rest are about evenly poor in that regard.

[the claw]

Chaplin Grigg Thomas houli Hampson e Edwards king Newman


And sudden you have money to play with

You could afford  frawley and okeefe without the stigma of having a list full of plodders

oh ffs  when will the penny drop for you.
if we cut contracted players  their salary remains in our salary cap hence affecting in a big way what we can pay. what the hell is wrong with you you do have some intelligence ffs use it.
heres a list of uncontracted players valid tioll end of may. and while looking at it remember  we are most likely useing  most if not  all of our cap space. so if you want to cut a contracted player it still counts.

arnot,astbury,  batchelor, dea, a  edwards, elton, griffiths, helbig, knights, newman, ohanlon , petterd,king  mcintosh, mcdonough, mcbean.
which of this motley lot would you prefer to see gone.

lets see king gone  miles is upgraded.

im hoping for a minimum of   2 f/a garlett frawley big tones idea. , 1 trade vickery or s edwards for like player or pick., 5 nd picks  so thats another  7  who have to go. for me those 7 are. griffiths trade for pick. newman ret, a edwards ret, helbig delist, ohanlon delist, batchelor trade/delist for pick, arnot delist.
on top of that rookies darrou, banfield,  williams and stephenson all to go.
we need to find players and not just one or two like we usually do each yr.

[The Big Richo]

Actually think the improvement in the team has coincided with Chaplin's form improving.

[the claw]

Pace mobility and skills by foot

Astbury > Chaplin. I am concerned the team is slowish and Chaplin is especially loping and static

The simple fact is Astbury was leading the best and fairest

Ideally vlastuin should be playing in the middle

You are a bit delusional putting Mckenzie and rutten in your back six with rance in a pocket

can you tell me why. personally rance is at his best on the move and taking the game on. third tall frees him up to actually utilise his strengths to his and the teams best advantage.
people dont get it still. alex is a running in motion player.

lets say we play adelaide pods, walker, and jenkins with lynch just to top it up. many sides are going this way.  rutten gets pods,  mckenzie who i think is in the top 3 kpds in the comp gets walker, rance will be needed to take on jenkins and mcintosh gets a similare sized lynch.
go look at sydney nm and many other sides. the game is getting taller and taller. but its not just height. its height with agilkity and mobility. cmon learn from what others are doing.

[WilliamPowell]

so how much would you offer Frawley big tone?

Are you suggesting paying him overs?

That's exactly what I'm suggesting!!!!!!!!!!!
That's how it works WP. 
If it takes 800k pay it.
I really don't care how they get the money, just get it done.

It works that way if Clubs allow it to work that way. 

My take on FA is simple and it works like this and I'll use Frawley as an example.

Q: Does Frawley deserve to be the highest paid player at his current Club?
A: No

Q: What is he worth to his current Club? How much are they prepared to play?
A: In Frawley's case he is probably in their top half dozen to 8 players; so probably $500k a season at best but no more

Q: to get him is he worth becoming the highest paid player at his new Club on a very long term deal ?
A: No - because he is not going to win you premiership on his own. So you offer him only slightly more than what his current Club is offering. If he really wants to be part of the Club the money wont be sole factor of them coming

So IMHO Frawley isn't worth $800k a year. That simple. $600k perhaps but you don't want to throw all your eggs in one basket for one player.

And heaven forbid if a real gun becomes available and actually wants to come to Richmond; nominates Richmond and we can't accommodate because we've locked up a FA player long term (Frawley supposedly wants 5-7 years) by paying overs

[Judge Roughneck]

Chaplin Grigg Thomas houli Hampson e Edwards king Newman


And sudden you have money to play with

You could afford  frawley and okeefe without the stigma of having a list full of plodders

oh ffs  when will the penny drop for you.
if we cut contracted players  their salary remains in our salary cap hence affecting in a big way what we can pay. what the hell is wrong with you you do have some intelligence ffs use it.
heres a list of uncontracted players valid tioll end of may. and while looking at it remember  we are most likely useing  most if not  all of our cap space. so if you want to cut a contracted player it still counts.

arnot,astbury,  batchelor, dea, a  edwards, elton, griffiths, helbig, knights, newman, ohanlon , petterd,king  mcintosh, mcdonough, mcbean.
which of this motley lot would you prefer to see gone.

lets see king gone  miles is upgraded.

im hoping for a minimum of   2 f/a garlett frawley big tones idea. , 1 trade vickery or s edwards for like player or pick., 5 nd picks  so thats another  7  who have to go. for me those 7 are. griffiths trade for pick. newman ret, a edwards ret, helbig delist, ohanlon delist, batchelor trade/delist for pick, arnot delist.
on top of that rookies darrou, banfield,  williams and stephenson all to go.
we need to find players and not just one or two like we usually do each yr.

i am sure there is some kind of mutual termination options