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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 09, 2014, 02:56:32 PM
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VFL Round 14
Geelong Cats (11th, 6-6) vs Richmond Tigers (12th, 4-7-1)
Saturday, 12th July @ Simonds Stadium.
Time: 7:30 PM
Broadcast:
Tiger Radio
Users can listen by downloading Richmond’s app, via the iTunes App Store or Google Play, and choose ‘VFL Radio’ in the menu or via link on www.richmondfc.com.au
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They will be looking closely and B.Griffths.
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Should drop Vickery before he returns to form. Give them something else to watch.
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Richmond VFL side for this week
Due to the AFL team not being finalised until 5pm this Friday, the entire seven-man AFL interchange bench has been named in the VFL squad.
VFL Round 14:
B Wall, Darrou, McDonough
HB O'Hanlon, Barlow, Young
C Knights, Helbig, Batsanis
HF Banfield, Griffiths, Gordon
F A. Edwards, McBean, Elton
R Stephenson, Lennon, Arnot
Int: Dea, Hampson, Petterd
Vlastuin, Lloyd, Thomas
Morris, McGough, Schibeci
Williams, Wynne, Waite
Drummond*
From:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-10/round-14-vfl-squad
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if i was at geelong and looking at our kpfs elton would be the one i watch over all of them.i still think he ticks more kpf boxes than vickery, griffiths, mcbean,
weather that translates to him making it well without playing him we will never know.
how badly do we need some young tall fwds in our system.
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Has anyone got anything to report re Richmond V Geelong tonight at Geelong ?
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Clearly everyone forgot this was on tonight :wallywink
Came from 26 pts down in the 2nd qtr to win by 4 pts.
Richmond 1.4 4.6 10.8 13.12-90
Geelong 4.1 8.2 11.6 13.8-86
Goals: McBean 4, A.Edwards 2, Banfield 2, Young, McDonough, Williams, Gordon, Griffiths.
Young 30 disposals, Gordon 27, Edwards 23, McDonough 22.
Knights only played 3 quarters in his return. Had around 20 disposals and 6 clearances.
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Nice win down there by the ressies that's two in a row.
Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Any Tiger win at Kardinia Park nowadays is a good one considering they are as rare as hen's teeth and we came from a fair way back albeit in the second half to do so. Well done to the lads. :thumbsup
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2014 Peter Jackson VFL
Geelong Cats 4.1 8.2 11.6 13.8 (86)
Richmond Tigers 1.4 4.6 10.8 13.12 (90)
GOALS:
Geelong Cats: Lang 2 Thurlow 2 Hollmer 2 Maas Brown Gleeson Schroder Jansen Sheringham Stringer
Richmond Tigers: McBean 4 Banfield 2 A.Edwards 2 Williams Young McDONOUGH Griffiths Gordon
BEST:
Geelong Cats: Bews Thurlow Brown Sheringham Smedts Maas
Richmond Tigers: Young A.Edwards McDONOUGH Stephenson Gordon Dea
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
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if i was at geelong and looking at our kpfs elton would be the one i watch over all of them.i still think he ticks more kpf boxes than vickery, griffiths, mcbean,
weather that translates to him making it well without playing him we will never know.
how badly do we need some young tall fwds in our system.
claw I'd like to know how you can have such definite opinions on these blokes when by your own admission you've barely ever watched our VFL side play and have seen about 9/10ths of stuff all of half of them. McBean in only his second year is so far ahead of Elton in his third year it's not even funny. He can at least read the game for a start.
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Elton was worst on ground followed by Helbig.
Dea, McDonough and Edwards were standouts.
Knight had an impact, needs to rebuild his fitness but is a cut above VFL level.
McBean doesn't seem to do allot but the goals keep coming. He needs a tast of senior football, his skills below his knees are exceptional for a tall guy.
Griff presented well but seems down on confidence again, dropped an easy mark inside 50 and had another shot at goal that went OOTF...
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Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Don't think Gordon at 24 could be classed as a kid
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Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Don't think Gordon at 24 could be classed as a kid
Thanks Mr Negative for yet another insightful comment
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Great result for the boys...well done! Helbig named in the bests again, he must be given a chance to play 4 or 5 games before the year ends. Surly his continued form warrants selection. Gordon and McDonough showing good form also. I must say, I like what I see of young McDonough :clapping
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if i was at geelong and looking at our kpfs elton would be the one i watch over all of them.i still think he ticks more kpf boxes than vickery, griffiths, mcbean,
weather that translates to him making it well without playing him we will never know.
how badly do we need some young tall fwds in our system.
Elton can't kick - almost on par with butcher when it comes to set shots.
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if i was at geelong and looking at our kpfs elton would be the one i watch over all of them.i still think he ticks more kpf boxes than vickery, griffiths, mcbean,
weather that translates to him making it well without playing him we will never know.
how badly do we need some young tall fwds in our system.
Elton can't kick - almost on par with butcher when it comes to set shots.
Great win over the cats. Butcher has got worse since his back injury. send him to the knackery lol
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Clearly everyone forgot this was on tonight :wallywink
Came from 26 pts down in the 2nd qtr to win by 4 pts.
Richmond 1.4 4.6 10.8 13.12-90
Geelong 4.1 8.2 11.6 13.8-86
Goals: McBean 4, A.Edwards 2, Banfield 2, Young, McDonough, Williams, Gordon, Griffiths.
Young 30 disposals, Gordon 27, Edwards 23, McDonough 22.
Knights only played 3 quarters in his return. Had around 20 disposals and 6 clearances.
Thats because most supporters have given up on Richmond. Clearly if the coach goes against what he says when he arrives & gives out unrewarded games then no-one cares ;D
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Not all great news as Lennon went off early in the game with an injury.
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Knights returns as Tigers win VFL thriller
John Lindon
July 13, 2014 9:05 AM
A brave and determined Tigers side, bolstered by the return of Chris Knights, mounted a second-half comeback to record a team lifting four-point win over Geelong at Simonds Stadium on Saturday night.
Four goals from in-form forward Liam McBean and a terrific performance by Matt McDonough helped the Tigers reverse a poor first half, which saw them trail by 26 points at one stage.
“The boys played really good footy,” VFL coach Tim Clarke said post-game. “To come down to Geelong and to play such a good side and to start slowly, get ourselves going in the third and hang on in the last was a terrific result.”
Chris Knights was a leading figure for the Tigers and worked hard for 20 disposals (10 contested) and six clearances in his first match in 13 weeks due to a knee injury.
“He was benched in the last but he was terrific in the first three quarters and won the ball inside. He really got us going,” Clarke said.
Matt McDonough had 22 disposals, 11 tackles, seven clearances and kicked a goal in another standout performance built on his impressive run and carry. McBean continued his good form, marking strongly and getting himself in dangerous positions.
Richmond struggled early as Geelong’s fast breaks allowed them to find loose men up forward but the Tigers fired late in the third quarter, piling on five-straight goals to gain momentum and take control of the game.
Aaron Edwards collected 23 disposals, booted two goals, provided a safe pair of hands and showed his willingness to get up the ground by taking a mark at full back.
Despite a quiet first half, Brad Helbig played an important role in defence. He remained composed, won the ball in crucial moments and constantly relieved pressure with reliable disposal.
Nathan Gordon (27 disposals) also came alive in the second half, skipper Ross Young and Nathan Batsanis again found a lot of the ball while Todd Banfield worked hard for his two goals.
The ball was locked in the Cats’ half during the final minutes but desperate defending and a crucial Matt Dea mark saw the Tigers hold on a for a memorable win.
RICHMOND 14 4.6 10.8 13.12 (90)
GEELONG 4.1 8.2 11.6 13.8 (86)
Goals: McBean 4, A. Edwards 2, Banfield 2, Gordon, Young, McDonough, Griffiths, Williams
Best: McDonough, McBean, Young, Helbig, A. Edwards, Knights
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-13/knights-returns-as-tigers-win-vfl-thriller
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Great to see McDonough and McBean amongst our best 2 weeks in a row
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Although I won't factor him in yet, good to see Knights back and having an immediate impact.
I will get howled down, but I'd play the Big Zero, he's a good tap ruck and has improved this year. He will help our mids get first use.
Helbig, McBean, McDonuts, Dea - all options in the seniors between now and year end.
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Great result for the boys...well done! Helbig named in the bests again, he must be given a chance to play 4 or 5 games before the year ends. Surly his continued form warrants selection. Gordon and McDonough showing good form also. I must say, I like what I see of young McDonough :clapping
Where was Helbig named?? Was close to worst on ground IMO.
Looked slow and panicked,butchered the ball all night.
Certainly won't see seniors on that form and will be lucky to be retained at the end of the year.
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Great result for the boys...well done! Helbig named in the bests again, he must be given a chance to play 4 or 5 games before the year ends. Surly his continued form warrants selection. Gordon and McDonough showing good form also. I must say, I like what I see of young McDonough :clapping
Where was Helbig named?? Was close to worst on ground IMO.
Looked slow and panicked,butchered the ball all night.
Certainly won't see seniors on that form and will be lucky to be retained at the end of the year.
Article on the home page of RFC.
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Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Don't think Gordon at 24 could be classed as a kid
In terms of playing at the highest level he is Pointdexter. ;D
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Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Don't think Gordon at 24 could be classed as a kid
And yet Gordon is significantly younger than:
Houli
Grigg
Thomas
Knights
Jackson
King
Newman
Etc.
Arguably more upside
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VIDEO: VFL highlights round 14...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-14/vfl-highlights-round-14
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Richmond VFL coach Tim Clarke's summary of how the AFL-listed players performed at VFL level against Geelong:
Nathan Gordon
1 goal, 27 disposals (13 contested), 4 inside 50s
Played on a wing and through half forward. The most pleasing part of his game was his contested work, which is an area we’ve been working on. Kicked an important goal to put us in front. Good run and carry all day.
Aaron Edwards
2 goals, 23 disposals, 8 marks
Probably the most dominant forward on the day. Gave us a good target up the line again when we needed an option. His ball use going inside 50 was really good as well - he set up a couple of other goals.
Matt McDonough
22 disposals (13 contested), 7 clearances, 11 tackles
Came into the midfield and won the contested ball. He competed hard all day inside, which is what we expect him to do. We really needed someone to step up in the middle and he did that. Excellent ball use by foot.
Chris Knights
20 disposals, 6 clearances
First game back, he was terrific. Found a lot of the ball in three quarters. Was really solid on the day and helped set our guys up around stoppages, which is what we expect. We hope he gets some continuity with his body.
Matt Dea
19 disposals, 6 marks, 5 tackles
Very strong around half back. Gave us plenty of chop out marks and also helped with run and carry to set up play from defence. Always very reliable. Hopefully he’ll be pushing for senior selection in the coming weeks.
Brad Helbig
17 disposals, 5 tackles
Had a big knock early and battled his way through really well. The determination he showed to finish off the game, given the knock, was outstanding. Played across half back for most of the game and kept competing all day and shutting down Geelong’s attacks.
Orren Stephenson
17 disposals, 29 hit outs, 4 clearances
The most dominant big guy on the ground. Took a couple of really good contested marks. His follow up work from his rucking was the biggest positive of his game.
Brett O’Hanlon
16 disposals, 3 inside 50s
Played a quieter game than what he’s been playing over the last month. We expect a better game from him but he was still able to contribute with a couple of important touches which resulted in goals.
Ben Darrou
15 disposals, 7 marks, 5 rebound 50s
Terrific down back – he only had one goal kicked on him. Helped set us up coming out of our defensive 50. His work with the other key backs really set us up across half back.
Todd Banfield
2 goals, 7 tackles, 4 inside 50s
Continues his good form in terms of his defensive pressure and had a lot of tackles again. His ball use inside 50 was outstanding, and helped set up three or four goals, and kicked two himself. It shows that his work on the track is starting to pay off.
Cadeyn Williams
1 goal, 10 disposals
Played across half forward and on the wing. Kicked an important goal but we expect a few more possessions. We hope to get him into the midfield next week.
Matt Arnot
9 disposals
Had a quiet day and struggled to get going. Put on his usual defensive pressure and was solid around contests, but we expect him to play a better game given his ability.
Shaun Hampson
9 disposals, 31 hit outs
Very good in the ruck to give our on-ballers first use. Took two or three really good grabs as a forward, which is what we’ve been working on. Got the ball going forward but we expect more of an impact.
Liam McBean
4 goals, 9 disposals, 6 marks
Very good game in terms of hitting the scoreboard. The most pleasing thing for Liam was his three contested marks, which go a long way towards him pushing for senior selection.
Ben Griffiths
1 goal, 6 disposals, 3 marks
Struggled to get into the game. Showed glimpses of what he can offer, taking strong marks on the lead and, and he had a few shots on goal, but finished with 1.1. We expect more, but we also need to get the ball in to him quicker to help him.
Todd Elton
4 disposals
Didn’t have much of a game offensively. Played on one of Geelong’s key forwards for most of the game, and he didn’t really have an influence on the game. He was relentless with his pressure.
Ben Lennon
Started the game okay, a bit quieter than his usual standards, but got a heavy knock in the second quarter and didn’t come back on after that. We hope he can get himself right and can come back ready for the game against Port Melbourne.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-14/the-vfl-report-round-14
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Shaun Hampson
9 disposals, 31 hit outs
Very good in the ruck to give our on-ballers first use. Took two or three really good grabs as a forward, which is what we’ve been working on. Got the ball going forward but we expect more of an impact.
Obviously never seen him play before.
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Ben Darrou
15 disposals, 7 marks, 5 rebound 50s
Terrific down back – he only had one goal kicked on him. Helped set us up coming out of our defensive 50. His work with the other key backs really set us up across half back.
What's the story with this bloke?
I'm an ignorant foll.
Apologies
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I have wondered that as well, to be honest I wouldn't know Darrou if I saw him in the street.
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Ben Darrou
15 disposals, 7 marks, 5 rebound 50s
Terrific down back – he only had one goal kicked on him. Helped set us up coming out of our defensive 50. His work with the other key backs really set us up across half back.
What's the story with this bloke?
I'm an ignorant foll.
Apologies
Has been our best backman in the magoos for the last 18 months. A rookie so he needs to be upgraded to see what he has got at senior level. Short for a KPB but very very strong.
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Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Don't think Gordon at 24 could be classed as a kid
Thanks Mr Negative for yet another insightful comment
::) bit hypocritical there chump ::)
In terms of playing at the highest level he is Pointdexter. ;D
Then I guess The Big O can be classed as a kid too ;D ;D
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Hope I'm wrong on Darrou and we'll never know if we don't play him but I reckon he'll get caught out at AFL level and will be one of those players that are good VFL players but can't make the leap. Reckon he well and truly deserves a go though. Has he even played a NAB game for us?
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Ben Darrou
15 disposals, 7 marks, 5 rebound 50s
Terrific down back – he only had one goal kicked on him. Helped set us up coming out of our defensive 50. His work with the other key backs really set us up across half back.
What's the story with this bloke?
I'm an ignorant foll.
Apologies
Has been our best backman in the magoos for the last 18 months. A rookie so he needs to be upgraded to see what he has got at senior level. Short for a KPB but very very strong.
Ok.
How old ?
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Is he quick and can he kick?
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Ben Darrou
15 disposals, 7 marks, 5 rebound 50s
Terrific down back – he only had one goal kicked on him. Helped set us up coming out of our defensive 50. His work with the other key backs really set us up across half back.
What's the story with this bloke?
I'm an ignorant foll.
Apologies
Has been our best backman in the magoos for the last 18 months. A rookie so he needs to be upgraded to see what he has got at senior level. Short for a KPB but very very strong.
Ok.
How old ?
Was 20 this season. Will turn 21 in November. :thumbsup
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Hardwicky will fho?
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Hardwicky will fho?
Your guess is as good as mine.....
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Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Don't think Gordon at 24 could be classed as a kid
Thanks Mr Negative for yet another insightful comment
::) bit hypocritical there chump ::)
In terms of playing at the highest level he is Pointdexter. ;D
Then I guess The Big O can be classed as a kid too ;D ;D
Kids:
8 Rance, Alex 100 24yr 9mth 9 Oct 1989 194cm 96kg Swan Districts Defender
39 Gordon, Nathan 7 24yr 5mth 12 Feb 1990 188cm 86kg East Coast Eagles Midfield
42 Lloyd, Sam 6 24yr 4mth 3 Mar 1990 182cm 84kg Frankston Forward
9 Cotchin, Trent 124 24yr 3mth 7 Apr 1990 185cm 85kg Northern Knights Midfield
29 Vickery, Tyrone 86 24yr 1mth 31 May 1990 200cm 97kg Sandringham Dragons Forward
18 Banfield, Todd (R) 53 24yr 28 Jun 1990 183cm 83kg Brisbane Forward
12 Astbury, David 37 23yr 4mth 26 Feb 1991 195cm 96kg North Ballarat Rebels Defender
4 Martin, Dustin 102 23yr 26 Jun 1991 187cm 89kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield
Forward
2 Grimes, Dylan 38 22yr 11mth 16 Jul 1991 193cm 88kg Northern Knights Defender
24 Griffiths, Benjamin 29 22yr 9mth 17 Sep 1991 200cm 104kg Eastern Ranges Defender
Forward
7 Dea, Matthew 31 22yr 9mth 13 Oct 1991 186cm 87kg North Ballarat Defender
11 Batchelor, Jake 45 22yr 5mth 13 Feb 1992 188cm 87kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
26 Miles, Anthony (R) 16 22yr 4mth 28 Feb 1992 179cm 78kg Gws Midfield
32 Helbig, Bradley 16 22yr 4mth 28 Feb 1992 185cm 85kg West Adelaide Midfield
30 Conca, Reece 66 21yr 11mth 12 Aug 1992 185cm 83kg Perth Midfield
43 Elton, Todd 1 21yr 2mth 29 Apr 1993 197cm 97kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
45 O'Hanlon, Brett 9 20yr 11mth 17 Jul 1993 189cm 89kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
5 Ellis, Brandon 58 20yr 11mth 3 Aug 1993 181cm 81kg Calder Cannons Midfield
44 Arnot, Matthew 8 20yr 8mth 21 Oct 1993 180cm 86kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
48 Darrou, Ben (R) 0 20yr 7mth 25 Nov 1993 190cm 97kg Sandringham Dragons Defender
36 Mcdonough, Matthew 8 20yr 5mth 26 Jan 1994 180cm 84kg Woodville West Torrens Forward
33 Mcintosh, Kamdyn 0 20yr 3mth 3 Apr 1994 192cm 87kg Peel Thunder Defender
31 Vlastuin, Nick 31 20yr 2mth 19 Apr 1994 187cm 86kg Northern Knights Defender
Midfield
40 Williams, Cadeyn (R) 0 19yr 11mth 4 Aug 1994 186cm 86kg - Forward
34 Mcbean, Liam 0 19yr 10mth 25 Aug 1994 202cm 86kg - Forward
35 Lennon, Ben 5 19yr 5 Jul 1995 190cm 79kg Northern Knights Forward
Mid:
13 Petterd, Ricky 77 25yr 11mth 24 Jul 1988 185cm 85kg Broadbeach Defender
Forward
10 Edwards, Shane 145 25yr 8mth 25 Oct 1988 182cm 83kg Nth Adelaide Midfield
Forward
8 Riewoldt, Jack 150 25yr 8mth 31 Oct 1988 195cm 94kg Tassie Mariners Forward
38 Morris, Steven 58 25yr 6mth 31 Dec 1988 185cm 83kg West Adelaide Defender
Old:
1 Newman, Chris 244 32yr 1mth 18 May 1982 183cm 81kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
37 Stephenson, Orren (R) 15 31yr 11mth 15 Jul 1982 200cm 104kg - Ruck
27 Edwards, Aaron 94 30yr 4mth 2 Mar 1984 184cm 93kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
28 King, Jake 107 30yr 3mth 26 Mar 1984 178cm 82kg Coburg Tigers Forward
41 Foley, Nathan 147 28yr 10mth 8 Sep 1985 178cm 79kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
20 Maric, Ivan 125 28yr 6mth 4 Jan 1986 200cm 102kg Calder Cannons Ruck
25 Chaplin, Troy 178 28yr 4mth 23 Feb 1986 195cm 99kg North Ballarat Rebels Defender
23 Jackson, Daniel 156 28yr 2mth 25 Apr 1986 188cm 92kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
15 Knights, Chris 101 27yr 9mth 25 Sep 1986 184cm 84kg Eastern Ranges Forward
19 Thomas, Matt (R) 97 27yr 4mth 27 Feb 1987 186cm 87kg Port Adelaide Midfield
3 Deledio, Brett 207 27yr 2mth 18 Apr 1987 188cm 88kg Murray Bushrangers Midfield
16 Hampson, Shaun 74 26yr 3mth 21 Mar 1988 201cm 104kg Mt Gravatt Ruck
6 Grigg, Shaun 119 26yr 2mth 19 Apr 1988 190cm 85kg Nth Ballarat Midfield
14 Houli, Bachar 107 26yr 2mth 12 May 1988 180cm 84kg Western Defender
8)
Cotchin, Rance, Dea, Griffiths etc. are still kids :clapping
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I think you use the term kid very loosely
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A couple of weeks ago now, but Nathan Batsanis broke his leg in this game
He sat behind us in the Patrons area in the JD stand last Saturday, leg in brace
Will be missed by the VFL team & certainly was against Port last week
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Good to see a few kids in McDonough and Gordon among the possies and Knights back on the park competitively. :thumbsup
Don't think Gordon at 24 could be classed as a kid
Thanks Mr Negative for yet another insightful comment
::) bit hypocritical there chump ::)
In terms of playing at the highest level he is Pointdexter. ;D
Then I guess The Big O can be classed as a kid too ;D ;D
think the two words your looking for is maturity and experience.
at 24 gordon is very much a mature player but with only a handful of games hes inexperienced at this level. as a big bodied mature 24yo recruit you would have hoped he could make a real impact on games and actually played the majority of them.
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lists are broken up age wise the following way by most clubs. some have slight variations.
when working out the average age of club lists nearly everyone works it out from the opening game of the yr so this yr its taken from 14/3/14
i apply the simple formula of
smls by 20. mediums by 22, and talls by 24 to the below and you have an idea of where players should be at. to see how a player has progressed look at games played games played also gives a players experience at afl level.
juniors - 18 - 21 = 12. first three yr makes sense they are treated as juniors at clubs. we have 12 juniors with many moving into the development category if they dont get cut.
development 22 - 24 = 14. this caters mainly for talls as they still have a lot of development to go thru, it caters for real skinny players as well and just plain old immature. usually smls and mediums have done most of their development by age 22 and could be classified as mature players. we have a fair few development players moving into the mature category.
mature - 25 - 28 = 14 this is where players should be both physically and mentally at their best. we have 3 or 4 mature players who will become vets next yr
vets - 29 + = 4 obviously this category is about players whos best maybe behind them and its down hill from here.