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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Tigeritis™©® on July 29, 2012, 12:31:51 AM
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Blues supporters are speechless.
Listening to SEN after the game and they're are praising Ratten.
Playing 8 youngters in the team, many Carlscum supporters didn't even bother turning up because they didn't think they'd win.
But like many coaches before him Hardwick has failed to do the one thing that he shouldve already done. It was evident with the loss to Fremantle and stuck out like dogs balls in losing the unlosable against Gold Coast up in Cairns. He has failed to rid the club of the disease that's plagued it for so many years.
Mediocrity!
I know what many will say....
We have no depth, too many poo players, too many passengers, dumb players etc. Which may well be true.
But if you raise the standard to a very high level. Demand excellence in every department. Expect perfection at training........
..... then the whole perspective changes.
Players improve, the fringe dwellers lift to a greater height and the expectation is to win and never to be beaten.
I hoped Frawley could do it but I was wrong. I hoped Wallace could do it but I was wrong again. And after 3 years it's obvious that Hardwick hasn't done it.
Rid the club of this disease once and for all.
I attended tonights game in the hope that we'd beat that cheating scum and end their finals dream. But once again after being in front we find a way to lose. Even the most basic of rules that are taught in junior footy, we fail to execute.
It looks as though we have very dumb football players playing for us but I ask would those players made the same fundamental errors if playing at Collingwood or Hawthorn or the Swans.
Its no coincidence that so many promising youngsters with dreams of playing regular finals with an AFL team get ruined by coming to this club. Skill, poise, balance, footy smarts etc. seem to leave when pulling on a Richmond jumper.
It's unfortunate. But facts are facts.
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You are right mate i just feel for the top 2 or 3 players who bust their backsides week in week out and reap no reward what so ever good thing for me is we recruited 2 really good players in Maric and Morris this year and if we add a couple more this trading session we are finals bound we are close indeed
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You are right mate i just feel for the top 2 or 3 players who bust their backsides week in week out and reap no reward what so ever good thing for me is we recruited 2 really good players in Maric and Morris this year and if we add a couple more this trading session we are finals bound we are close indeed
sorry to tell you, but im more close to scoring a BJ tonight from Sam Lane than we are finals bound my friend
No improvement since last year because are still getting rewarded for Coburg efforts
How can you progress as a club if the coach is best mates with everyone and gifts d graders games every week
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Sam Lane :lol I just poo myself. She'd be good in the sack. with Tim supervising of course
good night boys. you lot make me laugh :lol
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Sam Lane :lol I just poo myself. She'd be good in the sack. with Tim supervising of course
good night boys. you lot make me laugh :lol
:lol
was about to post mediocrity does reign on tiger forums after losses but then I read this piece of solid gold. :lol
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You are right mate i just feel for the top 2 or 3 players who bust their backsides week in week out and reap no reward what so ever good thing for me is we recruited 2 really good players in Maric and Morris this year and if we add a couple more this trading session we are finals bound we are close indeed
sorry to tell you, but im more close to scoring a BJ tonight from Sam Lane than we are finals bound my friend
No improvement since last year because are still getting rewarded for Coburg efforts
How can you progress as a club if the coach is best mates with everyone and gifts d graders games every week
i hope BJ doesn't stand for bo jangles the great man wont tolerate sexual advances after a richmond loss
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Hardwick and his game game and forward structure is the problem!
Our C,D grade players will always be just that!
He doesn't stick "firecrackers" up Deledio's ar$e or Grigg or Conca or Houli or the list continues ...
But the main problem is Hardwick ... soft as a dove feather, soft as a woman's skin and really in denial within himself and the game plan!
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The worrying thing is we lost to a team which had countless players out injured or suspended.Players who i think fill gaps but wont take us forward are Houli,post,mcguane,jackson.mini maric.
I have always believed theres a culture of mediocrity at richmond.I know Benny gale is working on removing this and seems to have been eliminated in the upper echelons of the club ,but maybe hasnt quite reached the playing group yet......damn it we lost a game tonight in the dying seconds.it will either steel this playing group or decimate it
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I just think we are mentally weak and crumble under pressure and have little believe.
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the way they got that last goal tonight ,to me anayway sums up the RFC of the last 30 years,in a word.................SPINELESS
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this thread is so so funny.
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this thread is so so funny.
Why post in it then??
Go back to your we have no depth mantra
That's it no depth for the last 30 yrs
So every group of players we have recruited in 30 yrs have only been good to make 2 finals in 30 yrs
Got nothing at all to do with development??
Glad we never recruited Buddy, Pav or Rough cause they would've been average at Punt Rd
Spineless bunch at Punt Rd. Everyone's mate needs to look players in the eye or tell them to stuff off like he preached he would
You demand skata you get skata
IMO we need a hard leader of men who demands excellence
Jack x 2 in the leadership group. Hahaha
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If their is any consolation in this loss it is the fact that Carlton will get smashed in the finals - and we have prolonged the careers of Ratten, McLean, & Gibbs.
It is a fact that most Carlton Supporters want those people amongst other gone!
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You are right mate i just feel for the top 2 or 3 players who bust their backsides week in week out and reap no reward what so ever good thing for me is we recruited 2 really good players in Maric and Morris this year and if we add a couple more this trading session we are finals bound we are close indeed
sorry to tell you, but im more close to scoring a BJ tonight from Sam Lane than we are finals bound my friend
Pics or it didn't happen
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this thread is so so funny.
Why? bc you were the only one that saw and expected this? lmao
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this thread is so so funny.
Why? bc you were the only one that saw and expected this? lmao
Cue the next full page explanation of dribble
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Now that the immediate emotional disappointment of last night has abated slightly, what is of some (significant I think) interest is how we are all calling for the heads of players, coaches and administration now that our season is officially over. Like everyone, I am bitterly disappointed that we have failed to make the finals again and there is no doubt that our list still needs a serious cull another 1 or 2 times before it will look like a serious contender's list but I think a look in restrospect is needed to put all this in perspective.
Notwithstanding the hundreds of moments in any game of football where things can go one way or another, here we are bemoaning our lack of ability, culture, incompetence, luck etc etc but for the smallest change in circumstances we would be sitting in the 8. On another given day, Hunt misses his set shot at goal, Grigg's shot bounces through not away, McLean's shot is touched and we are sitting 8th on 40 points. 3 single moments in the final seconds of a game that could just as easily gone the other way and we would all be saying how great it is that we are finals bound, and that this list is showing potential and ability that we haven't shown for years. I'm not saying we are unlucky or that we deserve to be in the 8, I believe quite the opposite actually but I do think it needs consideration when discussing the state of our list and our club - but for a frozen second in game time we are patting ourselves on the back and lauding our heroes.
I honestly think that this outcome would have been the far worse of the 2 because it would have opened ourselves up to the potential of repeating past mistakes by papering over the cracks (1 good small forward away from a flag still sticks in my craw) but conversely, it does bear remembering how well we have done this season, especially earlier on when we had closer to our full list available and we were competitive against or beating the top sides with a very good brand of skillful attacking football. We must accept that these bumps and blimps were inevitable given our lack of depth and maturity, and we have no option other than to suck it up and learn from them if we truly believe and want to become serious contenders. The distraught look on the faces of the players last night said a lot about the hurt they were feeling, the true test of how much that means and how much they learned will only become obvious in 2013.
I think back in March this year that most reasonable and realistic thinking supporters predicted we would have the very type of year we have had but now that we are emotionally connected to that reality it has become all to easy to search for blame and scapegoats when the best thing we can do for ourselves and the team is to take a step back, breathe and reflect on the lessons learned and the task ahead. Our next flag is in the future, not the past, and the only way to get that flag is to look and move forward with honest, reasonable, strong and committed action from all involved in putting this team onto the field. Oh for a fully functioning crystal ball.
:gotigers
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Now that the immediate emotional disappointment of last night has abated slightly, what is of some (significant I think) interest is how we are all calling for the heads of players, coaches and administration now that our season is officially over. Like everyone, I am bitterly disappointed that we have failed to make the finals again and there is no doubt that our list still needs a serious cull another 1 or 2 times before it will look like a serious contender's list but I think a look in restrospect is needed to put all this in perspective.
Notwithstanding the hundreds of moments in any game of football where things can go one way or another, here we are bemoaning our lack of ability, culture, incompetence, luck etc etc but for the smallest change in circumstances we would be sitting in the 8. On another given day, Hunt misses his set shot at goal, Grigg's shot bounces through not away, McLean's shot is touched and we are sitting 8th on 40 points. 3 single moments in the final seconds of a game that could just as easily gone the other way and we would all be saying how great it is that we are finals bound, and that this list is showing potential and ability that we haven't shown for years. I'm not saying we are unlucky or that we deserve to be in the 8, I believe quite the opposite actually but I do think it needs consideration when discussing the state of our list and our club - but for a frozen second in game time we are patting ourselves on the back and lauding our heroes.
I honestly think that this outcome would have been the far worse of the 2 because it would have opened ourselves up to the potential of repeating past mistakes by papering over the cracks (1 good small forward away from a flag still sticks in my craw) but conversely, it does bear remembering how well we have done this season, especially earlier on when we had closer to our full list available and we were competitive against or beating the top sides with a very good brand of skillful attacking football. We must accept that these bumps and blimps were inevitable given our lack of depth and maturity, and we have no option other than to suck it up and learn from them if we truly believe and want to become serious contenders. The distraught look on the faces of the players last night said a lot about the hurt they were feeling, the true test of how much that means and how much they learned will only become obvious in 2013.
I think back in March this year that most reasonable and realistic thinking supporters predicted we would have the very type of year we have had but now that we are emotionally connected to that reality it has become all to easy to search for blame and scapegoats when the best thing we can do for ourselves and the team is to take a step back, breathe and reflect on the lessons learned and the task ahead. Our next flag is in the future, not the past, and the only way to get that flag is to look and move forward with honest, reasonable, strong and committed action from all involved in putting this team onto the field. Oh for a fully functioning crystal ball.
:gotigers
thats a great post smokey, put it far more eloquently than I could. Yesterday I mentioned that as hard as it is to swallow, the way this season has panned out with the heartbreaking close losses, its been ideal in identifying glaring weaknesses, weaknesses that could quite easily be swept under the carpet in the euphoria of being finals bound. This is a dissapointing season and what could have been, but its a reality check that is more than likely a blessing long term. Well said
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this thread is so so funny.
Why post in it then??
Go back to your we have no depth mantra
That's it no depth for the last 30 yrs
So every group of players we have recruited in 30 yrs have only been good to make 2 finals in 30 yrs
Got nothing at all to do with development??
Glad we never recruited Buddy, Pav or Rough cause they would've been average at Punt Rd
Spineless bunch at Punt Rd. Everyone's mate needs to look players in the eye or tell them to stuff off like he preached he would
You demand skata you get skata
IMO we need a hard leader of men who demands excellence
Jack x 2 in the leadership group. Hahaha
lol
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If their is any consolation in this loss it is the fact that Carlton will get smashed in the finals - and we have prolonged the careers of Ratten, McLean, & Gibbs.
It is a fact that most Carlton Supporters want those people amongst other gone!
like us they wont make finals their depth is almost as bad as ours.
did you not watch the game good sides are never so error riddled injuries or not.
make no mistake our hacks were bad but carltons were just as bad. only one who can rock the boat now is freo.
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this thread is so so funny.
Why? bc you were the only one that saw and expected this? lmao
Cue the next full page explanation of dribble
hhhaaarrrggghhh hhhhhaaaaarrrrggggghhhhh hhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh. nothing changes with some adding absolutely nothing but whining to the debate.
continue on sonny.
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I'm not sure why people can't see the obvious.
Culture is the greatest and absolutely the one issue here.
If you don't believe it just look at collingwood as a prime example. In 1999 they were an absolute rabble. Eddie identified the need to bring in quality people to the club and demand a successful culture. His first job was to get a no nonsense coach.
Malthouse, with his standards didn't put up with any sort of mediocrity and both on and off the field they became a powerhouse again.
By 2002 were playing in a grand final and backed it up with another shot in 2003.
Now why is it that even with the playing list they had they were able to be competative enough to play in the GF two years in a row?
The hawks were a rabble also. In 2005 Clarkson took over and by 2007 were playing finals and stole a premiership every man and his dog didn't think they were ready to win in 2008.
Now tell me a coach doesn't make a difference in modern footy!
With our history of mediocrity over so many years it's more important than anything else to change the culture that is imbedded in it's DNA.
It's the most important thing to clean out whatever evidence or what's infected it over the years. The only way this can be done is to demand a high standard of achievement. Not to be happy with any mistakes or half hearted efforts of any sort.
We saw Clarkson smash a wall just before half time against the pies. They were playing good footy at that stage from what we could see and were in front. But it's obvious this bloke demands excellence and by the end of the 3rd and 8 goals they had the game won.
Don't get me wrong I actually like Hardwick. I truly hoped he was true to his word as he's always said the things we like to here, "if you can't win your own ball you won't be playing" and "you won't be wearing the jumper if you aren't prepared to play for the jumper" etc etc.
These things all sound great to us because that's what we expect because of our love for the club.
But it's so glaringly obvious that the whole playing group don't believe this or aren't on board or aren't convinced.
I want to see the standard raised. In some respects it looks as though it has as in Conners case but I still wonder why it took so many chances for the same result or why he didn't turn it around for himself as so was the case with Steve Johnson at Geelong.
And these are the questions that need an answer...
Why is it are we still in the bottom 8?
Why do we continue to lose unlosable games?
Why do we still make basic, junior footy mistakes?
Why are we mentally weak?
Why are our fringe players useless and never make it at another team when delisted?
Why do so many good young prospective recruits fail when recruited by us?
Why are finals always only a dream?
Why do we rebuild every 3-5 years?
My answer is CULTURE.
Fix this and things will be so much easier at punt rd.
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is that the same winning culture as rolling in the tank
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is that the same winning culture as rolling in the tank
you change culture first then identify the needs of the playing group.
Some players will never win you a premiership ie. Jason Cloke (coll) / Richard Vandenburg (haw) but some can ie. Leigh Brown (coll) / Stewie Dew ( Hawks ) but who would of thought?
Once you fix culture you aren't down the bottom eight too long. And you find that you are playing finals more times than not then you can tweek the list to suit your needs to get the club into a GF and ultimately a premiership win.
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Now that the immediate emotional disappointment of last night has abated slightly, what is of some (significant I think) interest is how we are all calling for the heads of players, coaches and administration now that our season is officially over. Like everyone, I am bitterly disappointed that we have failed to make the finals again and there is no doubt that our list still needs a serious cull another 1 or 2 times before it will look like a serious contender's list but I think a look in restrospect is needed to put all this in perspective.
Notwithstanding the hundreds of moments in any game of football where things can go one way or another, here we are bemoaning our lack of ability, culture, incompetence, luck etc etc but for the smallest change in circumstances we would be sitting in the 8. On another given day, Hunt misses his set shot at goal, Grigg's shot bounces through not away, McLean's shot is touched and we are sitting 8th on 40 points. 3 single moments in the final seconds of a game that could just as easily gone the other way and we would all be saying how great it is that we are finals bound, and that this list is showing potential and ability that we haven't shown for years. I'm not saying we are unlucky or that we deserve to be in the 8, I believe quite the opposite actually but I do think it needs consideration when discussing the state of our list and our club - but for a frozen second in game time we are patting ourselves on the back and lauding our heroes.
I honestly think that this outcome would have been the far worse of the 2 because it would have opened ourselves up to the potential of repeating past mistakes by papering over the cracks (1 good small forward away from a flag still sticks in my craw) but conversely, it does bear remembering how well we have done this season, especially earlier on when we had closer to our full list available and we were competitive against or beating the top sides with a very good brand of skillful attacking football. We must accept that these bumps and blimps were inevitable given our lack of depth and maturity, and we have no option other than to suck it up and learn from them if we truly believe and want to become serious contenders. The distraught look on the faces of the players last night said a lot about the hurt they were feeling, the true test of how much that means and how much they learned will only become obvious in 2013.
I think back in March this year that most reasonable and realistic thinking supporters predicted we would have the very type of year we have had but now that we are emotionally connected to that reality it has become all to easy to search for blame and scapegoats when the best thing we can do for ourselves and the team is to take a step back, breathe and reflect on the lessons learned and the task ahead. Our next flag is in the future, not the past, and the only way to get that flag is to look and move forward with honest, reasonable, strong and committed action from all involved in putting this team onto the field. Oh for a fully functioning crystal ball.
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Great post smokey
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RICHMOND TILL I DIE!!!
This time next year we will be celebrating.
Cya in Brisy lads.
Get a win and restore some pride.
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notice that mr tiagra has stopped talking up essendons culture .
why is that?
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Get a win and restore some pride.
you're kidding,right ?
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Now that the immediate emotional disappointment of last night has abated slightly, what is of some (significant I think) interest is how we are all calling for the heads of players, coaches and administration now that our season is officially over. Like everyone, I am bitterly disappointed that we have failed to make the finals again and there is no doubt that our list still needs a serious cull another 1 or 2 times before it will look like a serious contender's list but I think a look in restrospect is needed to put all this in perspective.
Notwithstanding the hundreds of moments in any game of football where things can go one way or another, here we are bemoaning our lack of ability, culture, incompetence, luck etc etc but for the smallest change in circumstances we would be sitting in the 8. On another given day, Hunt misses his set shot at goal, Grigg's shot bounces through not away, McLean's shot is touched and we are sitting 8th on 40 points. 3 single moments in the final seconds of a game that could just as easily gone the other way and we would all be saying how great it is that we are finals bound, and that this list is showing potential and ability that we haven't shown for years. I'm not saying we are unlucky or that we deserve to be in the 8, I believe quite the opposite actually but I do think it needs consideration when discussing the state of our list and our club - but for a frozen second in game time we are patting ourselves on the back and lauding our heroes.
I honestly think that this outcome would have been the far worse of the 2 because it would have opened ourselves up to the potential of repeating past mistakes by papering over the cracks (1 good small forward away from a flag still sticks in my craw) but conversely, it does bear remembering how well we have done this season, especially earlier on when we had closer to our full list available and we were competitive against or beating the top sides with a very good brand of skillful attacking football. We must accept that these bumps and blimps were inevitable given our lack of depth and maturity, and we have no option other than to suck it up and learn from them if we truly believe and want to become serious contenders. The distraught look on the faces of the players last night said a lot about the hurt they were feeling, the true test of how much that means and how much they learned will only become obvious in 2013.
I think back in March this year that most reasonable and realistic thinking supporters predicted we would have the very type of year we have had but now that we are emotionally connected to that reality it has become all to easy to search for blame and scapegoats when the best thing we can do for ourselves and the team is to take a step back, breathe and reflect on the lessons learned and the task ahead. Our next flag is in the future, not the past, and the only way to get that flag is to look and move forward with honest, reasonable, strong and committed action from all involved in putting this team onto the field. Oh for a fully functioning crystal ball.
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and what if it all happens again next year smokey?
Or what if it looks great 2013 & all falls to poo in 2014 as was the case in 2002?
My point is basic and from what I've seen this year Hardwick has failed to address the mistakes of past coaches. He's too lenient, not angry enough, accepts close losses, accepts mediocre players, hasn't demanded excellence.
Look I really like the bloke but I don't want him to make the same mistakes. Not only that but he has finally got more resources than any Richmond coach in history.
He still says the right things but we go to the game and see the complete opposite to what he is saying.
Is he too close to the players? Is he too lenient? The results this year say yes in my opinion.
But can he change this? I think he can but he needs to be ruthless in every area of the footy department in my opinion and not accept anything less than success and winning and perfection.
He needs to raise the standard higher than it is now.
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why do you think hardwick is too lenient?
because he doesnt give it to the players in public?
just midless blood lust
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why do you think hardwick is too lenient?
because he doesnt give it to the players in public?
just midless blood lust
Because they continue to lose the unlosable.
We are the only team not to have beaten GoldCoast.
Players make dumb fundamental errors you learn not to make in junior footy.
Do you want more?.....
.... Oh yeh! He continued to play Brad Miller. ;D
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according to richo, hardwick gave the team a massive spay at half time.
So according to your theory we should have won.............
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You can yell all you want but if a large part of the herd is not good enough to execute the coaches instructions then you need to look at the cattle.
Unfortunantely we have some terrible bovines.
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according to richo, hardwick gave the team a massive spay at half time.
So according to your theory we should have won.............
too late at half time Al.
This needs to be done when he walked through the doors. And at the beginning of preseason training and again before nab cup and again before the season proper. Every time they train, they eat, they sleep they fart it has to be done with excellence in mind.
The standard must be raised at tigerland.
A spray at half time isn't going to wash if you aren't ruthless with them from the beginning of the week or even the beginning of the year.
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oh, so how do you explain the good wins against hawks and sydney.
hardwick was ruthless for that period of time but not the rest?
and now you are saying that every day, hardwick should start off with giving the players a bake? eff i feel sorry for your kids or anyone that works under you if that how you view the world.
according to your queer little theory, all the sides that lose a game, their coaches are not ruthless enough? so where does a side like your beloved bombers fit into this little idea of yours. perhaps hird and thompson play the good coach/bad coach routine, which means that when they were doing OK, the bad angry coach was showing through, but now they are getting pumped (despite this much admired winning culture they have) it is the good, friendly coach shining through?
Eff me, you sprout some simplistic illogical crap, but wow,...just wow.
yep lets get a coach that just gets angry all the time and premiership here we come
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Good wins against hawks and swans
Hahahaha
We match the hawks most years as we do the swans
What good did winning those matches get you when you lose to GC. No where
The only people that remember those cheap wins are people like you
A good stern coach would've dumped Jackson from the l group straight away to set an example to the entire group, but not at Punt Road
Talking to at half time. Hahahahahahaha when the season is over
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We match the hawks most years as we do the swans
We do?
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We match the hawks most years as we do the swans
We do?
As opposed to other teams in the 8. Damn straight
Hawks Beat them in 2008
Lost in dying seconds in 2010
Swans beaten them a few times at the G under Dimma
Those wins mean squat now absolute squat
Saints win was different we finally got one back.
Ooh well another year of excuses forthcoming
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We match the hawks most years as we do the swans
We do?
We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.
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why do you think hardwick is too lenient?
because he doesnt give it to the players in public?
just midless blood lust
Because they continue to lose the unlosable.
We are the only team not to have beaten GoldCoast.
Players make dumb fundamental errors you learn not to make in junior footy.
Do you want more?.....
.... Oh yeh! He continued to play Brad Miller. ;D
you see thats where you were wrong and obviously deluded. the gc game was very losable.
the simple fact of the whole debate is our best 22 or i would argue 16 18 is very competetive. yep competetive not good enough just competetive.
as soon as injuries and suspensions kicked in we became a bottom echelon side this was always on the cards. if you didnt get your unrealistic hopes up so much early in the yr you would not be having such hissy fits nows.
it will happen again next yr. supporters ignoring all the key performance indicators and when we lose games because of a lack of depth and experience, when injuries kick in the wrist slashing will start all over again.
i have one question to ask everyone. did none of you expect a rookie coach not to make his fair share of mistakes in his first 4 or 5 seasons.
the list and most agreed at the start of the yr was a 10th thru 13th placed list well guess what that is where we will finish.
so many on here wanted finals this yr and hardwick to our detriment imo went after them.
he has played miller mcguane jackson king nahas vickery houli and a few others regularly for no other reason than atm they give us a better chance to win than playing some kids in their place does.
yet the same people moaning about missing the 8 and not winning games moan and whinge about not playing more kids seems to me whatever hardwick does he cant win.
me ive always maintained we are still in a fairly early development stage and getting games into kids should have been the priority i if i have a criticism of hardwick it is this.
next yr we will still be very much in development and as such getting games into kids should remain the main focus.
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We match the hawks most years as we do the swans
We do?
We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.
I suggest you have a look at our record against the Swans at the G
2012. Win
2011. Win
2010. Win
2007. Win
We have beaten them
3 yrs in a row at the G
Those wins means skata to me. It's losses against rubbish like GC and Blues which shows how pathetic our club is
No improvement in 2012 still the same laughing stock we were 12 mths ago
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We match the hawks most years as we do the swans
We do?
We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.
I suggest you have a look at our record against the Swans at the G
2012. Win
2011. Win
2010. Win
2007. Win
We have beaten them
3 yrs in a row at the G
Those wins means skata to me. It's losses against rubbish like GC and Blues which shows how pathetic our club is
No improvement in 2012 still the same laughing stock we were 12 mths ago
2007 loss in Round 2. Remember in 07 we lost our first 9 drew against Brissy and beat Melbourne in round 12. Beat Sydney by 1 point in 05 and in between that win our the one in 2010 some almighty thumpings by 118, 48, 16, 66, 82, 19, 55 and 55. Would hardly call that a good recent history Daniel. 4 from 13 is hardly flattering Daniel.
Lets look at Hawthorn post 2005 when we beat them twice by 14 and 4 points
06 lost by 41 in Tassie
07 lost by 53 at the G
08 lost by 12 at the G won by 29 in round 20 when they were tuning up for finals remember what we thought of that win come round 1 2009
09 lost by 42 at the G
10 lost by 3 at the G
11 lost by 63 at the G
12 we won by 62
Hardly a record with anything to write home about although if you want to give the RFC credit on 2 occasions in 2010 and this year after they played us their season transformed magnificently and in 2008 they lost to us tuning up for their Qualifying Final against the Dogs and didn't lose again for the season. 4 from 10 better than Sydney but hey its still skata.
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i still remember paul roos saying when asked a question about sysdey saying he and his players found it very hard to get motivated when playing sides like richmond. sometimes just going thru the motions you get bit on the arse.
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have to ask even if we won against carlton or gc what would you take out of it. very little imo skills by both sides were terrible, mistakes were terrible and many, there was little system. yet the game against stkilda was top notch we played some highly skilled mistake free footy with system against hawthorn and the same can be said in other games we have lost.
sometimes losing and the way you lose says more about a side than winning.
we have won some games this yr that were terrible we have lost some that were pretty good in the main.
the carlton game we were terrible and lost it happens.
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We match the hawks most years as we do the swans
We do?
We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.
I suggest you have a look at our record against the Swans at the G
2012. Win
2011. Win
2010. Win
2007. Win
We have beaten them
3 yrs in a row at the G
Those wins means skata to me. It's losses against rubbish like GC and Blues which shows how pathetic our club is
No improvement in 2012 still the same laughing stock we were 12 mths ago
three wins in three years, yep. the three years under hardwick that that is. before that we had not beaten them for 3 years, which was what once in 5 years or something?
now thats what i call a doing well against a side :lol
The swans like nearly every side in the comp has had our meause consitently over a long period of time. the only side we could go close to claiming a good record against was essendon, andt only because they took us lightly.
But i understand, that to simple minds the fact that we made 11 changes in 2 weeks when we played the suns will mean nothing. miserable pricks will always want to find negatives and drag things down o their level, while ignoring that we have beaten the top 2 sides this year and only had one loss greater than 4 goals. thus satisying their emo urges in their black and white way, that we have not improved at all.
as ox says, water and people find their own level.
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have to ask even if we won against carlton or gc what would you take out of it. very little imo skills by both sides were terrible, mistakes were terrible and many, there was little system. yet the game against stkilda was top notch we played some highly skilled mistake free footy with system against hawthorn and the same can be said in other games we have lost.
sometimes losing and the way you lose says more about a side than winning.
we have won some games this yr that were terrible we have lost some that were pretty good in the main.
the carlton game we were terrible and lost it happens.
Are you kidding me?
What will we have got out of it?
A lot more than beating the hawks or swans il give you that
In ladder positions not much but RESPECT.
Beat northern bullants, a team that has belittled us for 30 yrs thus ending their season
Play for the jumper and beat GC.
Instead they played for themselves and we once again became a laughing stock
We are the most unrespected organisation in the AFL. Everyone's second favourite team because no one fears us not even GC
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have to ask even if we won against carlton or gc what would you take out of it. very little imo skills by both sides were terrible, mistakes were terrible and many, there was little system. yet the game against stkilda was top notch we played some highly skilled mistake free footy with system against hawthorn and the same can be said in other games we have lost.
sometimes losing and the way you lose says more about a side than winning.
we have won some games this yr that were terrible we have lost some that were pretty good in the main.
the carlton game we were terrible and lost it happens.
Are you kidding me?
What will we have got out of it?
A lot more than beating the hawks or swans il give you that
In ladder positions not much but RESPECT.
Beat northern bullants, a team that has belittled us for 30 yrs thus ending their season
Play for the jumper and beat GC.
Instead they played for themselves and we once again became a laughing stock
We are the most unrespected organisation in the AFL. Everyone's second favourite team because no one fears us not even GC
100% correct Daniel.
beating the blues right out of finals contention would of been the greatest thing the club has done since 2001 finals.
Just ask Kevin Sheedy or Dermie how important it is for a club to stand up for itself.
No one fears us. Exactly right.
What was it that Leigh Matthews said about us being an egg?
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RICHMOND TILL I DIE!!!
This time next year we will be celebrating.
Cya in Brisy lads.
Get a win and restore some pride.
:thumbsup
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People continue to find a different wayto rehash the same verbalis diarrhea a bit Ike the rfc
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Do you type your own password in or do you get your state appointed carer to do it?
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Do you type your own password in or do you get your state appointed carer to do it?
LMAO
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People continue to find a different wayto rehash the same verbalis diarrhea
Really? What gave it away? Reading your own posts maybe?
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RFCshould watch the heart and passion from gee hawt game tonight, riewoldt should take a page and run into defence in those close games?? What a game, not a lot of mediocrity there
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Jack you should be coach well said
Rfc full of DIShonourable losses
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lots of people get around these parts
under alias's.
says a lot about these people.
and their mental state. :gobdrop
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"It looks as though we have very dumb football players playing for us but I ask would those players made the same fundamental errors if playing at Collingwood or Hawthorn or the Swans."
Pretty sure the Hawks had Tiger jumpers underneath last night, no other way to explain that last minute.
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lots of people get around these parts
under alias's.
says a lot about these people.
and their mental state. :gobdrop
Agreed. I don't like it and I have the right to say it.
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"It looks as though we have very dumb football players playing for us but I ask would those players made the same fundamental errors if playing at Collingwood or Hawthorn or the Swans."
Pretty sure the Hawks had Tiger jumpers underneath last night, no other way to explain that last minute.
Very good y&b.
Let me ask you something.......
Will hawthorn and Geelong play finals?
Or do they only dream about playing finals?
Both teams have proven they have great culture over a number of years.
My point is we don't have a good culture as yet.
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Last night proved one thing there's nothing mediocre about geelong and I compare that game to our adelaide game. Us being comparable to geelong, geelong don't want to accept mediocrity and neither do they fall under mental pressure. That is how I wish we couldve lifted in that adelaide game and many more
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na they got depth guys got nothing to do with Culture. hahaha some people have NFI
great club the cats
No need to rebuild there. Some wonder why Balme never wants to leave.
They will only lose Scarlett but at the same time gain Vardy, Varcoe in 2013
They have been told by most footy people they will miss finals, older players no good, even Hawkins is rubbish i remember clearly.
Look at them now, can beat anyone in the 8 and although a big long shot i hope they can on to win it.
I have the utmost respect for their organization.
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They are great Daniel, I still think a fully fit Collingwood would beat them though. imo the gears are only starting to turn for the pies
would love to see otherwise ;D
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have read this thread thru and i dont get it.
people are stating quite correctly that theres plenty of mediocrity at richmond. yet in the same breath are bemoaning we arent in finals,
geez we are either mediocre hence we arent in finals or we arent mediocre and should be in finals which one is it.
personally i think people are pointing the finger at the wrong targets we have far too many mediocre footballers who will always fail when push comes to shove. imo over the last 3 seasons we are slowly but surely rectifying that problem but it takes time.
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WCE are the sleeping giants
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have read this thread thru and i dont get it.
people are stating quite correctly that theres plenty of mediocrity at richmond. yet in the same breath are bemoaning we arent in finals,
geez we are either mediocre hence we arent in finals or we arent mediocre and should be in finals which one is it.
personally i think people are pointing the finger at the wrong targets we have far too many mediocre footballers who will always fail when push comes to shove. imo over the last 3 seasons we are slowly but surely rectifying that problem but it takes time.
Il give you some good examples of medicority and why we dont play finals.
e.g 1. Mcguane 3 year deal 450k or whatever it was. Average football wont take us anywhere yet still gets a game ahead of youth. why?
e.g 2. Daniel Jackson. 6th yr average footballer. Shows toughness but thats it. Is STILL in the leadership group.
Signed up for 2 yrs pre season why? What incentive did he have to get better???????????
e.g 3. Shane Tuck made an example of last year where really he is one of very few who does what is asked most weeks.
e.g 4. White/Edwards/Graham etc Why are these blokes still on our list. Few good games and yep here they are again.
e.g 5. Miller. For weeks i couldnt see any sense in playing him ahead of Brett O and Elton
When poo comes hit the fan about 6 weeks ago all of a sudden we saw Miller get dropped and young guys getting game time.
Go back and see that some of us knew this would happen after a few injuries.
Geelong great example of selecting a first gamer here and there during season proper then watch them grow as the year gets on. (Smedts/Duncan).
This IMO was the biggest mistake hardwick has made this year, not blodding enough youngsters.
No matter how poor some of the players mentioned above have been i really believe that most other clubs wouldnt have lost the games we did and in the manner that we did.
Other clubs wouldve made more than 2 finals in 30 years.
Depth can only help our list. Its Culture that makes a club and we dont have it when we have Jackson and co still in the leadership group and Jack R crying like a biatch when he doesnt get his own way
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have read this thread thru and i dont get it.
people are stating quite correctly that theres plenty of mediocrity at richmond. yet in the same breath are bemoaning we arent in finals,
geez we are either mediocre hence we arent in finals or we arent mediocre and should be in finals which one is it.
personally i think people are pointing the finger at the wrong targets we have far too many mediocre footballers who will always fail when push comes to shove. imo over the last 3 seasons we are slowly but surely rectifying that problem but it takes time.
Il give you some good examples of medicority and why we dont play finals.
e.g 1. Mcguane 3 year deal 450k or whatever it was. Average football wont take us anywhere yet still gets a game ahead of youth. why?
e.g 2. Daniel Jackson. 6th yr average footballer. Shows toughness but thats it. Is STILL in the leadership group.
Signed up for 2 yrs pre season why? What incentive did he have to get better???????????
e.g 3. Shane Tuck made an example of last year where really he is one of very few who does what is asked most weeks.
e.g 4. White/Edwards/Graham etc Why are these blokes still on our list. Few good games and yep here they are again.
e.g 5. Miller. For weeks i couldnt see any sense in playing him ahead of Brett O and Elton
When poo comes hit the fan about 6 weeks ago all of a sudden we saw Miller get dropped and young guys getting game time.
Go back and see that some of us knew this would happen after a few injuries.
Geelong great example of selecting a first gamer here and there during season proper then watch them grow as the year gets on. (Smedts/Duncan).
This IMO was the biggest mistake hardwick has made this year, not blodding enough youngsters.
No matter how poor some of the players mentioned above have been i really believe that most other clubs wouldnt have lost the games we did and in the manner that we did.
Other clubs wouldve made more than 2 finals in 30 years.
Depth can only help our list. Its Culture that makes a club and we dont have it when we have Jackson and co still in the leadership group and Jack R crying like a biatch when he doesnt get his own way
:thumbsup
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"It looks as though we have very dumb football players playing for us but I ask would those players made the same fundamental errors if playing at Collingwood or Hawthorn or the Swans."
Pretty sure the Hawks had Tiger jumpers underneath last night, no other way to explain that last minute.
Very good y&b.
Let me ask you something.......
Will hawthorn and Geelong play finals?
Or do they only dream about playing finals?
Both teams have proven they have great culture over a number of years.
My point is we don't have a good culture as yet.
My point FWIW, intent and capability don't always work in concert, it appears you think if you have the right culture if you have one (intent) the other just follows (referencing magpies circa 2002/03).
That makes me :huh
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"It looks as though we have very dumb football players playing for us but I ask would those players made the same fundamental errors if playing at Collingwood or Hawthorn or the Swans."
Pretty sure the Hawks had Tiger jumpers underneath last night, no other way to explain that last minute.
Very good y&b.
Let me ask you something.......
Will hawthorn and Geelong play finals?
Or do they only dream about playing finals?
Both teams have proven they have great culture over a number of years.
My point is we don't have a good culture as yet.
This i agree with, and it is a vastly different thing to saying we still have the same culture that permeated the club under wallace
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have read this thread thru and i dont get it.
people are stating quite correctly that theres plenty of mediocrity at richmond. yet in the same breath are bemoaning we arent in finals,
geez we are either mediocre hence we arent in finals or we arent mediocre and should be in finals which one is it.
personally i think people are pointing the finger at the wrong targets we have far too many mediocre footballers who will always fail when push comes to shove. imo over the last 3 seasons we are slowly but surely rectifying that problem but it takes time.
Il give you some good examples of medicority and why we dont play finals.
e.g 1. Mcguane 3 year deal 450k or whatever it was. Average football wont take us anywhere yet still gets a game ahead of youth. why?
e.g 2. Daniel Jackson. 6th yr average footballer. Shows toughness but thats it. Is STILL in the leadership group.
Signed up for 2 yrs pre season why? What incentive did he have to get better???????????
e.g 3. Shane Tuck made an example of last year where really he is one of very few who does what is asked most weeks.
e.g 4. White/Edwards/Graham etc Why are these blokes still on our list. Few good games and yep here they are again.
e.g 5. Miller. For weeks i couldnt see any sense in playing him ahead of Brett O and Elton
When poo comes hit the fan about 6 weeks ago all of a sudden we saw Miller get dropped and young guys getting game time.
Go back and see that some of us knew this would happen after a few injuries.
Geelong great example of selecting a first gamer here and there during season proper then watch them grow as the year gets on. (Smedts/Duncan).
This IMO was the biggest mistake hardwick has made this year, not blodding enough youngsters.
No matter how poor some of the players mentioned above have been i really believe that most other clubs wouldnt have lost the games we did and in the manner that we did.
Other clubs wouldve made more than 2 finals in 30 years.
Depth can only help our list. Its Culture that makes a club and we dont have it when we have Jackson and co still in the leadership group and Jack R crying like a biatch when he doesnt get his own way
Yep 100% correct :clapping
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have read this thread thru and i dont get it.
people are stating quite correctly that theres plenty of mediocrity at richmond. yet in the same breath are bemoaning we arent in finals,
geez we are either mediocre hence we arent in finals or we arent mediocre and should be in finals which one is it.
personally i think people are pointing the finger at the wrong targets we have far too many mediocre footballers who will always fail when push comes to shove. imo over the last 3 seasons we are slowly but surely rectifying that problem but it takes time.
You Said all teams were in the same boat when it came to late picks in the draft. You told us to look it up. I gave you 2 examples of teams that had done ok with late picks and you haven't replied.
I'm still waiting. It's on another thread.
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"It looks as though we have very dumb football players playing for us but I ask would those players made the same fundamental errors if playing at Collingwood or Hawthorn or the Swans."
Pretty sure the Hawks had Tiger jumpers underneath last night, no other way to explain that last minute.
Very good y&b.
Let me ask you something.......
Will hawthorn and Geelong play finals?
Or do they only dream about playing finals?
Both teams have proven they have great culture over a number of years.
My point is we don't have a good culture as yet.
This i agree with, and it is a vastly different thing to saying we still have the same culture that permeated the club under wallace
it sure is vastly different to what hes been saying.
i wonder when it changes again. thing is when you look at the list and the kpis that govern onfield success we are a good chance to miss finals again next yr unless of course we manage to bring in a load of decent experienced players and kids who are ready to go. thats just the state of the list atm.
winning culture is nothing more than actually having enough players capable of winning games of footy for you. we just dont have enough. geelong and hawthorn just happen to have very good depth and their fair share of a and b graders with lots of experience and lots of players who are in the right age brackets with plenty of games behind them. they have depth and very good structures. they win games of footy most of the time because they have the players capable of winning most of the time.
recruit well build a strong list and develop well and winning culture will take care of itself. you cant win games of footy with out the cattle even if your culture is excellent.
daniel and others constantly criticise players and in most cases the players deserve criticiseing that part they have right.
what they have wrong is expecting to win games with the very players they criticise.
on different sites this yr and previous yrs ive had to argue that teams like nm game was a 50/50 game or worse. gc was a 50/50 game brisbane was always a 50/50 game gws was always going to be a test melbourne 50/50 need i go on. why but blokes like daniel argue we should win it.
only when we get enough players into the a and b categories. that is our fair share of elite and very good players.
only when we get enough decent players with enough games behind them. only when we have enough older heads and bigger bodies in the right age groups.
only when we build some depth and enough of the kids develop over a 3 or 4 yr period and become good consistent players will we become a genuine finals contender and not a minute before.
focusing on the win loss column ignores all these things and more and really is irrelevant until we actually tick all of these boxes.
if mediocrity is tantamount to players and some individuals not being good enough then yes we have our fair share of mediocrity. in saying that we most certainly have had our faoir share of improvement in many key areas and we just need to keep on working on areas that we need to do better at. this has not changed one bit not since the start of the yr or now.
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Get rid of mediocrity and average players play better. You can even make finals.
Then you get the mix right to push for a premiership.
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have read this thread thru and i dont get it.
people are stating quite correctly that theres plenty of mediocrity at richmond. yet in the same breath are bemoaning we arent in finals,
geez we are either mediocre hence we arent in finals or we arent mediocre and should be in finals which one is it.
personally i think people are pointing the finger at the wrong targets we have far too many mediocre footballers who will always fail when push comes to shove. imo over the last 3 seasons we are slowly but surely rectifying that problem but it takes time.
You Said all teams were in the same boat when it came to late picks in the draft. You told us to look it up. I gave you 2 examples of teams that had done ok with late picks and you haven't replied.
I'm still waiting. It's on another thread.
yes all teams are in the same boat. did you look up the overall succes rate or did you just t take a couple of isolated instances.
as i said on the other thread just useing rookies as an example there have been nearly 1000 players taken in the rookie draft just how many have been successful picks you do the work and tell me. im willing to bet it would be close to or just either side of 1 in 6. i have clearly said picks after the third round in the nd would not be much better.
ive answered on the other thread so keep your knickers on im not here at your beck and call i have other things to do than just post on this forum.