Mediocrity still reigns

[Tigeritis™©®]

why do you think hardwick is too lenient?
because he doesnt give it to the players in public?

just midless blood lust

Because they continue to lose the unlosable.
We are the only team not to have beaten GoldCoast.
Players make dumb fundamental errors you learn not to make in junior footy.
Do you want more?.....

.... Oh yeh! He continued to play Brad Miller. 

[Penelope]

according to richo, hardwick gave the team a massive spay at half time.

So according to your theory we should have won.............

[Hellenic Tiger]

You can yell all you want but if a large part of the herd is not good enough to execute the coaches instructions then you need to look at the cattle.

Unfortunantely we have some terrible bovines.

[Tigeritis™©®]

according to richo, hardwick gave the team a massive spay at half time.

So according to your theory we should have won.............

too late at half time Al.

This needs to be done when he walked through the doors. And at the beginning of preseason training and again before nab cup and again before the season proper. Every time they train, they eat, they sleep they fart it has to be done with excellence in mind.
The standard must be raised at tigerland.
A spray at half time isn't going to wash if you aren't ruthless with them from the beginning of the week or even the beginning of the year.

[Penelope]

oh, so how do you explain the good wins against hawks and sydney.
hardwick was ruthless for that period of time but not the rest?

and now you are saying that every day, hardwick should start off with giving the players a bake? eff i feel sorry for your kids or anyone that works under you if that how you view the world.

according to your queer little theory, all the sides that lose a game, their coaches are not ruthless enough? so where does a side like your beloved bombers fit into this little idea of yours. perhaps hird and thompson play the good coach/bad coach routine, which means that when they were doing OK, the bad angry coach was showing through, but now they are getting pumped (despite this much admired winning culture they have) it is the good, friendly coach shining through?

Eff me, you sprout some simplistic illogical crap, but wow,...just wow.

yep lets get a coach that just gets angry all the time and premiership here we come

[Francois Jackson]

Good wins against hawks and swans

Hahahaha

We match the hawks most years as we do the swans

What good did winning those  matches get you when you lose to GC. No where

The only people that remember those cheap wins are people like you

A good stern coach would've dumped Jackson from the l group straight away to set an example to the entire group, but not at Punt Road

Talking to at half time. Hahahahahahaha when the season is over

[Chuck17]

We match the hawks most years as we do the swans

We do?

[Francois Jackson]

We match the hawks most years as we do the swans

We do?

As opposed to other teams in the 8. Damn straight

Hawks Beat them in 2008
Lost in dying seconds in 2010

Swans beaten them a few times at the G under Dimma

Those wins mean squat now absolute squat

Saints win was different we finally got one back.

Ooh well another year of excuses forthcoming

[Hellenic Tiger]

We match the hawks most years as we do the swans

We do?

We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.

[the claw]

why do you think hardwick is too lenient?
because he doesnt give it to the players in public?

just midless blood lust

Because they continue to lose the unlosable.
We are the only team not to have beaten GoldCoast.
Players make dumb fundamental errors you learn not to make in junior footy.
Do you want more?.....

.... Oh yeh! He continued to play Brad Miller. 

you see thats where you were wrong and obviously deluded. the gc game was very losable.

the simple fact of the whole debate is our best 22 or i would argue 16 18 is very competetive. yep competetive not good enough  just competetive.

as soon as injuries and suspensions kicked in we became a bottom echelon side this was always on the cards.  if you didnt get your unrealistic hopes up so much early in the yr you would not be having such hissy fits nows.

it will happen again next yr.  supporters ignoring all the key performance indicators and when we lose games because of a lack of depth and experience,  when injuries kick in the wrist slashing will start all over again.

i have one question to ask everyone. did none of you expect a rookie coach not to make his fair share of mistakes in his first 4 or 5 seasons.

the list and most agreed at the start of the yr was a 10th thru 13th placed list well guess what that is where we will finish.

so many on here wanted finals this yr and hardwick to our detriment imo went after them.
he has played miller mcguane jackson king nahas vickery houli and a few others regularly for no other reason than atm they give us a better chance to win than playing some kids in their place does.
 yet the same people moaning about missing the 8 and not winning games moan and whinge about not playing more kids seems to me whatever hardwick does he cant win.

me ive always maintained we are still in a fairly early development stage and getting games into kids should have been the priority i if i have a criticism of hardwick it is this.

next yr we will still be very much in development and as such getting games into kids should remain the main focus.

[Francois Jackson]

We match the hawks most years as we do the swans

We do?

We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.

I suggest you have a look at our record against the Swans at the G

2012. Win
2011. Win
2010. Win
2007. Win

We have beaten them
3 yrs in a row at the G

Those wins means skata to me. It's losses against rubbish like GC and Blues which shows how pathetic our club is

No improvement in 2012 still the same laughing stock we were 12 mths ago

[Hellenic Tiger]

We match the hawks most years as we do the swans

We do?

We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.

I suggest you have a look at our record against the Swans at the G

2012. Win
2011. Win
2010. Win
2007. Win

We have beaten them
3 yrs in a row at the G

Those wins means skata to me. It's losses against rubbish like GC and Blues which shows how pathetic our club is

No improvement in 2012 still the same laughing stock we were 12 mths ago

2007 loss in Round 2. Remember in 07 we lost our first 9 drew against Brissy and beat Melbourne in round 12. Beat Sydney by 1 point in 05 and in between that win our the one in 2010 some almighty thumpings by 118, 48, 16, 66, 82, 19, 55 and 55. Would hardly call that a good recent history Daniel. 4 from 13 is hardly flattering Daniel.

Lets look at Hawthorn post 2005 when we beat them twice by 14 and 4 points
06 lost by 41 in Tassie
07 lost by 53 at the G
08 lost by 12 at the G won by 29 in round 20 when they were tuning up for finals remember what we thought of that win come round 1 2009
09 lost by 42 at the G
10 lost by 3 at the G
11 lost by 63 at the G
12 we won by 62

Hardly a record with anything to write home about although if you want to give the RFC credit on 2 occasions in 2010 and this year after they played us their season transformed magnificently and in 2008 they lost to us tuning up for their Qualifying Final against the Dogs and didn't lose again for the season. 4 from 10 better than Sydney but hey its still skata.

[the claw]

i still remember paul roos saying when asked a question about sysdey saying he and his players found it very hard to get motivated when playing sides like richmond. sometimes just going thru the motions you get bit on the arse.

[the claw]

have to ask even if we won against carlton or gc what would you take out of it. very little imo skills  by both sides were terrible,  mistakes were terrible and many, there was little system. yet the game against stkilda was  top notch  we played some highly skilled mistake free footy with system against hawthorn and the same can be said in other games we have lost.

sometimes losing and the way you lose says more about a side than winning.
we have won some games this yr that were terrible we have lost some that were pretty good in the main.

the carlton game we were terrible and lost it happens.

[Penelope]

We match the hawks most years as we do the swans

We do?

We only beat the Swans for the first time in 5 years in 2010 and last year we lost to the Hawks by 63 points but lets not get facts in the way of a angry rant after a poor result against the filth.

I suggest you have a look at our record against the Swans at the G

2012. Win
2011. Win
2010. Win
2007. Win

We have beaten them
3 yrs in a row at the G

Those wins means skata to me. It's losses against rubbish like GC and Blues which shows how pathetic our club is

No improvement in 2012 still the same laughing stock we were 12 mths ago

three wins in three years, yep. the three years under hardwick that that is. before that we had not beaten them for 3 years, which was what once in 5 years or something?
now thats what i call a doing well against a side
The swans like nearly every side in the comp has had our meause consitently over a long period of time. the only side we could go close to claiming a good record against was essendon, andt only because they took us lightly.

But i understand, that to simple minds the fact that we made 11 changes in 2 weeks when we played the suns will mean nothing. miserable pricks will always want to find negatives and drag things down o their level, while ignoring that we have beaten the top 2 sides this year and only had one loss greater than 4 goals. thus satisying their emo urges in their black and white way, that we have not improved at all.

as ox says, water and people find their own level.