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Title: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on May 08, 2016, 10:51:46 PM
Tigers open themselves to poaching raid

Herald-Sun
May 9, 2016


RICHMOND has a worrying 22 players still out of contract this year, including its entire middle tier and four first-round draft selections.

After the Tigers’ poor start to the season, managers are keen to assess their players’ position but the club is also happy to delay some talks.

Richmond’s list has been the subject of intense speculation and Punt Rd was dubbed ‘‘The Home of the List Cloggers” by former Tigers assistant coach David King before Friday night’s sixth successive loss.

The ruck division, the key-position players and high draft picks Nick Vlastuin, Corey Ellis, Reece Conca and Ty Vickery are yet to sign.

It will give list manager Blair Hartley and football boss Dan Richardson maximum flexibility as they chart a way forward for the Tigers.

But the delay hands clubs a real chance of poaching unsecured players.

Vickery, Conca, Ben Griffiths and David Astbury have been targets in the past.

Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year.

Every club has a third or more of its list coming out of contract each year, but Richmond’s position is extreme.

Richardson admitted last week the club had a decision to make about luring a big fish or going back to the draft to secure a young star.

“The list strategy won’t change,’’ he said.

“Clearly we need to improve our top-end talent and the best way to do that is through early draft picks, which we don’t know whether we’ve got yet, or bringing in some A-grade talent and to do that you need to give up early draft picks to get that talent in.

“If it does turn out that we get ... a top-10 pick, then clearly that gives us more currency to either bring in an established player or recruit a high-end talent through the draft.”

Vlastuin, sixth in last year’s Jack Dyer Medal, has become one of Richmond’s most reliable medium-sized defenders, but neither party is in a rush to starts talks.

He is expected to sign another deal at Richmond.

The Herald Sun understands Bachar Houli is now contracted until the end of 2017 after fulfilling a trigger clause in his contract.

Houli has been one of the club’s most consistent defenders but after a series of turnovers this year has been symptomatic of their current malaise.

The Tigers had hoped to stockpile a strong band of developing talls that would give them a powerful hand at the trade table.

But free agent Vickery, Griffiths, VFL regular Liam McBean and defenders Astbury and Jake Batchelor have stagnated.

Astbury started the season strongly but was dropped last week.

Richmond’s two 30-plus players, Troy Chaplin and Ivan Maric, are uncontracted and have uncertain futures.

Maric has been badly hampered by a back injury and Chaplin is coming to the end of a four-year deal, having provided excellent service in 2013-14.

GRAB A TIGER

Out of contract players include:


Nick Vlastuin

Reece Conca

Ty Vickery

Troy Chaplin

Shaun Grigg

David Astbury

Ben Griffiths

Sam Lloyd

Kane Lambert

Jake Batchelor

Corey Ellis

Liam McBean

Shaun Hampson

Andrew Moore

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-open-to-poaching-raid-from-rival-clubs-with-22-players-out-of-contract/news-story/b1d5a9f29c332c1801983aae632d89fc
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Diocletian on May 08, 2016, 11:31:50 PM
Re-sign: Vlastuin, C.Ellis. Lambert & McBean.

Let Vickery walk for a compo pick.

stuff the rest - trade/delist.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 08, 2016, 11:44:12 PM
Poach away boys

Take em all
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on May 09, 2016, 12:27:24 AM
Chaplin, at the end of 2013, signed a 3-year deal with a conditional 4th year. So he's only out of contract if the 4th year isn't triggered.


Maric, Menadue, McKenzie and Butler are also out of contract according to OER's contracts list:



Contracts List:

2016: Astbury, Batchelor, Butler, Chaplin, Conca, C.Ellis, Griffiths, Grigg, Hampson, Lambert, Lloyd, Maric, McBean, McKenzie, Menadue, A.Moore, Vickery, Vlastuin

2017: Broad, Deledio, Drummond, B.Ellis, Elton, Houli, Hunt, Lennon, Markov, Martin, McIntosh, Miles, Morris, Rioli, Townsend

2018: Grimes, Yarran

2019: Edwards, Rance, Riewoldt

2020: Cotchin

Rookies: 

Short - second year.
Castagna - second year.
C.Moore - first year.
Chol - first year.
Marcon - first year.
Soldo - second year (non-registered rookie)

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Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 09, 2016, 01:13:20 AM
"Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year."

 :shh :rollin
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Andyy on May 09, 2016, 01:13:30 AM
Floss, Lloyd, Lambert and Ellis.

Let the rest get poached. No major loss.


Maybe sure Chaplin doesn't trigger a contract extension clause. If it means keeping him in the VFL just stuffing do it lmao
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Andyy on May 09, 2016, 01:14:40 AM
Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: MintOnLamb on May 09, 2016, 01:40:30 AM
"Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year."

 :shh :rollin
PANIC STATIONS :banghead :lol :lol :lol
Should be the very first one to go.
I heard Nagambie under 12's are after him. :shh
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Diocletian on May 09, 2016, 04:18:26 AM
All just further illustrates how urgently we need to get rid of the idiots currently running our football department.

Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on May 09, 2016, 05:39:10 AM
Chaplin, at the end of 2013, signed a 3-year deal with a conditional 4th year. So he's only out of contract if the 4th year isn't triggered.

That's confusing. Does that mean we signed him as a free agent in 2012 to a one-year deal?
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 09, 2016, 06:20:46 AM
"Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year."

 :shh :rollin

 :lol

The Benny hill  show must go on
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 06:51:56 AM
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Ruanaidh on May 09, 2016, 07:02:47 AM
Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 09, 2016, 07:15:45 AM
Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive

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Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 09, 2016, 07:16:17 AM
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day

Sleep under their desks.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 07:22:04 AM
Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PTpLVOUx0D8/hqdefault.jpg)

 :clapping
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 09, 2016, 08:32:20 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 08:44:12 AM
Megalo megalo megalo"
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Owl on May 09, 2016, 09:34:42 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ. 
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 09:39:02 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.

He's saying we just a pimple on the ass of the us war machine

Quite irrelevant

Like te majority if te Richmond out of contract players...
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 09, 2016, 10:05:16 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.
Oh wise one is back! Welcome back Owl!  :cheers :bow :clapping :clapping
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: WA Tiger on May 09, 2016, 10:39:30 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....

What a stupid reference.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 10:40:33 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....

What a stupid reference.

its was fairy on point  :clapping
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Owl on May 09, 2016, 10:46:21 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.
Oh wise one is back! Welcome back Owl!  :cheers :bow :clapping :clapping
I have returned to restore the glory
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Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: WA Tiger on May 09, 2016, 10:49:17 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....

What a stupid reference.

its was fairy on point  :clapping

Yep, fairy.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 09, 2016, 10:58:03 AM
I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.

Nothing to do with Australian military - actually nothing but respect for every soldier who ever fought for this country.
It's an ironic post.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 11:03:10 AM
Support the war

Not the troops
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Yeahright on May 09, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.

Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?

How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.

Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Jonesracing82 on May 09, 2016, 05:56:37 PM
the Herald sun have lost the plot, last week our list was no good & we were also irrelevant..... this week we are at risk of our Players being poached? which is it?
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 09, 2016, 05:57:46 PM
the Herald sun have lost the plot, last week our list was no good & we were also irrelevant..... this week we are at risk of our Players being poached? which is it?
Good point! :clapping
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 07:54:54 PM
Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.

Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?

How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.

Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol

It's not like we are flush with young talent ... We should be signin up young highly rated players long term early. Footballmanager 101. And trying poach similar players from other sides   

We should have signed c Ellis vlastuin long term this time last year. Why not back in young high picks we recently drafted. We should be resigning martin , rioli, deledio now. It's unprofessional to allow the best talents contracts to run down into the last weeks. Like the Lennon circus   
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Puntroadroar on May 09, 2016, 08:36:07 PM
LMAO, this is perfect list management, let them all bloody go and start again. 8 year rebuild this time
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 09, 2016, 10:30:24 PM
2017: B.Ellis, Houli, Hunt, Morris, Townsend

 :-\
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: big tone on May 10, 2016, 12:10:36 AM
2017: B.Ellis, Houli, Hunt, Morris, Townsend

 :-\
I cannot watch another year of BEllis and Houli.
Who would win a fight between those two?... Nobody.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: wayne on May 10, 2016, 06:56:36 AM
I'm not worried, we fought off a pack of wolves to get Hardwicks signature, we'll re-sign all our spuds again on big deals  :clapping
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: unplugged on May 10, 2016, 12:19:54 PM
Take them all.

Only untouchables on our list are Rance and Riewoldt.  Quality key position players are expensive to replace.

I would start shopping Cotchin around now.  He would have huge trade value.

The deal for Deledio would have to be huge as he is one of the few players on our list who shows leadership, can kick a footy, and isn't slow.  He should be captain.

Take whatever we can get for the rest and start rebuilding.  Having a team of middle tier duds is not going to get us anywhere.  Need to get rid of the recruiting department or we will just end up with the next generation of duds.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 10, 2016, 12:32:59 PM
Cotchin would go alright at Sydney or Geelong
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Yeahright on May 10, 2016, 01:36:48 PM
the Herald sun have lost the plot, last week our list was no good & we were also irrelevant..... this week we are at risk of our Players being poached? which is it?
Good point! :clapping

Apparently because it was a question it can't be a good point. Just so you know
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Yeahright on May 10, 2016, 01:38:29 PM
Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.

Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?

How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.

Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol

It's not like we are flush with young talent ... We should be signin up young highly rated players long term early. Footballmanager 101. And trying poach similar players from other sides   

We should have signed c Ellis vlastuin long term this time last year. Why not back in young high picks we recently drafted. We should be resigning martin , rioli, deledio now. It's unprofessional to allow the best talents contracts to run down into the last weeks. Like the Lennon circus

 :lol :lol :lol Sign C.Ellis to a long term deal 7 rounds into his career (which would have been what, 2-3 games?). I rate the kid but why would you sign him up long term not even half way through his first year? Hasn't even finished his first contract and you want to sign him for 5 years
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: (•))(©™ on May 10, 2016, 01:38:44 PM
Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PTpLVOUx0D8/hqdefault.jpg)

This.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 10, 2016, 01:44:30 PM
Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.

Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?

How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.

Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol

It's not like we are flush with young talent ... We should be signin up young highly rated players long term early. Footballmanager 101. And trying poach similar players from other sides   

We should have signed c Ellis vlastuin long term this time last year. Why not back in young high picks we recently drafted. We should be resigning martin , rioli, deledio now. It's unprofessional to allow the best talents contracts to run down into the last weeks. Like the Lennon circus

 :lol :lol :lol Sign C.Ellis to a long term deal 7 rounds into his career (which would have been what, 2-3 games?). I rate the kid but why would you sign him up long term not even half way through his first year? Hasn't even finished his first contract and you want to sign him for 5 years

Cause you draft him with a first rounder
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Penelope on May 10, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
so why not give all your first round picks a 5 year deal straight up?
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 10, 2016, 01:51:37 PM
so why not give all your first round picks a 5 year deal straight up?

should rioli be resigned now?

yes. obviously
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Penelope on May 10, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
obviously.
5 years or 10?
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on May 10, 2016, 01:59:20 PM
obviously.
5 years or 10?

3 with 2 year option
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Penelope on May 10, 2016, 02:01:42 PM
what clause can the player utilise to not take up the option?
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Diocletian on May 10, 2016, 02:09:50 PM
The right to play at a well run club with a realistic chance at a premiership in the next decade clause?
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Yeahright on May 10, 2016, 02:42:55 PM
obviously.
5 years or 10?

3 with 2 year option

So if we'll be stuck with him for a minimum of 5 years, possibly know he's a dud before then but could still have him for 7 years? Also, most kids would be pretty keen to improve before they sign any long term contracts...more money.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Diocletian on May 10, 2016, 03:00:07 PM



So if we'll be stuck with him for a minimum of 5 years, possibly know he's a dud before then but could still have him for 7 years?

Yeah it's not like he's our coach.....
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Andyy on May 10, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.

Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?

How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.

Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol


Lennon not too stiff IMO, would like to see him more but is he 'smashing down the door' so to say? Basically almost any player is tradeable if you get a good enough deal.

I'd let Riewoldt and Rance go to say Geelong if they offered us Selwood, Dangerfield, Hawkins and Taylor. Clearly that won't happen but suffice to say if a decent deal is offered for blokes like Lennon and McIntosh I wouldn't be too upset to see them go at this stage.


Elton beyond this year depends entirely on whether or not Hardwick has the balls to play him for the rest of the season and just admit that Astbury is crap and Chaplin is finished.
Title: Re: Tigers open themselves to poaching raid ..... (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Yeahright on May 10, 2016, 10:32:06 PM
Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.

Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?

How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.

Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals

What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol


Lennon not too stiff IMO, would like to see him more but is he 'smashing down the door' so to say? Basically almost any player is tradeable if you get a good enough deal.

I'd let Riewoldt and Rance go to say Geelong if they offered us Selwood, Dangerfield, Hawkins and Taylor. Clearly that won't happen but suffice to say if a decent deal is offered for blokes like Lennon and McIntosh I wouldn't be too upset to see them go at this stage.


Elton beyond this year depends entirely on whether or not Hardwick has the balls to play him for the rest of the season and just admit that Astbury is crap and Chaplin is finished.

The right deal yes, I just took "stuff them off" as delist or trade for peanuts. Can't argue with the explanation though :thumbsup