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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 08, 2016, 10:51:46 PM
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Tigers open themselves to poaching raid
Herald-Sun
May 9, 2016
RICHMOND has a worrying 22 players still out of contract this year, including its entire middle tier and four first-round draft selections.
After the Tigers’ poor start to the season, managers are keen to assess their players’ position but the club is also happy to delay some talks.
Richmond’s list has been the subject of intense speculation and Punt Rd was dubbed ‘‘The Home of the List Cloggers” by former Tigers assistant coach David King before Friday night’s sixth successive loss.
The ruck division, the key-position players and high draft picks Nick Vlastuin, Corey Ellis, Reece Conca and Ty Vickery are yet to sign.
It will give list manager Blair Hartley and football boss Dan Richardson maximum flexibility as they chart a way forward for the Tigers.
But the delay hands clubs a real chance of poaching unsecured players.
Vickery, Conca, Ben Griffiths and David Astbury have been targets in the past.
Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year.
Every club has a third or more of its list coming out of contract each year, but Richmond’s position is extreme.
Richardson admitted last week the club had a decision to make about luring a big fish or going back to the draft to secure a young star.
“The list strategy won’t change,’’ he said.
“Clearly we need to improve our top-end talent and the best way to do that is through early draft picks, which we don’t know whether we’ve got yet, or bringing in some A-grade talent and to do that you need to give up early draft picks to get that talent in.
“If it does turn out that we get ... a top-10 pick, then clearly that gives us more currency to either bring in an established player or recruit a high-end talent through the draft.”
Vlastuin, sixth in last year’s Jack Dyer Medal, has become one of Richmond’s most reliable medium-sized defenders, but neither party is in a rush to starts talks.
He is expected to sign another deal at Richmond.
The Herald Sun understands Bachar Houli is now contracted until the end of 2017 after fulfilling a trigger clause in his contract.
Houli has been one of the club’s most consistent defenders but after a series of turnovers this year has been symptomatic of their current malaise.
The Tigers had hoped to stockpile a strong band of developing talls that would give them a powerful hand at the trade table.
But free agent Vickery, Griffiths, VFL regular Liam McBean and defenders Astbury and Jake Batchelor have stagnated.
Astbury started the season strongly but was dropped last week.
Richmond’s two 30-plus players, Troy Chaplin and Ivan Maric, are uncontracted and have uncertain futures.
Maric has been badly hampered by a back injury and Chaplin is coming to the end of a four-year deal, having provided excellent service in 2013-14.
GRAB A TIGER
Out of contract players include:
Nick Vlastuin
Reece Conca
Ty Vickery
Troy Chaplin
Shaun Grigg
David Astbury
Ben Griffiths
Sam Lloyd
Kane Lambert
Jake Batchelor
Corey Ellis
Liam McBean
Shaun Hampson
Andrew Moore
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-open-to-poaching-raid-from-rival-clubs-with-22-players-out-of-contract/news-story/b1d5a9f29c332c1801983aae632d89fc
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Re-sign: Vlastuin, C.Ellis. Lambert & McBean.
Let Vickery walk for a compo pick.
stuff the rest - trade/delist.
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Poach away boys
Take em all
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Chaplin, at the end of 2013, signed a 3-year deal with a conditional 4th year. So he's only out of contract if the 4th year isn't triggered.
Maric, Menadue, McKenzie and Butler are also out of contract according to OER's contracts list:
Contracts List:
2016: Astbury, Batchelor, Butler, Chaplin, Conca, C.Ellis, Griffiths, Grigg, Hampson, Lambert, Lloyd, Maric, McBean, McKenzie, Menadue, A.Moore, Vickery, Vlastuin
2017: Broad, Deledio, Drummond, B.Ellis, Elton, Houli, Hunt, Lennon, Markov, Martin, McIntosh, Miles, Morris, Rioli, Townsend
2018: Grimes, Yarran
2019: Edwards, Rance, Riewoldt
2020: Cotchin
Rookies:
Short - second year.
Castagna - second year.
C.Moore - first year.
Chol - first year.
Marcon - first year.
Soldo - second year (non-registered rookie)
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"Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year."
:shh :rollin
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Floss, Lloyd, Lambert and Ellis.
Let the rest get poached. No major loss.
Maybe sure Chaplin doesn't trigger a contract extension clause. If it means keeping him in the VFL just stuffing do it lmao
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Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
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"Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year."
:shh :rollin
PANIC STATIONS :banghead :lol :lol :lol
Should be the very first one to go.
I heard Nagambie under 12's are after him. :shh
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All just further illustrates how urgently we need to get rid of the idiots currently running our football department.
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Chaplin, at the end of 2013, signed a 3-year deal with a conditional 4th year. So he's only out of contract if the 4th year isn't triggered.
That's confusing. Does that mean we signed him as a free agent in 2012 to a one-year deal?
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"Despite reports he is out of contract, Hartley, tasked with luring players from other clubs, has a deal until the end of next year."
:shh :rollin
:lol
The Benny hill show must go on
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Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
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Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive
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Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive
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Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
Sleep under their desks.
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Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive
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:clapping
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
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Megalo megalo megalo"
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.
He's saying we just a pimple on the ass of the us war machine
Quite irrelevant
Like te majority if te Richmond out of contract players...
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.
Oh wise one is back! Welcome back Owl! :cheers :bow :clapping :clapping
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
What a stupid reference.
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
What a stupid reference.
its was fairy on point :clapping
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.
Oh wise one is back! Welcome back Owl! :cheers :bow :clapping :clapping
I have returned to restore the glory
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
What a stupid reference.
its was fairy on point :clapping
Yep, fairy.
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I reckon other clubs would react to this article in a similar way to the way the Taliban reacted when told Australia was part of the military going to Afghanistan in 2003....
Tell me all about the Australian Military and your thoughts on it champ.
Nothing to do with Australian military - actually nothing but respect for every soldier who ever fought for this country.
It's an ironic post.
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Support the war
Not the troops
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Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?
How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol
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the Herald sun have lost the plot, last week our list was no good & we were also irrelevant..... this week we are at risk of our Players being poached? which is it?
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the Herald sun have lost the plot, last week our list was no good & we were also irrelevant..... this week we are at risk of our Players being poached? which is it?
Good point! :clapping
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Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?
How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol
It's not like we are flush with young talent ... We should be signin up young highly rated players long term early. Footballmanager 101. And trying poach similar players from other sides
We should have signed c Ellis vlastuin long term this time last year. Why not back in young high picks we recently drafted. We should be resigning martin , rioli, deledio now. It's unprofessional to allow the best talents contracts to run down into the last weeks. Like the Lennon circus
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LMAO, this is perfect list management, let them all bloody go and start again. 8 year rebuild this time
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2017: B.Ellis, Houli, Hunt, Morris, Townsend
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2017: B.Ellis, Houli, Hunt, Morris, Townsend
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I cannot watch another year of BEllis and Houli.
Who would win a fight between those two?... Nobody.
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I'm not worried, we fought off a pack of wolves to get Hardwicks signature, we'll re-sign all our spuds again on big deals :clapping
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Take them all.
Only untouchables on our list are Rance and Riewoldt. Quality key position players are expensive to replace.
I would start shopping Cotchin around now. He would have huge trade value.
The deal for Deledio would have to be huge as he is one of the few players on our list who shows leadership, can kick a footy, and isn't slow. He should be captain.
Take whatever we can get for the rest and start rebuilding. Having a team of middle tier duds is not going to get us anywhere. Need to get rid of the recruiting department or we will just end up with the next generation of duds.
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Cotchin would go alright at Sydney or Geelong
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the Herald sun have lost the plot, last week our list was no good & we were also irrelevant..... this week we are at risk of our Players being poached? which is it?
Good point! :clapping
Apparently because it was a question it can't be a good point. Just so you know
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Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?
How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol
It's not like we are flush with young talent ... We should be signin up young highly rated players long term early. Footballmanager 101. And trying poach similar players from other sides
We should have signed c Ellis vlastuin long term this time last year. Why not back in young high picks we recently drafted. We should be resigning martin , rioli, deledio now. It's unprofessional to allow the best talents contracts to run down into the last weeks. Like the Lennon circus
:lol :lol :lol Sign C.Ellis to a long term deal 7 rounds into his career (which would have been what, 2-3 games?). I rate the kid but why would you sign him up long term not even half way through his first year? Hasn't even finished his first contract and you want to sign him for 5 years
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Grand sale.......Grand sale......Grand sale..... :highclap :highclap :highfive
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This.
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Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?
How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol
It's not like we are flush with young talent ... We should be signin up young highly rated players long term early. Footballmanager 101. And trying poach similar players from other sides
We should have signed c Ellis vlastuin long term this time last year. Why not back in young high picks we recently drafted. We should be resigning martin , rioli, deledio now. It's unprofessional to allow the best talents contracts to run down into the last weeks. Like the Lennon circus
:lol :lol :lol Sign C.Ellis to a long term deal 7 rounds into his career (which would have been what, 2-3 games?). I rate the kid but why would you sign him up long term not even half way through his first year? Hasn't even finished his first contract and you want to sign him for 5 years
Cause you draft him with a first rounder
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so why not give all your first round picks a 5 year deal straight up?
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so why not give all your first round picks a 5 year deal straight up?
should rioli be resigned now?
yes. obviously
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obviously.
5 years or 10?
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obviously.
5 years or 10?
3 with 2 year option
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what clause can the player utilise to not take up the option?
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The right to play at a well run club with a realistic chance at a premiership in the next decade clause?
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obviously.
5 years or 10?
3 with 2 year option
So if we'll be stuck with him for a minimum of 5 years, possibly know he's a dud before then but could still have him for 7 years? Also, most kids would be pretty keen to improve before they sign any long term contracts...more money.
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So if we'll be stuck with him for a minimum of 5 years, possibly know he's a dud before then but could still have him for 7 years?
Yeah it's not like he's our coach.....
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Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?
How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol
Lennon not too stiff IMO, would like to see him more but is he 'smashing down the door' so to say? Basically almost any player is tradeable if you get a good enough deal.
I'd let Riewoldt and Rance go to say Geelong if they offered us Selwood, Dangerfield, Hawkins and Taylor. Clearly that won't happen but suffice to say if a decent deal is offered for blokes like Lennon and McIntosh I wouldn't be too upset to see them go at this stage.
Elton beyond this year depends entirely on whether or not Hardwick has the balls to play him for the rest of the season and just admit that Astbury is crap and Chaplin is finished.
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Lids, Martin, Miles and Rioli should be offered contract extensions beyond 2017 this year. Stuff the rest of the '17 crew.
Bit stiff on Lennon and McIntosh, no?
How is Elton still going beyond this year :lol.
Why in gods name have c Ellis , vlastuin not yet been put on long term deals
What do these idiots in charge do all day
Ellis is in his second year and only now just getting consistant games, ease up :lol
Lennon not too stiff IMO, would like to see him more but is he 'smashing down the door' so to say? Basically almost any player is tradeable if you get a good enough deal.
I'd let Riewoldt and Rance go to say Geelong if they offered us Selwood, Dangerfield, Hawkins and Taylor. Clearly that won't happen but suffice to say if a decent deal is offered for blokes like Lennon and McIntosh I wouldn't be too upset to see them go at this stage.
Elton beyond this year depends entirely on whether or not Hardwick has the balls to play him for the rest of the season and just admit that Astbury is crap and Chaplin is finished.
The right deal yes, I just took "stuff them off" as delist or trade for peanuts. Can't argue with the explanation though :thumbsup