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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on December 03, 2019, 04:10:30 PM
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I haven't done one of these in a while.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2020 (start of the season)
31: Edwards (255), Houli (207), Riewoldt (262)
30: Cotchin (234), Rance (200)
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29: Astbury (129)
28: Grimes (151), Lambert (95), Martin (224), Pickett# (1)
27: Broad (54), Caddy (157), Lynch (156), Prestia (155)
26: McIntosh (90), Vlastuin (141)
25: Aarts# (-), Nankervis (71)
24: Short (71), Soldo (22)
23: Castagna (76), Markov (17), Rioli (77)
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22: Baker# (22), Chol# (10), Graham (39)
21: Bolton (28 ), Eggmolesse-Smith# (2), Garthwaite (9), Higgins (33), Naish (2)
20: Balta (13), Coleman-Jones (1), Collier-Dawkins (-), Miller (-)
19: English (-), Ross (7), Stack# (17), Turner (-)
18: Cumberland (-), Dow (-), Martyn (-), Nyuon (-), Ralphsmith (-)
# - rookies.
Oldies: 5
Prime: 18
Youth: 21
Average Age: 24.1 years
Experience
200+ games: 6
150-199: 4
100-149: 2
50-99: 7
25-49: 3
1-25: 12
Yet to debut: 10
Average games: 68.8
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 4 - Soldo (204), Chol (200), Coleman-Jones (200), Nankervis (199*)
Big KPPs (195-199): 4 - Lynch (199), Astbury (195), Miller (195), Nyuon (195)
KPPs/Utilities (191-194): 7 - Balta (194), Rance (194), Grimes (193), Riewoldt (193), Broad (192), Garthwaite (192), McIntosh (191)
Tall Mids (186-190): 8 - Collier-Dawkins (189), Markov (188 ), Ross (187), Martin (187), Vlastuin (187), Caddy (186), Ralphsmith (186), Turner (186)
Mids (181-185): 10 - Cotchin (185), Pickett (184), Cumberland (183), Martyn (183), Dow (182), Edwards (182), English (182), Naish (182), Castagna (181), Graham (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 11 - Eggmolesse-Smith (180), Houli (180), Rioli (179), Stack (179), Lambert (178 ), Short (178 ), Aarts (177), Higgins (177), Bolton (175), Prestia (175), Baker (173)
* Plays this role.
Weight (kg)
100+: 4 - Soldo (106), Coleman-Jones (102), Nankervis (102), Balta (100)
95-99: 4 - Lynch (99), Astbury (96), Rance (96), Miller (95)
90-94: 6 - Martin (93), Riewoldt (92), Chol (91), Garthwaite (91), McIntosh (91), Grimes (90)
85-89: 7 - Broad (89), Collier-Dawkins (89), Vlastuin (88 ), Caddy (87), Nyuon (87), Cotchin (86), Ross (85)
80-84: 10 - Pickett (84), Broad (83), Houli (83), Castagna (82), Graham (82), Markov (82), Prestia (82), Edwards (80), English (80), Eggmolesse-Smith (80)
sub80: 13 - Cumberland (79), Higgins (78 ), Bolton (77), Lambert (77), Rioli (76), Short (76), Aarts (75), Naish (75), Turner (75), Martyn (73), Dow (72), Stack (72), Ralphsmith (70)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/senior-players
https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2020/richmond
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Summary:
* Only two of our 23+ years old players are not premiership players. So Aarts and Markov will be first to go unless they have some sort of a breakout year and play regular seniors.
* 14 of our senior core are between 27-31 years of age while there's a thinning out in the middle age bracket (22-26). The latter the remnant of the Lennon, C.Ellis, Yarran busts from the 2013-15 drafts (thankfully we hit pay dirt in the 2014 rookie draft). So we need to strike again in the next 2-3 years before our current window shuts due to our older champions eventually retiring.
* We've invested heavily in youth in the last three drafts. So on average it's still a youthful list. This will allow us next year (especially if there's a retirement or two) to hit the free agency and trade period to fill in gaps within the 22-26 bracket.
* In terms of list balance, we're okay as far as the spread across rucks, KPPs, mids and smalls. Looking forward 5 years from now it's going to be a question of quality. Developing our youth and free agency as mentioned will be crucial in terms of restocking our A-grade talent. There may also be a need (not by choice) to fall down the ladder for a year or two to access the high end of the draft before rising again and challenging.
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MT, love your work.
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:clapping
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We need to strike again in the next two years with a flag. We loose a few top talents then and unless we find a few more in the free agent market we might be in for a bit of a rebuild. I like some of the talent coming through but it's hard to see them replacing Reiwolt, Cotchin, Rance, Martin etc.
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We need to strike again in the next two years with a flag. We loose a few top talents then and unless we find a few more in the free agent market we might be in for a bit of a rebuild. I like some of the talent coming through but it's hard to see them replacing Reiwolt, Cotchin, Rance, Martin etc.
Martin has plenty of time left but it's Rance, Jack & Edwards for me.
Admittedly we did well most of the year without our major bookends though!
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We need to strike again in the next two years with a flag. We loose a few top talents then and unless we find a few more in the free agent market we might be in for a bit of a rebuild. I like some of the talent coming through but it's hard to see them replacing Reiwolt, Cotchin, Rance, Martin etc.
Martin has plenty of time left but it's Rance, Jack & Edwards for me.
Admittedly we did well most of the year without our major bookends though!
Spot on we were depleted at one stage and got the wins ticking and found some great youngsters.
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We will need to bring in 2 maybe 3 Agraders from other clubs over the next 3 or 4 years to maintain our position.
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Wonder if Fyfe has finally woken up to the fact he's never going to win a flag at Freo - can't demand top dollar given he's 28 now and might even take a further pay cut to have one last crack at glory with his beloved Tigers... :shh
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Some serious in depth targetting needs to take place. At this stage I see us needing to target a blue chip key defender and blue chip midfielder.
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Some serious in depth targetting needs to take place. At this stage I see us needing to target a blue chip key defender and blue chip midfielder.
Sounds a bit dramtic.Build from the draft and free agency's along the way. We got good kids keep on adding.No matter what players like Rance and Martin if you replace them with someone half as good, good enough there once in a generation players.
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Im pretty confident that our list management will already have some targets in mind. Its not being dramatic, its just reality. From both a playing petspective and salary cap point of view. The salary cap requires a minimum spend and thats why we'll target big names when some of our stars decide to retire.
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Some serious in depth targetting needs to take place. At this stage I see us needing to target a blue chip key defender and blue chip midfielder.
Next year's free agents are limited to mids, key forwards and small/rebounding defenders.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-13-biggest-afl-free-agents-in-2020/news-story/290cf687b7087717b717e2069bf7f9f8
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players?year=2020
The Giants trio of Whitfield, Cameron and Williams arguably at the top of that list.
Brad Crouch will probably be linked by rumour to us again.
Daniher and Viney are injury-prone and the former will want to go to the Swans if he leaves.
Fyfe is contracted with Freo until 2023, Dio.
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Some serious in depth targetting needs to take place. At this stage I see us needing to target a blue chip key defender and blue chip midfielder.
Sounds a bit dramtic.Build from the draft and free agency's along the way. We got good kids keep on adding.No matter what players like Rance and Martin if you replace them with someone half as good, good enough there once in a generation players.
Not dramatic at all the last three drafts we have had just one pick inside the top 20 the blue chips are usually well and truly gone before then.You need your share of blue chips coming through.With the picks we have had the question has to be do we the blue chips on our list.
We dont have a replacement for Cotchin or even Prestia yet alone Martin atm or to put it more mildly none are yet to show they will get up to those players level. Thats not to say some wont but being pragmatic it doesnt look currently likely.
None of the talls ATM look remotely capable of attaining Rance Riewoldt status and JR is another we need to be proactive about finding a replacement.
When it comes to talls in particular we have not developed one quality KPP from the draft since 06 Riewoldt, 07 Rance, 09 astbury and 10 psd Grimes.
Those remaining on the list
Soldo cat B rookie. Ruckman. If honest hes lacking in areas but servicable as a ruckman
Nankervis mature trade ruckman. Has his limitations just a solid player
Chol rookie. fwd/ruck. Will be 23 in january. Still very light and very inconsistent not sure he will make it and if he does to what level.
Coleman - Jones nd 20. Ruck/Fwd. Just a baby who does show a heap of promise at just 20yrs still a long way to go before we know what we have.
Lynch f/a. KPF. A grader
Miller nd 63. KP?. very early but atm he doesnt look like it.
Balta nd 25. KPD. Very promising athletically. Looks likely but to what level
Nyuon nd 54. KPD. just too early to say anything.
Broad mature nd 67. tall DEF. Imo servicable.
Garthwaite nd 72 Tall DEF. Dont see him as KPP and not sure he has the traits to play third tall.
Hardly a big investment in talls and certainly very few decent picks, just two on any type of tall.Lynch aside where is the top end talent coming thru. And before people start jumping up and down about the age of those left and they have time who really projects fwd as a player in the Rance Riewoldt Lynch league. Imo not much chance of drafting a blue chip kpp with late nd and rookie picks.The way we have gone the last 9 10 yrs it will have to be thru F/A to replace our top end talls.
Simple fact is atm we have half the list with very few games behind them nearly all 22 and under players,theres 20 of them and only 4 have more than 20 games with the most being 39.
there has been a regular core that we have built our success on.Most of that core is now starting to get on.
I think Ramps is right some serious in depth targeting of quality picks or players needs to start taking place.
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Fyfe is contracted with Freo until 2023, Dio.
Getable from the end 2021 onwards IMO if Freo don't show real improvement...will be 30 , so unlikely to be of absolute premium trade value and we can also probably get them to pay part of his salary until 2023 like we had to with Deledio at GWS...:shh
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Im not against Fyfe but Id be looking for 23-25 yo blue chips.
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Source: AFL twitter, Champion Data.
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Curious to know which players fell in which brackets
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I actually think we're in an excellent position given in 2 years were going to lose a lot of experience but we will have a lot of 20-24 year olds with 20-60 games to build on. We will dip down but not badly and only for a year or two until they have 100 games.
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Source: AFL twitter, Champion Data.
We say: No surprises here. They’re the premiers for a reason. Only four players on the list who are below average speaks absolute volumes. Stars across every line.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/champion-datas-list-ratings-for-every-afl-club-which-afl-club-has-the-best-list-afl-player-ratings/news-story/b073f65355f1f135629a299067c0a76b
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Speaking of poaching players from other clubs to enhance our list, any interest here in Ollie Wines who has been stripped of the co-captaincy and appears to be on the outer at Port?
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In a heartbeat.... :shh
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100% keen. Gun player and a themidfield bull we could really use!
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Fyfe is contracted with Freo until 2023, Dio.
Getable from the end 2021 onwards IMO if Freo don't show real improvement...will be 30 , so unlikely to be of absolute premium trade value and we can also probably get them to pay part of his salary until 2023 like we had to with Deledio at GWS...:shh
"My whole identity is intertwined with Fremantle," the 28-year-old captain told ABC radio.
"We've got an opportunity to be the first premiership team here and I think that the opportunity to win one here is, for me, more exciting than two or three at another club."
That feeling was cemented in his mind when the childhood Richmond supporter watched the Tigers end their premiership drought two years ago - and felt nothing.
"Absolutely zero. I was at that 2017 grand final in the crowd, so was one of my best mates from school," Fyfe said.
"He also went for Richmond. He had tears coming out of his eyes and I was emotionless, to be honest. The game takes you in weird ways.
"Well done to Richmond for what they've built over there but I'm Fremantle now."
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/fyfes-dream-first-freo-flag-more-exciting-than-two-or-three-at-another-club-c-617007
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Rise, hold or fall: The bold verdict on every AFL club’s 2020 list
January 16, 2020 2:24pm
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
RICHMOND
Average age: 24.1 (10th)
Average games played: 68.8 (7th)
Champion Data overall list rating: 1st
How scary is this: Richmond, which has won two of the past three flags, has the best list in the AFL yet it’s also the eighth-youngest. Alex Rance’s shock departure is obviously a big blow, but we all know the Tigers have (overwhelmingly successful) experience with filling his void. We know what to expect from Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Bachar Houli, so for the Tigers to remain among the top echelon of teams, improvement must come from the younger and less experienced brigade. So imagine if it all clicks for Shai Bolton, Marlion Pickett and Noah Balta – three players with untapped potential – this season? What if one, or all, of Jack Ross, Patrick Naish and Riley Collier-Dawkins can cement a spot in the best 22? Yeah, they’re not going anywhere.
Rise, hold or fall? Hold
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-predictions-rise-hold-or-fall-verdict-on-every-club-list/news-story/417421811ef71ddc9538a1d3be1e802c
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Other clubs: https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/02/20/afl-list-age-profiles-a-statistical-representation-of-2020-sides-part-1/
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Each club's list rated, for the short and long term
Chris Doerre
ESPN
21 February 2020
We're only weeks away from the start of the 2020 AFL season, but which club's list is best placed for short and long-term success?
ESPN's draft expert Chris Dorre assesses the strengths and weaknesses of every squad, for the immediate future and down the track.
Note - only players born in 1994 or later were considered in the following long-term outlooks. The 'core pieces' are those viewed as players a club can build around with confidence, and are projected to become top-10-on-list quality players on the average team.
Richmond
Short-term outlook
Strength: Even with the unexpected retirement of Alex Rance, Richmond's defence remains arguably the strongest in the competition. They have no shortage of quality tall defenders with Dylan Grimes, David Astbury and an emerging Noah Balta, who if developed in defence, can be a third difference-making tall. Richmond's tall defenders are well complimented by Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin and Jayden Short while Sydney Stack should become a fixture in Richmond's best side.
Weakness: Where Richmond have classically been weak is through the midfield. Over the years, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Dion Prestia have relatively lacked support. The emergence of Marlion Pickett, who should be a regular, and the development of Jack Graham and Jack Ross can see Richmond's midfield improve in 2020.
Projection: Richmond is the competition's dominant side and, on paper, is getting stronger.
Long-term outlook
Core pieces: Sydney Stack, Noah Balta, Dion Prestia, Nick Vlastuin, Toby Nankervis and Daniel Rioli.
Strengths: As often happens with the great teams, Richmond's youth develops rapidly, and the Tigers are likely to continue to see that over the next few seasons. Richmond's ruck division appears set with a number of young players able to perform through there.
Weaknesses: What Richmond are missing is young star power across the field. While Richmond are developing their talent effectively, their stars are their veterans.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/28732045/afl-club-list-rated-short-long-term