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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Judge Roughneck on October 20, 2009, 11:14:50 AM
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what do you see as our best side ?
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All dependent upon preseason and match-ups but...
The Round one team I would like to see -
FB: Newman Moore Thursfield
HB: Rance McGuane Tambling
C: Cousins Deledio Cotchin
HF: Morton Post Nahas
FF: Hislop Riewoldt Vickery
Foll: Simmonds, Foley, Jackson
Int: Graham, Collins, Tuck/ND Pick 3, Richo,
Em: Edwards, Polo, White, Farmer, ND Pick 19
Very young team and very light on in terms of size and experience but I think we'll have to get used to that for quite some time. Looking at this team assures me that we have a lot of pain ahead.
Stripes
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Stripes.....where is Trent Cotchin ? Is he playing for Coberg in rd 1 :lol
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Stripes.....where is Trent Cotchin ? Is he playing for Coberg in rd 1 :lol
Could be injured.....no sorry. My Mistake. I was going to put him HF initially but forgot all about him :o
Made the changes now!
Stripes
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FB: Newman Moore Thursfield
HB: Rance McGuane Polo
C: Collins Deledio Cotchin
HF: Morton Post Tambling
FF: Taylor Riewoldt Nahas
Foll: Graham Foley Jackson
Int: Simmonds, Cousins, Martin, Vickery
updated!
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35: Richo (282)
31: Cousins (253), Simmonds (190)
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28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: McMahon (148 ), King (41), Moore (65)
25: -
24: Foley (84)
23: Jackson (69), Polo (52), Thomson (30), Thursfield (53), McGuane (54), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas# (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46)
20: Farmer (3), Post (7), Rance (15)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Browne# (1), Gilligan# (-)
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35: Richo (282)
31: Cousins (253), Simmonds (190)
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28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: McMahon (148 ), King (41), Moore (65)
25: -
24: Foley (84)
23: Jackson (69), Polo (52), Thomson (30), Thursfield (53), McGuane (54), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas# (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46)
20: Farmer (3), Post (7), Rance (15)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Browne# (1), Gilligan# (-)
In which positions Bents?
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I bold the players I think are our best.
- Simmonds needs to get injury free or else if we see the same junk as last season he has to go. Browne / Graham should be given a chance.
- Will be intersting to see how Tuck goes.
- Moore is 26 yoa and one of our oldest players so he needs do something this year.
8 of our best 22 (if not many more) are all 22 yoa or younger. Might indicate we will struggle. Geelong, St Kilda and the Dogs have very few players this young in side.
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35: Richo (282)
31: Cousins (253), Simmonds (190)
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28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: McMahon (148 ), King (41), Moore (65)
25: -
24: Foley (84)
23: Jackson (69), Polo (52), Thomson (30), Thursfield (53), McGuane (54), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas# (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46)
20: Farmer (3), Post (7), Rance (15)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Browne# (1), Gilligan# (-)
In which positions Bents?
B: Collins - Thursfeild - x
HB: Tambling - Post - Rance
C: Jackson - Deledio - Aston Martin / Trengrove
HF: Cousins - Reiwoldt - Morton
F: Nahas - Richo - Vickery
OB: Simmonds - Cotchin - Foley
I: Tuck - Newman - x - x
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Playing Collins as a back pocket? Since when has he ever played there
CHB looked lost as a defender last year also, not sure why you persist with labelling him as a defender
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picking sides without watching them train is a waste of time :rollin
another good thread "NOT" Bentliegh, stay away from the McKinnon & Boundry Hotels ;D
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picking sides without watching them train is a waste of time :rollin
another good thread "NOT" Bentliegh, stay away from the McKinnon & Boundry Hotels ;D
When the side starts training I will watch them again. I think the thread has merit - what is Richmond best 22 players, in what postions, both now and just before round 1, and the rest of next season. Do you not?
I will leave you the Boundry (no doubt the finest drinking establishment in the world) all to you champ/
Feel free to find me at the McKinnon and put your views forward face-to-face 8)
Playing Collins as a back pocket? Since when has he ever played there
CHB looked lost as a defender last year also, not sure why you persist with labelling him as a defender
In a perfect world Post will be a CHF - the next Carey or Johno Brown.
There was no where else to fit Collins into the side. We need to find a small defender.
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Bentleigh, you could easily put Collins on the bench, with the back pocket open - maybe Farmer? Collins is not a back pocket player, he's a goal-kicking midfielder!
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Mine:
B: Connors Moore Thursfield
HB: Newman McGuane Tambling
C: Cousins Cotchin Collins
HF: Martin Post Nahas
F: Vickery Riewoldt Morton
R: Simmonds, Foley, Deledio
Int: Graham, Richo, Jackson, Tuck
Em: Rance, Edwards,
I tried to add better footskills in the backline and went a bit wishful thinking with Connors. There was no obvious alternative as a back pocket. Polo and Farmer maybe but at this stage they are no certainties. I had trouble fitting Rance and McGuane in the same defence due to their iffy footskills so left one out as an emergency.
Midfield was far easier to put together although the ruck is a major issue. I would normally have just two rucks but Vickery who is the better long term option isn't ready physically to smash his body so have him as a 3rd tall forward option. Playing Simmo and Graham out of necessity. Browne is still very raw. Maybe if desperate Polly could play the 2nd ruck next year if he's able to back up each week at AFL level.
Forward line was the hardest to put together. Very young and inexperienced. Maybe Richo will play back closer to goal next year given his age and hammy issue but 4 talls up forward is too many and oppositions can run the ball out more easily once the ball hits the turf. Even with 3 talls we seem to lack pace with our forward from a defensive point of view apart from Nahas. On Richo I'd rather use him in spurts off the bench where needed to provide us with some structure - either on a wing, HF or FF.
Bench has Jacko and Tuck. Not ideal but both will provide a chop out for the others especially Foley and Cotch inside. Rather have more speed on the bench but our speed options (say Whitey) aren't certainties either.
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picking sides without watching them train is a waste of time :rollin
another good thread "NOT" Bentliegh, stay away from the McKinnon & Boundry Hotels ;D
When the side starts training I will watch them again. I think the thread has merit - what is Richmond best 22 players, in what postions, both now and just before round 1, and the rest of next season. Do you not?
I will leave you the Boundry (no doubt the finest drinking establishment in the world) all to you champ/
Feel free to find me at the McKinnon and put your views forward face-to-face 8)
l lived & worked in McKinnon. you were probably the paperboy :lol Good drinking hole both them pubs & good action every week.
Remember smashing a big mouthed Collingwood supporter on the pool table ;D he hit the table overhead light so hard everyone thought l had slashed him his wound was that bad :lol
the good old days, been there and done that with them Kiwis of the Boundry, dont tell me you scared to drink there, dont you like playing the pinball machines ;D maybe there smashed now.
Now back to making football team ;D l couldnot make one because l couldnot find 22 players to put in one ;D
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does anyone know when the club is next training?
preferable at Punt road?
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- Martin, Dustin - 0 - 18yr 5mth - 186cm 88kg
Cotchin, Trent - 25 - 19yr 7mth - 185cm 80kg
Deledio, Brett - 106 22yr 7mth - 188cm 81kg
Tambling, Richard - 95 23yr 3mth - 180cm 80kg
Foley, Nathan - 84 24yr 2mth - 177cm 71kg
Cousins, Ben - 253 - 31yr 4mth - 179cm 87kg
Tuck, Shane - 110 - 27yr 11mth - 189cm 90kg
Collins, Andrew - 10 - 21yr - 184cm 72kg
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FB: Newman Moore Thursfield
HB: Rance McGuane Polo
C: Collins Deledio Cotchin
HF: Morton Post Tambling
FF: Taylor Riewoldt Nahas
Foll: Graham Foley Jackson
Int: Simmonds, Cousins, Martin, Vickery
updated!
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McGaune - Thursfeild - Moore
Tambling - Rance - Newman
Deledio - Martin - Cotchin
Riewoldt - Post - Cousins
Morton - Griffths - Nahas
Simmonds - Tuck/Jackson - Foley
Vickery - Collins - Taylor - Connors
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Hard to see Griffiths having much impact next year Bents given he's just had surgery on his shoulder and will need time to get it right. A big call too to have Martin in the centre.
Geez we'll have a young side....
B: Connors Moore Thursfield
HB: Newman McGuane Tambling
C: Cousins Cotchin Collins
HF: Martin Post Nahas
F: Vickery Riewoldt Morton
R: Simmonds, Foley, Deledio
Int: Graham, Jackson, Tuck, Edwards
Em: Rance, Polo, Webberley
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Hard to see Griffiths having much impact next year Bents given he's just had surgery on his shoulder and will need time to get it right. A big call too to have Martin in the centre.
Geez we'll have a young side....
B: Connors Moore Thursfield
HB: Newman McGuane Tambling
C: Cousins Cotchin Collins
HF: Martin Post Nahas
F: Vickery Riewoldt Morton
R: Simmonds, Foley, Deledio
Int: Graham, Jackson, Tuck, Edwards
Em: Rance, Polo, Webberley
* Martin is 6 foot 2 and solid. If he is going to be next Joel Selwood might as well start in the guts.
* Big Ben might be in side for 2nd half of the season. Griff, Reiwoldt, Post, Vickery - few options now, which is good.
* not sure how you could leave out Rance from our best XXII
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Vickery - Collins - Taylor - Connors
Taylor?
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* Martin is 6 foot 2 and solid. If he is going to be next Joel Selwood might as well start in the guts.
* Big Ben might be in side for 2nd half of the season. Griff, Reiwoldt, Post, Vickery - few options now, which is good.
* not sure how you could leave out Rance from our best XXII
Selwood, as tough as nails as he is, had Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Enright, Chapman and co. around him in his first year. Throwing Martin in his debut year full time into our midfield which offers little protection to each other in terms of blocking and shepherding is what concerned me and why I have him initially on a HFF with spurts in the midfield.
If Griffs shoulder doesn't take that long to recover then yeah we may see him for a few games in the second half of 2010.
I left Rance out as I'm not sure about McGuane and Rance in the same backline. Footskill wise in terms of distribution and rebound coming out of defence I'm not sure long-term we can afford to have both in our back 6.
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McGuane's disposal is greatly blown out of proportion
He had OP in 2007 which obviously affected his kicking, he was much better this year and the stats prove it.
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I wouldn't imagine we would have seen much of Griffith next year even if he hadn't of had any sort of operation on his shoulder. Even more so that ruckmen, KPP need time to develop size to combat their more mature opponents. Rance is a prime example of this and even now I think he needs much more size and development under his belt before he can claim a place in our backline.
I see Griffiths as our next FF if all goes to plan and if that is the case he will need to wack on another 10kg at least before he can strengthen his frame enough that he is not continually out-muscled.
At the moment we are almost forced to play our kids early because we lack senior depth. Next year the problem will be exacerbated with the retirements of so many experienced players. They will really need to protect each other as much as possible around the contest and Tuck will need to do much of the buffering work.
Our forwardline still remains small and inexperienced so Griffith may surprize me this year and actually play more than I predict but looking over the team as a whole, we seem to be getting smaller in size (not height) and less experienced rather than the other way around.
After years of development we appear to be going backwards. I just hope we can actually start going forwards soon! :pray
Stripes
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I'd almost rather Griffiths spend the entire year focussing on getting his body 100% and then unleash him in 2011
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Selwood, as tough as nails as he is, had Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Enright, Chapman and co. around him in his first year. Throwing Martin in his debut year full time into our midfield which offers little protection to each other in terms of blocking and shepherding is what concerned me and why I have him initially on a HFF with spurts in the midfield.=
“He’s just a powerful, powerful kid; I used to do one-on-ones with him as a 16-year-old and he would just push me off the ball.
“I thought he could have played senior AFL football this year as a 17-year-old, no doubt.
“I’ve never seen a kid run into a pack of six or seven men and come out backwards with the ball . . . it’s not as though he was running through the pack, he would run in like a bull, grab the footy and run out backwards.
“There’s no doubt he’s the best kid I’ve seen play at that age; he’s just a phenomenal talent.”
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Selwood, as tough as nails as he is, had Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Enright, Chapman and co. around him in his first year. Throwing Martin in his debut year full time into our midfield which offers little protection to each other in terms of blocking and shepherding is what concerned me and why I have him initially on a HFF with spurts in the midfield.=
“He’s just a powerful, powerful kid; I used to do one-on-ones with him as a 16-year-old and he would just push me off the ball.
“I thought he could have played senior AFL football this year as a 17-year-old, no doubt.
“I’ve never seen a kid run into a pack of six or seven men and come out backwards with the ball . . . it’s not as though he was running through the pack, he would run in like a bull, grab the footy and run out backwards.
“There’s no doubt he’s the best kid I’ve seen play at that age; he’s just a phenomenal talent.”
Who said this Bents?
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Selwood, as tough as nails as he is, had Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Enright, Chapman and co. around him in his first year. Throwing Martin in his debut year full time into our midfield which offers little protection to each other in terms of blocking and shepherding is what concerned me and why I have him initially on a HFF with spurts in the midfield.=
“He’s just a powerful, powerful kid; I used to do one-on-ones with him as a 16-year-old and he would just push me off the ball.
“I thought he could have played senior AFL football this year as a 17-year-old, no doubt.
“I’ve never seen a kid run into a pack of six or seven men and come out backwards with the ball . . . it’s not as though he was running through the pack, he would run in like a bull, grab the footy and run out backwards.
“There’s no doubt he’s the best kid I’ve seen play at that age; he’s just a phenomenal talent.”
Who said this Bents?
His coach at Castlemaine, ex Fitroy, St kilda and Richmond player Jamie Elliot
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FB: Newman Moore Thursfield
HB: Rance McGuane Polo
C: Collins Deledio Cotchin
HF: Morton Post Tambling
FF: Griffiths Riewoldt Nahas
Foll: Graham Foley Jackson
Int: Simmonds, Cousins, Martin, Vickery
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Selwood, as tough as nails as he is, had Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Enright, Chapman and co. around him in his first year. Throwing Martin in his debut year full time into our midfield which offers little protection to each other in terms of blocking and shepherding is what concerned me and why I have him initially on a HFF with spurts in the midfield.=
“He’s just a powerful, powerful kid; I used to do one-on-ones with him as a 16-year-old and he would just push me off the ball.
“I thought he could have played senior AFL football this year as a 17-year-old, no doubt.
“I’ve never seen a kid run into a pack of six or seven men and come out backwards with the ball . . . it’s not as though he was running through the pack, he would run in like a bull, grab the footy and run out backwards.
“There’s no doubt he’s the best kid I’ve seen play at that age; he’s just a phenomenal talent.”
Who said this Bents?
His coach at Castlemaine, ex Fitroy, St kilda and Richmond player Jamie Elliot
Jamie Elliot wasn't actually built like a brickhouse when he played for us. He made David Bourke look muscley lol.
But seriously we don't want to wreck the kid's body early on expecting him to be one of our top 3 mids in his first year. He's got a 10-12 year career ahead of him touchwood. We don't want him to end up like Cogs finished by the time he's in his early 20s.
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McGuane's disposal is greatly blown out of proportion
He had OP in 2007 which obviously affected his kicking, he was much better this year and the stats prove it.
True his kicking efficiency was 73% this year which is slightly above average for a defender. I just feel he has a slightly non-fluid kicking action that can be tested under pressure.
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keeps changing!
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keeps changing!
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Rather than trying to make a best XXII it might be a good idea to try ranking / grouping the players
best side 100% (if fit)
Cousins
Deledio
Newman
Tambling
Foley
Jackson
Thursfield
Reiwoldt
Morton
Cotchin
Nahas
Vickery
Post
Martin
50/50 best XXII
Simmonds
Tuck
Moore
McGaune
White
Polo
Edwards
Thomson
Hislop
Rance
Collins
Connors
Farmer
Browne
Roberts
Taylor
Gourdis
Browne
Graham
Reserves
Astbury
Griffiths
Westhoff
O'Reilly
Webberley
Hicks
Nason
Polak
Grimes
Gilligan
Dea
Contin
King
McMahon