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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MADTIGER2010 on March 18, 2010, 01:34:56 PM
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It's not too hard to notice several players have bulked up a bit over the preseason. Looking at todays player list in the Herald Sun, I see the most improvement coming in defence with bulkier and taller(than old records suggest) players such as Post(195cm, 94kg), Thursfield and Mcguane(192cm, 90kg), Farmer(181cm, 80kg) and Edwards(182cm, 79kg) with Gourdis and Rance(194cm, 94kg) waiting for their chance. Reiwoldt(195cm, 93kg) is looking better up forward too and will be joined sometime this season by Astbury(195cm, 86kg) and Griffiths(198cm, 97kg) who probably look bigger than their weight suggests. 8)
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it would be interesting to see 2009 player's height and weight and 2010 player's heaight and weight.
:)
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Always a fine line with weight I believe between being too small and easily out muscled around the contest but quick and elusive and being too big and lose pace and endurance but can push others players aside. We definitely sit in the overly small bracket at the moment but players like Lids and Martin could easily get too big (like Lids did when he was lined up by Wallace to be a forward and then made to play mid where he couldn't compete properly because he lost his pace).
I think our bookends needs a huge amount of size but our midfield just needs the strength and size to not be pushed out of a contest such as what has been happening over the last few years. Tuck is a great size for an inside midfielder but lacks the pace (among other things) to spread and carry.
Horses for courses as they say but for such a long time, many of our players (and the coaches who are positioning them) never know exactly what spots different players will line up in from week to week. Makes it hard on everyone.
In general though, I am very pleased all the players are increasing in muscle and core strength. It will be a long time before I need to worry about players getting too big I'd imagine! :D
Stripes
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Also interesting noticing Jack Riewoldt's size - 195cm makes him taller than Nick and at 93 kgs almost as heavy (with a few years body growth/development/maturity to come), yet many would have you believe he is too short or light to play CHF!
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McGuane and Thursfield didn't seem to have a problem adding 4-5kgs this pre season, seems to lend weight to the argument they were held at a lower weight by the previous coaching staff who wanted agile catlike defenders. Will be most interested to see how the added weight translates to onfield performance. Another 4-5kgs and they are acceptable KPD size
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Also interesting noticing Jack Riewoldt's size - 195cm makes him taller than Nick and at 93 kgs almost as heavy (with a few years body growth/development/maturity to come), yet many would have you believe he is too short or light to play CHF!
Yep certainly puts that argument to rest. Well big enough.
Post is a great size too. Finally getting some big lads into the club.
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From today's Herald-Sun 2010 AFL Magazine compared to the height/weight stats from the Round 1 AFL Record last year.
No. Name Height (gain/loss) Weight (gain/loss)
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2. Thursty 192 (+1) 89 (+4)
3. Lids 188 88
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5. Simmo 197 100 (+1)
6. Polak 193 (-1) 93 (-1)
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8. Riewoldt 195 (+2) 93 (+6)
9. Cotchin 185 85 (+1)
10. Edwards 182 (+2) 79 (+3)
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13. Jordy 186 80
14. Polo 187 84 (+1)
15. Farmer 181 80
16. McGuane 192 (+1) 90 (+4)
17. Newy 183 84 (+3)
18. Rance 194 (+1) 92 (+2)
19. Connors 186 (+2) 83 (+1)
20. Morton 186 86 (+6)
21. Tuck 189 90
22. Gilligan 177 72
23. Jacko 188 92 (+2)
24. Collins 187 (+1) 80 (+2)
25. Graham 201 106 (+6)
26. Nahas 176 72 (+5)
27. Hislop 185 85
28. King 178 80 (+2)
29. Vickery 200 91 (+2)
30. Tambo 179 (-1) 79 (-2)
31. Thomson 185 (+1) 84
32. Cousins 179 78
33. Gourdis 193 93 (+4)
34. Browne 203 (-2) 104 (-1)
35. White 180 (+1) 80 (-1)
36. Martin 187 86
37. Post 195 (+1) 94 (+6)
38. Griffiths 198 97
39. Astbury 195 86
40. Moore 190 86 (+2)
41. Foley 178 80
42. O'Reilly 185 80
43. Dea 186 83
44. Taylor 189 77
45. Hicks 176 70
46. Webbs 182 75
47. Nason 179 75
48. Grimes 193 83
49. Contin 183 83
50. Roberts 176 77
51. Westhoff 197 81
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Polak,Tambling and Browne all shrunk in height?
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EL OH EL at contracting players, must be lifting some heavy weights on the shoulder press haha :thumbsup
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Polak,Tambling and Browne all shrunk in height?
They stood on their tippy-toes when measured last year ;)
Not sure how accurate these tables are but good to see Jack and Postie putting on 6kgs. Not sure though why Blingers would need to lose 2kgs.
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I hope that's right about Jack putting on 2cm.
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I hope that's right about Jack putting on 2cm.
i doubt he is 195cm, wasnt richo 195/6???. i doubt jack is 2 cm shorter than snake
impressed with morton, u cansee he has put on 6kgs, he has bulked up
post putting on weight is gr8 to see also
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i doubt he is 195cm, wasnt richo 195/6???. i doubt jack is 2 cm shorter than snake
what's their to doubt 8)
Why couldn't Reiwoldt be 195cm lol
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I hope that's right about Jack putting on 2cm.
i doubt he is 195cm, wasnt richo 195/6???. i doubt jack is 2 cm shorter than snake
impressed with morton, u cansee he has put on 6kgs, he has bulked up
post putting on weight is gr8 to see also
Richo was 197cm, the same as Simmonds. Riewoldt was listed as 193cm last year so 2cm growth in a 21 year old is not unreasonable or unexpected I would think. Not saying 195cm is correct, just that it's quite reasonable.
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A difference of 2cm is pretty possible if someone has gained significant muscle mass. Simply improved posture could account for the 2cm, which at the end of the day, isn't much.
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sheesh you basically stop growing if i remember it correctly at 17 or 18. you may grow the odd cm there after if you are lucky.
jack was drafted at 192cm as an 18 yr old his height has never ever been a problem. but at just 84 kg when drafted he had a fair bit of size to put on.
in his second yr he was still 192 and 86kg still a good height but still undersized.
sheesh wonder of wonders last yr he was 193cm and 87kg he grew that odd cm apparently. the problem still undersized.
personally i would be most surprised if he grew 2cm at age 21. but its not beyond the realms of possibility his dad played ruck at clarence and for tasmania so jack may well be one of the few late gainers in height. his dad was also a big bastard with it, trust me i know i had to play against him.
jack was never going to fail to bulk up, i would have been surprised if he failed in this regard his pedigree said so.
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I think your right claw. bulk is what will come later rather than height.
some of these stats also say some players got smaller ???
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the height/weights are quite often 3 years old so he was probably 195cm two years ago
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sheesh you basically stop growing if i remember it correctly at 17 or 18. you may grow the odd cm there after if you are lucky.
To put it simply - you're wrong.
It is usual for young males to continue growing (height) until 21-22 and they remain that height until their late 40's/early 50's.
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well imo there is no way jack is the same height as nick
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mitch has put oin six kilo?
not really where I would want to see him heading
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sheesh you basically stop growing if i remember it correctly at 17 or 18. you may grow the odd cm there after if you are lucky.
To put it simply - you're wrong.
It is usual for young males to continue growing (height) until 21-22 and they remain that height until their late 40's/early 50's.
am i. so how much do you grow after age 18. 5 10 cm. or maybe 1cm perhaps 2 if you are lucky. like i said most of us have done our growing by 18 we may gain the odd cm past this point. which is what i said. i say this because i can just the anal retentive types like arguing what was and wasnt said.
lets look at talls on our list who are drafted at 18 19 and what they were at 21 22 shall we.
yeah we will do talls only. just to many to do otherwise.
hmm graham has gone from 200cm 06 to 201cm at age 22. 09.
mcguane 191cm 05 to 191cm age 22.
moore 190cm 03 to 189 at 22. :o
polak 193 02 to 193 at 22.
schulz 192 to 193. he was there last yr should do pattison as well bet he only gained a max of 1cm if at all.
thursfield 190 to 191.
riewoldt 192 to 193.
need i go on look at players from other sides like roughhead franklin have not grown at all since being drafted.
the norm is at 18ish you have basically done your growing give or take the odd cm.
will you get exceptions to this yeah like in most things.
if a player at 22 23 25 has suddenly grown 2 cm im inclined to think 1 of 2 things either the previous reading was wrong or the current one is.
oh weather this is scientifically correct i have no idea to me its been widely accepted by most that this is so. i have seen nothing to contradict it. perhaps you can come up with players to contradict it but i reckon you will find them the exception rather than the rule.
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am i. so how much do you grow after age 18. 5 10 cm. or maybe 1cm perhaps 2 if you are lucky. like i said most of us have done our growing by 18 we may gain the odd cm past this point. which is what i said.
Thank you for backing up my point. Young males continue to grow until their early 20's - exactly what we both said.
Bones stop growing at the completion of puberty which in all males occurs in their late teens to early 20's but there are a number of other factors that influence the height of the human body - not all of it is related to bone growth. One of the most relevant is that it's very common for elite athletes to increase height by increasing muscle mass and elasticity, causing changes in posture that in turn produce a height increase, so it would be well within the realms of possibility for a young maturing athletic adult male who turned 21 in October to put on 2cms - my original point.
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well imo there is no way jack is the same height as nick
Quite right, Jack is taller by at least a cm. Remember seeing them last year(?) standing chatting after a game and Jack was at least that much taller, now maybe even more.
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well imo there is no way jack is the same height as nick
Quite right, Jack is taller by at least a cm. Remember seeing them last year(?) standing chatting after a game and Jack was at least that much taller, now maybe even more.
seemed 2 cm shorter to me
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am i. so how much do you grow after age 18. 5 10 cm. or maybe 1cm perhaps 2 if you are lucky. like i said most of us have done our growing by 18 we may gain the odd cm past this point. which is what i said.
Thank you for backing up my point. Young males continue to grow until their early 20's - exactly what we both said.
Bones stop growing at the completion of puberty which in all males occurs in their late teens to early 20's but there are a number of other factors that influence the height of the human body - not all of it is related to bone growth. One of the most relevant is that it's very common for elite athletes to increase height by increasing muscle mass and elasticity, causing changes in posture that in turn produce a height increase, so it would be well within the realms of possibility for a young maturing athletic adult male who turned 21 in October to put on 2cms - my original point.
sheesh what is your problem you once again disagree but agree. talk about anal mate.
please tell me what was wrong with my original post. the point i was making and thought i articulated it well enough was you basically stop growing at 18 or put another way just for you mr anal the vast bulk of your growing is done by this age and you might if you are lucky gain a cm or two. yet you come on line pronouncing me wrong and all of a sudden im backing up your point. how thick are you you have said exactly what i said originally.
i was the one who made the point that you stop at 18 basically but may grow the odd cm and you called me wrong you then get on here and basically say exactly what i said yet im wrong. and to top it all off you are now thanking me for backing up your point the exact same point i made. you are saying nothing i havent just in a different way but you are arguing. unbelievable.
did you do the exercise and look at players height in the afl aged 18 and then at aged 21 22. how many have you found that have grown more than 2cm.
i just went thru adelaide. first cab of the rank looked at all players on the list proper who are turning 21 or 22 this yr and only 2 out of 7 has grown at all since being drafted at basically 18. and those two gained just 1cm. like i said i wonder what i actually got wrong.
its been widely accpted for as long as i can remember that by 18 you have basically done your growing except for perhaps the odd cm. you said this was wrong. you want to split hairs and pronounce people wrong fine by me i can nit pick with the best of em if need be.
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you want to split hairs and pronounce people wrong fine by me i can nit pick with the best of em if need be.
You're funny. Apart from an apparent need to resort to childish name calling, you keep making a statement then immediately arguing against it! :lol
"sheesh you basically stop growing if i remember it correctly at 17 or 18."
I say you're wrong.
"you may grow the odd cm there after if you are lucky."
"so how much do you grow after age 18. 5 10 cm. or maybe 1cm perhaps 2 if you are lucky."
"personally i would be most surprised if he grew 2cm at age 21. but its not beyond the realms of possibility"
So do you stop growing or not?
I said it initially and will repeat it again for you - "2cm growth in a 21 year old is not unreasonable or unexpected I would think".
Your Adelaide stats? 30% of your sample grew taller.
So are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
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why thank you mr anal or is that mr literal. the king of hair splitting. for agreeing again.sheesh.