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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tony_montana on March 26, 2010, 12:00:58 PM
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This is not an I told you so post, but after reality hit last night for some at just how past it simmonds is, do people agree with keeping him on for an extra year? Before we start with the patto calls, he had to go, Patto was very dissapointed with the whole club culture and wanted out, it was the right thing to do to let him go and I wish him all the best at the saints.
I'm sure there are 22-25 year olds playing in other leagues that could have been a stop gap rookie for 1-2 years, surely they would have been a better option? Nothing personal against simmonds, its just that there comes a time in a players career that the game simply leaves them behind, this happened to simmo last year and I was stunned we kept him on.
Personally I see no benefit in keeping simmonds on over delisting him and drafting in a 23 year old mature aged rookie from a state league. Simmonds would struggle in the EFL
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For now he is the best we have.
I can't believe that Wallace thought that he was going to get by without drafting ruckmen. Most sides try and get at least one per year in the draft.
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Thats not right, Patto didnt want to go anywhere and was devasted about being cut. But saying that life doesnt come with a rewind button move on.
The problem is Gus needs to earn his spot and become more mobile and ditto with Browne.
Vickery cant hold the ruck on his own so Simmo is the best option.
It would have been good to pick up another good potential ruck ( got Vickery last year) in the draft but i hear there just wasnt any kid worth picking up this year (one was picked up just before our pick)
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He owes us bigtime
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Horrible call.
Ive never liked how Simmonds plays. He's an enourmous man, a black belt in karate and has never thrown his weight around. Give me Greg Stafford any day. All due respect to Simmonds I think he should have been a power CHF not a ruckman, his ground coverage is amatuer.
We've never had a good ruckman since Greg Dear.
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answer to this question, good decision.
Its was Vickery who wouldnt take the hit outs, stuffed if I know why either.
I think at times he got confused in who he was playing on as they used Cruzier and Warnock on the ground at the same time.
Although he should have enough brains to know that he had to take the taps around the ground, obviously no brains
At least Simmo has a go.
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I would rather Pattison than Simmonds. Simmonds was a total disgrace last night.
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Horrible call.
Agreed. Would have kept Patto ahead of him and can't stand Patto.
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answer to this question, good decision.
Its was Vickery who wouldnt take the hit outs, stuffed if I know why either.
I think at times he got confused in who he was playing on as they used Cruzier and Warnock on the ground at the same time.
Although he should have enough brains to know that he had to take the taps around the ground, obviously no brains
At least Simmo has a go.
You clearly were wearing rose-coloured glasses last night then. He was the polar opposite of a player that "had a go".
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Going to be real painful watching Simmo go around, Oh well could be worse Patto could still be getting a game.
Hurry up Vickers, please
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We had to keep Simmo.
Patto was useless and Graham must have pictures of the president to still be at the club ::)
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We had to keep Simmo.
Patto was useless and Graham must have pictures of the president to still be at the club ::)
Patto was useless but simmo is an upgrade? haha
simmo is non competitive, shocking call to go round another year, a ruckman from a suburban league would've been better value
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absolutely simmo shouldn't play at all. useless. i'd much rather play angus graham than keeping simmo on. yes he can compete physically (apparently not against kreuzer) but all the ever does is jump into the other ruckman and IF he ever gets a hit out, it only ever becomes an aimless knock rather than directing the ball down to our midfielders, so he doesn't help our onballers out in terms of clearance at all, no to mention he's absolutely crap at ground work and simply falls over all the time, the least a ruckman needs to do if they can't get hitouts is to at least act as another midfielder to help with the clearance, but he simply does neither. time to go back to coburg.
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How could anyway say to play Angus Graham ? :banghead :banghead
he has been statless his past 3 practise matches.
At least Simmo has a go
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How could anyway say to play Angus Graham ? :banghead :banghead
he has been statless his past 3 practise matches.
At least Simmo has a go
Agree on Gus but play Browne instead. Came on against the Pies in the practice match and showed something, some aggression and got some round the ground stats too.
Simmo is just excruciating to watch. He is neither protecting the incumbent ruckmen in Vickery and co nor is he teaching them during the game. He just offers nothing anymore and the game is past him. He does not even get to enough round the ground contests anymore. Was surprised he was kept on initially but even so based on last nights effort he will struggle and it seems as an error in judgement from the coaching panel.
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exactly jack and there is our problem..our other ruckmen are so far off the pace it aint funny
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we're probably going to have to try and trade for 1. carlton has hampson and one other who wont be seeing much action. not a bad player imho.
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we trade at the end of the year..what about this season?..amy alternatives?
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If our ruck stocks are that slim lads, then what is Lade doing to try and get them competitive. Not Lade's fault if Simmo is slow, Vickery and Brown are raw and Graham is lazy and uncompetitive but we need to at least get some competitiveness in that area and give us a first use of the footy.
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Simmonds playing on was a necessity.
We have no ruckman.
what a joke that a club can recruit for years yet ail to recruit ONE ruckman
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Simmonds playing on was a necessity.
We have no ruckman.
what a joke that a club can recruit for years yet ail to recruit ONE ruckman
what the stuff did Simmonds do last night that Browne or Graham cannot?
I presume neither are in a wheel chair?
Tuck is our best ruckman, put him in the ruck.
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Simmonds playing on was a necessity.
We have no ruckman.
what a joke that a club can recruit for years yet ail to recruit ONE ruckman
what the eff did Simmonds do last night that Browne or Graham cannot?
I presume neither are in a wheel chair?
Tuck is our best ruckman, put him in the ruck.
Graham hasnt had a possesion in the past 2 practice matches and Brown isnt ready as yet.
At least Simmo can get to the ball and has a crack, cant say the same about Graham
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you couldnt possibly play graham...he offers very little.....maybe nothing
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simmonds a black belt, he could even hurt fairy floss lol, even kruiser intimidated him lol
snake is a fake, useless as t@s on a bull
must play browne and vickery and persist
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Yep lets leave another experienced player out and bring a young player in with all the workload on his shoulders to get smashed against the Dogs, stuff. Simmonds needs to be in the side with either Browne or Vickery, he adds balance to the side whether you like it or not. Same deal with Tuck, he should of played IMO. If Simmonds is out against the Dogs we will be hammered by even more than we would have been if he did play.
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ppl keep talking about how bad graham is and i agree, spud of the highest order, does nothing, but him playing won't be trading down on what simmonds offers us. :thumbsup Rotate graham/browne polak and vickery through the ruck and bring in simmonds as relief every now and then.
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How about simmonds as a permanent forward....just sit in the goal square you big lug...LOL
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How about sitting him ten metres behind the goal square
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I"ll buy that chuck..he and ritchie can share a pie and a beer there
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How could anyway say to play Angus Graham ? :banghead :banghead
he has been statless his past 3 practise matches.
At least Simmo has a go
despite simmo having a go,he's still useless. much rather graham and i stand by that.
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Simmonds playing on was a necessity.
We have no ruckman.
what a joke that a club can recruit for years yet ail to recruit ONE ruckman
what the eff did Simmonds do last night that Browne or Graham cannot?
I presume neither are in a wheel chair?
Tuck is our best ruckman, put him in the ruck.
Graham hasnt had a possesion in the past 2 practice matches and Brown isnt ready as yet.
At least Simmo can get to the ball and has a crack, cant say the same about Graham
getting to the ball and having a crack isn't worth jack all when he constantly turns it over and falls over and can't win a hitout, let alone one to advantage.
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you couldnt possibly play graham...he offers very little.....maybe nothing
well...simmo literally offers nothing.
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what the eff did Simmonds do last night that Browne or Graham cannot?
I presume neither are in a wheel chair?
:lol
So true. Nothing to be gained whatsoever by persisting with Simmo who is clearly past it.
He was thrashed by Kruezer.
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It's a fine line between playing a raw ruckman to teach him 'on the job' and having him battered around and his confidence ruined for ever. I don't honestly know which way I think on this but it's not an easy choice for the club.
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How could anyway say to play Angus Graham ? :banghead :banghead
he has been statless his past 3 practise matches.
At least Simmo has a go
Graham was very good last year. Who cares about preseason games
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Smokey i think you are right on this...so its best we leave such decisions to the experts(the club)
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How could anyway say to play Angus Graham ? :banghead :banghead
he has been statless his past 3 practise matches.
At least Simmo has a go
Graham was very good last year. Who cares about preseason games
He was terrible last year. :banghead :banghead
What games do you people watch ??????
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Angus played 16 games last year for 46 kicks. Thats an average of 3 kicks per game :gobdrop
He played in 2 wins.
In those wins he had 1 kick and 2 kicks, Fantastic ::)
Forget about Angus Graham please.
We need match winners, players who can turn a game, he couldnt turn his toast at breakfast time. :lol
What we need at Punt Road is a mobile ruckman who can mark around the ground and take contested marks at that.
A "Paddy Ryder type."
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Simmonds playing on was a necessity.
We have no ruckman.
what a joke that a club can recruit for years yet ail to recruit ONE ruckman
what the eff did Simmonds do last night that Browne or Graham cannot?
I presume neither are in a wheel chair?
Tuck is our best ruckman, put him in the ruck.
Totally agree, play Tuck in the ruck. We all know he will give 100% and we all know he will not give us first use but get our on-ballers to play man on man at ball ups and throw ins. This way we have 4 blocks in the middle that can actually get the footy.
At least this way we will not be playing a man short everytime we take the field.
Our ruck stocks are at an all time low so let let them learn at Coburg and wait until they EARN a spot. Even Vickory needs to start to show a little, the only reason he is in the side at the moment is he was an early draft pick and we are hoping he can answer our prayers. But to date imo has shown little to nothing.
Harsh but fair i think.
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wow jack when you rattle of those stats ..his performance looks even more ordinary
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Wouldnt you all like a Brad Ottens type at Punt Road now
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jack ,otto saw we were a basket case and left,,thats my take on it now
Yes i'd love someone like him at the club...Do you think that maybe it would have been wiser to hang onto Patto for one more year and dispense with simmo?
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Wouldnt you all like a Brad Ottens type at Punt Road now
hmm, was inspired move that one ::), another doozy from Miller and wallace
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wasnt the decision to move otto on already made before terry took over
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jack ,otto saw we were a basket case and left,,thats my take on it now
Yes i'd love someone like him at the club...Do you think that maybe it would have been wiser to hang onto Patto for one more year and dispense with simmo?
Seen Patto at Northern Knights, was hopeless below his knees and was a bit uncoordinated.= aint going to make it.
There is a perception in the AFL if they are 6Ft 5 ins, they will make it, :banghead
Need to just keep turning them over to you find a good one, we tend to hold onto them for too long.
If Browne cant play senior footballer regularly this year, he is out the door with Graham a step ahead of him.
Would try and trade for one of Brisbanes ruckman.
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wasnt the decision to move otto on already made before terry took over
Wallace tried to keep him, but he didnt want to play under Wallace and left for more money
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Keeping Simmonds was a good decision.
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Keeping Simmonds was a good decision.
Agree
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Jack agree with Patto, a very suspect top 20 selection at the time and proven so 6 years on. Patto has come along way though IMO he was a mediocre Junior footballer at best. He was more a CHF that could ruck in teh forward line (Drew Petrie) than a full time ruckman... who knows what he drafted him for.
Simmonds.
I'm sorry he looks unfit, he's slow, he's kicking efficiency is suburban standard, his leap/ruck work is consistent with our ladder position 15th/16th in the AFL.
Band Aid option 1:
Rotate Polak/Tuck in centre bounce then pushing fwd with Vickory going around the ground.
Band Aid option 1:
Play Browne/Vickory rotating full time ruck with Polak/Moore filling up when needed.
You wont convince me in a million years that Simmonds staying was the right decision. I have huge respect for Troy and wish he was more competetive but he is a below par, unfit 30+ ruckman who hasn't beaten a top 8 ruckman since maybe 2006-07 at best.
Yes he may have a crack but so would I. And it's irrelevant when your jogging in the centre of the ground whilst a ball up is being contested by 1 Carlton Ruckman and 0 Tiger Rucks. It was Troy more often than Vickory at fault. Vickory spent maybe 30% of game in our fwd 50. Simmonds was 100% ruckman all game. The only thing I could think of was that it was Hardwicks plan of our defensive zone having Troy stay in the centre square as a big body...
Portecting our young rucks is a fine excuse but Troy wasn't the correct bodygaurd. I'd have been happy to see Tuck get beaten 100% of the time in the rucks and compete around the ground then see Troy win 20% of ruck contests and then big a log of skin floating around the middle of the ground..
It just was a bad call.
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wasnt the decision to move otto on already made before terry took over
Wallace tried to keep him, but he didnt want to play under Wallace and left for more money
that's not entirely true, the club offered him a reduced contract following two ordinary seasons in succession, Geelong showed interest, the club were cool on his VALUE and preferred the 2 first R draft picks that upping the ante on his contract. We could have retained him, TW preferred to roll the dice that netted us Meyer and Patto :banghead
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wasnt the decision to move otto on already made before terry took over
Wallace tried to keep him, but he didnt want to play under Wallace and left for more money
that's not entirely true, the club offered him a reduced contract following two ordinary seasons in succession, Geelong showed interest, the club were cool on his VALUE and preferred the 2 first R draft picks that upping the ante on his contract. We could have retained him, TW preferred to roll the dice that netted us Meyer and Patto :banghead
Be careful here
You will cause an internet riot if you remind people who we got . Meyer and Patto :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Know the family, he went for $$$$$$$$$ and didnt want to play under Wallace
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jack ,otto saw we were a basket case and left,,thats my take on it now
Yes i'd love someone like him at the club...Do you think that maybe it would have been wiser to hang onto Patto for one more year and dispense with simmo?
Seen Patto at Northern Knights, was hopeless below his knees and was a bit uncoordinated.= aint going to make it.
There is a perception in the AFL if they are 6Ft 5 ins, they will make it, :banghead
Need to just keep turning them over to you find a good one, we tend to hold onto them for too long.
If Browne cant play senior footballer regularly this year, he is out the door with Graham a step ahead of him.
Would try and trade for one of Brisbanes ruckman.
Absolute garbage that Browne will be delisted so soon, it's only his 2nd year. You can't give up on ruckmen that quickly.
Stop comparing rookie listed ruck projects against Top 5 picks in players like Ryder and Ottens. We have Vickery now, we have to wait for him to develop too.
Wouldn't mind us trying to get McCulloch from Brisbane, he wouldn't have much chance to play with Clarke, Leuenberger & Charman on the list.
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jack ,otto saw we were a basket case and left,,thats my take on it now
Yes i'd love someone like him at the club...Do you think that maybe it would have been wiser to hang onto Patto for one more year and dispense with simmo?
Seen Patto at Northern Knights, was hopeless below his knees and was a bit uncoordinated.= aint going to make it.
There is a perception in the AFL if they are 6Ft 5 ins, they will make it, :banghead
Need to just keep turning them over to you find a good one, we tend to hold onto them for too long.
If Browne cant play senior footballer regularly this year, he is out the door with Graham a step ahead of him.
Would try and trade for one of Brisbanes ruckman.
Absolute garbage that Browne will be delisted so soon, it's only his 2nd year. You can't give up on ruckmen that quickly.
Stop comparing rookie listed ruck projects against Top 5 picks in players like Ryder and Ottens. We have Vickery now, we have to wait for him to develop too.
Wouldn't mind us trying to get McCulloch from Brisbane, he wouldn't have much chance to play with Clarke, Leuenberger & Charman on the list.
Oh yes you can get rid of them, thats why we aint any good, holding onto duds.
We aint been brutual enough with the players in the past.
If you dont show anything, move them on.
Would think Browne would need to play at least 5-8 senior games to be considered a contract in 2011., otherwise out the door
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jack ,otto saw we were a basket case and left,,thats my take on it now
Yes i'd love someone like him at the club...Do you think that maybe it would have been wiser to hang onto Patto for one more year and dispense with simmo?
Seen Patto at Northern Knights, was hopeless below his knees and was a bit uncoordinated.= aint going to make it.
There is a perception in the AFL if they are 6Ft 5 ins, they will make it, :banghead
Need to just keep turning them over to you find a good one, we tend to hold onto them for too long.
If Browne cant play senior footballer regularly this year, he is out the door with Graham a step ahead of him.
Would try and trade for one of Brisbanes ruckman.
Absolute garbage that Browne will be delisted so soon, it's only his 2nd year. You can't give up on ruckmen that quickly.
Stop comparing rookie listed ruck projects against Top 5 picks in players like Ryder and Ottens. We have Vickery now, we have to wait for him to develop too.
Wouldn't mind us trying to get McCulloch from Brisbane, he wouldn't have much chance to play with Clarke, Leuenberger & Charman on the list.
Oh yes you can get rid of them, thats why we aint any good, holding onto duds.
We aint been brutual enough with the players in the past.
If you dont show anything, move them on.
Would think Browne would need to play at least 5-8 senior games to be considered a contract in 2011., otherwise out the door
Bullshiet!!
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simmonds really lead the way on thursday nite lol
he is poo crapola, and should have been delisted
he must be the softest weakest black belt going around, no physical toughness and no mental strength,
he can go play with his non venomous snakes