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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 01, 2010, 09:31:03 AM
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Pick one: Brett Deleldio or Ryan Griffin?
* Jon Anderson
* From: Herald Sun
* April 01, 2010
EACH week Jon Anderson will ask you to pick the best of two footballers. Today, who would you pick between Richmond's Brett Deledio and the Bulldogs' Ryan Griffen?
BOTH taken high in the 2004 National Draft, both 188cm midfielders who can also play forward or back, their ability to run and carry is a standout feature in today’s game.
So, who would you choose first if Brett Deledio and Ryan Griffen were available in this year’s National Draft, as they were in 2004 when taken with picks one and three respectively?
Who would you pick? Debate with Jon Anderson below at 9am.
That was the same draft where Jarryd Roughead went at two, Richard Tambling at four and Buddy Franklin got through to five for reasons only known to the recuiters of the time.
Deledio and Griffen have since become fine players in their own right and to win two best and fairests by age 22, albeit in a struggling team, is a fair reflection of where Deledio is at.
Griffin plays at a far stronger club and has suffered one serious injury when he dislocated his knee in 2007 after a very good season in 2006.
But have both fulfilled their obvious talent? Mike Sheahan would say not after he left them out of his annual top 50 player lists.
Now into their sixth seasons, Deledio and Griffen are at a stage where you want more from them.
Griffen teases because when in full flight he is a sight to behold, a fluent runner capable of carrying the ball further than most. But he suffers from inconsistency, although at 23 he’s reached the stage where he may be ready to explode.
Jimmy Bartel and Gary Ablett were both that age before becoming the midfield stars they are today. Back to Deledio and Griffen, who would you choose first?
On exposed form it’s hard to justify placing him ahead of Deledio, but Griffen plays in a free-wheeling style that can change games very quickly. Maybe it’s blind faith but I still believe he will end up the better player.
Or do it this way. When you team is exposed to Richmond and the Western Bulldogs, who worries you most?
ANDO'S VERDICT: RYAN GRIFFEN
TALE OF THE TAPE
Brett Deledio
Age: 22
Games: 107
Height and weight: 188cm, 88kg
Best and fairests: 1st in 2008-2009
NAB Rising Star in 2005
Strengths: Good overhead mark, good speed, long and accurate kick.
Weaknesses: Doesn’t win enough contested football and right now is a jack of all trades, master of none.
Ryan Griffen
Age: 23
Games: 98
Height and weight: 188cm, 87kg
Best and fairests: 9th in 2008, 8th in 2006
2nd in 2005 NAB Rising Star.
Strengths: Has obvious speed and balance, good core strength to break tackles and can kick it long.
Weaknesses: Like Deledio is extremely athletic but not an obviously natural player. Needs to get it more often.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-one-brett-deleldio-or-ryan-griffin/story-e6frf9jf-1225848330171
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Oh dear.
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Ando you idiot.
Deledio is no star but he's better than the horse face Griffen..
Griffen is the last of the high draft picks of natural athletes. He's fast agile and can run all day with muscle on his bones.
Long kick yep, footy smarts no.
Deledio would get a spot on any list before Griffen.
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There is no realistic debate here - LIds by a country-mile on talent, skills and, most importantly in these such comparisons, achievements.
At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
Stripes
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There is no realistic debate here - LIds by a country-mile on talent, skills and, most importantly in these such comparisons, achievements.
At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
Stripes
buddy=match winner
Lids is not.......yet
Buddy by a mile at this stage
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deledio is way above griffen
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Deledio, a one man band at Richmond. Griffin has oodles of coat tails to hang off at the bullies- never cops the number one tag...
Moronic article.
I would love to see Deledio in a better team, he is far better than this current team has allowed him to be.
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Deledio, a one man band at Richmond. Griffin has oodles of coat tails to hang off at the bullies- never cops the number one tag...
Moronic article.
I would love to see Deledio in a better team, he is far better than this current team has allowed him to be.
Be careful what you wish for, so long as that better team is an improving Richmond!
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At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
and Tambling & Griffen
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Can we pick the rest of the Bulldogs midfield as well?
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Statistically Lids is just ahead. Not to mention also 9 months younger than Griffen.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1484&tid2=8&pid2=1486&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1484&tid2=8&pid2=1486&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C)
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would have taken Roughhead before deledio & stated that before the draft
Roughhead will give far more value to his football club by the end of his career than Deledio
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Deledio easily. :thumbsup
And as an aside it never ceases to amaze me that Richmond cop all the stuff for not selecting Buddy at pick 4 but people rarely mention the FACT that the Bullies had a pick beofre us and bypassed Buddy as well and took Griffen instead.... :help
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Deledio easily. :clapping
Griffen is flashy at best. A downhill skier.
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Deledio easily. :thumbsup
And as an aside it never ceases to amaze me that Richmond cop all the stuff for not selecting Buddy at pick 4 but people rarely mention the FACT that the Bullies had a pick beofre us and bypassed Buddy as well and took Griffen instead.... :help
thats right WP
l still think Roughhead will be a better player overall for the Hawks then Buddy
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thats all good but were discussing Deledio and and Griffin in this thread as per the heading.
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There is no realistic debate here - LIds by a country-mile on talent, skills and, most importantly in these such comparisons, achievements.
At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
Stripes
buddy=match winner
Lids is not.......yet
Buddy by a mile at this stage
Deledio would kick 80+ goals a year if he played for Hawthorn or Footscray IMO ..
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There is no realistic debate here - LIds by a country-mile on talent, skills and, most importantly in these such comparisons, achievements.
At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
Stripes
buddy=match winner
Lids is not.......yet
Buddy by a mile at this stage
Deledio would kick 80+ goals a year if he played for Hawthorn or Footscray IMO ..
From the midfield??? ::)
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From the midfield??? ::)
Nah from the half back line, Lids is a super stuff it is just the rest of the spuds in our side dragging him down
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this may seem tough on griffen but he looks like a tourist in the bullies side, getting carried along on a great ride, its seems hes doing it easy, if deledio was at the bullies people would see the difference, atleast 3 classes a better player imho.
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There is no realistic debate here - LIds by a country-mile on talent, skills and, most importantly in these such comparisons, achievements.
At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
Stripes
buddy=match winner
Lids is not.......yet
Buddy by a mile at this stage
Deledio would kick 80+ goals a year if he played for Hawthorn or Footscray IMO ..
From the midfield??? ::)
If Deledio was in a good football team with an already strong midfeild ie. Geelong / St Kilda
they would use him in the forward line
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
its not just laziness, its the im too good for this attitude, he thinks cos he was a gun jnr and no1 pick his poo dont stink
he needs too look at nason and martin, they were not no1 picks but they have attitude and desire
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
When was the last time a 188cm midfielder/utility ever kicked 80 goals in a season?
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
When was the last time a 188cm midfielder/utility ever kicked 80 goals in a season?
tigermonk never said that
Bentleigh-esque is the tosser who said that
however, edwards dad was a gun indiginous player, i am sure he kicked over 100 goals in a season in the sanfl and he was a rover , absolute gun
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side,
did you watch the 3rd quarter of richmond vs geelong, in geelong last season?
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
When was the last time a 188cm midfielder/utility ever kicked 80 goals in a season?
tigermonk never said that
Bentleigh-esque is the tosser who said that
I realise that but it was the last comment made on the topic, so it was the post I quoted
It was addressed to anyone who wants to answer it
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
When was the last time a 188cm midfielder/utility ever kicked 80 goals in a season?
Goddard would kick 80 goals if St Kilda left him in the forward line.
Deledio would do the same in a top 4 team
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
When was the last time a 188cm midfielder/utility ever kicked 80 goals in a season?
Goddard would kick 80 goals if St Kilda left him in the forward line.
Deledio would do the same in a top 4 team
With or without Riewoldt?
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
When was the last time a 188cm midfielder/utility ever kicked 80 goals in a season?
Goddard would kick 80 goals if St Kilda left him in the forward line.
Deledio would do the same in a top 4 team
at this pt in time , deledio is not even goggards shoe laces
goddard has that competitive , the desire to win and backs his own skill . he takes the game on , does not play in his shell or comfort zone as lids does
if lids dared to take the game on he could be as good as goddard
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There is no realistic debate here - LIds by a country-mile on talent, skills and, most importantly in these such comparisons, achievements.
At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
Stripes
buddy=match winner
Lids is not.......yet
Buddy by a mile at this stage
Deledio would kick 80+ goals a year if he played for Hawthorn or Footscray IMO ..
If he can't break a tag with us why would he with another?
He's a spoilt little baby.
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at this pt in time , deledio is not even goggards shoe laces
goddard has that competitive , the desire to win and backs his own skill . he takes the game on , does not play in his shell or comfort zone as lids does
if lids dared to take the game on he could be as good as goddard
To be fair, Goddard took a pretty long time in a pretty good team to become a good footballer, he's about to turn 25 now.
Statistically both Brett's 4th & 5th years were better than Goddard's 4th, 5th & 6th years in the game. Goddard had to be moved to the half back line to turn him into a decent footballer, Brett's been played everywhere doing multiple roles in a crap team as a forward, midfielder and half back.
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There is no realistic debate here - LIds by a country-mile on talent, skills and, most importantly in these such comparisons, achievements.
At better comparison would be between Lids and Buddy.
Stripes
buddy=match winner
Lids is not.......yet
Buddy by a mile at this stage
Deledio would kick 80+ goals a year if he played for Hawthorn or Footscray IMO ..
If he can't break a tag with us why would he with another?
He's a spoilt little baby.
He'd have players around him that would take some of the pressure off.
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l have yet to see Deledio hurt any side, He will never kick 80 goals in any side cause his a lazy prick
When was the last time a 188cm midfielder/utility ever kicked 80 goals in a season?
Goddard would kick 80 goals if St Kilda left him in the forward line.
Deledio would do the same in a top 4 team
at this pt in time , deledio is not even goggards shoe laces
goddard has that competitive , the desire to win and backs his own skill . he takes the game on , does not play in his shell or comfort zone as lids does
if lids dared to take the game on he could be as good as goddard
Rubbish.
Most of last year when Goddard was at his best he was playing on a back stuff / loose back for the Saints and kicking ass. If Deledio was in the same role for St Kilda in 2009 he would have had a massive season. Deledio is not that far behind the like of Goddard or Cooney, if at all.
* Goddard is in a team with the like of Sam Fisher, N Reiwoldt, Gardiner, Hayes etc.
good players who are more mature than him.
* Deledio plays with the like of Rance, J Reiwoldt, Vickery, Edwards etc.
footballers who are younger than Deledio and he is expected to be the leader.
Do you really not understand how this makes a difference??