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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 15, 2010, 12:24:01 AM
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Terry Wallace takes a shot at Ben Cousins
* Jon Ralph
* From: Herald Sun
* April 15, 2010
FORMER Richmond coach Terry Wallace has criticised the late-night antics of troubled Tiger Ben Cousins.
Wallace was the man who controversially drafted Cousins in 2008, but said yesterday the 31-year-old should know better than to involve himself in a late-night brawl.
He also revealed teammate Daniel Connors had a litany of warnings for poor behaviour.
It is believed Connors, who was suspended for eight weeks for drunken behaviour, might have had as many as eight warnings.
Wallace has kept a low profile since his sacking, but used a Fox Sports interview to discuss the club's plight.
He also backed the direction of Damien Hardwick, at Richmond, but said his successor did not have the list for the kind of slow build that took Hawthorn to a premiership.
Wallace says Cousins' fragile confidence means the club cannot afford to drop him to the VFL if his form remains modest.
"Why would Ben put himself in that situation late in an evening when you know someone is consuming that much alcohol," Wallace said.
"You try to get the player (Connors) out of there and if you can't control the player you try to get yourself out of there.
Wallace said he was unsure if Cousins still deserved his place in the side or should be replaced by a younger player.
"That's a fascinating question. One of the reasons he was there in the first place was the humanitarian side of it, to try to help this bloke who's been such a champion of the game to get himself right, but there is a football club to be run at the same time and the biggest problem he has is he is getting no continuity of football.
"I think it is (delicate). We all know he treads a really fine line with his emotions. The one thing he's been able to hang his cap on is that football is his life and his lifeblood. To take it away would be very difficult."
Wallace said supporters should back Hardwick, even if the club struggled this year.
"There were people asking for Alastair Clarkson's scalp after seven or eight matches and they were getting belted in matches. Damien has seen that, he's been at the coalface when Hawthorn turned it around. The question that needs to be asked is does Richmond have the list that Hawthorn was developing at that stage, and that's very doubtful."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/terry-wallace-takes-a-shot-at-ben-cousins/story-e6frf9ix-1225853799312
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LMAO@ Bagging the list he was waiting to judge to see whether he recruited well over the years. :clapping
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Terry Wallace shouldn't take a pot shot at anything to do with Richmond. >:(
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why does a player get 8 warnings? he should have been out the door a long time ago.
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why does a player get 8 warnings? he should have been out the door a long time ago.
or shamed publicly into doing something about the problem earlier.
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why does a player get 8 warnings? he should have been out the door a long time ago.
'it is believed'
No doubt exaggerated though I don't dispute Connors has probably been loose for some time. He looked well out of shape last year particularly.
I wonder if he was one of those 50/50 to be kept/cut at the end of 2009 that Dimma has talked about?
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I wonder if he was one of those 50/50 to be kept/cut at the end of 2009 that Dimma has talked about?
No doubt, and he'll probably go on and become a good player elsewhere
All because we can't manage our players
If they had have got him help in the first place and done their duty, he might have changed his behaviour somewhat.
But if he hasn't after 8 warnings, that's mismanagement again - he should have been well and truly gone by now
Again, player mismanagement
When do management put their hand up or do we keep sacking coaches for bringing through a list that is physically and mentally weak.
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Terry Wallace takes a shot at Ben Cousins
* Jon Ralph
* From: Herald Sun
* April 15, 2010
FORMER Richmond coach Terry Wallace has criticised the late-night antics of troubled Tiger Ben Cousins.
Wallace was the man who controversially drafted Cousins in 2008, but said yesterday the 31-year-old should know better than to involve himself in a late-night brawl.
He also revealed teammate Daniel Connors had a litany of warnings for poor behaviour.
It is believed Connors, who was suspended for eight weeks for drunken behaviour, might have had as many as eight warnings.
Wallace has kept a low profile since his sacking, but used a Fox Sports interview to discuss the club's plight.
He also backed the direction of Damien Hardwick, at Richmond, but said his successor did not have the list for the kind of slow build that took Hawthorn to a premiership.
Wallace says Cousins' fragile confidence means the club cannot afford to drop him to the VFL if his form remains modest.
"Why would Ben put himself in that situation late in an evening when you know someone is consuming that much alcohol," Wallace said.
"You try to get the player (Connors) out of there and if you can't control the player you try to get yourself out of there.
Wallace said he was unsure if Cousins still deserved his place in the side or should be replaced by a younger player.
"That's a fascinating question. One of the reasons he was there in the first place was the humanitarian side of it, to try to help this bloke who's been such a champion of the game to get himself right, but there is a football club to be run at the same time and the biggest problem he has is he is getting no continuity of football.
"I think it is (delicate). We all know he treads a really fine line with his emotions. The one thing he's been able to hang his cap on is that football is his life and his lifeblood. To take it away would be very difficult."
Wallace said supporters should back Hardwick, even if the club struggled this year.
"There were people asking for Alastair Clarkson's scalp after seven or eight matches and they were getting belted in matches. Damien has seen that, he's been at the coalface when Hawthorn turned it around. The question that needs to be asked is does Richmond have the list that Hawthorn was developing at that stage, and that's very doubtful."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/terry-wallace-takes-a-shot-at-ben-cousins/story-e6frf9ix-1225853799312
terry, you believed that connors MIGHT have had 8 warnings??? FFS u were the senior coach and u're supposed to be on top of things but u think he MIGHT have had 8 warnings? great job you did, stop making accusations before getting the facts right.
also what ben did is called sticking by a mate and keeping him safe. it's called being a good mate and teammate. according to terry, once ben thinks connors had too much to drink, he ought to get out of there himself just so he wouldn't get into trouble.....yeah...great mate you are, it's ur selfishness that got the club into the state it is, trying to save your own job by topping up rather than rebuilding a list properly
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also what ben did is called sticking by a mate and keeping him safe. it's called being a good mate and teammate.
Disagree Peggles. Ben did not stick by his teammate and keep him safe - he let him get to a state where he was out of control - a mate who has a history of getting out of control. He watched and waited until it was way too late - that's not the mateship that is going to turn this club around. Connors needed a mate to rein him in before midnight, while he was still capable of listening to reason and had a measure of self control - thats what a real teammate would have done. And that's why the 3 amigos got 1 week.
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Terry Wallace takes a shot at Ben Cousins
* Jon Ralph
* From: Herald Sun
* April 15, 2010
Wallace has kept a low profile since his sacking.
Keep it that way Butt Head. Just STFU
Jackstar, can't you keep your mates under control?
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terry, you believed that connors MIGHT have had 8 warnings??? FFS u were the senior coach and u're supposed to be on top of things but u think he MIGHT have had 8 warnings? great job you did, stop making accusations before getting the facts right.
Seeing as Terry never spoke to the younger players, it's no wonder he has no idea.
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terry wallace knows where the west gate bridge is
so do us a favor and jump
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No doubt, and he'll probably go on and become a good player elsewhere
All because we can't manage our players
If they had have got him help in the first place and done their duty, he might have changed his behaviour somewhat.
But if he hasn't after 8 warnings, that's mismanagement again - he should have been well and truly gone by now
Again, player mismanagement
When do management put their hand up or do we keep sacking coaches for bringing through a list that is physically and mentally weak.
First up 8 warnings ...please... warnings yes but 8 of them ...oops sorry we think it may have been 8
Also, I don't want go keep harping about this but as I have posted elsewhere. He was offered help by the club but at the end of the day he has to want to help himself.
Mismanagement pehaps; although I don't think so. Ultimately Connors needs to take responsibility for his idiotic behaviour
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if its true he had 8 warnings then it is mismanagement
8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
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8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
Or it just shows Connors is the type of bloke which warnings mean nothing to, which is far more likely. The bloke is just one of those d-heads who gets along with everyone but can't control himself. Should be told he's off the grog for the rest of the year or he gets the sack.
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I love all the theories about exactly what went on. Some of you make it sound like Cuz sat in an armchair watching Connors write himself off for hours, like Connors was Nicolas Cage in Leaving Las Vegas and Cuz was Elizabeth Shue. Who knows what went on or if Cuz and the other two were there 100% of the time.
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8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
Or it just shows Connors is the type of bloke which warnings mean nothing to, which is far more likely. The bloke is just one of those d-heads who gets along with everyone but can't control himself. Should be told he's off the grog for the rest of the year or he gets the sack.
Then FHO, but don't rub three guys out who are not responsible for his actions either.
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8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
Or it just shows Connors is the type of bloke which warnings mean nothing to, which is far more likely. The bloke is just one of those d-heads who gets along with everyone but can't control himself. Should be told he's off the grog for the rest of the year or he gets the sack.
Then FHO, but don't rub three guys out who are not responsible for his actions either.
Would agree with FNM :thumbsup
Although 2 didnt turn up for rehab as they didnt get to sleep till after 4am.
And Cuz hit Connors, which aint good, a fine would of been more appropreaite.
As its the supporters as well that have to sit there and suffer on Sunday. we have suffered long enough
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8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
Or it just shows Connors is the type of bloke which warnings mean nothing to, which is far more likely. The bloke is just one of those d-heads who gets along with everyone but can't control himself. Should be told he's off the grog for the rest of the year or he gets the sack.
Then FHO, but don't rub three guys out who are not responsible for his actions either.
Have to disagree FNM. They did not do the teammate thing - they were either ignorant or lazy (or both) in letting their teammate get to that position in the first place. It's symptomatic of our on-field actions and until this group of players learns the real meaning of team and mate then we can't hope to improve.
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8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
Or it just shows Connors is the type of bloke which warnings mean nothing to, which is far more likely. The bloke is just one of those d-heads who gets along with everyone but can't control himself. Should be told he's off the grog for the rest of the year or he gets the sack.
Then FHO, but don't rub three guys out who are not responsible for his actions either.
Have to disagree FNM. They did not do the teammate thing - they were either ignorant or lazy (or both) in letting their teammate get to that position in the first place. It's symptomatic of our on-field actions and until this group of players learns the real meaning of team and mate then we can't hope to improve.
Well, I think the club has a duty of care as well to the players and to be looking after the welfare of players. The players too as well, I'm not excusing them. But to give them suspensions is a bit rich when blame should be spread across the management as well. So next time, do players just turn a blind eye to someone because if they get involved late on the scene they could be given a suspension. We don't want that to happen either do we?
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Well, I think the club has a duty of care as well to the players and to be looking after the welfare of players. The players too as well, I'm not excusing them. But to give them suspensions is a bit rich when blame should be spread across the management as well. So next time, do players just turn a blind eye to someone because if they get involved late on the scene they could be given a suspension. We don't want that to happen either do we?
Yeah, the club does have a duty of care but in this scenario (now or in the future) the responsibility or culpability will always rest on those that were present at the time. Without any inside knowledge of what really happened except what we have all read and heard, it would appear that Cousins, Polo and McGuane were present with Connors for a greater part of the period and accordingly should have acted like teammates - in their mate's best interests. It should not be management's responsibility to bed check grown men and in this case it would appear that much of the 'damage' was done once they were back in their rooms anyway. It should however, be not only the responsibility but the first and overriding reflex action of each and every player to look out for his teammate's back whenever they are around each other, on and off the field, and in this all 3 failed Connors - indeed, Richmond teams for 30 years have failed in this basic tenet of the team concept. The fact it has happened and the club has not only acknowledged the failing but acted swiftly and decisively gives me great heart and confidence that the Hardwick intent and direction is fair dinkum.
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8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
Or it just shows Connors is the type of bloke which warnings mean nothing to, which is far more likely. The bloke is just one of those d-heads who gets along with everyone but can't control himself. Should be told he's off the grog for the rest of the year or he gets the sack.
Then FHO, but don't rub three guys out who are not responsible for his actions either.
Would agree with FNM :thumbsup
Although 2 didnt turn up for rehab as they didnt get to sleep till after 4am.
And Cuz hit Connors, which aint good, a fine would of been more appropreaite.
As its the supporters as well that have to sit there and suffer on Sunday. we have suffered long enough
wrong jackstar
mguane and poo did turn up, they were just 30 min late
only connors didnt show up ;) ;) ;)
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Completly agree Smoke.
Your in the public eye, you represent a very popular football club that is big news when ever anything happens. They would have been aware of this, the first indictaion that Connors was over .05 for example should have clicked a light bulb on in one of there heads saying "poo. Anything could happen if Daniel keeps drinking. Lets whind it up."
It's not liike it's Round 20 and they've been sover for 5 months. It's Round 3 ffs. Have some self control, have 1 or 2 and go to bed.
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The players hated Wallace & his trying to get payback
just rip the page out of the paper as if it never printed / change the radio station his dribbling on cause Wallace is a liar
he lost all support from the players very early ;D
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The players hated Wallace & his trying to get payback
just rip the page out of the paper as if it never printed / change the radio station his dribbling on cause Wallace is a liar
he lost all support from the players very early ;D
seriously,wtf would you know ? :wallywink
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The players hated Wallace & his trying to get payback
just rip the page out of the paper as if it never printed / change the radio station his dribbling on cause Wallace is a liar
he lost all support from the players very early ;D
seriously,wtf would you know ? :wallywink
know alot more about Richmond & football than you soccerhead
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Wallace should STFU! He didnt do anything while he had the cahnce, so butt out now buddy!
Connors alone has to bear this disgrace, its a damn pity Cousins didnt deck him early on and save everyone the grief
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also what ben did is called sticking by a mate and keeping him safe. it's called being a good mate and teammate.
Disagree Peggles. Ben did not stick by his teammate and keep him safe - he let him get to a state where he was out of control - a mate who has a history of getting out of control. He watched and waited until it was way too late - that's not the mateship that is going to turn this club around. Connors needed a mate to rein him in before midnight, while he was still capable of listening to reason and had a measure of self control - thats what a real teammate would have done. And that's why the 3 amigos got 1 week.
fair enough. althought i think u've missed my point. all i'm saying is regardless of whether connors was allowed to drink himself out of control, terry is suggesting ben get himself out of there when things have escalated just so he won't get himself in trouble that is selfish and cowardly. if connors was allowed to drink out of control, then more the point the other 3 stay with him to prevent him from hurting himself.
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8 warnings lol, ridiiculous shows they cant warn correctly
Or it just shows Connors is the type of bloke which warnings mean nothing to, which is far more likely. The bloke is just one of those d-heads who gets along with everyone but can't control himself. Should be told he's off the grog for the rest of the year or he gets the sack.
Then FHO, but don't rub three guys out who are not responsible for his actions either.
Would agree with FNM :thumbsup
Although 2 didnt turn up for rehab as they didnt get to sleep till after 4am.
And Cuz hit Connors, which aint good, a fine would of been more appropreaite.
As its the supporters as well that have to sit there and suffer on Sunday. we have suffered long enough
wrong jackstar
mguane and poo did turn up, they were just 30 min late
only connors didnt show up ;) ;) ;)
I am deeply sorry for my mistake, I meant to write that they turned uplate.
Anyway, who cares
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I wonder if he was one of those 50/50 to be kept/cut at the end of 2009 that Dimma has talked about?
No doubt, and he'll probably go on and become a good player elsewhere
All because we can't manage our players
If they had have got him help in the first place and done their duty, he might have changed his behaviour somewhat.
But if he hasn't after 8 warnings, that's mismanagement again - he should have been well and truly gone by now
Again, player mismanagement
When do management put their hand up or do we keep sacking coaches for bringing through a list that is physically and mentally weak.
Very good point.
I think the disciplines (sp) going in now for real. (cross your fingers) :pray
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I wonder if he was one of those 50/50 to be kept/cut at the end of 2009 that Dimma has talked about?
No doubt, and he'll probably go on and become a good player elsewhere
All because we can't manage our players
If they had have got him help in the first place and done their duty, he might have changed his behaviour somewhat.
But if he hasn't after 8 warnings, that's mismanagement again - he should have been well and truly gone by now
Again, player mismanagement
When do management put their hand up or do we keep sacking coaches for bringing through a list that is physically and mentally weak.
Very good point.
I think the disciplines (sp) going in now for real. (cross your fingers) :pray
Carlscum send their best forward on his way. We give a guy who really doesn't care about himself or others eight chances.
I would definitely hope our admin can finally get their act together and give all of them a three strikes and you're out policy
And apply the same criteria to themselves because I don't see the blokes running this joint doing a great job either :banghead
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Carlscum send their best forward on his way. We give a guy who really doesn't care about himself or others eight chances.
Remind me again how many chances Fev had? ;D
Seems there's far less tolerance from all club's of player's who abuse alcohol in the current environment and like others our club has finally gotten serious.
Especially in light of so many recent high profile alcohol related incidents such as those relating to Fev & Lovett.
Sounds to me that Dan's very lucky he's not been sacked and we may move him on at year's end regardless.
No doubt all footballers across the league are on notice.
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What would be the point of sacking him now? I dont think you can elevate a rookie to replace him if you do which would leave us one short on the list.
The ball is now in his court to get his poo together...and if he does he will probably be a better person/player for it.
If he doesnt make it back into the seniors then he will probably be gone come next season, but at least he has had one last chance. The difference between this time and all his other warnings is that he has also a received a proverbial kick in the arse that makes his teeth rattle with it. He should be now under no illusions as to where he stands.
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What would be the point of sacking him now? I dont think you can elevate a rookie to replace him if you do which would leave us one short on the list.
The ball is now in his court to get his poo together...and if he does he will probably be a better person/player for it.
If he doesnt make it back into the seniors then he will probably be gone come next season, but at least he has had one last chance. The difference between this time and all his other warnings is that he has also a received a proverbial kick in the behind that makes his teeth rattle with it. He should be now under no illusions as to where he stands.
There is too much sense in that post, it will go way over the head of some
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Remind me again how many chances Fev had? ;D
Plenty. But Carlton had a bottom line and eventually had enough.
We seem to give a kid an open contract to not perform on or off the field :banghead
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comparisons with Fev and Carlton are eroneous
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comparisons with Fev and Carlton are eroneous
Why?
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Remind me again how many chances Fev had? ;D
Plenty. But Carlton had a bottom line and eventually had enough.
We seem to give a kid an open contract to not perform on or off the field :banghead
I can see where you are coming from, but I also see (hope?) that there are changes afoot within the club. It's a bit like comparing Connors suspension to that of Sugar's. That was then this is now. Sure you could rightfully argue that it should never have got this stage, but it has and that can't be changed. The club have now dealt with it swiftly, honestly, and perhaps brutally. I'd be very surprised if Conners was given another chance, unlike fev who seemed to have a number of last chances.
The other aspect of the comparison to Fev is that no one from those dirty cheating low life scum made any real effort to prevent Fevs self damage Brownlow night, something that was being telecast live. Yet although three blokes did try to help Connors, the club has said they didn't do it soon enough or go about it the right way, here's some medicine for you to. If Carlton had applied that then the captain would have been suspended for a year and the president stood down.