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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on April 18, 2010, 05:17:41 PM
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Simmonds should retire this week and a couple of blokes like McMahon should be paid out and let go. Thanks but its time for them to leave RFC and they arent the only ones.
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Problem is this.
Vickery aint going to make.
Seems like a "'protected "" player due to his Dads involvement.
Interesting fact that during his TAC career, he averaged 6 possesions a game, shouldnt of been drafted in the first place :banghead :banghead.
He was HOPELESS today, remember Melbourne only played 1 ruckman ( Jamar), and had Dunne up against Vickery ::)
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We dont have a ruck division Jacko- We all know that but the coach is stranded by what Wallace left him. I am not writing of Vickery, hes a kid who needs a couple of years at least in the system. Maybe he wont make it anyway this thread is about Simmonds and afew other blokes. Richmond admin needs to make a couple of decisions this week IMHO.
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Simmons tries hard, but his body doesnt let him play.
He at least got himself in good positions today, although the pace of the game kills him
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Damien Hardwick said he was going to be ruthless if so he needs to
1) Retire Simmonds this week
2) Cut Tuck and McMahon from the list as neither will be at RFC next year IMHO.
Be ruthless- Good, the club and coach needs to show us how ruthless they can be.
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Problem is this.
Vickery aint going to make.
Seems like a "'protected "" player due to his Dads involvement.
Interesting fact that during his TAC career, he averaged 6 possesions a game, shouldnt of been drafted in the first place :banghead :banghead.
He was HOPELESS today, remember Melbourne only played 1 ruckman ( Jamar), and had Dunne up against Vickery ::)
Funny you mention Jamar, Jack. Apparently he is taking all before him in hitouts to advantage this season and watching today's game I thought in this area he was very good - he gave his midfielders first use of the ball many many times and was one of the main reasons for the turnaround after half time when he got on top in the middle. He has been in the system for 8 years now and guess how many disposals he averages? Yep, 6 - 6.3 to be exact. Plenty of time for Vickery and if he keeps improving like I have seen already this year then at worst he will be competitive. I saw him asserting himself in the contest a number of times today and it looks to me like he is just starting to believe in himself - the single most important moment in the timeline of a kid learning the game.
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Damien Hardwick said he was going to be ruthless if so he needs to
1) Retire Simmonds this week
2) Cut Tuck and McMahon from the list as neither will be at RFC next year IMHO.
Be ruthless- Good, the club and coach needs to show us how ruthless they can be.
Ruthless to Hardwick is suspending players when it was the clubs fault anyway :banghead.
ruthless means when a players makes a huge mistake, dragging him and pointing out the error, why would he sit on the bench if he doesnt do that.
Should of gragged Tambling on 3 occaasions today, but didnt.
watch Paul Roos coach,he does
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Damien Hardwick said he was going to be ruthless if so he needs to
1) Retire Simmonds this week
2) Cut Tuck and McMahon from the list as neither will be at RFC next year IMHO.
Be ruthless- Good, the club and coach needs to show us how ruthless they can be.
Ruthless to Hardwick is suspending players when it was the clubs fault anyway :banghead.
ruthless means when a players makes a huge mistake, dragging him and pointing out the error, why would he sit on the bench if he doesnt do that.
Should of gragged Tambling on 3 occaasions today, but didnt.
watch Paul Roos coach,he does
Roos has been coaching for years and has won a flag Hardwick has coached 4 games. Youre not comparing apples to apples jacko. Hardwick will make plenty of mistakes on the journey but its 2 years away before any of us can say if he will make a coach or not IMHO.
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Damien Hardwick said he was going to be ruthless if so he needs to
1) Retire Simmonds this week
2) Cut Tuck and McMahon from the list as neither will be at RFC next year IMHO.
Be ruthless- Good, the club and coach needs to show us how ruthless they can be.
Ruthless to Hardwick is suspending players when it was the clubs fault anyway :banghead.
ruthless means when a players makes a huge mistake, dragging him and pointing out the error, why would he sit on the bench if he doesnt do that.
Should of gragged Tambling on 3 occaasions today, but didnt.
watch Paul Roos coach,he does
Roos has been coaching for years and has won a flag Hardwick has coached 4 games. Youre not comparing apples to apples jacko. Hardwick will make plenty of mistakes on the journey but its 2 years away before any of us can say if he will make a coach or not IMHO.
Mate , he hasnt done anything right in 4 weeks you mean. Made an arse out of Tuck,
He speaks about structure, who is fooling who here, AS THERE ISNT ANY., none what so ever.
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Ok Jacko I take your point but If Roos was coaching Richmond- how would we be any different with the players weve got?. Weve got very little talent.
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Sack Simmo & who's going to ruck? Gus? You have got to be kidding if he's our next ruckman. :rollin
Browne should be good but a long way off.
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vickery is improving nicely, did well today
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Sack Simmo & who's going to ruck? Gus? You have got to be kidding if he's our next ruckman. :rollin
Browne should be good but a long way off.
We havent got any ruck, doesnt matter who rucks now, were gonna get slaughtered in the ruck so we may as well retire Simmonds and cut afew from the list.
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Ok Jacko I take your point but If Roos was coaching Richmond- how would we be any different with the players weve got?. Weve got very little talent.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
we would have a structure where players would work for each other and isolate players accordingly.
Presently they have no idea where to play players, where is Post playing ? and when you work that out, please tell the kid. :banghead
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Jacko-
Richmond players havent blocked, shepharded or done anything for a team mate for as long as I can remember. It was one the hallmarks of the Wallace era and the last couple of Frawleys. Our players have never spread properly from the contest at any stage over the last 7 years. Roos is a great coach, but you cant turn average players into silk. We just dont have enough talent.
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Yep Simmo and Tucky are just too slow now. Simmo was good for us in 3 of his first 4 years but it's sad now seeing him lumber around, dropping marks he use to take easily, lacking awareness and getting run down. The problem is the alternatives out of the side aren't there.
Vickery averaged 17 possessions and 13 hitouts per game Jack in his last year in the TAC Cup. 6.3 kicks and 10.8 handballs. Don't know where you got just 6 possies from ???.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tyrone%20Vickery&action=PSTATS&pID=187106448&client=1-3020-0-67827-8064749
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do any of u guys have a real understand of where we are at
i dont think u do!
ffs stop ur whinging and focus on teh positives and encourage the young kids
u r getting boring
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do any of u guys have a real understand of where we are at
i dont think u do!
ffs stop ur whinging and focus on teh positives and encourage the young kids
u r getting boring
They aint many postives, been competitive would be a positive, but we aint
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do any of u guys have a real understand of where we are at
i dont think u do!
ffs stop ur whinging and focus on teh positives and encourage the young kids
u r getting boring
we know exactly where the club is this thread is about the club making a statement about the standards required to play league footy at Richmond.
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Yep Simmo and Tucky are just too slow now. Simmo was good for us in 3 of his first 4 years but it's sad now seeing him lumber around, dropping marks he use to take easily, lacking awareness and getting run down. The problem is the alternatives out of the side aren't there.
Vickery averaged 17 possessions and 13 hitouts per game Jack in his last year in the TAC Cup. 6.3 kicks and 10.8 handballs. Don't know where you got just 6 possies from ???.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tyrone%20Vickery&action=PSTATS&pID=187106448&client=1-3020-0-67827-8064749
6 kicks is hardly enough for what, a 2nd round pic :banghead :banghead
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MT, he wont make it.
If it wasnt for his Dad, he wouldnt be getting a game
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do any of u guys have a real understand of where we are at
i dont think u do!
ffs stop ur whinging and focus on teh positives and encourage the young kids
u r getting boring
:thumbsup
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do any of u guys have a real understand of where we are at
i dont think u do!
ffs stop ur whinging and focus on teh positives and encourage the young kids
u r getting boring
:thumbsup
We got beaten by 10 goals by Melbourne ::)
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Oh poo your right...and i claimed on here that we would win. So now, in anger and embarrasment, i should should start bagging the coach/gameplan/club/players/water boy :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep .....
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Oh poo your right...and i claimed on here that we would win. So now, in anger and embarrasment, i should should start bagging the coach/gameplan/club/players/water boy :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep .....
Not at all,
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Yep Simmo and Tucky are just too slow now. Simmo was good for us in 3 of his first 4 years but it's sad now seeing him lumber around, dropping marks he use to take easily, lacking awareness and getting run down. The problem is the alternatives out of the side aren't there.
Vickery averaged 17 possessions and 13 hitouts per game Jack in his last year in the TAC Cup. 6.3 kicks and 10.8 handballs. Don't know where you got just 6 possies from ???.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tyrone%20Vickery&action=PSTATS&pID=187106448&client=1-3020-0-67827-8064749
6 kicks is hardly enough for what, a 2nd round pic :banghead :banghead
fishing are we?
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Oh poo your right...and i claimed on here that we would win. So now, in anger and embarrasment, i should should start bagging the coach/gameplan/club/players/water boy :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep .....
Speaking of water boys - there would be one trainer hiding in the shadows around the club for the next day or 2. :-[
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MT, he wont make it.
If it wasnt for his Dad, he wouldnt be getting a game
Clearly our best ruck option at the moment. I'd think that's why he's getting a game....
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MT, he wont make it.
If it wasnt for his Dad, he wouldnt be getting a game
Clearly our best ruck option at the moment. I'd think that's why he's getting a game....
he is a very ordinary footballer
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Problem is this.
Vickery aint going to make.
Seems like a "'protected "" player due to his Dads involvement.
Interesting fact that during his TAC career, he averaged 6 possesions a game, shouldnt of been drafted in the first place :banghead :banghead.
He was HOPELESS today, remember Melbourne only played 1 ruckman ( Jamar), and had Dunne up against Vickery ::)
did he really, I was adamant prior to the draft that ruckman should come from rookie list not R1 selections. He has improved on that now Jack, he would be getting 8 or so touches a game. Although I have been tough on him also, you needn't look any further than the painstaking progress of Big men such as Mitch clarke, who was no more or less advanced after 12mths at the Lions :shh
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Just remind you all, Melbourne played one ruckman Jamar, there back up was Dunn ::)
Dunn wouldnt be 6ft 2 ::)
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Yep Simmo and Tucky are just too slow now. Simmo was good for us in 3 of his first 4 years but it's sad now seeing him lumber around, dropping marks he use to take easily, lacking awareness and getting run down. The problem is the alternatives out of the side aren't there.
Vickery averaged 17 possessions and 13 hitouts per game Jack in his last year in the TAC Cup. 6.3 kicks and 10.8 handballs. Don't know where you got just 6 possies from ???.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tyrone%20Vickery&action=PSTATS&pID=187106448&client=1-3020-0-67827-8064749
6 kicks is hardly enough for what, a 2nd round pic :banghead :banghead
oh so you were making it up jack, you know what they say about statements straight from the clacker, for all they're worth, that's probably where they should remain, take heed :shh
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Just remind you all, Melbourne played one ruckman Jamar, there back up was Dunn ::)
Dunn wouldnt be 6ft 2 ::)
You're right, he wouldn't - he's 6'4" - and he spent very little time in the ruck, Jamar rucked for most of the game.
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Just remind you all, Melbourne played one ruckman Jamar, there back up was Dunn ::)
Dunn wouldnt be 6ft 2 ::)
You're right, he wouldn't - he's 6'4" - and he spent very little time in the ruck, Jamar rucked for most of the game.
Rubbish, spent at least 6-8 minutes a quarter.
they have no regards for Simonds either , as they were prepared to put him up against Simmonds in the Centre Bounce
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They aint many postives, been competitive would be a positive, but we aint
Were we at the same game ???
Let me see first qtr - were we competitive ??? Yep we were
2qtr - competitive ? Hmmm yeah I think we were, would go as far as to say we should have bloody well been in front
3rd - competitive ? NOPE, NADA, NO, NOT AT ALL
4th Qtr ? Well considering we didn't get blown away by 90 points - I'd say yep they had a dip
Let me make this very clear... I hate going every week and loosing, I am flying to Perth next weekend and I am filled with dread but our results are exactly where the majority of people on this very forum said they would be so get a grip and deal with it.
For sure it aint pretty but it is what it is...
If you hate it so much then just don't go - it is that simple
Personally I took some real positive signs out of today's game and if people dont' want to acknowledge them then that's their problem
If people didn't think Astbury showed something, that Nason could be one of the best late picks of the '09 draft, that Martin is a pure gem, that Cotchin is a natural born leader or that simply our kids are going to get better the more games they play then you just don't want to see any positives
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Problem is this.
Vickery aint going to make.
Seems like a "'protected "" player due to his Dads involvement.
Interesting fact that during his TAC career, he averaged 6 possesions a game, shouldnt of been drafted in the first place :banghead :banghead.
He was HOPELESS today, remember Melbourne only played 1 ruckman ( Jamar), and had Dunne up against Vickery ::)
You are an idiot 8)
Couldn't be happier with Vickery's last 3 weeks in the ruck. Are you comparing him to Natanui?
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Rubbish, spent at least 6-8 minutes a quarter.
they have no regards for Simonds either , as they were prepared to put him up against Simmonds in the Centre Bounce
Nup. Jamar took almost all the hitouts today. Dunn took a couple, even Sylvia took a couple, all depended on where the ball was. Jamar's role today wasn't to roam the ground getting possessions - it was a tap role - and he did that very well, bringing their midfield into the game in the 3rd quarter. Only needed a few short breaks because he wasn't roaming the ground keeping up with general play and his breaks were in the forward line, not on the bench.
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They aint many postives, been competitive would be a positive, but we aint
Were we at the same game ???
Let me see first qtr - were we competitive ??? Yep we were
2qtr - competitive ? Hmmm yeah I think we were, would go as far as to say we should have bloody well been in front
3rd - competitive ? NOPE, NADA, NO, NOT AT ALL
4th Qtr ? Well considering we didn't get blown away by 90 points - I'd say yep they had a dip
Let me make this very clear... I hate going every week and loosing, I am flying to Perth next weekend and I am filled with dread but our results are exactly where the majority of people on this very forum said they would be so get a grip and deal with it.
For sure it aint pretty but it is what it is...
If you hate it so much then just don't go - it is that simple
Personally I took some real positive signs out of today's game and if people dont' want to acknowledge them then that's their problem
If people didn't think Astbury showed something, that Nason could be one of the best late picks of the '09 draft, that Martin is a pure gem, that Cotchin is a natural born leader or that simply our kids are going to get better the more games they play then you just don't want to see any positives
We were at the same game.
We played Melbourne remember.
Lets dont get away from the facts that we were beaten by 10 goals by a team of no hopers.
As for being competitve till half time. The scoreboard flattered us.
Melbourne had 100 more possesions for the game.
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They aint many postives, been competitive would be a positive, but we aint
Were we at the same game ???
Let me see first qtr - were we competitive ??? Yep we were
2qtr - competitive ? Hmmm yeah I think we were, would go as far as to say we should have bloody well been in front
3rd - competitive ? NOPE, NADA, NO, NOT AT ALL
4th Qtr ? Well considering we didn't get blown away by 90 points - I'd say yep they had a dip
Let me make this very clear... I hate going every week and loosing, I am flying to Perth next weekend and I am filled with dread but our results are exactly where the majority of people on this very forum said they would be so get a grip and deal with it.
For sure it aint pretty but it is what it is...
If you hate it so much then just don't go - it is that simple
Personally I took some real positive signs out of today's game and if people dont' want to acknowledge them then that's their problem
If people didn't think Astbury showed something, that Nason could be one of the best late picks of the '09 draft, that Martin is a pure gem, that Cotchin is a natural born leader or that simply our kids are going to get better the more games they play then you just don't want to see any positives
this is a fair and reasonable analysis of the game and some of the positives.
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Problem is this.
Vickery aint going to make.
Seems like a "'protected "" player due to his Dads involvement.
Interesting fact that during his TAC career, he averaged 6 possesions a game, shouldnt of been drafted in the first place :banghead :banghead.
He was HOPELESS today, remember Melbourne only played 1 ruckman ( Jamar), and had Dunne up against Vickery ::)
You are an idiot 8)
Couldn't be happier with Vickery's last 3 weeks in the ruck. Are you comparing him to Natanui?
Will go on record, he wont make it.
Griffiths will be playing in 4 weeks time and will be ahead of him at years end.
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i agree wp
many positives today
the chimp was a good leader but imo , jack riewoldt was a better leader, he covered heaps of territory today, richo missed goals easier than ones he missed but we all agree richo is great. kacks work ethis today was richoesque
but as u say many postives
nason will be a star
martin will be the best midfeilder in a couple of yrs in the comp, class
astbury great debut
taylor showed great signs
for 3/4 our teamwork and desire to help out each other was fantyastic
vickery keeps on improving
cotchin
moore
tambling, yes alot of his efforts and work get unnoticed by his haters
deledio is starting to mature and gur run more
our game style is improving, just the short sighted impatient fools cant see that
i have said it b4 and will say it again, the scoreboard does not matter this yr
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scoreboard mighten matter but possessing the ball does, you have to win the footy.
melbourne had 100 more possesions, and Melbourne are bad, enough said.
X, stop sticking up for Tambling 7 kicks and 5 handballs against a terrible team aint good.
I watched him walking down the ground when the opposition were attacking , he seemed to not care less.
Whats sad is a first season player like Nason run past him to try and pick up Tamblings opponent.
Dont know what Richards problem is, maybe he just cant play.
Will also say the club hasnt helped him, as they dont know where to play him.
Does anyone know where he plays, I certainly dont.
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Yep Simmo and Tucky are just too slow now. Simmo was good for us in 3 of his first 4 years but it's sad now seeing him lumber around, dropping marks he use to take easily, lacking awareness and getting run down. The problem is the alternatives out of the side aren't there.
Vickery averaged 17 possessions and 13 hitouts per game Jack in his last year in the TAC Cup. 6.3 kicks and 10.8 handballs. Don't know where you got just 6 possies from ???.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tyrone%20Vickery&action=PSTATS&pID=187106448&client=1-3020-0-67827-8064749
6 kicks is hardly enough for what, a 2nd round pic :banghead :banghead
NicNat would have been lucky to have averaged 2 or 3 kicks per game at U18 level. Stupid of the Eagles to pick him up at pick 2 then ::).
Vickery was picked up based on his U18 Champs form when he starred especially in the final against NicNat's WA. He's still only 19 FFS. Picking on the wrong guy Jack when you have duds like Hislop in the side :banghead. Btw Jamar is 26 and this is his first year he isn't looking like a complete spud as a ruckman.
We aren't getting killed so much in close (clearances were level). It's once the ball is out in space that the differences are shown up. We get sliced and diced when the opposition have the ball while we turnover the ball through dumb schoolboy errors and gift goals. We'd be over 200 points gifted to the opposition from our turnovers in the first 4 rounds.
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scoreboard mighten matter but possessing the ball does, you have to win the footy.
melbourne had 100 more possesions, and Melbourne are bad, enough said.
X, stop sticking up for Tambling 7 kicks and 5 handballs against a terrible team aint good.
I watched him walking down the ground when the opposition were attacking , he seemed to not care less.
Whats sad is a first season player like Nason run past him to try and pick up Tamblings opponent.
Dont know what Richards problem is, maybe he just cant play.
Will also say the club hasnt helped him, as they dont know where to play him.
Does anyone know where he plays, I certainly dont.
try him in the centre - doesnt matter anyway if the rumours are right hes headed elsewhere come the end of the season.
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Yep Simmo and Tucky are just too slow now. Simmo was good for us in 3 of his first 4 years but it's sad now seeing him lumber around, dropping marks he use to take easily, lacking awareness and getting run down. The problem is the alternatives out of the side aren't there.
Vickery averaged 17 possessions and 13 hitouts per game Jack in his last year in the TAC Cup. 6.3 kicks and 10.8 handballs. Don't know where you got just 6 possies from ???.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tyrone%20Vickery&action=PSTATS&pID=187106448&client=1-3020-0-67827-8064749
6 kicks is hardly enough for what, a 2nd round pic :banghead :banghead
NicNat would have been lucky to have averaged 2 or 3 kicks per game at U18 level. Stupid of the Eagles to pick him up at pick 2 then ::).
Vickery was picked up based on his U18 Champs form when he starred especially in the final against NicNat's WA. He's still only 19 FFS. Picking on the wrong guy Jack when you have duds like Hislop in the side :banghead. Btw Jamar is 26 and this is his first year he isn't looking like a complete spud as a ruckman.
We aren't getting killed so much in close (clearances were level). It's once the ball is out in space that the differences are shown up. We get sliced and diced when the opposition have the ball while we turnover the ball through dumb schoolboy errors and gift goals. We'd be over 200 points gifted to the opposition from our turnovers in the first 4 rounds.
Would agree, my views on Vickery are what I have seen in matches this year
He hasnt gone on from last year.
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scoreboard mighten matter but possessing the ball does, you have to win the footy.
melbourne had 100 more possesions, and Melbourne are bad, enough said.
X, stop sticking up for Tambling 7 kicks and 5 handballs against a terrible team aint good.
I watched him walking down the ground when the opposition were attacking , he seemed to not care less.
Whats sad is a first season player like Nason run past him to try and pick up Tamblings opponent.
Dont know what Richards problem is, maybe he just cant play.
Will also say the club hasnt helped him, as they dont know where to play him.
Does anyone know where he plays, I certainly dont.
try him in the centre - doesnt matter anyway if the rumours are right hes headed elsewhere come the end of the season.
hey Ramps, do you know where he is playing ?? I dont
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Problem is this.
Vickery aint going to make.
Seems like a "'protected "" player due to his Dads involvement.
Interesting fact that during his TAC career, he averaged 6 possesions a game, shouldnt of been drafted in the first place :banghead :banghead.
He was HOPELESS today, remember Melbourne only played 1 ruckman ( Jamar), and had Dunne up against Vickery ::)
You are an idiot 8)
Couldn't be happier with Vickery's last 3 weeks in the ruck. Are you comparing him to Natanui?
Will go on record, he wont make it.
Griffiths will be playing in 4 weeks time and will be ahead of him at years end.
He already has made it. Be prepared for a 12+ year career. Sorry to say 8)
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try him in the centre - doesnt matter anyway if the rumours are right hes headed elsewhere come the end of the season.
Rumours? I love rumours - they are rarely true but they are good for a laugh ;D ;) ;)
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tambling has been asked to do a different role this yr, hardwick is not unhappy with him, nor am i, sopme ppl who allegedly know it all know f all
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try him in the centre - doesnt matter anyway if the rumours are right hes headed elsewhere come the end of the season.
Rumours? I love rumours - they are rarely true but they are good for a laugh ;D ;) ;)
I heard a rumor that my feet were were hanging out the end of bed. Last night i got up and had a look. They weren't.
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Problem is this.
Vickery aint going to make.
Seems like a "'protected "" player due to his Dads involvement.
Interesting fact that during his TAC career, he averaged 6 possesions a game, shouldnt of been drafted in the first place :banghead :banghead.
He was HOPELESS today, remember Melbourne only played 1 ruckman ( Jamar), and had Dunne up against Vickery ::)
You are an idiot 8)
Couldn't be happier with Vickery's last 3 weeks in the ruck. Are you comparing him to Natanui?
Will go on record, he wont make it.
Griffiths will be playing in 4 weeks time and will be ahead of him at years end.
Well one is a ruckman and the other a forward so not sure of the comparison. For a 19 year old ruckman he is ahead of schedule.
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They aint many postives, been competitive would be a positive, but we aint
Were we at the same game ???
Let me see first qtr - were we competitive ??? Yep we were
2qtr - competitive ? Hmmm yeah I think we were, would go as far as to say we should have bloody well been in front
3rd - competitive ? NOPE, NADA, NO, NOT AT ALL
4th Qtr ? Well considering we didn't get blown away by 90 points - I'd say yep they had a dip
Let me make this very clear... I hate going every week and loosing, I am flying to Perth next weekend and I am filled with dread but our results are exactly where the majority of people on this very forum said they would be so get a grip and deal with it.
For sure it aint pretty but it is what it is...
If you hate it so much then just don't go - it is that simple
Personally I took some real positive signs out of today's game and if people dont' want to acknowledge them then that's their problem
If people didn't think Astbury showed something, that Nason could be one of the best late picks of the '09 draft, that Martin is a pure gem, that Cotchin is a natural born leader or that simply our kids are going to get better the more games they play then you just don't want to see any positives
spot on, its unfortunate someone likes to create hysteria.
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Dunn rucked more against Simo and maybe once or twice against Vickery - yep I watched the whole game.
I thought Vickery was pretty good, he stood up to a monster ruckman in Jamar, won his fair share of tap outs, had a pysical presence, mixed it in the packs- so what if he didnt get 20 plus stats - how many seasons has he played anyway.
I didnt mind how we played for three quarters today, our side was basically an under 21 side and I take my hat off the the coaches and management for sticking with the plan that its all about development and culture and not the short term fixes that some seem to think are a good idea but history has proved will only make your side mediocre at best. Get used to the pain for a year or two.
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try him in the centre - doesnt matter anyway if the rumours are right hes headed elsewhere come the end of the season.
Rumours? I love rumours - they are rarely true but they are good for a laugh ;D ;) ;)
there is a great rumour going around about footy boots, thought it wasnt true, until I seen the boots in question, interesting to say the least
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Jack,
Predicting the future again...
By all means have an opinion but to say a 19 year old ruckman wont make the grade is laughable. On what basis? He is mentally imperied not to develop his football brain? He is physically imparied that he wont develop his body his fitness and his strength to be a better ruckman? Stop. Just stop.
He's doing maybe 40% of the ruck work and has got double figure Hit Outs in both weeks. Ottens got 20 HO against Brogan today in a 80 point win doing more than 50% of the ruck.
It makes no sense to bash Vickory, just none. Makes no sense at all he's a kid. He's had 12 and 8 possessions the last 2 games, if you want to talk about his around the ground work. What more can a 19 year old ruckman do? If only he was Nick Naitinui...
Poor form Jack.
I went to the footy with 3 demons supporters who all they wanted to do was lay into Richmond. They were in stiches when ever Troy Simmonds was contesting. At one stage Troy got a cheap kick out on the wing to get a handball receive.... What on earth was he doing? Get forward of the ball to give an option for gods sake. Troy Simmonds is slop on a plate, he was done before the year started.
Lets get rid of Vickory and praise Troy.. oh ge what a great bloke for sticking around for an extra year for 6 figures... what a guy... :banghead
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Simmons tries hard, but his body doesnt let him play.
He at least got himself in good positions today, although the pace of the game kills him
That statement is so wrong. As an ex-ruckman I tend to watch the outcome and positioning of ruckplay more than most.
At boundary throw-ins Simmonds continually gave up front spot to Jamar. Jamar fought for front spot and got it on most occasions.
If you give up front spot in ruck contest you either have 1) the stronger body and are able to push your opponent under the ball or 2) the leap or height advantage to reach over for the tap.
Simmonds has neither advantage over Jamar and consequently lost a LOT of ruck contests. Even when Simmonds does get the tap he invariably hits it to the oppositions side of play.
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To state the obvious Simmonds was terrible against the DEES. Hislop was pathetic. Both should be delisted. The jury is still out on Farmer, White and Rance. Polo and King are in the gun to be delisted. White can't take a contested overhead mark and struggles to get the ball but his disposal against Melbourne was much better.
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That would be the Polo and King named in the best players for Coburg?
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Simmons tries hard, but his body doesnt let him play.
He at least got himself in good positions today, although the pace of the game kills him
That statement is so wrong. As an ex-ruckman I tend to watch the outcome and positioning of ruckplay more than most.
At boundary throw-ins Simmonds continually gave up front spot to Jamar. Jamar fought for front spot and got it on most occasions.
If you give up front spot in ruck contest you either have 1) the stronger body and are able to push your opponent under the ball or 2) the leap or height advantage to reach over for the tap.
Simmonds has neither advantage over Jamar and consequently lost a LOT of ruck contests. Even when Simmonds does get the tap he invariably hits it to the oppositions side of play.
My statement isnt wrong as I wasnt refering to actual ruck contests.
I said he got himself in good positions around the ground to take possesion, but the pace of game is killing him.
In regards to his ruck contests, I agree with you
I hope I have clarified my post and there isnt a enquiry into my post ::)