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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 29, 2010, 04:56:09 PM
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Geelong's named side is out; no Tigers yet.
Geelong
B: Darren Milburn, Tom Lonergan, Josh Hunt
HB: Corey Enright, Harry Taylor, Andrew Mackie
C: James Kelly, Cameron Ling, David Wojcinski
HF: Tom Hawkins, James Podsiadly, Paul Chapman
F: Steve Johnson, Cameron Mooney, Gary Ablett
Foll: Brad Ottens, Joel Selwood, Jimmy Bartel
I/C (from): Mark Blake, Shannon Byrnes, Simon Hogan, Ryan Gamble, Allen Christensen, Mitchell Duncan, Travis Varcoe
In: Varcoe, Gamble, Christensen, Duncan
Out: Max Rooke (knee)
New: Allen Christensen (Geelong Falcons)
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Richmond
B: Luke McGuane, Will Thursfield, Kelvin Moore
HB: Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Chris Newman
C: Shane Edwards, Daniel Jackson, Ben Cousins
HF: Ben Nason, Jack Riewoldt, Robin Nahas
F: Mitch Morton, Alex Rance, David Astbury
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Dean Polo, Nathan Foley
I/C (from): Troy Simmonds, Matt White, Jeromey Webberley, Mitch Farmer, Andrew Collins, Tom Hislop, Matthew Dea
In: Hislop, White, Morton, Jackson, Polo, Thursfield, Webberley
Out: Richard Tambling (leg), Trent Cotchin (leg), Troy Taylor (leg), Dustin Martin (soreness)
New: Jeromey Webberley (Clarence)
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Just making sure there is no chance we win and put pick 4 in jeopardy. :thumbsup
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Hello record loss :help
Geez I hope Cotch's "leg" and Martin's "soreness" are just minor and not a flare up of Cotch's achilles nor us pushing Martin too hard too early :-\.
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wow tis is going to be uuuuuuggglyyyyyyyyyy
echo your sentiments MT, hope its nothing serious re cotch & martin
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I have 3 Richmond players in my supercoach, bet you cant guess 2 of them. ;D
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Hello record loss :help
Geez I hope Cotch's "leg" and Martin's "soreness" are just minor and not a flare up of Cotch's achilles nor us pushing Martin too hard too early :-\.
Guessing (hoping) both are more precautionary .
Could imagine Martin being a bit sore as a first year player the way he goes about it.
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didnt someone say we had a stretch of winnable games R7-10..perhaps we're resting them :lol
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I would think martin definately rested , as for cotch who knows..
Hopefully rested as well but didn't want to be too obvious about it..
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eeek this may just be a mess of a game.
I was hopeful of seeing Martin go head to head with Selwood.
Not much to look forward to this weekend in Tigerland. Except for our young kids learning off the best side in the past four years, it all adds to experiance i guess.
Good luck boys, head over the ball and make them earn it.
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didnt someone say we had a stretch of winnable games R7-10..perhaps we're resting them :lol
That would be me. ;)
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:gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
and did I mention OMG
:gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
And PS: Cotchin & Martin = nothing serious ;) :thumbsup
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So, we lose our two best midfielders eh? Not to worry. Their absence will be more than adequately compensated by the sublime skills of Hislop and White :'(
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There is not enough personal lubricant in the state that will make this go any easier.... We are in for a right Royal rogering with garlic sauce. I am no dark sider but with these two out along with our other injuries...
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This is so bad its almost funny. :help
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I hear that Jake.
Tragically hilarious even.
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There is not enough personal lubricant in the state that will make this go any easier.... We are in for a right Royal rogering with garlic sauce. I am no dark sider but with these two out along with our other injuries...
LMAO ;D
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No point risking Martin or Cotchin. Share sentiments this is going to be very ugly. Good luck to the team they will need every bit of it
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I suppose it is an opportunity for some new blokes to step up and shine, who is coming in, Webberley, he gets his first game, been looking forward to seeing him have a crack. Be an interesting game, Reckon we might see Tucky back in the guts if its getting ugly.
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LOL BJ :lol
Guessing (hoping) both are more precautionary .
Could imagine Martin being a bit sore as a first year player the way he goes about it.
That's what I'm hoping too al. Just the usual general soreness for a first yearer and Dusty just being rested as a precaution :pray.
As for Cotch a "leg" can mean so many different things :-\. I guess we'll find out next week if he's back or not.
Edit: Cheers WP :pray :thumbsup
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So, we lose our two best midfielders eh? Not to worry. Their absence will be more than adequately compensated by the sublime skills of Hislop and White :'(
:rollin
Thankfully I doubt neither Sloppy or Whitey will come in. Jacko, Polo, Thursty and Morton seem the obvious ins. If we want two specific mids then Webberley may be a chance to debut alongside Jacko but Newett in EOTT said Webbs still had things to work on.
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There is not enough personal lubricant in the state that will make this go any easier.... We are in for a right Royal rogering with garlic sauce. I am no dark sider but with these two out along with our other injuries...
whats tzatziki got to do with what Geelong are going to do to us? :gotigers
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Well Rampolopolous,
there will be tzatziki on most of the ground by the end of the game and it wont be ours stuffin'!
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2007 Round 5 Cats lose and played us in rd 6. We lost by a club record score.
2010 Round 5 Cats lose and are playing us on their dung heap. No Martin and no Cotchin, the 3 year old record is in jeapordy. Only a strong breeze can save us from it. :'(
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Hell, this will be great for the Foley knockers again won't it eh!!!! All the centre work left to him and he will have the best tagger and it's only his second game back, I can hear them now.. :whistle
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Hope they give Webberly a taste.
Might as well get as many games into the kids as losing by 10 or 20 goals really doesnt matter at the end of the season.
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Hope they give Webberly a taste.
Might as well get as many games into the kids as losing by 10 or 20 goals really doesnt matter at the end of the season.
So do I, play them now I reckon, lets see what they are going to offer up next year. Get Webberly in and leave White or Hislop out.
Surley we must have the record so far for making the most changes up to round 6??
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Surley we must have the record so far for making the most changes up to round 6??
Said in the paper St Kilda used 30 players for the entire year last year, this year we've already used 33. :rollin
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Surley we must have the record so far for making the most changes up to round 6??
Said in the paper St Kilda used 30 players for the entire year last year, this year we've already used 33. :rollin
Geezus, we will kill that 10 times over by years end.
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Answer me this.
When Morton plays what could be described as a questionable game,he is dropped.
Last week Jak Reiwoldt was downright disgraceful and an embarassment to the jumper yet is named in the starting line up.
Double Standards Hardwick.?
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Answer me this.
When Morton plays what could be described as a questionable game,he is dropped.
Last week Jak Reiwoldt was downright disgraceful and an embarassment to the jumper yet is named in the starting line up.
Double Standards Hardwick.?
In case you haven't noticed we are running out of fit players and Jack has one bad game, he has worked harder off the ball this year than Morton has too. Nahas also worked harder last week than Morton has as well.
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I just get the feeling that Geelong will do just enough to win.
What motivation would Geelong have to beat a weak Richmond team by over 100+ points.
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Answer me this.
When Morton plays what could be described as a questionable game,he is dropped.
Last week Jak Reiwoldt was downright disgraceful and an embarassment to the jumper yet is named in the starting line up.
Double Standards Hardwick.?
Good call/bad call?
Good call :thumbsup
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Tigers in the wars
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
April 30, 2010
RICHMOND will confront Geelong this Sunday as the biggest outsider of the year.
Any chance the winless Tigers had of making the long drive home from Skilled Stadium as victors appeared to evaporate when they lost three key midfielders yesterday.
They're a $12 chance with TAB Sportsbet after losing Richard Tambling (hamstring), Trent Cotchin (hip) and Dustin Martin (soreness) and seem destined for a thrashing. Young forward Troy Taylor (knee) has also been ruled out.
Mitch Morton, Daniel Jackson Dean Polo and Will Thursfield are among the inclusions.
"It's always disappointing to lose quality players," Richmond football operations manager Ross Monaghan said last night.
"We'd certainly like them all to be out there, but the last thing we're going to do at this stage of our progress is risk any guys we've got a high regard for."
The Tigers have made at least five changes each of the past three weeks and have used 33 players this season.
Their Full-Strength Indicator is at 86 per cent.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-in-the-wars/story-e6frf9jf-1225860363401
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"risk any guys we've got a high regard for."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-in-the-wars/story-e6frf9jf-1225860363401
So they now will know how they're regarded if they're played too early lol :rollin
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Would be very good if it rains heavily on the day. May even things up a tiny bit. Play Webberley. Will be a good test of character.
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Answer me this.
When Morton plays what could be described as a questionable game,he is dropped.
Last week Jack Reiwoldt was downright disgraceful and an embarassment to the jumper yet is named in the starting line up.
Double Standards Hardwick.?
Probably because Morton's form had been poor all year, Riewoldt had been good up to last week. And just on last week - storm in a teacup - BT jumped on the "bad attitude" band wagon again last night on Footy Teams. He really needs to let go of his own bad attitude and try commentating with an unbiased open mind.
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Answer me this.
When Morton plays what could be described as a questionable game,he is dropped.
Last week Jack Reiwoldt was downright disgraceful and an embarassment to the jumper yet is named in the starting line up.
Double Standards Hardwick.?
Probably because Morton's form had been poor all year, Riewoldt had been good up to last week. And just on last week - storm in a teacup - BT jumped on the "bad attitude" band wagon again last night on Footy Teams. He really needs to let go of his own bad attitude and try commentating with an unbiased open mind.
Top, sensible call!!
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I just get the feeling that Geelong will do just enough to win.
What motivation would Geelong have to beat a weak Richmond team by over 100+ points.
They do have motivation for themselves though after last week's loss :-\ ...
Their forward line was woeful last week especially their tall forwards.
Their mids were badly beaten for once (Blues were too quick and more desperate. Judd killed them.)
Their defence had no answer to Carlton's quick small forwards.
Thompson bagging Ablett the past two weeks despite him still getting plenty of the ball.
Question marks in the media that maybe this is the beginning of the end for such a great side.
It would be handy for confidence leading into the upcoming games if they do go easy on us though and the margin doesn't blow out to 80+ points.
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And PS: Cotchin & Martin = nothing serious ;) :thumbsup
Not worried abt martin..
but re cotchin: Is this the same hip he had surgery on?
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And PS: Cotchin & Martin = nothing serious ;) :thumbsup
Not worried abt martin..
but re cotchin: Is this the same hip he had surgery on?
He's not out with a hip, he's out with a leg
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Answer me this.
When Morton plays what could be described as a questionable game,he is dropped.
Last week Jak Reiwoldt was downright disgraceful and an embarassment to the jumper yet is named in the starting line up.
Double Standards Hardwick.?
Good call/bad call?
Good call :thumbsup
Very Very dissapointed Jack is playing this week :banghead
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ur kidding.
There isn't that much seperating Morton and Riewoldt.
Jak has wasted shots on goal,cracked the sihts and pulled the wool over your eyes with his
ability to appear relevant.
Isn't this year about seeing who want to stand up on a weekly basis?
Jak layed down last week and is rewarded with another selection.
Morons
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And PS: Cotchin & Martin = nothing serious ;) :thumbsup
Not worried abt martin..
but re cotchin: Is this the same hip he had surgery on?
He's not out with a hip, he's out with a leg
nah its a hip
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Times like this you need to juggle the axing accordingly.
You need Jack as a tall option.
You cant drop some him unless someone is capable of filling his role. Our forward line is small enough as is. If you drop him all of a sudden Scarlett goes to Astbury.
You start to become a circus if you drop every player that has a bad week when your the 16th side in the comp.
Deledio, Riewoldt, Foley, Newman, Cousins, Moore, Cotchin, Martin all will have down games this year. If we drop them at the first sighting of poor form all of a sudden we are a Ferris wheel.
We dropped Morton a small forward for Nahas.
Its not double standards its team make up.
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Waht's the difference PL?
We get smashed regardless.
So why,then do we make allowances for special cases.
Jak gets treated as though he is already the new Richo but he aint "jak" :wallywink,let alone 'Cho.
He/We would be better served with a week or 3 at the magoos.
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it's not as though his inclusion plays a pivotal role in victory.
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ur kidding.
There isn't that much seperating Morton and Riewoldt.
Jak has wasted shots on goal,cracked the poos and pulled the wool over your eyes with his
ability to appear relevant.
Isn't this year about seeing who want to stand up on a weekly basis?
Jak layed down last week and is rewarded with another selection.
Morons
Not referring to mwah? I was serious! I am really pizzed he didn't get dropped for that nonchalant effort.
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Well in that case........"No,Not @ u' :lol
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Final 22:
RICHMOND
B: Luke McGuane, Will Thursfield, Kelvin Moore
HB: Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Chris Newman
C: Shane Edwards, Daniel Jackson, Ben Cousins
HF: Ben Nason, Jack Riewoldt, Robin Nahas
F: Mitch Morton, Alex Rance, David Astbury
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Dean Polo, Nathan Foley
Int: Troy Simmonds, Mitch Farmer, Andrew Collins, Matthew Dea
Emg: Matt White, Jeromey Webberley, Tom Hislop
In: Daniel Jackson, Dean Polo, Mitch Morton, Will Thursfield
Out: Trent Cotchin (leg), Troy Taylor (leg), Richard Tambling (leg), Dustin Martin (general soreness)
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and Geelong
B: Darren Milburn, Tom Lonergan, Josh Hunt
HB: Andrew Mackie, Harry Taylor, Corey Enright
C: James Kelly, Cameron Ling, David Wojcinski
HF: Tom Hawkins, James Podsiadly, Paul Chapman
F: Travis Varcoe, Cameron Mooney, Steve Johnson
Foll: Brad Ottens, Joel Selwood, Jimmy Bartel
I/C: Mark Blake, Shannon Byrnes, Simon Hogan, Mitchell Duncan
Emg: Ryan Gamble, Allen Christensen, Nathan Djerrkura
In: Varcoe, Duncan
Out: Max Rooke (knee), Gary Ablett (hamstring tightness)
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Kinda pleased to see that Dea hasn't got the chop yet. Wouldn't be surprised if Dimma plays the kids for three games minimum. If they make any sort of impact in those three games, they get another. If they fail to deliver anything, then after three they go back.
Be interesting to see what happens at the selection table next week. I reckon we might be due for a debutant.
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No real surprises with the ins. Thankfully Hislop and White didn't come in.
I'd reckon you're right Muscles. Looks like Dimma is going to give the newbies a fair crack at it at AFL level before judging them.
I'm happy with the 3 talls up forward even if they're inexperienced. It's a better structure up forward to encourage long kicking at Kardinia Park rather than being forced to work our way chipping around the boundary.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Alex Rance confidently approach an overhead mark. He doesn't have to take one, just so that he competes for some.
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As long as we play positive footy and don't stop trying I'll be happy. It was only against effectively a Geelong 2nds but our youngsters should have gained a bit of confidence from the preseason win at Yea.
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I think Matty Dea is alright, people need to remember that he is playing in a defence where the ball is constantly being pumped in there.
He is a good athlete and a bit of a hard nut, give the kid a chance and i think he will be a beauty.
People are expecting too much from our team in my opinion, we are Rebuilding not on the verge of a Premiership.
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mortons been warned several times in games about team rules, didn't adhere and suffered accordingly. Jack had a shocker and was petulant but hasnt been a repeat offender if he does it again I'm sure he'll get time at coburg.
I like the way hardwick is playing the youngsters. What most lowly clubs have been doing is giving youngsters blocks of 3-5 games regardless of form, then giving them stuff on what they need to work on, then sending them back to the reserves to work on those deficiencies. Once they've shown they have rectified them they are given another block of games and at the end of that block again, if warranted, they are dropped and told what deficiencies to work on again and so the development goes(some players take longer than others). Obviously some players are born ready and guns from day 1, but by and large most"rebuilding" clubs follow this philosophy see eagles, melbourne, freo carlton and the club which took fast tracking development to a new level of professionalism and accountability - hawthorn
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That sounds too reasonable approach Tony, can't we do the Jackster approach where we tar and feather our new draftess as soon as they make a few mistakes.
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I like the way hardwick is playing the youngsters. What most lowly clubs have been doing is giving youngsters blocks of 3-5 games regardless of form, then giving them stuff on what they need to work on, then sending them back to the reserves to work on those deficiencies. Once they've shown they have rectified them they are given another block of games and at the end of that block again, if warranted, they are dropped and told what deficiencies to work on again and so the development goes(some players take longer than others). Obviously some players are born ready and guns from day 1, but by and large most"rebuilding" clubs follow this philosophy see eagles, melbourne, freo carlton and the club which took fast tracking development to a new level of professionalism and accountability - hawthorn
Good post tm. The break between blocks also gives young bodies a "rest" from the intensity and rigours of AFL level so they aren't worked into the ground too soon before their body can cope.
If Cotch and Martin have nothing too serious then they'll probably be back next week. So everyone this week knows they need to show something otherwise they'll be out.
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Answer me this.
When Morton plays what could be described as a questionable game,he is dropped.
Last week Jak Reiwoldt was downright disgraceful and an embarassment to the jumper yet is named in the starting line up.
Double Standards Hardwick.?
Good call/bad call?
Good call :thumbsup
More like Bad call.
Morton was awful against Sydney AND Melbourne before being dropped while Jack was a shining light against Melbourne but was awful last week. If he is awful again I'd expect him to come under the pump but you have to consider more than one week when considering these things, especially with young KPPs. They can't be up all the time.
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Would be very good if it rains heavily on the day. May even things up a tiny bit.
LMFAO - We need an act of god just to even things up a tiny bit
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Would be very good if it rains heavily on the day. May even things up a tiny bit.
LMFAO - We need an act of god just to even things up a tiny bit
whats grenville dietrich doing these days if we can get him on the list and onto the field, we could stick him at full forward, the oval will tilt towards ou attacking end, and geelong will run out of steam from kicking up hill. and we will win.
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Was perfect to drop Riewoldt this week, club talk weakest option
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Was perfect to drop Riewoldt this week, club talk weakest option
Dropping Jack this week is a good option. We have too many out already and no matter how you look at it he is still in our best 22! We forget how hard it has been this year for him all too readily!
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Was perfect to drop Riewoldt this week, club talk weakest option
Ridiculous.
Yes he had an off week but arguably he's been our best player so far this year before last weekend.
Still hopefully he got a rocket and lifts tomorrow.
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Was perfect to drop Riewoldt this week, club talk weakest option
Ridiculous.
Yes he had an off week but arguably he's been our best player so far this year before last weekend.
Still hopefully he got a rocket and lifts tomorrow.
Absolutely right MM. Calls for his head after 1 poor game are incredible to say the least.
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I think Matty Dea is alright, people need to remember that he is playing in a defence where the ball is constantly being pumped in there.
He is a good athlete and a bit of a hard nut, give the kid a chance and i think he will be a beauty.
People are expecting too much from our team in my opinion, we are Rebuilding not on the verge of a Premiership.
Agree with your comments in principle about Dea TFL. And certainly agree with you regarding "re-building"although the mantra says we are suppose to use the term "transformation" ;) ;D
However, I am just concerned we are going to destroy the kids confidence before he really gets going. And I don't want that to heppen either. He just seems a bit lost out there at the minute
Also, I reckon Webberley deserved a chance but obviously that will come over the next few weeks
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divine intervention. at least ablett is out
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i was told today Corey is out - hope this is true
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Was perfect to drop Riewoldt this week, club talk weakest option
Dropping Jack this week is a good option. We have too many out already and no matter how you look at it he is still in our best 22! We forget how hard it has been this year for him all too readily!
sorry meant to read" dropping jack this week is NOT a good option"
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AFL live stats has Webberley and White in our 22 on the bench with Collins and Dea out ???
http://xml.afl.com.au/swf/live_stats.htm?gameID=10280606
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Never listen to that thing.
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Scared selection decision IMHO not including Webberly, should be in the side, best time to blood another young player. The side has been selected on experience and the players that are experienced coming back in are not that good (please prove me wrong). Would have been better going with youth if we are apparently moving forward!!!
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Yeh plus its getting boring bagging Dea we need fresh meat to bag and slag
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Hardwick just admitted that Cotch & Martin outs are "planned rests" and we could have played them, but better for long term to not. They will be back in next week. Tambling maybe a couple of weeks away.
http://yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=316333&postcount=104
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Yeh plus its getting boring bagging Dea we need fresh meat to bag and slag
:lol :clapping :thumbsup
Agree, slagging out an 18 year old who has played 2 games is clearly not enough, should have brought in another to keep the ferals mouths frothing.