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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 04, 2010, 02:45:52 AM
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Demetriou worries about Tigers
CAROLINE WILSON
May 4, 2010
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou has no issue with St Kilda's much-maligned game style but admits to harbouring grave concerns for lowly Richmond and its failure to play competitive football.
Demetriou said the Tigers' past mistakes had left the club in a dismal position with no prospect of top-three draft picks until the end of 2012, and added that he had a lot of sympathy for coach Damien Hardwick.
However, there seems little hope of AFL intervention over the next two years, with Demetriou firm in his belief that to grant the club discretionary priority picks ''sets a very poor precedent for teams who've made mistakes in the past.
Advertisement: Story continues below''That would be up to the commission, but I have to say it's unlikely to happen and I must add that Richmond haven't asked for any favours,'' he said.
''They are going to have to be very aggressive and very innovative in their trading and drafting over the next two years. They are going to have to look to second-tier competitions like the VFL. They can build but it's going to take time. I must admit it's not going to be easy.''
Richmond is bottom after six rounds with an average losing margin of 64.1 points. Fitzroy, in its final season, averaged losses of 65 points at the same time.
The Tigers suffered their worst loss of the season last Sunday when they were beaten by 108 points by reigning premier Geelong. Even the determined and super-positive Hardwick took little out of the humiliation.
''You couldn't point the finger at Damien Hardwick,'' said Demetriou. ''When you look at what he's dealing with in terms of what he's inherited, well … you just have to wonder.
''There's nobody involved in football who cares about football who is watching Richmond who is taking any pleasure from this. There is nobody who doesn't want to see them win a game.''
Richmond won too many games last season to gain a priority pick this year and the best it could hope for at the end of 2011 would be picks No. 4 and No. 6.
While the AFL will not guarantee a repeat next season of the opening game of the year that Richmond and Carlton have played for the past three years, Demetriou said the Tigers' lack of competitiveness would not be harshly punished in 2011's draw.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-excuses-saints-but-worries-about-tigers-20100503-u3s8.html
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Nothing article.
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So we will get a priority pick this year before the second round?
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So we will get a priority pick this year before the second round?
Yes, but it will only be picks 4 & 6 as GWS gets the same picks as GC17 does this year
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"Richmond won too many games last season to gain a priority pick this year and the best it could hope for at the end of 2011 would be picks No. 4 and No. 6."
Gee Demetriou and you really believe that tanking doesn't happen!!
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So we will get a priority pick this year before the second round?
that Melbourne victory last year really screwed us over. What a garbage win that was. Morale boosting win my arse
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So we will get a priority pick this year before the second round?
Yes, but it will only be picks 4 & 6 as GWS gets the same picks as GC17 does this year
But this year we'll get pick 26 and 28?
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It would be good if the commission issues us with an extra early pick, but that isnt the problem- we need 3 or 4 quality players at around the 22 to 25 year old age bracket to get us moving, preferably with abit of leadership ability. The only way we can get them is via free agency. Until that time we must wait, in the meantime we should stick to the draft and keep getting kids, and if the AFL feels sorry for us and gives us an extra pick then that should be considered a bonus?
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So we will get a priority pick this year before the second round?
that Melbourne victory last year really screwed us over. What a garbage win that was. Morale boosting win my behind
The win over Melbourne handed them Pick 1 & 2, we had already lost our PP with the 5 point win over Essendon
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So we will get a priority pick this year before the second round?
that Melbourne victory last year really screwed us over. What a garbage win that was. Morale boosting win my behind
The win over Melbourne handed them Pick 1 & 2, we had already lost our PP with the 5 point win over Essendon
Correct.
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It would be good if the commission issues us with an extra early pick, but that isnt the problem- we need 3 or 4 quality players at around the 22 to 25 year old age bracket to get us moving, preferably with abit of leadership ability. The only way we can get them is via free agency. Until that time we must wait, in the meantime we should stick to the draft and keep getting kids, and if the AFL feels sorry for us and gives us an extra pick then that should be considered a bonus?
Free Agency? But the club is still in debt is it not? Free agency doesn't help if you have no money to buy players!
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It would be good if the commission issues us with an extra early pick, but that isnt the problem- we need 3 or 4 quality players at around the 22 to 25 year old age bracket to get us moving, preferably with abit of leadership ability. The only way we can get them is via free agency. Until that time we must wait, in the meantime we should stick to the draft and keep getting kids, and if the AFL feels sorry for us and gives us an extra pick then that should be considered a bonus?
Free Agency? But the club is still in debt is it not? Free agency doesn't help if you have no money to buy players!
I put up a list of about 10 blokes who should be cut at the end of the year. I estimated the cost of salaries to this group of 10 to be atleast $1.5 million. If the club puts on 10 youngsters and pays the minimum It will save about $1 million in wages. This money should be put away for when free agency comes in. From what we know the club is trading profitably still anyway.
So what we need is
- dispensation from the AFL to pay less than 92.5%
- put the money away for when free agency comes in then go hell for leather to try and get the 3 or 4 players Im talking about.
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It would be good if the commission issues us with an extra early pick, but that isnt the problem- we need 3 or 4 quality players at around the 22 to 25 year old age bracket to get us moving, preferably with abit of leadership ability. The only way we can get them is via free agency. Until that time we must wait, in the meantime we should stick to the draft and keep getting kids, and if the AFL feels sorry for us and gives us an extra pick then that should be considered a bonus?
Free Agency? But the club is still in debt is it not? Free agency doesn't help if you have no money to buy players!
You still have to pay 92.5% of the TPP, the difference between 92.5% and 100% is only about $650k
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It would be good if the commission issues us with an extra early pick, but that isnt the problem- we need 3 or 4 quality players at around the 22 to 25 year old age bracket to get us moving, preferably with abit of leadership ability. The only way we can get them is via free agency. Until that time we must wait, in the meantime we should stick to the draft and keep getting kids, and if the AFL feels sorry for us and gives us an extra pick then that should be considered a bonus?
Free Agency? But the club is still in debt is it not? Free agency doesn't help if you have no money to buy players!
You still have to pay 92.5% of the TPP, the difference between 92.5% and 100% is only about $650k
in my previous post I said the club should ask for dispensation from the 92.5 rule - we probably only need dispensation for 2 years. The AFL may agree!
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It would be good if the commission issues us with an extra early pick, but that isnt the problem- we need 3 or 4 quality players at around the 22 to 25 year old age bracket to get us moving, preferably with abit of leadership ability. The only way we can get them is via free agency. Until that time we must wait, in the meantime we should stick to the draft and keep getting kids, and if the AFL feels sorry for us and gives us an extra pick then that should be considered a bonus?
Free Agency? But the club is still in debt is it not? Free agency doesn't help if you have no money to buy players!
You still have to pay 92.5% of the TPP, the difference between 92.5% and 100% is only about $650k
in my previous post I said the club should ask for dispensation from the 92.5 rule - we probably only need dispensation for 2 years. The AFL may agree!
Doubt it
Melbourne have the same problem and are using the opportunity to front load contracts, I'm sure we are doing the same
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Demetriou worries about Tigers
CAROLINE WILSON
May 4, 2010
While the AFL will not guarantee a repeat next season of the opening game of the year that Richmond and Carlton have played for the past three years, Demetriou said the Tigers' lack of competitiveness would not be harshly punished in 2011's draw.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-excuses-saints-but-worries-about-tigers-20100503-u3s8.html
So were not playing the opening game any more? if so.. sooo unfair :-\ :-\
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Demetriou worries about Tigers
CAROLINE WILSON
May 4, 2010
While the AFL will not guarantee a repeat next season of the opening game of the year that Richmond and Carlton have played for the past three years, Demetriou said the Tigers' lack of competitiveness would not be harshly punished in 2011's draw.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-excuses-saints-but-worries-about-tigers-20100503-u3s8.html
He hasn't said anything yet, just that it's not guaranteed.
So were not playing the opening game any more? if so.. sooo unfair :-\ :-\
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Caro was on 3aw tonight before 7pm with Healy and Russell....
* Caro spoke to Demetriou yesterday. Andy D said Richmond hasn't approached the AFL about help and he believed it would set a bad precendent anyway.
* Caro asked what would Richmond have to do if it did want to help from the AFL?
- The Tigers would have to show they are using innovation in their recruiting. Nason from the SANFL for example.
- They would have to show they have a proper recruitment structure in place at the Club. No point giving them extra picks if they just waste them again.
- They would have to win less than 5 games in each of the next two years.
* Scotty Clayton was never going to Richmond despite it being claimed in the media at the time.
* Richmond is the only club never to receive a first pick despite finishing last. Carlton got that pick after finishing last the previous year and then less than 5 wins the following year.
* A caller rang saying he was sick of Caro continually bashing the Club. She said she did have a go at past admins, coaches last night on Footy Classified but she is trying to help us receive help.
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DIdn't we receive pick 1 in 2004 and picked up Deledio with that. :shh
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So were not playing the opening game any more? if so.. sooo unfair :-\ :-\
Fair or not reality is this
If I was one of the the TV networks who as a combined group are pouring $780 million into the game via the current TV rights deal I would want a game that is close to launch the season. Sadly the RFC performances of the past 2 season openers hasn't given that. Coupled with our current dismal form doesnt make us a very attractvie proposition at all
I would love for the club to keep it but at the moment, where we are at means I honestly don't think we deserve it. We need to win some games and at least be competitive in our losses to make us appear to be attractive to TV. And TV will determine (rightly or wrongly) if we keep this game
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So were not playing the opening game any more? if so.. sooo unfair :-\ :-\
Fair or not reality is this
If I was one of the the TV networks who as a combined group are pouring $780 million into the game via the current TV rights deal I would want a game that is close to launch the season. Sadly the RFC performances of the past 2 season openers hasn't given that. Coupled with our current dismal form doesnt make us a very attractvie proposition at all
I would love for the club to keep it but at the moment, where we are at means I honestly don't think we deserve it. We need to win some games and at least be competitive in our losses to make us appear to be attractive to TV. And TV will determine (rightly or wrongly) if we keep this game
But we Draw the crowds?
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But we Draw the crowds?
Yeah we do. So do other teams
But if they scheduled C'Wood -v- Carlton, St Kilda -v- C'wood, Essendon -v- Carlton or Essendon -v- St Kilda it would a draw a crowd too.
The AFL can get the crowd. But TV wants a "decent" game. What we've dished up the last 2 seasons has hurt us big time. What we dished up on Sunday has done us no favours either.
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Crowds are great but when you are spending over a billion dollars you'll have demands and if those demands suggest no Tigers b/c we are not competitive and therefore will result in a decline in viewere decline in tv advertising for that timeslot then the AFL will then step in and adjust the draw to ensure they will make money in the longrun whilst the tv network gets its renumeration by having the most available adds on at that time because the tv audience will be sufficient enough.
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But we Draw the crowds?
Yeah we do. So do other teams
But if they scheduled C'Wood -v- Carlton, St Kilda -v- C'wood, Essendon -v- Carlton or Essendon -v- St Kilda it would a draw a crowd too.
The AFL can get the crowd. But TV wants a "decent" game. What we've dished up the last 2 seasons has hurt us big time. What we dished up on Sunday has done us no favours either.
Damm i thought we developed a modern tradition one we can call our own but nope .... what about ANZAC day bommers got flogged and probably will again next year dose that meen they will change the day ??? NOPE !
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Bombers have pennies in the bank thanks to Sheeds promotion and their efforts in the last 30 years.
Unfortunantely what do we have to hang our hat on since 1982?
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Caro was on 3aw tonight before 7pm with Healy and Russell....
* * Richmond is the only club never to receive a first pick despite finishing last. Carlton got that pick after finishing last the previous year and then less than 5 wins the following year.
This is what I have been trying to say regardless of our past yet again we are the first club to not recieve the priority early picks and the No.1 pick. Wern't we also the first club to not of recieved pick 1 when they changed the rules a few years ago about winning less than 5 games in two years??? Didn't we actually finish last but only recieved pick 2 because the team above us (was it the Blues) had finished with winning less than 5 games in two years?? That was the first time that rule was introduced and we copped the bad end of that deal.
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Caro was on 3aw tonight before 7pm with Healy and Russell....
* * Richmond is the only club never to receive a first pick despite finishing last. Carlton got that pick after finishing last the previous year and then less than 5 wins the following year.
This is what I have been trying to say regardless of our past yet again we are the first club to not recieve the priority early picks and the No.1 pick. Wern't we also the first club to not of recieved pick 1 when they changed the rules a few years ago about winning less than 5 games in two years??? Didn't we actually finish last but only recieved pick 2 because the team above us (was it the Blues) had finished with winning less than 5 games in two years?? That was the first time that rule was introduced and we copped the bad end of that deal.
hang on
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2004&t=N&s=P
We got Deledio first pick in 2004 a Priority Pick
2007 we got shafted by carltons tanking.
We should try and keep losing, do it properly this time like hawthorn and st kilda did, collingwood have done it too but only the one year 2002 if i remember correctly. With a draft you need to make sure you lose and lose big for at least two years maybe 3.
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Caro was on 3aw tonight before 7pm with Healy and Russell....
* * Richmond is the only club never to receive a first pick despite finishing last. Carlton got that pick after finishing last the previous year and then less than 5 wins the following year.
This is what I have been trying to say regardless of our past yet again we are the first club to not recieve the priority early picks and the No.1 pick. Wern't we also the first club to not of recieved pick 1 when they changed the rules a few years ago about winning less than 5 games in two years??? Didn't we actually finish last but only recieved pick 2 because the team above us (was it the Blues) had finished with winning less than 5 games in two years?? That was the first time that rule was introduced and we copped the bad end of that deal.
hang on
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2004&t=N&s=P
We got Deledio first pick in 2004 a Priority Pick
2007 we got shafted by carltons tanking.
We should try and keep losing, do it properly this time like hawthorn and st kilda did, collingwood have done it too but only the one year 2002 if i remember correctly. With a draft you need to make sure you lose and lose big for at least two years maybe 3.
So it was Carlton, we finished bottom and they finished 15th but they still got the no.1 pick.
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Caro was on 3aw tonight before 7pm with Healy and Russell....
* * Richmond is the only club never to receive a first pick despite finishing last. Carlton got that pick after finishing last the previous year and then less than 5 wins the following year.
This is what I have been trying to say regardless of our past yet again we are the first club to not recieve the priority early picks and the No.1 pick. Wern't we also the first club to not of recieved pick 1 when they changed the rules a few years ago about winning less than 5 games in two years??? Didn't we actually finish last but only recieved pick 2 because the team above us (was it the Blues) had finished with winning less than 5 games in two years?? That was the first time that rule was introduced and we copped the bad end of that deal.
We should try and keep losing, do it properly this time like hawthorn and st kilda did, collingwood have done it too but only the one year 2002 if i remember correctly. With a draft you need to make sure you lose and lose big for at least two years maybe 3.
Dude, I have a finite lifespan...
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Caro was on 3aw tonight before 7pm with Healy and Russell....
* * Richmond is the only club never to receive a first pick despite finishing last. Carlton got that pick after finishing last the previous year and then less than 5 wins the following year.
This is what I have been trying to say regardless of our past yet again we are the first club to not recieve the priority early picks and the No.1 pick. Wern't we also the first club to not of recieved pick 1 when they changed the rules a few years ago about winning less than 5 games in two years??? Didn't we actually finish last but only recieved pick 2 because the team above us (was it the Blues) had finished with winning less than 5 games in two years?? That was the first time that rule was introduced and we copped the bad end of that deal.
hang on
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2004&t=N&s=P
We got Deledio first pick in 2004 a Priority Pick
2007 we got shafted by carltons tanking.
We should try and keep losing, do it properly this time like hawthorn and st kilda did, collingwood have done it too but only the one year 2002 if i remember correctly. With a draft you need to make sure you lose and lose big for at least two years maybe 3.
So it was Carlton, we finished bottom and they finished 15th but they still got the no.1 pick.
correct!!!
pretty sure it come down to the "KRUZER CUP" in famous round 22 game. where they severely tanked. Fev on the bench in the last IIRC
Whilst we have Cotch at this point in time, Kruzer is streets ahead of him at this point in their careers.
Kruzer will be one of the best ruckman of all time IMO. He is a gem
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Caro was on 3aw tonight before 7pm with Healy and Russell....
* * Richmond is the only club never to receive a first pick despite finishing last. Carlton got that pick after finishing last the previous year and then less than 5 wins the following year.
This is what I have been trying to say regardless of our past yet again we are the first club to not recieve the priority early picks and the No.1 pick. Wern't we also the first club to not of recieved pick 1 when they changed the rules a few years ago about winning less than 5 games in two years??? Didn't we actually finish last but only recieved pick 2 because the team above us (was it the Blues) had finished with winning less than 5 games in two years?? That was the first time that rule was introduced and we copped the bad end of that deal.
hang on
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2004&t=N&s=P
We got Deledio first pick in 2004 a Priority Pick
2007 we got shafted by carltons tanking.
We should try and keep losing, do it properly this time like hawthorn and st kilda did, collingwood have done it too but only the one year 2002 if i remember correctly. With a draft you need to make sure you lose and lose big for at least two years maybe 3.
So it was Carlton, we finished bottom and they finished 15th but they still got the no.1 pick.
correct!!!
pretty sure it come down to the "KRUZER CUP" in famous round 22 game. where they severely tanked. Fev on the bench in the last IIRC
Whilst we have Cotch at this point in time, Kruzer is streets ahead of him at this point in their careers.
Kruzer will be one of the best ruckman of all time IMO. He is a gem
that was the most ridiculous game i have ever seen :lol, travis johnstone was allowed to play loose man and racked up about 30 toches to halftime, both teams were allowing the opposing sides most damaging players free reign. Melbourne did everything they could to lose that one too bc that took them above PP territory hence they've made sure to tank 08 & 09 to make up for it. Exactly whats happened to us last season so we better make it count this & next season. If we bugger this up i swear i'll give it away, there's only so much ineptness I can take