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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tony_montana on May 04, 2010, 08:58:34 PM
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After reading vlads comments in the age today I am feeling a whole lot better about our future and ability to rebuild. There has been some conjecture about whether the PP had/has been scrapped, its now confirmed that they are still available, so this year we get pick 4 and a PP at the end of the first round, and if we win 4 games or less next season we will get picks 4 & 6. I don't know about you guys but for mine there is little or no difference between picks 1&2 or 4&6. If we can manage to trade in another top 20 pick we would have done very well.
Keep the chequebook tight for another 2 seasons and when free agency is introduced poach a couple of good players and we are back in the game.
Heads up tiger supporters, itsnot all doom and gloom, at least we will rort the system the way it was designed to be and be rewarded :rollin
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
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right now no just like no-one would have wanted a bar of melbourne 3 years ago and carlton 5 years ago. but add kruezer/murphy/gibbs or scully/trengrove/watts and all of a sudden the perception is "this team is on the rise with some serious a-grade talent". You add 3 top 10 picks & 6 top 25 picks to our list of Lids/cotch/martin and you will generate a buzz i guarantee you.
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
mate that's a silly comment , players are generally more likely to move for security and $$$ when they are on the other side of 25, if the team is a genuine contender that it's a bonus rather than a pre req. we will be in the fortunate position of having in the order of 700k space in our cap, meaning we can leverage that to our unique advantage...this is pro sport, $$$$$ speaks all langauges
and I agree TM, 4,6...compared to 1-2, pfftttt...still very good
this year would have delivered Cunnington, moritabo,or rohan
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
Who wouldn't want to come to our club? At the end of the year we'll clean out almost the every remaining list clogger and pick up some very good players in the draft. Elevate some rookies too. Potentially the biggest club in the league once we get up and going again. Best colours, bets song. Plenty of young talent going into 2011. What other club you you want to go to? 8)
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
mate that's a silly comment , players are generally more likely to move for security and $$$ when they are on the other side of 25, if the team is a genuine contender that it's a bonus rather than a pre req. we will be in the fortunate position of having in the order of 700k space in our cap, meaning we can leverage that to our unique advantage...this is pro sport, $$$$$ speaks all langauges
and I agree TM, 4,6...compared to 1-2, pfftttt...still very good
this year would have delivered Cunnington, moritabo,or rohan
given our reluctance in the past to part with money e.g not having a f/t weights coach till this year what makes you so sure we will throw money out to get players.
we should thrownall our energy, resources and money into the VFL and local footy to find our Barlow or Pods but i guess when you have Craig Cameron in charge we are already 5 steps behind the rest
That guy has been a disaster for our footy club no wonder Melbourne got rid of him
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I agree with you tony that it is not all doom and gloom as long as we recruit astutely and develop players successfully. We have more recruiters now who 'seem' to have done a good job with the current batch of young players but it is all about developing these players are building the culture. With pick 4 and an additional pick in the second round we are still need to trade for picks and choose well. We can not afford to miss another draft nor not put the money and time into development.
Picks 4 and 6 are just as valuable as picks 1 and 2 in other years in terms of comparison to existing clubs but not to GC or GWS. In fact in some ways pick 4 is better than pick 1 in other years comparing to what teams will receive who finish higher in the ladder. Pick 4 is a quality pick while a pick in the mid 20's are terrible. Most clubs will look to existing players where I feel we still need to look to the draft.
It's certainly not doom and gloom if we draft and develop well but otherwise we better get used to the wooden spoon because we will be collecting a lot of them over the next 10 years. Lets :pray we get it right this time!
Stripes
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so if we win less then four matches this year, don't we get "3" top thirty picks?
No.4, No.26 (PP) and No.28? (add No.44 too)
if that is the case, then ... i can believe i am going to say this, before round 7 but ...
i will be happy if we win four matches, clean another ten or more players and have those four picks!
however winning four matches would be fantastic for Richmond at the moment!
:-[
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
mate that's a silly comment , players are generally more likely to move for security and $$$ when they are on the other side of 25, if the team is a genuine contender that it's a bonus rather than a pre req. we will be in the fortunate position of having in the order of 700k space in our cap, meaning we can leverage that to our unique advantage...this is pro sport, $$$$$ speaks all langauges
and I agree TM, 4,6...compared to 1-2, pfftttt...still very good
this year would have delivered Cunnington, moritabo,or rohan
given our reluctance in the past to part with money e.g not having a f/t weights coach till this year what makes you so sure we will throw money out to get players.
we should thrownall our energy, resources and money into the VFL and local footy to find our Barlow or Pods but i guess when you have Craig Cameron in charge we are already 5 steps behind the rest
That guy has been a disaster for our footy club no wonder Melbourne got rid of him
Cameron has been ordinary it must be said I agree there but money needs to also be utilized on the footy department as well and if that means giving Cameron the stuff so be it.
By then the redevelopment facilities will be done and we'll have the best facilities in the league as well as the cash and resources and you'll also find that the pigs in the media who are pillaging us like Genghis Khan will also jump on board. Nothing sells papers like a imploding Richmond or an exploding on field Richmond. Publicity will have alot to say about this too.
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by the way, if Jordan McMahon would of missed and North Melbourne had of won that free kick to Hale and Richmond have four wins, would we get No.1 if we won less then four matches this year?
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We would have gotten 4 and 6, torch.
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by the way, if Jordan McMahon would of missed and North Melbourne had of won that free kick to Hale and Richmond have four wins, would we get No.1 if we won less then four matches this year?
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NOPE
Pick 1 is GC17's
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Yep it's very good news if PPs are still available but questions need to be asked of Craig Cameron and the match committee last year as to why they stupidly allowed us to win more than 4 games last year. They should have demanded Rawlings to do what was in the list's long-term interests rather than allow Jade to chase wins in an attempt to win the full-time coaching job. One lousy win in a joke of a game and a meaningless draw has cost us pick 6 this year and a pick around 18-20 last year. Just dumb, dumb and dumb. Recruiting Thomson and Hislop was another brilliant waste of picks ::).
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Yep it's very good news if PPs are still available but questions need to be asked of Craig Cameron and the match committee last year as to why they stupidly allowed us to win more than 4 games last year. They should have demanded Rawlings to do what was in the list's long-term interests rather than allow Jade to chase wins in an attempt to win the full-time coaching job. One lousy win in a joke of a game and a meaningless draw has cost us pick 6 this year and a pick around 18-20 last year. Just dumb, dumb and dumb. Recruiting Thomson and Hislop was another brilliant waste of picks ::).
Hmmmm :shh :shh ;) ;)
:eyebrow :eyebrow
:rollin
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We need a Natanui,a Johnathon Brown and man sized backline.
Can we get those in two years?
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Yep it's very good news if PPs are still available but questions need to be asked of Craig Cameron and the match committee last year as to why they stupidly allowed us to win more than 4 games last year. They should have demanded Rawlings to do what was in the list's long-term interests rather than allow Jade to chase wins in an attempt to win the full-time coaching job. One lousy win in a joke of a game and a meaningless draw has cost us pick 6 this year and a pick around 18-20 last year. Just dumb, dumb and dumb. Recruiting Thomson and Hislop was another brilliant waste of picks ::).
we cant do half jobs anymore. If we are to do it properly then everyone should be on notice to perform and quite frankly CC is part of an era we dont want at this club anymore. He was there with Miller, and has been F/T for a few years and has brought garbage into this club.
He clearly is not up to the task at hand and i Hope Dimma sees this and dumps him come seasons end.
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Yep Cameron has really struggled. Need a Blame, Geoff Walsh type of character. Someone who commands respect when he talks.
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Yep it's very good news if PPs are still available but questions need to be asked of Craig Cameron and the match committee last year as to why they stupidly allowed us to win more than 4 games last year. They should have demanded Rawlings to do what was in the list's long-term interests rather than allow Jade to chase wins in an attempt to win the full-time coaching job. One lousy win in a joke of a game and a meaningless draw has cost us pick 6 this year and a pick around 18-20 last year. Just dumb, dumb and dumb. Recruiting Thomson and Hislop was another brilliant waste of picks ::).
we cant do half jobs anymore. If we are to do it properly then everyone should be on notice to perform and quite frankly CC is part of an era we dont want at this club anymore. He was there with Miller, and has been F/T for a few years and has brought garbage into this club.
He clearly is not up to the task at hand and i Hope Dimma sees this and dumps him come seasons end.
Cameron replaced Miller as head of the footy dept. So he wasn't at the club at the same time as Miller. He was at Melbourne with their list in a total mess. Francis Jackson was the one there working under Miller. Cameron was there though for Wallace's last 9 months or so and the whole of Rawlings' caretaker period. In fact Cameron was in the coaches' box with Jade and was standing next to him with stern faces as Jordie had that shot for goal :P.
stand corrected. :thumbsup
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Yep it's very good news if PPs are still available but questions need to be asked of Craig Cameron and the match committee last year as to why they stupidly allowed us to win more than 4 games last year. They should have demanded Rawlings to do what was in the list's long-term interests rather than allow Jade to chase wins in an attempt to win the full-time coaching job. One lousy win in a joke of a game and a meaningless draw has cost us pick 6 this year and a pick around 18-20 last year. Just dumb, dumb and dumb. Recruiting Thomson and Hislop was another brilliant waste of picks ::).
we cant do half jobs anymore. If we are to do it properly then everyone should be on notice to perform and quite frankly CC is part of an era we dont want at this club anymore. He was there with Miller, and has been F/T for a few years and has brought garbage into this club.
He clearly is not up to the task at hand and i Hope Dimma sees this and dumps him come seasons end.
Cameron replaced Miller as head of the footy dept. So he wasn't at the club at the same time as Miller. He was at Melbourne with their list in a total mess. Francis Jackson was the one there working under Miller. Cameron was there though for Wallace's last 9 months or so and the whole of Rawlings' caretaker period. In fact Cameron was in the coaches' box with Jade and was standing next to him with stern faces as Jordie had that shot for goal :P.
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Yep it's very good news if PPs are still available but questions need to be asked of Craig Cameron and the match committee last year as to why they stupidly allowed us to win more than 4 games last year. They should have demanded Rawlings to do what was in the list's long-term interests rather than allow Jade to chase wins in an attempt to win the full-time coaching job. One lousy win in a joke of a game and a meaningless draw has cost us pick 6 this year and a pick around 18-20 last year. Just dumb, dumb and dumb. Recruiting Thomson and Hislop was another brilliant waste of picks ::).
we cant do half jobs anymore. If we are to do it properly then everyone should be on notice to perform and quite frankly CC is part of an era we dont want at this club anymore. He was there with Miller, and has been F/T for a few years and has brought garbage into this club.
He clearly is not up to the task at hand and i Hope Dimma sees this and dumps him come seasons end.
Cameron replaced Miller as head of the footy dept. So he wasn't at the club at the same time as Miller. He was at Melbourne with their list in a total mess. Francis Jackson was the one there working under Miller. Cameron was there though for Wallace's last 9 months or so and the whole of Rawlings' caretaker period. In fact Cameron was in the coaches' box with Jade and was standing next to him with stern faces as Jordie had that shot for goal :P.
Stern faces in the coaches box don't get you priority picks, strategic planning does. Has been at clubs when their list is in decay and then suffering with real teething problems. Says alot. I believe the club also sought him out. Big mistake in my opinion. WIth the money available to the club in terms of player wages we need to get a real mover and shaker to replace Cameron soon.
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We need a Natanui,a Johnathon Brown and man sized backline.
Can we get those in two years?
NicNat is a stuff and a one of a kind. Another Kreuzer type could be around though in the next 2 years (I haven't seen much of the U16 and U18 comps to know who's potentially available) although GC and GWS have the first 3 picks and will each grab the best tall.
With picks 4, 4 and 6 in the next two years and free agency coming in there's no reason why we can't add 4 A-graders to our list if we pick right. Then it's up to our recruiters with our 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks in upcoming drafts to add the quality depth that will take us the ladder.
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we cant do half jobs anymore. If we are to do it properly then everyone should be on notice to perform and quite frankly CC is part of an era we dont want at this club anymore. He was there with Miller, and has been F/T for a few years and has brought garbage into this club.
He clearly is not up to the task at hand and i Hope Dimma sees this and dumps him come seasons end.
Cameron replaced Miller as head of the footy dept. So he wasn't at the club at the same time as Miller. He was at Melbourne with their list in a total mess. Francis Jackson was the one there working under Miller. Cameron was there though for Wallace's last 9 months or so and the whole of Rawlings' caretaker period. In fact Cameron was in the coaches' box with Jade and was standing next to him with stern faces as Jordie had that shot for goal :P.
Cameron was bought to Richmond by Miller as the LIST MANAGER, apparently on a five year contract.
IIRC Miller left just after he started and he was promoted to FOOTY MANAGER because he was last man standing and kept List Manager job as well.
Cameron is in the second year of his five year term, he has not been replaced as List Manager as promised so has both jobs like Miller had, he is Hardwicks boss and reports to Gale and the board.
Note that Hartley (ex-Recruitment Manager at Port for last five years) is the List Analyst and opposition Scout hired by Hardwick as a member of his coaching staff.
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What makes people think that free agency will make much of a difference?
I can see us losing some of our better players who are sick of losing and want to have some succes before they retire.
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we cant do half jobs anymore. If we are to do it properly then everyone should be on notice to perform and quite frankly CC is part of an era we dont want at this club anymore. He was there with Miller, and has been F/T for a few years and has brought garbage into this club.
He clearly is not up to the task at hand and i Hope Dimma sees this and dumps him come seasons end.
Cameron replaced Miller as head of the footy dept. So he wasn't at the club at the same time as Miller. He was at Melbourne with their list in a total mess. Francis Jackson was the one there working under Miller. Cameron was there though for Wallace's last 9 months or so and the whole of Rawlings' caretaker period. In fact Cameron was in the coaches' box with Jade and was standing next to him with stern faces as Jordie had that shot for goal :P.
Cameron was bought to Richmond by Miller as the LIST MANAGER, apparently on a five year contract.
IIRC Miller left just after he started and he was promoted to FOOTY MANAGER because he was last man standing and kept List Manager job as well.
Cameron is in the second year of his five year term, he has not been replaced as List Manager as promised so has both jobs like Miller had, he is Hardwicks boss and reports to Gale and the board.
Note that Hartley (ex-Recruitment Manager at Port for last five years) is the List Analyst and opposition Scout hired by Hardwick as a member of his coaching staff.
You're right RT. I stand corrected :). Cameron arrive in Jan 2008. I mucked it up as I knew Cameron wasn't at Richmond for the 2007 draft/trade period. So although he initially worked under Miller, Miller was given the stuff and Cameron promoted to head of the footy dept by the time he was first involved with our recruiting decisions in October-December. This must then be Cameron's 3rd year?
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What makes people think that free agency will make much of a difference?
I can see us losing some of our better players who are sick of losing and want to have some succes before they retire.
That's a possibility but given the youthful age of our list very few of our players will satisfy the criteria to be free agents by 2012. You would also hope we'll be on the other side of our bottoming out by then that we'll be seen as a up and coming side.
Free agency could help us given (a) we have Benny Gale who pushed for it as head of the AFLPA and so should know every nitty detail and (b) with such a young list we have had apparently forward-load a number of contracts to meet the 92.5% of the salary cap minimum limit. Take away Jordie's 300k per year :P as well to free up more cap space and by 2012 we should have cash available to chase a free agent.
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What makes people think that free agency will make much of a difference?
I can see us losing some of our better players who are sick of losing and want to have some succes before they retire.
That's a possibility but given the youthful age of our list very few of our players will satisfy the criteria to be free agents by 2012. You would also hope we'll be on the other side of our bottoming out by then that we'll be seen as a up and coming side.
Free agency could help us given (a) we have Benny Gale who pushed for it as head of the AFLPA and so should know every nitty detail and (b) with such a young list we have had apparently forward-load a number of contracts to meet the 92.5% of the salary cap minimum limit. Take away Jordie's 300k per year :P as well to free up more cap space and by 2012 we should have cash available to chase a free agent.
and add simmonds, tuck et al ... and then we will free up lots of money to have an impact during free agency. indeed with our salary cap being how it is, we should be in prime position to chase some players.
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
Answer is - they don't have any choice who drafts them.
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
Answer is - they don't have any choice who drafts them.
But in free agency they would and I think in our current state, most quality players would come with a hefty price tag to convince them to come our way
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In two years time we really wouldn't want to be 'buying' too many 25+ year olds in any event. When the core of our list reaches the 23+ age bracket that would be the time we would want to go on a shopping spree and is also when the list would begin to look more attractive. The only player type we appear to urgently need to gain is a ruckman who usually last a little longer than other players regardless.
I think free trade we be of considerable worth to us in the future given that very few of our players will be eligible or wanted to be taken by other clubs and we can go out and fill the needs in our team when our list finally starts to form.
Stripes
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Its True, funny I was only discussing this subject with my brother last
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The good news is that the stronger sides will get picks that are even further discounted than ours!
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gee watching Scully and Trengrove you can never have enough quality picks
they are going to be 2 stars those boys.
both over 15 possy's each again against the buldogs at half time
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see their final tally's? :o scully 39!
that's why you dont scoff at "playing the game" and making sure we get picks 4 & 6 next year!
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see their final tally's? :o scully 39!
that's why you dont scoff at "playing the game" and making sure we get picks 4 & 6 next year!
That's why we should have lost that Melbourne game last year.
They would not have had pick 2 and we would have had pick 1, 17 and 18.
Now and in the future Melbourne will be a far better side with Scully and Trengove in there as opposed to just one. One would have been at Freo or NM or WCE. We should keep the win loss stats of when one is not playing as testament to winning a game that was worth more toThat's why we should have lost that Melbourne game last year.
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tony would anyone want to come to our club at the moment given where we are?
did any one want to go to melb last yr. go thru the right processes get a shedload of quality kids into the system (we have some we just need to build on what we have) and players will want to come. joel macdonald anyone. he nominated melb. still cant work out why voss got rid of him. nothing special but a decent skilled honest player.
for what its worth i cant work out why voss traded the way he has. or even more pertinant why the media have said nothing. i suppose in a way hes one of theirs.
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just on topic good news we can look forward to this yr at the least picks 4 27 28 44 61. trade into a pick in the top 15 and it could be handy.
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I was skimming the Bommers forum and i saw that they were trying to get pick 4 next year... who do they think they are lol
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That's why we should have lost that Melbourne game last year.
They would not have had pick 2 and we would have had pick 1, 17 and 18.
Melbourne would have lost Pick 2, but we'd still have had too many wins from beating Essendon
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That's why we should have lost that Melbourne game last year.
They would not have had pick 2 and we would have had pick 1, 17 and 18.
Melbourne would have lost Pick 2, but we'd still have had too many wins from beating Essendon
I keep forgetting to mention the North game too Infamy. :thumbsup
Gave up a 7 goal half time lead to draw when the loss would have been just fine.
If that game meant something the draw would have been as bad as a loss but as we know assuming we lost
that Melbourne game and lost the North game would have left us at 4 wins. Melbourne at 5. Freo at 5 and Nth
and W Coast well above the bottom 3.
By the way Infamy love the Disco Stu avatar in the back of the limo. :cheers
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we wont get picks 4 , 27 & 28
27 will be the PP, then GC have first pick of every round so that would be 28
we would then get 29 for finishing bottom
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see their final tally's? :o scully 39!
that's why you dont scoff at "playing the game" and making sure we get picks 4 & 6 next year!
That's why we should have lost that Melbourne game last year.
They would not have had pick 2 and we would have had pick 1, 17 and 18.
Now and in the future Melbourne will be a far better side with Scully and Trengove in there as opposed to just one. One would have been at Freo or NM or WCE. We should keep the win loss stats of when one is not playing as testament to winning a game that was worth more toThat's why we should have lost that Melbourne game last year.
correct!!!
anyone who has any doubt as to who has a better list while i can assure you the Dees will become the new carlton and Scully/Watts/Trengrove will be the new Gibbs/Kruzer/Murphy.
I put the blame soley and squarely on Cameron for winnning those games.
You cannot tell me Gary Lyon and co didnt have a say in the Dees playing the system beautifully last year while at Punt Road, we are constantly being led by clowns like Cameron and Jackson who have no stuffin idea.