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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 20, 2010, 09:48:48 PM
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Well according to Crackers Keenan in Inside Football :whistle
Fraser might get punted
They have started already – the rumours about likely player movements next year. Josh Fraser will head off to Richmond. He’s supposedly out of favour with the coach-in-waiting at Collingwood, Nathan Buckley. The other big whisper is that Shaun Higgins has been targeted by the Gold Coast. The longer the season goes the more these little stories will pop up. But it does seem like Fraser might be on the outer at Collingwood and with Jolly there in the first ruck and a few young blokes developing, including the young American Seamus McNamara, it may be time for Fraser to look elsewhere.
http://insidefootballonline.com/crackers.html
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Oh FFS no, not the way forward and we decided against him in a trade a few years ago didn't we?? If we pick him up it goes against our recruiting policy to date.... surely!!
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Our coach is not Terry therefore has brains. Josh can keep walking.
He is a dud of the highest order. I would rather Trent Knobel back than him.
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Our coach is not Terry therefore has brains. Josh can keep walking.
He is a dud of the highest order. I would rather Trent Knobel back than him.
Didn't we take Knobel instead of Fraser a few years ago?
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Absolutely not. We are better off without a ruckman than trading for Fraser.
Agree with WAT and Daniel wholeheartedly. Good points by both lads. :thumbsup
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Absolutely not. We are better off without a ruckman than trading for Fraser.
Agree with WAT and Daniel wholeheartedly. Good points by both lads. :thumbsup
he would be a another bradshaw good in a good team... But don't we REALLY need a ruckmen? could trade Vic and another dude for him? Tyron is a dud any way
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Absolutely not. We are better off without a ruckman than trading for Fraser.
Agree with WAT and Daniel wholeheartedly. Good points by both lads. :thumbsup
he would be a another bradshaw good in a good team... But don't we REALLY need a ruckmen? could trade Vic and another dude for him? Tyron is a dud any way
Is that you terry?
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Absolutely not. We are better off without a ruckman than trading for Fraser.
Agree with WAT and Daniel wholeheartedly. Good points by both lads. :thumbsup
he would be a another bradshaw good in a good team... But don't we REALLY need a ruckmen? could trade Vic and another dude for him? Tyron is a dud any way
Is that you terry?
Your funny ... but serouisly if he came to richmond he would be our best player
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Absolutely not. We are better off without a ruckman than trading for Fraser.
Agree with WAT and Daniel wholeheartedly. Good points by both lads. :thumbsup
he would be a another bradshaw good in a good team... But don't we REALLY need a ruckmen? could trade Vic and another dude for him? Tyron is a dud any way
Is that you terry?
Your funny ... but serouisly if he came to richmond he would be our best player
Better than who? Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Riewoldt, Cousins, Deledio? Fraser would not be in our best dozen let alone the half dozen I have mentioned.
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a twenty eight year old maligned footballer swapped for a nineteen y/o developing ruckman + someone else??
hilarious.
why dont we just do a straight swap vickery for leigh "the spud" brown
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a twenty eight year old maligned footballer swapped for a nineteen y/o developing ruckman + someone else??
hilarious.
why dont we just do a straight swap vickery for leigh "the spud" brown
Smacks of Miller and Wallace. :wallywink
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I wouldn't even trade McMahon for him
We may get a 3rd rounder from the AFL for him going to Gold Coast
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Well according to Crackers Keenan in Inside Football :whistle
No need to worry it's a story from Crackers Keenan
Who rarely gets things right. thi stime last year he predicted Sheedy would be coaching us this year
Wha'ts our coaches name again :rollin
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lol at all the harsh calls on here about fraser. while i must admit i dont want him and think him totally the wrong type of ruckman needed i have to say he would be a massive upgrade on graham. yep i can hear you all now hes too old and thus short term. well what the stuff is graham if not short term. fraser would be an actual upgrade if only in the interim.
and those who bagged bradshaw what fools. only performs at a good club etc brisbane would have done better keeping him over fevola. besides who would we prefer bradshaw or polak. ones a top notch player who knows where to go how to lead and is strong in a contest and the other just plain ordinary, both short term. only one had something to pass onto any kids he may have met.
in fact im livid how the hell can richmond people bag fraser when one looks at the litany of duds we have had go thru our system.
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mate its about what we have to give up to get these types of players.
Gus showed a bit last week, but otherwise i follow your sentiments on him. The thing is getting a player like Fraser now means he must play week in week out because we have given up something to get him. Hindering the development of a players like vickery, browne etc.
Put time and effort to finding some bloke from the sticks or someone young bloke from another club. Dont waste your time with a 28 year old bloke who is not exactly a hardline player.
On Bradshaw, he has done okay this year. But is there any real point in having him in our side at all? We rotated Roberts, Rance, Polak, Astbury, Polo, McGuane, Morton etc through the forward line to see what works. Look at where our side will be in round 16/17. Would you have Bradshaw in the fwd line over Reiwoldt, Griffiths, Astbury, Morton? if all are in form? It seems like a waste of a psd pick or whatever he was picked up for, a player that might contribute for a year or two. Or picking up a diamond in the rough that plays in the next premiership. Ill take the chance everytime.
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mate its about what we have to give up to get these types of players.
Gus showed a bit last week, but otherwise i follow your sentiments on him. The thing is getting a player like Fraser now means he must play week in week out because we have given up something to get him. Hindering the development of a players like vickery, browne etc.
Put time and effort to finding some bloke from the sticks or someone young bloke from another club. Dont waste your time with a 28 year old bloke who is not exactly a hardline player.
On Bradshaw, he has done okay this year. But is there any real point in having him in our side at all? We rotated Roberts, Rance, Polak, Astbury, Polo, McGuane, Morton etc through the forward line to see what works. Look at where our side will be in round 16/17. Would you have Bradshaw in the fwd line over Reiwoldt, Griffiths, Astbury, Morton? if all are in form? It seems like a waste of a psd pick or whatever he was picked up for, a player that might contribute for a year or two. Or picking up a diamond in the rough that plays in the next premiership. Ill take the chance everytime.
in answer to weather i would have bradshaw in the team over astbury griffiths etc. hell yeah these boys will take 3 or 4 yrs to properly develop. they need leadership guidance and quality to learn of as well as being protected from from being thrown in the deep end just to drown.
oh by the way bradshaw was going to cost us a psd pick or virtually a nd pick in the 90s. if we were to upgrade graham with fraser you would not be looking to do it with much more.
i can thinlk of a few younger ruckmen who would be big upgrades on graham who would cost jack. the trouble is most other ruckmen would be an upgrade on graham.
i dont know how often ive stated on most forums ive been on. you build your future with early picks. you also use plenty of nd picks when in rebuild. but when in rebuild its 99% of the time the older types who cop it in the neck and you have to maintain a balance.
in our case establish a balance so we need to take some experienced types. all experienced types are short to med term players. as such age does not really come into it just the quality of player we are bringing to our club and most definately as long as we are upgrading.
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Do we owe the magpies a favour regarding Steve McKee? please no Fraser not ever!
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I strained my neck from shaking it so much.
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No to Fraser. Need a ruckman who can take a contested mark. With the exception of Greg Dear and Greg Stafford our recruiting regarding ruckman from other clubs has not been flash eg O'Dwyer from melbourne and Knobel from st.Kilda
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Just no skunks ever fullstop end of story. They only ever trade poo, you would of thought we would of worked that out back in the 80's when they poached all our good players and they laughed at us taking all there dross... You can't scrub the stink off of them. just no..
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I'm gonna be unpopular, but Simmonds will probably go at the end of the year and if Fraser costs us nothing (PSD pick or a Steven King trade deal ie. pick 90+) then i'd go for it.
Our rucks next year will be Vickery (still a baby), Graham and Browne (still massive question marks).
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As long as it costs us nothing I am all for it
Plus we will have someone new to vent on
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I'm gonna be unpopular, but Simmonds will probably go at the end of the year and if Fraser costs us nothing (PSD pick or a Steven King trade deal ie. pick 90+) then i'd go for it.
Our rucks next year will be Vickery (still a baby), Graham and Browne (still massive question marks).
Wayne i read your posts and you seem to know what your talking about but in this case its a big NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
we dont need his type in our team.
Vickery will turn good needs game time. Remember Kruzer all the Blues did with him is play him in the seniors with a few stints at the Bullants. Thats how we should treat Vickers.
Frazer.hahahahahaha you cant be serious surely. Might as well let Roland Rocchiccioli ruck for us while we are at it
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As long as it costs us nothing I am all for it
Plus we will have someone new to vent on
I like your reasoning.
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lol at all the harsh calls on here about fraser. while i must admit i dont want him and think him totally the wrong type of ruckman needed i have to say he would be a massive upgrade on graham. yep i can hear you all now hes too old and thus short term. well what the eff is graham if not short term. fraser would be an actual upgrade if only in the interim.
and those who bagged bradshaw what fools. only performs at a good club etc brisbane would have done better keeping him over fevola. besides who would we prefer bradshaw or polak. ones a top notch player who knows where to go how to lead and is strong in a contest and the other just plain ordinary, both short term. only one had something to pass onto any kids he may have met.
in fact im livid how the hell can richmond people bag fraser when one looks at the litany of duds we have had go thru our system.
Sighs.
Graham has years left in development being a 22/23 year old ruckman. Fraser is 28 an has 3 years of AFL left. He plays no role in taking us to a sustained successful club and no role in winning a flag when our window opens in 3-4 years.
Pointless addition to the list.
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lol at all the harsh calls on here about fraser. while i must admit i dont want him and think him totally the wrong type of ruckman needed i have to say he would be a massive upgrade on graham. yep i can hear you all now hes too old and thus short term. well what the eff is graham if not short term. fraser would be an actual upgrade if only in the interim.
and those who bagged bradshaw what fools. only performs at a good club etc brisbane would have done better keeping him over fevola. besides who would we prefer bradshaw or polak. ones a top notch player who knows where to go how to lead and is strong in a contest and the other just plain ordinary, both short term. only one had something to pass onto any kids he may have met.
in fact im livid how the hell can richmond people bag fraser when one looks at the litany of duds we have had go thru our system.
Sighs.
Graham has years left in development being a 22/23 year old ruckman. Fraser is 28 an has 3 years of AFL left. He plays no role in taking us to a sustained successful club and no role in winning a flag when our window opens in 3-4 years.
Pointless addition to the list.
Totally agrre PL, no point even continuing on with this thread, although we will, I will be shocked if we even mention his name as a club.
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Wasn't one of the aims of collingwood getting Jolly to ease the toll on Fraser's body by reducing his time in the ruck?
Not really an ideal candidate to be recruiting to ease your own ruck woes is it?
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No to Josh Fraser. Chronic knee PCL and back injuries. Even if he cost you nothing, he'd cost you plenty. He'd bankrupt the medical dept for a start ....
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i dunno man i just wanna make a impact in the next one or two years not flippin 4 or 5
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i dunno man i just wanna make a impact in the next one or two years not flippin 4 or 5
NO SHORTCUTS!!!
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i dunno man i just wanna make a impact in the next one or two years not flippin 4 or 5
NO SHORTCUTS!!!
What about for the BBQ.... :thumbsup
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Fraser - injury prone, underachiever and 29 in January. PASS!