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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 24, 2010, 04:53:20 PM
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Any?
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Hardwick just worked out another 3 or 4 who cant play and that he can get rid of them at years end with the knowledge that there not going to come back and haunt us!
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I wouldn't say positives, but 'things to learn'
Massive amount of work to do:
* Think about the system rather than the scoreboard. Jack our only road to goal without another tall. Lets think about other ways for the rest of the season.
* We lack size still. Even second year maggots are nuggety (Blair)
* Rucks learning the blocking rules
* Hard-running is everything. Few of our blokes found wanting this week and last. How do you explain COllingwood having 3 free in the forward 50 with one tiger?
* Defensive organization? Who are our leaders down there normally and why were things so ordinary today?
* As far as the draft goes, we are miles off in raw class and being down a handful of top-liners showed that. We just have to take best-available talent again. Our midfield stocks ar still short on depth and losing Cousins who has been one of our better players this week and last will present a gap that needs to be filled.
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Hardwick just worked out another 3 or 4 who cant play and that he can get rid of them at years end with the knowledge that there not going to come back and haunt us!
x 2.
Plus, it got shown to our players first hand what real pressure on the ball carrier looks like.
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Positives:
Today proved even with a purple patch we still need a clean out.
Nahas, Polo, Simmonds, McMahon, Thompson, Polak wont be at the club next year.
More games to determine the future of:
Morton, Rance, Post - All will prob survive the cull but would want to put in a decent performance
- Astbury I thought played quiet well
- Cousins had a fine game
- Rance has improved
It made it obvious how much we need another tall forward but also how much we missed Foley, Cotchin and Jackson as we were smashed in the midfield..
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Popelord, what game did you go to??
Rance :banghead
We had 2 players today, Morton and Cousins, the rest were hopeless
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Morton, Rance & Astbury were our best for the day
Cousins was very good also
Polo's papers are stamped, please just drop him, in fact take him out the back and put him down
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I counted Rance kicking the ball to the opposition 4 times today that resulted in GOALS.
11 of Collingwoods goals were direct from our turnovers, what game do you people watch :banghead
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Well Rance had 23 disposals at 87% efficiency, 11 marks, 2 tackles and one 1 clanger which I think was that dropped mark
Perhaps you should get some prescription glasses
His efficiency rate means he had only 3 disposals in the whole game that didn't go directly to his teammate, if they went straight to an opponent they would have registered as clangers, so I think you're telling porkies.
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Closer to Pick 4 :cheers
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Mate, I would know more about football than you would know on your little finger, Rance isnt up to it.
Everyone he played on kicked goals on him.
Pointless arguing with idiots like you infamy.
Signed
Jamie
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Martin played well in big game against a good mid-field in top form. great experience for him and the other young richmond players today.
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Mate, I would know more about football than you would know on your little finger, Rance isnt up to it.
Everyone he played on kicked goals on him.
Pointless arguing with idiots like you infamy.
Signed
Jamie
So rather than try to debate my argument on its merits you just crack the sads and claim you're the smartest man in football so we should just accept what you say when everything suggest you are talking our of your ass
Every player in our side had goals kicked on him today. Considering this was Rance's first game back at AFL level since Round 9 when he was playing as a forward. To come in and play like he did today was a credit to him, so shove it up your ass you arrogant wanker
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After I was sucked in with a few good wins and wanted to see more, we've had a couple of reality checks and really do need pick 4.
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Hey Infamy
Polo had 19 possesions , you would think he played good too?
HE WAS HOPELESS.
Get a life you tosser, and change you signature while your at it.
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what makes me laugh is some of you anti Tanking people actually believed we had the list to move forward.
I believe "the rebuild is complete" were words thrown around about a month ago...lol
lot to learn and again the fantasy island crew let us down. Nahas, Nason, Farmer :banghead :banghead :banghead someone needs to tell Farmer a tackle is a tackle not a push. Only getting a game because Dimma knows he was handpicked by himself. Cant see any other reason why he would be playing.
Only Morton and King showed up today the rest hopeless. Browne is he seriously for real :banghead :banghead seen enough. dud
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I counted Rance kicking the ball to the opposition 4 times today that resulted in GOALS.
what game do you people watch :banghead
stop talking poo
Rance was surprisingly solid today.
back to topic
No positives, side was dreadful today
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Hey Infamy
Polo had 19 possesions , you would think he played good too?
HE WAS HOPELESS.
Get a life you tosser, and change you signature while your at it.
No Polo was terrible, didn't you want to take credit for his recruitment and highly rated him as a junior?
He had 19 disposals and 6 clangers, stats pretty much back up that he was shocking
I did watch the game you know, Rance was good, better than most of his team mates and for a bloke who has so many supporters writing him off I thought showed that with patience he can still become a good player. The kid is a 20 year old kpp in only his 3rd season and 23 games. Far too soon to be writing the bloke off, he's admitted his deficiencies when interviewed on Future Stars on channel 9 and it is now showing that he spent time in the VFL working on them.
And I'll get rid of my signature when you leave this site permanently you tosser. I didn't make it up, you wrote it so I'm happy to share it with everyone.
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Infamy ::)
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Infamy ::)
Typical response from you when you've got nothing
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..... and change you signature while your at it.
:lol
Saucer of milk, table for two, meow.
:lol
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Hey Infamy
Polo had 19 possesions , you would think he played good too?
HE WAS HOPELESS.
Get a life you tosser, and change you signature while your at it.
No Polo was terrible, didn't you want to take credit for his recruitment and highly rated him as a junior?
He had 19 disposals and 6 clangers, stats pretty much back up that he was shocking
I did watch the game you know, Rance was good, better than most of his team mates and for a bloke who has so many supporters writing him off I thought showed that with patience he can still become a good player. The kid is a 20 year old kpp in only his 3rd season and 23 games. Far too soon to be writing the bloke off, he's admitted his deficiencies when interviewed on Future Stars on channel 9 and it is now showing that he spent time in the VFL working on them.
And I'll get rid of my signature when you leave this site permanently you tosser. I didn't make it up, you wrote it so I'm happy to share it with everyone.
Jack was obviously being facetious when he wrote that so why don't you stop being such a idiot and change it.
Disagree and argue all you like but the signature is clearly misleading.
:cheers
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Jack was obviously being facetious when he wrote that so why don't you stop being such a idiot and change it.
Disagree and argue all you like but the signature is clearly misleading.
:cheers
Couldn't give a toss what you think
How about you get out from under jack's desk?
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I counted Rance kicking the ball to the opposition 4 times today that resulted in GOALS.
what game do you people watch :banghead
stop talking poo
Rance was surprisingly solid today.
back to topic
No positives, side was dreadful today
Astbury and Morton were solid
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People on here laugh at bomber forums going off when they loose'
:ROTFL
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. You'd think that after so many losses in the last 30 years people would be able to accept them for what they are.
Positives form todays game?
What about Astbury?
Gee, this kid will be good!!
Morton up the ground? didn't kill em but in the context of the game showed enough to look forward to seeing more of him there.
Farmer was reasonably solid.
Rance, although he did make a couple of stuff ups, did some good things as well. Undecided about this kid.
nason, just knows where to run to and when, Is very much like dale thomas in the way he plays and had more impact than dale in a comprehensively beaten side.
Early in the year it was the same with many screaming like babies with crappy nappies after a loss.
Have a look at the changes to this side to that what beat freo!
We all hate those scum, but you have to give them credit. They forced us to play the way they wanted us to.
They hardly turned the ball over from unforced skill errors. They were the better drilled side for the day and our side consisted of a number of players who probably are not part of the future of RFC.
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Morton showed he is keen to be part of the future - 25 possesions - hope he keeps it up
Ashby played well for a big guy in his first year - quality preson
Rance was very good most of the time, showed courage, concentrated hard to not turn it over with his possessions. I hate when he back tracks, maybe he should look side ways as well.
Funny but we could have used Tambos tackling and hardness today , but I am glad they have cancelled the forward line experiment and are sending him back to help him get his confidence back.
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Interesting stat.
Rance has now played 23 games for only 2 wins. :shh
Richmond has not won the last 15 games he has played in (however there was one draw)
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Hardwick just worked out another 3 or 4 who cant play and that he can get rid of them at years end with the knowledge that there not going to come back and haunt us!
who Ramps?
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Any?
Rewoldt who has worked on his lower body strength & is now kicking the ball longer & through the ball outside the 50 metre arc
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Popelord, what game did you go to??
Rance :banghead
We had 2 players today, Morton and Cousins, the rest were hopeless
Jackstar
Popelord dont go to games, he trolls through forums & watches TV, sometimes he thinks his even playing in them on his couch :rollin makes stupid statements on players he wants cut who were not even on the ground or have retired already
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King and Morton played good games as did Rance. Rance was one of the few in the backline who could lay a tackle and make it stick. Astbury was good. Polo is gone. Ruck division a problem. Should not be beaten by Brown of the pies. Graham needs to take more contested marks to help us in defence. McGuane had a shocker. What do people think does he have a future at Richmond? Delivery to Jack was very poor
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Jacko has served his sentence & will be back next week.
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People on here laugh at bomber forums going off when they loose'
:ROTFL
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. You'd think that after so many losses in the last 30 years people would be able to accept them for what they are.
Positives form todays game?
What about Astbury?
Gee, this kid will be good!!
Morton up the ground? didn't kill em but in the context of the game showed enough to look forward to seeing more of him there.
Farmer was reasonably solid.
Rance, although he did make a couple of eff ups, did some good things as well. Undecided about this kid.
nason, just knows where to run to and when, Is very much like dale thomas in the way he plays and had more impact than dale in a comprehensively beaten side.
Early in the year it was the same with many screaming like babies with pooty nappies after a loss.
Have a look at the changes to this side to that what beat freo!
We all hate those scum, but you have to give them credit. They forced us to play the way they wanted us to.
They hardly turned the ball over from unforced skill errors. They were the better drilled side for the day and our side consisted of a number of players who probably are not part of the future of RFC.
whilst i agree with some parts of this response but you cant be serious about nason and Farmer yesterday. They were horrible.
definately must rest farmer next week he provides nothing to this side at all. Every opportunity he always looks to handball off instead of kicking. He was recruiting as a good kick so kick the stuffing thing :banghead :banghead
Agree re: Astbury. has improved with each game will be a star.
Morton must play EVERY game this year. Games like that yesterday will increase his currency or at least give us a new rejuvenated player that can not only kick goals but play midfield. he is a better choice than polo and nahas by the length of the straight.
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While Nason has played better games, he just keeps presenting. He has an ablitity to spread and find space, particularly from defence. How many times did he he find space and provide a link up out of defence from the back flanks?.
Farmer also keeps presenting, in his case he reads the play very well, he also seems a pretty good judge of when to spoil and when to stay down. Agree I'd like to see him kick more, but perhaps there actually needs to be an option to kick to.
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Farmer was one of the bext players we had on the field yesterday and in fact most of the year. His attack on the ball and long kicking has been true assets o the team. Great swap for Schulz imho.
Rance though was disappointing for me. While he is tough at the contest he continually looked to kick backwards and turned around to seek the safe option. I understand that Collingwood's defensive work made finding targets up the field and breaking through their zone very difficult but turning backwards and looking for safe option was a step backwards to the Bowden days for mine. He hasn't he pace to break the lines or run away from opponents which is why he always turns around. We needed to run out of defense in waves.
Stripes
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Farmer was one of the bext players we had on the field yesterday and in fact most of the year. His attack on the ball and long kicking has been true assets o the team. Great swap for Schulz imho.
Rance though was disappointing for me. While he is tough at the contest he continually looked to kick backwards and turned around to seek the safe option. I understand that Collingwood's defensive work made finding targets up the field and breaking through their zone very difficult but turning backwards and looking for safe option was a step backwards to the Bowden days for mine. He hasn't he pace to break the lines or run away from opponents which is why he always turns around. We needed to run out of defense in waves.
Stripes
i thought i had heard it all till this comment
His attack on the ball and long kicking has been true assets to the team.
uum which game were you at on the weekend. Farmer was shocking and long kicking, you are kidding right? He is the handball specialist to no one in particular. Backwards trade IMO for Schulz. Neither here nor there.
we had few players yesterday in fact 3 with King being okay too. Cuz, Astbury, Morton. Farmer and the rest of the team were shocking.
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There are some funny things in this thread ;D
bottom line is we were never going to get close in this game. To borrow another posters "catch cry" that's a FACT
Based on yesterday efforts you could argue that 80% of players paper's should be stamped never to be seen again
It was a terrible day but in the overall scheme of things is probably just an indiction of where we are at and where we need to get to. Nothing more nothing less
Time to move on and roll with the punches ;D
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U can't get a backwards trade on Schulz dumbest comment of the year
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I counted Rance kicking the ball to the opposition 4 times today that resulted in GOALS.
11 of Collingwoods goals were direct from our turnovers, what game do you people watch :banghead
a long kick to a pack which doesn't result in our team collecting the ball doesn't count as a turnover 8)
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Hi guys 1st time poster here.I thought Morton,Rance & Astbury were positives on sat & in particular Rance who i thought just wasn't going to make it but who knows now
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Hi guys 1st time poster here.I thought Morton,Rance & Astbury were positives on sat & in particular Rance who i thought just wasn't going to make it but who knows now
Welcome aboard FT.
A great site populated by lots of diehards and lots of (odd and otherwise) characters.
:thumbsup
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Hi guys 1st time poster here.I thought Morton,Rance & Astbury were positives on sat & in particular Rance who i thought just wasn't going to make it but who knows now
Welcome aboard FT.
A great site populated by lots of diehards and lots of (odd and otherwise) characters.
:thumbsup
Cheers,have been on here many a time reading everyones thoughts & thought might as well add mine as well.Go Tiges
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McGuane to GC17 for a 2d round pick !!!
Can't carry guys who can't kick and make smart choices with ball in hand.
Love his work rate, courage and determination but this will only take us so far !!
McGuane, Polo, Nahas, Thomson, Hislop, Polak, Roberts, McMahon should be moved on either through trade or delistings at the end of the year.
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King and Morton played good games as did Rance. Rance was one of the few in the backline who could lay a tackle and make it stick. Astbury was good. Polo is gone. Ruck division a problem. Should not be beaten by Brown of the pies. Graham needs to take more contested marks to help us in defence. McGuane had a shocker. What do people think does he have a future at Richmond? Delivery to Jack was very poor
How on earth did mcguane have a shocker. There are some people who just don't like certain players and that means that player has already played crap before a ball has been bounced 8)
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How on earth did mcguane have a shocker. There are some people who just don't like certain players and that means that player has already played crap before a ball has been bounced 8)
Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that he refused to man up on his opponent as ball was coming in the Pies forward line.
Standing off your opponent by about 10-20 metres when the ball is up on the wing doesn't make a lot of sense when you consider the speed it which the Pies were bringing it into their F50. Made it bloody difficult to get back to make a contest. I lost count in the 2nd qtr of the number of times Luke did this.
I've been a big wrap fro Luke over the last 2 seasons but Saturday was not one of his finest games; not by a long long way
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FACTS are that McGaune was terrible on the weeknd
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FACTS are that McGaune was terrible on the weeknd
Surely you mean "opinion", not "fact"?
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some ppl here are blnded
the tigers did not play man on man because they were instructed to play the zone game
this game was used as an educatiional game, same as v the cats
man on man we can play but we need to get better at the zone game, so thats why all our players were not accountable
if it happened all day its obvious they were instructed to
the result means nothing, they had to suffer this pain to learn and go forward
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nearly agree with you there X
Thats why guys like Polo and Rance got so many UNCONTESTED possesions.
And Gordon, its a fact, McGaune was terrible ;)
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nearly agree with you there X
Thats why guys like Polo and Rance got so many UNCONTESTED possesions.
And Gordon, its a fact, McGaune was terrible ;)
Interesting you bring up the UNCONTESTED possession stat Jack...
Just some numbers
Polo = 7 contested possessions & 13 uncontested possessions
Rance = 8 contested possiessions & 18 uncontested possessions
And the winner in the UNCONTESTED possession stakes for the Tigers on Saturday?
Ben Cousins with 19.... so it isn't necessarily about the UNCONTESTED possessions it's like all possessions it's about what you do with them ;D
Actually to take it further
Cousins & Rance led the Tigers uncontested possies
Next were:
Tuck - 17
Morton - 16
Connors - 15
Problem we had is we we crap inthe CONTESTED possession stakes
Got pumped 99 to 142 - and that was very disappointing
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bring up a point.
Not a good idea to get uncontested possesions in D 50
To get uncontested possesions through the corridor eg Cousins is okay, as he releases players to go inside F 50
Big difference
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nearly agree with you there X
Thats why guys like Polo and Rance got so many UNCONTESTED possesions.
And Gordon, its a fact, McGaune was terrible ;)
fact is the whole game was played inside their 50 and we were missing Moore and thursfield. Finger in dyke and he was overwhelmed. You honestly think Moore or Thursty wouldve reduced the margin if they played instead of mcguane?
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YES
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bring up a point.
Not a good idea to get uncontested possesions in D 50
To get uncontested possesions through the corridor eg Cousins is okay, as he releases players to go inside F 50
Big difference
Agree but in zone situation blokes are going to get cheap uncontested possies
Connors does it every week ;D
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Connors does it every week ;D
I got to say WP I've been a Connors fan, but his general application on the weekend gave me a little to worry about. Poor defensive efforts and poor discipline... OK his fitness isn't great because he hasn't played many games of footy, but it still is a burden that the rest of the team have to carry.
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On Connors, I sat on the fence last week, 20 metres from the interchange.
he seems overweight, and NOT FIT to me
He was blowing more than any other player, I was really surprised.
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On Connors, I sat on the fence last week, 20 metres from the interchange.
he seems overweight, and NOT FIT to me
He was blowing more than any other player, I was really surprised.
Yeah exactly jack.. halfway through the second and he had hands on hips blowing. Clearly needs to improve his tank. Needs a massive off-season.
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You know that a bloke blowing hard could mean two things? He could be unfit, or he could be working very hard.
I'd be more concerned about any mid sized player coming off and not blowing hard.
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nearly agree with you there X
Thats why guys like Polo and Rance got so many UNCONTESTED possesions.
And Gordon, its a fact, McGaune was terrible ;)
Interesting you bring up the UNCONTESTED possession stat Jack...
Just some numbers
Polo = 7 contested possessions & 13 uncontested possessions
Rance = 8 contested possiessions & 18 uncontested possessions
And the winner in the UNCONTESTED possession stakes for the Tigers on Saturday?
Ben Cousins with 19.... so it isn't necessarily about the UNCONTESTED possessions it's like all possessions it's about what you do with them ;D
Actually to take it further
Cousins & Rance led the Tigers uncontested possies
Next were:
Tuck - 17
Morton - 16
Connors - 15
Problem we had is we we crap inthe CONTESTED possession stakes
Got pumped 99 to 142 - and that was very disappointing
Shows how much we missed Jackson and Cotchin.
Early in the season we were at least matching it with the opposition in contested possessions, but got smashed in the uncontested. When we were playing well the uncontested possessions was up there.
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hey lets not go over the top on Conners, it is the flu season.
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On Connors, I sat on the fence last week, 20 metres from the interchange.
he seems overweight, and NOT FIT to me
He was blowing more than any other player, I was really surprised.
why? he's been in shocking physical condition his whole "rfc career" todate.
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Shows how much we missed Jackson and Cotchin.
Early in the season we were at least matching it with the opposition in contested possessions, but got smashed in the uncontested. When we were playing well the uncontested possessions was up there.
Good call al we missed cotch & Jackson but at the same time getting smashed at the hardbll also dissapointed me most last week bc that is an area that desire and will can carry you just as far as talent. If we could have matched them in contested ball but still get smashed I would accept it, gettng thrashed at our own strength was most dissapointing for me
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You know that a bloke blowing hard could mean two things? He could be unfit, or he could be working very hard.
I'd be more concerned about any mid sized player coming off and not blowing hard.
Looked like he had eaten 2 large pizzas before the game
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what, did he crumbs on the front of his jumper?