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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on October 07, 2010, 09:21:43 AM
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Would you delist any of them. The new Interchange rules need to be taken into account IMHO. How many rucks can we carry on our list?
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Nah definitely not, i think the new rule saves our butt in terms of ruck stocks. Vickery for mine is most likely to become a 2nd ruckman/fwd foil type and at this stage we dont know who (if any) of brown and gus will make it as a clear number 1. I'd be looking for another potential mobile 2nd ruck/stuff type.
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We need a quality ruckman. If we are to win a premiership any time in the near future we need a dominant ruckman.
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We need a quality ruckman. If we are to win a premiership any time in the near future we need a dominant ruckman.
Maybe so but we shouldn't be trading for one until the ones we have prove that they won't make it, we also shouldn't be focussing on taking one early in the draft unless they are simply the best available player at that pick
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We need a quality ruckman. If we are to win a premiership any time in the near future we need a dominant ruckman.
Agree but I would do it the Collingwood way - make it one of the last pieces of the puzzle and go hardcore for a proven ruckman when the window starts to open.
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We need a quality ruckman. If we are to win a premiership any time in the near future we need a dominant ruckman.
Agree but I would do it the Collingwood way - make it one of the last pieces of the puzzle and go hardcore for a proven ruckman when the window starts to open.
And Geelong and St Kilda and Sydney and Bulldogs and Carlton...
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Believe that we do need to give the existing rucks the chance to develop but if one comes up in the draft that is of high quality we would be foolish not to select that player
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Believe that we do need to give the existing rucks the chance to develop but if one comes up in the draft that is of high quality we would be foolish not to select that player
we would be foolish to not select Gorringe ahead of a mid @ 6?
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our ruck stocks are shizenhousen atm.
angus graham is a spud and has to go.
vickery is at l;east 2 or 3 seasons away from holding down a ruck spot there are no guarantees he will make it as a ruck in fact some signs are poor.
browne well we are in the same boat we wont know for another couple of seasons. who will put their hand up and say he will make it.
simply put to cover all bases and eventualities we are two ruckmen short and imo one of those ruckmen needs to be a decent mature type for the interim.
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Is Post being trialed as a Ruckman?
Just draft a young cub!
Simple!
:gotigers
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Doesnt really matter what our rucks are like at the moment we need what we have now and it wouldnt hurt to get one more IMHO. We havent had a decent ruckman/combination for as long as I can remember, maybe even back to the days of Stafford (was ok) and Ottens.
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browne well we are in the same boat we wont know for another couple of seasons. who will put their hand up and say he will make it.
Me. I reckon he will.
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browne well we are in the same boat we wont know for another couple of seasons. who will put their hand up and say he will make it.
Me. I reckon he will.
50/50 chance, I'm not greatly impressed so far with browne. But he is tall and talls take time.
In general I would get another ruckman this draft in case. Our ruck division is not much chop at this stage any or all of them could fail, I don't see an "obvious" good big man out of any of them, if any of them make it it will be due to work ethic not talent.
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one of the last pieces of the puzzle
go hardcore for a proven ruckman when the window starts to open.
agree with this
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one of the last pieces of the puzzle
go hardcore for a proven ruckman when the window starts to open.
agree with this
real smart clubs grow their own and stockpile. they then off load the ones they dont want often for very good picks. what have we to lose by taking another couple of ruckmen with a mid range to late nd pick and rookieing one.
sydneys two premiership ruckmen jolly and ball cost them picks 11 14 and 41. and they had them both for 5 yrs respectively. they then just last yr had to go out and pay picks 22 and 28 for mumford and seaby.
imo go hard for a good one with decent picks like we did with vickery but then turn over another 4 or 5 thru later picks and rookies in an attempt to find another one or two. we have done this to a small degree with graham and browne. the question with the 3 we have atm is will any of them make the grade.
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one of the last pieces of the puzzle
go hardcore for a proven ruckman when the window starts to open.
agree with this
real smart clubs grow their own and stockpile. they then off load the ones they dont want often for very good picks. what have we to lose by taking another couple of ruckmen with a mid range to late nd pick and rookieing one.
sydneys two premiership ruckmen jolly and ball cost them picks 11 14 and 41. and they had them both for 5 yrs respectively. they then just last yr had to go out and pay picks 22 and 28 for mumford and seaby.
imo go hard for a good one with decent picks like we did with vickery but then turn over another 4 or 5 thru later picks and rookies in an attempt to find another one or two. we have done this to a small degree with graham and browne. the question with the 3 we have atm is will any of them make the grade.
even smarter clubs win premierships or is what sydney, collingwood and geelong did wrong and a waste of picks?
cmon claw, 22 for mumford is a bloody steal he's going to be the best ruckman in the league and would take him ahead of every other ruckman in the afl. Jolly helped the swans and pies to a flag. So too Ottens with geelong. They are not wasted picks
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Dimma said on the radio pre-Adelaide game that Graham, Derickx and Browne are all fighting for that one ruck spot at this stage with Gus just in front.
So who do think is our No.1 ruckman heading into round 1?
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I would like to see Derickx get first crack at it
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Dimma said on the radio pre-Adelaide game that Graham, Derickx and Browne are all fighting for that one ruck spot at this stage with Gus just in front.
So who do think is our No.1 ruckman heading into round 1?
If Gus is "just in front" then things are really crook
Derickx has to get the gig - he's in fornt by a long way IMHO at least he can take a contested mark
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We just need to put some games into Derickx imho. With 5 weeks experience it will be Gus who?
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I hope derix...Gus is bloody hot and cold...doesnt look to have fiored a shot yet, whereas X was getting better ea game
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Dimma said on the radio pre-Adelaide game that Graham, Derickx and Browne are all fighting for that one ruck spot at this stage with Gus just in front.
So who do think is our No.1 ruckman heading into round 1?
If Gus is "just in front" then things are really crook
Derickx has to get the gig - he's in fornt by a long way IMHO at least he can take a contested mark
Gotta go with Derrickx, Vickery can help out as well. If we get desperate then Post and afew others can take a turn in there in R1. Gus and Browne havent fired a shot. Very Very Disappointing.
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one of the last pieces of the puzzle
go hardcore for a proven ruckman when the window starts to open.
agree with this
real smart clubs grow their own and stockpile. they then off load the ones they dont want often for very good picks. what have we to lose by taking another couple of ruckmen with a mid range to late nd pick and rookieing one.
sydneys two premiership ruckmen jolly and ball cost them picks 11 14 and 41. and they had them both for 5 yrs respectively. they then just last yr had to go out and pay picks 22 and 28 for mumford and seaby.
imo go hard for a good one with decent picks like we did with vickery but then turn over another 4 or 5 thru later picks and rookies in an attempt to find another one or two. we have done this to a small degree with graham and browne. the question with the 3 we have atm is will any of them make the grade.
even smarter clubs win premierships or is what sydney, collingwood and geelong did wrong and a waste of picks?
cmon claw, 22 for mumford is a bloody steal he's going to be the best ruckman in the league and would take him ahead of every other ruckman in the afl. Jolly helped the swans and pies to a flag. So too Ottens with geelong. They are not wasted picks
ah mumford was one i called for us to target. you may be right and for sure some clubs have benefitted greatly by trading into needs. but i reckon growing your own is the way to go.
the troublke is with ruckmen it is so hit and miss.
i have a mental blank with this kids name he went to wce at 29 or so geez i would have been happy to take him around there. sam jacobs anyone two yrs before adelaide got him i was adamant we should poach him.
seaby could only be an improvement on graham. moran was another who would be an upgrade and yeah he has struggled a little but i reckon he will get there.
will say the one im impressed with is simpson at geelong. the little ive seen the last yr or two i reckon he will be decent.
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Scott Lycett went at 29
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I would like to see Derickx get first crack at it
Will be interesting to watch this one, could become an inspired late pick.
:cheers
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Has Gus had a decent pre season?
He looks short of a run
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Gus= Soft
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Gus and Browne aren't modern day ruckman, sadly I can't see them being on the 2012 lists. They can't cover the ground well and are only apprenitice tap man at best. Both aren't overly good in a pack and aren't dead eye in front of goal.
Derickx had landed himself a gold mine and from what I've seen will be our number one ruckman for the next 5 years.
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Gus and Browne aren't modern day ruckman, sadly I can't see them being on the 2012 lists. They can't cover the ground well and are only apprenitice tap man at best. Both aren't overly good in a pack and aren't dead eye in front of goal.
Derickx had landed himself a gold mine and from what I've seen will be our number one ruckman for the next 5 years.
Its only a gold mine if he takes his opportunity. Theres been plenty of players over the journey who have never grasped there opportunity. He has to realise this is his chance to set himself up for life. Its his opportunity and its there for the taking. Question is how badly does he want to succeed?
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Gus and Browne aren't modern day ruckman, sadly I can't see them being on the 2012 lists. They can't cover the ground well and are only apprenitice tap man at best. Both aren't overly good in a pack and aren't dead eye in front of goal.
Derickx had landed himself a gold mine and from what I've seen will be our number one ruckman for the next 5 years.
I agree with Browne. He looks like an 80's plodder too lanky and slow a waste of time IMHO. I dunno about Graham doesn't he start slow and get better as the year progresses?
From what I've seen so far I'd go with Derrickx.
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Gus= Soft
Yep. Wuss Graham.
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Graham reminds me of Greg Dear.
Browne reminds me of a combination of Robert Schaefer and Ty Esler mixed in with a dash of David Honybun.
Yep the two boys are ruckmen of a bygone era.
Give Derickx the nod first up. :thumbsup
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Isn't Leuenberger out of contract?
We should pick him off the Brisbane carcas.
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I'd prefer Mitch Clarke.
And Derrickx didn't look any better at Coburg.
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Either of those two would be massive upgrades.
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Clarke prefers CHF to the ruck and wants to get his ass back to WA
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Zac Clark from Freo?
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I'd prefer Mitch Clarke.
And Derrickx didn't look any better at Coburg.
Derrickx played like he had the painters in.
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Zac Clark from Freo?
hard to take serious
(http://images.smh.com.au/2009/11/16/862599/gal-9-600x400.jpg)
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think he's in a hall & oates cover band
also contracted until 2013, not that that's a huge stumbling block
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Looks like Jack with an afro and a tan.
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That bloke looks like he should be playing NBA
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Zac Clark from Freo?
yep can see a warnock situation repeating itself with this bloke. still as a ways to go but should become a very agile athletic ruckman.
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Scott Lycett went at 29
thats the one as good a pick as any around that mark.went to wce at that pick. we use pick 27 and 31 and we look after needs.
why would wce spend such a high pick on a ruckman when they have cox and natanui.
the point here is we have 4 so called ruckmen but surely those at the club can see both graham and browne will be nothing more than battlers and derickx is a long shot. one can also legitimally ask is tyrone vickery a ruckman. we are in rebuild there is nothing wrong with loading up with 5 or 6 of one type to find a need.
as for collingwood yes they traded for jolley but in saying that they are looking to grow their own as well. they have 5 ruckmen on their list. people forget when they traded for jolly they had made finals 4 yrs in a row and just come of a preliminary final. their window was well and truly open and it was a must they go out and find a competetive ruckman. they gave up their first rnd pick to fill that need.
im not against trading for a ready made player but i also believe like collingwood you need to try and grow your own in the interim.
geelong have had ottens and king play pivitol roles in their premierships but have had blake simpson west mumford etc come thru their system.i like simpson but believe it was a mistake keeping blake and trading mumford. trading away surplus players has actually kept a successful geelong team well and truly involved in the draft with surplus 2nd and 3rd rnd picks.
we should be doing everything we can to grow our own. if that fails and we become a top 4 side then by all means go out and trade for one.
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think he's in a hall & oates cover band
;D
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we should be doing everything we can to grow our own. if that fails and we become a top 4 side then by all means go out and trade for one.
Yep, the other side of that is that I reckon a good side can make an average ruckman look like a great one.
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why would wce spend such a high pick on a ruckman when they have cox and natanui.
Because Cox isn't far from retirement? Once Cox retires Lycett will have had a few years development and can step right in as NicNat's #2
Considering we wanted both Darling & Lycett, it would have been interesting to see who Francis Jackson would have picked if he had both available.
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This thread will get bumped up most weeks but another game another spanking in the ruck. BrownE tried all day but a second-stringer like Seaby was made to look like Simon Madden :P. That other sad thing is the Swans have their first choice ruckman in Mumford to come back in while we are desperately searching for at least one quality ruckman :P.
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Zac Clark from Freo?
hard to take serious
(http://images.smh.com.au/2009/11/16/862599/gal-9-600x400.jpg)
this guy looks a little like that black guy from "welcome back cotter" or maybe not lol.
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This thread will get bumped up most weeks but another game another spanking in the ruck. BrownE tried all day but a second-stringer like Seaby was made to look like Simon Madden :P. That other sad thing is the Swans have their first choice ruckman in Mumford to come back in while we are desperately searching for at least one quality ruckman :P.
to be fair browne is 21 yoa.
Seaby is 27 yoa.
Seaby was proper shyte when browne age.
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
Only right thing he's said in his media career
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It's akin to rehursing a band without a drummer
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
Only right thing he's said in his media career
But even a half wit could work that out - as king's statement proves
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I think we have shown that as a club we fail at developing Ruckmen! The only one who came close was Ottens and we never seen his full potential! The only decent rucks i can recall having were traded to us like Staff and Simmonds!
Can anyone think of a decent ruckman we have drafted and developed? Benny Gale?
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Norf saying McIntosh going nowhere
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Same David King that said we would make the 8 a few weeks ago?
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The 8? He said, and I quote
"Richmond are a LOCK for TOP 6"
muppet
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Media are speculating that Will Minson is likely going to be traded by the Bulldogs
Anyone think it's worth looking at as a short term solution?
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a shotgun is a short term solution
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Bugger Minson, let's get Roughhead! He is running around in the Magoo's and fits our mold perfectly...
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Yeah didn't mind the look of Roughhead from the few times i've seen him
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That's why I was advocating getting Blake in the event of failing to do better anywhere else because at least he would be competitive at clearances.
I don't think we can go on with the ruck set up we have and get anywhere.
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Blake is a tap ruckman and would at least guarantee us first use of the ball if we recruited him unlike the duds we have got now
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
Agree.
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Yep, we really need a decent ruckman and Trengove. Trengove and Vickory to pinch hit in the ruck, Vicks to play forward and Trengove to play back. But we must get a ruckman.
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I don't think we can go on with the ruck set up we have and get anywhere.
i stuffing know we can't!
Told u all at the start of the year but no idiot wanted to listen.
"Oh-we'll be fine - we have some great young developing types.bla bla bla.
stuffing spastics
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For me the question is, and I hate to say it this way as Im still young enough NOT to see a successful Richmond side, but would we get more benefit of looking for a key ruckmen next year as opposed to this year? Outside of maybe Bellchambers (who Im not sold on is the answer, though better than current) and Zac Clarke (same as Bellchambers) is there anyone we have a legitimate chance of getting? Dunno if Trengove is a ruckman. Don't think Clarke is worth the money we'd have to pay him. MacIntosh maybe - but I doubt we will get him. Still holding onto hope that a fully fit Derickx with a full pre-season could be the guy... But again, too many questions.
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How about Ivan Maric from the crows not getting a game this season and is from victoria dont mind him.
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Crazy Ivan?
How about Leuenberger? Give him a 5 year $4m contract and all the free chicken poo he wants
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
According to a caller on SEN today, David King also said that we would win up to 14 games per year if we had a top quality ruckman (he expects us to finish with 8 wins this year btw).
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
According to a caller on SEN today, David King also said that we would win up to 14 games per year if we had a top quality ruckman (he expects us to finish with 8 wins this year btw).
According to me David King is a flog. I expect he will continue to be one in the future btw.
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
According to a caller on SEN today, David King also said that we would win up to 14 games per year if we had a top quality ruckman (he expects us to finish with 8 wins this year btw).
didn't david say not to long ago we will play kangaroos for a final spot.
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
According to a caller on SEN today, David King also said that we would win up to 14 games per year if we had a top quality ruckman (he expects us to finish with 8 wins this year btw).
According to me David King is a flog. I expect he will continue to be one in the future btw.
;D :clapping
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
According to a caller on SEN today, David King also said that we would win up to 14 games per year if we had a top quality ruckman (he expects us to finish with 8 wins this year btw).
didn't david say not to long ago we will play kangaroos for a final spot.
And just before that he said we were deadset "certs" for the 8
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Media are speculating that Will Minson is likely going to be traded by the Bulldogs
Anyone think it's worth looking at as a short term solution?
yep hes worth a look. has to be an upgrade on any ruckman we have and thus would improve the list and raise the bar. it may be in 3 yrs time we have to move him on but hopefully by then vickery has established himself, now that is being hopeful as i dont see vickery as a no1 ruckman i dont think he has the right mindset or body type to play ruck more a pinch hitter in the role.i hope im wrong and he becomes a fine ruckman.
i reckon we are at a stage where we do a sydney or stkilda go out and get a couple of mature ruckmen but if we do that, we must invest in the draft and hopefully find a long term solution or two.
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David King (yeah I know) last night on 3aw said Richmond couldn't afford to wait until our list matures to then go after a mature decent ruckman. Instead we need to go after one this year because if we don't it will hinder the development of our talented young midfielders such as Martin.
According to a caller on SEN today, David King also said that we would win up to 14 games per year if we had a top quality ruckman (he expects us to finish with 8 wins this year btw).
didn't david say not to long ago we will play kangaroos for a final spot.
And just before that he said we were deadset "certs" for the 8
The man is a living douche
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Thought Ty did a servicable job tonight but we really missed him forward.
Big Griff showed he might fill that spot before too long though, and I think Post can be a 3rd option.
Still think we should trade our first pick and Foley for Blake.
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Blake?
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All our players can be shut out of a game.
End of club!
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Ty was very serviceable tonight and I thought he did a good job.
Griffiths I thought was serviceable as well and just makes me wonder a fit and potent forward line with Griff Jack and Ty with a decent ruckman giving first use of the ball to our boys.
Ty tonight did alot better than Gus and Browne combined that's the sad truth unfortunantely.
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Thought Ty did a servicable job tonight but we really missed him forward.
Big Griff showed he might fill that spot before too long though, and I think Post can be a 3rd option.
Still think we should trade our first pick and Foley for Blake.
first pick and Foley for Blake
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I wouldnt touch Blake with my left testy. He is rubbish
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Thought Ty did a servicable job tonight but we really missed him forward.
Big Griff showed he might fill that spot before too long though, and I think Post can be a 3rd option.
Still think we should trade our first pick and Foley for Blake.
first pick and Foley for Blake
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I wouldnt touch Blake with my left testy. He is rubbish
If we give Foley for Blake then the Club needs to board all the windows abandon Punt Rd Oval and let the drunks who hang around the rail bridge near the Corner Hotel on Swan St to go there and use the facilities as lair to light their bongs. FJ would need to be hung drawn quartered and then eighth sixteenth and thirty second.
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We looked better with him there today,but when he wasnt there the dons had a training drill we couldnt even win a tap out or clearance and you have the best midfield there.This is starting to kill us not having a decent ruckman bad.
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Its stuffing ridiculous.
An embarrassment as well.
Only club in the comp who havent developed even a 2nd rate ruck man.
We have a Pear from Mansfield who can have a career after footy charging idiots 10 bucks
to come and see him laying naked in a cage and Gus.
We won more games with Gus in....
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first pick and Foley for Blake
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I wouldnt touch Blake with my left testy. He is rubbish
Not sure I would have used the example Daniel but I agree with you anyway. :)
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this thread is called "our rucks"
never thought we had any
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Thought Ty did a servicable job tonight but we really missed him forward.
Big Griff showed he might fill that spot before too long though, and I think Post can be a 3rd option.
Still think we should trade our first pick and Foley for Blake.
first pick and Foley for Blake
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I wouldnt touch Blake with my left testy. He is rubbish
Blake is slightly better than Browne. Getting him would be a dumber decision than getting Kent Kingsley to the club. WE WANT A MOBILE RUCKMAN.
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Brent Renouf?
Rookie draft