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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 12, 2010, 10:48:47 AM
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Craig Cameron was on SEN with KB a short while ago.....
* Disappointed we weren't able to get a deal done with Houli. We'll sit down and decide to get him either via the National draft or PSD. It'll depend on who will be available in the PSD.
* Role in trade week was to improve the picks and bolster the midfield stock with players with a good engine and be able to play in other positions given the new substitute rule. We wanted to bring in guys (Grigg and Houli) who were in the similar age bracket to the guys we already have.
* Carlton asked for Collins. Some players stated that if they were to be offered to be traded the Tigers should pursue it.
* Foley - trade talk was rubbish.
* KB asked if we would use pick 6 on Cloke if Travis goes into the National draft. Cameron said he'll have to ask Francis Jackson but we're more likely to go for youth.
* Brad Miller - he's still considering what he wants to do but eventually wants to become a coach. Jack carried too much of the load up forward this year as our other talls are still very young. Insurance if Jack and Griffiths go down.
* Tambling - wanted a fresh start. Put on too much pressure on himself and wasn't enjoying his footy.
* Next year to improve we need our guys drafted from last year to take the next step. Expectations for next year is to improve and then target finals in 2012.
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I realise it fits in with the club's 3-0-75 plan to play finals in 2012 but that's an over-optimistic prediction for mine given where we are at with such a young list. I wish the club wouldn't even mention the f-word until we actually make them.
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I realise it fits in with the club's 3-0-75 plan to play finals in 2012 but that's an over-optimistic prediction for mine given where we are at with such a young list. I wish the club wouldn't even mention the f-word until we actually make them.
Agree, would be nice if it happens but it is such a young list.
F word should be banned from RFC vocab to the media.
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I'm happy for the club the set goals the way they have. It gives everybody something by which to gauge progress.
Personally I dont think it's that unreasonable to expect to be playing finals in 2012.
The core of our playing group is the 20-24 year olds. we've added one more bigger body in this group already, a good chance to add one more in houli and possibly a few more via the drafts.
Will probably see a few more added next year via trades/draft and by 2012, all going to plan should have a core group of 22-26 year olds with at least a couple of seasons under their belts.
Depending on how much the implemention of phase 2 sets them back initially and a good run with injury/suspension we are a chance to make up the numbers come september next year. Luck will play a part though.
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Setting goals is the corner stone of almost everything in life, I understand some Tiger faitfuls apprehesion in this considering the past 30 years. But time to move on this is the new dawn, we must have quantative measures in place to see if we are going in the right direction. I am hoping to be at the least bluddy close in 2012 and 2013 expecting the F word.
We have the list/stucture in place to make these predictions plausible, so why not! Go for it Tiges and hold on people here we go :gotigers
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im aiming for finals next year. :)
what of it?
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I realise it fits in with the club's 3-0-75 plan to play finals in 2012 but that's an over-optimistic prediction for mine given where we are at with such a young list. I wish the club wouldn't even mention the f-word until we actually make them.
came onto this thread to say the same thing
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im aiming for finals next year. :)
what of it?
Wouldn't surprise me if we made it at all
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No probs with the Club setting goals but keep them internally. Stating them publicly when your second last, haven't made finals in almost a decade and have a very young and still raw list comes across as hollow. Statements like these have come back to bite us in the past such as Greg Miller stating publicly in 2005 that 2007 would be our year as far as finals :P. It's way too early to start mentioning the f-word. While a number of our mids will be hitting their prime with 50-100+ games under their belt, our KPPs on our list apart from Jack are still raw and we are still judging them based on their potential rather than output let alone elite output. It's putting a lot of expectations on our future spine before they are likely to be ready.....
McGuane (70 games)
Jack (68 games)
Thursty (66 games)
Thursty (66) looks to be on the way out and McGuane even after 70 games is questionable.
Rance (25 games)
Astbury (17 games)
Post (14 games)
Griffiths (5 games)
Gourdis (3 games)
Grimes (1 game)
Westhoff (0 games)
the same with our rucks ...
Graham (33 games)
Vickery (23 games)
Browne (5 games)
The one positive is of course Jack two years ago looked a fair way off - 26 games after his first two seasons and kicked just 18 goals fom 18 games in 2008. A massive bonus if most of the above rise to such heights as quickly as Jack has.
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didn't he say finals in ...2012? still two seasons to run before that
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im aiming for finals next year. :)
what of it?
say it loud say it proud willy bee
in a comp where half the teams make the finals, you should be aiming to make them every year, or go close during a rebuild
have some stuffing pride
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If we are NOT aiming for the finals in 2012 I may be very tempted to jump off the Eureka Skydeck.
10 to 13 wins is not an unrealistic expectation for 2012....we won 6 games this year after being compared to Fitzroy.
Hawks won 13 games plus a final in Clarksons 3rd year.
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I realise it fits in with the club's 3-0-75 plan to play finals in 2012 but that's an over-optimistic prediction for mine given where we are at with such a young list. I wish the club wouldn't even mention the f-word until we actually make them.
Totally agree MT, we had no pressure on us before that comment, now the press and supporter base have something to hold him to. Pure idiocy. We have 1 Forward, Jack Reiwoldt. All the rest are really young kids. We kicked the least amount of goals than any team in the competition and we had the second most goals kicked on us this season. We came second last, we were damn lucky we didn't come last. We have a mile of development to go yet. We should improve next year hopefully we can finish around position 12-13. Remember we were beaten by 50+ on several occassions this year. Cameron the idiot doesn't need to talk about finals all he needs to do is to reaffirm that progress is being made and the confidence is high. Talk about setting up your supporter base for a loss. Craig Cameron you are the weakist link, NEXT.
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so what happens when we dont make finals in 2012? bc we absolutely won't.
Going to be a lot of angry tiger fans bleating that they were promised finals, the media will have a feast with Dimma, Gale and the footy dpt, the club will panic and go into meltdown like they always do. This comment couldve waited till next season where we will have a real insght to where we are at.
Blight, Matthews and Malthouse have all said that you cannot exactly plan for success, ie finals in 3 years, flag in 5 etc, you build towards it and then take it with both hands when it comes bc is not an exact science and is directly influenced by a lot of mitigating circumstances that all need to go right.
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garbage, I dont believe that for a minuet, plenty of sides have made great strides...look at freo's progress in 2010 after finishing third bottom in 2009...we must be aiming high rather than pre-empt every season with failure ::)
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Correct me if Im wrong but Craig Cameron said the club was aiming to make the finals in 2012 NOT guaranteeing finals.
Whats wrong with setting goals and a bit of optimism ?
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No no we must not hope to make finals for the next decade or it will put pressure on our delicate flowers lol
FINALS should be a goal every year ! Finals should not be a bugbear it should be a annual event, a birthright for Richmond players. Grandfinals are not won by the timid.
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Doesnt out team song say "we're strong and we're bold" ?
It seems that there is a divide here that follows the divide the tanking debate creates. Those that think you need to loose to be successful seem to be afraid to aim for success.
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so what happens when we dont make finals in 2012? bc we absolutely won't.
Going to be a lot of angry tiger fans bleating that they were promised finals, the media will have a feast with Dimma, Gale and the footy dpt, the club will panic and go into meltdown like they always do. This comment couldve waited till next season where we will have a real insght to where we are at.
Blight, Matthews and Malthouse have all said that you cannot exactly plan for success, ie finals in 3 years, flag in 5 etc, you build towards it and then take it with both hands when it comes bc is not an exact science and is directly influenced by a lot of mitigating circumstances that all need to go right.
Whos says we won't?
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No no we must not hope to make finals for the next decade or it will put pressure on our delicate flowers lol
FINALS should be a goal every year ! Finals should not be a bugbear it should be a annual event, a birthright for Richmond players. Grandfinals are not won by the timid.
mate we've played in 2 finals series since 82! and you're talking about grand finals and a birthrght to play finals? :lol
After everything we've been through, all the bull.poo false dawns and rubbish propaganda from our club, i dont think its unreasonable to suggest waiting until the 2nd year of a rebuild that will include a turnover of 23-24 players to get a realistic look at where we are at. How many of last years draftees will make it? this years? what if its less than 50% which is quite possible, in that case there'll be no finals in 2012 or 2013 you can bank on that. Watch the ferals go at it then.
finals? - unrealistic much?
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bollocks
plenty of poo sides play finals and plenty of rebuilding sides make it or just miss out
stop being such a bunch of stuffing losers
frankly, if hardwick and co can't pull a rabble of misfits together to at least play 1 final in the next two years then they are in the wrong caper
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Supposedly according to Terry Wallace at the 07 season launch we should be primed for a premiership next year. :help
Keep the goals realistic. I just will go back to what Ben Cousins said after the Brisbane game. The first baby steps are great which is were we are at now.
Finals 2012 difficult but not impossible and if things happen to fast track themselves great and if they don't and they happen in a more realistic time frame great also.
Lets just leave it at that and lets hope the club don't flap their lips at any stage over the next few years if we win 4 or so games in a row at some stage minus the horror start we had this year. Need to keep our feet on the ground. Don't want any premature ejaculation like some poor teenager where they replay and replay the deed in their mind and never get to experience the real thing. ;D
In footy terms we aren't stiff yet. ;D
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bollocks
plenty of poo sides play finals and plenty of rebuilding sides make it or just miss out
so why dont we? :rollin
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bollocks
plenty of poo sides play finals and plenty of rebuilding sides make it or just miss out
stop being such a bunch of effing losers
frankly, if hardwick and co can't pull a rabble of misfits together to at least play 1 final in the next two years then they are in the wrong caper
2012 should be the year we finish 7-10 realistically. If we make finals great if we don't but we continue to develop even better.
2013 is the launch pad where we may take that jump to finish somewhere from 3-7 or even higher depending on the eveness of the competition that year if there are no standouts.
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bollocks
plenty of poo sides play finals and plenty of rebuilding sides make it or just miss out
so why dont we? :rollin
i wish i stuffing knew :lol
my guess is someone at the club fingerbanged caro as a teenager and we've been cursed ever since her nipples started to harden and her gums peeled back to reveal a serpent's skull
she needs to be burned and the spot where it happened needs to be cleansed by a jungle priest
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No no we must not hope to make finals for the next decade or it will put pressure on our delicate flowers lol
FINALS should be a goal every year ! Finals should not be a bugbear it should be a annual event, a birthright for Richmond players. Grandfinals are not won by the timid.
What he said!
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Who do we know who was at the club a while ago that could have done that awful deed
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bollocks
plenty of poo sides play finals and plenty of rebuilding sides make it or just miss out
so why dont we? :rollin
i wish i effing knew :lol
my guess is someone at the club fingerbanged caro as a teenager and we've been cursed ever since her nipples started to harden and her gums peeled back to reveal a serpent's skull
she needs to be burned and the spot where it happened needs to be cleansed by a jungle priest
:lol
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it was KB the filthy perv
as an Immortal his fingerbanging was far too powerful, it was like He-Man joining swords with Skeletor
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Nothing wrong with aiming for finals in 2012. If we don't make it we don't make it i think Dimma and the players can deal with this even if those outside the club will insist on reminding us.
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mate we've played in 2 finals series since 82! and you're talking about grand finals and a birthrght to play finals? :lol
After everything we've been through, all the bull.poo false dawns and rubbish propaganda from our club, i dont think its unreasonable to suggest waiting until the 2nd year of a rebuild that will include a turnover of 23-24 players to get a realistic look at where we are at. How many of last years draftees will make it? this years? what if its less than 50% which is quite possible, in that case there'll be no finals in 2012 or 2013 you can bank on that. Watch the ferals go at it then.
finals? - unrealistic much?
I understand the fear of verbalising it TM but we have to get on the front foot. We have to put all the demons to bed and let the football world know that this club is not scared, is not full of air, is intent on backing itself, and is here to stay. It's like not wanting to play a club twice in a season because they are a bogey club. Our attitude should now be to take them on a third and a fourth time if that was possible. We don't have to gob off but we do have to stand up and face our future head-on - and talking of finals as our goal is a part of that. As a supporter I'm so sick and tired of our club running scared of everything, trying to be politically and 'sensitivity' correct with every word and action that emanates from it. I'd rather them fail by being loud and aggressive and overly ambitious than have to suffer any more of the past 30 years of following them. Tell them all we are going at the finals as soon as we can as hard as we can and stuff the consequences. Bring it on. :gotigers
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haha you guysss :rollin... What makes more sense to
1) We really will play finals in 2012
OR
2) They want membership for the next two years ... People wouldnt want to buy a membership if there team is just going to lose for the next 3 years.
Just liek tehy did two years ago when teh ysaid we would play finals and we had a massive membership in counting tehn we got BELTED by teh Carltanks :thumbsup
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I could see us playing finals easily in 2012. I would not be surprised to see us sneak in next year at all when you consider how well so many first year players went this year. Another preseason some injured seniors back in, the messiahs plan will tighten up...mwahahaha
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Correct me if Im wrong but Craig Cameron said the club was aiming to make the finals in 2012 NOT guaranteeing finals.
Whats wrong with setting goals and a bit of optimism ?
No club can guarantee finals in any year, just have a look at Hawthorn dropping out of the 8 last year after winning the flag the year before
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for sure Infamy, but a statement of intent is no biggy imo. I can understand being timid in the past, it went with have a largely timid and inadequate list. We had a few blokes with the yokes on doing the heavy lifting and the rest were literally being brushed aside imo. There was very little respect around for us. I think the attitude towards us has changed, as well as the attitude of the team itself.