One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 17, 2010, 03:59:02 PM
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Countdown to D-Day
afl.com.au
Sat 16 Oct, 2010
RICHMOND
NAB AFL Draft selections: 6, 29, 46, 50, 63, plus end-of-round-one compensation selection (Nathan Bock)
Delistings and retirements: Andrew Collins (Carlton), Ben Cousins, Troy Simmonds, Richard Tambling (Adelaide)
Additions: Shaun Grigg (Carlton)
Approach:
Having picked up Shaun Grigg from Carlton in trade week, and with disgruntled Essendon midfielder Bachar Houli expected to come on board in the pre-season draft, the Tigers have plenty of midfield depth. What they need most is a tall defender with good skills who can help out Chris Newman in the backline. With Tyrone Vickery taking time to prove himself, a young ruckman would be another handy addition.
Dream selection:
Skilful South Australian wingman Jared Polec is a likely contender to be taken by the Tigers with pick six, but given that they need a ruckman, Norwood beanpole Daniel Gorringe shapes as another genuine possibility.
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Other Clubs:
4. West Coast: Andrew Gaff
5. Brisbane: Andrew Gaff or Dyson Heppell
8. Essendon: Shaun Atley
12. Melbourne: Kieran Harper
14. Adelaide: Jared Polec likely to be gone so Brodie Smith or Ben Jacobs.
15. Geelong: Pat McCarthy
16. Port Adel: Scott Lycett, Brodie Smith, Ben Jacobs, Luke Parker or Jayden Pitt
17. North Melb: Isaac Smith. Shaun Atley or Brodie Smith if still around.
18. Carlton: Matt Watson or Patrick McCarthy or if both gone Jack Darling
19. Hawthorn: Jed Lamb or Matt Watson
20. Fremantle: Luke Parker
21. Sydney: Pat McCarthy if still around. Seb Tape or forward Jack Darling if he slides
24. St Kilda: Josh Green
44. Collingwood: Ben Newton or Luke Mitchell
74. W.Bulldogs: Max Otten.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104173/default.aspx
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Dream selection:
Skilful South Australian wingman Jared Polec is a likely contender to be taken by the Tigers with pick six, but given that they need a ruckman, Norwood beanpole Daniel Gorringe shapes as another genuine possibility.
nahhh i prefer Harper or Atley thank you, if we lost thursty then i would have considered it :thumbsup
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Wouldn't be upset with Gorringe, but am hoping for Harper
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is this list an insight into whats going to happen or just an AFL.com writters opinon ? ? ? ?
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I think it is a true psychic premonition
Get on it and lay your bets
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Sean Atley I think is ahead of Polec or Harper.
Couldn't go wrong with these 3 but I have a slight man crush on Atley and think he has match winner tag on him.
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Atley or Heppel please.
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If we take a ruck with pick six ill be friggen mad unless they are the next Polly Farmer.
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If we take a ruck with pick six ill be friggen mad unless they are the next Polly Farmer.
What he said!
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Josh Caddy-He compares himself with Dustin Martin. He will make our midfield dangerous
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If we take a ruck with pick six ill be friggen mad unless they are the next Polly Farmer.
Couldn't possibly pick a 2nd ruckman with a 1st rounder in the space of 3 drafts. Wont happen hopefully
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If we take a ruck with pick six ill be friggen mad unless they are the next Polly Farmer.
Couldn't possibly pick a 2nd ruckman with a 1st rounder in the space of 3 drafts. Wont happen hopefully
Gorringe is the only ruck candidate we'd look at with Pick 6 and he's considered a CHF option as well as a ruckman.
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midfielders are gold...you can always trade for a ruckman. Just ask the pies with Jolly or even the swans who lost Jolly and picked up the mummy.
Whilst I have respect for TV, ziebel and sidebottom had had more immediate impact.
Please get the best available at pick 6 and trade for needs later as blair hartley said.
won't happen but wish gaff would slide to us
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Yet on the other hand, if you have multiple quality ruckmen you can always trade them for good picks in future drafts. Decent ones will often land you a 1st & 2nd rounder. Now granted you would rather trade away your rookie ruckmen, but you can get a decent return from their development.
At the end of the day, we simply need to take the best available.
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Infamy I agree that you can trade them for decent picks..ala Pies gave away pick 14 for cameron wood in 07 and then again pick 16 for Jolly in 09, obviously their recruiting manager had no qualms about trading away first round picks for a ruckman and then unearthed a kid like beams at #29 or whatever number he was
but it takes soooo long to develop a decent ruckman
smaller players come in and can have an immediate impact
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Infamy I agree that you can trade them for decent picks..ala Pies gave away pick 14 for cameron wood in 07 and then again pick 16 for Jolly in 09, obviously their recruiting manager had no qualms about trading away first round picks for a ruckman and then unearthed a kid like beams at #29 or whatever number he was
but it takes soooo long to develop a decent ruckman
smaller players come in and can have an immediate impact
That's a very short term view
As Blair Hartley said on that RFC chat, draft for talent, trade for need
Take the best talent available and if you still have holes on your list then target specific players
That is the way it should be and in no way should we be discriminating who we take at our pick other than them being the best available
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Infamy, I said best available for pick 6 and referred to Blair's comments - scroll up.
In my view the TV pick was a draft for needs pick and not best available talent at that time, as RFC knew that TV would not be there at pick 26. IMHO zieball or sidebottom were better talents at TV's pick.
Let me be clear that I am not knocking the TV pick. I think Tyrone has shown enough in his 20 plus games to suggest he will be a very good long term player for RFC but will not be hitting his straps for a couple of years yet. Also, the new substitution rule may hinder his development as a ruckman as RFC may opt to only play 1 ruckman with a shane tuck or a post doing the back up ruck work. Where would that leave TV?
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In my view the TV pick was a draft for needs pick and not best available talent at that time, as RFC knew that TV would not be there at pick 26. IMHO zieball or sidebottom were better talents at TV's pick.
I disagree, Vickery showed plenty in his final U18 year to warrant his selection at Pick 8 especially as he was coming back from a knee reco. He was seriously considered by Port Adelaide with Pick 4 and would have been taken if Hartlett was gone. He outrucked Naitanui in the U18 champs and showed he could also play forward.
There is a couple of Ziebell or Sidebottom type midfielders available in the Top 10-20 of every draft, there's not always a quality ruckman, especially when we were in dire need of one getting him with 8 was completely justified and was in no way a reach.
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Have to agree with infamy on this one as the buzz around Vickery at the time was that he was the best available come our pick and we were delighted that he made it through to us. Personally I think he is building nicely and we have nothing to worry about. He is quite mobile and has excellent hands so he will be far more versatile for us than your traditional plank type ruckman who will be affected by the new interchange rules.
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best is yet to come with this
kid and he likes to box on.... :rollin
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aren't there question marks over atley's kicking?
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Think the TV pick was perfect at the time for both the need and talent issue. Hopefully his development continues next season would love to start seeing some grunt.
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My preference is Gaff followed by Heppell if unavailable.