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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 01, 2010, 03:25:46 PM
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Next up is Benny Nason.
Benny in his debut season played 19 games with best efforts against Hawthorn in R8 (20 possies), Eagles in R12 (16 and 3 goals) and another bag of 3 against Port Adelaide in the wet in round 10.
Games Kicks Hballs Disps (con.) Marks Tackles G.B 1st Clear In50 R50 1%ers
2010 19 7.5 4.4 11.9 (4.4) 3.4 2.5 14.3 0.2 0.3 2.6 0.9 2.7
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1971&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2010071
How did we all rate Nason's first year of AFL?
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Rate him a 6.
To get the output we did from a very late pick was outstanding. Can run and run and run.
Hopefully he gets onto the muscle builder milkshakes and adds a bit of bulk.
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Hopefully he gets onto the muscle builder milkshakes and adds a bit of bulk.
... or grows his hair REALLY long and turns into a blonde John Platten. I'd settle for that. :thumbsup
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For where he was taken and his level of development - 8
Overall output - 6
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One that think will go backwards next year.
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he just runs and runs...and he seems to know where to run. I liked the way he could often find space on the pockets/flanks to bring the ball out of defence. He reminds me of dale thomas in this respect.
As he adjusted to the pace his disposal improved
The question is, as it is with all the first year players who got regular games, can he continue to improve to get to the level we want or will he stagnate over the next couple of years?
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One that think will go backwards next year.
Given the term 2nd year blues exists it would hardly be out of the norm if he did
He has the work ethic that would seem to defy this though, so will be interesting to see how he goes
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Don't think he Is in best 22 players tbh
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Gets a 6 from me.
Smart young player, good attitude, tougher than he looks & has a great tank.
Nase is a large reason Tambling & even Collins find themselves elsewhere.
Thought he was fantastic early in the year but faded a little towards years end after a heavy knock to the face.
Entirely understandable coming from where he was at.
No cert to be anything more than a solid footsoldier but I think he's a little ripper and expect him to spend more time in the middle in 2011. Still has room for improvement.
Go Nase!
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I may seem a little harsh on Ben but if you are playing for the Tigers, regardless what number you were drafted, or how skinny you are, you must do one very simple thing and not go to ground when you are involved in a contest. And Ben goes to ground more than any other AFL footballer i have ever seen!
I know he is skinny and weak and got picked up very late in the draft but its a sign that he has no confidence when he goes to ground just as a safety thing. And even more frustrating than that is DH just kept playing him when clearly the kid had had enough.
I would be very surprized if he played much in 2011.
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One of the highlights of 2010 for mine
Will be interesting to see how he goes in 2011. Personally I am expecting steady improvement
7 from me :gotigers
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I gave him a seven given where he came from and what he achieved. I think he has already had his down patch, seemed to tire at the end of the year. I think he will be even better next year with another preseason under his belt, he has some solid skills and a great tank. He will be keen to prove he isn't just a stop gap, short term pick imo.
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For his first year 8.5, great pick up for us. He has shown what he can do, now its up to him and the Training staff to improve on this.
I thought he had more attack on the footy than most, very keen young man exactly what we need at the club at this moment in time.
Brilliant go Nase :clapping
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What I like about Ben is the way he is getting everything he can from himself. That alone is a quality important in a list with unfulfilled talent. The Swans are great example of getting the best from their players - Kieren Jack, Kennedy and McGlynn all top 5 in the B&F through hard work and maximized application of their talent.
It might be infectious and spread to others ie Post and Connors who appear to be under utilized.
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Gave him a 5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 5. Probably wasn't quite as impressed with his season as some others appear to be i don't think getting 15 possies as a somewhat unaccountable wingman is that impressive if your opponent is getting 25. However, did kick some big goals for us provided some run often being the first released from a rebound from the 50 and for his first year it was a very solid perfomance. Don't think he is in our best 22 currently and don't see him becoming a regular in it but definately a good player to have on the list pushing others to perform and i hope his potential is higher than my expectations :thumbsup
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Capable of kicking goals. A real plus. Tired towards end of season. Good attitude. Hopefully continues to improve next year.
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Is a running machine with lovely footskills but I'm uncertai wether he will still be in our best side in the future. Of course I never thought King would be either so if he can continue to improve, strengthen and find a spot in the side I will be one of the first to congratulate him.
One thing Nason does do well is show that hard work will be rewarded and adds a significant amount of pressure on other players around him to train hard or they will lose their place to players who may not have the same potential upside as they do. This in itself is a huge plus for Nason being about and getting a game for mine :cheers
Good luck Nase and keep fightig to improve!
Stripes
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Gave him a 7
Tired a bit at the end but geez you can't ask for much more from pick 70 odd.
Kicked some goals too which is good.
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Reminds me of an early Dale Morris, hopefully can become a similar player.
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Gave him a 5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 5. Probably wasn't quite as impressed with his season as some others appear to be i don't think getting 15 possies as a somewhat unaccountable wingman is that impressive if your opponent is getting 25. However, did kick some big goals for us provided some run often being the first released from a rebound from the 50 and for his first year it was a very solid perfomance. Don't think he is in our best 22 currently and don't see him becoming a regular in it but definately a good player to have on the list pushing others to perform and i hope his potential is higher than my expectations :thumbsup
3, needs to be a lot more involved
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Gave him a 5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 5. Probably wasn't quite as impressed with his season as some others appear to be i don't think getting 15 possies as a somewhat unaccountable wingman is that impressive if your opponent is getting 25. However, did kick some big goals for us provided some run often being the first released from a rebound from the 50 and for his first year it was a very solid perfomance. Don't think he is in our best 22 currently and don't see him becoming a regular in it but definately a good player to have on the list pushing others to perform and i hope his potential is higher than my expectations :thumbsup
3, needs to be a lot more involved
Nason's season rated a 3 lol
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Reminds me of an early Dale Morris, hopefully can become a similar player.
as in Dale Morris from the bulldogs? ???
He will never be a dale morris type, morris is a 190cm super quick hard nosed tank backman. Predator will never have those physical traits
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Gave him a 5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 5. Probably wasn't quite as impressed with his season as some others appear to be i don't think getting 15 possies as a somewhat unaccountable wingman is that impressive if your opponent is getting 25. However, did kick some big goals for us provided some run often being the first released from a rebound from the 50 and for his first year it was a very solid perfomance. Don't think he is in our best 22 currently and don't see him becoming a regular in it but definately a good player to have on the list pushing others to perform and i hope his potential is higher than my expectations :thumbsup
3, needs to be a lot more involved
Pretty sure Nason was leading the B&F about 1/3 of the way into the season. Yet he still gets a 3 from you?
Laughable rating for a 1st year player
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OK upgrade to 3.5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 3. l would rate Dale Thomas 8-9 who plays a similar HFF position. Nason got a few kicks and showed some potential but some of you want to give everyone on our list 9-10 when we keep finishing down the bottom of the ladder. So that's why he gets a 3.5 ;D , needs to be a lot more involved and damaging to other teams.
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Gave him a five but real happy with his performance this.
Could be a real find if he further develops
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Gave him a 5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 5. Probably wasn't quite as impressed with his season as some others appear to be i don't think getting 15 possies as a somewhat unaccountable wingman is that impressive if your opponent is getting 25. However, did kick some big goals for us provided some run often being the first released from a rebound from the 50 and for his first year it was a very solid perfomance. Don't think he is in our best 22 currently and don't see him becoming a regular in it but definately a good player to have on the list pushing others to perform and i hope his potential is higher than my expectations :thumbsup
3, needs to be a lot more involved
Pretty sure Nason was leading the B&F about 1/3 of the way into the season. Yet he still gets a 3 from you?
Laughable rating for a 1st year player
leading the B & F after round 7/8. Okay now im convinced you are on the disco biscuits
nason 4
solid from where he came from not great
good selection but needs bulk
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The thing that is laughable is the fact that Nason actually was leading our B&F after about 5 rounds. :-[
Gets a 6 from me... Played a couple of good games but was incredibly bad in the last 5-6 games (which is to be expected I guess). He's 22 next season so I'll personally be expecting improvement after a big pre season.
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Mini-me loves him
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Well i gave him a 7
6 For how he came along from where he was picked.
I dont hold all players to the same ratings as say lids. They are all different and need to be scored accordingly.
Im sure that if this was a Geelong forum last year we wouldnt be holding ALL players to Ablett's standard.
Ohh almost forgot. bonus point for the hair. :bow
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Gave him a 5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 5. Probably wasn't quite as impressed with his season as some others appear to be i don't think getting 15 possies as a somewhat unaccountable wingman is that impressive if your opponent is getting 25. However, did kick some big goals for us provided some run often being the first released from a rebound from the 50 and for his first year it was a very solid perfomance. Don't think he is in our best 22 currently and don't see him becoming a regular in it but definately a good player to have on the list pushing others to perform and i hope his potential is higher than my expectations :thumbsup
3, needs to be a lot more involved
Pretty sure Nason was leading the B&F about 1/3 of the way into the season. Yet he still gets a 3 from you?
Laughable rating for a 1st year player
leading the B & F after round 7/8. Okay now im convinced you are on the disco biscuits
nason 4
solid from where he came from not great
good selection but needs bulk
Was definitely up there, if not leading
Do you forget how crap we were and here was Nason busting is butt all game, so it wasn't exactly surprising to see him poll so highly
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we lost every game so leading the bf doesn't mean much, if true.
Not hard to see a best 22 without nason
Moore. Grimes. Gourdis.
Newman. Deledio. Astbury.
Morton. Martin. Edwards.
Tuck. Griffiths. Connors.
King. Riewoldt. Taylor.
Graham. Cotchin. Foley.
Jackson. Grigg. Webberly. Post.
Then nason has the like of orielly, dea, farmer, white trying get a similar role in the team
Gave him a 5. The reason being that in terms of rating players for me everyone is held to the same standard so if lids, jack etc get 8's then Ben deserves a 5. Probably wasn't quite as impressed with his season as some others appear to be i don't think getting 15 possies as a somewhat unaccountable wingman is that impressive if your opponent is getting 25. However, did kick some big goals for us provided some run often being the first released from a rebound from the 50 and for his first year it was a very solid perfomance. Don't think he is in our best 22 currently and don't see him becoming a regular in it but definately a good player to have on the list pushing others to perform and i hope his potential is higher than my expectations :thumbsup
3, needs to be a lot more involved
Pretty sure Nason was leading the B&F about 1/3 of the way into the season. Yet he still gets a 3 from you?
Laughable rating for a 1st year player
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Who cares if we lost every game, he was a first year player working harder than anyone else on the ground for the first 7-8 weeks of the year
In fact he would have been one of the hardest working players all year until he tired around 2/3rds of the way into the season
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Who cares if we lost every game, he was a first year player working harder than anyone else on the ground for the first 7-8 weeks of the year
In fact he would have been one of the hardest working players all year until he tired around 2/3rds of the way into the season
He certainly was.
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just a 4 from me cant see him being a long term propisition. in fact of the two mature players we took late nd webberley looks a likely far better player to me. and even with him i dunno if he has emough strings to his bow.
said it at the time will say it again we should have tried at least one more tall with those picks. sheesh majak daw. the only saving grace in taking both nason and webberley is they were both decent kicks but when you are their size you damn well expect them to be good kicks. hmm how many possesions a game did nason ave would not be more than 10 or so i reckon. geez you expect just a little more from a 20 21 yr old wingman.
im still dirty that nason or white and a few others were not offered up instead of collins. oh thats right carlton requested collins they had no interest in the others.
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I'd also have webberly ahead of mason
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Majak Daw is not actually that fast, is not that tall and can't kick. North only took him for the publicity.
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Majak Daw is not actually that fast, is not that tall and can't kick. North only took him for the publicity.
did they well in time we will see.
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Majak Daw is not actually that fast, is not that tall and can't kick. North only took him for the publicity.
did they well in time we will see.
If we'd taken him you'd have had a field day with his lack of skills
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i just double checked were we finished on the ladder.
yep 15.
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i just double checked were we finished on the ladder.
yep 15.
And that's got what to do with how people viewed Ben Nason's year exactly?
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i just double checked were we finished on the ladder.
yep 15.
And that's got what to do with how people viewed Ben Nason's year exactly?
well well well.
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i just double checked were we finished on the ladder.
yep 15.
And that's got what to do with how people viewed Ben Nason's year exactly?
well well well.
Well well well ... you are slipping Jack ;D
I know we finished 15th, we all do but seriously I don't see what that has to do with how people viewed Nason's year
You didn't rate it one way or another because we finished 15th ???
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too tired to explain
I would rate our best and fairest a 10
then 2 players a 7
The rest fall under 7
As a team, we failed, so you would think that the majority of players perform well below expectations
therefore 5 and under is where the majority of players would sit.
in comparison, most Collingwood players would be rated a 5 and over, with at least 10 players 7 and over.
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Majak Daw is not actually that fast, is not that tall and can't kick. North only took him for the publicity.
did they well in time we will see.
If we'd taken him you'd have had a field day with his lack of skills
you have nfi how id react if we had taken him. he was one tall i wanted us to take.
grimes at 67 hartigan 71 bradshaw psd. daw rookie. may not be exactly what i advocated but its close. if i remember correctly it went morabito/martin at 6 bastinac at 19 astbury at 35 shaw 44. as also if you remember a big advocate of tanking if we had tanked and had 18 and 19 i would have gone bastinac carlisle/black/griffiths.
yep if we had taken daw i would have been over the moon despite the deficiencies in his game. dont presume to know what others think.
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too tired to explain
I would rate our best and fairest a 10
then 2 players a 7
The rest fall under 7
As a team, we failed, so you would think that the majority of players perform well below expectations
therefore 5 and under is where the majority of players would sit.in comparison, most Collingwood players would be rated a 5 and over, with at least 10 players 7 and over.
So you apply the same criteria to all players - especially first year players ?
And I suppose it depends if you think we failed as a team? Certainly the win/loss ratio says we failed (again) but I think as Club we are finally on the right track.
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RFC site says "Ben Nason, who also made quite an impression in his debut season of AFL football, as a hard-running, small, high forward, has moved from No. 47 to No. 22"
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too tired to explain
I would rate our best and fairest a 10
then 2 players a 7
The rest fall under 7
As a team, we failed, so you would think that the majority of players perform well below expectations
therefore 5 and under is where the majority of players would sit.in comparison, most Collingwood players would be rated a 5 and over, with at least 10 players 7 and over.
So you apply the same criteria to all players - especially first year players ?
And I suppose it depends if you think we failed as a team? Certainly the win/loss ratio says we failed (again) but I think as Club we are finally on the right track.
I think jack is right with his criteria as once a player steps on the field they ALL should be judged on the same criteria. In terms of their future and potential other factors come in such as age, experience etc but if Nason's season was worth a 7 and i think he was in the 12-16th best of our players then 11 players are getting a 7 or higher and that is certainly not reflective of where the team is at currently. The majority of our list AT THIS TIME did deserve a 5 or lower i would think. We lost 16 games so in those games a lot of the other teams players played better than ours so i dont see how many of our players are scoring 7 or more.
I was impressed with Nason i must say this season for a first year player but holding all players (ours and other teams) accountable to the same scale when they walk on the field i can't see his season rating higher than a 5.