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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 08, 2010, 10:39:23 PM
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The AFL site is ranking the No.1 picks over the years from worst to best. Richard Lounder is named the worst.
24. Richard Lounder
Drafted: 1987
Recruited from: Central Districts (SANFL)
Club: Richmond
Games: 4
Career achievements
The Tigers had high hopes when they drafted man-mountain Richard Lounder with the first pick in what was just the second-ever national draft in 1987. But after a promising start to his VFL career, Lounder would play just three more matches to finish with a career total of four.
From Central Districts in South Australia, the ruckman stood an imposing 203cm and weighed 116kg. On debut against North Melbourne at the MCG, he spent much of his time forward and the Roos struggled to combat his sheer size. Lounder booted four goals and looked a player, but as he worked 40-hour weeks and struggled with homesickness, he wasn't able to produce his best.
Lounder returned to South Australia after just two seasons in Melbourne, and slowly drifted out of football.
23. Stephen Hooper (Geelong, 1990 Draft, 21 Games)
22. Jack Watts (Melbourne, 2008 Draft, 18* Games)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104947/default.aspx
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You would think the last three to five would be excluded.
Bit harsh on a KPF like Watts to be judged already
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How long did Lounder get?
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Jack Watts hasn't even played out 3 seasons - bit harsh in my mind. Should wait at least a couple more seasons until the footy world decide if he will every live up to his No 1 ranking. He's a lucky boy that Nick Nat hasn't come on as quickly as he appeared he would when he burst ont the scene or Melbourne would have another Tambling on there hands. :P
Stripes
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Looks like a real ladies man too :lol
Got a head like a half eaten cashew
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Is Tambling on the list? :lol :lol
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Banik made the 5th worst.....
20. Anthony Banik
Drafted: 1989
Recruited from: Won Wron Woodside (VCFL)
Club: Richmond
Games: 49
Career achievements
Banik was just 17 years old when he ran onto Princes Park for Richmond in round three of the 1990 season.
Big things were expected of the Won Wron youngster, who had been an outstanding junior and Tiger officials believed would be a 10-year player. But despite a promising debut season, his AFL career ended after five years at Punt Road for 49 senior matches. The former No.1 draft pick was still just 21 years old when delisted.
Injury and illness did hamper his progress, but it's fair to say the half back flanker never really set the world on fire.
21. Tom Scully (Melbourne)
19. Alex McDonald (Hawthorn/Collingwood)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104996/default.aspx
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This is not the 1st time that this Ben Broad has written articles that are so far of the mark.
Min giosh, Scully as a poor draft choice ..... what a f'n peanut !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead
Would have Scully at RFC in a heartbeat for the next 25 years of mature age MFC rejects.
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Illness destroyed Banik. Was a talented footballer
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Way to harsh on Scully and Watts. Scully showed some great signs this year. My only criticism of Watts in a future out-look view is he might be a confidence player. But besides that give him at least another couple of seasons and pre-seasons to build his body up.
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Alex McDonald at no.19 ? I'd have him at no.2 just behind Lounder. He was pox
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How long did Lounder get?
I only remember Lounder being at Richmond for the one year (1989).
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/R/Richard_Lounder.html
Lounder is most famous for kicking 4 goals on debut while leaning against the goalpost ;D.
We did get Wayne Campbell out of that 1989 draft but that's about it. We were broke (pre-SOS) so we could only afford country kids from Victoria because they came to the club cheap.
# Player Recruited By Recruited From
1 Anthony Banik Richmond Won Wron Woodside
2 Matthew Croft Footscray Mildura (VCFL)
3 Jody Arnol St Kilda North Hobart
4 Peter Matera West Coast South Fremantle
5 Brad Rowe Brisbane East Fremantle
6 Mark Brayshaw Nth Melbourne Claremont
7 Stephan Edgar Carlton East Fremantle
8 Brad Tunbridge Sydney East Fremantle
9 Dale Kickett Fitzroy Claremont
10 Daryl Groves Collingwood Maryborough (VCFL)
11 Darren Smith Essendon Port Adelaide
12 Gavin Wanganeen Essendon Port Adelaide
13 Alistair Scott Richmond Inverloch-Kongwach
14 Ben Allan Hawthorn Claremont
15 Nathan Bower Richmond Mildura (VCFL)
16 Jason Shields Footscray Moe
17 Gilbert McAdam St Kilda Central District
18 Robert Wren Richmond Assumption College
19 Ashley Green Essendon Warragul (VCFL)
20 Brett Hawkey Nth Melbourne Nathalia (VCFL)
21 Peter Doyle Carlton Union (VCFL)
22 Mathew Hanrahan Collingwood Lake Bolac (VCFL)
23 Roger Delaney Fitzroy Port Adelaide
24 Mathew Styles Collingwood Glenorchy
25 Paul Rouvray Melbourne Glenelg
26 Alister Carr Essendon Sth Bendigo (VCFL)
27 Joel Saunders Fitzroy Bairnsdale
28 Jason Gibson Hawthorn Deloraine
29 Wayne Campbell Richmond Golden Square (VCFL)
30 Glenn Coleman Footscray Sydney
31 Darel Hart St Kilda Nth Adelaide
32 Shaun Slater Richmond St Arnaud (VCFL)
33 Shaun Hart Brisbane Shepparton Utd (VCFL)
34 Andrew Venner Nth Melbourne Ballarat YCW (VCFL)
35 Chris Bond Carlton Nth Hobart
36 Rohan Smith Sydney Port Adelaide
37 Shayne Stevenson Fitzroy Sandy Bay
38 Gavin Rose Collingwood East Perth
39 Peter Cransberg Essendon East Perth
40 Travis St Clair Essendon Sth Bendigo (VCFL)
41 Chris Waterworth Richmond Sandy Bay
42 Matthew Robran Hawthorn Norwood
43 Chris Guerts Brisbane Warragul
44 Jonathon Solomon Brisbane Seymour (VCFL)
45 Sasha Dyson-Holland Fitzroy Leongatha (VCFL)
46 Shane Radbone Essendon Sturt
47 Richard Gerke Richmond Woodville
48 Dennis Rapacholi Footscray West Perth
49 Greg Jones St Kilda Swan Districts
50 Dean Irving West Coast Sth Fremantle
51 Joe Wilson Brisbane Wangarrata (VCFL)
52 Rod Jameson North Melbourne Glenelg
53 Derek Coghlan Carlton Lemnos (VCFL)
54 Steven Bozicevic Sydney Myrtleford (VCFL)
55 Grant Coffee Fitzroy Central District
56 Shayne Bennett Collingwood North Adelaide
57 Tim Moreland Melbourne Shepparton (VCFL)
58 Jason Dullard Essendon Bairnsdale (VCFL)
59 Daniel Frawley Geelong Wangaratta
60 Chris Sharp Hawthorn East Ballarat (VCFL)
61 Simon Eastaugh Richmond Shepparton (VCFL)
62 John Brunner Footscray Yarrawonga (VCFL)
63 Wayne Thornborrow St Kilda Glenelg
64 Tony Evans West Coast Claremont
65 Alan Schwartz Essendon West Torrens
66 Shannon Bergmann North Melbourne Swan Hill (VCFL)
67 Ben Judd Carlton Sturt
68 Scott Tomlinson Sydney Shepparton Utd (VCFL)
69 Jamie Elliott Fitzroy Maryborough (VCFL)
70 Paul Williams Collingwood North Hobart
71 Glenn Wilkins Melbourne Nth Ballarat
72 Glenn Crawford Essendon Barooga
73 Tim Birthisel Geelong Ingelwood (VCFL)
74 Alistair Burke Hawthorn Tatura (VCFL)
75 Stephen Pearce Richmond Echuca (VCFL)
76 Shayne Ward Footscray Darley (VCFL)
77 Christian Lister St Kilda Golden Square (VCFL)
78 Steven Schwerdt West Coast Central District
79 David Brown Brisbane Port Adelaide
80 Damian Murray North Melbourne West Adelaide
81 Sam Gross Carlton Boort (VCFL)
82 Troy Lehmann Collingwood Nth Adelaide
83 Mark Robinson Fitzroy Glenorchy
84 Matthew Kelly Collingwood Norwood
85 Anthony Tohill Melbourne Ireland
86 Gerrard Harrington Essendon Southport (Qld)
87 Ashley Coutts Geelong Kaniva (VCFL)
88 Tim Leng Hawthorn Mildura (VCFL)
89 Jason Smith Richmond Lockington (VCFL)
90 Ben Cross Footscray East Warrnambool (VCFL)
91 Grant Lawrie St Kilda Box Hill
92 Brett Heady West Coast Subiaco
93 Tony Paynter Brisbane Pakenham (VCFL)
94 John Bingham Nth Melbourne Old Haileybury
95 Jeremy Smith Carlton Sandy Bay
96 Gary Stevens Sydney Waaia (VCFL)
97 Paul McConville Fitzroy Golden Square
98 Kym Russell Collingwood Sturt
99 Nick Tsiotanis Essendon Bulleen-Templestowe
100 David Pittman Essendon Norwood
101 Richard Harrison Geelong South Adelaide
102 Dion Sheehan Hawthorn Mansfield (VCFL)
103 Brett Chalmers Richmond Port Adelaide
104 Tony Trigg Footscray Bungaree
105 Stuart Annand St Kilda Redan (VCFL)
106 Ernie Hug Collingwood Sale (VCFL)
107 Sean Valenta Brisbane Morningside
108 Eric Lissendon Nth Melbourne Neerim-Neerim South
109 Colin Corkery Carlton Ireland
110 Craig Budarick Sydney Glenelg
111 David Noble Fitzroy North Hobart
112 Ashley McIntosh West Coast Claremont
113 Shane Crothers Geelong Grovedale (VCFL)
114 Jason Walscgott Essendon West Gambier
115 Colum McManamon Geelong Ireland
116 Brendan Bicknall Hawthorn Shepparton (VCFL)
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How long did Lounder get?
I only remember Lounder being at Richmond for the one year (1989).
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/R/Richard_Lounder.html
Lounder is most famous for kicking 4 goals on debut while leaning against the goalpost ;D.
We did get Wayne Campbell out of that 1989 draft but that's about it. We were broke (pre-SOS) so we could only afford country kids from Victoria because they came to the club cheap.
# Player Recruited By Recruited From
1 Anthony Banik Richmond Won Wron Woodside
2 Matthew Croft Footscray Mildura (VCFL)
3 Jody Arnol St Kilda North Hobart
4 Peter Matera West Coast South Fremantle
5 Brad Rowe Brisbane East Fremantle
6 Mark Brayshaw Nth Melbourne Claremont
7 Stephan Edgar Carlton East Fremantle
8 Brad Tunbridge Sydney East Fremantle
9 Dale Kickett Fitzroy Claremont
10 Daryl Groves Collingwood Maryborough (VCFL)
11 Darren Smith Essendon Port Adelaide
12 Gavin Wanganeen Essendon Port Adelaide
13 Alistair Scott Richmond Inverloch-Kongwach
14 Ben Allan Hawthorn Claremont
15 Nathan Bower Richmond Mildura (VCFL)
16 Jason Shields Footscray Moe
17 Gilbert McAdam St Kilda Central District
18 Robert Wren Richmond Assumption College
19 Ashley Green Essendon Warragul (VCFL)
20 Brett Hawkey Nth Melbourne Nathalia (VCFL)
21 Peter Doyle Carlton Union (VCFL)
22 Mathew Hanrahan Collingwood Lake Bolac (VCFL)
23 Roger Delaney Fitzroy Port Adelaide
24 Mathew Styles Collingwood Glenorchy
25 Paul Rouvray Melbourne Glenelg
26 Alister Carr Essendon Sth Bendigo (VCFL)
27 Joel Saunders Fitzroy Bairnsdale
28 Jason Gibson Hawthorn Deloraine
29 Wayne Campbell Richmond Golden Square (VCFL)
30 Glenn Coleman Footscray Sydney
31 Darel Hart St Kilda Nth Adelaide
32 Shaun Slater Richmond St Arnaud (VCFL)
33 Shaun Hart Brisbane Shepparton Utd (VCFL)
34 Andrew Venner Nth Melbourne Ballarat YCW (VCFL)
35 Chris Bond Carlton Nth Hobart
36 Rohan Smith Sydney Port Adelaide
37 Shayne Stevenson Fitzroy Sandy Bay
38 Gavin Rose Collingwood East Perth
39 Peter Cransberg Essendon East Perth
40 Travis St Clair Essendon Sth Bendigo (VCFL)
41 Chris Waterworth Richmond Sandy Bay
42 Matthew Robran Hawthorn Norwood
43 Chris Guerts Brisbane Warragul
44 Jonathon Solomon Brisbane Seymour (VCFL)
45 Sasha Dyson-Holland Fitzroy Leongatha (VCFL)
46 Shane Radbone Essendon Sturt
47 Richard Gerke Richmond Woodville
48 Dennis Rapacholi Footscray West Perth
49 Greg Jones St Kilda Swan Districts
50 Dean Irving West Coast Sth Fremantle
51 Joe Wilson Brisbane Wangarrata (VCFL)
52 Rod Jameson North Melbourne Glenelg
53 Derek Coghlan Carlton Lemnos (VCFL)
54 Steven Bozicevic Sydney Myrtleford (VCFL)
55 Grant Coffee Fitzroy Central District
56 Shayne Bennett Collingwood North Adelaide
57 Tim Moreland Melbourne Shepparton (VCFL)
58 Jason Dullard Essendon Bairnsdale (VCFL)
59 Daniel Frawley Geelong Wangaratta
60 Chris Sharp Hawthorn East Ballarat (VCFL)
61 Simon Eastaugh Richmond Shepparton (VCFL)
62 John Brunner Footscray Yarrawonga (VCFL)
63 Wayne Thornborrow St Kilda Glenelg
64 Tony Evans West Coast Claremont
65 Alan Schwartz Essendon West Torrens
66 Shannon Bergmann North Melbourne Swan Hill (VCFL)
67 Ben Judd Carlton Sturt
68 Scott Tomlinson Sydney Shepparton Utd (VCFL)
69 Jamie Elliott Fitzroy Maryborough (VCFL)
70 Paul Williams Collingwood North Hobart
71 Glenn Wilkins Melbourne Nth Ballarat
72 Glenn Crawford Essendon Barooga
73 Tim Birthisel Geelong Ingelwood (VCFL)
74 Alistair Burke Hawthorn Tatura (VCFL)
75 Stephen Pearce Richmond Echuca (VCFL)
76 Shayne Ward Footscray Darley (VCFL)
77 Christian Lister St Kilda Golden Square (VCFL)
78 Steven Schwerdt West Coast Central District
79 David Brown Brisbane Port Adelaide
80 Damian Murray North Melbourne West Adelaide
81 Sam Gross Carlton Boort (VCFL)
82 Troy Lehmann Collingwood Nth Adelaide
83 Mark Robinson Fitzroy Glenorchy
84 Matthew Kelly Collingwood Norwood
85 Anthony Tohill Melbourne Ireland
86 Gerrard Harrington Essendon Southport (Qld)
87 Ashley Coutts Geelong Kaniva (VCFL)
88 Tim Leng Hawthorn Mildura (VCFL)
89 Jason Smith Richmond Lockington (VCFL)
90 Ben Cross Footscray East Warrnambool (VCFL)
91 Grant Lawrie St Kilda Box Hill
92 Brett Heady West Coast Subiaco
93 Tony Paynter Brisbane Pakenham (VCFL)
94 John Bingham Nth Melbourne Old Haileybury
95 Jeremy Smith Carlton Sandy Bay
96 Gary Stevens Sydney Waaia (VCFL)
97 Paul McConville Fitzroy Golden Square
98 Kym Russell Collingwood Sturt
99 Nick Tsiotanis Essendon Bulleen-Templestowe
100 David Pittman Essendon Norwood
101 Richard Harrison Geelong South Adelaide
102 Dion Sheehan Hawthorn Mansfield (VCFL)
103 Brett Chalmers Richmond Port Adelaide
104 Tony Trigg Footscray Bungaree
105 Stuart Annand St Kilda Redan (VCFL)
106 Ernie Hug Collingwood Sale (VCFL)
107 Sean Valenta Brisbane Morningside
108 Eric Lissendon Nth Melbourne Neerim-Neerim South
109 Colin Corkery Carlton Ireland
110 Craig Budarick Sydney Glenelg
111 David Noble Fitzroy North Hobart
112 Ashley McIntosh West Coast Claremont
113 Shane Crothers Geelong Grovedale (VCFL)
114 Jason Walscgott Essendon West Gambier
115 Colum McManamon Geelong Ireland
116 Brendan Bicknall Hawthorn Shepparton (VCFL)
wasnt Chalmers the one who wouldnt come over
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Yep , got done for draft tampering I think. He was crap anyhow lol
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Weat Coast did so well in that 1989 draft.....so many premiership players picked deep into the draft.
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Weat Coast did so well in that 1989 draft.....so many premiership players picked deep into the draft.
There selections in the middle picks don't appear so good.
( Of course I'm not a great expert on the Eagles so some of those name may have been premiership players, I just don't care enough to be able to recognise them. I think that's a reasonable excuse. ;D )
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Lids rated higher than Kreuzer, Murphy and Gibbs. Blues fans will be spewing lol
18. John Hutton (Brisbane)
17. Clive Waterhouse (Fremantle)
16. Matthew Kreuzer (Carlton)
15. Bryce Gibbs (Carlton)
14. Martin Leslie (Brisbane)
13. Marc Murphy (Carlton)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105108/default.aspx
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Lids rated higher than Kreuzer, Murphy and Gibbs. Blues fans will be spewing lol
18. John Hutton (Brisbane)
17. Clive Waterhouse (Fremantle)
16. Matthew Kreuzer (Carlton)
15. Bryce Gibbs (Carlton)
14. Martin Leslie (Brisbane)
13. Marc Murphy (Carlton)
Hutton, Waterhouse and Leslie in front of Scully.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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More dribble from this BB peanut. :banghead
Should be covering the sewer system.
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Martin Leslie was a top player for the bears. He was one of the few players at the bears who played well on a regular basis
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Martin Leslie was a top player for the bears. He was one of the few players at the bears who played well on a regular basis
He was a good player (7 seasons, 107 games, 7 career Brownlow votes) but not in the same class as Scully (1 season, 21 games, 3 career Brownlow votes) or even Kruezer will be. This wanker's list is skewed because he has included players that haven't had a crack at the title yet. If he wanted to be objective then he should have set a minimum qualifying level - like not including #1's from the last 4 seasons - then maybe his list would be reasonable and worth the time to read and assess. As it is it's a piece of journalism that's at the lofty heights of New Idea or Women's Day.
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Martin Leslie was a top player for the bears. He was one of the few players at the bears who played well on a regular basis
He was a good player (7 seasons, 107 games, 7 career Brownlow votes) but not in the same class as Scully (1 season, 21 games, 3 career Brownlow votes) or even Kruezer will be. This wanker's list is skewed because he has included players that haven't had a crack at the title yet. If he wanted to be objective then he should have set a minimum qualifying level - like not including #1's from the last 4 seasons - then maybe his list would be reasonable and worth the time to read and assess. As it is it's a piece of journalism that's at the lofty heights of New Idea or Women's Day.
Correct if provided any insight or decent analysis it may improve the depth & quality of the articles. I have no objection to the premise, just the execution because it is lazy and haphazard.
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Weat Coast did so well in that 1989 draft.....so many premiership players picked deep into the draft.
Those were the days when Victorian club recruiters only watched senior WAFL (and SANFL) games at best. The interstate clubs were known because of this to hide players away. Also the draft was optionable for South Aussies so although they were drafted they often refused to come over and just hung out waiting for the South Australian side (which ended up being the Crows) to enter the VFL/AFL. Chalmers was one of those who didn't come over despite us selecting him in the 89 draft. He ended up joining the Crows but was a bit of flop compared to his reputation of being the next big thing.
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Lids inside the top 10
12. Des Headland
11. Josh Fraser
10. Travis Johnstone
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105150/default.aspx
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Gas made 9th (originally drafted by the Swans)
9. Darren Gaspar (Sydney, 1993)
8. Michael Gardiner (West Coast, 1996)
7. Drew Banfield (West Coast, 1992)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105188/default.aspx
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Gas made 9th (originally drafted by the Swans)
9. Darren Gaspar (Sydney, 1993)
8. Michael Gardiner (West Coast, 1996)
7. Drew Banfield (West Coast, 1992)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105188/default.aspx
This BB clown just keeps on eroding that sites credibility.
Drew Banfield won a B&F, played 250+ games and played in 2 premierships in a 14 year career !!!!!!!!
I would argue that Cotchin, Martin & Lids would take that for a career.
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Lids was named 6th best.....
6. BRETT DELEDIO
Drafted: 2004
Recruited from: Murray Bushrangers (Vic)
Club: Richmond
Games: 128 (2005-)
Career achievements
Playing for a side that has languished near the bottom of the ladder since his arrival at AFL ranks hasn't been easy for Brett Deledio, but the kid with elite speed has steadily improved to become an A-grader.
Deledio has had his knockers, even since winning the NAB AFL Rising Star in his debut season, but successive best and fairest awards in 2008 and 2009 have silenced those and been just reward for the hard-working midfielder.
The former Murray Bushranger initially played most through the middle, where one expects he may one day return, but has settled into a role across half back in more recent times. Deledio earned an International Rules jumper following his stellar 2008 year.
His strength overhead, pace and penetrative kicking make him a dangerous prospect for opposition coaches as he has attributes few other players possess.
Deledio will turn 24 in 2011, and with 128 matches already to his credit - and an expected rise in the Tigers' fortunes ahead - the Richmond star should continue to accumulate the playing honours.
5. JEFF WHITE (Fremantle, 1994)
4. ADAM COONEY (Bulldogs, 2003)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105242/default.aspx
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Martin Leslie was a top player for the bears. He was one of the few players at the bears who played well on a regular basis
So was John Hutton. He kicked 8 goals in a match against Geelong in 1992. :thumbsup
Geelong though broke the AFL recoed score that day though. :lol :rollin :lol
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The best thing about the bears in those days was their half back line of Gastev. Zanotti and Leslie. No matter how badly the bears were being thrashed those three would stand up. What year did we pick up shane fell from sydney?
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eliminator, we picked up Shane Fell with pick 18 in the 1991 Mid-Season Draft along with Athos Hrysoulakis.
Just to finish this countdown off, Jack's cousin was picked as best No.1 pick overall
3. Brendon Goddard
2. Luke Hodge
1. Nick Riewoldt
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105248/default.aspx
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Lids was named 6th best.....
With all due respect - How can you fully judge a player until his career is over? Surely, this is just a snap shot in time. Maybe if we revisit this in 2-3 years time if we start winning more games Lids will further rise in the rankings. I cant see how he can drop with our past history.
ALL I can say is well done Lids. Hopefully his best is still to come.
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Well I am glad that piece of stupidity is over.
I vote it worst article in the last 24 years.
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Thank-you one eyed. I remember we picked up Athos from Collingwood. I don't think he ever played a game for us.