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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 03, 2011, 05:45:40 PM
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If you're in the area, get to Wantirna Club to see Grimes, Gourdis, Contin and Westhoff. 7-9pm, 350 Stud Rd, Wantirna South
Source: RFC twitter.
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Head to the Wantirna Club tomorrow (Tues) night from 7.30 to meet Andrew Browne, Mitch Morton, Jayden Post & Jeromey Webberley
Source: RFC twitter
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Head to the Wantirna Club tomorrow (Tues) night from 7.30 to meet Andrew Browne, Mitch Morton, Jayden Post & Jeromey Webberley
Source: RFC twitter
Can hardly wait! Might hire an umpires uniform and tap the Goo on the shoulder to see if he wants an arm wrestle.
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gee that will be last man standing, I tip they'll be hearing crickets when the players arive :lol
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Don't worry guy's, there just out there for job interviews ;D
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All four might get the flick at years end
Also get the early.the queues to get in will be huge
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What a joke RFC.
Effectively 3 rookies and an injured first year player. Whats the effing point.
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What a joke RFC.
Effectively 3 rookies and an injured first year player. Whats the effing point.
I wouldn't call either of the four rookies. Read post 2 and you'll see why. :thumbsup
All four might get the flick at years end
Also get the early.the queues to get in will be huge
May well be the case Jack.
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Will there be show bags?
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Will there be show bags?
:lol :rollin :lol
Only if the hags win the wild cash jackpots and lose control of themselves.
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Will there be show bags?
:lol :rollin :lol
Only if the hags win the wild cash jackpots and lose control of themselves.
;D
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What a joke RFC.
Effectively 3 rookies and an injured first year player. Whats the effing point.
I wouldn't call either of the four rookies. Read post 2 and you'll see why. :thumbsup
All four might get the flick at years end
Also get the early.the queues to get in will be huge
May well be the case Jack.
Haha thanks TB, will learn to scroll down in future lol.
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Jack Riewoldt, Reece Conca, Robbie Nahas and Jake King to appear at the Wantirna Club tonight 7.30pm-9pm
Source: RFC twitter
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So has everyone rushed down or were they just enteraining the blue rinse set.
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gee, I wonder whether they are there yet, just down the road...dunno if I can be bothered getting out of the trackies and moccy's pretty comfy with the fire stoked :shh
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gee, I wonder whether they are there yet, just down the road...dunno if I can be bothered getting out of the trackies and moccy's pretty comfy with the fire stoked :shh
It is the Wantirna Club, you might be over dressed if you didnt get changed :thumbsup
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The next scheduled appearance of Richmond players at the Wantirna Club is on Tuesday, June 26, from 7pm-9pm.
Steven Morris, David Astbury, Luke McGuane and Tom Derickx will be there to mingle with Tiger fans, sign autographs, and talk all things Yellow and Black.
The Wantirna Club is located at 350 Stud Road, Wantirna.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/139181/default.aspx
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Might wander down and get the low down on asburys comeback :shh
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Might head down myself and have a chat with morris the suicide blonde :shh
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From Lyn @tiger29_44 twitter:
"Some #richmondtiger boys @ Wantirna club tonight - pic thanks to @J0Clark"
(https://p.twimg.com/AwUIHhcCAAQo4Nz.jpg)
https://twitter.com/tiger29_44/status/217589082321190913/photo/1
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Didn't realise conca was going to be there
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Lol is that tom derix, i was thinking sheesh didnt think Houli was so tall :lol
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The next scheduled appearance of Richmond players at the Wantirna Club is on Tuesday, July 24, from 7pm-9pm.
Matt Dea, Shane Edwards, Angus Graham and Ben Griffiths will be there to mingle with Tiger fans, sign autographs, and talk all things Yellow and Black.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/139181/default.aspx
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The next scheduled appearance of Richmond players at the Wantirna Club is on Tuesday, August 21, from 7pm-9pm.
Dustin Martin, Alex Rance, Angus Graham, Todd Elton and Steve Verrier will be there to mingle with Tiger fans, sign autographs, and talk all things Yellow and Black.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/139181/default.aspx
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The next scheduled appearance of Richmond players at the Wantirna Club is on Tuesday, August 21, from 7pm-9pm.
Dustin Martin, Alex Rance, Angus Graham, Todd Elton and Steve Verrier will be there to mingle with Tiger fans, sign autographs, and talk all things Yellow and Black.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/139181/default.aspx
Crikeys thats a bigger all star cast than Ben Hur :lol
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ill be heading down :o
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ill be heading down :o
Be sure to look out for bojo
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ill be heading down :o
Be sure to look out for bojo
Whoa! Stay out of the dark ally's :lol
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A new south-east Tigers supporters group is being launched at the Wantirna Club this Sunday ( 25th November from 12pm - 3pm )
Event Flyer: http://lon-cdn220-is-11.se.bptvpd.ngcdn.telstra.com/pd_afltigers0/southeastrfc.pdf
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A new south-east Tigers supporters group is being launched at the Wantirna Club this Sunday ( 25th November from 12pm - 3pm )
Event Flyer: http://lon-cdn220-is-11.se.bptvpd.ngcdn.telstra.com/pd_afltigers0/southeastrfc.pdf
:shh
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A new south-east Tigers supporters group is being launched at the Wantirna Club this Sunday ( 25th November from 12pm - 3pm )
Event Flyer: http://lon-cdn220-is-11.se.bptvpd.ngcdn.telstra.com/pd_afltigers0/southeastrfc.pdf
:shh
Is this your creation EEA?
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Might just get down ater olf on sunday and see what this all about :shh
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Might just get down ater olf on sunday and see what this all about :shh
You'll be all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake bojo :shh
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A new south-east Tigers supporters group is being launched at the Wantirna Club this Sunday ( 25th November from 12pm - 3pm )
Event Flyer: http://lon-cdn220-is-11.se.bptvpd.ngcdn.telstra.com/pd_afltigers0/southeastrfc.pdf
:shh
Is this your creation EEA?
no not mine, Ive been to the wantirna club to watch a few games over the years.... including both gold coast losses :banghead
I can only imagine what a supporter group will do if it happens again :shh
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A supporter group which uses the wantirna club as a base couldnt do the joint any harm...i have been there a few times and have seen more activity at the springvale cemetry
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:shh
So that's where ppl hang out these days :lol
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Maybe WP will be able to give the oil on the place after he's forensically examined the clubs financial reports.But purely from my own experiences there the place should be declared a dead zone
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Maybe WP will be able to give the oil on the place after he's forensically examined the clubs financial reports.But purely from my own experiences there the place should be declared a dead zone
Revenues from the Wantrina Club is up this season by over $350k; which is a good result
Also interesting in the accounts it says the Club purchased gaming machine operating licences during the year which has probably impacted on the Wantrina Club result. It also says that due the "new regime for the operation of gaming machines" the Club has been able to write back the Onerous Contracts provision it held against the rent contract that they put inplace back in 2008. In simple terms it means the venue is making money ;D
Again another good sign :clapping
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WP does it say where these licenses were purchased? were they added machines to the wantirna premises?
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WP does it say where these licenses were purchased? were they added machines to the wantirna premises?
No it doesn't but I do recall at last year's AGM they said that they would be getting extra machines at Wantrina but I don't think it was a great number. IIRC it was another 8-10
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South-East Tigers Supporters Group
@SouthEastTigers - "season launch Wantirna Club 22/3 at 7.30pm some players & coaches will be attending will announce names when confirmed. All welcome"
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Wat day is 22 feb i might be,up for this?
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Friday bj
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SouthEast Tigers supporter group twitter @SouthEastTigers
"Tiger fans comedown Tuesday night 16/4 to see some of the boys! Autographs raffles, interviews, photo opportunities.... Wantirna club 7-9pm"
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SouthEast Tigers supporter group twitter @SouthEastTigers
"Tiger fans comedown Tuesday night 16/4 to see some of the boys! Autographs raffles, interviews, photo opportunities.... Wantirna club 7-9pm"
On the following Tuesdays in 2013, Richmond will be sending players to the Wantirna Club for appearances between 7pm – 9pm:
• Players to appear on April 16th
• Ben Griffiths
• Matt Dea
• Shaun Grigg
• Troy Chaplin
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/club/wantirna-club.workstation
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The Freo game tonight will be shown live on the big screen at the Wantirna Club thanks to the South-East Tigers supporters group.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIlFmKyCIAAWJBV.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/SouthEastTigers/status/326868969984237569/photo/1
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Tiger fans have the chance to meet four Richmond players at the Wantirna Club next Tuesday evening.
Richmond’s Ty Vickery, Matt White, Cadeyn Williams and Sam Lonergan will be at the Wantirna Club from 7:00-9:00pm next Tuesday, 21 May.
Fans are encouraged to pop in for photos and autographs with the players.
Wantirna Club
350 Stud Rd, Wantirna VIC 3152
www.wantirnaclub.com.au (http://www.wantirnaclub.com.au)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-16/wantirna-club-player-appearance-
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Bo Jo will also be there to sign autographs, Wantirnas only 30 year Tiger member
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That would be 31 pal :shh
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That would be 31 pal :shh
:santa
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Tiger fans have the chance to meet four Richmond players at the Wantirna Club next Tuesday evening.
Richmond’s David Astbury, Luke McGuane, Alex Rance and Ben Darrou will be at the Wantirna Club from 7:00-9:00pm next Tuesday, 18 June.
Fans are encouraged to pop in for photos and autographs with the players.
Wantirna Club
350 Stud Rd, Wantirna VIC 3152
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-09/wantirna-club-player-appearance-.workstation
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Tiger fans have the chance to meet four Richmond players at the Wantirna Club next Tuesday evening.
Richmond’s Robin Nahas, Tom Derickx, Todd Elton and Kamdyn McIntosh will be at the Wantirna Club from 7:00-9:00pm next Tuesday, 16 June.
Fans are encouraged to pop in for photos and autographs with the players.
Wantirna Club
350 Stud Rd, Wantirna VIC 3152
www.wantirnaclub.com.au
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-11/wantirna-club-player-appearance-
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Richmond’s Jake Batchelor, Brad Helbig, Ben Griffiths and Shane Edwards will be at the Wantirna Club from 7:00-9:00pm next Tuesday, 20 August.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-19/wantirna-club-player-appearance-
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You'd think they'd start respecting the Wantirna Club and not send players that wouldn't make Wantirna's reserves. :banghead :banghead
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That should be an absolute crack-a-whoa of a night.
See you there BJ
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See what I can do, be good to get some mail on Edwards :shh
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Bo if you are going can you buy some fireworks and shove them up Griffo please
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:lol
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Bo if you are going can you buy some fireworks and shove them up Griffo please
He might get a game this week just quietly, :shh
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Wantirna Club player appearance
richmondfc.com.au
May 8, 2014
Tiger fans have the chance to meet four Richmond players at the Wantirna Club next Tuesday evening.
Richmond’s Shane Edwards, Matt Thomas, Ben Darrou and Brett O’Hanlon will be at the Wantirna Club from 7:00-8:30pm next Tuesday, May 13.
Fans are encouraged to pop in for photos and autographs with the players.
Wantirna Club
350 Stud Rd, Wantirna VIC 3152
www.wantirnaclub.com.au
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-08/wantirna-club-player-appearance-
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meh..pass
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Tiger fans have the chance to meet four Richmond players at the Wantirna Club next Tuesday evening.
Richmond’s Chris Newman, Ricky Petterd, Todd Elton, Cadeyn Williams will be at the Wantirna Club from 7:00pm next Tuesday, June 17.
Fans are encouraged to pop in for photos and autographs with the players.
Wantirna Club
350 Stud Rd, Wantirna VIC 3152
www.wantirnaclub.com.au
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-12/wantirna-club-player-appearance-
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See if I can get there, Parma night too I think :clapping
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Bringing out the big guns as always
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Two list cloggers and two kids who'll be lucky to be selected even if they kicked 100 in the ressies just to balance things out.
Is Tonya Harding still in jail? :shh
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Richmond’s Trent Cotchin, Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin and Jake Batchelor will be at the Wantirna Club from 7:00pm next Tuesday, August 12.
Fans are encouraged to pop in for photos and autographs with the players.
Wantirna Club
350 Stud Rd, Wantirna VIC 3152
www.wantirnaclub.com.au
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-08-07/wantirna-club-player-appearance-
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That group is a bit more high profile. Does anyone on here go to these and can tell us what it's like?
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I'm pretty sure BJ would be going to that one Smokey - my mail is it's going to be pretty Bojolious!
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Jayden Short, Kamdyn McIntosh, Ty Vickery and Dan Butler will appear at the @WantirnaClub from 7pm next Tuesday, August 23.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/766440413821476864
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I'm sure bo will give us a transcript ::)
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I'm sure bo will give us a transcript ::)
Where is that mofos anyway?
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I'm sure bo will give us a transcript ::)
Where is that mofos anyway?
Long gone thank god. Although Jackstar is trying to pick up his slack
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(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f5ffb2_1d0ce73c3e1d4c7d94731f9b882398cd~mv2_d_1240_1754_s_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_441,h_624,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/f5ffb2_1d0ce73c3e1d4c7d94731f9b882398cd~mv2_d_1240_1754_s_2.jpg)
https://www.wantirnaclub.com.au/?lightbox=dataItem-j0j6cjxu
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(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f5ffb2_f3790819c5334997a456cf47102b7fb5~mv2_d_1754_2480_s_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_590,h_822,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/Richmond%20Appearance%2015th%20May%202019-%20For%20S.webp)
https://www.wantirnaclub.com.au/afl-football
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How is Fraser Turner tracking?
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How is Fraser Turner tracking?
Looking very good. :shh
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We still own this? I thought we were going away from pokies?
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We still own this? I thought we were going away from pokies?
Why would we walk away from a huge income stream. We should invest more in gaming not less.
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We still own this? I thought we were going away from pokies?
Why would we walk away from a huge income stream. We should invest more in gaming not less.
I was mistaken in assuming that our club was moving away from gaming revenue. I thought I heard it from somewhere but must not of been us. Drive past Wantirna club quite often (during the day) and the car park always looks empty compared to other venues like the Knox club, Kilsyth club just to name a couple.
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Major win for Richmond Football Club ahead of Grand Final
Shannon Deery,
Herald Sun
September 26, 2019 1:51pm
The Richmond Football club has chalked up a big win just days out from the Grand Final in what could be a lucky omen ahead of a hopeful 12th premiership.
The club today won a Supreme Court appeal in a dispute with the landlord of its eastern suburbs pokies venue the Wantirna Club.
The win has saved it shelling out more than $100,000 in land tax and prevented a four per cent price hike on its current $950,000 a year rent.
Landlord Verraty Pty Ltd took Richmond to the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal in June claiming the land tax payments and rent increase.
Verraty’s owner is Mario Abbotto, a Tigers fan and patron of the club’s Jack Dyer Foundation.
The tribunal ruled in Verraty’s favour sparking a Supreme Court appeal.
The dispute centred around a 1998 lease between Verraty and Richmond that was varied in 2004, and last year extended for another 10 years.
It is not the first time the Verraty and Richmond have faced off in court.
In 2011 Richmond took Verraty to VCAT after a dispute arising from the renegotiation of the lease.
The tribunal ordered Verraty to repay the Tigers $125,000 in land taxes that the club had mistakenly paid over several years.
The club argued it was not liable to pay the taxes and rates when it renegotiated the lease on the Wantirna Club in 2004, but hadn’t realised it.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/major-win-for-richmond-football-club-ahead-of-grand-final/news-story/cf21458d50ab530247a05be35d41c29b
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Retail Lease Act: Richmond Football Club Ltd v Verraty Pty Ltd [2019] VSC 597 - Real Estate and Construction - Australia
by Matthew Rafferty
mondaq.com
8 April 2020
Victorian Retail Leases and Land Tax
In our last newsletter, we described a case between the Richmond Football Club and its landlord, before the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal which decided that a lease could start out being for retail premises and subject to the Retail Lease Act, and later those premises could cease to be retail premises, and the RLA would then cease to apply.
In the case, the issue was whether the tenant would have to pay the landlord's Land Tax, and whether a ratchet could apply to the market rent review.
That case has been appealed by Richmond, and the original decision has been reversed.
Matter History
The Richmond Football Club leased the site from Verraty. It is the site of the Wantirna Club, a club associated with the Richmond Tigers.
Recall from the VCAT decision:
* When the first lease was entered into in 1998, the Retail Leases Act (RLA) applied
* In May 2016, the occupancy costs for the next lease year exceeded $1,000,000 per annum – and so the Tribunal found that the RLA ceased to apply.
The landlord was successful at the Tribunal in relation to two clauses:
* An obligation for the tenant to pay the landlord's land tax; and
* A ratchet on the market rent review (minimum increase of 4%).
These clauses are prohibited by the Retail Leases Act. But when the RLA ceased to apply, the clauses sprang back into life.
Later in the lease, the landlord failed to provide an estimate of outgoings, meaning that occupancy costs (as per the definition in the RLA) went below $1,000,000 again. The tenant argued that the lease then became subject to the RLA. The Tribunal found that it was possible for a lease to start subject to the RLA, then jump out (as it did here) and later jump back in again, however the Tribunal disagreed with how the tenant has calculated occupancy costs. So the lease did not jump back in.
The Tribunal ordered that the tenant was required to pay the landlord's land tax and that the ratchet in the market review, providing for a minimum 4% increase was valid.
Appeal
Richmond appealed the decision of the Tribunal to the Victorian Supreme Court. Two questions were relevant on the appeal:
1. Can a lease jump out from being under the RLA?
Justice Croft in the Victorian Supreme Court found that if a lease was for retail premises (and hence subject to the Retail Leases Act) when it is entered into, then it will remain a lease for retail premises and subject to the RLA for its duration.
The main reason was that in the second reading speech when the RLA was passed by the Victorian Parliament, it was emphasised that "The government considers that the most effective way of minimising retail tenancy disputes is to ensure that the parties have sufficient information to make a sound business decision about entering and renewing a lease."
Justice Croft found that an interpretation of the RLA that enables a lease to jump out of the operation of the RLA mid-term does not achieve that purpose.
The main reason the Tribunal initially found that a lease could jump out, was because of the word 'only' in section 11(2) of the RLA:
"Except as provided by Part 10 (Dispute Resolution), this Act only applies to a lease of premises if the premises are retail premises (as defined in section 4) at the time the lease is entered into or renewed." (emphasis added)
The Tribunal found that the word 'only' permitted leases to start as subject to the RLA and jump out; but prohibited lease from starting outside the RLA and jumping in. The Tribunal thought that if the word did not import that meaning to the subsection, then there was no meaning imported by the use of that word.
The Supreme Court disagreed. The Supreme Court found that the word 'only' emphasised that the matters specified in subsection 2 were the only matters to consider. With this aspect of the Tribunal's decision set aside, the Supreme Court was able to look and focus on the intention of the legislation as described in the second reading speech.
2. Does an estimate of outgoings need to be given to the tenant in order for occupancy costs to cause the lease to jump out (or remain out) of the RLA?
A lease will not be subject to the Retail Leases Act if the occupancy costs are greater than $1,000,000 per annum. Occupancy costs are defined as the sum of the rent and the outgoings as estimated by the Landlord.
The Tribunal found that the outgoings estimated each year would determine the occupancy costs for that year, and hence whether the RLA applied for that year. The Supreme Court found that the occupancy costs estimated for the first year, along with the rent, would determine whether the RLA applied for the whole term of the lease.
Findings
Richmond won the appeal. They were not required to pay the landlord's land tax, and the market rent review could not include the ratchet provision.
The effect of this case is that (for now) a lease that is subject to the RLA in its first year will remain subject to the RLA for the whole term. Further, it seems, that the rent and outgoings to consider for the purpose of section 4(2)(a) are the rent and outgoings for the first year. Provided they are less than $1,000,000 in the first year, the lease may be retail premises, even if the rent increases above $1,000,000 during the term of the lease. (However, this point is not entirely clear in the judgement.)
The facts of the case were that while the occupancy costs rose above $1,000,000 during the term of the lease, the rent remained below $1,000,000.
It is not entirely clear whether the case only relates to situations where the occupancy costs rise (or fall) as a result of outgoings (that are not known when the lease is entered into), or whether the case also applies to situations where it is known that the rent will rise above $1,000,000 during the term.
https://www.mondaq.com/australia/landlord-tenant--leases/914704/retail-lease-act-richmond-football-club-ltd-v-verraty-pty-ltd-2019-vsc-597